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Universal Soldier: Regeneration

2010-01-10T15:35:48Z

Oliveira: /* Arsenal AR */

[[Image:UniSolR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|''Universal Soldier: Regeneration (2009)]]
'''The following firearms can be seen in the film ''Universal Soldier: Regeneration'''
 

==Arsenal AR==
[[AK-47#Bulgarian AR|Arsenal AR]]'s are used by Russian troops, and a modernized version is used by NGU ([[Andrei Arlovski]]).
 
Mocked up [[AK-47#Bulgarian AR|Arsenal AR]]'s to look like AR-15s are used by all US forces, including Captain Kevin Burke ([[Mike Pyle]]) and Luc Deveraux ([[Jean Claude Van Damme]]).
[[Image:BulgAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Arsenal AR - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Universal-Soldier-Regeneration-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc Deveraux ([[Jean Claude Van Damme]]) and his Arsenal AR. From trailer.]]
[[Image:Universal-Soldier-Regeneration-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NGU ([[Andrei Arlovski]]) and his Arsenal AR. From trailer.]]

==Steyr AUG A2==
A suppressed [[Steyr_AUG#Steyr_AUG_A2_.2F_AUG_SR_-_Special_Receiver|Steyr AUG A2]] is used by Captain Kevin Burke ([[Mike Pyle]]) during his recon mission.
[[Image:SteyrAUGSR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A2 - 5.56x45mm]]

==M16A1==
UniSol 2's [[AK-47#Bulgarian AR|Arsenal AR]] switches to a [[M16A1]] just before being attacked by NGU ([[Andrei Arlovski]]).
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]

==Unknown Shotgun==
Found on the ground by Luc Deveraux ([[Jean Claude Van Damme]]), then used by him. Looks a bit like a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_500_Cruiser|Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]

==Unknown Pistol==
Used by Commander Topoff ([[Zahari Baharov]]). Possibly a Makarov PM.

==Unknown Machine Pistol==
Luc Deveraux's ([[Jean Claude Van Damme]]) sidearm is an unknown machine pistol.
[[Image:Universal-Soldier-Regeneration-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc Deveraux ([[Jean Claude Van Damme]]) and his machine pistol. From teaser.]]

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Dog Soldiers

2009-12-30T12:51:54Z

Oliveira: /* H&K SR9(T) */

'''The following weapons were seen in the film ''Dog Soldiers'':'''
[[Image:Dogsoldiers.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|right|Dog Soldiers (2002)]]__TOC__ 

==SA80==
[[SA80]]'s are used by the British Army team during the training exercise at the start of the film, with military blank adapters and SUSAT sights attached. They are later ditched when the team discover the dead Special Ops team, as they would be useless against a real threat.

[[Image:Sal8.jpg|thumb|none|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sa8001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Wells disembarks the helicopter with his SA80 in hand.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sa8002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Private Witherspoon with his SA80.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sa8003.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Terry panic-fires his SA80 when the team has a dead cow thrown at them.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sa8004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Wells with his SA80.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
The [[Browning Hi-Power]] is used many times throughout the film, first by Captain Ryan ([[Liam Cunningham]]) during Private Coopers ([[Kevin McKidd]]) Special Ops training, then by Sgt. Wells ([[Sean Pertwee]]) during the attack on the farmhouse, and finally by Pvt. Cooper to kill Ryan in his werewolf form.

On an interesting note, during Cooper's training, Ryan's Browning doesn't have a magazine in the gun yet he manages to chamber a round then shoot a dog in the head and not have the slide lock back.

:If there's no mag in the gun, then of course the slide won't lock back. The magazine has to be in the gun for that to happen. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Commercial Browning Hi Power Mark III - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers hi power01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Captain Ryan holds his Hi-Power on Cooper.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers hi power02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|You can see here that the gun is unloaded, note the empty magazine well.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers hi power03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ryan hands the Hi-Power to Cooper, telling him to kill one of the dogs chasing him]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] is first seen during Pvt Coopers Special Ops training and are later taken from the dead Special Ops camp.

[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers mp501.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the hands of the soldier to the left.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers mp502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers mp503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooper spots an MP5A2 when arriving at the camp.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers mp504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bruce with his MP5A2.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers mp505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Wells with his MP5A2]]

==H&K SR9(T)==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch SR9(T)]] with the scope removed and a 20-round magazine is used by Private "Spoon" Witherspoon ([[Darren Morfitt]]) and then by Private. Terry Milburn ([[Leslie Simpson]]) after swapping his MP5A2 for it. After Terry is taken and killed by the werewolves this weapon is not seen again throughout the rest of the film, although he was not shown holding it when taken. The rifle used in the movie had difficulty handling blanks and the bolt had to be manually cycled occasionally. The reason for the scope removed and the 20 round magazine is most likely because the SR9 is supposed to be a stand in for a H&k G3A3.

[[ Image:H&KSR9T.jpg‎ |thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch SR9(T). This is a 'faux' SR9(T) movie gun converted from an HK91, with an SG/1 style buttstock (instead of the correct MSG90 style) and PSG trigger pack - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sr901.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spoon aims the SR9(T) at Ryan.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sr902.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Spoon fires the SR9(T) during the escape from the forest.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers sr903.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note finger off the trigger (which all the actors in this movie do) like a real soldier.]]
[[Image:Dog soldier sr904.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The SR9(T) leans against the wall while Spoon secures the window.]]

==Mossberg 500 ==
A [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun is taken from the Special Ops camp and is used by Pvt. Joe Kirkley ([[Chris Robson]]) throughout the farmhouse attack.

[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers m50001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joe aims the shotgun at Ryan.]]
[[Image:Dog soldiers m50002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joe with the shotgun before the first attack. Again note finger off the trigger.]]
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Talk:Team Fortress 2

2009-12-30T12:15:53Z

Oliveira: /* Sniper's SMG: Could it be a MAS-38? */

The pistol can't be the p5, the p5 came out in the seventies, and tf2 takes place in 1968.

:Right, but the game itself wasn't MADE in 1968, so that doesn't prevent the designers from putting it into the game. Is this even a serious question?
::I think it resembles a Walther PPK/S more than a p5. The barrel is too short for a p5
:::I think it actually looks more like a Makarov than a PPK if you look at the rear, but that's just me.

I thought that it looked like a P5 compact. if you look at the pictures of the P5 compact on The Bourne Identity page, you will see that it looks very similar to the pistol in the game.

== Non gun weapons ==
Should we put in the other weapons in the game that are not guns? I'm talking about the Sniper Bow, Jarate, and the Medic's Needle Gun. And maybe the sandvich, though that may be too much. [[GunKatas]][[Special:Contributions/139.78.74.168|139.78.74.168]] 20:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC) (I'm using a public computer, that's why my IP is showing).
:We don't put weapons that are not firearms in pages. The expection being military equipment.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:43, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::I know that, but I was thinking in terms of Rambo's Knife and Torque Bow, things like that.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::I also forgot to mention the flamethrower.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:We could do the Flamethrower. But not the Needle gun, the Sniper Bow and obviously not Jarate.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Sniper's SMG: Could it be a MAS-38? ==

Hey guys, I think the sniper's SMG might not be a C96 variant - to me, it looks more like a stockless variant of the French MAS-38 submachine gun.
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/MAS-38.jpg]

What do you think? [[Special:Contributions/76.188.220.163|76.188.220.163]] 00:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:I see why you think it is the MAS-38 but I think that would be a bit of a stretch. It is definitely NOT a C96 though. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:22, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I think it is more similar to the chinese Type 80, a heavily modified and simplified version of the Mauser C96... Take a look here: http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hg153-e.htm
[[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]] 13:08, 30 December 2009
:I think the SMG is fictional. Just like the Sniper's Rifle.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Soldiers Rocket Launcher ==

To me it looks more like a stylized [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Carl_Gustaf._recoilless.rifle.jpg/300px-Carl_Gustaf._recoilless.rifle.jpg Carl Gustav.] What do y'all think?

--[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
:In all honesty it just looks like an [[RPG-7]] without the actual warhead attached. Most likely the developers simply choose the design of the RPG-7 and simply used artistic license to not have the warhead poking out of the front so it functions like a traditional Bazooka. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

2009-12-26T23:34:55Z

Oliveira: /* Aardvark */

==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Armored

2009-12-26T23:28:42Z

Oliveira: Now, it's only incomplete.

{{incomplete}}
''''The following firearms can be seen in the 2009 Crime film ''Armored'''
[[Image:Armoredposter09.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Armored (2009)'']]__TOC__ 

==Glock 17==
[[Glock 17]] pistols are the sidearms of the armored truck guards, including Ty Hackett ([[Columbus Short]]).

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 - 9mm]]
[[Image:Armoured-Trailer-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of Mike Cochrone's ([[Matt Dillon]]) Glock 17. From trailer.]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
Bank guards that are loading up the money into the truck are armed with [[M4A1 Carbine]]s.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Armoured-Trailer-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guards with their M4A1's. From trailer.]]

==Benelli M4==
Baines ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) is seen fooling around with a [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns|Benelli M4]] shotgun fitted with a high capicity magazine tube while in the locker room. He describes the weapon briefly before stating that he wishes someone would attempt to rob them so he would have an opportunity to use it.

[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Armoured-Trailer-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baines ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) with his Benelli M4. From trailer.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
The police officer who responds to the armored car's siren ([[Milo Ventimiglia]]) is seen with a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]] in his holster.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]

Talk:Air America

2009-12-23T15:56:30Z

Oliveira: Oh shit. It's actually the talk page.

Tim Thomerson is carrying the 1911A1 when he and Billy crash at the abandoned airstrip (2nd time for Billy Covington) during the setup to be found with the dope in their plane. Art LeFleur (Neely) is carrying what looks like a SIG P226 when the C123 that he, Billy and Kwan were in crashes the first time at the abandoned strip and General Soong picks up his opium. This gun would not have been available in the late-60s or early-70s.-[[User:harleyguy|harleyguy]]

Talk:Air America

2009-12-23T15:55:20Z

Oliveira:

{{noeffort}}
Tim Thomerson is carrying the 1911A1 when he and Billy crash at the abandoned airstrip (2nd time for Billy Covington) during the setup to be found with the dope in their plane. Art LeFleur (Neely) is carrying what looks like a SIG P226 when the C123 that he, Billy and Kwan were in crashes the first time at the abandoned strip and General Soong picks up his opium. This gun would not have been available in the late-60s or early-70s.-[[User:harleyguy|harleyguy]]

M1903

2009-12-23T15:48:37Z

Oliveira: I fucked up.

Delete this.

M1903

2009-12-23T15:47:23Z

Oliveira:

#M1903 [[M1903 Springfield]]

M1903

2009-12-23T15:45:21Z

Oliveira: New page: M1903 #M1903 Springfield

M1903 #[[M1903 Springfield]]

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-12-22T21:41:02Z

Oliveira: /* Doom BFG */

== Where this goes ==

I think this should be merged into the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::Being the first page of the Fictional firearms listing, it helps new members to not have to wade through the entire rules listing to see it. Also it keeps visitors from being confused as to the separate listing of these weapons. Just because we all know the rules doesn't mean that visitors can quickly figure it out, it helps to segregate it when it helps the new visitors figure out how we are organizing things [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, so there is going to be more pages about fictional firearms? Ok then. I didn't know that.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
a few months ago i made a halo page. ok none of the weapons exist but i recently found a movie called HALO: landfall its directed by Neil blokamp the same guy as district 9. maybe does this make it qualify for the site. not the game but the movie. they are all based off of the halo guns. [[smish34|smish34]]
:Were they made of real weapons? Like in [[Aliens]]?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

i have no idea. also were you the one that commented on my discussion page about how i think the halo b,rifle looks like an XM8 an FAMAS. but they fully fire on the film. watch it on youtube.
:Yeah, I did say that. I also watched the film. The weapons were all obviously fake props or airsoft replicas. The Muzzle flashes were all CGI. I think the only weapon that looked real was the Minigun on the back of the jeep. We'll need more users to come and watch the film to see if the weapons are built on real guns.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

ok thats a good idea

Shouldn't this page be locked from editing? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:34, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
==Doom BFG==
:According to the criteria for fictional weapons the [[(Doom) - BFG]] should be deleted. Mainly rule # 5 >"Fantasy weapons which have no basis in real weapons technology do not belong here. So a Force Lance from "Andromeda" or a Klingon Disruptor from "Star Trek" or a Light Sabre from "Star Wars" do not qualify. No one would ever wonder if these weapons really exist today. " --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
::I disagree. That page is very educational and the BFG has appeared in the Doom movie and the gun has been referenced in popular culture a lot. It should stay.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:42, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
You are disregarding the fact that the BFG is disqualified from being on IMFDB via the rules regarding the listing of fictional firearms. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
:::You know what? Fuck it. It's a interesting page and all that but fuck it. I already fight enough with people on Wikipedia over pages. Delete it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-12-22T20:42:03Z

Oliveira: /* Doom BFG */

Talk:Public Enemies

2009-12-16T01:08:32Z

Oliveira: /* Screencaps */

==Firearms in "Public Enemies" Trailer==
The "unidentified rifle" is actually the Remington Model 8 autoloader. Another semiauto rifle appears in the very last screenshot under the Thompson SMG section. While the bank robber in the foreground has a Thompson, the guy in the background is armed with what appears to be a Winchester Model 1907. Look closely at how the guy is holding the weapon at the trigger guard, it's obvious there's no pistol grip there and it's actually a stocked rifle. This particular rifle is modified with a vertical foregrip so at first glance it does appear to be a Thompson. These rifles were used by the Dillinger gang and can be seen in this photo of confiscated weapons: http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3.html In the photo, a Winchester modified with a muzzle brake is right next to the Thompson.
I also think I saw a Remington Model 11 autoloading shotgun in the trailer. It was in the hands of the FBI agent who bursts into Dillinger's room and knocks him down.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Phillb36 - you are absolutely correct that the rifle in the backround is a Winchester 1907 - you can clearly see the distinctive 10-round magazine - good call! This should be a heck of a good movie.

==Can't Wait To See This==
I'm glad Michael Mann is back to making gun heavy movies (and ones that don't suck like Miami Vice...) and hope this has the same aspects as Heat. Prohibition is a great time for films to cover. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yeah, I'm really excited about this one myself. The trailer alone was really cool. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I read the script a few months ago and it looks pretty good. Although not 100% accurate, it does a really good job telling the true story of Dillinger and I think it'd be a great return to form for Mann, I'm really pumped for it. -[[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

Nyles here, didn't bother logging in. Man At Arms For The Gun Collector has an interesting article in the current issue that claims Dillinger carried a Super 38, not a .45 Government Model, and that the infamous machine pistols were also .38 Supers.
::Dillinger carried .38 Supers, but we won't simply claim that on the page as one anonymous user kept doing (with poor grammer/spelling) because we don't actually know that they didn't just use .45s. Since Steve took photos of some of the guns used in this movie (note the M1911A1 from the film in the picture is in .45 ACP), he'd likely know if any of the guns were in .38 Super. Just assuming isn't good gun identification. Also, I think Purvis favored the .38 Super as well, but I may be wrong on that. As for the revolvers used in the movie, wait till the DVD comes out before we ID those, we can't play that as well by memory. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

What was the shoulder rig Depp used??

== Colt Terminology ==

There's some incorrect terminology used in this (and, technically, many other) articles in the site, but on this one it's really noticable. M1911 and M1911A1 only refers to pistols made for the US military - pistols made for the civilian market, with or without the A1 modifications, were called the 1911 Government Model. Now, that's a nitpicky point, since they're commonly refered to as 1911s today, and you usually have to see the markings to know the difference (though by the same token that's like calling every Beretta 92 an M9).

But what makes it glaring here is calling a .38 Super an M1911A1. It's not the same gun - not only was it not a military-issue pistol (the US military, since it's introduction in 1932, has acquired a grand total of 2 .38 Supers, depending on if you count a few hundred for the OSS), Colt didn't even consider it the same as a Government Model. It was sold as the Super 38, and that IS the commonly accepted term for it. Seems to me if we know it's a .38 Super, then we should be calling it a Super 38.
::Visit the M1911 pistol series page for an explaination on why we call them M1911A1s, regardless. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::: I agree that it's pointless to try and differentiate M1911s from commerical 1911s (though I'd rather see them just called 1911s instead of M1911s), but a Super 38 isn't an M1911A1 OR a Government Model, it's a Super 38. I'm not saying it needs it's own page but it ought to have it's own heading on the 1911 page. Although it's kinda of a moot point, looking at the prop I see it's a 1960s era gun that they slapped some (incorrect) double diamond grips on, and by then production of .38 Supers actually had merged with the .45s.

Nyles: What you are say is correct in a way. The sales staff at Colt still called it a 1911 Government Model even though the pistol had the 1911A1 modifications to it. So to everyone out there that sees it it's a 1911A1 even the Colt Model 1927 pistols so to Brazil. The .38 Super like the .22 Ace is still based on the 1911A1 Government Model frame as only the top end is different. There is no point to make a sepparate page for the .38 Super variation. I know it's good to point this out but I agree was Gunmaster45 that it should stay the same. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 23:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm nor saying that we should make a seperate page, I say that quite clearly up there. Just that you shouldn't call a Super 38 an M1911. We differentiate between a 1911A1 and a Series 70, when the only difference is the barrel, a gun marketed under a different name, in a different caliber, using a different system for headspacing, should also be differentiated.

Also, the Model 1927 wasn't made for Brazil, it was for and in Argentina. Brazil used the S&W M1937, which was an updated M1917 revolver.

