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Fallout: New Vegas

2011-07-17T23:27:56Z

Kilgore: /* Colt Commander* */ Added rest of the Bilbe quote

[[Image:NEWVEGAS-COVER.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Fallut: New Vegas'' (2010)]]
''Fallout: New Vegas'' is the fifth the installment in the long-running ''Fallout'' series. The game takes place in the post-apocalyptic Nevada. It was developed by Obsidion Entertainment (''[[Alpha Protocol]]'') and published by Bethesta in 2010. The game is available for the PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. [[Ron Perlman]], [[Danny Trejo]], [[Kris Kristofferson]] and Matthew Perry can be found among the voice actors of the game.

''Fallout: New Vegas'' has a very in-depth ammunition system. The player can reload ammo, and there are many variants of each ammunition type. For a list, see the [[Talk:Fallout: New Vegas|discussion page]].

(*) is a DLC only indicator.

'''The following weapons are seen in the video game ''Fallout: New Vegas'':'''
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==Handguns==

===Browning Hi-Power===

The [[Browning Hi-Power]] appears as "9mm Pistol". It can be modified with an extended magazine and a scope. A unique version called "Maria", decorated with a Virgin Mary grip and nickel-plated, is carried by Benny (Voice of Matthew Perry) and can be taken by the player if they kill him before he reaches Caesar's camp.
[[Image:Browning HP West German Police.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:HP_with_scope_and_extended_mag.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The Hi-Power with a scope and an extended magazine]]
[[Image:FalloutNV_2010-10-25_12-15-24-46.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Browning HP idle.]]
[[Image:FalloutNV_2010-10-25_12-15-28-79.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Browning HP iron-sights.]]
[[Image:Ivorypistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Player aiming the "Maria" in-game.]]
[[Image:FONV Saint Mary's Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The unique "Maria" variant.]]

===Colt Single Action Army===

The [[Colt Single Action Army]] Appears as ".357 Revolver". It is chambered in .357 Magnum (so it could be the almost identical externally Ruger Blackhawk). Can be modified with a "Cavalry" barrel that increases the damage by +3 and an engraved cylinder which increases its condition by +50%.

A unique version called "Lucky" can be found in the Bison Steve casino in a safe in Primm.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 5.5" barrel - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model, .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:830px-357MagnumRevolver.png|thumb|none|400px|]]

===Smith & Wesson Model 29===
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] returns from [[Fallout 3]], now simply referred to as the ".44 Magnum Revolver". It can be modified with a heavy frame that increases its durability and a scope. A unique nickel-plated and engraved version can be found, called the 'Mysterious Magnum'.

[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:SmithandwessonM29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 with nickel finish - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:830px-MysteriousMagnum.png|thumb|none|500px|The Courier using the Mysterious Magnum variant.]]
[[Image:44_revolver_heavy_frame_scope.png|thumb|none|600px|A fully modified 44. Magnum with scope and heavy frame. Note the speed loader for some reason still attached to the rear of the cylinder, clipping through the frame. This is a modeling mistake with the 3rd person model, it can be also witnessed in [[Fallout 3]].]]

===SIG-Sauer 12.7mm Pistol===
Based on the SIG-Sauer 14mm Pistol from [[Fallout]] and [[Fallout 2]] except in 12.7mm (presumably the Fallout version of .50 AE or .50 GI), one of the rarest ammo types in the game, it can be modified with a silencer.
[[Image:664px-FNV_12,7mm_Pistol.png|thumb|none|600px]]

===N99 10mm Pistol===
The 10mm Pistol returns from [[Fallout 3]]. A laser sight, silencer, and extended magazine can be added to the gun.
[[Image:MKIRight.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum. What the N99 is based on.]]
[[Image:830px-Weathered10mmPistol.png|thumb|none|500px|The Weathered 10mm Pistol Variant.]]
[[Image:FalloutNV_2010-10-25_11-52-19-44.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FPS view of Weathered 10mm Pistol.]]
[[Image:FalloutNV_2010-10-25_11-54-16-90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clearly a model that was simply ported without being redesigned for New Vegas' iron-sight feature. The tall peak is the front sight.]]
[[Image:830px-10mmpistolFull.png|thumb|none|600px|A N99 10mm Pistol with all mods.]]

===LAPD 2019 'Blaster'===
The pistol from [[Blade Runner]] makes a return to the Fallout series. Called "That Gun" in-game, in reference to "That Gun from the Fallout 1 and 2", the .223 pistol. Like its predecessor, it chambers 5.56x45mm NATO.

[[Image:HERO1.jpg|350px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:830px-FNVThatGun.png|thumb|none|500px|Note that the gun only has one trigger instead of two.]]

[[Image:223pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"That Gun" in first person view.]]

===Ruger 22/45===
The Ruger 22/45 appears as the "Silenced .22 Pistol", The Silenced .22 is suppressed, and will not alert enemies (who have not been shot) of your presence. It will not dismember on hit, and does less damage to limbs. Also, it is one of the two guns player can bring into casinos, the other being a Hi-Power if the player's sneak skill is not high enough to bring in larger weapons.

[[Image:22-45-SS big.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger 22/45 pistol - .22 LR.]]

[[Image:830px-Silenced22Pistol.png|thumb|none|400px]]

===Colt New Service'''*'''===
The [[Colt New Service]] appears in the first New Vegas DLC ''Dead Money'' as the "Police Pistol". It uses .357 rounds. It is fired exclusively in single action, despite the New Service being a double action revolver.
[[File:Colt New Service.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt New Service]]
[[File:New vegas police pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Police Pistol"]]

===Hunting Revolver===
The Hunting Revolver is the [[Magnum Research BFR]] (Big Frame Revolver) Chambered in .45-70 Govt'.

[[File:BFR 45-70 1.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Magnum Research BFR .45-70 Govt']]
[[File:20101124025745!HuntingRevolver.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Hunting Revolver with Scope]]
[[File:RangerSequoia.jpg|500px|thumb|none|'Ranger Sequoia' the unique version of the BFR]]

===Colt M1911A1*===
The [[M1911A1]] in the Honest Hearts DLC is called the ".45 Auto Pistol" and has two mods for it which are the .45 AP HD slide which improves the weapons durability and a silencer which obviously decreases the noise of the gun but depletes the damage. It has a ammo capacity of 7 Rounds. The 1911 pistols that appear are described by Graham as "Based off of a 400-year-old design by a New Canaanite", a reference to John Moses Browning's faith as a Mormon. This weapon is used extensively by the "Dead Horse" First Nations tribe that Graham leads.

[[File:M1911Colt.jpg|400px|thumb|none]]

[[File:Honest-Heartsburing1.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Joshua Graham (The Burned Man) inspect his Colt M1911A1. There are quite a few more M1911 pistols on the table.]]

===Colt Commander*===
Joshua Graham from the "Honest Hearts" DLC carries a unique M1911 variant of his own. In this case, it's a modified [[Colt Commander|Commander]] with a custom grip cover, a guttersnipe sight, and some greek script etched along the side. The script (καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει on the right side and και η σκοτια αυτο ου κατελαβεν on the left side) is a quote from the Bible (John 1:5) ''"And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not."'' If this is indeed a Commander, it would be the pistol's first appearance in a video game.

The ingame version has a skeletonized 'combat' hammer and trigger, guttersnipe-type sights and inexplicably holds six rounds in it's magazine, despite having the same grip length as a regular M1911 pistol.

[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Commander - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:FNV_ColtCommander.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The Courier ejects a magazine from "A Light Shining in Darkness".]]

==Assault Rifles==

===Colt Model 733===

The [[M16#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 733]] appears as "Assault Carbine" with a 20-round magazine. It can be upgraded to hold 30 rounds. A suppressor can be found in the game files, but it is not used in the game.

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:MilitalyassaultrifleFallout.PNG|thumb|none|500px|The Assault Carbine in game.]]
[[Image:830px-FNVAssaultCarbine.png|thumb|none|600px|An Assault Carbine with no mods.]]
[[Image:830px-FNVAssaultCarbine_extended_mag.png|thumb|none|600px|An Assault Carbine with all mods.]]

=== Colt Model 933 ===

There are 2 variants of this rifle in the game, but basically they both look like the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Model 933|Colt Model 933]] with SIRS rails and a PRS stock. They both have a low-power ACOG-style scope. The unique variant is painted with woodland camouflage. The standard variant is called the Marksman Carbine and the unique is called the ''All American''. Like the Service Rifle, both these rifles lack the charging handle on the rear, which is located on the moving bolt on the right side where the brass ejects instead. The All American is found only in the armory at the bottom of the irradiated-ghoul infested Vault 34 located east of New Vegas.

[[Image:colt m933 03.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 933 carbine with M68 Aimpoint scope and Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip. This one is also fitted with a M468 SIR style handguard 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MarksmanrifleFONV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:MarksmanrifleAAFONV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:MarksmanrifleAAFPSFONV.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===AR-15===

An [[AR-15]] is seen being wielded by NCR soldiers, called "Service Rifle" in-game. It has a wooden stock similar to the AR-10 however it is patterned after the M-16A1 Vietnam era triangular hand guard. It is chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO and is semi-auto. The upper receiver has forward assist and a case deflector. Like all of the other M16 derivatives in this game, the Service Rifle's charging handle is located on the side of the receiver, between the forward assist and the ejector port. Can be modified with a forged reciever that increases it's durability and upgraded springs that increase its fire rate. An aperture sight and bayonet are included in the files, but not implemented.

In the Honest Hearts DLC, a unique Service Rifle called the Survivalists Rifle is featured used previously by an Ex-US Army Serviceman before it can be found and used by the player. In-game lore dictates the weapon as a ''"U.S. Checkpoint Guard Carbine built around the 12.7mm caliber, to offer guards firepower necessary to intercept anyone attempting to breach a checkpoint, regardless of equipment".'' It is likely based off the AR-15 .50 Beowulf Upper receiver that was previously tested for use to stop enemy vehicles by US Serviceman at Vehicle Checkpoints. It features a blocky heat shield somewhat reminiscent of the M16 LSW/LMG, but has numerous makeshift repairs along the body work. The words ''Arret'', French for ''Stop'' is scrawled onto the stock of the weapon.

[[Image:Ar10-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eugene Stoner [[AR-10]] prototype 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[M16A1]] with Vietnam Era hand guards.]]
[[Image:FNV_Service_Rifle_All_Receiver.png|thumb|none|600px|A service rifle model with all the mods, excluding cut content.]]
[[Image:FNV_Service_Rifle_All.png|thumb|none|600px| A service rifle model with all the mods, including cut content.]]
[[Image:830px-85767315.png|600px|thumb|none|A player using the Service Rifle.]]
[[Image:Arretriflefiring.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A Player using the unique Service Rifle, the Survivalists' Rifle, featured in the Honest Hearts DLC.]]

==Submachine guns==

===10mm SMG===

The 10mm SMG from [[Fallout 3]] is found on many mid level humanoid mobs such as Jackal gang member and members of the Kings. It can also be found as level adjusted loot in gun lockers once you're at a high enough level.
All though the in game description for the 10mm SMG lists a high DPS it shares the common weakness of most shot guns and automatic weapons in Fallout New Vegas in that much of its theoretical power is negated by the new Damage Threshold system. In addition to losing much of its damage, the high spread of this weapon requires you to be at close ranges for all of the rounds fired to impact on the target.

Keeping these limitations in mind, it can be highly effective in certain situations. It can be an ideal sneak attack weapon if you have a high enough Sneak skill to get in to point blank range. Coupled with the Run 'n Gun perk you can "kite" melee enemies by backing away just out of their reach. Against ranged attackers you can fire a shot, duck around a corner or behind cover then ambush them at point blank range as they run up to you.

[[Image:719px-10MMSMG.png|thumb|none|500px]]

===M3 "Grease Gun"===

An [[M3 Grease Gun]] appears in the game, scaled down so it can be held one-handed, and re-chambered for 9x19mm. Called the "9mm SMG" in-game. It can be modified with a SMG Drum that increases the capacity by 30 rounds and a Light Bolt that increases the rate of fire.

[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP. The later model M3A1 would eliminate the crank lever for cocking the bolt, and instead used a simple hole in the bolt for the shooter to use their finger.]]
[[Image:830px-9mmsmg.png.png|thumb|none|550px|"9mm SMG"]]

===American-180===

A .22-caliber SMG with a pan magazine and integral suppressor, but the stock is removed. The [[American-180]] can be upgraded with a larger drum magazine that increases capacity by 60 rounds.

[[Image:78132610.x5R82Yxu.jpg|thumb|500px|none|American-180.]]
[[Image:830px-Silenced22SMG%20(1).png.png|600px|thumb|none|]]

===Thompson Sub-Machine Guns===

Two variants of the Thompson SMG series appear in game, one as an energy weapon, the other as a conventional slug-thrower.

====M1928 Thompson====

An [[M1928 Thompson]] modified to be an energy weapon appears as the ''Laser RCW''. It also resembles the Tommy Gun-esque laser guns from the TV show ''Futurama'', as evidenced by the three glowing green rings at the end of the barrel.
It holds 60 Electron Charge Packs in a drum and can be modified with a Recycler attachment, which replenishes 1 shot per 4 fired.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 "Tommy Gun" - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies.]]
[[Image:FalloutNVLaserRCW.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

====Thompson M1A1 Submachine gun*====

The M1A1 Thompson appears as the ''.45 Auto SMG'', introduced in the "Honest Hearts" DLC. It can be modified with a new magazine well to accept the M1921/M1928 50-round drum magazines, as well as a Cutts compensator to reduce spread under sustained fire.

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine .45 ACP]]

==Shotguns==

===Remington 870 Express===
The [[Remington 870]] (with the magazine tube cap of a Winchester) appears as the ''Hunting Shotgun''. It starts off with a capacity of 5 shots, but it is possible to upgrade the capacity to 8 with an upgrade. The shotgun can also be upgraded with a shotgun choke that decreases the spread of each shot.
[[Image:REM870exp_combo.jpeg|500px|thumb|none]]
[[Image:830px-HuntingShotgun%20(1).png.png|thumb|600px|none|The Hunting Shotgun.]]

===Over-and-Under Shotgun===
A 20-Gauge double-barrel shotgun called the "Caravan Shotgun" appears in game; if you pre-ordered the 'Caravan Pack' version of New Vegas, you could get a 'Sturdy' Caravan Shotgun which is more resistant to wear-and-tear. The gun itself appears to be an 'over-and-under' style; visually, it bears resemblance to a Winchester Model 101, though the Model 101 is chambered for 12-Gauge shells, not 20.

[[Image:U_Shottie_New_Vegas.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The over and under being used by a caravan guard]]

===Riot Shotgun (Fictional Semi-Auto Shotgun)===

A fictional drum-magazine fed shotgun appears as the ''Riot Shotgun''.
[[Image:830px-RiotShotgun%20(1).png.png|thumb|none|600px]]

===Winchester 1887===
It differs from the real life model and it's fed with 20-gauge shells. The animation for ejecting shells are poorly done that it appears to be coming from the gun itself and not really the bottom.

[[Image:450px-M1887_Airsoft.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Winchester Model 1887]] airsoft replica.]]
[[Image:830px-ScreenShot37png.png.png|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1887 in the game, Note that it is modeled after the one from [[Terminator 2]].]]

===New England Pardner===
The [[New England Firearms Pardner]] is used by the Powder Gang and lower level enemies. Called "Single Shotgun" in game.
[[Image:NewEnglandpardner.jpg|thumb|none|400px|New England Pardner shotgun in 20ga]]
[[Image:830px-ScreenShot34png.png|600px|thumb|none|]]

==Rifles==

===PGM Ultima Ratio 'Hecate II'===
The [[PGM Ultima Ratio 'Hecate II']] appears in Fallout: New Vegas as the .50 caliber "Anti-Materiel Rifle". It's the only rifle in the game to use the .50 BMG round.
[[Image:PGMHecateII.jpg|600px|thumb|none|PGM Ultima Ratio 'Hecate II' - .50 BMG]]
[[File:FNVultimaratio.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Veteran Ranger fires the PGM Ultima Ratio in the intro.]]
[[Image:Anti-material_rifle.png|thumb|none|600px|The Anti-Material Rifle.]]

===Varmint Rifle===

Bolt action rifle chambered in 5.56; holds 5 rounds. It can be upgraded with extended magazines that increase capacity by 3, a night vision scope and a suppressor.

[[Image:VarmintRiflePose.png|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:830px-Varmintrifle.png|thumb|none|600px]]

===M1 Garand===

[[M1 Garand]] was supposed to appear in Fallout: New Vegas Called the Semi-Automatic Rifle, but it was taken out in the final product. However there is a special rifle variant called ''This Machine'' (as in Woody Gunthrie's 'This Machine Kills Fascists') that is still in the game.

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[Image:Newvegasgarand.PNG|thumb|none|600px|M1 Garand in-game.]]
[[Image:garand_New_Vegas.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:830px-ThisMachineFNV.png|600px|thumb|none|This Machine variant.]]

===Winchester 1886===

The [[Winchester 1886]] appears as the Cowboy Repeater, it takes 357. Magnum ammunition and it can take down light armoured enemies from a distance. There is a special variant, called the La Longue Carabine fitted with a scope, engraved stock and Octagon Barrel, but it reloads like the [[Henry 1860]] in [[Fallout 3]] (which is done by opening the muzzle-end of the mag tube and then inserting rounds in) as the La Longue's model lacks the 1886's loading port on the receiver.

[[Image:Winchester1886.gif|thumb|550px|none|Winchester 1886- 45-70 Govt]]
[[Image:800px-CowboyRepeaterStandard.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The standard rifle in-game.]]
[[Image:CowboyRepeaterMapleBrassLong.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the rifle is fully modified, it has a brass plating, a maplewood finish, and the extended feeder tube.]]
[[Image:CowboyRepeatersAll.jpg|thumb|600px|none|All variations of the Winchester 1886]]
[[Image:830px-La_Longue_Carabine.png|thumb|600px|none|The La Longue Carabine.]]

===Marlin Model 336===
The [[Marlin Model 336]] appears in game as the "Trail Rifle", firing .44 Magnum. It can only be modified with a scope.

[[Image:MarlinModel336A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Marlin 336A Carbine - .30-30 Carbine]]
[[Image:830px-TrailCarbine.png|thumb|none|600px|The in-game model of the Trail Carbine.]]

===Hunting Rifle===

The Hunting Rifle makes a comeback in Fallout: New Vegas, but the rifle now has proper iron sights and chambers .308 sniper rifle rounds. Most likely based off the Winchester Model 70. It can be modified with a Custom Action that increases the rate of fire, an extended Magazine which increases capacity by 5 rounds and a long range scope.

[[Image:Pre64WinModel70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]
[[Image:830px-HuntingRifleAllMods.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This is the Hunting Rifle when fully modified.]]

===Brush Gun===
The rifle of the New California Republic (NCR) veteran ranger, the Brush Gun is a lever action rifle firing .45-70 Gov't ammunition. According to the 3D modeler at Bethesda, "The Brush Gun is not based on one gun specifically, but guns like the Winchester 1886 and Marlin Guide Gun."

[[Image:Marlin Model 1895.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marlin Model 1895 - .45-70]]

==Machine Guns==

===FN Minimi===
What appears to be an [[FN Minimi]] with wooden M60 style hand guards and wooden pistol grip. It seems it has some kind of magazine instead of an side-inserted belt. It can be modified with a Light MG expanded drum that increases capacity from 90 rounds to 200 rounds. Fires the standard 5.56 in the game.

