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Talk:Lord of War

2011-04-12T14:17:02Z

Lance armourer: /* airsoft gun? */

I just saw this movie again yesterday, there was no Steyr AUG in his container, it was a golden Hungarian AMD-65. - [[User:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]

:Actually, it wasn't a gold AMD-65, it was a nickel-plated Chinese Type-56 with ivory furniture and a Romanian-style folding grip. It's the same gun used in ''Belly''. I had a picture of the gun on my ''Belly'' page when it still existed (before the server crash), but the picture of that gun is here: http://www.weaponspecialists.com/insiteTemplate.php?includeWhat=propView&id=160&category=&primaryCategory=ter&refID=20&cf=bpic

Orca, it is actually a MP5A4, i can see by the trigger group. The trigger groups of the MP5A2 and the MP5A4 are different. - [[User:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]

==AKS74U==
I don't think it's a 74u. the barrel seems too long and it doesn't have a triangular side folding stock (though that's not exactly definite). At the same time, the front sight and the flash hider look right. Plus, not to mention it's gold plated and the furniture looks strange to me. I think it looks more like an AKMS. Ah well, anybody see any of these things or am I just tired?

:It's probably a custom weapon that was assembled just for the film by the armorers. It is obviously not a 74U because that is a 7.62x39mm magazine (older style, before the ribbed versions), it has an East German-style side-folding stock, and a short barrel (AKMSU-style). You have to keep in mind that AKs can't all be classified so neatly (many countries have built their own versions, some of which are very different from the original Russian-made guns), which is one of the problems with this site. The best description I can give would be "custom-built Kalashnikov".

==Poster Change==
Is this poster better? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

[[Image:LOWCover.jpg]]

:Eh, not sure. I happen to prefer the older one just because it's a more creative design. But that's just me. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I just don't like it because it's a white poster, and the site's white background blend wierd and it looks ugly. But that's just ''me''. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::The fact that the image has a border around it cancels that out in my opinion. I think the first poster is better, the above poster is so very generic and not nearly as interesting. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 05:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with MT, the other one is more creative and way cooler. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Micro-Uzi ==

On the section about the Micro-Uzi, it says that it's unrealistic since it was first introduced in 1983. As far as I know, it was actually introduced in 1982, as it says on wikipedia and most sources I can find. Also many films as far back as 1985 show their useage ([[Invasion USA]] and [[Commando]]), so I doubt they were only known about for a couple of years before being so popular in civilian culture as to be placed in films.
Infact I even doubt the 1982 introduction date, as Israel and weapon secrecy seem to go hand-in-hand as well.
-[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

:The civilian version of the Micro Uzi (which is what you see in most American movies, including this one) was introduced to the American market in 1983. So, it would not have been around in 1982. As far as their appearances in mid-80s movies, that is actually common in Hollywood. The Desert Eagle was introduced in 1984 and shown immediately afterwards in ''[[Year of the Dragon]]'' and ''[[Commando]]'', both of which came out in 1985. A more extreme example that I documented was ''[[RoboCop 2]]'', which features the [[SIG-Sauer P228]] even though the P228 was introduced in 1990 (the same year that the movie came out). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::That explains it then - sorry about the edit then, feel free to revert it back. Thanks for the explanation too man - but just wondering whats the difference with the civilian version of the micro-uzi? Do you mean the semi-auto uzi pistol? Also I am getting loads of conflicting sources - when was the Micro-Uzi first made, I got another source from the manufacturers that suggest it started in the 1990's as well! Thanks. -[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

:::Changed back the edit I done to how it was like before, saying that it is indeed unrealistic in 1982. :) -[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

::::Maybe you should consider that Yuri's contact at the synagogue (where he obtained the guns) may not be much of a civilian at all and therefore have access to military equipment directly from Israel.

== Unknow AR-15 ==
:I'd say CQBR, but thats Navy SEAL only, but on the [[Bourne Identity]] page, the M16s that the Marines are using are actually Bushmasters. I'll look up more and get back to you. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::The receiver is the wrong style for CQBR, and not all ARs with 10" barrels match that type, anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Like i said: CQBRs are only for SEALs. Its gotta be a custom piece. No forward assist or shell deflector and a 10 inch barrel. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::::It could be custom, i look in the net several images of SBR AR-15. -[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]]

The 1911 entry looks more like a Hi-Power to me.

== typo ==

"This particular Chinese Type 56 has the ribbed top cover of an Russian (or licensed third party) AKM - the Chinese AKs have smooth top covers."

"...of an Russian..."

:Thanks for the correction, but...it's perfectly fine if you make it yourself. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

==Special Edition DVD errors==
Someone want to go through the second disc of the Special Edition DVD and make a list of all the factual errors in the history/specs for the weapons? Saw it at a friends house - it lists the M16 as a belt-fed 7.62mm rifle with an effective range of 1100 meters...

-Seriously? Now I gotta see this feature [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Busted AR-15? ==

The Closeup of the AR-15 in the weapons pile looks like its missing its bolt catch and its upper reciever looks bulged, Am I right?
:I do believe you might be correct. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Customized Saiga ==

It says that the trigger was moved forward but this is normal for converting a Saiga to a pistol grip, did he somehow move it farther or is it just saying one of the results of converting a Saiga?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Moving guns vs buying new ones. ==

In the movie, when Yuri is selling the guns in Lebanon, he says that it is cheaper for the U.S. government to buy new ones then ship the ones used back. Is this true? Seems wasteful to me. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:I was wondering the same thing when I saw it. This can't possibly be true, can it? The History Channel did a program on Anniston Army Depot, and while most of the work they do there is on vehicles, they also refurbish small arms, and destroy whatever is too worn out to refurbish. And the thought of rebels, freedom fighters, or death squads armed with former American weapons on the nightly news would be much to embarrassing to the government. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::I wouldn't say the U.S. ''generally'' doesn't take its munitions (especially costly, high-tech systems that the U.S. doesn't want its enemies to take apart and investigate), but it is true that sometimes, given the time constraints and costs, they aren't able to bring everything back. There are hundreds of thousands of U.S. military-issue small arms floating around Southeast Asia due to the Vietnam War, many of which have been used by various insurgencies, drug trafficking groups, and pirates in the region. Also, during the 1970s and 1980s, the Vietnamese government had a working arrangement with Cuba where they would ship U.S. military weapons to South America so that leftist guerrillas (including FARC) could use them, and the communist governments could deny responsibility. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:::But Vietnam was an exception though. We left not only small arms, but tanks and aircraft, for South Vietnam, and then all that got picked up by the communists. But the list of US allies who were overrun is a very short one. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I've heard from some now ex-servicemen that after exercises in Northern Australian, the US troops involved were throwing weapons over the side as they were boarding their ships.