:I wouldn't be totally opposed to making a separate entry on the 1911 page for the 38 Super. Only question is, do we know of any other movies besides ''Public Enemies'' that have used one? If not, then it seems just a tad pointless. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::The only .38 Super used in the movie was the machine pistol and it was changed to 9mm so what is the problem. You are shoveling .... on this the 1911 is the original configuration, the 1911A1 is a 1911 with governmernt changes, the series 70 has changes and the series 80 has changes. Each weapon had the designation changed either offically or unoffically to acknowledge the changes so what is the problem on this. Is the 38 super a completely different weapon the the 1911A1? The answer is no as you are talking about 7 parts in the top end and the frames and lower parts are all the same. I agree with MT2008 that it would be pointless to make a separate entry for it just not the differance. This is a listing of 1911 style handguns used in film not a Colt Automatic Pistol website with all change and part variations. The handguns used in the film are 1911A1 pre-war commercial pistols in .45 used to represent Dillingers .38 Super pistols. The machine pistol shoild have a separate entry as it might show up in another movie.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 09:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

==1901 shotgun==

Why would a lever gn need to be converted to fire blanks? I thought maually operated guns could cycle blanks anyway?
:Nope. Shoot, chamber a new round. Lever, pump, and bolt actions dont need to be blank converted, only automatics. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:To be honest, I'm actually not 100% sure about this (I'll have to ask again). But as best I know, manually-operated guns are still internally plugged in many cases for safety reasons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Public Enemies film firearms==
What happened to all the photos of the screen used firearms in this movie?--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I had to take them down because certain parties got upset and I feared there might be legal consequences. I can't really say much more than that. It is a shame, because they were awesome pictures, but I do have to take precautions. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's unfortunate, were the parties that got upset the ones who sent the images? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. We are just displaying pictures. We're not asking for a price or selling anything. I can never see how photos of certain things be a problem with copyright issues. Is there a way to ask the parties that own the photos to allow us to display them again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== The soap gun ==

Wasn't this photo of the scene at the Crown Point jail and Dillinger was using a fake gun made out of soap or wood to threaten guards? Cause this was in the 1911 section

I think the real one was made out if wood look like a Colt Detective Special

[[Image:Publen-1911a2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Machine Pistol==
Can someone show me what a Colt.38 super looks like up close? I need help as the prop gun made by ISS pic was removed.
::I'm not sure, but here's a drawing of it. It kinda looks weird to me.
[[Image:Colt39machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A drawing of a [[M1911A1|Colt .38 Super]] converted into a machine pistol with the Muzzle break, Thompson front pistol grip, and extended magazine. Note how I suck at drawing the front grip.]]
This is what a machine pistol coverted version of the M1911A1 might look like.

Hope this helps!! - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3. html

that has a picture of Dillinger's actual guns.

'colt 38 super' really means 'colt 1911 chambered in 38 super' Externally a gun chambered in 38 super will look like the same model in 45acp. Dillinger's gun is a semicustom gun. Dillinger had a longer barrel added, had an extended magazine, and had the front pistolgrip of a thompson SMG added.

Tell your propmaker to copy the standard 'government' 1911, make a fake extended magazine, make a fake barrel poking out 2 inchs beyond the frame of the gun, and attach a thompson forend pistolgrip. You should be able to collect pictures of the specific parts and he should be able to cobble it together

== Purvis' Rifle ==

Nice thought with the Mannlicher-Schonauer (in fact that probably would have been more appropriate), but the rifle is definately a Mauser. The Mannlicher-Schonauer had the standard Mannlicher split-bridge receiver, whereas that has a solid Mauser action with the bolt handle behind the receiver bridge. The flat "butterknife" bolt handle was a popular feature on German sporting rifles in the early 20th century, and can still be found.

EDIT: This is Nyles by the way. My Afghan net isn't letting me log in today.

Also, I'm pretty sure that after the jail break scene in the beginning, when they hole up at the whorehouse, you see Dillingers right hand man with a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer tucked into his waistband. It's kind of hard to tell on the pirated copy I bought at the KAF market.

== Screencaps ==

Anybody know how to take screencaps on VLC media player? It's the only DVD player I have on my computer and it won't take the screencaps properly. I'm wondering if anybody knows how to do it.
:There is a screencap button on the toolbar. Are you having trouble finding the pics after you take them? You need to go to Tools, then Preferences at the bottom. Click video that is where you set up the directory where the pics go. Also change the pic type to jpeg, png's take up too much room. You can also change the pic name too. For Public Enemies you change the prefix to PE-. Hope that helps.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks, that helped a lot.
::Also sign your posts by clicking the signature button on the edit bar.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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==Apocalypse Now==
First format problem. You can ditch the page links in the categories (meaning the gun names in the double equal signs). Second thing. I only wrote just the gun name in the description section on Extreme Prejudice because I didn't know what to write at all. When you know, don't put the linked gun name first, just write the description and link the gun name when it shows up in the text. Example:

==M79 grenade launcher==

<nowiki>An [[M79 grenade launcher]] is used by The Roach ([[Credit Actor using IMDB]]) to kill NVA hiding in the barbed wire. His has a custom tiger stripe camouflage paint job.
</nowiki>

Understand? Use the M1911A1 section as reference. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

I know, I was planning on it. The roach text was already written. Just put the gun link before it so I wouldn't forget about. I was planning on uploading the images first then doing the text. But you can write the text, no prob for me. [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::I don't remember the movie well enough to write the descriptions, but I'll fix any mistakes you make when you finish. BTW, check out your profile, I set it up so you can work with it. I also added your Desert Eagle pic to the [[Desert Eagle]] page. Let me know when you need me to build the Year of the Dragon page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== test ==

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==The Desert Eagle==

That's a nice piece you've got there. It's good we have a picture of the Mark I on this site, because pictures of that version are extremely rare on the Internet, yet I know there are quite a few movies from the 1980s which feature them (I'm adding your picture to pages for some of those movies as we speak). I think this really might just be the best picture of this gun anywhere on the 'Net. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

==Uzi Magazines==
the reason Uzi Magazines are seen in an L shape is that there is a clip or bracket that looks like a twisted eight that can be used to attach a pair of magazines together. if you poke around Uzitalk I'm sure you can find what I am talking about. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

==Miami Vice==
Thank you for starting to work on the ''[[Miami Vice]]'' page. It needed a serious re-vamping and it's starting to look good now. Keep up the good work! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. I'm mad that I don't have the DVDs, but I think I remember the episodes well enough to write some descriptions. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, I can't. My camera doesn't work anymore, which really pisses me off. But watching it on Hulu might help me be able to write some descriptions. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Ruger Mini-14/AC556 pic ==

Thanks! Also, I created a [[Philip Michael Thomas]] page. Some of the guns on the page aren't on the [[Miami Vice]] page yet, but I remember them very well. Check it out when you get a chance. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

== "No Exit" ==

Good job on the screencaps from the Miami Vice episode "No Exit". I wanted to just say that at the beginning, Castillo uses what I think is a stainless Smith & Wesson Model 29. Can you get a picture of that? Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know he doesn't contribute much, but he doesn't mean anything by it. When I was editing all of the Grand Theft Auto pages, he did it too, but he's really just trying to help by given us some tips. Although, I didn't really think what you wrote was "not acceptable by wiki standards". You just forgot quotation marks is all. I don't think it was anything for him to get bent out of shape over. But lets just put it behind us now. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, and I don't want to sound really picky because I know you have a lot of capping to do, but there was kind-of a better shot of Castillo's gun from the side view just after the shot that you took. It's an important shot because it identifies his gun as a S&W Model 29. If you could try to get that one, that would be super. Again, sorry if I'm being picky but I'm positive some annoying user is going to come across that picture and say "How is that a Model 29? You can only see that top of the gun. You guys are wrong." That second shot will prevent that from happening. Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, you're right about that. And I don't know why he's being like that, as opposed to like thanking you for the great job you are doing. But I think we should just forget about it unless he keeps bringing it up of course. I'll deal with him if it keeps happening. And I'm soooo happy to hear you are doing "Glades" right now! That's one of my favorite episodes. I know there was an episode before that, though: "The Great McCarthy", but I'm assuming you didn't cap them because there weren't many guns in that episode. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 20:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Miami Vice ==

I only have Season 2 although some of the discs don't work, so I will do most of season 2. When I get to the episodes I can't cap because the discs are screwed up, I'll let you know and you can pick up where I left off. Sound good? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, so I capped "Florence Italy" (which was only 1 picture lol) and that's as far as I can go because the disc is all messed up and it won't play. So when you are done with Season 1, pick up at "French Twist" and finish Season 2. I hope I made it easier for you by capping most of Season 2 (of course I'll still help you with descriptions and such; I want to see this page through to the end). Peace. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::That's funny you say that because I've been thinking the same thing. That is a good idea. I know a lot of the TV pages on this site that have a lot of guns (for instance, ''[[The Unit]]'') do that, so I think we should do it. In fact, you keep screencapping and I'll do it for you. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:There were two pics I was wondering if you could get, both from "Sons and Lovers". The first is during the hostage situation, Switek is standing next to an SRT member with a Mossberg 500. I know we have a lot of those pics, but this one is black, not wooden, so it'd be good to put up. The second is the pic of Crockett firing the MAC-10 at Calderone's men. I know we have a lot of those too, so 1 pic is enough. Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::Awesome! First two seasons are done. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hey, could you get like 1 or 2 shots of Crockett's new S&W? Just so I could put some up for now until better ones come along. Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:1 should be enough. Yeah, they changed it after Season 2 for two reasons: 1) The company that made Bren Tens, Dornaus & Dixon, went bankrupt and 2) Smith & Wesson just unveiled their 2nd gen pistols and the producers wanted to keep up with Crockett having a State of the Art pistol. They did this again after Season 4 when S&W unveiled their 3rd gen pistols, so Crockett's gun changed from a 645 to a 4506. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::For the State of the Art reason, and the fact that Michael Mann thought that the Bren Ten is better contrast at night (which is why Crockett's gun is always chrome or stainless) they got rid of the SIG. I put the pink one up because I figured that it was the title screen from when the show was in its heyday. Whenever I watch the show and it has the light purple screen, it indicates to me that the episode isn't going to be very good (Season 3 is when the show started going downhill). But it's not a big deal to me, so we'll keep it. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:29, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I take that back. I haven't seen much of Season 3. I've just heard from people. Some say it was good, some say it was bad. Actually, I wanted to tell you: Since I haven't seen Season 3, could you just write the episode names on the pics? I could write the descriptions just by looking at the picture, but I need the episode names. And I think I remember Seasons 4 and 5 well enough to help you with descriptions, so it should be fine. And since you haven't seen 4 and 5, you're in for quite a disappointment lol. Those seasons were terrible, especially 4 (although there were a few good episodes). -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, do you want me to put up the picture of Switek's Hi-Power? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 01:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::Hey, I have kind of a personal emergency that I need to tend to. I'll be out of town for about a week. Can you finish the descriptions on Miami Vice for me? I really appreciate it. I'll try to get on here as much as I can, but I don't know how often that will be. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know. I feel the same way. But it's a real pain to have to wait for it to load, so let's just see how people like it. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
::I think maybe you should go back over Season 3 and get some more screencaps of the guns that we have little or no pictures of. I know you're not wild about the idea, but now that Miami Vice has been divided, Season 3 looks pretty bare right now, so it would really help. Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== Columbian Bullshit ==
I know. I fixed it. Is just that there is so many pages on this site that refer to Colombians as Columbians. I also find ignorant that people don't know about Colombia. It's not like the Country is a obscure Country that never had relations to the United States. It's not like there was never any Colombian Immigrants come to America.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:Ha! At least you are self-aware. Anyway, I'm continue my Columbian-Colombian Crusade and fix the ones in the [[Toy Soldiers]] page. See you around cowboy.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== Re: "Rafa" ==

I was just thinking about doing so if he kept editing it. But if you think I should do it now to prevent further discord, I will. I'll just tell him that it's currently being revamped and that we'll get new pictures when we get to those episodes and just be patient. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I just wrote to him. But we should do that anyway. Either on the main page or the talk page. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::Ok cool. I'll do it right now. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Take a Look ==

Lol. That's all I need to say. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 21:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

==S&W 669 in Miami Vice==

[[Image:MV-SW659-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jake Pierson commendeers the thug's Smith & Wesson 669 and holds it on him in "El Viejo".]]

Isn't this an older-model [[Smith & Wesson 6906]]? It clearly has the ambidextrous safety, whereas all of the 669s I've seen only had the safety on the left side of the slide. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Oh, wait, ignore what I said...it turns out that the later-model 669s did in fact come with the ambidextrous safety. Plus, the 6906 had not yet been introduced at the time that the episode aired. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

==BB gun TEC 9==
That fake gun appears all the time, so I think I should photograph mine and put up a page for it or add it to the "replica/Copy" section of the TEC-9 page. They're hard to find nowadays, as are LOTS of the old Airsoft, pump action BB guns from the 1970s/1980s/1990s. Remember if you run across any of these toy guns, they're worth a lot of money now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Planet Terror==
I figure it'd be a better idea to do the whole Grindhouse set (including the commercials in between movies) on one page instead of just doing Planet Terror alone. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::In that case, go for it. ;) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::The M16 looks like it has an A2 receiver but A1 sights, which would make it a Colt Model 715 (basically the Colt Canada C7, but available for civilians). Then again, it could be an A2 but it's hard to tell. See if the movie offers any better shots. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Miami Vice Season 2==
Yeah I did. I'll put those in soon. You can go ahead and put yours in as well. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
:I have two requests: First, I would like a shot of Zito's S&W 659 from the beginning of "Bushido" (my DVDs finally gave up on me :( Second, I would like a picture of an SRT member's Winchester Model 70 from "Sons and Lovers". This will help makes Season 2 look more complete. Thanks! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== PNG to JPEG ==
Yes that helps alot. thanks. Now I have to add screencaps to the pages that I actually created. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Try not to overdo it with screencaps==
Especially on pages where other members or mods have done 99% of the work (they might get irked). Sure I've replaced or added to pages, but those were sparse entries or I was replacing crappy screenshots. I was just concerned that you were adding tons of new pics to the T3 page. My apologies if I edited any changes you made, I was doing another Mod maintenance sweep. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Sorry for the delay in response==
IMFDB has a policy that screenshots can be replaced by better shots, or full frame (4:3) shots can be replaced by the more preferable 16:9 wide screen shots (by anyone) Someone can replace anyone's screenshots if the replacing screenshots are clearly superior in quality. Blurry or just bad screencaps can be replaced at any time and the author can't really complain since the purpose of IMFDB is to present the best page possible, not worry about stepping on anyone's ego. But you seemed to have missed the point with screenshots with those particular shots. The point is not to just show the actor with the guns but also have the shot be clear and most importantly, have a clear shot of the gun. Those shots of Nick Stahl and Claire Danes firing were simply bad shots. All you could see was muzzle flash. You couldn't see the gun clearly and the actor's faces weren't clear. Heck, anyone with bluray shots are free to replace any shots on the site, but the mods are starting to police more the quality of the screenshots. There have been fights in the past where people are pissed that their screenshots were replaced, when the replacing screenshots were clearly superior. we have a simple rule that the replacing or additional material must be clearly SUPERIOR in quality or have new information. Now other Mods have other viewpoints. Some of them like a lot of screenshots, and we've fought over that. I personally dont' think we need 20 shots of a gun for each section. And the fact that Bunni (our head sysop) had to replace the servers with new ones primarily because of memory overload sent the message that we should not overburden the pages with extra images. I do apologize for the abruptness of the action. There were a lot of mess to clean up with other user and I swept through that page quickly drastically. But also people need to start either capturing at a higher quality level or learn to use image editing software. Cleaning up screencaps is an ongoing maintenance that users will have to get used to. And we're overloaded right now, since there are tons of new members who are uploading tons and tons of new stuff every day.

Here for example is a reload: One replaced the OTHER on the movie page.
[[Image:Uncommon_Valor_2_sks3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:UV-SKSSoldierA.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Anyway, my apologies for the abrupt change. We go on deletion sweeps from time to time. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

==I'm asking all members to stop with the sarcastic comments in the screencap descriptions==
Too many members feel it's funny to be extremely sarcastic about actor's shooting stance, their blinking, their pistol grips. Only if it's so over the top as for the average person to notice, then don't keep on harping on it. Most actors are given only a bare amount of time to train, if at all. Many times the editor picks the worst take for pistol grip, but best take for other reasons like acting. Also much of the blame falls on the director. Some directors don't want to be bothered trying to train the actors and don't allow us armorers to even give them more training than the minimum safety training. People in the industry check out this website, and some think we're a bunch of obnoxious kids. I am not happy when people in 'the biz' look at the site and scoff at the snarky remarks. Some of them are the actual actors being insulted. We can always put in criticism, but IMFDB members going forward going to criticize a film, should try to do so in a scholarly manner or not at all. Thanks for your cooperation [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==Planet Terror==
'''Great work on the Planet Terror page!''' Hahaha. You were the first to link my Shot of a Stainless Colt Python. I am waiting for some replacement grips, but I also have the same Ruger Revolver in the section as well. I'll get a shot of it soon. Actually I've been waiting for some pearl grips for it so I can photograph it for the [[Halloween (2007)]] page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Predator 2 ==
Yeah. I'm going to start working on Predator 2 when i get done with We Were Soldiers. It would be great if you could help me with the Predator 2 page. If you do help me, help me after i get done with We Were Soldiers, okey?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:A few shots of the DSHK, some screencaps and the M1911A1s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
::And an Mosin Nagant.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Check this user ==

Spammer has been terminated, thank you for the report. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

==Re:==

''Do you just don't like the .308 round or is it those rifles themselves? I have a Mini-14 in .223 and an LIA1 in 7.62. (Also I know you were talking about the M14 not Mini-14, I listed it because of the .223 caliber comparison) I like them both, the calibers and the rifles. But when it comes to the caliber debate for the military use. It think it depends a lot on the situation they're in. Close quarters, urban .223 / 5.56 all the way. Big open areas and even the jungles where the enemy could be a good distance away .308 / 7.62.''