[[Image:M249Minimi1stPattern.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:830px-LMGG.png|600px|thumb|none]]

===FN Model D'''*'''===

The FN Model D* Appears in the first DLC for New Vegas, ''Dead Money'' as the "Automatic Rifle", firing .308 rounds.
[[Image:FNBARtypeD8mm.jpg|500px|thumb|none]]

==Explosives==

===M79 Grenade Launcher===
The [[M79 Grenade Launcher]] is called the "Grenade Rifle", with a unique version called "Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle" available as a pre-order bonus. Regular version can be upgraded with a longer barrel for longer range, There is also another special variant called "Thump-Thump" found in Nellis Array next to a skeleton on the bottom floor.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:M79_New_Vegas.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Mercenary equipped with an M79]]
[[Image:M79_New_Vegas2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:M79_New_Vegas3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[Image:830px-GrenadeRifleUniqueFNV.png|thumb|none|600px|"Thump-Thump", note the beaver holding a [[M1 Garand]].]]

===China Lake Launcher===
The [[China Lake Launcher]] is called the "Grenade Launcher" ingame. It uses standard 40mm shells, and can be bought at Gun Runners and found on most Boomers at higher levels.

A modified one called "Holo-Rifle" Appears with in the Dead Money DLC with a futuristic scope
[[Image:US M79 pump-action four-shot 40x46mm grenade launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ultimate M79 Grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:830px-Grenade_rifle.png|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Unforgiven (1992)

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Kilgore: /* W. Richards 10 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun */ Please stop saying a mock-up Henry is a "Winchester Transition" rifle. If you have something you need to say, please go to the talk page.

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[Unforgiven]]'':'''
[[Image:003 UNFORGIARP~Unforgiven-Posters.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Unforgiven (1992)'']]

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'''WARNING: Spoilers Ahead'''
==Pistols==
===Colt 1860 Army===
At the beginning of the film when Quick Mike ([[David Mucci]]) cuts up Delilah Fitzgerald ([[Anna Levine]]), Skinny Dubois ([[Anthony James]]) holds a [[Colt 1860 Army]] to his head in order to stop his assault.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1860 Army - .44 Caliber.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColtArmy-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Skinny holds his Colt 1860 Army to Quick Mike's head.]]

===Colt Walker===
[[Image:1847ColtWalker.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Walker 1847 .44 caliber.]]

Though not seen in the film, the [[Colt Walker]] is mentioned when Little Bill ([[Gene Hackman]]) tells Beauchamp ([[Saul Rubinek]]) the true story of a famous gunfight between English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]) and a cowboy named Corky "Two-Gun" Corcoran. Bob missed twice, because he was drunk, while Corky hastily fired one round and shot his own toe off, then aimed his second shot carefully, but his Colt Walker "blew up in his hand, which was a failing common to that model."

Little Bill also jokingly mentions that Corky was nicknamed "Two-Gun" Corcoran not because he carried two pistols, but because his penis was longer than his Colt Walker's barrel.

===Remington 1875===
Clyde Ledbetter ([[Ron White]]) uses a [[Remington 1875]] to threaten English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]).
[[Image:Rem1875.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 1875 - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenRem75-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clyde Ledbetter ([[Ron White]]) with his Remington 1875.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenRem75-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clyde points his Remington 1875 at English Bob.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenRem75-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clyde cocks the hammer on his Remington 1875 when Beauchamp reaches in his bag.]]

===Single Action Army===
Several characters in the film are seen using [[Single Action Army]] revolvers, including Sheriff Bill Daggett ([[Gene Hackman]]) and English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]). In one of the more notable scenes, Little Bill gives Bob's biographer, W.W. Beauchamp ([[Saul Rubinek]]) , a loaded Peacemaker and claims all he has to do is shoot him and he can bust Bob out of jail. Both afraid and inexperienced, Beauchamp decides to give the gun to Bob instead. Bob declines, which proves to be a smart choice because Bill had the gun loaded with the next chamber empty.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army 5 1/2" barrel Artillery model - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army 7 1/2" barrel Cavalry model - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]) drops the empty shells out of his nickel plated Artillery SAA after shooting pheasants in mid-flight.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dep. Andy notices Bob's SAA in his holster, despite the fact that Bob said he was unarmed.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Little Bill ([[Gene Hackman]]) tosses an Artillery SAA on the desk in front of Beauchamp([[Saul Rubinek]]).]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Beauchamp([[Saul Rubinek]]) points the SAA at Little Bill ([[Gene Hackman]]), completely clueless on how to hold a gun.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Instead, he offers the gun to Bob ([[Richard Harris]]), who declines.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Little Bill ([[Gene Hackman]]) gives Bob back his SAA, the barrel bent beyond use.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clyde Ledbetter points his Cavalry SAA at Will in the bar.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fatty with a Cavalry SAA.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fatty cocks the hammer on his SAA.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the men with Davey with a nickel plated Cavalry SAA.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fatty rushes outside with a Cavalry SAA in hand as The Kid shoots Quick Mike.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Little Bill tries to shoot Will with his SAA but misses when Will ducks. Note blank flame.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clyde tries to fire his SAA at Will before being shot.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSAA-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The wounded Bill tries to ready his SAA before Will stops him.]]

===Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3===
The Schofield Kid ([[Jaimz Woolvett]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Schofield]] Model 3 throughout the film. After he kills Quick Mike ([[David Mucci]]), he gives the gun to Will, claiming he doesn't want to kill anyone else. Will then uses it when he takes on all the deputies in the whorehouse at the film's end.
[[Image:S&WSchofieldleft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Schofield - .45 Schofield.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid shows off his Smith & Wesson Schofield Model 3 revolver to Will.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid points his Schofield at Ned when he says he's poor sighted.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on The Kid's Schofield. Notice that it isn't cocked.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid sneaks over to the outhouse Quick Mike is using.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid kills Quick Mike in the outhouse.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid gives Will his Schofield.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will shoots Clyde with the Schofield. Note how the flash comes out of both the muzzle and the cylinder gap.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will shoots Dep. Andy with the Schofield.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenS&WSchofield-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will holds his Schofield on Beauchamp.]]

===Starr 1858 Army===
William Munny ([[Clint Eastwood]]) takes out a [[Starr 1858 Army]] percussion revolver from its case where it had been stored away for many years when joining The Kid on his manhunt. He tries to shoot a can on a wooden post for target practice, only to find that his aim was lost with his age. [[Image:Starr.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Starr 1858 Army - .44 Caliber.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStarr1858-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will takes his Starr 1858 Army out from storage.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStarr1858-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will fires his Starr 1858 at a can. Here he shows the unique self-cocking trigger and uses it the proper way when target shooting. Slow and steady. A quick trigger pull leads to a missed shot.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStarr1858-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on Will's Starr 1858.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStarr1858-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will becomes shocked to learn he's lost his ability to shoot.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStarr1858-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bill takes Will's Starr 1858 out after he orders him to surrender his firearm.]]

===Webley Bulldog===
English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]) keeps a [[Webley Bulldog]] in a shoulder holster as a backup gun for self defense. Little Bill ([[Gene Hackman]]) forces Bob to surrender this pistol before beating him for talking about the Queen on Independence Day.
[[Image:WebleyBulldog.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Webley Bulldog - .32 caliber.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenBulldog.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Little Bill takes a Webley Bulldog from English Bob.]]

==Rifles==
===Spencer 1860 Saddle Ring Carbine===
Ned Logan ([[Morgan Freeman]]) uses a [[Spencer 1860 Carbine]] as his weapon in the film, and claims he has and still can shoot a flying bird in the eye. He later gives it to William Munny ([[Clint Eastwood]]) to shoot one of the outlaws when he can't. After Ned is killed by Sheriff Bill Daggett ([[Gene Hackman]]), Will grabs the rifle and uses it to finish off Little Bill.
[[Image:Spencer 1860 Carbine.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Spencer 1860 Carbine - .56-56 RF.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned keeps his Spencer 1860 Carbine hung on his door-frame.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the saddle ring.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned aims down his Spencer rifle.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will takes Ned's rifle to shoot at Davey Bunting ([[Rob Campbell]]).]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will fires the Spencer rifle at Davey.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will gives Ned back his Spencer rifle when Ned decides to go home.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Little Bill examines Ned's Spencer rifle after his men capture him on his way home.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After dispatching everyone in the whorehouse, Will takes the Spencer rifle and pulls the magazine tube out of the butt to reload.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will finishes off Little Bill with the Spencer rifle.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Will walks out of the whorehouse, he shoots Clyde, the last man still alive. This looks like a full powered blank so the actor must have been wearing some type of protective clothing.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenSpencer1860-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will warns the people outside that if they shoot, he'll kill everyone they love and then them.]]

===Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" (mocked up as Henry 1860)===
Dep. Andy Russell ([[Jeremy Ratchford]]) is seen using a [[Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"]] with the forend removed to resemble a [[Henry 1860]] rifle to point at English Bob ([[Richard Harris]]) when he first enters the town and does not surrender his firearms.
[[Image:Yellowboy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" - .44 RF.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dep. Andy works the lever on his mocked up Winchester 1866 Yellow Boy. Note how in the gun case, a regular '66 rifle is seen.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy with his mock Yellow Boy.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy furthest right points his mock Yellow Boy at English Bob.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy points his mock Yellow Boy at English Bob. Note the lack of a spring follower and the slit it follows in the magazine tube. Also note the lack of a break open barrel. These are signs revealing the gun is not a Henry.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Andy chambers his mock Yellow Boy when Beauchamp reaches in his bag.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin66mock-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the loading gate, another feature not on a genuine Henry.]]
It is not a mocked up Yellowboy, it is a Winchester Transition model.
The 1866 Winchester Transition Model is made by Uberti for Taylors Firearms. This rifle is also used in the movie Silverado. In Siverado, Danny Glover erroneously refers to his rifle as a Henry while Glover's father in the movie actually uses a 1860 Henry (also sold by Taylors) with engraved receiver.

===Winchester 1892===
Despite how anachronistic it is (since the film takes place in 1881), several deputies are seen armed with [[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892]] rifle. The Schofield Kid ([[Jaimz Woolvett]]) is also seen with a '92 rifle and uses it to shoot at Will and Ned before they reveal who they are. Due to his poor eyesight, the kid fires the gun all over the place and Ned asks to check the rifle to see if it is bent.
[[Image:Winchester1892.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1892 - .44-40 WCF.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charley Hecker ([[John Pyper-Ferguson]]) examines a Winchester 1892 rifle in the sheriff's office.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fatty Rossiter ([[Jefferson Mappin]]) points his Winchester 1892 at English Bob.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Fatty with a '92 rifle.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid fires his '92 rifle at Will and Ned.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid squints his eyes, unable to see out in the field.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenWin92-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Get your damn hands off my rifle mister."'' When Ned tries to inspect The Kid's rifle, he puts his hand on his Schofield.]]

==Shotguns==
===J. Stevens & Company 1878===
Charley Hecker ([[John Pyper-Ferguson]]) uses a [[Double Barreled Shotgun|J. Stevens & Company 1878]] shotgun throughout the film.
[[Image:Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|J. Stevens & Company 1878 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecker prepares his shotgun.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecker points his shotgun at English Bob.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecker points his shotgun at Bob.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecker readies his shotgun as he walks up to Will in the bar.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hecker points his shotgun at Will.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenStevens78-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|At the end of the film, Hecker is seen aiming his shotgun at Will as he leaves the bar, too afraid to shoot at him.]]

===W. Richards 10 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun===
William Munny uses a [[Double Barreled Shotgun|10 Gauge Double Barreled]] shotgun with most of the finish worn off as his long arm in the film. He most notably uses it at the end to shoot Skinny Dubois ([[Anthony James]]) in his saloon for displaying Ned's dead body outside. He attempts to shoot Little Bill with the gun, but it misfires, likely from getting wet in the rain, so he throws it at Bill, giving him enough time to draw his Schofield.
[[Image:W.Richards 10GA.jpg|thumb|none|400px|W. Richards - 10 Gauge. This was the actual shotgun used on the film.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After Will realizes he can't shoot with a pistol anymore, he takes out his 10 Gauge shotgun and blows the can off the wooden post.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned's wife Sally Two Trees ([[Cherrilene Cardinal]]) notices that Will has his 10 Gauge wrapped in his bedroll.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will fires his 10 Gauge at Fatty.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will fires his 10 Gauge.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid covers Will with the shotgun as he gets on his horse.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Kid fires the shotgun.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Little Bill and his men discuss hunting down Will, as he walks into the bar with his shotgun in hand.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Who's the fellow owns this shithole?"]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After Skinny reveals himself to be the owner of the saloon, Will shoots him with no hesitation. He is inaccurately launched off his feet, although not as ridiculously as with some other films.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Will cocks the hammer on the shotgun's second barrel after he shoots Skinny.]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!"]]
[[Image:UnforgivenColt78-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend."]]

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Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

2011-03-17T02:56:31Z

Kilgore: /* Shansi Type 17 */

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'''The following weapons were used in the video game ''Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater'':'''
[[Image:Metal_Gear_Solid_3_Cover.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater'' (2004)]]

=Handguns=

== Colt Single Action Army ==

Major Ocelot's signature weapons are three [[Colt Single Action Army]]s, initially Ocelot had a heavily-engraved nickel SAA revolver, but switched to his 3 standard ones after Snake stated the engraving on them has no "tactical advantage". The player also gains a [[Colt Single Action Army]] after being tortured by Colonel Volgin, and can earn one while starting a new game if the final dual with Ocelot is done correctly. It holds six .45 Long colt rounds and fires single action only. To fire, the hammer must be cocked first, or the gun can be rapidly fanned from the hip. The guns advantage is that the bullet will commonly ricochet off walls and hit targets even if you miss. Some dramatic license is taken with this; in real life, at more severe angles and distances (especially after multiple ricochets), the bullets would hit with stinging, but nonlethal force. Ocelot professionally spins two of them and also features a cavalry stock he fits on the the back to fire it like a carbine rifle. As a sign of his ability (or likely, his brashness), he keeps all six chambers on both guns loaded, risking an unintended discharge should he drop one of his guns or have the hammer fall due to one of his numerous stunts with the guns, including juggling all three of his weapons at several points in the game. Real SAA users would usually keep the chamber under the hammer empty and make do with five rounds.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Colt Single Action Army]] w/ 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model. The most common of the SAA revolvers as it is just the right length. .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:TheQuickandtheDeadCimmaronSAALMO.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Two heavily engraved nickel SAA revolvers, similar to the one Ocelot had before switching to 3 regular SAA revolvers.]]

== FP-45 Liberator ==

The E-Z gun available in the easy mode is created by Sigint and based on an FP-45 Liberator. Sigint's version is a tranquilizer gun with a built-in suppressor and laser sight. True to its name, Snake will never get hungry while using this weapon, nor will his camo index ever drop below 80% when this gun is equipped. Despite being a single-shot weapon, it always has unlimited ammunition and is normally only available on the "Very Easy" difficulty, though it can be unlocked for other difficulties by collecting one of every edible item in-game.

[[Image:LiberatorPistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The FP-45 Liberator Pistol. The E-Z gun is based on the Liberator Pistol]]

== M1911A1 ==

The [[1911|M1911A1]] is Naked Snake's signature weapon in the game, he uses a standard issue [[1911]] before it is dismantled by The Boss. After this, Snake recieves a heavily customized [[1911]] from EVA, who states it was probably obtained from a captured US officer by the Russians. It has several professionally done modifications including a polished feed ramp, polished slide flats, perfectly meshed slide, beveled magazine well, raised mag release, a skeleton (referred to as a "ring") hammer, removed grip safety, 3 dot combat sights with raised front sight, stepping on grip, front cocking serrations and an extended thumb safety. Snake comments that this is the best gun he has ever used shortly before carving the grip to accommodate his knife. It can also be fitted with a suppressor via a threaded barrel.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The standard M1911A1 .45]]
[[Image:mgs3pistol3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The custom 1911 .45]]

== Makarov PM ==

The [[Makarov PM]] is the sidearm of every enemy in the game although it can never be obtained by the player. It is most notably used by Major Ocelot before being told by Naked Snake that his techniques with the gun would be better suited for a revolver which causes him to switch to the [[Colt Single Action Army]]. According to Snake, Ocelot tends to twist his arm to absorb the recoil of the pistol, whereas a more stoic grip and stance would result in greater accuracy. The Makarov fires 9x18mm Makarov rounds from an 8 shot magazine. Ocelot spins it as he effortlessly disposes of several KGB soldiers. After trying what according to Snake is a Middle Eastern technique where you reflexively rack the slide to make sure there is a round in the chamber, despite it being loaded, Ocelot causes a stovepipe (feed failure) jam. With the gun failing to go into battery, Snake ambushes him with CQC and subdues him easily. EVA also uses a Makarov during the ending.

[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Makarov PM 9x18mm PM]]

== Mk22 Mod 0 "Hush Puppy" (Smith & Wesson 39) ==

The [[Smith & Wesson Model 39]] handgun appears in the game upgraded as the MK22 Hush Puppy tranquilizer gun, a non-lethal subsitute to the [[M1911A1]]. It can be fitted with a suppressor. The hush-puppy is in fact a real gun firing 9mm rounds(9mm tranquilizers in the game) but the slide has a slide locking mechanism to eliminate the sound of the weapon cycling after each fired round.
[[Image:250px-Smith_and_Wesson_Model_39_-_PE.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 39.]]
[[Image:Mgs3mk22.jpg|thumb|290px|none|]]
[[Image:Mgs31.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Naked Snake holding his S&W M39]]

== Shansi Type 17 ==
The Shansi Type 17, a Chinese copy of the [[Mauser C96]] is EVA's signature weapon. She most notably uses it to shoot and kill several GRU soldiers near the beginning of the game with a techinique known as a "Bandit Shooting;" this is explained as a method of holding the gun sideways and using the recoil to creat a horizontal sweep with the gun to clear a room. Eva loses this weapon when Ocelot knocks it from her hands while in a motorcycle chase. On a second play through Sigint explains the "Bandit Shooting" Method and questions where EVA is from.

[[Image:C96-10.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Shansi Type 17, .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:EVA MGS3 render.jpg|thumb|none|450px|EVA holding her Type 17 Pistol]]

=Submachine Guns/Personal Defense Weapons=

== M1928A1 Thompson ==

The Pain uses an [[Thompson_Submachine_Gun#M1928.2FM1928A1_Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine gun with a stick magazine in his fight with Snake. It is identified as an M1928A1 rather than a conventional 1928 by its straight handgrip, as opposed to the pistol grip on the regular 1928.

[[Image:M1928-A1_T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 "Tommygun" .45 ACP]]
[[Image:ThePainTommy_gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Pain forms his "Tommy Gun." One frame later, it's a Thompson.]]

== Patriot ==

The Boss' signature weapon is the Patriot, seemingly an M231 Firing Port Weapon with a Beta C-Mag with infinite ammunition (claimed to be from its internal feed mechanism being in the shape of an infinity symbol). On a side note, Konami must have taken the term "tumble rounds" wrong. The first time you see the Boss fire the Patriot, you see the 5.56 bullets fly in slow-mo and they actually tumble end over end in the air!

[[Image:Wm 1119951786543207.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The Rocky Mountain Arms M16-Style Pistol, which looks similar to the Patriot.]]
[[Image:Mgs313.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Boss firing her Patriot Pistol]]

== Skorpion SA Vz 61 ==

The [[Skorpion SA|Skorpion SA Vz 61]] sub machine gun can be obtained by the player as well. It holds 30 rounds of .32 ACP ammunition, has a laser dot sight, and has a semi auto and a full auto option in the weapons window. It is also by several enemies, most notably by enemies in vehicles such as motorcycles or flying platforms. It uses a closed bolt blow-back system(locks for a millisecond backwards before slamming back home) to reduce the immense rate of fire to a controllable 850 RPM.

