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Rio Lobo

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Krispic: /* Colt Model 1878 Double Barreled Shotgun */

[[Image:RioL.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''[[Rio Lobo]]'' (1970)]]

'''''Rio Lobo''''' is the 1970 Western that was the final film directed by [[Howard Hawks]]. This was also the final film of his [[John Wayne]] "trilogy" of Westerns (which includes ''[[Rio Bravo]]'' and ''[[El Dorado]]'') that featured a sheriff and his allies defending his office against an aggressive outlaw element in the town. In this film, [[John Wayne]] stars as Cord McNally, a sheriff and former Union Army colonel, who reunites with former Confederate officers after the Civil War to seek out a Union traitor who helped the Confederacy ambush train shipments during the conflict. The film co-starred [[Christopher Mitchum]], [[Jack Elam]] and future movie studio executive Sherry Lansing.

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==Colt 1860 Army==
During the Civil War, Col. Cord McNally ([[John Wayne]]) draws his [[Colt 1860 Army]] while approaching a Confederate camp but never fires it as he is captured and the gun is taken from him.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 caliber.]]
[[File:RioL 29.jpg|thumb|none|600px| Col. Cord McNally ([[John Wayne]]) draws his [[Colt 1860 Army]].]]

== Remington Revolver (mocked up Single Action Army) ==
During the scenes set during the Civil War, Confederate officers including Capt. Pierre Cordona ([[Jorge Rivero]]) and Sgt Tuscarora Phillips ([[Christopher Mitchum]]) are seen holding what are supposed to be [[Remington 1858 New Army]] revolvers, but in reality appear to be Colt [[Single Action Army]] revolvers with a mock cylinder rod to make it resemble the Remington. Similar mockups appear to have been used in [[John Wayne]]'s 1959 Civil War film ''[[The Horse Soldiers]]''.
[[File:Remington1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Remington 1858 New Army]]
[[File:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Single Action Army]]
[[File:RioL 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capt. Pierre Cordona ([[Jorge Rivero]]) holds what appears to be a Single Action Army revolver mocked up to resemble a Remington 1858. Note the fluted cylinder, more in line with an SAA than a Civil War-era Remington.]]
[[File:RioL 28.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another mocked up revolver.]]

==Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine==
Union Cavalry soldiers riding on the train as well as Confederate soldiers are seen carrying the [[Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine]]. During the Civil War, when McNally is captured, he sees some carbines stacked together. McNally approaches the rifles, but Tuscarora Phillips ([[Christopher Mitchum]]), one of the Confederates, stops him by saying, "stay away from those rifles".
[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 '''Cavalry Carbine''' "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70]]
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==Colt Single Action Army==
Following the war, every character including McNally ([[John Wayne]]) is seen carrying the Colt [[Single Action Army]] as their sidearm, which is anachronistic as most of the movie is set a year after the American Civil War (which lasted from 1861-1865), and the Colt SAA did not appear until 1873.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model - .45 Long Colt]]
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== Colt Model 1878 Double Barreled Shotgun ==
Old Man Phillips ([[Jack Elam]]) is seen using a [[Colt 1878]] shotgun throughout the film. Phillips shows that he's wired the triggers back and is thumb-holding the hammers back so the weapon will fire if he's shot.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:RioL 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Old Man Phillips ([[Jack Elam]]) is seen using a [[Colt 1878]].]]
[[File:RioL 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Phillips shows that he's wired the triggers back so the weapon will fire if his thumb slips off the cocked hammers.]]

== Winchester Model 1892 ==
The [[Winchester Model 1892]] (anachronistic due to the fact that the setting shortly after the end of the Civil War) is used by several characters including McNally and Old Man Phillips ([[Jack Elam]]).
[[Image:Winchester1892Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1892 carbine]]
[[File:RioL 26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Old Man Phillips ([[Jack Elam]]) holds the anachronistic Winchester 1892.]]
[[File:RioL 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Winchesters are seen.]]
[[File:RioL 21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rio Lobo Sheriff "Blue Tom" Hendricks ([[Mike Henry]]) tries to fire the Winchester, but doesn't see that it's clogged.]]
[[File:RioL 19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|holding their Winchesters.]]

== Winchester Model 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine ==
Upon returning to the sheriff's office, Cord McNally ([[John Wayne]]) switches over to a [[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine]] with a large lever loop for the remainder of the final shootout.
[[Image:JohnwayneWin92.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine with large lever loop used by [[John Wayne]] in the film ''[[True Grit]]'', similar to the one he used in ''[[Rio Bravo]]''. Serial #501892. Pictured with .44-40 shells. (Source: Photocopied from book "The Peacemakers: Arms and Adventure in the American West" written by R.L. Wilson.)]]
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Talk:Hondo

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Krispic: Created page with "Guys, I just watched this one for the umpteenth time and noticed something I've seen before but never much gave a thought to. It has me wondering now. In this one, Hondo, John..."

Guys, I just watched this one for the umpteenth time and noticed something I've seen before but never much gave a thought to. It has me wondering now. In this one, Hondo, John Wayne, wears a gunbelt with his 1873 SAA holstered. It has cartridge loops for either .45 Colt or .44-40 cartridges. You can't see enough of them to judge the diff. But he also carries a dozen or more longer cartridges in the same loops. Looks to be .45-70 Govt. I know the old story about Wayne carrying one single .45-70 in the center back so he could tell when he was half down on cartridges....it was a pretty common tactic. You can see that in Wayne pics on the net. But in this one, he carries like five or six of them on the left hip, a grouping of about eight or so towards the back left etc. Altogether, his cartridges are about half and half. Would make sense if he carried a Sharps carbine as he's seen shooting in the last few minutes of the film, but he doesn't. He carries his good old Winchester 92 large loop. The Sharps, he picks up off a dead cav trooper during the indian fight. Any ideas what the larger cartridges are on his belt? I figured maybe it's a Josh Randall trick, but the two diff cartridges in almost equal amounts discounts that. --Richard

Talk:The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

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Krispic: Re: the Baby Browning

== Screenshot From HD Trailer ==
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unknown guns:

Re: reset the Baby Browning; FlyingKat, the Bauer is an almost identical copy of the Baby Browning. Both would be a credible cite in most cases. The key diff in that screen cap to look at, though, is the slide stamping. The Bauer is heavily stamped on both sides of the slide. The Baby Browning is blank on the right side. The BB caliber stamping is also semi-visible through the ejection port on the breech in the screen cap. The Bauer also has a slightly different trigger linkage that makes the trigger extend a tad more forward in the trigger guard. It *could be* a modern PSA-25, which is an exact copy of the BB....but the only key diff in that pearl/polished model would be the left side slide stamping showing the maker.

This is a pic of the Baby Browning Lightweight That RedJedRevolver, below, located. I'm waiting on permission from the owner to copy his pic but here it is until then.

http://randkl.com/babybrow.jpg

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

They said in the movie that it was a .22 caliber. Spades of Columbia 4/10/10

You believe what you hear in movies? What they "say in the movies" very seldom bears any resemblance to real life. The firearm used in that scene was a Baby Browning 6.35mm (.25acp). If what you hear in movies is always true, I have *got* to get me one of those Sigourney Weaver pulse rifles! lol krispic 17:24 4/10/10 (sorry for being snide. was meant as humor krispic)

:That is definitely a Baby Browning, you can see a slide release behind the trigger in the picture, the BB has that as well as the somewhat boxy frame. However, what's pictured as the IMFDB gun is an FN 1905. Anyone have a free picture to reflect that? [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:Is it really? I googled Baby Browning and got that image, so I thought it was accurate. I'll look for another lol. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The one that's up now is a correct Baby Browning. Maroon leather background. Great pic, btw. Nice find. A 1905 has a grip safety and a non-full length slide/dust cover. A lot of folks these days discount the old .25acp as being next to garbage, but for a lot of folks for a lot of years, those guns were seen as serious weapons. krispic 09:07 4/11/10
:Thanks Krispic, and after some hunting I discovered the weapon that is used in the movie was a Baby Browning Lightweight, chrome plated slide and aluminum frame, with a Bronze or Gold plated trigger. Here's a picture, but I'm not sure if it's free or not, but it's a good pic. Follow the link because I'm not uploading a free image. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 15:04, 11 April 2010 (UTC) http://astorarms.ca/images/Prohibited%20Handguns/Browning%20Baby%20Lightweight,%20DSC_4293.jpg

Did anyone else notice that after the second shot Romeo fired the slide locked rearward? -Ballistics_Expert2

What is the extra thing on the end of the desert eagles? Silencer ,just barrel extantion ,special bulht movie extra part or somthing else?
:[[User:Agge|Agge]] 23:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

:I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.
::Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== I recently ==

watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-[[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== LDA? ==
I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]
::''Italian'' flag...? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 10:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

::'''''"but armorers can be wrong all the time"'''''? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

[[Image:BDS2-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp]]

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/PCX745Sphoto_big.jpg]
Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was ''one'' of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg
--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: '''The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols.''' The guns are neither double action or high capacity.[[User:Captain America]]

:Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Para-Ordnance Nite-Tac.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]
As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite ''Hawg''?-[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==
I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::FAL with no magazine.

Wrong, I've been watching the film a few times and hit my books. they are Beretta M202-M2 shotguns. RW66

== Crew Cut ==

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

:Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket ==

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

:Just because it was referred to as a .22 doesn't mean they actually used a .22. The script, for example, said the Desert Eagles were supposed to be .50 AE models, but the prop weapons used in the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

==Sigma or USP==

:This does not seem to be a Sigma, because the edges of the slide are square, rather than rounded. It looks more like a two-tone H&K USP. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

MT2008 - what kind of crack are you smokin over there? anyone with a half of a brain can see that the front-upper left and right (more prominent on the right corner due to the contrast of the gun and his shirt) corners are rounded, just like the sigma.

:First of all, stop being such a jerk. Second, that just seems to be the angle. Also, I will ask the armorer at MAG (who sent me photos of some of the guns used in this movie) if he recalls what was sent out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, you really can't argue with the information directly from the guy who provided the guns [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Noah's gun==

I just noticed that Noah uses a two toned pistol with suppressor when the Italian assassin attacks Connor, Murphy, Doc and Greenly in the Irish bar. It has the shape of an M1911, but I would guess a Para Ordinance. Could someone take a closer look? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:If I recall off the top of my head, it was a Walther P99 with a polished/nickel/whatever-they-call-it slide. I'll try and dig out my DVD and make sure and get a snap of it for you. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 15:37, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

::Pretty sure it was a two-tone Walther P99. Also, in the script, it was specifically identified as a "Walther". Considering that the screenplay also named-checked the Desert Eagles and Berettas used by the Saints, and the SIGs used by Crew Cut, it seems to be a fair guess that the weapons provided by the armorer closely match those chosen by Duffy in the script. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:56, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

:::At first glance I thought it might be a P99 but for lack of a better angle of it I thought it might be a 1911-variant as they seemed too feature a bit in this film. Nice one lads :) [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

2015-05-02T07:42:41Z

Krispic: Reset "Baby Browning" from Bauer 25SSP

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|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Troy Duffy
|date= 2009
|language =
|studio=Stage 6 Films
|distributor= Apparition
|character1=Connor McManus
|actor1=[[Sean Patrick Flanery]]
|character2=Murphy McManus
|actor2=[[Norman Reedus]]
|character3=Noah McManus
|actor3=[[Billy Connolly]]
}}

'''''The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day''''' is the 2009 sequel to 1999's '''''[[The Boondock Saints]]'''''. The sequel has the McManus brothers returning to the US after a Boston priest is found murdered.

{{Film Title|The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day}}
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=Handguns=
==Beretta 92FS==
The MacManus brothers Connor ([[Sean Patrick Flanery]]) and Murphy ([[Norman Reedus]]) again use the [[Beretta 92FS]] pistols with suppressors that were used in the first film. After "earning his stripes", Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) is also given a Beretta by Murphy to use in the hit at the Silver Peso.
In addition to the MacManus brothers and Romeo, the Beretta is also used heavily by many of the Italian mobsters working for Concezio Yakavetta ([[Judd Nelson]]) (including almost all of the mobsters guarding him at the Prudential tower).
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor loads one of the Beretta 92FS pistols after he and Murphy have cleaned them up.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor reaches for one of his Berettas when joking around with Romeo.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor and Murphy fire their Berettas during the drug lab hit.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor about to execute the Chinese gang leader.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo gets his first Beretta.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Italian gangsters firing their Berettas in the Prudential tower.]]
[[Image:BDS2-92F-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another mobster dies firing his Berettas during the final shootout.]]

==IMI Desert Eagle Mark XIX - .357 magnum==
Before carrying out the hit on the Prudential tower, the MacManus brothers Connor ([[Sean Patrick Flanery]]) and Murphy ([[Norman Reedus]]) go to an IRA arms dealer to replace their [[Beretta 92F]]s with custom IMI [[Desert Eagle|Desert Eagle Mark XIX]]s with match weights. They are the .357 Magnum version, according to Charles Taylor, the film's armorer, although the script referred to them as .50-caliber models.
Interestingly, this is a reverse of the first movie: In ''[[The Boondock Saints]]'', Connor and Murphy traded the Desert Eagles that they confiscated from two Russian mobsters for their suppressed Berettas. In this film, they are trading in their old Berettas for Desert Eagles.
[[Image:BDSIIDeagle-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Desert Eagle Mark XIX (.357 Magnum) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the custom barrel weight. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First glimpse of the Desert Eagle Mark XIXs that will be used by Murphy. Clearly visible in this image is the fluted barrel of the .357 Magnum Mark XIX.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An overhead shot as the Saints prep their weapons in the elevator.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Murphy firing his Eagles at the Prudential.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor firing his Eagles at the Prudential.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Murphy holds a Desert Eagle on Crew Cut during the bar confrontation.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The brothers wield their Eagles in the final shootout.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Murphy gets hit while firing his Desert Eagles.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Deagle-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Connor drops his Desert Eagles when surrendering in the finale. These are clearly rubber props, used for the drop scenes.]]

==Para-Ordnance SSP==
A pair of custom [[M1911 pistol series#Para-Ordnance P-14|Para-Ordnance SSP]] with golden suppressors are used by Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) as his main weapons. The slides of the SSPs are engraved with "El Jefe" ("The Boss") in gold trim. As with the MacManus brothers' Desert Eagles, these weapons were custom-built for the movie by armorer Charles Taylor.
[[Image:BDSIIParas-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pair of Para-Ordnance SSPs (.45 ACP) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapons pictured here were the actual screen-used guns handled and fired by Clifton Collins, Jr. in the film; note the custom grips, suppressors, and "El Jefe" engraved into the slides. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:BDS2-P14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First glimpse of Romeo's Para-Ordnance SSPs at the IRA dealer's armory.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P14-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Do these make me look gay?"'']]
[[Image:BDS2-P14-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo chambers one of his P-14s in the elevator.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P14-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo tries to intimidate the janitor into helping him think up a cool one-liner.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P14-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He finally settles on a one-liner: "''Ding-dong, muthafuckas! Ding-dong!"'']]

==Para-Ordnance Carry==
A [[Para-Ordnance Carry]] is carried by Special Agent Eunice Bloom ([[Julie Benz]]) as her standard weapon. She (provocatively) wears it on a holster over her crotch area.
[[Image:Para645LDA.jpg|thumb|none|301px|Para-Ordnance Carry - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BDS2-LDA-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eunice flashes her Para LDA 6.45 at the chief.]]
[[Image:BDS2-LDA-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"What the fuck did you just say to me?"'']]
[[Image:BDS2-LDA-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Um, I'm sorry I called you that."'']]
[[Image:BDS2-LDA-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Well, how courteous of you to apologize. Courtesy is so important, don't you agree?"'']]
[[Image:BDS2-LDA-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eunice finishes her demonstration of how the Prudential tower hit went down.]]

==Baby Browning==
Before the shootout at the warehouse, the MacManus brothers give Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) a nickel [[Baby Browning]] with pearl grips to use, much to his disappointment. Although they describe this as a ".22", this is likely a script error.
[[Image:Baby browning.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Baby Browning - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:BDS2-Baby-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo complains about the small size of the gun. ''"What am I, your girlfriend?"'']]
[[Image:BDS2-Baby-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo fires the Bauer in the warehouse.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226/P226R==
Ottilio "Crew Cut" Panza ([[Daniel DeSanto]]) uses a pair of suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226R]] pistols to murder the priest at the beginning of the movie. He later uses a single P226R (this time without the suppressor) when he attacks the Saints at Doc's bar.
P226Rs are also used by many other characters throughout the movie - FBI Agent Kuntsler ([[Paul Johansson]]) carries one as his issued sidearm, and several of the Italian gangsters use them as well. Also, a pair of two-tone P226s (both older models without Picatinny rails) are used by one of the gunmen who takes part in the final shootout.
[[Image:P226R.jpg|thumb|300px|none|SIG-Sauer P226R - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|In a direct overhead shot, Crew Cut looks over the body of the slain priest, lying on a red carpet. Two suppressed SIG P226R pistols sit atop each other on the floor.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226R-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Crew Cut drags the priest out of the confession booth with a SIG P226R (suppressed) to his head.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226R-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Crew Cut holds one of his P226Rs on Doc.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226R-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Crew Cut pointing his P226R at the brothers.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226R-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A mobster prays with his two P226Rs ready in the finale.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226R-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent "Kunty" holds his P226R on the brothers after the final shootout.]]
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone03.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P226 (two-tone) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster leaning against the wall has a pair of two-tone SIG P226s.]]
[[Image:BDS2-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug with the two P226s charges the greenhouse. The guy behind him a pair of nickel Taurus PT92s.]]