Both. I respect the .308's importance and various uses, but not in a general-issue infantry/CQB weapon. I don't think it's a mistake that we (and the rest of the world) went to .223/5.56x45mm. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Payback revision==
I just wanted to commend you for removing a lot of the snarky comments that have plagued the ''[[Payback]]'' article for a long time now.
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Duty calls (haha) ==

Hey, Predator. I think its time that we should get back to work on ''[[Miami Vice]]''. Wouldn't you agree? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 08:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I figured you might have been kinda burnt out (I was too), so when I saw you weren't really adding many for a month, I thought it would be best to take a break. Thats good that you are going back over the seasons. I know that season 3 still needs more work (maybe just go back over the whole thing). I also saw in ''The Hit List'' from Season 1, in the scene where Lt. Rodriuguez gets killed, the Vice cop who is with Crockett carries a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] with stag grips. Also I was thinking about implementing the [[District 9]] format on the Vice pages. For instance, a 1911 and a Colt Commander would go under the sub section of "Colt M1911 series". What do you think? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::Great job with the screencaps! Could you do me a favor and fill in the remaining descriptions for me? I only ask because you've obviously seen the episodes, and therefore YOU know who all the characters are haha. Also, when you go back over Seasons 1-3 for the extra screenshots, I'll also be going over the past few seasons and improving the descriptions. There are some guns were at the beginning of the category say "several characters use Colt Pythons throughout the season." I'll be adding more detailed descriptions that give instances where the gun was used, instead of the generic ones I previously wrote. 2 more seasons.... :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think you are the first one who hasn't noticed the ejector port on Tubbs' shotgun, so don't worry lol. Whenever I look on the internet to see what type of shotgun Tubbs uses, everyone only mention the Ithaca 37. There is never any mention of the Remington 870. But now we know :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Escape from New York ==

I labeled that film as incomplete as some of the pics are lacking captions and some sections (not counting the crossbow and the like) don't have weapon pictures. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: This guy ==

Oh, wow, I never even noticed that. He was also in two episodes of [[Nash Bridges]] as well as the [[Miami Vice (2006)]] movie. It says he is the only actor to appear in both the show and the movie. I just noticed that some of the images I posted on Season 2 are PNGs (!), so once I finish the Season 3 descriptions, I'll change them. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Your Guns ==

I never saw the pics of your guns until now. That's quite a nice collection you have. Nowadays, I mostly just see Glocks or SIGs or HKs in someone's "arsenal", but you've got a nice variety. All those guns I listed above are nice, but most people who just like to "say" they like guns buy them. They don't bother to buy some really ''classic'' guns like you have. I especially like the nickel S&W 586. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 19:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
:While that's good you're getting your Grandma a bigger gun, you should've taken a picture of the Colt Challenger for the [[Miami Vice - Season 1]] page. That was the gun that DeSoto uses when he kills Leon in the pilot episode (right now we have a Colt Woodsman pictured)! Not a big deal though. I look forward to seeing your new pics. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

==You won't believe this==
Score! I've been holding off uploading these because I'm still waiting on an image for the [[Heartbreak Ridge']] page (their weapons are set up slightly differently) so I hope people will wait to update that page until I can get a good image for that page.

===Say Hello to My Little Friend!!!===
[[Scarface]] fans will crap in their pants. Got the ACTUAL '''screen used''' LITTLE FRIEND. Now I used black gaffers tape and taped two 30 round magazines together as best I could (to try to match the screenshots). Do you think that was smart? or should I just present it with a plain magazine? Anyway, I did that because I wanted people to see it as it was most seen in the movie (Wow that launcher is beat up, it's been 25 years after all since the movie was filmed!!!!) It is also the old launchers that were used before the Cobray 37mm launchers became prevalent.
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony Montanas' 'Little Friend' from the movie [[Scarface]] - Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16A1 - 5.56mm/39mm]]

===Screen used Zabala Shotgun===
This IS the gun used by 'The Skull' [[Gino Silva]] to blast Tony Montana in the movie. I also included a closeup shot of the top of the gun to show the markings.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SBS-ShotgunTOP_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Top of the Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge. Note manufacturer markings on the top of the shotgun.]]

===RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!===
Recognize this lovely? I've been waiting to get pics for the [[Predator]] page for a while. So many weapons have either been sold off or taken apart and reconfigured for other movies.
[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 Rilfe - 5.56mm/39mm. Configured as it appeared in the movie.]]

'''IMFDB is the only place in the WORLD, now that has these images. How cool is that?''' :) I got some screen used muskets from Last of the Mohicans (from private collections), which is interesting since I usually don't get many pre 1848 weapons.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

==Moving other variant pics onto weapons discussion page==
That sounds like a good idea. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

== Heat pics ==

I brightened up the image a little and saved it in a larger dimension. I'm using VLCsnap to cap. I find that saving it as a PNG first and then converting to a JPG tends to make the image a little sharper. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

When you're using VLC, you can go into the Effects & Filters of the "Tools" section, then go into the Video effects tab. You can adjust the settings like the gamma and saturation and even the sharpness to make the pictures a little brighter and sharper. You don't want to go too bright or too sharp, though. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

== Reservoir Dogs ==

Hey, I've spoken to [[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] about the screenshots on [[Reservoir Dogs]]. I've told him that I don't want this to turn into a "Yournamehere vs Gunman69" deal. That's the kind of crap that wikipedia does and we're better than them lol :). The reasons I redid that page was because 1) there were some shots he missed and 2) his pngs were taking WAY to long to upload on my computer. I told him if he can make them jpegs and add in the extra shots I've provided, then I'll let him keep his screenshots. That being said, I think YOUR screenshots are the best, so if by any chance you want to revamp it, that'd be great :). I won't push it because I don't know how busy you are at the moment. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 22:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: This User ==

I sent this user a message requesting him not to add anymore images to the 870, hopefully he'll listen. Thanks for letting me know.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==RE:==

I dunno, ever since MoviePropMaster requested that we stop critiquing actors' stances and stuff like that, I've been seeing lots of anonymous users inserting those types of comments into pages, and I've been removing them. It really seems to me that a lot of them are added later by other people. I do realize that the page authors sometimes add them, but I'm seeing a lot that were added later. Especially to my own pages. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

== Are you finished? ==
So, are you and Gunman finished with Miami Vice?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:Finishing Predator 2, find a way to screencap video games, do some work on existing pages and screencap some movies. I'm pretty much done with We Were Soldiers except for an Mosin-Nagant. I asked for help in Karnes' talk page but it's going to take a while untill he responds.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Predator20

2009-12-14T20:17:59Z

Oliveira: /* RE: */

The Last Boy Scout

2009-12-01T16:40:16Z

Oliveira: /* Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub */

The Last Boy Scout

2009-12-01T16:34:27Z

Oliveira: /* Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub */

Talk:Robert Pattinson

2009-12-01T16:09:36Z

Oliveira:

This page helps get rid of another red name.

AND HE'S HOT!!!! - [[User:Losername|Losername]]
:Hi sis. God I hate ''[[Twilight]]''. Feel free to link the other actors on that page, I doubt anyone else on here will. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Ok no problem. And you know I hate the movie too I just love Robert Pattinson. -[[User:Losername|Losername]]

:Does he even know what a gun is? I'd love to shoot them at him, but i doubt that he needs a page. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:Barring any unforeseen events, I find it hard to imagine that he ''won't'' be seen with a gun in future movies, given that he is a rising star. --MCTales 18:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

:Seriously...has this guy been anywhere close to even touching a firearm in any movie he has been in? Why is this page here? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 12:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::Johnny's sister thinks he is hot. John couldn't to anything bad to her so he let her make those pages. I think he looks like a foot.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
== Introduction ==

Hey there everyone i was just introduceing myself here im a first time visitor who hopes to become a daily reader!

A Low Down Dirty Shame

2009-11-27T23:07:42Z

Oliveira: Undo revision 208984 by 74.234.9.81 (Talk)

{{noeffort}}

== [[Wildey]] ==
This pistol is used by Shame([[Keenen Ivory Wayans]]) in several scenes.It is most notable in a gun rack alongside other various handguns.

== [[Remington 1866 Derringer ]] ==
This tiny weapon is used by Shame(Wayans) when he confronts Mendoza([[Andrew Divoff]]). It is seen under the table in that scene and in the gun rack next to the Wildey.

== [[M1911A1 ]] ==
Used By Mendoza([[Andrew Divoff]]) in the last firefight.

== [[SIG-Sauer P226 ]] ==
Carried by Rothmiller ([[Charles S. Sutton]]).

== Laser Aim Series III pistol ==
A pair of these pistols are weilded by Shame(Wayans).

[[Category:Movie]]

Talk:Mythbusters

2009-11-27T21:19:36Z

Oliveira: Undo revision 208939 by 94.142.130.9 (Talk)

.38 special bullets actually measure .357in OD.

==Silver Bullets==
:Silver bullets are more effective than lead against BIG GAME because silver is much harder than lead and does not deform as much on impact. This means that the silver bullet penetrates deeper into the target, which is why BIG GAME HUNTERS use silver bullets when hunting BIG GAME (they are much more likely to kill the animal on the first shot than they are with a lead round)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:40, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Blemo

2009-11-27T15:41:26Z

Oliveira:

=Welcome to Blemo's Talkpage=
Please add all comments, compliments, insults, vulgar notes, colorful language-filled letters, and death threats below the line. Thank you and good day to you. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 03:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

----
==Childish==
:Man that's just childish-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, everything's cool-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

== WA2000 ==

Hate to tell you Blemo but the WA2000 is an'''Automatic Sniper Rifle'''.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 00:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== Sig Test ==
Testing. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 04:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== The Hurt Locker screencaps ==
Blemo, did you take the screencaps in The Hurt Locker page? If so, how? Because if they were from a illegal copy they will be deleted.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:15, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
:Oh. It's okey if they are from the trailer.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Blemo

2009-11-26T20:15:14Z

Oliveira:

Global Operations

2009-11-26T16:47:23Z

Oliveira: /* Daewoo K3 Paratrooper */

Apocalypse Now

2009-11-25T19:56:14Z

Oliveira: /* M60 machine gun */

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-11-25T19:24:48Z

Oliveira: /* Where this goes */

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2009-11-25T19:23:14Z

Oliveira:

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-11-25T18:40:31Z

Oliveira:

== Where this goes ==

I think this should be merged into the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

a few months ago i made a halo page. ok none of the weapons exist but i recently found a movie called HALO: landfall its directed by Neil blokamp the same guy as district 9. maybe does this make it qualify for the site. not the game but the movie. they are all based off of the halo guns. [[smish34|smish34]]
:Were they made of real weapons? Like in [[Aliens]]?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

i have no idea. also were you the one that commented on my discussion page about how i think the halo b,rifle looks like an XM8 an FAMAS. but they fully fire on the film. watch it on youtube.
:Yeah, I did say that. I also watched the film. The weapons were all obviously fake props or airsoft replicas. The Muzzle flashes were all CGI. I think the only weapon that looked real was the Minigun on the back of the jeep. We'll need more users to come and watch the film to see if the weapons are built on real guns.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-11-25T18:20:03Z

Oliveira:

Generation Kill

2009-11-25T18:02:28Z

Oliveira: /* M16A2 Rifle */

''Generation Kill'' is a seven part miniseries that premiered on HBO in the summer of 2008. It is based on the book of the same name by Rolling Stone writer Evan Wright, who was embedded with the Marines of the First Reconnaisance Battalion during the initial stages of the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.
[[Image:GenerationKill2.jpg|thumb|right|500px|]]
[[Image:Generation_kill.JPG|thumb|right|300px|''Generation Kill'' (2008)]]

''The following weapons are featured in the miniseries ''Generation Kill'':''

=Assault Rifles=

== [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is the main rifle used by the Marines of First Recon in the miniseries, including Corporal Josh Ray Person ([[James Ransone]]) and Sergeant Brad 'Iceman' Colbert ([[Alexander Skarsgard]]). The M4s seen in the series all have full quad rails, and some have attachments like PEQ laser modules and various optics. Those without M203 launchers mostly have Knights Armament Vertical Grips on the forward rails. Sgt. Colbert's M4, which is the most unique of the M4 Carbines in the series, sports an AN/PVS-17 night sight (sometimes replaced with an ACOG scope), a M203 grenade launcher, rail covers, PEQ infrared laser modules, and an ERGO grip.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip 5.56mm]]
[[Image:GenK 024.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Episode 3 "Screwby", Cpl. Person ([[James Ransone]]) is cleared to fire his M4A1. Note the blank adapter.]]
[[Image:Genkill M4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A closeup of Sgt. Colbert's M4A1, which is equipped with a AN/PVS-17 night sight and a M203 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:GenK 022.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Sgt. Colbert ([[Alexander Skarsgard]]) sights an enemy bunker with the AN/PVS-17 night sight on his M4A1 in Episode 3 "Screwby".]]
[[Image:Genkill M4c.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Another view of Sgt. Colbert's M4A1.]]
[[Image:Genkill M4b.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Pvt. Christenson aims his M4A1 when searching an enemy encampment in Episode 3 "Screwby".]]
[[Image:GenerationK 005.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Colbert looks through the ACOG scope of his M4A1 during the training sequence in Episode 1, "Get Some".]]
[[Image:GenerationK 013.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|In Episode 1 titled "Get Some", Sgt. Rudy Reyes prepares to run laps around Camp Matilda in full gear and carrying his M4, which has an ERGO foregrip. Trivia [[Rudy Reyes]] plays himself in the series and also helped train the actors.]]

== [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 Rifle]] ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] is carried by numerous Marines, including Lieutenant Nathaniel Fick ([[Stark Sands]]),
Captain Bryan Patterson ([[Michael Kelly]]), and Hospital Corpsman Second Class Robert Timothy 'Doc' Bryan ([[Jonah Lotan]]). The M16A2 has been mostly phased out for the newer M16A4, but because the mini-series depicts the Invasion of Iraq in 2003, the M16A2 was the standard rifle of most Marine units at the time.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:GenKi 007.jpg|thumb|600px|none|With his M16A2 slung on his shoulder, Capt. Patterson ([[Michael Kelly]]) discusses tactics with the Battalion Commander ([[David Warshofsky]]).]]
[[Image:GKm16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|thumb|none|600px|In Episode 1, "Get Some", a Marine takes a break near a Humvee with some M16A2 rifles resting on the side. The rifles appear to be rubber props.]]
[[Image:gkm16a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'Doc' Bryan ([[Jonah Lotan]]) aims his M16A2 with M203 in Episode 1, "Get Some".]]

== [[AK-47|Kalashnikov variants]] ==

[[AK-47|Kalashnikov rifles]] are used by Iraqi soldiers, civilians and even American Marines, in particular one platoon commander, Captain Dave 'Captain America' McGraw ([[Eric Nenniger]]).

[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:GenK 019.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Iraqi forces fire their AKMS rifles blindly at the Marines.]]
[[Image:GKAK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hey Captain, where'd you get that nice-looking AK?" 'Captain America' shows off the well-oiled Kalashnikov he's recovered to Cpl. Person in Episode 2 "The Cradle of Civilization".]]
[[Image:Genkill AKb.jpg|thumb|600px|none|'Captain America' firing his AKMS during the capture of the abandoned enemy airfield during Episode 3 "Screwby".]]
[[Image:GenK 011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'Captain America' fires his AKMS at a SUV to "deny the enemy transportation".]]
[[Image:Genkill AK.jpg|thumb|600px|none|As one of the Marines videotapes, 'Captain America' picks up an AKMS from a dead Iraqi soldier, adding to his collection of Kalashnikovs.]]

== [[M16#Colt_Carbine.2FModel_653.2FModel_727.2FModel_733|Colt Model 733]] ==
In the beginning of Episode 4, a Marine is glimpsed carrying a [[M16#Colt_Carbine.2FModel_653.2FModel_727.2FModel_733|Colt Model 733]].

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 733 SMG - 5.56x45mm. It should be noted this is actually an M16A1 upper used to build a mock up of a 733 for films.]]
[[Image:GKC15B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Marine not wearing his helmet carries the Colt 733.]]
[[Image:GKC15A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the Marine's Colt 733.]]

== [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A1 sniper rifle]] ==

The [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A1 sniper rifle]] is used by Scout Sniper Sgt. Larry Shawn "Pappy" Patrick ([[Josh Barrett]]) to eliminate an enemy RPG team in episode 2.

[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Remington M40 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:GenK 014.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Sgt. Patrick ([[Josh Barrett]]) prepares to fire his M40A1 as Sgt. Reyes ([[Rudy Reyes]]) spots for him.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 020.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Episode 7 entitled "Bomb in the Garden", a SEAL sniper team is seen engaging targets with the M40A1 from the factory office.]]

=Machine Guns=
== [[FN Minimi|M249 SAW Paratrooper]] ==

Some of the Marines, notably Lance Corporal Trombley ([[Billy Lush]]), carry the paratrooper variant of the [[FN Minimi|M249 SAW]] throughout the series. The M249 is also seen mounted on Marine UH-1 helicopters.

[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 SAW 5.56mm paratrooper version with 200 round ammo drum]]
[[Image:GenK 023.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lance Cpl. Trombley ([[Billy Lush]]) gets ready to open fire with his M249 Para. Note that his weapon is obviously loaded with blank rounds.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 009.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the M249 firing from Episode 1, "Get Some."]]
[[Image:GenKill SAW.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lance Cpl. Trombley leans his M249 Para out the window.]]
[[Image:GenK 013.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Close observation reveals Walt's SAW is loaded with blanks here.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Episode 6 entitled "Stay Frosty", a female Marine is seen carrying a M249 Para.]]
[[Image:GenKi 012.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Episode 6 "Stay Frosty", a Marine UH-1 carrying Lt. Col Ferrando and Gen. Mattis is seen with door-mounted M249 Paras.]]

== [[PKM]] ==

[[PKM]] machine guns are used by the Iraqi forces throughout the miniseries, sometimes mounted on tripods.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|400px|none|PKM with classic (most seen) version of the flash hider - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:Genkill PKM.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An abandoned PKM machine gun, mounted on a tripod.]]
[[Image:Genkill PKMb.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Sgt. Colbert approaches a dead Iraqi soldier and his PKM.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
== [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] ==

Several [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine guns are mounted on the Marines' Humvees, and are often used in conjunction with the Mk. 19 grenade launchers to assault Iraqi positions.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:GK50.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Garza during a training exercise.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Garza firing his Browning M2HB during a training exercise in Episode 1, "Get Some".]]
[[Image:GenKi 009.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Garza wearing his NVG's opens up with the M2HB.]]

== [[M136 AT4]] ==

[[M136 AT4]] anti-tank weapons are seen in the Humvees and then later at the First Recon encampment in Baghdad. None are seen used in the miniseries.

[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M136 AT4 Anti-Tank rocket launcher - 84mm]]
[[Image:Genkill AT4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|In Episode 7 "Bomb in the Garden", a row of AT-4's is seen behind Sgt. Colbert.]]