[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Skorpion SA Vz 61 - .32 ACP]]

=Shotguns=

== Ithaca 37 ==

The shotgun used in the game is an [[Ithaca 37|Ithaca 37]] with sawed off stock and barrel, it also holds four 12 gauge shells plus one in the chamber. It is also used by several members of the Ocelot Unit.

[[Image:Ithaca_m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Ithaca M37 shotgun 12-guage.]]

=Assault Rifles=

== AK-47 ==

Most of the ingame enemies (both GRU and KGB) use [[AK-47]]s. The [[AK-47]] can also be picked up by Naked Snake, and it is capable of semi-automatic and fully automatic fire. The AK uses 30 round magazines firing 7.62x39mm rounds.

[[Image:AK-47.jpg|thumb|350px|none|AK-47 7.62x39mm]]

== AMD-65 ==
A Hungarian made assault rifle based off of the [[AK-47]]. It is used by the Ocelot Unit.
[[Image:AMD-65.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AMD-65 7.62x39mm]]

== XM16E1 ==

The [[XM16E1]] in the game has three firing options: semi-auto, three round burst, and full-auto, and can also be fitted with a suppressor. (Thanks to the zoom when aiming through the iron sights, it can act as a suppressed "sniping" rifle.) It fires 5.56x45mm rounds from a 20 round magazine. It has been modified by a gunsmith with camouflage tape and paint making it more suitable for jungle combat.

[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|XM16E1 5.56x45mm]]

=Sniper Rifles/Designated Marksman Rifles=

== Mosin Nagant M91/30 ==

The [[Mosin Nagant]] is Cobra unit sniper The End's signature weapon. It has been modifed to fire tranquilizer darts, and can be obtained by the player if they beat The End with a stamina kill. It features a custom-fitted folding skeleton stock and pistol grip which are never explained (the character SigInt speculates they were fitted for parachute jumps, but in the end simply says the master sniper must have known what he was doing when he had them fitted), as well as the standard Soviet PU 3.5x scope.

[[Image:MosinNagantM9130Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|490px|Mosin Nagant M91/30, 7.62x54R.]]

[[Image:Chara_end_pic.gif|thumb|none|490px|The End holds his mutant Mosin Nagant.]]

== SVD Dragunov Sniper Rifle ==

Another sniper rifle in the game in the [[SVD Dragunov]], it has two zoom options, and be seen being used by a member of the Ocelot Unit sometime in the beginning of the game. It fires the same round as the Mosin-Nagant, the 7.62x54R cartridge from a 10 round magazine.

[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVD Dragunov sniper rifle - 7.6x54mm R]]

=Machine Guns=

== Stoner 63 ==

The light machine gun configuration of the modular [[Stoner 63]] weapon system is also used in the game. It holds 101 rounds of 5.56x45mm ammunition in the belt and Snake can be heard yelling while firing it, in reference to Rambo.

[[Image:Stoner63-1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Stoner 63 5.56mm unloaded in rifle configuration and with belt box fitted in light machine gun configuration.]]

=Launchers=

== RPG-7 ==

The [[RPG-7]] also makes an appearance in the game. It is obtained by the player and used several times by enemies.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Russian RPG-7 40mm]]

=Vehicle/Platform-mounted Weaponry=

== ZU-23 ==

23mm Soviet anti-aircraft gun. They can be commandeered by the player and are capable of shooting down helicopters and flying platforms. They are found in the mountains of Tselinoyarsk and in the final battle with the Shagohod.

[[Image:ZU-23.jpg|thumb|none|350px|ZU-23 Anti-Aircraft gun]]

== DShK ==

Able to commandeered by the player, these heavy machines are found throughout the game.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|280px|Russian DShK 38/46 in 12.7x109mm]]

=Other=

==Chaff Grenade==
(FICTIONAL) Chaff grenades are a miniature chaff dispenser. Chaff consists of small aluminum strips that are specifically designed to confuse radar frequencies, and normally used by aircraft to fool missile radar. The individual strips are cut in such a way that they wreak havoc with radar's transmitted frequencies. The Chaff Grenade is a combination of a wide-dispersal system for such strips and an electronic jamming system similar in effect to a magnetic pulse; it fools most electronic devices in the current room, including security cameras, radios, and some types of UAV.

==Flashbang Grenade==

==Lipstick Gun==

Popularly known as the "Kiss of Death," this [[Assassination Device|assassination device]] is a single-shot firearm using a 4.5mm bullet concealed in a lipstick holder. EVA, in her guise as Tatyana, uses one to threaten Sokolov into giving up the Shagohod's test data, but it turns out to be ordinary lipstick. EVA later tries to use one against Volgin, only to have him twist her arm (and the gun's barrel) away before she can trigger it.

== M2 Flamethrower ==

American made flamethrower first used in WWII and ended use in Vietnam. Used by GRU soldiers in the mountains of Tselinoyarsk. Uses a mixture of napalm and gasoline and has about 10 seconds of use before running out. If shot with solid rounds (not tranquilizer rounds), the tank will instantly engulf the user in a ball of fire.

[[Image:M2-2FlameAth.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M2 Flamethrower]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==

These camouflaged landmines are occasionally encountered in the jungle, but are triggered by Naked Snake's proximity rather than through a trip wire or command detonation through a wire (as in the real life version). They can be found using a mine detector (which uses a sound beacon) or seen easily through Naked Snake's thermal goggles.

== RGD-5 Hand Grenade ==

The hand grenades used in the game are Russian [[RGD-5 hand grenade]]s. They are used by GRU soldiers, and can be can also be obtained by Snake in various areas in the game.

[[Image:Rdg5.jpg|thumb|none|250px|RGD-5 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

==Smoke Grenade==

==White Phosphorus Grenade==

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[[Category:Espionage]]
[[Category:War]]

True Grit (1969)

2011-03-17T02:11:15Z

Kilgore: /* Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" (mocked up like Henry 1860) */ It's not a Wnchester Transition just because they took off the forend.

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[True Grit]]'':
[[Image:True-GritDVDcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''True Grit (1969)'']]
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==Single Action Army==
U.S. Marshal Reuben J. "Rooster" Cogburn ([[John Wayne]]) keeps a [[Single Action Army]] or "Peacemaker" with a 4 3/4" barrel, known as the "Quick Draw" model as his sidearm of choice throughout the film. "Lucky" Ned Pepper ([[Robert Duvall]]) also keeps a Quick Draw Peacemaker which he uses when facing Rooster during the film's climax. While watching Rooster load his Peacemaker, Mattie Ross ([[Kim Darby]]) asks him why he keeps one chamber empty, to which he replies, "So I won't shoot ''my'' foot off." At one point in the film, Rooster tells Mattie about how when he was in the Civil War, he did the same dual wielding guns method while on horseback, which he claims he fired two with the reins in his mouth the Army revolver. The 1851 and 1861 models were the Navy guns. He said he was firing two "Navy sixes", not two "Navy sixties".

[[Image:Colt 1873 Civilian Model.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army 4 3/4" barrel "Quick Draw" model - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Mr. Rat, I have a writ here says you're to stop eating Chin Lee's cornmeal forthwith. Now it's a rat writ, writ for a rat, and this is lawful service of the same. See, doesn't pay any attention to me."]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''BANG!'']]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster Cogburn fires his SAA in the air.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lucky Ned Pepper with his SAA during the showdown with Rooster.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster fires his SAA and Winchester '92 akimbo style, with the reins in his teeth when facing Ned Pepper and the Parmalee brothers.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned Pepper shoots Rooster's horse Bo with his SAA.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pepper prepares to shoot Rooster with his SAA.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSAA-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster shoots a Diamondback Rattlesnake in the snake pit with his SAA as he climbs down to save Mattie.]]

==Winchester 1892 "Saddle Ring Carbine"==
Rooster Cogburn ([[John Wayne]]) keeps a [[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 "Saddle Ring Carbine"]] with a large lever loop chambered in .44-40 as his rifle of choice throughout the film and is most notably seen using it during the film's climax when he fires it akimbo style along with his Single Action Army, twirling the rifle with the large lever loop to cock it with one hand. (This action most likely inspired the same technique used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] with the [[Winchester Model 1887]] shotgun in [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day|T2]]). Wayne and stuntman Yakima Canutt created the so-called Hollywood lever for the movie Stagecoach. It was a technique refined by Chuck Connors in TV's Rifleman and Connors was clearly the master of spin-cocking a model 1892(easy for Connors who was 6' 5" tall).
[[Image:JohnwayneWin92.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine with large lever loop used by John Wayne in the film True Grit. Serial #501892. Pictured with .44-40 shells. (Source: Photocopied from book "The Peacemakers: Arms and Adventure in the American West" written by R.L. Wilson.)]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster unloads prisoners from the Indian territory with his Winchester '92 carbine under his arm. Note large lever loop.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster takes aim with his Winchester '92 carbine at Moon ([[Dennis Hopper]]) and his partner Quincy in their house.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster points his '92 carbine at Moon.]]C
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster fires his '92 carbine at Ned Pepper and his gang.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster flip cocks the '92 carbine with one hand during the climax.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Fill your hand you son of a bitch!"]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster fires his '92 carbine akimbo style with his Single Action Army, with the reins in his teeth when facing Ned Pepper and the Parmalee brothers.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin92-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rooster's '92 carbine becomes out of reach when Pepper shoots his horse Bo, who traps his leg under his dead body.]]

==Colt Walker 1847 (cartridge conversion)==
Mattie Ross ([[Kim Darby]]) inherits her father's civil war handgun when he dies, which is a [[Colt Walker|Colt Walker 1847]] revolver with a cartridge conversion (although it is said to be a percussion gun to stay true to the novel). Mattie uses it when she encounters Tom Cheney ([[Jeff Corey]]) and is knocked down by the recoil of the gun (which is a bit unrealistic) and manages to shoot him in the gut with it. He then manages to charge her and take the gun due to several misfires (which were Rooster's fault, as he had loaded it incorrectly while drunk, and also overloaded the chambers with powder which caused the tremendous recoil). The gun manages to fire once more in the hands of Mattie and grazes Cheney's head though the recoil knocks her into a snake pit. When Mattie first shows the gun to Rooster, he calls it a Colt's Dragoon but it is clearly too large and lacks a loading lever latch that the Dragoon models had.
[[Image:1847ColtWalker.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Walker 1847 percussion model - .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sheriff ([[John Doucette]]) gives Mattie her father's Colt Walker cartridge converted revolver.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Why, by God, girl, that's a Colt's Dragoon! You're no bigger than a corn nubbin, what're you doing with all this pistol?"]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"It belonged to my father, he carried it bravely in the war, and I intend to kill Tom Chaney with it if the law fails to do so."
"Well, this'll sure get the job done if you can find a fence post to rest it on while you take aim."]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mattie aims her Colt Walker at Tom Cheney before shooting him in the gut.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mattie shoots Cheney a second time with her Walker Colt and falls backwards into a snake pit.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cheney looks down at Mattie in the snake pit with her Walker Colt in hand before being killed by Rooster's SAA.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWalkercoltcartridge-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mattie gives Rooster her Walker Colt at the end of the film.]]

==Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine==
La Boeuf ([[Glen Campbell]]) uses a [[Sharps|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine]] as his rifle of choice throughout the film. When hunting, he manages to pretty much destroy a Turkey with the rifle. Later in the film he manages to shoot Ned Pepper's horse from a long distance and is mocked by Rooster for missing the shot claiming, "Maybe next time if you aim for for the horse, you might hit Pepper." He fairs better at the film's climax and manages to shoot Pepper off his horse from an impressive distance before he can kill Rooster.
[[Image:Sharps1874cavalarycarbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sharps 1874 Cavalry Carbine - .45-70.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf destroys a Turkey with his Sharps 1874 Cavalary Carbine.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf shoots Ned Pepper's horse with his Sharps 1874 carbine.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf takes aim at more of Pepper's men.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf comes to Matties' rescue with his Sharps 1874 carbine in hand.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf points his Sharps Carbine at Cheney.]]
[[Image:TrueGritSharps1874cavalarycarbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|La Boeuf shoots Ned Pepper off his horse with his Sharps Carbine.]]

==Colt New Service (mock-up)==
Lucky Ned Pepper ([[Robert Duvall]]) is seen in a few scenes using a [[Colt New Service|Colt New Service]] revolver mocked up to look like a Single Action Army by adding a fake ejector rod. (See also [[The Long Riders]].) These guns were used by actors too slow to handle a single action only revolver and required a double action trigger pull for quicker shots. It is strange why he uses this gun as he is never required to fire it rapidly and when facing Rooster at the end of the film, the gun switches to an actually SAA instead.
[[Image:ColtNewService1917.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt New Service - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:TrueGritColtDAmockup-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned Pepper fires his mocked-up Colt New Service revolver in the air.]]
[[Image:TrueGritColtDAmockup-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned Pepper firing his mocked-up New Service at Rooster during the climax of the film before it turns into an actual SAA.]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" (mocked up like Henry 1860)==
Tom Cheney ([[Jeff Corey]]) is seen using a [[Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"]] rifle with the forend removed to look like a [[Henry 1860]] rifle to murder Frank Ross ([[John Pickard]]), Matties' father. Dialogue confirms they intended the gun to be a Henry rifle in the film. Later, Cheney is seen with an actually Henry instead.
[[Image:Yellowboy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy" - .44RF.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cheney points his Winchester 1866 mocked up like a Henry at Frank Ross.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cheney with the Winchester 1866 rifle. Note how it clearly has a loading gate instead of a twisting barrel, which shows it is not a Henry rifle.]]

==Henry 1860==
Tom Cheney ([[Jeff Corey]]) is later seen with an ''actual'' [[Henry 1860]] when Mattie first finds him. He keeps a sling attached to it.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Henry 1860 - .44RF]]
[[Image:TrueGritHenryrifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cheney armed with his Henry 1860 when he meets Mattie. Note how the rifle clearly has a twisting barrel instead of a loading gate.]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A U.S. Marshal helping Rooster Cogburn unload the outlaws from the Indian territory is armed with a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]]. Later, Farrell Parmalee ([[Kenneth Becker]]) is seen armed with a side-by-side as well.
[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stoeger IGA Coach gun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:TrueGritdoublebarrelshotgun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. Marshal helps Rooster unload outlaws from the Indian Territory with a side-by-side in hand.]]
[[Image:TrueGritdoublebarrelshotgun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Farrel Parmalee with a side-by-side in hand.]]

==Winchester 1894 Saddle Ring Carbine==
A U.S. Marshal helping unload outlaws from the Indian territory is seen armed with a [[Winchester Model 1894|Winchester 1894 Saddlering Carbine]] rifle. He is seen with it inhand when telling Mattie to wait another day to talk to Rooster Cogburn. Later in the film, Ned Pepper is seen with a '94 rifle and fires it into the air to let Rooster know where he is. It clearly has a longer receiver and the more complex lever system under the gun helping tell it from an 1892 rifle.
[[Image:Win94saddlering.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1894 Saddlering Carbine - .30-30.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. Marshal tells Mattie to wait for Rooster with his Winchester 1894 Saddlering carbine in hand.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned Pepper with a Winchester '94 carbine in hand.]]
[[Image:TrueGritWin94-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ned Pepper fires his '94 carbine in the air.]]

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User talk:Bunni

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==Site down==
Was it my imagination or was IMFDB down for at least one day? Is this something we should be concerned about? :) Was it the server change over? Things DO LOOK much faster right now. :) Hope everything is okay and we haven't moved the servers to Haiti or some other hurricane ravaged place. ;) MPM2008

==Hey==
Hey Bunni, thanks for helping me create the Resident Evil page, just to let you know it's all done. Also, I wanted to know if you allowed 18th century weapons on this site too because I'm thinking about doing a page on The Last Samurai. Thanks.

== Reply ==

Thanks, I just wanted to make sure it was okay with you before I started, and no problem, it was fun creating the Resident Evil page.

== The Last Samurai is finished ==

Hey Bunni, I just wanted to let you know The Last Samurai page is finished, but some of the images I put up might need to be fixed. Sorry to bother you about it, but I don't know how to make the images fit together as well as you can. And also, I noticed you are creating a page on Heroes. I know a website where you can find the guns used on the show, go to this site:

http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page

And search weapons, and it should bring you to a page that shows you the weapons that are used in the show, hope it helps.

== Taking a short break. ==

Hey Bunni, I just want to let you know I'll be taking a short break so I can think of a film to make a page about next. Also, thanks for editing the pages Orca and I made and putting them on Wikipedia.

== Image:Prof-Case.jpg semi-autos ==

Took a look at the pistols in Image:Prof-Case.jpg, and I believe the one in the back is a Beretta Inox while the one in the front seems to be some sort of custom job using a 1911 frame. I think the revolver -might- be a Taurus of some kind. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the tip, that looks like the gun. RE: Apocalypse should be done today, I just have to add three more guns.

== Re: Scarface ==

Thanks, I also like the job you did on Saving Private Ryan, you take better pictures then I do! Also, it might be awhile before I make another movie page, I have to get more Fullscreen dvds because most of my dvds are in Widescreen, and my picture don't come out so good with the two black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, but I'll do as much as I can. And thanks again for commenting my work on Scarface.

== The Beretta/M16 issue ==

I think that the [[M16 rifle series]] page should be kept together, since the guns listed on the page are essentially the same weapon, though giving the Beretta 93R its' own page is possible, so long as it's done well and kept up to the same quality standards as the other gun pages on the site. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I'm afraid I goofed on making a page for the Beretta 93R; it somehow ended up getting labeled as "[[Beretta 92]]". If you could fix this, I'd greatly appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: Disreguard, [[Alienqueen11]] took care of it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]]

== Merge Sig Sauer P220-series pistol pages? ==

I would like to suggest that all the pages for the Sig-Sauer P220-series pistols be merged into one, since they're all essentially variants of the same weapon. This merger would include the [[Sig Sauer P226]] and [[Sig Sauer P228]] pages, and any others I might have overlooked. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 16:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

: I've copied the Sig P228 material onto the Sig P226 page, I just need someone to retitle the P226 page and redirect the P228 page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== RE: Congrats ==

Thanks, that's great that they're featuring it. It's also good for this site since it's being advertised. And sure, I'll keep checks on the Scarface page, I already deleted one vulgar comment, I wonder how you block users like that from editing.

== We need moderators ==

Hey Bunni, I was wondering if you knew how to get some moderators on this site to block some of the users because there's been alot of vandalism since we're gettting alot more visitors. This one user deleted the content on the main page, Scarface, wallpaper, and support, but don't worry I fixed them.

== Relation between IMFDB and a former Wikipedia article? ==

Hey Bunni, I was curious, aside from the overall theme, is there any relation between this site and the former Wikipedia article "List of Firearms in Films" and its' sister article, "List of Firearms in Video Games? I was a frequent contributor to that article and a fervent advocate against its' deletion, and was wondering if that article is living on here? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Adding Admininstrators ==

Sure, I be more then happy to take up the status, just let me know when it's done, Thanks alot. Alienqueen11.

== Re: Wikipedia article ==

I'm afraid I don't know any of the admins over at Wikipedia, I'm just another user there. As for your suggestion that I be a moderator here, I could give it a shot. Also, don't forget to retitle the [[Sig Sauer P226]] page so it covers all the P220-series pistols, and/or let me know how to do it should you give me moderator privledges. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Suggestion for movie articles ==

I just had an idea to help add something to the movie articles. How about adding movie poster or DVD/VHS cover images to them, like their articles over at Wikipedia have? Just a thought. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Sig P220 pistol page ==

Thanks for fixing the Sig Sauer P220 pistol page. I'll start fixing the links as nessicary. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Digg ==

Cool, You mean vote for it? I have to have an account there to do it, I'll make one.
I just voted for or digged it, it has 7 diggs now.