==Para-Ordnance P-10==
A [[Para-Ordnance P-10]] is seen in the top row of the chest rig worn by Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]).
[[Image:Para-OrdnanceP-10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BDS2-12.jpg‎|thumb|none|602px|The Para-Ordnance P-10 is on the top left.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5946==
What appears to be a [[Smith & Wesson 5946]] pistol is seen on the bottom row of the chest rig worn by Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]).
[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5946 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BDS2_903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Smith & Wesson 5946 is on the bottom right.]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] can also be seen on the bottom row of the chest rig worn by Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]).
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 (2nd Gen) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2-12.jpg‎|thumb|none|604px|The Glock 17 is on the bottom left.]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] can also be seen in the top row of the chest rig worn by Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]).
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2-12.jpg‎|thumb|none|602px|The Glock 26 is on the top right.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
The Colt M1911A1 can be seen on Noah's (Il Duce's) vest in the flashback scenes of the movie.
[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt M1911 Pistol - .45 ACP]]

==Luger P08==
A [[Luger P08]] is seen on II Duce's ([[Billy Connolly]]) gun vest. He wields it alongside a [[M1911]] pistol.
[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (Two-Tone)==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP]] with a two-tone slide is held by a hitman outside of the monastery while Noah MacManus (ll Duce) and Louie 'The Roman' ([[Peter Fonda]]) are talking in the garden.
[[File:H&K USP 9MM 5.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP with two-tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Sigmahitman.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|On the right, a hitman holding a Heckler & Koch USP with a two-tone slide.]]

=Revolvers=
==Single Action Army==
A [[Single Action Army]] revolver with pearl grips is used by Special Agent Eunice Bloom ([[Julie Benz]]) in her analysis of one of the crime scenes.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Single Action Army revolver - .45 LC]]
[[Image:BDS2ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Webley Mk. IV==
A .38 S&W service revolver. Two of them were used by Noah Macmanus (ll Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]) in his standoff against the hitmen.
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk.IV WW2 British Army version]]
[[Image:Il Duce Crew Cut standoff picture.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Il Duce standing off with Crew Cut playing a form of Russian Roulette]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629==
During Connor's ([[Sean Patrick Flanery]]) vision of their raid of the warehouse, he imagines Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]].
[[Image:M6298.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BDS2rev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo with a Smith & Wesson Model 629.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686P==
Two of them used by Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]) off a six revolver chest rig.
[[Image:S&W686Snub.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 686P (7 shot cylinder) with 3" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:BDS2-13.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Noah Macmanus (Il Duce) ([[Billy Connolly]]) wields his 2 S&W 686P Revolvers - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BDS2-17.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Two S&W 686P revolvers are dropped into the fountain, one with factory grips, the other with Hogue grips - .357 Magnum]]

=Submachine guns=
==Smith & Wesson M76==
A [[Smith & Wesson M76]] submachine gun is seem on the armory wall when the McManus brothers and Romeo go buy weapons.
[[Image:Sw76-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson M76 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BDS2M76.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP==
Seen hanging on a wall in an arsenal.
[[Image:BDS2-16.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5==
Seen hanging on a wall in an arsenal.
[[Image:BDS2-16.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9mm.]]
The H&K MP5K can be seen in the hands of one of the Chinese drug-manufacturers toward the beginning of the movie.

=Rifles=
==H&K G36C==
Found in one of the arsenals in the movie hanging on a wall.
[[Image:BDS2-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==FAMAS==
Found in one of the arsenals in the movie hanging on a wall.
[[Image:BDS2-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen in the upper left hand corner are two FAMAS rifles - 5.56x45mm]]

==SIG SG 552==
The[[SIG SG 550#SIG SG 552|SIG SG 552]] is seen on the wall of the armorer.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SIG SG 552 5.56mm]]
[[Image:BDS2SIG552.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
A [[Mossberg 500 series shotgun#Mossberg 500 Cruiser / 500 Compact Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] is used by Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) during the final shootout.
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BDS2-Mossberg-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo raise his Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser in The Roman's house before the final shootout.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Mossberg-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo preps a round to be chambered.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Mossberg-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo blasts a mobster with his Mossberg.]]
[[Image:BDS2-Mossberg-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Romeo charges through the greenhouse firing his SSPs, with the Mossberg hanging at his side.]]

==12 Gauge Double-Barrel Shotgun==
While the brothers are tending to their sheep in the beginning of the movie they each carry 12 gauge double-barrel shotguns. When Crew Cut comes into the bar, he is seen using a sawn-off double barrel (it's a very short shot and it's very easy to miss). Connor MacManus Holds a double-barrel shotgun Crew Cut's head.
[[Image:Remington SBS.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Sawn off double barreled shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:BDS2 900.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While the brothers are tending to their sheep in the beginning of the movie they each carry 12 gauge double-barrel shotguns.]]

==Beretta RS202 M2==
Seen to the upper right hand corner in one of the arsenals in the movie hanging on a wall.
[[Image:Beretta_RS-202_M2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta RS-202 M2 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BDS2-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen in the upper right hand corner is a pair of Beretta RS202 M2 combat shotguns - 12 gauge]]

==Franchi PA8==
A [[Franchi PA8]] is seen on the wall in the Armorer's cage.
[[File:Franchi_PA8_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Franchi PA8 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BDS2spass.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Talk:Dawn of the Dead (1978)

2015-05-01T01:20:25Z

Krispic: /* Ruger single six */

The service revolver carried by S.W.A.T. officers Peter and Roger is an FIE Titan Tiger .38 revolver

==Gun store in a shopping Mall==
I know that we have NO gun stores in shopping malls in California. The politically correct crowd would HAVE A COW! Imagine a gun store (or a strip club) in a shopping mall, next to the Toy Store and the GAP clothes store. I have no problem with it, but I know other people would . Does anyone know of ANY current Day shopping mall (not a strip mall) but a big Mall with major chains in it that has a GUN STORE inside? Just curious if they're now extinct. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Even the gun store in mall was faked for this film. I think they jumped off ladders so it would appear they were coming from the ceiling or something to that affect. The gun store was either close to the mall or George's (the director) house I can't remember. In the dvd commentary they said it was a bit have a stretch having it the mall. But they needed guns. A sporting goods store like Bass Pro would have been more plausible.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
When I went to visit my sister in Georgia we went to a mall that had a Bass Pro Shops outdoor World in it. I'm not sure if Bass Pro had stores in the 1970s or not. I think the mall is just called Savannah Mall, but I'm not sure. They had GAP, Dillard's, Victoria's Secret, Bath n Body, Target, and so on. It was a really big mall. The Bass Pro was loaded with firearms and ammunition. The ammunition was actually just sitting on shelves where you could pick them up and look through them, something I had never seen before. If I had to guess Id say over 100 Rifles and Shotguns and 50+ pistols. If I ruled the world gun stores and strip clubs would be mandatory in every mall. :sighs: If only, ... if only. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 17:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Actually in Honolulu, a while ago (I'm not sure if it's the case any more) there was a Pure Platinum Strip club (all nude) that was in an outdoor mall near downtown. People were always taking pictures of the very fancy front door (It made no mention of 'Gentlemen's club" or "strip club" it was just a fancy wooden frame and foyer with two large brushed silver doors with the embossed logo "Pure Platinum". But it was right next to the Kay-Bee Toy's shop at the time so what's what people were photographing, the front of a strip club next to a toy store. LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:GunsInARealMall.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guns in the Mall. There was about four or five more cases like this displaying pistols. The rifles and shotguns lined the whole firearms center stretching maybe 40+ feet.]]

:They have a Mall w/ a Bass Pro Shop in it somewhere around Houston-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::I work for Bass Pro. That's the one in either Katy or Pearland. And in Springfield, Missouri, our mall has an MC Sports inside, which sells a small number of handguns and rifles. We also used to have a mall with a Wal-Mart in it; I don't remember if they had guns or not, though.--[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 15:18, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

:A strip club in a mall? Well, it gives you something to do while your wife/ girlfriend is shopping-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

:There is a bass pro in Orlando with loads o' guns and my mall has a tattoo parlor in it

=Several Unidentified Firearms=
There are a Multitude of Firearms I cannot identify, if you can identify them feel free to contribute.
[[Image:D78gstore.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gunshop Firearms]]
[[Image:D78guns.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hunting Rifles]]
[[Image:D78hunting.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hunting Rifles]]
[[Image:D78rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|unknown rifle]]

This one, handled by the SWAT fellow, appears to be a Mossberg 390 bolt action shotgun. A pretty common gun at that time. The barrel size is pretty large so it's at least a 20 gauge. I'm not comfortable adding entirely new items anymore so I'm not adding it. Anyone that wants to is welcome to. :Krispic
[[Image:D78riflebiker.jpg|600px|thumb|none|unknown rifles]]
[[Image:D78practice.jpg|600px|none|thumb|unknown rifles]]

=Fun Trivia=

==Miscellaneous==
[[Image:D78dummyshotgun.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The split second before and after Wooley blows the head of the apartment resident (it was NOT meant to be a zombie). This was a head made by [[Tom Savini]]. It is made from a mold of [[Gaylen Ross]] for the original ending of the movie (Peter commits suicide, and Fran sticks her head in the blades of the Helicopter). When they decided to change the ending, they decided to use it in the tenement building scene, so Savini made it look like a African-American male, filled with food scraps, and shot with an actual shotgun.]]
[[Image:D78headshot4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Peter shoots a zombie (Nick Maestandrea) in the head. This effect was generated by yanking a soup can lid (using fishing line) through the mortician's wax layered on the actor's forehead.]]
[[Image:D78shotgunbandolier.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Steve loads a bandoleer up with shotgun shells despite not being armed with a shotgun. Of course it can be argued that a loaded 12 gauge bandoleer was for another unseen shotgun that was stowed somewhere in their 'apartment' hidden on the top floor of the mall.]]
[[Image:D78bandolier.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Despite being armed with M16's the "soldiers" in the Apartment scene are wearing World War II vintage M43 Green 10 pocket M1 Garand ammo belts.]]

== Screencaps look good. ==

Good job on the screencaps. A classic horror movie deserves a snazzy looking page of its own.
--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fran acting strange. ==

well according to Romero in the voice over narrative the whole scene was something of an improv and almost landed on the cutting room floor. But they decided to leave it in at the last minute. From what I gathered from the voice over it was showing how the survivors were starting to crack up even with all the goodies in the mall. Fran has gone all out with the make up and "stuff" but isn't secure and still needs a gun.Great material wealth has not made her happy. Twenty years ago when I was a college student I would have been able to explain the deeper meaning to the whole scene. I have no doubt. But I'm not nearly as cool anymore so just go with the idea that everything is getting to her. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:D78strange.jpg|thumb|none|350px|This scene always had me confused]]

Nope she's not acting strange. She's BORED. I always viewed the scene is that she is bored, sitting in a mall with tons of cosmetics, so she plays 'dress up' and does this completely over the top makeup like a gangster's moll, except in a cartoon like fashion. She "play acts" a vamp, or femme fatale precisely because she is bored out of her mind. Nothing strange at all here. I always wondered what I would do to kill all those hours in the mall every day, day after day. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure that works as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This was also in the days BEFORE VCRs, Video tape, DVDs, The Internet. They can't watch movies on command. They can't surf the net. Wow. They only had .... BOOKS to entertain themselves with, in addition to the video arcade with those old 1970s vintage games.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that was something that dawned on me a few weeks ago when I watched this movie for the first time in fifteen years. Might have been tempting to just climb up on the rooftop and snipe some zombies or zeds I believe they're called. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:In this situation I would just chill in Walden Books or Gamestop all day while blaring Sabaton from one of the many stereo systems that can be found in RadioShack- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::I hope you mean in a similar situation today. Because there were no GAMESTOPS in 1978. Also Radio shack didn't have a lot of high end stereo systems. In 1978 they had dedicated Stereo stores. Which they had in the mall since we saw the 'state of the art' record players in their hideout along with a bunch of 33 1/3 vinyls. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Did anyone notice the 3/4" video player wired up to the television after they had turned the upstairs apartment into their pad? Back then they probably had seven or eight movies to watch - if that many. But it was very high-tech in 1978. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

== FN M1900 ==
It is either a M14, or M34 Mauser pocket pistol. If it has a straight grip it is a M14, if it has a 'hump' grip, then it is a M34. I can't see the grip well enough to tell which it is.
== Ruger single six ==
Additional Info: Steven's pistol, found in the desk of the maintenance office, is certainly either a Ruger Blackhawk or a Ruger Single Six. The photo above, though it shows a single action revolver, is not a Ruger Blackhawk or a single six which has a different profile from what is portrayed above. -Yojimbo

Not really. The Ruger guns don't have cheap pinned barrels. The one in the movie does, as is obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger guns also have separate grip frames behind the hammer housing. The one in the movie has a one piece frame as is, again, obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger Single Six, as anyone who has owned one can tell you, is quickly identified by the location of the cylinder stop notches on the cylinder. Ruger Single Six notches are almost halfway down the cyclinder...the one that in the movie doesn't. The Ruger guns also always have squared off trigger guards....the one in the movie is clearly egg-shaped.

That gun found in the drawer is clearly a Rohm RG66, *not* a Ruger. In the pic labeled "ejects a spent round", it's obvious. Cheap pinned barrel, one piece frame, cylinder stop notches, horrible *turd brown* plastic grips....all are Rohm RG66 characteristics. In the pic "finds the single six" in the drawer, the RG logo is visible in a circle on the grip panel. That's not a Ruger crest. (krispic)

https://www.lipseys.com/eImages/RUS465N-50.jpg <-- Ruger Blackhawk .22

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_70102.jpg <--- Ruger Single-Six .22

http://randkl.com/pix976191766.jpg <--- Rohm RG66 This is the gun in question. (Richard)

:::Being that this film managed to find the most OBSCURE piece of crap guns in the universe and put them all in one movie (Oh thank you "Plastics Factory!" ;) ) I don't doubt it. I have never seen a greater collection of horrible or cheap or obscure weapons in one film .... ever. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I seriously don't believe the revolver to be a Ruger of any sort. The ammunition is clearly .22 Magnum, but the Magnum cylinder on a Single Six is solid rather than fluted, in the movie you can see the cylinder is fluted. Plus in the scene where Stephen is reloading his gun you can see the hammer is cocked back to the first click. New Model single action revolvers made by Ruger don't have this loading method anymore, and it doesn't look at all like an Old Model. (Ballistics Expert2)

==Ithaca 37==
::That's not an Ithaca 37 in the green circle. Look carefully at the forearm and pump mechanism. MPM20008

Moved from main page, it belongs here..

The shotgun in green could be an Ithaca, an ejection port is not visible to me on this definition of picture. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
Someone Previously say that it couldnt be an ithaca. ([[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]])
[[Image:IthacaM37.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Ithaca 37 long barrel hunting version - 12 gauge, could be this.]]
:I had it down originally as an Ithaca 37 but MPM2008 said that it is not an Ithaca 37 due to the type of pump grip. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's not impossible that it has an aftermarket grip, but more likely to me is that it is one of the shotguns similar to the Ithaca, but of different manufacture. I have seen them in my local gun-shop, however cannot remember the name of the manufacturer. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:::It could be custom [[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]]
The Browning BPS is a possibility. But I don't know if it was in production at the time.
::::I don't think so, it has an Ithaca 37 type endcap --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::BPS began production in '77(got that from the company), and to be fair it only appears to be an Ithaca endcap, I have seen that endcap on non-Ithaca guns. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I agree that is a Ithaca Model 37 Deerslayer as it is exactly like the one I have still new in the box. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 17:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Alright then, it's settles, it is an Ithaca 37, most likely a Deerslayer, but upon recent googling, I have found other Ithacas without the standard pump grip. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

==Thompson M1928A1==

One of the bikers who invade the mall is using a Thompson submachine gun with the fifty round drum magazine and the forward pistol grip.Possibly that biker is played by Tom Savini, special effect wizard on the movie. '''Nah,Tom Savini played "Blades", the biker with the machete,cutlass,and several other knives(including a switchblade comb!).