== Unidentified Handgun ==

Looks like a Beretta 92 Non Gun. I think it looks like a Browning BDM --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 20:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC).

[[Image:LOW1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:I'm pretty certain it's a non-gun Beretta. Compare the image below to the weapon in the screenshot.

[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 blk.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non-gun Beretta 92FS]]

Notice the position of the muzzle low on the front of the slide and the stepped trigger guard, both of which match that in the screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, I stand corrected --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC).

== airsoft gun? ==

does anyone else notice the airsoft gun in the pile of m16a2's

:No, but now that I take a closer look, I do see some G3s and AKs mixed in among the AR-15s/M16s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 9 April 2011 (CDT)

Most of the weapons in the pile are half moulded vacum formed dummies, they were no airsofts used for this scene, in fact the only airsofts were the MP5's and the MP5K. Closer to camera wrer hard rubber moulds with the occasional real weapon for extreme close ups.

The handgun used in the resturant was a Star 9mm model B, the same one used in Flight of the Phoenix, it is fully practical and is made to look like a Colt 1911.

== AR-15 ==
But on the subject of AR-15s, shouldn't the AR-15A2 in the last screencap be under its own entry rather than lumped into the M16A2 entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 9 April 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Lord of War

2011-04-12T14:14:51Z

Lance armourer: /* airsoft gun? */

I just saw this movie again yesterday, there was no Steyr AUG in his container, it was a golden Hungarian AMD-65. - [[User:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]

:Actually, it wasn't a gold AMD-65, it was a nickel-plated Chinese Type-56 with ivory furniture and a Romanian-style folding grip. It's the same gun used in ''Belly''. I had a picture of the gun on my ''Belly'' page when it still existed (before the server crash), but the picture of that gun is here: http://www.weaponspecialists.com/insiteTemplate.php?includeWhat=propView&id=160&category=&primaryCategory=ter&refID=20&cf=bpic

Orca, it is actually a MP5A4, i can see by the trigger group. The trigger groups of the MP5A2 and the MP5A4 are different. - [[User:Flying Dane|Flying Dane]]

==AKS74U==
I don't think it's a 74u. the barrel seems too long and it doesn't have a triangular side folding stock (though that's not exactly definite). At the same time, the front sight and the flash hider look right. Plus, not to mention it's gold plated and the furniture looks strange to me. I think it looks more like an AKMS. Ah well, anybody see any of these things or am I just tired?

:It's probably a custom weapon that was assembled just for the film by the armorers. It is obviously not a 74U because that is a 7.62x39mm magazine (older style, before the ribbed versions), it has an East German-style side-folding stock, and a short barrel (AKMSU-style). You have to keep in mind that AKs can't all be classified so neatly (many countries have built their own versions, some of which are very different from the original Russian-made guns), which is one of the problems with this site. The best description I can give would be "custom-built Kalashnikov".

==Poster Change==
Is this poster better? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

[[Image:LOWCover.jpg]]

:Eh, not sure. I happen to prefer the older one just because it's a more creative design. But that's just me. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I just don't like it because it's a white poster, and the site's white background blend wierd and it looks ugly. But that's just ''me''. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::The fact that the image has a border around it cancels that out in my opinion. I think the first poster is better, the above poster is so very generic and not nearly as interesting. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 05:21, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I agree with MT, the other one is more creative and way cooler. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Micro-Uzi ==

On the section about the Micro-Uzi, it says that it's unrealistic since it was first introduced in 1983. As far as I know, it was actually introduced in 1982, as it says on wikipedia and most sources I can find. Also many films as far back as 1985 show their useage ([[Invasion USA]] and [[Commando]]), so I doubt they were only known about for a couple of years before being so popular in civilian culture as to be placed in films.
Infact I even doubt the 1982 introduction date, as Israel and weapon secrecy seem to go hand-in-hand as well.
-[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

:The civilian version of the Micro Uzi (which is what you see in most American movies, including this one) was introduced to the American market in 1983. So, it would not have been around in 1982. As far as their appearances in mid-80s movies, that is actually common in Hollywood. The Desert Eagle was introduced in 1984 and shown immediately afterwards in ''[[Year of the Dragon]]'' and ''[[Commando]]'', both of which came out in 1985. A more extreme example that I documented was ''[[RoboCop 2]]'', which features the [[SIG-Sauer P228]] even though the P228 was introduced in 1990 (the same year that the movie came out). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::That explains it then - sorry about the edit then, feel free to revert it back. Thanks for the explanation too man - but just wondering whats the difference with the civilian version of the micro-uzi? Do you mean the semi-auto uzi pistol? Also I am getting loads of conflicting sources - when was the Micro-Uzi first made, I got another source from the manufacturers that suggest it started in the 1990's as well! Thanks. -[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

:::Changed back the edit I done to how it was like before, saying that it is indeed unrealistic in 1982. :) -[[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]]

::::Maybe you should consider that Yuri's contact at the synagogue (where he obtained the guns) may not be much of a civilian at all and therefore have access to military equipment directly from Israel.

== Unknow AR-15 ==
:I'd say CQBR, but thats Navy SEAL only, but on the [[Bourne Identity]] page, the M16s that the Marines are using are actually Bushmasters. I'll look up more and get back to you. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::The receiver is the wrong style for CQBR, and not all ARs with 10" barrels match that type, anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Like i said: CQBRs are only for SEALs. Its gotta be a custom piece. No forward assist or shell deflector and a 10 inch barrel. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::::It could be custom, i look in the net several images of SBR AR-15. -[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]]

The 1911 entry looks more like a Hi-Power to me.

