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Talk:24

2010-01-08T04:29:44Z

Lews:

===FBI Agent Renee Walker's sidearm===

Can someone clear this up?

Is Renee Walker's sidearm Glock 23 or Glock 17? (I think someone actually listed her sidearm at Glock 17 in the Glock page).

Thanks in advance.

:Agent Walker's sidearm is a compact model she doe's not use a [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]]. She is either using a [[Glock#Glock 23|Glock 23]] or [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] I'm still confirming the caliber once I look at the bore of the barrel you could just leave the [[Glock]] page blank of all [[24]] activity until I finish rescreencapping Season 7. However I still estimate I'll be done with Season 7 within 2 weeks.

::Whoever keeps changing this back to a Glock 23 is wrong in episode 3 you can look at the barrel of it it is clearly a 9mm not 40 cal thus making it a Glock 19 not a Glock 23. Plus look at Annie Wershing hands they couldn't handle a 40.

:::If the actress is using blank ammunition it does not matter whether her hands can handle the recoil of the firearm. Since January 1998, all new agents are trained on the 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 22 pistols, with the smaller 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 23 for those who prefer it. The ultra-compact 10×21mm (.40 S&W) Glock 27 is authorized as concealed backup. Older agents continue to field their SIG-Sauer pistols, if they wish, and even new agents can switch to the 9×19mm guns if they qualify with them. Until Season 7 is finished please post all comments on the discussions page and wait for confirmation from the screencaps.

::::You're thinking about it the wrong way. This is a TV show, not real life. Just because the FBI uses the Glock 22/23 in real life doesn't mean the same is true in this show. The Secret Service agents in this show use SIG P228s instead of 299R DAKs (their current real-life issue).

::::In Hollywood, most of the semi-auto pistols used are 9mms, because there was a time when gunsmiths in the industry found this caliber to be the most reliable with blanks. Armorers didn't start using newer calibers until fairly recently. When in doubt, we tend to assume a pistol used in a movie is a 9mm, and it's a safe bet here. If the armorer who worked on this show cared THAT much about realism, then they probably would have given the USSS agents the correct sidearm. That they didn't makes me pretty sure that Agent Walker's Glock is probably a 9mm G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

===Live Free or Die Hard Armorer===
Aside from the gun calibers has anybody noticed that this show uses the same guns as [[Live Free or Die Hard]]? I'm now thinking that if this is the same armorer that supplied Die Hard 4 and since gunmaster has identified the Glock 22's it's not so hard to believe that [[24]] may also be using .40S&W compatible firearms. I've only realized this since season 5.

:This show does not use the same weapons as ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. The weapons for that movie were rented mostly from Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry. I'm pretty sure that ''[[24]]'''s weapons come mostly from Independent Studio Services (or at least, they did in the 7th season). Anyway, I've told you before: Unless you have some way of confirming it, you should assume that the Glocks in the show are 9mms. If the propmaster that worked on the show was going for realism (meaning, the correct Glock model for the FBI), then why did they use SIG P228s, which in real life are not used by the Secret Service anymore? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Yes I already know about that I just realized that after the 5th season of [[24]]. It has had 13/21 weapons used by [[Live Free or Die Hard]] including 2 rare models that are just not seen very much on IMFDB. Especially the [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92G Elite 1A|Beretta 92G Elite 1A]] used in Season 7. It was just interesting thing I couldn't get off my head. Thanks for clearing it up I have never heard of Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry before.

== Breaking up page by Seasons ==

How do people feel about breaking up this page by Season (much like Miami Vice)? Being that this show will be beginning its 8th season soon, it might be the time. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I support the idea very much. If this page gets polished in near future, 8 seasons worth of guns and screencaps is going to be a bitch to read. - AlkoTanko

:Perhaps when someone gets more guns caps. A lot of the guns don't have screen caps [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::At the moment, seasons 1 and 7 could probably have their own separate pages, but the rest of the seasons are incomplete. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 19:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

:::I own seasons 1-4 so I may start screencapping sometime, however at the moment I'm kinda swamped with schoolwork. --[[User:Lews|Lews]] 04:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

== Season 7 glock 19 ==

For some reason, the following screencaps are missing, so I'm putting them here until someone can reupload. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

[Image:Glock19.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] - .9mm]]
[[Image:24S7E3 Glock 231.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Jack orders the Agents to put their weapons down while aiming Renee's [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 23]] at the guard in episode 3.]]
[[Image:24S7E3 Glock 232.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Jack aims the [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 23]] at Larry in episode 3.]]
[[Image:24S7E3 Glock 233.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FBI Agents close in on Jack and Tony's location with their [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 23's]] drawn in episode 3.]]
[[Image:24S7E10 Glock 23 Dual1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sean shoots himself in the arm and throws a [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 23]] at Erika's body in episode 10.]]