CORRECTION: The Thompson wielding biker was played by Larry Varia, and was not Tom Savini as was pointed out. Larry Varia recently passed away (2008) and now that this entry has been corrected perhaps his soul can now rest in peace. -Yojimbo

As of December 2008, Thompson used by Varia in DOTD was in still in the posession of Gary Zeller, special effects coordinator for DOTD 1978. Would have been nice, though, if it had been buried with him! :)
-Yojimbo

'''The bikers name is actually Larry Vaira. -SBG'''
==Fran's Revolver==
:*Keeping with the theme of .22 copies, maybe it's a Herters SA22, which is a pretty good .22 copy of the Colt Single Action Army. I have one that looks very similar, but I can't find it at the moment and it doesn't work.-protoAuthor

:Wait, you actually LOST one of your guns? That's not very responsible-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::No, never got it. My grandfather left it to me, and my father was going to keep it until I turned 18, which was in April, and we moved, and it's probably in storage.-protoAuthor

== Wooly's Gun ==

in the fourth pic of the S&M916 i can see that the revolver looks a little bit different to the FIE that they use Has Someone else notice this (Dillinger)
:Yeah, I noticed it too. It's probably that .22 revolver that Steven used. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeppers. It's definitely a single action cowboy gun. Ejector rod housing is obvious. Could be the Rohm that Steven finds in the drawer later but the grips look like they may be actual wood. Steven's gun is cheapo plastic. I'll see if I can get another screen cap. (Krispic Dec 31st, 2009)

== Odd selection ==

this is the weirdest selection of weapons ive ever seen. Some ive never seen before espesially the m16 varient and the rifles seen on the gun store display.
:That's because this movie is ultra-low budget. Hence the .22 caliber guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I actually liked it. How many of us actually own an arsenal of four AR-15s, four Remington 870 riot guns, four Sig P229's, two Remington 700 sniper rifles and two M-79 grenade launchers? Most gun owners have a hodge podge of firearms. Everything from 22 rifles to a 44/40 single action Ruger Blackhawk. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Um. I do. Way more than you listed! ;) LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes but most of us are just civilians. Lucky dog. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

::That still doesn't explain the civilian guns in the hands of the SWAT officers and Army Soldiers.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

What civilian guns? The FIE revolvers? Like Oliveira pointed out the movie had a low budget and the FIE revolvers were cheap.It appears that all the National guardsmen are equipped with M16's or at least the 22LR replicas. The civilans with them are carrying their own firearms.Wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the locals/extras provided their own. I'm not following you about civilan firearms. I'm a cop and I carry a GLOCK 19, GLOCK 26 and a Remington 870. Technically those are all civilan guns since anyone who is a citizen of the U.S.A., not a convicted felon or has been arrested in past for domestic violence can purchase any of those.I guess I'm not following your line of thought. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)-
:Sorry Cordell, bad wording on my part. What i mean is the .22 replicas.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I've read that the gunstore they filmed in was real. So your observation is interesting. Perhaps there just wasn't as much interest in semi-autos in the late seventies. I have a few back issues of Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times and American Rifleman. They date from 78, 79 and 81. Lots of articles about revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns, but not a whole lot on semi-autos of any type. Even semi-auto hunting shotguns. Not a whole lot about the use of firearms for self-defense either. Mostly the focus is real heavy on hunting, target shooting and other sports like skeet.I've read other back issues from the forties and fifties in the past and they were the same way. Many of the articles were more focused on firearms as a hobby instead of a weapon. In my opinion the change probably began in the late seventies with magazines like Soldier of Fortune and the growing popularity of military style firearms in the 80's. Possibly the survivalist movement contributed to that? Anyway I suspect that the gunstore is an accurate depiction of what you would have found in any gunstore in the United States in the late seventies. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Now I don't know what agreement they had with the gun store, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to the lay public about the realities of filming a movie. I've had to set dress several 'gun stores' with my own rental guns. Why? Gun stores are in the business of SELLING guns, not loaning or renting them to movie productions. They may allow them to be photographed on the racks or perhaps handled a 'little bit' by actors, but when you see them being used by ACTORS in sequences OUTSIDE of the gun store, no way those are just borrowed from a Retail outlet. I'm not saying it's impossible that some gun store owner by be extra nice to a production and LOAN/RENT them his sitting inventory. It may have happened in the past. But it's the exception, not the rule. As for set dressing 'gun stores', usually the weapons that are handled by ANY actor needs a wrangler or armorer on set to ensure gun safety. They also are usually locked up or secured after the actor touches them and the camera is not rolling. This entire situation becomes muddy when the gun belongs in the actual case being filmed. That is probably why we see so many more large calibered handguns in the actual REAL gun store, but the characters NEVER use them in the film to kill zombies. The 'used' guns are drawn from the "Plastics Factory" Armory or prop inventory, and apparently all they got are .22s (or cheap FIE revolvers or S&W Shotguns). I would be willing to bet that the .300 Savage 99 that Ken Foree uses was a personal piece owned by someone. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. If the Savage 99 was owned by somebody who "loaned" it then then you just know the Thompson smg was owned by somebody as well. I wonder about the scene where the Rednecks and the national guard are drinking beer and shooting zombies. Supposedly the Pennsylvania NAtional Guard helped out which would explain some of the hardware. You figure the Rednecks brough their own firearms? Looks like they might have. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well since the M1928 Thompson SMG is still in the possession of Gary Zeller (stunt coordinator) (see other comment higher up on this same page), one could assume it was a personally owned Class III gun. But things were WAY different in the 1970s. People who are grandfathered in can get and keep a lot of stuff that younger guys today can't due to the constantly changing rules of our wonderful ATF. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sort of off track here. As much as I would get a real kick out of owning a Carl Gustav Model 1954, MP 40 or a Model 1928 Thompson I don't think I could afford to shoot them more than once or twice a year.But it would be great to have one of those in my safe. And that's why I collect older Smith & Wesson revolvers. Thye might cost me six or seven hundred dollars but at least I can shoot 38 special out of them a few at a time. Oh well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

==1908==
'''[moved from main]''' --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unidentified pistol to the right of the derringer]]

just putting this out there: it's not a 1908, the front end is too thin. I wanna say it's another Colt Pocket Pistol from the same era, but I don't know which. (Fabrique Darmes De-Guerre 32 ACP looks like to me. The FN grips and all.) My wife just pointed out something I think all of us missed on that little auto right of the Derringer....it's actually smaller than the Derringer. It's not the FN I figured.----

Ok, you guys ready for this??? I found it! An Astra Firecat. http://www.asamnet.de/~ehrenred/waffen/images/20-04-04/w3852.jpg If you look closely in the screen cap, you can make out the text for "firecat" across the base of the grip panel. Now how's *that* for obscure???? If someone would be so kind as to grab that pic and post it, I'd appreciate it. I won't even try that.

The one to the far right partially covered by the tag is an "Ortgies Pocket Pistol" in what appears to be .25acp. I've found a couple of decent pics if someone can "borrow" them. I'm not too up on that process. Many thanks on that, Dillinger! I'm sure I'd screw something up if I tried.

http://www.marstar.ca/ac-ortpps/index.shtm http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152276744
(Krispic)

Done, thanks Krispic by the images and the ID (Dillinger)

Ummm, Dillinger, after looking at that, the second url would be the one to use. The first url I had posted there has the extended grip which is a .32acp. The Pocket Pistol .25acp is quite a bit shorter in the grip. Here's another good pic if you need it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152825780

Thanks, sir! (k)

==Bernadelli Model 60 or Walther PPK?==
The gun identified as a Walther PPK seems to have a single action trigger, a thumb rest in the left grip and other features that make me think that it is really a Bernadelli Model 60 pistol [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:dotd colt & walther.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Edited: I'm now pretty sure: look at the box beneath the pistol: the word "Bernadelli" can be partially read.I've modified the page[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

==Colt Buntline or Harrington & Richardson?==
The box beneath the "Colt Buntline" identifies this gun as a Harrington & Richardson copy of the Colt. Curiously, most of the handguns in this gunshop are pretty cheap guns.[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Flyboy's .22 SAA In The Gunshop ==

It was identified as a Ruger Single Six, but in the movie and the screen captures showing the gunshop scene it has a brass trigger guard and backstrap. Did the Ruger ever possess these or is it some sort of Uberti .22 SAA copy? Possibly another brand, I'm not too sure. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 09:43, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Night of the Living Dead (1990)

2014-10-15T07:51:37Z

Krispic: /* Stevens 311 Series H 12ga */

[[Image:Notld1990poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Night of the Living Dead'' (1990)]]

{{Film Title}}
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==Henry 1860 Rifle==
Ben ([[Tony Todd]]) finds a Henry Rifle in the arms of "cousin Satchel" in the house. He takes it and uses it for a little while. Then he gives it to Barbara ([[Patricia Tallman]]), who uses it for most of the movie until Harry Cooper ([[Tom Towles]]) steals it from her.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Henry 1860]]
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[[Image:NOTLD90rifle12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|-Note the missing primer in the cartridge]]
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==Stevens 311==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Stevens 311 Series H]] is wielded by Tom ([[William Butler]]) throughout the film.
[[Image:Stevens_Series_H.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Stevens 311 Series H 12ga]]
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==Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB==
Barbara ([[Patricia Tallman]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB]] off of a zombie police officer.
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB]]
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==Smith & Wesson Model 10 Snubnose ==
Ben ([[Tony Todd]]) takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] snubnose revolver off of a zombie cop, presumably the cop's backup weapon.
[[Image:S&WModel10Snub.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith and Wesson Model 10 snubnose]]
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==CAR-15 Variant==
One of the zombie hunters at the end of the film carries a [[M16##Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] variant (an aftermarket commercial version of the XM177E2 Rifle) (with a legal 16" barrel and elongated flash hider).
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Commercial CAR-15 semiautomatic Rifle]]
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==Remington 1100==
A couple of militia are seen with the [[Remington 1100]].
[[Image:1100sporting20.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 1100 Sporting Shotgun]]
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==Remington 700==
Several militia members use the [[Remington 700]].
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700]]
[[Image:NOTLD90rev6.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:NOTLD90AR2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Man to the right has a [[Remington 700]]]]
[[Image:NOTLD90702.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hanging out at the Roach Coach.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
A pair of militia have [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]]'s
[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]
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==Smith & Wesson Model 10 (Nickel)==
A sheriff carries what appears to be a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]].
[[File:Nickel M&P.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel plated Smith & Wesson M&P with S&W "combat" grips]]
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==Winchester 1300==
A couple of Militia can be seen with the [[Winchester 1300]].
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Defender.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester M1300]]
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==Winchester 1894==
A [[Winchester Model 1894]] can be seen briefly on a Militia member.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1894.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1894]]
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'''Notation:'''
Early in the film, Ben makes mention of a man with an "M16" in a diner. It is never seen in the movie, although it is more likely an [[AR-15]] as it is used by a civilian.

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Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1990)

2014-08-17T20:47:04Z

Krispic: /* The Double Barrel Shotgun */

==Why call the Henry rifle a replica?==
Sure it's most likely a modern firing replica, but why note it as such in the title? Replica implies a NON firing weapon when put in the gun's title. And since there is no proof that it is NOT a mint condition Henry rifle (implausible as that may be) it should be listed as a Henry Rifle since that's what it is.. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Plus, Henry still makes rifles-S&Wshooter
::What would the Henry be chambered in? I doubt it would be the .44 rimfire cartridge the original came in because I'm pretty sure that hasn't been commercially available for decades. Would it be something like .45 Colt or .44special or something?

It's an italian reproduction of the Henry 1860, chambered for the .45 Colt. A close viewing of the movie shows Barbara loading the gun, with the rounds being too big and too pristine to be .44 rimfire, and the yellow Winchester Super X box is plainly visible in the background. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==The Double Barrel Shotgun==
- Not so sure it's a Stevens, that forearm looks awful more like a Stoeger, can you get some better screencaps of the side? [[User:RedJedRevolver]]
:Those are all the best shots I have of it --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:26, 12 June 2009
-Okay, that's fine, but I'm not sold that it is a Stevens, it appears to have two pins in the proper place for a Stevens, but that foregrip and the side of the gun itself is bugging me. On the Stevens there are grooves in front the grip on either side of the frame, but as you can see in picture 3, but even more clear in picture 6. The frame and grip lead me to believe it is a Stoeger or similar manufacture shotgun, can anyone confirm?[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
(UTC)

It's a Stevens series H with what looks to be an A forearm. Good gun but common. The Stoegers have the stock inletted into the frame on the back side of the receiver. The Stevens is straight. (Krispic)

The gun is a Stevens 311 Series H. It looks nothing like a Stoeger Uplander with that receiver inletting for the stock. The Uplander didn't even exist when that movie was in production. The Stevens 311 is far and away the most common double in any movie you see one in. That one in the movie has obvious Stevens pins, the Uplander doesn't. You don't identify a shotgun by the type of wood it happens to sport, though. That would be like trying to identify a Mossy 500 based on an ATI etc stock someone put on it. The metal is the gun and that metal is an obvious 311 Series H.

This is a Stevens 311 Series H. See if anyone still thinks the above is a Stoeger?

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Stevens_Series_H.jpg

I'm going to let this go for a week or two and then if there's no objections, I'll change it on the page. It'll probably get changed back (lol), but it's no biggy either way. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:47, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

The comments question I posted was before I learned that editing is up to the individual, not set it stone by the site. I would mention one gun as something and the next time I visited, it would be marked something else. No biggy. It's the nature of the beast. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

For some reason, my comments seem to be being deleted. Is there a reason for that? (Krispic)
::A lot of commentary that is not encyclopedia in nature is deleted from the movie page. People are being encouraged to put all discussion on the discussion pages. Also if the comments are sarcastic or pedantic, then they will be moved. This is in line with a current trend to clean up the site. There was a TON of childish crap on the site put there by, you guessed it, children. Don't know what comments you are referring to but I hope this explanation of the general trend of the site helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Also Krispic, at the END of your paragraphs, type in the character ~ and do it four times in a row (no page breaks). It will save you the hassle of typing in your username all the time. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Caption AdAstra.

==The snubby revolver==

Does anyone think that might not be a Model 10, but a J frame Mod 36? A K frame 10 is a large gun, not toy-like as that one is in Ben's hand. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:05, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

==Winchester 1300==
I'm removing this image from the main page as it is almost identical to another image, I'm not deleting it however because it shows the endcap in-case someone disputes it.
[[Image:NOTLD90ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1990)

2014-08-17T20:42:37Z

Krispic: /* The Double Barrel Shotgun */

==Why call the Henry rifle a replica?==
Sure it's most likely a modern firing replica, but why note it as such in the title? Replica implies a NON firing weapon when put in the gun's title. And since there is no proof that it is NOT a mint condition Henry rifle (implausible as that may be) it should be listed as a Henry Rifle since that's what it is.. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Plus, Henry still makes rifles-S&Wshooter
::What would the Henry be chambered in? I doubt it would be the .44 rimfire cartridge the original came in because I'm pretty sure that hasn't been commercially available for decades. Would it be something like .45 Colt or .44special or something?

It's an italian reproduction of the Henry 1860, chambered for the .45 Colt. A close viewing of the movie shows Barbara loading the gun, with the rounds being too big and too pristine to be .44 rimfire, and the yellow Winchester Super X box is plainly visible in the background. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==The Double Barrel Shotgun==
- Not so sure it's a Stevens, that forearm looks awful more like a Stoeger, can you get some better screencaps of the side? [[User:RedJedRevolver]]
:Those are all the best shots I have of it --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:26, 12 June 2009
-Okay, that's fine, but I'm not sold that it is a Stevens, it appears to have two pins in the proper place for a Stevens, but that foregrip and the side of the gun itself is bugging me. On the Stevens there are grooves in front the grip on either side of the frame, but as you can see in picture 3, but even more clear in picture 6. The frame and grip lead me to believe it is a Stoeger or similar manufacture shotgun, can anyone confirm?[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
(UTC)

It's a Stevens series H with what looks to be an A forearm. Good gun but common. The Stoegers have the stock inletted into the frame on the back side of the receiver. The Stevens is straight. (Krispic)

The gun is a Stevens 311 Series H. It looks nothing like a Stoeger Uplander. The Uplander didn't even exist when that movie was in production. The Stevens 311 is far and away the most common double in any movie you see one in. That one in the movie has obvious Stevens pins, the Uplander doesn't. You don't identify a shotgun by the type of wood it happens to sport. That would be like trying to identify a Mossy 500 based on an ATI etc stock someone put on it. The metal is the gun and that metal is an obvious 311 Series H.

This is a Stevens 311 Series H. See if anyone still thinks the above is a Stoeger?

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Stevens_Series_H.jpg

The comments question I posted was before I learned that editing is up to the individual, not set it stone. I would mention one gun as something and the next time I visited, it would be marked something else. No biggy. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

For some reason, my comments seem to be being deleted. Is there a reason for that? (Krispic)
::A lot of commentary that is not encyclopedia in nature is deleted from the movie page. People are being encouraged to put all discussion on the discussion pages. Also if the comments are sarcastic or pedantic, then they will be moved. This is in line with a current trend to clean up the site. There was a TON of childish crap on the site put there by, you guessed it, children. Don't know what comments you are referring to but I hope this explanation of the general trend of the site helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Also Krispic, at the END of your paragraphs, type in the character ~ and do it four times in a row (no page breaks). It will save you the hassle of typing in your username all the time. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Caption AdAstra.

==The snubby revolver==

Does anyone think that might not be a Model 10, but a J frame Mod 36? A K frame 10 is a large gun, not toy-like as that one is in Ben's hand. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:05, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

==Winchester 1300==
I'm removing this image from the main page as it is almost identical to another image, I'm not deleting it however because it shows the endcap in-case someone disputes it.
[[Image:NOTLD90ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

File:Stevens Series H.jpg

2014-08-17T20:37:53Z

Krispic: Stevens 311 Series H shotgun

Stevens 311 Series H shotgun

Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1990)

2014-08-17T20:05:26Z

Krispic:

==Why call the Henry rifle a replica?==
Sure it's most likely a modern firing replica, but why note it as such in the title? Replica implies a NON firing weapon when put in the gun's title. And since there is no proof that it is NOT a mint condition Henry rifle (implausible as that may be) it should be listed as a Henry Rifle since that's what it is.. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Plus, Henry still makes rifles-S&Wshooter
::What would the Henry be chambered in? I doubt it would be the .44 rimfire cartridge the original came in because I'm pretty sure that hasn't been commercially available for decades. Would it be something like .45 Colt or .44special or something?

It's an italian reproduction of the Henry 1860, chambered for the .45 Colt. A close viewing of the movie shows Barbara loading the gun, with the rounds being too big and too pristine to be .44 rimfire, and the yellow Winchester Super X box is plainly visible in the background. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==The Double Barrel Shotgun==
- Not so sure it's a Stevens, that forearm looks awful more like a Stoeger, can you get some better screencaps of the side? [[User:RedJedRevolver]]
:Those are all the best shots I have of it --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:26, 12 June 2009
-Okay, that's fine, but I'm not sold that it is a Stevens, it appears to have two pins in the proper place for a Stevens, but that foregrip and the side of the gun itself is bugging me. On the Stevens there are grooves in front the grip on either side of the frame, but as you can see in picture 3, but even more clear in picture 6. The frame and grip lead me to believe it is a Stoeger or similar manufacture shotgun, can anyone confirm?[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
(UTC)

It's a Stevens series H with what looks to be an A forearm. Good gun but common. The Stoegers have the stock inletted into the frame on the back side of the receiver. The Stevens is straight. (Krispic)

The gun is a Stevens 311 Series H. It looks nothing like a Stoeger Uplander. The Uplander didn't even exist when that movie was in production. The Stevens 311 is far and away the most common double in any movie you see one in. That one in the movie has obvious Stevens pins, the Uplander doesn't. You don't identify a shotgun by the type of wood it happens to sport. That would be like trying to identify a Mossy 500 based on an ATI etc stock someone put on it. The metal is the gun and that metal is an obvious 311 Series H.

The comments question I posted was before I learned that editing is up to the individual, not set it stone. I would mention one gun as something and the next time I visited, it would be marked something else. No biggy. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

For some reason, my comments seem to be being deleted. Is there a reason for that? (Krispic)
::A lot of commentary that is not encyclopedia in nature is deleted from the movie page. People are being encouraged to put all discussion on the discussion pages. Also if the comments are sarcastic or pedantic, then they will be moved. This is in line with a current trend to clean up the site. There was a TON of childish crap on the site put there by, you guessed it, children. Don't know what comments you are referring to but I hope this explanation of the general trend of the site helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Also Krispic, at the END of your paragraphs, type in the character ~ and do it four times in a row (no page breaks). It will save you the hassle of typing in your username all the time. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Caption AdAstra.

