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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.<br />
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fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them). <br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.<br />
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&amp;Wshooter|S&amp;Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.<br />
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:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?<br />
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==<br />
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Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.<br />
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--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==<br />
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The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=173385Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-31T14:05:20Z<p>Owen642: /* Mistake? */</p>
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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?<br />
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=173384Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-31T14:04:44Z<p>Owen642: /* Mistake? */</p>
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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?<br />
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=173383Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-31T14:04:18Z<p>Owen642: /* Mistake? */</p>
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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?<br />
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Owen642&diff=172124User talk:Owen6422009-08-29T09:44:41Z<p>Owen642: /* Too bad you're in the UK */</p>
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<div>==Too bad you're in the UK==<br />
I was following the Hungerford and Dunblane massacres. I was horrified that the government decided to punish all the law abiding folks for the actions of one or two deranged maniacs. I actually cancelled a vacation trip in protest when the government took away everyone's guns. (I also cancelled all my Australian holidays in protest when they banned all their guns after the Port Arthur massacre). As long as they violate the rights of their own citizens to own firearms, I won't give them any of MY money unless absolutely necessary. (I am appreciative of the Aussies and Brit's support of our War against Al Qaeda, but that's different). Welcome to the board. So how old ARE you? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I'm Sixteen, but for some reason I have got a good knowledge of guns from my travels to america (or mainly, its gun clubs).<br />
It sucks in England at the moment, all of the pistol shooting clubs nearly went out of business following the ban and have only been kept afloat by making the change to crossbow shooting, which as we all know isnt half as fun as the real thing.[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 09:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Owen642&diff=172123User talk:Owen6422009-08-29T09:44:10Z<p>Owen642: /* Too bad you're in the UK */</p>
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<div>==Too bad you're in the UK==<br />
I was following the Hungerford and Dunblane massacres. I was horrified that the government decided to punish all the law abiding folks for the actions of one or two deranged maniacs. I actually cancelled a vacation trip in protest when the government took away everyone's guns. (I also cancelled all my Australian holidays in protest when they banned all their guns after the Port Arthur massacre). As long as they violate the rights of their own citizens to own firearms, I won't give them any of MY money unless absolutely necessary. (I am appreciative of the Aussies and Brit's support of our War against Al Qaeda, but that's different). Welcome to the board. So how old ARE you? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
I'm Sixteen, but for some reason I have got a good knowledge of guns from my travels to america (or mainly, its gun clubs).<br />
It sucks in England at the moment, all of the pistol shooting clubs nearly went out of business following the ban and have only been kept afloat by making the change to crossbow shooting, which as we all know isnt half as fun as the real thing.</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User:Owen642&diff=171959User:Owen6422009-08-29T00:29:28Z<p>Owen642: New page: Im owen andrews , i live in England where unfortunately all guns are banned. on the plus side we can get drun kat 18, so screw you yanks. nah, just kidding i love americans.</p>
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<div>Im owen andrews , i live in England where unfortunately all guns are banned. on the plus side we can get drun kat 18, so screw you yanks. nah, just kidding i love americans.</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=171958Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-29T00:28:14Z<p>Owen642: /* Shughart and the M14/M16 switch */</p>
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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?<br />
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=170966Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-26T15:28:21Z<p>Owen642: /* Shughart and the M14/M16 switch */</p>
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==M4 in 1994?==<br />
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)<br />
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::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Black_Hawk_Down&diff=169664Talk:Black Hawk Down2009-08-23T15:32:19Z<p>Owen642: /* Shughart and the M14/M16 switch */</p>
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<div>== Weapon used by delta force ==<br />
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M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15<br />
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: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4<br />
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Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?<br />
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.<br />
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mistake? ==<br />
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]<br />
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]<br />
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Mike Durant's Book ==<br />
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.<br />
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== The Hand ==<br />
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)<br />
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Flashlight Attachment Help==<br />
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]<br />
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]<br />
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::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|<span style="color: gray; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10pt;"><font color="#D3D3D3">'''B'''</font><font color="#A9A9A9">'''le'''</font><font color="#808080">'''mo'''</font></span>]] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''TALK'''</font>]]</sup></small> • <sub><small> [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''CONTRIBUTIONS'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small>[[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">'''EMAIL'''</font>]]</small></sub> • <sub><small><font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">'''MESSAGE'''</span></font></small></sub>'' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?<br />
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:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==<br />
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]<br />
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intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Black_Hawk_Down&diff=167921Black Hawk Down2009-08-20T14:42:11Z<p>Owen642: /* GE M134 Minigun */</p>
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<div>'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'''''<br />
[[Image:Black hawk down ver1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (2001)]]<br />
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== Colt Commando ==<br />
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The Delta operators mainly wield the M727 and M733 variants of the Colt Commando. The M727 variant is identified by its A2 upper reciever and 14.5" barrel with the cutout for mounting an M20e grenade launcher; the M733 has the shorter 11.5" barrel. Staff Sgt. Daniel Busch ([[Richard Tyson]]) is the first Delta member on screen, and also the first soldier we see carrying an [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|M727]]. All Delta members carry M727s and M733s, fitted with various accessories such as Aimpoint scopes and surefire flashlights. Master Sgt. Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster Waldau]]) can be seen carrying an M733 featuring a camouflage paint scheme and a sound suppressor, which is then used by Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) to pick off several more Somalis before running out of ammunition and being overwhelmed. <br />
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[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 733 with 11.5" Barrel (The Model 723 is the export model of the same weapon - used by forces of the UAE and US Delta Force) 5.56mm]]<br />
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===Delta Customs===<br />
The Deltas arm themselves differently from the Rangers by using customized Colt Model 727 and 733 rifles as opposed to longer, heavier M16A2 rifles. Many are fitted with such accessories as Aimpoint scopes, surefire flashlights (with the pressure switch taped to the handguard with 100mph tape), some of them have camouflage paint schemes, and some of them are fitted with 14.5" barrels with M203 cuts (M727). <br />
[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Staff Sgt. Busch aims an M727 carbine at Somali militants raiding a red cross food distribution center while aboard a Blackhawk. Note flashlight pressure switch taped to the handguard.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot uses his M727 to shoot out of a Humvee window.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wounded SSG Busch climbs out of a crashed Blackhawk and fires his M727 at the Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727.]]<br />
