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Talk:Black Hawk Down

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== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, correctness is a virtue. Good on you for doing it. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:39, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I remember that passage. Thanks for the quote. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE'''''

:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

::::::Those of you who were saying he was denying the enemy are correct. You'll notice that he doesn't pocket the magazine. He tosses it away. He didn't field strip it because he likely didn't know how. So the easiest thing to do would be to unload it and throw the magazine away. I was in the military and we were trained to be observant and look for things that would compromise security (like unsecured enemy weapons). One thing you never do is use ammo you find lying around on the street, and in any case, M14Fanboy was right in that the calibers of the US weapons were totally incompatible with the Soviet rounds. Smashing the rifle would have taken time and energy that needed to be spent elsewhere. Besides, it's a rifle...not an airsoft gun. Have you ever tried to smash a real AK? There's a reason it's been in service for so many years... [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 01:52, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

::Which is funny, because when Griz is drawing in the barracks and Busch walks up behind him, he calls him "Griz." But not "all" Delta had their names changed. Norm Hooten was really there, but for the movie they combined him with John Macejunas. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:04, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.

== 870 Remington Shotgun. ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not Piven. Maybe he's a stand-in or something. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

:::I was in the Army for 9 years, and I wore flight gloves all the time during exercises. I never had a problem with them whatsoever. I was a SAW gunner as well. Whoever posted that caption about trained operators not wearing gloves is an idiot. [[User:Cozmo|Cozmo]] 02:14, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe so, but it would have only been within a couple years of the M4s debut (the Colt 727 comes to mind). Another reason would be marketing, people will pay more for a milspec carbine that has the "M203 step barrel" so companies market the rifles as having "M4 profile barrels".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Is this the only film to have someone shooting an M16 on burst-fire mode? ==

I would kinda doubt it, but it's the only time I've ever seen it. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 06:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

You referring to when Daniel Busch is sliding out from under the Walcott bird? That's the only time I remember. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 07:51, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

He's referring to a point where one of the Rangers kills an approaching Somali with a three round burst from his M-16A2. Sgt. Busch is using an M727 and fires quick single shots to kill the miltia approaching the Blackhawk. [[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 08:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can remember any burst stuff, I'll re-watch it after work. And I'm very aware Busch had a 727. I wonder why Gary Gordons rifle wasn't on burst in the movie, it was in real life. [[User:Thursday|Thursday]] 15:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to the part near the end when the rangers are running out of the city and one of them guns down a woman who picks up a rifle. As for burst mode: most likely the M16 in question was a full auto weapon (as virtually all of them in Hollywood are) and the actor simply fired a couple of short bursts (possibly with some editing done by the sound and special effects teams) to make in appear as though he was using burst mode.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== RPG Shooting ==

I was just looking through the section regarding the RPGs, and noticed something peculiar. Look at the shooter in the first picture. Now look at the guy in the second. Now back at the first. Is it just me, or are the two guys shooting down the two different helicopters from two different places actually the ''exact same guy''? Notice the matching folds in their clothing, and the cloth wrapped around their heads, and their silhouettes. They're all identical. Anyone else see what I'm seeing? [[User:August.allocco|August.allocco]] 18:20, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

== M16A2 ==

I think The M16A2's in the film are actual real ones. the lower reciever is that of an actual A2, and they fire in two modes only, Semi and 3 round burst.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Question==

Why was Gordon's 727 suppressed? In the book, it says that he was providing sniper cover from the air until he landed to defend the downed Black Hawk, but wouldn't it make more sense to fire unsuppressed. I mean, why would he worry about making too much noise when theres a battle going on? And wouldn't this decrease the muzzle velocity, surely that would make sniping from the air much harder.

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[[Image:Terminator_2_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)'']]
''Terminator 2: Judgment Day'' is the 1991 sequel to ''[[The Terminator]]''. Also directed by James Cameron, the science fiction action blockbuster once again stars [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as the iconic character, this time sent back to present day to protect the future leader of the Resistance from a new and more terrifying Terminator. Schwarzenegger would return in a starring role as the Terminator in a second sequel, 2003's ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' and would also have a cameo via CGI in 2009's ''[[Terminator Salvation]]''.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'':'''

'''See the [[Talk:Terminator 2: Judgment Day|Discussion]] section for some interesting and detailed non gun-related trivia on the film.'''
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==Winchester 1887==
Upon arriving in the present (believed to be 1995 in the film), the Terminator Model T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) enters a biker bar and takes the clothes and firearm off a biker. As he prepares to leave on the biker's Harley Fatboy, the T-800 is confronted by the bar owner, who fires a warning shot from his sawed-off [[Winchester Model 1887|Winchester 1887]]. The Terminator coolly walks over and snatches the gun from his hand.

Three versions of the gun were used during filming. The first was the iconic "Rosebox Shotgun" with a sawed off barrel and stock and the trigger guard cut out. This is the gun seen through most of the film. The second version had a large lever loop so the gun could be flip cocked one-handed while riding a motorcycle (similar to the actions seen in ''[[True Grit]]'' and ''[[The Rifleman]]''). James Cameron says in the commentary how Arnold accidentally picked up the wrong shotgun and tried to flip cock it and nearly broke three fingers. The third gun was the rubber prop gun for stunt work. The Terminator keeps the gun as his main weapon for a good portion of the film until he comes upon Sarah Connor's ([[Linda Hamilton]]) armory, where more superior weapons are at his disposal.

Since Winchester had stopped producing the Winchester 1887 shotgun before the film, the armorers had to find pristine condition guns which were no longer in production! The guns in the film are indeed genuine Winchester shotguns and not a foreign copy such as the Norinco YL1887L (which wasn't released until 2002) or any of the Aldo Uberti copies (they weren't producing an 1887 shotgun at the time). The report of the shotgun is said to be two cannons firing at once.
[[Image:M1887 Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Replica of the Winchester Model 1887 with sawn-off stock, barrel, and cutaway trigger guard with standard lever loop, known as the "Rosebox Shotgun" - 10 Gauge.]]
[[Image:Win1887shotgunT2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The sawed-off Winchester 1887 with large-lever loop used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as The Terminator - 10 Gauge. Note the metal plate on the lever for better handling during flip-cocking.]]
[[Image:T2heroShotgun1.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Another angle of the sawed-off large-lever loop Winchester 1887 used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] in the movie. This is the one on the right in the picture below.]]
[[Image:ShotgunsT2props.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The three prop Winchester 1887 shotguns used in the film. The one on the left is the "Rosebox Shotgun", the one in the center is the rubber stunt prop, and the one to the right is the large lever loop shotgun for one-handed flip cocking - 10 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bar owner points his Winchester 1887 shotgun at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes the shotgun from the bar owner.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator comes to save John Connor ([[Edward Furlong]]).]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes down the T-1000 with seven shots from his Winchester 1887 shotgun. Note how this shell hits him right in the face. Since this film was back in the good old days when you could tell a shotgun shell by its color, these rounds are clearly slugs.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator flip cocks his Winchester 1887.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his Winchester 1887 shotgun at the T-1000 as he pursues John with a Mac truck.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his 1887 shotgun at the lock on a chain-link fence.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots out the tire of the Mac truck with his 1887 shotgun. That's quite an impressive muzzle diameter!]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his shotgun after the Mac truck blows up (which in reality wouldn't happen like that with Diesel fuel).]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots the T-1000 in the mental hospital. Note how the Stan Winston prop is already falling apart before it is shot.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator with his 1887 shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John reloads the Terminator's shotgun in the backseat of a stolen police cruiser.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John gives the Terminator back his shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots the T-1000 off the back of their car.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator points his 1887 shotgun at Enrique ([[Castulo Guerra]]).]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-17special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Director James Cameron fires the large lever 1887 shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-18special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"The Rifleman would be proud."]]