==The snubby revolver==

Does anyone think that might not be a Model 10, but a J frame Mod 36? A K frame 10 is a large gun, not toy-like as that one is in Ben's hand. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:05, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

==Winchester 1300==
I'm removing this image from the main page as it is almost identical to another image, I'm not deleting it however because it shows the endcap in-case someone disputes it.
[[Image:NOTLD90ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1990)

2014-08-17T20:01:32Z

Krispic: /* The Double Barrel Shotgun */

==Why call the Henry rifle a replica?==
Sure it's most likely a modern firing replica, but why note it as such in the title? Replica implies a NON firing weapon when put in the gun's title. And since there is no proof that it is NOT a mint condition Henry rifle (implausible as that may be) it should be listed as a Henry Rifle since that's what it is.. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Plus, Henry still makes rifles-S&Wshooter
::What would the Henry be chambered in? I doubt it would be the .44 rimfire cartridge the original came in because I'm pretty sure that hasn't been commercially available for decades. Would it be something like .45 Colt or .44special or something?

It's an italian reproduction of the Henry 1860, chambered for the .45 Colt. A close viewing of the movie shows Barbara loading the gun, with the rounds being too big and too pristine to be .44 rimfire, and the yellow Winchester Super X box is plainly visible in the background. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==The Double Barrel Shotgun==
- Not so sure it's a Stevens, that forearm looks awful more like a Stoeger, can you get some better screencaps of the side? [[User:RedJedRevolver]]
:Those are all the best shots I have of it --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:26, 12 June 2009
-Okay, that's fine, but I'm not sold that it is a Stevens, it appears to have two pins in the proper place for a Stevens, but that foregrip and the side of the gun itself is bugging me. On the Stevens there are grooves in front the grip on either side of the frame, but as you can see in picture 3, but even more clear in picture 6. The frame and grip lead me to believe it is a Stoeger or similar manufacture shotgun, can anyone confirm?[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
(UTC)

It's a Stevens series H with what looks to be an A forearm. Good gun but common. The Stoegers have the stock inletted into the frame on the back side of the receiver. The Stevens is straight. (Krispic)

The gun is a Stevens 311 Series H. It looks nothing like a Stoeger Uplander. The Uplander didn't even exist when that movie was in production. The Stevens 311 is far and away the most common double in any movie you see one in. That one in the movie has obvious Stevens pins, the Uplander doesn't. You don't identify a shotgun by the type of wood it happens to sport. That would be like trying to identify a Mossy 500 based on an ATI etc stock someone put on it. The metal is the gun and that metal is an obvious 311 Series H.

The comments question I posted was before I learned that editing is up to the individual, not set it stone. I would mention one gun as something and the next time I visited, it would be marked something else. No biggy. [[User:Krispic|Krispic]] ([[User talk:Krispic|talk]]) 16:01, 17 August 2014 (EDT)

For some reason, my comments seem to be being deleted. Is there a reason for that? (Krispic)
::A lot of commentary that is not encyclopedia in nature is deleted from the movie page. People are being encouraged to put all discussion on the discussion pages. Also if the comments are sarcastic or pedantic, then they will be moved. This is in line with a current trend to clean up the site. There was a TON of childish crap on the site put there by, you guessed it, children. Don't know what comments you are referring to but I hope this explanation of the general trend of the site helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Also Krispic, at the END of your paragraphs, type in the character ~ and do it four times in a row (no page breaks). It will save you the hassle of typing in your username all the time. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Caption AdAstra.

==Winchester 1300==
I'm removing this image from the main page as it is almost identical to another image, I'm not deleting it however because it shows the endcap in-case someone disputes it.
[[Image:NOTLD90ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|600px]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 00:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Dawn of the Dead (1978)

2014-07-25T13:34:34Z

Krispic: /* Several Unidentified Firearms */

The service revolver carried by S.W.A.T. officers Peter and Roger is an FIE Titan Tiger .38 revolver

==Gun store in a shopping Mall==
I know that we have NO gun stores in shopping malls in California. The politically correct crowd would HAVE A COW! Imagine a gun store (or a strip club) in a shopping mall, next to the Toy Store and the GAP clothes store. I have no problem with it, but I know other people would . Does anyone know of ANY current Day shopping mall (not a strip mall) but a big Mall with major chains in it that has a GUN STORE inside? Just curious if they're now extinct. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Even the gun store in mall was faked for this film. I think they jumped off ladders so it would appear they were coming from the ceiling or something to that affect. The gun store was either close to the mall or George's (the director) house I can't remember. In the dvd commentary they said it was a bit have a stretch having it the mall. But they needed guns. A sporting goods store like Bass Pro would have been more plausible.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
When I went to visit my sister in Georgia we went to a mall that had a Bass Pro Shops outdoor World in it. I'm not sure if Bass Pro had stores in the 1970s or not. I think the mall is just called Savannah Mall, but I'm not sure. They had GAP, Dillard's, Victoria's Secret, Bath n Body, Target, and so on. It was a really big mall. The Bass Pro was loaded with firearms and ammunition. The ammunition was actually just sitting on shelves where you could pick them up and look through them, something I had never seen before. If I had to guess Id say over 100 Rifles and Shotguns and 50+ pistols. If I ruled the world gun stores and strip clubs would be mandatory in every mall. :sighs: If only, ... if only. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 17:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Actually in Honolulu, a while ago (I'm not sure if it's the case any more) there was a Pure Platinum Strip club (all nude) that was in an outdoor mall near downtown. People were always taking pictures of the very fancy front door (It made no mention of 'Gentlemen's club" or "strip club" it was just a fancy wooden frame and foyer with two large brushed silver doors with the embossed logo "Pure Platinum". But it was right next to the Kay-Bee Toy's shop at the time so what's what people were photographing, the front of a strip club next to a toy store. LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:GunsInARealMall.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guns in the Mall. There was about four or five more cases like this displaying pistols. The rifles and shotguns lined the whole firearms center stretching maybe 40+ feet.]]

:They have a Mall w/ a Bass Pro Shop in it somewhere around Houston-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:16, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

:A strip club in a mall? Well, it gives you something to do while your wife/ girlfriend is shopping-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

:There is a bass pro in Orlando with loads o' guns and my mall has a tattoo parlor in it

=Several Unidentified Firearms=
There are a Multitude of Firearms I cannot identify, if you can identify them feel free to contribute.
[[Image:D78gstore.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Gunshop Firearms]]
[[Image:D78guns.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hunting Rifles]]
[[Image:D78hunting.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hunting Rifles]]
[[Image:D78rifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|unknown rifle]]

This one, handled by the SWAT fellow, appears to be a Mossberg 390 bolt action shotgun. A pretty common gun at that time. The barrel size is pretty large so it's at least a 20 gauge. I'm not comfortable adding entirely new items anymore so I'm not adding it. Anyone that wants to is welcome to. :Krispic
[[Image:D78riflebiker.jpg|600px|thumb|none|unknown rifles]]
[[Image:D78practice.jpg|600px|none|thumb|unknown rifles]]

=Fun Trivia=

==Miscellaneous==
[[Image:D78dummyshotgun.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The split second before and after Wooley blows the head of the apartment resident (it was NOT meant to be a zombie). This was a head made by [[Tom Savini]]. It is made from a mold of [[Gaylen Ross]] for the original ending of the movie (Peter commits suicide, and Fran sticks her head in the blades of the Helicopter). When they decided to change the ending, they decided to use it in the tenement building scene, so Savini made it look like a African-American male, filled with food scraps, and shot with an actual shotgun.]]
[[Image:D78headshot4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Peter shoots a zombie (Nick Maestandrea) in the head. This effect was generated by yanking a soup can lid (using fishing line) through the mortician's wax layered on the actor's forehead.]]
[[Image:D78shotgunbandolier.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Steve loads a bandoleer up with shotgun shells despite not being armed with a shotgun. Of course it can be argued that a loaded 12 gauge bandoleer was for another unseen shotgun that was stowed somewhere in their 'apartment' hidden on the top floor of the mall.]]
[[Image:D78bandolier.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Despite being armed with M16's the "soldiers" in the Apartment scene are wearing World War II vintage M43 Green 10 pocket M1 Garand ammo belts.]]

== Screencaps look good. ==

Good job on the screencaps. A classic horror movie deserves a snazzy looking page of its own.
--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

== Fran acting strange. ==

well according to Romero in the voice over narrative the whole scene was something of an improv and almost landed on the cutting room floor. But they decided to leave it in at the last minute. From what I gathered from the voice over it was showing how the survivors were starting to crack up even with all the goodies in the mall. Fran has gone all out with the make up and "stuff" but isn't secure and still needs a gun.Great material wealth has not made her happy. Twenty years ago when I was a college student I would have been able to explain the deeper meaning to the whole scene. I have no doubt. But I'm not nearly as cool anymore so just go with the idea that everything is getting to her. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:D78strange.jpg|thumb|none|350px|This scene always had me confused]]

Nope she's not acting strange. She's BORED. I always viewed the scene is that she is bored, sitting in a mall with tons of cosmetics, so she plays 'dress up' and does this completely over the top makeup like a gangster's moll, except in a cartoon like fashion. She "play acts" a vamp, or femme fatale precisely because she is bored out of her mind. Nothing strange at all here. I always wondered what I would do to kill all those hours in the mall every day, day after day. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure that works as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This was also in the days BEFORE VCRs, Video tape, DVDs, The Internet. They can't watch movies on command. They can't surf the net. Wow. They only had .... BOOKS to entertain themselves with, in addition to the video arcade with those old 1970s vintage games.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah that was something that dawned on me a few weeks ago when I watched this movie for the first time in fifteen years. Might have been tempting to just climb up on the rooftop and snipe some zombies or zeds I believe they're called. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:In this situation I would just chill in Walden Books or Gamestop all day while blaring Sabaton from one of the many stereo systems that can be found in RadioShack- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::I hope you mean in a similar situation today. Because there were no GAMESTOPS in 1978. Also Radio shack didn't have a lot of high end stereo systems. In 1978 they had dedicated Stereo stores. Which they had in the mall since we saw the 'state of the art' record players in their hideout along with a bunch of 33 1/3 vinyls. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Did anyone notice the 3/4" video player wired up to the television after they had turned the upstairs apartment into their pad? Back then they probably had seven or eight movies to watch - if that many. But it was very high-tech in 1978. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

== FN M1900 ==
It is either a M14, or M34 Mauser pocket pistol. If it has a straight grip it is a M14, if it has a 'hump' grip, then it is a M34. I can't see the grip well enough to tell which it is.
== Ruger single six ==
Additional Info: Steven's pistol, found in the desk of the maintenance office, is certainly either a Ruger Blackhawk or a Ruger Single Six. The photo above, though it shows a single action revolver, is not a Ruger Blackhawk or a single six which has a different profile from what is portrayed above. -Yojimbo

Not really. The Ruger guns don't have cheap pinned barrels. The one in the movie does, as is obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger guns also have separate grip frames behind the hammer housing. The one in the movie has a one piece frame as is, again, obvious by the pics posted. The Ruger Single Six, as anyone who has owned one can tell you, is quickly identified by the location of the cylinder stop notches on the cylinder. Ruger Single Six notches are almost halfway down the cyclinder...the one that in the movie doesn't. The Ruger guns also always have squared off trigger guards....the one in the movie is clearly egg-shaped.

That gun found in the drawer is clearly a Rohm RG66, *not* a Ruger. In the pic labeled "ejects a spent round", it's obvious. Cheap pinned barrel, one piece frame, cylinder stop notches, horrible *turd brown* plastic grips....all are Rohm RG66 characteristics. In the pic "finds the single six" in the drawer, the RG logo is visible in a circle on the grip panel. That's not a Ruger crest. (krispic)

https://www.lipseys.com/eImages/RUS465N-50.jpg <-- Ruger Blackhawk .22

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_70102.jpg <--- Ruger Single-Six .22

:::Being that this film managed to find the most OBSCURE piece of crap guns in the universe and put them all in one movie (Oh thank you "Plastics Factory!" ;) ) I don't doubt it. I have never seen a greater collection of horrible or cheap or obscure weapons in one film .... ever. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I seriously don't believe the revolver to be a Ruger of any sort. The ammunition is clearly .22 Magnum, but the Magnum cylinder on a Single Six is solid rather than fluted, in the movie you can see the cylinder is fluted. Plus in the scene where Stephen is reloading his gun you can see the hammer is cocked back to the first click. New Model single action revolvers made by Ruger don't have this loading method anymore, and it doesn't look at all like an Old Model. (Ballistics Expert2)

==Ithaca 37==
::That's not an Ithaca 37 in the green circle. Look carefully at the forearm and pump mechanism. MPM20008

Moved from main page, it belongs here..

The shotgun in green could be an Ithaca, an ejection port is not visible to me on this definition of picture. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
Someone Previously say that it couldnt be an ithaca. ([[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]])
[[Image:IthacaM37.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Ithaca 37 long barrel hunting version - 12 gauge, could be this.]]
:I had it down originally as an Ithaca 37 but MPM2008 said that it is not an Ithaca 37 due to the type of pump grip. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 16:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's not impossible that it has an aftermarket grip, but more likely to me is that it is one of the shotguns similar to the Ithaca, but of different manufacture. I have seen them in my local gun-shop, however cannot remember the name of the manufacturer. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:::It could be custom [[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]]
The Browning BPS is a possibility. But I don't know if it was in production at the time.
::::I don't think so, it has an Ithaca 37 type endcap --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::BPS began production in '77(got that from the company), and to be fair it only appears to be an Ithaca endcap, I have seen that endcap on non-Ithaca guns. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I agree that is a Ithaca Model 37 Deerslayer as it is exactly like the one I have still new in the box. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 17:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::Alright then, it's settles, it is an Ithaca 37, most likely a Deerslayer, but upon recent googling, I have found other Ithacas without the standard pump grip. [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

==Thompson M1928A1==

One of the bikers who invade the mall is using a Thompson submachine gun with the fifty round drum magazine and the forward pistol grip.Possibly that biker is played by Tom Savini, special effect wizard on the movie. '''Nah,Tom Savini played "Blades", the biker with the machete,cutlass,and several other knives(including a switchblade comb!).

CORRECTION: The Thompson wielding biker was played by Larry Varia, and was not Tom Savini as was pointed out. Larry Varia recently passed away (2008) and now that this entry has been corrected perhaps his soul can now rest in peace. -Yojimbo

As of December 2008, Thompson used by Varia in DOTD was in still in the posession of Gary Zeller, special effects coordinator for DOTD 1978. Would have been nice, though, if it had been buried with him! :)
-Yojimbo

'''The bikers name is actually Larry Vaira. -SBG'''
==Fran's Revolver==
:*Keeping with the theme of .22 copies, maybe it's a Herters SA22, which is a pretty good .22 copy of the Colt Single Action Army. I have one that looks very similar, but I can't find it at the moment and it doesn't work.-protoAuthor

:Wait, you actually LOST one of your guns? That's not very responsible-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::No, never got it. My grandfather left it to me, and my father was going to keep it until I turned 18, which was in April, and we moved, and it's probably in storage.-protoAuthor

== Wooly's Gun ==

in the fourth pic of the S&M916 i can see that the revolver looks a little bit different to the FIE that they use Has Someone else notice this (Dillinger)
:Yeah, I noticed it too. It's probably that .22 revolver that Steven used. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeppers. It's definitely a single action cowboy gun. Ejector rod housing is obvious. Could be the Rohm that Steven finds in the drawer later but the grips look like they may be actual wood. Steven's gun is cheapo plastic. I'll see if I can get another screen cap. (Krispic Dec 31st, 2009)

== Odd selection ==

this is the weirdest selection of weapons ive ever seen. Some ive never seen before espesially the m16 varient and the rifles seen on the gun store display.
:That's because this movie is ultra-low budget. Hence the .22 caliber guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I actually liked it. How many of us actually own an arsenal of four AR-15s, four Remington 870 riot guns, four Sig P229's, two Remington 700 sniper rifles and two M-79 grenade launchers? Most gun owners have a hodge podge of firearms. Everything from 22 rifles to a 44/40 single action Ruger Blackhawk. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Um. I do. Way more than you listed! ;) LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes but most of us are just civilians. Lucky dog. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

::That still doesn't explain the civilian guns in the hands of the SWAT officers and Army Soldiers.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