:There are no missing screencaps the real links are named Glock 23 after the "24S7E3". Not Glock 19. 5 weeks ago a anonymous user kept on changing the Glock 23 pictures and title to a Glock 19. I posted a message on his IP Address (not that he ever received it) to stop changing the title and pictures. He changed all the the links including the picture names to "Glock 19". Until I am finished screencapping Season 7 probably until late January nobody should edit Season 7. Based on his lack of editing skills and not checking his work I assume his experience is insufficient. I do not want to ban 24 off limits to anonymous users because there have been some great help in identifying firearms. If you can please ban IP Address [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/68.53.41.248 68.53.41.248]! --[[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 12:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
::I fixed the links. Someone needs to move them back to the main page, I'm not sure where they need to go. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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2009-12-15T21:38:24Z

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==Firearms in "Public Enemies" Trailer==
The "unidentified rifle" is actually the Remington Model 8 autoloader. Another semiauto rifle appears in the very last screenshot under the Thompson SMG section. While the bank robber in the foreground has a Thompson, the guy in the background is armed with what appears to be a Winchester Model 1907. Look closely at how the guy is holding the weapon at the trigger guard, it's obvious there's no pistol grip there and it's actually a stocked rifle. This particular rifle is modified with a vertical foregrip so at first glance it does appear to be a Thompson. These rifles were used by the Dillinger gang and can be seen in this photo of confiscated weapons: http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3.html In the photo, a Winchester modified with a muzzle brake is right next to the Thompson.
I also think I saw a Remington Model 11 autoloading shotgun in the trailer. It was in the hands of the FBI agent who bursts into Dillinger's room and knocks him down.--[[User:Phillb36|Phillb36]] 22:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Phillb36 - you are absolutely correct that the rifle in the backround is a Winchester 1907 - you can clearly see the distinctive 10-round magazine - good call! This should be a heck of a good movie.

==Can't Wait To See This==
I'm glad Michael Mann is back to making gun heavy movies (and ones that don't suck like Miami Vice...) and hope this has the same aspects as Heat. Prohibition is a great time for films to cover. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yeah, I'm really excited about this one myself. The trailer alone was really cool. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I read the script a few months ago and it looks pretty good. Although not 100% accurate, it does a really good job telling the true story of Dillinger and I think it'd be a great return to form for Mann, I'm really pumped for it. -[[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

Nyles here, didn't bother logging in. Man At Arms For The Gun Collector has an interesting article in the current issue that claims Dillinger carried a Super 38, not a .45 Government Model, and that the infamous machine pistols were also .38 Supers.
::Dillinger carried .38 Supers, but we won't simply claim that on the page as one anonymous user kept doing (with poor grammer/spelling) because we don't actually know that they didn't just use .45s. Since Steve took photos of some of the guns used in this movie (note the M1911A1 from the film in the picture is in .45 ACP), he'd likely know if any of the guns were in .38 Super. Just assuming isn't good gun identification. Also, I think Purvis favored the .38 Super as well, but I may be wrong on that. As for the revolvers used in the movie, wait till the DVD comes out before we ID those, we can't play that as well by memory. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

What was the shoulder rig Depp used??

== Colt Terminology ==

There's some incorrect terminology used in this (and, technically, many other) articles in the site, but on this one it's really noticable. M1911 and M1911A1 only refers to pistols made for the US military - pistols made for the civilian market, with or without the A1 modifications, were called the 1911 Government Model. Now, that's a nitpicky point, since they're commonly refered to as 1911s today, and you usually have to see the markings to know the difference (though by the same token that's like calling every Beretta 92 an M9).

But what makes it glaring here is calling a .38 Super an M1911A1. It's not the same gun - not only was it not a military-issue pistol (the US military, since it's introduction in 1932, has acquired a grand total of 2 .38 Supers, depending on if you count a few hundred for the OSS), Colt didn't even consider it the same as a Government Model. It was sold as the Super 38, and that IS the commonly accepted term for it. Seems to me if we know it's a .38 Super, then we should be calling it a Super 38.
::Visit the M1911 pistol series page for an explaination on why we call them M1911A1s, regardless. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::: I agree that it's pointless to try and differentiate M1911s from commerical 1911s (though I'd rather see them just called 1911s instead of M1911s), but a Super 38 isn't an M1911A1 OR a Government Model, it's a Super 38. I'm not saying it needs it's own page but it ought to have it's own heading on the 1911 page. Although it's kinda of a moot point, looking at the prop I see it's a 1960s era gun that they slapped some (incorrect) double diamond grips on, and by then production of .38 Supers actually had merged with the .45s.

Nyles: What you are say is correct in a way. The sales staff at Colt still called it a 1911 Government Model even though the pistol had the 1911A1 modifications to it. So to everyone out there that sees it it's a 1911A1 even the Colt Model 1927 pistols so to Brazil. The .38 Super like the .22 Ace is still based on the 1911A1 Government Model frame as only the top end is different. There is no point to make a sepparate page for the .38 Super variation. I know it's good to point this out but I agree was Gunmaster45 that it should stay the same. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 23:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I'm nor saying that we should make a seperate page, I say that quite clearly up there. Just that you shouldn't call a Super 38 an M1911. We differentiate between a 1911A1 and a Series 70, when the only difference is the barrel, a gun marketed under a different name, in a different caliber, using a different system for headspacing, should also be differentiated.