(note - some of the pressure switches were rendered useless as as the delta operators fast roped in from the black hawks, the friction from the 3inch ropes burnt straight through the connecting cable, meaning that the flashlights and in some cases, the radios, failed to function properly.)<br />
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===Rangers===<br />
While the Rangers are armed almost entirely with M16A2 rifles, Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) uses an M733 rifle noted by the 11.5" barrel, with nothing modified or changed. A field medic is also seen using an M733, presumabley because he would need a lighter, more versatile weapon to move quickly to wounded soldiers.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele with his M733 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele shows the Deltas you don't need a fancy scope to fire an M733. Iron sights.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger medic Sgt. Schmid with his M733 in hand.]]<br />
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===Delta Sniper===<br />
Master Sgt. Gary Gordon uses an M733 rifle with the camo paint, scope and a light, but his is fitted with a sound suppressor. Shughart gives this rifle to the wounded Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant, who uses it before it runs out of ammo.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon with his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon fires his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Durant with Gordon's M733.]]<br />
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===CAR-15===<br />
Some of the Deltas are seen using [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series |Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbines with the original long type muzzle break, which are also heavily customized. There is a high possibility they are built from several Commando types so a definite I.D. isn't certain unless the armorer can verify it.<br />
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[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with his CAR-15 A2 rifle at the ready, right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with a CAR-15.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta fires on a .50 gunner with his CAR-15 to make him waste his ammo.]]<br />
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==Colt M4 carbine==<br />
Hoot seems to use an [[M16 rifle series|Colt M4 carbine]] rifle with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastized by Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the baracks. It is noted as an M4, the burst rifle varient because the M4A1, the full-auto varient had not been issued yet. The M4A1 would begin issue around 1995 or so. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.<br />
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A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1994, a year after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.<br />
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[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4 carbine 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Who's hungry?" Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele points out to Hoot that whether a undisciplined Delta or not, his M4 carbine should be safetied in the barracks. Hoot replies "This is my safety" and bends his pointer finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.]]<br />
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== M60 machine gun ==<br />
Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] machine gun as his standard weapon. Some of the Somalians can be seen using them as well.<br />
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[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson fires his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson firing his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the humvees.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalians.]]<br />
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== FN Minimi ==<br />
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Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN Minimi|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head.<br />
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[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Minimi 5.56x45mm with 200-round ammo drum]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]<br />
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== M16A2 ==<br />
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Staff Sgt. Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Rangers armed, like most of them, with an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]].<br />
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[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann firing his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Goodale with his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switchs between his M14 and an M16A2 at the second crash site]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants]]<br />
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== M14 ==<br />
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 Rifle]] is seen being used by Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and Master Sgt. Gary Gordon are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an M68 Aimpoint scope. It was noted that the actual SSGT Shughart actually used a M21 with a M68 scope, although the movie armorer used an M14 to supplement this.<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14.]]<br />
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==M16A1==<br />
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somalian arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[Jerk, The|The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.<br />
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[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 rifles hang in the dealer's shop along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TV Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching showing a scene from ''The Jerk'' where a man is firing a scoped M16A1 moments before Beales' epilepsy kicks in and he seizes.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militiamen picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider removed and with a strange smooth ten round magazine.]]<br />
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==CETME==<br />
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notabley because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.<br />
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Spanish CETME rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==<br />
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The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles. <br />
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[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO with green synthetic furniture]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somlai militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]<br />
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== PKM Light Machine Gun ==<br />
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A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somalian arms dealer's shop.<br />
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[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PKM light machine gun 7.62x54mm R]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]<br />
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==SVD Dragunov==<br />
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.<br />
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54R.]]<br />
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An SVD Dragunov is seen behind Hoot.]]<br />
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== RPK ==<br />
One of the Somalian fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun]]. Its blonde furniture indicates it could be a foreign copy. The machining divots in the receiver could help indicate its origins as well.<br />
(the milled receiver, blonde wood, and the fact that the selector is in semi seem to suggest it is an Arsenal Bulgarian RPK, probably a US-made semi-auto variant)<br />
[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK light machine gun 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali fires his RPK at the downed Black Hawk.]]<br />
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== RPG-7 ==<br />
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The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as it is the weapon which brings down a pair of Black Hawks. In one scene, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes the driver of one of the deuce and a half trucks in Lt. Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.<br />
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 70mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rocket propelled grenade being fired at a Black Hawk.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A milita member takes down Super Six 1, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales a duece and a half driver.]]<br />
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==Norinco Type 69==<br />
Along with [[RPG-7]]s, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69|Norinco Type 69]] launchers are used by the militia.<br />
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 - 70mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56 ==<br />
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somalian to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle break added on.<br />
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56-1 ==<br />
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Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have.<br />
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[[Image:Type56S.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56-1 7.62x39mm.]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1 ([[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]).]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somali militiamen running with [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]].]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA, Sgt. Dom Pilla, of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires his 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian kills Joyce with a shot to the chest with a Type 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somalian's 56-1.]]<br />
