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Hell on Wheels

2013-07-30T06:25:05Z

MBobMean: /* Sharps 1874 */

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard (see photo), they were not manufactured with a brass frame like the Griswold above. The brass framed pistol Bohannon uses in the opening episode is neither an 1860 nor a Griswold but is an amalgam reproduction that was likely used as a stop gap piece for filming. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle. This is again a problem of dating since the railroad was completed in 1869 and the 1874 model came . . . well . . . later.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with Malcom model scope]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy"==
Prevalent in many scenes, especially "Timshel" (Season 1, Episode 9), this weapon, while period correct, would not have been issued to the US Cavalry as portrayed in the show.
[[Image:Winchester 1866 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" Rifle - .44 RF.]]

[[Category:Television]]

Talk:Hell on Wheels

2013-07-25T00:38:07Z

MBobMean: /* episode 2 weapons */

Sorry I'm not as savvy at identifying firearms as the other members or I would do this myself. But this page at onetime had images of the various rifles used in Hell On Wheels and I was hoping some kindhearted fan would add them back.

== episode 2 weapons ==

mercs (thats what we would call them today) when guarding the massacare site look to be armed with hendry rifles http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Henry_1860 Christopher Heyerdahl (Thor Gundersen, also known as "the Swede")seems to have a sawnoff double barrel shot gun and colm meany (Thomas "Doc" Durant,) semms to have a pepperbox type musket http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Thurber_Pepperbox could be it but if anyone can help thanks--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:I upped a screencap of Mr. Durant's pistol. Is this pepper-box/pepper-pot? http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Hellonwheelss1e2sixbarrels.jpg Someone confirm and add it to the page... [[User:Ristipiste|Ristipiste]] ([[User talk:Ristipiste|talk]]) 06:25, 7 January 2013 (EST)

The Railroad crews and virtualy everyone in the first few episodes that carries a rifle is carrying an 1866 Winchester "Yellowboy." They actually should be carrying Henry's as these were far more prevalent and if the show starts in 1865, would have been the only choice of the two. The Spencer would have been available as well. The railroad crews were known to have asked for Henry's for protecton against Indian attacks (in real life), the Yellowboy would not start getting to the Frontier in any numbers likely for at least another year or more. What actually happened was the elite/folks with money carried the best weapons available: people like Durant, private contractors, or individuals who had come out with any money in their pockets. The Pepperbox was an antique by that time, Durant likely would own somehting like a Smith and Wesson cartridge revolver. Cavalry officers too could carry what they wanted to. Also, the Frontier folks at the time used whatever they had and far and away in 1865-67 the most prevalent firearms would have been percussion weapons (Sharps 1863 Cavalry carbines, surplus Enfield rifles, etc.) so a dearth of these in rifle and shotgun form is disappointing. In the second season we are seeing more "conversion" revolvers but theos edid not start appearing in earnest until a tad later. Bohannon carries a cap and ball, why not everyone else? The transcontinental Railroad was completed at Promontory Point, Utah in 1869 (started in 1862/1864 by the Railroad acts). The first few episodes were disappointing as far as firearms goes, highly unrealistic and thoughtless--it was a less than half-assed attempt amd detracted from a well written and original show that is enjoyable inspite of its ahistorical use of weapons. In this day and age, it would have taken a lazy firearms consultant no more than a week to make a far more accurate and diverse collection for the show. I could have done so in a matter of a few days with a couple of phone calls.

Hell on Wheels

2013-07-23T06:29:58Z

MBobMean: /* Colt 1860 Army */

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard (see photo), they were not manufactured with a brass frame like the Griswold above. The brass framed pistol Bohannon uses in the opening episode is neither an 1860 nor a Griswold but is an amalgam reproduction that was likely used as a stop gap piece for filming. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with Malcom model scope]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy"==
Prevalent in many scenes, especially "Timshel" (Season 1, Episode 9), this weapon, while period correct, would not have been issued to the US Cavalry as portrayed in the show.
[[Image:Winchester 1866 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" Rifle - .44 RF.]]

[[Category:Television]]

Hell on Wheels

2013-07-23T06:07:49Z

MBobMean: /* Sharps 1874 */

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard, not a brass frame like the Griswold above. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with Malcom model scope]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy"==
Prevalent in many scenes, especially "Timshel" (Season 1, Episode 9), this weapon, while period correct, would not have been issued to the US Cavalry as portrayed in the show.
[[Image:Winchester 1866 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" Rifle - .44 RF.]]

[[Category:Television]]

Hell on Wheels

2013-07-23T05:55:00Z

MBobMean: /* Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy" */

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard, not a brass frame like the Griswold above. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with some kind of sight]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy"==
Prevalent in many scenes, especially "Timshel" (Season 1, Episode 9), this weapon, while period correct, would not have been issued to the US Cavalry as portrayed in the show.
[[Image:Winchester 1866 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" Rifle - .44 RF.]]

