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User talk:Evil Tim

2011-12-22T00:57:39Z

MaximRecoil: /* There is no such thing as a commercial M1911 or M1911A1 */ new section

And I think we'll start this again with a clean slate.

== you to know ==
But you must accept that some of my images are good ! For example: my AEK-971 images, MP-412 REX, Mk14 Mod 1,SVU Dragunov and PKP Pecheneg.

== Type 69 response ==

I've asked BRM to refrain from making any more changes until this is decided upon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:05, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==Black==

Dude, Your comments on the screen caps are awesome! (The Uzi) "Kellar reloads his NO KELLAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'LL KILL US ALL". XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:41, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==
It is interesting about them two editing just certain pages. If I remember right when MT2008 banned POI, I think he banned certain IP addresses he was using, I don't think Burt's IPs matched. But they are both in Cali. They were on the forums about the same time posting, they may have made replies back to each other. I don't remember. Hopefully the other mods will come to a decision on the RPG issue.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:13, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

:Hi, Tim, I have to present some of my research today (I'm in grad school), so I apologize for being so busy yesterday and today, but quick update:

:(1.) I think I got you approved to post on the forum. Try it now and see if it works.

:(2.) I did used to think that Burt might be PoI re-incarnated, and he certainly sounds like PoI sometimes, but I haven't been able to be sure of this. Being stubborn and argumentative is not a personality trait exclusive to PoI, and Burt hasn't demonstrated some of the other personality traits that made PoI so unlikable (in my opinion, anyway). That being said, PoI was quite technically competent (setting up sock puppet accounts after he got banned), so it's not impossible that he and Burt are the same person. But as Brian told you, their IPs were very, very different.

:(3.) We'll get to the bottom of the Type 69 issue. Promise. :)

:-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 09:26, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

::I'm not sure why you haven't been approved on the forums. Are you using a free e-mail like Yahoo, Gmail? I don't have approval privileges on the forum. So I get "don't have permission" message when viewing your name, despite being a mod. Matt (MT2008) has a little bit more rights. So he may be able to help. But he's dealing with school, so just be patient.

::On another note, Burt didn't start making edits on the wiki until after he was temp banned from the forum, if I remember right (Matt did the banning). I ended up temp banning him on the wiki too for being a smartass. He's gotten better about things, but he still ends up rubbing people the wrong way.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:54, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Have you tried contacting Bunni here on the wiki about your forum problems?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:06, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== ESU is SWAT ==

In the NYPD, the Emergency Services Unit functions as SWAT in addition to other duties.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:20, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

You did take a look at the official NYPD website, right? [http://www.nyc.gov/html/doc/html/about/esu.shtml] They perform the tactical duties, but are not called SWAT.

== Created Gun Tables ==

If you are thinking about converting the gun pages to the table format, please use the table as seen in [[Taurus PT945]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:18, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

In keeping with the actor pages, please arrange by year earliest FIRST for any future revisions (you can keep minigun entries the way they are). For the videogame tables, just eliminate the "Actor" box. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:58, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare ==

Do you feel like helping me look over the page for errors?

== RE: CODBO screenshots ==

Yeah, I had spotted it too, but by that time I had already taken the screenshots. It doesn't look too out of place but the next batch of shots that I plan to upload soon, have the corrected size.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:41, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spacing ==

I'm using Internet explorer at 1366 x 768, so I guess it's only in that browser. I'll amend my message. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

== Re: Re: Call of Duty World at War ==

By your definition, what's to stop people from listing every single howitzer, tank cannon, and other heavy artillery piece imaginable on this site? We have to draw the line somewhere. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:02, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

:In that case, I guess we should get to work listing every time a Tiger tank shows up with its' 88mm gun in a WW2-themed article or when an Abrams fires its' M256 120mm gun in a modern film. You up for cluttering the pages with that extraneous, unnessicary info? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:25, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Spaceart replicas ==

Did someone tell you to remove them? We went over this on the forum. Since we don't have the screen used guns in some cases, they are okay to use. We were planning on removing the links though. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
:Some were kind of for them, some weren't. http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1662 I thought they were okay representatives to use. If they aren't going to be on the main pages, place them on the talk pages. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:05, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
I'm putting them on so I can remember them better. Sorry for any inconvenience but I will continue to do it, But I will change the jpeg name so that my images won't be uploaded. Is that ok.
==re:thank you==
No problem. If you want I can change the protection for your page to registered users only. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:11, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

== That Spambot ==

I guess we'll just have to keep deleting out the entries. Thank for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

==new actor pages with the gibberish==
Don't bother blanking them. Or marking them. When I delete them, it will only show their contributions and I can double check the ip to make sure I banned it. Talk pages are okay and just revert full pages and we will protect them against further action.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:53, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

== Chuck: Thanks for the ID. ==

Thanks for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:22, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== M2 Browning in Bad Company 2 Vietnam. ==

The M2 Browning is mounted on the M48 Patton Tank, but you maybe know a better picture

maybe its better to just use an standard M2 browning picture, the picture i uploaded isn't the best if you understand--[[User:WorldofTanks|WorldofTanks]] 12:19, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
thx for the upload it looks better now

== Shinji Mikami‎ ==

On IMDB, I only see that he's directed video games. All the directors credited on the site have either two or more films represented on the site or is also an actor who has used a firearm in a production. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:41, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

Adding game directors as a category is getting way too far away from the original purpose of the site. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pagecounter ==

How do the pagecouter works on this wiki ?

==Trademark==
Though it's not absolutely necessary, for the longest times people thought Muzzelite was the name of a GUN not the cover. And then people started naming Muzzelite as a generic term for other aftermarket bullpup kits, which it is not. Muzzelite IS a tactical aftermarket accessories company that is independent from Ruger. and their most famous contribution to society is a trademarked line of bullpup kits. at the time the TM was just a way to break people from the bad habit of using the Muzzelite as a generic firearm term, that's all. You're overthinking it. This all happened YEARS before you were a member so don't worry about it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:24, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

==M8A1==
You are correct, your photos are proof that the M8A1 is the base chassis, but I ask where did you get your information? You state that you did research. Did another source correctly identify the tanks? I only ask because the guys at Veluzat themselves erroneously identified the chassis as M48s on the DVD and to me personally. Now you have proven them wrong, but I want to know where else on the net the correct info has been listed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
::jeez, you send me a message right when I'm fixing the page already..... LOL. I was doing it already :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:48, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Though some state that the M8A1 is a derivative of the M41, I wonder how much. The M8A1 has 6 main bogey wheels and four return rollers. The M41 & M42 have only FIVE Main bogey wheels and three return roller. That indicates a completely different frame. Just noting. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:55, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

== Help needed ==

Hi. I'm working on a page for the film "Derailed". There was a S&W pistol, what the detective ID'd as a Smith & Wesson Model 5906. However it had those bigger sights, like the one on this image:
[[Image:Pix1264003015.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9mm]]
It this a very early M5906? I thought I ask you since you visit the site every day, and know a lot about guns. :) Thanks in advance. P.S.: I added an image of a WW2 "thing" onto the talk page of [[Clive Barker's Jericho]]. You have any idea what that is? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:55, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
:'''Never mind, I figured out that Smith and Wesson thing...''' - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:31, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

::Thanks a lot for the help with that shitty WW2 gun. I thought it will be some kind of mortar or something like that. I think it should ''not'' be added to the page, what do you think? I also added the M26 MASS, I found in the manual that it is an "XM-26 semi-auto shotgun", LOL. Just a little trivia: I was really disappointed with F3AR (and I think you were also - at least that's what I've figured out of the talk page), but this game is pretty sick, I bought it in 2008 but haven't played it till now. I played it tru 5 times in the last week. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:00, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

==D-War==
Unless you know for sure with a verifiable source be careful NOT to declare it as a definite fact. The reason why I said that is I recently went by a movie tank farm where they had lightweight Abrahms 'dummies' that ran on some sort of small vehicle for deep background shots. Sure, lots of movies like to CGI duplicate but there are some times when the film wants people interacting with the tanks in the distance. Thanks for the note though. :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:49, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

==Re: Ace Combat==

That's a good question. I have the PS2 titles in the series myself and have played the demo for ''AC6'', but lack a means to take screenshots that wouldn't look like crap. Ideally, I'd like to see the weapon ports for each aircraft mentioned in the articles (ideally with the gun firing so as to show the viewer where the firing port is via the muzzle flash), but I know that might be a bit excessive with some of the games such as ''The Unsung War'' which has something like 16 aircraft that all use the [[M61 Vulcan]] cannon. If my ideal suggestion is not possible, then try to get the player characters' signature aircraft (F-14A Tomcat in ''AC5'', F-22A Raptor in ''AC04'', F-15C Eagle in ''AC Zero'', F-16C Fighting Falcon & F-15E Strike Eagle in ''AC6'', etc.). I greatly appreciate your interest in helping to complete these articles, and look forward to seeing your input on them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

:I would exercise caution with some of the ground vehicle weapons, as that can easily stray into territory not within the scope of the wiki. If you can find a tank or APC with a machine gun or a ZSU-23 AA gun, that's fine, but please avoid things like heavy artillery systems or large-caliber flak guns. There is also a screenshot I would like to see for the ''AC5'' article, but it's extremely difficult to get; namely an image of the player's aircraft being engaged by a [[FIM-92A Stinger]] in "Powderkeg" with the Yuktobanian radio chatter that specifically mentions that weapon system by name. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:43, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