==Beretta 92FS==
When the T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) first enters the present, he kills an LAPD officer and takes his uniform and his standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]]. He is seen using this gun to shoot at John Connor ([[Edward Furlong]]) before losing it in the struggle with the T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]). LAPD officers outside of the Cyberdyne building are also seen with their issued Berettas. Two kids outside the desert gas station can be seen playing with a pair of toy Berettas as well.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) checks the chamber on the officer's Beretta 92FS. When he releases the slide, the sound of a slide racking back and forth is heard.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 readies his Beretta 92FS at the sight of John.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his Beretta 92FS. [[Robert Patrick]] does an excellent job of not flinching in the film and thoroughly convinces the viewers that he is an emotionless killer and not some wimpy actor who's touching a gun for the first time. The odd thing is that, when fired, his pistol sounds like it's silenced, even though it's obviously not.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Despite inaccurately firing about 21 shots from a 15 shot magazine, the T-1000 does an excellent reload, grabbing a fresh magazine while dropping out the empty one at the same time.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two kids in the desert fight with two toy Berettas.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers outside of Cyberdyne with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two SWAT officers armed with Berettas try to take down the T-800.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Beretta at the Terminator. This is definitely not the stance of a well trained officer. In his defence, he was about to turn and run.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-9special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Behind the scenes footage shows [[Robert Patrick]] firing a full-auto Beretta 92FS blank gun as instructor Uzi Gal looks on.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-10special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Robert Patrick]] fires the full-auto Beretta.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
Guards in the Cyberdyne lobby keep [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] pistols as their sidearms.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah pulls a Beretta 92FS Inox out of the guard's holster.]]
[[Image:T2JDBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard draws his Beretta Inox when he finds his partner tied up in the bathroom. ETA: That's actually an old school taurus PT92 stainless.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
The T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) takes a [[Browning Hi-Power|Browning Hi-Power Mklll]] off Lewis, the guard he kills in the mental hospital and uses it to shoot at Sarah, John, and the Terminator before discarding it when it runs dry.
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power Mk III - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in the form of Lewis the guard checks the chamber on his Browning Hi-Power.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 materializes through the bars but forgets the gun is not like him, and gets stuck.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pulls the Browning Hi-Power through the bars.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHI-Power-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues the group as the T-800 fires his shotgun at him.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his Browning Hi-Power at the T-800. He fires about 23 shots from a 13 round magazine before throwing it away. Note how he is wearing a "liquid metal squib", a flower like piece of foil created by Stan Winston to open up like a gunshot wound.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah removes the slugs from the T-800. These look pretty authentic, they even have rifling marks on the rounds.]]
These slugs are real, James Cameron himself fired a Browning Hi-Power at some kind of plate steel to get the 'smushed' effect.

==MM1 grenade launcher==

An [[MM1 grenade launcher]] is used by one of the SWAT officers inside the Cyberdyne building to fire gas canister grenades at Sarah, John and, the T-800. It is then picked up by the T-800 after incapacitating the officer using it and then used by him to fire CS grenades around the police blockade.
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MM1 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires the MM1 launcher at Sarah, John, and the T-800.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator picks up the MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the MM1 at the SWAT officers.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|That looks like it hurts.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks out of Cyberdyne with his MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires CS canisters at the police with the MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Do gas canisters usually produce such large muzzle flashes?]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his MM1.]]

==Colt Commando CAR-15 Variants==
Sarah is seen using a [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbine (in reality a Colt Sporter II carbine chopped down and mocked up as a Colt 629) out of the armory from the Mojave desert to attempt to assassinate Miles Dyson ([[Joe Morton]]) when she learns he started the project which lead to the machines being built. She removes the flash hider and adds a sound suppressor, along with a laser pointer and an ACOG scope. Later in the film during the scene in which Sarah, John, and the T-800 try to escape in a SWAT van as the T-1000 pursues in a police chopper, Sarah uses two CAR-15 rifles, one a mock Sporter II the other a slab-side AR-15 Sporter 1 carbine converted to look like a CAR-15 as well (like the guns in ''[[The Dogs of War]]''). The last instance a CAR-15 is used is when the Terminator takes a Mock Sporter II and climbs onto the front of the liquid nitrogen truck the T-1000 is driving and fires it through the windshield. James Cameron commented how foolish this stunt was because it was done exactly as it is seen in the film, from a moving truck with no wires attached.
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt AR-15 Sporter 1 Carbine mocked up as CAR-15 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt CAR-15 Commandos are seen in the desert armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah pulls back the charging hand on a mock Colt Sporter II.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah goes out to kill Dyson.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah removes the flash hider and replaces it with a suppressor.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah chambers her CAR-15. Here the gun appears to have an SP1 lower receiver as evident by the lack of a magazine fencing.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah aims her CAR-15 at Dyson. In reality, using a laser pointer on a sniper rifle is tactically unsound. The reason for this was to show the red dot pointed at Dyson's head, much like she had one pointed at her own head in the first film.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah squeezes the trigger on her CAR-15.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After missing Dyson because he ducked down, she begins to fire full auto]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah reloads her CAR-15, which now has a magazine fencing again. It appears she is reloading with an empty magazine.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah continues to fire her CAR-15 at Dyson.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads up two CAR-15s while in the back of the SWAT van.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires a slab-side Sporter I carbine with an SP1 lower receiver at the T-1000. Note lack of magazine fencing.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her slab-side CAR-15.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah then switches to a Sporter II when her slab-side runs out.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Strangely, the gun switches back to a slab-side when Sarah gets wounded.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 takes a Sporter II off the dash board to shoot the T-1000 with.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This scene shows quite a dangerous stunt as stuntman Peter Kent climbs off one truck to another, no strings attached as the trucks are speeding down the road.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Sporter II at the T-1000 through the windshield.]]

==Detonics Custom 1911==

Sarah Connor ([[Linda Hamilton]]) retrieves a [[M1911#Detonics ServiceMaster|Detonics 1911]] custom gun from the armory in the Mohave desert and takes it with her on her mission to kill Miles Dyson ([[Joe Morton]]). Sarah manages to wound him with the gun before she realizes what she is doing and stops. The gun was custom built for the movie by Detonics off of their ServiceMaster model and features their signature forward mounted rear sight and a long slide. She later uses it to keep a SWAT team at bay during a shootout at the Cyberdyne building.According to biggerhammer.net, the gun was a Scoremaster frame with a Combatmaster slide and a comp'd barrel to make it look like a longslide as confirmed by a former Detonics employee. The same gun can be seen in ''[[Runaway]]'' with [[Tom Selleck]].

[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Detonics 1911 used in the movie. Image courtesy of ScreenUsed.com]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her Custom Detonics 1911 at the Dyson family. She shows us an excellent high grip here.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note forward mounted rear sight.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her Detonics 1911 at Dyson.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dyson stares down the barrel of Sarah's 1911.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah squeezes the trigger on her Detonics 1911.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah disarms the lobby guard at Cyberdyne with her 1911 in hand.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes cover as the Terminator blows open a door.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes cover from the SWAT team as they fire on her.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her 1911 into the air to keep the SWAT team down. If you listen closely, you can see that the last round she fires doesn't make a sound.]]

==Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid==
When the Terminator ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) first arrives in the present, he enters a biker bar and asks The Cigar Smoking Biker ([[Robert Winley]]) to give him his clothes, his boots, and his motorcycle. After a fight breaks out, the Terminator throws the biker on a stove's hot burners and burns him badly. He then tries to draw his custom [[M1911A1#Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid|Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid ]] pistol built with a Colt Series 70 slide, a Detonics frame, an ambidextrous safety, with Pachmayr grips, and chambered in 9mm (because .45s don't cycle well as blanks) but is unable to chamber it and has the gun taken from him. Later when John and the T-800 break Sarah out of the mental hospital, she takes the M1911A1 and fires it at the T-1000 and keeps it as her sidearm until she retrieves her custom Detonics 1911. During the shootout at Cyberdyne, the T-800 uses the M1911A1 to wound all of the SWAT officers in the lobby before the gun goes empty and he tosses it away. Even though he is never seen picking it back up, he somehow has it tucked in his pants and ready to shoot the T-1000, frozen in liquid nitrogen, at the end of the film. In all scenes but one, the pistol is reloaded after every 8 rounds fired.

[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Coltserie709mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Scan from the DVD extras showing the custom built Series 70 Colt/Detonics M1911A1 that was used in the film.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Biker tries to chamber his Colt/Detonics M1911A1, but his hands are too burnt to do it. A smart man keeps his 1911 "Condition One", chambered, hammer cocked, with the safety on. This "cocked and locked" method of carry, however, is not recommended to anyone who hasn't been properly trained to do so.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator pulls the slide back on the "Coltonics" M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator releases the slide.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Despite chambering the gun earlier, the Terminator still has to chamber the M1911A1 when he tries to kill Jock #2 ([[Gerard G. Williams]]) before John intervenes. Also note the tapered barrel, confirming that the frame is a 9mm converted Colt Series 70 M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When John tells the Terminator to put the gun down, he takes it literally and puts it on the ground.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes the M1911A1 and fires it at the T-1000 on the roof of the elevator. During this scene, Linda Hamilton didn't put her earplugs in properly and suffered permanent hearing damage. This is no surprise since shooting a gun in an elevator leaves no place for the sound to dissipate except right into the shooter's ears.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah orders an officer to get out of his cruiser. Note how the safety is on yet seconds later she fires a shot into his windshield.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah awaits a fresh magazine from John.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her M1911A1 at the T-1000 as he pursues their car.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah keeps the M1911A1 tucked in her pants. Unlike the biker, she ''is'' smart enough to keep the gun "Condition One".]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her M1911A1 at Enrique.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator points the M1911A1 at the Cyberdyne lobby guard.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator wounds the SWAT officers in the lobby with the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He then tosses the empty gun to the ground. Keep in mind, NO ONE PICKS IT BACK UP. How does he still have it in the steel mill then? Continuity error.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby." Terminator prepares to fire the "Coltonics" M1911A1 Series 70. ("Coltonics" is a slang for the use of Colt and Detonics pistols to build the custom handgun he uses, it is not an industry accepted term.)]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his M1911A1 into the T-1000, shattering him into pieces after he is frozen in liquid nitrogen.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his M1911A1 and his M79 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator searches for the T-1000.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-19special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Uzi Gal teaches Linda Hamilton how to fire an M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-20special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda fires the M1911A1.]]

==M1911A1==
The gate guard at the mental hospital tries to draw an [[M1911A1#M1911A1|M1911A1]] with a nickel finish and pearl grips before he is shot in both kneecaps by the T-800. He then takes three magazines off of him, which are clearly loaded with .45 ACP rounds. This would make them useless in his 9mm M1911A1 but the viewer isn't supposed to know his gun is a 9mm.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:T2JDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard drops his M1911A1 when he is shot by the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes three mags off the guard, which are loaded with .45 ACP hollow points. In reality, his 9mm gun would not accept these. Also note how only four rounds are loaded in each mag to conserve dummy rounds (you can only see brass in two of the five holes, meaning there is only four rounds in each).]]

==M79 grenade launcher==
The T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) takes an [[M79 grenade launcher]] from Sarah's arsenal in the Mojave desert. During the assault on the Cyberdyne building, the T-800 uses the M79 grenade launcher, first to blast open a locked door, then to destroy several of the police cars assembled outside, then during the ensuing car chase when the T-1000 persues the protagonists in a comandeered tanker truck, the Terminator scoring a direct hit on the engine with the M79, though the truck miraculously continues running. He also tries to use it on the T-1000 during the fight in the steel mill, eventually using it to knock the T-1000 into the pit of molten steel. By this point, part of the launcher's stock has been shattered during the fight, but enough remains for the weapon to be usable. In reality, 40mm HE rounds have a safety mechanism in which they will not detonate until they have flown a certain distance. The more modern types arm after at least 14m. Earlier types, such as the M381, have a 2-3m arming range. However, in the film, rounds detonate as little as 3-5 '''feet''' from the user. The M79 presents a nightmare of continuity problems. The bandolier varies both in quantity of grenades and arrangement of remaining grenades as the movie heads toward its climax. At the end of the day the bandolier started with 11 rounds which somehow translated to firing 7 before running out of ammo.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator inspects the bore on an M79 grenade launcher in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Here, let me try mine."]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots a locked door with the M79 grenade launcher from a ridiculously close distance. In the DVD commentary, James Cameron mentions that his brother (who was a Marine) later told him that the range wasn't far enough for the grenade to arm itself.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the M79 at the police cruisers outside Cyberdyne.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator reloads his M79.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Termintator fires the M79 at the liquid nitrogen truck the T-1000 is driving. If a .44 Magnum can wreck a truck engine like this, a 40mm grenade would certainly stop it from running.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to reload the M79 but drops the 40mm round when the T-1000 rams their pickup truck.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his M79 as he searches for the T-1000 in the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the M79 seconds before the T-1000 knocks it out of his hands and shatters the stock. Note how this is rubber prop since the gun is about to be thrown across the room.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to reach for the damaged M79 before the T-1000 spears him with a metal rod, damaging his main power source.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator rides a cog until he has a clear shot at the T-1000. When the 40mm round hits him, its detonation is delayed for some reason. When the round goes off, he is blown up and falls into the molten steel behind him.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator with the M79.]]

==Handheld GE M134 Minigun==
In one of the more notable scenes of the film, the T-800 engages the police assembled outside the Cyberdyne building with a handheld [[GE M134 Minigun]] destroying the police cars while leaving the police themselves unharmed. Originally the Terminator was going to use a [[MAC-10]] to shoot at the police but James Cameron decided to revisit the gun used in ''[[Predator]]''. The gun in T2 used the same custom Y-frame as in Predator with some modifications. The modified M60 foregrip assembly was removed in its entirety. To replace it a "chainsaw" grip was mounted on the Y-frame and the M16-style carry handle was removed. This style of carry has become the "standard" for handheld Miniguns in movies and video games. The Y-frame still attaches to the weapons mounting lugs, though with no carry handle the weapon lost its sling attachment point forcing Arnold to carry all the weight of the weapon in his hands. In order to fire it, the Terminator carries a duffel bag full of ammo and possibly the batteries as well, as there are some shots that show what appear to be cables leading from the gun and into the duffel bag. It is also possible that the duffel bag was simply used to hide the fact that the cables trailed off set to the power supply and gun control unit.

