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Talk:AK-47

2012-11-24T13:39:27Z

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=='''Image gallery - OTHER variants of the AK-47'''==
Since members get confused by some of the other (usually customized) variants made for movies, we should store the images here, so that all members can easily find a variant that they've seen in a movie or tv show. '''Note: These do NOT belong on the main AK-47 page because they are customized guns for films and not indicative of any 'production gun'.''' They are stored here for viewing and usage on movie pages that require them.

[[Image:AK47WeWereSoldiersHeroGun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|'''Actual Screen used AK-47''' from the film [[We Were Soldiers]] (built by Cinema Weaponry) - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Type56MuzzleBrake.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56-1 Mocked up to resemble [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]] - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Norinco56Mockup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56 Mocked up to resemble [[AK-74]] - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type84HybridRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 84S modified with a pig Sticker bayonet, no cleaning rod and milled front end with no detent pin (as seen in ''[[Hollow Point]]'') - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BellyNorincoType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom Norinco Type 56-1 nickel-plated, fitted with ivory furniture and a Romanian AIM-style vertical grip, originally made for the movie ''[[Belly]]'', also seen in ''[[Lord of War]]'' and ''[[Sopranos, The|The Sopranos]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Zastava M70AB2 with scope.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M70AB2 with scope - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AK_open.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom-built gold-plated AK carbine from ''[[Lord of War]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak47mw.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM fitted with Tapco Intrafuse and T6 furniture sets and an [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4 carbine]] stock and Stock Adapter similar to the one in ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''.- 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:KrinkovQuadRail.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Krebs Custom Speed Load Krinkov - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[File:AKPDW01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU with RIS handguard - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PolytechGalilSidefolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Poly Tech AKS-47 [[Galil]] side-folder - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Wm 634735.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FEG AK-63E (Hungarian version of the AKMS) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:RD-Maadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maadi ARM (AKM) - 7.62x39mm as used in ''[[Red Dawn]]'' (1984) (image from Long Mountain Outfitters)]]
[[Image:RomanianblackwidowAKfolder.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian AKMS Black Widow - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 with a AR-15 stock and a synthetic handguard - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKWITHOUTSTOCK.JPG|thumb|500px|none|Airsoft AK-47 replica without stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Romanian-WASR-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian WASR-3 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Zastava_M80.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M80 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PolyTechLegendAK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Poly Technologies Legend AK with original Russian Style front sight, AKM muzzle brake, and bayonet - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak103specops.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-103 7.62x39mm with AKM style stock& handguard, and pistol grip as seen in ''[[Spec Ops: The Line]]'']]
[[Image:Far Cry 3 AK-103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-103 7.62x39mm with side-mounted RIS rail & [[AK-74]] style stock, handguard, and pistol grip as seen in ''[[Far Cry 3]]'']]
[[Image:MW3 AK 47.jpg|thumb|none|500px| AK-47 with synthetic M4 style stock, pistol grip and Hand guard, AK 74 style muzzle brake, and side mounted RIS rail as seen in ''[[Modern Warfare 3]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:1romakm47gpwasr10uf1501.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Romanian WASR-10 UF with Tapco magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Bulgarian-AR-M4SF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Arsenal AR-M4SF with red dot sight and stock folded - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:PM md. 90 Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Romanian PM md. 90 Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. Note: this differs from the US import version the [[AK-47#Romanian_AK_Draco_Carbine|Draco]] by its 3 position fire selector, folding stock as standard and darker AKM type palm-swell handguard.]]
[[File:Arsenal-ARM1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arsenal SAR-M1 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[File:King arms ak74 tapco folding stock aeg right.jpg|thumb|none|500px|King Arms AK74 Tapco Folding Stock - Similar to the customized AKM seen in Season 2 of ''Nikita''.]]
[[File:Centre Balanced Systems Standard AKM.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AKM in Centre Balanced Systems stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type56C.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56C (also known as the QBZ-56C) with 20-round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Zastava M92abx .jpg|thumb|none|501px|Zastava M92 7.62x39mm with 75-round drum magazine, railed handguard, RIS foregrip, side-folding stock, and laser pointer]]
[[Image:Zastava M21 s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M21S - 5.56x45mm]]

== The Romanian WASR-3==

Should we have a section for the WASR-3?

:Yeah, I suppose we could do that, since they've appeared in at least three movies that we know of (''[[Casino Royale]]'', ''[[Sahara (2005)|Sahara]]'', and now ''[[Hotel Rwanda]]''). I would also like to do a section for the Romanian AIM series, which appears in ''[[Street Kings]]'' and ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''.

::Well thanks to LUMPY, we now know the make and model of the mystery AKs in Casino Royale and Sahara (2005). It's an obscure FEG Hungarian AK variant that was exported to Europe during the 1980s, which is why Sasha Robey has them and We don't. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:26, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

== Get A Load of This Beast! ==

Gentlemen, I present to you, Franken-AK!

[http://www.impactguns.com/store/MGC-PW85-000407.html Franken-AK]
:I hate Franken-guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Ugly. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:52, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Looks like someone took the Type 84S from ''[[Hollow Point]]'' and added some wierd-looking muzzle brake and bleached the furniture. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

== AKMSU ==

The AKMSU SMG has been produced by the USSR from 1975 to 1979 ans distributed to special forces and paratroopers, but they were in many cases too hard to handle to be used effectively, so many were scrapped. In 1979 they were replaced by the AKS74U and the remaining guns were shipped to allied countries like Iraq. Very hard to find, hollywood armories usually carry foreign copys (From Zastava) or mock-ups made with parts of AKS74Us. Standard AKMSU has a forward grip and under-folding stock.

Info source please? As far as i know AKMSU was never mass-produced by USSR. It was abandoned because of obvious problems -- too short barrel that resulted in unsatisfactory bullet ballistics and quick overheating.

:The comment above stretched the page quite a bit to the right. I edited to fix that. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

AKMSU 7.62 never produced in the USSR. It is not in any Soviet or Russian book about the Kalashnikov weapons. This weapon is clearly a foreign design [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 09:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

It was a project for special forces, tankers and that sort of thing. It was cancelled I believe, because the authorities in question felt that the shortened barrel would degrade ballistic performance, the shortened gas system would cause heating issues and the light weight would make the recoil uncontrollable. Odd given that they approved the AKSU-74 later, but all points aside, there were Russian 7.62x39mm assault carbines back then. It just never went into production.

I beg to differ, I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a reliable source, but Russian Wikipedia has a page on the SOVIET-produced AKMSU. My Russian is still rudimentary (I'm learning), and I wouldn't trust Google Translate that much, but it pretty much says what the first post here says, except that it was produced in 1959, a whopping 20 years before the 74U! The only reason I'm trusting its existence is because I've seen the gun in the pictures there before. I'm dead certain it's never been featured in any media, but it's worth mentioning here. If anything, that unique pre-AKS-74U flash hider is very interesting. Sources: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%9A%D0%9C%D0%A1%D0%A3 http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000570/570186.jpg [[User:GreveSparf|GreveSparf]] 22:07, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

:The wiki page says it was ''developed'', but never went into production. The book doesn't say anything about production, just details the specs. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 12:14, 15 April 2012 (CDT)

I too have long been curious about the providence of this design and at first thought it was an airsoft industry fantasy. However other sources around the web and it's article on Wikipedia claims either the AKMSU was a prototype weapon designed and tested in the USSR but never produced further (instead later filling the niche with the AKMS-74U) AND/OR a firearm that matches the description of the AMSU is a crude, Pakistan frontier gunsmith invention. Are there any good refrences or sources as to how the concept came about? Also the entry on this page for the small "Krinkov" states other nations like Yugoslavia made their own weapons matching the description. Is this a reference to the Zastava M92? [[User:Maphisto86|Maphisto86]] ([[User talk:Maphisto86|talk]]) 00:28, 18 November 2012 (EST)
== East German AKs==
Should we have a section for the Mpi-KMS or any East German AK variants because I saw them in Hotel Rwanda and The Hurt Locker, I have no more info because I am new to this site
::Yes, but be sure they really are NVA (East German) AKs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

== Zastava M70AB2 ==
I got the picture of the Zastava M70AB2 with standard black pistol grip, should I post it on the main page or keep it here?
[[Image:Zastava M70 AB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Zastava M70AB2 with standard pistol grip - 7.62x39mm]]

I went ahead and added it, and kept the "Mitchell Arms" version on there as well, since it shows a version that'd likely appear in American productions featuring the weapon. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Vltor Modstock? ==
[[Image:Ak47mw.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AK-47 fitted with Tapco Intrafuse and T6 furniture sets and a Vltor Modstock and Stock Adapter.- 7.62x39mm]]

Oh jesus christ. What they have done to that AK ?

It looks more like a typical M4 stock to me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::So what? Vltor Modstock sounds cooler.

:::I don't care what "sounds cooler". It's a regular M4 stock, '''not''' a Vltor Modstock. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Whatever you want to call it the thing looks revolting. Anyone who tries to "tacticool" an AK should be shot in the face by a true AK. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Homicidal much? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

anyone know what kind of muzzle brake/flash hider that is--[[User:Anarchy66660|Anarchy66660]] 21:40, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== AK-101, AK-102, AK-103 etc. ==

Shouldn't all "black AKs" be in the AK-74 page?
They are just AK-74M in different calibres, and they have AK-74M style muzzle brake and plastic side-folding buttstock.

== Draco Pistol ==
Should we make a section for the Romanian Draco Pistol on the AK-47 page or does it get its own article? Please tell me.
:Unless it has been seen in a film then it does not get a mention. If it is a 7.62X39mm AK pistol then yes it goes on this page. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

==Hungarian AK==
Isn't the Hungarian FEG AK-63 considered a gun that is not custom? It was made in Hungary, but the company that made it has gone bankrupt and is defunct now. Shouldn't the AK-63 get it's own section?

==The Cold War==
Although weapons from Warsaw pact nations were banned from importation to the US during the Cold War. Did any criminals tried smuggling them into the US?
:What would be the point? Criminals aren't gun collectors. They only want guns they can buy for criminal purposes. An AK from China shoots just a good as a real AK from Russia. I suppose Individual weapons WERE brought in during the embargo and were found at crime scenes. In California a North Korean Silenced PPS-43 was found at a drug dealer's house but that could have been a 'not amnesty' pre 68 bringback from Nam or Korea.
A Navy SEAL got 80 into the country before he was caught.... http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-05/us/seal.smuggler_1_special-forces-military-transport-weapons?_s=PM:US
Norinco also tried to sell Type 56s to street gangs if I recall correctly
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:31, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

==Villan weapon==
While I understand the reasons for doing so, I still belive these weapons get a bad deal from Hollywood which always casts them as the "Bad Guy's Gun" even though many nations and rebel groups supported by the U.S. have also used Kalashnikovs.

I think it's because in the real world AKs are the most obtainable assault rifle. It stands to reason that most villains in films would have an AK of some sort. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:14, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

Not to mention the 40-some years of films with AK toting commies villains.
Russia donating rifles to anybody calling themselves commie sympathetic freedom fighters didn't help either.
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:28, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

==AK 46, AK 47, AK==
Actualy correct name of the Avtomat Kalashnikova is AK (without 47). AK 46 and AK 47 was esperemental models and serial model is "Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947 year "AK". You also can see it on original NSD (I had photo but now can't find).
Also model called AK now using nowhere, except Africa maybe. This model was quickly changed by AKM, what known in USA as AK 47 7.62х39mm. Only models after AK 74 have numbers in their names.
P.S. Sorry for my terrible english, I whould explain better on esperanto or russian.

== Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater's AMD-65s ==

You forgot to make a video game entree for Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater in the AMD-65 section, the Ocelot Unit uses AMD-65/63 in the game.

== AK-101 and AK-103 ==

Shouldn't they be moved to AK-74 article? They are AK-74M chambered for different rounds.
As far I'm moving AK-101 hence it is practically the same as AK-74 --[[User:RussianTrooper|RussianTrooper]] 19:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, all 5.56x45mm AK variants are on this page along with the original 7.62x39mm. All 5.45x39mm AK variants are on the AK74 page. Do NOT change it. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Franken-AK ==
Stumbled across this monstrosity while surfing the other day. Only thing I can think to say is...WTF??? --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
::That's not an AK, but a SAIGA (with a probably Photoshop Job) mpm

look fake

[[Image:WTF1.JPG]]

:- Well, MPM would know photoshop jobs. :b Lol, that's is the most fucked up shit I've seen in a while. Bah! [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

:::That's only slightly 'shopped. I'll post the original. -protoAuthor 21:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:K178977 k79867 saiga.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original]]

== Question about AK actions ==

I was wondering, when firing an AK-series rifle, does the bolt lock back in the open position after the last round as with [[M16 rifle series|M16-series]] rifles, or does it come back closed again? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:24, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
: Normally, NO! But the Yugoslav models had a modified bolt that when used with a Yugoslav magazine with a modified follower, would lock the bolt open on the last round. BUT, when the magazine was removed, the bolt closed anyway. The bolt would not lock back if another magazine type was used. Sometimes a notch was cut into the selector to hold the bolt back but this only worked when the selector was set to safe after you pulled the bolt back. ''Wraith''

== What AK is this? ==

I'm currently doing some recapping for a big edit of the [[Ultimate Force]] page and came across this gun:
[[File:Vlcsnap-2011-03-30-16h26m46s158.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
As far as I can tell, it has a stamped upper and lower receiver, folding stock, ported gas tube, slanted muzzle and open front sights. I can't find a variant on this page that fits, so is this a franken-gun, or something not listed here? Also ,the gun does actually fire blanks so it isn't an airsoft gun or replica. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:34, 30 March 2011 (CDT)

Looks like a AKMS ([http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/AK-47#AKMS]). You would have to look at receiver markings to get a more detailed description. ''Wraith''

:It's an AKMS, but yeah, it has a ported gas tube and smooth front hand guard (which are features found on the AKS-47). I would say it's an AKMS with AKS-47 parts. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:31, 31 March 2011 (CDT)

::We recently discovered a Hungarian AKM that has the AK47/Type 56 style gas tube. It's a FEG variant that was only exported to Europe and not the U.S> during the 1980s which explains why British armorers have it and American ones do not. Check out ([http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/AK-47#FEG NGM-81]). Note that nearly everyone removed the ugly factory PKM flash hider and replaced it with something more conventional. The underfolder version of this gun was called the NGV-81. :) Since the NGM-81 was built in 5.56mm only, I will investigate further if the Hungarians built any other AKS from this particular lineage, chambered in 7.62x39mm. IF so then we're in business. I will let everyone know if I find something. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:30, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
:::Thanks, did a bit of looking at other FEG variants, and it seems a pretty close match for the under-folding variant of the SA-85. Only difference I can see is the different colour hand-guards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:53, 1 September 2011 (CDT)
:::[[File:FEG SA-85.jpg|thumb|500px|none|FEG SA-85 - 7.62x39mm]]
I know this might be slightly off-topic, but the guy in that shot looks like he's wearing German flecktarn camo used by the Bundeswehr. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:35, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

Could be an AKS47 with an AKM muzzle break (is that what they're called?) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:17, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
: If it was originally an AKS it would have a milled rather than stamped receiver. Also, the front sight is of the AKM type. I agree with MT2008 that it is an AKM with some parts changed. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:00, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

::It certainly looks to have been cannibalised from several; by the looks of things, the gas tube is from a different gun to the lower handguard, for a start (check out how the top and bottom of the handguard aren't anywhere near the same colour or level of wear). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:08, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Too me, it's just a AKMS with some parts (gas tube, lower handguard) from a AK-47. AK parts are mixed and matched a lot. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:28, 17 June 2011 (CDT)
::::I think that statement is incorrect on the AK-47 versus AKM, if that is what you are talking about. not sure what you meant, but different AK-47 parts are interchangeable with other AK-47 guns and different AKM parts are interchangeable with other AKM guns, but the AKM Parts are NOT easily interchangeable with the AK-47. Though it can happen and has, it's a hassle. If you use the AK-47/Type 56 style gas tube with the gas relief holes in it, you CANNOT use the AKM gas block (which has the gas relief holes in it's tube ring). You have to use the solid AK-47/Type 56 style gas block in order for the gun to cycle. Also the gas tube of the AK-47 doesn't fit the AKM (unless a gunsmiths does a lot of modifying). I know, I've tried and without changing, milling, grinding or welding the items, they just don't fit into each other at all. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:01, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Okay, I see. Thank you for the brain nourishment. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

==Question about AK Part==

I was wondering, what's the thin metal tube that runs ''underneath'' the barrel of AK-series rifles called? I know it's not part of the gas system, as that's on top and the weapon still seems to be able to operate without it. Any help figuring this out would be appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:That's the cleaning rod. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:23, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== What do you guys think? ==

Last week, I was watching a Youtube video of a German WWII re-enactor firing an STG-44. I decided to post a comment: "The AK's Grandfather", and got multiple thumbs up (not really important, except for what happened later). What happend was I got some comments some saying things along the lines of:

1. You should have wrote AK's FATHER since there was no inbetween model.

2. Kalashnikov didn't look at the STG at ALL when designing the AK.

And then I got this: "@1Morey The MP44 most know by CoD fags as STG 44 was a good weapon, the problem is that it reached the warfare in 1945 basicly in the end of the war, so it was a failure, and the russians made the Ak years after. The Ak 47 was a failure too, it was just for military and it was on function only 1 year, then they made the Akm 47 wich alot of cod fags confuses it with the Ak 47. Please, seriously, do some research, Sorry for my bad english, p.s: I dont think you know too much about guns." - quoted by Andre232323232332323.

What do you guys think. It really seems to contradict everything I have read about the AK, and as far as I know, there is no such thing as the "AKM-47", I have heard of AK-47 and AKM, but not a AKM-47. I'm guessing this youtuber is whacked. I just want to know what you think. - [[User:1morey]] December 3, 2011 10:28 PM (EST)

Just an idiot who over uses the word "Codfag" and thinks he knows alot about firearms---P226 22:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

: 1) AKM-47 is a crazy fantasy. 2) STG-44 is not a grandfather of AK. For example they has different system of locking bolts, besides STG-44 has a different way disassembly - it folded like a shotgun. Wikipedia says: "The AK-47 is best described as a hybrid of previous rifle technology innovations: the trigger, double locking lugs and unlocking raceway of the M1 Garand/M1 carbine, the safety mechanism of the John Browning designed Remington Model 8 rifle, and the gas system and layout of the Sturmgewehr 44. Kalashnikov's team had access to all of these weapons and had no need to "reinvent the wheel", though he denied that his design was based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle.Kalashnikov himself observed: "A lot of [Soviet Army soldiers] ask me how one can become a constructor, and how new weaponry is designed. These are very difficult questions. Each designer seems to have his own paths, his own successes and failures. But one thing is clear: before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field. I myself have had many experiences confirming this to be so" --[[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 04:39, 24 January 2012 (CST)

== What AK is this? Part2 ==

What model of AK do this?
[[File:Equip armspic16.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
This AK is something that appeared in the [[Ghost Squad]].
[[File:Jpn airsoft AKU.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Tokyo Marui's airsoft "AK47 β-Spetsnaz"]]
I think the Japanese airsoft Perhaps this good?--[[User:KINKI'boy|KINKI'boy]] 14:05, 24 January 2012 (JST)

==Need help on an ID==
I'm finishing ''[[Beyond Borders]]'' right now, and I'm stuck on an ID. The Khmer Rouge in the film have these AKs with milled receivers, but with the hooded front sight. It does fire once in the film. It could've been CGI, but I think I saw an ejecting shell as well. The scene was filmed in Thailand. Any ideas? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:53, 31 January 2012 (CST)
:Does it have a pig sticker bayonet, or the bracket for one, as the original [[Type 56]] had a [http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as49/type56old.jpg milled receiver]. It could still be a Type 56 even without the bayonet, but having it would be pretty definitive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:15, 31 January 2012 (CST)
::Alas, no bayonet, but it looks like it may have the bracket. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:20, 31 January 2012 (CST)
:::Does it have a forward facing "L" shaped bit of metal under the front sight block, as this is the bracket that would remain. Do you have a screenshot? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:32, 31 January 2012 (CST)
[[File:BeyondB_T56_SKS_01.jpg|thumb||none|600px|This shot shows the milled receiver and the hooded front sight.]]
Yeah, they are early Type 56s. The bayonet is removed but bracket is still there. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:43, 31 January 2012 (CST)

They also have hooded front sights, indicative features of the Type 56. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:24, 27 February 2012 (CST)

== change ==

Due to the length, divide it into several pages? All the models official leave (AK-47, AKS-47, AKM, AKMS, AKMSU, AK101, AK-102 AK-103, AK104, AK-108). The rest can be placed on other sites wedłóg their businesses. Zastawa and Norinoco and Bulgarian Arsenal in separate articles. --[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 07:42, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

== Stock Fold ==

I'm trying to make an ID right now, and I have a question: does the AKMSU stock fold only to the left or to the right as well? I've only seen to the left so far, but that would sort of screw left-handed shooters. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:17, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

I would think it only folds to the left, fold right and it interferes with the charging handle
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:23, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

==ID==
I need help with an ID. It's got an SVD-style stock, the rails attach to the side. I can't tell what caliber since it's using a smaller magazine. Stamped receiver, open top front sight, no holes in the hand guard. The scene was filmed in Romania, for what it's worth. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:01, 15 June 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AG_AK_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:AG_AK_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

MAK-90 with a PSL stock?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 13:19, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
:It looks like the MAK-90 has a closed front sight. And it seems odd they'd bring a post-ban AK into a country that has to be overflowing with AKs. Thank you though. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:01, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
::I think I found it. WASR-10 w/Dragunov stock? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:12, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
:::Or rather, the [http://www.ak-47.us/gear/Gear_Review_Detail.php?g=gear1141107738 WUM 1]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:30, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

Note: Running on 2 hours sleep= brain farts hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 18:10, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

==Adding AKS Picture?==
Would this B&W picture of an AKS of second type be allowed to be added to the main page?
[[Image:AKC(1951-54).jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

:Here's a better one: [[File:AKS-47 T3 unfolded.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]Didn't overwrite the B&W one as that is a type 2 AKS-47, the milled receiver lightening cut is horizontal rather than sloped with the bottom edge of the receiver, and there is a ledge on the lower receiver above the stock pivot. Not sure if there are any type 2 AKS-47s in anything or whether they are all type 3s, will have a look through at some point --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

== Bulgarian Arsenal AR Year of Introduction? ==

Does anyone know this, when was the Bulgarian Arsenal AR first produced? If not an exact year is available then perhaps it's decade of introduction? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 16:10, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== AKS caliber mistake. ==

I've changed it from 5.45 which was writen there,to 7.62x39mm,just so you know,people. :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] ([[User talk:Littlesoldier1|talk]]) 08:39, 24 November 2012 (EST)

AK-47

2012-11-24T13:37:19Z

Littlesoldier1: /* AKS-47 */

NOTE: Please keep in mind that while "AK-47" is often a catch-all term for 7.62x39mm Kalashnikov rifles, most so-called "AK-47s" in movies - particularly American movies - are actually either Egyptian Maadi ARM copies of the highly improved [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]], or variants of the Chinese [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]]. Please check carefully to make sure that the rifle in question is a true AK-47 and not an AKM or a Chinese Type 56. When in doubt, it is probably safer to assume AKM or Type 56.

'''The AK-47 is used by the following actors in the following movies:'''
__TOC__ 
=Soviet/Russian Versions=
== AK-47 ==
[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Type I AK-47, hybrid stamped/milled receiver with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AK-47 type II Part DM-ST-89-01131.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Type II AK-47 (note stock mounting bracket) with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AK-47_type_II_Part_DM.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Type II AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak_54.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Type III AK-47 with prototype slab sided magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TypeIII AK47.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Final Production version of the Type III AK-47 with cleaning rod removed and laminated stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Poly Technologies AK-47 - 7.62x39mm. This is the commercial clone of the original Type III AK-47 and is the most used in American films and shows when showing the milled receiver AK-47]]
[[Image:AK47WeWereSoldiersHeroGun.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Authentic AK-47 built from US Receiver. This is an '''Actual Screen used AK-47''' from the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' (built by Cinema Weaponry) - 7.62x39mm]]

It is noteworthy that the U.S. government had a ban on all weapons imported from Warsaw Pact nations during the Cold War years (1947-1989). Communist nations which were not part of the Warsaw pact, such as Yugoslavia and Mainland China, were allowed to negotiate trade agreements with the U.S., thus the influx of Chinese AK type rifles and Yugo AKs (Zastava). The Maadi ARMs (the US version of the MISR) were allowed because Egypt was never a Communist country nor a member of the Warsaw Pact. But, as a result of this, '''virtually no U.S. movie has a real original AK-47 prior to a certain date.''' The exceptions are, custom build ups after the mid 1990s when original AK-47 rifle kits were available (as was done on "We Were Soldiers", using original blueprints and US made milled receivers), and movies filmed overseas where foreign movie armorers had no such restrictions. This is particularly true for films made in Israel and some parts of Europe. This is not the case now, with the current crop of films made outside the U.S., mostly in the newly democratic Eastern European nations (Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Czech Republic, etc.) However, Russia has firmly blocked the export of their old AK-47 surplus guns outside of the country, having distributed most of them to client nations and guerillas throughout the world in the previous five decades. So the AK-47 one 'thinks' one sees may very well be a Poly Technologies Legend series AK (from China) or another AK Variant.

=== Specifications ===
(1947 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62×39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|5.21}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|870}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|416}}

* '''Feed System:''' 10, 20, 30, 40, 75 or 100-round box/drum magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

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{{Gun Title|AK-47}}

===Film===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Red State]] || [[Jennifer Schwalbach Smith]]|| Esther || continuity error || 2011
|-
|''[[X-Men: First Class]] |||| Soviet soldiers|||| 2011
|-
|''[[Elephant White]] || || || several versions in weapons caches || 2010
|-
|''[[Balibo]] || || Indonesian soldiers || || 2009
|-
|''[[Vengeance]] || [[Suet Lam]] || Fat Lok || Polytech Legend model || 2009
|-
| ''[[Ba'al: The Storm God]]'' || || Armed guards || Type III|| 2008
|-
|''[[Rescue Dawn]] || [[Christian Bale]] || Deiter Dengler || || 2007
|-
|''[[Hitman]] |||| African Rebels and Russian Alfa commandos || || 2007
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]] || [[Leonardo DiCaprio]] || Danny Archer || || 2006
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]] || || RUF rebels || || 2006
|-
|''[[Catch a Fire]] || || ANC fighters|| || 2006
|-
| ''[[Battle of Long Tan, The|The Battle of Long Tan]] || || Vietcong || || 2006
|-
|''[[Lord of War]] || [[Nicolas Cage]] || Yuri Orlov || Type III model || 2005
|-
|''[[The Mechanik]] || || thugs || || 2005
|-
|''[[Sahara (2005)]] || || Touraeg fighter || || 2005
|-
|''[[Nemesis 2: Nebula]] || [[Sue Price]]|| Alex Sinclair || || 2005
|-
|''[[Breaking News]] || || Criminals || Possibly Polytech Legend model|| 2004
|-
|''[[Tears of the Sun]] || || Cameroonian border guard || || 2003
|-
|''[[K-19: The Widowmaker]] || || Soviet sailors || || 2002
|-
|'' [[We Were Soldiers]] |||| Viet Cong and NVA soldiers ||Built by armorer [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0660143/ Mike Papac]|| 2002
|-
|''[[Sniper 2]] || || || || 2002
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines]] |||| Serbian soldier || || 2001
|-
|''[[Armstrong]] || || Russian Soldiers || || 1998
|-
|''[[Godzilla (1998)]] || || Ukrainian Soldiers || || 1998
|-
|''[[Crime Story (1993)]] || || Robber || || 1993
|-
|''[[For Sacha (Pour Sacha)]] || || Arab soldiers || || 1991
|-
|''[[A Better Tomorrow III]] || || Viet Cong fighters || || 1990
|-
|''[[Beast of War, The|The Beast of War]] |||| Afghan Mujaheddin || || 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]] || || Afghan Mujaheddin || || 1988
|-
|''[[Iron Eagle II]] |||| Enemy Soldiers|| || 1988
|-
|''[[Fatal Beauty]] || || Criminal Henchmen || || 1987
|-
|''[[Death Before Dishonor]] || [[Brian Keith]] || Colonel Halloran || || 1987
|-
|''[[Living Daylights, The|The Living Daylights]] || [[Art Malik]] || Kamran Shah || || 1987
|-
|''[[Iron Eagle]] |||| Enemy Soldiers || || 1986
|-
|''[[The Delta Force]] |||| Terrorists || || 1985
|-
|''[[Rocky IV]] |||| Soviet Soldiers || || 1985
|-
|''[[Octopussy]] |||| East German border guards and Soviet Soldiers || || 1983
|-
|'' [[Year of Living Dangerously, The|The Year of Living Dangerously]] |||| Indonesian officer |||| 1982
|-
|''[[Apocalypse Now]] |||| Viet Cong fighters and Kurtz's men|| || 1979
|-
|''[[The Odd Angry Shot]] |||| Viet Cong fighters || || 1979
|-
|''[[Fury, The|The Fury]] |||| Terrorists || || 1978
|-
|''[[Fury, The|The Fury]] || [[Kirk Douglas]] || Pete Sandza || || 1978
|-
|''[[At War as at War (Na Voyne kak na Voyne)]] || || German soldiers || Probably represented as [[Sturmgewehr 44]]s|| 1968
|-
| ''[[Adventures of Werner Holt (Die Abenteuer des Werner Holt), The|The Adventures of Werner Holt (Die Abenteuer des Werner Holt)]]'' || || Soviet soldiers || || 1965
|-
|''[[Escape from East Berlin]] |||| East German (NVA) border guards || || 1962
|-
|''[[Maksim Perepelitsa]] || || Soviet Soldiers || || 1955
|-
|}

=== Television ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Dempsey and Makepeace]]''||[[Francisco Morales]] ||Cortez||"The Cortez Connection" (S03E08) ||1985
|-
|''[[State Border: Film 8, The]]|||| Russian Border guards ||Some modified to resemble [[AK-74#AK-74|AK-74]] || 1988
|-
|''[[Citizen X]] |||| Red Army soldiers || || 1995
|-
| rowspan="2"|''[[Ultimate Force]] ||[[Sean Gilder]] || Mick Sweeney || rowspan="2"|Replica, switches to [[Zastava M70]] for firing scenes || rowspan="2"|2002 - 2006
|-
| [[Damian O'Hare]] || Sean Weir
|-
|''[[Guns]]|| [[Shawn Doyle]] || Det. Merriweather |||| 2008
|-
|''[[Charlie's Angels (2011)|Charlie's Angels]]|| || || on photo || 2011
|-
|}

=== Anime ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[New Dominion Tank Police]]'' || Tank Police Squad and criminals || || 1993
|-
| ''[[Gunsmith Cats]]'' || || Seen in gun store || 1995-1996
|-
| ''[[Trigun]]'' || Descarte's henchman || Futurisic version of AKMS || 1996-1997
|-
| ''[[Noir]]'' || Islamic revolutionaries & USSR soldiers || Seen in flashback || 2001
|-
| ''[[Black Lagoon]]'' || Balalaika's men and other factions || || 2006
|-
| ''[[When They Cry]]'' || Shion || || 2006-2009
|-
| ''[[Batman: Gotham Knight]]'' || || Seen in flashback || 2008
|-
| ''[[Rideback]]'' || BMA terrorist || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Eden of the East]]'' || || Seen in Takizawa's closet || 2009
|-
| ''[[Asobi ni Ikuyo: Bombshells from the Sky]]'' || Terrorists || || 2010
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[Fallout Tactics]] |||| ||fires 7.62x51mm rounds || 2001
|-
|[[50 Cent: Bulletproof]]||||||||2005
|-
|[[Army Of Two]]||||Available w/ Beta-C magazine||||2008
|-
|[[Black]]||||||||2006
|-
|[[Grand Theft Auto 3]]||||||||2001
|-
|[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]||Assault Rifle||||||2008
|-
|[[Soldier of Fortune: Payback]]||||w/ variety of accessories||||2007
|-
|[[Operation Flashpoint]]||||Available with [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-30|GP-30 grenade launcher]]||||2001
|-
|[[24: The Game]]||AZ7 Soviet||||||2006
|-
|[[Blacksite: Area 51]]||||||Non-player weapon||2007
|-
|[[Scarface: The World is Yours]]||||Can be upgraded with a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870]] shotgun attachment||||2007
|-
|[[Kill.Switch]]||||||||2004
|-
|[[Counter Strike: Source]]||CV-47||||||2004
|-
|[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]||||||||2007
|-
|[[Shellshock Nam '67]] ||||||||2004
|-
|[[Conflict: Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad]]||||||||2003
|-
|[[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Combined Assault]]||||||||2006
|-
|[[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Confrontation]]||||w/ variety of accessories||||2008
|-
|[[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories]]||||||||2006
|-
|[[No One Lives Forever 2 : A Spy In HARM's Way]]||||||||2002
|-
|[[Contract J.A.C.K.]]||||||||2002
|-
|[[Metal Gear Solid:Portable Ops]]||||||||2006
|-
| [[Alliance of Valiant Arms]] || || || || 2007
|-
|[[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]]||||w/ variety of accessories||||2008
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]] ||AK47 || || || 2007
|-
|[[Rainbow Six: Vegas]]||||With optional ACOG, red dot sight, laser pointer, and silencer||Inaccurately modeled with AK-74 magazine||2006
|-
|[[Insurgency]]||||||||2007
|-
|[[Counter-Strike Online]]||CV-47||w/ long magazine mode in Zombie 2 mode, Zombie 3 mode and Zombie Unite Mode CV-47 Dragon||||2007
|-
|[[Battlefield 2]]||||Available w/[[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-25|GP-25 grenade launcher]]||||2005
|-
|[[Red Alert: A Path Beyond]]||||||||2007
|-
|[[America's Army]]||||w/ Type 56 bayonet lug||||2002
|-
|[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]||||||||2004
|-
| [[Söldner: Secret Wars]] || || |||| 2004
|-
|[[Silent Storm: Sentinels]]||||||||2003
|-
|[[Far Cry 2]]||||||||2008
|-
|[[Modern Warfare 2]]||||w/ AR-15 buttstock; able to attach GP25 grenade launcher, Masterkey underbarrel shotgun, suppressor, red dot sight, EOtech holographic sight, Trijicon ACOG, thermal sight and/or extended magazine||||2009
|-
|[[Combat Arms]]||||||||2008
|-
|[[Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction]]||Assault Rifle||||||2005
|-
| [[Vietcong 2]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Cold Fear]] || AK-47 / AK || ||Type III|| 2005
|-
|[[Perfect Dark]]||KF-7 special||||||2000
|-
|[[Mercenaries 2: World In Flames]]||Assault Rifle||||||2008
|-
|[[Saints Row]]||K6 Krukov||||||2006
|-
| [[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter]] ||||Type I ||w/ 75-round drum (X360 only) || 2006
|-
|[[Zombie Panic Source]]||||||||2007
|-
|[[Saints Row 2]]||K6 Krukov||||||2008
|-
|[[Goldeneye 007]]||KF-7 soviet||||||1997
|-
|[[Project Reality]]||||With optional GP-25 grenade launcher and bayonet||||2005
|-
|[[Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War]]||||||Seen in cutscenes with cloth-wrapped handguard, non-playable||2006
|-
|[[Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow]]||AK-47 (7.62mm)||none||none||2004
|-
|[[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]]||||||Cannot be used by player||2007
|-
| [[Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3]] || || || || 2008
|-
|[[X-Men Origins: Wolverine (VG)|X-Men Origins: Wolverine]]||||w/ wooden fore-grip||unusable||2009
|-
|[[Rogue Warrior]]||||||||2009
|-
|[[GoldenEye 007 (2010)|Goldeneye 007]]||||w/ optional Kobra red dot sight||||2010
|-
|[[Singularity]]||||||used by Soviet guards in 1955||2010
|-
|[[Splinter Cell: Conviction]]||||w/ various upgrades||||2010
|-
|[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2|Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam]]||||||||2010
|-
| [[Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light]] || AR-06 || || || 2010
|-
| [[Army of Two: The 40th Day]] || AK-47 || Can be fitted with a variety of stocks, barrels, magazines, scopes, suppressors/muzzle brakes || || 2010
|-
| [[Battlefield Play4Free]] || || || || 2011
|-
| [[Shadow Harvest: Phantom Ops]] ||AK-101|| Type I w/ railed top cover|| fires 5.56mm rounds|| 2011
|-
| [[Uncharted 3]] || || || || 2011
|-
| [[Karma Online]] || || || || 2011
|-
| [[NCIS: The Video Game]] |||| || trailer only|| 2011
|-
| [[Project Reality: Vietnam]] || || With optional bayonet || || 2012
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]] ||AK 47|| || fires 5.45x39mm rounds|| 2012
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]] ||AKM||w/ side-folding skeleton stock, polymer handguard, and custom pistol grip || || 2012
|-
| [[Max Payne 3]] ||AK 47|| || || 2012
|-
| [[Splinter Cell: Blacklist]] || || || || 2013
|-
|}

=== Animation ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Boondocks, The]]'' || Mrs. Van Heusen || . || 2005-
|-
|}

== AKS-47 ==
[[Image:Aks47e.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Type I AKS-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKS-47.jpg|thumb|right|290px|Type III AKS-47 with stock folded - 7.62x39mm]]

Basically the same as the AK-47, but the rear-trunion is altered with a swiveling mechanism to allow for the under-folding stock.
=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|2.97}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|940}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|700}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box mag

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AKS-47}}

=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Hans Kloss. Stawka wieksza niz smierc]] |||| East German soldiers |||| 2012
|-
|''[[Nokas]] || [[Tov Sletta]] || David Toska|| With [[AKM]] style muzzle brake|| 2010
|-
|''[[Elephant White]] || [[Kevin Bacon]] || Jimmy || modified with picatinny rails and composite grips|| 2010
|-
|''[[Mesrine: Public Enemy Number 1]] || [[Vincent Cassel]] || Mesrine|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Gomorrah]] || [[Ciro Petrone]] || Ciro|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]] |||| Navy SEALs|| Modified with [[AK-74]] style muzzle brake, gas block and bayonet lug|| 2006
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]] |||| North Korean soldiers|| Modified with [[AK-74]] style muzzle brake, gas block and bayonet lug|| 2006
|-
|''[[The Mechanik]] || [[Dolph Lundgren]] || Nick Cherenko || shortened || 2005
|-
|''[[The Mechanik]] || || various thugs || shortened || 2005
|-
|'' [[Breaking News]] |||| Criminal gang||Poly Tech AKS-47 side-folder copy|| 2004
|-
|''[[Lakshya]] |||| Indian Army soldiers|| || 2004
|-
|''[[Bumer]] || || Militsioners || || 2003
|-
|''[[The Italian Job (2003)|The Italian Job]] || [[Edward Norton]]|| Steve || || 2003
|-
|''[[No Man's Land]] || [[Branko Duric]]|| Ciki || w/ two magazines taped together|| 2001
|-
|''[[No Man's Land]] || [[Mustafa Nadarevic]] || Old Serbian soldier || Fitted with orange bakelite magazine|| 2001
|-
|''[[Avalon]] |||| Players/Characters || || 2001
|-
|''[[Darkman II: The Return of Durant]] |||| Gangbangers || w/ AKM-style muzzle brakes|| 1995
|-
|''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]] |||| Iraqi soldiers|| || 1993
|-
|''[[Navy SEALs]] |||| Navy SEALs || || 1990
|-
|''[[Navy SEALs]] |||| Lebanese terrorists|| || 1990
|-
|''[[Toy Soldiers]] |||| Colombian terrorists|| || 1990
|-
|''[[Beast of War, The|The Beast of War]] || [[Jason Patric]] || Konstantin Koverchenko || || 1988
|-
|''[[Beast of War, The|The Beast of War]] || [[Stephen Baldwin]] || Golikov || || 1988
|-
|''[[Beast of War, The|The Beast of War]] || [[Don Harvey]] || Kaminski || || 1988
|-
|''[[Beast of War, The|The Beast of War]] |||| Soviet tank crew members || || 1988
|-
|'' [[Iron Eagle II]] |||| Enemy soldiers|||| 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]] |||| Soviet soldiers|| || 1988
|-
|''[[Bad Taste]] |||| Aliens|| || 1987
|-
|''[[Ishtar]] || [[Warren Beatty]] || Lyle Rogers || || 1987
|-
|''[[Ishtar]] || || Various characters || || 1987
|-
|''[[Iron Eagle]] ||||Enemy soldiers|| || 1986
|-
|''[[Solo Voyage]] ||||Soviet Marines|| || 1985
|-
|''[[Lark (Zhavoronok), The|The Lark (Zhavoronok)]] || Valentins Skulme||Frenchman|| || 1964
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Stawka wieksza niz zycie]]''|| || Polish soldiers and paratroopers || as a substitution for [[Sturmgewehr 44]] ||1966-68
|-
|''[[Czterej pancerni i pies]]''|| || German and Polish soldiers || as a substitution for [[Sturmgewehr 44]] ||1966-70
|-
|''[[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]]'' || [[Adam Cantor]] || Rocko || || 2007
|-
|''[[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]]'' || [[Frank Grillo]] || Albert "Mr. Pig" Roman || || 2007
|-
|''[[24: Redemption]]'' || [[Keifer Sutherland]] || Jack Bauer || || 2008
|-
|''[[Brigada]]'' || || Tajik mafia || || 2002
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[007: The World Is Not Enough]]||Soviet KA-57||||||2000
|-
|''[[Timesplitters 2]]||Soviet SV7||w/ an [[M203 grenade launcher]]||||2002
|-
|''[[Conflict: Vietnam]]||AK-47||||||2004
|-
|''[[Project Reality]]||||With optional bayonet||||2005
|-
|}
 

== AKM ==
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:MaadiARM.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Maadi ARM - most of the AKMs seen in movies during the 1980s were imported ARMs that were legally converted to full auto fire. This image is of an actual movie gun. The laminated buttstock was replaced with a hardwood one when the original stock was broken during a stunt. This example is also loaded with a 30-round bakelite plastic magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

The improved version of the AK-47, featuring a number of refinements such as a stamped receiver (as opposed to the milled receiver of the original AK-47), a slant compensator on the tip of the barrel (to reduce recoil), an improved gas tube (without vents), and use of lighter materials to reduce weight and simplify construction.