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== AKS-74U ==<br />
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Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somalian militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking one of the surviving Blackhawk pilots before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner. <br />
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[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]<br />
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== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==<br />
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At one point in the film, Somalis begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the Somalis, killing several with one shot before destroying the weapon with a thermite grenade.<br />
[[Image:BHDSPGRecoiless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somalians fire the SPG-9 at the holed up Rangers and Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:DeltaRR-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deltas turn an SPG-9 recoilless rifle against it's Somali owners.]]<br />
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==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==<br />
Many of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of Sgt. Ruiz of Cpt. Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart. <br />
[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] 37mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger behind Cpt. Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele gives the dying Sgt. Ruiz his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]<br />
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== M203 Grenade Launcher ==<br />
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While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.<br />
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[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M203 like a proper desk clerk, eyes closed. Cleary [[Ewan McGregor]] has never fired an M203, as his depiction of recoil is horrible]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade cartridge]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Here the trigger guard appears to have been removed]]<br />
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== M1911A1 ==<br />
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Another Delta operator can be seen practicing with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film. <br />
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator shows the Rangers what a real handgun can do. (That is, better firepower at the cost of running out of ammunition twice as quickly.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Gordon fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1 after being wounded.]]<br />
[[Image:Blackhawk11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta Force Sgt. Sanderson with his M1911A1.]]<br />
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== Tokarev TT-33 ==<br />
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A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site.<br />
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the TT-33]]<br />
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== Beretta M9 ==<br />
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The [[Beretta M92F#Beretta 92 FS|Beretta M9]] pistol is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his M9 sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.<br />
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M92FS 9x19mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his M9.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McKnight is seen armed with his M9 when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==<br />
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Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), a Black Hawk pilot, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim forearm and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its' 9mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.<br />
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually MP5Ks. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper, a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.<br />
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[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9mm with slim handguard]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CWO Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant with his H&K MP5A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant fires his H&K MP5A3 as Deltas carry him from his crashed chopper.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shughart gets killed while firing the MP5A3.]]<br />
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== Browning M2HB ==<br />
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by both the U.S. Army HMMWVs, the U.N. APCs, and the Somali militia in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful fifty-cal. <br />
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The opening shots of Black Hawk Down.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An Army HMMWV with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot's hands are actually gloved.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mean-faced Somali firing the M2HB]]<br />
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== GE M134 Minigun ==<br />
During the slaughter of the crowd, The U.S. forces hovering in the MH-60 aren't cleared to fire the [[GE M134 Minigun]]s mounted on their Black Hawk. Pylon-mounted miniguns, mounted alongside 2.75 rockets, are also carried by the AH-6 ''Little Birds'' and rain lead in several scenes.<br />
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|350px|GE M134 Minigun in 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A GE M134 with flash suppressor.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of GE M134s on an AH-6 supplying close air support.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner takes out RPG gunners with an M134.]]<br />
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== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==<br />
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Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film. <br />
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[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Russian DShK 12.7x109mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Somali militia leader on a DShK.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]<br />
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== M72 LAW ==<br />
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An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007.<br />
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[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]<br />
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==Remington 870==<br />
While never used on screen, Sgt. Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. <br />
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock (One seen in the movie lacked the folding stock).]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]<br />
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== M67 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) picks up [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. Sgt. Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.<br />
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[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|left|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M67 Hand Grenades]]<br />
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== M7A2 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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An [[M7A2]] CS gas grenade is seen sitting next to the M67 fragmentation hand grenades Hoot picks up. <br />
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[[Image:M7A2.gif|thumb|left|225px|ABC-M7A2 CS Gas Grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M7A2 CS Gas Grenade (far left)]]<br />
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[[Category:War]]</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Black_Hawk_Down&diff=167920Black Hawk Down2009-08-20T14:39:57Z<p>Owen642: /* Delta Customs */</p>
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<div>'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'''''<br />
[[Image:Black hawk down ver1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (2001)]]<br />
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== Colt Commando ==<br />
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The Delta operators mainly wield the M727 and M733 variants of the Colt Commando. The M727 variant is identified by its A2 upper reciever and 14.5" barrel with the cutout for mounting an M20e grenade launcher; the M733 has the shorter 11.5" barrel. Staff Sgt. Daniel Busch ([[Richard Tyson]]) is the first Delta member on screen, and also the first soldier we see carrying an [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|M727]]. All Delta members carry M727s and M733s, fitted with various accessories such as Aimpoint scopes and surefire flashlights. Master Sgt. Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster Waldau]]) can be seen carrying an M733 featuring a camouflage paint scheme and a sound suppressor, which is then used by Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) to pick off several more Somalis before running out of ammunition and being overwhelmed. <br />
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[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 733 with 11.5" Barrel (The Model 723 is the export model of the same weapon - used by forces of the UAE and US Delta Force) 5.56mm]]<br />
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===Delta Customs===<br />
The Deltas arm themselves differently from the Rangers by using customized Colt Model 727 and 733 rifles as opposed to longer, heavier M16A2 rifles. Many are fitted with such accessories as Aimpoint scopes, surefire flashlights (with the pressure switch taped to the handguard with 100mph tape), some of them have camouflage paint schemes, and some of them are fitted with 14.5" barrels with M203 cuts (M727). <br />
