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Talk:Arrow - Season 1

2014-05-31T13:59:35Z

MrMiracle: /* FIM-92 Stinger */ new section

==Enfield L85A2==

Must be airsoft as the british goverment is very reluctant to sell these into private hands plus any members of the british army and royal marines i know could not curse this weapon enough --[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 14:46, 26 July 2013 (EDT)
: You do realize that the L85 has appeared in at least a dozen movies, and some of them are real? Children of Men, Dog Soldiers, Firefly, etc?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 19:14, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

Unlikely for a short scene, I don't recall them firing or even appearing at all, someone should identify Slade's 1911's , alhough and I could be wrong here , but they could be star-b's --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 08:37, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

::It's possible that these L85s are airsoft, but I can tell you that the Canadian armory that supplies this show with its weapons (Felcan Enterprises in Vancouver) definitely has some real L85s. They appear in the Season 2 finale of ''[[Dark Angel]]'', and actually fire blanks in that episode. I also know for a fact that Independent Studio Services in the United States has a handful of real L85s, though I believe that they are the only American armory which has them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 12:35, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

Well could be if they needed lots of unspecified guns and just threw in whatever was available, but that is hardly important, example person of interest uses airsoft pistols and you actually see an airsoft mag in one episode, I doubt its necessary to mention it here, theres still lots of stuff to identify. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:32, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

==Others==
Fyers obviously has a star, all the others seem like genuine 1911 of various makes. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:10, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

:You know what type of Star pistol it is? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] ([[User talk:Ominae|talk]]) 21:21, 3 August 2013 (EDT)

Probably a model B, but still should be separated since it clearly is not an actual 1911 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:54, 4 August 2013 (EDT)

==CZ 75 P-07 Duty==
Just me, or does it look like a SIG P226?--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:15, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

Because it probably is, judging by the what seem to be full lenght rear cocking serations and because it has none in front of the disassembly lever and because there is no reason a background extra would have such a specific gun when we know the armorer has dozens of sig's previously distributed to police extras --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 04:59, 14 August 2013 (EDT)--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 04:59, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

:Might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, that's a GBB airsoft P226R. When it fires, it doesn't seem to eject any shell casings. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 17:43, 20 November 2013 (EST)

== Mossberg Shotguns? ==

Anybody else think both of the shotguns currently listed as Mossberg variants aren't? The second one listed as a 590A1 is the easiest to disprove, as there is no safety visible on the receiver in either of the shots. From how rounded the back of the ejection port looks, my guess would be an 870. As for the one listed as a homeland defender, this turns up in [[Arrow - Season 2|season 2]] where it can be seen that the barrel is way too short for a normal homeland defender. Also I can't see a mossberg safety, although it isn't particularly well seen. Based on the fact that both shotguns seem to have short barrels and XS Ghost Ring sights, I would guess that they may actually be built from the same gun, just that the first one is fitted with a muzzle brake and Surefire handguard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:56, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
:Agreed on the 590, but it's a bit dark to make out details on the homeland defender. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:12, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

::Yes, they are 870s with the Knoxx SPECOPS stock. Look at other TV shows and movies filmed in Vancouver recently (''[[Sucker Punch (2011)]]'', ''[[Continuum]]'', ''[[Underworld: Awakening]]'', etc.) - in all of those productions, the shotguns are listed as 870s. And since this show gets its weapons from the same armory as those productions (Tom Felcan), you can assume that they're the same guns here.

::This page has some other errors, too. For example, the so-called "MP5K-PDWs" are clearly just the same regular MP5Ks seen elsewhere on the show. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 11:36, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== FIM-92 Stinger ==

The missile launcher identified as an S-300 by Wilson, and the subject of the island's climax, appears to be a Stinger launcher from an AN/TWQ-1 Avenger mounted on a chassis originally used for the MIM-72 Chaparral system (an M113). I've been watching the series on Netflix and don't have any means for a quality screen capture.

Talk:Left Behind: The Movie

2013-08-24T00:43:49Z

MrMiracle:

The jet fighter is hardly a real MiG-29, and GSh-30 doesn't really appear in the movie. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:09, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
:I admit I am not good at IDing planes but I just went off what the wikipedia page said. As for the GSh-30 there are plenty of pages which ID a vehicle and its weapons even if they are not used at all.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 15:19, 13 July 2013 (EDT)
:Well, it's clearly a simple CGI construct. But I can spot enough of the distinct physical features to identify it: high mounted canopy, angled body blending into wings, separated engine exhausts, no wingtip stores and no tailcone. If I saw a blurry aircraft on a flight at that distance with that silhouette, I'd call it a MiG-29. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 20:43, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:True Lies

2013-05-12T02:12:07Z

MrMiracle:

That's not an MP5A3, it's an MP5A5. I'm fairly sure the Harrier and most certainly the cannons and missiles fired would be considered weapons.

:We usually just deal with small arms on this site, not heavier ordnance such as missiles or bombs or even automatic cannon. The heaviest weaponry that gets mention are crew-served machine guns or shoulder-fired anti-tank/anti-aircraft weapons. Basically, anything that's man-portable.

==DVD==
Am I the only one who wishes they could release a special edition DVD for this movie? I've loved this movie since I was a little kid and the DVD they release is mail slot widescreen and very poor quality. Plus, some James Cameron commentary and some added deleted scenes (like the scene with the grenade, which explained why Arny somehow got one). This movie deserves better. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Moved from main article==
:How can you tell these are SP89s? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Well for one, that's what armorers had handy before about 1997, when they started using actual MP5Ks. Two, you can see it has an old stlye trigger group, which is typical of an SP89. And three, the guns lack paddle magazine releases and push pin lower recievers. So that's how I can tell they are SP89s. Granted I'm determining this based on the first shot, but the other two are most definately SP89s as well. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::I seriously can't tell if these MP5Ks are partially converted SP89s or not; the image quality isn't quite that clear. Also, ''all'' MP5s in movies are transferable conversions of HK94s and SP89s, just like the ones available on the civilian Class III firearms market. I am not aware of any rule that before 1997, only partially-converted SP89s were used. ''Lethal Weapon 2'' and ''Die Hard 2'', made in 1989 and 1990 (respectively), both feature MP5Ks that are full conversions (removable SEF lowers, flipper magazine releases, etc.) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Stinger goof? ==

Stingers are cold launched, meaning the missiles are ejected from the tube first, and are well clear of the tube before the rocket motor engages, like the Peacekeeper, and every model of SLBM the US has ever fielded. Thus, rather than killing everyone, would the Stinger hurt ANYONE? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 07:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

According to the weapons' safety manual, under combat firing nobody should be within 50 feet of the backblast to avoid injury or death.
:A quick image search of Stinger launches will reveal several images that show the effects of the launch motor effects. They can kick up considerable dust and debris. The one goof in the truck scene would be the color of the blast. Most man-portable launchers use a colorless ejector motor to keep targets from spotting the launch location. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 22:12, 11 May 2013 (EDT)

== Simon's Toy? ==

Anyone know what Simon's Toy gun was based on?