== New Category suggestion ==

Hey Chris, I was wondering if you could make a new category for movie posters & video covers? I'm considering adding movie posters & case cover images to some of the articles to improve them, but need a category to put those pictures in, since they don't exactly qualify as screenshots. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Cover and Poster Categories ==

How about we combine them together into "Poster and Cover Art"? make things a bit simpler and avoid mis-categorizing. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 02:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Poster and Cover Art category created ==

I just created the "Poster and Cover Art" category. If you could create a link for it on the main page, I would appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Funny ==

lol, that is funny. I still have more stuff to add before it's complete though. And also, when do you need those revolvers from Sin City identified? Alienqueen11.

== Sin City Revolvers ==

I know some of those revolvers you're uploading, would you like me to tell you what they are here, or do you just want me to edit the screenshots? Alienqueen11.

== RE: Sin City ==

Yeah, I was thinking that too, plus a few of them look like Colt Peacemakers or Single Action Armies.

== Call for screenshots ==

I was wondering if you or Alienqueen111 could help add some screenshots to some of the film & game articles I've made? I'm only limited to images I've been able to scour off the internet, which sadly isn't much. Any help you two could provide would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Update on SC. ==

I identified some of weapons, and created some headlines for them and placed thier screenshots were they needed to be. but there are still four unknown guns though. Alienqueen11.

== Re: Screenshots ==

Thanks man, I appreciate it. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ghost's 'mystery pistol' in The ''Matrix Reloaded'' ==

From what I've been able to dig up, it looks like Ghost ([[Andrew Wong]])'s mystery pistol in ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]'' is a customized SIG P220-series pistol, most likely a P229. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 03:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Screenshots ==

Hey bunni, do you how to take a screenshot from a Widescreen movie and not have those two black bars?

Nevermind actually, I found a way to get rid of the black bars. Alienqueen11.

== BHD M1911A1 ==

Why did you delete the M1911A1 pistol from the ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' article? That weapon is indeed used in there by the Delta Force operators. In the scene at the beginning of the film where Blackburn and Eversmann first meet, you can see one of the Deltas draw and fire his M1911A1 on the shooting range. It is also used by Delta snipers Shughart and Gordon in their ill-fated attempt to defend the second crash site. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

== Shoot 'Em Up ==

In Shoot'Em UP, Mr. Smith is not firing a AKS-47U and the men chasing Mr.Smith are not firing FN SCAR's they both are armed with Mico Gali's.

[[Image:Galil_m.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Micro Galil.]]

The picture you have of the FN SCAR is not correct. You have a picture of a 'Robinson Arms XCR' with an EoTech sight. Here is a picture of an FN SCAR.

[[Image:FN_SCAR_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN SCAR with Aim Point sight.]]

On a side note the SCAR has not been released to the civilain market yet, just like the H&K G36.--[[User:Gunner313|Gunner313]] 17:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

== No Problem ==

No Problem, I blocked that user, and undid all his edits with the help of another user using an IP address so everything should be fine now. Alienqueen11.

== Pistol ID Needed ==

Hey, do you think you could ID this pistol? I was browsing still images from ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'' on IMDB and came upon this pic:

[[Image:TWINEPistol.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The "Cigar Lady" moments before using an unknown pistol to blow up a hot air balloon and kill herself in ''[[The World Is Not Enough]]'']]

Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Glad to see you back! ==

Sorry about my absence, my computer ate it hard back in mid-september, and my internet access has been spotty at best (presently using my mom's laptop, hence why I haven't made pages for some of the things I've seen in the interim). I'm trying to get my computer back up, but it's looking to be a lengthy process due to financial troubles. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]]

== About [[Snatch]] ==

There are a bunch of pictures of the S&W 686 being used, but when you click the pics, it says they're Colt Pythons. The pictures aren't that clear, so I can't be too sure, but at least one (the pic with the titles in it and the arm in the picture) is very likely not a Colt Python. The Python has a noticeable "railing" on the top of the barrel. S&Ws don't. The "Boris" picture, though, does look like a Python, although the top of the gun is hard to see.

==thanks==
is this how this works? I hope so. anyway, thanks for the message. I was thinking about signing up.

== RE: SVT-40 ==

It's too big to upload here, but here's an imageshack link:
http://img248.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tokarevsvt40fa7.jpg

I paid about $300 for mine after a large number were imported to Canada, they're going for $400-$500 now as they got bought up. We got them because Russia signed a agreement with the Clinton government not to export certain firearms (including the SVT-40) to the US.

I will warn you, it's a real pain to strip, so if you're at all lazy about cleaning don't fire surplus ammo in it. I use Igman and Bell almost exclusively, it's still pretty cheap and I don't feel bad about firing it in some of my rarer rifles.

== Shooter ==

Hey Bunni, can you please upload more images for [[Shooter]] when you get the chance, I want to see more great screenshots. I'll greatly appreciate it, thanks.

==Re:Platoon==
Thanks. I still got plenty to do. It should be done in an hou or two.

By the way, why did you pick Platoon for the front page? Just curious.

And if okay with you, you should add some of the larger articles like [[Hard Boiled]] (biggest with 54 guns) or one of my lesser ones like [[Last Action Hero]]. Or find articles that convey the different time periods. My [[Quigley Down Under]] page shows the 19th century side of the site. [[Heat]] should definately deserve a spot on the main page, being such an infamous gun movie. Sorry to advertize my work, I'm just shooting some ideas. Great site, still got many more articles to come. On my to-do list are Rambo II & III, and I got this western film called "Young Guns" to do. I might do [[The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly]] eventually. Weekends will be my time to shine now that I'm back to school. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Check out the vandal==
Some moron is now vandalizing the [[Commando]] Page. His last comment when i said 'not to delete page contents and replace them with gibberish' was ''"It's fun. Good luck"''. But he changes his IP address every time.'' ((Edit: AlienQueen took care of it. Thanks! ) I hate these vandals. ''

==Old site + front page==

I'm trying to make the front page code function again so that we can see the same stuff we used to see, but no go. Also, someone is still editing the old site, apparently after accessing it via the link on the front page...maybe we should lock it so that source code can still be copied, but no new changes can be made?

== Images ==

I noticed that the images of guns and screenshots on movie pages on this server are a little pixaleted and fuzzy when they were crystal clear on the old server. I'm sorry to bug you about this issue, but I would like to know if this is just a bug that will be worked out (hopefully), thanks. --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

You're the second person to tell me this - but I don't see it at all in my browsers? I've looked on OS X and Windows XP with Firefox, Safari, Internet Explorer, and Chrome... [[Special:Contributions/76.174.56.4|76.174.56.4]] 02:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

:Same here. I've been looking at several articles (mostly my own, admittedly), and I don't notice a difference. It might be the fact that I'm viewing the site on a laptop with a pretty small 13" screen, but I also viewed the site this morning on my desktop at work, which has a 19" monitor, and again...no difference in image quality that I could see.

I think I've found a solution, I found that if I change my Magnification from 100% to 101%, the images on the pages look fine, the page is a little wider, but it looks better. I think the site could have been slightly more magnified on the last server, is this possible?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Main Page==

I added some more pages to the feed on the Main Page. Not just my own either...old favorites like ''[[Heat]]'' (still our most popular) and ''[[The Matrix]]'', as well as various articles from the past few months by myself, Gunmaster, MoviePropMaster, and Orca. My criteria was to add thorough pages that have screencaps for all of the guns listed, and which generally meet high standards. This is, of course, your site, so feel free to judge which pages meet your standards for the Main Page, but I just think we should make sure we're promoting the best pages by our users.

:Hah! I could hardly call it my site - too many great users, including yourself, have made huge contributions of time and energy to call it *mine* - I'm just trying to keep the hardware up to our growing needs and the site backed up daily! :) [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

::LOL...thanks, dude, but seriously, you started it, and you run it, so that does ''kinda'' make it yours, no?

::BTW, what's wrong with the article feed? I've tried a couple of little edits that haven't made it work any better. Any idea what bug is causing that? Also, I edited the proportions of things slightly...the "Featured Page" now takes up 65% of the horizontal width, and the "Featured Image" 35%, which seems a little more ideal. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::The article feed relies on an extension that's giving me nothing but errors at the moment... I'm looking for a different version or a bug fix... [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 06:06, 3 October 2008
(UTC)

==Uzi==
The Uzi page is down last I checked, thought I'd let you know. -GM

== Moderating ==

Hey Bunni, I sorry to bother you about this, but there is a bug with my moderating abilities. I am unable to block users who vandalize or spam pages, there are these two users who inserted gibberish into [[The Rock]] page and [[Commando]] Talk page, and I'm unable to do anything about them. If this isn't too much trouble for you, can you fix this as soon as possible? Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Admin Rights ==

I'm sorry, but I'm still getting an error message. Any ideas to what could be going on?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's the Database error message:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "Block::insert". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'ipb_by_text' in 'field list' (localhost)".

I'll going leave a message on Orca's talk page right now asking if he has the same issue.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==Unregistered Users==
I think anonymous users should only be allowed to edit a page if they have an account because any random troll can defile these pages whenever they please and if they register and troll, they are easier to ban. Also, when an anonymous user messages you, you can't respond back. By all means they should be allowed to read and view the pages but they shouldn't be allowed to defile the pages we work so hard on so much whenever. I know they can be blocked but still they do it so much, something should be permenantly done. Does it sound like a good idea? I'm not trying to make things harder for you so if it is too hard to do, dismiss my message. It's just when the Commando page and other pages keep getting trolled it makes me mad.
P.S. What do you think of the new and improved [[Saving Private Ryan]] page I spent all day on? -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

== Re: Which User? ==

I contacted Orca, and he has the same problem. Go to the [[Commando]] talk page, and look at the revision history and it's the first user down, and on [[The Rock]] page, there was a user that vandalized the page, but it has since been undone. Also be sure to read Gunmaster45's comment, it sounds like a way to protect the site, but I'm also afraid the site will loose activity if done so. I'll be sure to create a new account Thursday or Friday, I'll let you know the name when I do. Thanks, and good luck.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Personally, I don't agree with the idea of banning anonymous users from editing, for precisely the reason Alienqueen has cited. However, I do think we should probably get some more moderators around here. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Okay, it was a ''bit'' harsh, but I was just throwing out ideas. In most cases, anonymous users make unprofessional pages, add incorrect info randomly, troll, and other things which wouldn't be missed (But not all. Some of the more knowledgable ones should just sign in with a user name and join the club), yet the main lot of us on the site with user names makes new professional pages and add good pictures everyday. I'm saying if it is harder to edit the site, more of the negative editors are weeded out and more of the dilligent users will sign in. And if a die-hard troll does sign in, he is far easier to ban and prevent future trolling. Obviously my plan is flawed but not a horrible idea. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

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My 2 cents on the issue. The person who was vandalizing the [[Commando]] page was doing it repeatedly from different IP addresses. IP addresses that changed from minute to minute, so this guy must have been doing it from a computer room at a school/college, or at a workplace with lots of IP addresses. This anonymous vandal taunted me with the words "Good Luck!" & "It's fun!" when I warned him to stop messing with IMFDB pages. One has to weigh the consequences, and personally, making it so that certain targeted pages are protected by these individuals, (and have to be edited only by persons who have bothered to make an online account), is a good compromise. Any other course of action, we can quickly lose control of IMFDB to people whose only desire is to do it harm. This comment coming from a member (me) who had to UNDO this weirdo's vandalism THREE times in the course of a few hours. If that had spread to the rest of the site ... I shudder to think what would happen. The fact that we have MODS who are willing to protect the site from this intentional vandalism is a good thing, and such action keeps members like myself from abandoning the site. I appreciate the quick action taken to protect the page. Members take a lot of their time to building good pages and it's one thing to lose info due to a hardware issue and it's another entirely to spend all one's time undoing the gibberish from a bunch of infantile internet vandals. Just something to think about. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

I just created a new account called [[User: Tyrannosaurus|Tyrannosaurus]], so you can try to upgrade whenever you're ready.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I can understand the frustration with these vandals. However, the fact is, most anonymous users are perfectly law-abiding and make useful contributions to the site. The way I look at it (and I say this as a libertarian who believes in personal freedom and responsibility), it's similar to the issue many of us have with gun control laws: A few gangbangers shoot up their "hoods" with AKs, so the liberals feel the need to ban everyone, including law-abiding citizens, from owning AKs. And the liberals might argue, "Well, if we don't ban assault weapons, think of all the criminals and terrorists who are going to use them to out-gun the police and take control of the streets!" But most of us would disagree with that, no? It's the same issue of freedom and responsibility here. I've had some pages I've worked on vandalized, and it's annoying, but it is fairly simple to undo the damage (go to "Page History", select the version that precedes the vandalism, and undo it). I think the biggest issue is the lack of available moderators to ban the vandals as soon as they strike. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Nominations for new mods? ==

The site has a lot of great users who I would be happy to have as additional moderators - however not everyone wants the responsibility. So, rather than foisting administrator status on some users I'd love for you guys to either step up to the plate or nominate other users you trust. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 19:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC) [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 19:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to say this, but it still won't let me block them.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Hey, Bunni, I would like to know if you can make [[User: MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] an adminstrator because a user has been uploading over his images, and I would like to put locks on his images so only he can upload new versions and revert them. Also, sorry if I'm bothering you, but did you ever find out what the bug was? I would really like to have the ability to block people again, because right now it would be very useful.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to say this but it still refuses to work, but it sounds like you getting close to solving the problem, I'm unable to block Users or IP adresses, but I'm still able to protect and delete pages, I think it says the error is in the function "Block::insert". . Is there a possiblity moving to a new server could fix the problem? (Not that you have to, It's just a thought). But thanks for making MPM2008 a mod though.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you so much, Bunni. I'm going to ban all the vandals we couldn't before now. If you still have the nomination thing up, I would like to recommend [[User: Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] and [[User: MT2008|MT2008]] for positions as new Admins. I will also let Orca and MPM2008 know about the good news. Once again, thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==RE:Top pages==
The page still needs a lot of work though. I'm still working on adding cars and knifes to the Punisher dicussion page for anyone to use, so I can't. Other wise, I would try. Any ideas on how to automate the page so it changes the information on its own? -GM

==The Leone Trilogy==
I just finished the last of the three Sergio Leone westerns, [[A Fistful of Dollars]], [[For a Few Dollars More]], and [[The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly]]. I was wondering if their is any way to put them in order on the "next page" options and in order on the movie page instead of alphabetical order. It isn't a big deal but let me know if you can. Also, keep your eyes out for my next projects. I just got [[Last Man Standing]] in the mail today and I also planning to do The Whole Nine Yards and The Whole Ten Yards soon. -GM
:That sounds like a good idea. -GM

== Beast of War ==

Hey Bunni, Orca discovered another bug on the site. [[The Beast of War]] page is broken for some reason. If you can find a solution to that, I would be thankful.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

==Defiance==
Hope you don't mind. I replaced some of your pics on the ''[[Defiance]]'' page along with some other screencaps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Forums ==

Good Job on getting the forum back, but I recommend you put the anti-spam thing on it like you did with the one before the crash. Because you're already getting spammers on the off topic forum now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:33, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

==Empty pages==
Anonymous users have been making far too many empty pages and it's kinda getting out of hand. Is there anyway we can stop anonymous users from making pages (before I was thinking too harshly by saying they shouldn't be able to edit the site), now I think it is a little less harsh if we can stop them from making the 20 empty pages a day. Even if this isn't possible, is there any way we can notify them to stop making these empty pages? [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 21:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Another Mod recommendation ==

Hey Bunni, it's me again, and I have another mod recommendation. If you can make [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] an admin, it would appreciated. He has done alot of great work on the site, and is deserving of a promotion. Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Who's User:Tyrannosaurus?==
It says he is a sysop, and I've never heard of him nor seen him post. Did you or WikiSysop give him this rank or is there foul play? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Speakeasy804==
Bunni, you may have noticed [[User:Speakeasy804]] has been doing an exceedingly good job of screencapping pages for some time now (sometimes two or three in a day!), do you think you could make him an Administrator, I think he's earned it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Thanks! ==

Thank you very much for the new privilege! I'm honored and I'll try and keep up the good work! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Screenshots==

Bunni, please do tell...how are we doing as far as server capacity goes? Do you want me (and other admins) to engage in another huge deleting spree of unused images/pages? We did it a while ago, but if it would help, please don't hesitate to ask.

Also, what kind of server upgrade do you need? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I admit that many of us (myself included) have been getting WAY out of hand with screencaps. I used to make pages where I might have 10 images for a single gun, which is definitely overdoing it. And since many of our pages are the ones getting used for the Featured Article section, it makes sense. If you want, we can always start enforcing rules against having so many screencaps.

:As far as the new server goes, how much are you going to need? In the forum, we've discussed the possibility of finding advertisers. This site's Main Page has had over 1,000,000 views, and in the last month since we reached that benchmark, we've now had close to 200,000 more. At that rate, we can definitely start shopping around for sponsorship deals, especially in the American gun owning community. It might help with finding money to upgrade servers.

:The idea for the Main Page that you have seems like a decent enough idea, but I just worry that it will take away a great deal of the visual splendor from the site. After all, featured pages do a great job of showing casual viewers what IMFDB is like. An alternative might be to start being a LOT more frugal about what pages we put on. We can limit it only to articles that have, say, no more than 20 guns and no more than 3 images of each. I would be willing to edit some of my pages to fit this standard. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::I know what you're saying about the featured page, and that was my intention when I first added featured articles to the front page - but at this point we are receiving enough traffic that it has become a serious strain. I've just updated the front page with a couple examples of what I was talking about using only one screenshot and then linking to the article. We have so many new visitors daily that I think it's important our front page load quickly so they can access the rest of the site - I don't want to discourage new visitors with an unusually long load time as their very first experience with the imfdb. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Understandable. Anyway, what about revenue from advertising? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

==A new member asked me for help==

Here is the repost of his query... Any idea why the system keeps kicking him out?

::I am having difficulty trying to assist with the website. I have registered using the user name "sgtmonroe". Unfortunately I cannot seem to get anything to work on the website. Everytime I go to a page to upload an image, or something to that effect, I get logged out.

::I am the "mystery user" that posted some additional information under the "Wild Geese" entry about the actors and firearms [such as the M1934 Beretta, SIG P-210, etc.]. For some reason when I posted my user name would not show up. I cannot figure out why the site keeps logging me out...even when I check the "Remember my login on this computer " box.

::I would love to assist with the website...I have prepared screen caps for the film "Lost Command" and was going to update the page for it...since the entry is very lacking...the film features around 25 different firearms...yet the entry just has the "MAT 49" at this time.

::I would appreciate any assistance you could afford me...BTW...after reading the forum entries I have noticed a trend in the complaints...just for your information I am 40 yo, former military and current law enforcement, can form a complete sentence, and have been a film "couch commando" pretty much my entire life...oh, and I own real guns!

::Thanks for any help as well as your time concerning this matter.