[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Staff Sgt. Busch aims an M727 carbine at Somali militants raiding a red cross food distribution center while aboard a Blackhawk. Note flashlight pressure switch taped to the handguard.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot uses his M727 to shoot out of a Humvee window.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wounded SSG Busch climbs out of a crashed Blackhawk and fires his M727 at the Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727.]]<br />
(note - some of the pressure switches were rendered useless as as the delta operators fast roped in from the black hawks, the friction from the 3inch ropes burnt straight through the connecting cable, meaning that the flashlights and in some cases, the radios, failed to function properly.)<br />
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===Rangers===<br />
While the Rangers are armed almost entirely with M16A2 rifles, Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) uses an M733 rifle noted by the 11.5" barrel, with nothing modified or changed. A field medic is also seen using an M733, presumabley because he would need a lighter, more versatile weapon to move quickly to wounded soldiers.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele with his M733 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele shows the Deltas you don't need a fancy scope to fire an M733. Iron sights.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger medic Sgt. Schmid with his M733 in hand.]]<br />
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===Delta Sniper===<br />
Master Sgt. Gary Gordon uses an M733 rifle with the camo paint, scope and a light, but his is fitted with a sound suppressor. Shughart gives this rifle to the wounded Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant, who uses it before it runs out of ammo.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon with his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon fires his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Durant with Gordon's M733.]]<br />
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===CAR-15===<br />
Some of the Deltas are seen using [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series |Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbines with the original long type muzzle break, which are also heavily customized. There is a high possibility they are built from several Commando types so a definite I.D. isn't certain unless the armorer can verify it.<br />
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[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with his CAR-15 A2 rifle at the ready, right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with a CAR-15.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta fires on a .50 gunner with his CAR-15 to make him waste his ammo.]]<br />
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==Colt M4 carbine==<br />
Hoot seems to use an [[M16 rifle series|Colt M4 carbine]] rifle with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastized by Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the baracks. It is noted as an M4, the burst rifle varient because the M4A1, the full-auto varient had not been issued yet. The M4A1 would begin issue around 1995 or so. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.<br />
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A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1994, a year after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.<br />
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[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4 carbine 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Who's hungry?" Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele points out to Hoot that whether a undisciplined Delta or not, his M4 carbine should be safetied in the barracks. Hoot replies "This is my safety" and bends his pointer finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.]]<br />
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== M60 machine gun ==<br />
Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] machine gun as his standard weapon. Some of the Somalians can be seen using them as well.<br />
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[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson fires his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson firing his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the humvees.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalians.]]<br />
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== FN Minimi ==<br />
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Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN Minimi|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head.<br />
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[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Minimi 5.56x45mm with 200-round ammo drum]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]<br />
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== M16A2 ==<br />
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Staff Sgt. Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Rangers armed, like most of them, with an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]].<br />
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[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann firing his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Goodale with his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switchs between his M14 and an M16A2 at the second crash site]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants]]<br />
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== M14 ==<br />
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 Rifle]] is seen being used by Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and Master Sgt. Gary Gordon are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an M68 Aimpoint scope. It was noted that the actual SSGT Shughart actually used a M21 with a M68 scope, although the movie armorer used an M14 to supplement this.<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14.]]<br />
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==M16A1==<br />
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somalian arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[Jerk, The|The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.<br />
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[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 rifles hang in the dealer's shop along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TV Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching showing a scene from ''The Jerk'' where a man is firing a scoped M16A1 moments before Beales' epilepsy kicks in and he seizes.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militiamen picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider removed and with a strange smooth ten round magazine.]]<br />
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==CETME==<br />
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notabley because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.<br />
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Spanish CETME rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==<br />
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The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles. <br />
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[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO with green synthetic furniture]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somlai militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]<br />
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== PKM Light Machine Gun ==<br />
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A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somalian arms dealer's shop.<br />
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[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PKM light machine gun 7.62x54mm R]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]<br />
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==SVD Dragunov==<br />
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.<br />
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54R.]]<br />
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An SVD Dragunov is seen behind Hoot.]]<br />
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== RPK ==<br />
One of the Somalian fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun]]. Its blonde furniture indicates it could be a foreign copy. The machining divots in the receiver could help indicate its origins as well.<br />
(the milled receiver, blonde wood, and the fact that the selector is in semi seem to suggest it is an Arsenal Bulgarian RPK, probably a US-made semi-auto variant)<br />
[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK light machine gun 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali fires his RPK at the downed Black Hawk.]]<br />
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== RPG-7 ==<br />
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The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as it is the weapon which brings down a pair of Black Hawks. In one scene, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes the driver of one of the deuce and a half trucks in Lt. Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.<br />
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 70mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rocket propelled grenade being fired at a Black Hawk.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A milita member takes down Super Six 1, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales a duece and a half driver.]]<br />
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==Norinco Type 69==<br />
Along with [[RPG-7]]s, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69|Norinco Type 69]] launchers are used by the militia.<br />
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 - 70mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56 ==<br />
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somalian to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle break added on.<br />