Most of the AKMs seen in Hollywood movies are actually Egyptian Maadi MISR copies, which were sold in the U.S. as the ARM in the 1980s - such weapons were first procured by Stembridge Gun Rentals for ''[[Red Dawn]]'' and subsequently re-used in numerous other motion pictures. The Maadi is almost identical to the original Soviet-built AKM, save for the markings, and is nearly impossible to tell apart.
=== Specifications ===
(1959 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.6}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|880}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 10, 20, 30, 40 round box magazines, 75-round drum magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

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{{Gun Title|AKM}}
=== Film ===

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|-
|''[[Resident Evil: Damnation]]''|| ||Russian Soldiers || ||2012
|-
|''[[August. Eighth]]'' || || Russian and Georgian soldiers and Russian scouts ||With and without [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-25|GP-25]] grenade launchers || 2012
|-
|''[[Home (Dom)]]'' ||[[Kirill Poluhin]] || Starshiy || || 2011
|-
|''[[Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol]]'' || || Assassins || Customized with quad rail systems and foregrips|| 2011
|-
| ''[[Assassination Games]]'' || || Bucharest police || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Assassination Games]]'' || || henchmen || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Assassination Games]]'' || [[Scott Adkins]] || Roland Flint || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Assassination Games]]'' || [[Jean-Claude Van Damme]] || Vincent Brazil || || 2011
|-
|''[[The Debt]]'' |||| East German border guards || || 2011
|-
|''[[Memorial Day]]'' |||| Iraqi Insurgents || || 2011
|-
|''[[Memorial Day]]'' |||| Iraqi Security Forces || || 2011
|-
|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'' || || Iranian soldiers || || 2011
|-
|''[[Kandahar]]'' |||| Taliban fighters || || 2010
|-
|''[[The Losers]]'' |||| Cartel gunmen || || 2010
|-
|''[[Machete]]'' || ||Rebels || With transparent magazines|| 2010
|-
|''[[The Expendables]]'' |||| Somali pirates and General Zayas' soldiers || || 2010
|-
|'' [[Hooked 2. Next Level (Na Igre 2. Novyy Uroven)]]'' || || Contrabandists ||Also can be seen in the Counter Strike style game footage|| 2010
|-
|'' [[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]]'' || || African soldiers |||| 2009
|-
|'' [[Hooked (Na Igre)]]'' || || ||can be seen in the Counter Strike style game footage|| 2009
|-
|'' [[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]]'' || || Burmese Junta soldiers |||| 2008
|-
|''[[An American Carol]]'' |||| Taliban || || 2008
|-
|''[[An American Carol]]'' || || Cuban Soldiers || || 2008
|-
|''[[An American Carol]]'' ||[[Thomas Rosales Jr.]] || Cuban Soldier |||| 2008
|-
|''[[The Hurt Locker]]'' |||| Iraqi insurgents|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Body of Lies]]'' || || Terrorists || || 2008
|-
| [[Pineapple Express]] ||[[Seth Rogen]] || Dale || || 2008
|-
|[[Shake Hands with the Devil (2007)|Shake Hands with the Devil]] || || Rwandan soldiers || || 2007
|-
|[[The Kingdom]] || || Saudi terrorists || || 2007
|-
|''[[Transformers]]'' || || Qatari village militiaman || || 2007
|-
|''[[Redacted]]'' |||| Iraqi insurgents || || 2006
|-
|''[[Children of Men]]'' |||| Refugees || || 2006
|-
|''[[Catch a Fire]]'' || || ANC guerrillas || || 2006
|-
| '' [[Lord of War]]'' ||[[Nicolas Cage]] || Yuri Orlov |||| 2005
|-
| ''[[Hotel Rwanda]]'' || || Rwandan National Army soldiers || || 2004
|-
|''[[Bad Boys II]]'' ||[[Reynaldo A. Gallegos]] || Tito Vargas || || 2003
|-
|''[[Bad Boys II]]'' |||| Cuban soldiers || || 2003
|-
|''[[S.W.A.T. (2003)|S.W.A.T.]]''|||| Bank robbers || drum magazines || 2003
|-
|''[[S.W.A.T. (2003)|S.W.A.T.]]''|||| gang members || || 2003
|-
| ''[[Tears of the Sun]]'' |||| Nigerian rebels |||| 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' |||| Lycans || || 2003
|-
|''[[War (Voyna)]]'' || Ruslan || ||with two magazines taped "jungle-style"|| 2002
|-
|''[[Die Another Day]]'' || || Cuban guards || || 2002
|-
|''[[Collateral Damage]]'' || [[Jsu Garcia]] || Roman || || 2002
|-
| ''[[Behind Enemy Lines]]'' ||[[Owen Wilson]] || LT Chris Burnett || || 2001
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines]]'' |||| Serbian soldiers || || 2001
|-
|''[[Equilibrium]]'' || || Resistance member || || 2001
|-
| ''[[XXX|xXx]]'' ||[[Martin Hub]] || Ivan Podrov || w/ [[AK-74]] muzzle brake and [[M203]] grenade launcher || 2001
|-
|''[[XXX|xXx]]'' |||| Colombian cartel soldiers || || 2001
|-
|''[[Militia]]'' || || ATF agents and militiamen || || 2000
|-
|''[[Joint Security Area]]'' || || NKPA soldiers || || 2000
|-
|''[[Analyze This]]'' || || Hitmen || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Virus]]'' |||||| || 1999
|-
|''[[Three Kings]]'' || || Iraqi soldiers and Shiite refugees || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]'' ||[[Mel Gibson]] || Det. Martin Riggs || || 1998
|-
|''[[The Replacement Killers]]'' || || Thug || || 1998
|-
|''[[The Siege]]'' |||| Terrorists || || 1998
|-
|''[[Air Force One]]'' || || Russian prison guards || || 1997
|-
| ''[[The Postman]]'' || || Holnist soldiers |||| 1997
|-
|''[[Escape from L.A.]]'' || || Gang members || || 1996
|-
|''[[Eraser]]'' || || Russian mobsters || || 1996
|-
|''[[Normal Life]]'' || || FBI agent || || 1996
|-
|''[[Clear and Present Danger]]'' |||| Escobedo's men || || 1994
|-
|''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]]'' || || Iraqi soldiers || || 1994
|-
| ''[[True Lies]]'' ||[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || Harry Tasker |||| 1994
|-
| ''[[True Lies]]'' || || Crimson Jihad terrorists |||| 1994
|-
| ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' || || Johnny Wong's thugs |||| 1992
|-
|''[[Patriot Games]]'' || || IRA terrorists || || 1992
|-
|''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' || || || || 1992
|-
|''[[Delta Force 2]]'' || ||Ramon Cota's men || || 1990
|-
| ''[[Rambo III]]'' ||[[Sylvester Stallone]]|| John Rambo || w/ [[M203]] grenade launcher and [[Galil]] stock|| 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]]'' || [[Richard Crenna]] || Col. Trautman || || 1988
|-
| ''[[Rambo III]]'' ||[[Randy Raney]] || Sgt. Kourov || w/ [[M203]] grenade launcher and [[Galil]] stock|| 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]]'' || || Mujaheddin and Russian soldiers |||| 1988
|-
|''[[Bulletproof (1988)|Bulletproof]]''|| [[Gary Busey]] || Frank McBain || ||1988
|-
|''[[Bulletproof (1988)|Bulletproof]]''|| [[Darlanne Fluegel]] || Captain Devon Shepard || ||1988
|-
|''[[Bulletproof (1988)|Bulletproof]]''|| [[Ramón Franco]] || Camilo || ||1988
|-
|''[[Bulletproof (1988)|Bulletproof]]''|| [[L.Q. Jones]] || CSM O'Rourke || ||1988
|-
|''[[Bulletproof (1988)|Bulletproof]]''|| || henchmen || ||1988
|-
| ''[[Extreme Prejudice]]'' ||[[Matt Mulhern]] || SSgt. Declan Patrick Coker |||| 1987
|-
|''[[Extreme Prejudice]]'' || || Mexican cartel gunmen || || 1987
|-
|''[[Dragnet (1987)|Dragnet]]''|| || P.A.G.A.N henchmen |||| 1987
|-
|''[[Predator]]'' || || Guerrillas || || 1987
|-
| ''[[Robocop]]'' || || Sal's men |||| 1987
|-
| ''[[Heartbreak Ridge]]'' ||[[Clint Eastwood]] || GySGT Tom Highway |||| 1986
|-
|''[[Heartbreak Ridge]]'' || || Cuban soldiers || || 1986
|-
| ''[[The Park is Mine]]'' ||[[Tommy Lee Jones]] || Mitch Garnett || w/ two magazines "jungle taped"|| 1986
|-
| ''[[Back to the Future]]'' ||[[Richard L. Duran]] || Libyan terrorist in Van |||| 1985
|-
|''[[Commando]]'' |||| Arius' soldiers || || 1985
|-
|''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II ]]'' || || NVA Soldiers and Russian Spetnaz Commandos || || 1984
|-
|''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II ]]'' ||[[Julia Nickson-Soul]] || Co Bao |||| 1984
|-
|''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II ]]'' ||[[George Cheung]] || Capt. Tay || || 1984
|-
|''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II ]]'' ||[[Sylvester Stallone]] || John Rambo || || 1984
|-
|''[[Red Dawn]]'' || || Soviet soldiers |||| 1984
|-
|''[[Red Dawn]]'' ||[[Jennifer Grey]] || Toni Mason |||| 1984
|-
|''[[Red Dawn]]'' ||[[C. Thomas Howell]] || Robert Teasdale |||| 1984
|-
|''[[Red Dawn]]'' ||[[Charlie Sheen]] || Matt Eckert || || 1984
|-
|''[[Red Dawn]]'' ||[[Patrick Swayze]] || Jed Eckert || || 1984
|-
|''[[Parade of the Planets (Parad planet)]]'' || [[Sergey Nikonenko]] || Afonin || || 1984
|-
|''[[Parade of the Planets (Parad planet)]]'' || [[Sergey Shakurov]] || Sultan || || 1984
|-
|''[[Parade of the Planets (Parad planet)]]'' || [[Aleksandr Pashutin]] || Spirkin || || 1984
|-
|''[[Parade of the Planets (Parad planet)]]'' || [[Pyotr Zaychenko]] || Pukhov || || 1984
|-
|''[[Parade of the Planets (Parad planet)]]'' || [[Aleksei Zharkov]] || Slonov || || 1984
|-
|''[[Grach Brothers (Grachi), The|The Grach Brothers (Grachi)]]'' || [[Vitali Shapovalov]] || Leonid Osadchiy || || 1982
|-
|''[[In the Zone of Special Attention (V zone osobogo vnimaniya)]]'' || || Soviet Army soldiers || || 1977
|}

=== Television ===

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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Jon Benjamin Has a Van]]'' || || Guatemalan troops || "Border" (S01E01) || 2011
|-
|''[[Falling Skies]]'' ||[[Noah Wyle]] || Tom Mason || || 2011
|-
|''[[Charlie's Angels (2011)|Charlie's Angels]]'' || [[Rachael Taylor]] || Abby || || 2011
|-
|''[[Charlie's Angels (2011)|Charlie's Angels]]'' || || Guards || || 2011
|-
|'' [[24]]'' || || Henchmen || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|'' [[24 - Season 5|24]]'' || || Terrorists || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]''|| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || CSM Jonas Blane || "Johnny B. Good", With Surefire Universal Weaponlight and silencer || 2006 - 2009
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || [[Max Martini]] || MSgt. Mack Gerhardt || "Johnny B. Good", With Surefire Universal weaponlight and silencer || 2006 - 2009
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || [[Scott Foley]] || Sgt. Bob Brown || "Johnny B. Good", With Surefire Universal weaponlight and silencer || 2006 - 2009
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || [[Michael Irby]] || Sgt. Charles Grey || "Johnny B. Good", With Surefire Universal weaponlight and silencer || 2006 - 2009
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || [[Michael Irby]] || Sgt. Charles Grey || "Two Coins" || 2006 - 2009
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || || Soldiers || || 2006 - 2009
|-
|'' [[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' || || Terrorists || || 2006 - 2009
|-
|'' [[My Name is Earl]]'' || || various characters|| in various episodes || 2005 - 2009
|-
|'' [[Archangel]]'' || [[Igor Filipov]] || Major Kretov || || 2005
|-
|'' [[Archangel]]'' || || Russian troops || || 2005
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 2|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Ross Kemp]] || SSgt. Henry "Henno" Garvie|| "Dead is Forever" || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 2|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Conor Mullen]] || Omega || "What in the Name of God", With telescopic sight || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 2|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Luke De Woolfson]] || Michael || "What in the Name of God", With telescopic sight || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 3|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Louis Decosta Johnson]] || Cpl. Dave Woolston || "Never Go Back" || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 3|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Saskia Butler]] || Luanne Du Preez || "Never Go Back" || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force - Season 3|Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Con O'Neil]] || Lavelle || "Weapons of Choice" || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || || Various criminals and terrorists || With and without telescopic sights || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Purgatory (Chistilishche)]]'' || || various characters|| With GP-25 grenade launchers || 1998
|-
|''[[X Files, The|The X-Files]]'' || || Soldiers || "The Sixth Extinction" || 1993 - 2002
|-
|''[[A-Team, The|The A-Team]]'' || [[George Peppard]] || Col. John "Hannibal" Smith || || 1983 - 1987
|-
|''[[A-Team, The|The A-Team]]'' || || NVA soldiers || "The Sound of Thunder" || 1983 - 1987
|-
|''[[CSI: NY]]'' || || Terrorists || "Snow Day" || 2004 -
|-
|''[[Criminal Minds]]'' || || Cultists || "Minimal Loss" || 2005 -
|-
|''[[Tour of Duty]]'' || [[Steven Caffrey]] || Lt. Myron Goldman || || 1987 - 1989
|-
|''[[State Border: Film 6, The]]'' || || Russian and Polish Border guards || Can be seen in documentary footage || 1987
|-
|}

===Anime===
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Spriggan]]|| Turkish soldier |||| 1994
|-
|''[[Full Metal Panic!]] || || || 2002
|-
|''[[Flag]]|| Militia fighters |||| 2006
|-
|''[[Canaan]] || Canaan || || 2009
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Ghost Recon]] || AK47 ||without muzzle break || || 2001
|-
|''[[Combat Arms]]||AK-47||||||2004
|-
|''[[Half-Life 2]]||AR-1||||Cut Weapon||2004
|-
|''[[Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory]]||||||not usable||2005
|-
|''[[Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops]]||||||||2006
|-
|''[[Counter-Strike Online]]||AKM||||With Metal and Gold finishes||2007
|-
|''[[Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2]]||||||||2007
|-
|''[[Uncharted: Drake's Fortune]]||||||||2007
|-
|''[[7.62 High Calibre]] || AKM|| ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|''[[Mercenaries 2: World in Flames]]||||||||2008
|-
|''[[ArmA II]]||||||||2009
|-
|''[[Left 4 Dead 2]]||AK-47||w/ flashlight by zip ties and optional laser sight||w/ 40-round Tapco polymer magazine||2009
|-
|''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]] || AK-47 ||w/ various attachments ||w/o slant muzzle brake || 2010
|-
|''[[Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days]]|| Kaliningrad 47 ||The metal parts are a pink-ish purple, while the wood is lighter, almost faded.||||2010
|-
|''[[NCIS: The Video Game]] |||| || seen on posters|| 2011
|-
|''[[War Inc. Battlezone]] || AKM|| w/ various attachments || || 2011
|-
|''[[Counter-Strike: Global Offensive]] ||AK-47 || || || 2012
|-
| ''[[Splinter Cell: Blacklist]]'' || AK-47 || synthetic furniture, RIS handguard|| || 2013
|-
|}

== AKMS ==
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AKMSPistol.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Custom AKMS with shortened barrel, as seen in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'', ''[[Pineapple Express]]'', ''[[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]]'', and ''[[Taken]]'' - 7.62x39mm]]
Basically the same as the AKM, but the rear-trunion is altered with a swiveling mechanism to allow for the under-folding stock. The AKMS nomenclature also indicates that the rifle is not a milled receiver variant and has the AKM style of gas block, top cover, barrel assembly, front sight, and appropriate forearm furniture.
=== Specifications ===
(1959 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.8}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|880}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|655}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 10, 20, 30, 40 round box magazines, 75-round drum magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

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{{Gun Title|AKM}}
=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Resident Evil: Damnation]]''|| ||Sasha || ||2012
|-
|''[[Bablo]] || || Ukrainian Berkut officers || || 2011
|-
|''[[Home (Dom)]] || Konstantin Adaev|| Tocka || with AK-74 style muzzle brake and POSP 4x24B sniper scope|| 2011
|-
|''[[Tomorrow, When the War Began]] |||| Australian resistance || || 2010
|-
|''[[Alien Girl, The|The Alien Girl]]'' || || Hitmen || || 2010
|-
|''[[The Town]] || [[Jeremy Renner]] ||James 'Jem' Coughlin|| w/ shortened barrel || 2010
|-
|''[[The Expendables]] || ||General Zaya's soldiers|| Normal and shortened barrel models || 2010
|-
|''[[Lebanon]] ||||Palestinian Terrorists|| Normal and shortened barrel models || 2009
|-
|''[[The Hurt Locker]] ||[[Ralph Fiennes]]||Private Military Contractor Leader|| Customized with RIS foregrip|| 2009
|-
|''[[The Hurt Locker]] ||||British Private Military Contractors|| Customized with RIS foregrips and C-More sights|| 2009
|-
|''[[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]] ||||African soldiers|| || 2009
|-
|''[[Crank: High Voltage]] ||||Thugs|| || 2009
|-
|''[[Taken]] ||||Human trafficker|| w/ shortened barrel|| 2009
|-
|''[[Ghost (Domovoy), The|The Ghost (Domovoy)]] || ||Russian OMON officers|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Pineapple Express]] || [[James Franco]]||Saul|| w/ shortened barrel || 2008
|-
|''[[Largo Winch (2008)|Largo Winch]]''|| || Brazilian Police || ||2008
|-
|''[[Rambo (2008)]] ||[[Supakorn Kitsuwon]]||Myint|| w/ shortened barrel || 2008
|-
|''[[Rambo (2008)]] ||[[Tim Kang]]||En-Joo|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Rambo (2008)]] ||||Burmese Junta soldiers|| Hungarian SA-85M variant|| 2008
|-
|''[[Tropic Thunder]] ||||Flaming Dragon guerrillas|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Get Smart]] ||||Guards|| || 2008
|-
|''[[The Spirit]] ||[[Louis Lombardi]]||Phobos|| || 2008
|-
|''[[War, Inc.]] ||||Tamerlane Private Military Contractors|| || 2008
|-
|''[[Zone Of The Dead]] |||| Security Guard || || 2008
|-
|''[[We Own the Night]] ||[[Alex Veadov]]||Vadim Nezhinski|| || 2007
|-
|'' [[The Kingdom]] ||[[Jamie Foxx]]||FBI Special Agent Ronald Fleury||w/ RIS and foregrip|| 2007
|-
|''[[The Kingdom]] ||||Saudi terrorists|| w/ RIS and foregrip|| 2007
|-
|''[[Breach]] || || || Seen in the trunk of Robert Hanssen's ([[Chris Cooper]]) car|| 2007
|-
|''[[Waist Deep]] ||||thugs|| || 2006
|-
|''[[Lord of War]] ||||Russian hitmen|| || 2005
|-
|''[[Hotel Rwanda]] ||||Rwandan National Army soldiers|| || 2004
|-
|''[[S.W.A.T.]] ||||Bank robber|| || 2003
|-
|''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] ||[[Claire Danes]]||Katherine Brewster|| w/ shortened barrel and dual-mag clamp|| 2003
|-
|''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]] ||[[Nick Stahl]]||John Connor|| w/ shortened barrel and dual-mag clamp|| 2003
|-
|''[[Bumer]] |||| Militsioners || || 2003
|-
|''[[Hulk]] ||||South American guerrilla|| || 2002
|-
|''[[Die Another Day]] ||||Isla Los Organos clinic guards|| || 2002
|-
|''[[Equilibrium]] ||||Resistance fighters|| || 2002
|-
|''[[War (Voyna)]] || [[Aleksey Chadov]] ||Ivan Ermakov|| || 2002
|-
|''[[War (Voyna)]] || ||Chechen rebel|| || 2002
|-
|''[[Rifleman of the Voroshilov Regiment, The]] ||[[Sergey Garmash]] ||Militia (police) captain Koshaev|| || 1999
|-
|''[[Air Force One]] ||||General Radek's men|| w/ shortened barrels and custom folding stocks|| 1997
|-
|''[[Executive Decision]] ||||Terrorists|| || 1996
|-
|''[[Face/Off]] ||||Thug|| || 1996
|-
|''[[True Lies]] ||[[Art Malik]]||Salim Abu Aziz|| || 1994
|-
|''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]] ||||Iraqi soldiers|| || 1993
|-
|''[[Afghan Breakdown]] ||[[Michele Placido]]||Major Bandura|| with 75-round [[RPK]] drum magazine|| 1990
|-
|''[[Afghan Breakdown]] ||Soviet paratroopers|||| w/ plastic magazines|| 1990
|-
|''[[Toy Soldiers]] ||||Colombian terrorists|| || 1990
|-
|''[[Navy SEALs]] ||||U.S Navy SEALs|| || 1990
|-
|''[[Rambo 3]] ||[[Sylvester Stallone]]||John Rambo|| || 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo 3]] ||||Mujaheddin|| || 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo 3]] ||||Soviet Spetznaz soldiers|| w/[[AK-74]] style muzzle brakes|| 1988
|-
|''[[The Living Daylights]] ||||Mujaheddin|| || 1987
|-
|''[[The Living Daylights]] ||||Czech soldiers|| || 1987
|-
|''[[Search and neutralize (Nayti i obezvredit)]] || ||Militia sergeant || || 1982
|-
|''[[Hit Back (Otvetnyy khod)]] ||[[Boris Galkin]]||Captain Tarassov|| || 1981
|-
|'' [[Hit Back (Otvetnyy khod)]] || [[Mihai Volontir]]||Warrant Officer Volentir|||| 1981
|-
|''[[Hit Back (Otvetnyy khod)]] ||[[Vadim Spiridonov]]||Captain Shvetz|| || 1981
|-
|''[[Hit Back (Otvetnyy khod)]] ||[[Yelena Glebova]]||Sergeant Zinovieva|| || 1981
|-
|''[[Officers (Ofitsery)]] ||||Soviet paratroopers|| || 1971
|-
|}

=== Television ===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[24 - Season 4|24]] || [[William Devane]] || Secretary of Defense Heller || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24 - Season 4|24]] || [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Agent Jack Bauer || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24 - Season 4|24]] || || Terrorists || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24 - Season 7|24]] |||| Henchmen || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || [[Tony Curran ]] || Sgt. Pete Twamley || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Brigada]] |||| Special Forces soldiers || || 2002 -
|-
|''[[Red Cap]] || || || || 2003 - 2004
|-
|''[[CSI: NY - Season 7|CSI:NY]]''||[[Clifton Collins Jr.]]||Raymond Harris||"Life Sentence" (S07E21)||2004 - Present
|-
|''[[CSI: NY - Season 7|CSI:NY]]''||[[Carmine Giovinazzo]]||Detective Danny Messer||"Life Sentence" (S07E21)||2004 - Present
|-
|''[[Stormgate]] || [[Vyacheslav Razbegaev]] || Shah || || 2006
|-
|''[[Stormgate]] || || Russian Army Spetsnaz || with sound suppressor || 2006
|-
|''[[Stormgate]] || || Chechen terrorists || With [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-25|GP-25 grenade launcher]] || 2006
|-
|''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]|| [[Scott Foley]] || Sgt. Bob Brown || "Extreme Rendition", With custom shortened barrel || 2006 - 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[New Dominion Tank Police]]||||||1993
|-
|''[[Flag]]||Ru-Pou's followers||with shortened barrels||2009
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[True Lies (VG)]]||||||archive footage from the film ''[[True Lies]]''||1994
|-
|''[[7.62 High Calibre]] ||"AKMC" || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|''[[ArmA II]]||||||||2009
|-
|''[[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]]||"AKSU-74"||||w/ shortened barrel and side-folding stock||2012
|-
|}

== AKMSU ==
[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit. Guns just like this one have been used in ''[[Tropic Thunder]]'', ''[[Three Kings]]'', and numerous other movies and TV shows.]]
[[File:AKPDW01.jpg|thumb|450px|right|AKMSU with RIS handguard - 7.62x39mm]]
Chopped and shortened version of the AKM, made to resemble the [[AKS-74U]] except that it is still a 7.62x39mm gun. The AKMSU was never manufactured by the Soviet Union; however, many other countries, including Yugoslavia, built their own versions.

Most of the so-called "AKMSU" carbines seen in Hollywood movies, such as ''[[Three Kings]]'', ''[[Tropic Thunder]]'', ''[[Bad Boys II]]'', etc. are actually full-size AK variants that have been converted with Krinkov parts kits; many feature side-folding [[AKS-74U]]-style stocks. The picture to the right is an actual movie gun that is almost identical to those that have appeared in many films and TV shows.

=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Hard Boiled]]'' ||[[Philip Kwok]]|| Mad Dog || || 1992
|-
|''[[Ronin]]'' |||| Bodyguards || || 1998
|-
|'' [[Three Kings]]'' |||| Iraqi Republican Guard officer |||| 1999
|-
|''[[Training Day]]'' |||| Russian mafia hitmen || || 2001
|-
|''[[Ali G Indahouse]]'' |||| Gang member || || 2002
|-
| ''[[XXX|xXx]]'' ||[[Radek Tomecka]] || Ivan Pedgrag || || 2002
|-
| ''[[XXX|xXx]]'' |||| Czech Police || || 2002
|-
|''[[Bad Boys II]]'' |||| Haitian gang members and Cuban special forces |||| 2003
|-
|''[[Battle Royale II: Requiem]]'' ||Saki Sakurai|| Wild Seven || || 2003
|-
|''[[A Man Apart]]'' |||| Cartel soldier || w/ Bulgarian "waffle"-style plastic magazine|| 2003
|-
|''[[Tears of the Sun]]'' |||| Nigerian militia fighter || || 2003
|-
|''[[Mission: Impossible III]]'' |||| Davian's mercernaries || || 2006
|-
|''[[The Kingdom]]'' |||| Terrorists |||| 2007
|-
|''[[Tropic Thunder]]'' ||[[Brandon Soo Hoo]]|| Tran || || 2008
|-
|''[[Tropic Thunder]]'' |||| Flaming Dragon members || || 2008
|-
|''[[Dark Knight, The|The Dark Knight]]'' ||||| One of Scarecrow's men || || 2008
|-
|'' [[Terminator Salvation]]'' |||| Human survivor |||| 2009
|-
| ''[[The Town]]'' ||[[Jeremy Renner]] || James 'Jem' Coughlin || With RIS handguard || 2010
|-
|''[[The Expendables]]'' |||| General Garza's soldiers || || 2010
|-
| ''[[The Expendables]]'' ||[[Gary Daniels]] || The Brit || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Killer Elite (2011)|Killer Elite]]'' || || Guard || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol]]'' || || Russian agents || KCI quad rail handguard || 2011
|-
| ''[[Contraband]]'' || [[Diego Luna]] || Gonzalo || KCI quad rail handguard || 2011
|-
| ''[[Fast Five]]'' || [[Michael Irby]] || Zizi ||With [[MP5K]]-style foregrip and sights || 2011
|-
| ''[[Resident Evil: Damnation]]''|| ||Leon S. Kennedy / J.D. ||heavily customized ||2012
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF

!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[CSI: Miami]]'' || || Gang Hitman || || 2002 -
|-
| ''[[CSI: Miami]]'' || || Russian Mobsters ||"Seeing Red" || 2002 -
|-
|''[[CSI: NY - Season 5|CSI: NY]]''||[[Emilio Rivera]]||Little Stevie||"Point of No Return" (S05E18)||2004 - Present
|-
| ''[[Criminal Minds]]'' || [[Luke Perry]] || Benjamin Cyrus || "Minimal Loss" || 2005 -
|-
| ''[[Criminal Minds]]'' || || Polygamist cult members ||"Minimal Loss" || 2005 -
|-
| ''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'' |||| || || 2006 - 2009
|-
| ''[[Hawaii Five-0 (2010) - Season 2|Hawaii Five-0]]'' || [[Alex O'Loughlin]] || Steve McGarrett || RIS handguard || 2011
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Söldner: Secret Wars]]'' || AKS-74U |||| || 2004
|-
| ''[[Terrorist Takedown 2: US Navy Seals]]'' || AKS-74 |||| || 2008
|-
| ''[[SAS Secure Tomorrow]]'' || || || || 2008
|-
| ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]]'' || || || || 2008
|-
| ''[[Armed Forces Corps]]'' ||AKS-74U|| NONE || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Code of Honor 3: Desperate Measures]]' || AKS-74U |||| || 2009
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'' || AKS-74U ||single-player only || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Uncharted 3]]'' || KAL 7 || || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]]'' || AKS-74U || w/ various accessories|| || 2012
|-
| ''[[Spec Ops: The Line]]'' ||AKS-74U || || || 2012
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor: Warfighter]]'' || AKS-74U Suchka || w/ various accessories || || 2012
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|[[Full Metal Panic!]] || || 2002
|-
|}

==AK-101==
[[Image:AK101.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AK-101 - 5.56x45mm]]
Modern Russian AK rifle full size.
=== Specifications ===
(1994 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 5.56×45mm NATO

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.6}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|943}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|700}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AK-101}}
=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Splinter Cell: Double Agent]]''||||||used by hostile NPC's||2006
|-
|''[[Battlefield 2]]''||||two magazines taped together "jungle style", with and without GP-30 grenade launcher||||2005
|-
|''[[Hitman: Contracts]]''||"AK74"||||||2004
|-
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|}
 

==AK-102==
[[Image:AK102.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AK-102 carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
The AK-102 is a modern day AK that is the carbine version of the [[AK-101]]
=== Specifications ===
(1990s - Present)

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 5.56×45mm NATO

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|824}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|586}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|314}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AK-102}}
=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Syphon Filter]] || PK-102|| |||| 1999
|-
|''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]||||Can be fitted with a GP-30 Grenade Launcher||||2008
|-
|''[[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|}
 

==AK-103==
[[Image:AK103.jpg|thumb|right|445px|AK-103 - 7.62x39mm]]
Modern Russian AK rifle full size.
=== Specifications ===
(1994 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62×39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.4}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|943}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|700}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AK-103}}
===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[War, Inc.]] || || Tamerlane personnel || || 2008
|-
|'' [[War, Inc.]] || [[John Cusack]] || Hauser || || 2008
|-
|''[[Hooked (Na Igre)|Hooked]] || || Muslim terrorists || || 2009
|-
|''[[Hooked (Na Igre)|Hooked]] || [[Nodar Siradze]] || Yan || || 2009
|-
|''[[Hooked 2. Next Level (Na Igre 2. Novyy Uroven)|Hooked 2. Next Level]] ||[[Marina Petrenko]] || Rita || || 2010
|-
|''[[Hooked 2. Next Level (Na Igre 2. Novyy Uroven)|Hooked 2. Next Level]] ||[[Evgeniy Kharlanov]] || Komar || || 2010
|-
|'' [[Hooked 2. Next Level (Na Igre 2. Novyy Uroven)|Hooked 2. Next Level]] || [[Aleksey Bardukov]] || Max || || 2010
|-
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Top Shot - Season 3]]|| || || || 2011
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Punisher, The (VG)|The Punisher]]||7.62mm Assault Rifle||Available w/ red dot sight, upgradeable to 75-round drum magazine||||2005
|-
|''[[Mercenaries 2: World in Flames]]||||Black electrical tape on the stock.||||2008
|-
|''[[Hitman: Codename 47]]||AK103||||||2000
|-
|''[[Urban Terror]]||||||||2000
|-
|''[[America's Army]]||||w/ [[GP-series grenade launcher#GP-30|GP-30 grenade launcher]]||||2002
|-
|''[[Secret Service (2008)|Secret Service]]||KMF 03||||||2008
|-
|'' [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
|'' [[Freedom Fighters]] || Assault Rifle || || Mocked-up to look futuristic || 2003
|-
|''[[MAG]]||AK-103||||||2010
|-
|'' [[SOCOM: US Navy SEALs Fireteam Bravo 3]]|| |||| ||2010
|-
|'' [[Breach (VG)|Breach]] || AK-103 ||w/ RIS handguard and top cover ||fires 5.56x45mm rounds || 2011
|-
| ''[[Spec Ops: The Line]] || AK-47 || wooden furniture || w/ burst mode || 2012
|-
| rowspan="2" |''[[Medal of Honor: Warfighter]]'' ||AK-103||w/ various attachments || || 2012
|-
| AKM||w/ wooden handguard and stock || SP only|| 2012
|-
|''[[Far Cry 3]]||||with side mounted accessory rail and wooden [[AK-74]] furniture || || 2012
|-
|}

==AK-104==
[[Image:AK104.jpg|thumb|right|440px|AK-104 carbine - 7.62x39mm]]
Modern Russian AK rifle carbine.
=== Specifications ===
( - Present)

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|824}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|314}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AK-104}}
===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[A Good Day to Die Hard]]'' || [[Bruce Willis]] || John McClane || With RIS handguard, foregrip and flashlight || 2013
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Dead Island]] || || || ||2011
|-
|''[[Medal of Honor: Warfighter]] || || Various available modifications || AK-104 barrel group attachable to base AK-103 || 2012
|}
 

==AK-108==
Modern full-size AK rifle borrowing operating mechanics from the [[AEK rifle series|AEK-971]].
[[File:AK-108.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AK-108 - 5.56x45mm ]]

 

=Other Versions=
==Norinco Type 56==
[[File:Early type 56.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56, early model with milled receiver - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56 (fixed stock variant) with under-folding bayonet ("pig sticker") which was standard on PLA-issue Type 56s - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56 (Imported into the U.S. as the Norinco AKS-47 or AKS-47 Sporter) - 7.62x39mm. Rather than having the underfolder pig sticker Bayonet assembly, this has the standard Bayonet lug underneath the gas block as the AKM and later variants.]]
[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type56-2.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Type56withChicomDrum.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Norinco Type 56 (Imported AKS-47 into the U.S.) with Chinese 75 Round Drum Magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

The Chinese Type 56 assault rifle (manufactured by China North Industries Corporation, or Norinco) is by far the most commonly-seen AK derivative in Hollywood productions, both film and television. They are frequently seen impersonating Russian weapons in many films, since the Russians never sold a civilian AK model in the U.S. (or Europe) during the latter half of the 20th century. Most of the movie prop rental houses in Hollywood had dozens if not hundreds of Chinese AKs - mostly the Type 56s (7.62x39mm version) or the similar [[AK-47#Norinco Type 84S|Type 84s]] (5.56x45mm version). These were usually semi-automatic civilian versions (commonly designated "AK47S" or "AKS47" by the importers), in many cases converted to full-auto by Class III manufacturers.

There are three main variants of the Type 56 - the standard Type 56, which has a fixed stock, the Type 56-1, which has an under-folding stock, and the Type 56-2, which has a side-folding stock. Most fixed-stock Type 56 rifles have an under-folding spike bayonet, known as the "pig sticker"; this rifle is often seen in movies about the Vietnam War, and is correct for NVA throughout most of the conflict. Quite a few of the Type 56s seen in movies also have [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]-style slant compensators fitted; this was a common feature on semi-auto Type 56s exported to the U.S., but NOT the full-auto military model.

The easiest way to tell when an AK-type rifle seen in a movie or TV show is a Chinese Type 56 is by looking at the front sight; Chinese AKs have a distinctive full-circle ("hooded") front sight that no other AKs (including those made in Russia) have.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| || Mozambique guard || [[Johnny English Reborn]] || Type 56-1 || 2011
|-
| || Fighters || [[Killer Elite (2011)|Killer Elite]] || early variant with milled receiver|| 2011
|-
| || Iraqi Security Forces || [[Memorial Day]] || || 2011
|-
| || ||[[Guard, The (2011)|The Guard]]|| ||2011
|-
| [[Nicholas Braun]] ||Billy-Ray|| rowspan="5" | [[Red State]] ||rowspan="4" | Type 56 - made to look like AKM ||rowspan="5" | 2011
|-
| [[Melissa Leo]]|| Sara
|-
| [[James Parks]]|| Mordechai
|-
| [[Jennifer Schwalbach Smith]]|| Esther
|-
| || Believers || Type 56-1 - made to look like AKMS
|-
| ||Taliban fighters|| [[Kandahar]] ||with and without under-folding bayonets || 2010
|-
| [[Matt Damon]] || Chief Warrant Officer Roy Miller ||rowspan="2" | [[Green Zone]] ||rowspan="2" | Type 56-1 ||rowspan="2" | 2010
|-
| || Iraqi gunmen
|-
| || North Korean soldiers || [[Salt]] || || 2010
|-
| ||thugs||[[Across the Line: The Exodus of Charlie Wright]] || || 2010
|-
|[[Byron Lawson]] || Mao ||rowspan="5" | [[A Dangerous Man]] || Type 56-2 (folded stock), continuity errors: stock (un-)folded in same scene and mirror images ||rowspan="5" | 2009
|-
| [[Jesse Hutch]] || Sergey ||
|-
| [[Steven Seagal]] || Shane ||
|-
| [[Vitaly Kravchenko]] || Vlad ||
|-
| || Russian thugs ||
|-
| || Terrorists || [[31 North 62 East]] || Type 56-1 || 2009
|-
| || Indonesian soldiers || [[Balibo]] || || 2009
|-
| || Taliban fighters ||rowspan="2" | [[The Kite Runner]] ||rowspan="2" | Type 56-1 and Type 56-1 ||rowspan="2" | 2008
|-
| || Soviet soldiers
|-
| || Iraqi insurgents || [[Body of Lies]] || Type 56-1 || 2008
|-
| || Soviet soldiers || [[Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1 || 2008
|-
| || || [[No Country for Old Men]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1, seen with dead drug dealers || 2007
|-
| || Crackhead || [[Hot Fuzz]] || Type 56-1 || 2007
|-
| [[Falah Falyeh]] || Ahmad ||rowspan="4" | [[Battle for Haditha]] ||rowspan="4" | Type 56-1 ||rowspan="4" | 2007
|-
| [[Oliver Bytrus]] ||Jafar
|-
|||Iraqi Army soldiers
|-
|||Iraqi civilians
|-
| [[Kagiso Kuypers]] || Dia Vandy ||rowspan="3" | [[Blood Diamond]] ||rowspan="3" | Type 56-1 ||rowspan="3" | 2006
|-
| || R.U.F. rebels
|-
| || Sierra Leone Army soldiers
|-
| [[Weston Cage]] || Mechanic ||rowspan="5" | [[Lord of War]] ||rowspan="3" | Type 56-1, with AKM receiver cover ||rowspan="5" | 2005
|-
| || Soviet soldiers
|-
| || Afghan Mujahideen
|-
| |||| Seen on wall, with nickel finish, AKM muzzle brake, ivory furniture, and AIMS handguard
|-
| || R.U.F. rebels|| Type 56-1
|-
| [[Matthew McConaughey]] || Dirk Pitt ||rowspan="2"| [[Sahara (2005)|Sahara]] ||rowspan="2"| Type 56-1 ||rowspan="2"| 2005
|-
| || Malian Soldiers
|-
| || Black September terrorists ||rowspan="3"| [[Munich]] ||rowspan="3"| Type 56-1 ||rowspan="3"| 2005
|-
| || PLO gunmen
|-
| || Israeli commandos
|-
| || Chinese soldiers || [[Batman Begins]] || Type 56-1 || 2005
|-
| || Tajikistani terrorists || [[Stealth]] || Type 56-1, with lengthened barrel || 2005
|-
| || Thugs || [[A Bittersweet Life]] || Type 56-1 || 2005
|-
| || Pirates || [[Typhoon]] || Type 56-1 || 2005
|-
| || Guard || [[District B13]] || Type 56, with & without AKM muzzle brake || 2004
|-
| || Tutsi rebel || [[Hotel Rwanda]] || || 2004
|-
| || Militia fighters ||rowspan="3"| [[Tears of the Sun]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1 ||rowspan="3"| 2003
|-
| || Cameroon border guards ||
|-
| || Refugees|| Type 56, with & without pig-sticker bayonet
|-
| || Kidnappers, Abu Karaf fighers || [[Belly of the Beast]] || || 2003
|-
| || North Korean soldiers ||rowspan="2"| [[Die Another Day]] || Type 56-1 ||rowspan="2"|2002
|-
| || North Korean commando|| Type 56-1, made to look like [[AKS-74]]
|-
| || Somali militiamen || [[Black Hawk Down]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1, with & without pig-sticker bayonets || 2001
|-
| [[Gabriel Casseus]] || Sonny || ''[[Black Dog]]'' || || 1998
|-
| || Rebel soldiers || [[Air Force One]] || Type 56-1|| 1997
|-
| [[Elizabeth Hurley]] || Karen || [[Dangerous Ground]] || || 1997
|-
| [[Brad Pitt]] || Frankie Maguire || [[Devil's Own, The|The Devil's Own]] || Type 56-1 || 1997
|-
| || Iraqi soldiers || [[Courage Under Fire]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1 || 1996
|-
| [[Danny Trejo]] || Trejo || [[Heat]] || Type 56-1, with AKM muzzle brake || 1995
|-
| || N.V.A. soldiers || [[Dead Presidents]] || || 1995
|-
| [[Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa]] || Vinh Moc || [[Soldier Boyz]] || || 1995
|-
| [[Jacqueline Obradors]] || Vasquez || [[Soldier Boyz]] || With pig-sticker bayonet || 1995
|-
| [[Demetrius Navarro]] || Lopez || [[Soldier Boyz]] || || 1995
|-
| || Vinh Moc's soldiers || [[Soldier Boyz]] || With & without pig-sticker bayonets || 1995
|-
| || A criminal || [[Soldier Boyz]] || Type 56-1 || 1995
|-
| || Neo Nazi terrorists || [[Top Dog]] || Type 56-1 with AKM-style muzzle brakes || 1995
|-
| [[Pierce Brosnan]] || James Bond ||rowspan="5"| [[GoldenEye]] ||rowspan="3"| Type 56-1, made to look like [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]] ||rowspan="5"| 1995
|-
| [[Sean Bean]] || Alec Trevelyan
|-
| [[Famke Janssen]] || Xenia Onatopp
|-
| || Russian soldiers ||rowspan="2"| Made to look like [[AK-74]] and AKS-74
|-
| || Janus soldiers
|-
| [[Lori Petty]] || Pvt. Christine Jones ||rowspan="3"| [[In the Army Now]] ||rowspan="2"| Type 56, with AKM muzzle brake ||rowspan="3"| 1994
|-
| || Libyan Army soldiers
|-
| || Libyan Army soldier || Type 56-1, made to look like [[AK-74]]
|-
| || Colombian cartel gunmen || [[Clear and Present Danger]] || Type 56-1 || 1994
|-
| || Robber || [[Crime Story (1993)]] || with AKM muzzle brake || 1993
|-
| [[Ed Adams]] || Dirt || [[Beyond the Law]] || Type 56-1, with AKM muzzle brake || 1992
|-
| .||Guards||[[Rapid Fire]]||.||1992
|-
| || Johnny Wong's thugs || [[Hard Boiled]] || Type 56-1|| 1992
|-
| [[Baldwin C. Sykes]] || Monster || [[Boyz N The Hood]] || Type 56-1|| 1991
|-
| [[Waise Lee]] || Little Wing ||rowspan="5"| [[Bullet in the Head]] ||rowspan="5"| ||rowspan="5"| 1990
|-
| [[Tony Leung]] || Ah Bee
|-
| [[Jacky Cheung]] || Fai
|-
| || N.V.A. soldiers
|-
| || Viet-Cong guerrillas
|-
| [[Miguel Ferrer]] || Amador || [[Revenge]] || Type 56-1 || 1990
|-
| || Soviet Naval Infantryman || [[Hunt for Red October, The|The Hunt for Red October]] || || 1990
|-
| [[Thomas Rosales Jr.]] || Chet ||rowspan="2"| [[RoboCop 2]] || Type 56, with AK-74 muzzle brake ||rowspan="2"| 1990
|-
| || Nuke cartel thugs || Type 56, 56-1, & Type 56-2, with & without bakelite magazines and AK-74 muzzle brakes
|-
| || Ramon Cota's men || [[Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection]] || Type 56, with pig-sticker bayonet || 1990
|-
| || Afghan Mujaheddin || [[Afghan Breakdown]] || Type 56, with pig-sticker bayonet || 1990
|-
| [[Nicholas Kadi]] || Ben Shaheedis || [[Navy SEALs]] |||| 1990
|-
| [[Danny Lee]] || Inspector Li Ying || [[The Killer]] || Type 56-1 || 1989
|-
| || Villain || [[UHF]] || || 1989
|-
| || NVA soldiers || [[Born on the Fourth of July]] || Type 56 with pig-sticker bayonet || 1989
|-
| || Viet Cong guerrillas || [[Casualties of War]] || Type 56-1 || 1989
|-
| [[Liem Whatley]] || Ho ||rowspan="2"| [[Iron Triangle, The|The Iron Triangle]] ||rowspan="2"| Type 56, with pig-sticker bayonet ||rowspan="2"| 1989
|-
| || Viet-Cong
|-
| [[Sasson Gabai]] || Mousa ||rowspan="2"| [[Rambo III]] || Type 56-1 ||rowspan="2"| 1988
|-
| || Afghan Mujahideen || Type 56 and Type 56-1
|-
| || Wing Kong gang members || [[Big Trouble in Little China]] || Type 56, with AKM muzzle brakes || 1986
|-
| [[Charlie Sheen]] || Pvt. Chris Taylor ||rowspan="4"| [[Platoon]] ||rowspan="4"| With pig-sticker bayonet ||rowspan="4"| 1986
|-
| [[Tom Berenger]] || SSgt. Robert Barnes
|-
| || N.V.A. soldiers
|-
| || Viet-Cong
|-
| || Viet Cong guerrillas || [[Coordinates of Death (Koordinaty smerti)]] || With pig-sticker bayonets || 1985
|-
| [[Jong Soo Park]] || Tran Chan Dinh || [[Park is Mine, The|The Park is Mine]] || Type 56-1 || 1985
|-
| || Rebels || [[Commando Leopard]] || || 1985
|-
| || General Khan's soldiers || [[Code Name: Wild Geese]] || || 1984
|-
| || Indonesian soldiers || [[Year of Living Dangerously, The|The Year of Living Dangerously]] || Type 56, with and without pig-sticker bayonets || 1982
|-
| || N.V.A. soldiers ||rowspan="4"| [[Apocalypse Now]] || ||rowspan="4"| 1979
|-
| || Viet-Cong ||
|-
| || Kurtz's men || With & without jungle-taped magazines
|-
| || French colonialists || With & without pig-sticker bayonets
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Derek Thompson]] || Billy Downes || [[Harry's Game]] || Type 56-1 || 1982
|-
| || Various || [[A-Team, The| The A-Team]] || || 1983 - 1988
|-
| || Vit Cng || [[Tour of Duty]] || || 1987 - 1989
|-
| || NVA soldiers || [[Tour of Duty]] || || 1987 - 1989
|-
| || Various || [[Seven Days]] || Type 56 and Type 56-1 || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Ross Kemp]] || SSgt. Henry 'Henno' Garvie || rowspan="8"|[[Ultimate Force]] || rowspan="8"|Type 56-1 || rowspan="8"|2002 - 2006
|-
| [[Jamie Draven]] || Cpl. Jamie Dow
|-
| [[Tony Curran]] || Sgt. Pete Twamley
|-
| [[Miles Anderson]] || Col. Aidan Dempsey
|-
| [[Louis Decosta Johnson ]] || Cpl. Dave Woolston
|-
| [[Heather Peace]] || Tpr. Becca Gallagher
|-
| [[Conor Mullen]] || Omega
|-
| || Various terrorists and soldiers
|-
| [[Victor Browne]] || Tyler Reed || [[Tremors: The Series]] / "Shriek & Destroy" || || 2003
|-
| [[Leo Fitzpatrick]] || "Mr. Mouse" || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || Type 56-1, with AKM slant compensator || 2007
|-
| [[Adam Cantor]] || Rocko || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || Type 56-1, with AKM slant compensator || 2007
|-
| [[Frank Grillo]] || Albert "Mr. Pig" Roman || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || Type 56-1, with AKM slant compensator || 2007
|-
| || One of Deke Quinlan's men || [[Kill Point, The|The Kill Point]] || Type 56-1, with AKM slant compensator || 2007
|-
| || Various rebels and mercenaries|| [[Sea Patrol]] || || 2007 - 2010
|-
| || || [[Sanctuary]] || || 2007 -
|-
| || North Korean border guards || [[Chaos (TV series)|Chaos]] / "Song of the North" || With AKM slant compensator || 2011 -
|-
|[[Noah Wyle]] || Tom Mason || [[Falling Skies]] || Type 56-1 || 2011 -
|-
|Extras || Resistance fighters || [[Falling Skies]] || Type 56 || 2011 -
|-
| || Guatemalan troops || ''[[Jon Benjamin Has a Van]]'' || Type 56, "Border" (S01E01) || 2011
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Delta Force: Xtreme 2]]||"AK47"||||||2009
|-
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] ||"Type 56" || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008
|-
| [[Tomb Raider: Underworld]]||||||not usable||2008
|-
|[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]||"AK-47"||w/ underfolding "pig sticker" bayonet||||2004
|-
|[[Conflict: Vietnam]] ||"Chicom Type-56"|| || || 2004
|-
|[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]]||"AK47"||||||2004
|-
|[[Project IGI 2: Covert Strike]]||"AK-47"||||||2003
|-
|[[Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne]]||"Kalashnikov"||||||2003
|-
|[[Project IGI: I'm Going In]]||"AK-47"||||||2000
|-
| [[Global Operations]]||"AK-47"||||||2000
|-
| [[Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain]]||"China Type 56"||||||2004
|-
| [[Tactical Ops: Assault on Terror]] || "AK47" || || || 2002
|-
| [[Jurassic Park: Trespasser]] || "Kalashnikov" || || || 1998
|-
|}