What civilian guns? The FIE revolvers? Like Oliveira pointed out the movie had a low budget and the FIE revolvers were cheap.It appears that all the National guardsmen are equipped with M16's or at least the 22LR replicas. The civilans with them are carrying their own firearms.Wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the locals/extras provided their own. I'm not following you about civilan firearms. I'm a cop and I carry a GLOCK 19, GLOCK 26 and a Remington 870. Technically those are all civilan guns since anyone who is a citizen of the U.S.A., not a convicted felon or has been arrested in past for domestic violence can purchase any of those.I guess I'm not following your line of thought. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)-
:Sorry Cordell, bad wording on my part. What i mean is the .22 replicas.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay I understand. Well I would imagine that the M16/22 replicas were probably a whole lot cheaper to rent. Not sure how easy it was to rent M16 rifles in 1977 either. The rifle was still pretty new and some Army National guard units had only recieved their M16's a few years earlier.I've seen photos of National guard units on riot control duty in the late sixties and early seventies carrying M1 Garands and M14's. The Vietnam war really slowed down the updating of small arms for the National guard.M16's might have been pretty hard to get and I would imagine a film company would pay a fair amount. The original DOTD was a low budget movie. Colt was making the SP 101 (civilian version minus the forward bolt assist) but they were fairly pricey as well. So the production went with the cheaper 22 versions. It's all about money.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::As was noted on the main page (and in the movie credits) the "Armorers" for the movie was a Pennsylvania firm called "The Plastics Factory". Ah right. I suppose that's the best you could get in Pennsylvania in 1978! If this were filmed in California it would be a completely different story. There are TONS more dedicated armorers in California at the time, the number would peak by the early 1990s and plummet today due to runaway production and ridiculous gun restrictions. But I always wondered why they had so many .22LR guns, or why the 'gun store' had so few autoloaders. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I've read that the gunstore they filmed in was real. So your observation is interesting. Perhaps there just wasn't as much interest in semi-autos in the late seventies. I have a few back issues of Guns & Ammo, Shooting Times and American Rifleman. They date from 78, 79 and 81. Lots of articles about revolvers, bolt action rifles and shotguns, but not a whole lot on semi-autos of any type. Even semi-auto hunting shotguns. Not a whole lot about the use of firearms for self-defense either. Mostly the focus is real heavy on hunting, target shooting and other sports like skeet.I've read other back issues from the forties and fifties in the past and they were the same way. Many of the articles were more focused on firearms as a hobby instead of a weapon. In my opinion the change probably began in the late seventies with magazines like Soldier of Fortune and the growing popularity of military style firearms in the 80's. Possibly the survivalist movement contributed to that? Anyway I suspect that the gunstore is an accurate depiction of what you would have found in any gunstore in the United States in the late seventies. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:41, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Now I don't know what agreement they had with the gun store, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain to the lay public about the realities of filming a movie. I've had to set dress several 'gun stores' with my own rental guns. Why? Gun stores are in the business of SELLING guns, not loaning or renting them to movie productions. They may allow them to be photographed on the racks or perhaps handled a 'little bit' by actors, but when you see them being used by ACTORS in sequences OUTSIDE of the gun store, no way those are just borrowed from a Retail outlet. I'm not saying it's impossible that some gun store owner by be extra nice to a production and LOAN/RENT them his sitting inventory. It may have happened in the past. But it's the exception, not the rule. As for set dressing 'gun stores', usually the weapons that are handled by ANY actor needs a wrangler or armorer on set to ensure gun safety. They also are usually locked up or secured after the actor touches them and the camera is not rolling. This entire situation becomes muddy when the gun belongs in the actual case being filmed. That is probably why we see so many more large calibered handguns in the actual REAL gun store, but the characters NEVER use them in the film to kill zombies. The 'used' guns are drawn from the "Plastics Factory" Armory or prop inventory, and apparently all they got are .22s (or cheap FIE revolvers or S&W Shotguns). I would be willing to bet that the .300 Savage 99 that Ken Foree uses was a personal piece owned by someone. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. If the Savage 99 was owned by somebody who "loaned" it then then you just know the Thompson smg was owned by somebody as well. I wonder about the scene where the Rednecks and the national guard are drinking beer and shooting zombies. Supposedly the Pennsylvania NAtional Guard helped out which would explain some of the hardware. You figure the Rednecks brough their own firearms? Looks like they might have. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well since the M1928 Thompson SMG is still in the possession of Gary Zeller (stunt coordinator) (see other comment higher up on this same page), one could assume it was a personally owned Class III gun. But things were WAY different in the 1970s. People who are grandfathered in can get and keep a lot of stuff that younger guys today can't due to the constantly changing rules of our wonderful ATF. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sort of off track here. As much as I would get a real kick out of owning a Carl Gustav Model 1954, MP 40 or a Model 1928 Thompson I don't think I could afford to shoot them more than once or twice a year.But it would be great to have one of those in my safe. And that's why I collect older Smith & Wesson revolvers. Thye might cost me six or seven hundred dollars but at least I can shoot 38 special out of them a few at a time. Oh well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah. The Third movie had better gun selection.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

==1908==
'''[moved from main]''' --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:31, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unidentified pistol to the right of the derringer]]

just putting this out there: it's not a 1908, the front end is too thin. I wanna say it's another Colt Pocket Pistol from the same era, but I don't know which. (Fabrique Darmes De-Guerre 32 ACP looks like to me. The FN grips and all.) My wife just pointed out something I think all of us missed on that little auto right of the Derringer....it's actually smaller than the Derringer. It's not the FN I figured.----

Ok, you guys ready for this??? I found it! An Astra Firecat. http://www.asamnet.de/~ehrenred/waffen/images/20-04-04/w3852.jpg If you look closely in the screen cap, you can make out the text for "firecat" across the base of the grip panel. Now how's *that* for obscure???? If someone would be so kind as to grab that pic and post it, I'd appreciate it. I won't even try that.

The one to the far right partially covered by the tag is an "Ortgies Pocket Pistol" in what appears to be .25acp. I've found a couple of decent pics if someone can "borrow" them. I'm not too up on that process. Many thanks on that, Dillinger! I'm sure I'd screw something up if I tried.

http://www.marstar.ca/ac-ortpps/index.shtm http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152276744
(Krispic)

Done, thanks Krispic by the images and the ID (Dillinger)

Ummm, Dillinger, after looking at that, the second url would be the one to use. The first url I had posted there has the extended grip which is a .32acp. The Pocket Pistol .25acp is quite a bit shorter in the grip. Here's another good pic if you need it.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=152825780

Thanks, sir! (k)

==Bernadelli Model 60 or Walther PPK?==
The gun identified as a Walther PPK seems to have a single action trigger, a thumb rest in the left grip and other features that make me think that it is really a Bernadelli Model 60 pistol [[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:dotd colt & walther.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Edited: I'm now pretty sure: look at the box beneath the pistol: the word "Bernadelli" can be partially read.I've modified the page[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

==Colt Buntline or Harrington & Richardson?==
The box beneath the "Colt Buntline" identifies this gun as a Harrington & Richardson copy of the Colt. Curiously, most of the handguns in this gunshop are pretty cheap guns.[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] 18:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Flyboy's .22 SAA In The Gunshop ==

It was identified as a Ruger Single Six, but in the movie and the screen captures showing the gunshop scene it has a brass trigger guard and backstrap. Did the Ruger ever possess these or is it some sort of Uberti .22 SAA copy? Possibly another brand, I'm not too sure. [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 09:43, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

Dawn of the Dead (1978)

2014-07-25T13:18:31Z

Krispic: /* Colt Navy Revolver */

The Armorers for the movie [[Dawn of the Dead (1978)]] were an East Coast outfit called "The Plastics Factory", however more information on them is unavailable.

'''The following weapons appear in the 1978 film ''Dawn of the Dead'':'''
[[Image:Dawn of the Dead 1978.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|Dawn of the Dead (1978)]]

=Handguns=

==FIE Titan Tiger==
The [[FIE Titan Tiger]] is utilized by Philadelphia SWAT, including Peter and Roger.
[[Image:FIE_Titan_Tiger.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIE Titan Tiger - .38 Special]]
[[Image:D78JCtheresathousandpigs.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Rico: '''"Jesus Christ there's a thousand pigs!"]]
[[Image:D78holding.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roger trains his weapon on Rico ([[John Amplas]])]]
[[Image:D78suicide.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A young SWAT team member ([[John Rice]]) commits suicide with his Titan Tiger]]
[[Image:D78basement.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter shoot several zombies in the apartment basement]]
[[Image:D78basementreloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A distraught Peter reloads his [[FIE Titan Tiger]]]]
[[Image:D78M15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wooly goes "ape shit" and kills random apartment inhabitants]]
While waiting for Roger ([[Scott H. Reiniger]]) to return as a zombie Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) appears to be holding a chromed snubnose FIE Titan Tiger.
[[Image:F.I.E. Titan Tiger2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FIE Titan Tiger - .38 Special. Snub version]]
[[Image:D78rogerrev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A weakened Roger]]
[[Image:D78gunsalcohol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter waits for Roger to reanimate]]
'''Thank you Phoenixent'''

==Ruger Single Six Revolver==
A [[Ruger Single Six]] is seen loaded by "Flyboy" aka Stephen ([[David Emge]]).
[[Image:Early-Ruger-Old-Model-Single-Six-Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Early variant of the Ruger Single Six with the black plastic grips (and Ruger Logo) - .22 LR (1953-1973). This is an early 3 screw model that was made between 1953-1962. The later hump back version/two screw version is seen in the film.]]
[[Image:D78cowboyrev2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stephen ([[David Emge]]) finds the [[Ruger Single Six]] while rummaging through the maintenance office]]
[[Image:D78cowboyrev3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stephen ([[David Emge]]) ejects a spent round with the Single Six's ejection rod]]
[[Image:D7822store.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stephen ([[David Emge]]) holds the [[Ruger Single Six]].]]
[[Image:D7822reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Ruger Single Six]].]]

==Herters SA22==
A [[Herters SA22]] with pearl grips is carried around by Francine ([[Gaylen Ross]]).
[[Image:HERTERS SA22 R.JPG|450px|thumb|none|Herters SA22 - .22 LR]]
[[Image:D78gaylenross.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fran ([[Gaylen Ross]]) checks her Ivory handled [[Herters SA22]] Single Action revolver when she waits for the others in the Shopping Mall - .22 LR]]
[[Image:D78franrev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fran ([[Gaylen Ross]]) holds her Ivory handled [[Herters SA22]] Single Action revolver when she waits for the others to return up the stairwell - .22 LR]]
[[Image:D78strange.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bored out of her mind, Francine ([[Gaylen Ross]]) plays dress up and poses with her [[Herters SA22|Herters SA22 Single Action Revolver]] in the make up mirror, to kill the hours waiting inside the Shopping Mall - .22 LR.]]

== Colt Navy Revolver ==
During the gun shop scene Peter is seen holstering what appears to be a pair [[Colt 1851 Navy]] black powder revolvers. Replicas manufactured by Uberti or Pietta. The brass frames indicate they are "Confederate" models and the stepped cylinders indicate they are .44 caliber. A brass framed .44 1851 never existed during the American Civil War however.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1851 Navy .36 caliber.]]
[[Image:D78coltnavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rack of Colt 1851 Navys]]
[[Image:D78coltnavy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt 1851 Navys]]
[[Image:D78coltnavy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt 1851 Navys]]
[[Image:D78holster.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt 1851 Navy holstered]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10HB==
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 10#Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB]] - .38 Special]]
[[Image:D78rev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martinez ([[Joe Shelby]]) puts a hole in one of Roger's teammates, while the man in the red bandana falls back against the building, evading the fight.]]
[[Image:D78rev3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|closer view]]

==M1911A1==
The Police Commander ([[Fred Baker]]), Blades, and Peter all use the [[M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol]]
[[Image:D78M1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Police Commander ([[Fred Baker]]) with a M1911A1]]
[[Image:D78blade1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blades ([[Tom Savini]]) with a M1911A1]]
[[Image:D78savini1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blades ([[Tom Savini]]) tries to draw his M1911A1]]
[[Image:D78peter1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter with a M1911A1 in his holster]]

==1866 Derringer pistol==
Peter([[Ken Foree]]) contemplates committing suicide with this gun until he decides to go with Fran ([[Gaylen Ross]]) to help protect her and her unborn baby. The [[Remington 1866 Derringer|Derringer]] in the store is Chambered in .41, where the one Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) uses is chambered in .22
[[Image:Remington1866Type4.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Derringer]]
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Derringer]]
[[Image:D78derringer2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Derringer]]
[[Image:D78derringersuicide.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter prepares to kill himself]]

==Astra Firecat==
[[Image:Astra Firecat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Astra Firecat - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Astra Firecat to the right of the derringer]]

==1914 Mauser Pocket Pistol==
[[Image:1914MauserPocket.jpg|thumb|none|400px|1914 Mauser Pocket Pistol - 7.65x17mm]]
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Mauser Pocket Pistol#1914 Mauser Pocket Pistol|1914 Mauser Pocket Pistol]] to the left of the derringer]]

==Harrington & Richardson Model 632==
A [[Harrington & Richardson Revolvers|Harrington & Richardson Model 632]] is seen in the gun case along with several other pocket pistols.
[[Image:H&R 632.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Harrington & Richardson Model 632]]
[[Image:D78derringer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Harrington & Richardson Revolvers|Harrington & Richardson Model 632]] to the right of the [[Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket]]]]

==Ortgies Pocket Pistol==
An [[Ortgies Pocket Pistol]] is seen in the display case on the far right.
[[Image:Ortgies 765mm.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Ortgies Pocket Pistol - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:D78pocketpistols.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pistol to the far right partially covered by the tag.]]

==Colt Python==
During the famous gunstore sequence there is a brief glimpse of a [[Colt Python]] in the display case. It is taken but never used.
[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg‎ |thumb|450px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:D78python.jpg|thumb|600px|none|[[Colt Python]]]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 64==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] appears in the display case of the armory.
[[Image:S&WModel64SS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 64 Stainless Model]]
[[Image:D78rev4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|[[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] in the center]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

==Adler-Jager AP-74==
* Used by all SWAT members, in particular, the characters of Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) and Roger ([[Scott H. Reiniger]]) but eventually discarded after raiding the gun store. In one shot, when Peter is unloading his weapon after shooting the zombie kids, we can see the tiny .22lr magazine. The Adler-Jager (also marked Armi-Jager) AP-74 is an inexpensive .22 AR15 clone (that was actually pretty close to an SP1 and much better looking than the .22 M16 clone made by Armscor). The guns were pretty much 'mime' fired, with only the sound effect and blood squibs to indicate that the rifle was fired and is used in place of the [[M16A1]].

[[Image:AdlerJagerAP74.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Adler-Jager AP-74]] rifle - .22 LR. Note the sharply angled three prong flash hider and the forward assist, and the small .22 LR magazine that protrudes under the 'fake' 20 round magazine.]]
[[Image:Ken foree dawn of the dead.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) aims his Adler-Jager AP-74 (standing in for a real SP1 or M16). The AP-74 was a .22lr M16 clone that had characteristics of both the SP1 and M16A1. - 22LR]]
[[Image:D78M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT team member hands out gas-masks]]
[[Image:D7822.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter and Roger disembark onto the mall roof]]
[[Image:D78handle2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter and Roger, with a clear view of the AP-74's small ejection port]]
[[Image:D78handle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter seems to have a strange way of aiming it]]
[[Image:D78mag2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Side view of Peter's AP-74, note the small .22 LR magazine protruding from the faux 20 round fake magazine.]]
[[Image:D78army.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers of the 28th Infantry Division (Keystone Patch) aka "Pennsylvania National Guard" with AP-74's meant to stand in for M16A1's. There is a mix of actual U.S. Army National Guardsmen and actors. The difference between them is striking. The 'actors' look like long haired "college age students" with plain helmet liners only (no steel pot), non-subdued 28th Infantry Div. patch (red Keystone), and anachronistic Green M43 10-pocket M1 Garand Belts. The Real National Guardsmen have Nam era leaf Pattern Helmet covers, shorter hair, and LCE (ALICE) web gear with correct nylon M16 ammo pouches.]]

== Savage Model 99 ==
Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) takes a scoped [[Savage 99]] lever action rifle, chambered in 300 Savage, from the gun store for his personal use. He later uses it against the bikers when they invade the mall.
[[Image:Scoped99.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Savage 99 with scope]]
[[Image:D78breadtobuyit.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Peter:'''"The only man that could miss with this gun is the sucker with the bread to buy it"]]
[[Image:D78hunting3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter chambers a round on his Savage Model 99, showcasing the rifle's lever action assembly - .300 Savage]]
[[Image:D78crosshair.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter's view through the Savage 99's scope. Peter tells Stephen not to fire through the security doors, lest the ricochets 'chase them around' in the store, however, the metal in the security doors are a combination of aluminum and soft steel, easily punctured by any of the high powered rifle ammo.]]
[[Image:D78weatherby300mag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ammo boxes of .300 Weatherby Magnum ammunition ''(The words 300 magnum are clearly seen on the box and the artwork of the casing says "Weatherby")''. Since the Savage Model 99 was never chambered in .300 Wby Mag, this is a error.]]
[[Image:D78weatherby300magbandolier.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bandoleer of 303 British soft points is loaded up; note the rimmed case. Even though a Lee-Enfield is pictured in the shop, this is an error since no 303 British chambered guns are used. ]]
[[Image:D78300biker.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter goes biker hunting with his scoped Savage Model 99 Rifle - .300 Savage]]

== Marlin Model 983 ==
Stephen originally uses a [[Marlin Model 983]] rifle but is incompetent with it. During the sequence when Roger ([[Scott H. Reiniger]]) and Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) are venturing forth from the safety of the mall to get the trucks Fran ([[Gaylen Ross]]) is providing cover fire from the roof of the mall with a rifle.
[[Image:Marlin983.jpg|450px|thumb|none|Marlin Model 983 - .22 Magnum]]
[[Image:D78leadtheway.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roger pushes Stephen aside and takes the shot]]
[[Image:D78fran.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fran ([[Gaylen Ross]]) covers Roger and Peter]]
[[Image:D78fran2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fran chambers a new round]]
[[Image:D78stevegaylen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve and Fran]]
[[Image:D78thompsonsteverifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve]]

==Winchester 1906==
The .22lr slide action [[Winchester Model 1906]] can be seen in red.
[[Image:W1906rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester 1906]]
[[Image:D78winchester1890.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1906 in red]]

==K98 Sporter==
[[Image:Karabiner 98k Sporter.jpg|thumb|none|450px|K98 Sporter - 7.92x57mm IS]]
[[Image:D78hunting2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steve gets a feel for the rifle]]

==Winchester Model 1894==
[[Image:PheonixentWinchester1894.jpg|450px|thumb|none|[[Winchester Model 1894]]]]
[[Image:D78winchester.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Winchester Model 1894]]]]

==Marlin Model 336==
[[Image:MarlinModel336A.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Marlin 336A Carbine]]
[[Image:D78gunrack.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Marlin Model 336]] on rack farthest to the right on the bottom]]
[[Image:D78shotguncache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Marlin Model 336]] cache]]

==Marlin Model Golden 39A==
[[Image:Marlin Model Golden 39A.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Marlin Model Golden 39A]] .22LR]]
[[Image:D78winchester1890.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marlin Model Golden 39A in blue]]

==M1917 Enfield==
One of the rifles on the left side of the red circle appear to be an M1917 Enfield bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:m1917enfield.jpg|thumb|none|599px|M1917 Enfield .30-06]]
[[Image:D78Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In red, one of the rifles on the left is an M1917 Enfield]]