::C.A. Monroe

Thanks
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Template==
Thanks for the note. To the mods: Though my own preference is strongly towards chronological order, I can accede to the wishes of the majority. I do like the format of Title First, before actor. Please note all, in the [[Steyr AUG]] page that the title, then character, then actor template, dovetails nicely into the other genres (television) but also Anime and Video games. Since there is no Character in some and no Actor in Anime or Videgame, I think this order maintains the same look from Film all the way down to VG. Thanks and please look at the page to see what I was referring to. Thanks again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Account(maybe you could help)==
I had to make another account because [[User: Kenny99|Kenny99]] has account problems. When I clicked on to my user page, it is always blank and nothing else. I am not sure why this happens, but I uploaded a drawing from my camera, uploaded it, and the uploading progress disappears. I don't know why, but probably my camera probably has problems. - [[User:Kenny199|Kenny199]] 02:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
*Never mind, it is solved. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 05:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Bunni, I really need your help, there is an error on this site preventing us from undoing revisons on Pages and Images, and this asshole named Hieloco just ruined a few of MoviePropMaster2008's images, and I can't fix them, please respond as soon as possible.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I just sent you a message concerning this on your Gmail.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:10, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bunni, and yeah, I was assuming Unixy was someone was an administrator or someone like that. I'd also think the bug is affecting some pages such as a few talk pages too because if you look at ones such as Orca's and yours, a whole bunch of text in missing at the top, but it appears in the edit page. Anyway, whatever it is, I wish the best of luck in fixing it, and thanks for your help again. P.S sorry if I overreacted earler.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:42, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

==the Mystery IP address==
If you look at the recent activity page, ANYONE who has edited without logging in has the same IP address :) It's some serious X-Files stuff goin' on! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:24, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks==
I will only exercise the function when deleting or banning spammers (don't know how to do that yet, but the next time someone spams the forums with gibberish, I'll get the chance to practice). Thanks again. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks for deleting the old re-directs==
Those were back in the days before I was able to delete spam pages. As a regular member, all I could do was blank the page and change it into a legitimate gun or movie page. Anyway, that hasn't been an issue for a long time. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== forum login ==

Well the weird thing is that there were 2 instances when the forum asked for my password when I wanted to delete and ban a spam bot. Those 2 instances when I typed my password correctly, it lead to a thing that said that it was the wrong password and that I should wait 15 minutes to try again. I then clicked on the button that saids send me password to my email to see if I did used the wrong password, but I never got any emails from the forum. Later on, when I tried again, I was able to delete spambots by typing in my password, unchanged. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

==Rules page==
Sorry, it seemed as if we were conflicting each other's edits. I will stop if you want to flesh out the page uninterrupted :) My apologies. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

==Insulting actors==
I was torn on putting it in the commentary section (which I have not had time to flesh out yet) rather than the principles section. It could belong in either section. In the commentary section I was going to address (a) inappropriate comments (b) moving commentary to the discussion page, (c) insulting actors (d) noting that observing flaws or goofs or anachronisms in a scholarly way is not being insulting (e) to limit sarcasm in all descriptions and commentary on pages (f) limit requoting entire sections of the movie in commentary 'just because it's cool' .... stuff like that. I'll put it in whatever section you deem appropriate though. Just let me know. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

==My forum login is still screwed up==
Not only can I not log in most of the time, the forum logs me OUT after a few minutes. I was composing a response to a question and I was logged out and not, again, cannot log back in. Can this be fixed? No much I can do as a Mod if I can't get into the forums. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

==Forum problems login==
Yes, I cannot login most of the time, because when I click on 'remember me', even if I carefully type in the correct username and password, I still get booted out with the warning that I've used up my login attempts, WTF? Only if I don't click on 'remember me' can I log in, but then I get logged out very quickly (within fifteen minutes) I know this because I was composing a forum reply to someone and just as I was about to post it, I got a NEW error message that I must be logged in, in order to post, but I was already logged in. So when I tried again to log in, I got the same Error message that I had used up all of my login attempts, even though the last time I tried to log in was obviously successful. I gave up trying to reply to ANYONE's forum posts, because I get booted out alot and can't get back in. Hopefully this description helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the explaination-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

==I still can't get into the FORUM==
I've tried many times. I always get this when I try to log in for the first time....
[[Image:QuoteUsedUp.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
It's really ridiculous. I was given Mod powers to delete and block spammers but I spend HOURS where I cannot get in. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

==You won't believe this==
Score! I've been holding off uploading these because I'm still waiting on an image for the [[Heartbreak Ridge']] page (their weapons are set up slightly differently) so I hope people will wait to update that page until I can get a good image for that page.

===Say Hello to My Little Friend!!!===
[[Scarface]] fans will crap in their pants. Got the ACTUAL '''screen used''' LITTLE FRIEND. Now I used black gaffers tape and taped two 30 round magazines together as best I could (to try to match the screenshots). Do you think that was smart? or should I just present it with a plain magazine? Anyway, I did that because I wanted people to see it as it was most seen in the movie (Wow that launcher is beat up, it's been 25 years after all since the movie was filmed!!!!) It is also the old launchers that were used before the Cobray 37mm launchers became prevalent.
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tony Montanas' 'Little Friend' from the movie [[Scarface]] - Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16A1 - 5.56mm/39mm]]

===Screen used Zabala Shotgun===
This IS the gun used by 'The Skull' [[Gino Silva]] to blast Tony Montana in the movie. I also included a closeup shot of the top of the gun to show the markings.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SBS-ShotgunTOP_Scarface.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Top of the Screen used side by side Spanish Zabala Shotgun from the movie [[Scarface]] - 12 gauge. Note manufacturer markings on the top of the shotgun.]]

===RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!!!===
Recognize this lovely? I've been waiting to get pics for the [[Predator]] page for a while. So many weapons have either been sold off or taken apart and reconfigured for other movies.
[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Motion Picture Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 Rilfe - 5.56mm/39mm. Configured as it appeared in the movie.]]

'''IMFDB is the only place in the WORLD, now that has these images. How cool is that?''' :) I got some screen used muskets from Last of the Mohicans (from private collections), which is interesting since I usually don't get many pre 1848 weapons.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

==The new 870==

Nice shotgun you got there, Chris! I was in the market for a shotgun myself recently, and I thought about getting the 870 Express Tactical (with the rails and the door breacher), but ultimately decided on the Mossy 500 Mariner instead (because the stainless look won me over). Here's mine:

[[Image:MTMariner-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|(I now have a pistol grip for it, too)]]

Still, that 870 looks sweet. Again, good choice. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

:Congrats on the 229R, too. As for me, I love my SIG. It's a good, dependable shooter and far more accurate than I can ever hope to be. As for the 229, it's a good choice, although I personally find it a bit too wide (its grip circumference is a bit wider than that of the 226 and 228). But I'm sure you'll like it. It's a very popular LE pistol, and for good reason. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==Interesting email I recieved==

I recieved an interesting email today in regards to deleting a duplicate image of an [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]], filename 'RKG-3 GRENADE REPLICA.jpg' and I thought I should share it to see what you and the other senior admins think of it. Below is the bulk of the message in its entirety:

"Hello,

Thank you for the image update on IMFDB, we didn’t load those images originally due to copyright issues and chose to use an image from our company website instead. Any questions you have regarding ordnance or weapons feel free to send an email. Thank you and any questions, please do not hesitate to let me know.

Sincerely,

M. Patrick Jordan
Sales and Logistics

INERT PRODUCTS, LLC.
INERT EXPLOSIVE TRAINING PRODUCTS
Email - Sales@Inertproducts.com
Phone: 1-570-341-3751
Fax: 570-300 -1693
http://www.inertproducts.com"

If I'm interpreting this correctly, it sounds like someone uploaded a copyrighted image without permission and the owners of the image emailed me to thank me for removing it. What do you think? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==Deseart Eagle page edit==
Hey, I know your not the original creator but since you the second person to work on it and the original creator doesn't have a page, I figured I would ask you. I was wondering if I can fix up the Desert Eagle page by turning the lists into tables and ordering them in the correct time line. I just wanted your permission before I started screwing around on that page. Thanks, --[[User:ThePotShot|ThePotShot]] 23:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
PS:Same with the Colt Python page. Thanks again.

==Small image upload problem==
I just tried to upload a new version of this [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ATeamS2_2006.jpg] image, but for some reason it wont show. I tried reverting to it, but to no avail.
Can you do something about this? Thanks in advance! --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

Thanks for answering, but no, it still does not work. When I try to replace a screenshot the first time it refuses to do so and ''re-uploads the original'' instead http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ATeamS2_2009.jpg.
The one picture that seems to work only has a working thumbnail. Try clicking the picture and it will redirect you to the old version. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

Alright, I had to upload them on a German site, imageshack isnt working for me. All of the pictures are replacements for old ones, mostly by Ben41.

Image:ATeamS2 2010.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/YaExce/92636f426b.jpg

Image:ATeamS2 2013.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/Twizs9/fe9f2b64f5.jpg

Note how this one was actually replaced, but the thumbnail in the article hasn't changed...:

Image:ATeamS2 2009.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/SADs3Y/8a67f57a96.jpg

...while the thumbnail for this one changed, but actual pic wasn´t replaced:

Image:ATeamS2 2006.jpg

http://image-upload.de/image/ZGOmxt/1cf76d3fc1.jpg

Image:ATeamS2 2005.jpg
http://image-upload.de/image/Cz4I8p/cbc91f355f.jpg
Since IMFDB is all about quality I figured that they should make way for improved screncaps.

Thank you for helping with this. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]]

==Template:FeaturedArticle==
Would it be okay if I changed the pics on the [[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]] & [[Live Free or Die Hard]] Featured Article? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:08, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I changed them, if you think they're lame now. Please revert them back to yours or tell me and I'll do it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==Member having trouble creating an account on forum==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/User:Milkovich

he wrote to me:
:** Well, my account remains deactivated. Attempted to make a new thread and post replies, but nothing works. I also checked my spam folder to see if I got an e-mail with some sort of activation link (just in case), but no e-mail was ever send. :--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Have any advice for him? :) regards [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

==Feature article problems==
Sometimes the feature article is not showing up on the main page. I think it has just started in the last few days. It may have been doing it before, but I never noticed. Could it be the number of articles on the feature list, even though it's random? 3 new articles have been added in the last few days, I've added one of them. I usually try to take an old article off before adding another. Just wondering what the problem could be.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

==Note my comment to the NUTCASE 'inventor' on the Total Recall Page==
If he were real he would NOT be talking to a lawyer. Despite being a gun inventor, he sounds like a kid when he writes. In order to be liable, one must inflict some sort of 'damage' whether to reputation, marketing, sales, review, etc. This guy is 2 bottles short of a sixpack based on his comments. I have no problem telling him where to shove it. (his rant was moved to discussion page and my response as well) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Axeman and Lost Images ==

On the [[Lost]] page, the user Axeman keeps reverting the screencaps back to originals he put up. Axeman's images weren't cropped and were too dark. I put up a comparison of his images next to mine on the Lost Discussion page. I think mine would be preferable, but I want to get some other opinions. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

== Question ==

Ok, Question I need to ask.

I notice that this website operates alot like a wiki. How did you do that? Does it cost money to operate a website like this? The reason I am asking this is because I have my own Wiki, but, do to circumstances beyond my control, I must find a new home for this wiki. Why? Simple: Because the new layout SUCKS! Also I know this is asking alot, but Do you now a way I could do this change quickly? However the big thing is making act like a wiki, but having the good old layout that you somehow have. So please answer back.

P.S. Sweet 870. :) [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 20:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

== Delete this page? ==

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/March_13%2C_2008

What is it for and do we need it? [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]] 06:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== Not allowing PNG's ==

Someone noted that if we're discouraging uploading of PNG files, then it should be removed as an acceptable format on the upload page. This has been asked in the forum, but is there a way to do that? Is there a way to just restrict the uploading of files to just JPG's only? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

==Searching Images==
In the "Screenshot" category, is there any way to increase the number of images seen in the page? Currently you can only search for 200 images at a time, and with the amount of images we now have, it takes forever just to get through the "A"'s. Another way maybe to put the Alphabetical index up there like the one seen on the Main Page? Thanks for your time. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:01, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

== Email ==

I tried to email you about that message you left on my talk page, but I never got a reply. So, um, hi? [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*Ok, I've sent you another. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 13:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

==New Web Design Error?==
When I log in, the new website design is gone and the old one appears, but when I open a picture, the new website design reappears again. Not sure if this is just my browser or something. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:30, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Forum Error==
When I tried to access the forum, I get this message

"Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@forum.imfdb.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/2.2.17 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.17 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_bwlimited/1.4 Server at forum.imfdb.org Port 80"-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:36, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Forum Error IIb==
Most of the links keep taking me back to the home page. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:50, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Database error ==

Um, hi. You propably haven't seen me before, I'm [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]]. The message on the main page said to contact you if any problems appeared. Well... I can't see any screenshots (or any pictures at all), as if they have disappeared into thin air. I just get a message like this: "Error creating thumbnail: File seems to be missing: /home/imfdb/tmp/5/54/24S7E4_H&K_MP7A12.JPG" on top of a grey area where the picture usually is. I don't know why this is happening, but I hope they get this fixed... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 03:06, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Taking out PNG's ==

Since you're upgrading, is there still no way of removing PNG's from the permitted file types on the upload page? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:25, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Upload Page problems ==

Just letting you know that after I upload an image, the final image page doesn't recognize that I've logged in (so I can't delete any images if I need to). Also the "upload file" command is missing on the left side in the "toolbox". It's useful when I'm uploading multiple images that I don't have to go back to another page to do it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:02, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Deleting history ==

I want to delete the history on my page, so it can't be reverted or accessed. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:23, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Still having problems uploading ==

You're welcome with the RB page. Here's the problem I'm still having. When I click on a picture and brought to that picture's page, the site doesn't show that I'm logged in even though I am. Also when I'm on that picture page, I use to be able to go to the "toolbox" on the left side and be able to click "upload file". It's missing now on the picture page only.

Here's the snap of a page as it looks now. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:36, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

[[Image:Picture page.jpg|thumb|800px|none|Note in the upper right it only says "Logged in" and then on the right there's no "upload file" command in the toolbox.]]

== One more Thing ==

The top ad is not centered anymore (probably because the side ads are gone). Are you planning to put up the side ads again? While it's nice to have more space for editing, if it helps to pay the bills, I would say go ahead. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:59, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

==Where's the Forum link?==

Dude, I can't get to the forum. What's happening? --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 01:43, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

==S&W links don't ==

I keep clicking on all the Smith & Wesson links and I go directly to the page for ''[[Smith]]''. Here see what happens. [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:29, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== H&K links don't work ==

All the Heckler & Koch links redirect to a deleted page titled "Hecker". Ex. - [[Heckler & Koch MP5]]. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 01:27, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

Talk:Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

2010-09-14T22:10:58Z

Kilgore: /* The Patriot */

== This Game is the best game. ==

Ok, it's not the best game but it's one of the best games of all time. It's basically an awesome Bond Movie. It has a awesome pre-title sequence (The Virtous Mission), a great title sequence with an awesome song (You know the one i'm talking about), a bond girl (EVA), fights with various henchmen (Cobras, Ocelot), Q (Sigint) and a incredibly ridiculous stereotypical evil enemy (Volgin and his cronies). It's the best game on the PS2. It also got great voice acting and extremely awesome and ridiculous stuff like when EVA dropsaults Ocelot with a '''motorcycle'''. Even though i got some complaints the game is still one of the best games of all time.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:Sure is, I really like Ocelot in this game, he is so badass with his revolver tricks and that hand gesture he does all the time. I also like how the game has you use survival tactics too, such as finding food, and treating your injuries. It was this game got me into MGS.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
::I also like how Ocelot kinda admires Snake. I also like how Ocelot is basically a Cowboy and how Snake says that the engraving on his SAA ins't useful tatical wise. I just love this game. I think I'm the only one that laughed in MGS2 when there was the easter egg where snake is caught having a....ugh...erm... a ''happy time'' in a locker. Or was it MGS1? Anyway, i have some complaints about the game though. Like how EVA is supposed to be chinese and she looks extremely american or all the anachroisms (I probably spelled that wrong) or how Snake spergs out about guns.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:::If I remember correctly, and it's possible I may not because I haven't played MGS3 in a while, Eva was actually American but had been kidnapped by the Philosophers and sent to China, where she grew up in an orphanage-type place and was trained as a Chinese agent. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
::I don't know but she's either Chinese or an american that defected to the chinese or she could be what you just said, Spartan.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::She could be based on those Americans who was captured during the Korean war, in which they been indoctrinated about the Chinese Communism. When the war was over, they were released and starting to promote Communism in U.S. However Eva is not captured, so I guess she was either left behind by her American parents in China (could be Shanghai) when Mao Zedong won the Chinese Civil war and send to an orphanage or she was kidnapped by the Chinese Philosophers and train her into an agent. - Han

I remember this was the most played Metal Gear Solid game I've ever own. I would play it over and over more than my remake of MGS1 and MGS2. When MGS4 came out, I still had time to play the 3rd one again because of the story and gameplay. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Airsoft 1911 ==

[[Image:Snake_.45-2.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Snake's custom M1911: in reality, a custom airsoft gun made by Sheriff Co. of Japan.]]

I dont think thats the model they used in the game. First of all, it was a Government model, and on its slide it had 90 degree serrations like the GI M1911A1(Both on the front and on the back). The grip safety was a standard m1911a1 grip safety, but was edited in some regions. The trigger had 5 or 6 holes in it. It had a threaded black barrel, and the wooden grips were cut to accomodate a cqc knife. That 1911 may look similar to untrained eyes, but it's quite different from what Big Boss had in Op.Snake Eater.

:Actually, the custom M1911A1 Naked Snake uses has ''no grip safety whatsoever''. This is mentioned during radio conversations with Sigint. --Orca*

Could someone try to get a screencap of it from the menu rather than using the one from my site, and don't try to deny it, I edited it to remove the markings on the slide.
-Crimson.
This 1911 looks more like a colt XSE to me...-izak 99

this is the exact copy, more or less.. just an airsoft replica, copy paste the link*
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.y-cw.com/hal-12b.htm&ei=IIsUSsbuE9HVlQf4qrTFAw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnm%2B7267719%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DADBS,ADBS:2006-45,ADBS:en

Moved this into discussion. As I also noted in the MGS4 discussion, the airsoft gun in the picture has little more than a slight superficial resemblance to the weapon in the game. The link above seems to be a more accurate replica of the pistol in the game.