::The 'tricky' part of the "Powderkeg" shot I mentioned is having that piece of dialogue appear at the same time as you're being engaged by said SAM. Both things happen at random during the mission if I remember correctly, so getting them to happen together so as to create a decent screenshot could be difficult. I also thought of another shot I would like to see for ''AC Zero''; a pic of a Belkan BM-335 bomber firing its defensive M61 Vulcan armament (I've noticed that the BM-335 seems to be the only heavy bomber in the series thus far that has any defensive gun armament; the in-game B-52's & Tu-95's appear to have been 'neutered'). [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

== Payday is deleted ==

Thanks for the heads up --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:56, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

==Rank changes==
Navy ranks are abbreviated differently. Listing a US Navy Lieutenant as "Lt." is not correct. See the link. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:US_officer_ranks] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:28, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:We're not talking about Jessica Biel or Josh Lucas, we're talking about their characters, who are US Navy Lieutenants. If we're going to bother listing their ranks, we might as well do it correctly. And as I said, "Lt." is not shorthand for a US Navy Lieutenant, "LT" is. If you want to write out the whole rank, go ahead. But if you're going to abbreviate it, then do it correctly. You noticed I left non-naval ranks alone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:44, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
::I thought being correct trumped readability. "Lt." may be short for the *word* "Lieutenant," but we're talking about the specific rank. And it's not just an administrative choice, navy LTs a different grade than Army/AF/MC lieutenants, just as Army/AF/MC Captains are different than Navy/CG Captains. Using the proper abbreviations helps in differentiating them. [http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=266] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:12, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:::"I don't know, if you're trying to educate people there's no point being correct if nobody understands you're correct..." Really? On the website that tracks *46* variants of what most people would just call a "Colt .45?" (And at least thirty variants of what laymen would just call an M16.) If you want to write out the full rank, go ahead, but keep in mind, the abbreviations do exist for a reason. And of course there are no hard feelings, we're resolving this like reasonable adults. As for [[Stealth]], I think it A) REALLY deserved a good video game adaptation, B) felt like a fifth grader's attempt to remake "2001: A Space Odyssey," C) is an absolutely gorgeous, yet absolutely terrible film, like [[Pearl Harbor]], and D) like Pearl Harbor, makes me wonder if the Navy leaves deciding whether or not to assist on a film to a chimp. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
::::It is what it is. If people see a someone in a naval uniform with LT in front of his or her name, and can't figure out it's short of Lieutenant, then I don't know what we can do. If we can educate people, I think we should. (Just be happy there aren't any Rear Admirals here. Explaining RDML and RADM would be a pain.) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ace Combat series. (I haven't had a PS2 in four years, and yet still have my copies of AC04, AC5, and Zero just in case I do get one again.) Considering it's taken them FOUR YEARS to make a console sequel to AC6, I'm willing to make room for a few clones, like a Stealth game. (As long as it's good. The HAWX series is really disappointing.) How desperate was I for another AC game? I actually thought about getting a Wii just so I can play Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, those UAV missions were just lazy. And that just sums up the entire HAWX franchise. The gameplay is somewhat close to the AC series, but it just lacks polish. The cutscenes in HAWX 1 were some of the worst I've ever seen. BTW, I saw your note to Bunni about the cache issue. I got the same issue two weeks ago, but with a different user. I tried clicking on those same pictures you mentioned, and I'm in as a different, albeit logged out user. If I click back, I'm back in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Sarcasm ==

There is no need for you to leave sarcastic comments on talk pages. Don't delete my comments and leave your saracasm on there. Grow up

There is no need for you to add that in the talk. What is the point of it? I'm going to delete it.

Don't removie my posts if your just complaing about people doing the same thing to you.

If they ban me they would have to ban you. There is no reason to leave your sarcastic comment on that page. Like I stated earlier GROW UP

No Funkychinaman answered my question you just addaded your two cents in when there was no need for it.

Yeah Ben41 warned me but did you see that he didn't delete anything I posted on the talk page, no he didn't. I could keep this up all day your comment will be removed, your not an administrator either

== How to make new pages/articles ==

Hi there i may wanna create a page for the game "Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West"

My question is how i create new pages ?

==Steyr AUG==
Those images of soldiers using the gun in the field are not usable for 'gun images'. Sorry. Please remove them. We only allow stand alone images of guns, NOT news or media release photos of them in the field. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:19, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
::Doesn't matter if they offer a better view of the weapon. Even up to the big crew served weapons and gun platforms, IMFDB tries to put solo pics up, no pics from field use. Put those type of pics in the discussion page. Other than that, only sterile Gun only pics are allowed as gun photos on the gun pages and movie pages. Thanks. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:43, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== Cloudflare ==

Good catch - I'm going to see if there's any way to exclude some pages from the cache and force them to update every time. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 19:28, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Jason Lee==
I'm opting not to make a page for [[Stealth]]'s Jason Lee since he's only got one film credit. If there's a need, I'm leaning toward using the IMDB name of Jason Lee (IX). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:58, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Stealth==
The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

==battling comments and deletions==
So whats the deal with you and this noob? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== Supernatural ==
I'll leave it up for now. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:36, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== New User ==

Hey man, I just thought it would be funny to create my name like this. I'm not here to go around harass people and cause trouble jd0555--[[User:Jd0555|Jd0555]] 11:51, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: Bah, ain't that what they all say? After all, aliens always say 'We come in peace/we mean no harm' even if they intend to destroy us all. :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:02, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

I mean yeah a little it got you a little upset :p. Like I said I'm not here to start trouble

Well right now (even though I agree with you, but would that hold up in a court of law?) lets wait and see. if he starts acting up I have no trouble with blocking him. and I know MPM2008 won't have any trouble doing that either. Nor will Ben --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:13, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

==RE: Language==

That was just a thought on my part. And to me, if it was one line that's one thing - but two makes it a different case - a pattern. If he's deliberately trying to get pages censored that's not right. You should make a note of that to Ben. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:09, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: He's done it again, and now I'm seriously starting to think that either he's intentionally doing it just to be annoying. I've brought this back up with Ben, and also have brought it to attention of Predator20 and JCordell. This has now started to tick me off and I'm starting to see it as a real problem. I want to know what this guy's deal is. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:37, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

== Profanity ==

The amount of offensive language should be kept at a minimum level in order to maintain the professionalism of the site. The quotes were removed because they were not overly important to the screencap. I don't think I'll be going through and removing all profanity, but I don't want users to ask why we allow profanity on the movie pages and not in discussions. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

Those comments were made long before the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] were finalized and now it's been stated that swearing should be kept at a minimum. I just removed a (now banned) user's comments due to the profanity. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:41, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

==Wrong?==
Instead of putting just "Wrong" when correcting a misidentified weapon, you could also put a reason down. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

== Re. communication on IMFDB ==

Thanks for your quick reaction, this is much appreciated!

I now understand the 'logic' and I will indeed make replies on somebody's user talk page so that the person gets a notice. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:39, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==zastava==
don't remove the note. Instead point to it and publicly shame me into actually getting around to DOING IT! LOL. hahahaha. I forgot because I just haven't seen that note in a long time (and when you mentioned it I did a "DOH!!!!") It's a wee bit tough since all those Yugo AK variants are in a vault about 65 miles away from my home (though I live in a major metro area of California, the state government of CA won't allow those types of restricted weapons in major dense population centers, even though the movies are all shot here, but we know how stupid most politicians are.....) I haven't had time to photograph that and many other weapons since I've been working non-stop (gotta grab the work when it happens, since there are LONG times of 'famine' in this biz). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:54, 21 July 2011 (CDT) Thanks for the reminder. I will try to do that soon.

== Thanks for the help ==

Hey Evil Tim, thanks for help undoing that spammer's work, My computer was terribly slow on those last two pages and I couldn't undo them as quickly as I would have liked too, so thank you for that too. You are a great contributor to the site, and keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

==MGS4 Page==
I actually just utilized HD youtube vids, not really tech savvy enough to use a capture card I guess. I agree on the M67 image, that was a random shot I found on google, and if you can replace it with a better one, please feel free.

I planned to capture shots from MGS2 and 3 as well, but there aren't very good quality videos out there, and since the HD remakes are coming out in the fall, I'll wait until then to find better quality shots to upload. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==terror scoped rifle the saboteur==

sorry to ask but can you find out for me what type of gun the terror scoped rifle is :)[[user:cbeattie]]14:49

== Human Revolution ==

Hi. Are you planning to finish the page for this year's best game? I have it but have no time to upload so feel free to finish tha page. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:25, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Just Cause 2 M249 ==

Does it really feed from the underside in the game? To me it looks like the screenshot could be misleading. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 15:01, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== G11 Magazine ==
Huh, I thought that the stick was simply just a block of rounds stuck together and the weapon consumes the entire thing. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 08:52, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

== Captions ==

Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon [[Far Cry 2]] page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:Thanks :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:21, 15 September 2011 (CDT)

== Renaming pages ==

Hi Tim, thanks for your comments. I followed your instructions and [[Attack on Leningrad]] was created in just seconds. Jolly good! --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 08:36, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== bioshock ==

Hey man, didnt mean to get rude with the bioshcok "machine gun". I get defensive at times, I apologize for my rude behavior.--Gunner5

==about==

what all that about on the saboteur ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:20, 8 September 2011 (CDT))

== User: Cbeattie ==

Can I please have some help? Cbeattie is bugging the living hell out of me. ಠ_ಠ Just look at the "Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur" and the "sabouter 44 pistol" section on my talk page. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:33, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

sorry to ask what is that rifle on your main page
please ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 10:32, 20 September 2011 (CDT))
thank you

You don't get it the terror scoped rifle is real it is a ZH-29 with a few mods so it fits sean if you don't belive me i have proof on the wiki page ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:47, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

Tim look at this crap Cbeattie did on The Saboteur wiki. [http://the-saboteur.wikia.com/wiki/Terror_scoped_rifle] :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:38, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

For the last time it is not me stop saying it is :( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:46, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

==re:CB==
Alright, you're going to have to go into more detail about what the problem is. I can't ban him just because he's disagreeing with another member. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

==Please==
please Tim what is that rifle on your user page called cheers ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 16:08, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

==Thanks for suggestion on 'watch' option==

Thanks for your suggestion on the 'watch' function, this is just what I was looking for! I have added that functionality to my pages so I won't miss anything. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 09:04, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

I am having an issue that I hope you can help me with (2nd time today!). Do you have any idea how to delete pages? Yes, I asked you earlier but this time is different...