==Norinco Type 84S==
[[Image:NorincoType84SRifle.jpg |thumb|right|500px|Norinco Type 84S - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NorincoType84SFolder.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Norinco Type 84S Underfolder Model - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NorincoType84STarget.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Norinco Type 84S "Target" Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Basically a standard Norinco Type 84S with a slightly longer barrel. This variant was ready for market just as the 1989 US import ban was implemented, so it is mostly seen in Canada. It has an 18.5" barrel and was very rarely seen in the U.S. Gun market.]]
[[Image:NorincoType84SMatch.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Norinco Type 84S Match Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Norinco was stuck sitting on a pile of 21" RPK barrels chambered for 5.56mm when the door slammed shut on U.S. imports in 1989. Norinco saved money by mating their 21" long RPK-style barrels to their stockpile of 84S Folding Stock receiver bodies and thus exported the '''Type 84S Match''' to countries such as Canada and Australia. Canada would suffer their own import ban on 'frightening looking guns' in 1995. Australian gun owners would suffer such a fate in 1997.]]

The Type 84 rifle is nearly identical to the Chinese Type 56 (seen above), but it is chambered in 5.56x45mm /.223 Remington. It is often seen impersonating the [[AK-74]] in movies and TV shows (particularly ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'', where it is carried by Russian SG teams).

The Type 84 was imported and sold with an AK birdcage flash hider and had a deep polished factory blue. Several other variants of the 84S Rifle (that are mostly unfamiliar to American Gun Owners) were victims of the 1989 Import Ban that barred most new 'assault rifles' from entering the United States. These rifles were thus mostly exported to Canada and Australia, and as a result, appeared in television shows or movies that were filmed in those countries. Listed here are two of the variants seen in Canadian or Australian television (the Target and the Match versions). If it were not for Canadian or Australian movie armorers, most of us in the U.S. would never have known these variants existed.

=== Film ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
||| Stylish Secret Agent || [[Zombieland]] || . || 2009
|-
||| Hungarian police officers || [[Underworld: Evolution]] ||.|| 2006
|-
||| Ukrainian soldiers || [[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]] || Fitted with custom muzzle brakes and folding stocks to pass for [[AK-74#AKS-74|AKS-74]]|| 2003
|-
|||.|| [[Reindeer Games]] ||Seen in the weapons storage compartment of Gabriel's ([[Gary Sinise]]) truck || 2000
|-
||| Iraqi soldiers || [[Bravo Two Zero]] ||.|| 1999
|-
||| Mobsters || [[Hollow Point]] ||w/ Type 56-style bayonets|| 1996
|-
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| . || Russian soldiers and other characters || ''[[The X-Files]]'', Ep. "Terma", "Patient X" || . || 1993-2002
|-
| . || Russian soldiers || ''[[Sliders]]'' || . || 1995-2000
|-
| — || — || ''[[Millennium]]'', Ep. "Gehenna") || Found in cult warehouse || 1996-1999
|-
| . || Various military personnel and terrorists || ''[[Seven Days]]'', Ep. "Peackeepers", "The Fire Last Time" || . || 1998-2001
|-
| . || A bounty hunter and Cherokee nationalists || ''[[Harsh Realm]]'' (Ep. 2 "Leviathan", Ep. 8 "Cincinnati") || . || 1999
|-
| . || Seth's followers || ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' ([[Stargate SG-1 - Season 3|Season 3]], Episode 2) || . || 1999 - 2000
|-
| [[James Gandolfini]] || Tony || ''[[The Sopranos]]'', Ep. "Two Tonys" (5.01) || . || 1999-2007
|-
| [[Max Casella]] || Benny Fazio || ''[[The Sopranos]]'', Ep. "Two Tonys" (5.01) || . || 1999-2007
|-
| [[Carl Capotorto]] || Little Paulie Germani || ''[[The Sopranos]]'', Ep. "Two Tonys" (5.01) || . || 1999-2007
|-
| [[Ryan Robbins]] || Charlie Connor || ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'', Season 3, "Exodus" || . || 2004-2009
|-
| . || Resistance fighters || ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'', Season 2, "Lay Down Your Burdens" || . || 2004-2009
|-
| [[Fenar Mohammed-Ali]] || As'ad || ''[[Chris Ryan's Strike Back]]'', Ep. 1, 2 || . || 2010
|-
| . || Iraqi insurgents || ''[[Chris Ryan's Strike Back]]'', Ep. 1, 2 || . || 2010
|-
|}

===Anime===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]||Dejima refugee sniper||Type 84S Target with scope||2004-2005
|}
 

== Norinco MAK-90 ==
[[Image:MAK90.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Norinco MAK-90 - 7.62x39mm]]
Civilian "post-ban" version of Norinco Type 56, with 'thumbhole' stock and semi-auto only fire mode.

=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|lbs|8.25}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|in|35.1}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|in|16.34}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto

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{{Gun Title|Norinco MAK-90}}
===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Carnosaur 3: Primal Species]] |||| Terrorist || || 1996
|-
|''[[Soldier]]|| || Arcadia 234 inhabitant || With 10-round magazine || 1998
|-
| ''[[God Bless America]]'' || [[Tara Lynne Barr]] || Roxy || thumbhole stock removed || 2012
|-
| ''[[God Bless America]]'' || [[Joel Murray]] || Frank Murdock || thumbhole stock removed || 2012
|-
| ''[[God Bless America]]'' || [[Mike Tristano]] || Shady gun dealer || thumbhole stock removed || 2012
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow]]||||PSO-1 Scope and Dragunov stock||Used by Hostile NPCs only||2004
|-
|}
 

==Zastava M70==
[[Image:Zastava M70B1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Zastava M70B1 fixed stock rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Zastava M70 AB2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Zastava M70AB2 folding stock rifle - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Zastava M70AB2.jpg |thumb|right|400px|Zastava M70AB2 folding stock rifle - 7.62x39mm (non-standard pistol grip). The military version of the M70AB2 underfolder rifle has a black plastic pistol grip as seen in the image above. However all of the Zastava M70AB2 rifles imported in the U.S. by Mitchell Arms had the wooden pistol grip seen in this photo. So a wooden pistol grip is indicative of a 'Mitchell Arms' rifle.]]

The Zastava M70 was the Yugoslavian variant of the Russian AK-47 (later AKM), however, it utilized a strengthened lower receiver, more akin to the RPK than the AK-47/AKM. It also has other design variations which make it immediately recognizable from its Russian cousin. M70 has grenade launcher sights that when raised cut off gas flow to the piston allowing use of blanks for grenade launching; the rear trunion has a plunger to lock the receiver cover to prevent loss when used with a grenade launcher. Flip-up sights are standard equipment for optional night use: two dot rear and one dot front filled with phosphorescent material. M70 magazines are standard AK-47 type, but have a follower that blocks the bolt open when empty (much like the 30 round M1 Carbine magazine follower). The forearm is distinctly longer and has 3 cooling vents.

Some of the variants also have finned barrels to aid in heat dispersion. It was made by Zavodi Crvena Zastava (Red Banner Plant), now Zastava Oružje / Zastava Arms in a Yugoslavian (now Serbian) city of Kragujevac.

It was most widely used and seen in the Wars in the 1990s of the former Yugoslavian republics - Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro (Slovenia and Macedonia were not a major combatants in the fighting). Yugoslavia also sold them to many countries such as Iraq (which produced a licensed copy known as the Tabuk, which lacked the grenade-launching sight) and Kuwait.

The Zastava M70 was produced in the following variants:

* M70 - milled receiver, fixed stock
* M70A – milled receiver, underfolding stock
* M70A1 – milled receiver, underfolding stock, mount for night or optical sights
* M70B1 – stamped receiver, fixed stock
* M70AB2 – stamped receiver, underfolding stock
* M70B1N – stamped receiver, fixed stock, mount for night or optical sights
* M70AB2N – stamped receiver, underfolding stock, mount for night or optical sights

* Variants M70B, M70AB and M70AB1 also exist, but they are rare and their specifications are unclear.

=== Specifications ===
(1970 - Present)

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62×39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.7}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|0}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|0}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|415}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

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{{Gun Title|Zastava M70}}

===Film===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|'' [[Coriolanus]] || [[Gerard Butler]] || Tullus Aufidius || M70AB2 version || 2011
|-
|''[[Guard, The (2011)|The Guard]]||[[Don Cheadle]]||F.B.I. Special Agent Everett ||M70B1||2011
|-
|'' [[Fast Five]] |||| Gunmen || M70AB2 version || 2011
|-
|''[[The A-Team (2010)|The A-Team]] |||| Iraqi guards || M70AB2 version || 2010
|-
|''[[District 13: Ultimatum]] || || Thugs || M70AB2 & M70B1 versions || 2009
|-
|''[[A Dangerous Man]] || [[Jesse Hutch]] || Sergey || M70AB1 version || 2009
|-
|''[[Watchmen]] |||| Viet Cong fighter || || 2009
|-
|''[[The Brothers Bloom]] |||| Czech soldiers || || 2009
|-
|''[[Punisher: War Zone]] |||| Russian mobsters || M70B1 and M70AB2 versions|| 2009
|-
|''[[Shake Hands with the Devil (2007)|Shake Hands with the Devil]] |||| Rwandan soldiers and RPF rebels || M70AB2 version|| 2007
|-
|''[[Stealth]] |||| North Korean soldiers || M70AB2 version, with taped on flashlight|| 2005
|-
|'' [[Behind Enemy Lines]] |||| Serbian soldiers |||| 2001
|-
|'' [[No Man's Land]] |||| Serbian and Bosnian forces |||| 2001
|-
|''[[Savior]] |||| Serbian and Bosnian forces || || 1998
|-
|''[[The Peacemaker]] |||| Terrorists, Russian soldiers and UN peacekeepers || || 1997
|-
|''[[Pretty Village, Pretty Flame]] |||| Serbian soldiers || M70B1 and M70AB2 versions|| 1996
|-
|}

===Television===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|'' [[Ultimate Force]]||[[Ross Kemp]] || Sgt. Henno Garvie ||"Something to Do with Justice", M70B1 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || || Serbian rebels ||"Something to Do with Justice", M70B1 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || [[Damian O'Hare]]|| Sean Weir || "The Killing of a One-Eyed Bookie", M70B1 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || || Chechen rebels & Russian soldiers ||"Weapon of Choice", M70B1 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || || Al-Qaeda terrorists ||"Deadlier Than the Male", M70AB2 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || || SAS, Chechen rebels & Russian soldiers || "Weapon of Choice", M70AB2 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]] || || Al-Qaeda terrorists || "Dividing Line", M70AB2 || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Bugs]] || || || "Schrodingers Bomb" || 1995 - 1999
|-
|''[[Stargate SG-1]] || || Russian SG team ||"Icon" || 1997 - 2007
|-
|''[[Stargate SG-1]]|| [[Victor Favrin]] || Chalo ||"Evolution", || 1997 - 2007
|-
|''[[Stargate SG-1]] || [[Frank Roman]] || Rafael || "Evolution", M70AB2 || 1997 - 2007
|-
|''[[Stargate SG-1]] || || Honduran rebels ||"Evolution" || 1997 - 2007
|-
|''[[24: Redemption]] || || Child soldier || M70AB2 || 2008
|-
|''[[Ultimate Weapons]] || || ||"Close Quarter Battle", M70AB2 || 2009 - 2011
|-
|''[[Nikita (2010)|Nikita]] || || Bank robbers and Chilean rebels || M70AB2 ||2010 - Present
|-
|''[[Covert Affairs]]''|| ||A Taliban Terrorist||"Half a World Away" (S2E7) ||2011
|}

===Video Games===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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|-
|''[[24: The Game]]||Z85||||||2006
|-
|''[[Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain]]||Stava M70 B1||||||2004
|-
|}

== Zastava M85 ==
[[Image:M85 5 12.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Zastava M85 - 5.56x45mm]]
The Zastava M85 is a compact carbine manufactured by the Yugoslavian Zastava company, similar to the AKMSU mentioned above, although with an underfolding stock instead of a side-folder, a three-holed handguard and is chambered for 5.56x45mm.

=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.5}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|800}}, {{convert|mm|540}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|254}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|Zastava M85}}

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[36th Precinct]]''|| || Robber || ||2004
|-
|}
=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days]]||||||||2010
|-
|}
 

==Zastava M92 ==
[[Image:ZastavaM92.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Zastava M92 - 7.62x39mm]]
Very similar to the [[Zastava M85]] but chambers 7.62x39mm instead of 5.56x45mm. Note the curved magazine.
=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.5}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|800}}, {{convert|mm|540}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|254}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|Zastava M92}}
=== Video Games ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
|''[[America's Army]]|| || || Seen in crates with other AK-series weapons, non-playable || 2002
|-
|}
 

==AIM/AIMS==
[[Image:aimrifle.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AIM - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:PM.md.65.jpg|thumb|right|450px|PM.md.65 with cleaning rod removed - 7.62x39mm. An early version of the AIMS with an underfolding stock and inward curved grip.]]
[[Image:RomanianAIMS std.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AIMS - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Romanian-AIMS-Rifle.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AIMS with 75-round drum magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
The Romanian clones of the AKM and AKMS, identifiable by the vertical foregrip integrated into the handguard. The folding-stock version of the AIM, known as the AIMS, originally had a conventional under-folding stock and the grip curving inwards at a convex angle. This was eventually replaced by a version which had a side-folding stock (copied from the East German MPi-KMS), as shown here.

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|'' [[A Gang Story (Les Lyonnais)]] || ||Bank roobers||PM Md. 65 || 2011
|-
|'' [[Kandahar]] || ||Taliban fighters||AIM with a shortened barrel || 2010
|-
|''[[Street Kings]] || [[Jayceon "The Game" Taylor]] || Grill || AIMS || 2008
|-
| ''[[Attack Force]]'' || || Special Forces soldiers || Both AIM and AIMS || 2006
|-
|'' [[Typhoon]] || || Pirates || Older model AIMS with underfolding stock || 2005
|-
| || Tahas' Henchmen|| [[District B13]] || PM md. 90 Krinkov || 2004
|-
|'' [[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout]] || [[Andrew Bryniarski]] || Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. || AIMS, w/ 75-round drum magazine || 2003
|-
|''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout]] || [[Oleg Taktarov]] || Emil Matasareanu || AIMS, w/ 75-round drum magazine || 2003
|-
|''[[Iron Eagle II]] || [[Uri Gavriel]] || Georgi Koshkin || AIMS, w/ bakelite magazines and Israeli blank-firing adaptor || 1988
|-
|''[[Iron Eagle]] || || Enemy soldier || AIMS, with Israeli blank-firing adaptor || 1986
|-
|''[[Lethal Weapon 4]] |||| Corrupt Chinese General's men || AIMS, w/ AKM type handguard||1998
|-
|''[[Lethal Weapon 4]] || [[Mel Gibson]]|| Detective Martin Riggs || AIMS, w/ AKM type handguard||1998
|-
|}

=== Television ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Situation Critical]]''|| || || ||2007-2008
|-
|}
 

==MPi-KM/MPi-KMS-72==
[[Image:MPIKM72Wood.jpg|right|thumb|none|450px|East German MPi-KM-72 with fixed stock - 7.62x39mm. This was the transitional MPi-KM-72 that still used the wooden lower hand grip from the MPi-KM. These were common from 1965-1972. The Side folding stock was not widely distributed until 1973.]]
[[Image:EastGermanAK MPi-KM-72.jpg|right|thumb|none|450px|East German MPi-KM-72 with plastic stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:East German Mpi-KMS with sling and side-folding stock.jpg|thumb|right|none|451px|East German MPi-KMS-72 with sling and side-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]

The MPi-KM/MPi-KMS-72 are East German license-manufactured versions of the AKM/AKMS. Early versions of the rifles had wooden furniture, but later models have distinctive stippled brown buttstocks and pistol grips. The MPi-KMS also has a side folding single strut "coat hanger" stock, a feature which is shared with the Romanian AIMS rifle. After the German reunification, all variants of the MPi were removed from service, with most rifles being sold as surplus to the militaries of such countries as Finland and Turkey.

Note: The chance of seeing a 100% original East German MPi-K series of rifle in a movie or television show is extremely unlikely. Most of the "East German" AKs that are seen in visual media are regular AKMs using East German Parts kits.

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[The Hurt Locker]] |||| Iraqi police officer || || 2008
|-
|'' [[Battle for Haditha]] |||| Iraqi Army soldiers |||| 2007
|-
|'' [[Lord of War]] |||| Afghan mujaheddin |||| 2005
|-
|''[[Hotel Rwanda]] |||| Rwandan soldiers || || 2004
|-
|''[[Extreme Ops]] |||| Thug || || 2002
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|'' [[GSG-9]] |||| Terrorist ||Folding Stock|| 2008
|}
 

==AMD-65==
[[Image:AMD-65.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Hungarian AMD-65 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AMD63.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Hungarian AMD-63 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AMMS.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Hungarian AMMS - 7.62x39mm]]
=== Specifications ===
(1965 - )

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|3.21}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|847}} (stock extended), {{convert|mm|624}} (stock folded)

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|317}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AMD-65}}
===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Fast Five]]'' || || Zizi's gunmen|| || 2011
|-
| ''[[Memorial Day]]'' || || Iraqi Insurgents || || 2011
|-
| ''[[Underworld]]'' |||||| Mounted on armory rack || 2003
|-
| ''[[I Spy (2002)|I Spy]]'' |||| Gunder's men || || 2002
|-
| ''[[In China They Eat Dogs]]'' || || A gangster || || 1999
|-
| ''[[Death Wish V: The Face of Death]]'' || [[Chuck Shamata]] || Sal Paconi || || 1994
|-
|''[[Red Scorpion]]'' || [[Dolph Lundgren]]|| Nikolai Rachenko || || 1989
|-
|''[[Rambo III]]'' ||[[Richard Crenna]]|| Colonel Trautman || || 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]]'' ||[[Sylvester Stallone]]|| John Rambo || || 1988
|-
|''[[Rambo III]]'' |||| Soviet tank crew|| || 1988
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Professionals, The|The Professionals]]''|| || Quinn || "A Man Called Quinn" , PSO-1 scope || 1983
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]]'' || || || Used by Ocelot Unit, unobtainable || 2004
|-
| ''[[Alliance of Valiant Arms]] || || || || 2007
|-
|''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]''||||||AMD-63||2010
|-
| ''[[Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker]]'' ||"ADM63"|| || || 2010
|-
| ''[[Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker]]'' ||"ADM65"|| |||| 2010
|-
|}

 

==FEG NGM-81==
[[File:FEG-NGM 81.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Hungarian FEG NGM-81 with original PKM style flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]
The Hungarian FEG NGM-81 was a domestic rifle based on the indigenous Hungarian AK74, but built for export. For that reason, it was chambered in 5.56x45mm, though some 5.45x39mm variants exist. The Rifle was built between 1981-1990. The original rifles were only offered with a fixed butt and a wooden fore-end, made in the same Hungarian Blonde wood as the SA-85M export rifle. The folding stock version of this rifle was called the NGV-81. Due to Cold War prohibitions against Combloc weapons within the U.S. (except those exempted by treaty), the vast majority of the export NGM-81 rifles went to Europe and Africa. Most versions omit the large [[PK machine gun|PKM]] style flash hider, opting instead for the standard AK-47 style muzzle nut. The FEG NGM rifle was noteworthy in that it kept the AK-47/Type 56 style of gas block system, with the gas relief holes in the gas tube, not the gas block (as is the case with the AKM and later style rifles). The Gas block itself and the front sight is the AKM style in shape and the rifle takes a Hungarian stamped metal 5.56mm magazine similar but not identical to the Wieger style AK magazine.

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Casino Royale]]'' || || Nambutu Embassy Guards || || 2006
|-
| ''[[Sahara (2005)|Sahara]]'' ||[[Steve Zahn]] || Al Giordino || || 2005
|-
| ''[[Sahara (2005)|Sahara]]'' ||[[Matthew McConaughey]] || Dirk Pitt || || 2005
|-
| ''[[Hotel Rwanda]]'' || || Rwandan Army soldiers || || 2004
|-
| ''[[Hotel Rwanda]]'' |||| Rwandan Army soldier || fitted with Krinkov conversion || 2004
|}
===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Ultimate Force - Season 4|Ultimate Force]]'' || || Various soldiers and terrorist|| || 2006
|}
 

==Romanian WASR==
[[Image:WASR2.jpg|thumb|right|450px|A US imported Romanian WASR-2 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:Wasr3c.jpg|thumb|right|450px|A US imported Romanian WASR-3 - 5.56x45mm]]
A Romanian AK clone modified to accept single stack magazines for American import. Chambered in 7.62x39mm (WASR-10), 5.45x39mm (WASR-2), and 5.56x45mm (WASR-3). Most variants had their magazine wells adapted to take standard high capacity magazines, by the distributors.

=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Derailed (2002)|Derailed]]'' || || Terrorists|| || 2002
|-
| ''[[24: Redemption]]'' || || Sangalan Rebels || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Television ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[The Walking Dead - Season 3|The Walking Dead]]''||[[Melissa McBride]]||Carol Peletier||"Seed" (S3E01)||2010-????
|-
|}
 

==Bulgarian Arsenal AR==
[[Image:BulgAR.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BulgAR-F.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-F - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:AR-1F.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-1F - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BulgarianAR-SF.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-SF - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:ARSENAL-AR-M1.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-M1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:Arsenal 7.62mm AR-M1.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-M1F - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Arsenal 5.56 ar-m4sf.jpg|thumb|right|450px|Arsenal AR-M4SF - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
The '''Arsenal AR''' is the name given to the Bulgarian manufactured AK clone (Built by the Bulgaria gunmaker ''ARSENAL JSCo.''). These modern day copies of the AK-47 have milled receivers and are chambered in 7.62x39mm and 5.56x45mm in various configurations. As time goes on, Arsenal JSCo. builds more variants for export as civilian, military and law enforcement models.
=== Specifications ===
( - Present)

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO, 7.62x39mm

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|Bulgarian Arsenal AR}}
===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[36th Precinct]]''|| || Robber || w/wood furniture ||2004
|-
|''[[District B13]] || || Henchman || 5.56x45mm AR-SF model with [[AKS-74U]] flash hider and handguard || 2006
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]] || North Korean Soldiers || || 7.62x39mm AR model mocked-up to resemble Norinco Type 56 ||2006
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]]|| || Navy SEALs and North Korean Soldiers || 7.62x39mm AR-F model mocked-up to resemble Norinco Type 56-1 ||2006
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]]|| [[Nicholas Gonzalez]] || Lieutenant Robert James || 7.62x39mm AR-M1F model fitted with AKS-74U muzzle brake ||2006
|-
|''[[Behind Enemy Lines II: Axis of Evil]]|| [[Matt Bushell]] || Master Chief Petty Officer Neil 'Spaz' Callaghan ||7.62x39mm AR-M1F model fitted with AKS-74U muzzle brake ||2006
|-
|''[[Hitman (2007)|Hitman]] || ||Russian Alfa Commandos || 7.62x39mm AR and AR-F models || 2007
|-
|''[[Transporter 3]] || || Ukranian Special Security Forces || 7.62x39mm AR model || 2008
|-
|''[[Day of the Dead (2008)|Day of the Dead]] || [[Nick Cannon]] || Salazar || 7.62x39mm AR model with custom muzzle brake and thumbhole stock || 2008
|-
|''[[Day of the Dead (2008)|Day of the Dead]] || [[AnnaLynne McCord]] || Nina || ||2008
|-
|''[[Day of the Dead (2008)|Day of the Dead]] || || US Army soldiers || 7.62x39mm model mocked up as [[M16A2]] ||2008
|-
|''[[Day of the Dead (2008)|Day of the Dead]] ||[[Jean-Claude Van Damme]] || Himself || ||2008
|-
|''[[JCVD]] || || 5.56x45mm NATO variant || || 2008
|-
|''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] || || US Army soldiers || 7.62x39mm model mocked-up as [[M16A2]] || 2009
|-
|''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] || [[Mike Pyle]] || Capt. Kevin Burke || 7.62x39mm model mocked-up as [[M16A2]] || 2009
|-
|''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] || [[Jean-Claude Van Damme]] || Luc Deveraux || 7.62x39mm model mocked-up as [[M16A2]] || 2009
|-
|''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] || [[Andrei Arlovski]] || NGU || 7.62x39mm AR model with bipod and ACOG scope || 2009
|-
|''[[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] || [[Aki Avni]] || Colonel Petrov || 7.62x39mm AR model || 2009
|-
|''[[Tournament, The (2009)|The Tournament]] || [[Bashar Rahal]] || Asa Sadi || Mocked-up as [[M16A2]] || 2009
|-
|''[[Tournament, The (2009)|The Tournament]] || || Assassin || 7.62x39mm AR-F model || 2009
|-
|''[[Devil's Double, The|The Devil's Double]] || || Iraqi boy || SAR-M1 with wood furniture || 2011
|-
| ''[[Taken 2]]'' || || Guard ||AR-SF (5.56x45mm) || 2012
|-
|}

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Alarm für Cobra 11 - Die Autobahnpolizei]] || || Various criminals || 5.56x45mm AR-M1 model fitted with [[AK-47#AK-47|AK-47]] front sight and furniture || 1996 -
|-
|''[[Alarm für Cobra 11 - Die Autobahnpolizei]] || || Various criminals || 5.56x45mm AR-SF model fitted with [[AKS-74U]] handguard || 1996 -
|-
|''[[Strike Back: Project Dawn]] || || Terrorist || 5.56x45mm AR-M4SF model|| 1996 - 2011
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="230"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
|''[[F.E.A.R. 3]]|| || w/ R.I.S., fore-grip, reflex scope and skeletal butt-stock ||Unusable, 7.62x39mm AR model || 2011
|-
|}
 

==Romanian AK Draco Carbine==
[[Image:Romanian-Draco-Carbine.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Romanian AK Draco Carbine with AIMS folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Romanian AK Draco Pistol.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Romanian AK Draco Pistol - 7.62x39mm. This is the domestic pistol that is sold in the U.S.]]
[[Image:PM md. 90 Krinkov.jpg|thumb|right|400px|PM.md.90. Non-export carbine upon which the AK Draco is based. Main differences are different furniture and 3-position selector switch - 7.62x39mm]]
=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Carbine

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|000}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|000}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|000}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box magazine

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AK Draco Carbine}}
===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Ronin]]'' || ||Bodyguards |||| 1998
|-
| ''[[Taxi 2]]'' || ||Yakuza Guard ||AIMS-style wire-frame folding stock || 2000
|-
| ''[[The Foreigner]]'' || [[Steven Seagal]] |||||| 2003
|-
| ''[[Home of the Brave]]'' || ||Insurgents ||AIMS-style wire-frame folding stock || 2006
|-
| ''[[Assault, The (L'Assault)|The Assault (L'Assault)]]''|| ||Terrorists|| ||2010
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Killing Floor]]'' || "AK47" || || AIMS-style side-folding stock || 2009
|-
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Flag]]''|| Ru-Pou's followers |||| 2006
|-
|}
 

==Radom-Hunter==
The '''Radom-Hunter''' is a Polish "sporterised" version of the AKM.
[[Image:Radom Hunter.jpg|thumb|401px|right|Radom Hunter - 7.62x39mm]]
===Specifications===
(???? - ????)

* '''Manufacturer:''' [[Fabryka Broni Radom]].

* '''Type:''' Sniper Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|5.185}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|1015}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|508}}

* '''Capacity:''' 5 (Any AK-type magazine)

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|Radom-Hunter}}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Referred as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[Cold Zero: The Last Stand]] || Radom-Hunter || || || 2003
|-
|}
 

==AKU-94==
[[Image:Pix545892796.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AK variant in AKU-94 bullpup kit - 7.62x39mm]]
The AKU-94 is a bullpup conversion kit (built and originally sold as a kit by K-VAR) for the AK type rifle, Both the European style AKs (like the Romanian AKs or Egyptian Maadis) and the Chinese style of AK rifle (Type 56) can fit into the kit. In the Mid-2000s, KVAR stopped making and selling the AKU-94 conversion kit. All remaining kits were purchased by Century Arms International, and subsequently used to 'spruce up' AK rifles with a futuristic bullpup look. Currently various imported AK rifles (mostly WASRs) with kit installed, is sold by Century Arms International. This bullpup configuration retains the standard barrel length but the design makes the AK rifle more compact making it more suitable for close quarters battle.

=== Specifications ===
( - )

* '''Type:''' Assault Rifle

* '''Caliber:''' 7.62x39mm

* '''Weight:''' {{convert|kg|000}}

* '''Length:''' {{convert|mm|000}}

* '''Barrel length:''' {{convert|mm|000}}

* '''Feed System:''' 30-round box mag

* '''Fire Modes:''' Semi-Auto/Full-Auto

-----
{{Gun Title|AKU-94}}
=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[The Town]]'' ||[[Slaine]] || Albert 'Gloansy' MacGloan || red dot sight|| 2010
|-
| ''[[Interceptor (Zapreshchyonnaya Realnost), The|The Interceptor (Zapreshchyonnaya Realnost)]]'' || || Kurylo's special forces soldier || || 2009
|-
| ''[[Soldier]]'' ||[[Kurt Russell]] || Sgt. Todd || Dressed up as futuristic weapon, with Surefire universal weaponlight and C-More red dot sight || 1998
|-
| ''[[Soldier]]'' || || Soldiers || Dressed up as futuristic weapons with Surefire Universal weaponlight and C-More red dot sight || 1998
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'' || [[Robert Beltran]] || Chakotay || "Nemesis", Dressed up as alien weapons || 1997
|-
| ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'' |||| Kradin soldiers || "Nemesis", Dressed up as alien weapons || 1997
|-
| ''[[X Files, The|The X Files]]''|||| ||"First Person Shooter" , ACOG scope || 2000
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''As'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Medal of Honor: Warfighter]]'' || AK-103 Bullpup || w/ various attachments || || 2012
|-
|}

==Firing Replicas of the AK-47==

===Bollywood Replica AK-47===

Commonly seen in [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Bollywood Bollywood] productions due to Indian firearms restrictions, these replica AK-47s are designed to fire blank ammunition and are most likely custom fabricated by Indian armorers. Virtually all "AK-47s" seen in Bollywood movies (excepting films made with the help of the Indian military) will be such blank-firing replicas.

[[File:BollywoodAK.jpg|thumb|right|450px|AK-47 replica, commonly seen in Bollywood productions. Photo from Ekta Enterprises.]]
===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| ''[[Shootout at Lokhandwala]]'' || || Criminals and Mumbai Police || || 2007
|-
| ''[[Tango Charlie]]'' ||[[Ajay Devgan]] || Havildar Mohammed Ali || || 2004
|-
| ''[[LOC Kargil]]'' || || Pakistani Soldiers || || 2003
|-
|}
 

==Non-Firing Replicas of the AK-47==
===Hudson AK-47===

The most common of all movie AK-47s in scenes where a real firearm was not used, is the all metal Japanese "Hudson AK-47". Hudson, a replica gun company like Model Gun Corp. (MGC) made many metal replicas in the 1970s and 1980s.

[[File:HudsonAKS47Folder.jpg |thumb|right|450px|Hudson AK-47, a Japanese Replica firearm based on the original Type III AK-47, seen here with AKS-style underfolding stock]]
 

=See Also=
* [[Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant]] - A list of all firearms manufactured by Izhmash.
{{AK}}
[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Rifle]]
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]
[[Category:Bullpup|AKU-94]]
[[Category:Carbine]]

Talk:Uzi

2012-04-29T10:56:16Z

Littlesoldier1: /* UZI's first look */

== Additional Variants ==
[[Image:Richard burton uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|IMI Uzi used by [[Richard Burton]] in the film ''[[The Wild Geese]]''. One of four identical Uzis used on set. Photo courtesy of the Long Mountain Outfitters]]
[[Image:Imi-mini-uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|IMI Mini Uzi - 9x19mm]]

==A 100% MPM2008 Image page==
Thank you , thank you! You're too kind! The Uzi page is a 100% IMFDB licensed image page. I've managed to shoot all the pics from my gun inventory. If there is any image of a certain variant missing, drop me a line on this page. But I'm writing down the Uzi page as a 100% MPM2008 Image page! :D
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you think you could scare up a pic of an Uzi with a fixed wooden stock, like those seen in ''[[Stripes (1981)|Stripes]]''? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I got a wooden stock already, but it's covered in sooty ugly grease. Gotta clean it before I install it. Ugh. Not looking forward to that one.... :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry about the Mini-Ero add but I don't think that there's a single Mini-Ero in the US. Then again I have seen the strangest things in Class 3 Dealers vaults. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

==Uzi Pistol==
Would you mind makeing a note in the Micro-Uzi section that there is an Uzi pistol that is identical except for being semi-automatic only and missing the folding stock?[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

:Done. We still call the Uzi Pistols "Micro Uzis" because those are what you see in most action movies, except converted to full-auto. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for putting that out as we are an informaional site and we deal in movie related firearms knowlege.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

==Title==
Should the title of this page be changed to "Uzi Sub-machine gun Series", or something like that? --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 10:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
*Would make it needlessly awkward to link to the page, I'd think. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Well, not if it redirects from just "Uzi" --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 11:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Several questions ==

I feel kinda dumb asking this, but for the other Uzi variants that are chambered in .45 ACP, .22 LR, and .41 AE, does there exist any images of such variants? Or have any of these variants been used in films? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 00:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
:: I doubt the .41 AE and the .22 isn't very likely either, but the .45 variant has probably been used in a few movies. I also bet it wouldn't be too hard to find a picture of one. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]]

== UZI's first look ==

Hi everyone.
I was thinking,is UZI looked the same as it looks now in 1950?
Was there some kind of prototype?
Wow,found one already.
Interesting.It looks so.. modern.And that's just 5 years after the WWII was over!
Impressive. ;) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 05:56, 29 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Uzi

2012-04-29T10:54:05Z

Littlesoldier1: /* UZI's first look */ new section

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

2012-04-04T15:07:17Z

Littlesoldier1: /* P226 vs. HK USP */

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==Screen-used SIG-Sauer Pistols==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' - 9x19mm.]]