I think there may have been two, one in the briefcase
and another in his trailer when calling helen.
:Haven't seen it in a while but if I remember, I think the one is the suitcase that Helen opened was possibly a 1911 styled aisoft and I think it was two-tone. The one Simon was shooting in his trailer was I believed based off a Beretta. I think it was also two-toned. --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 16:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
::Looks more like a S&W to me. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 16:57, 13 April 2011 (CDT)

== Falling MAC-10 ==

Most times when a gun is dropped, it's a rubber prop.

I wondered if the MAC-10 falling down the stairs is fake and flashes and shells added in post production.

:Nope, it wasn't a fake gun; it's a real MAC-10 that was actually dropped and rigged electronically to fire while falling. This is, as you say, not standard practice, but for this particular movie, it was necessary. Long Mountain Outfitters has a picture of the MAC-10 that was used in that scene, here: [http://www.longmountain.com/just%20for%20fun/movieguns/truelies]

:If you look at the picture on LMO's site, you can even see that the MAC's front sight is slightly bent, a sign of being dropped. Of course, the front sight is replaceable, but it seems that Stembridge decided to leave the gun as-is. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Arnie's Glock==
Is it just me, but the Glock 17 used by Harry Tasker looks more like a glock 19

- Uh.. I think it is.. Seems there's some kind of mis-match between info and title -

==='''Glock 17'''===
''In the beginning of the film, Harry Tasker (Arnold Schwarzenegger) uses a 2nd Generation Glock 17 pistol to shoot the guards pursuing him from the mansion. In the script, the gun was classified as a Glock 21 .45 ACP, but it was changed to a '''Glock 19''' for the film, likely due to the larger magazine capacity.''

You call this a glitch? :b Heh, I'm sure it's just an overlook. I'll go ahead and fix it up - I agree that the gun is a 19 also. Big as Arnie is, the gun still seems kinda small to be a full-size 17. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== Missing gun ==

Simon has a two-tone S&W auto in the briefcase that he leaves with Helen. It has a removable straight back-strap, no ambi safety, squared trigger guard. I think it's a 659, while most have a right side decoker, I've seen some without. I can't add the caps, watched it on Netflix. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:- He's right though. Granted it's actually shown as a toy in the film, but it looks dead like a real pistol. I don't have a cap either but I'd have to agree with Pred about it being a S&W 659. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown flamethrower ==

At one point of the movie, Tasker uses an unknown flamethrower to kill the terrorists. Can anyone help me identify it please?--[[User:Gunnerboy|Gunnerboy]] ([[User talk:Gunnerboy|talk]]) 00:51, 19 December 2012 (EST)

It was a Fuel Pump that ignited when Tasker fired his MAC-10 into the stream of Petrol.--[[User:Thomas|Thomas]] ([[User talk:Thomas|talk]]) 07:46, 19 December 2012 (EST)

==Add'l screenshots==
[[Image:TL-unknown-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Faisil uses the H&K.]]

Talk:Thompson Submachine Gun

2013-05-06T01:48:58Z

MrMiracle:

==Additional Variants==
[[File:M1928A1 Thompson.jpeg|thumb|none|450px|M1928A1 Thompson]]
[[Image:soldierwolf,20070107412.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1A1 Thompson with 20-round magazine and Cutts compensator .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MiModtommy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine and a side-folding stock (Similar to the [[M1 Carbine]]) - .45 ACP]]

==A Scope on a Thompson submachine gun?==
[[Image:Wallace beery the big house 2 edit b.jpg|thumb|right]]This is from the MGM film 'The Big House'. Has anyone ever seen a Thompson with this kind of scope in real life? Does anyone know anything about them? I've only seen it in the one film[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 11:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

A scope on a Tommy gun sub machine gun seem impractical back then.
:I imagine a scope could be attached, but like the above poster said, totally impractical. --[[Special:Contributions/24.63.181.248|24.63.181.248]] 00:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

How come the military do not use the drum magazine that much? Isn't a large 50 round clip good?
: First off its MAGAZINE not clip. Secondly there is a very good reason why Thompson owners prefer the 20 and 30 round stick MAGAZINES to the 50 or 100 round drum MAGAZINES. The Thompson Submachinegun is frigging heavy at nearly ten pounds of wood and steel. This means that while it is a good submachinegun people don'tr like to have to carry all those drums around. Plus the drums are less than reliable compaired to the stick magazines.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Those fifty and one hundred round drum magazines are also a real bear to load up and they're noisy if you need to be moving silently. The British found that out in the earl days of World War Two. All those cartridges have a tendency to move around and slap against the container. Oh and did I mention that with those drug mags reloading is a real chore. You really need a third hand to change them out. The stick mags are faster. Much faster. Watch ''[[Public Enemies]]''.Almost none of those guys use the drum mags. Only the stick mags. Which I understand was historically correct. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

::You do need a third hand to swap out a drum on a modern semi-auto Thompson unless you have a tool to trip the bolt-open catch normally tripped by the box magazine follower when empty. The full auto 1921, 1928 and semi auto 1927 fire from the open bolt, and once you recock the bolt after the drum runs dry, it takes *only* two hands to change out drum on the original Thompson (still is not easy). --[[User:Carl N. Brown|Carl N. Brown]] 08:03, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

The drum mags weren't very reliable. Turns out drum mags don't work too well. The design is just too complex to be practical and that's the reason you don't see much drum mags on SMGs and rifles. Plus after you loaded the Thompson's drum, you had to wind the bastard and it would come unspung and it wouldn't feed properly. Hughjefender

it look like the just use the drum in the start of attacks. once that dry, the use stick mags.
:That's like how the Soviets used to handle mags with the PPSh, one drum mag, and then all box mags. And while we're here, is the guy in the photo Curly from the Three Stooges? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Some people have no sense of history. That's Wallace Beery!
I met a guy once that said that his Grandfather used to use a Thompson with a scope. He was a guard at a factory, and they used to place him on the roof during strikes. He said that his Grandfather claimed that the Thompson was very accurate on single fire. David.
:The crew cut threw me off. All the pictures I've ever seen of Wallace Beery had him with a full head of hair. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 13:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

That 'scoped gun could be one of the original Model 1927 semi-auto only Thompsons. They were just a Model 1921 with a plug instead of a selector switch but some police forces did not want to issue full-auto. 50 shot semi-auto with a scope from a prison guard tower makes sense as a riot control weapon; still could be just the result of a prop gun with too much time on his hands. --[[User:Carl N. Brown|Carl N. Brown]] 08:03, 4 September 2012 (CDT)

== well.. ==

I'm not saying it would ever be practical for a scope to be mounted on a Thompson, but it might be a slightly better idea to slap one on the Thompson M1A1. considering it has a lower firing rate than the "original" 1917 Thompson, and (in theory) a bit easier to control.