[[Category:Television]]

Hell on Wheels

2013-07-23T05:45:38Z

MBobMean:

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard, not a brass frame like the Griswold above. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with some kind of sight]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellowboy"==
Prevalent in many scenes, especially "Timshel" (Season 1, Episode 9), this weapon, while period correct, would not have been issued to the US Cavalry as portrayed in the show.

[[Category:Television]]

Hell on Wheels

2013-07-23T05:19:03Z

MBobMean: /* Colt 1860 Army */

{{Ongoing}}
'''The following firearms were used in AMC's ''[[Hell On Wheels]]'':'''
[[Image:Hell-on-wheels1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Hell On Wheels'' (2011)]]__TOC__ 

== Griswold & Gunnison==
Former Confederate soldier Cullen Bohannon ([[Anson Mount]]) carries a Confederate-made [[Griswold & Gunnison Revolver]], by which he is recognised in Episode 1. The correct Griswold & Gunnison is visible for a split second at 34:20 in Episode 3, "A New Birth of Freedom."
[[Image:GRISWOLD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Griswold & Gunnison revolver - .36 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds his "Griswold & Gunnison" (obviously a Colt 1860 Army) after murdering a Union soldier who raped his wife.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsGriswold-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon covers his Griswold & Gunnison with his coat after it's recognized by Daniel Johnson.]] Bohannon does not use an accurate copy of the Griswold revolver in the series. Instead he uses a brass-framed copy of the 1860 Colt Army revolver, a weapon which did not exist until the Italians started making them during the 1960s. The rebated cylinder and 1860-type loading lever can be seen in several episodes, especially the one where he lends it to the ex-slave and teaches him to shoot.

== Colt 1860 Army==
During the opening credits sequence, Bohannon is seen with a [[Colt 1860 Army]] instead of his usual Griswold & Gunnison. The 1860 was the most common handgun in the United States at the time, most had a brass trigger guard, not a brass frame like the Griswold above. [[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Percussion.]]
[[Image:HellOnWheels1860ArmyCredits.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bohannon holds a Colt 1860 in the opening credits.]]

==Remington 1858 New Model Army==
Former Union soldier Daniel Johnson ([[Ted Levine]]) carries a [[Remington 1858 New Army]] in Episode 1. This gun appears to be a modern and unauthentic replica, known as "Texas Model", because brass-framed remingtons were never manufactured.
[[Image:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 1858 New Model Army - .44 Percussion]]
[[Image:HellOnWheelsRemington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That is my Remington pointed at your gut."]]

==Sharps 1874==
In the episode 4 of the second season Bohannon shoots a railroad worker tortured by the Sioux with this rifle. He calls it the long rifle.
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 long rifle with some kind of sight]]
[[File:Hellonwheelss2e4longrifle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer look at the sight]]

[[Category:Television]]

Talk:Hell on Wheels

2012-12-13T18:26:48Z

MBobMean: /* episode 2 weapons */

Sorry I'm not as savvy at identifying firearms as the other members or I would do this myself. But this page at onetime had images of the various rifles used in Hell On Wheels and I was hoping some kindhearted fan would add them back.

== episode 2 weapons ==

mercs (thats what we would call them today) when guarding the massacare site look to be armed with hendry rifles http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Henry_1860 Christopher Heyerdahl (Thor Gundersen, also known as "the Swede")seems to have a sawnoff double barrel shot gun and colm meany (Thomas "Doc" Durant,) semms to have a pepperbox type musket http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Thurber_Pepperbox could be it but if anyone can help thanks--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

The Railroad crews and virtualy everyone in the first few episodes that carries a rifle is carrying an 1866 Winchester "Yellowboy." They actually should be carrying Henry's as these were far more prevalent and if the show starts in 1865, would have been the only choice of the two. The Spencer would have been available as well. The railroad crews were known to have asked for Henry's for protecton against Indian attacks, the Yellowboy would not start getting to the Frontier in any numbers likely for at least another year or more. What actually happened was the elite/folks with money carried the best weapons available: people like Durant, private contractors, or individuals who had come out with any money in their pockets. The Pepperbox was an antique by that time, Durant likely would own somehting like a Smith and Wesson cartridge revolver. Also, the Frontier folks at the time used whatever they had and far and away in 1865-67 the most prevalent firearms would have been percussion weapons (Sharps 1863 Cavalry carbines, surplus Enfield rifles, etc.) so a dearth of these in rifle and shotgun form is disappointing. While the Swede "may" have technically owned a sawed off shotgun that was hammerlesss and cartridge fed in 1865-66, it is highly unlikely as they were custom built and european. Owning a delicate, european weapon for which cartridges were not available on the frontier would have been careless and impractical--something the forntiers people were not. Even the cartridge weapons of the time--again fewer--would have more typically had hammers. Hammer shotguns were not displaced in any numbers until well after 1875 when patents by LeFever and Anson & Deely started to be manufactured. The Colt hammerless, for example, was an 1881 model. The transcontinental Railroad was completed at Promontory Point, Utah in 1869 (started in 1862/1864 by the Railroad acts). The first few episodes were disappointing as far as firearms goes, highly unrealistic and thoughtless--it was a less than half-assed attempt amd detracted from a well written and original show that is enjoyable inspite of its ahistorical use of weapons. In this day and age, it would have taken a lazy firearms consultant no more than a week to make a far more accurate and diverse collection for the show. I could have done so in a matter of a few days with a couple of phone calls.