== [[M203 grenade launcher]] ==
The [[M203 grenade launcher]] is usually carried by the Marine team leaders and officers, including Sergeant Brad Colbert and Lieutenant Nathaniel Fick. In episodes 5 and 6, the M203s are used to launch blue smoke grenades in an attempt to prevent accidental shootings at roadblocks. In one tragic scene, a smoke grenade is fired to only ricochet off the ground and strike the head of a civilian.

[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M203 grenade launcher- 40mm]]
[[Image:GenK 010.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Capt. Bryan Patterson ([[Michael Kelly]]) is on the radio with Ferrando as Gunnery Sgt. Rich Barrett ([[Eric Kocher]]) lays down fire with his M4 with M203 during the battle in Nasiriyah.]]
[[Image:Genkill M203b.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Capt. Craig "Encino Man" Schwetje ([[Brian Wade]]) fires his M203 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:GenK 021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Fick fires his M16 with the M203 underneath.]]
[[Image:GKM203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:GenK 020.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A closeup of Colbert's M203 as he loads another grenade into it.]]
[[Image:GenK 008.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Sgt. Colbert launches a smoke grenade with his M203 in an attempt to stop an oncoming car.]]

== Mk 19 grenade launcher ==

The [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] is seen mounted on several of the Marines' Humvees including Sergeant Colbert's. Seen operated by several Marines including Cpl. Anthony "Manimal" Jacks ([[Rich McDonald]]), Cpl. Walt Hasser ([[Pawel Szajda]]) and Cpl. Garza and is often used to demolish enemy strongpoints throughout the miniseries.

[[Image:US Mk. 19 40mm grenade machine-gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Mk 19 grenade launcher 40mm in vehicle mounting]]
[[Image:GenK 009.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Cpl. Anthony "Manimal" Jacks ([[Rich McDonald]]) mans his Mk.19.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A front shot of Cpl. Walt Hasser ([[Pawel Szajda]]) as he handles the Mk.19.]]
[[Image:Genkill mk19b.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A disassembled Mk.19 AGL.]]
[[Image:GKmk19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|A Marine mans his Mk.19.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|Sgt. Rudy Reyes and Sgt."Pappy" Patrick check out the Mk.19 on their Humvee]]

== RPG-7 ==

[[RPG-7]] launchers are used by some Iraqi Feyadeen during their attempts to attack the invading American forces.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 70mm]]
[[Image:Genkill_RPG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A dead Iraqi Feyadeen fighter with a RPG-7.]]
[[Image:GenK 015.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An RPG team as seen through the scope of Sgt. "Pappy" Patrick.]]

==M242 Bushmaster chaingun==
The 25mm M242 Bushmaster chaingun is the main gun of the Marines' LAV-25. The LAV's are seen firing their Bushmasters after the First Recon encounters enemy forces at the bridge.
[[Image:GenK 003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LAV-25's fire their Bushmasters on enemy positions.]]

=Handguns=
== Beretta 92FS ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS pistol]] is carried primarily by Marine officers and NCO's throughout the miniseries.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92FS 9x19mm]]
[[Image:GenkillM9.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gunnery Sgt. Wynn seen with his Beretta 92FS holstered in his Interceptor vest.]]
[[Image:GenerationK 014.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lt. Col. Stephen Ferrando ([[Chance Kelly]]) and Major Todd Eckloff ([[Benjamin Busch]]) are seen with their Beretta 92FS pistols in their leg holsters.]]

=Shotguns=

== Remington 870 ==

[[Remington 870]] shotguns are seen being carried by Meesh ([[Nabil Elouahabi]]), the Marine recon battalion's Iraqi translator, and Major Todd Eckloff ([[Benjamin Busch]]), the Battalion's executive officer.

[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:GKshotty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In Episode 1 "Get Some", Meesh ([[Nabil Elouahabi]]) carries his Remington 870 shotgun as he goes to his Humvee]]
[[Image:GenerationK 015.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A passing shot of Meesh with his Remington slung over his shoulder from Episode 1, "Get Some".]]
[[Image:GenK 006.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Major Todd Eckloff ([[Benjamin Busch]]) with his Remington is seen standing over "Captain America".]]
[[Image:GenKi 010.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Major Eckloff is holding his Remington as he greets Lt. Col. Ferrando.]]

=Other=
== M18A1 Claymore ==

[[M18A1 Claymore|M18A1 Claymores]] are mounted on the barricades as part of the Marine roadblock at Al-Hayy in Episode 4.

[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:Genkill claymore.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Christopher Holsey sets a claymore on some concertina wire at a roadblock.]]

== Recoiless Rifles ==

After the recon Marines successfully capture a strategic bridge in Episode 5, the surrendering Syrian irregulars can be seen abandoning recoiless rifles and heavy mortars.

[[Image:Genkill rr.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:War]]

Talk:Harry Brown (2009)

2009-11-25T15:47:30Z

Oliveira:

Hi I have some promo pictures found online that show off some of the handguns used in the film such as harry's P226R and Strech's Walther. Never edited before so what's the best way to get the images on to the page? Should I like from image shack or load them on to IMFDB from my PC?

Also from some set pictures on flickr it looks like it is a chrome CZ75 not a Hi Power that is used in the happy slap killing and by Noels buddy.

:Load them onto IMFDB is the best way. After you load them, you take the picture file name example Image:RN-SIG228-1.jpg then add [[ before it and
|thumb|none|600px]] after the file name you get.
[[Image:RN-SIG228-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
That's easiest way I can explain it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::Also, sign your posts by clicking on the sign button on the edit box menu after every message.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

:::''Should I like from image shack or load them on to IMFDB from my PC''

:::'''Definitely not'''; that would never work. On the left side of the page, go to "Upload file" (under "Toolbox") and use that to upload the images. As Predator said, look at the code for displaying pictures on other pages. It should be like this: <nowiki>[[Image:|thumb|none|600px]]</nowiki>, except that after "Image:" is where your file name goes AFTER you've uploaded it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:32, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::::Also remember to put some kind of caption after the |600px . Goes something like this:
[[Image:|Thumb|none|600px|Caption goes here.]]--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Harry Brown (2009)

2009-11-25T15:47:16Z

Oliveira:

Talk:Harry Brown (2009)

2009-11-25T14:51:56Z

Oliveira:

IMFDB talk:Fictional Firearms

2009-11-25T14:48:18Z

Oliveira: New page: == Where this goes == I think this should be merged into the Rules, Standards and Principles page.--~~~~

== Where this goes ==

I think this should be merged into the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Phoenixent

2009-11-24T18:36:59Z

Oliveira: /* Hi, how are you? */

, I'm going to do the mini-series [[Lonesome Dove]]. I also plan to do [[Young Guns]] and eventually ''[[The Last Days of Frank and Jesse James]]''. But first I have to finish the damn Boondock Saints. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Someone built a page for Appaloosa and it has a nice picture of Viggo with the 8 gauge so I think your picture would work now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Hi==
I see that you helped [[We Were Soldiers]]. Did you posted that comment on the hand held minigun in [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]] and what do you mean? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]]
*The minigun in Transformers Revenge of the Fallen is modified to be futuristic. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]]

==Sgt. York==
I see you did Sgt. York, which I'm glad to see because that's a famous movie that the site can boast about owning. I have just a FEW more notes to add about proper page format.

* When listing a gun, you see we usually do it like this:

--M1911-- (substituting equal signs)

Sgt. Alvin York ([[Gary Cooper]]) guns down six German soldiers with his [[M1911]] pistol.

(PICTURE OF GUN|Caption:Colt M1911 - .45 ACP.)

(Screencaps)

What I mean is link all actors and guns to their appropriate pages by putting double brackets over them (that's why we have actor and gun pages, so the movie pages link to them). With guns, some pages have multiple categories, so linking them properly is prefered. Look at the edit to see how I write this: [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] Rifle.

Also, instead of writing "An example of said gun used in film", it is prefered you copy and paste what the image cpation says on its page or write it yourself and keep it basic. Like a 1911 picture could say "Colt M1911 - .45 ACP." This way caliber is listed as is the gun's name. (look at some of my newest pages and see what I mean)

But you have the right to make the pages however you want, it is just prefered you try to follow the site's format closely. Thanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks, there are still some users on here who are a little... ignorant of these guidlines. Glad to see you're willing to cooperate. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I'm a little confused what you mean. Can you rephrase that somehow? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::BTW, I like your fixs to Sgt. York, but you don't need to link the title, just the info inside. And look at the Luger section, it is prefered you write a paragraph above the images instead of inside the images. The captions are usually used as guidlines so the viewer knows what's happening and when in the film. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Re: Mr. & Mrs. Smith 1911==
I'm pretty sure it is not a left handed gun, the image is just flipped (look at the DVD cover in which he holds the gun in his right hand, it appears to be properly flipped).

The webiste didn't have any images I could find so I couldn't compare. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I checked out that image and I'm not too sure the lefty gun is right.

==Actor Pages==
I don't block actor pages and anyone who does seriously takes too much pride in their work. As if an actor page, which is the easiest to make, is going to be destroyed by someone adding info.

In most cases, we protect pages from anonymous users. We see that the most serious people make a profile if they wish to knowledgabley add to the site. One too many anonymous users gave us garbage and trolled so we got sick of it. It usually isn't a concern but when I make a 40+ page, it is a pain to remove the dumb comments and such in a maze of information. So if we block the anonymous, the serious make profiles and the trolls move on. If they make profiles to continue trolling or saying dumb things, we ban them.

If anyone of the admins. blocks a page for sysop only access that doesn't need it at all, I'll have a talk with them. Only our profiles and rules pages need that protection. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Chamelot Delvigne Model 1873==
You overwrote a net based image of the 1873 gun that I uploaded. Normally this is standard practice, since the replacing shot is much higher quality than the replaced image. I was just wondering. The original shot was of a blued revolver. Your replacing shots is of a revolver that's either 'in the white' or a different finish. Wouldn't it be better to have both images to show the different finishes?[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

==Actor pages==
I noticed you put in a lot of actors pages from classic films which is good since I don't even have those movies that you've listed, but when you're screencapping the movie pages, could you get a good facial recognition screenshot of the actor for placement on the actor's page? Some of the actors I don't know and since I don't have those films I can't put up a decent shot which shows their faces. I usually screengrab a good shot of an actor or actress that is not a gun pic since when we're all doing gun pics, we always focus on whether the gun is clear in the shot, rather than the person. Anyway, that would be really cool if you did that. Thanks again. MPM2008

==Mauser==
I didn't add the Mauser 98 entry. Someone else did it when I was updating the other Mauser pictures (so the history of the page looks like I did it when I was actually updating something else). '''As for my opinion, I'm with you. the Gewehr 98 and the Karabiner 98 should have their own pages since they are classic Mauser and way more famous than all the Mauser variants. ''' I am going to remove the entry and put it as a footnote or a note in the summary. this page is for all of the 'forgotten' Mausers and also a guide to identifying them when we see them. Don't know if you noticed, but if you click on the image and click again, you'll see the picture at 1200 pixels wide. These are probably the biggest images of these Mauser variants on the web and can help non-Mauser experts see the details (I'm NOT a Mauser expert) but I will try to get pristine images of each variant that is listed on the page. best regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Machine Pistol Category? ==

I just saw you created a category for Machine Pistols, isn't that a bit redundant? I mean, don't machine pistols fall into the Submachine Gun category? I know it's a bit controversial in some gases (such as the [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] for example), but it just seems a bit unnessicary to me. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

==In the Line of Fire Llama==
Okay, I had no clue what I was writing when I did that, I was a total amateur when I added those pics. I have plans to add screencaps to that page at some point, Rafa was a little non-thorough. In fact, I plan to have a Clint Eastwood period, where I cap every Clint movie I own (and I own a LOT of them). A picture of the Llama would be excellent. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==XM16E1==
I just saw the picture you uploaded of the XM16E1. Did you take that picture yourself profesionally like MPM does or did you just edit it together with MPM's pics. Either way it looks great. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I don't think he'll mind TOO much as long as editing his pictures doesn't become a new fad among users. IMO the little things make a movie and it is a shame when people fail to notice these things. I'm not very good with helicopters but that's pretty impressive that you guys got real Hueys. I own WWS on VHS, and I might just have to watch it again now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::That's a really nice picture of a LaFrance M16K. I was actually looking for one myself, but Google didn't give me what I wanted. I believe Jackie Chan also used one in ''[[Police Story 3: Supercop]]'', so I'll add it to that page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

::BTW, speaking of ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'', I remember Mike did an interview where he said that CW actually manufactured the AK-47s used by the NVA in the movie. Did you actually mill the receivers yourselves, or did you start with commercially available receivers (i.e. the PT Legend)? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== Firefly ==

Thanks, I really love this show. Gone before it's time. I pretty much screencapped every episode. Just need some help IDing some guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Much appreciated. If you don't mind, take a look at my other pages and see if there needs correcting. And don't be afriad to change entire section titles for the correct one [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

==Re:Lois and Clar: The New Adventures of Superman==
I wasn't sure if it was miss-spelled or not, I'll fix it Steve. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==XM16E1 Photo==
Thanks! for the note on the XM16E1. It was appreciated. Well I am back from a pretty tough assignment (14 hour days and nothing but grief) Actually I didn't know who did what on the franken guns. I was not really paying attention for months to the m16 page and only concentrated on the AP74 22 clones at the bottom. I didn't even know that some guy (Kin93) out of Hong Kong had made so many franken guns out of my pics. But after a really BAD week (which I will go into on a general note later) I scanned up on the M16 page and saw literally a bunch of Franken M16 pics. It wasn't so bad, in just it was just the topper of a really bad week (where someone in the real world took a custom shotgun I built, replaced the buttstock, and then showed it off to various art directors as a gun 'HE' built even though I did 99.99% of the work). So it was kinda just the straw that bent (not broke! :) ) the Camel's back for that time. I KNEW I had to take a break, and I sure felt better when I put a stop to the 'picture requests'. like a weight was taken off my back. (Also I was getting a little TOO wound up over the wave of new anonymous/newbie users whose gun knowledge is only airsoft/Video Games making wrong edits on all the pages. It was bound to happen and is the risk we all take on an open wiki page. Anyway THANKS for the note. If you don't mind, I will try to build up a gun (I have a chromed bolt carrier somewhere) and actually do the pic. I am now motivated to photograph real versions of the Franken guns, also so that we (IMFDB) don't get accused of 'creating virtual/fictional weapons' on the Internet.) Hope you've been doing well. best regards MPM

==Colt 1903==
I deleted that page once now, someone brought it back again? I'll delete it once more... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==LaFrance Specialties M16K Question==
Hi Steve, I'm screencapping [[Dead Pool, The|The Dead Pool]] right now and one of the assassin's trying to kill Dirty Harry is wielding an AR-15 pistol which I'm pretty is a LaFrance Specialties M16K, except it has a forward assist, unlike the picture you took, which is a slab-side:
[[Image:LaFranceM16K223.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Are there versions of the gun that have an A1-style reviever with a forward assist or can you steer me towards what it would be with an A1-reciever? Here's an image I just made:

[[Image:DH5LFSM16K-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The assassin attempting to reload his AR-15 pistol before being killed by Callahan ([[Clint Eastwood]]).]]

I'll probably be done with the page later tonight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::It helps greatly, I'm working on the page now. I'll have it done relatively fast, it is the gun weakest of the DH films. Thanks much. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==re: Barb Wire==

Thanks for the additional info! You should add it to the page.

Also, do you know anything about the P228 from "Barb Wire" (and "Virtuosity"?) Was that another gun that you built at Ellis? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:It seems to be gone from my talk page now, but thanks for the info on the P228s. Much appreciated. I knew I had seen that type of laser-control grip before, just couldn't remember the brand name off the top of my head. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Collateral==
Hi Steve, I have a quick question for you. On the ''[[Collateral]]'' page, [[User:MT2008|Matt]] said that the Jericho 941 in the film was the only gun we see used by the club security guard, I'm assuming because he discussed it with you? Anyway, the gun clearly has a different slide design and trigger guard, so I don't think it is a Jericho. Do you have any information on the matter? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks, but no need to hurry over it. Whenever you can find the paper work is fine, I'm patient. BTW, I had so much free time I got FOUR movies ready to upload. They are:

* [[Hang 'Em High]]

* [[Blazing Saddles]]

* [[Pale Rider]]

* [[Any Which Way You Can]] (one of Eastwood's less macho films)

I took a huge amount of DVDs out of my box tonight! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

: Thanks, I really appreciate you finding out what guns was used. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Winchester 1892==
I reverted your upload over my Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine image because the image you saved over it with is a Winchester 1894 Rifle...