When SWAT was introduced did they ever used this gun or did they prefer the M3 "Grease" Gun?

:The first SWAT units were formed in 1968, and IIRC their "special weapons" at the time were semi-automatic .223 rifles rather than subguns. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:37, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

==Difference between M1928 and M1921==
Does anyone know how to find the difference between both models? I couldn't find much differences in the two models. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 09:40, 12 September 2011 (CDT)
:M1921 lacks the compensator of the M1928, but the M1921AC is externally identical, with some of the firing mechanism having heavier parts to slow down the rate of fire. Without knowing the rate of fire or seeing the receiver stamps (simply an over-stamp of the 1 to an 8) it is impossible to tell an M1928 from and M1921. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:06, 12 September 2011 (CDT)
::Doesn't the M1921 have a better finish than the M1928? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:05, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

==In Western Animation==
The Thompson is a popular subject in western animation. Its association with WWII and frequent appearance in gangster movies makes it a very familiar firearm to most viewers. Its simple shape can be achieved with a minimum amount of geometric detail and color. The site doesn't allow pages for western animation unless they meet the detail requirements, but I doubt anyone hasn't seen a cartoon at some point in their life that didn't include the Thompson.--[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 21:48, 5 May 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Matrix

2013-04-30T12:30:29Z

MrMiracle:

== Mouse's rotary shotguns ==

John Bowring, Armourer for The Matrix, sent the below email to madogre regarding the guns.

''"I made & supplied the guns for the Matrix

1) Mouses guns are custom made electrically driven 12g that run at 900RPM<br />
2) I chose Beretta 84's for Trinity as you said good little sister to Nios
92's.<br />
3) Larry & Andy the directors of the matrix asked me who uses a 50AE desert
eagle I Said " A Wanka" there reply no who are they maid for I said "
Wankers" there reply are wankers in this film want Desert eagles My reply
your film.<br />
4) Wardrobe mistress wonted to change Switches pistol as she had and "I
quote her designed the pistols for Romeo & Juliet" my reply stick to
designing wardrobes. (Beside the funding for Romeo & Juliet was got by
doing a small section of it to show what it would be like for which "I"
suppled Stainless steel Beretta and that is what set the tone for the guns
in Romeo & Juliet)
You never know whose out there

John Bowring"''

-[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 14:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC

Any chance someone could contact John Bowring and get some better pics of Mouse's custom shotguns - i'd love to see em properly. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 13:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Am I the only one that has trouble taking an armorer seriously when his English is this terrible? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]]

:You're not.

== .50 Caliber ==

another point on the .50 Desert Eagles, the .44 mag and .357 mag desert eagles have fluted barrels (where the handle meets them and the barrels go from a box cross-section to a more octagonal cross-section) and the ones in the screenshots have none. As a source for this I would cite the official product page[http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=Black-6] in the product info for the mark XIX desert eagle, and possibly compare them to the .357 mag on the 10-inch below it [http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=Black-10]

:I thought only the .44 Magnum version of the Mark XIX had the fluted barrel? (Maybe you just thought you did) Or at least, the Mark I and Mark VII in .357 Magnum didn't have the fluted barrel, I dunno about the Mark XIX as I've never seen/handled one in .357. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

==caliber==

--I'm not too sure that these are .50AE. If anything, the agents have fired much more than the 7 rounds in a .50 Desert Eagle, and there is barely any recoil as a .50 would. I would say that it would be a Deagle chambered in .357 Magnum instead. If I am mistaken, I stand corrected. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 21:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

:They are most definitely the .50 AE version. That is without doubt a .50-cal bore in the third screenshot; the .357 bore is much smaller. The armorer who worked on the movie, John Bowring, has also said they are the .50 AE version in interviews. The reason there's so little recoil is because the actors are firing blanks (as you can also see in the last image), and blanks have much less recoil than live rounds. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Also, the fact that the agents fired many more then seven shots is irrelevant. This is the matrix, after all, where a submachine gun with a thirty round mag can fire at least a hundred shots without running dry. (Can it? Maybe you just think it can.)[[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:The UMP you are referring to is just one example of a "hack" weapon that doesn't apply to the rules of Matrix, but most guns do, which is weird cause why are Neo's, Trinity's, etc. Why are their guns not unlimited or nearly bottomless. Morpheus was seen reloading his Glock twice. (I believe this is because they are not linked into the Matrix, so their ammo is limited. This may be why a lot of the combat is done using katanas, fists, legs etc, etc. Whereas the Agents are hooked into the Matrix, so they can access an unlimited supply of ammo.)[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::Exactly, the whole, "anything's possible because it's the Matrix" is a copout answer when you consider the inconsistencies related to guns. And anyway, I really don't care about that stuff anyway. This is IMFDB. We're concerned with the the behind-the-scenes reality, not the the movie universe. Save that shit for some Matrix fanboy site. (Do you really think that? Maybe you just think you do.)-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::Even though Agents ''do'' run out of ammo and are seen reloading... "You're empty." "So are you." anyone? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]]

== M1911A1 ==
The page is missing one more gun. During the rooftop scene when Neo and Trinity are fighting several soldiers, I noticed the guy who tries to shoot Trinity is holding what appears to be a M1911A1.

== Military controlled Building's Security ==
Are the lobby guards and the backup soldiers are really classified as bad guys? And when the lobby guard said to send backup, was he really calling the agents?

In the film, Morpheus mentions that anyone can become an agent, which is why you see Trinity take out the seemingly innocent cops at the beginning. The security guard was just calling up the SWAT and not the agents. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:To add onto what Ben said, nod, the security guards aren't bad guys. However, it's possible for them to become agents at any time, and besides, they would stand in the way of rescuing Morpheus if there weren't taken care of. Therefore, it was neccesary, and more interesting, for Neo and Trinity to fight them. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 22:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

:The stupid part is that since this is the Matrix, they never explain what they can and cannot bring with them or just simply call up. If they could bring up as many guns they could carry, why not summon a car or a helicopter. They needlessly did a drawn out shootout and ended up getting a helicopter at the roof [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Because it looks cool.
[[User:Greywolverene|Greywolverene]]
[[Image:The_Matrix_Morpheus_Unhurt.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|The Agents are dead and the room destroyed but Morpheus is miraculously unhurt. Moments, later when he attempts to jump into the helicopter, Smith fires his Desert Eagle blindly through a wall wounding Morpheus in the leg.]]