Talk:Hell on Wheels

2012-12-13T18:21:31Z

MBobMean: /* episode 2 weapons */

Sorry I'm not as savvy at identifying firearms as the other members or I would do this myself. But this page at onetime had images of the various rifles used in Hell On Wheels and I was hoping some kindhearted fan would add them back.

== episode 2 weapons ==

mercs (thats what we would call them today) when guarding the massacare site look to be armed with hendry rifles http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Henry_1860 Christopher Heyerdahl (Thor Gundersen, also known as "the Swede")seems to have a sawnoff double barrel shot gun and colm meany (Thomas "Doc" Durant,) semms to have a pepperbox type musket http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Thurber_Pepperbox could be it but if anyone can help thanks--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

The Railroad crews and virtualy everyone in the first few episodes that carries a rifle is carrying an 1866 Winchester "Yellowboy." They actually should be carrying Henry's as these were far more prevalent and if the show starts in 1865, would have been the only choice of the two. The Spencer would have been available as well. The railroad crews were known to have asked for Henry's for protecton against Indian attacks, the Yellowboy would not start getting to the Frontier in any numbers likely for at least another year or more. What actually happened was the elite would have carried the best weapons available: people like Durant, private contractors, or individuals who ha dcome out with any money in their pockets. The Pepperbox was an antique by that time, Durant likely would own somehting like a Smith and Wesson cartridge revolver. Also, the Frontier folks at the time used whatever they had and far and away in 1865-67 the most prevalent firearms would have been percussion weapons (Sharps 1863 Cavalry carbines, surplus Enfield rifles, etc.) so a dearth of these in rifle and shotgun form is disappointing. While the Swede "may" have technically owned a sawed off shotgun that was hammerlesss and cartridge fed in 1865-66 but it is highly unlikely as they were custom built and european. Owning a european weapon for which cartridges were not available on the frontier would have been careless and impractical--something the forntiers people were not. Even the cartridge weapons of the time--again fewer--would have more typically had hammers. Hammer shotguns were not displaced until well after 1875 when patents by LeFever and Anson & Deely started to be manufactured. The Colt hammerless, for example, was an 1881 model. The transcontinental Railroad was completed at Promontory Point, Utah in 1869. The first few episodes were disappointing as far as firearms goes, highly unrealistic and thoughtless--it was a half-assed attempt amd detracted from a well written and original show that is enjoyable inspit of its ahistorical use of weapons. In this day and age, it would have taken a lazy firearms consultant no more than a week to make a far more accurate and diverse collection for the show. I could have done so in a matter of a few days with a couple of phone calls.

Talk:Hell on Wheels

2012-12-13T18:09:57Z

MBobMean: /* episode 2 weapons */

Sorry I'm not as savvy at identifying firearms as the other members or I would do this myself. But this page at onetime had images of the various rifles used in Hell On Wheels and I was hoping some kindhearted fan would add them back.

== episode 2 weapons ==

mercs (thats what we would call them today) when guarding the massacare site look to be armed with hendry rifles http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Henry_1860 Christopher Heyerdahl (Thor Gundersen, also known as "the Swede")seems to have a sawnoff double barrel shot gun and colm meany (Thomas "Doc" Durant,) semms to have a pepperbox type musket http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Allen_%26_Thurber_Pepperbox could be it but if anyone can help thanks--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 12:56, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

The Railroad crews and virtualy everyone in the first few episodes that carries a rifle is carrying an 1866 Winchester "Yellowboy." They actually should be carrying Henry's as these were far more prevalent and if the show starts in 1865, would have been the only choice of the two. The Spencer would have been available as well. The railroaad crews were known to have Henry's for protecton against Indian attacks, the Yelloboy would not start getting to the Frontier in any numbers likely for at least another year or more. Also, the Frontier folks at the time used whatever they had and far an away in 1865-67 the most prevalent firearms would have been percussion weapons (Sharps Cavalry carbines, surplus Enfield rifles, etc.) so a dearth of these in rifle and shotgun form is disappointing. The Swede "may" have technically owned a sawed off shotgun that was hammerlesss and cartridge fed in 1865-66 but it is highly unlikely. Owning a european weapon for which cartridges were difficult ot find on the frontier would have been careless and impractical--something the forntiers people were not. Even the cartridge weapons of the time--again fewer--would have had hammers. Hammer shotguns were not displaced until well after 1875 when patents by LeFever and Anson & Deely started to be manufactured. The Colt hammerless, for example, was an 1881 model. The first few episodes were disappointing as far as firearms goes, highly unrealistic and thoughtless--it was a half-assed attempt amd detracted form a well written and original show. In this day and age, it would have taken a lazy firearms consultant a week to make a far more accurate and diverse collection for the show. I could have done so in a matter of a few days.