Also, the Model 1927 wasn't made for Brazil, it was for and in Argentina. Brazil used the S&W M1937, which was an updated M1917 revolver.

:I wouldn't be totally opposed to making a separate entry on the 1911 page for the 38 Super. Only question is, do we know of any other movies besides ''Public Enemies'' that have used one? If not, then it seems just a tad pointless. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::The only .38 Super used in the movie was the machine pistol and it was changed to 9mm so what is the problem. You are shoveling .... on this the 1911 is the original configuration, the 1911A1 is a 1911 with governmernt changes, the series 70 has changes and the series 80 has changes. Each weapon had the designation changed either offically or unoffically to acknowledge the changes so what is the problem on this. Is the 38 super a completely different weapon the the 1911A1? The answer is no as you are talking about 7 parts in the top end and the frames and lower parts are all the same. I agree with MT2008 that it would be pointless to make a separate entry for it just not the differance. This is a listing of 1911 style handguns used in film not a Colt Automatic Pistol website with all change and part variations. The handguns used in the film are 1911A1 pre-war commercial pistols in .45 used to represent Dillingers .38 Super pistols. The machine pistol shoild have a separate entry as it might show up in another movie.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 09:47, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

==1901 shotgun==

Why would a lever gn need to be converted to fire blanks? I thought maually operated guns could cycle blanks anyway?
:Nope. Shoot, chamber a new round. Lever, pump, and bolt actions dont need to be blank converted, only automatics. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

:To be honest, I'm actually not 100% sure about this (I'll have to ask again). But as best I know, manually-operated guns are still internally plugged in many cases for safety reasons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Public Enemies film firearms==
What happened to all the photos of the screen used firearms in this movie?--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 20:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I had to take them down because certain parties got upset and I feared there might be legal consequences. I can't really say much more than that. It is a shame, because they were awesome pictures, but I do have to take precautions. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::It's unfortunate, were the parties that got upset the ones who sent the images? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:00, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. We are just displaying pictures. We're not asking for a price or selling anything. I can never see how photos of certain things be a problem with copyright issues. Is there a way to ask the parties that own the photos to allow us to display them again? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== The soap gun ==

Wasn't this photo of the scene at the Crown Point jail and Dillinger was using a fake gun made out of soap or wood to threaten guards? Cause this was in the 1911 section

I think the real one was made out if wood look like a Colt Detective Special

[[Image:Publen-1911a2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Machine Pistol==
Can someone show me what a Colt.38 super looks like up close? I need help as the prop gun made by ISS pic was removed.
::I'm not sure, but here's a drawing of it. It kinda looks weird to me.
[[Image:Colt39machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A drawing of a [[M1911A1|Colt .38 Super]] converted into a machine pistol with the Muzzle break, Thompson front pistol grip, and extended magazine. Note how I suck at drawing the front grip.]]
This is what a machine pistol coverted version of the M1911A1 might look like.

Hope this helps!! - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/AO-3F3. html

that has a picture of Dillinger's actual guns.

'colt 38 super' really means 'colt 1911 chambered in 38 super' Externally a gun chambered in 38 super will look like the same model in 45acp. Dillinger's gun is a semicustom gun. Dillinger had a longer barrel added, had an extended magazine, and had the front pistolgrip of a thompson SMG added.

Tell your propmaker to copy the standard 'government' 1911, make a fake extended magazine, make a fake barrel poking out 2 inchs beyond the frame of the gun, and attach a thompson forend pistolgrip. You should be able to collect pictures of the specific parts and he should be able to cobble it together

== Purvis' Rifle ==

Nice thought with the Mannlicher-Schonauer (in fact that probably would have been more appropriate), but the rifle is definately a Mauser. The Mannlicher-Schonauer had the standard Mannlicher split-bridge receiver, whereas that has a solid Mauser action with the bolt handle behind the receiver bridge. The flat "butterknife" bolt handle was a popular feature on German sporting rifles in the early 20th century, and can still be found.

EDIT: This is Nyles by the way. My Afghan net isn't letting me log in today.

Also, I'm pretty sure that after the jail break scene in the beginning, when they hole up at the whorehouse, you see Dillingers right hand man with a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer tucked into his waistband. It's kind of hard to tell on the pirated copy I bought at the KAF market.

== Screencaps ==

Anybody know how to take screencaps on VLC media player? It's the only DVD player I have on my computer and it won't take the screencaps properly. I'm wondering if anybody knows how to do it.
:There is a screencap button on the toolbar. Are you having trouble finding the pics after you take them? You need to go to Tools, then Preferences at the bottom. Click video that is where you set up the directory where the pics go. Also change the pic type to jpeg, png's take up too much room. You can also change the pic name too. For Public Enemies you change the prefix to PE-. Hope that helps.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks, that helped a lot.