==Additional Variants==
===P226===
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]
[[Image:p226_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R fitted with a weaponlight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226 tacops.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R Tactical Operations - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226RNAVY.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, older model with traditional trigger - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG P226 Combat TB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Combat TB - 9x19m ]]
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer 226 X5 Competition Model - 9x19mm]]

:- Question: In what year did the rail become standard on the P226 so that it was just called P226 rather than P226R? Or is it still called P226R?--[[User:Suceress2|Suceress2]] 11:39, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

::I remember them becoming available around 2004/2005, and then being standardized shortly after (probably by 2006 or so). SIG was still putting out non-rail P226s as recently as 2007 (which is when I first started looking to buy a P226), but they haven't been available since then. Also, the rail was introduced first on the P226 Tactical before it became a standard feature on all 226s and other SIGs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:43, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:::The last P226 without the rail was the P226 SAS (a dehorned DAK gun), which was discontinued in 2008. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:53, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

===P228===
[[File:SIG228Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 with stainless slide]]

===P229===
[[Image:sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229 with two-tone finish and Crimson Trace grips 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]

==P245==
I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

Uhm,I'm just wondering.What is that small thing, which is near safe button? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 12:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Gonna have to be more specific. Are you talking about the magazine release or the slide release? or are you talking about the takedown lever? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:And whats the safe button? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:04, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Modern Sigs do not have an external safety. The controls are from the front as follows: Take down lever, hammer decocker for da/sa models (hole if DAK model), and slide release. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
:Generally true, but there are a few single action only variants of the P220 along with the P226 X-Five that have no decocker, and a frame mounted safety behind the slide release. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:19, 19 January 2012 (CST)

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

They could be useful but SIGs look so much better without them. And there's nothing wrong with the Harries technique in my opinion if you need a flash light. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:11, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

1. The SAS pretty much covers the rail-less Sigs. 2. As I own a 229(R) the rail isnt bad for texture. Really causes no problems holstering. If you dont like the look I dont know what to tell you. Having the rail standard is a good idea because it gives you the OPTION to put a light or laser on your gun. 3. Carrying a light in your off hand will work but putting the light on your gun is a much sturdier option letting you still have full control of your firearm with both hands and the added benefit of the light. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

I agree with you on all of these points. We were speaking purely of the aesthetic value of the rails. I'm sure some some people like the looks of them, and personally don't think they're THAT bad. I just feel that SIGs, especially those with the new one piece, snap on grips, look much better without them. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:07, 9 February 2012 (CST)

== P239 Slide ==

As far as I can tell, there are two different slide designs for the P239, the first being the one similar to the P228 that is seen on the gun images for this page, but then you also have a design similar to the P229 that can be seen on the pages for [[Chuck]] and [[Nikita (2010)]] for example. Does this indicate different manufacture date, or does the slide change with calibre? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:23, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::I think the slide changes as to whether its a 9mm or 40 cal. The reason why the 228 was discontinued in favor of the 229 was that they couldn't make the 228 strong enough to take 40 cal and the 'marketplace' expected any 9mm to be available in .40 SW as well. So I believe the frame can take the stresses of both 9mm and 40 cal and (obviously) the barrel and slides are different. :) Of course, now I expect someone out of the blue to completely prove me wrong .... sigh....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:52, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::I believe that is right, just remember that the slides are reversed in the 239 (half serration = 9mm, full serration = 40SW or 357SIG) compared to the 228/229. Also the frame of the 228 is slightly smaller than that of the 229, and old model 229's in 9mm have a slightly smaller frame than those in 40SW, though, if I understand it right, the new model 229's (full cocking serration) use the same frame for both 9mm and 40SW. The size does not make that big of a difference unless you try to put E2 grips onto a 228, where the size difference will prevent them from fitting (unless you got a late model 228 that used 229 frames). Hope that helped rather than confused. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 07:42, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Thanks, that helps. Assumed it was calibres as the SIG website has current pics of both types, but assumed it was the same way round as P228/P229 and wondered why the most common version in TV is .40 rather than 9mm. Second part has thrown me though, as didn't realise that P229s now had full height serrations. Is there anyway (from a distance without examining frame thickness) to tell the difference between a current P229 and a P228R? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:02, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::::The new P229's have the E2 grip which is smaller than the old grip, lack grip screws, and are one piece as opposed to the older 2 piece model. But since the P228R uses a P229 frame and E2 grips can be attached to older P229 frames, and the new P229's can still have the old grip style swapped in if the user so desires, there is no real way without holding it or seeing the stamp on the slide to know for sure.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 10:25, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::::The extractor on the new P229 is much larger than before.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

== Broken links ==

Although more correct, when [[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] put "-Sauer" into the titles for the different guns it now means that all of the redirects, like [[SIG-Sauer P226]], don't go to the correct section anymore, along with any links that are in articles (such as <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki>) that lead to a particular section. I take it there is no way to fix the second problem short of going through every single article and changing it is there? Also, why do we put the dash in SIG-Sauer, as far as I can tell the actual company name is either SIG SAUER, or SIG Sauer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:You are right about the title, they never refer to themselves as "SIG-Sauer" but "SIG Sauer". And, right again, theres no way to fix the redirect problem :( --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:29, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::I thought that when SIG joined up with Sauer they put a hyphen between their names. Also, the little thing at the top of the page says that we should put a hyphen.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::You could always just edit the redirects... Go to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] page and change where it redirects... I've already done it for the P226 (try the link and see for yourself). Shouldn't be that difficult. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:51, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:commando552 and I were not talking about the <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> redirect, but the pages like [[The Negotiator]] or [[XXX]] where the longer <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> hyperlink is used. Those now redirect to the top of the page instead of the P226's section. And the only way to fix them is to change them on every page that uses this hyperlink. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:47, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::What he said. I know the first problem is fixable like you said, was going to edit the redirects earlier but didn't in case the name changed again. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:43, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:My bad. Though I will say that this is a perfect reason why using this style: <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> is a bad idea (not saying it was your guys fault or anything, just saying that its a good reason to avoid that type of coding). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Wow, my bad guys, I didn't know it would jack up all the redirects. What if we reverted the page back, but added a note at the top of the page stating that the proper name has the Sauer in it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:We should strive to be as correct as possible. If it's right, it's right. I'm willing to put in the legwork. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:00, 17 January 2012 (CST)

== P239 & P245 ==

Considering the name of this page is '''P220 pistol series''' shouldn't these guns be on their own page? Thoughts? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 20:22, 9 February 2012 (CST)
:Both the P239 and P245 belong to the P220 line. The P245 is a compact P220 that was replaced by the P220 carry, and the P239 is a compact, single-stack pistol that uses the P220 configuration.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:16, 9 February 2012 (CST)
::Gotcha. Thanx! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:18, 10 February 2012 (CST)

== Splitting up this page ==

I wanted to get some feed back on the idea of splitting up this page. I completely understand why the page is all together. These guns are all based on the same frame, etc. That being said, each model has its own variants. The P226 for example has at least 10+ variants, P226 Tactical, P226 X-Five, P226 Navy, etc. etc. It might be nicer to have each of these guns with their own page.

'''IF''' that were to happen this page could be converted into a disambiguation page that list's all the guns that are members of the series. Also, each individual page could mention that the gun is part of a larger series and could have a "See Also". Just food for thought... I would love to hear what people think. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 02:50, 11 February 2012 (CST)

:I'm all for it, as there are some variants that appear in film/TV and we don't even have a picture of them. The downside to splitting this page up is that all the links for the SIG line will be broken, unless there is some all-magical admin power I don't know about.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:56, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

== P228 Picture ==

I believe that this was mentioned before, but the picture of the P228 looks odd. It bears many resemblances to my UHC Spring Airsoft P228, including the trigger, hammer, trigger pin placement, and even warps in the slide and frame. Even if the picture is not an airsoft replica, it does not do the P228 justice. I know how much work it is to find a good P228 to photograph, and then even more work getting the photo right. The picture now looks oddly misshapen, especially around the hammer and trigger guard. If you compare it to the picture of the two-tone P228 on this talk page, the differences are visible --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:35, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

:It's not an airsoft P228, I don't think. It has the exposed top of the barrel milled down, which is part of the blank-fire conversion process for SIGs (and many other handguns). This means that it's a blank-adapted movie gun. It's MPM2008's gun and his picture, so you can ask him how it ended up looking the way it did. He did tell me a while ago that he would look for another 228 to photograph, but he hasn't gotten around to it yet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:52, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

== P226 vs. HK USP ==

I know,that SIG's are very reliable pistols.But I also have read about USP stress test,where it was frozen and saltwatered and all other heavy conditions.
So I wonder,which of these 2 pistols is more reliable?
:Not reliability per se, but I would say that a USP is more durable than a P226. The P226 uses an alloy frame (on most models) as opposed to the USP which has a polymer frame with steel inserts. The steel inserts are more resilient than the alloy frame which will wear out quicker and need replacing sooner (probably after somewhere in the range of 50,000 - 100,000 shots so is still pretty far off in the future).--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:59, 3 April 2012 (CDT)
Reliability and durability are two different things. The SIG wins reliability hands down, as there are little to no instances of them jamming, even with crappy ammo. The USP is also very good, but I have heard of more jams in them. Not many, but still a few more than the SIG. As the USP is a polymer framed gun, it has a higher chance of 'KBing' (kaboom) where parts of the gun (usually the frame) crack, or even fully break in two two while shooting. Glocks in .40 also do this a lot. As far as durability, the two guns are about equal. The SIG has been dragged through sand, saltwater, driven over by a bulldozer, jackhammered, and then frozen in a block of ice and dropped out of a helicopter onto concrete (and still fired), so I'd say that's a pretty durable pistol.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:48, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

Wow! Is there any link for that stress-test? At least as a article?
Couldn't find it yet. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 10:03, 4 April 2012 (CDT)
UPD: I,found it! Good! This gun is immortal!
Really impressed. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 10:07, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

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==Screen-used SIG-Sauer Pistols==
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''.]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Left.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing '''SIG-Sauer P228'''. This weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'', and was carried and fired by [[Clint Eastwood]] in the film. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo; also see their sales page for the weapon, [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00276&Store_Code=TGC&search=228&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:Line of Fire Eastwood Gun Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The '''SIG-Sauer P228''' from ''[[In the Line of Fire]]'' (seen from the right).]]
[[Image:VirtuosityP228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A two-tone '''SIG-Sauer P228''' (9x19mm) with Wilcox Industries UITC laser and barrel compensator, as used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Virtuosity]]''. The weapon pictured here is the actual screen-used gun from the movie, one of four that were made for the film. One of these guns is re-used in the film ''[[Barb Wire]]''.]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00268 Sopranos Tony Soprano Sig 226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This specific gun was the one fired onscreen when he, Paulie, and Silvio kill Pussy in Funhouse (2.13). More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00268&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:IMFDB P00273 Sopranos Paulie Sig P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used SIG-Sauer P228 pistol with non-functional prop silencer - 9x19mm. This live firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[Tony Sirico]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. This gun was fired onscreen in the episode A Hit Is A Hit (1.10) during the scene where Paulie and other members of the Sopranos crew pose as furniture movers and ambush a drug cartel bagman and steal his money. After the hold up, Paulie shoots the man in the head at point blank range before making off with his drug money (IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing the documentation on this gun. Contact them via their website for more detailed images and purchasing information on this item.)]]
[[Image:P00619.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used SIG-Sauer P229 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see[http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00619&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:M&MSSIGP229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Two of the SIG-Sauer P229 pistols used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' - 9x19mm.]]

==Additional Variants==
===P226===
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone01.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A reverse Two-Tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm (identical configuration to the gun from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''; this weapon was assembled and photographed specially for IMFDB by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]).]]
[[Image:p226_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R fitted with a weaponlight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226 tacops.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226R Tactical Operations - 9x19mm]]
[[File:P226RNAVY.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Navy, older model with traditional trigger - 9x19mm]]
[[File:SIG P226 Combat TB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Combat TB - 9x19m ]]
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Two-tone SIG-Sauer P226 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:X-Five-LW-detail.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer 226 X5 Competition Model - 9x19mm]]

:- Question: In what year did the rail become standard on the P226 so that it was just called P226 rather than P226R? Or is it still called P226R?--[[User:Suceress2|Suceress2]] 11:39, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

::I remember them becoming available around 2004/2005, and then being standardized shortly after (probably by 2006 or so). SIG was still putting out non-rail P226s as recently as 2007 (which is when I first started looking to buy a P226), but they haven't been available since then. Also, the rail was introduced first on the P226 Tactical before it became a standard feature on all 226s and other SIGs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:43, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:::The last P226 without the rail was the P226 SAS (a dehorned DAK gun), which was discontinued in 2008. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:53, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

===P228===
[[File:SIG228Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P228 with stainless slide]]

===P229===
[[Image:sig229Stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229 with two-tone finish and Crimson Trace grips 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sig-sauerP229DAK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P229R - 9x19mm (also chambered for .40 S&W & .357 SIG)]]

==P245==
I like the P245. I bought one back in 2000. I owned both the P220 and the P245 for many years and I always found that I shot better with the P245. Eventually traded the P220, but I still have the P245. It's a nice little shooter. But truth be told I did purchase the eight round magazine from Sig. So I guess the P220 Compact just makes more sense. From a business aspect. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

==P228==
I'm a bit confused about the P228. I thought that it has been discontinued for about 10 years. But that the Military uses them and I know that SIG recently came out with a P228R model. So my question is: Is it still being produced or not? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

:The P228R is a limited production run weapon. SIG had lots of surplus P228 slides, so they modified them to fit P229R frames (even though the 229 has always been a bit wider than the 228). As for the military's use of the P228, that's just because they bought so many of them in the 1990s that they still have lots in inventory. But the original, non-rail P228 (the version still seen in most movies today) has been out of production since 2000, when the P229 in 9mm was introduced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok thank you for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== P220 ==
Is the P220 still manufactured in any caliber other than 45 ACP? I know the .38 super and .30 luger variants were discontinued but many nations have adopted the 9mm version for Police and Military use so it seems odd they would have discontinued it, yet SIG-Sauer's websight only lists it as comming in .45. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Everywhere I've looked for info says no. All modern (Railed I assume) P220's are strictly .45 ACP.
Personally I like this line of thinking, a single stack 9x19mm seems pointless when you can get a P226, or a P229 and carry more rounds. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:55, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The Swiss military is a big user of the P-220 pistol. I wonder if they might have their own production line somewhere (as they did with the Luger) and just do not offer them commercially anymore. Also, SIG as the monolith that it once was is no more, having broken up into various other companies: the SIG-Sauer brand, now based out of Germany (and responsible for the P-220-5, P-226, P229, SIG-556, and all other continued SIG-Sauer firearms), and Swiss Arms, the manufacturer of the SIG-550 series firearms (the 550, 551, 552, and 553), and others. It is possible that the Swiss government procured the machinery after the demise of SIG to produce the P/75 (as I believe the Swiss military calls it) and is producing them for their own uses. This seems all the more likely when it is considered that an officer in the Swiss military is given the option of purchasing his own service sidearm once he leaves the military (and thus a finite stockpile might soon quickly expire). Just for information's sake, an enlisted person within the Swiss military is given the option of actually purchasing his own service weapon once he leaves the service (this is done by sending it back to the manufacturer were it is converted to a semi-automatic only rifle and then sent to the former soldier). The Chilean government had its own license to produce these domestcally through FAMAE (according to Ian Hogg) though this seems to have expired and FAMAE now produces a variant of the CZ-75 and the Japanese government also license produced the design at one point (perhaps through Howa Industries), although this too seems to have expired, and this is once again according to Mr. Hogg. Just some potential explanations.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== P6 hammer notch ==

As I actually own a P6, I, as I am sure many other P6 owners have, became curious of and susequently investigated the notch in the P6's hammer. I have heard various reasons for the P6 hammer's notch, including the theory that it was meant to indicate that the gun was dropped or was meant to prevent an accidental firing if it was indeed dropped. Hoever, I have come across another explanation that to me seems a bit more plausible, that it was meant to stick the loop of a retaining holster into, thereby securing the gun into the holster and preventing a drop. To me this seems to be a more potential explanation as who would want to replace a hammer each time the weapon was dropped, espiecially a SIG (not the cheapest of all firearms) and espiecially a model that SIG discontinued quite some time ago. Even finding extra (affordable) magazines for a P-225/P6 is an ordeal, so why would you try and replace a hammer every time somebody might actually drop it. I don't know, but it just does seem the best explanation to me. Also, I do not speak German, so there might be a resource out there that that I cannot utilize that expressly states the reasons for this peculiarity. Once again, just another potential explanation, what do you guys think?[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 15:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Your picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 ==

Your main picture of a SIG-Sauer P228 looks more like a airsoftversion than a real one. The hammer has a slightly different shape than a real P228.

:I don't think it's an airsoft weapon. It was photographed for us by MoviePropMaster2008, who is a movie armorer, so that is a real weapon converted to blank-fire, from his company's inventory. However, he mentioned to me that this particular gun was dropped during a movie shoot and badly damaged, so it had a whole bunch of repairs. He is trying to find a P228 in better condition that he can photograph (preferably, one that was used in a big movie). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Just wondering? ==

Why do many enthusisests and military forces(Navy seals,SAS,ect) perfer this gun? Is it reliability? the different calibers?

Its exceptionally well made and accurate right out of the box, they're durable, there are a variety of options from cosmetic to alternate materials to alternate barrels and rail systems, and there are a wide variety of calibers to choose from. They're solidly built, reliable, and effective weapon platforms. The only real issue is price but if you're buying something that you want to be able to defend yourself with...any time...in any corner of the world.... then the P22# series is a prime choice.
-Double Agent M

Uhm,I'm just wondering.What is that small thing, which is near safe button? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 12:21, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Gonna have to be more specific. Are you talking about the magazine release or the slide release? or are you talking about the takedown lever? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 15:50, 18 January 2012 (CST)
:And whats the safe button? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 16:04, 18 January 2012 (CST)

Modern Sigs do not have an external safety. The controls are from the front as follows: Take down lever, hammer decocker for da/sa models (hole if DAK model), and slide release. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]
:Generally true, but there are a few single action only variants of the P220 along with the P226 X-Five that have no decocker, and a frame mounted safety behind the slide release. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:19, 19 January 2012 (CST)

==Confirmation==
I feel stupid for asking this but just to make sure, SIG-Sauer P220 series guns have decockers but no manual safeties right? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

There are some SIG 220 series that come with manual safeties. The P220SAO comes to mind.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

And I assume the DAK versions don't have decockers. I should have specified that I was wondering about the DA/SA variants. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Ah, there are no manual safeties on non SAO SIGs.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No problemo.

==P228 vs. 229==
What are the differences between the SIG P228 and P229 other than the fact that the 229 comes in .40 S&W and .357 SIG? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

The P226 and P228 were originally manufactured using a stamped-steel slide on an aluminum alloy frame. The P229 consists of a CNC-milled stainless steel slide, typically colored black with a Nitron finish. The P229's milled steel slide was introduced to handle the higher slide velocities created by the .357 SIG and .40 S&W loads, which the stamped slide of the P228 could not handle without the use of a much stiffer recoil spring.
:So stamped vs. milled slide. Alright, thanks. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Quick question about SIGs in films and television==

I understand why SIGs are used by the military, police and weapons enthusiasts but I'm just wondering why they turn up so much in films and TV. Are they easy to convert to blanks and thus is the main go-to guns for armorers or is it SIG doing some covert advertising? I remember in the late 90s to early 00s that Glock had an equivalent presence in film and television. It's nice to see SIGs in action but can't they use a wider range of brands? - [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]]

:In movies and TV, SIGs typically are typically shown in the hands of either FBI Agents (which actually issued them in real life) or military Special Forces (many of which also use them frequently). I would imagine that they are common for this reason alone - there are a lot of movies about elite units and federal agents.

:I don't think it has anything to do with them being easy to convert to blanks, because SIGs have a covered barrel whose lock-up at ejection port needs to be milled down in order for blanks to function reliably (unlike Berettas, which have a reputation for ease of blank conversion due to their open-top slides). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

==SIG-Sauer model used in recent Mythbusters==
I have a short question, in most recent episode of Mythbusters, the trio team testes a myth from Kiss The Girls movie - whether a gun can ignite a room full of gas. They used .44 Magnum, 3rd Gen Glock 17 9x19mm (if I ID'd it correctly) and a SIG-Sauer. The question is what model of SIG-Sauer was used, I'm not sure if it was P239 9x19mm? Also on a side note, they tend to mix the footage of Glock and SIG and also Tory calls the SIG a Glock... (wlw @ 27.11.2010)

== SEALS ==
Does anyone know why the Navy SEALS chose the SIG 226 for their handgun of choice, what handgun it replaced, and why it was chosen over that handgun?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 02:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

When the US held pistol trial to replace the 1911 in the 80's, the final two were the m9 and the P226. The M9 won based on cost alone. The SEALS originally used the M9, but after several catastrophic failures they switched to the runner-up, the 226. That was in the 80's, and they are still using it. Says a lot for SIG... I don't know what the SEALS used before, but I would assume it's some 1911 variant. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 04:19, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:The Navy SEALS also used the Heckler & Koch Mark 23 for a while before switching to the SiG-Sauer P226. Reason being? The H&K Mk 23 was deemed to be a bit of a piece of shit. With a heavy trigger pull and a clunky, unwieldy feel and ability to use, the SEALS kicked that pistol to the curb pretty quick. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 20:53, 4 June 2011 (CDT)
::Form what I heard from people who actually own Mark 23s the trigger pull is better than the USP. :/ I would own a Mark 23 but that's just me, I like big, heavy (actually the Mark 23 only weighs as much as a M1911 handgun), over-engineered weapons that can survive a nuclear explosion. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:15, 5 June 2011 (CDT)

What kind of catastrophic failures was the M9 going through and why didn't other branches replace the M9 with the SIG aside from price?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 17:28, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: The Slides had a tendency to break; officially as a result of the SEALs using hotter rounds than the weapon was rated for.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
::The other branches didn't feel the need to replace the M9, probably because the SEALS have higher standards for their sidearms. Also, the SIGs were extremely durable, you could take them through saltwater, drag them through sand, even pound it with a jackhammer and they would still fire. The other branches didn't use their sidearms nearly as much as the SEALS. Presently the Coast Guard is using the SIG-Sauer P229, and the actual agency NCIS (naval criminal investigative service, pretty much cops for the navy and marines) use P229s as well. Also, I don't know where you live, but if u live in america go on youtube and search for "nutnfancy p226 part 1" its the first one that shows up. He talks about the history of the P226 and its use with the SEALS.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

The SIG P229 is a fine weapon, from my experiance its the best shooting handgun for me. Wonder if the P220 works aswell because I want one.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:36, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== New P226 ==

Has anyone seen the new production line SIG P226s? What do you guys think of the new grips? They've got the same grips that the E2 has now. I like them but I will miss the old P226 grips. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:34, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:I honestly think that I am the only one who does not like them. I like how they try to appeal to smaller-handed shooters, but I think they should have kept the "classic" style availiable as well. I handled a classic P226 with the E2 grips installed, and it just didn't feel right to me. They did this to the P229 (my favorite gun) and changed the slide style as well. I will miss the classic grips. (It feels so weird calling the SIGs I know and love the classic version)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 02:46, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

Being a Brit the closest I get to handling a real gun are my airsoft ones, but if I manage to move to America (which is one of my lifes goals) I'd like to get some real guns. One of them is a SIG Sauer P226 but I prefer the classic unrailed frame. I wish SIG still produced those for sale as well. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:35, 12 June 2011 (CDT)

You can still get the old grips for SIGs. They sell them on their website, and i'm sure that various other distributors bought ass-loads of them to sell. The new grips give more options to a wider range of shooters. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 09:56, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

:I've been thinking about ordering a pair for a while. Even though I can get my hand around my 226's grip just fine (the smaller circumference doesn't matter much to me), I've never liked the texture of the previous generation grips. The E2 grip texture is designed to be a lot like the grips on the very earliest P226s (the checker-pattern grips).

:Also, SIG just introduced the "P226 German", which is a rail frame P226 that has the German-manufactured stamped slide of the oldest model P226s. I might have to get one some day - the old stamped slides are WAY superior to the milled slides that have been standard since the late-90s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:27, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

When I saw the "P226 German" on their website I was hoping it would be a classic P226 without a rail but it has the rail. I don't understand why they don't still produce unrailed framed P226s. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:55, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

I must admit that I thought the same thing when I saw the German on their site. And i'm sure many other people were just as disappointed when they saw the rail... honestly, I can see where they could be useful, but aesthetically I prefer SIGs without rails. Like the P229 SAS, for instance. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:40, 25 July 2011 (CDT)

They could be useful but SIGs look so much better without them. And there's nothing wrong with the Harries technique in my opinion if you need a flash light. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:11, 26 July 2011 (CDT)

1. The SAS pretty much covers the rail-less Sigs. 2. As I own a 229(R) the rail isnt bad for texture. Really causes no problems holstering. If you dont like the look I dont know what to tell you. Having the rail standard is a good idea because it gives you the OPTION to put a light or laser on your gun. 3. Carrying a light in your off hand will work but putting the light on your gun is a much sturdier option letting you still have full control of your firearm with both hands and the added benefit of the light. [[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

I agree with you on all of these points. We were speaking purely of the aesthetic value of the rails. I'm sure some some people like the looks of them, and personally don't think they're THAT bad. I just feel that SIGs, especially those with the new one piece, snap on grips, look much better without them. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 22:07, 9 February 2012 (CST)

== P239 Slide ==

As far as I can tell, there are two different slide designs for the P239, the first being the one similar to the P228 that is seen on the gun images for this page, but then you also have a design similar to the P229 that can be seen on the pages for [[Chuck]] and [[Nikita (2010)]] for example. Does this indicate different manufacture date, or does the slide change with calibre? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:23, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::I think the slide changes as to whether its a 9mm or 40 cal. The reason why the 228 was discontinued in favor of the 229 was that they couldn't make the 228 strong enough to take 40 cal and the 'marketplace' expected any 9mm to be available in .40 SW as well. So I believe the frame can take the stresses of both 9mm and 40 cal and (obviously) the barrel and slides are different. :) Of course, now I expect someone out of the blue to completely prove me wrong .... sigh....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:52, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::I believe that is right, just remember that the slides are reversed in the 239 (half serration = 9mm, full serration = 40SW or 357SIG) compared to the 228/229. Also the frame of the 228 is slightly smaller than that of the 229, and old model 229's in 9mm have a slightly smaller frame than those in 40SW, though, if I understand it right, the new model 229's (full cocking serration) use the same frame for both 9mm and 40SW. The size does not make that big of a difference unless you try to put E2 grips onto a 228, where the size difference will prevent them from fitting (unless you got a late model 228 that used 229 frames). Hope that helped rather than confused. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 07:42, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Thanks, that helps. Assumed it was calibres as the SIG website has current pics of both types, but assumed it was the same way round as P228/P229 and wondered why the most common version in TV is .40 rather than 9mm. Second part has thrown me though, as didn't realise that P229s now had full height serrations. Is there anyway (from a distance without examining frame thickness) to tell the difference between a current P229 and a P228R? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:02, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
:::::The new P229's have the E2 grip which is smaller than the old grip, lack grip screws, and are one piece as opposed to the older 2 piece model. But since the P228R uses a P229 frame and E2 grips can be attached to older P229 frames, and the new P229's can still have the old grip style swapped in if the user so desires, there is no real way without holding it or seeing the stamp on the slide to know for sure.[[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 10:25, 7 October 2011 (CDT)
::::::The extractor on the new P229 is much larger than before.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 16:16, 10 October 2011 (CDT)

== Broken links ==

Although more correct, when [[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] put "-Sauer" into the titles for the different guns it now means that all of the redirects, like [[SIG-Sauer P226]], don't go to the correct section anymore, along with any links that are in articles (such as <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki>) that lead to a particular section. I take it there is no way to fix the second problem short of going through every single article and changing it is there? Also, why do we put the dash in SIG-Sauer, as far as I can tell the actual company name is either SIG SAUER, or SIG Sauer. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:You are right about the title, they never refer to themselves as "SIG-Sauer" but "SIG Sauer". And, right again, theres no way to fix the redirect problem :( --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:29, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::I thought that when SIG joined up with Sauer they put a hyphen between their names. Also, the little thing at the top of the page says that we should put a hyphen.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::You could always just edit the redirects... Go to the [[SIG-Sauer P226]] page and change where it redirects... I've already done it for the P226 (try the link and see for yourself). Shouldn't be that difficult. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 14:51, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:commando552 and I were not talking about the <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> redirect, but the pages like [[The Negotiator]] or [[XXX]] where the longer <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> hyperlink is used. Those now redirect to the top of the page instead of the P226's section. And the only way to fix them is to change them on every page that uses this hyperlink. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:47, 17 January 2012 (CST)
::What he said. I know the first problem is fixable like you said, was going to edit the redirects earlier but didn't in case the name changed again. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:43, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:My bad. Though I will say that this is a perfect reason why using this style: <nowiki>[[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]]</nowiki> is a bad idea (not saying it was your guys fault or anything, just saying that its a good reason to avoid that type of coding). --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)
Wow, my bad guys, I didn't know it would jack up all the redirects. What if we reverted the page back, but added a note at the top of the page stating that the proper name has the Sauer in it?--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:53, 17 January 2012 (CST)
:We should strive to be as correct as possible. If it's right, it's right. I'm willing to put in the legwork. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 22:00, 17 January 2012 (CST)

== P239 & P245 ==

Considering the name of this page is '''P220 pistol series''' shouldn't these guns be on their own page? Thoughts? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 20:22, 9 February 2012 (CST)
:Both the P239 and P245 belong to the P220 line. The P245 is a compact P220 that was replaced by the P220 carry, and the P239 is a compact, single-stack pistol that uses the P220 configuration.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:16, 9 February 2012 (CST)
::Gotcha. Thanx! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 00:18, 10 February 2012 (CST)

== Splitting up this page ==

I wanted to get some feed back on the idea of splitting up this page. I completely understand why the page is all together. These guns are all based on the same frame, etc. That being said, each model has its own variants. The P226 for example has at least 10+ variants, P226 Tactical, P226 X-Five, P226 Navy, etc. etc. It might be nicer to have each of these guns with their own page.

'''IF''' that were to happen this page could be converted into a disambiguation page that list's all the guns that are members of the series. Also, each individual page could mention that the gun is part of a larger series and could have a "See Also". Just food for thought... I would love to hear what people think. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 02:50, 11 February 2012 (CST)

:I'm all for it, as there are some variants that appear in film/TV and we don't even have a picture of them. The downside to splitting this page up is that all the links for the SIG line will be broken, unless there is some all-magical admin power I don't know about.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:56, 20 March 2012 (CDT)

== P228 Picture ==

I believe that this was mentioned before, but the picture of the P228 looks odd. It bears many resemblances to my UHC Spring Airsoft P228, including the trigger, hammer, trigger pin placement, and even warps in the slide and frame. Even if the picture is not an airsoft replica, it does not do the P228 justice. I know how much work it is to find a good P228 to photograph, and then even more work getting the photo right. The picture now looks oddly misshapen, especially around the hammer and trigger guard. If you compare it to the picture of the two-tone P228 on this talk page, the differences are visible --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:35, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

== P226 vs. HK USP ==

I know,that SIG's are very reliable pistols.But I also have read about USP stress test,where it was frozen and saltwatered and all other heavy conditions.
So I wonder,which of these 2 pistols is more reliable?

Talk:Sleeping Dogs

2012-03-24T13:45:58Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Commercial? */

== Commercial? ==

I'm not totally 100% sure that this page should stay up because these live action screenshots are from a trailer to the videogame and not actual gameplay. This was similar to the elaborate commercial for [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3|Modern Warfare 3]], but those screenshots were just added to the discussion page and not on the main game page. I would welcome some more opinions on this. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

There is already a gameplay trailer out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBFOidzHOo --[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 03:03, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

== Unknown Pistol ==
The unknown pistol is probably P226 or P228. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 08:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Sleeping Dogs

2012-03-24T13:45:30Z

Littlesoldier1:

== Commercial? ==

I'm not totally 100% sure that this page should stay up because these live action screenshots are from a trailer to the videogame and not actual gameplay. This was similar to the elaborate commercial for [[Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3|Modern Warfare 3]], but those screenshots were just added to the discussion page and not on the main game page. I would welcome some more opinions on this. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

There is already a gameplay trailer out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBFOidzHOo --[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 03:03, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

The unknown pistol is probably P226 or P228. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 08:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-03-10T22:17:19Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Glock */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess it could appear in a flashbacks.But I really doubt it. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 11:30, 6 March 2012 (CST)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

The revolver is now listed as a Smith and Wesson Model 10. I beg to differ. There was never a Model 10 that was produced that had a shrouded ejector. The closest to it would be to that is the "Heavy Duty" or the Model 20 (essentially the same thing).

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
Is it me or does it look like the G18 has a hammer on it? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

Interestiing. :)
I think it's some sort of texture fail,or.. hm.That's definitely looks weird. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 16:17, 10 March 2012 (CST)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional...
Very reliable Weapons, both G36 and FX-05, but I would have chosen the newer Taurus ART-556 Carbine."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

== Desert Eagle ==

I don't think the handgun Max is holding in the "MAC-11" page is a PT92. I'm pretty sure it is the Desert Eagle.

[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max with a MAC-11 and a PT92 AFS.]]

- [[User:1morey]] March 6, 2012 4:21 PM (EST)
:It used to be a picture of a MAC-11 and a PT-92, but warejaws uploaded a new version of it, turning it in to one of a Desert Eagle and Mini-Uzi.-protoAuthor 16:25, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Talk:Collateral

2012-03-07T05:37:31Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Train Scene */

== Colt 9mm SMG ==

Can't speak to it's use in the US but Mexican tourist police carry them. - Nyles
: They are issued to DEA agents from what I know. Some police stations are issued them as well. -GM

::If you ever find pictures of Department of Energy security teams from immediately after 9/11, you will see quite a few of these in use. As best I know, though, they've mostly replaced their 9mm subguns with M4s, same as most LE tactical units nowadays. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

==Vincent's Holster==
With many people wondering what Vincent's holster is, I took some shots to help everyone out.
[[Image:Vincent'sHolster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A zoomed in shot of Vincent's inside the waist holster when he draws it on the robbers.]]
[[Image:Vincent'sRig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here's zoomed shots of both his holster and his mag holders.]]
[[Image:CollateralVincent'sHolsterISW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vincent's holster when the cab crashes.]]

Hope this helps someone I.D. them. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

It sure helped me ID that Tom Cruise wore some tight freaking pants!

According to the DVD commentary, Tom Cruise used a serpa holster for the USP. So maybe he used one for the movie as well.

Those mag carriers are nice, Got 3 of them because of this movie and love them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

What mag carriers are those?

According the the HKPro forums, a member contacted Mick Gould, the firearms instructor for the film, about the holster. The holster he used in training was a example of a Yaqui Slide type holster. But, the holster in the film was custom made, and Cruise kept it after filming. I can add some credit to this, as I've searched through almost every hoslter maker with a website, and found nothing even remotely similar. But, of course, this is the internet, and people can say whatever they want.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 18:39, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==The Train Scene==

when the lights come back on after the shootout, vincent, who has lost so much blood that his fine motor skills are beginning to deteriorate, does appear to have a full mag in his holders. when the movie cuts to the mag hitting the floor, even in stadard definition one can see that there are bullets in the mag. i am fairly certain that the cut is not of an empty mag hitting the floor, but vincent has dropped his last full mag and realizes that that he has been beaten. i know that this is a gun info site however i thought showing the correct sequence of events might be of some importance.
::You can see the plastic red follower on the top of the magazine, an obvious indication it is empty. He also searches his belt for a long time to find a spare magazine. You should keep in mind he took the guards 5906 but no spare mags, so he didn't have anything to reload with anyway. I believe Mann commented on this in the DVD commentary but I might have to go back and check. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::''I always thought that Vincent had been going to reload, but dropped his one spare as a result of involuntary loss of control of his support hand, because he looks like he's got something in his hands right before he pitches forward and the camera cuts to the magazine hitting the floor.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Gunmaster for pointing that out. at the time i wrote my original comment, i was unaware of the red followers as my S&W 1006 has white ones and my 4506 has black followers. looking at the frame and watching the movie again i can see the follower, not a cartridge.

*Originally, in the script, he actually WAS to have another mag, but fumbled. That was changed, though.-protoAuthor 04:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

well if he did fumble on that reload , wouldnt there be two magizines on the floor . the only one that hits looks like the one he had spent .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

I always thought that Vincent picked up the guards gun cause he lost his in the car crash. when he emptied it in the shootout he instinctively reached for another mag to reload but realized he didnt have mags for that gun. - EVNASH

that is why he took the guards gun, but i think he realised he was wounded, was out of magizines, and gave up--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

It's a little hard to catch, but if you listen to the scene, you can hear the empty magazine hit the floor before just before he reaches for a new one and the scene cuts. So, he does have one more magazine in his holders, and he does fumble the reload, but the armorers for the film left the last mag empty, probably as a safety precaution.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 18:34, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

That was movie editing, he would have been diving for it if he had one. You can see him check both holders and come up surprised he
didn't have a spare. I've done it myself at the range once. (Same magazine holders too.)--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

Wow, I forgot about this little discussion. I have to politely disagree FIVETWOSEVEN. I will explain why. Michael Mann is a director who has developed a notorious reputation for paying attention to every minute detail. For instance, in Collateral, as Vincent dies, the train passes a very large tree. This was added in purposely for dramatic effect, the real train route never passes such a tree. This is something that almost no one will ever consciously know the dramatic effect of. So, why would Mann, who actually oversee's the edit of the film, leave such a mistake? I'm not trying to start an argument, as in reality is doesn't really matter. The dramatic effect of the scene remains the same no matter if he dropped his last full magazine or he didn't have another left. The unstoppable Vincent has been bested by the average nobody Max.[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 22:48, 6 March 2012 (CST)

Oh, guys! Your great discussion now makes me wanna buy this movie in my small collection, also I want to watch it again. Thanks! :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 23:37, 6 March 2012 (CST)

== Just bought the movie ==
Man(n), this movie is awesome. -protoAuthor 18:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Ruger Mark II ==

The Ruger mark II is used t kill Daniel the club owner. After that it is never seen again, so I'm assuming Vincent put it in his briefcase which Max threw off the bridge, which is why it's never seen again. This became clear when in the train scene Vincent reaches for a magazines off his holders but he is fresh out, if he had his Ruger he could of used that. Also Vincent must of reloaded his Smith & Wesson 5906, so I guess it must use the same ammunition as a USP-45 either that or the security guard must of had spare clips. Could someone please verify this- thank you.
:Well, seeing as the 5906 is a 9mm and the USP45 is a .45, he must have gotten the MAGAZINES (not clips) from the security guard. That's an interesting point about the Ruger, though. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:13, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
:He didn't ever reload the S&W. He only fires 1 mag. He didn't take any mags.-protoAuthor 03:03, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Plus he uses one at Fever and loses the other after the car wreck. You can see it fall off.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:15, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that the magazine that drops is a spare magazine. Why would a well trained assassin take someone's gun but not spare ammunition for it just in case? The magazine doesn't look empty that drops and he is shot on the side of the body which his hand he uses to get the spare magazines from is on. Plus the way it is edited makes me think that it slipped out of his hand. He isn't a robot, if he didn't take spares he would know that he doesn't have any spare magazines and would not try to reload. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That mag that dropped was from the gun and was empty, also there are alot of people that don't carry a spare magazine and this guard may have been one of those. http://www.kyimports.com/images/smw15rd5906.jpg--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Well Vincent is a bit stupid then, but then again he did get killed by a cab driver lol. That to me is poor editing as well, surely if they would have meant that to be the ejected magazine the shot of it hitting the floor should have come before the one of him reaching for another one. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 00:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

== Final shoot out. ==

In this article, it offers what appears to be a very assured explanation of the final shootout at the end of the movie. It claims that Vincent lost the battle because of his failure to change his killing pattern, blindly following the same method he uses to kill all his targets. I think that this theory is incorrect. Don't you think a hitman as experienced and capable as Vincent would know enough to change his method when it is clear it wouldn't work? While Vincent prefers to shoot his victims with the two-in-the-chest, one-in-the-head method, I'm sure that this tactic is used when he deems it appropriate, and I'm sure a man like Vincent, as intelligent as he is, would not stupidly follow this pattern when it obviously wouldn't work. When a metal door is blocking a clear shot of his target, I'm sure Vincent would know better than to shoot at the door itself, and take advantage of the situation and try to shoot through the windows.

How can a trained hitman like Vincent, lose against Max who has no training what so ever shooting single-handed when Vincent used both hands and fired with a good grip on the gun ? ([[AceV]])

:Lucky shot? But yeah, I get it, that last scene was a bit stupid when clearly a trained professional wouldn't just shoot at a metal door. He should have waited for Max to shoot and empty his gun since Vincent knows Max is an untrained taxi driver. I'm also wondering since Vincent lost his primary weapon, shouldn't he have a back up? He is an ex-military, special forces kind of guy after all. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

well, vincent had (kind of) a back up gun, his ruger markII. It was in the bag, which max threw down the bridge and was crushed by the truck.

Well, Vincent was pretty pissed off at the end, what with being shot in the head and all. That may have clouded his judgment of situation a bit. --[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 19:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Well it pissed me off, Vincent spent the whole movie, killing people, people who have actually at least touched a gun and then all of a sudden an untrained cab driver just comes and kills him, in a a shoot out, not from behind or anything a shoot out, that was dissapointing. ([[AceV]])

Just because he's skilled at killing people doesn't mean Vincent is indestructable, and just because Max never touched a gun doesn't mean he's going to fall over and die at the first stiff breeze to come along. People die all the time and they don't go out in a blaze of glory, it just happens, that's life. Besides, the whole scene at the end was about Vincent not changing his routine. The way he still reaches for magazines even though he's carrying a different weapon, how he goes for the mozambique drill even though there's a big steel train door between him and Max instead of shooting through the glass, etc. For all his talk of improvisation he was too set in his ways and couldn't prepare for a cab driver.

i agree with what the aformentioned says. in stead of adapting to the situation, he went with what he knew. which was the mozambique drill , which turned out to be his downfall in the end.[[simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

It goes along with what Vincent was preaching to Max about earlier; to adapt and evolve to your surroundings. Vincent relied on the Mozambique drill he had perfected, even when he didn't have a clear shot on Max. Max clumsily shot around in multiple directions, increasing his chances to hit his unseen target. Max was able to evolve, Vincent wasn't. There's also some argument to the idea of a chaotic outcome, in that in the movie when Max steps out in front on the train for the last time to face Vincent, he closes his eyes as well as fireing the weapon with no regard for his aim other then the single direction towards Vincent. This is confirmed by the director Mann in the movies commentary, in fact Mann goes on to say the only reason Max succeeds is because the character closes his eyes and throws the dice so to speak. Again going back to the idea of improvisation, Max was willing to take the gamble where as Vincent played the safe bet, and the outcome was in Max's favor.

I'd say Vincent got something called "paralysis by analysis". When you have the mechanics of something well figured out its best to just let it happen. Choking occurs when people who know better start thinking too hard about what they need to do. The added pressure forces your brain into a state called "paralysis by analysis" where the "working memory" part of your brain literally stops working, and the more talented you are the more working memory you have meaning the harder the failure. --[[User:Devang.dn|Devang.dn]] 23:23, 22 March 2011 (CDT)

During the movie, the lights went out when they both opened fire, Vincent shot his first two using the Mozambique Drill, then he fired off the last few rounds in the magazine.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 17:19, 29 February 2012 (CST)

== Slight comment overhaul ==
I did some work praising the good gun work on the movie, you guys like it?-protoAuthor 04:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

No

Ralph pls go.--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 11:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice.--[[User:Spikemonkey|Spikemonkey]] 18:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

=="the first gun we see"==
It says "Detective Fanning (Mark Ruffalo) draws the first gun we see, a Smith & Wesson 4516 in .45 ACP". This is not true. the First gun we see is Vincents USP when he pulls it on max after el gordo falls out the window onto the taxi and max freaks out.