Can you re-upload it again, because I figured if I uploaded it people wouldn't know it is your picture. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:No need, I can get the image back for you. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE:Category:Flare Pistol==
Done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Widescreen==
If it weren't for all the modern movie pages people made with FULL screen DVDs.... sigh... that would be interesting. Also quite a few films were shown wide screen, but only released full screen (some of the lower B movies from the 1990s for example, including movies that I myself worked on). How would we reconcile the tag "released in widescreen" when we can only get FULL screen "Screenshots" for the movie page. best regards and a Happy Easter [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==AMT==
Fascinating :) I don't profess to be an expert on the AMT. That pistol I photographed is my own gun from blank adapted inventory (which is usually the case with 85% of my gun pics) and I looked at the gun in my hand from several angles, and that screenshot sure looks darker than possible with just lighting. I wonder if the propmasters on set 'subdued' the finish some how with black paint. I know of some people personally who have subdued their Stainless guns because of personal preference. Anyway, I always welcome insider information like that :) the pistol I have is a BACK II, don't know what the Back up I or previous variation is like. :) If you have access to a good historical summary I would love to see it on the Backup gun page :) thanks and best regards. MPM

PS. It's funny. I have a lot of these guns but I don't catch the tell all details that enable someone to Identify it. Only when someone IDs the gun I pull it out of the vault and look at it from different angles (which is really helpful) and sure enough, it's THAT gun (something I should have known but didn't notice). Anyway, for any other page as well, feel free to pipe in when my eyes misidentify a gun! :)

==...==

Thanks for all the help with weapons IDs! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

:I have a question about ''[[Man on Fire]]''. There's something weird about the Glock 34 used by Denzel. Here's a screenshot taken from Legion's Fate's blog:

:http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh284/CTone03/Guns%20in%20movies/Man%20on%20Fire/?action=view&current=Glock34IGen.jpg

:http://fateoflegions.blogspot.com/2008/11/movie-guns-xxviii.html

:You can see that in this shot, the Glock has a Gen 2-style frame, but in the shots which appear on [[Man on Fire|our page]], it has a Gen 3 frame with accessory rails. And Legion's Fate himself also notes that the barrel of this Glock is not ported, which it should be. Plus, I'm not sure the Glock 34 was ever available with the Gen 2 frame (as best I know, it was introduced after the Gen 3 styling had been introduced), so was one Glock 34 a custom job that CW did for the movie, while the other was a standard factory weapon? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Dukes of Hazzard, The (TV Series) ==

Thanks! I noticed you made some adjustments and I certainly appreciate the help! I just finished the first two seasons tonight and I'll try and do the rest of the show during the next week or so, so feel free to make any more adjustments you see as you'd be the expert. The show certainly had a lot more guns than I remember, especially considering that the two main characters never handled them at all! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 01:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

==Old movies==
For the record, I must say I am delighted that you have become the 'custodian' or 'gate keeper' of classic B&W war and noir crime/gangster films. I don't particularly watch these films myself, so I would never have contributed them, but they ARE an important part of film (and guns in movie) history, and I am happy that you are adding so much rich movie history to IMFDB. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with MPM all the way on this, I think your collection of such classic movies is very impressive and great for imfdb! You're very good at identifying the firearms (even if the film's resolution isn't that great, which can really hinder me when I try and work with older films). I noticed you were able to help out on some of my pages like ''[[White Heat]]'', but I know there were a few weapons in ''[[Little Caesar]]'', ''[[The Public Enemy]]'', and ''[[Scarface (1932)]]'' that I was having trouble with. If you'd ever be able to check those out, I'd greatly appreciate it! I have some other older B&W films I'll be putting on soon (once finals week is over) so you can always feel free to check them out and make any adjustments (I trust your word over mine, I'm certainly no expert!) Thanks for all your great contributions! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 04:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
::Great, thanks, I appreciate it! That's an interesting and clever way of ID'ing the images, I wish I could do something like that. And I look forward to seeing your job with the ''Thin Man'' series; I haven't watched those in awhile but I remember some of them seemed pretty ahead of their time. [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 04:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

==SAG==
Yes, I knew about that. I track Nikki Finke and also get the L.A. Weekly, they seem to have a real pulse on the issue. What I Don't like is how they estimate all of the lost $$ because of the 'lack of signing' of the contract, but the idiots in the press only count ACTOR'S WAGES, not everyone else's! So all of the caterers, art designers, costumers, grips, carpenters, couriers, lighting designers, camera crews, and of course, the rental houses like GUNS or the all important, Armorer ;) ... our lost income isn't counted. If they did, the cost would be immeasureably higher. I love how all of the rest of us in the industry are INVISIBLE. Anyway, Rant OFF ;) MPM2008

==CDS==

Hi! Thanks for that new Colt Detective Special 3rd Gen picture. Perhaps I can get your opinion on something that's piqued my curiosity...

John and I did some work on a page for the movie ''[[Hard Boiled]]'', but we weren't sure what kind of snub-nose revolvers are used by the CID undercover inspectors in the movie. We IDed them as Taurus Model 85s, but do you think they're actually CDS 3rd Gens, like the one you pictured?

Here are John's screencaps:

[[Image:HBS&W27Snub-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HBS&W27Snub-3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HBS&W27Snub-4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HBS&W27Snub-8.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HBS&W27Snub-6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

If I could your opinion really quickly, that would be awesome. Thanks! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

:OK, thanks, just wasn't 100% sure. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Lupara==

Yes, that would be incorrect if they made a Lupara page. I'm on it... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

==Re:==

OK, I moved it. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. That move I mentioned to you a while ago is coming up in a few days, so I've spent this last week (and the week before) trying to do everything in Austin that I never got around to doing earlier. I've had basically zero time for IMFDB. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and one other thing, do you want to help with the page info on those launchers? I don't know too much about them myself, whereas I realize you've probably worked with them quite a bit (since CW were the armorers on T3). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus Model 66 in Pulp Fiction ==

I noticed that on the ''[[Pulp Fiction]]'' page, you said that the "hand cannon" used was a [[Taurus Model 66]]. I just wanted to confirm this since it's a big subject of debate on that page and I just added a few caps today and I want to try and clean the page up and move all the debates to the discussion page. [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 00:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks; I noticed all the Thin Man pages, they look great! Also, I was curious if the other Pulp Fiction guns were correct, I had basically the same labels as were on before but someone on the page was wondering the MAC-10 was a MAC-11 and the revolver I have labeled as a Smith & Wesson Model 36 appears to be a hammerless model. I'm looking forward to the new B&W contributions! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 00:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks again, I greatly appreciate all the help there! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 04:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't worry about it haha; at least we know for sure now! Thanks for checking on that one! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 02:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:Ha I can't even imagine what that'd be like, I'll bet you've worked with a pretty good amount of actors in that capacity. And good work with the B&Ws, I'm going to try and get my hands on a few but I'll probably have ''Thunder Road'' (with [[Robert Mitchum]]) up by the end of the week. I just got some DVDs with a good number of old 1940s/1950s noirs so I can make some pages for those. Also, if you have a chance, could you check the image of Tony's armory (the 2nd photo under the Thompson entry) to see if there's anything you could identify? I hate to ask but you're much better at those than I am. Thanks and keep up the good work! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 02:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Appaloosa==
I finally got Appaloosa, I just watched it (great film) and am going to start screencapping now. I was very impressed by the 8 Gauge, excellent work. In the special features, they talk about it but never credit you as the designer :(. Anyway, I'll be sure to give you the credit you deserve when I revamp the page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Thanks, I'll try to get the screencaps done too. BTW, was it just me, or did they keep the original gun shot sounds used during filming for the final cut? Usually you hear the standard issue gunfire sound effects but there was something different about this. The guns didn't have the echo like in ''[[Heat]]'' though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Hey Steve, I got Appaloosa done yesterday, so if you have time do you think you could check it over and make sure I got everything right? Thanks, looking forward to the 8 Gauge photos. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::The photos look great Steve, thanks for your knowledge on the matter. Guns of the Old West's got nothing on IMFDB thanks to you. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== 8 Guage ==

You built that 8 guage used in Appalossa? Very impressive.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== Re: We Were Soldiers ==
Thanks Steve! I hope you can find out about that french pistol the officer used.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re:==

I will talk to Bunni about it, but not sure how he's going to feel. If there's a consensus that we should not allow anonymous users to edit, then I'm all for it, but I guess it comes down to his decision, since he owns the site.

Also, should I recommend you for an Admin position? I think at this point, you more than qualify! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

:Talked to Bunni. He said he'll get you Admin status soon (by this weekend, for sure). -[[User:MT2008|Matt]]

==7.7mm Arisaka Type 02 Paratrooper Takedown rifle==
I actually had one in original configuration when I was 18 years old. It was a gift along with a bunch of other Imperial Japanese firearms. Some FFL told me that the gun was worthless and offered to take it off my hands for $150.00. Being a stupid teenager I sold the rifle. I also sold this same 'expert' my 7.7 dedicated Arisaka sniper rifle with Nikon late war scope (with chrysanthemum). I guess that was a bitter lesson early in life... :) On Dirty Harry, it's hard to ID the weapon (now since I don't have mine any more) from the sportization. I do have some Sporterized Type 99 rifles rechambered for 30.06. I was buying them up for almost nothing, at gun shows during the 1980s when I needed background generic hunting rifles. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

==Wind and the Lion==
I sure hope you take a gander at the Wind and the Lion page. I think there is a bunch of mistakes but I'm not sure and YOU know this era weapons really well. :) Well just hoping you can help verify/correct some of the info there. best regards MPM

== Re: Scarface (1932) ==

Thank you very much for the help there. I made an entry for the page using the rundown you gave me (giving credit where it is due, of course) rather than making a new entry for each gun and posting the same picture several times throughout the page. I recall trying to get a good shot of Cesca's rifle but I don't believe I was able to get one. I'll try again now, as I'm determined to make the page a little more organized and complete-looking once we can get her rifle identified and Guarino's revolver. His shouldn't be too difficult, but I'm unable to clearly see the sights, cylinder release, etc. to identify it. I'll pop the DVD back in soon to see if I can get better images of either gun. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 06:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Joe Kidd==
The Lighning and Thunderer are my weak points. I'd assume the Cimmaron Bird's Head could go on the SAA page, but adding things like Uberti replicas is usually only necessary when we don't have anything better, and MPM uploaded genuine Colts. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Calico M100==
I'm confused here. why would I remove my image of the standard configuration and replace it with a customized version? The standard configuration appears in films, so actually removing my pic and replacing it doesn't make sense to me. If you mean substituting the custom gun for movie pages where it is actually used? Well that's what we want to do anyway. But don't replace MY pic of the original configuration gun.

''[Edit] You mentioned M100. Are you talking about the M100 rifle? or did you actually mean the M110 Pistol (which is NOT my pic and is a crappy google jacked image). :)''

As for the RU page, I don't see anything out of the ordinary on the page (I think that russian based page is starting to get funky when it comes to viruses, because my security software is starting to go haywire when I go there).

''[Edit} Is it the M110 pistol on the Guns RU page? I have managed to clip save that image, but I wanted to make sure we were talking about the same image.''

Thanks, Also which films did these custom m100s appear in? Also are they still available for photos? :) Thanks again. MPM

== Admin ==

Just made you an administrator on MT2008's recommendation. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 21:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Deadwood ==

Thank you for the compliments, and for adding the information to the page such as the Rossi Overland and the Trapdoor Springfields! It's a great show with a great selection of firearms which are, as you said, not always the typical ones seen in similar shows. I just finished the page today so if you see anything else, feel free to make corrections. Congratulations on Admin status! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 00:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

==La France Calicos==

Hey, Steve, I noticed you were talking to MPM about the La France-converted Calico pistols. I think they appeared in the TV show "Homeboys in Outer Space" - do you remember if Ellis supplied the weapons for that show?

Also, thanks for the picture. And it's good to have you on board as an admin. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

==Calico==
thanks for the update. Now I understand. I am really looking forward to seeing if this appeared in anything. It looks pretty cool like that. I will also contact you more, but now I'm off to deal with an emergency. :) regards MPM2008

==RE:==

Ah, OK, thanks. I actually wasn't 100% sure, but in the screenshots from "Standoff", the receiver looked somewhat FN MAG-ish to me. But I see what you mean...I didn't think they'd turn an M60 upside-down!

Thanks for the correction on that rocket launcher, too. I wasn't sure what it was. Also, do you by chance have any idea what those Unknown SMGs are? The ''[[Smallville#Unknown SMG|Smallville]]'' page has better pictures of them. I've been trying to find out what they are for a long time, and I can't tell. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks, although they might be pretty hard to find. MPM2008 was unable to ID them; he thinks they might be something manufactured in Canada that was never imported to this country (''[[Viper]]'' and ''[[Smallville]]'' were both filmed in Canada). Given their relatively crude appearance, I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually something homemade by the shows' armorer. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re: Layout==

Hmmm, I hadn't thought about it, but it sounds like a good idea. Can you show me a link to the Motorsport Wiki so that I can check it out? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

:Steve,

:I like it! I think it works much better than the way we do things now. Dunno how the other admins feel, but I imagine they'll agree with me that it makes the pages look way more organized. The center one (with title, actor, character, and date) is probably the best way to go. The only thing I'm not sure about is dates, only because we've heretofore neglected to put them down, but I guess we can try it. If not, might be best to just have title, actor, and character for now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

::I'm totally for it, but I think the best thing to do would be to start a topic in the forum, with the image you uploaded on my Talk Page posted. If you want, I'll get it started. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

:::NP on the topic. I would like to do it, but the only thing is, it will take us a long time to get all of the thousands of gun pages on this site (many with multiple weapons, like the 1911 and M16 pages) re-formatted this way. Should be start with the most popular gun pages ([[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:PopularPages]]) and then work our way down the list? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::::OK, cool. I say go for it. Let's see how it works out. A lot of people here are afraid to take risks with formatting, but if it works, I think we can win them over. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

==Commando Tranq. Pistol==
I can grab a shot of it when I have time. I figured we don't usually document tranq. guns but I see on Legions of Fate's site he has it documented. I've seen the model tranq gun IDed on other pages on IMFDB so I guess tranq. guns are okay now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Mauser==
I'm not a mauser expert but I think that the Czech BRNO VZ24 Mauser is identical enough to the K98 to have it on it's page, right? I look forward to your expertise on this. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

==Honoring Actors who have passed away==
Since the news of David Carradine's death :( I was cruising around IMFDB and I noticed a nice touch to Charlton Heston's page. Someone put a photo of him, not a screenshot, in which it simply stated, "Charlton Heston: 1923 - 2008" I wanted to do something similar to Brandon Lee's page (1965-1993) :( , but I also thought that it would be nice (but completely optional) to put a DOB-DOD listing on actors who have passed away. I was going to do one for PhoenixEnt's page for Morris Ankrum the actor, I was going to put (1896-1964) but I figured I would check first. Also I thought it would be nice to know which of our famous actors have passed on. Thoughts anyone? I'm not going to do any sort of mass campaign to do so, but to know that no one else has objections would be nice. :) MPM2008

== Re: Three Days of the Condor ==

Good idea! I'll grab one of Wicks with his suppressed 1911. The Condor page was one of my first, do you happen to know offhand if I missed any guns in it? [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 06:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Wilkinson Arms Linda Pistol==

Yeah, I think it would be great if we had some good pics. A Google image search turns up relatively poor-quality pictures of both the carbine and pistol, so we would have bragging rights for only good pics of those guns on the 'Net. Haha...anyway, I guess it would best to group them together, since that's what we usually do with weapons that are the same basic design (i.e. SP89 and HK94 both go on MP5 page).

And wow...you really seem to know a lot of the manufacturers personally. I'm always amazed at how well-connected you are. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, wow, you really built those? My contact at ISS sent me the pictures of the guns and mentioned to me that they were under-used. He also told me that Sgt. Tom Minder was the guy who pulled the trigger during filming. He seemed to know you pretty well; he says you do work for all of the armories, not just CW. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Hooking up for pics==
I don't know if you check your private messages anymore, but I was still wondering about hooking up for pics. It would be awesome to get some of your beautiful custom stuff! :D I sure wish you could hook me up with Galotti to get pics of his stuff! ;) hahaha. I still haven't wandered back to CW because of work and family issues. I'm lining up a shoot that I'm sure GM45 will love.... one of the biggest private collections of original Western guns (i.e. not replicas but original 1st gen western revolvers and long guns in pristine condition, not the beaters we have in rental inventory hahahaha ;) ) west of the Mississippi. They are being yanked out from behind museum glass cases for the shoot for IMFDB. That's pretty exciting. I am trying just for classic examples of original historical guns. Anyway, feel free to PM me when you get a chance to try to re-schedule something. Thanks MPM2008

== The M1903A1s ==
That was a really good gun you build there. Congraturations but what is "Rock"?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Memorial Photos ==

Thanks for the compliment regarding the [[Lee Marvin]] photo. I'm trying to go with great photos of the actors. I imagine many of them are old portfolio shots.They deserve that. The only exception is the [[Charles Bronson]] photo. I liked the tough guy shot with him smoking a cigarette. Very seventies and very tough looking. Well and the photo of [[Charlton Heston]] at Stembridge Gun Rental picking out his guns for ''[[Will Penny]]''. The photo just fit Mr. Heston as well. Anyway thanks again. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

==OK, I need your help==

I've been watching some movies which allegedly feature the FN Minimi/M249 Paratrooper, and realized the guns in question may be a different LMG. If you want examples of what I mean, check these out.

Here's an M249 Para model taken by MPM:

[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

...and here are some movies/TV shows which allegedly feature this gun:

[[Image:3000miles minimi-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|''[[3000 Miles to Graceland]]'']]

[[Image:AD-Minimi-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|''[[American Dragons]]'']]

[[Image:SGSAW2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|''[[Stargate: SG1]]'']]

[[Image:SGASAW2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]'']]

[[Image:WTLMG-4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|''[[Walking Tall]]'']]

In all of these movies, the guns look almost like Minimi variants, but something's not right about the receivers and front sights on them. Which leads me to suspect they may not be M249s or Minimi variants at all, but rather something else. What do you think? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

:Aha! I should have known. Also, it seems Ron Blecker or members of his team were the armorers and military advisers on all of these shows, so that's the common denominator. Well, when I get back, I think I had better make a page for the Daewoo K3, using the new format.

:Speaking of which, I think the "Note" column is a good idea, though maybe we should make it a little wider? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wow, so far, I have found almost a dozen movie/TV pages where we mis-IDed Daewoo K3s as Minimis. -[[User:MT2008|Matt]]

== Weapon pages ==

Steve, the new layout for the weapon pages looks great! I'm glad you suggested that and if you need any help converting the pages, let me know. I think it's a great idea and it'll help imfdb look more and more professional and comprehensive! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 02:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

:One other question...should we continue to italicize the titles of the movies/TV shows/games, exactly as we did in the old format? Also, I'm working on the Daewoo K3 page now. If you can help me out with info, it would be appreciated. For instance, do you remember who was the U.S./Canadian importer for the K3? Was it the same company that imported the K1 and K2 in both civvie and LEO versions? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

::I guess I'm just pretty surprised because I figured the M249 would be the cheaper gun to acquire, seeing as it's manufactured on these shores. Why were the K3s cheaper? Were the M249s just not being offered for anyone besides the military at the time? I would love to write a better summary on the Daewoo K3 page explaining why they're used as M249 stand-ins, but since I'm not an armorer, I'm scared I might get details wrong.