[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Handheld Airsoft M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip.' Note the small half circle ring running from the recoil absorbers and along the bottom of the weapon. This is where the M60 foregrip assemply attached to the weapon in Predator. In T2 this part of the assembly was completely removed in favor of the chainsaw grip making it extraneous on these Airsoft weapons.]]
[[Image:Minigunbloomautomatic.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The actual GE Minigun used in T2 and Predator. Signed "Harry Lu T-2 1990" on the front grip, since Harry Lu was the Weapons Master for the film.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator unveils the handheld Minigun in the desert armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unlike the M60 foregrip on the Minigun in Predator, a chainsaw grip is used on the gun. In order to attach the chainsaw grip, the carrying handle/sling attachment point from the Predator gun had to be removed. It is still evident in the T2 gun where the old carry handle used to attach to the hand grip carriage. The small T-grip is not a pull starter like some mistakenly believe but a bolt handle holding the gun to the handgrip frame.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator smirks as he picks up the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun at the police cruisers.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This Minigun has a relatively slow rate of fire (you can see the barrels rotate). According to the ad when it was sold when Stembridge went under the rate of fire was geared at 1,250 rounds per minute.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Few handheld weapons can chop a car roof clean off!]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Minigun runs dry.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator drops the Minigun. Myth has it that Arnold drops the actual gun under protest from the film's armorer. In reality, this is obviously a stand in prop for the real gun. Notice that the nub is missing from where the Predator carry-handle was machined off and the rear portion of the Y-frame looks different from the actual gun pictured at the top of this section. The finish on the Minigun in this scene looks different from than that of the actual gun.]]
[[Image:Z63.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This is a rubber prop Minigun used in Terminator 2. The handhold assembly is the same as in the above screenshot, which is different than the live firing weapon. However, the gun body is significantly different from the prop in the above shot, making it unlikely this prop was the one that Arnold dropped. Given the lack of quality, it was probably only used in wide shots or in the scenes where Arnold carries it inside the duffel bag and only the muzzle is protruding.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-12special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Director James Cameron fires the Handheld Minigun. Note that the weapon is pre-T2 configuration. It still has the carry handle and the M60 foregrip assembly. Cameron is holding it by the carry handle similar to how the Terminator holds it by the chainsaw grip in the film.]]

==GE M134 Minigun==

A [[GE M134 Minigun]] is mounted on the back of a truck in the future battle scene. A soldier next to the future John Connor ([[Michael Edwards]]) is also seen manning a Minigun. This is not the same Minigun as the handheld one, as some believe.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|450px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier fires a GE M134 Minigun at a Hunter-Killer.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The resistance soldier fires a Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier next to John Connor mans a Minigun.]]

==Franchi SPAS 15==
A future resistance soldier is seen firing a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] during the future battle scene.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier readies his Franchi SPAS-15.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier fires his Franchi SPAS-15.]]

==FIM-92A Stinger==
A future resistance fighter on the back of a truck takes out a Hunter-Killer with an [[FIM-92A Stinger]] missile launcher.
[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FIM-92A Stinger 70mm]]
[[Image:T2JDFIM-92Stinger-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires an FIM-92A Stinger at an H-K.]]
[[Image:T2JDFIM-92Stinger-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires an FIM-92A Stinger at an H-K.]]

==General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma Gun==
The heavy future [[General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma Gun]] from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] film returns very briefly and is seen used to blow up a machine. It looks like it is built from a British Vickers gun (As a toggle lock is seen at one point in T1) or the Colt variant of the Browning M1917 machine gun hence the spade grips.
[[Image:T2JDGDRSB-80-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires as General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma gun.]]

==Ithaca 37==
[[Ithaca 37]] shotguns can be seen used by some of the police officers outside the Cyberdyne building.
[[Image:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ithaca 37 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer readies his Ithaca 37.]]

==Remington 870==
Police outside the Cyberdyne building are seen with a couple of [[Remington 870]] shotguns.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer aims his Remington 870.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer aims his Remington 870.]]

==Remington 870 Police Combat with Folding Stock==
Near the end of the film, Sarah Connor engages the T-1000 using a [[Remington 870#Remington 870 Folding Stock|Remington 870 Police Combat with Folding Stock]] she took from a SWAT van, outfitted with a high-capacity magazine tube and a spare shotshell holder on the stock, each shot knocking her opponent progressively closer to the pit of molten steel in the mill, until running out of ammo, frustratingly close to knocking the T-1000 into the pit. One of the police officers outside Cyberdyne is also seen using one.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Folding Stock with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer takes cover from the Minigun barrage with a Remington 870 Police Combat folder in hand.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes one of the two Remington 870 folders out of the SWAT van.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads a slug into her Remington 870 folder as the T-1000 approaches.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 with the 870 folder. This is kind of an awkward way to hold it, but she had to quickly chamber a shell and fire as the T-1000 was approaching.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah tries to load another round into her 870 but the T-1000 stops her.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks up the 870 after the T-1000 starts to fight with the T-800 instead.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads some slugs into her 870.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 when he tries to imitate her to lure John to him. Linda Hamilton's twin sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren played this role.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her 870. This is blank flame.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun clicks empty with the T-1000 just feet from the ledge.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-12special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton fires a Remington 870 folder.]]

==Heckler & Koch SP89 (mocked up as MP5K)==

While fleeing from the Cyberdyne building, the Connors and the T-800 find themselves being pursued by the T-1000 piloting a stolen police helicopter and brandishing an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch SP89|Heckler & Koch SP89]], mocked up as an MP5K by adding an MP5K foregrip and converting it to full auto. A SWAT officer can also be seen using one. They are recognized as SP89s by their lack of a paddle magazine release behind the magazine and the lack of a push pin lower receiver.
[[Image:H&K-MP5KEarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch SP89 - 9mm. Note the lack of a paddle magazine release and a push pin lower reciever.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Heckler & Koch SP89 mocked up as an MP5K at Sarah Connor.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 with an SP89.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89 through the hole in the helicopter windshield. A pilot needs to use both hands to fly a helicopter but this isn't a problem for the T-1000, since he just grows two more arms to drive with.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 reloads his SP89 as his spare arms drive.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89 at the SWAT van the Connors and the T-800 are escaping in.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-8special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick tries out a real MP5K. The video is too low quality but this too appears to be an SP89, although it is a live fire version, not a blank gun.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2/A3 (chopped and converted)==
The SWAT teams that assaults Cyberdyne are mainly armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s with the 16" barrels chopped down and converted to full auto to resemble MP5A3s. The most notable ways to tell are the lack of the 3 barrel lugs, the lack of a paddle magazine release, and the lack of a push pin lower reciever. Some of these guns are the collapsing stock HK94A3s while others are the full stock HK94A2s.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch HK94A2 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A2 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his chopped and converted HK94A3 at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their chopped and converted HK94A3s.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT team breaches the Cyberdyne building armed with HK94s (the leader has a full stock model HK94A2). James Cameron said in the commentary that of the SWAT officers, all but one were real SWAT guys. It can be assumed that it is the guy with his gun pointed at the leader.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SWAT leader with his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his HK94A3 at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Three HK94A2s are seen in the SWAT van.]]