Reason is that I created a page for the [[Bruni Magnum]] because it appeared in one of my movies. MPM suggested me to make that page a section of the [[Colt Python]] page because it is in fact a blank-firing copy of that revolver. I could not use 'move' and have automatic redirects created because that would mess up the Colt Python page.

Instead, I cut-and-paste my info to an additional entry in the Colt Python page but now I am left with a completely empty page ([[Bruni Magnum]]) that has no use but unfortunately this is where people get directed when they type in 'Bruni Magnum'. Sorry for the mess but do you have any suggestions how I cabn fix this. HELP!!! --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 09:29, 26 September 2011 (CDT)

==Spammers==
Just to let you know. There are several new spammers on the website that uses the same distinctive username format as the others I found in the log here: [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers]. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 08:06, 29 September 2011 (CDT)

== Resident Evil: Retribution ==

I'll just put a note on the front of the page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:03, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

==re:spammer==
Sounds good to me. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 06:52, 30 September 2011 (CDT)
:You have a better handle on it and would explain it better to Bunni. So why don't you give it a shot. Also I got an e-mail from a user who could edit because of that guy. This is what he wrote me. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:00, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

"Hey there! For some reason I've been blocked from editing articles and uploading files.
The cause specified:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Predator20. The reason given is this:

Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "3f8WoqN8".

The reason given for 3f8WoqN8's block is: "Spamming links to external sites"

Start of block: 04:24, 30 September 2011
Expiry of block: 03:19, 1 October 2011
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.76

Your current IP address is 173.245.53.76, and the block ID is #2792.

I have never done any sort of spamming, at least not conciously. I haven't used any other name than my current "Duster32" on this site. Furthermore my IP adress isnt 173.245 (etc) but 83.253 (etc), the latter which is a Swedish IP, which is fitting as I am from Sweden. The spammers IP is apparently based in Brooklyn. I have no idea why my real IP isnt showing correctly on this site but I am not responsible for user "3f8WoqN8" actions.

/Dudster32"

==My page==
So ''that's'' what I did wrong. Great. thanks. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:47, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

== IP Whitelist ==

Good catch. I added the Cloudflare IP ranges to [[MediaWiki:Autoblock_whitelist]] [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 16:52, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

== Uh... Help? ==

Tim, please look at the top of my talk page. O_o - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:18, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Solar ==

I'll look into it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 15:37, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

== Icon ==

Ha! Yes it's new, I was finally able to create a small version I was happy with. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

== Patten PK470 ==

First of all, You know waaaaaay more about guns than I do, and I might be off on this one:
[[Image:FEAR2-BlaBlaBla.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
The image shows how the bolt (I'm not even sure that's how it is called) locks back after Beckett tosses in the mag and he hits IT to return it to the front and be able to shoot dudes again. What do you think? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:03, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
:Yeah, it is possible that he misses that thingy and hits the ACOG instead, but maybe the effort should be noted on the page, you know. Or the fact that the bolt locks back in that strange way after inserting the fresh magazine. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:14, 12 October 2011 (CDT)

== The Rock ==

I'll take a look at it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:10, 12 October 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Rock 302.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

== Weapon Categories Guideline ==

Hi. Do you know if there is some kind of weapon categories guideline on IMFDB? Like which categories should be (SMGs with\without PDWs, Handguns encompassing Pistols and Revolvers, etc.), in which order (like Handguns first, then SMGs, ending with Fictional weapons or Explosives, etc.). Or is it to how editors prefer at any current moment? Bringing order to the pages would certainly help and trying to be a part of it. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:07, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

== Congrats! ==

I guess this should be reason enough to maybe write down your password. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:54, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

==copyright==
well actually I only started copyrighting the images explicitly after some ugly piracy issues between 2009-2010, but if you were here from the start, all the veteran members already knew that my pics were MY pics :D Putting the copyright all over the place is a recent trend, and I've been trying to over write a lot of the older pics with an explicit copyright but it takes time. Most of the members back in the day knew enough when they saw the quality and that I had uploaded it. They knew better than to over write it. Also when I load someone else's pic as a place holder I usually put a note on it that it's not mine. So, no I did not overlook anything. These image files are OLD, from the early days of IMFDB and it takes a while to over write over 700 original images. But I'll get to it. He is NOT correct though in overwriting the image that he did. :D Whether it is mine or not, the IMFDB rule is NOT to overwrite a superior image with a lesser quality image (whether it be lighting style, clarity or size). So in that respect, he was wrong. The usual procedure is to upload a NEW image, if for some reason a member feels strongly that an existing image doesn't represent the gun well. :) I know you're relatively new (compared to some of the OLD timers of the site hahahaha) so I thought I'd put that out there since it is something we've all done since 2008, but never really explained to anyone new. :D lol. Thanks for the note. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

== Congrats ==

Best wishes on becoming an admin. May you use your powers for good. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:15, 19 October 2011 (CDT)

== RE: GAU-8 ==

The reason the full length is not linked to as much as the cropped contrast images is that up until 2 days ago the cropped one was the only one on the site. I'm not a great fan of it personally as it is a digitally manipulated version of the full length image, which if you blow them up to full size the full length one is actually much clearer on the detail of the gun itself. Regardless, I'm going to use the image of the gun with the helmet and ammo box for any new pages I put it on, as this is the only image that shows just the physical gun, unobscured by the feeding mechanism, making it more in keeping with the other automatic cannon pictures on the site. I'm going to move the contrast image to the discussion aswell, as I see no reason to use it because even though it is slightly larger, it shows less of the gun and is more blurry and grainy.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:06, 20 October 2011 (CDT)
:The only part of a GAU-8/A I have ever seen in a movie or game is the muzzle, so for an ID of a non standard installation anything apart from that is irrelevant to be honest. All the other aircraft cannon pictures on the sight, such as the ones for Vulcan variants, don't have the feed mechanism which is also required for them to fire. With the avenger the drum is needed for the weapon to work, which is part of the reason I put the full length picture on the main page, and is an integral part of the gun. As the weapon is link-less, the rounds are not pulled along on their belt by the feed mechanism, but are actually driven to the gun by the drum which stores the rounds nose towards the centre in a spiral channel, with a grooved rotor in the centre which rotates to move the rounds along the channel. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:38, 20 October 2011 (CDT)

==WTF?==
Congrats. Since when did you become a mod? I did not know that. I would have posted Congratulations LONG AGO, but I had no idea. I only suspected (in my tiny pea brain) that something was different when you banned a member. Remember, being a mod is a tremendous responsibility. Use that power wisely, for the benefit of mankind! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:03, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

== Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2009 ==

I need some help with the weapon id'ing. I got a handful of weapons I.D.'d (not 100% sure on them though), and I have no capture card, so the screencaps on the page were the best I could do. Bolt-Action rifles are not my strong suit (IMO they all look the same). I also plan on doing a page for Bass Pro Shops: The Hunt. - [[User:1morey]] October 22, 2011 2:20 PM (EST)

== Banning Spambot ==

I have no objections to banning them. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:42, 24 October 2011 (CDT)
:Great job on eliminating the spammers vandalizing this site. Here is another user I suggest banning: [[User: Gdresses0]]. The distinctive naming structure of this user is similar to that of [[User:Edresses0]], who is already banned now. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 01:40, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

==coilgun==
A coilgun is real not fictinoal it stays on there dont delete things you dont know about please.([[User:CB|CB]] 05:40, 27 October 2011 (CDT))

== Re: Island Thunder ==

I did that for every weapon I think, but will double check when the page is 100percent done. I added the game as <nowiki>[[Ghost Recon|Ghost Recon: Island Thunder]]</nowiki> and/or <nowiki>[[Ghost Recon|Ghost Recon: Desert Siege]]</nowiki> to those lists. For example, you can check the [[Heckler & Koch HK4]] page. That's what you meant right? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:15, 27 October 2011 (CDT)
:Guns like the OICW or Beretta M9 appear in the original GR too. I removed Island Thunder so that it won't be listed twice. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 08:29, 27 October 2011 (CDT)

== BF3 ==

Nice shots! Looks like the new rig is running nicely. (: [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 14:36, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

==New member "Hi"==
Said person's entry seems like a person you banned, popping up again under an alias. I will try to keep an eye on what he does. But it's very fishy, IMHO. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:20, 1 November 2011 (CDT)
:While it certainly sounds like you know who, I'm a bit puzzled by this because his last alias, JD0556, is still technically active. And incidentally, is ''Chuck'' shown in the UK? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 08:48, 1 November 2011 (CDT)

== Terminator Comparison shots ==

Here's a comparison:

[[Image:T1-HMG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Term1 417.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Mine is from the Blu-ray, and I think there's a little more detail. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:13, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

== Batman ==

Hey Tim. Just a quick question: Are you planning to cap Arkham Asylum as well? I'm playing the game right now, and collecting screenshots to replace those IGN images on the page, but it will take me a few days to finish the game. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:40, 2 November 2011 (CDT)
:Yeah, I am thinking that they used Joker's pistol as a base for Two Face's one. Maybe it is the same gun with a different texture. The overall shape, slide release and trigger guard all look the same. Looking at the other weapons, it looks like they wanted to avoid copyright issues by combining various guns. Unrelated to this, but is the game good? The PC version will be released soon. I can't decide what to pick, this or Skyrim. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:23, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks ==
Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:17, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

==spambot==
Now ain't that some shit. I was on a block roll with that one guy. There was something about that username anyway. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 07:53, 3 November 2011 (CDT)

==Spammer==
Thank you for banning the recent spammers. The spammers appears to be just moviemaster1993 judging by the names and overall message about abusive admins. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 18:53, 3 November 2011 (CDT)
:Here is a user I consider watching after: [[User:005010]]. This user is inactive, unlike the other "cleared" users that registered several hours ago. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:06, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

== Arkham City ==

Yes, Two-Face uses a Milkor grenade launcher in the final Catwoman mission, possibly the same one Penguin used in the Batman campaign. On a related note, I think I should like to clarify that the unknown rifles that Tyger troopers carry in Arkham City are intended to be CAR-15s, instead of a completely fictional rifle. For example, in the comic book tie-ins, there is a scene when a Tyger squad bursts into a building, weapons at the ready. The guns depicted here, while obviously based off those in the game, do not have the inaccurate carry top or exaggerated handgrip. They are much more recognizable as their RL counterparts.