:For everybody's information, the "backup" the security guards called up when Neo and Trinity made their entrance into the Government Building's lobby were in fact soldiers, not SWAT officers. If you look carefully, you will see that there is a significant differences between the two groups e.g. SWAT officers having the word "POLICE" on their body armour while the soldiers had no markings on the front of their body armour (excpet for their nametapes), the soldiers having knife/bayonet scabbards on their webbing while the SWAT officers did not, the SWAT officers at the hotel wore armoured gaiters around their shins while the soldiers did not etc etc. If one can look over the hotel scenes and the lobby shootout scenes, you'll know what I'm talking about. - [[Roughneck Jase]] 20:10PM AEST 19 October 2010
::Yes that is correct. In the original script (although it is not the final draft) Neo and Trinity had a less dramatic lobby fight with marines, although it is difficult to tell whether these were the same characters who were in the lobby shootout from the final film, and on the rooftop too. So I have always thought they were marines, well actually just computer programs resembling the marines, I tend to believe that neither them nor the guards were actual human beings who had families at home, but were simply just computer programs designed to defend the Matrix, only as "human" as programs such as the agents, how would the marines have entered the building in less than a minute after the guard called backup if they were human beings? It is worth noting, though, that in the Matrix Path of Neo game Neo and Trinity fight only SWAT members in the lobby and the rooftop, which is a difference from the movies. [[Special:Contributions/69.43.65.35|69.43.65.35]] 04:12, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:::If you watch the film carefully the lobby guards and the soldiers in the government building WERE human beings with the military helicopter pilot and the soldiers guarding the floor Morpheus was being help prisoner being "taken over" by the Agents - [[Roughneck Jase]] 22:26PM AEST 22 November 2010
::::But agents could take over other programs as well, such as when Smith took over Agent Thompson in the Reloaded burly brawl scene. How did the soldiers just arrive in the lobby less than a minute after backup was called? They wouldn't have gotten there that quickly. [[Special:Contributions/69.43.65.35|69.43.65.35]] 18:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Agent Smith in ''The Matrix Reloaded'' was no longer an "agent" and was "unplugged" as a result of his battle with Neo in the first film. By the second film, Smith had become a computer virus and was able to take over both humans and programs. - [[Roughneck Jase]] 11:37AM AEST 23 November 2010.
::::::Thanks, and I have indeed read now that "agents" could only possess bluepills. [[Special:Contributions/69.43.65.35|69.43.65.35]] 02:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
:Don't the agents also have those "bug" darts like in the scene where Neo is interrogated by the agents? For the above question by an anonymous user, I don't know how they responded so quickly. I assume that the government building is also the headquarters of the soldiers, or possibly private security, in the lobby fight scene, which could explain why they appeared in a minute. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:03, 12 August 2011 (CDT)

==Mouse's Shotguns==
Would one of the admins mind linking this article to [[(The Matrix) - Mouse's Shotguns]]? I'm trying to cut down on the number of orphaned and dead-end pages.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 14:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

==Picture Caption==
Whoever wrote the caption on the last Desert Eagle picture is probably not aware of the magic of film editing. Assuming he is talking about the shot in that picture, the probably simply took a shot of the Desert Eagle firing and then edited it in to make it look like he was getting shot. As I recall, the movie never actually showed Keanu next to the Desert Eagle in that scene. -- K[[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 16:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, whoever wrote that comment obviously had no idea what they were talking about, so I edited it out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
==SPAS 12==
Someone must have locked the page because I can't edit the thing. I have a better picture for the SPAS 12, the ones used in the movie have fixed stocks and pistol grips, I have a picture uploaded that shows the SPAS 12 with this furniture, I think it'd be better than the picture with a folding stock. Here's the picture:
[[Image:spas12_fixed.jpg|thumb|500px|none|This photo show the Franchi SPAS 12 with a fixed stock and pistol grip - 12 Gauge, the ones used in the movie.]]
If there's any way to do so someone insert it instead of the folding stock one. Just use "spas12_fixed.jpg" Thanks. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 15:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:: I think the page is locked to admins only. In any case, I disagree with your idea for a picture change, that is no more accurate than the other picture - While the guns do have fixed stocks (Like your image) the SPAS's in the Matrix also have extended magazine tubes and barrels like MPM's image, and unlike the SPAS in that picture. Plus, and not to put you down, but that looks to be a jacked image, and a poor size/quality one at that. The SPAS image being used is one of MPM's high-quality ones which are taken just to be used on the site. In the end, I don't see any reason to change it myself. But I guess it's not up to me. As an alternative, you could ask MPM if he could get a SPAS with a fixed stock to image for the page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey you know what dudes, maybe someone should add this never before seen SPAS 12 shotgun picture into the talk section of the [[Franchi SPAS-12]] page.

==Skorpions==
I think they might be a different model other than the Vz. 61's. The magazines are longer and less curved.[[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 07:49, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Leetspeak wrong ==

The article says:
Bowring named the guns "Andy" (serial no. A1169 - Leet Leetspeak for Andy) and "Larry" (serial no. L2779 - Leet Leetspeak for Larry)

This is clearly wrong. The "11" in A1169 cannot be an "n" or a "d". The "77" in L2779 cannot be an "r". A "7" usually means a "t", but the wikipedia page also explains how it could be used as "7_" to mean "z" or "|7" to mean "p". Anyone should be able to tell how these symbols look sorta like the letters they represent. However, the "7" does not look at all like an "r".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

Read an email from Bowring sometime. The guy can barely write in English, never mind Leet. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 17:34, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

"7" can resemble an "r" if you reverse it, just like 9 can resemble a lower-case e for the same reason.
--[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 08:30, 30 April 2013 (EDT)

== Editing ==

Can someone please lift the protection on this page so I correct some of the images and a few descriptions, especially the Skorpions. Don't worry I won't screw any thing up. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:29, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

You can put the pictures and corrections here and they will be placed in the page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:45, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Here: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:24, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

(Bold shows new)

*'''Beretta 92FS'''

Neo (Keanu Reeves) takes at least four pairs of Beretta 92FS pistols with him on his mission to save Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne). '''The reason he carries eight pistols instead of just one or two with spare magazines is that it's faster to drop the empty ones and pull out "fresh" ones, than it is trying to reload them and possibly fumbling.'''

:I didn't see that as bad logic, I tried it myself and it IS faster to drop & grab than it is to reload (especially when your holding two pistols at the same time), you also don't have to worry about fumbling and botching while reloading. Plus it's the Matrix, they don't have to worry about money or having to retrieve the weapons.

*'''Micro Uzi'''

During the lobby scene, Neo and Trinity both use Micro Uzis '''with bent trigger guards''', Trinity using one to kill one of the first guards and Neo using two to keep the soldiers behind cover.

:The Micro Uzis in the movie have bent trigger guards.

*'''Skorpion SA Vz 61'''

Neo fires a pair of '''Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion sub-machine guns''' fitted with muzzle shrouds and 30-round magazines during the lobby shootout. (''p.s., Don't forget the link to the Skorpion page.'')