==Browning M2HB==

Among the weapons seen in the hidden weapons cache in the Mojave Desert is a [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:T2JDM2HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator unveils a Browning M2HB in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM2HB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M2HB in the armory.]]

==Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle==
The fictional [[Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle]] is seen being used by the endoskeleton Terminators in the future scenes of the film. This weapon was built on the [[Calico Series of Rifles and Pistols|Calico M960]] 9mm submachine gun. These walking endoskeletons are among the most famous of Stan Winston's animatronics, right up there with the T-rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' and the Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.
[[Image:M95A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle]]
[[Image:Calico960a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Calico M960 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator armed with a Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma rifle.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A human resistance soldier fires a captured Westinghouse M95A1 in the background.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator fires a Westinghouse M95A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator fires a pair of Westinghouse M95A1s.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator wields two Westinghouses akimbo style.]]

==Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup==
Human Resistance fighters during the Future War scenes are armed with [[Ruger Mini-14]] rifles fitted into Muzzelite bullpup stocks with scopes.
[[Image:RugerMuzzelite.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance squad leader is seen holding a Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires a Muzzelite MZ14.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier salutes the future John Connor with a Muzzelite MZ14 in hand.]]

==Mossberg 590==
Enrique ([[Castulo Guerra]]) is seen using a [[Mossberg_500#Mossberg_590|Mossberg 590]] shotgun when Sarah, John, and the Terminator arrive at his home in the Mojave desert. Later on, a SWAT officer is seen firing a 590 at the SWAT van Sarah, John, and The Terminator use to escape from Cyberdyne in.
[[Image:Mossberg590.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossberg 590 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique jumps out with his Mossberg 590 at the ready.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique with his Mossberg 590.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique with his Mossberg 590.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Mossberg 590 at the SWAT van.]]

==AKM==
When going through the armory in the desert, John checks the chambers on several [[AK-47|AKM]] rifles (extended edition only). Sarah can also be seen carrying one briefly.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKK - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKM rifles are seen on the armory wall.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John checks the chamber on an AKM rifle in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah places an AKM on the table.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John passes the Terminator an AKM as they load their car up with weaponry.]]

==M16A1==
A number of [[M16 rifle series|M16A1]] rifles can be seen on the armory wall.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 20 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1s are seen in the armory furthest on the rack.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1s are seen on the armory wall.]]

==MAC-10==
John picks a [[MAC-10]] submachine gun while the Terminator examines the M79.

''Trivia: In the screenplay, the MAC-10 was supposed to be the weapon that the Terminator used during the shootout at the Cyberdyne Building, before James Cameron decided that the Terminator should use the handheld Minigun instead.''

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:T2JDMAC-10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John picks up a MAC-10 while the Terminator examines the M79.]]

==M60 machine gun==
Three [[M60 machine gun]]s can be seen inside the Mojave desert armory.
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John pulls the cover off the wall to reveal M60 machine guns.]]

==M72 LAW==
A group of [[M72 LAW]] launchers can be seen when John and the Terminator first enter the armory.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM72LAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cluster of M72 LAWs seen right when they first enter the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM72LAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the M72 LAWs.]]

==Winchester 1300==
[[Winchester Model 1300|Winchester 1300]] shotguns with extended magazine tubes are seen in the Mojave Desert armory. The Terminator is seen carrying a few out.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Defender.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winchester 1300 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1300 shotguns are seen on the armory wall.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1300-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator picks up a Winchester 1300.]]

==Armalite AR-18==
When the doctors at the mental hospital show Sarah pictures of the Terminator from surveillance cameras in the police station during 1984 (keep in mind that security cameras weren't installed in police stations at this time), the Terminator is seen wielding the two guns we saw him use in the first film. In his right hand, he is holding an [[Armalite AR-18]].
[[Image:Terminator-AR18.png|thumb|none|500px|The Armalite AR-18 used in the first film.]]
[[Image:T2JDAR-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator from the first film wields what is assumed to be an AR-18 in his right hand (to stay accurate to the first film).]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==
Also seen used by the Terminator from the first film in the surveillance footage is a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] shotgun in his left hand.
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator from the first film wields a Franchi SPAS-12.]]

=See Also=

'''Terminator Series'''

* ''[[Terminator, The]]''
* ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''
* ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''
* ''[[Terminator Salvation]]''

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24 - Season 4

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'''The following weapons were used in Season 4 of ''[[24]]'':'''

[[Image:24Season4.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Season 4 (2005)]]

===Heckler & Koch USP Compact===
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|Heckler & Koch USP Compact]], chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum, throughout episodes 5-24
of Season 4, in both sound suppressed and unsuppressed form.

''TRIVIA: There were only two H&K USP Compacts used by Kiefer Sutherland through the entire run of the series. This was because Kiefer is a method actor and did not like to change props. He only wore 3 real kevlar bullet proof vests through out all 8 seasons. '''(IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun.)'''''

[[Image:IMFDB 22 Jack Bauer Live Firing HK USP Compact.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing Heckler & Koch USP Compact. This weapon is verified as screen used from the series '''24.''' The gun was used in numerous scenes throughout Seasons 3 through 8 of the series. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-223357.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''personified''- Jack fires his suppressed [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] at a terrorist during Secretary Heller's rescue in episode 6. (Note: There is no kick in the slide which probably means he is using blank ammunition.)]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-216881.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Death ''about'' to be personified. Jack loads up his suppressed [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-198597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack reassembles his equipment including his [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] in episode 5. ]]

===SIG Pro SP 2009===
Head of Field Ops Ronnie Lobell ([[Shawn Doyle]]) uses the [[SIG Pro#SP 2009|SIG Pro SP 2009]]. After he is killed in episode 2. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses this weapon when staging a robbery in episode 3, and when he rescues Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) (At the end of episode 5). Also used by Secretary of Defense Heller when covering Jack during the rescue operation in episode 6. Also used by Tony Almeida after he is brought into CTU.
[[Image:Gsg9-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72697.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ronnie aiming his [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2009]] at Jack in episode 2. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82032.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack takes Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2009]] out of his pants in episode 3. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-88579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at the Armored Car Services chart with Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-86739.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack looks at a cell phone while holding people hostage at the "Mercury Mart" in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-235059.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) reloads Ronnies [[SIG Pro#SP 2022|SIG Pro SP 2022]] while covering Jack. ]]

===Heckler & Koch USP (two-tone)===
Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) uses a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] in episodes 1-4.

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kalil Hasan ([[Anil Kumar]]) with his two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|USP]] in episode 1. ]]

===Beretta 92FS===
In the beginning of episode 1, an assassin on a dirt bike derails a train and shoots a briefcase handler with a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] and takes his briefcase in episode 1. Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) uses a suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] when killing all of Andrew Paiges ([[Lukas Haas]]) co-workers in episode 1. LAPD officers approach Richard Heller ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) with their standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 2. Several assassins use suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS's]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7. Also some suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS's]] are captured and used by Jack when he's low on ammo in episode 7.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55114.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dar shoots the briefcase handler with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-56763.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) aiming his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] at Melanie ([[Brittany Ishibashi]]) in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-57858.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abdul Manesh ([[Matt Gallini]]) looks for Andrew with his suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-65726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LAPD officers look for hostiles at Richard Hellers ([[Logan Marshall-Green]]) house in episode 2. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack check's the ammo on his captured suppressed [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|92FS]] in episode 7. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274199.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack plans to pistol-whip the assassin's when he's out of ammo in episode 7. ]]

===Glock 19===
A CTU agent uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] at a dry cleaning store to capture Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in episode 1. Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) also gets a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] after knocking out a CTU guard in episode 1. Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) also uses a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] when taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage during Heller's rescue in episode 6. Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) uses a suppressed [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] to kill Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) in episode 6.