== typo ==

"This particular Chinese Type 56 has the ribbed top cover of an Russian (or licensed third party) AKM - the Chinese AKs have smooth top covers."

"...of an Russian..."

:Thanks for the correction, but...it's perfectly fine if you make it yourself. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

==Special Edition DVD errors==
Someone want to go through the second disc of the Special Edition DVD and make a list of all the factual errors in the history/specs for the weapons? Saw it at a friends house - it lists the M16 as a belt-fed 7.62mm rifle with an effective range of 1100 meters...

-Seriously? Now I gotta see this feature [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Busted AR-15? ==

The Closeup of the AR-15 in the weapons pile looks like its missing its bolt catch and its upper reciever looks bulged, Am I right?
:I do believe you might be correct. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Customized Saiga ==

It says that the trigger was moved forward but this is normal for converting a Saiga to a pistol grip, did he somehow move it farther or is it just saying one of the results of converting a Saiga?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:22, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Moving guns vs buying new ones. ==

In the movie, when Yuri is selling the guns in Lebanon, he says that it is cheaper for the U.S. government to buy new ones then ship the ones used back. Is this true? Seems wasteful to me. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:I was wondering the same thing when I saw it. This can't possibly be true, can it? The History Channel did a program on Anniston Army Depot, and while most of the work they do there is on vehicles, they also refurbish small arms, and destroy whatever is too worn out to refurbish. And the thought of rebels, freedom fighters, or death squads armed with former American weapons on the nightly news would be much to embarrassing to the government. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:20, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::I wouldn't say the U.S. ''generally'' doesn't take its munitions (especially costly, high-tech systems that the U.S. doesn't want its enemies to take apart and investigate), but it is true that sometimes, given the time constraints and costs, they aren't able to bring everything back. There are hundreds of thousands of U.S. military-issue small arms floating around Southeast Asia due to the Vietnam War, many of which have been used by various insurgencies, drug trafficking groups, and pirates in the region. Also, during the 1970s and 1980s, the Vietnamese government had a working arrangement with Cuba where they would ship U.S. military weapons to South America so that leftist guerrillas (including FARC) could use them, and the communist governments could deny responsibility. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
:::But Vietnam was an exception though. We left not only small arms, but tanks and aircraft, for South Vietnam, and then all that got picked up by the communists. But the list of US allies who were overrun is a very short one. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 02:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I've heard from some now ex-servicemen that after exercises in Northern Australian, the US troops involved were throwing weapons over the side as they were boarding their ships.

== Unidentified Handgun ==

Looks like a Beretta 92 Non Gun. I think it looks like a Browning BDM --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 20:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC).

[[Image:LOW1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:I'm pretty certain it's a non-gun Beretta. Compare the image below to the weapon in the screenshot.

[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 blk.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Non-gun Beretta 92FS]]

Notice the position of the muzzle low on the front of the slide and the stepped trigger guard, both of which match that in the screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, I stand corrected --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:51, 29 January 2011 (UTC).

== airsoft gun? ==

does anyone else notice the airsoft gun in the pile of m16a2's

:No, but now that I take a closer look, I do see some G3s and AKs mixed in among the AR-15s/M16s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 9 April 2011 (CDT)

Most of the weapons in the pile are half moulded vacum formed dummies, they were no airsofts used for this scene, in fact the only airsofts were the MP5's and the MP5K. Closer to camera wrer hard rubber moulds with the occasional real weapon for extreme close ups.

== AR-15 ==
But on the subject of AR-15s, shouldn't the AR-15A2 in the last screencap be under its own entry rather than lumped into the M16A2 entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:44, 9 April 2011 (CDT)

User talk:Lance armourer

2011-04-12T14:05:05Z

Lance armourer: /* Thanks */

==Thanks==
Thanks for the help on the ''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'' page. You wouldn't happen to have any pics of the modified Vektor R5's? We could use them on the ''[[District 9]], [[1968 Tunnel Rats]]'' page too. Also do you work with Ollie Steele? He's helped us in the past on pages. Thanks again.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:35, 11 April 2011 (CDT)

Hi Brian,

Sorry I am new to this site (as far as editing and messages that is). I assume this is the way to contact you? Also, do the edits go through a moderator or are they published straight away, I would have thought that they were approved first and put into the correct format for the page. please let me know.

Ollie Steele has worked for me in the past and we do maintain contact, most of the prop weapons and explosive items on District 9 were hired from me.

I will dig out some pics of the R5's and send to you, how would you like me to do that? Have a look at my imdb page and let me know if there are any other movies that I could help with.

I dont represent other armoury companies as some have stated, I have my own company MIL.SPEC. and hire firearms from others to suppliment our stock as we need them.

Regards

Lance Peters

Lord of War

2011-04-11T14:00:57Z

Lance armourer: /* Beretta 92SB */

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Lord of War'''''
[[Image:Lord of War film.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''[[Lord of War]]'' (2005)]]

==AK-47==

Yuri Orlov ([[Nicolas Cage]]) is seen examining a Type III Pattern [[AK-47]] rifle of Russian manufacture during one of the film's most memorable scenes, the weapon's simplicity and near-indestructibility being highly praised by him. The film starts out following the journey of an AK-47 7.62x39mm round from a munitions factory in Russia to its final destination in an African country, where it is fired at and kills a child soldier.