== Slide lock on the tranq pistols ==
Why is it Snake never simply ''disengages'' the slide lock on the tranq pistols in these games in order to enable them to cycle on their own? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Best guess is that the rounds don't have the power to fully cycle the slide on their own.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

its so that it is quieter apperently. if he fires without the slide lock it will become louder---[[Special:Contributions/92.12.88.35|92.12.88.35]] 15:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC) i think that is from the manual or something, cos i definatly is true
:Personally I'd rather have a slightly ''louder'' pistol that can cycle on its own rather than a slightly ''quieter'' one that's, in effect, a "bolt action" pistol. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes I wish the game let the player disengage the slide-lock on the tranq pistols when you're not using it with a suppressor. That would make it more useful in boss fights or other situations where you want to use non-lethal force but either don't have suppressors for the Hush Puppy or don't want to use one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

:As I understand it, the S&W Model 39's used for ''Hush Pupppy's'' were irreversibly modified -- the slide-lock function could not be disengaged. A later version of the slide-lock pistol was the Beretta M9, and its modification, while also permanent, permitted the weapon to be disengaged from a manual reloading function into semiautomatic function. Snake, however, was NOT PERMITTED TO ENGAGE during the ''Virtuous Mission'', the operation in which he was issued the Mk.22. Hence, the added silence of a slide-lock pistol, the ammunition, etc., were not meant for direct combat -- they were meant for sneaking. The same thing goes for Solid Snake in MGS2 -- sneaking mission, stealth only, do not kill Marines. Than the Russians came... And Snake picked up a USP, first chance he got. ;) --Orca*

::I really don't think what Snake was or wasn't permitted to do is at all relevant. As with any black operation, there's always the possibility that you can be compromised and engaged yourself. When SEALs or some other SOF team goes on a recon mission where their ROE don't permit them to engage, the whole team doesn't take M4s modified to be hand-cycled only, do they? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:::Wouldn't know -- not a SEAL. But I imagine they have, in addition to their primaries, some sort of option for silent killing from a ranged distance -- the Mk.22 was developed to kill guard dogs; something that SF teams wouldn't be able to easily sneak up on and stab (or whatever). The Mk.22 represented in MGS3 uses that aspect, of 'the most silence possible from a distance', because solo ops were a FOX UNIT selling point to the CIA, who would organize them into an official unit if they succeeded in a completely undetectable rescue -- no deaths on either side, objective achieved, no traces to the US. Supposedly, even Snake's shell casings were unmarked, to say nothing of the tranquilizer load. Invisibility; on a physical and politcal scale, that was the mission as the story tells it, and so the Mk.22 was seen as the best choice to send Snake, already lightly loaded, in with. --Orca*

Where exactly are you getting that the Mk. 22 was developed specifically to "kill guard dogs"? Having an extra gun on you specifically to kill a few guard dogs that:
1. may or may not be there
2. are likely within full view of their handlers
seems incredibly superfluous when any silenced pistol would do the job equally well. Forgive me if I'm a tad bit skeptical of that claim. -- K [[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 17:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Reloading while carrying a knife ==

I understand the tactics behind holding a knife in your reaction hand while you grip the weapon, but in reloading, that's just one extra thing you have to worry about not dropping. How would you get a good grasp of the spare mag while holding onto a knife. Snake seems to have no problems but it just occurred to me that trying this in real life can be very dangerous. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

:It's even worse in MGS4 where apparently no one has ever heard of bayonets and always has a knife in the off-hand. It's part of the bias towards the gun-and-knife tactics of CQC that the series gained since MGS3. One way I think the reload could work with the knife in your off hand is if you grip the knife with your ring and pinky finger while using your thumb, index, and middle fingers to grip the mag. The real answer, however, would require that you look closely at the reload animations in this game or MGS4 to find out how they do it. They're all motion-captured, so they all have to be something real human beings can do. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 17:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
::It's not that they've never heard of bayonets. It's that bayonets are a clumsy, antiquated last ditch weapon. They are good in practice for basically one thing, and that is to (hopefully) turn your assault rifle into something like a spear which you will somehow manage to stab your enemy with before he fills you full of messy holes. You fix bayonets when you are out of bullets, grenades, helmets to throw at the other guy, air support and better ideas. In the close-quarters combat techniques that MGS' CQC is based on, the actual purpose of a knife is not merely as a cutting and slashing weapon; the knife serves as a method of controlling an opponent using pain-compliance and leverage. Granted I never saw anyone carry their knife like that ''all the time'', but then if I've been within a hundred miles of some special forces unit, they never bothered to come over and ask if I'd build 'em a house or something. I've definitely never seen anyone just running around with their bayonet fixed though. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 00:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's an experiment to try: Get a gun in one hand and a steak knife in the other. Hold the knife with the blade down just like Big Boss does. Now eject the magazine. Just let it drop, dont worry about it. Now pick it back up or find a new magazine. Do so by gripping the knife with your ring finger and pinky and clamping it against your palm. It keeps it in place and keeps it stable. Use your thumb, index finger, and middle finger to manipulate the magazine and rack the slide. Resume your grip and go about your day. It might sound complicated but even doing it four or fives times it starts to get easier. Big Boss holds his gun like this EVERY SINGLE TIME. So inconclusion it isnt that dangerous or awkward. go ahead and try it for yourself.

-Double Agent M

:I rather not recommend random people online to try a trick that an ingame "professional" can do. As I said, if you aren't careful, you could end up stabbing yourself in the gut. The point of reloading is to get a firm and complete grip on the spare mags and then get it out and into the gun as efficiently as possible. Not doing it super speed like some people would try, but even doing it slowly, you'd have to mentally check the knife with that blade sticking out. You'd need to train yourself constantly with a fake knife before using a live blade. Otherwise, the chances for an amateur to stab himself is very high. And I don't want anyone to point back on my article if I say "hey, try this at home and NOT end up stabbing yourself with a steak Knife". if you reload without a complete grip on the mag, you might drop it or the knife. Remember this is Big Boss! And Solid Snake can do it as well, though oddly enough he never did that in Metal Gear Solid, or MGS2. Solid Snake only started to do the knife and handgun combo after MGS3 when we've known about Big Boss's early years and also Solid Snake's Mk 23 was replaced with a 1911 to emulate Big Boss [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I agree with Excalibur. That's not something the average person should try. But I should point out that Snake's knife is a lot smaller than a kitchen knife. I myself, while not technically a trained professional, ''do'' know my way around with a blade and did a little test run with one of my boot knives. Turns out, it actually ''isn't'' that awkward (though still quite dangerous). When I grab my mags, I contort my wrist to the right (thumb toward the body) and grab with my thumb, pointer, and index fingers. Holding the knife like Snake does, the blade faces ''away'' from me when I reach for a mag. So the moral here is (A) kids, ''do not'' try this at home and (B) it's actually not that hard to firmly hold both knife and magazine. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

But apparently in MGS4, Solid Snake does the knife combo with pretty much all of his guns if I am not mistaken. Imagine trying to grasp a rifle magazine while holding a knife [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

:Not that difficult, either. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I just think that holding a knife at the same time wouldbe just as extra thing to worry about and sure, a knife is good in CQB, but i doubt it will be useful having it out when you are in the open. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

:Not if your an expert at it. ;)

== The Patriot ==

It actually resembles the Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol seen in movie "Congo" and "Soldier",but this one most probably tricked out from M16A1 upper receiver with it's buttstock removed combined with the Patiot's lower receiver,and were given the M231 PFW firing mode.

*I'll see if I can get a screencap; I think the old image that was here was a real-life mock-up ''made'' from an RMA Patriot to look like the MGS4 Patriot, but I seem to recall the 3 Patriot looked ''far'' closer to the M231. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:It did. It even had the threaded handguard. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

But it can't be a M231 FPW, the game takes place in 1964 and the M231 FPW was not designed until 1979! It may look like the M231 FPW but it's probably just a custom XM16E1. As far as the full-auto only goes, maybe the developers thought it did not single-fire because it's unlimited. On a side note, Konami must of took the term "tumble rounds" wrong. The first time you see the Boss fire the Patriot, you see the 5.56 bullets fly in slow-mo and they actually tumble end over end in the air! O_o

Listen, Konami doesn't know much about guns (Including the bullets as well), so it is most likely the wet-dream of they think a "special" M-16 carbine would look like. They don't know a lot about history either, dispite the game takes place in the 1960's. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:16 Blocks

2010-09-14T21:55:24Z

Kilgore: /* 20 year old Spartan? */

==20 year old Spartan?==
So in the context of this film (which I have not seen), a gun is 20 years old, thus it's considered surprising that it fires? WTF? A gun is not like a perishable fruit or something like that. Also the Spartan was made by Baikal for Remington, thus it can't be 20 years old. 20 years ago, there was still a Soviet Union and Baikal is a Russian manufacturer. I just found this statement funny... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
: I wouldn't go and shoot a gun that had been sitting around unfired and without maintenance for a couple years.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:: There are tons of weapons throughout households in the United States, which are oiled, put away in a safe for years that are just fine. What maintenance do you need? It's not like it's a CAR you drove 100K miles. I sure wouldn't hesitate to use a gun that was 20 years old if it looked okay. Like I said before, it's not like guns are perishable items like fruit. And yes, I own hundreds of guns that I have not fired in at least 20 years. There is nothing wrong with them. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 09:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:If I had to shoot it I would clean it 1st-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 11:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::And what if it was put away in a humidity controlled safe already cleaned and oiled? Doing a safety check is always recommended, but I need to put to rest this misconception that guns somehow become magically unsafe when stored for years in a clean, dry environment. They don't. I just recently pulled a Winchester Model 1200 that had been in a climate controlled vault (dust free) since 1989, I looked at it, threw it in a gun rug and took it to the range. Guess what? It shot FINE. MPM

:Turns out I goofed when I made the original description; Willis' character actually said the SHELLS loaded in the gun were over 20 years old, not the gun itself. Using old ammo can be a rather dicy proposition. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 20:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::At the risk of dredging up an old argument, 20 years isn't that old for ammo. I've shot ammo from 1934 without incident. - [[Nyles]]

Would it be possible to get some much bigger pictures for this article? Or make the existing ones bigger? I think it's a shame they're so small. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 21:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I think we got of subject. He originally stated that the gun is said to 20+ years old, when the gun was manufactured by a Soviet factory when America and the Communists in Russia were not exactly on friendly terms, so unless it is meant to be an American made gun (and the movie makers didn't really care who made it), the shotgun should'nt be there. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lethal Weapon 4

2010-09-14T21:45:46Z

Kilgore: /* AWB Poster */

That poster in the police office is insulting and stupid, as it says "All CIVILIAN assault weapons should be banned", and then shows four civilian guns that are considered "assault weapons". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yes, take those out. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Type 56-1==
Note: Not an AK-47 as originally thought, not with the folding stock, and considering the fact that the sight was most likely hooded, it must be a Type 56-1.

:I don't think it's a Type 56. The Type 56-2 (which is the version with the side-folding stock) has a different stock design than that. The Type 56 also retains the smooth receiver cover of the older AK-47 models (as opposed to the strengthened ribbed design of the AKM), but that rifle looks like it might have a ribbed one. East German MPiKMs ''do'' have stocks that look like that and ribbed receiver covers, so I'm guessing it might be one of those. I would need to see the front sight, as well as the receiver, in better detail to figure out whether it's a Type 56.

::It's either an East German or Romanian side folding stock. It has to be an AKM, not a Type 56, because the side folding stocks don't fit on the Chinese receivers. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1]]
[[Image:Type56-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]

==AKM==
:This one is a Type 56 with the "pig sticker" removed (though the front sight still has the mount for it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Are you sure? I thought it was an AKM because of the slanted muzzle. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Plenty of Chinese Type 56s have slant muzzle breaks. Look at the picture on my user page and you can see that my own Chinese AK has one. If it has the wider .75" front sight, it's a Type 56. Also, the mounting for the pig sticker beneath the front sight is unique to the Type 56. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== AWB Poster ==
[[Image:LWAWB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Uzi|Uzi Carbine]], [[Micro Uzi|Uzi Pistol]], [[Heckler & Koch HK94]], and an [[Heckler & Koch SP89]] are all on the poster.]]
::^BOO! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Haha lol agreed! Even though they are cops and have to deal with getting shot at every day. But still: 16 inch barrels and 15 round magazines? Come on. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::::Reminds me of a poster I saw in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::::::Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::In the film ''[[Assassins]]'' an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::::Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Beretta 92FS ==

I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle,
because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.

But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again,
Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.

==AKMS==
'''[moved from main]'''--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

:This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44
:::Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -[[User:sigger9mm|sigger9mm]]
:::: There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp

== Laser Grips ==

So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.187.78|129.89.187.78]] 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)

Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?
[[Image:LW92floor.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==Riggs' Beretta==
In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in [[Die Hard 2]] and [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]], but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. [[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]]--[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Interesting, I didn't read about that. --[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Firing under water? ==

Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

User:Kilgore

2010-09-13T00:56:53Z

Kilgore:

== Declassified information ==

Name: John

Location: Florida

Age: Classified

Occupation: Classified

== Please Note ==
I do not have an account on the IMFDB Forum because I do not give my e-mail address to any site, no exceptions. I still am very active on IMFDB itself and will not mind if you post something from the forum on my talk page that may be of use.

== Why is My Username ''"Kilgore"''? ==
[[Image:Patton523.jpg|thumb|right|280px|"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived" - Gen. George S. Patton, June 7 1945.]]

Well, Kilgore was the last name of the character played by [[Robert Duvall]] in the 1979 Vietnam War movie "Apocalypse Now". [[Robert Duvall]] portrayed Kilgore in a way that reminded me of one of me heroes, General George Smith Patton III, the General who lead America to victory(Eisenhower took most of the credit), would have killed the dumb SOB Adolf Hitler(if Hitler was not a filthy coward) and would have been President if He had not died in car crash. Col. Kilgore reminded Me of Patton and because nobody but Patton and his Family are worthy of bearing his name, I took the next best thing.
[[Image:Lieutenant-colonel-bill-kilgore-apocalypsenow34526.jpg|thumb|none|385px|"I Love the smell of Napalm in the Morning" - Robert Duvall as Col. William Kilgore, 1979]]

== '''Hall of Badassery''' ==

=== Audie Murphy ===
[[Image:Audie Murphy.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1924 - May 28, 1971)]]

Audie Murphy joined the United States Army at age 16 in 1942. He was 5'5" and weighted 110 pounds. Before that, He had tryed to join the Marines and Air Force and they bothed laughed at him. He almost became a cook after he passed out halfway through training, but he insisted on being one of the regular grunts, so they sent to fight with the 3rd Infantry Division.

He was promoted to Corporal durring the Invasion of Sicily thanks to his amazing shooting skills. It was when He was in Italy, he also caught malaria and had it for the rest of the war.

Later, when the 3rd Infantry was sent into southern France in 1944, They encountered a German machine gun crew who pretended they were surrendering when they opened fire, killing one of his best friends. Murphy then killed everyone in the gun nest, then used their weaponry to kill every kraut in a 100-yard radius, including two more machine gun nests and serveral snipers. He received the Distiguished Service Cross and was made a platoon commander.

For the next serveral weeks, his division suffered more than 4,500 casualties and he was later sent to an army hospital after being wounded by a sniper.

After 10 weeks in the hospital, his division was sent to defend Holtzwihr, France even though he had only 19 men who were still alive. He had a few M-10 Tank Destroyers, but they were destroyed in just a few minutes. He and His men hid a trench and took pot shots at the Germans until they were out of ammo, then, in another act of reality-defying heroics, mounted a .50 cal machine gun attached to a burning M10 with a full tank of gas, and mowed down everything that was still standing. Then, in something that looks like it was from an action movie, the tank blew up behind him as he walked away.

After the war, he took drugs for Shellshock, but became addicted to the meds. He quit cold-turkey by looking himself in a motel room for a week and when he came out, he wasn't addicted anymore.

He later made a movie about his life, but cut out the most amazing parts for fear that people would not believe it. The movie was the highest-grossing film Universal made, a record it held for 20 years until Jaws.

List of Awards Audie Leon Murphy won.

* Medal of Honor

* Distinguished Service Cross

* Silver Star with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Legion of Merit

* Bronze Star with "V" Device and First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Purple Heart with Second Oak Leaf Cluster

* U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal

* Good Conduct Medal

* Distinguished Unit Emblem with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* American Campaign Medal

* European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France)

* World War II Victory Medal

* Army of Occupation with German Clasp

* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

* Combat Infantryman Badge

* Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar

* Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar

* French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre

* French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier

* French Croix de Guerre with Silver Star

* French Croix de Guerre with Palm

* Medal of Liberated France

* Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm

===Theodore Roosevelt===
(Under Development)
[[Image:Teddyroughrider.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

==== Simo Häyhä ====
[[Image:Simo Hayha-3.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Simo Hayha]]
Simo Hayha, nicknamed "White Death", was a Finnish farmer who served in the military from 1925 until 1940, but during the Winter War, using a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant Rifle]] and [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43#Suomi M31|Suomi M31 SMG]], He took a couple cans of foods and hide in tree, and then He went on to kill '''705''' Russians in just '''100''' Days! On March 6th, 1940, He was shot in the jaw, but he managed to lived. He died in 2002. Remember, He killed more then 700 Russians in less then 100 days in -40 degrees celsius.
[[Image:Untitled-39000.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The very same weapons used by Simo Hayha Himself!]]

User:Kilgore

2010-09-13T00:19:27Z

Kilgore: /* People who show what being a Major Hero takes! */

== Declassified information ==

Name: John

Location: Florida

Age: Classified

Occupation: Classified

== Please Note ==
I do not have an account on the IMFDB Forum because I do not give my e-mail address to any site, no exceptions. I still am very active on IMFDB itself and will not mind if you post something from the forum on my talk page that may be of use.

== Why is My Username ''"Kilgore"''? ==
[[Image:Patton523.jpg|thumb|right|280px|"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived" - Gen. George S. Patton, June 7 1945.]]

Well, Kilgore was the last name of the character played by [[Robert Duvall]] in the 1979 Vietnam War movie "Apocalypse Now". [[Robert Duvall]] portrayed Kilgore in a way that reminded me of one of me heroes, General George Smith Patton III, the General who lead America to victory(Eisenhower took most of the credit), would have killed the dumb SOB Adolf Hitler(if Hitler was not a filthy coward) and would have been President if He had not died in car crash. Col. Kilgore reminded Me of Patton and because nobody but Patton and his Family are worthy of bearing his name, I took the next best thing.
[[Image:Lieutenant-colonel-bill-kilgore-apocalypsenow34526.jpg|thumb|none|385px|"I Love the smell of Napalm in the Morning" - Robert Duvall as Col. William Kilgore, 1979]]

== '''Hall of Badassery''' ==

=== Audie Murphy ===
[[Image:Audie Murphy.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1924 - May 28, 1971)]]

Audie Murphy joined the United States Army at age 16 in 1942. He was 5'5" and weighted 110 pounds. Before that, He had tryed to join the Marines and Air Force and they bothed laughed at him. He almost became a cook after he passed out halfway through training, but he insisted on being one of the regular grunts, so they sent to fight with the 3rd Infantry Division.

He was promoted to Corporal durring the Invasion of Sicily thanks to his amazing shooting skills. It was when He was in Italy, he also caught malaria and had it for the rest of the war.

Later, when the 3rd Infantry was sent into southern France in 1944, They encountered a German machine gun crew who pretended they were surrendering when they opened fire, killing one of his best friends. Murphy then killed everyone in the gun nest, then used their weaponry to kill every kraut in a 100-yard radius, including two more machine gun nests and serveral snipers. He received the Distiguished Service Cross and was made a platoon commander.

For the next serveral weeks, his division suffered more than 4,500 casualties and he was later sent to an army hospital after being wounded by a sniper.

After 10 weeks in the hospital, his division was sent to defend Holtzwihr, France even though he had only 19 men who were still alive. He had a few M-10 Tank Destroyers, but they were destroyed in just a few minutes. He and His men hid a trench and took pot shots at the Germans until they were out of ammo, then, in another act of reality-defying heroics, mounted a .50 cal machine gun attached to a burning M10 with a full tank of gas, and mowed down everything that was still standing. Then, in something that looks like it was from an action movie, the tank blew up behind him as he walked away.

After the war, he took drugs for Shellshock, but became addicted to the meds. He quit cold-turkey by looking himself in a motel room for a week and when he came out, he wasn't addicted anymore.

He later made a movie about his life, but cut out the most amazing parts for fear that people would not believe it. The movie was the highest-grossing film Universal made, a record it held for 20 years until Jaws.

List of Awards Audie Leon Murphy won.

* Medal of Honor

* Distinguished Service Cross

* Silver Star with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Legion of Merit

* Bronze Star with "V" Device and First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Purple Heart with Second Oak Leaf Cluster

* U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal

* Good Conduct Medal

* Distinguished Unit Emblem with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* American Campaign Medal

* European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France)

* World War II Victory Medal

* Army of Occupation with German Clasp

* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

* Combat Infantryman Badge

* Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar

* Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar

* French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre

* French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier

* French Croix de Guerre with Silver Star

* French Croix de Guerre with Palm

* Medal of Liberated France

* Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm

=== Simo Häyhä ===
[[Image:Simo Hayha-3.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Simo Hayha]]
Simo Hayha, nicknamed "White Death", was a Finnish farmer who served in the military from 1925 until 1940, but during the Winter War, using a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant Rifle]] and [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43#Suomi M31|Suomi M31 SMG]], He took a couple cans of foods and hide in tree, and then He went on to kill '''705''' Russians in just '''100''' Days! On March 6th, 1940, He was shot in the jaw, but he managed to lived. He died in 2002. Remember, He killed more then 700 Russians in less then 100 days in -40 degrees celsius.