[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-55648.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A CTU agent holds Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) at gunpoint until Ronnie cuffs him in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-60588.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack Bauer shoots Tomas Sherak ([[Faran Tahir]]) in the leg with a CTU guards [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-240798.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) taking Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) hostage with his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-250372.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq ([[Rene Millan]]) takes his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] out of his bag in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-252685.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tariq's ([[Rene Millan]]) plan backfires and Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) smacks the silencer off of his [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] in episode 6. ]]

===IMI Uzi===
During the kidnapping of Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) two terrorist's with [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi's]] shoot several Secret Service agents trying to get Heller in episode 1. Several [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi's]] are seen at Secretary Hellers Rescue by approximately 5 terrorist in episode 6.

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi 9mm]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-63405.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist shoots Secret Service agents with his [[Uzi#Uzi|IMI Uzi]] in episode 1. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-243154.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine kicking a [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]] away in episode 6. ]]

===Steyr SPP===
A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] (converted to automatic fire) was used in episode 1 by a kidnapper. A [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] is used in episode 6 by a terrorist at Secretary Heller holding location. One of the assassins uses a [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7.

[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-236377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist falls dead with his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] in his hand in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273953.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An assassin shoots his [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]] at Jack and Audrey in episode 7. ]]

===Accuracy International AWP===
Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) uses a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] to kill two terrorists before they kill Andrew Paige ([[Lukas Haas]]) in episode 3. In episode 8, a sniper on a roof shoots Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) in the chest and all that is seen is a straight rifle barrel. It could have been a [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch PSG-1|Heckler & Koch PSG-1]] because of the straight smooth barrel but is very unlikely because of how rare this weapon is seen in movies, so I identified it as a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]].

[[Image:AWP.gif|thumb|none|300px|[[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-78424.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack aims his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79386.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A better shot of Jack aiming his [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] in episode 3. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-286560.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sniper leaves the roof only showing a possible [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWP|Accuracy International AWP]] since it has been used in episode 3, this was filmed in episode 8. ]]

===Smith & Wesson 686===
Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) to clean up his dirty mess by killing his girlfriend Debbie Pendleton ([[Leighton Meester]]) with a 3" stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 686|Smith & Wesson 686]] in episode 4 & 5.
That's not a 686, it appears to be too small and it doesn't have a full length ejector shroud.

[[Image:S&W686Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 686|Smith & Wesson 686]] (6 shot cylinder) 3" Barrel - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180409.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) pulls the drawer out and reveals the [[Smith & Wesson Model 686|Smith & Wesson 686]] with a 3" barrel in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-203318.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dina Araz ([[Shohreh Aghdashloo]]) asks her son desperately to pick up the gun before his father finds out the truth about Debbie's death in episode 5. ]]

===Mossberg 500===
A Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Deputy uses a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] when responding to a hostage situation at the "Mercury Mart" in episode 4.

[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500 .12 gauge]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186027.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at the "Mercury Mart" in episode 4.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-186577.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at the tube indicates it's a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun|Mossberg]] in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-189987.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-190153.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another Sheriff's Department Deputy aims a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 500|Mossberg 500]] at Jack Bauer ([[Kiefer Sutherland]]) in episode 4. ]]

===AKMS===
[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles are seen being wielded by terrorist in episodes 2, 4, and 6 so far. Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) himself kills 2 terrorists with one while trying to escape in episode 4.

[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]], stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-66801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist guards the complex with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 2. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92282.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense Heller ([[William Devane]]) cocks a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 4. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-225634.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist turns a wrong corner with a [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] before being shot by Jack in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-233307.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack firing at terrorist with a underfold [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] in episode 6. ]]

===Smith & Wesson 4506===
Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) was supposed to be executed with a [[Smith & Wesson 4506]] but was interrupted and saved by Jack Bauer doing a rescue operation in episode 6.

[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Smith & Wesson 4506]] .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229384.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Omar ([[Tony Plana]]) gives the [[Smith & Wesson 4506]] to the executor in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-229436.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Secretary of Defense James Heller ([[William Devane]]) about to be executed with a [[Smith & Wesson 4506]] in episode 6. ]]

===M26/M67 Hand Grenade===
Terrorist and Marines throw two types of hand grenades during Heller's rescue in episode 6.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M26 hand grenade|M26]] HE Frag hand grenade]]
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M67 hand grenade|M69]] training grenade - an inert version of the [[M67 hand grenade|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-232468.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist throws a [[M26 hand grenade|M26]] at Jack and Heller in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]

===M4A1 Carbine===
US Marines use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] with Foregrips, M68 reflex sights, AN/PEQ2A Laser Aiming Modules, and Tactical Lights in episode 6. Also, Chloe O'Brian uses the M4A1 to defend herself against one of Marwan's hitmen in episode 19.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|Colt M4A1 Carbine]] with M68 reflex sight, Rail Interface System, and vertical foregrip 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238886.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine with his [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-238954.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A couple Marines breach in a room with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine's]] at the ready in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine covers his buddy throwing a [[M67 hand grenade|M67]] into a room in episode 6. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-239944.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marines taking cover from a [[M67 hand grenade]] with their [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1]].]]
[[Image:24-obrian-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chloe O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle at one of Marwan's henchmen in episode 19.]]
[[Image:24-obrian-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|O'Brian fires the M4A1 rifle with a grimace.]]

===M16A4 Assault Rifle===
Marines can be seen securing the area and shooting terrorist with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle's]] in episode 6.

[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifle]] with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-242790.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine Marksmen shoots a hostage taker of Audrey Raines ([[Kim Raver]]) after being stabbed in the leg by Audrey. And some other Marines with [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 Rifles]] in the background in episode 6. ]]

===Heckler & Koch MP5A2===
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] is another weapon used by the CTU field ops team.
[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2's]] with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlights can be seen in episode 7 at the CTU weapons center when Audrey and Jack are talking.

[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] 9mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-256801.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack and Audrey talk with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2's]] on a gun rack in episode 7. ]]
[[Image:PDVD 0958.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] is seen while Tony talks to agent Castle in episode 9.]]

===Glock 20===
Jack gets a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] from another dead officer and after making a call, he hands it to Audrey telling her to space out her shots and conserve ammunition in episode 7. A closer look at the barrel looks like a 10mm [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]. It's also surprising that Audrey keeps her eyes open the whole time with out blinking.

[[Image:Glock20.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-263570.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack tells Audrey to "Space out your shots and conserve ammunition" with a [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock 20]] in episode 7. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-273980.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Audrey aims her [[Glock#Glock 20|Glock]] in episode 7. ]]

===Heckler & Koch MP5K===
One of the assassins uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K]] during the ambush at Felsted Security in episode 7.
[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5KN]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274160.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274216.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A assassin aims at Jack and Audrey with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|MP5K]] in episode 7. ]]

===Beretta 9000S===
Tony uses a [[Beretta 9000S]] to save Jack and Audrey at Felsted Security in episode 7.