::If you don't mind taking a picture of one of the vismodded K3s, that would really be awesome. I'm going to have to look more closely, but I have a feeling we may have mis-IDed the K3s on several more pages (''[[Swordfish]]'', for instance). Also, while I'm at it, thanks for the new 1911 pictures you uploaded recently. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

==Rock Island 1911==
I think I have one, I will try to get a shot of it, but I am getting a little busier with work. Doesn't the one in the movie have the Colt medallion on the grips though? On one of the screenshots seems to have that on the grip. Is that a different pistol? MPM

== Template ==

Hey Phoenixent, I want to say great work on the template you created, it makes pages look better and neater. I complimented MPM2008 on it, but he said you orginally created it, so I came here. Also, awesome work on all the pages you created so far, it's great to have another armorer on the site.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==RE:==

Thanks! If you find one of the vis-modded K3s that looks like an M249 Paratrooper, that would be great. We'd be the only site on the 'Net with such a picture. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Templates==
I think the templates are looking pretty good, although they stretch all the way across the screen when not next to an image, which may cause problems for people with small screens (they would have to scroll sideways, which can be a pain). I don't know if this can be fixed but if it can I'm throwing it out there. Just wondering, is there anyway to put lines in between each entry, so the films are seperated by columns? I figure if the entries are in a more chart like organization it will be easier to see what lines up with what. If not it's no big deal but I was just wondering. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

I think the templates are coming out great as well, I like the way it is on the [[Steyr AUG]], were the years are listed earliest at the top and most recent at the bottom. I also want to know if lines can be put between entries to seperate them more.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Template==
Thanks for the note. To the mods: Though my own preference is strongly towards chronological order, I can accede to the wishes of the majority. I do like the format of Title First, before actor. Please note all, in the [[Steyr AUG]] page that the title, then character, then actor template, dovetails nicely into the other genres (television) but also Anime and Video games. Since there is no Character in some and no Actor in Anime or Videgame, I think this order maintains the same look from Film all the way down to VG. Thanks and please look at the page to see what I was referring to. Thanks again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==More on Templates==

Hi, Steve,

I think the way you did the [1911]] page (and thanks for taking time and doing that, BTW) is pretty much perfect and should be the standard. There are only two suggestions I'd make:

(1.) I think we should probably put the Title before actor, as MPM suggested, just because that seems to make a bit more sense. When we were doing the standard bullet point list, it made more sense to say "<actor> as <character> in <title>", but as a straightforward table, I think it would make more sense to go with title first. I imagine that's what most people's eyes are drawn to, anyway, but maybe that's just me.

(2.) Chronological order should probably be the most recent films first, and then work our way backwards. That way, any time a new film comes out with a particular gun, it'll be near the top of the list, since it seems like many visitors come to our site to look for guns in current movies (as evidenced by the disproportionately high number of views on our pages for last summer's blockbusters like ''[[The Dark Knight]]'' and ''[[Wanted]]'', both of which got tens of thousands of hits when those films were in theaters).

I have one other question: Have we figured out how we're going to handle situations where multiple actors handled the same gun (or same type of gun) in a particular movie or TV show? Do we list each actor on a separate line? That's the one and only issue with the tables that I think we need to figure out. I'm not really sure what to do about this myself. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::After looking at the test templates, I really like the one with each bit of information in its own box. It makes it easier to read across without mixing things up. Thanks for figuring that out, I'm starting to like this template stuff now. You may have noticed I've been applying it to the actor pages I've made recently, although I might go back and try it with columns now. BTW, when everyone agrees on the final product of this template stuff, please make sure the [[Test Template Page]] is cleaned up and user friendly so I know exactly which template to use for Actor and Gun pages. It is kind of trial and error currently because the page is also a discussion page so its hard to find what I need. Sorry if I'm adding more work to do but you seem to know how this stuff works better than I do (I'm still trying to memorize all of the simple code stuff so I don't need to constantly copy and paste). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Hey Steve, check out the [[Daniel Roebuck]] page to see the box-style format in use. I like it! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:It's not bad but I still kind of like the boxes personally because everything is both vertically and horizontally seperated, where as the newest one only horizontally seperates the entries. But of course we'll have to hear what everyone else thinks before a final decision is made. My vote goes for the boxes :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Sorry for the late response Steve, I just got back from a four-day trip to LA. I really like the new template and my vote is for chronological order as well. I don't have much much input but I just wanted to say I like the organization the template adds! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 04:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== Just a note ==

The way I was doing it was placing the TOC call straight after the poster image; that avoids shunting the introductory text down below the table, and means you get a good intro where the '''Following guns are used:''' heading is right above the table of contents that lists them all. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

What I did for [[Crysis]], [[Far Cry]] and [[King Kong (2005)]] was to put the title image below the text. I've edited the link you gave me, take a look now: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=A_Slight_Case_of_Murder&oldid=136910

Now, this isn't perfect for ''that'' article because it has a long lead-in with a small pic, and it might be ok to just put the TOC after the text with the picture at the start; I don't think there'll be issues with the picture being larger than the intro as with some articles. It's mainly for ones like Kong where the poster was shoving the table off the bottom of the page when it first loaded up. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 02:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

==The Wilkinson Arms carbines/pistols==

Nice! Those really are the best pictures of the guns anyone's put on the 'Net, anywhere. Off the top of your head, do you recall any other movies/TV shows they've appeared in? It seems to be a pretty rare weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== And Then There Were None ==

Hey, I just got two caps from an old 1945 B&W called ''[[And Then There Were None]]''. Before I build the page, I wanted to check with you because I think the revolver used was a Webley British Bulldog. There's only one shot of it that's clear so I'll send it to you here. [[Image:Attwn-bldgrev1.jpg|thumb|none|500px.]]Thanks! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 21:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== The Killing ==

Great job on The Killing page, glad there's finally a page for such a great classic movie.

== You might want to look at the most recent edits. ==

And then delete the user. I mean, who goes for these things anyway? [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:The one called "User:169 buy viagra soft tabs‎" who looks to be a spambot that's dropped an entire ad onto the user page. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I thought you'd notice before I finished typing. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
*Got another one, "User:246 buy prinivil‎" [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 09:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:Target terminated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

::Another one: "User:187 buy doxycycline‎" [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

:::Identified, terminated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

==RE: Tightrope==
Sadly that is one of the Eastwood movies I don't own, but since I just got a ton of Birthday money, I plan to buy some of the DVDs I've desperately been needing to screencap. I'll add Tightrope to my list. What do you need the screencaps for? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE: K3==

Steve,

Thanks so much for finding that info for me, and pictures would definitely be much appreciated if you can find the K3s that were mocked up as M249 Paras. I did my own crude version of this gun using MS Paint, but obviously, the real deal would be preferable.

Also, how do you feel about changing the Template a little bit more so that TV Show and Episode are separate categories? Or do you think we should keep it as-is? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==Public Enemies==
Hi Steve, after watching Public Enemies and doing some work to the page, I was hoping you could answer some questions on the guns in the movie, since I see you took pictures of some of the screen used props.

* Were Johnny Depps M1911A1 pistols in the film chambered in .38 Super? Or any character's 1911 for that matter?

* The page lists the M1928A1 Thompson being in the film. I never saw it in the configuration shown on the page, were they mocked up as 1921s by adding foregrips? Also, I never saw a 1903 Hammer Colt, where was that used?

* Do you know any of the revolvers used in the movie? I couldn't ID them in the theater and can't remember them well.

* The .38 Machine Pistol. I gotta know more about this thing. Who built it, was it actually in .38 Super, all that stuff would be awesome.

So if you have any info, please let me know. Thanks. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks, the information was ''very'' useful. So you're saying the Thompsons in the film are 1928s not 1921s? Or was it a mix of both? Because I saw some firing drastically slower than others, which led me to believe both were used. And I would have assumed they would have used 9mm 1911s to represent .38 Super 1911s, but I guess they only did that for the Machine Pistol. Anyway, thanks a ton, this will definately help the page out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::I mis-read your Thompson post, I get it now ;) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Yeah, we'll have to wait for the DVD for better IDs. I saw tons of revolvers in the Crown Point jail armory, but I couldn't ID any of them . I did ID one Colt Official Police used by the FBI agent who charges Dillinger outside the theater. And that was a Colt 1928 machine gun? I thought it was a 1917 water cooled Browning. Hrrm. BTW, do you know if the 03A3 rifles were Springfields or Remingtons? Same goes for the Browning A5/Remington 11s in the film, what were they? Thanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Test Template Page==
Recently I completed formatting the [[FN Minimi]],[[FN FiveseveN]].The G36 article is almost complete with the exception of the G36K section.Hope to complete the Glock and MP5 article soon for which I may need your help too.I also agree with MT2008 that there should be a seperate column for episodes in the television section.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]

:Actually, I'm beginning to think maybe I shouldn't have made my suggestion about the Television column, because the problem is that when guns appear on shows, they tend to appear on MANY episodes, not just one. In which case, the only thing the column will say is, "Various episodes" or something to that extent. I think a better idea is to just briefly mention episodes and other details (such as how the character uses the gun - i.e. "Standard sidearm of ______") in the "Notes" column.

:Also, I am trying to get the [[M16]] page updated to the new format (which is going to take a LONG time, as you can imagine). Hope to get it done this holiday. At some point, I also want to work on the [[Beretta 92 pistol series]] page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Shadow==
I'm watching ''[[Shadow, The|The Shadow]]'' on TV right now, and I gotta say, those "Silver Heat" pistols are very cool. I also read your interview from the page, and I like the insite you gave. After watching the scene on the bridge, I think it's pretty funny how the drum flew off the guy's Thompson. And Alec Baldwin's problem with the safeties was an interesting fact too (you could see he kind of let the pistol's noses hang when he was shooting them). Anyway, nice work, sometimes I forget I'm talking to a guy who in my opinion, is very famous. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Cool, can't wait to see. And were you wearing ear protection, or were they just so loud you could tell even with ears on? Aside from the Grizzlies, I saw your Thompson (1921, 1928, or custom?), a Colt DS, and a Remington Rolling Block cavalary pistol. Also both the bad guy and Baldwin fired guns at each other where the bullets hit head on, what were those pistols? I didn't see the end so I may have missed some stuff but I think I might pick that movie up now. It was kind of cool. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Awesome, thanks. I thought the snubbie was a Colt DS but I guess not. Anyway, I'm trying to get Tightrope, but the only place I can get it is best buy and I can't go there till monday. One last thing, do you think I could use the box-column format on one of the bigger gun pages so people can see how that looks? Because I still really like the box-column style, but I'm not so hot on the non-box style being used on the other pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==I'm back briefly==
Just dealing with a bunch of Indies who want guns... And as you well know, sometimes the production has no idea what they want ... and when they want it. Ugh! But I'm slammed with work so if you send me any messages, I apologize for not responding in a timely manner. best regards
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Armorer page idea ==

Hey, I haven't checked the forums in awhile so I don't know if anyone's had this idea before, but I was wondering if we should set up a way of making pages for movie armorers or at least one page with the armorers and links to the movies they've done. I'm not sure how it would be set up, but I just wanted to consult with anyone else to see if this would be a good idea. I figured these guys do a ton of work and it'd be great to see who all's worked on what, etc. Again, if anyone's had this idea before just ignore this but I was just thinking it might be neat to honor these guys. Let me know what you think! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 05:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

==1911 adaptation==
As a film armorer and fan of older movies I was hopeing you could answer a question I had on blank-adapted automatics in older films. In alot of older movies I have seen automatic pistols are pointed and waved around but most actual shooting is done with revolvers. I read years ago about how 1911 pistols could not be adapted to cycle blanks untill fairly recently, but how well did other automatics handle blanks in the 1920's-40's era films. Also, if you could tell me when exactly the process for altering 1911 pistols was developed it would be greatly appreciated.
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==help==
Can you really identify this gun? I don't know what this gun is in [[Mission: Impossible 2|MI2]].
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I don't know what it is and confused it as a [[Steyr AUG|Steyr AUG HBar]] since the character is moving to much. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]]

==Follow up==
Thank you for your responce to my question concerning blank adaption for 1911 pistols. I quick follow up question on a similar subject occured to recently. Many old WWI movies from the early 1920's feature large numbers of Maxim machine guns and other early recoil operated weapons. Being as many of these guns were the first self-loading designs developed, thus the first guns requiring modification for blanks, how did early armorers approach and solve these issues. Where these early machine easy to modify for blank fire or did they simply fire live rounds on camera as you described. Also, just out of curiosity, when they fired live rounds on screen in early movies did they use standard or special, low-powered ammunition. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Transformers vehicle guns==
Acording to Kenny99 in the film Transformers:Revenge of the fallen there are General Dynamic GAU-19/A's mounted on the NEST vehicles. I've seen the HMMWV mount for the system and I don't remember seeing anything but M134D's on the NEST vehicles. I'm just trying to clear things up as if they are somehow GAU-19's it would be a film first. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Colt 1878 8 gauge like the one in Appaloosa? ==

Steve, I must commend you on your excellent work on the 1878 8 gauge, used in Appaloosa, It looks fantastic!
I'm an avid firearms collector and shooter. After seeing the movie, I would really like to have one of these for my collection! Would you be willing to make a working model for me to buy?
Could you tell me the barrel length of the shotgun? Thank you very much for you time. --[[User:Mrwhite1|Matt]] 17:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC) mrwhite1

==Gun ID Help needed==
Any idea what this pistol is? I think it may be a Star variant, but I have no idea. MPM2008

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==Welcome back!==

Hey, Steve, it's really great to hear from you again! I was wondering where you went, though I figured that it had something to do with a lot of new films requiring your services. Hope to talk more soon. -[[User:MT2008|Matt]]

== New Template ==

I have created two new templates, [[Template:Infobox Movie]], and [[Template:Sortable Table]]. Tell me if you like it, thanks [[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 12:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Obscure colt revolvers==

Hey, I was wondering if you could get me some pics of some very rare colt python models like the silhouette, the grizzly, the hunter, and some others as well as some pics of the .44 automag that was used in sudden impact. and if you have time (im so sorry this list is so damn long) a pic of a mossberg 500 with the wood pump.

==Hi again!==

Long time no see...I take it things have been pretty busy over there?

I tried re-directing ''[[King Kong (1933)]]'' to just ''[[King Kong]]'' (which is OK by IMFDB rules...we usually don't put the date next to the title of the original movie, only the remakes). And it's still in the B category. I will ask Bunni about this, as it's probably another server error. We changed servers recently and have had a large number of problems with the site (including issues with uploading and deleting pictures, accessing accounts, and so on). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

:Out of curiosity, which version of the DVD do you have? I know my parents have one version of the DVD in their collection that was released around the time that the remake ''[[King Kong (2005)]]'' came out. I'm not sure what the quality differences are between the different versions. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

==Hi, how are you?==

Long time no see, but it's good to have you back! How is everything? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I saw the pictures of the Colt Series 80 used by De Niro in ''[[Machete]]'', and the guns from ''[[The Book of Eli]]'', as well as the UMP from ''[[Iron Man]]''. MPM took some really neat pics after his last trip over there. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== Hey Karnes ==
I need help with the Mosin Nagants in We Were Soldiers. Could you tell me what model are those Mosins?

[[Image:Vlcsnap-30819.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nagant and Viet Minh.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26471.jpg|thumb|none|600px|More Nagants and more Viet Minh.]]

--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

We Were Soldiers

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'''The following weapons were used in the film ''We Were Soldiers'':'''
[[Image:We_Were_Soldiers_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''We Were Soldiers'' (2002)]]
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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well. Specialist 4 Russell Adams and his assistant gunner Specialist 4 Bill Beck also use an [[M60]] in a deleted scene.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79713.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An US Army 1st Cavalry door gunner fires his [[M60]] from an Huey helicopter. Note the flak jacket he is wearing and the patch on his right arm, meaning he's a specialist 4.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26359.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Viet Minh soldier carrying an [[PPS-43]] gets shot during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31089.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets blown up by a French grenade while his PPS-43 falls to the ground.]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver. Another one is used by an Victor Charlie fighter during the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ia_Drang Battle of Ia Drang].

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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[[Category:War]]

We Were Soldiers

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'''The following weapons were used in the film ''We Were Soldiers'':'''
[[Image:We_Were_Soldiers_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''We Were Soldiers'' (2002)]]
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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well. Specialist 4 Russell Adams and his assistant gunner Specialist 4 Bill Beck also use an [[M60]] in a deleted scene.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26359.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Viet Minh soldier carrying an [[PPS-43]] gets shot during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31089.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets blown up by a French grenade while his PPS-43 falls to the ground.]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver. Another one is used by an Victor Charlie fighter during the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ia_Drang Battle of Ia Drang].

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well. Specialist 4 Russell Adams and his assistant gunner Specialist 4 Bill Beck also use an [[M60]] in a deleted scene.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26359.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Viet Minh soldier carrying an [[PPS-43]] gets shot during the intro.]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver. Another one is used by an Victor Charlie fighter during the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ia_Drang Battle of Ia Drang].

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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We Were Soldiers

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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well. Specialist 4 Russell Adams and his assistant gunner Specialist 4 Bill Beck also use an [[M60]] in a deleted scene.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver. Another one is used by an Victor Charlie fighter during the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ia_Drang Battle of Ia Drang].

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine Gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver. Another one is used by an Victor Charlie fighter during the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ia_Drang Battle of Ia Drang].

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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We Were Soldiers

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[[Image:We_Were_Soldiers_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''We Were Soldiers'' (2002)]]
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== XM16E1==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|XM16E1]] assault rifle are used by the soldiers of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment including Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]), First Lieutenant Charlie Hastings ([http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046768/ Robert Bagnell]), Second Lieutenant Jack Geoghegan ([[Chris Klein]]), Sergeant Ernie Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and most United States Army soldiers. Later on the film during the Battle of Landing Zone X-Ray, Joe Galloway ([[Barry Pepper]]) uses one as well. The rifles used in this movie were not actual XM16E1s. Real historical XM16E1s had only a partial magazine fence. The rifles were actually M16A1s mocked up to look like XM16E1s, modified with chromed bolt carriers and 3 prong flash hiders.