== Ruger Mark II ==

Why would the suppressed shots be louder than the guys head hitting the table? In case you didn't know, suppressors were made to make guns quieter. Even in a confined space, a silenced .22 with sub-sonic rounds (that's probably what Vincent would have used anyway, condidering that he's a hitman and cared enough to use a silenced pistol anyways) is ''very'' quiet. I have also shot a silenced .22 (a Ruger 77/22 bolt action, although this was outdoors so maybe the sound didn't travel as much, but that's not the point) and it was very quiet. With a bolt action gun it's even quiter since the bolt doesn't move with each shot. But anyways, the only sound a suppressed Ruger mark II would make (and made in the movie) is a slight click when the action cycles. This would have been quiter than a slamming head, unless he had a really fatty forehead. --[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 22:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Also, if the guy's head had hit the table, he would have knocked over glasses, and knocked the table to the ground, which is MUCH louder than any suppressed gunfire.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 22:52, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

A sub-sonic round in a .22 cal would not be able to cycle the action of a semi-auto, so if he shot more then once he wasnt using sub-sonic, ergo, the bullet would be over the sound barer and create that ol' classic crack of the round discharging. But for movie sake they we're probably just making the gun sound cooler. [[Spades of Columbia]]

:My Ruger Mk II cycles fine with sub-sonic rounds, and I didn't modify it at all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Making Vincent is so resourceful he has a modded Ruger that has a weaker spring that cycles when shot with sub sonics. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

The point was to explain why the "suppressed" gun was loud, not how it could in some way or another shoot a sub-sonic round. If that was the case a person could easily argue that he was using a 1050fps sub-sonic rd which in some guns can feed without modifacation instead of the normal 710fps round. [[Spades of Columbia]]

Yeah but (and correct me if I'm wrong) wouldn't he have shot him from such a close range that the bullet wouldn't have been able to break the sound barrier? Also, I agree with FIVETWOSEVEN on the theory of the modified spring. --[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 02:20, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

You've been corrected because your wrong...the powder burn would have been spent by the end of the barrel which uses the twist rate to fully bust its velosity, meaning, its pretty much going its top speed by the end of the barrel and the crack noice is usually signifying the bullet has left the firearm...combined with the noice of a all-steel action clanking together as it cycles the next round make a "Silenced" pistol, not so silent. [[Spades of Columbia]]

What do you mean the "normal" 710 fps round? That would be a CB Long or Short, not a normal round. Also watch this vid of a guy using an integrally suppressed Ruger Mark II with standard velocity ammo; I hear no crack. http://suppressorbuyersguide.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1235373509s
And note that this suppressor is even shorter than the one that Vincent had, making it even less effective and yet still cycling and being very quiet with standard velocity ammo. --[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 03:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

You are very much correct sir. You did indeed prove me wrong on that one...but originally i was trying to explain why it might have been so loud in the movie for being silenced...any thoughts on that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

probably a decision made by the sound guys. Most people want to hear that distinctive chirp so they know, "oh hey, his gun had a silencer on it." Just playing into the audience's preconceptions.

Question for everyone: take a close look at the picture with the street thug holding the pistol to Max's head. It looks more like a Walther PPK or PPK/s. I own a couple so I'm familiar with the details on the rear of the slide and this photo looks more Walther than SIG. Could be just the way it looks, but it seems that way to me.

Its a SIG, look at the extractor. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention the cocking serrations. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.244|98.118.59.244]] 23:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

What does Vincent finally do with the SIG ? I'm pretty sure he retrieves it from the thug. Does he lose it along with the rest of his belongings ? - Devang

He didn't pick it up, he picked up Max's wallet.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

In my experiance, Micheal Mann doesn't dubb the gunshots. All of the gunshots are very realistic in this film. Also regarding the supressed shots, they were in an open club. I think the sound of his head smahing the plates would have been more suspicious than three small sounds. A waitress would have gone to pick up a broken glass or plate, so I think Vincent was more interested in how much ground he could ut between himself and the club before someone realizez that Dainel didn't just pass out from a drin or something like that. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 17:24, 29 February 2012 (CST)

==Fanning==
How come when Detective Fanning enters Ramon's apartment he draws his gun one handed and clears the entire apartment one handed? Wouldn't most trained cops clear a room with both hands on their weapon?

One word, Preference.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

He was still undercover at the time, so he didn't want to look like a cop. -[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]

actualy he wasnt undercover . Ramon was an informant . i agree with 527.-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Hes actually a Detective.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 05:07, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

My problem is that his finger is on the trigger the whole time. Seems unsafe if you are looking for an informer. --[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]]

No, Fanning's not the informant, he's going to the home of the informant who Vincent just shot and sent through a window. The trigger on the finger thing is a bit unprofessional but in a stress induced situation, you sometimes forget [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Ramon was a Federal witness. It's been a while since I've seen the film but I got the impression that Fanning was an undercover narcotic's officer judging by the fake accent when he is asking for Ramon and his appearance. I assumed he was undercover trying to bust Ramon. Like I said though it's been a while since I watched it. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:12, 3 April 2011 (CDT)

Hes Not a witness, Hes An Informant, Fanning Is LAPD, If He was A Federal witness, He Would Be In Witness Protection With The U.S. Marshals. Fanning When To See His CI (confidential Informant), Saw Signs Of A Strugel, IE The Door Being Left Open, No Answer After Repeted calls of His NAme, And Claered The House. He Should Have Kepy His Finger Off The Triger Since There Were No Signs Of exigent circumstances. and Going In One Handed Could Be One Of Two Things. It Was To Hide The Fact That He Is LAPD And Keep Ramon Safe, As [[User:nkingman|nkingman]] Pointed Out, Or, And This Is More Likely, He Just Pulled, And So He Could Pop His Head, And His Gun Hand Out, And Have Hib Body Remain In Cover, Like He Does In The Second To Last Photo.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Simmons did you even watch the film? Everyone that Vincent killed was a Federal witness for the prosecution. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:30, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

I Did Watch The Film, But The Term Federal Is Being Thrown Around To Much. The One Witness I Would Call A Federal Witness Would Be The One At Fever, Because The FBI Was Watching Him. Just Because Your A Witness, Doesnt Mean Your A Federal One. Not To Mention, Fanning Calls Him An Informant.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

They were all witnesses in the same trial. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:42, 13 August 2011 (CDT)

Ramon was an informant. Not a witness. The man in fever was a witness. No one said ramon was going to testify.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

YES THEY DID! In the scene where Fanning meets the FBI outside Felix's club he tells them about Ramon and Pedrosa says that's 3 witnesses so far. Just because you don't pay attention doesn't make what you think so. Nothing annoys me more is people who don't pay attention and then try to tell people who did that they are wrong. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:36, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

Fanning isnt involved in that case. Ramon is still fanning CI. Thats what ties him into this case. Hes trying to find out what happened to his CI. I will admit that ramon was also a witness, if he was a federal witness, i dont understand why he and clark were not being watched by the U.S. marshals or the FBI (which i have no clue why there watching witnesses). When fanning went to see him, it wasnt to see him as a witness. It was to see him as his informant.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Yeah but he was still a witness. Fanning looked undercover to me. How many times do you see in films that local cops are investigating criminals who the Feds have as a witness? The Feds weren't watching the guy in club fever they just knew where he hung out. The guy in club Fever was being watched by his own men that's why it took the Feds so long to get on the scene. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:52, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

The reason i think he wasnt undercover is because he had to keep ramons identity as a CI intact, and he doesnt change how he looked or anything. Also if hed had his badge. I dont know if he did because he is never really seen drawing it from his waist. So in a way he is undercover. And if you are a federal witness, even if you do NOT go it to witness protection, the Marshals watch you. Now that i think about it, not only was the FBI actually watching felix and doing the right thing, but no branch of law enforcement was watching these witnesses.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

If there had been it would have been a very different film as Tom would have had to kill the Marshals at each hit and word would have gotten out. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 03:50, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

Well he handled the guards at fever very well. Id like to think that a former special forces soldier turned private sector mercinary would be able to handle himself in a situation like that.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Yeah but word would have gotten out about Marshals being killed and the Feds would have secured the guy in Fever a lot sooner I imagine. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 09:21, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

True, But i would imagine that vincent would know that they would be there, and be prepaired to deal with the marshals moving the witnesses. I just would have liked to see how it would go down. your from the UK. What do they do with witnesses?--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

No idea. Knowing how screwed up our government is probably just leave them alone until they get murdered. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 11:58, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

That is a great way to deal with witnesses.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Well they dealt with the riots by sitting back and just waiting for people to obey the law again. I feel sorry for the police in my country because no matter what they do they get chastised for it. They shoot a drug dealer who was illegally carrying a handgun and they murdered an innocent man. A guy breaks loose with a shotgun and goes on a killing spree and they aren't using enough force. They are always been called facists by people who don't have a clue about how the world works. I'd love to dump all the people who think the police in my country are corrupt, violent facists in somewhere where the police will kidnap and torture random people at the behest of the dictatorship government and then see what they think of our police. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:33, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

It would be great if the righters all wore [[V for Vendetta| the "V" masks]].Do the poliece in the UK carry handguns? Because i know that when on high alert, they jump right to the MP5, and does the UK have a SWAT/HRT?--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

The rioters weren't making any political point it was just a bunch of pricks who wanted to kick up a fuss. And we have specialised armed response units that are armed. The normal everyday cop on the street isn't armed. The UK has CO19 which is a specialist armed response unit. Normal everyday people did more to stop the rioters than the police did, but it's not the police's fault really it's the government refusing to allow them to do what was necessary until it was too late. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:53, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

Thats the down side to being in law enforcement. If you have to use dealy force, its excesive force, but if the suspect does kill an officer, your not using enough force. The world is such a backwards place. inn the words of [[Jack Nicholson]] as Col. Nathan R. Jessep in [[A Few Good Men]] "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post."--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Good quote. It's a shame that Jessop ends up being a bit mental. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:26, 18 August 2011 (CDT)

At least he isnt a scientoligest.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Umm, you mean scientoLOGIst, right?... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 15:16, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

I mean crazy.--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Now ''that''... I can agree on --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:26, 19 August 2011 (CDT)

Good man. But what did the rioters want?--[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some prat got himself shot and some more prats decided that it was a good excuse to go rioting for no obvious reason --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 08:04, 15 October 2011 (CDT)

== hk 45 ==

Where can You find the new pics of tom cruise hk 45?

Its a USP 45, not a HK45, also it looks like any other USP.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

== Fanning's pistol ==

Fanning is not carrying a S&W 4516 in this movie. If you notice in the first screenshoot of him as he enters the apartment, the frame is contrasted sharply with the slide and guiderod. It has a duller "gray" color. The frame is not stainless, it is anodized alloy. There are no 3rd gen compact 45 guns made by S&W with allow frames other than the TSW and Recon versions (performance center). Fanning's gun doesn't have a rail or a "tactical" or "recon" billboard on the left side of the slide so that rules those out. The shadow of the first screenshot makes the bore look larger than it is but the second screenshot shows it's true size. That is a 9mm bore. Unless someone has some inside knowledge of this film and this is a specially made alloy framed, non-TSW compact 45, it should be changed to a S&W 3913.--[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 05:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the gun is alloy framed and a non-TSW compact. It could be a 3913, but then it could also be a single stack non-TSW 4013. This verison of the 4013 is identical to the 4516, but in .40S&W and with an alloy frame. Also, Fanning's gun has a larger "beavertail" than what a 3913 would have.

The beavertail could be indicative of a 4013 but that would really depend on the size of the actor's hands since we don't have a plain view side shot of the gun itself. The other thing to note is that the magazines he carries (as seen when they first investigate Ramon's murder and the cab crime scene) have staggered holes in them. The 4013 magazine holes are in a straight vertical line but the 3913 magazines have staggered holes. That might not mean anything as the could easily have a 4013 as a prop gun and magazines from any other gun on his hip. --[[User:Luckyluciano|Luckyluciano]] 14:57, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== Officer from near the end of the movie ==

We see the picture of the cop, who is an actual LAPD Officer, holding his issue Beretta, but we can see his thumb layered over his dominant hand. Thats just asking for slidebite. It seems like a poor grip for an actual LAPD officer. -MissySummers-

It all varies on the training. Some guns you can do that all day without slide bite.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:10, 3 December 2011 (CST)

Fair enough. A friend of mine just took classes to obtain his firearms license and they were teaching cup and saucer method as "the best method to control recoil" as i quote from the teacher. -MissySummers-

:lol. XO - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:22, 5 December 2011 (CST)

Yea, the officer is probably an "old timer", that grip was commonly taught back when revolvers were still standard issue.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:15, 9 December 2011 (CST)

His thumb was on his other hand at first, but then he moved it to along the side of the Beretta. Not the best we would expect from the LAPD, but acceptable.

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-03-06T17:31:30Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess it could appear in a flashbacks.But I really doubt it. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 11:30, 6 March 2012 (CST)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional...
Very reliable Weapons, both G36 and FX-05, but I would have chosen the newer Taurus ART-556 Carbine."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Max Payne 3

2012-03-06T17:30:58Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol */

==The Beretta 92FS semi-automatic pistol==
I wonder if it will make an appearance in ''Max Payne 3'' as a usable gun. [[Special:Contributions/203.59.124.247|203.59.124.247]] 12:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I guess it could appear in a flashbacks.But I really doubt it. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 11:30, 6 March 2012 (CST)

==Unidentified guns==
[[Image:Mp3gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3guns2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[Image:Mp3pistol2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Is either an Inox or Desert Eagle]]
:The Pistol Payne is holding in the first picture is an Desert Eagle. I don't know what that shotgun is though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== AK47 ==

I've just re-examined the six released pictures with the visual equivalent of a fine tooth pick, and can't see an AK47 anywhere. All the gangsters clearly have single-handed weapons - though I would put my last buck on there being an AK varient in-game, there is currently no visual proof at all, so I've deleted the section. If someone would point it out to me, I will be more than glad to re-do the AK47 section I've just deleted.
Take care and remember to eat all your veggies. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 02:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
::Appologies everyone, I just been doing some research, and there is a picture of an AK-47 in the Game Informer Magazine's section on Max Payne 3, not the actual released photos. Here is the Link: http://www.gossipgamers.com/max-payne-3-details-high-res-scans/ [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Pictures uploaded by user ''SB2296''. Thanks very much for that my friend. :) [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 21:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

== Taurus PT92 ==
I think the Beretta 92FS's may be Taurus PT92's.Needs confirmation.-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]
[[Image:Mp3deagle92.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Mp3guns1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
*So when did Max turn into Charlie Bronson with a big stupid beard? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:When he went to Sao Paulo to kick some Brazilian Ass and take names that's when.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::12 long years of alcoholism and painkiller addiction and abuse (hah, never though I'd see this day coming. I was thinking that the first time I started playing the Max Payne demo and seeing how many painkillers he consumes), that's when. :D [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
: HEY! Don't bad mouth Bronson. If he were alive to hear you, he would tear your lungs out-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:: Wrong Bronson. I was talking about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bronson_%28prisoner%29 this one]. Stick "Charlie Bronson" (not Charles) into Google and you'll see what I mean in the image results; he is a bald man who is huge and typically has an enormous silly beard. He looks sort of like a real-life Doctor Robotnik. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 16:03, 6 April 2011 (CDT)

:: By the way, I think that's a MAC-11, not 10. Either that or Max's hands are HUGE. -protoAuthor
:::I think it' a Mac-11 too, because of those horizintal lines on the sides of the gun. I'm no gun expert, but I'm sure they're only on a Mac-11 - I was checking what it was just the other day on wikipedia. TC. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 00:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Unknown Revolver ==
[[Image:MP3-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Does anyone know which chrome revolver is that in Max's left hand?Looks like a Taurus but the image is too small to guess the correct one.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:19, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:Could be a Smith & Wesson of sort, or a Colt Police Positive maybe, I would need a bigger pic. :( Wow, is that Max's new model? I guess enough people fussed about the original bald-bearded angry Mexican design. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:07, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
::This game's been in development so long that beardy Max died before he could be in it and this is his brother Ernie. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:37, 17 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Apparently, both Max's are in the game, baldy, and hairy, supposedly hairy Max is in flash backs, but hopefully, baldy Max is only played during an under cover level then you switch back to hairy max, if that's not the case, might as well rename him Bruce Willis. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 03:54, 21 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Actually, now that I've looked at the pics more, I don't see much wrong with his new model (both hairy Max and baldy Max) because I can still see his original face from when he was younger. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:00, 23 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::His face has changed 3 times, i.e in every game max looks different, so I dont recognize him. There are a few new screens on the official max payne 3 page, including the one above but in better resolution... might help to identify the revolver. - Scott, 23. April, happy holidays!!!

My guess is that it is a Smith and Wesson, 44 special; either a Triple lock, or a Hand Ejector III, Model of 1926. Another possiblity is that it is a more modern reproduction 44 Special, a Model 21. It could be a 38/44 Heavy Duty (38 Special), or finally a Model 22 (.45 ACP with moon clips). Those are all the Smiths that have a half moon front sight and a barrel partial underlug (shrouded ejector). Model 10's lack the ejector shroud, and there are no .357's or .44 magnums with a half moon front sight. In fact, no "magnum" capable revolvers at all have a half moon front sight. The gun is also pretty big, representing an N frame. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011.
:My guess is a Smith & Wesson Model 20. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (CDT)
Well the Model 20 is essentially the same as the 38/44 Heavy Duty, but after 1957 it was assigned a Model number rather than the title "Heavy Duty". It fires a .38 caliber bullet but was built on the Hand Ejector .44 Special (N) frame, in order to accomodate the "High Velocity" .38 Special cartridge, which was the precursor to the .357 magnum (hence the term, 38/44). One reason that I don't believe the picture is a Model 21 is that the grip appears to be a square butt, whereas the grip of a Model 21 is round. Axel Kane, 11 May 2011

I studied the picture more closely with it zoomed in. You can make out the size of the bore, and it is undoubtedly a big caliber. This would tend to rule out the 38/44 or Model 20. I would have to go with either a .44 Special or a .45. There are heavy duties out there converted to .45 long colt, however. Axel Kane, 12 May 2011

It could be a .44 Special of 1950, which is a "Pre Model 21", different from the Model 21 in that it has a square butt grip. In any case, it appears to be one of the "Hand Ejector series", characterized by an N frame, "pencil" barrel, half moon front sight, "duty", or fixed, rear sight, shrouded ejector, and a magna style grip with a square butt. Axel Kane, 14 May 2011.

== Glock ==
I changed the G17 to G18 because on the first picture that is clearly a G18. I highly doubt that there will be a G18 '''and''' a G17, especially a G17+G18 akimbo combination. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:11, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, your right, nice catch. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 10:41, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

== Unknown SMG ==

Could that maybe be a [[SIG SG 540#FAMAE SAF|FAMAE SAF]]? Or perhaps the Brazilian version, the Taurus MT-9, considering the setting? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 13:03, 14 September 2011 (CDT)
:I thought it could be a FAMAE as well, but I saw the new trailer "Going After the Girl", and now I don't think so. There are a couple of good shots of this gun in the trailer, and it most closely resembles an MP5/40, although the front site looks like the type found on a FAMAE--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:02, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== 1911 ==

just saw the new gameplay video they released, at about 2:20 to 2:30 you see Max using a 1911 model pistol, i don't know much about guns so i can't identify the specific model, and i don't know how to do a page, so i'll just post the screencap i took, and a link to the video and leave that up to people who are more in the know.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 12:15, 17 November 2011 (CST)

screencap
[IMG]http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/kornflakes89/6461a05d.jpg[/IMG]

link to video
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

:Looks like a run-of-the-mill Colt M1911. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:36, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== unknown handgun ==
I just saw a trailer for the game and in one scene he seems to have a revolver of some sort in his holster. From what I can see of the barrel it appears to be a Colt Anaconda. I don't know how to add photos to this site so here is a link to the video. Go to 3:10 to see the gun.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-and-max-payne-3/723955

== Gotta love the details ==

Just the length Rockstar goes to get the details right, moving slides, realistic shell casings, the bullets themselves, etc.

== Another unknown smg ==
[[File:MaxPayne3SMG.jpg|thumb|none|550px]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:00, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:: Something in the vein of Tec-9... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:11, 4 January 2012 (CST)

:::I looked at a larger version of this screen on Shacknews, and I'm pretty sure the SMGs are Beretta M-12s/Taurus MT-12s, only it appears the foregrips have been removed. I was hoping the Beretta M12 would be in this game, but now I'm kind of annoyed after seeing the cosmetic change made to it. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when game designers modify the appearance of a gun for no good reason. Why do they do this? Is it due to legal reasons?--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 21:46, 5 January 2012 (CST)

== FX-05 Xiuhcoatl==
Are we sure it's not just a deformed G36KV? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:18, 18 February 2012 (CST)
:I think you're right, considering that the name of the weapon in the game is "G6". A rather thinly disguised alteration of the G36 designation!--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:07, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::No, it's an FX05. Which is a G36 in disguise. The safety is the giveaway.-protoAuthor 16:08, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:Upon further looking... Eh... Maybe...-protoAuthor 16:17, 19 February 2012 (CST)
::I'd say deformed G36, personally. Also, the FX05 is not a G36 in disguise, no matter what HK's legal team would have people believe. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:38, 19 February 2012 (CST)
:I guess I should say a G36 Cosplayer or something, since the internals are different.-protoAuthor 19:12, 19 February 2012 (CST)

[[User:Scarlighter|Scarlighter]]
Scarlight/Scarlighter/Scar-Lighter/Scar-L/... says on 25 February 2012, 13:40, Italy (UTC+01:00):

"Maybe it's a hybrid between an H&K G36 of the Bundeswehr (Long Barrel) and a FX-05 Xiuhcoatl (dual row Air Intakes), with the Carrying Handle from an H&K SL8; the real matter is about the Assault Scope, which looks to be from the SL8 or fully Fictional...
Very reliable Weapons, both G36 and FX-05, but I would have chosen the newer Taurus ART-556 Carbine."

== Taurus Revolver ==
I changed the designation of the Taurus revolver from "Raging Bull" to the Model 608. After watching this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxziisVZ4w8 Weapons Trailer] on YouTube it's obvious it's intended to be a Model 608.

Make sure to check out the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpOk2X2Kqc Going After the Girl Trailer] as well. There are good shots of the unidentified submachine gun, which IMO mostly looks like a MP5/40, and there's a shot of gangsters holding the unknown revolver that caused so much debate as to its identity. I also noticed that in a couple of shots the Mini-Uzi has it's stock, while most of the time it's shown without it. So are the developers going to leave the stock on or off? I'd rather it's left on as I think it looks better that way--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 16:48, 19 February 2012 (CST)

== Mini 30 ==

Got a [http://www.rockstargames.com/maxpayne3/weapons/mini30 new weapon] announced.

Talk:Smokin' Aces

2012-03-04T14:03:17Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Elevator Shootout */

Sir Ivy doesn't use a Glock 22 in the lobby while in custody, he uses a Beretta 92F, and the suppressed pistol that Tommy Flanagan's character uses is a EAA Witness, not a CZ.

Ivy uses a glock as well. Jeeves Tremor doesn't use a grease gun though. He uses a Madsen.

jeeves uses a madsen smg during the drive by, not the grease gun.

Scratch that, just watched it again, jeeves clearly uses a Grease gun during the drive by.

Just asking, has the FBI ever been issued H&K USP's before?
:Nope. Its been revolvers forever and now the glock 22s for males and 23s for females. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Actually, the issuing of the Glock 22 & 23 isn't based on gender. It's just based on the agent's preference. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think lester tremors glock 18 is a 17 converted to full auto cus i couldnt see a selector switch on the slide in any of the brief shots in the movie --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Soot (Hugo disguise)

the gun Soot has in the Penthouse is a Sphinx 2000 not an EAA Witness, but it won't let me edit it.

link: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sphinx_2000_1.jpg

==Beretta 21A==
Acosta's Beretta looks more like a Bobcat 21A than a 3032 Tomcat.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Definitely.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 20:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Jam Clearing==
Did anybody else notice that while firing at Messner, Georgia's Glock jams? Instead of covering it up lame-oh movie style, she actually clears the jam 'tap-rack-bang' style and keeps firing without missing a beat! HAWT! --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

==1911==

The Article says that it is a 1911A1 with a "Caspian Recon slide" that's nothing like a Caspian slide I've ever seen. Looks to me like a series 80 with simple Brown grips and and dirtied up to resemble a Vietnam/Korean era 1911A1. Anyone got any information exactly with "Caspian Recon slide" the original writer thought this was meant to be?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Jeeves' revolver? ==

What is the revolver Jeeves pulls out when the Tremors are introduced in the begenning of the movie? And, if you pause at just the right times when Jeeves is trying to kill Sir Ivy with his chainsaw, you can see the grips of what is probably the same revolver. If you can find out, let me know @ http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/User_talk:Logano.

== The Elevator Shootout ==

I know, I know, it's just a movie. And I don't really know about the calibers and their, let's say power.
But I found a bit ridicilous, that when agent Carruthers open fire on a mercenary, he shot more than 3-4 .45 ACP rounds. And the guy wasn't just alive, but was able to fire against. Isn't it quite a powerful round? Wouldn't the mercenary be dead from a 2 or 3 rounds already?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but .45 ACP is famous for it's serious stopping power.
Just curious. :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 15:37, 3 March 2012 (CST)
:'''Some Spoilers in my answer'''; Well, it's just a movie, but if you see it again there are implications that he is very resistant, as when he starts to chewing his fingerprints and apparently does not suffer much pain.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:03, 4 March 2012 (CST)
But how about the stopping power of .45? Or does stopping power means a lot of pain? :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 07:42, 4 March 2012 (CST)

Talk:Smokin' Aces

2012-03-04T13:42:35Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Elevator Shootout */

Sir Ivy doesn't use a Glock 22 in the lobby while in custody, he uses a Beretta 92F, and the suppressed pistol that Tommy Flanagan's character uses is a EAA Witness, not a CZ.

Ivy uses a glock as well. Jeeves Tremor doesn't use a grease gun though. He uses a Madsen.

jeeves uses a madsen smg during the drive by, not the grease gun.

Scratch that, just watched it again, jeeves clearly uses a Grease gun during the drive by.

Just asking, has the FBI ever been issued H&K USP's before?
:Nope. Its been revolvers forever and now the glock 22s for males and 23s for females. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Actually, the issuing of the Glock 22 & 23 isn't based on gender. It's just based on the agent's preference. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think lester tremors glock 18 is a 17 converted to full auto cus i couldnt see a selector switch on the slide in any of the brief shots in the movie --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Soot (Hugo disguise)

the gun Soot has in the Penthouse is a Sphinx 2000 not an EAA Witness, but it won't let me edit it.

link: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sphinx_2000_1.jpg

==Beretta 21A==
Acosta's Beretta looks more like a Bobcat 21A than a 3032 Tomcat.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Definitely.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 20:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Jam Clearing==
Did anybody else notice that while firing at Messner, Georgia's Glock jams? Instead of covering it up lame-oh movie style, she actually clears the jam 'tap-rack-bang' style and keeps firing without missing a beat! HAWT! --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

==1911==

The Article says that it is a 1911A1 with a "Caspian Recon slide" that's nothing like a Caspian slide I've ever seen. Looks to me like a series 80 with simple Brown grips and and dirtied up to resemble a Vietnam/Korean era 1911A1. Anyone got any information exactly with "Caspian Recon slide" the original writer thought this was meant to be?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Jeeves' revolver? ==

What is the revolver Jeeves pulls out when the Tremors are introduced in the begenning of the movie? And, if you pause at just the right times when Jeeves is trying to kill Sir Ivy with his chainsaw, you can see the grips of what is probably the same revolver. If you can find out, let me know @ http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/User_talk:Logano.

== The Elevator Shootout ==

I know, I know, it's just a movie. And I don't really know about the calibers and their, let's say power.
But I found a bit ridicilous, that when agent Carruthers open fire on a mercenary, he shot more than 3-4 .45 ACP rounds. And the guy wasn't just alive, but was able to fire against. Isn't it quite a powerful round? Wouldn't the mercenary be dead from a 2 or 3 rounds already?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but .45 ACP is famous for it's serious stopping power.
Just curious. :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 15:37, 3 March 2012 (CST)
:'''Some Spoilers in my answer'''; Well, it's just a movie, but if you see it again there are implications that he is very resistant, as when he starts to chewing his fingerprints and apparently does not suffer much pain.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 00:03, 4 March 2012 (CST)
But how about the stopping power of .45? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 07:42, 4 March 2012 (CST)

Talk:Smokin' Aces

2012-03-04T13:42:22Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Elevator Shootout */

Talk:Smokin' Aces

2012-03-03T21:39:28Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Elevator Shootout */

Talk:Smokin' Aces

2012-03-03T21:37:04Z

Littlesoldier1: /* The Elevator Shootout */ new section

Sir Ivy doesn't use a Glock 22 in the lobby while in custody, he uses a Beretta 92F, and the suppressed pistol that Tommy Flanagan's character uses is a EAA Witness, not a CZ.

Ivy uses a glock as well. Jeeves Tremor doesn't use a grease gun though. He uses a Madsen.

jeeves uses a madsen smg during the drive by, not the grease gun.

Scratch that, just watched it again, jeeves clearly uses a Grease gun during the drive by.

Just asking, has the FBI ever been issued H&K USP's before?
:Nope. Its been revolvers forever and now the glock 22s for males and 23s for females. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Actually, the issuing of the Glock 22 & 23 isn't based on gender. It's just based on the agent's preference. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I think lester tremors glock 18 is a 17 converted to full auto cus i couldnt see a selector switch on the slide in any of the brief shots in the movie --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Soot (Hugo disguise)

the gun Soot has in the Penthouse is a Sphinx 2000 not an EAA Witness, but it won't let me edit it.

link: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sphinx_2000_1.jpg

==Beretta 21A==
Acosta's Beretta looks more like a Bobcat 21A than a 3032 Tomcat.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Definitely.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 20:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

==Jam Clearing==
Did anybody else notice that while firing at Messner, Georgia's Glock jams? Instead of covering it up lame-oh movie style, she actually clears the jam 'tap-rack-bang' style and keeps firing without missing a beat! HAWT! --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

==1911==

The Article says that it is a 1911A1 with a "Caspian Recon slide" that's nothing like a Caspian slide I've ever seen. Looks to me like a series 80 with simple Brown grips and and dirtied up to resemble a Vietnam/Korean era 1911A1. Anyone got any information exactly with "Caspian Recon slide" the original writer thought this was meant to be?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 05:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Jeeves' revolver? ==

What is the revolver Jeeves pulls out when the Tremors are introduced in the begenning of the movie? And, if you pause at just the right times when Jeeves is trying to kill Sir Ivy with his chainsaw, you can see the grips of what is probably the same revolver. If you can find out, let me know @ http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/User_talk:Logano.

== The Elevator Shootout ==

I know, I know, it's just a movie. And I don't really know about the calibers and their, let's say power.
But I found a bit ridicilous, that when agent Carruthers open fire on a mercenary, he shot much more than 3-4 .45 ACP rounds. Isn't it quite a powerful round? Woudln't the mercenary be dead from a 2 or 3 rounds?
Just curious. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 15:37, 3 March 2012 (CST)

Talk:FN P90

2012-03-01T00:27:44Z

Littlesoldier1: /* What about P90's reliability? */

==Other Variants==

[[Image:Fn p90 3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN P90 Tactical LV with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and suppressor. The LV model is fitted with an integral laser as noted by the plate on the front of the grip, and the laser warning sticker - 5.7x28mm]]

== P90 TR and PS90 ==

Do FN actually offer a TR version? As I understood it, the TR version is a figment of airsoft gunmaker Toyko Marui's imagination which was created to allow them to resume production after the mould for their standard P90 sight block broke. I have seen real P90s with triple rail sight blocks in photos, but described as aftermarket parts. Airsoft P90s are so close to the real thing, and P90s are so rarely seen actually firing on film, that I feel it is likely that all or nearly all P90TRs on film are actually airsoft guns.

With the PS90, I thought that was semi-auto only in factory form, sold as the civilian-legal version of the P90, hence the long barrel, much as an HK94 is to an MP5. I'm not certain about either of these things, so I thought it best to ask the pros before changing the page.

The PS90 is according to FN a Semi-Automatic only weapon. As for the P90TR that is offered by FNUSA as a Standard Production Model.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

: The PS90 is really friggin' front heavy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

::Wasn't when I held it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:33, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

==Magazines==
FN only offers 30 round magazines for the civilian version of this gun but I have heard that the 50 round magazines are fairly easy to find after market. Can anyone confirm or deny this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:I found a few on impactguns and gunbroker, you can also buy directly from their site fnhusa, and I'm pretty sure you can find some from google.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 04:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Still don't understand why they ship with 30 round mags instead of 50. All that happens is the new owner of this gun gets it with the 30 rounder, then buys 50s after that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats the point, if they just gave you a 50rd mag then thats one less thing your gonna buy from em. They can nickel and dime ya to death hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

:But then theres the aftermarket magazines plus the tooling needed to make those magazines. Its really pointless.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==TR==
TR stands for Triple Rail not Tactical Rail as it is on the page. I just checked FNH USA's website it is there. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

How powerful is the 5.7x28mm round anyway? Can it penetrate through your standard bulletproof vest? Or can it also penetrate the more heavier bulletproof vests? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 17:55, 17 March 2011 (CDT)
:The P90 can penetrate through light bulletproof vests (mostly Level II) like those wrapped in Kevlar with ease, but it cannot actually penetrate through the more heavier bulletproof vests. The 5.7x28mm rounds are similar to the 4.6x30mm rounds fired by the MP7. In fact, both the MP7 and the P90 are technically and generally similar in terms of accuracy, compactness, stopping power, and weight (though the P90 is more bulkier than the MP7). The 5.7x28mm rounds are overall powerful, light, and a similar size to the 9mm rounds fired by most submachine guns. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:09, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
::It can actually penetrate a IIIA vest, or the CRISAT target (1.6mm titanium plate with 20 layers of Kevlar) at 200m. Basically, it will penetrate any soft armour and most helmets at this range, but will be stopped by the hard plates used in most military vests. The MP7 has similar penetration. Of course, this only applies to military ammunition, not the civilian stuff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:33, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== Taxi Listing ==

The movie page [[Taxi]] doesn't have a P90 entry, so either it's missing it or the entry for it here needs to be removed. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:41, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== P90 Tactical ==

[[File:P90 tact d 500px.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90 Tactical - 5.7x28mm]]
Firstly, what is the deal with the Tactical model? It is the railed top model listed on the FN Herstal website, but the FNH USA page only lists the TR version. Is the Tactical a Europe only version, or is it just that the US website is "behind the times"?

Secondly, does it deserve its own section? The only show I've found that has used it is [[Nikita (2010)|Nikita]] (only checked the TR section though so could be more), is that enough? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:It seems to be a regular P90 with the reflex scope replaced with a rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:40, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
::That is what it is, but it isn't an aftermarket modification, FN sells it like that as the P90 Tactical as opposed to the regular P90 Standard. They don't appear to offer the P90 TR anymore, this is the only "flat top" model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:36, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
:::Not that it necessarily pertains to this conversation, but the P90 in the P90 TR section with the aimpoint and sound suppressor looks like it could be a Tactical instead of a TR, as the scope is sitting higher and the flashlight seems further back than it should be on the TR. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 06:22, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah that one is a tactical too, easier way to tell is the fact that the top rail is longer than the upper receiver. Also, you can see that it still has the back up iron sights on the side. Thinking about it, the tactical version has the standard back up iron sights on either side of the upper receiver, but it also has another set of back up iron sights inside the flat top rail (not sure if they are flip up or recessed inside) which means it has three separate sets of iron sights. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:21, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== What about P90's reliability? ==

So,what is the P90? I mean, it looks like a perfect weapon to me. It's small, it's light, fitted with 50 nice 5.7x28mm rounds. And what about gun's reliability and stuff? I really love the gun,and.. is it really THAT perfect? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:21, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:FN P90

2012-03-01T00:26:59Z

Littlesoldier1: /* What about P90's reliability? */ new section

==Other Variants==

[[Image:Fn p90 3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN P90 Tactical LV with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and suppressor. The LV model is fitted with an integral laser as noted by the plate on the front of the grip, and the laser warning sticker - 5.7x28mm]]

== P90 TR and PS90 ==

Do FN actually offer a TR version? As I understood it, the TR version is a figment of airsoft gunmaker Toyko Marui's imagination which was created to allow them to resume production after the mould for their standard P90 sight block broke. I have seen real P90s with triple rail sight blocks in photos, but described as aftermarket parts. Airsoft P90s are so close to the real thing, and P90s are so rarely seen actually firing on film, that I feel it is likely that all or nearly all P90TRs on film are actually airsoft guns.

With the PS90, I thought that was semi-auto only in factory form, sold as the civilian-legal version of the P90, hence the long barrel, much as an HK94 is to an MP5. I'm not certain about either of these things, so I thought it best to ask the pros before changing the page.

The PS90 is according to FN a Semi-Automatic only weapon. As for the P90TR that is offered by FNUSA as a Standard Production Model.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

: The PS90 is really friggin' front heavy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

::Wasn't when I held it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:33, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

==Magazines==
FN only offers 30 round magazines for the civilian version of this gun but I have heard that the 50 round magazines are fairly easy to find after market. Can anyone confirm or deny this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:I found a few on impactguns and gunbroker, you can also buy directly from their site fnhusa, and I'm pretty sure you can find some from google.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 04:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Still don't understand why they ship with 30 round mags instead of 50. All that happens is the new owner of this gun gets it with the 30 rounder, then buys 50s after that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats the point, if they just gave you a 50rd mag then thats one less thing your gonna buy from em. They can nickel and dime ya to death hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

:But then theres the aftermarket magazines plus the tooling needed to make those magazines. Its really pointless.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==TR==
TR stands for Triple Rail not Tactical Rail as it is on the page. I just checked FNH USA's website it is there. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

How powerful is the 5.7x28mm round anyway? Can it penetrate through your standard bulletproof vest? Or can it also penetrate the more heavier bulletproof vests? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 17:55, 17 March 2011 (CDT)
:The P90 can penetrate through light bulletproof vests (mostly Level II) like those wrapped in Kevlar with ease, but it cannot actually penetrate through the more heavier bulletproof vests. The 5.7x28mm rounds are similar to the 4.6x30mm rounds fired by the MP7. In fact, both the MP7 and the P90 are technically and generally similar in terms of accuracy, compactness, stopping power, and weight (though the P90 is more bulkier than the MP7). The 5.7x28mm rounds are overall powerful, light, and a similar size to the 9mm rounds fired by most submachine guns. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:09, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
::It can actually penetrate a IIIA vest, or the CRISAT target (1.6mm titanium plate with 20 layers of Kevlar) at 200m. Basically, it will penetrate any soft armour and most helmets at this range, but will be stopped by the hard plates used in most military vests. The MP7 has similar penetration. Of course, this only applies to military ammunition, not the civilian stuff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:33, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== Taxi Listing ==

The movie page [[Taxi]] doesn't have a P90 entry, so either it's missing it or the entry for it here needs to be removed. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:41, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== P90 Tactical ==

[[File:P90 tact d 500px.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90 Tactical - 5.7x28mm]]
Firstly, what is the deal with the Tactical model? It is the railed top model listed on the FN Herstal website, but the FNH USA page only lists the TR version. Is the Tactical a Europe only version, or is it just that the US website is "behind the times"?

Secondly, does it deserve its own section? The only show I've found that has used it is [[Nikita (2010)|Nikita]] (only checked the TR section though so could be more), is that enough? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:It seems to be a regular P90 with the reflex scope replaced with a rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:40, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
::That is what it is, but it isn't an aftermarket modification, FN sells it like that as the P90 Tactical as opposed to the regular P90 Standard. They don't appear to offer the P90 TR anymore, this is the only "flat top" model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:36, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
:::Not that it necessarily pertains to this conversation, but the P90 in the P90 TR section with the aimpoint and sound suppressor looks like it could be a Tactical instead of a TR, as the scope is sitting higher and the flashlight seems further back than it should be on the TR. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 06:22, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah that one is a tactical too, easier way to tell is the fact that the top rail is longer than the upper receiver. Also, you can see that it still has the back up iron sights on the side. Thinking about it, the tactical version has the standard back up iron sights on either side of the upper receiver, but it also has another set of back up iron sights inside the flat top rail (not sure if they are flip up or recessed inside) which means it has three separate sets of iron sights. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:21, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== What about P90's reliability? ==

So,what is the P90? I mean, it looks like a perfect weapon to me. It's small, it's light, fitted with 50 nice 5.7x28mm rounds. And what about gun's durability and stuff? Z really love the gun,and.. is it really THAT perfect? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:21, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:FN P90

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Littlesoldier1: /* P90 Tactical */

Talk:FN P90

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Littlesoldier1:

==Other Variants==

[[Image:Fn p90 3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN P90 Tactical LV with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, and suppressor. The LV model is fitted with an integral laser as noted by the plate on the front of the grip, and the laser warning sticker - 5.7x28mm]]

== P90 TR and PS90 ==

Do FN actually offer a TR version? As I understood it, the TR version is a figment of airsoft gunmaker Toyko Marui's imagination which was created to allow them to resume production after the mould for their standard P90 sight block broke. I have seen real P90s with triple rail sight blocks in photos, but described as aftermarket parts. Airsoft P90s are so close to the real thing, and P90s are so rarely seen actually firing on film, that I feel it is likely that all or nearly all P90TRs on film are actually airsoft guns.

With the PS90, I thought that was semi-auto only in factory form, sold as the civilian-legal version of the P90, hence the long barrel, much as an HK94 is to an MP5. I'm not certain about either of these things, so I thought it best to ask the pros before changing the page.

The PS90 is according to FN a Semi-Automatic only weapon. As for the P90TR that is offered by FNUSA as a Standard Production Model.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

: The PS90 is really friggin' front heavy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

::Wasn't when I held it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:33, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

==Magazines==
FN only offers 30 round magazines for the civilian version of this gun but I have heard that the 50 round magazines are fairly easy to find after market. Can anyone confirm or deny this? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:I found a few on impactguns and gunbroker, you can also buy directly from their site fnhusa, and I'm pretty sure you can find some from google.--[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 04:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Still don't understand why they ship with 30 round mags instead of 50. All that happens is the new owner of this gun gets it with the 30 rounder, then buys 50s after that.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 00:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats the point, if they just gave you a 50rd mag then thats one less thing your gonna buy from em. They can nickel and dime ya to death hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

:But then theres the aftermarket magazines plus the tooling needed to make those magazines. Its really pointless.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:09, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==TR==
TR stands for Triple Rail not Tactical Rail as it is on the page. I just checked FNH USA's website it is there. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

== Question ==

How powerful is the 5.7x28mm round anyway? Can it penetrate through your standard bulletproof vest? Or can it also penetrate the more heavier bulletproof vests? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 17:55, 17 March 2011 (CDT)
:The P90 can penetrate through light bulletproof vests (mostly Level II) like those wrapped in Kevlar with ease, but it cannot actually penetrate through the more heavier bulletproof vests. The 5.7x28mm rounds are similar to the 4.6x30mm rounds fired by the MP7. In fact, both the MP7 and the P90 are technically and generally similar in terms of accuracy, compactness, stopping power, and weight (though the P90 is more bulkier than the MP7). The 5.7x28mm rounds are overall powerful, light, and a similar size to the 9mm rounds fired by most submachine guns. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:09, 16 September 2011 (CDT)
::It can actually penetrate a IIIA vest, or the CRISAT target (1.6mm titanium plate with 20 layers of Kevlar) at 200m. Basically, it will penetrate any soft armour and most helmets at this range, but will be stopped by the hard plates used in most military vests. The MP7 has similar penetration. Of course, this only applies to military ammunition, not the civilian stuff. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:33, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

== Taxi Listing ==

The movie page [[Taxi]] doesn't have a P90 entry, so either it's missing it or the entry for it here needs to be removed. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:41, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== P90 Tactical ==

[[File:P90 tact d 500px.jpg|thumb|400px|none|FN P90 Tactical - 5.7x28mm]]
Firstly, what is the deal with the Tactical model? It is the railed top model listed on the FN Herstal website, but the FNH USA page only lists the TR version. Is the Tactical a Europe only version, or is it just that the US website is "behind the times"?