In addition, an unknown AK clone and a bolt-action sniper rifle both appear in unlockable ''Arkham City'' concept art. One is entitled "TYGER Sniper" and the other shows Catwoman on the ceiling over a guard's head. Haven't actually unlocked either of these yet, so I can't say I've viewed them up-close, but perhaps you have? Maybe they deserve a section in the ''B:AC'' article.

Thanks,
--[[User:Katangais|Katangais]] 18:19, 5 November 2011 (CDT)

==Template Articles==
Videogames are generally not included because they are just graphical representations (no matter how detailed) of the firearms. The featured articles look best when an actor is pictured actually holding the weapon. The two weapons identified were a chain gun mounted on a helicopter and a weapon that somewhat resembles the Milkor. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:14, 6 November 2011 (CST)

== Shepherd's name ==

Oh, didn't know that :P I guess CoDWiki isn't THE best source for CoD info... Oh well. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:50, 7 November 2011 (CST)

== Clean up the MW3 discussion page ==

Hey can you/we clean up the unnecessary crap all over the discussion page for MW3? 1/2 the stuff up there is a bunch of people pretty much going "OMG I LOVE THIS GAME BLA BLA BLA!!!!" Can we get rid of that and keep the legitimate stuff? That triple posting I accidentally did was because my computer can even open 1/2 the page because it's so huge. Thanks --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 07:43, 10 November 2011 (CST)

::Nah dude the only reason it double posted on your page here is because I hit submit, then cancel, made an edit, then submit again, which conveniently double posted on your wall. And do you realize how unprofessional that page looks like? Seriously, it looks like 1/2 legitimate, 1/2 completely unnecessary garbage. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:10, 10 November 2011 (CST)

:::Ok so we as a knowledgeable community allow this page to be vandalized with bullcrap that has no place there? --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:36, 10 November 2011 (CST)

::::There ya go! Thanks! --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:39, 10 November 2011 (CST)

== Re: MW3 ==

Was just trying to help out a bit. I only added the game to a few of the weapon pages. Didn't mean to step on your toes and I apologize if I did. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:18, 11 November 2011 (CST)

:LOL, it's alright, thought never crossed my mind. Any progress with those ''Ace Combat'' screenshots, by the way? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:34, 11 November 2011 (CST)

==Modern Warfare 3==
Impressive work on the page. Keep in mind that your screenshots are too large and take up too much space. I suggest that you should reduce your game resolution to 1280x720 or any resolution close to that as it is HD, but at a smaller file size. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 20:39, 11 November 2011 (CST)
:Also, I will combine the MP5K and the MP5 sections together and remove the M240 as I played the game and there was no MP5K or M240.They were just placeholder models in the early beta version of Modern Warfare 3. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 10:54, 12 November 2011 (CST)
Fine, but can I just replace the images from the trailers or you should do all of the uploading? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 11:06, 13 November 2011 (CST)
Well, that's fine with me. But I am just adding/replacing a few screenshots. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:34, 13 November 2011 (CST)

== Team America ==

Allow me to raise a matter to you since you're the only Administrator that I know. This weekend, I watched the 2004 marionet-animated comedy [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/ Team America] for the 2nd time since it came out and seen through IMFDB-eyes the guns used were actually quite appropriate and identifiable (see below screenshot).

[[Image:TeamAmerica-screenshotexample.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I am dying to get started on a good IMFDB page for this movie, but since this movie is a bit of an odd-one-out, I raised the question on the IMFDB main page if anybody has strong objections. I get mixed feedback and since I'd hate to see a page that I created eventually getting deleted I am asking your expert opinion as an Administrator.

My point is that even though this is a comedy and the marionettes walk clumsy, the production team actually did take great care to create a believable environment as far as (95% of the) prop guns are concerned. The Production Designer the 35-year veteran Jim Dultz and his team consists of such people as Ramsey Avery (Art Director for e.g. [[Edge of Darkness]] and [[Minority Report]]) plus Thomas Valentine (who was the Supervising Art Director for [[Battle: Los Angeles]]). These guys have a reputation and don't just shop around at the Toys“R”Us toy soldier department, wouldn't you agree?

With many anime and video games rightfully having entries for fantasy weapons derived from existing guns (like e.g. [[Crysis 2]]), I feel Team America deserves a well-done IMFDB page telling fact from fiction. I hope that in the light of above info, you can agree with me and I am looking forward to hear your thoughts on this matter. Thanks for your time, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 06:04, 14 November 2011 (CST)

==RE: two-tone P228==

I switched it back because that two-tone P228 is a factory version which is identical to the ones seen in ''[[24]]'' and other movies. Whereas the picture posted by Commando is a regular blued P228 which had only its slide nickeled - it lacks the nickel-plated controls. I agree that the image quality is a little better, but I prefer something that more closely matches the factory two-tone 228s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:16, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:BTW, I don't have a super-strong preference for this image; if you want to revert it back, I understand. I just think that it's preferable to have a picture which is a closer match to what we see in movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

==9-Bang: Modern Warfare 3==
Can you add back some of my 9-bang screenshots as there is more lighting in them? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 19:40, 16 November 2011 (CST)
:Actually, two megabytes is the site's maximum file size, but one megabyte is the official maximum file size. This means that the site can handle having two megabyte images, but the rules make one megabyte the maximum file size. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 12:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

== Foreign TV series ==

Hi Evil Tim, may I ask if imfdb accepts foreign TV series, as I came to recently, as it is not mention on the rules, principles and standards. Anyway, I saw this Taiwanese TV series filmed by Formosa TV, on aired last year, and its story is about teenage boys entering ROC army boot camps so there is definitely several firearms to write about. I asked Funkychinaman about it and he redirected me here. So is it possible?--[[User:S9771773G|S9771773G]] 00:12, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:If I may interject, the show appears to meet all the qualifications for a page except that it is not on IMDb. It does have its own page on its network website though and from what I can tell, with the few sources I can find in English, it ran for two series/seasons, with 43 episodes. I cross-referenced a few of the actors in it, and it just appears to IMDb is unaware of the series. He just needs the mods to sign off on exempting it from the IMDb rule. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 00:37, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== File NAmes ==
No I got it. Thanks. For some reason I always forget to add the files to the gun image category. Just one of those things I guess. I get to focused on adding them to the pages. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:47, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== MGS HD Collection ==
:Seeing as you did such an awesome job on the MGS4 page, are you going to be capping 2,3 and Peacewalker using the MGS HD collection? The pages (for 2 and 3 especially) as they stand are a bit underwhelming, plus, the games look damn fine in 1080 (in my opinion better than some games today, though that has more to do with the art direction and animation). If not, I'll see about getting some footage from ChipCheezum's LPs of the games. -protoAuthor 19:11, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== New Categories ==
How can I correctly create new gun categories? For example ''Field artillery''. Or I don't have access rights for this operation? [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 04:26, 25 November 2011 (CST)

==Call of Duty 4==
Great job on the page, but please don't replace my third-person screenshots. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:20, 27 November 2011 (CST)
:Well, I kind of want to keep them, especially the ones featuring the main characters (mostly by Milkovich). Even though the game is not like that, I still want to keep them because it shows the third-person weapon model. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 15:54, 27 November 2011 (CST)
Never mind. I will post first-person images if you want it that way. :| - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 17:50, 27 November 2011 (CST)
:I finished posting screenshots for some of the sections. Here are the sections that need screenshots: M1911, M14, M40A3, Remington Model 700P, Barret M82A1, RPD, and some of the weapons in the "Explosives" section. I will try to finish tomorrow. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:07, 27 November 2011 (CST)
Um, would it be better to have Milkovich's images of the mounted machine guns on the Abrams tank? Milkovich's screenshots offered closer detail of the machine guns. Yours barely have any noticeable or distinguishing features that can show how the machine guns are Browning M2s and M240Ds. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 23:59, 27 November 2011 (CST)
:The Super Cobra image is not one of my third-person images, but an official screenshot released by Activision.I just cropped it from the installation program. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 07:31, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blu-ray Screenshots ==

If you can play Blu-rays on your computer, you can use Fast Stone Image Viewer to grab it off the screen. You can then use the program to crop your screenshots. Just make sure the size of your player big, but not full screen (as you can't access Fast Stone in this mode). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:43, 28 November 2011 (CST)

The screenshots look fine. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:00, 29 November 2011

Thanks for the heads up. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 12:43, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== US / U.S. in CoD4 page ==

What is the problem here? There are dozens of pages on this site with "U.S." and not "US" mentioned in them. is it really matter? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 13:07, 29 November 2011 (CST)