[[Image:Beretta 9000.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 9000S]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-274337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony looks for Jack and Audrey with his [[Beretta 9000S]] at Felsted Security in episode 7. ]]

===Two Tone Beretta 92FS===
Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] to threaten to kill his pilot if he does not fly his helicopter in episode 8.

[[Image:Beretta two tone-1-.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS 9mm]]]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-285030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry Powell ([[Robertson Dean]]) threatens to kill his pilot with his [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-284998.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close shot of Henry's [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS|Two Tone Beretta 92FS]] in episode 8. ]]

===Glock 17===
The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is seen by many CTU teams and terrorists. Navi Araz ([[Nestor Serrano]]) uses a sound suppressed 2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to hunt down his son and wife throughout episodes 8 and 10. Behrooz Araz ([[Jonathan Ahdout]]) gets a hold of the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] and kills his father in episode 10. Curtis Manning ([[Roger Cross]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his standard issue sidearm throughout the season. Habib Marwan ([[Arnold Vosloo]]) uses a 3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] as his standard sidearm throughout the season. Also used by Tony when he arrives back at CTU after being held hostage by Mandy.

[[Category:Television]]
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|2nd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm. ]]
[[Image:PDVD 009.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Navi aims his suppressed [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at his son in episode 9.]]
[[Image:PDVD 08342.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Behrooz holds the [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] at Jack in episode 10.]]
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|3rd Generation [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:PDVD 08932.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Curtis surrenders his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] to the mercenaries in episode 10.]]
[[Image:PDVD 093428.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Agent Castle breaches a door with his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] in episode 11.]]
[[Image:PDVD 083528.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Marwan takes out his [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] when he sees trouble in episode 11.]]

===Ruger Mini-14===
A [[Ruger Mini-14]] is used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Mini-14 - 5.56x45mm.]]

===Mossberg 590 Mariner===
A [[Mossberg 590]] Mariner is also used by Jack when defending the Hunting Store in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8 p.m.)
[[Image:Mossberg590Mariner 9Shot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

===Walther P99===
A [[Walther P99]] is used by David Conlon when he attempts to kill Jack Bauer and Paul Raines. He succeeds in shooting Paul Raines in Episode 13 (7 p.m.-8p.m.).
Also used by Mandy in the final few episodes, most notably to kill Agent Castle.
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]

===Smith & Wesson 5904===
A suppressed [[Smith & Wesson 5900 pistol series|Smith & Wesson 5904]] is used by a woman in episode 14.
[[Image:S&W-5904-Early-RIGHT.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm. ]]

===SIG-Sauer P228===
A two-tone, suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by a man in episode 14.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]

[[Category:Espionage]]

The Shawshank Redemption

2011-05-22T17:20:32Z

Paco45acp:

'''The following guns were used in the film ''The Shawshank Redemption'':'''

[[Image:ShawshankRedemptionDVDcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Shawshank Redemption (1994)'']]
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'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

==Colt Detective Special==
At the film's beginning, Andy Dufresne ([[Tim Robbins]]) is seen loading a [[Colt Detective Special]] while in a drunken state. During the trial for killing his cheating wife and her lover, he says he didn't do it, but threw the gun in the river, ruining his chance of proving his gun didn't commit the crime.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy swings opens the cylinder on his Colt Detective Special during a flashback.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy loads up his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy closes his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Detective Special is seen in the pawn shop, furthest left.]]

==Colt Police Positive==
The attorney ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) that questions Dufresne shows the jury a revolver for props effect, which is a [[Colt Police Positive]] in .38 caliber. Red ([[Morgan Freeman]]) also sees a Colt Police Positive in a pawn shop window.
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Police Positive- .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtNewService'98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The attorney shows the jury a Colt Police Positive.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Police Positive is seen in the pawn shop, center.]]

==Winchester Model 12==
Several Shawshank guards of ''Shawshank'' are armed with [[Winchester Model 1912|Winchester Model 12]] shotguns.
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Example of a Winchester Model 1912 Riot Gun used in film]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the bus is armed with a Winchester Model 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard outside the bus with a Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dufresne stares down the barrel of a guard's Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police officers armed with Winchester 12s search for the escaped Dufresne.]]

==Winchester 1894==
Other Shawshank guards are seen armed with [[Winchester Model 1894|Winchester 1894]] rifles.
[[Image:Win94saddlering.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1894 Saddle Ring Carbine - .30-30.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall with a Winchester '94 as the new inmates are driven in.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the roof with his Winchester '94 rifle at the ready.]]

==M1928 Thompson==
A Shawshank guard is seen with a [[Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] when the new inmates are driven in.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1928Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall armed with an M1928 Thompson.]]

==M1 Carbine==
One of the officers searching for Dufresne after he escapes from prison is armed with an [[M1 Carbine]].
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine, '50s Korean War style - .30 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TSSM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer searchs for Dufresne with his M1 Carbine in hand.]]

==M14==
Captain Hadley ([[Clancy Brown]]) uses an [[M14 Rifle]] fitted with a scope when Tommy ([[Gil Bellows]]) tries to tell the prison warden that he knew the man who really killed Dufresne's wife and lover. It is not likely an M21, since prisons aren't usually outfitted with Marine sniper weaponry. Since at the time this scene takes place, the M14 and M21 rifles were in frontline service with the U.S. Military, it is doubtful they would be issued to guards in some prison in New England.
In any event, close inspection of the rifle also reveals that it lacks the U.S.G.I. M-14's trademark, the fire control selector lug.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:TSSM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hadley stands in the shadows with his M14 rifle after shooting Tommy.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose==
Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver with a 2" barrel from his desk when the police try to break into his office to arrest him for tax fraud and murder. He loads up the gun with the intention of fighting them.

[[Image:S&WModel10Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snub nose revolver - .38 special. This six shot snubnose version of the classic Model 10 is a rare variant.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton opens up his drawer and pulls out his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose and a box of Remington Kleanbore .38 Specials.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton grabs a handful of shells.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton loads the Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose. It is the snub nosed version of the standard S&W Model 10-5, chambered in .38 Special]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) waits with his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose at the ready.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Warden puts the gun to his chin.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose falls to the floor.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 19 is seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[M1911|Colt M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M1911A1 in seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
One of the guns 'Red' eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]].
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is seen in the pawn shop, center. Note the adjustable sights, confirming it is a Smith & Wesson Model 15. Also note that the grip is slimmer, which differentiates it from the larger .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson Model 19 seen next to it.]]

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The Shawshank Redemption

2011-05-22T17:19:00Z

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'''The following guns were used in the film ''The Shawshank Redemption'':'''

[[Image:ShawshankRedemptionDVDcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Shawshank Redemption (1994)'']]
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'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

==Colt Detective Special==
At the film's beginning, Andy Dufresne ([[Tim Robbins]]) is seen loading a [[Colt Detective Special]] while in a drunken state. During the trial for killing his cheating wife and her lover, he says he didn't do it, but threw the gun in the river, ruining his chance of proving his gun didn't commit the crime.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy swings opens the cylinder on his Colt Detective Special during a flashback.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy loads up his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy closes his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Detective Special is seen in the pawn shop, furthest left.]]