Secondly, does it deserve its own section? The only show I've found that has used it is [[Nikita (2010)|Nikita]] (only checked the TR section though so could be more), is that enough? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:54, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:It seems to be a regular P90 with the reflex scope replaced with a rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:40, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
::That is what it is, but it isn't an aftermarket modification, FN sells it like that as the P90 Tactical as opposed to the regular P90 Standard. They don't appear to offer the P90 TR anymore, this is the only "flat top" model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:36, 17 August 2011 (CDT)
:::Not that it necessarily pertains to this conversation, but the P90 in the P90 TR section with the aimpoint and sound suppressor looks like it could be a Tactical instead of a TR, as the scope is sitting higher and the flashlight seems further back than it should be on the TR. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 06:22, 17 September 2011 (CDT)
::::Yeah that one is a tactical too, easier way to tell is the fact that the top rail is longer than the upper receiver. Also, you can see that it still has the back up iron sights on the side. Thinking about it, the tactical version has the standard back up iron sights on either side of the upper receiver, but it also has another set of back up iron sights inside the flat top rail (not sure if they are flip up or recessed inside) which means it has three separate sets of iron sights. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:21, 17 September 2011 (CDT)

So,what is the P90? I mean, it looks like a perfect weapon to me. It's small, it's light, fitted with 50 nice 5.7x28mm rounds. And what about gun's durability and stuff? Z really love the gun,and.. is it really THAT perfect? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:21, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Glock pistol series

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2 Glocks (.45?) play prominet roles in the movie "Fracture" starring Anthony Hopkins. Don't know the model so I didn't edit the main page ([[Special:Contributions/80.121.38.199|80.121.38.199]] 18:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC))

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==Other Glock Variations==
===Screen-Used===
[[Image:IMFDB P00261 Sopranos Tony Soprano Glock 19.jpg|thumb|none|350px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used by actor [[James Gandolfini]] in '''[[The Sopranos]]'''. More detailed images and purchasing information on this item can be found at [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00261&Store_Code=TGC&search=Sopranos+Glock&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= here].]]
[[Image:P00650 Glock Full Left.jpg|thumb|350px|none|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]''', and was carried by [[Will Ferrell]] in the film. The gun is accompanied by the Galco belt holster also used in numerous scenes throughout the film.]]
[[Image:P00613.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Screen used Glock 19 - 9x19mm. This blank firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun has been modified to fire blank rounds only. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=P00613&Store_Code=TGC&search=Salt&offset=0&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= this link].]]
[[Image:MattDUlt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|The actual screen-used 3rd generation Glock 17 - 9mm from ''[[The Bourne Ultimatum]]''. This weapon was actually handled and fired by [[Matt Damon]]. Note the damage on the rail.]]

===Other Images===
[[File:Glock17ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 with 33 round magazine.]]
[[File:Glock17stainless ext.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 fitted with stainless slide and 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:Glock_12892-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 OD Green - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Evolution.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Suppressed Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BruniGAP-178mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Bruni GAP Glock 17 blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank]]
[[Image:Glock17RAM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 RAM - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:CAA.Tactical-RONI-G1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 - 9x19mm mounted in a CAA Tactical RONI-G1.]]
[[Image:Pistol Austrian Glock 18 with 31 round magazine.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Glock 18C with a 19 and 31 round magazine - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Glock22left.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Glock 22 (2nd Generation) left side - .40 S&W.]]
[[Image:G17-1x400.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Glock 17 3rd Generation with SureFire x400 attachment and extended 19-round magazine - 9x19mm. Similar to the gun used by [[Shemar Moore]] in ''[[Criminal Minds]]'']]
[[File:Saliant Arms glock 34.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Salient Arms International Glock 34 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Gen2 G19C.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Gen2 Glock 19C - 9x19mm]]

== Longslide versions get their own Glock Model Numbers? ==

It seems kind of odd to me as to why variations of Glock pistols available with longer barrels have their own unique model numbers. Many gun websites I've been to don't seem to list such customizations with their own unique model numbers (except maybe in inventory listings or the like), but rather just mention that a particular model of pistol has a longer barrel version available. Is such a practice just for convenient reference? To satisfy customer preferences? Or for some other reason?

By the way, I appreciate all the hard work the people here have done in identifying the various Glock pistols used in the media on this site. I'd find it pretty hard myself, since barring obvious visual differences like how to tell a full-size Glock from a subcompact one apart, I wouldn't be able to tell a G17 from a G22 without seeing the number on the slide in a movie, for instance, since they look substantially the same. Something like trying to tell a G22 from a G20 would also be quite difficult without hearing a character in a movie say its caliber out aloud or seeing the number on the slide, since they are chambered for similarly-sized cartridges. I don't think its entry on the date of this comment is correct--the real-life US Marshals use Glocks chambered for .40 S&W, not 10mm Auto.

About the only exception to the aforementioned practice on Glock's end is the Glock 20, which apparently now has a factory-made longslide version (not the aftermarket ones), but to my knowledge does not have a unique Glock model number. Can someone fill me in on this? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== The "Glock invisible"-nonsense ==

Here's what [[Hugh Laurie]] (yes, the "House M. D."-guy) had to say about that in his novel "The gun seller":
"You may have read, at one time or another, some of the nonsense that’s been written about the Glock. The fact that its body is made from a fancy polymer material got one or two journalists very excited a while back about the possibility that the gun might not register on airport X-ray machines - which happens to be so much hooey. The slide, barrel, and a fair portion of its innards are metal, and if that weren’t enough, seventeen rounds of Parabellum ammunition are pretty hard to pass off as lipstick refills. What it does have is a high magazine capacity for a low weight, great accuracy, and virtually unequalled reliability. All of which have made the Glock 17 the choice of housewives everywhere."
Dr. House, I couldn't agree more.
--[[User:Lastgunslinger|Lastgunslinger]] 22:39, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I have to admit that my whole perspective of Glock changed when they sued Smith & Wesson over the Sigma. I mean, they make more money from their handguns than any other company in the world and then they go and sue someone. The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all. I see the similarities but they are easily telled apart. Not a cool thing to do Glock, I wish you hadn't stooped down like that.

== 'Resembles Every Handgun' ==

"The Glocks design is so simple it resembles every handgun, you might as well sue them all."

It only resembles every handgun, because almost every brand has a Glock copy now. There wasn't anything like it back in 1982 when it was released. Back then its main competitors were the 1911, S&W 39, Berreta 92 and various wheel guns. Gunner313
Not to mention that S&W didn't just copy the Glock design they cloned it with parts that would fit into a Glock body, with potentially disastrous consequences.

A copy is a near exact of something. The S&W Sigma is the only Glock copy. The rest are just polymer pistols.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I think he mans that is so genaric and non-descript in apperance that it has gained the status of being the genaric
icon for "pistol" among the populous, especially laymans.
An example being that I asked my parents (who know nothing of guns) to draw their interpretation of a pistol, what they drew was inescapeably a glock-like design.
I think this is because its basically just a rectangular prism with a very simple handguard on it, also its common use by police give it a good possition in the public eye even for those who avoid movies and other media for whatever reason.
Compaired to other self loading pistols the only competition I can see it having is the Beretta 92 serise of guns, also yes I think your point is very valad - other companies making sudo-glocks means that their image is even more common and that the layman will associate the image of a glock less with glocks and more with the term "pistol".
- annon

==Durability==
:Does anyone else find it ironic that Glock's are nigh indestructible but feel really fragile?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 23:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
The Glocks I've fired, for the most part, don't feel extremely fragile. Sure, they don't have that 'all metal heft' that some other handguns have, which makes them lighter, and conceivably more fragile feeling, but none of mine have never felt like they would shatter if I dropped them. I might be misunderstanding what you mean, though. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:It just about takes a nuclear blast to destroy one, but at the same time it feels like I could cruch it with my bare hands-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I've never noticed them feeling fragille, but that could be because I can't get over how friggin' UNCOMFORTABLE they are to hold. I'm not trying bash glocks here, they just don't fit my hand. At all.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

==Catastrophic Failure ==
The Portland, Oregon police department stopped offering the .45 Glock 21 as an option for Officers to carry on duty after two incidents in which the weapons exploded in the hands of the range master during testing. Afterwards reports came in from across the country of similar incidents with the Glock 21. Do all Glocks chambered for powerful cartridges (.45, 10mm) have this problem or is it just the Glock 21? Furthermore do all Glock 21s have this issue or were these just a few rare accidents? I don't particularly like Glock pistols but never considered them dangerous (at least to the user) before hearing about these incidents.
-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Hmm. Given the problems that PPB has given Glock in the past (back in the early nineties they commented that "PBB is one of those customers we can't seem to ever make happy") I'm not surprised they blame the company rather than themselves. They also refused to fly to Smyrna to allow Glock to examine one of the pistols; they also refused to allow Glock to remove even one of the allegedly defective pistols for lab tests. The PPB also failed to submit either of the pistols for independent testing, despite stating that it would.

If there was a design flaw it would have shown up '''long''' before now. Glock has ~65% of the US LEA market, mostly in .40 and while the "Short and Weak" isn't nearly as powerful as 10mm Auto, it's generally loaded to higher pressures than .45 ACP

I've used the G20 and G29 (both chambered for the far more powerful 10mm Auto round) for years and haven't had a gun explode or do anything worse that FTE when used with poor ammunition. A few years back we torture tested one with 15,000rds in a single day, it didn't explode.

It's not just .45 and 10mm. I've personally seen a glock 17 explode with factory ammo. Not a pretty sight. --[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 00:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Portland Police and its standards ==

The Portland Police Bureau is a strange department. I've known experienced officers who have tried to get on with the PPB only to be told that they didn't meet Portland's criteria. In a couple cases they were experienced Oregon certified officers from neighboring cities. One of them spent a year in Kosovo with the U.N. civil police training task force. It's a strange city with an odd police administration. I've known a few good cops who work for Portland, but overall I'm glad that I never applied with the PPB.Ultimately I believe the politics of that part of Oregon would have driven me crazy.Very very LEFT WING. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

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It's only certain Glock models that do it. I've noticed it a lot on the .40 S&W models such as the 22 or 23. The problem is that in order to increase more reliable feeding as well as to make the gun cycle more reliably, Glocks have more of their chambers cut away, which leaves parts of the case unsupported. They count on the casing to hold in the powder load. I think it happens mostly on the larger cartridges such as 10mm Auto, .40 S&W or .45ACP. Haven't heard of it happening on any of the .45GAP models though. I'm personally not a big fan of Glock pistols. I don't find them very visually appealing and I hate the lack of a manual safety. And I really, really dislike the trigger they make on it. They need to take off the little lever in the trigger, and just go to a solid double action trigger and put a manual safety on it. I'm a 1911 man, but I think there are many other designs that are better than Glock's. For example, Sig Sauer or H&K. Or Springfield's XD series. S&W Sigma. I mean the list goes on and on. I won't buy a Glock for the reasons I mentioned above. Right now, all I own are 1911s and one H&K USP .45.

:I'm a bit confused. You say that you do not like Glock pistols because you find them unattractive and you prefer a manual safety, both of which are valid reasons. But then you claim that designs from SIG Sauer, H&K USP, the Springfield XD, and the S&W Sigma -- all of which, save for a few specialty models, do not have a manual safety -- are superior to the Glock design. That just doesn't make sense. It's perfectly fine to dislike Glock pistols, but to claim that they are inferior to other designs for lacking a manual safety, when those very other designs also lack manual safeties, is rather odd. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.83.179|68.39.83.179]] 22:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

::I've only had hands-on experience with the Glock 21 myself. Me and my sister shot one on my birthday this year, and she had the Glock malfunction on her too, albeit not nearly as severely as the incidents mentioned above. She pulled the trigger and the weapon failed to discharge. When I cleared the chamber, I found that the pin had missed the primer and struck the back of the casing. After that though we didn't have any further problems with the weapon, that being the only round out of 50 we put through the Glock 21 that had a misfire. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Not sure on the Sigma, but the XD has a grip safety, and most sigs have de-cockers. I don't know if those meets your definition of 'manual safety', but they're certainly more than glock has.--[[User:TheDon|TheDon]] 15:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

==Glock 18==
what would a fully automatic pistol be used for? VIPs protection and CQC
There was a fad for such machine pistols (VP-70 and M-93R for other examples).

But the Personal defense weapon have taken this firearm nitch and more. Rex095

Sort of like lasers when they first came out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

what do you mean? about the lasers

Lasers were thought to be the end-all substitute for irons yet now they are just seen as a gimmick.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

It's not really a gimmick today. People still use lasers to aim, distract someone by aiming at their eyes and for small frame guns where the iron sights are bad, like a pocket gun [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== Generation 4 Glocks ==

I realized that the page is laking the Gen 4 Glock 17 and Gen 4 Glock 22 --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Added the Gen 4 model for Glock 22--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 17:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

:The picture you posted is not a 4th Generation Glock; it is an RTF (Rough Texture Frame) model, which is not the same thing. The main difference between the 4th Gen Glocks and older models is that they now have removable backstraps. And anyway, we don't need the picture until we know they've appeared in movies (and at the rate armorers buy new pistols, no time soon.) IMFDB's policy is that we don't need a picture of every variant of a gun that has ever existed (at least not on the gun's page), and ''especially'' if it hasn't appeared in anything yet. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well that and the fact that the 4th Generation also has a captive recoil spring, but of course how in the hell do you show that? Shot a 4th Gen G17 today at the range. Very nice. Recovery is all that much faster. I was impressed. The company will be coming out with the 4th Gen G19 in a month or so. However the 4th Gen G21SF isn't due out until next year. Sorry 45 acp mafia. I was talking to one of the corporate guys so I feel confident that he knows what he's talking about. Anyway just some nice to know trivia.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 05:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

== Glock 34 ==

Just looking at the section for the [[Glock 34]], only [[End of Days]] and [[Man on Fire]]. In both movies, It's used by the Main Character to attempt suicide. That's gonna be a good ad campaign: "''When You Can't Go On Anymore, Reach For Your Glock 34''"

==1st Generation==
Did the first generation of Glock pistols feature anything other than the Glock 17? I've seen second and third generation versions of nearly every model, but the only first generation pistols I've ever seen are Glock 17s. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

A small number of first generation Glock 19's were made. - [[User:Right Wing Gun Nut|Right Wing Gun Nut]]

It should have only been in the glock 17...and you shouldn't see one easily because they didn't meet ATF regulation until the generation 2.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:25, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What reg did they not meet?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

:1st Gen Glock 19s do exist, but they're very rare, because Glock went to the checkered front/backstraps on all of its pistols shortly after production began. Also, the Glock 17L and Glock 18 both exist in 1st generation incarnations (though they're also pretty rare). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

::So there were other 1st generation models than the 17, but were all 1st generation guns 9mms? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

To meet American ATF regulations, a steel plate with a stamped serial number was embedded into the dust cover in front of the trigger guard for generation 2. I have seen no evidence of a first generation glock being in any other model than the 17. Even the people that claim they have a generation 1 glock 19 still only show pictures of a generation 2...so i would need to see proof on anything other model being in generation 1. but my knowledge is limited to what's available in the normal U.S.A. for some glock models are not legal to have in the states.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

:Gen 1 Glock 19s do exist. Check out [http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887305 this topic] from GlockTalk. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

==Other models==
Why were the models that were removed before put back? I thought IMFDB didn't allow sections for variants of a gun that haven't appeared in any media. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::See Stan's post below, and also the Glock 20 that was deleted actually WAS in something. When we went to link it, surprise, it wasn't there because it had been removed. Not a good thing. Any SERIES of guns, do not remove the interim gun series entries ever. They are there for continuity in the SERIES of models. The only guns we remove are the weird single gun entries that some member jacked off of google and won't appear in a movie, etc. ever, and if they do, only then do we create the page. The only exception is guns that are in active armorer inventory NOW. That means that there is a much HIGHER chance of them being seen, and we need the gun pics to help members positively ID them. Hope this helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::When the Glock variants were initially deleted I mentioned that having gaps in the list of different models seemed odd, yet those who deleted them responded that any weapons or variants of weapons that have not appeared in media are subject to deletion. I like that the different variants have been restored to the list, I was just curious as to what the procedure was for guns that are variants of weapons that have appeared in films though that specific variant had not since I had heard conflicting information. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::- Yeah, that was me. I found it irksome to have several models (mainly new ones), that weren't listed or even linked to anything, it was annoying to me. I still think that in regards to the newest 30 model guns, but that's just me. BUT, as MPM said, they are still standard guns of the same series, and many are in inventory, so they'll be used in something eventually (If indeed they haven't already and we just don't have pages, etc). I think the main problem was getting rid of older guns like the 20 that are ''definitely'' in stuff already and should be there accordingly. A couple of the other guns are also linked to pages but just don't have them listed - I'll go ahead and add the listing(s) myself if they're listed on complete pages and/or positively ID'd. Otherwise, you could just say they're being proactive. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

-Original Reply- 
I replaced the sections I previously deleted by request of MoviePropMaster2008. Essentially they are for reference right now. However, there are also a sort of placeholder as well - MPM has stated on other pages that such guns are in movie inventory, so eventually they'll get listings/entries - As such, the sections are to remain so that they don't have to be re-created later. A couple of the guns are already linked on pages I believe, but the pages may not be complete or they may not be listed for some other reason. I did remove them because at the time they weren't featured in anything, but it really wasn't my call to remove them in the first place. (EDIT - removed MPM's paraphrased personal message to me, as he posted himself). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::I should point that I am highly skeptical of some of the Glocks IDs that are supposedly [[Glock 20]]s. The episode of ''[[Psych]]'' in which [[John Cena]] supposedly uses a Glock 20 is wrong; I've seen that episode, and he uses a Glock 17L. I'm equally doubtful that the Glock 20 appears in Season 4 of ''[[24]]''. Since we know that (as a rule) movie armorers rarely use any Glocks that aren't 9x19mm, I can't help but wonder if people are going to be tempted to mis-identify Glocks if they see these other variants on the page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Fair enough, and I'm not defending some of these questionable attributions, but I had to replace a pic for a VIDEO game where the gun was a specific variant of weapon (and was specifically NAMED in the game as an off caliber variant), so we still needed the section. Also foreign helmed films don't have the ammo biases that we in the States do ;) the sheer CHANCE that folks will mis-identify the gun is not reason enough to NOT have the section. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:44, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

:::- Well, in the case of those shows, I'll remove the TV subsection until they're confirmed. I will put in the VG entries, though, as they aren't questionable. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Whoa whoa whoa STOP!!!!! Don't remove ANYTHING!!! IMFDB users should look long and hard and try to correctly ID guns, but for now just creating a BLANK space is unacceptable. What is WITH this rush to delete everything all of a sudden? If you don't have correct info to replace it with, DON'T DELETE IT! YOu can put a disclaimer on the various discussion pages (that there may be a question as to whether or not the gun ID is correct), but I dont' want to start seeing blocks of empty space. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

::- Uh, wait a minute, the only thing I removed was the TV section for the Glock 20, and that's it. Nothing else. Most of the gun sections I replaced from the other day were '''already blank''' - they didn't have anything before. Again, the TV listing subsection for the Glock 20 section was the '''only''' thing I've removed since I put all the other guns back, and I've since already restored it. Outside of that and adding some subsections to a couple of the guns, I haven't touched the rest of the page. Not trying to give ya a headache MPM, but I really haven't done that much this time, honest. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I was just reeling from the previous Glock debacle where I spent an entire morning rephotographing a Glock variant, only to realize later that it had been previously there, but deleted. My brain is still traumatized ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::- Yeah, I still feel real bad about that.. I'll probably never live that down. Bah. ;b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==First appearance==
I remember one of our movie pages pointing out that that film was the first appearance of a Glock Pistol in a movie. Does anyone know which movie that was because I can't remember.

: Don't know. The earliest-set movie page I can immediately spot a Glock (Glock 17) on is [[To Live and Die in L.A.]] (1985), but I'm not certain if that is it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

That's not it. We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.

:
::I'm pretty skeptical that ''[[To Live and Die in L.A.]]'' features a Glock, because they were not being imported to this country for the civilian market at the time the movie was filmed. Though I guess I'd have to see the movie to be sure. Season 3 of ''[[Miami Vice - Season 3|Miami Vice]]'' featured a Glock 17 in one episode (which was used by [[Don Johnson]]), and that's the earliest documented appearance of a Glock that we have on this site so far besides ''To Live and Die in L.A.''.

::''We have a page of a movie from the early 80s where the page explicitly states that this is the first appearance of a Glock in film.''

::Which page? I just checked all of the pages which feature our 1st gen Glock 17 picture, and didn't see any movies from the early-80s. Also, I'm skeptical because the first Glock 17s available to civilians didn't start coming into the U.S. until 1985, so it's pretty much impossible for any movie/TV show filmed before that to feature a Glock (unless it was filmed in Europe or some other country where Glocks were available sooner). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::- Not to increase the load, but it might be worth checking under the second gen picture also. After all, not pages pages use the accurate gun picture, whether because they didn't know about the specific differences/generation release dates when they made the page or because the Gen 1 picture wasn't actually around and no one updated the thumbnail. Just a thought. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I have tried watching To Live and Die in L.A. and get a better cap, it just looks like a black gun to me. [[Johnny Handsome]] featured a Glock, it was released in '89. There's got to be a film before that. That Miami Vice episode aired Jan '87. Good idea about checking the 2nd gen pic. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

::::Point taken on the 2nd Gen G17 pic, I forgot about that. But I don't envy the person who has to sort through all the pages on which it appears (nearly 250 in total, last I looked). But I can still tell y'all that you're highly unlikely to see a Glock in any movie made before 1985, for the reason I mentioned earlier. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:: That's not even counting those that ''don't'' have a gun image, or.. well, you get the point. Bah. I'm afraid we may not find out what page it is, unless Anon's memory gets better. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:::I just checked all of the page links for all three Glock 17 images. So far, I can't find any movies or TV shows other than the ones mentioned previously that have featured Glocks. Of course, there is still the possibility that somebody forgot to put ''any'' image for some movie that featured a Glock, but I imagine we'd have caught that by now.

:::So, I have reached the following conclusion:

:::*Season 3 of ''[[Miami Vice - Season 3|Miami Vice]]'' is the first media appearance of a Glock 17, movie or TV.
:::*''[[Johnny Handsome]]'' is the first known movie to feature a Glock 17.

:::Unless someone finds any earlier appearances (and has the screencaps to prove it), these are the first media appearances of Glocks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

: Well, it's a page done by Pred, and the section says 'one of the earliest appearances of a Glock', so that's probably what Anonymous was talking about. If not, then we need to kill him for even bringing this up. :b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that is the page I was talking about, I just couldn't remember it. Please don't kill me. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::: Sure, but only because you said please. Mystery solved then? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

::Wow look at that, I don't even like Glocks. I don't know if either of you two have seen Johnny Handsome. The gun dealer gave a little explanation about the gun, made in Austria, plastic etc. I just glad it beat Die Hard 2. When I wrote the comment I figured another film had to have featured it before JH that's why I said one of the earliest uses not the first. Unless another comes up with an appearance before JH, [[Mickey Rourke]] has both the first usage of the Desert Eagle and Glock in a film.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright I changed both the pages. If someone has better wording to use, go for it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Removal of Variants that have not been seen in media ==

I was just re-reading the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page and was wondering if anyone has a problem removing the Glock models 24, 28, 29, and 37 - 39 as they have yet to appear in any movies/anime/games. It looks like alot of effort was put into this page so I just want check before making any changes.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:08, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
::'''Good thing you asked, since I would have been pretty pissed at you if you made such a major change without checking first.''' We've had this come up before. A previous member took it upon himself to remove a Glock variant which has not listed, and then, BEHOLD! it was obviously apparent in some movie or tv listing, so ANOTHER member, seeing that we didn't have the section (it had been deleted) copied a jacked GOOGLE image of the gun and re-created the section. I, seeing a CRAP google image thought "hmmm, I could have sworn I photographed that type of Glock for this page already", so I spent the entire morning rephotographing that model of Glock for the Glock page. When I tried to re-upload the photo, IMFDB warned me that this photo already existed. I was "WTF?" By tracking down the history of the page, I tracked down the member who DELETED the glock section and admonished them that it was just creating problems, since a few days AFTER he deleted it, the model appeared in something. So the rule is: DON'T REMOVE ANY VARIANTS on ANY PAGE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE MPM MOVIE ARMORY PHOTOGRAPHS (which were done specifically FOR IMFDB). Thanks for your attention in this matter :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
:I would leave it, Glocks are hard to tell apart sometimes. So it's good to have all the models on the page for reference. It's not like a user creating an entire new page for a gun that hasn't appeared.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 06:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

:::Damn propmaster no need to yell man. There's a reason I asked in here first. Maybe you should add the blurb about not removing variants pictured by armorers in the rules section. That's the only reason I brought up the question in the first place.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 06:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not yelling, it's emphasizing. And sorry if it seemed that way. As for the emphasis, it was for all members. You at least asked, but I must emphasize again, if any member MUST do something, try adding to lame pages, resist the temptation to delete other people's work. Leave that to the mods, unless its something ridiculous. MPM

== Numbers ==
Anyone know how Glock comes up with the numbers for their handguns?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

They are in the order that they were released...starting with the model 17 for it was the 17th patient to get it what it is today. But some people say that the original name came because it holds 17rds then in the order they were released--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

:Another theory is, if Wikipedia is to be believed, that the Austrian army set out a list of 17 requirements when they were looking for a new pistol to replace the Walther P38. In order for any pistol to be considered for the trials, it had to pass all 17 requirements. The Glock was called the 17 because it was designed specifically with thes standards in mind. Even if this isn't the source of the name, it's still an amusing coincidence. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Glock 30 & Glock 36 ==

Can someone explain the Difference between the Glock 30 and Glock 36. They both look like Sub-Compact Glocks in 45. ACP. [[Image:Glock30.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Glock 30 .45 ACP]][[Image:Glock36.jpg|thumb|200px|none|Glock 36 .45 ACP]]
:Glock 36 is a single stack, Glock 30 is a double stack. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Not to mention the Glock 36, while subcompact like the 30, also sports a slimline frame, just 1.13 inches wide and roughly six inches long.--[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] 13:50, 18 December 2011 (CST)

== 18 vs 18C? ==

Just wondering, is there any difference between the Glock 18 and Glock 18C? I think the proper name is 18C, but correct me if I'm wrong.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 13:26, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
:The C models include a built-in compensator, noted by a rectangular slot cut out in the top-front section of the slide and the compensator ports in the barrel. And yes, 18C is the correct name. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:18, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Full Auto? ==

Can other Glock pistols be converted to fire in full-auto, like the Glock 17-impersonating-Glock 18? Specifically, the 19 and 21 models? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 18:21, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:Probably yes. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:46, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
::I've seen FA conversions of the Glock 19, 20, 22, and 26. Also shot a FA conversion 17. Fun weapons but not quite as reliable as a factory conversion IMO. Then again the 17 had been shot all day.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:35, 18 October 2011 (CDT)

In the Dark Knight the joker uses a glock 17 converted to fire full auto.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:44, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Glocks in shooters ==

hey yall i was just wondering if you knew if their were any FPS games that included a normal glock. when i say normal i mean all minus the 18, it is a ridiculous gun and has very little practical use. my preference is the Glock 21 but i would like to no if there is any notable games that have any model (minus 18) thanks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:37, 17 October 2011 (CDT)
:Did you even try looking in the listings on the page? Because I see several listed there.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:31, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

::And the Glock 18 is not a ridiculous weapon and ''is'' practical if you know how to use it right (especially the "C" model). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:44, 17 October 2011 (CDT)

== .380 ACP Glocks ==

Hey all. I edited the Glock 25 and 28 sections to say:

*The Glock 28/25 will very likely never be seen in an American produced film because it is illegal to import in the United States. Since that the ATF ruled it as having no sporting purpose, the only way it will be featured in a film is if the movie is completely produced in a foreign country that has maximum caliber restrictions.

These guns have a less than .01% chance of being seen in films. Just giving a heads up --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 08:04, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, or if the ATF changes the rules (I know, yeah right, but it's not impossible), or if it's an Airsoft gun or mock-up, or it's stock footage, or a dozen other ways you could probably think up. Try to avoid attempting to predict the future on a gun page. Also, "completely produced?" Haven't you ever heard of "on location?" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:28, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

*Airsoft doesn't make Glock 25/28's, on top of the fact that it's now illegal to produce Glock mock ups now because Glock sued for patent infringement a year or two back. This includes the S&W Sigma series (Glock clones), Airsoft guns, and blank guns. Even if the gun could be used, do you know how hard it is to make a straight blowback gun fire blanks? It just isn't worth the effort. The ATF will not change the rules unless the supreme court miraculously changes the law, which is next to 0% unless people start voting with their brains. Lastly, "on location" filming still has American owned guns used, therefore those Glocks will not be seen. Trust me man, it ain't happening.

PS. I saw your edit on the Glock 25. The Glock 25 can't be imported no matter what. Law enforcement or not, they CAN'T. Also, Brazil has a maximum energy ban (nothing bigger than .380 for handguns,) not a "military caliber" ban. I'm going to fix those parts. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 09:30, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:On location filming doesn't necessarily have American guns used. ''Rambo III'', for example, was American-produced but filmed partly in Israel and used stocks of weapons that would be impossible to get in the US, such as real DShK machine guns. The same arrangement (location filming with a local armourer) would make it far from impossible for these weapons to appear in a US-produced movie. Also, I'm fairly sure you're wrong. Here's the section of the relevant law:

:"If importing NFA and non-sporting weapons, please ensure an official government contract, purchase order, or letter typed on official law enforcement and/or government letterhead, bearing the original signature of the chief law enforcement official having jurisdiction over that area, is attached to the completed Form 6."

:The 25 is a "non-sporting weapon" because it fails the import test, but that doesn't stop a government or law enforcement ''agency'' buying it. It does mean ''individual'' officers can't import them, though.

:Also, IIRC didn't Glock do something weird like trademark the shape of their weapons rather than sue for patents? I think H&K did the same with the MP5 at about the same time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:45, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Pretty much. They sued because the imitations were substantially identical to the iconic Glock shape. Just so you know, the Glock company is a bunch of jerks.

When it comes to using other country's armorers/weapons, it usually doesn't happen. Rambo can be the exception, but 99.99% of the time it's cheaper to mock up existing weapons and use your own armorer than to go out of the way for the real deal when usually no one will know the difference.

Also, that ATF letter is only true in name only. Regardless of signatures or agency, the request to import still has to be approved by the ATF, which it NEVER is. Look around. There are no post '86 machine guns or "non sporting" weapons used by ANY LE agency in the US (not talking about the ARMY/NAVY/Etc.) because the letters are NEVER approved. There's a couple A1 M16's with A2 uppers and MP5's with a pre '86 trigger group in use, but that's about it for LE agencies special guns usage, and all of those are pre '86 weapons.--[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:35, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, and a LE agency isn't going to be jumping through hoops to buy a .380 ACP pistol anyway, but it's enough to say that only LE and government could even ''theoretically'' import them according to the law for purposes of the page; it's ''not'' true to say they can't legally be imported when the law says they can be. I do agree with you that it's stunningly unlikely for a number of reasons, I just dislike terms like "impossible" being thrown around because I'm horribly pedantic. :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:40, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Agreed. Especially when they can pick up a just-as-good Beretta 84 without the blinking of an eye. I noticed you live in England. Here in America, there are a couple laws which supposedly make certain things allowable with the right approval, however approval never comes and those permits are deemed impossible to obtain.

Some states allow the carrying of a handgun at 18 years old, but Sheriffs won't sign off on it, well just because. In New Jersey, you are allowed to carry a handgun, but to get the permit you need a "justifiable cause," and it happens that the only justifiable one they see is carrying more than $500,000 a day for work. Apparently my self defense isn't important enough to them. It's the same with the ATF. They don't like it, you can't have it. Unfortunately it isn't constitutional, but the judges here don't quite have the guts to end their illegal rule right now. Thanks for reading my rant ;) --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 11:52, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, everywhere has laws that technically exist but aren't enforced properly. Though ours mostly tend to have more to do with extremely precise ways for it to be legal to murder the Welsh. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:56, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Bingo. Nice job with the edit too by the way --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 12:51, 2 November 2011 (CDT)

Hollywood is not the only people that make Movies...In fact there are hundreds of movies made every year without america having anything to do with them...and most of the time they are better off for it. Just because a gun is outlawed in the USA does not mean that it cant be used by another country that might decide to make a movie that may some day grace the pages of IMFDB.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:40, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Glock 18 selector switch ==

Is the slide mounted selector switch on the Glock 18 on both sides of the slide or just the left side? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:34, 8 January 2012 (CST)
:Left side only --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:56, 8 January 2012 (CST)
::Well that complicates things. Thanks. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:08, 8 January 2012 (CST)

== Naming of glocks ==

Does anyone know the story behind the naming of the Glocks? Why did they start with 17? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:26, 20 January 2012 (CST)
:The Glock 17 holds 17 rounds, but where they went from there I have no idea.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:00, 20 January 2012 (CST)
::Is that REALLY why its called the Glock 17?!?! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 22:01, 20 January 2012 (CST)

No its not. It came from one of these two things:
The Glock 17 was called the Glock 17 because it was Gaston Glock's 17th patent.
OR
There were 17 criteria the Austrian military had for their new pistol, that the Glock was made to meet.

Its pretty up in the air, and I've heard both stories from GLOCK reps.
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 10:03, 21 January 2012 (CST)

all the other numbers are in order in which they where made and interduced...the 17 being the first production model followed by the 18 and so on. So the 10mm models where made and interduced before the .45acp models.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:43, 21 January 2012 (CST)

== Stupid question ==

I have kind of a stupid question but why do people think glocks suck so much? or at least people think there not that good of a gun?--Gunner5

Maybe people never had shoot Glocks.And they probably think: "Oh,it's plastic! What an awful pistol! I better use my full-metal 1911!"
But,it's just my opinion. Actually,I have the same question. :) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 03:07, 29 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-02-27T00:04:29Z

Littlesoldier1:

==Thoughts?==

Saw the trailer when I went to see Courageous. I thought it looked pretty sweet. What do you guys think? - [[User:1morey]] October 14, 2011 9:38 PM (EST)

:I'm seeing first showing on opening day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:37, 14 November 2011 (CST)

::It looks pretty impressive, even moreso in that actual SEALs were involved on-screen, not just in a behind-the-scenes consulting role like in most war films. I heard parts of this were actually retained for training purposes due to the degree of realism in the tactics and methods used in the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:26, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== Extended Trailer ==
I've got some additional pics from the extended trailer that I'm going to upload. Pics show a strange carbine-length sniper rifle that I can't ID (fore-end is that of an M4 with fixed FSP and KAC RIS, but it appears to have a 7.62 magazine), a Mark 11 variant (can't see the fore-end to ID which one exactly), FN Mags, FN Minimis, a possible M60D, and a handheld M60 (can't tell which variant because I can't see all of it). There's probably more, but I'll go over the trailer with a fine tooth comb later. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 14 November 2011 (CST)
:Upon closer examination, the handheld M60 is just another M240G. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:57, 15 November 2011 (CST)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==
Take a look.
[[File:AoVSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|???]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|???]]

M4 fore-end with a 7.62 mag. Any ideas as to what it is? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:06, 14 November 2011 (CST)

: Possably a SEAL Recon Rifle? See: <strike>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5515/sealsnipers6uy1.jpg </Strike> (Wrong photo)[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:04, 24 December 2011 (CST)

::That's a Mark 12 Mod 1, not a RECCE Rifle. RECCEs are a 16" breed, in addition to being 5.56. The rifle above has a 7.62 mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:02, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:::Ah, sorry, theres a RECCE rifle on the same page i got the photo from which i can't seem to find now :(, that said it could still be a 5.56 with a 20rnd mag, films do a have a history of making things look larger than they actually are *cough* preditor M134 anyone? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)

:::Mag still looks too big to be 5.56 to me. But whatever it is, I'm pulling that screencap from the SR-25 entry on the main page since it's clearly not an SR-25 by the short barrel and fixed front sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:::Okay, I just got back from the movie and this rifle is ''definitely'' a 7.62. It's the same rifle that's in the screencap under the SR-25 entry (which I removed and placed here). I'm thinking maybe an AR-10 carbine? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Live Fire ==

Apparently this film is gonna use live fire,which is an extreme rarity for films. Gonna be interesting to see though
:I don't believe this for a second as live ammunition is pretty much prohibited from a film set unless it's in a 100% locked down and closed environment. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:52, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::I wouldn't be so sure, if you watch the trailer the miniguns on the boats are spewing out regular empty brass rather than fired blanks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:11, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:::See those look like blanks to me, and that one shot is a close up so it could have been shot on a locked down location, film editing is a clever thing ;)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::::According to BLACKFIVE.net, it's nearly all live ammo. He saw a screening of it, talks about it here ( http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/10/update-act-of-valor.html ). [[User:RC 5213|RC 5213]]
::::: ''Nearly all'' being the key word, i doubt any of the shots with anything other than the actual seals in the film where live fire and I doubt any of the actors used live fire. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:33, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::::::I still doubt that it was live ammo, it just seems so implausible that it would be allowed, what if one of the bullets ricocheted, missed the target, etc. It seems like an absolutely unnecessary risk to use live ammo. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::thats the whole idea of franagle ammunation [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:32, 3 January 2012 (CST)
Pretty sure it would just be the SEALs using live ammo, the actors are probably using blanks. Yes it is dangerous, but the SEALs are trained to be excellent shooters so I can believe it. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:But like you say it's dangerous and seems like a stupid risk to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:09, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::The film was shot during various SEAL training exercises and uses them as action set pieces, so it is possible that is what the article is referring to. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)
::: Yea, if i remember correctly this was originaly made to be a recruiting video for the SEAL's that turned into a film.[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:33, 3 January 2012 (CST)

My understanding from [http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actofvalor/ this] featurette is that the live fire was done how the live fire in [[Miami Vice (2006)]] was done. Shoot the shit out of whatever you want shot, then add any people you need in the scene after. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:58, 14 January 2012 (CST)

[http://www.youtube.com/actofvalormovie] The making of video shows that they used both blanks and Live Fire.

== Something clearly wrong with the front sight. ==

[[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AOV-M4-3.jpg]]
Is it just me or there is some kind of "solid" front sight? Or,could it be just water? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:03, 26 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-02-27T00:04:03Z

Littlesoldier1:

==Thoughts?==

Saw the trailer when I went to see Courageous. I thought it looked pretty sweet. What do you guys think? - [[User:1morey]] October 14, 2011 9:38 PM (EST)

:I'm seeing first showing on opening day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:37, 14 November 2011 (CST)

::It looks pretty impressive, even moreso in that actual SEALs were involved on-screen, not just in a behind-the-scenes consulting role like in most war films. I heard parts of this were actually retained for training purposes due to the degree of realism in the tactics and methods used in the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:26, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== Extended Trailer ==
I've got some additional pics from the extended trailer that I'm going to upload. Pics show a strange carbine-length sniper rifle that I can't ID (fore-end is that of an M4 with fixed FSP and KAC RIS, but it appears to have a 7.62 magazine), a Mark 11 variant (can't see the fore-end to ID which one exactly), FN Mags, FN Minimis, a possible M60D, and a handheld M60 (can't tell which variant because I can't see all of it). There's probably more, but I'll go over the trailer with a fine tooth comb later. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 14 November 2011 (CST)
:Upon closer examination, the handheld M60 is just another M240G. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:57, 15 November 2011 (CST)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==
Take a look.
[[File:AoVSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|???]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|???]]

M4 fore-end with a 7.62 mag. Any ideas as to what it is? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:06, 14 November 2011 (CST)

: Possably a SEAL Recon Rifle? See: <strike>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5515/sealsnipers6uy1.jpg </Strike> (Wrong photo)[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:04, 24 December 2011 (CST)

::That's a Mark 12 Mod 1, not a RECCE Rifle. RECCEs are a 16" breed, in addition to being 5.56. The rifle above has a 7.62 mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:02, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:::Ah, sorry, theres a RECCE rifle on the same page i got the photo from which i can't seem to find now :(, that said it could still be a 5.56 with a 20rnd mag, films do a have a history of making things look larger than they actually are *cough* preditor M134 anyone? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)

:::Mag still looks too big to be 5.56 to me. But whatever it is, I'm pulling that screencap from the SR-25 entry on the main page since it's clearly not an SR-25 by the short barrel and fixed front sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:::Okay, I just got back from the movie and this rifle is ''definitely'' a 7.62. It's the same rifle that's in the screencap under the SR-25 entry (which I removed and placed here). I'm thinking maybe an AR-10 carbine? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Live Fire ==

Apparently this film is gonna use live fire,which is an extreme rarity for films. Gonna be interesting to see though
:I don't believe this for a second as live ammunition is pretty much prohibited from a film set unless it's in a 100% locked down and closed environment. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:52, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::I wouldn't be so sure, if you watch the trailer the miniguns on the boats are spewing out regular empty brass rather than fired blanks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:11, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:::See those look like blanks to me, and that one shot is a close up so it could have been shot on a locked down location, film editing is a clever thing ;)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::::According to BLACKFIVE.net, it's nearly all live ammo. He saw a screening of it, talks about it here ( http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/10/update-act-of-valor.html ). [[User:RC 5213|RC 5213]]
::::: ''Nearly all'' being the key word, i doubt any of the shots with anything other than the actual seals in the film where live fire and I doubt any of the actors used live fire. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:33, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::::::I still doubt that it was live ammo, it just seems so implausible that it would be allowed, what if one of the bullets ricocheted, missed the target, etc. It seems like an absolutely unnecessary risk to use live ammo. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::thats the whole idea of franagle ammunation [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:32, 3 January 2012 (CST)
Pretty sure it would just be the SEALs using live ammo, the actors are probably using blanks. Yes it is dangerous, but the SEALs are trained to be excellent shooters so I can believe it. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:But like you say it's dangerous and seems like a stupid risk to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:09, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::The film was shot during various SEAL training exercises and uses them as action set pieces, so it is possible that is what the article is referring to. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)
::: Yea, if i remember correctly this was originaly made to be a recruiting video for the SEAL's that turned into a film.[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:33, 3 January 2012 (CST)

My understanding from [http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actofvalor/ this] featurette is that the live fire was done how the live fire in [[Miami Vice (2006)]] was done. Shoot the shit out of whatever you want shot, then add any people you need in the scene after. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:58, 14 January 2012 (CST)

[http://www.youtube.com/actofvalormovie] The making of video shows that they used both blanks and Live Fire.

== Something clearly wrong with the front sight. ==

[[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AOV-M4-3.jpg]]
Is it just me or there is some kind of "solid" front sight? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:03, 26 February 2012 (CST)
Or could it be a water?