==Arisaka Type 38 rifle==
On the right side of the red circle, an [[Arisaka Type 38]] rifle can be seen.
[[Image:Arisakat38.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Arisaka Type 38 rifle - 6.5x50mm Arisaka]]
[[Image:D78Arisaka.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One the right of the red circle, one of the rifles is an Arisaka Type 38 rifle]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Thompson M1921AC==
One of the bikers([[Larry Vaira]]) who invade the mall is using a [[Thompson Submachine Gun|M1921AC Thompson Submachine Gun]] with a 50 round drum magazine.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1921 "Tommy Gun" .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, like that used in the film]]
[[Image:D78thompson.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thompson in weapons cache]]
[[Image:D78thompson2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Biker ([[Larry Vaira]]) with Thompson]]
[[Image:D78thompsoneyesclosed.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Biker([[Larry Vaira]]) blind fires up at Peter]]
[[Image:D78thompsonstickmag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1921 "Tommy Gun" .45 ACP with a stick magazine]]
[[Image:D78thompsongoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1921 "Tommy Gun" .45 ACP ,now with a drum magazine]]

==MP-40==
[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|450px|MP40 9mm]]
[[Image:D78mp40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Biker in the rear behind ([[Larry Vaira]])'s character has a MP-40]]

=Shotguns=

== Smith & Wesson 916A ==
A [[Smith & Wesson 916|Smith & Wesson 916A ]] shotgun is seen during the S.W.A.T. raid at the beginning of the film. One is also carried by one of the bikers when they attack the mall.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-916A-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smith & Wesson 916A - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:D78M500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wooley ([[Jim Baffico]]) anxiously waits for the shooting to begin]]
[[Image:D78M5002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wooley opens up]]
[[Image:D78teargas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Teargas is fired via shotgun]]
[[Image:D78cowboyrev.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Look at the trigger guard, its me or the revolver looks different to the FIE]]
[[Image:D78bikershotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Biker fires his shotgun]]
[[Image:D78holdingSWAT.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT team member holding his shotgun on an apartment resident]]
[[Image:D78870500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|good shot of the trigger guard]]

==Mossberg 500==
[[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 - 12 Gauge]]
A [[Mossberg 500]] can be seen along the many other firearms handed out to the bikers.
[[Image:D78shotguncache.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shotgun in the cache]]
[[Image:D78shotgun2.jpg||thumb|none|600px|being handed out to bikers]]

==Single Shot Breach loading Shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Single Shot Shotgun]] is seen in the hands of Martinez's men in the beginning of the film, also in the hands of "rednecks".
[[Image:H&R TopperMod158.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Harrington & Richardson Topper Model 158 Shotgun with case hardened receiver - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:D78breakaction.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Martinez's men gets blasted by SWAT. Of course the wisdom of 'charging' a SWAT team when all you have is a single shot breach loading shotgun is questionable.]]
[[Image:D78rednecks.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Break top shotgun in the hands of the man behind the juvenile]]

==Ithaca 37 Deerslayer==
An Ithaca 37 Deerslayer, is seen in the gunshop (in green circle).
[[Image:deer.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ithaca 37 Deerslayer - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:D78winchester1890.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ithaca 37 Deerslayer in green]]

=Assorted Weapons & Non Guns=

==M101 Howitzer==
Multiple M101 Howitzers can be seen being transported by the U.S. Army National Guard.
[[Image:D78arty4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|National Guard M101/M2A1 Howitzer - 105mm]]
[[Image:D78arty5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|National Guard M101/M2A1 Howitzer - 105mm]]

==M26A1 grenade==
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[M26 hand grenade|M26 HE Frag]] hand grenade]]
[[Image:D78grenades.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M26A1 grenade on the left, obviously deactivated]]

==Mk 2 hand grenade==
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|250px|[[Mk 2 hand grenade]]]]
[[Image:D78grenades.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Mk 2 hand grenade]] on the right]]
[[Image:D78grenadethrow.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jack ([[Nick Tallo]]) destroys the truck blocking the mall entrance, an impossible feat for a fragmentation grenade.]]

==Lightgun Thompson==
[[Image:D78thompsonarcade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Peter using a lightgun Thompson in the arcade]]

==Lightgun Rifle==
[[Image:D78thompsonarcaderifle.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Roger leisurely plays duckhunt]]

= Extended Version =

George A. Romero's uncut version of the film shows the gun store being raided during the biker invasion with several more weapons visible.

== Walther P38 ==
[[Image:P38Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 - 9mm]]
[[Image:Dotd p38.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Walther P38]] seen in gun store]]

== Colt Buntline Special ==
[[Image:ColtSAABuntlineSpecial12in.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Buntline Special]]
[[Image:Dotd colt & walther.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Bernardelli Model 60 ==
[[Image:dotd colt & walther.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Remington XP-100 ==
[[File:XP-100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington XP-100 -.221 Fireball]]
[[Image:Dotd airpistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

{{Living Dead Series}}

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Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1968)

2014-01-08T19:40:23Z

Krispic: /* Winchester ammo */

== Guns used by the rednecks ==

I See a lot of lever rifles in the possy and the sheriff apprently uses a bolt action rifle, please if anyone have the movie help me to put some screencaps.

I'll see about doing a few caps tonight. I think I still have that dvd. (krispic)

Welp, cancel that. You've got pretty much all the usable pics already. I posted a couple of clearer caps but there's not much really visible in that movie that hasn't already been identified. The sheriff's rifle is never seen enough to get a decent cap of any sort. The only time he's seen actually shooting, it's a handgun. (krispic)

Yeah this movie was tough to screen cap due to the poor quality. I guess you can’t expect too much from a B&W low budget independent film made in the 60s. Really dark in some scenes and during the daytime scenes the sunlight basically causes a whiteout. I didn’t think that the one posse member used a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk3 because to me it looks like the barrel is much longer, but I guess that is just a branch or something in the background. That one screen shot you put up is really good, is that like a deleted scene? Anyway good job identifying some of the rifles. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 18:55, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

One big prob is that most scenes with firearms are also capped from the tv broadcasts making them even worse. The Lee Enfield is pretty much definitely the No1 Mk3. Have one here that I could measure. It's exact. The receiver bolt bridge is visible in the pic just above the back edge of the magazine and the rear sight, mounted on the barrel is in line with his chin. The stock is cut just right at the barrel band and the muzzle is just above the tv screen edge. Even the magazine lanyard chain loop is visible right in front of the magazine.

That one cap is the very last shot just before the fellow shoots Ben....his elbow is visible in the cap with the chief and the guy who shoots Ben aiming his Ithaca. It's probably the best danged cap in the entire movie. It's a real quick clip.

The white pants/pistol cap is the wrong shape and too short in the front to be a 1911. It's almost certainly a Walther PPK or even a PP, the holster is a strong giveaway, too. I'd label it as such, but I think there would be too many arguments. It's just not clear enough. (krispic) feb 21, 06:59

== Winchester ammo ==

When Ben discovers the gun and ammunition in the closet there's a blink and you'll miss it kind of moment. If you pause the movie you can see not only the "Kleanbore" label indicating Remington brand ammo, you can also see "32" on the side of the box, suggesting the 94 isn't chambered in .30-30.
:Since this film is in the public domain, can you get a cap? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:50, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
:: I'm afraid my image capturing abilities are quite crude and primitive. My work on the page for Return of the Living Dead 2 is proof of that. --[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
:::And you know, it could just be a random box of ammo. I've seen [[Violent_City#Armalite_AR-7|plenty of]] [[Legacy_of_Rage#Smith_.26_Wesson_Model_29|gun/ammo mismatches]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:23, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
:::: I haven't looked at the discussion on this one in a good while so I apologize for the lateness of this reply. I went back and checked the scene mentioned and it IS in fact Remington Kleanbore .32 Winchester Special ammo in at least that one box. I uploaded a cap and a pic of a box for comparison. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32WINSPE.jpg and http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32KLEAN.jpg In that scale, .30-30 Win and .32 Win Spl are pretty much identical. Side by side, they'd be almost identical. There's no reason in my mind to doubt that the rifle *was* a .32 Win Spl. as the gentleman above said. Great eyes, sir! I think it deserves a mention in the text, but probably not worth a full pic. If anyone wants to, feel free to edit those I uploaded.--krispic

== Public Domain ==

Not related to the guns within it, but this movie, for reasons which I'm not 100% clear on, was never copyrighted by George Romero, and as a result anyone can recut the movie into their own edition and legally sell it as their own original work. - [[User: 2wingo]]

Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1968)

2014-01-08T19:39:01Z

Krispic: /* Winchester ammo */

== Guns used by the rednecks ==

I See a lot of lever rifles in the possy and the sheriff apprently uses a bolt action rifle, please if anyone have the movie help me to put some screencaps.

I'll see about doing a few caps tonight. I think I still have that dvd. (krispic)

Welp, cancel that. You've got pretty much all the usable pics already. I posted a couple of clearer caps but there's not much really visible in that movie that hasn't already been identified. The sheriff's rifle is never seen enough to get a decent cap of any sort. The only time he's seen actually shooting, it's a handgun. (krispic)

Yeah this movie was tough to screen cap due to the poor quality. I guess you can’t expect too much from a B&W low budget independent film made in the 60s. Really dark in some scenes and during the daytime scenes the sunlight basically causes a whiteout. I didn’t think that the one posse member used a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk3 because to me it looks like the barrel is much longer, but I guess that is just a branch or something in the background. That one screen shot you put up is really good, is that like a deleted scene? Anyway good job identifying some of the rifles. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 18:55, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

One big prob is that most scenes with firearms are also capped from the tv broadcasts making them even worse. The Lee Enfield is pretty much definitely the No1 Mk3. Have one here that I could measure. It's exact. The receiver bolt bridge is visible in the pic just above the back edge of the magazine and the rear sight, mounted on the barrel is in line with his chin. The stock is cut just right at the barrel band and the muzzle is just above the tv screen edge. Even the magazine lanyard chain loop is visible right in front of the magazine.

That one cap is the very last shot just before the fellow shoots Ben....his elbow is visible in the cap with the chief and the guy who shoots Ben aiming his Ithaca. It's probably the best danged cap in the entire movie. It's a real quick clip.

The white pants/pistol cap is the wrong shape and too short in the front to be a 1911. It's almost certainly a Walther PPK or even a PP, the holster is a strong giveaway, too. I'd label it as such, but I think there would be too many arguments. It's just not clear enough. (krispic) feb 21, 06:59

== Winchester ammo ==

When Ben discovers the gun and ammunition in the closet there's a blink and you'll miss it kind of moment. If you pause the movie you can see not only the "Kleanbore" label indicating Remington brand ammo, you can also see "32" on the side of the box, suggesting the 94 isn't chambered in .30-30.
:Since this film is in the public domain, can you get a cap? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:50, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
:: I'm afraid my image capturing abilities are quite crude and primitive. My work on the page for Return of the Living Dead 2 is proof of that. --[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
:::And you know, it could just be a random box of ammo. I've seen [[Violent_City#Armalite_AR-7|plenty of]] [[Legacy_of_Rage#Smith_.26_Wesson_Model_29|gun/ammo mismatches]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:23, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
I haven't looked at the discussion on this one in a good while so I apologize for the lateness of this reply....I went back and checked the scene mentioned and it IS in fact Remington Kleanbore .32 Winchester Special ammo in at least that one box. I uploaded a cap and a pic of a box for comparison. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32WINSPE.jpg and http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32KLEAN.jpg In that scale, .30-30 Win and .32 Win Spl are pretty much identical. Side by side, they'd be almost identical. There's no reason in my mind to doubt that the rifle *was* a .32 Win Spl. as the gentleman above said. Great eyes, sir! I think it deserves a mention in the text, but probably not worth a full pic. If anyone wants to, feel free to edit those I uploaded.--krispic

== Public Domain ==

Not related to the guns within it, but this movie, for reasons which I'm not 100% clear on, was never copyrighted by George Romero, and as a result anyone can recut the movie into their own edition and legally sell it as their own original work. - [[User: 2wingo]]

Talk:Night of the Living Dead (1968)

2014-01-08T19:37:59Z

Krispic: /* Winchester ammo */

== Guns used by the rednecks ==

I See a lot of lever rifles in the possy and the sheriff apprently uses a bolt action rifle, please if anyone have the movie help me to put some screencaps.

I'll see about doing a few caps tonight. I think I still have that dvd. (krispic)

Welp, cancel that. You've got pretty much all the usable pics already. I posted a couple of clearer caps but there's not much really visible in that movie that hasn't already been identified. The sheriff's rifle is never seen enough to get a decent cap of any sort. The only time he's seen actually shooting, it's a handgun. (krispic)

Yeah this movie was tough to screen cap due to the poor quality. I guess you can’t expect too much from a B&W low budget independent film made in the 60s. Really dark in some scenes and during the daytime scenes the sunlight basically causes a whiteout. I didn’t think that the one posse member used a Lee Enfield No.1 Mk3 because to me it looks like the barrel is much longer, but I guess that is just a branch or something in the background. That one screen shot you put up is really good, is that like a deleted scene? Anyway good job identifying some of the rifles. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 18:55, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

One big prob is that most scenes with firearms are also capped from the tv broadcasts making them even worse. The Lee Enfield is pretty much definitely the No1 Mk3. Have one here that I could measure. It's exact. The receiver bolt bridge is visible in the pic just above the back edge of the magazine and the rear sight, mounted on the barrel is in line with his chin. The stock is cut just right at the barrel band and the muzzle is just above the tv screen edge. Even the magazine lanyard chain loop is visible right in front of the magazine.

That one cap is the very last shot just before the fellow shoots Ben....his elbow is visible in the cap with the chief and the guy who shoots Ben aiming his Ithaca. It's probably the best danged cap in the entire movie. It's a real quick clip.

The white pants/pistol cap is the wrong shape and too short in the front to be a 1911. It's almost certainly a Walther PPK or even a PP, the holster is a strong giveaway, too. I'd label it as such, but I think there would be too many arguments. It's just not clear enough. (krispic) feb 21, 06:59

== Winchester ammo ==

When Ben discovers the gun and ammunition in the close there's a blink and you'll miss it kind of moment. If you pause the movie you can see not only the "Kleanbore" label indicating Remington brand ammo, you can also see "32" on the side of the box, suggesting the 94 isn't chambered in .30-30.
:Since this film is in the public domain, can you get a cap? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:50, 12 August 2012 (CDT)
:: I'm afraid my image capturing abilities are quite crude and primitive. My work on the page for Return of the Living Dead 2 is proof of that. --[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
:::And you know, it could just be a random box of ammo. I've seen [[Violent_City#Armalite_AR-7|plenty of]] [[Legacy_of_Rage#Smith_.26_Wesson_Model_29|gun/ammo mismatches]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:23, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
I haven't looked at the discussion on this one in a good while so I apologize for the lateness of this reply....I went back and checked the scene mentioned and it IS in fact Remington Kleanbore .32 Winchester Special ammo in at least that one box. I uploaded a cap and a pic of a box for comparison. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32WINSPE.jpg and http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:32KLEAN.jpg In that scale, .30-30 Win and .32 Win Spl are pretty much identical. Side by side, they'd be almost identical. There's no reason in my mind to doubt that the rifle *was* a .32 Win Spl. as the gentleman above said. Great eyes, sir! I think it deserves a mention in the text, but probably not worth a full pic. If anyone wants to, feel free to edit those I uploaded.--

== Public Domain ==

Not related to the guns within it, but this movie, for reasons which I'm not 100% clear on, was never copyrighted by George Romero, and as a result anyone can recut the movie into their own edition and legally sell it as their own original work. - [[User: 2wingo]]

File:32WINSPE.jpg

2014-01-08T19:20:14Z

Krispic: Detail of Remington Kleanbore .32 Winchester Special box

Detail of Remington Kleanbore .32 Winchester Special box

File:32KLEAN.jpg

2014-01-08T19:17:36Z

Krispic: Detail pic of ammo in Night of the Living Dead (1968)

Detail pic of ammo in Night of the Living Dead (1968)

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2012-02-23T02:36:45Z

Krispic: /* Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe Basset is so damn useless that he hasn't even figured out that Glocks don't come with manual safeties... --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:28, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

: It's definately not a Ruger SP101. As to the comment of the SP101 being unique with regards to the rear notch site. Nope. All snubbies have that. I have both the Taurus 85 (old shape) and the Taurus 85 Stainless. Looks much more like that due to the unique underlug on the revolver. Also look at the SP101's front. http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/sp101target8.jpg Definately not what we are seeing in these screen captures. [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It appears to be a Taurus 405 to me. Looks large-bored, probably .40S&W so that would match the 405. The front sight is tiny from that back angle which also matches the 405, the cylinder backing plate is the same etc. krispic 21:36 Feb 22 2012

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

:I'm also reasonably certain the 82nd Airborne Division doesn't have tanks in their TO&E, yet the (un)dead soldier in the tank had an 82nd patch on his left shoulder. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Well i would imagine that in the chaos of the zombie apocalypse lots of soldiers ended up with other units doin jobs they aren't really trained for.