[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:LOWAK-47-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri cycles the action on the AK-47.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-62887.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the magazine well of the AK-47 Yuri is inspecting as he loads the weapon with a magazine full of dummy rounds (the Cyrillic markings on the selector establish that the gun is of Russian manufacture).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-189346.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri Orlov plays with a Soviet-built Type III AK-47 during the scene in which he describes the Kalashnikov's legendary reputation for viewers.]]
[[Image:LOWAK-47-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several AK-47s are seen piled up in Yuri's plane.]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==
As in many Hollywood movies, one of the most common AK derivatives seen in the film is the [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56-1]], the Chinese copy of the [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]], with its distinctive hooded front sight. In fact, AKs of this type are seen being used by the ex-USSR soldiers in Ukraine during the early-1990s (which is highly inaccurate, because Soviet troops would never use Chinese-made weapons and the 7.62x39mm AKs had been phased out of Russian service at the time of the scene, anyway). Many of the Type 56-1s seen in the movie have been visually modified to pass for [[AKMS]] rifles - they have been fitted with the ribbed receiver cover (Chinese AKs normally have smooth) and the wider front grip.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56-1 AK rifle with underfolder stock - 7.62x39mm (Chinese copy of [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]])]]
[[Image:LOWType56-1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Russian Mobster fires his Norinco Type 56-1 during a hit in a restaurant. Note that the folding stock has been removed.]]
[[Image:LOWType56-1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soviet troop in Ukraine erroneously holding a Norinco Type 56-1.]]
[[Image:LOWType56-1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Soviet mechanic working on the Hind (played by Nicholas Cage's son [[Weston Cage]]) aims his Norinco Type 56-1 at the Interpol agents.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-184419.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Afghan Mujahideen fires a Norinco Type 56-1 (note that in real life, the CIA in cooperation with China and Pakistan supplied many Type 56 rifles to the Mujahideen to fight the Soviet troops in Afghanistan.) This particular Chinese Type 56 has the ribbed top cover of an AKM - the Chinese AKs have smooth top covers.]]
[[Image:LOWType56-1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Africans clear out a box in Yuri's plane filled with Norinco Type 56-1s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-213609.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The R.U.F. rebel commander fires a Norinco Type 56-1 at Vitaly Orlov ([[Jared Leto]]) after he blows up a truck full of arms intended for the rebels.]]

In Yuri's gun container, a nickel-plated Norinco Type 56-1 with ivory furniture and a Romanian-style folding grip is seen, which is the same prop used in the film ''[[Belly]]''.
[[Image:BellyNorincoType56-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nickel plated Norinco Type 56-1 used in ''[[Belly]]''.]]
[[Image:LOWBellyAK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The custom Norinco Type 56-1 circled in red.]]

==AKM==
Yuri Orlov ([[Nicolas Cage]]) is seen loading and handing out an [[AKM]] to an African when his plane lands on the dirt road. They also appear numerous times during Yuri's sales. A Russian mobster is seen using one with the stock removed to appear like an [[AKMS]], although close inspection reveals it lacks the stock and hinges.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:LOWAKMS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Russian mobster on the right fires his AKM with the stock removed.]]
[[Image:LOWAKMS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster fires his AKM.]]
[[Image:LOWAKM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri loads an AKM and gives to an African free of charge.]]
[[Image:LOWAKM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Sr. ([[Eamonn Walker]]) views a crate of Yuri's weapons, containing an AKM (fourth from the first) and four AK-47s..]]

==AKMS==
Several [[AKMS]]'s are seen among Yuri's deliveries.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMS - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:LOWMPi-KMS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri shows Vitaly how even newspapers are filled with guns, where an Afghan rebel is seen holding a side-folding stock East German MPi-KMS.]]
[[Image:LOWAKMS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The camera passes several AKMS's (fitted with East German BFAs).]]
[[Image:LOWAKMS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bundle of AKMS's are next to Yuri on his plane.]]

== André Baptiste, Jr.'s custom AK ==

The gold-plated [[AK-47]]/[[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] derivative carried by André Baptiste, Jr. ([[Sammi Rotibi]]) is not, as has been written previously, an "AKS-47U" or "AKMSU" or any such factory-manufactured weapon. It is a custom-made Kalashnikov that was built specially for the movie. Martin Edge, an armorer at Hire Weapons, which supplied the guns for all scenes filmed in South Africa, has sent IMFDB an e-mail with the following details:

'''''"The weapon started out as a Saiga hunting rifle''' with synthetic stock and furniture...Here are the rest of the details:''

''-The folding stock is, as you mentioned from East Germany, this was purchased in East Germany at an arms fair and fitted to the weapon ''
''-The top cover is held on by means of a S.M.L.E. rear top cover spring clip ''
''-A pistol grip was installed and the trigger moved forward, the trigger guard is from a Vector R4 ''
''-The barrel and gas tube were shortened and the front sight is fitted to the barrel by means a flat on the barrel and a key on the front sight, the hand guard is held in position by the flash hider ''
''-The Muzzle brake/flash hider was turned down from a piece of bar ''

''The weapon was originally supplied to the production with the black synthetic furniture, but was rejected in favour of the wooden furniture. The weapon was actually built by Bruce Wenztel, the owner of Hire Arms, which is Johannesburg based movie weapons props house in South Africa. I was not one of the armourers on the movie as I was not working for the company that the time of the production. The armourer was Lance Peters who handled the weapons on set on the companies behalf. Hire Arms imported some weapons and supplied the others. I spend most of my time building specialized weapons for future productions and spend very little time on set. The company has 400 feature movies under its belt and seems to be going from strength to strength. I am attaching various other pictures, please feel free to upload as you like.''

''You also mention the magazine in your copy, and it is an early type and was chosen because of its surface area for ease of plating. Brass plating was suggested as an alternative to gold but was rejected by the production in favour of 18crt gold plating, which cost a small fortune."''

As mentioned in Martin's e-mail, he sent us a number of photos of the gold-plated AK. IMFDB is extremely grateful to him for this exclusive info!

[[Image:AK open.jpg|thumb|left|500px|]]
[[Image:LOW-GoldAK2.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:LOW-GoldAK3.jpeg|thumb|left|500px|]]
[[Image:LOW-GoldAK4.jpeg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-194035.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste, Jr. holding his gold-plated AK.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-196208.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of Jr.'s AK - note the East German side-folding stock (not like the AKS-47U or AKMSU at all).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-194516.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jr. firing his AK into the air from his car while Yuri winces.]]
 
 

==SA Vz.58 Assault Rifle==
In Ukraine, a Russian stockpile of weaponry consists of thousands of Kalashnikovs, which are in fact [[SA Vz.58 assault rifle]]s standing in. According to Director Andrew Niccol in the DVD commentary, the guns were real guns rented from a real arms dealer, as it was cheaper for the production to rent 3,000 real guns than to rent 3,000 blank converted props.