[[Image:Yugoslav Model 61 Skorpion.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Yugoslavian made Model 61(i) Skorpion distinguishable by it's black pistol grip - .32 ACP]]

Hope this is all clear enough for you. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:24, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Thanks. :) Should I delete all this stuff now? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:44, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

*'''M1911A1'''

During the rooftop fight, the soldier who Trinity dispatches was holding what appeared to be an M1911A1.

*'''HK MP5K'''

On the picture of Neo holding an MP5K in the armory,''' his poor trigger discipline should be noted''', especially given his extensive training as a fighter. And once again on the image of Neo doing the "HK-slap", Neo's finger remains on the trigger even as he dangerously jolts the firearm with his fist.

::We have rules now against critiquing actors' gun handling, so no, this should not be noted. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

== Mouse's Shotgun ==

I just watched the movie again and i have discovered that the shotgun are modified high standard model 10's.

:Considering the movie's armorer has stated in an interview (cited by the page) that the auto-shotguns used by Mouse were built from the ground-up specifically for the movie, how do you figure? I guess the layout is similar (pistol grip in front, barrel, ejecting shells from the back of the receiver - maybe), but John Bowring mentioned nothing about them being Model 10s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:58, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

==Matrix vs. Terminator==
Is it me or I find this similar to Terminator 2 and the other Terminator films? Both are set in a futuristic setting (except the Terminator films before Terminator: Salvation, which were heavily set in modern times) where machines are the dominant ones and the humans are the "prey," both featuring a protagonist "selected" by members of a small resistance group and are of a major importance in turning the tide of the war, the majority of the action scenes being set in the "modern" world, and have police officers, security guards, and SWAT teams being minor antagonists and unaware of the true nature and significance of the protagonists' mission. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:27, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
:Um, T1 and T2 are both set in the present day, not in the future. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:33, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
I edited it. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:24, 22 September 2011 (CDT)

== chronology ==

Take a chronology of weapons by its category. (Handguns, Rifle. Shotgun). etc.
--[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 15:19, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

Talk:G.I. Joe: Retaliation

2013-04-21T22:55:50Z

MrMiracle:

==SCAR-L or SCAR-H==
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|450px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:FN SCAR-H STD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation FN SCAR-H STD - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:GIJoeR 1005.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
I think Adrianne's is a SCAR-H, judging by the mag. The one used by Bruce looks longer and more curved so I guess it's a 5.56.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:16, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:I guess this will be the first film to feature a SCAR-H. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 05:42, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== Unknown sniper rifle ==

This is the only shot you get of the rifle, but my guess is that it is one of those single shot (or side loading magazine) .50 BMG uppers that can be fitted to an AR-15 lower. The companies that make these also tend to make lowers that don't have magazine wells so am guessing that is what this is, but I can't find a match, does anyone recognise it? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:03, 13 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:G.I. Joe Retaliation 000033533.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]framed

== The Rock in training ==

These are from The Rock's twitter page showing him training on various weapons for G.I. Joe Retaliation. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:05, 15 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 1.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 2.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 3.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 4.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 5.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]

== Unknown Glock ==

A woman in the trailer (not a G.I.) uses a Glock. I think it is a 3rd generation Glock 17, but I am not 100 % positive.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 12:48, 29 January 2012 (CST)

==SAW in the film - Is is a Daewoo?==
Though the Rock is seen training with an M249, is that a Daewoo standing in for a real 249 in the screencaps? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:23, 11 February 2012 (CST)
:I think it is an M249, definitely has the M249 front sight. I'm fairly sure that they are the same weapon in the film and in the training, they both appear to be the current M249 as advertised by FN USA with the new style gas block (below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:39, 12 February 2012 (CST)
:[[File:New Model M249.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

::The Daewoo K3s are only used as M249 stand-ins by the armorers in British Columbia, and this movie was filmed mostly in Louisiana. Also, that gun seems to have a Minimi/M249-style gas tube and front sight, rather than K3 style. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 09:12, 12 February 2012 (CST)

==Handheld .50 cal==
I'm no expert, so I'm wondering if someone could tell me - is this the first film where someone has fired a Browning M2 handheld?--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 08:25, 24 February 2012 (CST)
: It's the second. It was mentioned on the forum a while back that some other movie had a guy firing an M2 like that, but it was only available on VHS. Can't remember the name.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:19, 24 February 2012 (CST)
::OK, thanks. I know Sly was ''supposed'' to fire the M2 in Rambo (the fourth one) handheld, but obviously he didn't in the final film. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] 09:33, 24 February 2012 (CST)
:::Ok, found the thread. The movie was called ''Nemesis'' http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1811 Link to the trailer on the page.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:18, 24 February 2012 (CST)

This is a homage to the comic book character that Dwayne Johnson plays in the film, as Roadblock in the comic books carried the M2 handheld as his weapon of choice. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Glock 21? ==

[[File:Rock GI Joe Training 3.JPG|thumb|600px|none|]]

The barrel diameter of Dwayne Johnson's Glock pistol looks pretty wide in this shot. This could mean it is a G21 but I can't be sure.

That may indeed be a 21,but a photo can be misleading depending on lenses used,camera angles,etc. I am not sure the wholesale change of the the previously identified Glock 17s and 19s to the 21 is warranted yet(I sure can't tell for sure),however the Glocks on the table,one with a Surefire X300 sure look like 19s to me,based on the X300's length and the finger grooves(the middle one is wider on the 19).
Regards,

Tecolote

== Production images ==

Is it ok to post those images? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:24, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

== Date stuff ==

What's with all the graffiti on the page about the date?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 11:43, 26 May 2012 (CDT)

== Helmet ==
The second guy to the left...

[[File:G.I. Jo Retaliation 000042500.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

...is that an Ops Core FAST helmet? The rest of the fake US Army troops' helmets look to be standard ACHs, while the side on this one specific helmet looks like it rides too high to be one. Would seem an odd choice for posing as a regular Army Soldier, and last I checked, troops weren't allowed to buy their own personal choice of helmet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:28, 12 December 2012 (EST)

:It has been so long since I took those caps or wrote the description (damn 3D conversion) that I am not 100% sure who is meant to be what, but am fairly sure that the people in that pic are Joes, so they can be wearing whatever they want. The explosion is them being attacked by US Army Apaches when the Joes are attacked and wiped out. I don't remember saying that there were any Cobra Vipers posing as US troops (I think someone else wrote that, but I can't remember), they were dressed in regular Viper gear with the Crye Airframe helmets fitted with Chops. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:46, 12 December 2012 (EST)

:New guy here. Closer inspection shows that all four helmets pictured are identical. Likely either Ops Core or Mich 2001 with ARC rails added, as if they were bought on a budget it's possible they purchased Chinese made replicas- where TC2001s with ARC rails are commonly available. Best indicated by black chinstraps, not clear or well lit enough to tell at the present. --[[User:MagicCityMan|MagicCityMan]] ([[User talk:MagicCityMan|talk]]) 01:19, 28 March 2013 (EDT)