Actually smaller units are frequently attached (I believe the Brits call it seconded) to other units for mission purposes. Some armor battalions spent the whole campaign in France (WW II, 1944-1945) being attached to various infantry units - to include the airborne. After all the elements of the 9th and 10th armor divisions that were in Bastogne during the siege fell under the 101st Airborne for the duration of that battle. Funny how the airborne mafia always seems to forget about all the ''other'' troops that fought in that battle. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:17, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

*Naw, that one they've actually made some modifications to like building up the hull and turret to be more Abrams-like and putting an M1-style bulge over the cylindrical fume extractor. This is just a Chieftain with a fake M2 awkwardly perched on top of the hatch weapon mounting. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:07, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

Definitely a 17 in the last episode when shane opens the barn doors and shhots all the walkers he fires too many rounds for it to be a 19

This is getting tiresome now, stop identifying guns based on the amount of rounds that they fire! It's a TV series where in editing they can easily make a 15 round magazine last for 80 rounds (see John Woo films) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:27, 2 January 2012 (CST)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:It's not a P228. The screencap doesn't show it well, but I checked the episode again, and it's possible to see that it has the squared trigger guard of the P226, rather than rounded, as on a P228. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe somebody "requisitioned" (read: looted) it from the National Infantry Museum or Fort Benning; both are in or around Columbus, GA, which isn't exactly close to Atlanta, but it's the closest place I can think of where you might plausibly find a DShK. When you need more HMGs, you grab what's available. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 20:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Weird though, since they obviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, those M2HBs are still there in episodes 2 ("Guts," when Grimes escapes from the tank) and 4 ("Vatos," when Glenn goes to retrieve the Bag O' Guns) and they pass at least two M2HBs on the way to the CDC's front door after they pass the DShK. They weren't just there for the pilot. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 09:18, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

My thought was militia that made a last stand with the army to protect the people gathering at the CDC (notice the weapon is surrounded by bodies in civilian clothes), the DShK having been purchased by one of the members (legitimately or otherwise) and subsequently put to use following the outbreak. - Wolfblade670

Maybe the Russians dropped in tom VDV to help protect the CDC. -Jakezergling

:I, umm, highly doubt that... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:30, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's actually a Busse Combat Team Gemini with a bead blasted finish and black and tan layered g10. Gerber is now supplying knives to the show as well, as seen in the season 2 premiere when Carl finds a full roll in and abandon vehicle. The list of models is on their FB page. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

AUA/

I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Rick's shotgun, from the end of Vatos and on, was a Pardner Pump, but I don't think it was a 20 gauge. Sometimes, hunting model guns can have the vent-rib barrel cut down, to where it is a riot shotgun. I see that as being more plausible. --[[User:1897Reloaded|1897Reloaded]] 11:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

AUA/

*Well it is a show about the dead walking around and eating the flesh of the living. I'm willing to overlook the amazing skill that Rick displays with headshots.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:28, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

:Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt [[Special:Contributions/109.157.4.163|109.157.4.163]] 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Popular Cop Guns ==
An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life." This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.

:There aren't too many police depts issuing the Beretta 92F anymore, even though Hollywood still shows them being carried by cops. Anyway, Glock holds just under 2/3rds of the U.S. law enforcement market, SIG-Sauer holds about 1/3rd, and a number of other makes (S&W, H&K, Beretta, etc.) are constantly fighting each other for what's left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]

Ah, that's right.
Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.)
Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim

There was once a time when the S&W Model 15/67, the S&W Model 13/65. Colt Official Police, Ruger Six Series revolvers, the S&W Model 19/66 and the Colt Lawman/Trooper Mk III were also very popular Cop revolvers.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:40, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

== Flash suppressor on M4A1 ==

Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?
:I thought it was a nongun.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.179.105|129.89.179.105]] 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
::Just for reference,
::[[Image:M4A1nongun.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M4A1 Non Gun]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's a Non Gun M4. Look at the range at which he's shooting at his comrades. Blanks are dangerous if an actor is shooting at other actors who are that close, so they probably had to use the Non Gun instead. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:Actually, the Aimpoint M68 CCO (in this case I believe it is a Comp M2 or ML2) can be used with the foreward lens cover closed. Used in this method, it forms an occuladed eye-sight, which were one of the first types of weapons optics employed. Using an occuladed eye-sight is very similar in principle to the BAC method employed in some Trijicon ACOGs, both eyes are left open and due to the way the brain processes images from the eye, what the left (or right eye sees) downrange has the red dot from the other eye (which is looking down the sight) superimposed on it. This is useful as there are rumors that the red dot (particularly in the Aimpoint family) can in fact be detected from in front of the weapon due to the intensity of the light, espiecially in night battle conditions. So the sceintist might really know what he is doing, but it is just as likely it was a mistake by the prop department.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 22:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== I liked Rick's reaction when he pulled the pin on the grenade in the last episode ==

He was thinkin "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and then hauled ass outta there haha. I liked that little detail, along with him getting knocked off his feet as he tried to get as far away from it as possible, instead of the clichè "walk slowly towards the camera as a bomb goes off behind you with a bad-ass grimace on your face". This show had a lot of nice little details like that. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I liked that too. i hate when like the everyday joe can slowly walk away from a huge explosion,[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

I like the way that he pulled the pin and had the "Oh my GOD!" moment when he suddenly realised that he needed to run fast. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:49, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

== Season 2 ==

Anyone seen the trailer yet for the second seaons? It's been out for a few weeks now. I jus--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)t thought it was interesting that it hasn't been mentioned here.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

I don't have the equipment for getting screencaps from TV, but the revolver Daryl took from the camper who committed suicide looks like either a Colt Cobra or Detective Special. The structure doesn't look right for being a S&W Model 10 or Model 36/37. And the slender grip profile and lack of an ejector rod housing eliminates the possibility of it being a Taurus.
--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

I was rewatching the season 2 premier episode and I noticed something that irked me a bit concerning the scene at the tent where Daryl found the Colt revolver. This is a series known for a great deal of firearms safety and consideration. But here we have an example of typical Hollywood gun handling. Nobody checked to see how many live rounds were in it, they just assumed it was still loaded and ready to be used. For all we know Daryl handed Laurie an empty weapon for taking on the trail back to the RV.
--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==Gerber Bag of Knives==

Carl ([[Chandler Riggs]]) found this bag in the first episode of the second season which contained six different gerber tool knives and machetes.

[[Image:Gerber-Zombie-Apocolypse-Knives.jpg|thumb|none|500px| So long as you use a knife, there's still a little love left.]]

In the Season 2 props video on the AMC website, they explain the endorsement and show some of the gear. The prop master also gives a look at Rick's character specific items, which includes a [http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000582-Modified-Partially-Serrated/dp/B004DT26ME/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1319921541&sr=8-2 DMF Folder]. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 15:58, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

Some of this bag is anachronistic though, as the knives were not invented until after the zombie apocalypse destroyed humanity, and presumably the Gerber factory. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:21, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

How do you know that though? As far as I can remember there hasn't been a date mentioned for when the zombie apocalypse happened, it could be set in the very near future. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:30, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:What I meant is that some of the knives have been released since the series started airing, and I'm assuming that the first episode wasn't set in the future. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:41, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
::Fair enough. I do think of it like well they haven't really set an actual date on when it occurs so anything "new" that shows up in the show is either there to look cool or it's there for some sort of product placement. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:33, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:::Or both. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:35, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:::: Touche --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:08, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

== Morgan's Revolver ==

The revolver that Morgan uses is a S&W model 60

:It can't be the Model 60 because of the curved ejector shroud. [[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:38, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Season 2 spoiler-ish descriptions ==

I feel like a lot of the description "updates" on the guns used (or re-used, as applicable) in Season 2 are giving too much info away. Definitely enough to qualify as spoilers to some people (like me). One shouldn't need to narrate the scene and context in which the gun appears, at least not to the extent some of the descriptions are- especially if it's giving away future happenings.

== M4 ==

I think the caption about the doctor not noticing the covers for the M68 is a little of a moot point. The doctor stated he wasnt familiar with the weapon, and simply picked it up when soldiers started dying or running away. -MissySummers-

== Dave and Tony's guns ==

In the eighth episode of the second season - "Nebraska" - two newcomers walk into the bar where Rick and Glenn found Hershel drinking alone. The strangers introduce themselves to Rick, Glenn, and Hershel as Dave and Tony. I had a difficult time identifying these two guns that Dave and Tony had. Dave's gun looked to me like it might be a SIG-Sauer P226. Tony's gun looked to me like it was some sort of sawn-off double-barrel shotgun - maybe an over/under style double barrel shotgun too. Did anybody get a good look at either one of these guns? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:52, 21 February 2012 (CST)

After watching the episode "Triggerfinger" it looks like hershel picked up Dave's pistol which looked to me like a SIG-SAUER P228 to me. And the big guy had a cutdown pump shotgun that I think was a Remington 870 and Rick was duel weilding it with his Python when they left the bar. The kid on the roof appeared to a have a bolt action rifle but it never showed a clear pic.

: I just watched the "Nebraska" and "Triggerfinger" episodes again back to back. I would have to agree with you now on Dave's gun. It appears that Dave actually did bring a SIG-Sauer P228 into the bar in the "Nebraska" episode. I got a better look at this gun in the "Triggerfinger" episode when Hershel was armed with it. I could tell this gun was a P228 because the trigger guard was curved instead of hooked like the P226 has, plus the barrel and slide on this gun were shorter than what the P226 has. I looked very closely at Tony's shotgun too, but I don't agree with you on this one. There's no way it could have been a Remington 870. I would still say that it is a sawn-off, over/under, double barrel shotgun. (Just my opinion here, but a sawn-off shotgun would be a piss-poor gun for defending yourself against a zombie horde that is coming at you. The shot spread pattern on a sawn-off shotgun would be way too wide to be effective on any zombie's head beyond short range, and it's better to kill multiple zombies from a distance than at point blank range, right?) I also noticed that Glenn had Tony's shotgun later on in the "Triggerfinger" episode. I agree with you about that the kid on the roof though - he sure seemed to have a bolt action rifle with a scope mounted on it. What happened to it is the question now. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 15:59, 22 February 2012 (CST)

Talk:Fun with Dick and Jane (1977)

2012-02-03T12:30:38Z

Krispic: Created page with "==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun== This one's a classic Stevens 311A. A common gun and a good one. There's agreat pic already here on the site if someone wants to edit it in..."

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==

This one's a classic Stevens 311A. A common gun and a good one. There's agreat pic already here on the site if someone wants to edit it in. Short on time at the moment. -krispic 02-03-2012

Fun with Dick and Jane (1977)

2012-02-03T12:28:23Z

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[[Image:FWDJ.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Fun with Dick and Jane'' (1977)]]

''Fun with Dick and Jane'' is a 1977 comedy starring [[George Segal]] and [[Jane Fonda]] as a middle class couple who after losing their means of income, decide to turn to a life of crime in order to maintain their lifestyle. A [[Fun with Dick and Jane (2005)|remake]] starring [[Jim Carrey]] and [[Téa Leoni]] was released in 2005.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''Fun with Dick and Jane'':'''
__TOC__ 

==Star Model B==
A [[Star Model B]] pistol is the main handgun used by Dick Harper ([[George Segal]]).
[[Image:StarPistolB.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Star Model B Pistol, blued finish - 9mm.]]
[[File:FWDJ77 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A gunman is armed with a sawed off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] when robbing a loan office.
[[File:FWDJ77 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
[[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolvers appear to be carried by a gunman as well as the police officers who respond to the robbery of the loan office.
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB (heavy barrel) revolver (Post 1950s Model) - .38 Special. Later incarnations of the Model 10 had a non-tapered heavy barrel, which leads it to be commonly mistaken for a .357 revolver.]]
[[File:FWDJ77 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Comedy]]

Fun with Dick and Jane (1977)

2012-02-03T12:28:00Z

Krispic: /* 12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun */

[[Image:FWDJ.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Fun with Dick and Jane'' (1977)]]

''Fun with Dick and Jane'' is a 1977 comedy starring [[George Segal]] and [[Jane Fonda]] as a middle class couple who after losing their means of income, decide to turn to a life of crime in order to maintain their lifestyle. A [[Fun with Dick and Jane (2005)|remake]] starring [[Jim Carrey]] and [[Téa Leoni]] was released in 2005.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''Fun with Dick and Jane'':'''
__TOC__ 

==Star Model B==
A [[Star Model B]] pistol is the main handgun used by Dick Harper ([[George Segal]]).
[[Image:StarPistolB.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Star Model B Pistol, blued finish - 9mm.]]
[[File:FWDJ77 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A gunman is armed with a sawed off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] when robbing a loan office.
[[File:FWDJ77 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

This one's a good old Stevens 311A. A common gun and a good one. There's a really decent pic somewhere here on the site if anyone wants to edit it. I'm in a bit of a hurry at the moment. -krispic 02-03-2012

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
[[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] revolvers appear to be carried by a gunman as well as the police officers who respond to the robbery of the loan office.
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB (heavy barrel) revolver (Post 1950s Model) - .38 Special. Later incarnations of the Model 10 had a non-tapered heavy barrel, which leads it to be commonly mistaken for a .357 revolver.]]
[[File:FWDJ77 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[File:FWDJ77 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Comedy]]

Talk:The Alien Girl

2012-02-03T11:57:19Z

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=Unknowns=
==Unknown Shotgun==
One of Robo's henchmen carries an unknown shotgun. It's got a pistol grip with an adjustable stock. I'd guess [[Mossberg 500]], but there's something stamped on the left side of the receiver. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:15, 2 February 2012 (CST)
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Is there some sort of official pimp dress code out there?]]
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:As this was partially filmed in the Ukraine, I'm going for a Fort-500, probably a T without the heatshield:
:[[File:Fort-500 T.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Fort-500 T - 12 gauge]]
:The receiver markings are similar and the pistol grip, stock and back of the pump are a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:55, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::That looks right to me. And IMDb lists Prague and the Ukraine as filming locations. Thanks again! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:13, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::No problem, FYI I made a page for the [[Fort-500 shotgun series]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
=Discussion=
==AK==
The front site and the gas tube on this one appears to be an AKMS, not the earlier AKS. --krispic 02-03-2012
[[Image:TAG_AKS_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
Am I totally off on this one? Been a few years since I owned one. Franken-guns, maybe?

Talk:The Alien Girl

2012-02-03T11:55:08Z

Krispic: /* AK */

Talk:The Alien Girl

2012-02-03T11:53:46Z

Krispic: /* AK */

=Unknowns=
==Unknown Shotgun==
One of Robo's henchmen carries an unknown shotgun. It's got a pistol grip with an adjustable stock. I'd guess [[Mossberg 500]], but there's something stamped on the left side of the receiver. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:15, 2 February 2012 (CST)
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Is there some sort of official pimp dress code out there?]]
[[Image:TAG_shotgun_02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:As this was partially filmed in the Ukraine, I'm going for a Fort-500, probably a T without the heatshield:
:[[File:Fort-500 T.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Fort-500 T - 12 gauge]]
:The receiver markings are similar and the pistol grip, stock and back of the pump are a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:55, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::That looks right to me. And IMDb lists Prague and the Ukraine as filming locations. Thanks again! --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:13, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::No problem, FYI I made a page for the [[Fort-500 shotgun series]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:16, 2 February 2012 (CST)
=Discussion=
==AK==
The front site and the gas tube on this one appears to be an AKMS, not the earlier AKS. --krispic 02-03-2012
[[Image:TAG_AKS_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Am I totally off on this one? Been a few years since I owned one.]]

Talk:The Alien Girl

2012-02-03T11:47:10Z

Krispic:

Talk:The Boys in Company C

2012-01-25T13:10:02Z

Krispic:

The "Mossy 500 Cruiser" isn't. The receiver isn't even close. It appears to be a High Standard Flite King. I don't have the time to research it right now. Anyone want to? I'd appreciate it. krispic 01-23-2012
:You're right. It is not a Mossberg. Even though the standard Mossberg 500 came out in 1961, the cruiser did not exist during this time frame. Also you can see that there is a button (safety?) on the front of the trigger guard, which makes it NOT a Mossberg. A High Standard Flite King is a good guess. It looks the closest. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:26, 23 January 2012 (CST)

:: Here's a different shot of the shotgun. It also has a shorter barrel. Please help ID this. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:52, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::High standard flite king with pistol grip. Any better shots of the mag tube? That would clinch it.MPM2008
::::Ben, that's a great grab! You can see the visible shell lifter and extractor, the notched receiver front and back, the eject port wraps around to the top plane of the receiver, the triggerguard shape and crossbolt safety. The barrel lug/mag tube would be too much to hope for, MPM lol I'm convinced it's a Flite King. krispic 01-24-2012
:::::That barrel clamp mag tube attach is a classic K10/K100 Flite King. Great pic, Ben! I'm convinced. If no one is in dissension, could someone readd that to the page? krispic 01-25-2012

[[File:BICC 48.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

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What appears to be a shotgun is carried by Gunnery Sergeant Curry ([[Noble Willingham]]) in the film.
[[File:BICC 19.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
[[File:BICC 29.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

::One more shot:--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:25, 25 January 2012 (CST)
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Talk:The Boys in Company C

2012-01-25T13:09:17Z

Krispic:

The "Mossy 500 Cruiser" isn't. The receiver isn't even close. It appears to be a High Standard Flite King. I don't have the time to research it right now. Anyone want to? I'd appreciate it. krispic 01-23-2012
:You're right. It is not a Mossberg. Even though the standard Mossberg 500 came out in 1961, the cruiser did not exist during this time frame. Also you can see that there is a button (safety?) on the front of the trigger guard, which makes it NOT a Mossberg. A High Standard Flite King is a good guess. It looks the closest. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:26, 23 January 2012 (CST)

:: Here's a different shot of the shotgun. It also has a shorter barrel. Please help ID this. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:52, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::High standard flite king with pistol grip. Any better shots of the mag tube? That would clinch it.MPM2008
::::Ben, that's a great grab! You can see the visible shell lifter and extractor, the notched receiver front and back, the eject port wraps around to the top plane of the receiver, the triggerguard shape and crossbolt safety. The barrel lug/mag tube would be too much to hope for, MPM lol I'm convinced it's a Flite King. krispic 01-24-2012
:::::That barrel clamp mag tube attach is a classic K10/K100 Flite King. Great pic, Ben! I'm convinced. If no one is in dissension, could someone readd that to the page?