[[Image:800px-Sa 58-JH01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SA Vz.58 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:LOWSAVz58-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thousands of SA Vz.58s are seen in the Soviet armory.]]
[[Image:LOWSAVz58-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the distinctive shape of the stocks, indicating they are not AK-47s.]]

==Micro Uzi==

Yuri's very first arms sale is a batch of [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] machine pistols, which are sold to local Russian mobsters (this is unrealistic as the civilian version of the Micro-Uzi was not made available until 1983).

[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Micro Uzi with 32 rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180394.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A couple of [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzis]] along with sound suppressors and ammo hidden in a video camera case, about to be sold to the mobsters.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-180687.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the mobsters points a [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] at Yuri right after Yuri said it is so quiet that they could unload a mag into him and never wake the guy next door. He should have also told him to put the suppressor on first before threatening to try it on him,]]
[[Image:LOWMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly Orlov ([[Jared Leto]]) examines one of Yuri's [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzis]].]]

== M16A2 ==

In one of Yuri's first major sales, he procures hundreds of surplus [[M16 rifle series#M16A2|M16A2]] rifles left in Lebanon by America peace keepers, which he sells to the leader of a Lebanese Maronite militia (probably the real-life Phalange) in a joint deal with a corrupt American military officer named Lt. Colonel Southern (a reference to Lt. Colonel Oliver North, who in real life helped sell American-made weaponry "under the table" to proxy forces).

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-182389.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A pile of American M16A2s left over in Lebanon (some AKs and [[Heckler & Koch G3]]s are also visible in the pile).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-183078.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of one of the M16s in the pile (the weapon is actually an AR-15, as can be seen by the receiver. It also appears to have suffered damage to the upper receiver just above the magazine well and is missing the bolt catch).]]

==M16A1 with A2 Handguards==
Two Lebanese soldiers are seen using [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1s with M16A2-style handguards]] to execute Palestinian guerillas. One is also seen in Yuri Orlov's weapons container.
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-179366.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Lebanese soldier closest to the camera prepares to fire his M16A1 with A2 handguards. The soldier at the end has one as well.]]
[[Image:LOWM16A1wA2HG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M16A1 with A2 handguards hanging on the wall top left.]]

==IMI Galil SAR==
A Lebanese soldier is seen using an [[Galil|IMI Galil SAR]] to execute Palestinian guerillas.

[[Image:Galil-SAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|IMI Galil SAR - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-179366.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Lebanese soldier (second in line) fires his IMI Galil SAR.]]

== Colt Model 723 ==

During the Berlin Arms Fair scenes, several female models can be seen posing with [[M16 rifle series# Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 733|Colt Model 723s]].

[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:LOWMenuM723-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the models poses with a Colt Model 723 during the DVD Menu.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-181167.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Girls with Colt Models 723 atop a T-72 tank during the Berlin Arms Fair.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-182121.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of one of the Colt Model 723 lying on the floor (next to the uniforms worn by the models).]]

==CAR-15 SMG==
One of the Narco-guerilla's henchmen is seen holding an [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] with a 10" barrel when Yuri sells him Glocks. One is also seen in Yuri's gun container.
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|450px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:LOWShortyCAR-15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Left: The narco-guerilla's henchman holding a CAR-15 SMG. Right: A CAR-15 SMG (shown to be a slab-side) is seen in Yuri's container, bottom left.]]

==L1A1 SLR==
André Baptiste Sr.'s ([[Eamonn Walker]]) escort soldiers are seen armed with [[FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1 SLR]]s.
[[Image:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L1A1 SLR - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:LOWL1A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of André Baptiste Sr.'s escorts with an L1A1 SLR.]]

== Uzi ==

In one scene, Yuri and Vitaly sell full-size [[Uzi]] submachine guns to Somali Islamic resistance fighters (one of them tests the weapon by firing it at a cardboard cutout of Ronald Reagan). Yuri notes the irony of this transaction: "I sold Israeli-made Uzis to Muslims."

[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|450px|IMI Uzi 9mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-183510.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Somali gunman test-fires an [[Uzi]] (missing its stock for some reason).]]

==Glock 17==

In one part of the film, Yuri sells four [[Glock 17]] pistols to a Colombian narco-guerilla (possibly a member of FARC),along with a large shipment of other weapons. When a dispute arises regarding payment for the weapons (the drug lord wants to give him cocaine instead of money), Yuri ends up getting shot with one of the pistols, violating the most important of his three rules; "Don't get shot with your own merchandise".

A notable mistake is that two of the Glock-17s in this scene (including the one used by the drug lord to shoot Yuri) are clearly 3rd Generation models (they have frame rails for mounting accessories, plus thumb reliefs and finger grooves in the grip), which were introduced in the late-1990s, but the scene takes place in the late-1980s. The other two Glocks are both 2nd Generation models, which would have been correct for the time period.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|2nd Generation Glock 17 9mm]]
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|3rd Generation Glock 17 9mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-187090.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The narco-guerilla reaches for a [[Glock#Glock-17|Glock 17]] during the scene in Colombia. The two Glocks in the center of the box are Generation 3 models, which did not exist at the time in which the scene takes place (1989).]]
[[Image:LOWGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The narco-guerilla shoots Yuri with one of the Glock 17s.]]

==Unknown 1911 Pistol==
The Russian Mobster who is attacked in the restaurant single handedly takes out the two hitters with his [[M1911 pistol series|1911]] pistol, although it is never seen close enough to be properly identified. It appears the same gun is among the weapons Yuri sells to André Baptiste Sr.
[[Image:LOW1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Russian mobster fires his 1911 at the hitters.]]
[[Image:LOW1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Russian points his 1911 at Yuri.]]
[[Image:LOW1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri sells possibly the same gun to André Baptiste Sr.]]