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used XM16E1 rifle (Hero Gun), carried and fired by Mel Gibson in the film - 5.56mm. This rifle was built from an M16A1 and modified with a chromed bolt carrier and 2nd pattern three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore ([[Mel Gibson]]) lands on LZ X-Ray. "I will be the first to set foot on the field..."]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83078.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier holds his XM16E1; note the forward assist.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-90584.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A specialist holds a XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-83195.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore and another soldier can be seen carrying XM16E1s during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92270.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Savage ([[Ryan Hurst]]) and his men engage the enemy.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91374.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Robert Ouellette ([[Josh Daugherty]]) holds an XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers run from enemy fire while holding their XM16E1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-97294.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) fires back at NVA soldiers with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107213.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded private with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91319.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore asks for sitrep from Capt. Metsker ([[Clark Gregg]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-95915.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A United States Army Private fires his XM16E1 from a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois/ UH-1 Iroquois].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-101337.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore continues to fire his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154249.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal fires at the treeline to goad enemy forces into revealing themselves.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore retrieves more magazines as he tells Major Plumley that they will be last in reserve.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stack of XM16s from the battle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-96165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore is asked to return from the battlefield to give a situation report to his superiors. ]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-135100.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161618.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moore [[Mel Gibson]] fires his XM16E1 and the impressive triangular muzzle flash is seen.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-161898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires the XM16E1. Note the flash suppressor.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Edwards ([[Dylan Walsh]]) gets on the radio to report his situation as the soldier to left has his XM16E1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-98975.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with his XM16E1.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94579.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenent Colonel Hal Moore([[Mel Gibson]]) fires back with his XM16E1 after a enemy bullet hits his flashlight.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-131762.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two wounded US Army specialists with their XM16E1s at the ready.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

A Korean war era [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by the ARVN interpreter dressed in tiger stripe fatigues. He appears in the scene in which the NVA scout is captured and interrogated. Viet Minh soldiers also use them against the French during the intro.

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M1 Carbine with Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33726.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a M1 Carbine to a French soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82336.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter lands on the Ia Drang Valley with his [[M1 Carbine]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91624.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter wielding a [[M1 Carbine]] interrogates the NVA soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91714.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The South Vietnamese interpreter points his [[M1 Carbine]] at the captured NVA soldier. Note the Bayonet Lug.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

The [[M60 machine gun]] is used by several US soldiers. Various door gunners use them as well.

[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M60 WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An M60 team lays down fire.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39931.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers train with their M60's.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-82893.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires a M60 during the Battle of LZ X-Ray.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40045.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the M60 during the training]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-39994.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A FPS view of a M60 firing in training.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75605.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier can be seen holding a M60 on the left.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-91127.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 is seen with the bipod down during one of the training exercises.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-102263.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner gets plastered against his helicopter while holding a [[M60 machine gun]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106362.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door gunner fires his M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126262.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A machine gun team firing their M60.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154314.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US machine gunner provides supressing fire with his [[M60]] while the rest of the 1/7CAV troopers prepare to conduct a bayonet charge against the NVA position.]]

== M1911 ==

A Colt [[M1911]] is used by Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley ([[Sam Elliott]]) as his main weapon since he prefers the .45 to the XM16E1, which he calls a "Piece of Plastic". It is strange to see the first model of the M1911 being used by Plumley since the M1911 was replaced in 1924 by the improved [[M1911A1]] which was the sidearm of the US Military in the Vietnam War, World War 2 and the Korean War. It could be that the M1911 was used to make Plumley more "Badass". As if a Sergeant Major that fought against a entire regiment of heavily armed NVA and a NFL Battalion armed only with an M1911A1 was not badass enough.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99097.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gentleman. Prepare to Defend Yourselves!" Plumley Cocks his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-137131.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley reloads his M1911.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-155397.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Plumley fires his M1911.]]

== M1911A1 ==

A Colt [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen in the holster of Lt. Col. Hal Moore and most of the soldiers of the 1st Cavalry Division that appear in the movie. Some soldiers use the M1911A1s.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-133597.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An soldier with his M1911A1.]]

== M26 Hand Grenades ==

In several scenes, U.S. soldiers can be seen with [[M26 hand grenade]]s strapped to their pouches.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M26 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:WWSM26Frag.JPG|thumb|none|600px|An production photo of Captain Nadal and his RTO patrol the battlefield with M16s in hand and M26 hand grenades strapped to their pouches. Note the trigger discipline, fingers resting alongside the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93047.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US soldiers drag an dead or wounded soldier off the battle. Three M26s can be seen in his pouche.]]
== PPSh-41 ==

The NVA and the Vietcong use [[PPSh-41 / PPSh-43|PPSh-41]]s submachine guns during the intro sequence and the rest of the movie, with both the standard drum magazine and 35-round box magazines.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30728.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier gets shot while holding a PPSh-41.]]
[[Image:Ppsh41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev with 35-round box magazine]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31305.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds a PPSh-41 with a 35-round box magazine.]]

== PPS-43 ==

The Viet Minh uses [[PPS-43]] submachine guns along side their SKS's and [[PPSh-41]]s to waste the French soldiers in the intro sequence that takes place in 1953 in the Indochina War. During the rest of the movie, the PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam, the formal name of the PAVN. Also known as the NVA for North Vietnamese Army.) and Vietcong (Informal name for the National Liberation Front, also known as the NLF.) use the [[PPS-43]] sub machine guns against US Army soldiers in the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An PPS-43 submachine gun. Also incorrectly called PPS''h''-43. 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]

== AK-47 ==

During the movie the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) use genuine [[AK-47]]s with milled receivers. Victor Charlie (The official name NATO gave to the Vietcong) fighters also use AK-47s. The AK-47s used in the movie were built by the Movie's Armourer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac].

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-103898.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers fire their AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-123086.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier moves in the dark with a AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128590.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A charlie gets shot and drops his [[AK-47]]. Note bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-128779.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN (People's Army of Vietnam) soldier reloads his AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-129123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same scared PAVN soldier rushes through the jungle and trys to bayonet [[Mel Gibson]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-130516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same PAVN soldier gets hit in the head by a single round from Moore [[Mel Gibson]]'s XM16E1. Note the milled receiver.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-156900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA soldiers armed with AK-47s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158010.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pile of [[AK-47]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-106465.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the receiver of the AK-47 carried by a NVA soldier who gets waxed by the chargin' americans.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158182.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier aims his AK-47 at the US Army soldiers when they charge the NVA position.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113810.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier gets wasted by the Huey helicopters and their M134 miniguns. All while still firing his AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114077.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same NVA soldier from the above screencap gets thrown across a wagon. Notice how he has his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pith_helmet Pith helmet] back on.]]

== M79 Grenade Launcher ==

Various US soldiers can be seen carrying [[M79 grenade launcher]]s in a few scenes. Specialist Galen Bungum ([[Blake Heron]]) uses one since he is the grenadier of Sergeant Savage's squad.

[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-41883.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier jumps from a chopper during training while carryng a [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93589.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American soldier fires his [[M79 grenade launcher]].]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93116.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An American grenadier gets shot while holding his M79.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-40534.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bungum's M79 slung over his back.]]

== MAS-36 Rifle ==

In the opening scene where the French soldiers are ambushed during the French-Indochinese War, various french soldiers use [[MAS-36]] rifles.

[[Image:MAS36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MAS-36 7.5x54mm French]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23252.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French convoy gets ambushed.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23792.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers armed with [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25677.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two French soldiers fire their [[MAS-36 rifle]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31354.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier gets shot while holding a [[MAS-36 rifle]].]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 13 Aircrewman ==

The .38 caliber revolver pulled out by Maj. Bruce "Snake Shit" Crandall ([[Greg Kinnear]]) is most likely a Smith & Wesson M-13 Aircrewman, an unsuccessful lightweight aluminum-cylindered revolver designed for US military flyers. This was part of a generally badly thought-out push to make things from aluminum in the 1960s, also resulting in the M551 Sheridan's lightweight aluminum armour which could be penetrated by machine gun fire and a number of disastrous fires on warships with aluminum superstructures. In 2007, the real Crandall was awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Ia Drang Valley.

[[Image:Skt239.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson M-13 .38 Special, demonstrating WHY the aluminum cylinder was unsuccessful.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113243.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Model 13 in Snake Shit's holster when he gets out of his Huey at Regiment Headquarters.]]
[[Image:Revolver WWS.JPG|thumb|none|600px|"You have the balls to face me and not the balls to face the enemy?" Crandall pulls his Model 13 after he gets reprimanded by a medavac pilot.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-113651.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

A pair of [[GE M134 Minigun]]s are seen mounted on the gunship Hueys that rip apart PAVN soldiers in the climax of the film, and one is also on display on a table near the beginning of the film.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|500px|GE M134 Minigun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-38494.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Aircav officers admire the M134 Minigun before Moore briefs them on their mission.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-114448.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One Huey helicopter fires it's mounted M134.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-117926.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M134 Minigun mounted on a UH-1 helicopter.]]

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

As the American soldiers are heading off for battle you can see a South Vietnamese soldier holding up an [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] with a 30-round magazine.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson .45 ACP with 30-round box magazine.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-79844.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gary Owen! ARVN soldier with a M1928A1 Thompson as well as other U.S. soldiers cheer the rest of the 1st Cavalry as they prepare to enter the Ia Drang.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Two [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]]s can be seen mounted on French jeeps on the intro sequence.

[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 30-06]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-30185.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier fires the Browning M1919A4 at Viet Minh forces.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23377.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 can be seen mounted on the jeep on the left.]]

== MAT-49 ==

Various French Soldiers use [[MAT-49]] submachine guns during the opening Scene. Various NVA and VC soldiers use them during the rest of the movie, probably scavenged from French and South Vietnamese troops during the Indochina war.

[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A MAT-49 submachine gun 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-22831.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French soldier can be seen with a [[MAT-49]] in the center of the screencap.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-165653.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAT-49 sits on the top of the pile of guns while US soldiers pile up dead NVA soldiers in the background.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72625.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Vietcong fighter gets shot while holding his MAT-49.]]

== RPG-2 ==

An NVA soldier wearing a gas mask uses an [[RPG-2]] (Vietnamese made version was known as the B-40) to kill American soldiers.

[[Image:Rpg-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-2 40mm with PG-2 rocket]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-126730.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carrying the RPG-2 prepares to engage the American forces.]]

== SKS Rifle ==

Several Viet Minh soldiers and NVA soldiers use [[SKS rifle]]s during intro sequence and during the Battle of Ia Drang.

[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26996.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh soldiers rush the French in the intro of the movie. Note how you can see a Kar98k in the backround.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-33261.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier holds his SKS to a French soldier]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34495.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh officer picks up an French Bungle during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34672.jpg|thumb|none|600px|POV of a Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23999.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the French with his SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-25555.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier with his SKS.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28285.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier before being blown up by a French grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28497.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet Minh to the left-centre is armed with a SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-77472.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier comes out of a underground base armed with an SKS rifle.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-49825.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier rushes the french during the intro.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-75037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA or Vietcong soldier runs around with his SKS while the Ia Drang valley burns in the background by the napalm bombs dropped by United States Air Force planes.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-99460.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A NVA soldier armed with a SKS creeps throught the dark.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-92508.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers tending after their DShK. Which is in reality an American M2. The soldier on the left has an SKS. The one on the right has an AK-47 like the rest of the NVA soldiers in the background.]]

== Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine ==

During the intro sequence a Viet Minh soldier can be seen with a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]].

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Viet minh soldier in the center of the screencap has a M44 carbine while the other Viet Minh soldier has a Kar98k.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A Viet Minh soldier during the intro sequence and a Vietcong soldier later on can be seen using [[Karabiner 98k]] rifles. It should be noted that acording to one of the Armorers of the film, Steve Karnes, the Kar98ks used in the movie came from Israel and were chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Kar98K is carried by one of Viet Minh soldiers]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Victor Charlie with a Kar98k.]]

== M1A1 "Bazooka" ==

A Viet Minh soldier uses an [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 "Bazooka"]] with a modified rear sight to destroy a French jeep during the intro sequence. While it seems that a Viet Minh soldier using a Bazooka could be a anachronism, the French army widely used the M1A1, [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M9A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M9A1]] "Bazookas" and [[M1 Rocket Launcher "Bazooka"#M20 "Super Bazooka" (3.5" Rocket)|M20 "Super Bazooka"]] during the Indochina War. The Viet Minh widely used scavanged French weapons during the Indochina War, and the PAVN and Vietcong also widely used them during the Vietnam War.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 "Bazooka" 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Viet Minh soldier fires at French soldiers with a M1A1 "Bazooka". Note the modified rear sight and how it has only one grip.]]

== Degtyaryov DP-28 Machine Gun ==

In the scene where the men of the 1st Cavalry Division perform a bayonet charge against the NVA position (an event which actually didn't happen in real life), a small crew of PAVN soldiers man a DP-28, a varient of the Soviet [[Degtyarov DP Series Machine Gun|Degtyarov light machine gun]].

[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyaryov DP-28 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Degtyaryov DP-28 machine gun is glimpsed as Moore's troops advance.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A DP-28 is seen among the fallen NVA soldiers as the Huey gunship continues to fire.]]

== Type 67 Grenade ==

A Chinese [[Type 67 hand grenade]] is thrown at the 1st Cavalry Division's position.

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Type 67 hand grenade lands near a U.S. soldier]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==

During the Battle of Ia Drang, one PAVN soldier can be seen carrying an [[RPD Light Machine Gun]].

[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An NVA soldier carries an [[RPD]] to the left of the screencap.]]

== ZB26 Light Machine Gun ==

A [[ZB26 Machine GunZB26 machine gun]] is used by a Viet Minh machine gunner during the opening sequence of the film set during the Indochina War. Acording to Steve Karnes, The Movie's Armourer, the ZB26 used in the movie was sold to the Chinese and converted to 7.62x39 later in its life. It also has Chinese Characters on the side of the receiver.

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ZB26 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Close Up of the ZB26 in the hands of a Viet Minh Soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same scene]]

== MG34 Machine Gun==

When the American Soldiers charge the NVA position, a two man crew of NVA soldiers man an [[MG34|MG34 machine gun]] before they get killed by the Huey helicopters. One NVA soldier also mans another MG34 in the same scene.

[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158234.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two NVA soldiers man a MG34 machine gun.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158338.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A different NVA machine gunner aims his MG34 at the oncoming American forces.]]

==Fake DShK Heavy Machine Gun==

A [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen manned by an NVA machine gun team in the final battle before being wasted by the Huey helicopters. The DShK seen in the film is actually an [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] machine gun mocked up to look like a DShK.

[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG on M3 tripod]]
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-157072.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A PAVN soldier cocks the fake DShK in the final sequence of the movie. Note the M2 charging handle in the right side of the receiver, showing that the DShK is actually an Browning M2HB.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-158101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA machine gun team from the above screencap aims the fake DShK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-119805.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M2HB after the machine gun team gets killed by the UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.]]

== Browning Hi-Power Pistol ==

During the Intro of the Movie set during the Indochina War, a French Officer uses his Siderarm, a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol, to kill several Viet Minh soldiers before being killed himself. The use of the Browning Hi-Power pistol by the French Army in the movie is an error. The Armourers couln't get French MAB pistols and since Hi-Powers were at the region the Armourers used those Hi-Powers instead.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Army officer fires his [[Browning Hi-Power]] at a Viet Minh soldier.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The French Officer gets bayoneted by a Viet Minh Officer.]]

== M34 White Phosphorous Grenade ==

In one scene, an wounded NVA soldier throws an [[M34 White Phosphorous grenade]] (Nicknamed Willy Pete by US Military personel) at Sergeant Forrester, severely wounding him.

[[Image:M34 2-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M34 White Phosphorous grenade]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-93657.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The NVA soldier, covered in blood and burn marks, pins the M34 grenade.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-94126.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Forrester (Who is armed with an XM16E1 and an 7.62x51mm NATO Bullet belt.) gets his face burned by the Willy Pete.]]

== Remington 870 ==
In a deleted scene, Bungum's wife uses an [[Remington 870]] to shoot skeet. The version used is the hunting version.

Note: The quality of the screencaps are low due to the fact that the scene was deleted.
[[Image:Vlcsnap-154940.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Specialist Bungum's wife firing the Remington.]]

== Notes ==

There are several errors also in the uniforms of French troops.
- 1) No lieutenant from "troupes de Marine" (2 golden horizontal stripes on bleu) whould have a white kepi (Kepi blanc for Foreign Legion soldiers only, excluding NCOs and officers)
- 2) The red berets are worne the wrong way (Insigna on the right in France for all the Army. Only exception French Navy Commando green berets)
- 3) Insigna on the red berets are wrong (infantry instead of paratroopers)
Sorry, not hardware but military exactitude as well

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Stander

2009-11-24T17:33:56Z

Oliveira: /* Vektor R4 */

Reservoir Dogs

2009-11-24T14:43:33Z

Oliveira: /* Beretta Jetfire */

'''The following weapons were used in the film Reservoir Dogs:'''

[[Image:ReserviorDogs.gif|right|300px|''Reservoir Dogs'' (1992)]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 659 ==
Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), Mr. Orange ([[Tim Roth]]), Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), and Mr. Blonde ([[Michael Madsen]]) were all armed with one [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] 9mm pistol. They are distinguished from 1911s and other Smith & Wesson variants by their second generation features, stainless steel construction, and double stack frames. Though all of the guns look to be the same, some have the old squared trigger guards, and some have round ones.

[[Image:S&W659 RD-MrPink.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 659 - 9x19mm. This is the Screen used Hero Gun held and fired by "Mister Pink" [[Steve Buscemi]] in the film [[Reservoir Dogs]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink fires his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] at the police. Note the X screw holding the right hand decocker lever in place. for some reason his 659 has a rounded trigger guard here.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink takes out his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] to reload it. Note the Barrel bushing and double stack frame.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink cocks his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]]. Note the screws in the panel grips.]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink and Mr. White have a standoff as Mr. Pink lay on the ground. Mr. Pink draws his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] while Mr. White draws his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Blonde produces duct tape with which to gag the captured police officer, his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] in a shoulder holster.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange aims his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] at Mr. Blonde. Note the round trigger guard.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange uses his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] to try and get up.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 639 ==

Though everyone is given a [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] for the robbery, Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]) is seen using a [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with Pachmayr grips. We can assume, being that he is a professional thief, that this is his personal gun, and not a continuity error in the film. During the getaway, he is seen dual wielding his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]], further strengthening this theory. In the special edition DVD, on the second disk a deleted scene can be found which briefly shows Mr White's/Larry Dimmick's police record. This informs us that his weapon of choice is a Smith and Wesson 9mm, even further strengthening the personal 639 theory.