I still don't understand the problem here because I don't see it different from other pages, but... As you wish -.- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 13:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

== Member 30 ==

I saw that you took care of that user. Didn't learn his lesson obviously. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:23, 3 December 2011 (CST)

== Well... ==

If you don't want me doing all these formattings in the discussions, could have just said so. I would have left them whatever state they are. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:49, 4 December 2011 (CST)

== Delete Pages ==

Sorry about the blank pages. I am a newbie here. Both the Maadi Griffin and the Armalite AR-50 were used in Mythbusters. If you restore the pages I will add the occurrences. Thanks for your guidance. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 03:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)
:Thanks for restoring them. I added the occurrences. Hopefully they are done correctly. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 03:15, 4 December 2011 (CST)

== Ban? ==

Hi!
I saw that you're an admin on IMFDB. I've being trying to register on the forum several times. The registration goes through, but it tells me that I need further privileges to post a thread. I've also sent a PM to both you and another Admin asking for help. But now when I try to enter the forum it says that I banned due to "spam", which is kind of weird since I can't even start a thread. Do you think you could help me?
Thanks in advance! [[User:Santos|Santos]] 04:32, 5 December 2011 (CST)

== Hmm... (BF3/MoH) ==

Recognize this?
[[image:MOH2010-M16-Slap.jpg|601px|thumb|none|The M16A4 being reloaded in MoH, notice the snake-like symbol on the side of the mag-well... (This is also on the M4A1.)]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Reloading with the rifle in shadow reveals a snake-like design engraved on the mag well.]]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:39, 5 December 2011 (CST)

== MOHrtar ==

HI. Added the pic of the baseplate as you requested. Can you take a look? I'm voting for the M29 mortar. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:08, 5 December 2011 (CST)

== Concerning BF3 and such ==

Why don't YOU do less of that! I'm sick and tried (literally!), I stay up all night for days screen-capping the perfect shots, organizing, reformatting, uploading, ''and'' fixing descriptions and adding captions for BF3. I'm capping the ENTIRE game, so why don't you throw ME a freaking bone! I've let the other pages you've taken over with your ways slide because I'm a nice guy and didn't want to step on your toes anymore. And don't think just because you wrote some stuff on the page it makes it yours, I've wrote and rewrote stuff on your pages and it doesn't make them mine.

I was gonna buy SS3:BFE (if I ever get money...) and cap it simply because I wanted to contribute to the site, but only hours after I did a big edit you magically had the game and you took the page. I swear you are just watching what pages I'm working on and then just swoop in and takeover with your anal 400px weapon image sizes. Just because you are a Amin and have money doesn't make you God of the internets. I don't care if you want to ban me or whatever, have fun fixing up and bring the WHOLE site up to par all by yourself, and while your at it, since your an Amin, you should rename the site too "Evil Tim's IMFDB"... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:58, 9 December 2011 (CST)

== M16 misinformation (Apocalypse Now) ==

I corrected many false statements about the M16 seen on the "Apocalypse Now" page. The corrections are as follows: 1) The M16 was mainly used by the USAF, but also by the US Navy during Vietnam. 2) M16s remained in USAF armories well after the M16A1 was adopted. 3) Late model M16s do indeed have a full-fence lower; they are not necessarily "franken-guns." For more information, please visit: http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/ModGde/RflGde/604.html - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]] 14:17, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Mythbusters ==

Jumped the gun there (no pun intended). Sorry. I'll leave this one to the experts. :-) --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 11:20, 12 December 2011 (CST)

:Hey, so I was thinking about the splitting of the handguns on Mythbusters. A couple of people discussed it ([[Talk:Mythbusters#Revolvers_and_Pistols|Here]]) and it seems like it's a good idea since there are so many handguns. You un-did it last time so I wanted to get you're okay first. Let me know your thoughts. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:48, 16 December 2011 (CST)

==Change the name of article==
Please change the name of the article "[[Stormgate]]" to the "Storm Gate, The". This title will be more correct -- [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 04:19, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== Okay. He's blocked for 1 week ==
--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:26, 21 December 2011 (CST)

== There is no such thing as a commercial M1911 or M1911A1 ==

Evil Tim,

Why do you insist on having pictures of commercial Colt Government Models as erroneous examples of M1911s and M1911A1s (e.g. File:M1911vs.M1911A1.jpg as well as other images on the "M1911 pistol series" page)?

Nearly every one of the images in the M1911 and M1911A1 sections of the "M1911 pistol series" page is laughably wrong. I've already mentioned the problem with File:M1911vs.M1911A1.jpg, and here are the problems with the rest of the pictures:

• File:COLTM1911_1913.jpg - labeled as an ''"Original Colt M1911"'', when it is actually a Colt Government Model.

• File:Colt1911A1PreWar.jpg - labeled as a ''"Pre-War Colt M1911A1 Pistol Commercial"'' when in fact there is no such thing as a commercial Colt M1911A1. It is actually a Colt Government Model, and it is not even pre-war, evidenced by the full-shelf thumb safety (rather than half-shelf), serrated slide stop (rather than checkered), and flat hammer (rather than wide-spur).

• File:NickelM1911A1.jpg - labeled as ''"Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand"''. This is so full of errors that I wonder if it is a joke. First of all, there is of course no such thing as a commercial M1911A1. Second of all, there is no such thing as a commercial Remington Rand gun of any type. They are not even a gun company, they are a typewriter company. As far as guns go, the only thing they ever made is the M1911A1 (all M1911A1s are military, not commercial, by definition). That so-called "satin nickel" finish is simply the result of some guy having it nickel plated; Remington Rand certainly didn't do it.

• NickelM1911.jpg - labeled as ''"Colt M1911A1 Pistol that was bright nickel plated by the owner (with Pearl grips) - .45 ACP"''. This one might be even more ridiculous than the Remington Rand picture. ''It isn't even a Colt''. That is not a Colt serial number for one thing, nor did Colt ever mark a gun "M1911" like that, especially not on an M1911A1-style frame. But even more obvious than the markings, the lines of that abomination of a pistol are nothing like any Colt ever made. That gun is a hack job; I've seen airsoft pistols with better lines than that. Was the machinist drunk? Look at the big slanted section on the bottom of the mainspring housing. Look at that screwy front strap with a completely wrong radius that results in a big gap between where the grip ends and the radius starts. Look at those screwed up frame relief cuts behind the trigger. How about the oversized mainspring housing retaining pin; that weird hammer shape that Colt never used; the almost pointed grip-safety tang; that non-standard trigger pad length (somewhere between a short A1 trigger and a long pre-A1 trigger); and the totally wrong shape to the cutout area of the recoil spring plug housing section of the slide.

It is comically ironic that you deem yourself qualified to revert images that were updated by someone who knows far more about the subject than you do. --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 18:57, 21 December 2011 (CST)

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Magnum P.I.

2011-12-18T10:19:07Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Government Model */

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

''Magnum P.I.'' was a detective series that was broadcast on CBS from 1980-1988. The series starred [[Tom Selleck]] as Thomas Magnum, a Vietnam veteran and former Naval Intelligence officer who then worked as a private investigator on the islands of Hawaii. The series was created by Donald Bellisario, who was responsible for such popular series as ''[[Quantum Leap]]'', ''[[Airwolf]]'', ''[[JAG]]'', and ''[[NCIS]].

'''The following weapons were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''
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=Handguns=
== Colt Government Model ==
The main handgun used by Thomas Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) is a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government Model|Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model]], which is a commercial version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]]. This handgun is supposed to be the one he carried during his service in Vietnam and is sometimes carried in a tanker-style holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:Magnum pi cgm.jpg|thumb|450px|none|The actual main prop from the show (Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, 9×19mm Parabellum, serial number 70L33101, currently owned by the National Firearms Museum). A 9mm version of the Government Model was chosen for reliable functioning with readily available blanks. In the context of the show, Magnum's pistol was playing the role of a .45 ACP however, given that various characters referred to it as a "forty-five" several times throughout the series.]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 14.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum loads the mag into the Colt. Note the line on the magazine that's different from an M1911A1's magazine.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 18.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum puts down the Colt to take off the ring.]]

== Star Model B ==
In some episodes, Magnum's Colt becomes a [[Star Model B]].
[[Image:StarBUntouchablesScreenGun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blued Star Model B - 9mm pistol from the movie ''[[The Untouchables (1987)]]''.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 19.jpg|thumb|none|450px|In Season 1's "China Doll", Magnum is seen using the very similar Star Model B instead of his Colt.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the Season 1 episode "Never Again.....Never Again". Magnum is also seen handling one in Season 1's "Skin Deep".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 34.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the Season 1 episode "Never Again.....Never Again". ]]

[[Image:MagnumS1 24.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum handles the Walther in Season 1's "Skin Deep".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 66 ==
Katrina ([[Ann Dusenberry]]) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo ([[Mimi Rogers]]) at gunpoint with a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice". [[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub with 2" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Katrina ([[Ann Dusenberry]]) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==

Luther H. Gillis ([[Eugene Roche]]) carries a blue [[Smith & Wesson Model 19|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".
[[Image:S&W Model 19.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose (right side).]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==

Luther H. Gillis ([[Eugene Roche]]) carries a blue [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] (2" bbl.) in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".
[[Image:S%26W_36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM36.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Luther H. Gillis ([[Eugene Roche]]) holds a blue Smith & Wesson Model 36 in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
A thug who confronts Higgins at the Ferrari is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 12.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]

== Detonics Compact MKV ==
Rick carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Detonics CombatMaster|Dectonics Compact]] in several episodes.
[[Image:Detonicscombat-master.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:Magnum4 09.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Rick pulls the Detonics on Season 4's "All for One, Part 2".]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

== Norinco Type 54 ==
A [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol#Norinco Type 54 / Model 213|Norinco Type 54]] was used by the rebel leader in "All For One".
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm]]
[[Image:Magnum4 107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol#Norinco Type 54 / Model 213|Norinco Type 54]] was used by the rebel leader in "All For One".]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

=Submachine Guns=
== Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped and converted) ==
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to resemble MP5A3s are notably used in Season 4's "All for One, Parts 1 & 2".
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3. Note the lack of a paddle magazine release, a lugged barrel, and a push pin set 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Magnum4 106.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum lays down fire with the HK94. Note the lack of barrel lugs.]]