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56-1 ==<br />
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Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have.<br />
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[[Image:Type56S.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56-1 7.62x39mm.]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1 ([[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]).]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somali militiamen running with [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]].]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA, Sgt. Dom Pilla, of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires his 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian kills Joyce with a shot to the chest with a Type 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somalian's 56-1.]]<br />
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== AKS-74U ==<br />
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Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somalian militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking one of the surviving Blackhawk pilots before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner. <br />
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[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]<br />
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== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==<br />
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At one point in the film, Somalis begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the Somalis, killing several with one shot before destroying the weapon with a thermite grenade.<br />
[[Image:BHDSPGRecoiless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somalians fire the SPG-9 at the holed up Rangers and Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:DeltaRR-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deltas turn an SPG-9 recoilless rifle against it's Somali owners.]]<br />
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==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==<br />
Many of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of Sgt. Ruiz of Cpt. Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart. <br />
[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] 37mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger behind Cpt. Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele gives the dying Sgt. Ruiz his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]<br />
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== M203 Grenade Launcher ==<br />
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While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.<br />
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[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M203 like a proper desk clerk, eyes closed. Cleary [[Ewan McGregor]] has never fired an M203, as his depiction of recoil is horrible]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade cartridge]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Here the trigger guard appears to have been removed]]<br />
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== M1911A1 ==<br />
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Another Delta operator can be seen practicing with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film. <br />
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator shows the Rangers what a real handgun can do. (That is, better firepower at the cost of running out of ammunition twice as quickly.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Gordon fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1 after being wounded.]]<br />
[[Image:Blackhawk11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta Force Sgt. Sanderson with his M1911A1.]]<br />
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== Tokarev TT-33 ==<br />
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A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site.<br />
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the TT-33]]<br />
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== Beretta M9 ==<br />
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The [[Beretta M92F#Beretta 92 FS|Beretta M9]] pistol is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his M9 sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.<br />
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M92FS 9x19mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his M9.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McKnight is seen armed with his M9 when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==<br />
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Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), a Black Hawk pilot, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim forearm and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its' 9mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.<br />
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually MP5Ks. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper, a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.<br />
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[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9mm with slim handguard]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CWO Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant with his H&K MP5A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant fires his H&K MP5A3 as Deltas carry him from his crashed chopper.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shughart gets killed while firing the MP5A3.]]<br />
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== Browning M2HB ==<br />
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by both the U.S. Army HMMWVs, the U.N. APCs, and the Somali militia in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful fifty-cal. <br />
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The opening shots of Black Hawk Down.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An Army HMMWV with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot's hands are actually gloved.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mean-faced Somali firing the M2HB]]<br />
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== GE M134 Minigun ==<br />
During the slaughter of the crowd, The U.S. forces hovering in the MH-60 aren't cleared to fire the [[GE M134 Minigun]]s mounted on their Black Hawk. Pylon-mounted miniguns are also carried by the AH-6 ''Little Birds'' and rain lead in several scenes.<br />
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|350px|GE M134 Minigun in 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A GE M134 with flash suppressor.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of GE M134s on an AH-6 supplying close air support.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner takes out RPG gunners with an M134.]]<br />
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== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==<br />
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Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film. <br />
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[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Russian DShK 12.7x109mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Somali militia leader on a DShK.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]<br />
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== M72 LAW ==<br />
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An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007.<br />
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[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]<br />
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==Remington 870==<br />
While never used on screen, Sgt. Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. <br />
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock (One seen in the movie lacked the folding stock).]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]<br />
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== M67 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) picks up [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. Sgt. Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.<br />
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[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|left|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M67 Hand Grenades]]<br />
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== M7A2 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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An [[M7A2]] CS gas grenade is seen sitting next to the M67 fragmentation hand grenades Hoot picks up. <br />
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[[Image:M7A2.gif|thumb|left|225px|ABC-M7A2 CS Gas Grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M7A2 CS Gas Grenade (far left)]]<br />
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[[Category:War]]</div>Owen642https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Black_Hawk_Down&diff=167919Black Hawk Down2009-08-20T14:39:26Z<p>Owen642: /* Delta Customs */</p>
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<div>'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'''''<br />
[[Image:Black hawk down ver1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (2001)]]<br />
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== Colt Commando ==<br />
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The Delta operators mainly wield the M727 and M733 variants of the Colt Commando. The M727 variant is identified by its A2 upper reciever and 14.5" barrel with the cutout for mounting an M20e grenade launcher; the M733 has the shorter 11.5" barrel. Staff Sgt. Daniel Busch ([[Richard Tyson]]) is the first Delta member on screen, and also the first soldier we see carrying an [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|M727]]. All Delta members carry M727s and M733s, fitted with various accessories such as Aimpoint scopes and surefire flashlights. Master Sgt. Gary Gordon ([[Nikolaj Coster Waldau]]) can be seen carrying an M733 featuring a camouflage paint scheme and a sound suppressor, which is then used by Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]) to pick off several more Somalis before running out of ammunition and being overwhelmed. <br />