:I've taken a second look and they're most likely OpsCore, the ARC rails for MICH/TC series extend further towards the rear. As well the actual shape of the helmet are different --[[User:MagicCityMan|MagicCityMan]] ([[User talk:MagicCityMan|talk]]) 01:26, 28 March 2013 (EDT)

== Additional Guns in the Movie ==
P90, M60E4, M240, thompson (in museum), M1 carbine (in museum), ACR, G36, LaRue OBR
:There were a large number of guns in Bruce Willis's house
:Also the Rock's fired Full Auto/Burst in one scene --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

== Side Charging handle M4? ==
Just saw the movie today not a 100% sure. And possible spoilers here but the scene when Roadblock grabs the M4 of a fallen Joe and pushes it into the ground possibly to make a grave. It looks like the M4 has a side charging handle which to me I think is the first time I've seen an AR in film with a side charging handle. I guess I'll know for sure once the movie is on home media. Did anyone else notice it or am I just going crazy? --[[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 23:56, 20 April 2013 (PST)
:I saw it today. It's possible that they used a rubber prop for that scene, rather than have to clean a real weapon after jamming it into the dirt. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 18:55, 21 April 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Rambo: The Video Game

2013-04-11T23:46:01Z

MrMiracle:

I am soooo gonna get this! (Even tho it will probably suck like most movie-based games)- [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 13:10, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

:Well, at least they've got the original voice tracks rather than going the ''007 Legends'' route of having Carey Lowell voicing Pam Bouvier even though she was old enough to be the character's mother. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:38, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::I'm really excited as well. I just can't believe that they've released two Rocky games, but no one thought to do a Rambo FPS until now. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:59, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
:::I guess it might be the issue that Colonial Marines had that games have been stealing ideas from these movies for decades so everything would seem a bit old hat. Though I'm sure people ''wish'' that was the only problem with Colonial Marines. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:13, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::::But they've been making Aliens games pretty consistently for the last two decades. The last Rambo game I can remember was an NES game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:45, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
:::::Although, I concede that the franchise may have been in flux due to rights issues, since Carolco went under in the mid-late nineties. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:47, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

== Attention to detail ==

I'm impressed by their attention to detail. Notice that Rambo is firing the M60 right handed, [[:File:Rambo1M60-2.jpg|just like he did in ''First Blood'']], but he shoots the bow and arrow left handed, [[:File:RamboIITorquebow-8.jpg|like he did in ''Rambo II'']]. (I just noticed that Stallone always fires his guns right-handed, despite being left-handed. Odd.) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 21:29, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

:I always assumed this was because the M60 and many other firearms eject to the right. Fired from the left the hot brass might burn his arms or chest, and he wasn't exactly wearing much in those scenes. I can't be the only one who has had a cartridge fall down their shirt at the range. It challenges your self-control.--[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 19:46, 11 April 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Insider

2013-03-27T22:33:14Z

MrMiracle: /* Home Defense Procedure */ new section

== Norinco Type 56-1? ==
The front sight doesn't look like it goes together at the top, it appears to be U-shaped like on a AKS and not hooded like on the Type 56.
--[[User:Thejoker|Thejoker]] ([[User talk:Thejoker|talk]]) 18:10, 28 January 2013 (EST)

== Home Defense Procedure ==

During the home defense scene, Wigand sits his daughter down at a table in the basement and has her draw a picture while he investigates the outside of the house. This, I assume, is to ensure he knows her location and that she doesn't surprise him while he walks around with a loaded gun. I was wondering if anyone has heard of this being taught as a part of home defense? --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 18:33, 27 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Avengers (2012)

2013-03-17T20:50:13Z

MrMiracle: /* Gun Handling Audio */ new section

== Nick Fury's pistol ==

Didn't see it in the trailer, but you saw Nick Fury with a pistol in a promo image released a while ago. Can't make it out very well, but my guess would be a [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Nick-fury-avengers.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

== Airtronic RPG-7 ==

That is one...ugly ugly...What are all those rails for? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:55, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

:I guess the makers of the weapon wanted it to be all... 'tacti-cool'? But I agree, the rails on that weapon are too much. What the hell is the shooter going to put on them? ACOG sights? M68 Aimpoints? Night vision scopes? Heartbeat sensors? Sorry, those would not look right on an RPG. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:40, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

:You could put a PEQ2 on it. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:42, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

==Add'l Screenshots==

[[File:Avengers-promos-pictures-03.jpg|thumb|501px|none|A production photo of Black Widow firing the Glock 26s.]]

[[Image:AvengersG26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A pic from the trailer shows Black Widow with her holstered Glock 26s.]]

== Hawkeye's Bow ==

It plays an important role in the film (like with Rambo & his bow). If we can identify it can we include it? --[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 01:26, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Avengers-promos-pictures-03.jpg|thumb|601px|none|]]
:I think it can be listed as it has a pretty prominent role but that is just my oppinion. I believe the bow is a modified Hoyt Buffalo, with a sight and cosmetic fake hinges added where the limbs attach (at least I assume they are fake for the working model). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:25, 16 October 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:Hoyt Buffalo.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Hoyt Buffalo]]
:: At least one model of bow is a compact one that can fold up tightly. When Hawkeye needs to use it, he thrusts forward and the arms snap into place. I think that was a special prop due to the difficulties in getting a stringed bow to fold up and snap out like that, and they switch to a slightly modified composite bow after.

==Weapon==
I think soem of the SHEILD Agents had SIG 552s, and there may have been an AUG A3. Can anyone confirm that?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:01, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
I know I saw an AUGA3. I'm not sure about the SIG though I was too busy enjoying the film.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:19, 6 May 2012 (CDT)
: Definatly an AUG A#, some ofthe Diplomats, some SIG 552s, and the first guy into the bridge seemed to have a Micro Galil.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:03, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Hawkeye's Pistol ==

Just to be pedantic, how can we be sure Hawkeye's sidearm is a P30 and not an HK45? Because when I saw the film today I didn't see anything to swing it either way. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:52, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:The HK45 has a squared trigger guard, I'm not 100% sure but Hawkeye's looked to have the curved trigger guard of the P30. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:10, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:: Well I just got caught up on the fact the holster he's wearing looks like [http://www.imidefense.com/Products/Polymer-Holsters/Heckler-and-Koch/IMI-Z1220.html the one IMI makes for the HK45] (Although it's mounted on a Safariland leg rig for some reason), since it has the same style of trigger-guard retention and the cut over the ejection port that the [http://www.imidefense.com/Products/Polymer-Holsters/Heckler-and-Koch/IMI-Z1380.html P30 holster] lacks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:41, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::You could be right, I was too engrossed in the film to be looking carefully at the guns being used to be honest. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:44, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
::::All HK45s have a frame safety don't though? This pistol doesn't which is why I ID'd it as a P30? Could be wrong though, was just going off that one promo image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:45, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::::Yes, it does. Said safety can also be moved to the other side of the weapon for left-handed shooting, as appears to be the case here. Quoting from [http://www.hk-usa.com/military_products/hk45_general.asp HK USA]: "An improved USP-style control lever, a combination safety and decocking lever, is frame mounted on the HK45 and is quickly accessible. The HK45 control lever has a positive stop and returns to the “fire” position after decocking.