[[Image:Magnum4 14.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum with the HK94 in Season 4's "All for One, Part 2". Note that he has 3 mags taped together "jungle" style.]]

=="Fake" Uzi (Mocked up M11)==
In Season 1, foreign agents are seen with Uzi's which are actually M11 with furniture to make it look like an Uzi.
[[Image:MagnumS1 38.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use actual [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]

==Madsen M50==
In the pilot episode, thugs who chase Magnum are armed with the [[Madsen M50]] fitted with a barrel shroud.

[[Image:MagnumS1 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|In the pilot episode, thugs who chase Magnum are armed with the [[Madsen M50]] fitted with a barrel shroud.]]

=Shotguns=
== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

==Single Barrel Shotgun==
In Season 1's "Skin Deep", actress Erin Wolfe (Cathie Shiriff) is seen enacting a scene with a [[12 Gauge Single Shot Shotgun]].
[[Image:SSShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Centauro Single Barrel Shotgun - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 20.jpg|thumb|none|450px|In Season 1's "Skin Deep", actress Erin Wolfe (Cathie Shiriff) is seen enacting a scene with a single barrel shotgun for a video camera.]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

=Rifles=

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam and notably in Season 4's "All for One, Parts 1 & 2".
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 04.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum fires the M16A1 during a flashback to his Vietnam days.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 05.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 40.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) as a Marine helicopter gunner uses an M16A1 while in Vietnam]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 42.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Philippe Trusseau ([[Robert Loggia]]) fires the M16A1 while in Vietnam.]]
[[Image:Magnum4 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dr. Long Tang ([[Clyde Kusatsu]]) uses the M16A1 fitted with the M203 grenade launcher in Season 4's "All for One, Part 2".]]
[[Image:Magnum4 110.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Joe ([[Dustin Nguyen]]) opens fire with the M16A1 in Season 4's "All for One, Part 2".]]

== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==Colt Sako Model L-579 Rifle==
In Season 1's "Skin Deep", a [[Colt-Sako Rifle]] is seen handled by Magnum and later used by David Norman ([[Ian McShane]]).
[[Image:Colt Sako Model L-579.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Sako Model L-579 Rifle - .308]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 22.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 28.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]
[[Image:Magnum4 105.jpg|thumb|none|450px|T.C. uses the HK91 in "All for One".]]
[[Image:Magnum4 12.jpg|thumb|none|450px|T.C. ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) one-hands the HK91 in "All for One, Part 2".]]

== Galil ARM ==
A [[Galil ARM]] with wood handguards is seen in a cache of weapons in the episode "All for One".

[[Image:GalilARM-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|IMI Galil ARM w/ wood handguard, 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Magnum4 108.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A [[Galil ARM]] with wood handguards is seen in a cache of weapons in the episode "All for One".]]

==Valmet M71S==
As what was common for productions in the 1970's and 1980's, the [[Valmet_Assault_Rifle_Series|Valmet M71S]] rifle is seen used as a substitute for the AK-47. In the pilot episode, Vietnamese pirates are seen opening fire on T.C.'s helicopter from a boat. Higgins refers to the rifles in the episode as AK-47's.
[[Image:ValmetM71S.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A Valmet M71S chambered in 5.56x45mm (.223). The Valmet was also offered in 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 08.jpg|thumb|none|450px|In the pilot episode, Vietnamese pirates are seen opening fire on T.C.'s helicopter from a boat with [[Valmet_Assault_Rifle_Series|Valmet M71S]] rifles substituting for the AK-47.]]

=Machine Guns=
== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in his role as T.C.'s gunner in Vietnam. In the episode "All for One, Part 1", Rick is seen using the M60 from the riverboat during the firefight on the river. Magnum and Higgins are seen using the M60 during "All For One, Part 2". The machine gun is used as well in various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen")
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Magnum4 102.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Rick opens fire with the M60 in "All for One, Part 1".]]
[[Image:Magnum4 04.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum uses the M60 in Season 4's "All For One, Part 2".]]

==DShK Machine Gun (M60D Mockup)==
An [[M60D]] mocked up to resemble the DShk machine gun is seen in "All for One".
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DShK 12.7x109mm on tripod.]]
[[Image:Magnum4 11.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An [[M60D]] mocked up to resemble the DShk machine gun is seen in "All for One".]]

=Other=
== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]
[[Image:Magnum4 16.jpg|thumb|none|450px|]]

==M203 Grenade Launcher==
Dr. Long Tang ([[Clyde Kusatsu]]) uses the [[M203]] Grenade Launcher underneath his M16A1 in "All for One".
[[Image:Magnum4 03.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Dr. Long Tang ([[Clyde Kusatsu]]) uses the [[M203]] Grenade Launcher underneath his M16A1 in "All for One".]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

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File talk:M1911vs.M1911A1.jpg

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I don't understand why people keep putting this image on movie pages, it is kind of exclusive for the 1911 page. MPM's images are for movie pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Image update==
Replaced the older image with our own Commercial M1911 vs M1911A1 handguns. All other information is exactly as the previous file :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
:It is a nice picture, but there is no such thing as a commercial M1911 or M1911A1. Both of the pistols in that picture are Colt Government Models. The early Colt Government Models that were made in the M1911 configuration (1912 to about 1924) were identical to the military M1911s manufactured by Colt aside from the rollmarks. The same can be said for the early Colt Government Models that were built after the mid 1920s in the M1911A1 configuration. However, eventually there were some minor changes. By 1950, a Colt Government Model differed from its M1911A1 counterpart in the following ways:

::• No lanyard loop on the bottom of the mainspring housing.
::• A full-shelf thumb safety as opposed to the partial-shelf thumb safety of the M1911 and M1911A1.
::• A bluing job consisting of polished flats and matte radiuses.

:Government Models are still made by Colt in that same basic 1950 configuration today (i.e., the Series 70 Government Model reissue), and are also available in the Series 80 Government Model configuration, which adds the firing pin safety mechanism. The pistol in your picture that you have incorrectly labeled as an M1911A1 is a Colt Government Model manufactured in 1950 or later.

:By the way, "Government Model" is not a description, it is Colt's actual model name for their civilian versions of the military M1911 and M1911A1 pistols, like "Python" or "Detective Special". --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 14:08, 17 December 2011 (CST)

Thanks, it's nice to have our own M1911 Comparision image. Also, is the M1911A1 in this image a different M1911A1 then the one you uploaded a few monthes ago or a different one?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[image:Razorcat.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Limcat Custom 2011 RazorCat - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Sight-Tracker.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strayer Voigt Infinity Sight Tracker - .40 S&W. This is one of 10 pistols custom made by SVI for the television show ''[[Top Shot - Season 3|Top Shot]]''.]]
[[File:Para P14 Limited.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para Ordnance P14 Limited, early model with vertical slide serrations - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::The YouTube guy doesn't know what he's talking about. The Colt M1991A1 did have the Series 80 firing pin safety, but this was introduced on all Colt Government Models in the early 1980s when the Series 80 version replaced the Series 70. The modification has never caused any problems, aside from perhaps complicating the trigger pull slightly, making it a little more difficult to achieve a good "trigger job". Also, the Series 80 parts are easily removed (and normally a few other minor things are done), and the gun will function just fine, in the same manner as a pre-Series 80 gun. The Series 80 firing pin safety wasn't prompted by any specific accidental police shooting. The only thing a non-Series 80 1911-type gun can accidentally shoot due to the lack of a firing pin safety is the ground. In other words, if a non-Series 80 1911-type gun is dropped from a significantly high height (6 feet or so I believe) directly onto its muzzle, the firing pin can continue forward with enough inertia to dent the primer, thus firing the gun (into the ground of course).

::It is too bad that Colt went to the trouble of designing the Series 80 modifications back in the early '80s, because the remote risk of accidental discharge as I described above is more easily solved by simply using a titanium firing pin (rather than the usual steel firing pin) along with a different weight firing pin spring. Since the titanium firing pin weighs less than a steel one, it has less inertia, and a 1911 so-equipped will pass the drop test just fine. In fact, Colt now uses titanium firing pins on their Series 70 Government Models that they started reissuing several years ago. If Colt had thought of the titanium firing pin idea back in the early '80s, they wouldn't have had to make any actual changes to the legendary 1911 design (changes which annoyed a lot of people), and they might not have lost so much of the 1911 market.

::Now, about the M1991A1: it went through a few different incarnations, but it originally was simply an economy version of the Series 80 Colt Government Model. Instead of the polished blue finish of the Government Model (polished flats and matte radiuses), it had an all-matte blue finish. It also had really cheap plastic grips that didn't fit well (they fell short of the bottom of the grip frame by about 3/16"). It also had a big, ugly rollmark on the slide, with "M1991A1" emblazoned in huge block letters. Finally, it came with a flat mainspring housing and a long trigger (both plastic), which was like the original M1911 (pre-M1911A1), which was ironic considering it was named M1991'''A1'''. --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 09:13, 17 December 2011 (CST)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

It all really comes down to preference. Honestly a body shot with any round is not guaranteed to kill or stop anyone. The only thing guaranteed to immediately incapacitate someone is to severing the brain from the rest of the body. Recoil is also a big factor. If you cant shoot it it doesnt matter what you carry. People and police departments have to find the weapon that will work best for them. Personally I like the .45 and I own a 1911. The most important feature on the 1911 for me is its thinness with the single stack mag. Honestly I think my Sig 229 .40 kicks more violently and is harder to shoot than my .45. I know a lot of people who do not like the .45 and much prefer their 9mm because they are better with it. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Modern 9mm JHP and .45 ACP JHP in ballestic gel create near equal wounds. I can post reference links if anyone wants them. The whole thing about magazine capacity isn't really a problem as 99% of the time, only three shots are fired at most. Even with police, most of the time, no more than 3 rounds are fired.