Talk:Act of Valor

2012-02-27T00:03:09Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Something clearly wrong with the front sight. */ new section

==Thoughts?==

Saw the trailer when I went to see Courageous. I thought it looked pretty sweet. What do you guys think? - [[User:1morey]] October 14, 2011 9:38 PM (EST)

:I'm seeing first showing on opening day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:37, 14 November 2011 (CST)

::It looks pretty impressive, even moreso in that actual SEALs were involved on-screen, not just in a behind-the-scenes consulting role like in most war films. I heard parts of this were actually retained for training purposes due to the degree of realism in the tactics and methods used in the film. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:26, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== Extended Trailer ==
I've got some additional pics from the extended trailer that I'm going to upload. Pics show a strange carbine-length sniper rifle that I can't ID (fore-end is that of an M4 with fixed FSP and KAC RIS, but it appears to have a 7.62 magazine), a Mark 11 variant (can't see the fore-end to ID which one exactly), FN Mags, FN Minimis, a possible M60D, and a handheld M60 (can't tell which variant because I can't see all of it). There's probably more, but I'll go over the trailer with a fine tooth comb later. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 14 November 2011 (CST)
:Upon closer examination, the handheld M60 is just another M240G. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:57, 15 November 2011 (CST)

== Unknown Sniper Rifle ==
Take a look.
[[File:AoVSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|???]]
[[File:AoVSR25.jpg|thumb|none|600px|???]]

M4 fore-end with a 7.62 mag. Any ideas as to what it is? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:06, 14 November 2011 (CST)

: Possably a SEAL Recon Rifle? See: <strike>http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5515/sealsnipers6uy1.jpg </Strike> (Wrong photo)[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:04, 24 December 2011 (CST)

::That's a Mark 12 Mod 1, not a RECCE Rifle. RECCEs are a 16" breed, in addition to being 5.56. The rifle above has a 7.62 mag. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:02, 24 December 2011 (CST)

:::Ah, sorry, theres a RECCE rifle on the same page i got the photo from which i can't seem to find now :(, that said it could still be a 5.56 with a 20rnd mag, films do a have a history of making things look larger than they actually are *cough* preditor M134 anyone? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)

:::Mag still looks too big to be 5.56 to me. But whatever it is, I'm pulling that screencap from the SR-25 entry on the main page since it's clearly not an SR-25 by the short barrel and fixed front sight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:::Okay, I just got back from the movie and this rifle is ''definitely'' a 7.62. It's the same rifle that's in the screencap under the SR-25 entry (which I removed and placed here). I'm thinking maybe an AR-10 carbine? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:10, 24 February 2012 (CST)

== Live Fire ==

Apparently this film is gonna use live fire,which is an extreme rarity for films. Gonna be interesting to see though
:I don't believe this for a second as live ammunition is pretty much prohibited from a film set unless it's in a 100% locked down and closed environment. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:52, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::I wouldn't be so sure, if you watch the trailer the miniguns on the boats are spewing out regular empty brass rather than fired blanks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:11, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:::See those look like blanks to me, and that one shot is a close up so it could have been shot on a locked down location, film editing is a clever thing ;)--[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 22:18, 23 December 2011 (CST)
::::According to BLACKFIVE.net, it's nearly all live ammo. He saw a screening of it, talks about it here ( http://www.blackfive.net/main/2011/10/update-act-of-valor.html ). [[User:RC 5213|RC 5213]]
::::: ''Nearly all'' being the key word, i doubt any of the shots with anything other than the actual seals in the film where live fire and I doubt any of the actors used live fire. [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 00:33, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::::::I still doubt that it was live ammo, it just seems so implausible that it would be allowed, what if one of the bullets ricocheted, missed the target, etc. It seems like an absolutely unnecessary risk to use live ammo. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 04:16, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:::::::thats the whole idea of franagle ammunation [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:32, 3 January 2012 (CST)
Pretty sure it would just be the SEALs using live ammo, the actors are probably using blanks. Yes it is dangerous, but the SEALs are trained to be excellent shooters so I can believe it. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 14:30, 25 December 2011 (CST)
:But like you say it's dangerous and seems like a stupid risk to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:09, 25 December 2011 (CST)
::The film was shot during various SEAL training exercises and uses them as action set pieces, so it is possible that is what the article is referring to. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 22:20, 26 December 2011 (CST)
::: Yea, if i remember correctly this was originaly made to be a recruiting video for the SEAL's that turned into a film.[[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 23:33, 3 January 2012 (CST)

My understanding from [http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/actofvalor/ this] featurette is that the live fire was done how the live fire in [[Miami Vice (2006)]] was done. Shoot the shit out of whatever you want shot, then add any people you need in the scene after. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 06:58, 14 January 2012 (CST)

[http://www.youtube.com/actofvalormovie] The making of video shows that they used both blanks and Live Fire.

== Something clearly wrong with the front sight. ==

[[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:AOV-M4-3.jpg]]
Is it just me or there is some kind of "solid" front sight? [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 18:03, 26 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Colt Double Eagle

2012-02-21T21:17:35Z

Littlesoldier1:

Why did this weapon and other double-action 1911 based pistols not take off better? Were too many people still wedded to the old single-action 1911s? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I think, it happens because of the people's conservatism. But probably there is one or two reasons more. =) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 08:18, 21 February 2012 (CST)

:Several reason:
:# It wasn't a 1911.
:# For a new pistol it was considered outdated at release, with all heavy steel construction and a single stack magazine.
:# No manual safety so couldn't be carried in condition 1 (round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety on) which people with 1911s did, so this probably would have been seen as a downside to current 1911 users.
:# There were durability problems, such as the trigger return spring rubbing against the frame causing it to wear out quickly.
:# The general quality, and hence reliability, of the gun was pretty poor as was the norm for colt pistols of the 90s.
:# Trigger pull wasn't great, particularly compared to the 1911.
:# It had weird grips that were integral to the fire control group which made it very difficult, if not impossible, to fit different grips.
:# Colt was generally in the shit in the 90s due to the end of the Cold War and the absolute debacle that was the All American 2000. I think they filed for bankruptcy at some point and new colt handguns were seen as pretty undesirable.
:# It wasn't a 1911.
:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:31, 21 February 2012 (CST)

What an interesting info! Thanks,even though it wasn't dedicated to me.But I found it very useful. =) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 15:17, 21 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Colt Double Eagle

2012-02-21T21:17:13Z

Littlesoldier1:

Why did this weapon and other double-action 1911 based pistols not take off better? Were too many people still wedded to the old single-action 1911s? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I think, it happens because of the people's conservatism. But probably there is one or two reasons more. =) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 08:18, 21 February 2012 (CST)

:Several reason:
:# It wasn't a 1911.
:# For a new pistol it was considered outdated at release, with all heavy steel construction and a single stack magazine.
:# No manual safety so couldn't be carried in condition 1 (round in the chamber, hammer cocked, safety on) which people with 1911s did, so this probably would have been seen as a downside to current 1911 users.
:# There were durability problems, such as the trigger return spring rubbing against the frame causing it to wear out quickly.
:# The general quality, and hence reliability, of the gun was pretty poor as was the norm for colt pistols of the 90s.
:# Trigger pull wasn't great, particularly compared to the 1911.
:# It had weird grips that were integral to the fire control group which made it very difficult, if not impossible, to fit different grips.
:# Colt was generally in the shit in the 90s due to the end of the Cold War and the absolute debacle that was the All American 2000. I think they filed for bankruptcy at some point and new colt handguns were seen as pretty undesirable.
:# It wasn't a 1911.
:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:31, 21 February 2012 (CST)

What an interesting info! Thanks,even if it's not dedicated to me.But I found it very useful. =) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 15:17, 21 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Colt Double Eagle

2012-02-21T14:18:50Z

Littlesoldier1:

Talk:Robert De Niro

2012-02-17T17:35:52Z

Littlesoldier1:

Is DeNiro right or left handed? In deer hunter, he was a lefty and used a left handed bolt action rifle. In Heat, he is clearly right handed. I'm confused. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Maybe he's ambidextrious. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I've always heard, that he is left-handed. And,seeing him using most of the weapons or writing in the movie makes me think, that he was forced to do everything with right-hand. But I don't know,was that thing used in USA. I just know, that it was Very common in USSR those days. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 11:35, 17 February 2012 (CST)

== A LOT of guns ==

In my opinion, this is one of the actors that have held a lot of guns, unless someone can top that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

: [[Arnold Schwarzenegger|Schwarzenegger]]'s list makes De Niro's look like nothing. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
: [[Clint Eastwood]] and Arny are both huge pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::According to the Special Pages, Clint Eastwood's page is larger so it appears that Clint Eastwood held the most firearms by the way. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:17, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
:::I copied their grids into Excel and counted the rows. Ahnuld beats Clint 88-79. Third place appears to go to Bruce Willis, with 73. De Niro only has 52. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 00:34, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::Yes but did you eliminate guns that were repeated? I don't think listing the same model twice should count in the number they've used.[[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

Talk:M1911 pistol series

2012-01-22T22:41:37Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Airsoft Colt's grips. */

==Additional Variants==
===Screen Used===
[[Image:EnemyofState1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Screen-used original Colt M1911 pistol wielded by [[Gene Hackman]]'s character Brill in ''[[Enemy of the State]]'', serial #357414 (photo from Long Mountain Outfitters).]]
[[Image:M1911WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen used M1911 pistol (Hero Gun) carried and used by [[Sam Elliott]] as Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1WeWereSoldiers.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Screen Used Hero Gun M1911A1, carried by [[Mel Gibson]] as Lt. Col. Hal Moore in the film ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' - .45 ACP. Provided by Cinema Weaponry.]]
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. This is the screen used pistol for [[Robert De Niro]] playing Senator McLaughlin in the upcoming Robert Rodriguez film [[Machete]] (scheduled for release on April 16, 2010). ]]
[[Image:ColtCustomXXX.jpg‎|thumb|450px|none|This is the screen used Colt XSE M1911 Pistol, wielded, carried (and lost) by August Gibbons ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]) in the film ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]''. This pistol has a customized slide with the initials "A G" etched (for "Augustus Gibbons") and also has the logo for SEAL TEAM 4 in the center - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Saradet.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detonics 1911 used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''. Image courtesy of ScreeUsed.com]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film ''[[Sin City]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TitanicM1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Nickel-Plated ''[[Titanic]]'' M1911 from Stembridge Gun Rentals - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:P1010522ig5.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Actual D&L Sports Professional Model Longslides - .45 ACP movie props used by the Comedian [[Jeffrey Dean Morgan]] in ''[[Watchmen]]''.]]
[[Image:Wanted_21.JPG|thumb|none|450px|The Safari Arms Matchmaster used by [[Angelina Jolie]] in the film ''[[Wanted]]'' - .45 ACP. Note Safari Arms Lion logo.]]
[[Image:IMG 1666.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP used on ''[[The Unit]]''. The weapon pictured here was the actual Warrior carried and fired by Dennis Haysbert in the last season.]]
[[Image:IMG 1534.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Another Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP was used in the most recent season of ''[[The Unit]]''. This was Dennis Haysbert's backup weapon in case the first failed (it is customary in Hollywood for each "hero" gun use to have at least one backup on set).]]
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, golden suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:ShootEmUp-HammersonNiteTac-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac (.45 ACP) used in ''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the engraved Hammerson logo. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:1911-The Getaway.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Government Commercial M1911 - .45 ACP used by [[Steve McQueen]] in the film ''[[Getaway, The (1972)]]''.]]
[[Image:M&MSColtXSEusedinfilm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Colt M1911A1 XSE - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''.]]
[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The two blank firing prop custom Colt M1911A1s used in the film ''[[Punisher, The (2004)]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:NashBridges1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nash Bridges' Custom 1911 - .38 Super. This is the actual pistol that was used by [[Don Johnson]] in the show ''[[Nash Bridges]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt-M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The actual M1911A1 [[Pierce Brosnan]] used in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SerenityM191A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Jayne Cobb's Mocked-Up Custom M1911A1 - .45 ACP used in the film ''[[Serenity]]''.]]
[[Image:P00654 1911 Full Left.jpg|thumb|none|450px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen used Colt M1911 with Nickel-plated and pearl grips - .45 ACP pistol. This non-firing prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film '''[[The Other Guys]]'''. The gun is accompanied by the Galco shoulder holster and clip pouch also used in numerous scenes from the film. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TGC&Product_Code=P00654&Category_Code=OtherGuys here].]]
[[Image:IMG 1509.JPG|thumb|none|450px|A Strayer Voight Infinity - .45 ACP. This is one of the actual guns that has been used by The Company henchmen on ''[[Heroes]]''; this weapon was supplied to the show by Independent Studio Services and has been used on every season.]]
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by [[Sylvester Stallone‎]] in ''[[Expendables, The|The Expendables]]'' - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:IMG 0444.JPG|thumb|none|450px|[[M1911|Colt MK IV Series 80]] - .45 ACP This was used in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' and the series ''[[Chase]]'' and ''[[Dark Blue]]''.]]

===Airsoft Variants===
[[Image:GP WE M1911Peral lg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|An airsoft reproduction of the Springfield Armory M1911-A1 made by J-Armoury (Western Arms) used in the film ''[[Se7en]]''.]]
[[Image:CobrGold1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Perfect airsoft replica of [[Cobra]]'s Colt GC National Match - 9mm Pistol made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:Htk1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft replica of Storm's M1911A1 from ''[[Hard to Kill]]'' - made by Western Arms.]]
[[Image:WA-WLUF_2_mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Replica of Castor Troy's custom Springfield Armory M1911-A1 - .45 ACP from the film ''[[Face/Off]]''.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica - .45 ACP, very similar to what Frank ([[James Caan]]) used in the film ''[[Thief]]''.]]
[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Sheriff Co. "Custom M1911" Airsoft Gun - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SAProTac.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft replica of a Springfield Armory Loaded - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Baby1.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Airsoft WE HiCapa 5.1 Full Metal Dragon Custom M1911 (Type B) Black Model with blue LED lights in the grip - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Detonics CombatMaster M1911 airsoft.jpg|450px|thumb|none|WE "Caspian Arms" M1911 replica of a Detonics CombatMaster M1911 or a Colt Officer's ACP - .45ACP]]
[[Image:Colt M1911.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Yu Teng 'YT385' replica of the original Colt M1911A1 model - .45ACP]]

===Other Replicas===
[[Image:Snake_.45.JPG|thumb|none|450px|CGI rendering of the Springfield Operator from the game [[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]] - .45 ACP]]

===Other Variants===
[[File:M1911A1PreWar.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Detailed screenshot of prewar M1911A1]]
[[Image:Kimber_Ultra_Crimson_Carry_II.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Kimber Ultra Carry Crimson II - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Kongsberg M1914.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Kongsberg M1914 - .45 ACP. The Kongsberg M/1914 is a Colt M1911 pistol produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, with a minor modification to the slide stop and stock.]]
[[Image:.38Super1911MachinePistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The real-life Dillinger's .38 Super M1911A1 Machine Pistol, for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 "Mil-Spec" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ED 45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMT Hardballer Longslide with laserlock sight as used in the film ''[[The Terminator]]'' - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:AMT_Hardballer_Hitman_Replica.jpg|390px|thumb|none|A near-perfect, firing, replica of the "Silverballers" from the Hitman series.]]

[[Image:MilSpec-1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Mil-spec M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This was one of the most commonly seen .45s used by LAPD SWAT before the Kimber Custom TLE II.]]
[[Image:0862731R.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 Commercial (Same marks of the movie's pistol) - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PC9111.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Professional 1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|450px|World War II Ithaca made M1911A1 with light grey finish - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PublicEnemies1.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Pre-War Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP used on ''[[Public Enemies]]'' (2009)]]
[[Image:SW1911pd.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911PD Tactical Rail - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911 Longslide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP. This model is very similar to the one in the episode on the ''[[Miami Vice (TV Series)]]''.]]
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1911A1 .45 ACP with Pachymar grips]]
[[Image:Taurus PT1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Taurus PT1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Bruni8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Bruni M1911A1-style blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:Para1911G.I..jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para 1911 G.I. Expert - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SA_loaded_m1911.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded M1911A1 - .45 ACP similar to the one used by Sydney Bristow from ''[[Alias]]''.]]
[[Image:Peter-1-5006-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Federal Ordnance PSP-07 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TIKI.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Strayer Voight Infinity TIKI - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CustomM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom Colt Series 80 M1911A1 pistol similair to one in the film ''[[Street Kings]]'' - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberUltraRaptor.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber Stainless Ultra Raptor - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance 6.45 LDA with spare magazines - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtDefenderRIGHT83.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Defender - .45 ACP was similar to the one used in the game ''[[Uncharted 2: Among Thieves]]''.]]
[[Image:GM45M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Hybrid 1911 "Gladys" fitted with a nickel plated three cut compensator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Delta 001.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Delta Elite - 10mm Auto]]
[[Image:SM178017.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 Pro Series - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SW108282.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson SW1911 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:KimberWarrior.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Kimber Warrior - .45 ACP like the one in the show ''[[24 - Season 8|24]]''.]]
[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Triple_Tap_IMM_Open_pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This SVI 1911 - .45 ACP is almost exactly like the one used in the film ''[[Triple Tap]]''. The description on the website reads, "IMM Open pistol made of carbon steel with Titanium compensator." (Picture supplied by sviguns.com)]]
[[Image:NiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:1911WideSpur.png|thumb|none|450px|Springfield GI 1911 A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ColtM1991A1L.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:The Veteran Colt 1991A1 Series 80.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M1991A1 Series 80 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1911A1USAF.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Black Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield_ultra_compact.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Springfield Armory Ultra Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:PX9105MLP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield Armory Loaded MC Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Springfield Armory 1911 Lightweight Operator - .45 ACP]]
[[image:Razorcat.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Limcat Custom 2011 RazorCat - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Sight-Tracker.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strayer Voigt Infinity Sight Tracker - .40 S&W. This is one of 10 pistols custom made by SVI for the television show ''[[Top Shot - Season 3|Top Shot]]''.]]
[[File:Para P14 Limited.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Para Ordnance P14 Limited, early model with vertical slide serrations - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Kimber ICQB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Kimber MCSOCOM ICQB - .45 ACP]]

==Video game appearances of this pistol series==

Why is it that the "Video Game appearances" tables have a column named "Passwords"? I don't think it's for passwords to unlock them, because to my knowledge very few video games actually have a password system to unlock weapons. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a "Notes" after the "Mods" section where certain pertinent but miscellaneous information can be written, such as what copyright-infringement-avoiding name it goes under in the game, or whether it is chambered in a non-standard caliber?

I'd like this cleared up. Oh, and someone needs to include a note saying that "mods" is short for "modifications/customizations for the weapon," not "downloadable modifications to the game itself."--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 06:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. Frankly I think both the "Mods" and "Passwords" sections can go, since the latter is pointless and the former's purpose can be adequately served by "Notes". --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 15:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

==Colt Government Model Section==
With regard to the following sentence:

''"Aside from Colt selling the M1911A1 to the US military, the gun was also sold under the name "Colt Government Model" to the civilian market, and called the "Pre-Series 70" guns today."''

First, the Colt Government Model was introduced in 1912, and as such, it was originally in the M1911 configuration. When the U.S. Military switched to the M1911A1 configuration in the mid 1920s, Colt began manufacturing their Government Models in the M1911A1 configuration as well. So early Government Models parallel the military's M1911 configuration, while later Government Models (after the mid 1920s) parallel the military's M1911A1 configuration. Additionally, not only pre-Series 70 guns are Government Models. Series 70 and Series 80 guns are both Government Models. In fact, Colt still makes the Government Model to this day in various configurations.

With regard to the following sentence:

''"For IMFDB purposes, this can also be referred to as an M1911A1. In this manner, there is no need to list film, television, anime, video games in this section."''

It is sloppy to refer to a Colt Government Model as an M1911A1. "M1911A1" is the U.S. Military designation for a particular type of gun, and most of them were not even made by Colt (Remington Rand [the typewriter company] made most of them). I can see referring to a gun as an "M1911 type" or "M1911A1 type" if the manufacturer can't be determined, but when you simply type "M1911" or "M1911A1" you are referring to a U.S. Military contract pistol.

On top of that, the pictured gun in the Colt Government Model section is not even a "Pre-Series 70", it is a pre-enhanced Series 80 Government Model.

--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

:So it's like how we don't call it the Beretta M9, we call it the Beretta 92FS. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

::With the M9 vs. 92FS situation, it is next to impossible to tell the difference between the two onscreen, unless there is a closeup allowing one to read the markings. In such cases I would say, if a civilian character is using the gun, it is probably intended to be a 92F or 92FS. If a military character is using it, it is probably intended to be an M9, regardless of what the actual prop is. I would assume that most—if not all—movie and TV props are actually 92Fs or 92FSs, because I don't believe that actual M9s have ever been made available for civilian sale.

::With the M1911 or M1911A1 vs. the Colt Government Model (or other brands of 1911-type guns), it is usually possible to tell the difference onscreen without being able to read the markings. For example, the Colt Government Model does not have a lanyard loop. Most M1911A1s were parkerized, while no Government Models were parkerized. When dealing with more modern Government Models, there are even more differences. For example, starting in 1950, Government Models started coming with a full-shelf thumb safety; while all M1911[A1]s had partial-shelf thumb safeties. Also at this time, Government Models started being given a finish with polished flats and matte radiuses, while blued and Du-Lite (similar to bluing in appearance) M1911A1s had polished radiuses and brushed flats or entirely polished (depending on the manufacturer and/or time of manufacture); and of course the more common parkerized M1911A1s were simply all matte.

::Additionally, the newer Government Models as mentioned above have narrow hammers with polished sides left "in the white", and polished chamber hoods also left "in the white". Many M1911A1s had wide-spur hammers, and the ones that had narrow hammers were fully finished (no polished "in the white" sides) and they all had fully blued barrels, including the otherwise parkerized ones (no polished "in the white" chamber hoods).

::Most of the Government Models you see onscreen from the early 70s to the mid-to-late '80s were actually 9mm versions, though they were usually representing a "forty-five" onscreen. This had to do with reliable functioning with readily available 9mm blanks. Colt introduced the 9mm version of the Government Model when they introduced the Series 70 in the early 1970s, and the 9mm version of the CGM had a lowered ejection port (while the .45 ACP version still had the standard military style ejection port). With the introduction of the Series 80 Government Model in 1983, the .45 ACP version also got a lowered ejection port. No M1911[A1] had a lowered ejection port.

::I'll give an example. In the show Magnum, P.I., his gun is blued with polished flats and matte radiuses; polished "in the white" chamber hood and hammer sides, and a lowered ejection port. It is clear from looking that the gun is a Series 70 Colt Government Model chambered for 9mm (though it was always addressed as a "forty-five" in the show's dialogue); and is definitely not an M1911A1. Recently the gun came up for auction and is now in the NRA's National Firearms Museum, and it has been confirmed that that is exactly what the main prop gun was (serial # 70L33101 to be exact).

::--[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 21:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

==Primary M1911 description==
Who wrote this? The historical paragraph (on the background of the M1911) implies that the M1911 was replaced by the U.S. Military AFTER Operation Desert Storm (1991) which is not true. The Beretta M92 (M9) was already approved and adopted by 1985.

Well for a period of time both the 1911 and M9 were in use by the U.S. military,therefore just because the M9 was in service does'nt mean it replaced the 1911 by that time, and for awhile soldiers actualy got to choose which weapon they prefered :o [[User:Leadback|Leadback]]
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The Beretta M9 officially replaced the M1911 in 1985. They still used the M1911, but they weren't buying anymore. They simply phased them out over the years. Now there are some units in the US military that still use the M1911. The M9 is really only used by conventional military nowadays. For example, the Navy SEALs don't even use the M9 or M1911 anymore. They have the H&K MK23 Mod 0. Which is a purpose-built USP .45. I've even heard of some SEALs using the Ruger Mk. II. It's a .22 target pistol with an integrated silencer on it.

Soldiers were never given the choice to choose. They were given the M9, but many didn't like it. It was big, many could not shoot it accurately, and lots contested the effectiveness of the 9x19 round. Lots of people I work with were in the military around the time of the switch, were given the M9, hated it, and decided just to keep carrying the M1911. It wasn't until they were given an official order that they were forced to carry the M9. And even there, there were times when they went back to the M1911s the military had stored up. For example, out in the deserts. The magazines the military bought were junk, got sand in them, and jammed. The M1911 functioned perfectly. Same thing is happening over there now.

wrong. Special Operations soldiers are given their choice of a sidearm( and assault rifle). 1stSFOD-D has been using 1911s since foundation. infact Larry Vickers (Nighthawk Customs) has worked very closely with Delta Force. Nighthawk 1911s are being used by Delta. 2- the Seals in Vietnam started out with the Ruger Mk II Suppressed. and know one still used the HK MK23. it was fazed out years ago because of how bulky it is. SEALs use the Sig Sauer P226 or USPs. but that is still a generalization. because all SOF have a choice in sidearm [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Para-Ordance==
Shouldnt these guns get their own page? Sure they are a 1911 varients, but their made by a totally different company.[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]] 00:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, but they're 1911 variants. This is the M1911 pistol series page, and they are 1911s. That's why they are on here. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I would prefer the Para Ordnance series of pistols have their own page due PRIMARILY to the fact that the Paras have a whole slew of different calibers that other M1911 makes and models don't have [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What calibers does para have that other 1911 manufactures do not have?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:22, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

On the main page, the LDA entry claims that some of the LDA models were made DA/SA with an exposed hammer, but that isnt true is it? I thought all the LDA were Double Action Only, with the exposed hammer simply for aesthetic reasons? -MissySummers-

== The M in the page title ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M in the page title incorrect? These are Colt 1911s (or 1911a1s, etc.), not Colt M1911s, unless referred to by US military nomenclature, just the same way that a Beretta 92f is an M9 only to the US Army and a SIG Sauer P228 is an M11 only in USAF terms. Just because it's the model of 1911 doesn't make it an M1911, any more than a '67 Shelby GT500 is an M67 Shelby GT500.[[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 08:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::No. The Colt pistol was formally adopted by the Army on March 29, 1911, thus gaining its designation, M1911 (Model of 1911). Only examples or prototypes prior to the year 1911 would NOT have the M designation (which is extremely rare). Between the years of 1907 and 1910 the Colt pistol was constantly being modified and re-designed to win the Army's trials for adoption of a new handgun. The gun was only mass produced AFTER winning the Army's pistol trials. The Beretta 92FS was already famous world wide and was commercially available as the 92F/FS for YEARS before the Army adopted it. Every 1911 design came AFTER the M1911 (aka Model of 1911) so it is the correct nomenclature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Using "1911" to refer to any and all pistols based on the M1911 design has only been popular for about fifteen years. Prior to that, the vast majority of such pistols were Colts, and were usually called "Colt .45s", even if they were pistols made by wartime contractors like Remington Rand. Those commercial guns that weren't made by Colt, as made by Vega, Randall, Federal Ordnance, Essex, etc., were called "clones", as they were generally close copies of the Colt. When makers started adding previously "custom" features to production-line guns, and branching into areas that Colt hadn't, a new name was needed, and "1911" became popular. The problem that I have with the various names on the site is the mixing of military and commercial designations; a gun cannot be a "M1911A1 Government Model", as M1911A1 is a military designation, and Government Model is what Colt has always called the civilian version of the "M" military pistols. Colt has made M1911s (1912-circa 1924), M1911A1s (circa 1926-1945), and Government Models (1912-date), but you can't mix or combine those names without confusing the issue.

==Caliber question==
I thought I would ask permission before making this change considering how important this article is: in the specifications category the caliber is listed solely as .45 ACP. I was wondering whether or not that should be changed to include .380 ACP, .38 Super, 9mm, and .40 S&W?
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

No, since the ORIGINAL Colt M1911 is .45 ACP Caliber, it should stay like that, since copies of the M1911 maybe have different calibers those should be put on the "copy" section

Agreed --[[PunisherDave]]

==M1991 Series==
I was wondering: what exactly is the difference between the 1911 series and the 1991 series? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Colt introduced (announced) the M1991A1 in 1991 as a sort of economy version of the Government Model, resembling the military M1911A1, and with the serial numbers picking up where the military gun left off after WWII. The gun was made in that form until about 2003, at which time the finish was changed to polished blue rather than matte blue, and the black rubber grips replaced with checkered wood.
:I heard a guy explain on youtube that 1991 got "extra safety feature" which blocked firing pin movement entirely when trigger was not pressed; allegedly this modification appeared after a incident involving police officer accidentally killing suspect while snapping him with the gun. However, this modification somehow managed to eject firing pin from the slide during decocking so only few people liked it --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::The YouTube guy doesn't know what he's talking about. The Colt M1991A1 did have the Series 80 firing pin safety, but this was introduced on all Colt Government Models in the early 1980s when the Series 80 version replaced the Series 70. The modification has never caused any problems, aside from perhaps complicating the trigger pull slightly, making it a little more difficult to achieve a good "trigger job". Also, the Series 80 parts are easily removed (and normally a few other minor things are done), and the gun will function just fine, in the same manner as a pre-Series 80 gun. The Series 80 firing pin safety wasn't prompted by any specific accidental police shooting. The only thing a non-Series 80 1911-type gun can accidentally shoot due to the lack of a firing pin safety is the ground. In other words, if a non-Series 80 1911-type gun is dropped from a significantly high height (6 feet or so I believe) directly onto its muzzle, the firing pin can continue forward with enough inertia to dent the primer, thus firing the gun (into the ground of course).

::It is too bad that Colt went to the trouble of designing the Series 80 modifications back in the early '80s, because the remote risk of accidental discharge as I described above is more easily solved by simply using a titanium firing pin (rather than the usual steel firing pin) along with a different weight firing pin spring. Since the titanium firing pin weighs less than a steel one, it has less inertia, and a 1911 so-equipped will pass the drop test just fine. In fact, Colt now uses titanium firing pins on their Series 70 Government Models that they started reissuing several years ago. If Colt had thought of the titanium firing pin idea back in the early '80s, they wouldn't have had to make any actual changes to the legendary 1911 design (changes which annoyed a lot of people), and they might not have lost so much of the 1911 market.

::Now, about the M1991A1: it went through a few different incarnations, but it originally was simply an economy version of the Series 80 Colt Government Model. Instead of the polished blue finish of the Government Model (polished flats and matte radiuses), it had an all-matte blue finish. It also had really cheap plastic grips that didn't fit well (they fell short of the bottom of the grip frame by about 3/16"). It also had a big, ugly rollmark on the slide, with "M1991A1" emblazoned in huge block letters. Finally, it came with a flat mainspring housing and a long trigger (both plastic), which was like the original M1911 (pre-M1911A1), which was ironic considering it was named M1991'''A1'''. --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 09:13, 17 December 2011 (CST)

==Terminator 2==
It was my understanding that the 1911 used in the film was a custom Colt frame with a fitted Detonic slide. Was it a combatmaster slide? [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== blank firers / K911 ==

I've added/moved blank firing Kimar 911 to the bottom of page as told by MoviePropMaster2008 ''("Non-firing replicas of the M1911 belong on the bottom of the M1911 page. Thanks.")'' 
But I wonder, shouldn't there be an entire sub-category of blank firers (with K911 being sub-section of this) in order to distinguish blanks from the real ones? It ''might'' look confusing this way. And also, I made multiple photos of K911 for what I thought would be it's page here including disassembled weapon photo, so perhaps these unused ones might be deleted? --[[User:Cover72|Cover72]] 21:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

==Strayer Voigt Infinity ==
This gun is using a frame from STI, they call that frame the 2011, it's double stacked. And is made from steel and polymer.

:are Strayer Voigt Infinity custom built guns? or just have alot of models? Rex095

The modular frames look exactly like those used by STI. http://www.sviguns.com
Don't know if they collaborate or something. They (SVI) have more optional grips than STI.

Both companies reside in Texas.
::Read up: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strayer_Voigt_Inc]

Does anyone know the mag cap for a Strayer Voigt Infinity in 45acp? - captain snikt

==Police service pistols==

Before the 90s were American Police ever issued the M1911, or were they're only given to the FBI and SWAT team?

- Some regular state/county/municipal departments might have used a 1911 as a standard duty-weapon before semiautos came into heavy use following the eighties, but I imagine that's a very low number. I certainly don't know of any specific departments myself offhand. Not that many departments use 'em much today. As a 1911 generally was considered a large pistol with a fairly powerful round it wasn't considered easy to use and handle by regular officers. Same general reason why departments in older times stuck with .38s over .357s - The .357 was generally considered too powerful for standard-duty officers. As such, most police departments used 9mms when they first went to automatics in the eighties as there were few semiauto calibers with lower recoil impulse and power at the time than .45ACP.

Some other police units might have used 1911s when it suited them - Homicide detectives in our county's police dept. carried 1911 type pistols, though I don't think that was the county's standard sidearm for uniformed officers. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

:There's another reason, besides caliber, that the 1911 wouldn't have been too popular in the old days - it's a single-action. Before DA-only became more acceptable (i.e. Glocks), most LE departments preferred handguns that were SA/DA. Almost all police revolvers used prior to the 1980s, like the S&W Model 15 and 19, or the Colt Python, were single- or double-action. This bias continued into the 1980s when a lot of departments started adopting the Beretta 92F and the 3rd Generation Smith & Wesson autos. Now that Glocks have been around long enough, DA-only is finally becoming the standard. But SA-only is pretty much a no-go to any LE agency, and that's the way it was even before the 1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Glocks SA-only? The firing pin is cocked by cambering a round?

Would a Smith and Wesson Model 39 or 639 or Colt Commander be more acceptable for police use back then?

- To MT, that's a good point as well. SA weapons do require a lot of training and familiarity to operate effectively and safely, and as such, again, weren't considered practical for regular police officers either. Very good to point out. If I'm not mistaken, that's one of the main reasons why the 1911 fell out of favor in the Armed Forces as well - the fact they required extensive training and familiarity to use and carry safely. DA weapons are easier to train and operate with. Very true.

As for the Glock question, no, Glocks are actually DA only.

As for actions - In a Single-Action (SA) firearm, the hammer must be manually cocked to a firing position prior to pulling the trigger. Just like revolvers of the old west. Double action firearms will both cock and release the hammer when the trigger is pulled. SA/DA firearms use double-action by default, but feature an externally accessible hammer to allow single-action style firing (by cocking the hammer back and then pulling the trigger). Modern revolvers are perhaps the simplest examples of this.

DAO (Double-Action-Only) firearms only fire by double-action as they don't have an accessible hammer for single-action cocking. Such as Glock and various other semiauto pistols.

So if you have empty casing in the chamber, an pull the trigger several times, you would hear a loud click every time because the firing pin would be cocked every time? That's what happens in a DAO gun. If not, it's a SAO.

And on the last question, yes the Smith 39/59 pistols were used by police departments back then. Illinois State Police used the 59 back in the 60s/70s if I remember my Jane's Gun Recognition book correctly. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Correction, Glocks are not DAO. They fire from a half-cocked position. When you dry fire the gun, the hammer falls and must be recocked by racking the slide, it does not cock by double action springs. That's why the have a slightly heavy trigger pull, they are half cocked, and are brought to full cock and dropped by pulling the trigger. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::: Bah, how did I miss that.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:05, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

i thought glocks were striker-fired?

I think I read that Tacoma, WA police carry 1911s as standard issue service weapons.

I read on another forum that the LAPD authorises 1911 varients to officers, however they have to go through an intense training program to be authorised for it and they have to re-qualify ever few months too. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:30, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Yes. A Glock is a "striker-fired" weapon so technically it is not either double action or single action because a glock doesnt have a hammer but instead releases the firing pin inside the slide. However if you were going to have to compare it, Single Action would be the closest term. Because the firing pin is "cocked" when the slide is racked and then the trigger only releases it and firing the round. Additionally a Glock does not qualify as a double action because it in no way cocks anything with the trigger. The trigger on a Glock can not be pulled again without cycling the weapon, whereas on a gun that is a double action the trigger can be pulled and the hammer actuated multiple times without cycling the weapon. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

==Versus modern pistols==

One thing I've noticed about this pistol is that almost everyone loves it, as though it were the best, most versatile handgun ever made. But really, what makes this thing, almost 100 years old now, any better than any modern pistols? Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 21:54, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Familiarity, accuracy, ease of getting parts, feel, simplicity (yes I know there are designs that are simpler, but for what this pistol is, it is simple), many different makes and models of the 1911, modularity, traditionalism. There are many makes and models of the 1911 style that have the same features as many modern "wonder guns". Want more ammo? Get a Para Ord P14, ditto for DA, and DA/SA. Want a 9mm/ 10mm/ etc? there are many types of 1911 platform pistols ranging from .22lr to .44 Magnum. A quote I heard about the 1911 a few years ago is "It's like a '32 Ford Hotrod, its cheap, reliable, powerful, fun, and is easy to make it your own. Just don't think you'll get much mileage out of a tank of gas." Now tell me can you put custom grips, barrels, sights, slides, frames, triggers, hammers, finishes, safeties, slide releases magazines, etc etc etc on a Glock, XD, SIG, Beretta, etc? Maby a few of those, but at what price, and can you do it all? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

: ''Really, modern pistols can fire the same rounds, bigger clips, better design, picatinny rails, etc.''

- Funny, several pistols I can think of that fit that criteria are little more than updated 1911 pistols. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:08, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

"bigger clips"
: Fail. I believe you meant Magazines. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
ya Unless your talkin about a Mauser broomhandle (which you're not) I would prefer if you said magazine instead of clip

::Actually, that's another thing I'm questioning. Really, what is the difference between the detaachable box magazines and clips? I mean, clips hold bullets for easy loading, right? SO wouldn't modern detachable magazines be classified as clips too?--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 20:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Simplest way I can put this - a clip loads a magazine. The magazine is what the gun feeds from - NOT THE CLIP. It just so happens that on some guns, the magazine is affixed to the weapon (the M1 Garand and the Mauser, for example). Thus, users have to use clips to reload them. On, say, a M1911 or an M16, the magazine falls out, thus allowing the user to swap in a new one when needed. A magazine could hold a clip, if so designed...but that particular road is one-way only. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 20:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

::The "clip vs. magazine" distinction is something that really needs to be clarified, and one of the reasons why I asked for the "general information" section in the first place. Hopefully someone can make a good article there showing the various type of bullet clips and why they should not be confused with magazines. By the way, revolvers when not loaded manually use bullet clips. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 05:03, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

considering that this page is dedicated to the 1911 which is generally made in .45 does anyone else find it somewhat stupid that our military and most police departments are using handguns that have been known for their lack of stopping power. there are better handguns out there that hold a generous amount of .45 ammunition anyway. for example the Nighthawk FLX holds 12-14. the HK USP/HK45, and the Infinity handgun line are double stacked. and even if most .45s hold 7-10 isnt that enough in most scenarios. 7 .45 slugs does the work of at least 20. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 00:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Its the same reason that police used the .38 Special for so many years even after the .357 came out. Politics, logistics, ability to handle the round, etc etc... -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:With regard to caliber, police need rounds that can penetrate car bodies, doors, walls, etc. .45 rounds are not known for penetration. Also, while the .45 round is more effective against soft tissue than 9mm and .40 S&W rounds, anyone who tries to claim that 7 .45 rounds can do the work of 20 9mm or .40 rounds is completely dillusional. Watch ballistic test videos. A .45 slug entering the body does more damage than a 9mm round entering the body. If you try to claim that one .45 wound is more damaging than 2 9mm wounds with any decent grouping than you clearly have no understanding of physics or human anatomy.

But the fact remains with a 9mm you dont want him dead in the half hour it will take for him to bleed out. you want him dead NOW. with the .45 hes going to feel it. he aint gunna get back up. with the 9mm he might just keep firing.
:Depending on shot placement. A 9mm slug to the heart or any of the major arteries surrounding it will cause death within several seconds. The same is true of a shot to most areas of the skull. .45 does have increased lethality over 9mm, but that degree of superiority has been greatly exaggerated.

Yeah but a 9mm can pass through a person and keep going, a .45 doesn't. I would imagine you wouldn't want those two 9mm rounds going through a person and hitting an innocent bystander. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 16:28, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

It all really comes down to preference. Honestly a body shot with any round is not guaranteed to kill or stop anyone. The only thing guaranteed to immediately incapacitate someone is to severing the brain from the rest of the body. Recoil is also a big factor. If you cant shoot it it doesnt matter what you carry. People and police departments have to find the weapon that will work best for them. Personally I like the .45 and I own a 1911. The most important feature on the 1911 for me is its thinness with the single stack mag. Honestly I think my Sig 229 .40 kicks more violently and is harder to shoot than my .45. I know a lot of people who do not like the .45 and much prefer their 9mm because they are better with it. -[[User:Peejn8r|Peejn8r]]

Modern 9mm JHP and .45 ACP JHP in ballestic gel create near equal wounds. I can post reference links if anyone wants them. The whole thing about magazine capacity isn't really a problem as 99% of the time, only three shots are fired at most. Even with police, most of the time, no more than 3 rounds are fired.

Carry what guns suits you best, whether its a .22LR or its a .45 ACP. Once I turn 21, I plan on getting a SIG 1911 with a 4" barrel in .45 ACP but for the time being, I have to stick with my XD40.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:01, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

==Variants NOT listed with any film/TV/game appearances==

- I've taken it upon myself to remove several listed variants that had no list of anything that they've appeared in. Guns posted that didn't say they were in anything - Not one movie, TV show episode, video game, nothing. A couple of which I don't think have appeared on anything and seem to have been put up just for the hell of it.

Now I know we have a lot of 1911 variants on the page, but the page is not intended to show/describe ''every'' variant of 1911 ever made, but only those ''that have actually appeared in something'', as quoted by some of the admins. I just find it a bit annoying to have to scroll down the page and see numerous 1911 pistols that have nothing listed under them (Again, with some looking like they were just added for the sake of being there), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, clearing said sections out now. If it seems like an unusual or otherwise noteworthy variant, I'll add it to the 'additional variants' section below. Bottom-line, if it ain't actually been in anything, ''don't add it'', no matter how cool it is or whatever. If it has been in something, then next time, don't half-ass - If you're going to bother with the effort of putting it up in the first place, do it 100% and say what it's appeared in. Thanks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==Kimber==
in the Kimber Warrior section it is listed as "Warrior II", which is wrong, the Warrior is built to full military specs and never got the "II" desinated saftey system...so it is just a Warrior because kimber only puts the II on the models they put their special saftey on.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==Controversy igniter==
I am fully aware that what I am about to say will probably ignite the greatest firestorm of controversy this site has seen in a while. I have fired several 1911 pistols and found them to be a good, solid design. That said, it doesn’t change the fact that I think this is undoubtedly the most overrated firearm in history. Throughout the entire gun community there is the consensus that this is the absolute greatest thing ever conceived by the mind of man and anyone who says anything different is a blasphemer. Again, I am not saying it is a bad pistol, I just don’t think it is best (I won’t say what my top choice is for fear of causing even more indignation to come my way). Though even if it were the undisputed best pistol design around, I still don’t think it would be so significantly greater than other designs as to warrant being the object of the worship and masturbatory fantasies of every gun enthusiast in the world as it currently is. That’s my two cents, I await the fallout.