[[Image:S&W639 ResDog MWte.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 639 with Pachmayr grips - 9x19mm. This is the Screen used 639 carried and fired by [[Harvey Keitel]] in the film [[Reservoir Dogs]].]].
[[Image:RDSW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White 'Mexican carries" his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]]. Note the lack of ambidextrous safety, black, rounded backstrap, and Pachmayr grips.]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink and Mr. White have a standoff as Mr. Pink lay on the ground. Mr. Pink draws his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] while Mr. White draws his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White uses his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] when firing at the police.]]
[[Image:RDSW639-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White holds his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] on Joe.]]
[[Image:RDSW639SW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White brandishing his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] in the Mexican standoff with Joe and Eddie at the end. Eddie has his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose aimed at Mr. White, prepared to kill him.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 6906 ==

When Mr. Orange ([[Harvey Keitel]]) hits Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), you can briefly see his gun holstered, though it has changed to a [[Smith & Wesson 6906]].

[[Image:S&W6906LEFT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 6906 - 9mm]]
[[Image:RDSW6906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MR Pink gets knocked down by Mr. White, revealing his holstered [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] with a silver magazine baseplate.]]

==Beretta Jetfire ==

Mr.Orange ([[Tim Roth]]), packs 2 handguns while getting ready to meet Nice Guy Eddie ([[Chris Penn]]) Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), and Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]) for a meeting with Joe Cabot ([[Lawrence Tierney]]). The automatic he holsters at his ankle is a [[Beretta Jetfire]] in .25 ACP.

[[Image:PicB_950_jetfire.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Jetfire - .25 ACP‎]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange loads his [[Beretta Jetfire]].]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange checks the chamber of his [[Beretta Jetfire]].]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange puts his [[Beretta Jetfire]] in an ankle holster. Typically, ankle holsters are located on the inside of the shooter's leg opposite their dominant hand. In other words, Mr. Oranges holster should be on the inside of his left leg. rather than the outside of his right leg.]]

== Charter Arms Off Duty ==

Mr. Orange's ([[Tim Roth]]'s) second gun is a [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] with Pachmayr grips. He checks to make sure the cylinder is loaded, swings the cylinder back in, and then places it in his coat pocket.

[[Image:CharterArmsOffDuty.png|thumb|none|400px|Charter Arms Off Duty with Pachmayr Grips - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RDOffDutyJetfire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange goes to load his [[Beretta Jetfire]], next to his [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] revolver.]]
[[Image:RDCharter.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange checks the cylinder of his [[Charter Arms Off Duty]].]]

== Colt Detective Special ==

After Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]) kills the pursuing cops with his two pistols, he and Mr. Orange ([[Tim Roth]]) walk until they find a car driving by. They aim their guns at the driver, a woman, and attempt to take it. She produces a pre-1972 nickel plated [[Colt Detective Special]] from her glove compartment and shoots Mr. Orange in the stomach as he opens the door to pull her out of the car. Another Detective Special is "Mexican carried" by Joe ([[Lawrence Tierney]]), distinguished as a Detective Special by it's round edged butt.

[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RDDetSpec.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman aims her [[Colt Detective Special]] at Mr. Orange in an attempt to defend herself.]]
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[[Image:RDDetSpec-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe with a [[Colt Detective Special]] in his waistband. Note the rounded edges on the butt.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose ==

In the final standoff between Eddie ([[Chris Penn]]), Joe Cabot ([[Lawrence Tierney]]), and Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), Eddie aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose at Mr. White, threatening to kill him if he doesn't take his gun off of Joe.

[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RDSW639SW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White brandishing his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] in the final standoff with Joe and Eddie. Eddie has his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose aimed at Mr. White, prepared to kill him.]]
[[Image:RDSW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eddie aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose at Mr. White.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==

One of the police officers in the scene where Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]) is being chased has a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] revolver.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:RDSW19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The police pursue Mr. Pink, the center one carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] revolver.]]

== Colt Trooper MK III ==

The cop on the far right of those pursuing Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), has a [[Colt Trooper#Colt Trooper MK III|Colt Trooper MK III]].

[[Image:Pix997283765.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Trooper Mark III with 4" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RDColtTrooperMKIII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The cop on the far right has a [[Colt Trooper#Colt Trooper MK III|Colt Trooper MK III]].]]

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[[Category:Crime]]

Reservoir Dogs

2009-11-24T14:41:44Z

Oliveira: /* Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose */

'''The following weapons were used in the film Reservoir Dogs:'''

[[Image:ReserviorDogs.gif|right|300px|''Reservoir Dogs'' (1992)]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 659 ==
Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), Mr. Orange ([[Tim Roth]]), Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), and Mr. Blonde ([[Michael Madsen]]) were all armed with one [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] 9mm pistol. They are distinguished from 1911s and other Smith & Wesson variants by their second generation features, stainless steel construction, and double stack frames. Though all of the guns look to be the same, some have the old squared trigger guards, and some have round ones.

[[Image:S&W659 RD-MrPink.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 659 - 9x19mm. This is the Screen used Hero Gun held and fired by "Mister Pink" [[Steve Buscemi]] in the film [[Reservoir Dogs]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink fires his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] at the police. Note the X screw holding the right hand decocker lever in place. for some reason his 659 has a rounded trigger guard here.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink takes out his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] to reload it. Note the Barrel bushing and double stack frame.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink cocks his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]]. Note the screws in the panel grips.]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink and Mr. White have a standoff as Mr. Pink lay on the ground. Mr. Pink draws his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] while Mr. White draws his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Blonde produces duct tape with which to gag the captured police officer, his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] in a shoulder holster.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange aims his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] at Mr. Blonde. Note the round trigger guard.]]
[[Image:RDSW659-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange uses his [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] to try and get up.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 639 ==

Though everyone is given a [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] for the robbery, Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]) is seen using a [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with Pachmayr grips. We can assume, being that he is a professional thief, that this is his personal gun, and not a continuity error in the film. During the getaway, he is seen dual wielding his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]], further strengthening this theory. In the special edition DVD, on the second disk a deleted scene can be found which briefly shows Mr White's/Larry Dimmick's police record. This informs us that his weapon of choice is a Smith and Wesson 9mm, even further strengthening the personal 639 theory.

[[Image:S&W639 ResDog MWte.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 639 with Pachmayr grips - 9x19mm. This is the Screen used 639 carried and fired by [[Harvey Keitel]] in the film [[Reservoir Dogs]].]].
[[Image:RDSW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White 'Mexican carries" his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]]. Note the lack of ambidextrous safety, black, rounded backstrap, and Pachmayr grips.]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Pink and Mr. White have a standoff as Mr. Pink lay on the ground. Mr. Pink draws his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] while Mr. White draws his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]].]]
[[Image:RDSW659SW639-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White uses his personal [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] with his issued [[Smith & Wesson 659|Smith & Wesson Model 659]] when firing at the police.]]
[[Image:RDSW639-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White holds his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] on Joe.]]
[[Image:RDSW639SW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White brandishing his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] in the Mexican standoff with Joe and Eddie at the end. Eddie has his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose aimed at Mr. White, prepared to kill him.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 6906 ==

When Mr. Orange ([[Harvey Keitel]]) hits Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), you can briefly see his gun holstered, though it has changed to a [[Smith & Wesson 6906]].

[[Image:S&W6906LEFT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 6906 - 9mm]]
[[Image:RDSW6906.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MR Pink gets knocked down by Mr. White, revealing his holstered [[Smith & Wesson 6906]] with a silver magazine baseplate.]]

==Beretta Jetfire ==

Mr.Orange ([[Tim Roth]]), packs 2 handguns while getting ready to meet Nice Guy Eddie ([[Chris Penn]]) Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), and Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]) for a meeting with Joe ([[Lawrence Tierney]]). The automatic he holsters at his ankle is a [[Beretta Jetfire]] in .25 ACP.

[[Image:PicB_950_jetfire.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta Jetfire - .25 ACP‎]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange loads his [[Beretta Jetfire]].]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange checks the chamber of his [[Beretta Jetfire]].]]
[[Image:RDJetfire-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange puts his [[Beretta Jetfire]] in an ankle holster. Typically, ankle holsters are located on the inside of the shooter's leg opposite their dominant hand. In other words, Mr. Oranges holster should be on the inside of his left leg. rather than the outside of his right leg.]]

== Charter Arms Off Duty ==

Mr. Orange's ([[Tim Roth]]'s) second gun is a [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] with Pachmayr grips. He checks to make sure the cylinder is loaded, swings the cylinder back in, and then places it in his coat pocket.

[[Image:CharterArmsOffDuty.png|thumb|none|400px|Charter Arms Off Duty with Pachmayr Grips - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RDOffDutyJetfire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange goes to load his [[Beretta Jetfire]], next to his [[Charter Arms Off Duty]] revolver.]]
[[Image:RDCharter.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. Orange checks the cylinder of his [[Charter Arms Off Duty]].]]

== Colt Detective Special ==

After Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]) kills the pursuing cops with his two pistols, he and Mr. Orange ([[Tim Roth]]) walk until they find a car driving by. They aim their guns at the driver, a woman, and attempt to take it. She produces a pre-1972 nickel plated [[Colt Detective Special]] from her glove compartment and shoots Mr. Orange in the stomach as he opens the door to pull her out of the car. Another Detective Special is "Mexican carried" by Joe ([[Lawrence Tierney]]), distinguished as a Detective Special by it's round edged butt.

[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RDDetSpec.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A woman aims her [[Colt Detective Special]] at Mr. Orange in an attempt to defend herself.]]
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[[Image:RDDetSpec-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe with a [[Colt Detective Special]] in his waistband. Note the rounded edges on the butt.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose ==

In the final standoff between Eddie ([[Chris Penn]]), Joe Cabot ([[Lawrence Tierney]]), and Mr. White ([[Harvey Keitel]]), Eddie aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose at Mr. White, threatening to kill him if he doesn't take his gun off of Joe.

[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RDSW639SW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mr. White brandishing his [[Smith & Wesson 639|Smith & Wesson Model 639]] in the final standoff with Joe and Eddie. Eddie has his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose aimed at Mr. White, prepared to kill him.]]
[[Image:RDSW66SN.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eddie aims his [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] Snub Nose at Mr. White.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==

One of the police officers in the scene where Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]) is being chased has a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] revolver.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:RDSW19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The police pursue Mr. Pink, the center one carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] revolver.]]

== Colt Trooper MK III ==

The cop on the far right of those pursuing Mr. Pink ([[Steve Buscemi]]), has a [[Colt Trooper#Colt Trooper MK III|Colt Trooper MK III]].

[[Image:Pix997283765.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Trooper Mark III with 4" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RDColtTrooperMKIII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The cop on the far right has a [[Colt Trooper#Colt Trooper MK III|Colt Trooper MK III]].]]

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[[Category:Crime]]

Carlito's Way

2009-11-23T17:57:06Z

Oliveira: /* Browning Hi-Power */ Putting up a image.

Carlito's Way

2009-11-23T17:54:12Z

Oliveira: /* Colt MK IV Series 70 */ Even more.

Carlito's Way

2009-11-23T17:53:46Z

Oliveira: /* Colt MK IV Series 70 */ More grammar correcting.

Carlito's Way

2009-11-23T17:52:56Z

Oliveira: /* Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snub Nose */ Correcting grammar.

Talk:We Were Soldiers

2009-11-22T23:18:36Z

Oliveira: /* M1911 (moved from main) */

== About The ARVN Soldier ==

He's ARVN, note the beret [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:You´r right. I Dont really know much about the ARVN. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]]

== About the XM16A1 ==

These are actually M16E1s, which were available to the men of the 1st Cavalry Division at the time of the Battle of Ia Drang and therefore not an anachronism. The M16E1 (sometimes also known as the XM16E1) was a variant of the M16 that featured a forward assist but maintained the three-pronged flashhider of the original M16. If you look closly in some of the posted photographs as well as throughout the film, this is readily apparent.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 20:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:You´r right too. I never noticed the forward assist on the pre-1967 M16.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]]

== SKS Rilfes ==

You see an SKS here and there in the hands of North Vietnamese soldiers and on the pile of guns at the end of the film.

== Need Help ==

I need help identifying the guns in those screencaps: The Mosin-Nagant is a Model 44 not sure about the country of origin but can check during the week. The Mauser is a K98K that came from Israel chamber for 7.62 NATO we used in the location. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

(comment-Yeah the Mosin is a M44. I would recognize that gun anywhere.-S&Wshooter)

[[Image:Vlcsnap-34173.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I need help identifying the mosin-nagant that the Viet Minh is carrying in the centre and the mauser rifle the Viet Minh is carrying in the right side.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-70352.jpg|thumb|none|500px|I think the rifle the vietcong fighter is carrying in this screencap is the same mauser rifle from the screencap above.]]

Need Help identifying the rocket launcher in the screencap below. The Rocket Launcher is a M1A1 Bazooka it has only one forward grip and a modified rear sight.- [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-23699.jpg|thumb|none|500px|.]]

I need help identifying what kind of mosin-nagants are those in the screencaps below. These are M91/38 Carbines used on the show we also had M91/30 rifles.- [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-30819.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-26471.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
::Steve, could you tell me at what part in the movie do M91/30 rifles appear? I didn't see them.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:We had them on the truck and issued them to background but not sure if they made it to the final cut. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
::Those two Mosin Nagants in the above pictures are M91/30 rifles or M91/38 rifles?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I need help identifying the machine gun being carried by the Viet Minh soldier in the screencaps below.
:It is a Czech [[ZB26]] sold the the Chinese and was converted to 7.62x39 later in it's life. The weapon has Chinese characters on the side of the receiver.- [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-34273.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-34330.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the mosin-nagant in the background.]]

I need help identifying the pistol that the french officer uses in the intro sequence. I will get back to you on this one later.- [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
:Went back and looked at the weapons list for the film it was a Browning Hi Power since we were unable to get a French MAB and HiPowers were in the region at that time. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-28610.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-31533.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

I need help identifying the grenade in the screencap below. The grenade is a Chinese Type 67 Hand Grenade.- [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-134626.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

I need help identifying the machine gun carried by the NVA soldier in the left-centre of the screencap. I think it might be a RPD but i am not sure. The weapon is a RPD that the NVA soldier is carrying. Loaded many belts for the weapon during filming. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-72255.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

I also need help identifying what kind of degtyaryov machine gun is in the screencaps below. The weapon is a DP-28 that we used on the show. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

[[Image:Vlcsnap-164041.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-163052.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

I think i gonna need Steve to help me in this one.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:36, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Taken from the main article ==

[[Image:Vlcsnap-132650.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joe Galloway([[Barry Pepper]]) with his XM16E1 at the ready. He has a pretty good grip for someone that is not a soldier.]]
::He was a non combatant Army soldier, who mostly likley fired that or the M14 during basic. He knows how to shoot. I.E. Saving Private Ryan."- Tyler Durden

::Actually during the battle of Ia drang Joe Galloway carried a XM16E1 and a revolver for self-defense and before going in the battle he was trained on how to use it while in the movie he goes to the battlefield empty handed.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
==Mosin Rifles==
I really feel for the poor sons of bitches that got stuck with the M44's. That gun is a monster to shoot and the bolt is the exact opposite of smooth-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

==MG34==
How did the VC get the German weapons?Did they get it from the Soviet Union who scavenged it from German troops during WW2? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yep, that's where they got the Kar98ks and MP40s. Both were common in the hands of NVA and Victor Charlie troops in the Nam. They also got some K98ks from China.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Almost Finished ==
I'm almost finished with this. I only need to find out about the Mosin Nagants and put pictures of the Miniguns and the grenades and some other things.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

== Screencap Describtions==

Who added the stupid-ass describtions under the screencaps that have absolutly no relation to the movie? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::I agree, Dumbass sarcastic remarks are stupid. Made by guys who like to belittle a film based on a single FRAME of film. BTW, people in the industry do look at this site, and those dumbass sarcastic comments do rub them the wrong way. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::::I suppose you hate the [[Far Cry 2]] comments too.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::I don't look at VG game pages as a rule. I have absolutely no interest in them. But I glanced at it, but there is a big difference. On movie pages you're insulting real people who actually look at this site, on a video game page, comments usually are insulting bad decisions in development or game play or artwork which is not the same as insulting a human being. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but we are insulting a human being's work. Anyway, i see the difference and i see that i taking the Far Cry 2 article as a reference was foolish. I also asked Vangelis to do that because the captions were getting boring and generic. Ben41 fixed that though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
: I did, because Oliveira asked me to when he was updating the article. To be honest, I wasn't that sure about some of them, though in many cases the captions they replaced were useless to the point of being insulting (describing what was obviously going on in the shot, typically, as if we write captions for the selectively blind). Also, pointing out people in the background are grinning like idiots ''does'' have something to do with the movie, much like pointing out people have very poor weapon handling skills does (and is done on many other pages). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 20:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Also, the captions are hilarious-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::I am sorry, I too feel that they are somewhat inappropriate. I realize that it is a movie, but these are not fictional characters, they are based on real people. I feel those regarding the wounded are espiecially inappropriate. If you wish to find hilarity, watch a comedy, this is a serious war film and this is a serious webpage regarding it, so let the content reflect that. User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 07:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::I actually had the idea of the descriptions because the movie is depressing as all hell.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well thats war for you. This is one of the more accurate war movie in Hollywood and it is susposed to be depressing. The dumb comments are rude and dishonorable to the vets and men who died. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== Safety First. ==

Anyone notice that in two of the AK47 screencaps the safeties are on in combat situations?

== M1911 (moved from main) ==
:No, he really did that-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::Wait, Plumley actually carried a M1911 not an M1911A1 in the battle?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
No, he didn't use an M16 because it looked too flimsy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::Oh. Okey then. I wasn't saying he used and M16. I was just saying that he probably used an M1911A1.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:12, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::Sam Elliot carried an M1911 NOT an M1911A1 in the film. that is 100% confirmed. Mel Gibson did carry an M1911A1, but Elliot carried the M1911. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I was refering to the real battle.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:18, 22 November 2009 (UTC)