Carry what guns suits you best, whether its a .22LR or its a .45 ACP. Once I turn 21, I plan on getting a SIG 1911 with a 4" barrel in .45 ACP but for the time being, I have to stick with my XD40.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:01, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

::'''"You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications"'''

::"Before cleaning"? What do you think; that it will malfunction on the 6001st round if you don't clean it? The gun is as dirty as it is going to get after a few hundred rounds. When you've fired a gun 6000 times in a row without cleaning and with no malfunctions, that means that when the gun finally does malfunction it won't be because it is dirty; it will most likely continue to function properly until something breaks.

::'''"but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often."'''

::Just so you know, the M1911 didn't malfunction on the 6000th round. It didn't malfunction at all. They stopped after 6000 rounds because that is how many rounds they had decided beforehand would be adequate for a test. Any gun that can fire 6000 rounds without malfunctioning can most likely fire indefinitely without malfunctioning, until something breaks. And keep in mind that the M1911 did this 100 years ago, being built out of the relatively poor grades of steel of the day (steel was greatly improved after WWII, even though no U.S. military M1911 or M1911A1 ever got to take advantage of it, because none were bought after WWII). Also, those things you mentioned are ''potential'' advantages. A potential advantage that isn't used at all is not an actual advantage, obviously.

::30,000 rounds is overkill for a test. Most people will never fire anywhere near that many rounds through their handgun (especially without cleaning), and even if they did, who would want to trust their life to a gun that has 30,000 rounds worth of wear and tear on it? --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 13:18, 17 December 2011 (CST)

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

:Done. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:08, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

== A Location of Procuring ==
Does anyone know where you can get one of these great airsoft movie-1911 replicas namly the stunning and slender long-slide?

[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica]]

-[[User:GladeTaylor]]

The image has a watermark from [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ ehobbyasia.com] on it, so I'd suggest looking there. The exact pistol is [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/western-arms-colt-hoag-bianchi-special-gbb-pistol.html here.] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:12, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== Organization. ==

Any objections to alphabetizing this page? I think it would make a bit more sense... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:38, 6 December 2011 (CST)
:No don't do that. The M1911 and M1911A1 go first. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 6 December 2011 (CST)
::Fair enough, I actually agree with that. But what about the less common ones. Seems weird to Kimber, Strayer, Inifinity, Detonics, Springfield, etc... What if we keep the most common ones at the top (M1911 & M1911A1) and put the rest in order? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:58, 6 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:M1911 pistol series

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==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[image:Razorcat.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Limcat Custom 2011 RazorCat - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Sight-Tracker.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strayer Voigt Infinity Sight Tracker - .40 S&W. This is one of 10 pistols custom made by SVI for the television show ''[[Top Shot - Season 3|Top Shot]]''.]]
[[File:Para P14 Limited.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para Ordnance P14 Limited, early model with vertical slide serrations - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::The YouTube guy doesn't know what he's talking about. The Colt M1991A1 did have the Series 80 firing pin safety, but this was introduced on all Colt Government Models in the early 1980s when the Series 80 version replaced the Series 70. The modification has never caused any problems, aside from perhaps complicating the trigger pull slightly, making it a little more difficult to achieve a good "trigger job". Also, the Series 80 parts are easily removed (and normally a few other minor things are done), and the gun will function just fine, in the same manner as a pre-Series 80 gun. The Series 80 firing pin safety wasn't prompted by any specific accidental police shooting. The only thing a non-Series 80 1911-type gun can accidentally shoot due to the lack of a firing pin safety is the ground. In other words, if a non-Series 80 1911-type gun is dropped from a significantly high height (6 feet or so I believe) directly onto its muzzle, the firing pin can continue forward with enough inertia to dent the primer, thus firing the gun (into the ground of course).

::It is too bad that Colt went to the trouble of designing the Series 80 modifications back in the early '80s, because the remote risk of accidental discharge as I described above is more easily solved by simply using a titanium firing pin (rather than the usual steel firing pin) along with a different weight firing pin spring. Since the titanium firing pin weighs less than a steel one, it has less inertia, and a 1911 so-equipped will pass the drop test just fine. In fact, Colt now uses titanium firing pins on their Series 70 Government Models that they started reissuing several years ago. If Colt had thought of the titanium firing pin idea back in the early '80s, they wouldn't have had to make any actual changes to the legendary 1911 design (changes which annoyed a lot of people), and they might not have lost so much of the 1911 market.

::Now, about the M1991A1: it went through a few different incarnations, but it originally was simply an economy version of the Series 80 Colt Government Model. Instead of the polished blue finish of the Government Model (polished flats and matte radiuses), it had an all-matte blue finish. It also had really cheap plastic grips that didn't fit well (they fell short of the bottom of the grip frame by about 3/16"). It also had a big, ugly rollmark on the slide, with "M1991A1" emblazoned in huge block letters. Finally, it came with a flat mainspring housing and a long trigger (both plastic), which was like the original M1911 (pre-M1911A1), which was ironic considering it was named M1991'''A1'''. --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 09:13, 17 December 2011 (CST)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

It all really comes down to preference. Honestly a body shot with any round is not guaranteed to kill or stop anyone. The only thing guaranteed to immediately incapacitate someone is to severing the brain from the rest of the body. Recoil is also a big factor. If you cant shoot it it doesnt matter what you carry. People and police departments have to find the weapon that will work best for them. Personally I like the .45 and I own a 1911. The most important feature on the 1911 for me is its thinness with the single stack mag. Honestly I think my Sig 229 .40 kicks more violently and is harder to shoot than my .45. I know a lot of people who do not like the .45 and much prefer their 9mm because they are better with it. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Modern 9mm JHP and .45 ACP JHP in ballestic gel create near equal wounds. I can post reference links if anyone wants them. The whole thing about magazine capacity isn't really a problem as 99% of the time, only three shots are fired at most. Even with police, most of the time, no more than 3 rounds are fired.

Carry what guns suits you best, whether its a .22LR or its a .45 ACP. Once I turn 21, I plan on getting a SIG 1911 with a 4" barrel in .45 ACP but for the time being, I have to stick with my XD40.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:01, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol"/"M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

:Done. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:08, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

== A Location of Procuring ==
Does anyone know where you can get one of these great airsoft movie-1911 replicas namly the stunning and slender long-slide?

[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica]]

-[[User:GladeTaylor]]

The image has a watermark from [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ ehobbyasia.com] on it, so I'd suggest looking there. The exact pistol is [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/western-arms-colt-hoag-bianchi-special-gbb-pistol.html here.] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:12, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== Organization. ==

Any objections to alphabetizing this page? I think it would make a bit more sense... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:38, 6 December 2011 (CST)
:No don't do that. The M1911 and M1911A1 go first. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 6 December 2011 (CST)
::Fair enough, I actually agree with that. But what about the less common ones. Seems weird to Kimber, Strayer, Inifinity, Detonics, Springfield, etc... What if we keep the most common ones at the top (M1911 & M1911A1) and put the rest in order? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:58, 6 December 2011 (CST)

Cobra (1986)

2011-12-17T14:02:18Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Gold Cup National Match */

Cobra (1986)

2011-12-17T13:57:59Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Gold Cup National Match */

Cobra (1986)

2011-12-17T13:56:06Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Gold Cup National Match */

File:CobraGoldCup.jpg

2011-12-17T13:52:40Z

MaximRecoil:

Magnum P.I.

2009-10-28T15:17:41Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Government Model */

{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government Model|Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model]], which is a commercial version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo (Mimi Rogers) at gunpoint with a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice".

Luther H. Gillis (Eugene Roche) carries a blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==

Luther H. Gillis (Eugene Roche) carries a blue [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] (2" bbl.) in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".
[[Image:S%26W_36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 36 in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Magnum P.I.

2009-10-27T05:33:05Z

MaximRecoil:

{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government Model|Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model]], which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo (Mimi Rogers) at gunpoint with a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice".

Luther H. Gillis (Eugene Roche) carries a blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 ==

Luther H. Gillis (Eugene Roche) carries a blue [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] (2" bbl.) in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".
[[Image:S%26W_36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM36.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 36 in the episode "The Return of Luther Gillis".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

File:LutherGillisSWM36.jpg

2009-10-27T05:24:46Z

MaximRecoil:

Magnum P.I.

2009-10-24T07:09:33Z

MaximRecoil: /* Smith & Wesson Model 19 */

{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government Model|Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model]], which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo (Mimi Rogers) at gunpoint with a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice".