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[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 733 with 11.5" Barrel (The Model 723 is the export model of the same weapon - used by forces of the UAE and US Delta Force) 5.56mm]]<br />
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===Delta Customs===<br />
The Deltas arm themselves differently from the Rangers by using customized Colt Model 727 and 733 rifles as opposed to longer, heavier M16A2 rifles. Many are fitted with such accessories as Aimpoint scopes, surefire flashlights (with the pressure switch taped to the handguard with 100mph tape), some of them have camouflage paint schemes, and some of them are fitted with 14.5" barrels with M203 cuts (M727). (note - some of the pressure switches were rendered useless as as the delta operators fast roped in from the black hawks, the friction from the 3inch ropes burnt straight through the connecting cable, meaning that the flashlights and in some cases, the radios, failed to function properly.<br />
[[Image:BHD-M733.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Staff Sgt. Busch aims an M727 carbine at Somali militants raiding a red cross food distribution center while aboard a Blackhawk. Note flashlight pressure switch taped to the handguard.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M733-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot uses his M727 to shoot out of a Humvee window.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wounded SSG Busch climbs out of a crashed Blackhawk and fires his M727 at the Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Sanderson fires his M727.]]<br />
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===Rangers===<br />
While the Rangers are armed almost entirely with M16A2 rifles, Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) uses an M733 rifle noted by the 11.5" barrel, with nothing modified or changed. A field medic is also seen using an M733, presumabley because he would need a lighter, more versatile weapon to move quickly to wounded soldiers.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele with his M733 carbine.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele shows the Deltas you don't need a fancy scope to fire an M733. Iron sights.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger medic Sgt. Schmid with his M733 in hand.]]<br />
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===Delta Sniper===<br />
Master Sgt. Gary Gordon uses an M733 rifle with the camo paint, scope and a light, but his is fitted with a sound suppressor. Shughart gives this rifle to the wounded Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant, who uses it before it runs out of ammo.<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon with his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gordon fires his suppressed M733.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCommandoSuppressed-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Durant with Gordon's M733.]]<br />
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===CAR-15===<br />
Some of the Deltas are seen using [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series |Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbines with the original long type muzzle break, which are also heavily customized. There is a high possibility they are built from several Commando types so a definite I.D. isn't certain unless the armorer can verify it.<br />
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[[Image:BHDXM177E2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with his CAR-15 A2 rifle at the ready, right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta with a CAR-15.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDXM177E2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta fires on a .50 gunner with his CAR-15 to make him waste his ammo.]]<br />
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==Colt M4 carbine==<br />
Hoot seems to use an [[M16 rifle series|Colt M4 carbine]] rifle with the same customizations and paint job as the Commando rifles when doing solo operations in Somalia, noted by its removable carry handle. He uses it to shoot a wild boar from a chopper, and is chastized by Cpt. Steele ([[Jason Isaacs]]) for keeping the weapon's safety off in the baracks. It is noted as an M4, the burst rifle varient because the M4A1, the full-auto varient had not been issued yet. The M4A1 would begin issue around 1995 or so. One of the Deltas is also seen using an M4 carbine during the operation itself.<br />
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A bit of anachronism here, both the M4 and M4A1 entered service in 1994, a year after the events of this film (in 1993), so the M4 should technically not be in Hoot's hands. The probable reason was the fact that most of the earlier M16 Carbines are hard to come by, so they needed something to fill that gap.<br />
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[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4 carbine 5.56x45mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Who's hungry?" Hoot readies his M4 carbine to shoot a wild boar. Note flashlight pressure switch attached to the handguards with electric tape. Also note that Hoot racks the action twice; once when he boards the chopper, and another time when he readies to shoot the boar.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cpt. Steele points out to Hoot that whether a undisciplined Delta or not, his M4 carbine should be safetied in the barracks. Hoot replies "This is my safety" and bends his pointer finger. Note the knobs on the carry handle used to remove it from the gun and custom pistol grip.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM4-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator breaches and clears with an M4 carbine in hand. Note the removable carry handle.]]<br />
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== M60 machine gun ==<br />
Specialist Shawn Nelson ([[Ewen Bremner]]) can be seen carrying an [[M60 machine gun]] machine gun as his standard weapon. Some of the Somalians can be seen using them as well.<br />
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[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-Blanks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson with his M60, here clearly loaded with blanks.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M60-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson fires his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nelson firing his M60.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires an M60 at the humvees.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM60E1-1-1-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his M60 at the Somalians.]]<br />
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== FN Minimi ==<br />
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Several Rangers can be seen carrying [[FN Minimi|FN Minimis]] throughout the film, standing in for the [[FN Minimi|M249-E1 SAW]]. It is also the weapon used by Specialist Lance Twombly ([[Tom Hardy]]) to accidentally deafen Nelson when he fires it too close to his head.<br />
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[[Image:M249 FN MINIMI DA-SC-85-11586 c1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Minimi 5.56x45mm with 200-round ammo drum]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) with an FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M249.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PFC John Waddell ([[Ian Virgo]]) firing his Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the charging handle rocking in slow motion on the FN Minimi]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twombley with his FN Minimi, yelling to Yurek about how they almost killed him]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMinimi-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger fires his FN Minimi during the "Mogadishu Mile"]]<br />
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== M16A2 ==<br />
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Staff Sgt. Matt Eversmann ([[Josh Hartnett]]) leads his Rangers armed, like most of them, with an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]].<br />
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[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann leads his Ranger team, many armed with M16A2s]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M16-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann firing his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Mike Goodale ([[Carmine Giovinazzo]]) fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eversmann fires his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Goodale with his M16A2]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) switchs between his M14 and an M16A2 at the second crash site]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Probably the only Ranger in the film to fire bursts from his M16A2. Rangers are usually trained not to fire in bursts unless "they have a damn good reason", as quoted by several Drill Sergeants]]<br />
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== M14 ==<br />
The [[M14 Rifle#M14 Rifle|M14 Rifle]] is seen being used by Sergeant First Class Randy Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]), most notably when he and Master Sgt. Gary Gordon are covering the second crash site. His M14 sports a camouflage paint scheme and an M68 Aimpoint scope. It was noted that the actual SSGT Shughart actually used a M21 with a M68 scope, although the movie armorer used an M14 to supplement this.<br />
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14. This shot appears to have been reversed. Note how the bolt is on the left side, not the right. Also see how Shughart and Gordon (off-shot) are right-handed in the other shots except for this one.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M21-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart covers the second crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM14-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M14.]]<br />
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==M16A1==<br />
[[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles are seen in the Somalian arms dealer's shop and one militia member is seen loading up one. At one point, Rangers can be seen watching a portion of the film ''[[Jerk, The|The Jerk]]'' where a madman is trying to shoot the protagonist using a scoped M16A1.<br />