[[Image:Untitled-39000.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The very same weapons used by Simo Hayha Himself!]]

=== Theodore Roosevelt ===
Teddy Roosevelt. Rancher, Rough Rider, War Hero, President, Badass.

[[Image:Teddyroughrider.jpg|thumb|right|400px|]]

File:Teddyroughrider.jpg

2010-09-13T00:17:32Z

Kilgore: Theodore Roosevelt

Theodore Roosevelt

Red Dead Redemption

2010-09-13T00:03:32Z

Kilgore: /* Smith & Wesson No. 3 Revolver */

Red Dead Redemption

2010-09-12T23:59:10Z

Kilgore: /* FN Model 1903 */

[[Image:RDRboxart.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Red Dead Redemption (2010)]]

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Red Dead Redemption'':'''

==Handguns==

===[[Single Action Army]]===
In-game, it appears to take it's name and likeness from an 1873
[http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_cattleman_set_lg.jpg Uberti Cattleman Replica.]This is the first handgun you start with and it's good enough to last you through the first third of the game. The game devs pretty much got this gun right except John Marston manages to fire the pistol without pulling back on the hammer. It's considerable ingame but in cinematics it sticks out like a sore thumb. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt SAA "Artillery" model in .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:Uberti boxed 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Uberti "Cattleman" replica.]]
[[Image:Colt Peacemaker RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ready to fire.]]
[[Image:Colt SAA Cattleman.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Mini-map and in-game icon.]]

===[[Volcanic_Repeater|Volcanic Pistol]]===

Called the "Volcanic Pistol" in game. It behaves a lot like the Winchester, but with much less range. It is first available at the gunsmith in Armadillo. Uses Pistol ammunition.

[[Image:Volcanic .jpg |thumb|none|600px|Volcanic Pistol - .31 or .41 caliber.]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|600px|"OVERALL RATING: 4."]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Smith_%26_Wesson_Schofield|Smith & Wesson No. 3 Revolver]]===

Called the "Schofield Revolver" ingame this is given to you when you first get to Mexico. It's basically a direct upgrade over the Cattleman, and is almost as strong as the Volcanic. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.45 Schofield with worn nickel finish.]]
[[Image:N0. 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston admires his revolver.]]

===[[Borchardt C-93]]===
Called 'Semi-Automatic Pistol' In-game. This is the first "new age" handgun that you come across in the game. It looks god awful sticking out of the holster but it is a good firearm. It holds seven shots and can be first purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera once you get to Mexico. Dutch van der Linde uses one in the mission "Great Men are Not Always Wise". A free one can be obtained if the player clears out the Fort Mercer bandit hideout after the mission 'We'll Be Together In Paradise'. Uses Pistol Ammunition.

[[Image:borchardtc93.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Borchardt C-93 - 7.65x25mm Borchardt.]]
[[Image:Reddeadborch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Borchardt Pistol is shown circled in red]]
[[Image:Reddeadborchardt2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In game character holding and aiming a Borchardt Pistol]]

===[[Colt New Service]]===
It is named the 'Double Action Revolver' In-game. It is pretty powerful which must make it a .45 of some sort and it is the fastest firing revolver in the game. It also reloads a little faster than the Schofield and LeMat. It becomes available sometime during the Mexican missions and uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtNewService45LC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Colt New Service Colt 1892 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Nsr.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|close up]]

There is also a (sweet) gold-plated version
[[Image:Golden_DAR.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Shiny]]

===[[LeMat Revolver]]===

Called the "LeMat Revolver" ingame. It is sold at the gunsmith's shop in Escalera but for some reason is not available for purchase until after the Mexican missions. It holds 9 shots but the under barrel shotgun function is not usable. Unlike what the RDR wiki said before the actual game released the reloading is actually fast because it's incorrectly depicted as a break action like the Schofield. This was apparently an idea lifted from the old TV western Johnny Ringo (http://www.johnnyringo.net/Pictures/LeMatopen91CU.jpg). However the look as depicted in-game still shows the lack of a "top strap" and still still shows the nipples used to hold percussion caps. It uses Revolver Ammunition. It is one of the rare weapons.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:LeMat RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John is right eye dominant.]]
[[Image:LeMat revolver RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|In-game icon.]]

===[[Mauser_C96#Mauser_M712_Schnellfeuer| Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]===
The "Schnellfeuer" machine-pistol variant of the Mauser C96 self-loading pistol appears as a regular C96, and is called the "Mauser Pistol" in game. It holds 15 shots and is first available at the gunsmith in Blackwater. It uses Pistol Ammunition. It is one of the rare (or just really expensive) weapons. The fire-rate is multiplayer is much lower than in singleplayer, most likely for balance reasons. Highly anachronistic as the first full-auto C96 variant did not exist before the late 1920s.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pre-War 7.63x25mm Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".]]
[[Image:Savvy merchant caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston urges a prisoner onward.]]
[[Image:RedDeadRedemption_Mauser1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Bargain.]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-xbox-360-139.jpg|thumb|none|600px|shopping !]]

===[[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Model 1903]]===
Edgar Ross give John an [[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Browning 1903 pistol]] with pearl grips in the mission "Bear One Other Man's Burdens". Called the "High Power Pistol" in-game, it is distinguishable from the Colt 1903 Hammerless by it's longer barrel and slide. It uses Pistol ammunition.
[[Image:Browning 1903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN Browning Model 1903 Pistol - 9x20mm Browning Long]]
[[Image:Ross High Power Pistol.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Edgar Ross points an FN 1903 at John Marston before handing to Him]]
[[Image:!908 RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled3.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|Note left side slide lock misplaced on the right, and long slide.]]
[[Image:Redead1903-2.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redead1903-5.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-20100222074908092.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Rifles==
===[[Spencer_1860_Carbine|Spencer Model 1860 Carbine]]===

Called the "Repeating Carbine" ingame. This is the rifle the player starts with and is the weakest. The weapon has a somewhat slow rate of fire compared to later repeaters. It holds 7 shots and uses Repeater Ammunition.

Despite the fact that the real Spencer is loaded from a tube magazine in the butt-stock, the game depicts the rifle as a seven-round repeating breech-loader. Someone didn't do their homework.

[[Image:Spencer 1860 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spencer 1860 Carbine - .56-56 RF.]]
[[Image:Spencer_carbine_RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John clutches his Spencer while glancing out from cover at a firing enemy.]]

===[[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine]]===

Called the "Winchester Repeater" ingame. This is the second rifle that the player gets, it can either be purchased from the gunsmith in Armadillo or received during an early mission soon after. Holds 10 shots and is a very reliable long arm for a good portion of the game. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]]
[[Image:Winchester RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:957922 02102010 screen004.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

looks alittle more like an 1894 winchester to me due to the size of the reciever

===[[Trapdoor_Springfield_Rifle|1873 Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine]]===

Called the "Springfield Rifle" ingame. This can be purchased from the gunsmith in Thieves' Landing and is a great hunting gun.The only real flaw is that expensive Rifle Ammunition is largly unavailable on enemies until late in the Mexican chapter. It unrealistically holds 4 shots instead of one and it appears that John Marston works the gun like a bolt action between shots (he flips the trapdoor up closes it then the hammer gets cocked with no animation). It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 Cavalry Carbine "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70.]]
[[Image:1873.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Krag-Jørgensen|Krag-Jørgensen Rifle]]===

Called the "Bolt Action Rifle" in game. This weapon has a fast reload rate thanks to the stripper clips (which is impossible in real life) and is also pretty powerful. The firing speed is about the same as the Henry Repeater but the range is slightly improved. It can first be purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera, but can be seen in the hands of Mexican soldiers long before then. It holds 5 shots and uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:USKragRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Property Marked Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896 Rifle - .30-40 Krag]]
[[Image:ScreenHunter_01Feb272000.gif|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadrifle1.jpg‎ |600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Henry_1860|1860 Henry Rifle]]===

Called the "Henry Repeater" ingame. This is the third repeating rifle that the player gets, it is first available in Mexico while doing a side quest, which leads into a gang hideout side mission. It holds 12 shots and has a faster firing and reload speed than the Winchester Repeater, though the stopping power is equal. Uses Repeater Ammunition. like the Spencer this rifle is also incorrectly depicted as being reloaded from the receiver, in reality you had to load the cartridges from the front end of the magazine tube

[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry 1860 - .44 RF.]]
[[Image:Henry Rifle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John leans out of a stagecoach and takes aim with his Henry.]]
[[Image:redgoldhenry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-Game Character aiming a Gold Henry Rifle]]

===[[Remington_Rolling_Block|Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle]]===

Fitted with a "Long Malcolm" scope it is called the "Rolling Block Rifle" ingame. The player picks it up during a job for the Mexican military and is the first sniper rifle the player gets. It's single shot and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:Remingtonrollingblock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Rolling Block Militarized - .45 caliber]]
[[Image:Long malcolm.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadlongmalcom1.jpg |thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Evans Repeating Rifle]]===
Classified as a rare weapon according to Rockstar's website. It is called the "Evan's Reapeater" ingame. It is first available for purchase at the gunsmith in Blackwater and holds 22 shots rather than the real life 34 (but that is understandable). It has practically the same power as the Winchester and Henry but with just double the capacity and a somewhat faster reload speed. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:EvansA.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadevans1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Evans Repeater 2 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:evansrepeater2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Carcano_Rifle_Series|Carcano Rifle]]===

Called the "Carcano Rifle" in-game. It is first available for purchase from the gunsmith in Blackwater. It is basically a combination of the Rolling Block Rifle and Bolt Action Rifle. It holds five shots and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:CarcanoM91Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carcano M91 Rifle - 6.5mm.]]
[[Image:32.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
interestingly the rifle as depicted in game has a straight bolt handle, which would seem to make it unable to cycle with the scope attached, also the use of stripper clips would, in reality, not be able to be used
[[Image:Carcano rifle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadcarcano12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|View through the Scope of The Carcano Rifle]]
an anarchistic feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs, in other words the reticle should have looked much like the Remington Rolling blocks scope reticle

===[[Sharps#Sharps_1874_Long_Range|Sharps 1874 Long Range]]===

Called the 'Buffalo Rifle' in-game. It is the most powerful rifle in the game (hence the name) and can be purchased after getting Rank 5 in the Master Hunter challenges. The weapon reloads pretty fast (like John Quigley fast) and only fires one shot at a time. When used from cover there is an annoying glitch where John will reload while exposed to gunfire rather than loading another shot while in cover. It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UbertiSharps1874longrange.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 Long Range rifle w/ 34" barrel, Vernier peep sight, and Lyman Beach front sight - .45-70.]]
[[Image:Sharps_1874_RDR_2.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Shotguns==

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun|Side-by-Side Shotgun Model 1878]]===
This weapon can be bought in Armadillo Gunsmith.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed Off Shotgun]]===
Can be bought in Thieves' Landing Gunsmith.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn Off RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn-Off_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|The description for the sawn-off as seen on the offical website]]
[[Image:reddeadsawnoff3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Browning Auto-5]]===
The [[Browning Auto-5]] shotgun , called the "Semi-auto Shotgun" in-game, holds 5 rounds and can be bought from the Gunsmith at Escalera for $1000 after completing "We Shall Be Together in Paradise" and unlocking access to Mexico.
[[Image:BrowAut5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning Auto 5 (pre WW2) - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Browning auto-5 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Remington 11 Browning Auto 5 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rdr twscreen bonnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Winchester Model 1897]]===
You get it in the mission "And the Truth Will Set You Free",used by a thug.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester Model 1897 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Winchester 1897 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

A gold version exists in multiplayer.
[[Image:Golden_M1897_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|Sweet]]

==Others==

===[[Gatling Gun]]===
Has unlimited ammunition. It is first used in the mission "The Assault on Fort Mercer".
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Gatling RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Cannon===
Found mostly in multiplayer.
[[Image:RDR Cannon.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Maxim|Maxim 1895]]===
Incorectly called the "Browning Gun" in-game, it is used mounted on a prototype armored truck in the mission "And You Will Know The Truth" and damaged at the end of the mission when the armored truck tips over. Dutch van der Linde uses one at his fort in Cochinay against John Marston and the U.S. Army in the mission "And The Truth Will Set You Free".
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
[[Image:Maxim RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Dynamite]]===

[[Image:Dynamite RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Molotov_Cocktail|Firebottle]]===
[[Image:Firebottle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Knife===
[[Image:Expert hunter caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Or at least a f**king idiot would do so,too,but discrimination is wrong]]
[[Image:Throwing_knife_RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The knife is the only silenced weapon in the game!]]

===Rope===
[[Image:78.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Western Video Game]]

File:Ross High Power Pistol.jpg

2010-09-12T23:57:52Z

Kilgore: Red Dead Redemption - Edgar Ross points an FN 1903 at John Marston before handing to Him

Red Dead Redemption - Edgar Ross points an FN 1903 at John Marston before handing to Him

Maxim

2010-09-12T23:39:06Z

Kilgore: messed up a bit

The Maxim was the world's first true machine gun that was manufactured across the world in many different variations during the late 19th/early 20th century.

'''The Maxim variants can be seen in the following:'''

==Maxim 1895==
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
===Film===
* ''[[Rough Riders]]'' (1895 Argentine Maxim)
* ''[[Northwest Frontier]]'' (1959)
* ''[[Breaker Morant]]''
=== Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

* ''[[Lock_'n_Load_With_R._Lee_Ermey|Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey]]
 

===Video Games===
*[[Red Dead Redemption]]

==Maxim MG08==
[[Image:MaximMG08.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim MG08 7.92x57mm Mauser on 'sledge' mount]]

German-adopted version of the Maxim gun, adopted in 1908 and classified MG'08 accordingly. Usually seen on it's unique four-legged 'sledge' mounting which could be folded up to drag the gun across the ground.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight, Gun Only - 58lb 5oz (26.44kg)
*Weight, On 'Sledge' Mounting - 136lb 11oz (62kg)
*O/A Length: 46.25in (1175mm)
*Barrel length: 28.3 in (719 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser

===Film===
* ''[[Legends of the Fall]]'' (1994)

* ''[[Wind and the Lion, The|The Wind and the Lion]]'' (1975)

* ''[[Fistful of Dynamite]]'' (1971)

* ''[[Gallipoli]]'' (1981)

* ''[[The Longest Day]]'' (1963)

* ''[[Sahara]]'' (1943)

* ''[[Sergeant York]]'' (1941)

* ''[[The Fighting 69th]]'' (1940)

* ''[[All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)|All Quiet on the Western Front]]'' (1930)

* ''[[The Living Daylights]]''

===Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

===Video Games===
* [[Darkest of Days]]

==Maxim MG08/15==
[[Image:Maxim MG08-15.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim MG08/15 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

A variant of the MG08, it was an attempt at a more 'man-portable' version of the gun.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight: 31lb 0oz (14.06kg)
*O/A Length: 57.0in (1448mm)
*Barrel length: 28.3 in (719 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser

===Film===

* ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' (MG08/15 air cooled)

* ''[[Zeppelin]]'' (MG08/15)

* ''[[Hell's Angels]]'' (1930) (MG08/15 aircraft version)

* ''[[A Walk In The Sun]]'' (1945) (MG08/15 modified with water jacket removed)

* ''[[The Fighting 69th]]'' (1940)
=== Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

==Maxim M1910==
[[Image:Maxim1910.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1910 with 'Sokolov' wheel mount, w/o shield - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:S maxim.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1910 with 'Sokolov' wheel mount & shield - 7.62x54R]]

Russian-adopted version of the Maxim, adopted originally in 1905 with a bronze water-jacket but modified and standardized to a corrugated-type jacket in 1910. Usually seen on the 'Sokolov' mounting which was wheeled with a small turntable.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight, Gun Only - 52lb 8oz (23.8kg)
*Weight, On 'Sokolov' Mounting - 99lb 11oz (45.22kg) (Including Shield)
*O/A Length: 43.6in (1107mm)
*Barrel length: 28.4 in (721 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.62x54mm-R

===Film===

* ''[[Doctor Zhivago]]''

* ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]''

* ''[[Brother 2#Maxim M1910|Brother 2]]''

=== Television ===

* ''[[Weaponology]]''
 

==Maxim M1910/30==
[[Image:1910-30.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Russian Maxim 1910/30 machine gun - 7.62x54R.]]

===Film===

''[[Hollow Point]]'' (1996)

* North Korean Soldiers in ''[[Tae Guk Gi]]''

* Russian NKVD Troops in ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]''

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Machine Gun]]

Maxim

2010-09-12T23:38:40Z

Kilgore:

The Maxim was the world's first true machine gun that was manufactured across the world in many different variations during the late 19th/early 20th century.

'''The Maxim variants can be seen in the following:'''

==Maxim 1895==
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
===Film===
* ''[[Rough Riders]]'' (1895 Argentine Maxim)
* ''[[Northwest Frontier]]'' (1959)
* ''[[Breaker Morant]]''
=== Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

* ''[[Lock_'n_Load_With_R._Lee_Ermey|Lock 'n Load With R. Lee Ermey]]
 

==Video Games==
*[[Red Dead Redemption]]

==Maxim MG08==
[[Image:MaximMG08.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim MG08 7.92x57mm Mauser on 'sledge' mount]]

German-adopted version of the Maxim gun, adopted in 1908 and classified MG'08 accordingly. Usually seen on it's unique four-legged 'sledge' mounting which could be folded up to drag the gun across the ground.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight, Gun Only - 58lb 5oz (26.44kg)
*Weight, On 'Sledge' Mounting - 136lb 11oz (62kg)
*O/A Length: 46.25in (1175mm)
*Barrel length: 28.3 in (719 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser

===Film===
* ''[[Legends of the Fall]]'' (1994)

* ''[[Wind and the Lion, The|The Wind and the Lion]]'' (1975)

* ''[[Fistful of Dynamite]]'' (1971)

* ''[[Gallipoli]]'' (1981)

* ''[[The Longest Day]]'' (1963)

* ''[[Sahara]]'' (1943)

* ''[[Sergeant York]]'' (1941)

* ''[[The Fighting 69th]]'' (1940)

* ''[[All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)|All Quiet on the Western Front]]'' (1930)

* ''[[The Living Daylights]]''

===Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

===Video Games===
* [[Darkest of Days]]

==Maxim MG08/15==
[[Image:Maxim MG08-15.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim MG08/15 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

A variant of the MG08, it was an attempt at a more 'man-portable' version of the gun.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight: 31lb 0oz (14.06kg)
*O/A Length: 57.0in (1448mm)
*Barrel length: 28.3 in (719 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.92x57mm Mauser

===Film===

* ''[[Biggles: Adventures in Time]]'' (MG08/15 air cooled)

* ''[[Zeppelin]]'' (MG08/15)

* ''[[Hell's Angels]]'' (1930) (MG08/15 aircraft version)

* ''[[A Walk In The Sun]]'' (1945) (MG08/15 modified with water jacket removed)

* ''[[The Fighting 69th]]'' (1940)
=== Television ===
* ''[[Weaponology]]''

==Maxim M1910==
[[Image:Maxim1910.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1910 with 'Sokolov' wheel mount, w/o shield - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:S maxim.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Maxim 1910 with 'Sokolov' wheel mount & shield - 7.62x54R]]

Russian-adopted version of the Maxim, adopted originally in 1905 with a bronze water-jacket but modified and standardized to a corrugated-type jacket in 1910. Usually seen on the 'Sokolov' mounting which was wheeled with a small turntable.