==Colt Police Positive==
The attorney ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) that questions Dufresne shows the jury a revolver for props effect, which is a [[Colt Police Positive]] in .38 caliber. Red ([[Morgan Freeman]]) also sees a Colt Police Positive in a pawn shop window.
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Police Positive- .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtNewService'98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The attorney shows the jury a Colt Police Positive.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Police Positive is seen in the pawn shop, center.]]

==Winchester Model 12==
Several Shawshank guards of ''Shawshank'' are armed with [[Winchester Model 1912|Winchester Model 12]] shotguns.
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Example of a Winchester Model 1912 Riot Gun used in film]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the bus is armed with a Winchester Model 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard outside the bus with a Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dufresne stares down the barrel of a guard's Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police officers armed with Winchester 12s search for the escaped Dufresne.]]

==Winchester 1894==
Other Shawshank guards are seen armed with [[Winchester Model 1894|Winchester 1894]] rifles.
[[Image:Win94saddlering.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1894 Saddle Ring Carbine - .30-30.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall with a Winchester '94 as the new inmates are driven in.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the roof with his Winchester '94 rifle at the ready.]]

==M1928 Thompson==
A Shawshank guard is seen with a [[Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] when the new inmates are driven in.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1928Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall armed with an M1928 Thompson.]]

==M1 Carbine==
One of the officers searching for Dufresne after he escapes from prison is armed with an [[M1 Carbine]].
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine, '50s Korean War style - .30 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TSSM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer searchs for Dufresne with his M1 Carbine in hand.]]

==M14==
Captain Hadley ([[Clancy Brown]]) uses an [[M14 Rifle]] fitted with a scope when Tommy ([[Gil Bellows]]) tries to tell the prison warden that he knew the man who really killed Dufresne's wife and lover. It is not likely an M21, since prisons aren't usually outfitted with Marine sniper weaponry. Since at the time this scene takes place, the M14 and M21 rifles were in frontline service with the U.S. Military, it is doubtful they would be issued to guards in some prison in New England.
In any event, close inspection of the rifle also reveals that it lacks the U.S.G.I. M-14's trademark, the fire control selector lug.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:TSSM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hadley stands in the shadows with his M14 rifle after shooting Tommy.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose==
Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver with a 2" barrel from his desk when the police try to break into his office to arrest him for tax fraud and murder. He loads up the gun with the intention of fighting them.

[[Image:S&WModel10Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snub nose revolver - .38 special. This six shot snubnose version of the classic Model 10 is a rare variant.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton opens up his drawer and pulls out his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose and a box of Remington Kleanbore .38 Specials.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton grabs a handful of shells.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton loads the Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose. It is the snub nosed version of the standard S&W Model 10-5, chambered in .38 Special]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) waits with his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose at the ready.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Warden puts the gun to his chin.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose falls to the floor.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 19 is seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[M1911|Colt M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M1911A1 in seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
One of the guns 'Red' eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]].
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is seen in the pawn shop, center. Note the adjustable sights, confirming it is a Smith & Wesson Model 15. Also note that the grip is slimmer, which differentiates it from the larger .357 Magnum Smith & Wesson Model 19 seen next to it.]]

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The Shawshank Redemption

2011-05-22T17:17:45Z

Paco45acp:

'''The following guns were used in the film ''The Shawshank Redemption'':'''

[[Image:ShawshankRedemptionDVDcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Shawshank Redemption (1994)'']]
__TOC__ 

'''WARNING! SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

==Colt Detective Special==
At the film's beginning, Andy Dufresne ([[Tim Robbins]]) is seen loading a [[Colt Detective Special]] while in a drunken state. During the trial for killing his cheating wife and her lover, he says he didn't do it, but threw the gun in the river, ruining his chance of proving his gun didn't commit the crime.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy swings opens the cylinder on his Colt Detective Special during a flashback.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy loads up his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtDetectiveSpecial-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy closes his Colt Detective Special.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Detective Special is seen in the pawn shop, furthest left.]]

==Colt Police Positive==
The attorney ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) that questions Dufresne shows the jury a revolver for props effect, which is a [[Colt Police Positive]] in .38 caliber. Red ([[Morgan Freeman]]) also sees a Colt Police Positive in a pawn shop window.
[[Image:PolicePositive.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Police Positive- .38 Special.]]
[[Image:TSSColtNewService'98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The attorney shows the jury a Colt Police Positive.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Police Positive is seen in the pawn shop, center.]]

==Winchester Model 12==
Several Shawshank guards of ''Shawshank'' are armed with [[Winchester Model 1912|Winchester Model 12]] shotguns.
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Example of a Winchester Model 1912 Riot Gun used in film]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the bus is armed with a Winchester Model 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard outside the bus with a Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dufresne stares down the barrel of a guard's Winchester 12.]]
[[Image:TSSWin12-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Police officers armed with Winchester 12s search for the escaped Dufresne.]]

==Winchester 1894==
Other Shawshank guards are seen armed with [[Winchester Model 1894|Winchester 1894]] rifles.
[[Image:Win94saddlering.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1894 Saddle Ring Carbine - .30-30.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall with a Winchester '94 as the new inmates are driven in.]]
[[Image:TSSWin94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the roof with his Winchester '94 rifle at the ready.]]

==M1928 Thompson==
A Shawshank guard is seen with a [[Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] when the new inmates are driven in.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1928Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard on the prison wall armed with an M1928 Thompson.]]

==M1 Carbine==
One of the officers searching for Dufresne after he escapes from prison is armed with an [[M1 Carbine]].
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine, '50s Korean War style - .30 Carbine.]]
[[Image:TSSM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer searchs for Dufresne with his M1 Carbine in hand.]]

==M14==
Captain Hadley ([[Clancy Brown]]) uses an [[M14 Rifle]] fitted with a scope when Tommy ([[Gil Bellows]]) tries to tell the prison warden that he knew the man who really killed Dufresne's wife and lover. It is not likely an M21, since prisons aren't usually outfitted with Marine sniper weaponry. Since at the time this scene takes place, the M14 and M21 rifles were in frontline service with the U.S. Military, it is doubtful they would be issued to guards in some prison in New England.
In any event, close inspection of the rifle also reveals that it lacks the U.S.G.I. M-14's trademark, the fire control selector lug.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:TSSM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hadley stands in the shadows with his M14 rifle after shooting Tommy.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose==
Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolver with a 2" barrel from his desk when the police try to break into his office to arrest him for tax fraud and murder. He loads up the gun with the intention of fighting them.

[[Image:S&WModel10Snub.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snub nose revolver - .38 special. This six shot snubnose version of the classic Model 10 is a rare variant.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton opens up his drawer and pulls out his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose and a box of Remington Kleanbore .38 Specials.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton grabs a handful of shells.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Norton loads the Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose. It is the snub nosed version of the standard S&W Model 10-5, chambered in .38 Special]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Warden Norton ([[Bob Gunton]]) waits with his Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose at the ready.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Warden puts the gun to his chin.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W36-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose falls to the floor.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]].
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 19 is seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
One of the guns 'Red' ([[Morgan Freeman]]) eyes in the pawn shop is a [[M1911|Colt M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TSSM1911A1-ColtDetectiveSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M1911A1 in seen in the pawn shop, furthest right.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
One of the guns 'Red' eyes in the pawn shop is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]].
[[Image:TSSS&W19-S&W36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 15 is seen in the pawn shop, center. Note the adjustable sights, confirming it is a Smith & Wesson Model 15.]]

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