==Makarov PM==
A Russian soldier in Ukraine points his [[Makarov PM]] at the Interpol agents when they try to bust Yuri.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Makarov PM - 9x18mm Makarov.]]
[[Image:LOWMakarovPM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Russian soldier points his Makarov PM at Interpol agents.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 686 ==

While Yuri is negotiating with André Baptiste Sr. ([[Eamonn Walker]]), the warlord uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] to kill one of the men in the room, after which Yuri comments that he'll have to purchase the weapon having used it. Later on, André captures Yuri's primary gun-running competitor, Simeon Weisz ([[Ian Holm]]) as a "present" for Yuri and gives him the opportunity to kill him using the revolver. When Yuri is reluctant to do the deed himself, the warlord puts the gun in Yuri's hand and presses Yuri's finger on the trigger until the gun fires, killing Weisz.

[[Image:800px-SW686.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:LOWS&W686-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Sr. examines Yuri's Smith & Wesson Model 686. Here he spins the cylinder while it is swung out of the gun, yet the ratcheting sound is heard, despite having nothing to ratchet against.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-195882.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Now you're gonna have to buy it. It's a used gun!"]]
[[Image:LOWS&W686-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Sr. holding his Smith & Wesson 686.]]
[[Image:LoWS&W686-1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Sr. forces Yuri Orlov to kill Simeon Weisz with the Smith & Wesson 686 Yuri had sold him earlier in the movie.]]
[[Image:LOWS&W686-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the trigger guard as they pull the trigger together.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==

While doing business with André Baptiste, André Baptiste Jr. requests that Yuri get him what he calls "the gun of Rambo"; an [[M60 machine gun]]. Upon receiving it, he is seen firing the gun at random civilians while driving in the truck to do business with the R.U.F. in Sierra Leone. An M60 is also seen on the Coast Guard boat when Jack Valentine is about to board the Kristol/Kono.

[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:LOWM60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M60 machine gun mounted on Jack Valentine's boat.]]
[[Image:LOWM60-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Jr. hangs out of the transport truck window manning his new "gun of Rambo".]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-211124.jpg|thumb|none|600px|André Baptiste Jr. fires the M60 with sadistic glee at civilians in Sierra Leone.]]

==FN MAG-58==
When Yuri sells Communist made ammunition to fascists in Borneo, one of the fascist soldiers is seen manning an [[FN MAG|FN MAG-58]].
[[Image:FN MAG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN MAG-58 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:LOWFNMAG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fascist soldier mans an FN MAG-58.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A2/A3 ==

Throughout the movie, the Interpol agents are brandishing [[H&K MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5]] submachine guns, both the MP5A2 and MP5A3, many of which have Navy trigger groups. In one scene where Interpol agents confront Yuri as he is about to ship an Mi-24 attack helicopter to Burkina Faso, one of the agents shoves an MP5 in his face threateningly. He coolly replies, "Oh, the new MP5...would you like a silencer for that?"

[[Image:H&KMP5-N.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:Hk-mp5n.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:LOWMP5triggergroup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|If you look closely to the right, you can see this MP5A3 has a Navy trigger group.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-105165.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Oh, the new MP5...would you like a silencer for that?"]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-105633.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The agent in the background has an MP5A2 Navy.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K ==

Interpol agent Jack Valentine ([[Ethan Hawke]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K]] with a 15-round magazine and a Navy trigger group.

[[Image:MP5KA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KA 9x19mm with Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-191772.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent Valentine sticks his MP5K in Yuri's face.]]
[[Image:LOWMP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Valentine with his MP5K slung at his side.]]

== RPG-7 ==

Another frequently-seen weapon in the film is the [[RPG-7]]. In one scene, Yuri gives away a whole plane full of weapons, including RPG's, to peasants to avoid being caught with them by Interpol agents. Interestingly, the flight scene shows that the launchers are armed, having live rockets mounted...never a very safe way to fly.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:LOWRPG-7-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[RPG-7]] in an African's house.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-199860.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yuri hands out [[RPG-7]]s to civilians as he attempts to get rid of all evidence before Interpol catches him.]]

== Beretta 92SB ==

Yuri's brother Vitaly Orlov ([[Jared Leto]]) carries a [[Beretta 92SB]] pistol throughout the film. During the altercation with the narco-guerilla in Colombia, he pulls this weapon to defend his brother. The same prop also appears as one of the guns Yuri tries to sell André Baptiste Sr. ([[Eamonn Walker]]).

[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Beretta 92SB 9mm]]
[[Image:LOWBeretta92SB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly draws his Beretta 92SB when Lebanese soldiers execute Palestinian guerillas. Note round trigger guard, and how the prop lacks a guide rod. (???)]] In fact this is not a prop, it is a working Beretta 92 with a hollow threaded guide rod to allow the attachment of a compensator.

[[Image:LOWBeretta92SB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly draws his Beretta 92SB when he hears an Afghan Mujahideen fire his AKMS.]]
[[Image:LOWBeretta92SB-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly aims his Beretta 92SB at the Columbian narco-guerilla. He had better put his finger on the trigger if he wants the reflex to shoot the man if the man shoots him. ]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

A [[Karabiner 98k]] bolt-action rifle can be seen in the hands of an Afghan Mudjahideen rebel during the montage where Yuri describes the growth of his business. The rifle has a straight bolt unlike a genuine 98k but has the indentation in the stock under the bolt indicating this gun is built off of several Mauser variants.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98K - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-104476.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Mudjahideen armed with a Karabiner 98K]]‎

==Remington 870==
A stainless steel [[Remington 870]] with a side-folding stock is seen in Yuri's weapons container.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceFolded.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with folding stock - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:LOWRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 circled in red.]]

== M40A3 rifle ==

An [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A3 sniper rifle]] with a Harris Bipod and a high-powered scope is seen in Yuri's weapons container..

[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M40A3, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:LOWSniperRifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M40A3 sniper rifle is sitting on the table.]]

==Henry US Survival Break-Down Rifle==
A [[Henry US Survival]] break-down rifle with a stainless steel finish, a matching M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, and a wire stock is seen in Yuri's weapons container.
[[Image:Henry US Survival.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Henry US Survival .22 LR with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope. The weapon seen here belongs to Weapons Specialists, Ltd., the New York-based prop house which supplied the weapons for the New York scenes of '''Lord of War''', so this gun is probably the exact same one seen in the film.]]
[[Image:LOWUnknownPistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry US Survival circled in red.]]