[[File:BICC 48.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

(moved from main page)
What appears to be a shotgun is carried by Gunnery Sergeant Curry ([[Noble Willingham]]) in the film.
[[File:BICC 19.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
[[File:BICC 29.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

::One more shot:--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:25, 25 January 2012 (CST)
[[File:BICC 105.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

Talk:The Boys in Company C

2012-01-24T10:42:14Z

Krispic:

The "Mossy 500 Cruiser" isn't. The receiver isn't even close. It appears to be a High Standard Flite King. I don't have the time to research it right now. Anyone want to? I'd appreciate it. krispic 01-23-2012
:You're right. It is not a Mossberg. Even though the standard Mossberg 500 came out in 1961, the cruiser did not exist during this time frame. Also you can see that there is a button (safety?) on the front of the trigger guard, which makes it NOT a Mossberg. A High Standard Flite King is a good guess. It looks the closest. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:26, 23 January 2012 (CST)

:: Here's a different shot of the shotgun. It also has a shorter barrel. Please help ID this. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:52, 23 January 2012 (CST)
:::High standard flite king with pistol grip. Any better shots of the mag tube? That would clinch it.MPM2008
Ben, that's a great grab! You can see the visible shell lifter and extractor, the notched receiver front and back, the eject port wraps around to the top plane of the receiver, the triggerguard shape and crossbolt safety. The barrel lug/mag tube would be too much to hope for, MPM lol I'm convinced it's a Flite King. krispic 01-24-2012

[[File:BICC 48.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

(moved from main page)
What appears to be a shotgun is carried by Gunnery Sergeant Curry ([[Noble Willingham]]) in the film.
[[File:BICC 19.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
[[File:BICC 29.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

Talk:The Boys in Company C

2012-01-24T00:30:08Z

Krispic:

Talk:The Boys in Company C

2012-01-24T00:28:48Z

Krispic: Created page with "The "Mossy 500 Cruiser" isn't. The receiver isn't even close. It appears to be a High Standard Flite King. krispic 01-23-2012"

The "Mossy 500 Cruiser" isn't. The receiver isn't even close. It appears to be a High Standard Flite King. krispic 01-23-2012

Talk:The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

2010-04-11T14:52:40Z

Krispic:

unknown guns:

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

They said in the movie that it was a .22 caliber. Spades of Columbia 4/10/10

You believe what you hear in movies? What they "say in the movies" very seldom bears any resemblance to real life. The firearm used in that scene was a Baby Browning 6.35mm (.25acp). If what you hear in movies is always true, I have *got* to get me one of those Sigourney Weaver pulse rifles! lol krispic 17:24 4/10/10 (sorry for being snide. was meant as humor krispic)

=That is definitely a Baby Browning, you can see a slide release behind the trigger in the picture, the BB has that as well as the somewhat boxy frame. However, what's pictured as the IMFDB gun is an FN 1905. Anyone have a free picture to reflect that? [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:Is it really? I googled Baby Browning and got that image, so I thought it was accurate. I'll look for another lol. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The one that's up now is a correct Baby Browning. Maroon leather background. Great pic, btw. Nice find. A 1905 has a grip safety and a non-full length slide/dust cover. A lot of folks these days discount the old .25acp as being next to garbage, but for a lot of folks for a lot of years, those guns were seen as serious weapons. krispic 09:07 4/11/10

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

:I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.
::Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== I recently ==

watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-[[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== LDA? ==
I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

:One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

::'''''"but armorers can be wrong all the time"'''''? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

[[Image:BDS2-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp]]

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/PCX745Sphoto_big.jpg]
Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was ''one'' of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg
--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: '''The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols.''' The guns are neither double action or high capacity.[[User:Captain America]]

:Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite ''Hawg''?-[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==
I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::FAL with no magazine.

== Crew Cut ==

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

:Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket ==

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

:Just because it was referred to as a .22 doesn't mean they actually used a .22. The script, for example, said the Desert Eagles were supposed to be .50 AE models, but the prop weapons used in the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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Krispic:

unknown guns:

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

They said in the movie that it was a .22 caliber. Spades of Columbia 4/10/10

You believe what you hear in movies? What they "say in the movies" very seldom bears any resemblance to real life. The firearm used in that scene was a Baby Browning 6.35mm (.25acp). If what you hear in movies is always true, I have *got* to get me one of those Sigourney Weaver pulse rifles! lol krispic 17:24 4/10/10 (sorry for being snide. was meant as humor krispic)

=That is definitely a Baby Browning, you can see a slide release behind the trigger in the picture, the BB has that as well as the somewhat boxy frame. However, what's pictured as the IMFDB gun is an FN 1905. Anyone have a free picture to reflect that? [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:Is it really? I googled Baby Browning and got that image, so I thought it was accurate. I'll look for another lol. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
The one that's up now is a correct Baby Browning. Maroon leather background. Great pic, btw. Nice find. A 1905 has a grip safety and a full length slide/dust cover. A lot of folks these days discount the old .25acp as being next to garbage, but for a lot of folks for a lot of years, those guns were seen as serious weapons. krispic 09:07 4/11/10

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

:I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.
::Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== I recently ==

watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-[[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== LDA? ==
I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

:One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

::'''''"but armorers can be wrong all the time"'''''? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

[[Image:BDS2-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp]]

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/PCX745Sphoto_big.jpg]
Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was ''one'' of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg
--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: '''The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols.''' The guns are neither double action or high capacity.[[User:Captain America]]

:Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite ''Hawg''?-[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==
I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::FAL with no magazine.

== Crew Cut ==

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

:Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket ==

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

:Just because it was referred to as a .22 doesn't mean they actually used a .22. The script, for example, said the Desert Eagles were supposed to be .50 AE models, but the prop weapons used in the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

2010-04-10T21:27:48Z

Krispic:

unknown guns:

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

They said in the movie that it was a .22 caliber. Spades of Columbia 4/10/10

You believe what you hear in movies? What they "say in the movies" very seldom bears any resemblance to real life. The firearm used in that scene was a Baby Browning 6.35mm (.25acp). If what you hear in movies is always true, I have *got* to get me one of those Sigourney Weaver pulse rifles! lol krispic 17:24 4/10/10

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

:I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.
::Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== I recently ==

watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-[[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== LDA? ==
I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

:One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

::'''''"but armorers can be wrong all the time"'''''? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

[[Image:BDS2-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp]]

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/PCX745Sphoto_big.jpg]
Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was ''one'' of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg
--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: '''The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols.''' The guns are neither double action or high capacity.[[User:Captain America]]

:Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite ''Hawg''?-[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==
I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::FAL with no magazine.

== Crew Cut ==

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

:Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket ==

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

:Just because it was referred to as a .22 doesn't mean they actually used a .22. The script, for example, said the Desert Eagles were supposed to be .50 AE models, but the prop weapons used in the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day

2010-04-10T14:18:41Z

Krispic:

unknown guns:

The litlle .22 looks like a jennings j-22 and the revolver looks like it may be a ruger redhawk, anyone got a close up of the hammer, that gives away rugers.

-k9870

The little pearl-handled semi-auto is a Baby Browning .25acp. If no one else wants to fix that, I'll do it later this evening. Got to head out shortly. krispic 10:06 4/10/10

For those who haven't seen it yet, the movie's recently-released trailer (which is the source of our page's info) is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if2-PYxgL50

Looks like it'll follow completely in the vein of its predecessor - totally mindless and full of self-inflated importance, but impossible not to enjoy. Only thing that bothers me is that Sean Patrick Flannery has really not aged too well - dude's got an obvious double-chin in the trailer. That, and the fact that I would have preferred to see them using FN Five-Sevens instead of Desert Eagles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Just watched the trailer. Looks great!!!

It does look awesome. Norman Reedus on the other hand doesn't look like he has aged more than a year or too. I hope it will be better than the first, but it won't be the same with out Willem Dafoe -[[User:Mythekal|Mythekal]]

I'm a BIG fan of the original movie (plus I'm a Roman Catholic, have Irish heritage, and was born a fraternal twin, but my twin died during childbirth). We don't only get Sean, Norman, and Billy back, but we get Clifton Collins Jr. as thier dumbass sidekick and Julie Benz as the FBI agent (who looks like an attractive female version of Willem Dafoe). Personally, I think the brothers should use M1911A1 pistols with engraved finishes and white grips that have the Celtic Cross on it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

=I agree. Having them upgrade from Beretta's to M1911's is like chucking a .25 Saturday Night Special for a Les Baer custom-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==Don't underestimate what a 9mm can do. Especially the beretta 92FS. That gun is a refined killer as is the M1911 series. A man's just as dead with a 9mm slug in his brain as three .45 slugs in his chest. I think they should use .455 WEBLEYS! Those guns are fuckin' BEAUTIFUL! Engrave THEM grips! And desert eagles? please. what are they trying to prove? Don't get me wrong. I got irish heritage too and am AMPED to see this movie...but seriously...desert eagles? But yes. engraved finish M1911A1s would kick an intense amount of ass. Especially if they were mag-na-ported like in Face/off.

:I would rather shoot someone once in the chest with a .45 than the 3-5 rounds of 9x19mm it would take. Webleys would be ridiculous though, as I have never even seen any .455 ammo for sale except for ONCE, and it was $80 for 20 rounds-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

The local Cabelas sells 455 Webley in boxes of twenty cartridges made by Hornady for about $40.00. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

:::C'mon man. don't be that way. The .45 would stop a man in his tracks in under three shots though. Everybodys got a gun thats THEIR GUN. Be it a Beretta 92fs or an m1911. The brothers seems pretty effective with them. why should they change? Some men can dot an eye with either gun. proficiency can be much more of a decider in combat than stopping power. A professional with a beretta is much more dangerous than an untrained person with a M1911, and vice versa. I have known those that swear by either gun. It just annoys me that it has become a ritual to scorn the 9X19mm round due to it's supposed lack of lethality. And I doubt you have been shot with either round. If you have I apologize. I suggested Webleys because they are very nice looking guns in my opinion. Note how I said LOOKING. Besides they are using desert eagles with compensators so money seems to be no object to them on their quest for justice, besides they could just reload their empties like everyone else with a webley.
::Please my friend, sign your posts by pressing the sign button on the edit menu.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let me put it this way: I know people who have had to shoot people with 9mm's in self defense. They all told me it took around 3 rounds to make the attacker stop. Also, a Beretta Cougar makes way more sense to me than a 92 due to the fact that the Cougar actually feels like a gun, unlike the Beretta 92 which feels like a toy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
:Who gives a flying fuck if a gun feels like a toy? I actually would like a gun that felt like a toy. That way it wouldn't be heavy. Also, three bullets isn't much. I still prefer .45 ACP, though.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::yeah sorry folks. guess i sorta overreacted 'bout that one. I have found in my experience using a Beretta 92G vertec and a caspian arms M1911 that guns in either caliber can be fine guns. I would be fine using either of the guns I just mentioned in a firefight, or both preferebly. I don't mean like john wooing the guns, I mean like having a spare rod. hell, i'd use a browning HP, or a tokarev, or S&W Model 10, or a 1911, or a H&k U.S.P. .45, or even (god forbid) a glock. A gun's a gun and a kill's a kill. whatever you can kill with, use it. Jeff Cooper swore by his 1911s, just as my father swears by his 586. I knew a man who was mocked for carrying a Star model B when was in the armed forces, but easily shot a man dead in self-defense. .45 = stopping power. 9mm =low recoil. just because a man uses a beretta doesnt mean he likes to spray and pray, maybe he just doesn't like to take the chance he'll be out when he doesnt want to be, just like a man who carries an m1911 isnt necesarily a guy who just wants what's biggest, maybe he just knows what it can do. a man likes what he likes. And I like sammiches and berettas. And webleys. besides they could just use webleys modified to take .45 acp that they can download to usable pressures. Yes folks. I just went back to square one there....still. webley = sexy. well...im sure this argument will go on for eternity....soo continue. And thanks for tellin me about the signature thing. --[[User:ConditionNone|ConditionNone]] 19:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

:There are Webley's in the movie, but they aren't used that much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 05:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think a Beretta feels like a toy, you are either enormously obese or you have never shot/held one.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 23:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:I have held quite few and I am not obese (I'm a big guy, but not enormous), but I do have massive hands, which explains why I think it feels like a toy and why I prefer heavier weapons. For example, I do not think a Ruger Redhawk w/ a scope is that heavy while everyone else I know who have shot it bitch about how heavy it is-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey S&Wshooter, didn't mean to come off as an asshole on that last comment. I had a bad day and was kind of angry.--[[User:ColonelTomb|ColonelTomb]] 00:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

To be fair both the 9mm and 45 ACP are probably the best rounds when using a suppressor. The .45 is naturally a subsonic round while the 147 grain 9mm round lends itself well to use in a suppressed firearm. As for anecdotal evidence on number of rounds there are a good number of stories where a 9mm was as effective as a .45 and there are stories where it took more than one round of .45 to stop an attacker. I happen to like the Beretta 92FS as a firearm and I have never had it jam except after a 1000 round torture test and had a 1911 do the same. Either way with a suppressed Beretta or 1911 the McManus brothers would have had a reliable pistol with which a suppressor would work admirably and would be quite effective. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 04:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

There are two things I would like to point out. First of all, Beretta 92s and their variants are known for being heavier guns, since all of them up until 2003 were completely metal, as opposed to the polymer that is now commonly used in many parts of other guns. Even after '03, they were still most metal, and therefore are still quite heavy, compared to most other commercial guns. The second point I wanted to make is mainly directed at the power of the 9x19mm round, versus the power of the .45 ACP round. Sure, the .45 has plenty of stopping power, but the 9mm isn't a weak round. It may take 3-5 rounds to the chest occasionally, but more important then the stopping power of a bullet is where it hits. The .45 has been recorded to take as many as five hits to the chest to kill, while there are multiple incidents of the nine-mil killing in one shot straight through the heart. Sure, stopping power is important, but becomes fairly irrelevant if you're not trying to keep the target alive, and if you actually know how to aim. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== I recently ==

watched the trailer and there's a scene where Billy Connely and a thug face off and the thug is holding a revolver (Ruger Blackhawk maybe?)-[[User:Shooter|Shooter]]

I think they were webley's

Just saw the movie, and those are definitely Webleys. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Why is the Glock 30 or I guess possibly the 26/27 not on the gun page? II Duke has one on his left hand shoulder when he has his six guns strapped to him.

Not to mention the Para Nite Tac (according to movie armorer), S&W 686 & 629.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== LDA? ==
I honestly don't think Romeo is using LDAs as evident by the full triggers. They still may be Para-Ordnance, and I really like the Italian flag grips though. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

:One of the armorers who worked on the movie told me that they were LDAs. I wouldn't have written it otherwise. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

:Wasn't he flag on the grips the Mexican flag, not the Italian one?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

1. Not trying to be a prick here, but armorers can be wrong all the time. Look at Hitman, or in the 1st Boondock Saints movie where the 92FS's transforms to PT92's. Either way I am by no means an expert, if he's a professional movie armorer than who am I to contradict him.

::'''''"but armorers can be wrong all the time"'''''? hahahaha. Yes, they can be wrong ALL the time, but if they were, they wouldn't get much work now, would they? LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

2. I liked the grips eitherway. -[[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]]

Just as a quick note to anyone looking, these dont look like LDAs, they have the standard 1911 style SA skeleton trigger, I'm not sure if that trigger can be used in a double action pistol. Therefore My vote is that these are Para p-18s, especially since it's the same trigger used on the P-18s -Deadlysyn

[[Image:BDS2-9.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Romeo ([[Clifton Collins, Jr.]]) racks the slide of his custom 45 - note that the words "El Jefe" are engraved in the slide - .45 acp]]

Yeah they have SA triggers. Maybe they were converted to SA? Is that possible? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the armorer meant Agent Bloom's weapon was the LDA. Just watched special features and that's what I heard him say. - JanG

[http://www.para-usa.com/new/images/product_large/PCX745Sphoto_big.jpg]
Closest Para I could find, based on serration angle and spacing, and the sights. Only problem, the LTC is a commander length and the ones Romeo uses look like government length. Another possibility is the PXT or the gun rights special edition. Kinda cool to use a gun rights pistol in a movie where fire fights are the appeal. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 08:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

::Did the armorer (whichever one is interviewed for the special features) mention if Romeo's guns were P14s or LDAs? Al Vrkljan, who was ''one'' of the armorers who worked on the movie, specifically told me LDA, but he may have mis-remembered. I'm guessing that Charles Taylor (the other of the two armorers, and Al's boss) is the guy they interviewed for the special features, and he might have said something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

According to Taylor, Romeo's pistols are custom made for the character. They kinda looked like Para PXTs to me, but without the front serrations like the special series. Also, when the armorer showed Agent Bloom's handgun 6.45 can be seen clearly on the side. Here's one that looks like it...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/5Wire/Firearms/645R.jpg
--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Do they ever mention on the DVD special features the guns that Noah Macmanus uses in the finale? I can't tell what model that subcompact Para is (could be a P-10 but I'm not sure; confirmation would help.)

Would whoever is identifying Romeo's pistols please make note: '''The pistols in the movie CLEARLY do not have flared grip frames meaning they CANNOT be double stack pistols.''' The guns are neither double action or high capacity.[[User:Captain America]]

:Maybe its this gun: http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=62 -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Noah's compact 1911 is a Para Nite Tac. As for Romeo's pistols, I had mentioned they looked like PXT Special series but with different fron sights. Maybe they're made up of several different parts put together. In any case, I agree with Captain... single stack, single action 1911s. --[[User:Jan|Jan]] 17:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:PANiteTac.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
As you can see, the Para Nite Tac is a full sized pistol so that can't be the Para that Noah uses. Do you mean a Nite ''Hawg''?-[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==
I just saw the movie myself and am pretty sure those were not FN Fals in the armourer's cage but some type of assault shotgun with a side folding stock. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::FAL with no magazine.

== Crew Cut ==

The hitman adversary is listed as using H&K USPs, but according to the armorer in special features, he uses Sig P226s. Also in the bar shootout where he takes the bartender hostage, you can clearly see that is is a Sig. - Jan

:Did the armorer say whether Crew Cut used the P226R in the church scene, or only the bar shootout, or both? He definitely uses the P226R in the bar, but I wasn't able to tell what the suppressed pistols were. I'm getting the Blu Ray of this movie pretty soon (I ordered it from Amazon), so hopefully I'll be able to tell once I get it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

They looked like 226s in the church scene, especially when crew cut laid down next to the priest.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Watched special features again and according to the movie armorer (Charles Taylor) crew cut uses 2 sig 226s.--[[User:Jan|Jan]] 07:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket ==

Comparing the side view of both the Colt and the gun in the movie, it doesn't look quite like a 1908. Look for closely at the trigger [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Perhaps you are right. Any thoughts on what it might be, though? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Jennings J-22? it looks like one, and was specifically referred to as a .22.

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