:::::By using the modular approach to the internal components first pioneered by HK on the USP, the control lever function of the HK45 can be switched from the left to the right side of the pistol to accommodate left-handed shooters (additional parts required). Left and right mounted control levers provide safety and/or decocking functions as required and can be fitted to the pistol simply by changing parts. For true ambidextrous use, a control lever can also be mounted on both sides of the pistol if required." [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:18, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

::::::I still think it is a P30. Below is a larger cropped and brightened image:
::::::[[File:Hawkeye pistol.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
::::::First off, I think the holster is just a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster made for the P30 (although I think it does also fit the HK45C, which is the version of the HK45 it would be if it was one). If you look at the above pistol there is a join on the grip that sweeps upwards to the back of the grip which is present on the P30, but on the HK45 there are no markings on the side of grip aside from the textured panels. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:39, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
:::::::OK, I stand corrected. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 17:48, 7 May 2012 (CDT)
::::::::That is a Blackhawk CQC serpa holster and a P30. Look at the grip, see how the side panels have a seam. The P30 has removable side panels and the HK45 doesn't. If
::::::::that was a HK45 the sides of the grip would be a smooth continuous surface. That's the holster I have for my P30S. [[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

== M&P ==
There's an extreme close up of it in the credits, just making a note of that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:38, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

== Alien Weapons ==

Has anyone been able to get a screen capture of the alien rifles used in the movie?

Even if we did, we don't do alien guns unless it is really necessary or if it was a prop built on a real gun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 12:18, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

:You can see them well enough in [http://www.uruloki.org/felipeblog/images2012-1/20120414_the_avengers_villanos_2-xl.jpg this] promo image (might actually be concept art but that is exactly what the weapons look like in the film) to tell that they are not based on anything, and there is no chance they would be mistaken for a real gun, so don't think they should be included. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:24, 15 May 2012 (CDT)

:Most of them look like sticks with blades on them, but that huge rifle Coulson used looked to at least have parts of real guns. I didn't get a good look, but I think that's the only fiction gun worth worrying about. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:08, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Mercenaries? (spoilers) ==

Right now the page describes the people accompanying Hawkeye when he attacks the heli-carrier as mercenaries, but this isn't the case is it? Unless I missed something they are brainwashed SHIELD agents aren't they? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:38, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

This was my thought also, I think it should be changed. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 08:47, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

Chances are at least some of them are mercenaries '''*SPOILER*''' it is referenced in the movie when Loki is talking to Hawkeye in the cave before they go to germany that Hawkeye was able to get so many people to join Loki because of the amount of enemies SHIELD had. This implies that the people helping Loki outside of Hawkeye and Erik Selvig are not members of SHIELD. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 09:18, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

:I don't remember that line, but I would imagine that other SHIELD personnel must have been turned as I doubt things like the Quinjet are off the shelf and would have to have come from a shield base somewhere presumably with some personnel. Regardless, I don't think they should be referred to as mercenaries as that is purely an assumption. I think it would be simpler (and less spoilery) just to refer to them as "Hawkeye's team". If you have seen the film you will know what that means, and if you haven't it gives nothing away. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:54, 16 May 2012 (CDT)
::This might be a little old but i also remmeber mentioning that there were people who would gladly help since they hated SHIELD--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] ([[User talk:Dillinger|talk]]) 04:07, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

== Grenade ==
I think the grenade is an old style ALS flashbang (NFDD), same as the one used on The Unit.
gunner313

== Unknown pistol ==

In the Black Widow interrogation scene, one of the guys has a pistol in his waistband. It might be a Makarov, but it's hard to be sure. [[A Shootist]]

== Coulson's gun? *SPOILERS*==
Interesting, nobody referenced Coulson's gun that he uses to blast Loki before he dies...

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/49462d1353503130-hot-toys-avengers-agent-phil-coulson-hot-toys-avengers-agent-phil-coulson-limited-edition-collectible-figurine_pr9.jpg

Best pic I could find, too lazy to screengrab from film :P
It looks like just an M4 with a bunch of cosmetic crap on it.

== Gun Handling Audio ==

I was watching The Avengers with commentary the other day, but had the subtitles turned on so I could follow the dialog. In the scene where Black Widow draws on banner, the subtitles and audio indicate "gun cocking". Since the Glock 19 has an internal striker, there really isn't anything for Johannsen to draw back with her thumbs. I see a lot of discussion about the visual and handling aspect of realistic firearm usage, but I've lately become very aware of the large number of antiquated and overused audio samples that are used when characters handle firearms on screen. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] ([[User talk:MrMiracle|talk]]) 16:50, 17 March 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Blood: The Last Vampire

2012-08-23T02:21:43Z

MrMiracle: Created page with "== Aircraft Images == I know this isn't the internet movie aircraft database, but its a subject I know decently well. The aircraft in the first image looks like some variant of ..."

== Aircraft Images ==
I know this isn't the internet movie aircraft database, but its a subject I know decently well. The aircraft in the first image looks like some variant of the Dassault Mirage. If the movie was filmed on location in Japan, the filmmakers would probably have the easiest time borrowing a 2000 variant, which would carry a 30mm DEFA 554. The second image is of an A-4 Skyhawk (again, possibly loaned locally), which carried 20mm Colt Mk 12s. --[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] 21:21, 22 August 2012 (CDT)

Law & Order - Season 5

2012-08-16T01:37:46Z

MrMiracle: /* Smith & Wesson Model 36 */

[[Image:L&O_S05.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Law & Order - Season 5'' (1994 – 1995)]]

'''Cast:'''
:'''Law'''
*Detective Lennie Briscoe - [[Jerry Orbach]]
*Detective Mike Logan - [[Chris Noth]]
*Lieutenant Anita Van Buren - [[S. Epatha Merkerson]]

:'''Order'''
*Executive Assistant District Attorney Jack McCoy - Sam Waterston
*Assistant District Attorney Claire Kincaid - Jill Hennessy
*District Attorney Adam Schiff - Steven Hill

{{TV Title Season|5|Law & Order}}

__TOC__<br clear=all>

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Detective Lennie Brisco ([[Jerry Orbach]]) and Detective Mike Logan ([[Chris Noth]]) are armed with [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] revolvers. Lieutenant Anita Van Buren ([[S. Epatha Merkerson]]) appears to be armed with one as well.
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:LO 121.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Anita Van Buren ([[S. Epatha Merkerson]]) draws her S&W 36 in Season 5's "Competence" (S05E18).]]