== RGD-5 Hand Grenade ==

Near the end of the film, Vitaly uses [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s to try to destroy the weapons his brother is selling to the R.U.F. in exchange for conflict diamonds, but only manages to destroy one truck (containing half the weapons) before he's shot multiple times by rebel gunmen. He falls close to the second truckload of weapons and tries to pull the pin out of a second grenade as he lies dying, but he is stopped by Yuri, who puts the pin back into the grenade. Vitaly then expires.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|200px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:LOWRGD5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|African Civilians cleaning out Yuri's plane take [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s out of a crate.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107037.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly opens a crate of [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-107670.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vitaly, near death, tries to pull the pin out of another RGD-5 and destroy the rest of the weapons.]]

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Flight of the Phoenix

2011-04-11T13:50:17Z

Lance armourer: /* AK-47 */

''Flight of the Phoenix'' is a 2004 remake of the 1965 Jimmy Stewart film ''The Flight of the Phoenix''. In this film, a group of oil workers who crash land in the middle of the Gobi desert decide the only way for them to get out is by fashioning a new plane out of the airplane wreckage.

'''The following weapons appear in the film ''Flight of the Phoenix'':'''
[[Image:FlightofthePhoenix.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Flight of the Phoenix'' (2004)]]
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== M1911 Variant ==

At one point in the film, A.J. ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) pulls an [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] when he discovers that someone has been taking more than their share of water. He later gives it to Frank Towns ([[Dennis Quaid]]) when the survivors make first contact with the nomads, Towns using it to kill most of the nomads when the encounter goes bad. In the extended edition of the film, Jeremy ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) uses it to shoot a nomad attempting to board the ''Phoenix'' during takeoff.

[[Image:Bruni8mmM1911BlankGun.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Bruni Automatic 8mm CAL pistol, similar but not the same of the movie.]]
[[Image:FlyPho1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A production still of Dennis Quaid holding the M1911. Note the upper slide and the sights, indicated that this is not a standard M1911A1.]]
[[Image:PhoenixM1911 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the M1911A1 in Towns' hand]]
[[Image:PhoenixM1911 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Towns ([[Dennis Quaid]]) opens fire with the M1911 when the encounter with the nomads goes bad.]]

This pistol is actualy a Star 9mm that we had engraved with colt markings. This was because of the difficulty in getting .45 blank ammo at the time. A point of trivia, The director insisted on the correct markings being on the slide so the pistol was flown back from Namibia to South Africa on a Friday and was due back on Monday. The engraver worked on it over the weekend and when it was due to be picked up, he was found dead in his workshop with the Colt Horse only half finished. The slide had to be rushed to another engraver after the poor mans wife was consoled.

== Webley Mk IV ==

One of the nomads can be seen using a [[Webley Mk IV]] revolver when the survivors' first contact with them goes bad, fatally wounding Rodney ([[Tony Curran]]) with it in one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes in the film, as the anemic .38 S&W round the weapon fires somehow causes him to fly back fifteen or so feet. Elliot ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]) then uses it to kill one of the surviving nomads the next day, ending an arguement among the survivors as to what to do with the nomad. Ian ([[Hugh Laurie]]) later holds it on Elliot when it's revealed that Elliot's plane-building skills are in fact based on scale models, not full-size aircraft, but has it taken away by Towns without a shot being fired.

[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk IV .38 S&W]]
[[image:PhoenixWebley 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad draws a Webley Mk IV on Ian and the rest of the men when the encounter goes bad.]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Elliot ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]) with the Webley Mk IV, seconds before executing the surviving nomad]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Ian ([[Hugh Laurie]]) holds the Webley Mk IV on Elliot after discovering the truth about his plane-building skills.]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 4.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the Webley Mk IV in Ian's hand.]]

== AK-47 ==

Several of the nomads can be seen with [[AK-47]] rifles, both fixed and folding-stock models, casings of which are also found around what's left of Kyle ([[Bob Brown]])'s body when Towns finds him while searching for James Liddle ([[Scott Michael Campbell]]). Some of the AK-47s seen in the hands of the nomads are Romanian [[AK-47#WASR-3|WASR-3]] clones, evidenced by the straighter 5.56x45mm magazines, again fitted with fixed and underfolding stocks. Some WASR-3's are recovered when the survivors search the nomads' camp following the shooting, but are not seen in the survivors' posession after Elliott executes the surviving nomad.

[[Image:Aks47e.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKS-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PhoenixAK 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Nomads brandishing AK-47's]]
[[Image:Romanian-WASR-3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|WASR-3 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:PhoenixAK 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad brandishes a WASR-3]]
[[Image:PhoenixType84S.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Rady ([[Kevork Malikyan]]) holds a WASR-3 with an underfolding stock]]

The non-AK47 rifles in these scenes are modified R5 south african rifles that are based on the Galil. As they are of the same family as the AK, the furniture and sight blocks are easily changed. The magazines are the original R5 mags for 5.56 NATO.

== Karabiner 98k ==

In the final scene, one of the nomads can be seen wielding a [[Karabiner 98k]] while charging the ''Phoenix'' on horseback.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:PhoenixKar98K.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad brandishes a Karabiner 98k]]

==Mosin Nagant Rifle==

A number of the nomads in the final scenes of the film were seen carrying [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant]] rifles and carbines, particularly the M91/30 rifle and M44 carbine.

[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mosin Nagant M91/30 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:PhoenixNagant 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The nomad in the background can be seen brandishing a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]]

== Double-Barreled Shotgun ==

Several of the nomads in the final scene can be seen wielding [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|double-barreled shotgun]]s of unknown make and model, at least one having sawed-off barrels.

[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Stoeger/IGA Coach Gun 12 gauge]]
[[Image:PhoenixShotgun.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A pair of nomads brandishing double-barreled shotguns, one with sawed-off barrels]]

== PPSh-41 ==

In the extended version of the film, one of the nomads can be seen with a [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43|PPSh-41]] slung on his back while chasing the ''Phoenix''.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:PhoenixPPSh 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad with a PPSh-41 slung on his back]]

== Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol ==

In the extended version of the film, Towns uses a [[Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol|Heckler & Koch P2A1 flare pistol]] in an attempt to signal a biplane flying over the crash site as they're digging out from under the sand that buried the plane. The biplane however fails to see the flare, despite it having nearly hit the aircraft.