:I smell a troll.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd say he's not because he seems to explain his point. At least his reasoning isn't 'this gun sukzz' [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

:My main reasoning is that the weapons are predominately single action only, which necessitates that they either be carried condition three (which makes the pistol slow to bring into action), or condition one (which many consider unsafe). The double/single action and double action only systems have become omnipresent in most modern combat pistols for good reason. Additionally, while a generally reliable design, many other pistols have surpassed 1911 models in ruggedness and reliability. Another thing that I find odd is the vast variety of weapons that are claimed to be “1911s.” For instance, I have seen subcompact, double action only, double-column “1911s” in many calibers other than .45acp. At this point the only common feature between these weapons and the original Colt 1911 design are a loose aesthetic resemblance. The internal mechanisms maybe similar as well, but many other pistols share a far greater functional similarity to 1911s yet do not bear the moniker. At what point does a gun cease being a “1911” and become something simply trying to cash in on a famous name sake?

It is human nature to emulate successful designs in the hopes of getting a piece of that pie, especially in the modern business world. Less-refined terms for this behaviour include "jumping on the bandwagon" or "riding a gravy train." It's nothing new now in the firearms industry, what with all the AR-15 variants, Glock knock-offs, and (of course) countless "1911-type" pistols around. What defines a "1911-type" pistol is really matter of personal preference.

I would, however, agree that it's foolish to fetishize a type of firearm or a firearms manufacturer just because of its track record or Public Relations budget. There is no such thing as the "perfect" weapon in the real world--every design involves tradeoffs, and that's even before you include the "human factor." Designs can always be improved. What matters most is what you can use the most effectively in a consistent manner. And if you can't, then you ought to get yourself another weapon or train more.

Speaking of "best pistol ever," I remember how H&K tried to label their 4.6x30mm pistol as "the Ultimate Combat Pistol," but it got unceremoniously cancelled, because of "inadequate ballistics in a handgun format." So much for "Ultimate Combat Pistol"--now it joins the legions of "Useless Cancelled Pistols" that came before it. Perhaps it could have had a chance if it were a machine pistol instead, dubbed the "MP7 UltraComPact," in essence an MP7 PDW in handgun format. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 00:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:What I would like to know is what is it about the 1911 that supposedly makes it the best. I've heard people say it is the greatest pistol ever for more than a decade yet never explain what ''specific'' features or advantages it has that make it so good.

You should head on over to the forum and ask that question: "What makes the M1911 pistol so great compared to everything else, and when does an M1911 stop being one and start being a pistol just pretending to be one?" I'm sure there are more people there who could answer your questions better than what you could get here. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes the 1911 the "best"? There are many reasons for the following it has. I am of course referring to the original 1911A1 model, not the double stack nor double action variants. For one, the single action trigger is extremely easy to train with and use by a lot of people. Second, it has redundant safety systems in place. Even with the manual safety off, it will not fire unless the grip safety is fully pressed, though this safety system is seen by a few as a con of the design. Third, it utilized a single stack design. That coupled with the angle of the grip is a very comfortable for a majority of the people. The degree of the grip angle was chosen because, for a lot of people, it is a natural point meaning that one could close ones eyes and bring the pistol up and have it pointing directly at the target. Fourth, it fired the .45 ACP. The .45ACP is a proven manstopper especially when compared to the other rounds utilized at the time of its adoption and until the development of reliable hollow point designs. Lastly, I would argue that compared to many other designs, such as the Mauser C96, Luger,etc..., the 1911 was easily field strip as the pieces of the pistol were designed to aid in the stripping down of the firearm. Compared to todays plethora of firearms, the 1911 is no longer the only pistol to chamber effective rounds or reliability. Why is it still popular then? Because some people still favor the 1911 design. Overrated, I don't think so. There is a reason why it is still chosen over other designs. Is it the end-all-be-all of pistol design? No, I would say it isn't. Anyway, from everything I've read, personal experience, and research that is what I have come up with. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 21:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Everything you have described establishes that the gun is a good design, perhaps the best gun around when it first came out, but does not explain it's enduring following. The grip may be confortable for many people, but that is far too subjective to explain why so many people (with so many different hand sizes) still favor this gun. It's single stack magazine make it a confortable target and practical concealed carry weapon, but the limited capacity it offers can be a death trap in a combat weapon (which many still claim the 1911 is the quintessential example of). The .45 ACP is a great round against soft targets, but does not offer very good penetration or long distance acuracy. And with the isistance on reliable "Soldier Proof" weapons in most of today's militaries, many modern pistols are more reliable and easier to strip than the original 1911s. I don't deny that the 1911 was most likely the best pistol in the world when it came out and for a few decades after, but I don't think it still warrents that praise anymore, yet almost every gun Television show, magazine, website, etc. seems to constantly proclaim its supremacy.

To answer your first point. The single stack, thin handgrip is easily usable by people of differing handtypes. You say its subjective but isn't how something feels in someones hand subjective? For example, the M9/Beretta 92FS has a thick grip. Bigger hands have no problem with the grip but smaller hands do. The slim 1911 grip can be used by big hands or little hands. The grip angle is something else that many people find comfortable. You second point that you made was the single stack "death trap". You say that the single stack is a liability. But capacity isn't everything. 7+ rounds of .45 ACP is good. The .45ACP has a well known reputation for one shot stops. The 9mm of the Beretta 92 or Glock 17 does not have that reputation. As for the .45ACP, it is not meant to penetrate body armor, neither is the standard 9mm, but it is accurate over long distances. There are very few pistol rounds that are meant to penetrate body armor of vehicle armor, which is what I think that you are getting at. If you draw a pistol in a combat zone, you are already in deep trouble or in a position where a high capacity is not needed, i.e. MP's. Anyway, a pistol is not meant to be accurate at long distances so the point is moot. As for the "Soldier Proof" weapons, that is just a cheap way out of training soldiers correctly, as they did with the A2 model of the M16. A milspec 1911 is just as reliable as newer designs. One such argument is that the 1911 was only tested for 6000 rounds with no failure before cleaning while Glock for example is tested at 30,000 rounds. What soldier won't clean his sidearm after 6000 rounds? What battle involves firing 6000 rounds out of a pistol? If you can't see why the 1911 design is praised and still being used then I can't help any further. The 1911 design has many good points that apparently many people still find better than other designs, and many still find the 1911 a proven and effective design.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 22:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Apparently I wasn't clear when I rebutted you last time. The single stack is confortable for people with small hands yes. However, people with larger hands, and even some small handed people, have no problem with thicker grips and so the capacity limiting single stack serves no purpose. The grip angle is a completely subjective feature and so it is imposible to argue that one style is better than another. What matters more is simply what one is used to. You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications, however my point wasn't that the 1911 is bad (it is a good weapon) but simply that there are better guns out their. 7 or 8 rounds may be enough for most encounters, but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often. Also, when I referenced penetration I had things like doors, walls, and car bodies in mind, not armor. The .38 Super cartridge was specifically developed because the .45 could not penetrate car bodies effectively. Your previous post all focuses on arguing that the 1911 is an ''adequate'' combat pistol which I completely agree with. My whole point is that the features you mentioned ''do not make it the best pistol around.'' When I first began this conversation I stated that the 1911 is not a bad gun, simply that with all the pistol designs that have emerged in the past century it is no longer the greatest pistol in the world, yet nearly everyone in the gun community (yourself clearly included) still claim it is for no other reason than people like its grip (which is subjective), its caliber (which is used in many much modern modern firearms), and its history (which can easily make it a favorite gun but can not be used as justification for it being the best).

::'''"You are right that 7-9 rounds of ammunition and 6000 rounds before cleaning is more than adequate for most applications"'''

::"Before cleaning"? What do you think; that it will malfunction on the 6001st round if you don't clean it? The gun is as dirty as it is going to get after a few hundred rounds. When you've fired a gun 6000 times in a row without cleaning and with no malfunctions, that means that when the gun finally does malfunction it won't be because it is dirty; it will most likely continue to function properly until something breaks.

::'''"but having 12-17 rounds and being able to fire 30,000+ rounds before cleaning is an advantage, whether or not one will utalize those features often."'''

::Just so you know, the M1911 didn't malfunction on the 6000th round. It didn't malfunction at all. They stopped after 6000 rounds because that is how many rounds they had decided beforehand would be adequate for a test. Any gun that can fire 6000 rounds without malfunctioning can most likely fire indefinitely without malfunctioning, until something breaks. And keep in mind that the M1911 did this 100 years ago, being built out of the relatively poor grades of steel of the day (steel was greatly improved after WWII, even though no U.S. military M1911 or M1911A1 ever got to take advantage of it, because none were bought after WWII). Also, those things you mentioned are ''potential'' advantages. A potential advantage that isn't used at all is not an actual advantage, obviously.

::30,000 rounds is overkill for a test. Most people will never fire anywhere near that many rounds through their handgun (especially without cleaning), and even if they did, who would want to trust their life to a gun that has 30,000 rounds worth of wear and tear on it? --[[User:MaximRecoil|MaximRecoil]] 13:18, 17 December 2011 (CST)

You were arguing the design flaws but it is the design that is one of the big reasons it has such a following. Since you are arguing one view against the other. Why a lot of people think that it is the best. The design is one reason, history is another, the round it fires is yet another reason. I actually don't think it is the best I was merely stating the reasons that it is popular and why people say it is the best. I like the Beretta 92fs for its grip and certain design attributes and the Glock 21sf for different reasons. Would I object to using the 1911 in combat. No. Would I use the Beretta 92fs in combat with FMJ ammo? Not if I didn't have to. With HP ammo, I wouldn't hesitate to use the Beretta. But even your view of other designs being better is subjective. If a pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...is reliable and fires a moderately effective round then it is a good design. What makes it the best is subjective as far as it goes. What one pistol may be best at is what makes it worst at something else. There is no way to objectively define the "best" just what is better than something else.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 00:17, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:I agree. I don't have any gun in mind that I think is indisputably better than all others. The features I pointed out I did so to demonstrate that in certain aspects the 1911 is inferior to other disigns, not that said other designs are the perfect weapon. Every design is a give and take of different features. Because of this, my main complaint was a pervaisive belief that the 1911 is unquestioningly the greatest gun ever (I have heard that phrase Verbatim in many issues of Guns & Ammo). Is it better in some aspects than double-collumn, double-action 9mm pistols? Yes. Is it better across the board? Absolutly not. I apologize if at any point I have come across as confrontational, it is just that I have heard so many people assert the 1911's complete supremacy so many times that it has really gotten on my nerves and I wanted to know what others thought.

Google "1911"...then google any other gun...now tell me which one has the most varieties...which one has the most after market parts and pieces for the specialist. Which one has the most surplus parts. Its so popular and so famous because if you wanted to you could make one look like no other one or you could make it look like that one in your favorite movie. Not only that but all the diffrent calibers from 45cal to the awesome and unbeatable 10mm. Plus they are sexy as hell. To sum up you can basically have a beautiful, functional, all steel combat pistol in your choice of caliber and its going to feel like a dream in your hands.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

:The madness of crowds surely knows few bounds--just look at how the various bottled water companies manage to make a killing selling what is essentially tap water, because people will do often do things just because enough other people tell them it's a good idea. Then again, I suppose the "cult following" that some pistol-types have over others is due in part to the following facts:

:*Pistols are rarely if ever primary combat weapons anymore, with the exception of law enforcement.
:*Few people who routinely carry pistols have to regularly use them in gun battles against opponents who are earnestly trying to kill them.

:Therefore there aren't many occasions for most pistol-carriers to test their assumptions in the most revealing field of all--life-or-death situations. So depending on your circumstances you can go a lifetime without ever putting the hype in the harsh light of real return-fire. I'd bet on the M1911-type (the "pure" single-stack .45 ACP M1911s) pistols selling so much mostly because of its hype and history, and that it is, at its heart, a serviceable (though hardly optimal) weapon. Given how many clones there are, however, I really must wonder what would have happened had Colt become the sole copyright holder for this pistol type--would we see more innovation that way, or just countless clones of some other pistol type? Perhaps a more revealing, specific question would be "How does the M1911 platform compare to the Glock platform or CZ-75 platform?" That could work because all three are successful pistol types offered in multiple calibers, including 9x19mm, .45 ACP, and 10mm Auto.

:Bottom line? The "pure" M1911 works, but we can certainly do better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 04:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

::Exactly

Ok, well answer me this then. Why if the 1911 is all hype and legend does MEUSOC still issue 1911s? Why does Delta give out a stipend to have an operator buy his own custom 1911? Why does the FBI HRT use 1911s? and LAPD SWAT? and so many other groups that use pistols? The reasons the wonder 9s came into popularity are lower recoil (marginal), size (marginal) higher capacity (less training in marksmanship), weight (long since gone by the wayside), to match ammo with other NATO countries (Military), and hype/ cool factor (civilian). The 1911 has served admirably (in one capacity or another) with few major changes to the platform for almost 100 years. The Beretta, Glock, CZ-75, etc. have been redesigned and "improved" since they came out just to try and match the 1911s in popularity, reliability, etc.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 17:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

:Sure thing. How many of these operators you mentioned fulfill the conditions I mentioned above, namely that they regularly use pistols as their primary combat weapons instead of SMGs/PDWs/Rifles and often engage in gunfights with earnest, aware opponents? And other combat platforms for the .45 ACP won out, such as the Mk. 23 SOCOM pistol which won out over Colt's version. The "improved" Beretta, Glock, CZ-75 you mentioned have done so to fit consumer demand and market competition, but national armed forces aren't that commercial and competitive most of the time because of how many contracts and vested interests are running the show. I simply said that the "Pure" M1911 platform works when used, but it can be improved, otherwise the Mk.23 SOCOM wouldn't have won the OHWS program. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::A lot of Special Forces don't even use the Mk. 23 due to its bulky and awkward size. Many Navy SEALs opt to use 9mm SIG-Sauer Pistols

H&K won the competition because they strictly adhered to all of the requirements (some of which were asinine), and they put in the best bid. When USSOCOM received the Mk. 23 they got exactly what they asked for but not what they had actually wanted. The SEALS who used it complained about how it was too big, heavy, and its cons outweighed its pros. They tried to pawn them off on the ARMY but no one there would touch them, so most of them went back to H&K. As with all things military, big brass does not listen to the guys who actually have to use the equipment until its too late.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to toss my thoughts into the mix. Being a Brit getting a hold of a real firearm is harder than getting away with stealing the Popes hat, but I am an avid airsofter and I have held and fired many different types of airsoft pistols ranging from HK USPs, to Glocks, to Berettas, to SIGs. But I still go back to my 1911s to which I have 2 (I'm awaiting delivery of a third). I don't have tiny hands but I don't have big bear hands and the 1911 design feels right in my hands. I use a weaver stance and the 1911 is the best pistol for hand placement in that stance, I had an issue with the Beretta that sometimes my thumb could slip onto the slide locking mechinism and prevent slide lock. With Glocks they felt too top heavy for me, maybe it's how the airsoft Glocks are designed and it's not like that on the Real steel. I used a SIG for quite a while as that felt pretty good, but as soon as I picked up a 1911 I needed one. After a little practice I can draw, remove the safety and bring the pistol up to the target in a little under 2 seconds. Why do I like the 1911 so much? It's all about the placement, the safety is right by your thumb so when you draw it you can use one motion to bring the pistol up and deactivate the safety. I found the Beretta to be a bit of a fumbling job deactivating the safety mid draw. Why the 1911 design is still praised isn't down to some cult following, it's down to simple ergonomics, it looks great, the functionality is great, the placement of everything on the pistol is perfect. I saw someone post that they would rather be able to fire 30,000 shots and not have to clean their pistol rather than 6000. I don't know about you but if I only fired off one shot from my pistol in a battle I would still clean it to make sure nothing is going to cause a problem next time. Better to be safe than sorry. --[[User:Cool-breeze|Cool-breeze]] 17:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I think it depends by what you define as 'best', and what you need the gun for. In my mind, if you want an M1911 variant, get a Para-Ordnance LDA. Like the P14.45, but double action. If you want a cheap, reliable, accurate semi-auto, do what everybody else does, get a Glock 17 and stop moaning. Your moaning about not people liking 7-round magazines (we've moved on to higher-capacity ones-in my mind, if armies must use M1911 variants, use Para-Ordnance's. 7 or 8 rounds plus one in the chamber is just awful, and you'll run out quickly.) is making the world of semi-auto's remain stuck in the 20th century. Embrace the future! With pistols like the Caracal, FN Herstal Five-seveN, and many other great ones, it's not half bad.

== Ballester-Molina ==

The Ballester-Molina should not be included in the 1911 page. It's not a 1911, only the mags and barrel interchange. Internally it's based on the Star Model A, which has significant differences from the 1911 in terms of lockwork. Unless anyone objects I'm going to create a separate page for it. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

== Link share ==

Hello there,

This is a question for the webmaster/admin here at www.imfdb.org.

Can I use part of the information from this blog post right above if I give a link back to your site?

Thanks,
Daniel

== Dreamworks Animation ==

When are you guys going to add animated films from Dreamworks like Monsters vs. Aliens and Megamind, because they have guns used by police and the military.

Just because there are guns in it doesn't mean it gets a page here. Are they recognisable as real guns, or are they stylised ones? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 09:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

They are real guns in the animated films, like in Monsters vs Aliens, the soldiers used some M16 rifles to shoot at the alien, and in Megamind, the police uses rifles and pistols on aiming the villain, who is walking.

OK, I'm going to assume that you haven't read the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] page, most notably [[Rules, Standards and Principles#Anime: Rules & Restrictions|this section]]. Read that, then check back. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

But wait, why do we have video game pages then? Firearms in them barely resemble real ones --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok sorry, no big deal, lets not add cartoons yet, because they have to wait.

:@Jackbel. Because in video games you can clearly identify the guns, and no the good ones do not just 'barely resemble real ones.' As a video game person you should know this, unless Australia has weird rules about depicting guns in video games. The reason cartoons are generally not allowed is because unlike anime, most cartoons have a generic silouette of a 'gun' while most animes have enough detail to be able to determine what guns was used. Think [[Ghost in the Shell]] or [[Cowboy Bebop]].--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==.45 Blanks==

I've read a lot here that .45 blanks used to be unreliable. I was wondering when they started to become a bit more reliable and why they were unreliable? I can't find that anywhere.

I thought it wasn't really the blanks being unreliable so much as it just being easier to blank-convert a 9mm than a .45. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

.45 pistols require more recoil force to cycle their actions than 9mms. Since blank rounds have virtually no recoil, .45s are much harder to convert to use blanks.

Ah right. Is there some new way of converting them now because I've started to notice that in recent years there have been a lot of films using .45 ACP versions of pistols that are also chambered in 9mm. Die Hard 4.0 for example, McClane as a P220 in .45 ACP. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:37, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
::''"Is it explicitly stated that the prop gun was chambered in .45"'' We have a pic of the actual screen used gun and is listed as .45 ACP. I think all newer P220s are chambered in .45, only some of the older ones were chambered in 9mm and .38 Super. Also the .45 being unreliable with blanks. I don't think it encompassed all .45 chambered pistols. I think it was only in the 1911 platform. With the 9mm being a much smaller blank and having the large ejection port made for the .45 it was easier to eject them.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SIGP220R LiveFreeDieHard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer P220R - .45 ACP. This is the screen used gun in the film and was carried and fired by ''[[Bruce Willis]]''.]]
::: Just checking. Especially after the whole issue with the Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Long (and detailed!)story short. For a 1911 to fire blanks reliably you must first drill and tap the barrel for a blank adapter, then taper the barrel hood, then grind off the locking lugs, and remove the barrel linkage. Once that is done, the testing for a reliable adapter and blank combo ensues (you may or may not need to enlarge the ejection port too). I figure its pretty much the same with other pistols...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a very complex process. I'm assuming if you do that well though the 1911 will cycle blanks as well as 9mm blanks. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I read an article in a gun magazine a few years back about blanks and it said that it comes down to the casings used. According to the article, blanks are made from rifle brass because it has to be long enough to be crimped and still be long enough to be the length of a real cartridge. The problem with .45 acp ammo is that until recently there was no rifle brass in .45 diameter that could be used for blanks. I remember reading back when "Miami Vice" was on that Timothy La France had brass custom manufactured in .45 for blanks. -- David, 3 December 2010 (well, its the 3rd where I live)

==Laseraim Series III?==

So what is this thing?
[[Image:LaserAimSeriesIIIPistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|LaserAim Series III Pistol - .45 ACP]]
It looks more like a CZ derivative than a 1911 derivative to me... Alot like a mashup of CZ, S&W, Sig, STI, etc..-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 06:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:It draws a little from the S&W series (namely the safety) and CZ-75 (in terms of grip shape), but technically it is a M1911 derivative, they just didn't make many of them.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Used to see these in tv shows during the late 80s. the later model was the first pistol I ever saw with an integral accessory rail on the dust cover, although that was in a catalog. David. 11 December 2010
:::Dust cover? What are you talking about? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
I don't know what else to call it, it is the part of the frame extending in front of the trigger guard. I have seen it, in print referred to as a dust cover. David.

::THIS Laseraim was photographed for the [[Haunted (2002)]] page since it was used in an episode. If you guys read the Haunted (2002) page, for which this IMAGE was originally shot for, the description says: '''Laser Aim was yet another manufacturer who built ported .45 ACP pistol based on the original M1911 design, but incorporating elements of the BHP and the CZ-75 into a new design. The unique feature of the Laser Aim was a hole cut out of the trigger guard ahead of the trigger to mount a laser. Since the production ended for this pistol, smaller lasers with better battery life have been invented. By the late 1990s LaserAim had gone out of business and had sold their patents to AMT. ''' Hope this sheds some light on the piece. It is a new weapon influenced purportedly by M1911, BHP and CZ designs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

Ah, that explains it. Could have saved myself about 2 hrs of google searching if I'd looked up the image uses hah.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol... ==
...has been given a new designation, ''M45''. [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/24/m45-close-quarters-combat-pistol/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

We also need a better image for it, but I can't find one I can't be sure isn't an Airsoft gun. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

The big problem is there is no single model that is the M45/ MEUSOC Pistol. The "M-45s" in service are a mix and match of Kimbers, Springfields, Colts, etc. The "M-45" is a set of specs that any pistols built for MEUSOC have to comply with. There are SOME retrofitted M1911A1 pistols that were done by USMC Armorers at Quantico, but they are going to be near impossible to differentiate from the M1911A1 they were built from.
Here's a good thread from AR15.com (dear lord its hard to say that haha) about the M-45 MEUSOC pistol variants.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=86667
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 08:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

== More proof of the M1911's greatness ==

According to the news, the M1911 is now the official state gun of Utah! This is kind of cool, since John Browning lived in Utah, and it's just in time for the great .45's centennial anniversary. [[Special:Contributions/74.192.58.206|74.192.58.206]] 21:16, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Happy 100th Anniversary to the Colt M1911! ==

Happy 100 years of service M1911! Thank you for providing some of the most nastiest knockdown power available to the armed forces and for providing an eternal name of badassery in motion pictures!

Here's looking forward to 100 years more! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 15:40, 29 March 2011 (CDT)

My favorite semi-auto is the 1911. I've had affairs with others but I always come back to a good ole Colt .45. I didn't understand why until I did some research and figured out we shared a birthday. Still saving for an anniversary model... [[User:USGIMar29|USGIMar29]] 19:40, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

==9mm 1911s==
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask but could anyone recommend some good 9mm 1911s? I live in Australia and the maximum calibre you can get without doing competition shooting is .38 or 9mm rounds. --[[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 07:07, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming the MEU(SOC) pistol ==

On M1911's page (and correspondingly on pages that list the weapon) it is named "M-45 MEUSOC":

1) While calling it "M-45" wouldn't be incorrect, it should be changed to "M45" in line with other officially adopted names on IMFDB;

2) Using "MEUSOC" in conjunction with "M45" is incorrect. It is either "MEU(SOC) Pistol" or "M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol" / "M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol".

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:46, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

:Well, then go change it. ^3^ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:59, 2 October 2011 (CDT)

::Will be done right now. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:17, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::I think they are the same pistol. I remember seeing a story about how the MEU(SOC) was reclassified as the M45 Close Quarters Combat Pistol at some point, and have also seen documents that use the term M45 MEUSOC (no brackets). What do you think the differences are between the two? I think there is some confusing as there have been various different versions of the MEU(SOC) pistol built from various off the shelf parts. There are at least 5 versions that I know of, and main fetures are as follows. 1: original version with unflared ejection port and Springfield Armoury logo behind the ejection port. 2: newer slide with flared ejection port and logo in front of the ejection port. 3: front slide serrations. 4: wide slide serrations and Novak sights, with grip safety with "bumb" at the bottom. 5: 4th version with skeleton hammer rather than Commander type hammer. You also have the ICQB which is a Kimber made pistol with a railed frame. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:26, 3 October 2011 (CDT)
::::Sorry, just realised I totally misread your original post. Though you were saying that the MEU(SOC) and M45 were different pistols. However, the term M45 MEUSOC (without brackets) is also correct. [https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=df43476377acd40c0f409faa2ceffc9d&_cview=1] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:52, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::Notice the presence of comma between M-45 and MEUSOC. That would indicate the listing of different designations for the weapon. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:27, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

::::::I really don't think the comma means that, but to satisfy you, here [http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2010/03-March/19-Mar-2010/FBO-02095403.htm]. To be fair though, I have seen official documents that refer to the M45 being the MEUSOC, Close Quarters Battle or Close Quarters Combat pistol. I think this whole conversation is irrelevant however, as on looking into it, I think the M45 pistol and the MEU(SOC) pistol listed on this page are different weapons, with the M45 being a commercial of the shelf pistol made by either Colt, Sprinfield Armoury or Karl Lippard Designs. This article from the [http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/01/marine-marsoc-pistol-45cal-012511w/ Marine Corps Times] seems to back this up (this time referring to it as the Close Quarter Battle Pistol) stating that the M45 is modelled on the MEU(SOC) but will be a COTS pistol, which is currently being evaluated. For the sake of simplicity, I think the pistol on this page should just be called the MEU(SOC). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

:::::::MEUSCOC. Wonder what the first "C" stands for?
:::::::It would have been so much simpler if there was website that chronicles the history of MEU(SOC) pistol. Every variant along with pictures and how they were designated (to distinguish them)... Because currently sources are conflicting. In USMC's [http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/ MCB Quantico] section there is an article "[http://www.quantico.usmc.mil/Sentry/storyview.aspx?SID=4913 The Devil Dogs’ workshop]". There it says M45 Close Quarters Battle Pistol is being built by local armorers. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:50, 3 October 2011 (CDT)

One more issue: sources vary on the year of adoption. Some say 1985[http://www.americanspecialops.com/special-ops-weapons/meusoc-pistol.php][http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm], other say 1986[http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/marinefacts/blsoc.htm][http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=16][http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/meusoc.htm]. Maybe change the part to "since the mid-1980s"? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:53, 11 October 2011 (CDT)

:Done. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:08, 13 October 2011 (CDT)

== A Location of Procuring ==
Does anyone know where you can get one of these great airsoft movie-1911 replicas namly the stunning and slender long-slide?

[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Airsoft Long Slide Jim Hoag M1911A1 replica]]

-[[User:GladeTaylor]]

The image has a watermark from [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ ehobbyasia.com] on it, so I'd suggest looking there. The exact pistol is [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/western-arms-colt-hoag-bianchi-special-gbb-pistol.html here.] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 10:12, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== Organization. ==

Any objections to alphabetizing this page? I think it would make a bit more sense... --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:38, 6 December 2011 (CST)
:No don't do that. The M1911 and M1911A1 go first. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:52, 6 December 2011 (CST)
::Fair enough, I actually agree with that. But what about the less common ones. Seems weird to Kimber, Strayer, Inifinity, Detonics, Springfield, etc... What if we keep the most common ones at the top (M1911 & M1911A1) and put the rest in order? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 21:58, 6 December 2011 (CST)

== Difference between Kimber and Colt. ==

In several medias, I discovered that Colt M1911 can sometimes be referred as the Kimber. Why is it so since the weapon manufacturer is Colt? And is there any difference in the mechanism of gun between the both companies? --[[User:S9771773G|S9771773G]] 21:31, 28 December 2011 (CST)

those medias are just being ignorant with their terminology. Colt makes 1911's and kimber makes 1911's...two diffrent companies that happen to make the same model. Any true diffrences in them will mostly be cosmetic in nature. The biggest diffrence between colt and kimber is that Kimber say Yonkers on it and colt say Hartford. Most people think that colt was the first and only maker of the 1911 and call all 1911's colts no matter of maker...for example someone saying "I own a colt 1911 made by springfield"...well no sir you have a Springfield 1911-A1 and colt has nothing to do with it.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 10:21, 29 December 2011 (CST)

== Airsoft Colt's grips. ==

Maybe it's kinda stupid,but I was wondering,could I install some custom or just another grips on my.. hahaha,Marui's Colt Government spring pistol? ;)
That thought came to me,cause I realised,that mine is 1:1 copy of the real one,so.. maybe,new grips would be possible to install. [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 16:17, 22 January 2012 (CST)
: Not sure about the springer, but you can put them on the GBB pistol. Makes the gun much lighter though, as the airsoft grips have metal weights inside them. Seems a bit of a waste doing it on a springer though, the grips would probably be worth more than the gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:34, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Yeah,agreed about the price.Thanks for a useful answer.:) [[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 16:41, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:M1911 pistol series

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Talk:SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series

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Talk:Heckler & Koch USP

2011-12-17T08:27:41Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Who uses HK USP? */ new section

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:IMFDB 22 Jack Bauer Live Firing HK USP Compact.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing Heckler & Koch USP Compact. This weapon is verified as screen used from the series '''24.''' The gun was used in numerous scenes throughout Seasons 3 through 8 of the series. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo.]]
[[Image:ExDeUSP.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP mocked up to resemble a [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]], with a Knight's Armament UTL (Universal Tactical Light, designed for the USP) and fake Knight's Armament suppressor, used by [[Kurt Russell]] in the film ''[[Executive Decision]]''. (Photo from Long Mountain Outfitters)]]
[[Image:Blade2-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Modified H&K USP Match used by [[Wesley Snipes]] in the movies ''[[Blade II]]'' and ''[[Blade: Trinity]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hk-usp45c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:USPCompactSS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|H&K USP Compact with Stainless Slide - .45 ACP]]

==Discussion==

This is a great, affordable, light, accurate, and reliable handgun. It has been my BUG for 9 years and I wouldn't have it any other way.

:Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, "affordable"? Surely you concede that a new USP costs more than any other polymer-framed service pistol on the market (and often more than some steel-framed pistols)? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes the USP is expensive but the old fart has gotta point, it's a pretty awesome gun.

Without a doubt my favorite tactical handgun

My favorite is the Expert model

:I would buy a USP45 in a second if they did something about the trigger-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
--You CAN take it to a gunsmith and have the trigger cleaned up. You might try the Expert model or the Mark 23 if you want a better trigger. Heck, if you're going to go spend $1,500 to $2,000 on a gun, might as well get something you like. I honestly would rather spend that kind of money on a Les Baer or something, but the USP is good too.

I have a question, is the USP Match just a regular USP with the compensator? Are there any othere differences? Is the compensator removable?

It has target sights, an adjustable trigger, and the barrel is extended. The compensator can be removed, but doing so leaves you with a rather awkward looking barrel. It also has the same rubber o-ring around the barrel that the Mk. 23 has.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I love the gun except it's got one squeeky ass trigger.

-The best two USP models are the Expert and the Mark 23. That's coming directly from my friends who have shot both in IDPA for years. The Expert and Mark 23 both have better, more cleaned up triggers compared to the base USP models. All of them are exceptionally accurate and reliable. The only compromise you have to make is in the wallet. They aren't cheap.

It has everything. Accurate, lightweight, high ammo capacity, virtually indestructible. But it's big (big grip - don't believe me - hold a Mark 23). And they are expensive.

Funny how its a $1,000 dollar gun yet has a horrible DA trigger pull. I would expect it from a Glock at $500 but a USP? Really?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

==LAPD service weapons==

Is it legal for LAPD to use USPs in real life or was it just made up for 24?

It's not an official issue weapon, at least according to Wikipedia. Only the Beretta 92, various S&W Automatics and Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information, because it is a Wiki like IMFDB. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 19:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

: I know for fact the LAPD does use the Beretta (I would think it's kinda common-knowledge, at least to us gun guys), and I have seen LAPD officers with a couple of different S&W autos. I also agree that the USP is not any official service weapon (or at least, I seriously doubt it is). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

LAPD also uses the Kimber TLE II 1911. (They call it the LAPD SWAT Custom). But detectives use this gun as well as LAPD SWAT teams.

I've never seen any LAPD officers with Glocks. Just about all of them have the Beretta 92FS because that's their standard issue sidearm. And the occasional old-timers with the 6-shooter .38 Specials.

I don't know of a single police department in the United States that uses H&K handguns. More or less because of the price. They do use H&K MP5s on SWAT teams. Although I see that phased out more and more in favor of the M4A1.
:The NJ State Police used HK P7's back in the 80's. I remember a state trooper came to my school to do a presentation, and he mentioned that unlike other pistols, you had to squeeze it to cock it. I don't remember if it was the P7M8 or P7M13, but according to HKpro, it was the P7M8. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:39, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

Apparently H&K USP compacts and H&K P2000s are currently used by US Border Patrols.

LAPD is transitioning to Glock, Upland uses USP i believe, and USP is on the LASD approved carry list. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

There are a few that issue them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Maine State Police use the USP .45.

== Who uses HK USP? ==

I was reading the "Smokin' Aces" page,and there was a note,that USP is not used by FBI.Well,why?
And what forces uses them?

P.S.: Sorry about deleting previous topic about the slide.Really didn't wanted to do that.

Talk:Heckler & Koch USP

2011-12-17T08:25:26Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Slide */

Talk:Heckler & Koch USP

2011-12-17T08:24:49Z

Littlesoldier1: /* Who uses HK USP? */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:IMFDB 22 Jack Bauer Live Firing HK USP Compact.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing Heckler & Koch USP Compact. This weapon is verified as screen used from the series '''24.''' The gun was used in numerous scenes throughout Seasons 3 through 8 of the series. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo.]]
[[Image:ExDeUSP.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP mocked up to resemble a [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]], with a Knight's Armament UTL (Universal Tactical Light, designed for the USP) and fake Knight's Armament suppressor, used by [[Kurt Russell]] in the film ''[[Executive Decision]]''. (Photo from Long Mountain Outfitters)]]
[[Image:Blade2-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Modified H&K USP Match used by [[Wesley Snipes]] in the movies ''[[Blade II]]'' and ''[[Blade: Trinity]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hk-usp45c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:USPCompactSS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|H&K USP Compact with Stainless Slide - .45 ACP]]

==Discussion==

This is a great, affordable, light, accurate, and reliable handgun. It has been my BUG for 9 years and I wouldn't have it any other way.

:Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, "affordable"? Surely you concede that a new USP costs more than any other polymer-framed service pistol on the market (and often more than some steel-framed pistols)? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes the USP is expensive but the old fart has gotta point, it's a pretty awesome gun.

Without a doubt my favorite tactical handgun

My favorite is the Expert model

:I would buy a USP45 in a second if they did something about the trigger-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
--You CAN take it to a gunsmith and have the trigger cleaned up. You might try the Expert model or the Mark 23 if you want a better trigger. Heck, if you're going to go spend $1,500 to $2,000 on a gun, might as well get something you like. I honestly would rather spend that kind of money on a Les Baer or something, but the USP is good too.

I have a question, is the USP Match just a regular USP with the compensator? Are there any othere differences? Is the compensator removable?

It has target sights, an adjustable trigger, and the barrel is extended. The compensator can be removed, but doing so leaves you with a rather awkward looking barrel. It also has the same rubber o-ring around the barrel that the Mk. 23 has.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I love the gun except it's got one squeeky ass trigger.

-The best two USP models are the Expert and the Mark 23. That's coming directly from my friends who have shot both in IDPA for years. The Expert and Mark 23 both have better, more cleaned up triggers compared to the base USP models. All of them are exceptionally accurate and reliable. The only compromise you have to make is in the wallet. They aren't cheap.

It has everything. Accurate, lightweight, high ammo capacity, virtually indestructible. But it's big (big grip - don't believe me - hold a Mark 23). And they are expensive.

Funny how its a $1,000 dollar gun yet has a horrible DA trigger pull. I would expect it from a Glock at $500 but a USP? Really?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

==LAPD service weapons==

Is it legal for LAPD to use USPs in real life or was it just made up for 24?

It's not an official issue weapon, at least according to Wikipedia. Only the Beretta 92, various S&W Automatics and Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information, because it is a Wiki like IMFDB. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 19:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

: I know for fact the LAPD does use the Beretta (I would think it's kinda common-knowledge, at least to us gun guys), and I have seen LAPD officers with a couple of different S&W autos. I also agree that the USP is not any official service weapon (or at least, I seriously doubt it is). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

LAPD also uses the Kimber TLE II 1911. (They call it the LAPD SWAT Custom). But detectives use this gun as well as LAPD SWAT teams.

I've never seen any LAPD officers with Glocks. Just about all of them have the Beretta 92FS because that's their standard issue sidearm. And the occasional old-timers with the 6-shooter .38 Specials.

I don't know of a single police department in the United States that uses H&K handguns. More or less because of the price. They do use H&K MP5s on SWAT teams. Although I see that phased out more and more in favor of the M4A1.
:The NJ State Police used HK P7's back in the 80's. I remember a state trooper came to my school to do a presentation, and he mentioned that unlike other pistols, you had to squeeze it to cock it. I don't remember if it was the P7M8 or P7M13, but according to HKpro, it was the P7M8. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:39, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

Apparently H&K USP compacts and H&K P2000s are currently used by US Border Patrols.

LAPD is transitioning to Glock, Upland uses USP i believe, and USP is on the LASD approved carry list. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

There are a few that issue them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Maine State Police use the USP .45.

==Slide==
Does the USP have a stamped or milled slide? I've heard it both ways. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

-It's CNC milled.

--[[User:Littlesoldier1|Littlesoldier1]] 02:24, 17 December 2011 (CST)== Who uses HK USP? ==

I was reading the "Smokin' Aces" page,and there was a note,that FBI doesn't use USP.That is interesting to me.Why?
And,does somebody knows,who uses USP now?

Talk:Heckler & Koch USP

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:IMFDB 22 Jack Bauer Live Firing HK USP Compact.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''World IMFDB Exclusive:''' Screen-used live firing Heckler & Koch USP Compact. This weapon is verified as screen used from the series '''24.''' The gun was used in numerous scenes throughout Seasons 3 through 8 of the series. IMFDB thanks [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet] for providing this photo.]]
[[Image:ExDeUSP.jpg|none|thumb|500px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP mocked up to resemble a [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]], with a Knight's Armament UTL (Universal Tactical Light, designed for the USP) and fake Knight's Armament suppressor, used by [[Kurt Russell]] in the film ''[[Executive Decision]]''. (Photo from Long Mountain Outfitters)]]
[[Image:Blade2-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Modified H&K USP Match used by [[Wesley Snipes]] in the movies ''[[Blade II]]'' and ''[[Blade: Trinity]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Hk-usp45c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:USPCompactSS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|H&K USP Compact with Stainless Slide - .45 ACP]]

==Discussion==

This is a great, affordable, light, accurate, and reliable handgun. It has been my BUG for 9 years and I wouldn't have it any other way.

:Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, "affordable"? Surely you concede that a new USP costs more than any other polymer-framed service pistol on the market (and often more than some steel-framed pistols)? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes the USP is expensive but the old fart has gotta point, it's a pretty awesome gun.

Without a doubt my favorite tactical handgun

My favorite is the Expert model

:I would buy a USP45 in a second if they did something about the trigger-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
--You CAN take it to a gunsmith and have the trigger cleaned up. You might try the Expert model or the Mark 23 if you want a better trigger. Heck, if you're going to go spend $1,500 to $2,000 on a gun, might as well get something you like. I honestly would rather spend that kind of money on a Les Baer or something, but the USP is good too.

I have a question, is the USP Match just a regular USP with the compensator? Are there any othere differences? Is the compensator removable?

It has target sights, an adjustable trigger, and the barrel is extended. The compensator can be removed, but doing so leaves you with a rather awkward looking barrel. It also has the same rubber o-ring around the barrel that the Mk. 23 has.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I love the gun except it's got one squeeky ass trigger.

-The best two USP models are the Expert and the Mark 23. That's coming directly from my friends who have shot both in IDPA for years. The Expert and Mark 23 both have better, more cleaned up triggers compared to the base USP models. All of them are exceptionally accurate and reliable. The only compromise you have to make is in the wallet. They aren't cheap.

It has everything. Accurate, lightweight, high ammo capacity, virtually indestructible. But it's big (big grip - don't believe me - hold a Mark 23). And they are expensive.

Funny how its a $1,000 dollar gun yet has a horrible DA trigger pull. I would expect it from a Glock at $500 but a USP? Really?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

==LAPD service weapons==

Is it legal for LAPD to use USPs in real life or was it just made up for 24?

It's not an official issue weapon, at least according to Wikipedia. Only the Beretta 92, various S&W Automatics and Glocks. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 20:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information, because it is a Wiki like IMFDB. --[[User:L.J. Gibbs|L.J. Gibbs]] 19:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

: I know for fact the LAPD does use the Beretta (I would think it's kinda common-knowledge, at least to us gun guys), and I have seen LAPD officers with a couple of different S&W autos. I also agree that the USP is not any official service weapon (or at least, I seriously doubt it is). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

LAPD also uses the Kimber TLE II 1911. (They call it the LAPD SWAT Custom). But detectives use this gun as well as LAPD SWAT teams.

I've never seen any LAPD officers with Glocks. Just about all of them have the Beretta 92FS because that's their standard issue sidearm. And the occasional old-timers with the 6-shooter .38 Specials.

I don't know of a single police department in the United States that uses H&K handguns. More or less because of the price. They do use H&K MP5s on SWAT teams. Although I see that phased out more and more in favor of the M4A1.
:The NJ State Police used HK P7's back in the 80's. I remember a state trooper came to my school to do a presentation, and he mentioned that unlike other pistols, you had to squeeze it to cock it. I don't remember if it was the P7M8 or P7M13, but according to HKpro, it was the P7M8. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:39, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

Apparently H&K USP compacts and H&K P2000s are currently used by US Border Patrols.

LAPD is transitioning to Glock, Upland uses USP i believe, and USP is on the LASD approved carry list. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 04:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

There are a few that issue them.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Maine State Police use the USP .45.

==Slide==
Does the USP have a stamped or milled slide? I've heard it both ways. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

-It's CNC milled.

== Who uses HK USP? ==

I was reading the "Smokin' Aces" page,and there was a note,that FBI doesn't use USP.That is interesting to me.Why?
And,does somebody knows,who uses USP now?