==Seecamp LWS==
The suspect in "Coma" (S05E02) owns a .32 [[Seecamp LWS]].
[[File:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Seecamp LWS-32 - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:L&O_Seecamp_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Briscoe finds the Seecamp LWS in "Coma" (S05E02).]]

==Colt Pocket Positive==
The weapon used in a shooting in "Coma" (S05E02) is a [[Colt Pocket Positive]]. It is described as a .32 caliber Colt.
[[File:ColtPocketPositive.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Pocket Positive - .32 Colt New Police]]
[[Image:L&O_CPP_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Briscoe finds the Colt Police Positive in "Coma" (S05E02).]]

==Colt Detective Special==
The murder weapon in "White Rabbit" (S05E05) is a first generation Colt Detective Special.
[[File:Colt_Detective_Special.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Detective Special 1st Gen - .38 Special]]
[[Image:L&O_DS_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Logan picks out the DS in "White Rabbit" (S05E05)]]

==Over and Under Shotgun==
A fake suicide is staged with an [[Over and Under Shotgun]] in "Rage" (S05E13). Brisco described it a "Perazzi" and said it cost "between ten and twenty grand."
[[Image:Browning_0-U.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning 5.25 O/U - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:L&O_OU_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
[[Smith & Wesson Model 10]]s are carried by the NYPD Officers in the initial seasons of the series. The Smith and Wesson Model 10 was an authorized weapon for all NYPD officers who had entered onto the job on or prior to 1986.
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB (heavy barrel) revolver (Post 1950s Model) - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:L&O_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wallace the security guard ([[Ron Ryan]]) with his S&W 10HB in "Seed" (S05E15)]]
[[Image:L&O_SW10_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Logan bags a S&W 10HB in "Act of God" (S05E17).]]

==Walther PPK==
Shane Sutter ([[Peter Facinelli]]) performs a mock execution with a stainless [[Walther PPK]] in "Performance" (S05E14). Susan Parker ([[Donna Mitchell]]) uses one in "Seed" (S05E15).
[[File:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK stainless - 9mm Kurz aka .380 ACP]]
[[Image:L&O_PPK_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The PPK in the fake snuff film in "Performance" (S05E14)]]
[[Image:L&O_PPK_04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:L&O_PPK_05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Susan Parker ([[Donna Mitchell]]) with a PPK in "Seed" (S05E15).]]
[[Image:L&O_PPK_06.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice that the hammer is down, despite the PPK having been fired a moment ago.]]

==Charter Arms Undercover==
A [[Charter Arms Undercover]] appears in Season 5's "Wannabe" (S05E16). The gun is said to be chambered in .32 H&R Magnum, which is incorrect, since the Undercover is only chambered in .38 Special, and would therefore be the Undercoverette model, which would be chambered in .32 H&R Magnum.
[[File:CharterArms32.jpg|thumb|none|301px|Charter Arms Undercover .32]]
[[File:LO 113.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is described as a .32 H&R Magnum [[Charter Arms Undercover]] is found by Det. Briscoe in Season 5's "Wannabe" (S05E16).]]

==Raven Arms MP-25==
A [[Raven Arms MP-25]] is seen in Season 5's "Competence" (S5E18) and is identified as such a weapon in the episode.
[[Image:RavenMP25.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Raven Arms MP25 - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:LO 123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Logan finds the Raven Arms MP25 in Season 5's "Competence" (S5E18).]]

==Smith & Wesson 61 Escort==
A [[Smith & Wesson 61 Escort]] appears in the episode "Purple Heart" (S05E21).
[[Image:S&W61Escort.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 61 Escort - .22 Long Rifle (Blank adapted movie gun)]]

==Beretta Model 70==
What appears to be a [[Beretta Model 70]] is seen in the episode "Pride" (S05E23). While it's said to be a .22, the gun's front sights are not seen clearly enough to distinguish it from the Model 71, which is a .22.
[[Image:Beretta 70.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 70 - .32 ACP]]

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[[Category: Crime]]
[[Category: Detective]]

Talk:Law & Order - Season 2

2012-08-09T21:39:09Z

MrMiracle: Created page with "The episode "Trust" makes mention, but not actual appearance of the Colt Python. The context is that it is a poor choice of weapon for a 12 -year-old at a shooting range.--~~~~"

The episode "Trust" makes mention, but not actual appearance of the Colt Python. The context is that it is a poor choice of weapon for a 12 -year-old at a shooting range.--[[User:MrMiracle|MrMiracle]] 16:39, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

Talk:V for Vendetta

2012-05-08T14:23:15Z

MrMiracle: /* British Weapons */ new section

Don't Colt Pythons all have a vented rib over the barrel?--[[User:156.26.12.72|156.26.12.72]] 16:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I've looked everywhere on the net and no one seems to have noticed that the scene which uses the 686 is inaccurate in regards to the mechanics of that weapon. The camera shows the gun lining up on an empty chamber and firing. Am I missing something here?

:Ever seen Lord or War, just after the intro from Nicolas Cage? It's almost the same thing, except the camera is on the tip of the bullet (with the exception of when it is on an actual empty chamber).--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== The Reverends Gold Gun ==
Was watching this movie again, and I realized that the gun the reverend used (the guy that Evey is sent to as a prostitute) wasn't in here. It looks like the gun Michael Shanks used in Burn Notice (that's the actors name, the character's name is Victor). Anyone confirm? --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 23:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Correction, it's a Berretta Jetfire with gold plating. Can clearly see the Berretta logo. Can anyone get a screenshot? --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Done, but for the record it doesn't look like a Jetfire to me. [[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't look like a Jetfire. The trigger guard is different, and the one in the movie doesn't appear to have a hammer or the hinge on the front of the slide. Plus, it looks like it has a grip safety. It doesn't have the Jetfire's horned backstrap, either. Try comparing it to a Beretta Model 1919 [http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20italienne/beretta/a%20beretta%201919%20gb.htm]. I believe you'll find it to be a much closer match.

Just an anon. user's two cents.--[[Special:Contributions/141.165.142.42|141.165.142.42]] 22:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, looks almost identical to me. Minus the movies customization of course. [[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 22:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

== USP pic ==

Mine does not offer any greater detailing than the other, but it will probably look better on the actor and Main Page.
[[Image:Vendetta3.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Old]]
[[Image:V Vendett - USP.jpg|thumb|600px|none|New]]
Alternatively, we could put both in the article. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 21:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

- I don't see a problem with putting them both on the page, myself. Your pic may not have any more detail but it is a good close-up shot. Good job on getting a pic of the 'army' soldiers with the Mossberg 590s. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== British Weapons ==

I find it curious that in a movie about a heavily British nationalist government, there isn't a single British manufactured weapon in the entire film. We've got Italian, German, and Austrian weapons in the hands of most agents and the occasional American gun. Maybe this is just a detail too expensive to implement.