[[Image:H&K P2A1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol 26.5mm]]
[[image:PhoenixFlare.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Towns fires a Heckler & Koch P2A1 flare pistol out the top of the buried plane]]

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[[Category:Action Movie]]

Flight of the Phoenix

2011-04-11T13:46:39Z

Lance armourer: /* M1911 Variant */

''Flight of the Phoenix'' is a 2004 remake of the 1965 Jimmy Stewart film ''The Flight of the Phoenix''. In this film, a group of oil workers who crash land in the middle of the Gobi desert decide the only way for them to get out is by fashioning a new plane out of the airplane wreckage.

'''The following weapons appear in the film ''Flight of the Phoenix'':'''
[[Image:FlightofthePhoenix.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Flight of the Phoenix'' (2004)]]
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== M1911 Variant ==

At one point in the film, A.J. ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) pulls an [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] when he discovers that someone has been taking more than their share of water. He later gives it to Frank Towns ([[Dennis Quaid]]) when the survivors make first contact with the nomads, Towns using it to kill most of the nomads when the encounter goes bad. In the extended edition of the film, Jeremy ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) uses it to shoot a nomad attempting to board the ''Phoenix'' during takeoff.

[[Image:Bruni8mmM1911BlankGun.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Bruni Automatic 8mm CAL pistol, similar but not the same of the movie.]]
[[Image:FlyPho1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A production still of Dennis Quaid holding the M1911. Note the upper slide and the sights, indicated that this is not a standard M1911A1.]]
[[Image:PhoenixM1911 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the M1911A1 in Towns' hand]]
[[Image:PhoenixM1911 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Towns ([[Dennis Quaid]]) opens fire with the M1911 when the encounter with the nomads goes bad.]]

This pistol is actualy a Star 9mm that we had engraved with colt markings. This was because of the difficulty in getting .45 blank ammo at the time. A point of trivia, The director insisted on the correct markings being on the slide so the pistol was flown back from Namibia to South Africa on a Friday and was due back on Monday. The engraver worked on it over the weekend and when it was due to be picked up, he was found dead in his workshop with the Colt Horse only half finished. The slide had to be rushed to another engraver after the poor mans wife was consoled.

== Webley Mk IV ==

One of the nomads can be seen using a [[Webley Mk IV]] revolver when the survivors' first contact with them goes bad, fatally wounding Rodney ([[Tony Curran]]) with it in one of the most unintentionally hilarious scenes in the film, as the anemic .38 S&W round the weapon fires somehow causes him to fly back fifteen or so feet. Elliot ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]) then uses it to kill one of the surviving nomads the next day, ending an arguement among the survivors as to what to do with the nomad. Ian ([[Hugh Laurie]]) later holds it on Elliot when it's revealed that Elliot's plane-building skills are in fact based on scale models, not full-size aircraft, but has it taken away by Towns without a shot being fired.

[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk IV .38 S&W]]
[[image:PhoenixWebley 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad draws a Webley Mk IV on Ian and the rest of the men when the encounter goes bad.]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Elliot ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]) with the Webley Mk IV, seconds before executing the surviving nomad]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Ian ([[Hugh Laurie]]) holds the Webley Mk IV on Elliot after discovering the truth about his plane-building skills.]]
[[Image:PhoenixWebley 4.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the Webley Mk IV in Ian's hand.]]

== AK-47 ==

Several of the nomads can be seen with [[AK-47]] rifles, both fixed and folding-stock models, casings of which are also found around what's left of Kyle ([[Bob Brown]])'s body when Towns finds him while searching for James Liddle ([[Scott Michael Campbell]]). Some of the AK-47s seen in the hands of the nomads are Romanian [[AK-47#WASR-3|WASR-3]] clones, evidenced by the straighter 5.56x45mm magazines, again fitted with fixed and underfolding stocks. Some WASR-3's are recovered when the survivors search the nomads' camp following the shooting, but are not seen in the survivors' posession after Elliott executes the surviving nomad.

[[Image:Aks47e.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKS-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:PhoenixAK 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Nomads brandishing AK-47's]]
[[Image:Romanian-WASR-3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|WASR-3 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:PhoenixAK 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad brandishes a WASR-3]]
[[Image:PhoenixType84S.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Rady ([[Kevork Malikyan]]) holds a WASR-3 with an underfolding stock]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

In the final scene, one of the nomads can be seen wielding a [[Karabiner 98k]] while charging the ''Phoenix'' on horseback.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:PhoenixKar98K.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad brandishes a Karabiner 98k]]

==Mosin Nagant Rifle==

A number of the nomads in the final scenes of the film were seen carrying [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant]] rifles and carbines, particularly the M91/30 rifle and M44 carbine.

[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mosin Nagant M91/30 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:PhoenixNagant 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The nomad in the background can be seen brandishing a Mosin Nagant M44 carbine]]

== Double-Barreled Shotgun ==

Several of the nomads in the final scene can be seen wielding [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|double-barreled shotgun]]s of unknown make and model, at least one having sawed-off barrels.

[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Stoeger/IGA Coach Gun 12 gauge]]
[[Image:PhoenixShotgun.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A pair of nomads brandishing double-barreled shotguns, one with sawed-off barrels]]

== PPSh-41 ==

In the extended version of the film, one of the nomads can be seen with a [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43|PPSh-41]] slung on his back while chasing the ''Phoenix''.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|PPSh-41 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:PhoenixPPSh 1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A nomad with a PPSh-41 slung on his back]]

== Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol ==

In the extended version of the film, Towns uses a [[Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol|Heckler & Koch P2A1 flare pistol]] in an attempt to signal a biplane flying over the crash site as they're digging out from under the sand that buried the plane. The biplane however fails to see the flare, despite it having nearly hit the aircraft.

[[Image:H&K P2A1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2A1 Flare Pistol 26.5mm]]
[[image:PhoenixFlare.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Towns fires a Heckler & Koch P2A1 flare pistol out the top of the buried plane]]

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