Luther H. Gillis (Eugene Roche) carries a blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]
[[Image:LutherGillisSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luther H. Gillis' blue Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Luther Gillis: File #521".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

File:LutherGillisSWM19.jpg

2009-10-24T07:03:12Z

MaximRecoil:

Smith & Wesson Model 19

2009-10-24T06:54:05Z

MaximRecoil: Fixed spelling (the name of the sight is "patridge" not "partridge")

[[Image:Smithandwessonmod19-03.jpg|thumb|right|375px|Smith & Wesson Model 19, 6 inch "patridge" front sight barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:S&WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 w/ combat grips - .357 magnum]]
[[Image:S&W Mod19 LethalWeapon.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 magnum. This is the actual Screen used Movie firearm - a custom ported Smith & Wesson Model 19 with black rubber grips, used and carried by [[Danny Glover]] in the film ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' ]]

The Smith & Wesson Model 19 was an 'upgrade' of the very popular Smith & Wesson Model 15 (which was the Model 10 with adjustable sights). With the advent of the more powerful .357 magnum round, Smith & Wesson offered a newer version of the Model 15, beefed up to take the then new cartridge of the time. The .357 magnum Model 19 was adopted by many law enforcement (and some military), however, budgetary concerns and 'political considerations' kept the traditional .38 revolvers such as the Model 10 & Model 15s in service for a long time, concurrent with the active usage of the Model 19.

'''The Smith & Wesson Model 19 revolver and variants have been seen in the following films and anime used by the following actors:'''

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
=== Film ===

* [[Danny Glover]] as Detective Roger Murtaugh in the ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' series

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''

* [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ and [[Jake Weber]] as Michael in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* John Mitchum in ''[[The Enforcer]]''

* [[Clint Eastwood]] in ''[[In The Line of Fire]]''

* Mcnairy County deputies and Tennesee state troopers in [[Walking Tall (1973)]]

* [[Cheech Marin]] as The Tarasco bartender in ''[[Desperado]]'' (1995)

* The assassins in [[Veronica Guerin]]

* [[Josh Brolin]] as N.Y.P.D. Detective Trupo in ''[[American Gangster]]''

=== Television ===

*a man in ''[[Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]]''(episode "A Bolt from the Blue")

=== Anime ===

* Daisuke Jigen in ''[[Lupin III]]''
* A convenience store robber in ''[[Cowboy Bebop the Movie: Knockin' on Heaven's Door]]''
* Thugs at the Yellow Flag and Russel "the Cowboy" in ''[[Black Lagoon]]''

=== Novel ===

* Tadakatsu Hatagami in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Novel)]]

=== Video Games ===

* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''

* ''[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]'' as the M-19

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose ==
[[Image:Smith&Wesson.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose (left side).]]
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 19-3 2.5" bl, nickel plate, Round Butt]]
=== Film ===
* [[Jayne Eastwood]] as Norma and [[Sarah Polley]] as Ana in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''
* William Petersen as a service agent in ''[[To Live and Die in L.A.]]''
* [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''
* [[Eddie Murphy]] in ''[[48 Hrs.]]''
* A robot (!) in ''[[Runaway]]''
* [[John Ashton]] in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop]]''
* [[Cle Shaheed Sloan]] as Bone in ''[[Training Day]]''
* [[Richard Chamberlain]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Identity (1988)]]''
* [[Heath Ledger]] as The Joker in ''[[The Dark Knight]]''

===Television===
* ''[[The Professionals]]''

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Revolver]]

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2009-10-23T21:58:13Z

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==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

==Image Sizes==
The dimensions on a lot of the images are rather large. I'm tinkering with reducing them by 100 pixels each for the sake of conserving page length. Since a lot of people here are familiar with the wiki technology, they know they can click on the images to enlarge the images if they wish.

[[Special:Contributions/68.167.206.53|68.167.206.53]] 04:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

: Please don't change the page format. Everything works together now and it took me a long time to fix. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 02:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
::Uh sorry, but it's FUBARed again. I am going to try a weird little formatting trick, please bear with me [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Hold on, I'm gonna see if I can make this work out better... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:::OK, I have fixed it. From now on, it won't matter if anyone hits "Edit" to one pistol (instead of the whole page); the edit won't remove all the other paragraph spaces automatically (which is what was causing the problem). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but their 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==WHO KEEPS ON F#$%KING WITH THE FORMAT?==
I noticed yet AGAIN, the pictures are not aligning with their sections. We need to tell these anonymous members not to mess with a page's format if they don't know what they are doing!!!!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2009-10-22T21:44:42Z

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Magnum P.I.

2009-10-22T20:57:57Z

MaximRecoil: /* Colt Government Model */

{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government Model|Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model]], which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo (Mimi Rogers) at gunpoint with a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice".
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Magnum P.I.

2009-10-22T20:35:02Z

MaximRecoil:

{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==
Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) shoots Higgins and later holds Margo (Mimi Rogers) at gunpoint with a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] (2½" bbl.) in the episode "Italian Ice".
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:MagnumSWM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katrina (Ann Dusenberry) with a nickel Smith & Wesson Model 19 in the episode "Italian Ice".]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding a [[Colt Detective Special]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

File:MagnumSWM19.jpg

2009-10-22T20:15:22Z

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Magnum P.I.

2009-10-22T19:48:14Z

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{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Higgins is shot with a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] in the episode "Italian Ice". Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding one in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Mossberg 500 ==
Higgins uses a [[Mossberg 500]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep".
[[Image:Mossberg_500_wooden.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIMossberg500.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) skeet-shooting with a Mossberg 500 in the episode "Skin Deep".]]

== Remington 870 ==
A police version of the [[Remington 870]], with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:MagnumPIRem870.jpg |thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) with a Remington 870 in the episode "L.A."]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

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'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Higgins is shot with a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] in the episode "Italian Ice". Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding one in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Remington 870 ==
Higgins uses a [[Remington 870]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep". Also a police version, with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

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{{Template:Incomplete}}
'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Higgins is shot with a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] in the episode "Italian Ice". Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding one in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Remington 870 ==
Higgins uses a [[Remington 870]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep". Also a police version, with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

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'''The following firearms were used on the TV series ''Magnum P.I.'':'''

[[Image:Magnum.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Magnum P.I.'' (1980 - 1988)]]

== Colt Government Model ==
Thomas Magnum's ([[Tom Selleck]]) main sidearm is a Colt MKIV/Series 70 Government Model, which is a civilian version of the U.S. Military [[M1911A1]], sometimes carried in a shoulder holster, most often seen carried inside wast band small of back, no holster. It is sometimes seen in Magnum's flashbacks to Vietnam. A former propmaster for the show has been quoted saying that the original gun was a traditional .45 ACP 1911, but was soon changed to a 9mm version because .45 ACP blanks were too hard to get on location for the show.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt Government Model]]
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Magpi-1911a.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Magnum with his Colt Government Model in a promotional photo.]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Magnum ([[Tom Selleck]]) loads his Colt Government Model in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".]]

== Walther P38 ==
Jonathan Higgins ([[John Hillerman]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] in the episode "Never Again.....Never Again".
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther P38 Pistol - 9mm]]

== Uzi ==
Magnum and Orville "Rick" Wright ([[Larry Manetti]]) use [[Uzi]] submachine guns in various episodes.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
Higgins is shot with a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] in the episode "Italian Ice". Theodore "TC" Calvin ([[Roger E. Mosley]]) is seen holding one in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]

== Remington 870 ==
Higgins uses a [[Remington 870]] for skeet-shooting in the episode "Skin Deep". Also a police version, with a shortened barrel and extended magazine tube, is used by Magnum in the episode "L.A."
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Colt Commander ==
Rick has been seen on the show with a stainless [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Commander|Colt Commander]] in several episodes.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander 1911 - .45 ACP]]

== over and under shotgun ==
An [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|O/U shotgun]] is seen being used for skeet-shooting in the episode "Tropical Madness".
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Over and Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== side-by-side shotgun ==
Magnum uses a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|side-by-side shotgun]] to shoot down Higgins' remote control airplane in the episode "Distant Relative".
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3 ==
Magnum and Higgins use [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One" (at one point, they are fitted with suppressors).
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Kock MP5A3 - 9mm]]

== Heckler & Koch HK91 ==
A [[Heckler & Koch G3#H&K HK91|Heckler & Koch HK91]] is used by TC in Vietnam in the episode "All for One".
[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg |thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch HK91 Rifle - 7.62mm NATO]]

== M60 ==
Rick uses an [[M60]] in Vietnam in the episode "All for One", as well as various flashbacks to Vietnam (the M60 in the flashbacks are seen mounted on the side of TC's helicopter). Also seen in the series is the M60C model (most often in disguise as a DSHK) as in "All for One" and "Mad Dogs and Englishmen)
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60 Machine Gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== M16A1 ==
An [[M16A1]] is seen in the various flashbacks to Vietnam.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M16A1 Rifle -5.56x45mm]]

== Walther PPK ==
Magnum carries a [[Walther PPK]] as a backup weapon in an ankle holster, seen in the episode "The Big Blow".
[[Image:Walther-PPK.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Walther PPK - .32 ACP]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
Rick uses a [[MAC-10]] in the pilot episode "Don't Eat the Snow in Hawaii".
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:MagnumS1 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick ([[Larry Manetti]]) with the MAC-10 in the pilot episode.]]
== Remington 700 ==
Higgins cleans a [[Remington 700]] in the episode "Missing in Action".
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 - .308 Winchester]]

== Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher ==
A [[MM1 grenade launcher|Manville 25 mm Projectile Launcher]] is used by Magnum in the episode "All for One", described as "18 rounds, armor piercing".
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Manville 25mm Projectile Launcher - 25mm]]

== M72 LAW ==
Magnum uses an [[M72 LAW]].
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm]]

== Steyr SSG 69 ==
Magnum uses a [[Steyr SSG 69]] in the episode "Unfinished Business".
[[Image:Steyr_ssg69.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Steyr SSG 69 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

== Detonics Pocket 9 ==
Magnum uses a [[Detonics Pocket 9]] as a backup in the episode "Let the Punishment Fit the Crime".
[[Image:Detonics-pocket-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Detonics Pocket 9]]

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