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[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 rifles hang in the dealer's shop along with M16A2s, likely captured from American forces.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TV Beales ([[Ioan Gruffudd]]) is watching showing a scene from ''The Jerk'' where a man is firing a scoped M16A1 moments before Beales' epilepsy kicks in and he seizes.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militiamen picks up an M16A1 with the flash hider removed and with a strange smooth ten round magazine.]]<br />
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==CETME==<br />
Spanish [[CETME]] rifles are seen among the weapons in the arms dealer's shop, many of which are taken by the militia to combat the U.S. forces. They are not [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s, most notabley because they have a simple fixed sight instead of a rear sight spindle.<br />
[[Image:cetme.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Spanish CETME rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm NATO.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Militia members pick up CETME rifles in the dealer's shop.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDCETME-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CETME rifles hanging next to the dealer.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==<br />
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The local militia arm themselves with, among many other weapons, [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch G3A3]] assault rifles. <br />
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[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|G3A3 7.62x51mm NATO with green synthetic furniture]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-G3A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali militia member firing a G3A3 at the first MH-60K crash site.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somlai militia member takes cover from a Ranger's .50 caliber barrage armed with a G3A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDG3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member fires his G3A3.]]<br />
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== PKM Light Machine Gun ==<br />
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A [[PK Machine Gun|PKM light machine gun]] is seen resting on a table in the Somalian arms dealer's shop.<br />
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[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PKM light machine gun 7.62x54mm R]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PKM sits on the arms dealer's table]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMAG58-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A shot of the PKM muzzle brake]]<br />
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==SVD Dragunov==<br />
When Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) is in the Somali town, he passes the arms dealer, who has an [[SVD Dragunov]] on display.<br />
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54R.]]<br />
[[Image:Bhd svd-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An SVD Dragunov is seen behind Hoot.]]<br />
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== RPK ==<br />
One of the Somalian fires on Mike Durant's Black Hawk armed with an [[RPK light machine gun]]. Its blonde furniture indicates it could be a foreign copy. The machining divots in the receiver could help indicate its origins as well.<br />
(the milled receiver, blonde wood, and the fact that the selector is in semi seem to suggest it is an Arsenal Bulgarian RPK, probably a US-made semi-auto variant)<br />
[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK light machine gun 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali fires his RPK at the downed Black Hawk.]]<br />
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== RPG-7 ==<br />
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The Russian manufactured [[RPG-7]] features prominently in the film as it is the weapon which brings down a pair of Black Hawks. In one scene, a projectile from an RPG-7 strikes the driver of one of the deuce and a half trucks in Lt. Colonel Danny McKnight ([[Tom Sizemore]])'s convoy and fails to detonate, impaling the luckless soldier instead.<br />
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[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 70mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7s being handed out by the militia.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rocket propelled grenade being fired at a Black Hawk.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPG7-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A milita member takes down Super Six 1, causing the first Black Hawk crash of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRPGhead.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An undetonated RPG warhead impales a duece and a half driver.]]<br />
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==Norinco Type 69==<br />
Along with [[RPG-7]]s, Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69|Norinco Type 69]] launchers are used by the militia.<br />
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 - 70mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69. Note how there is only one pistol grip and how he is holding the carry handle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDNorincoType69-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A militia member with a Type 69.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56 ==<br />
A full stock [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] is used by a Somalian to whack Mike Durant in the head. It has a slanted AKM syle muzzle break added on.<br />
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 with pig sticker type bayonet 7.62x39mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somali smacks Mike Durant across the face with a Norinco Type 56.]]<br />
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== Norinco Type 56-1 ==<br />
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Nearly all of the Somali gunmen are armed with the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]] assault rifle, which is a Chinese derivative of the [[AK-47|AKS-47]]/[[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]. They are identified by the hooded front sights, which only Chinese Kalashnikov rifles have.<br />
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[[Image:Type56S.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56-1 7.62x39mm.]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A "Skinny" dies firing his Type 56-1 ([[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]]).]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK47-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somali militiamen running with [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]].]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A round from this Norinco Type 56-1 causes the first KIA, Sgt. Dom Pilla, of the operation.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian fires his 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian kills Joyce with a shot to the chest with a Type 56-1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the hooded front sight on this Somalian's 56-1.]]<br />
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== AKS-74U ==<br />
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Mo'alim ([[Razaaq Adoti]]), the Somalian militia leader, carries an [[AKS-74U]] as his weapon of choice, first seen picking it up and inspecting it before heading into battle, then firing a burst into the air to break up the mob attacking one of the surviving Blackhawk pilots before announcing that he was to be taken alive as a prisoner. <br />
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[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-AK74.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim picks up and inspects an AKS-74U before heading into battle.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A clearer shot of the AKS-74U.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDAKS-74U-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mo'alim with his AKS-74U.]]<br />
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== SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle ==<br />
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At one point in the film, Somalis begin to bombard the building the majority of the Rangers and Deltas have taken cover in with mortars and an [[SPG-9 recoilless rifle]]. A group of Deltas soon kill the gunners and then turn the weapon against the Somalis, killing several with one shot before destroying the weapon with a thermite grenade.<br />
[[Image:BHDSPGRecoiless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Somalians fire the SPG-9 at the holed up Rangers and Deltas.]]<br />
[[Image:DeltaRR-edited.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deltas turn an SPG-9 recoilless rifle against it's Somali owners.]]<br />
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==Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher==<br />
Many of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series|M16A2s]] are fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]], standing in for the [[M203 grenade launcher]]. Most notably seen in the hands of Sgt. Ruiz of Cpt. Steele's ([[Jason Isaacs]]) unit. See flare launcher page for a guide on telling them apart. <br />
[[Image:Coltflare.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] 37mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger behind Cpt. Steele is seen armed with an M16A2/CM203. Note the squared trigger guard and cocking bolt on the right side.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDColtFlare-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steele gives the dying Sgt. Ruiz his M16A2/CM203, ordering him to give anyone two in the chest and one in the head if they enter the door.]]<br />
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== M203 Grenade Launcher ==<br />
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While the [[Colt Flare Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm launchers]] are fitted on most of the Ranger's [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles, a couple of actual [[M203 grenade launcher]]s attached to [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2s]] are seen, the most notable of which is Specialist John Grimes ([[Ewan McGregor]]) who assists Delta in taking out a ''technical'' that has them pinned down, missing the first shot before destroying the vehicle with a High-Explosive Dual-Purpose (HEDP) grenade from his M203.<br />
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[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M203 grenade launcher 40mm mounted on M16A2 5.56x45mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes with his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ranger in Eversmann's unit armed with an M16A2/M203]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes fires his M203 like a proper desk clerk, eyes closed. Cleary [[Ewan McGregor]] has never fired an M203, as his depiction of recoil is horrible]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes ejects a spent 40mm grenade cartridge]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM16A2-M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Here the trigger guard appears to have been removed]]<br />
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== M1911A1 ==<br />
We see the [[M1911A1]] pistol in the hands of the Delta operators as their sidearm of choice. As the two Delta snipers attempt to secure the second crash site they are forced to draw their M1911A1 pistols as the overwhelming Somali forces close in on them. Another Delta operator can be seen practicing with an M1911A1 near the beginning of the film. <br />
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Delta operator shows the Rangers what a real handgun can do. (That is, better firepower at the cost of running out of ammunition twice as quickly.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Gordon fires his M1911A1 at the Somalis. At one point his M1911A1 jams and the muzzle flashes are all CGI.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM1911A1shugart.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFC Shughart fires his M1911A1 after being wounded.]]<br />
[[Image:Blackhawk11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Delta Force Sgt. Sanderson with his M1911A1.]]<br />
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== Tokarev TT-33 ==<br />
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A Somali militiaman uses a [[Tokarev TT-33]] to kill SFC Shughart ([[Johnny Strong]]) at the second crash site.<br />
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Somalian unloads his TT-33 into SFC Shughart]]<br />
[[Image:BHDTT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of the TT-33]]<br />
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== Beretta M9 ==<br />
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The [[Beretta M92F#Beretta 92 FS|Beretta M9]] pistol is seen a few times in the film in the hands of Rangers, and members of McKnight's convoy. Mainly it is seen in the hands of Maddox in the Humvee. McKnight himself carries his M9 sidearm around as a proper means to defend himself.<br />
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M92FS 9x19mm.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Humvee driver, Maddox ([[Michael Roof]]) fires his M9.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McKnight is seen armed with his M9 when walking away from a Ranger, blown in half by an RPG.]]<br />
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== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==<br />
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Chief Warrant Officer Michael Durant ([[Ron Eldard]]), a Black Hawk pilot, is armed with a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with a slim forearm and uses it to defend himself after he's shot down. The MP5 was briefly issued to helicopter crews as a personal defense weapon (PDW), but was discontinued in this role when it was determined its' 9mm ammo lacked sufficient stopping power against armor-wearing or drug-crazed enemies, as was the case in Somalia. The guns is also briefly used by SFC Randy Shughart before being killed by the overwhelming militia.<br />
In the book and real life, the weapons were actually MP5Ks. They were referred to as "Skinny Popper, a reference to the men's nickname for the Somalis.<br />
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[[Image:H&KMP5A3slimforearm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9mm with slim handguard]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CWO Durant fires his Heckler & Koch MP5A3 at the approaching Somalians.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant with his H&K MP5A3.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Durant fires his H&K MP5A3 as Deltas carry him from his crashed chopper.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDMP5A3-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shughart gets killed while firing the MP5A3.]]<br />
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== Browning M2HB ==<br />
The [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun is fielded by both the U.S. Army HMMWVs, the U.N. APCs, and the Somali militia in the film. The opening shots of the film feature Somali militiamen slaughtering a gathered crowd at a food distribution center with the powerful fifty-cal. <br />
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mounting]] <br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The opening shots of Black Hawk Down.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-BrowningM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An Army HMMWV with a Browning M2HB mounted on the roof.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of Hoot firing the M2HB (Note that this was a movie blooper, since Hoot's hands are actually gloved.)]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hoot clearing the roof top of "skinnies" with an M2HB]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mean-faced Somali firing the M2HB]]<br />
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== GE M134 Minigun ==<br />
During the slaughter of the crowd, The U.S. forces hovering in the MH-60 aren't cleared to fire the [[GE M134 Minigun]]s mounted on their Black Hawk. Pylon-mounted miniguns are also carried by the AH-6 ''Little Birds'' and rain lead in several scenes.<br />
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|350px|GE M134 Minigun in 7.62x51mm NATO]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A GE M134 with flash suppressor.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M134-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of GE M134s on an AH-6 supplying close air support.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDM134.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A door gunner takes out RPG gunners with an M134.]]<br />
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== DShK Heavy Machine Gun ==<br />
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Several vehicle mounted Russian [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s appear in several scenes of the film. <br />
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[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Russian DShK 12.7x109mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Somali militia leader on a DShK.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A vehicle mounted DShK.]]<br />
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== M72 LAW ==<br />
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An Army Ranger, Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso, can be seen taking out a "technical" with an [[M72 LAW#|M72A3]]. The M72A3 was a Post Vietnam improved model of the M72 Rocket, and the last variation used by the U.S. Army. Upgrade versions (up to M72A7) of the LAW are being fielded by the U.S. Navy and USMC as recently as 2007.<br />
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[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lieutenant Tom DiTomasso takes aims at a technical.]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M72-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 66mm rocket fired from an [[M72 LAW|M72A3 LAW]] mid-flight.]]<br />
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==Remington 870==<br />
While never used on screen, Sgt. Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) can be seen with a customized [[Remington 870]] Express Magnum (standing in for an 870 Police Magnum) slung over his right shoulder. A pistol grip (minus the folding stock) is used in place of the full stock. This same setup is used on a short 870 by [[Charlie Sheen]] in the movie ''[[Navy SEALs]]''. <br />
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with folding stock (One seen in the movie lacked the folding stock).]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sanderson with his Remington 870 Express Magnum slung over his back. Note the full length barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close up of Sanderson's 870. Also a good shot of an M733 barrel.]]<br />
[[Image:BHDRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Receiver reads "Express Magnum" on Sanderson's 870. In real life it would have been a sturdier Police Magnum, not the cheaper, "economy priced" Express Magnum, though both are visually identical. The police magnum is the same shotgun, but built from stronger materials and has slightly different finish.]]<br />
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== M67 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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While loading up for the assault, Hoot ([[Eric Bana]]) picks up [[M67 hand grenade|M67 fragmentation hand grenades]]. Sgt. Sanderson is later seen throwing one into a window to take out a Somali who has him and the Deltas and Rangers pinned down.<br />
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[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|left|225px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M67 Hand Grenades]]<br />
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== M7A2 Hand Grenade ==<br />
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An [[M7A2]] CS gas grenade is seen sitting next to the M67 fragmentation hand grenades Hoot picks up. <br />
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[[Image:M7A2.gif|thumb|left|225px|ABC-M7A2 CS Gas Grenade]]<br />
[[Image:BHD-M67.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M7A2 CS Gas Grenade (far left)]]<br />
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