'''Specifications'''
*Weight, Gun Only - 52lb 8oz (23.8kg)
*Weight, On 'Sokolov' Mounting - 99lb 11oz (45.22kg) (Including Shield)
*O/A Length: 43.6in (1107mm)
*Barrel length: 28.4 in (721 mm)
*Cartridge: 7.62x54mm-R

===Film===

* ''[[Doctor Zhivago]]''

* ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]''

* ''[[Brother 2#Maxim M1910|Brother 2]]''

=== Television ===

* ''[[Weaponology]]''
 

==Maxim M1910/30==
[[Image:1910-30.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Russian Maxim 1910/30 machine gun - 7.62x54R.]]

===Film===

''[[Hollow Point]]'' (1996)

* North Korean Soldiers in ''[[Tae Guk Gi]]''

* Russian NKVD Troops in ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]''

[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Machine Gun]]

Red Dead Redemption

2010-09-12T23:37:43Z

Kilgore: /* Borchardt C-93 */

[[Image:RDRboxart.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Red Dead Redemption (2010)]]

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Red Dead Redemption'':'''

==Handguns==

===[[Single Action Army]]===
In-game, it appears to take it's name and likeness from an 1873
[http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_cattleman_set_lg.jpg Uberti Cattleman Replica.]This is the first handgun you start with and it's good enough to last you through the first third of the game. The game devs pretty much got this gun right except John Marston manages to fire the pistol without pulling back on the hammer. It's considerable ingame but in cinematics it sticks out like a sore thumb. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt SAA "Artillery" model in .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:Uberti boxed 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Uberti "Cattleman" replica.]]
[[Image:Colt Peacemaker RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ready to fire.]]
[[Image:Colt SAA Cattleman.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Mini-map and in-game icon.]]

===[[Volcanic_Repeater|Volcanic Pistol]]===

Called the "Volcanic Pistol" in game. It behaves a lot like the Winchester, but with much less range. It is first available at the gunsmith in Armadillo. Uses Pistol ammunition.

[[Image:Volcanic .jpg |thumb|none|600px|Volcanic Pistol - .31 or .41 caliber.]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|600px|"OVERALL RATING: 4."]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Smith_%26_Wesson_Schofield|Smith & Wesson No. 3 Revolver]]===

Called the "Schofield Revolver" ingame this is given to you when you first get to Mexico. It's basically a direct upgrade over the Cattleman, and is almost as strong as the Volcanic. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.45 Schofield with worn nickel finish.]]
[[Image:N0. 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston admires his revolver.]]

===[[Borchardt C-93]]===
Called 'Semi-Automatic Pistol' In-game. This is the first "new age" handgun that you come across in the game. It looks god awful sticking out of the holster but it is a good firearm. It holds seven shots and can be first purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera once you get to Mexico. Dutch van der Linde uses one in the mission "Great Men are Not Always Wise". A free one can be obtained if the player clears out the Fort Mercer bandit hideout after the mission 'We'll Be Together In Paradise'. Uses Pistol Ammunition.

[[Image:borchardtc93.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Borchardt C-93 - 7.65x25mm Borchardt.]]
[[Image:Reddeadborch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Borchardt Pistol is shown circled in red]]
[[Image:Reddeadborchardt2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In game character holding and aiming a Borchardt Pistol]]

===[[Colt New Service]]===
It is named the 'Double Action Revolver' In-game. It is pretty powerful which must make it a .45 of some sort and it is the fastest firing revolver in the game. It also reloads a little faster than the Schofield and LeMat. It becomes available sometime during the Mexican missions and uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtNewService45LC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Colt New Service Colt 1892 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Nsr.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|close up]]

There is also a (sweet) gold-plated version
[[Image:Golden_DAR.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Shiny]]

===[[LeMat Revolver]]===

Called the "LeMat Revolver" ingame. It is sold at the gunsmith's shop in Escalera but for some reason is not available for purchase until after the Mexican missions. It holds 9 shots but the under barrel shotgun function is not usable. Unlike what the RDR wiki said before the actual game released the reloading is actually fast because it's incorrectly depicted as a break action like the Schofield. This was apparently an idea lifted from the old TV western Johnny Ringo (http://www.johnnyringo.net/Pictures/LeMatopen91CU.jpg). However the look as depicted in-game still shows the lack of a "top strap" and still still shows the nipples used to hold percussion caps. It uses Revolver Ammunition. It is one of the rare weapons.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:LeMat RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John is right eye dominant.]]
[[Image:LeMat revolver RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|In-game icon.]]

===[[Mauser_C96#Mauser_M712_Schnellfeuer| Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]===
The "Schnellfeuer" machine-pistol variant of the Mauser C96 self-loading pistol appears as a regular C96, and is called the "Mauser Pistol" in game. It holds 15 shots and is first available at the gunsmith in Blackwater. It uses Pistol Ammunition. It is one of the rare (or just really expensive) weapons. The fire-rate is multiplayer is much lower than in singleplayer, most likely for balance reasons. Highly anachronistic as the first full-auto C96 variant did not exist before the late 1920s.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pre-War 7.63x25mm Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".]]
[[Image:Savvy merchant caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston urges a prisoner onward.]]
[[Image:RedDeadRedemption_Mauser1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Bargain.]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-xbox-360-139.jpg|thumb|none|600px|shopping !]]

===[[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Model 1903]]===
Edgar Ross give John an [[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Browning 1903 pistol]] with pearl grips in the mission "Bear One Other Man's Burdens". Called the "High Power Pistol" in-game, it is distinguishable from the Colt 1903 Hammerless by it's longer barrel and slide. It uses Pistol ammunition.
[[Image:Browning 1903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN Browning Model 1903 Pistol - 9x20mm Browning Long]]
[[Image:!908 RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled3.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|Note left side slide lock misplaced on the right, and long slide.]]
[[Image:Redead1903-2.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redead1903-5.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-20100222074908092.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Rifles==
===[[Spencer_1860_Carbine|Spencer Model 1860 Carbine]]===

Called the "Repeating Carbine" ingame. This is the rifle the player starts with and is the weakest. The weapon has a somewhat slow rate of fire compared to later repeaters. It holds 7 shots and uses Repeater Ammunition.

Despite the fact that the real Spencer is loaded from a tube magazine in the butt-stock, the game depicts the rifle as a seven-round repeating breech-loader. Someone didn't do their homework.

[[Image:Spencer 1860 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spencer 1860 Carbine - .56-56 RF.]]
[[Image:Spencer_carbine_RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John clutches his Spencer while glancing out from cover at a firing enemy.]]

===[[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine]]===

Called the "Winchester Repeater" ingame. This is the second rifle that the player gets, it can either be purchased from the gunsmith in Armadillo or received during an early mission soon after. Holds 10 shots and is a very reliable long arm for a good portion of the game. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]]
[[Image:Winchester RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:957922 02102010 screen004.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

looks alittle more like an 1894 winchester to me due to the size of the reciever

===[[Trapdoor_Springfield_Rifle|1873 Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine]]===

Called the "Springfield Rifle" ingame. This can be purchased from the gunsmith in Thieves' Landing and is a great hunting gun.The only real flaw is that expensive Rifle Ammunition is largly unavailable on enemies until late in the Mexican chapter. It unrealistically holds 4 shots instead of one and it appears that John Marston works the gun like a bolt action between shots (he flips the trapdoor up closes it then the hammer gets cocked with no animation). It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 Cavalry Carbine "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70.]]
[[Image:1873.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Krag-Jørgensen|Krag-Jørgensen Rifle]]===

Called the "Bolt Action Rifle" in game. This weapon has a fast reload rate thanks to the stripper clips (which is impossible in real life) and is also pretty powerful. The firing speed is about the same as the Henry Repeater but the range is slightly improved. It can first be purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera, but can be seen in the hands of Mexican soldiers long before then. It holds 5 shots and uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:USKragRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Property Marked Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896 Rifle - .30-40 Krag]]
[[Image:ScreenHunter_01Feb272000.gif|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadrifle1.jpg‎ |600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Henry_1860|1860 Henry Rifle]]===

Called the "Henry Repeater" ingame. This is the third repeating rifle that the player gets, it is first available in Mexico while doing a side quest, which leads into a gang hideout side mission. It holds 12 shots and has a faster firing and reload speed than the Winchester Repeater, though the stopping power is equal. Uses Repeater Ammunition. like the Spencer this rifle is also incorrectly depicted as being reloaded from the receiver, in reality you had to load the cartridges from the front end of the magazine tube

[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry 1860 - .44 RF.]]
[[Image:Henry Rifle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John leans out of a stagecoach and takes aim with his Henry.]]
[[Image:redgoldhenry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-Game Character aiming a Gold Henry Rifle]]

===[[Remington_Rolling_Block|Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle]]===

Fitted with a "Long Malcolm" scope it is called the "Rolling Block Rifle" ingame. The player picks it up during a job for the Mexican military and is the first sniper rifle the player gets. It's single shot and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:Remingtonrollingblock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Rolling Block Militarized - .45 caliber]]
[[Image:Long malcolm.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadlongmalcom1.jpg |thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Evans Repeating Rifle]]===
Classified as a rare weapon according to Rockstar's website. It is called the "Evan's Reapeater" ingame. It is first available for purchase at the gunsmith in Blackwater and holds 22 shots rather than the real life 34 (but that is understandable). It has practically the same power as the Winchester and Henry but with just double the capacity and a somewhat faster reload speed. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:EvansA.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadevans1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Evans Repeater 2 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:evansrepeater2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Carcano_Rifle_Series|Carcano Rifle]]===

Called the "Carcano Rifle" in-game. It is first available for purchase from the gunsmith in Blackwater. It is basically a combination of the Rolling Block Rifle and Bolt Action Rifle. It holds five shots and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:CarcanoM91Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carcano M91 Rifle - 6.5mm.]]
[[Image:32.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
interestingly the rifle as depicted in game has a straight bolt handle, which would seem to make it unable to cycle with the scope attached, also the use of stripper clips would, in reality, not be able to be used
[[Image:Carcano rifle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadcarcano12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|View through the Scope of The Carcano Rifle]]
an anarchistic feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs, in other words the reticle should have looked much like the Remington Rolling blocks scope reticle

===[[Sharps#Sharps_1874_Long_Range|Sharps 1874 Long Range]]===

Called the 'Buffalo Rifle' in-game. It is the most powerful rifle in the game (hence the name) and can be purchased after getting Rank 5 in the Master Hunter challenges. The weapon reloads pretty fast (like John Quigley fast) and only fires one shot at a time. When used from cover there is an annoying glitch where John will reload while exposed to gunfire rather than loading another shot while in cover. It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UbertiSharps1874longrange.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 Long Range rifle w/ 34" barrel, Vernier peep sight, and Lyman Beach front sight - .45-70.]]
[[Image:Sharps_1874_RDR_2.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Shotguns==

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun|Side-by-Side Shotgun Model 1878]]===
This weapon can be bought in Armadillo Gunsmith.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed Off Shotgun]]===
Can be bought in Thieves' Landing Gunsmith.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn Off RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn-Off_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|The description for the sawn-off as seen on the offical website]]
[[Image:reddeadsawnoff3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Browning Auto-5]]===
The [[Browning Auto-5]] shotgun , called the "Semi-auto Shotgun" in-game, holds 5 rounds and can be bought from the Gunsmith at Escalera for $1000 after completing "We Shall Be Together in Paradise" and unlocking access to Mexico.
[[Image:BrowAut5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning Auto 5 (pre WW2) - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Browning auto-5 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Remington 11 Browning Auto 5 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rdr twscreen bonnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Winchester Model 1897]]===
You get it in the mission "And the Truth Will Set You Free",used by a thug.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester Model 1897 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Winchester 1897 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

A gold version exists in multiplayer.
[[Image:Golden_M1897_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|Sweet]]

==Others==

===[[Gatling Gun]]===
Has unlimited ammunition. It is first used in the mission "The Assault on Fort Mercer".
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Gatling RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Cannon===
Found mostly in multiplayer.
[[Image:RDR Cannon.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Maxim|Maxim 1895]]===
Incorectly called the "Browning Gun" in-game, it is used mounted on a prototype armored truck in the mission "And You Will Know The Truth" and damaged at the end of the mission when the armored truck tips over. Dutch van der Linde uses one at his fort in Cochinay against John Marston and the U.S. Army in the mission "And The Truth Will Set You Free".
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
[[Image:Maxim RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Dynamite]]===

[[Image:Dynamite RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Molotov_Cocktail|Firebottle]]===
[[Image:Firebottle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Knife===
[[Image:Expert hunter caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Or at least a f**king idiot would do so,too,but discrimination is wrong]]
[[Image:Throwing_knife_RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The knife is the only silenced weapon in the game!]]

===Rope===
[[Image:78.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Western Video Game]]

Red Dead Redemption

2010-09-12T23:32:10Z

Kilgore: /* Maxim 1895 */

[[Image:RDRboxart.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Red Dead Redemption (2010)]]

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Red Dead Redemption'':'''

==Handguns==

===[[Single Action Army]]===
In-game, it appears to take it's name and likeness from an 1873
[http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_cattleman_set_lg.jpg Uberti Cattleman Replica.]This is the first handgun you start with and it's good enough to last you through the first third of the game. The game devs pretty much got this gun right except John Marston manages to fire the pistol without pulling back on the hammer. It's considerable ingame but in cinematics it sticks out like a sore thumb. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt SAA "Artillery" model in .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:Uberti boxed 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Uberti "Cattleman" replica.]]
[[Image:Colt Peacemaker RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ready to fire.]]
[[Image:Colt SAA Cattleman.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Mini-map and in-game icon.]]

===[[Volcanic_Repeater|Volcanic Pistol]]===

Called the "Volcanic Pistol" in game. It behaves a lot like the Winchester, but with much less range. It is first available at the gunsmith in Armadillo. Uses Pistol ammunition.

[[Image:Volcanic .jpg |thumb|none|600px|Volcanic Pistol - .31 or .41 caliber.]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|600px|"OVERALL RATING: 4."]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Smith_%26_Wesson_Schofield|Smith & Wesson No. 3 Revolver]]===

Called the "Schofield Revolver" ingame this is given to you when you first get to Mexico. It's basically a direct upgrade over the Cattleman, and is almost as strong as the Volcanic. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.45 Schofield with worn nickel finish.]]
[[Image:N0. 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston admires his revolver.]]

===[[Borchardt C-93]]===
Called 'Semi-Automatic Pistol' In-game. This is the first "new age" handgun that you come across in the game. It looks god awful sticking out of the holster but it is a good firearm. It holds seven shots and can be first purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera once you get to Mexico. A free one can be obtained if the player clears out the Fort Mercer bandit hideout after the mission 'We'll Be Together In Paradise'. Uses Pistol Ammunition.

[[Image:borchardtc93.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Borchardt C-93 - 7.65x25mm Borchardt.]]
[[Image:Reddeadborch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Borchardt Pistol is shown circled in red]]
[[Image:Reddeadborchardt2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In game character holding and aiming a Borchardt Pistol]]

===[[Colt New Service]]===
It is named the 'Double Action Revolver' In-game. It is pretty powerful which must make it a .45 of some sort and it is the fastest firing revolver in the game. It also reloads a little faster than the Schofield and LeMat. It becomes available sometime during the Mexican missions and uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtNewService45LC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Colt New Service Colt 1892 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Nsr.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|close up]]

There is also a (sweet) gold-plated version
[[Image:Golden_DAR.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Shiny]]

===[[LeMat Revolver]]===

Called the "LeMat Revolver" ingame. It is sold at the gunsmith's shop in Escalera but for some reason is not available for purchase until after the Mexican missions. It holds 9 shots but the under barrel shotgun function is not usable. Unlike what the RDR wiki said before the actual game released the reloading is actually fast because it's incorrectly depicted as a break action like the Schofield. This was apparently an idea lifted from the old TV western Johnny Ringo (http://www.johnnyringo.net/Pictures/LeMatopen91CU.jpg). However the look as depicted in-game still shows the lack of a "top strap" and still still shows the nipples used to hold percussion caps. It uses Revolver Ammunition. It is one of the rare weapons.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:LeMat RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John is right eye dominant.]]
[[Image:LeMat revolver RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|In-game icon.]]

===[[Mauser_C96#Mauser_M712_Schnellfeuer| Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]===
The "Schnellfeuer" machine-pistol variant of the Mauser C96 self-loading pistol appears as a regular C96, and is called the "Mauser Pistol" in game. It holds 15 shots and is first available at the gunsmith in Blackwater. It uses Pistol Ammunition. It is one of the rare (or just really expensive) weapons. The fire-rate is multiplayer is much lower than in singleplayer, most likely for balance reasons. Highly anachronistic as the first full-auto C96 variant did not exist before the late 1920s.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pre-War 7.63x25mm Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".]]
[[Image:Savvy merchant caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston urges a prisoner onward.]]
[[Image:RedDeadRedemption_Mauser1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Bargain.]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-xbox-360-139.jpg|thumb|none|600px|shopping !]]

===[[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Model 1903]]===
Edgar Ross give John an [[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Browning 1903 pistol]] with pearl grips in the mission "Bear One Other Man's Burdens". Called the "High Power Pistol" in-game, it is distinguishable from the Colt 1903 Hammerless by it's longer barrel and slide. It uses Pistol ammunition.
[[Image:Browning 1903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN Browning Model 1903 Pistol - 9x20mm Browning Long]]
[[Image:!908 RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled3.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|Note left side slide lock misplaced on the right, and long slide.]]
[[Image:Redead1903-2.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redead1903-5.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-20100222074908092.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Rifles==
===[[Spencer_1860_Carbine|Spencer Model 1860 Carbine]]===

Called the "Repeating Carbine" ingame. This is the rifle the player starts with and is the weakest. The weapon has a somewhat slow rate of fire compared to later repeaters. It holds 7 shots and uses Repeater Ammunition.

Despite the fact that the real Spencer is loaded from a tube magazine in the butt-stock, the game depicts the rifle as a seven-round repeating breech-loader. Someone didn't do their homework.

[[Image:Spencer 1860 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spencer 1860 Carbine - .56-56 RF.]]
[[Image:Spencer_carbine_RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John clutches his Spencer while glancing out from cover at a firing enemy.]]

===[[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine]]===

Called the "Winchester Repeater" ingame. This is the second rifle that the player gets, it can either be purchased from the gunsmith in Armadillo or received during an early mission soon after. Holds 10 shots and is a very reliable long arm for a good portion of the game. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]]
[[Image:Winchester RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:957922 02102010 screen004.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

looks alittle more like an 1894 winchester to me due to the size of the reciever

===[[Trapdoor_Springfield_Rifle|1873 Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine]]===

Called the "Springfield Rifle" ingame. This can be purchased from the gunsmith in Thieves' Landing and is a great hunting gun.The only real flaw is that expensive Rifle Ammunition is largly unavailable on enemies until late in the Mexican chapter. It unrealistically holds 4 shots instead of one and it appears that John Marston works the gun like a bolt action between shots (he flips the trapdoor up closes it then the hammer gets cocked with no animation). It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 Cavalry Carbine "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70.]]
[[Image:1873.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Krag-Jørgensen|Krag-Jørgensen Rifle]]===

Called the "Bolt Action Rifle" in game. This weapon has a fast reload rate thanks to the stripper clips (which is impossible in real life) and is also pretty powerful. The firing speed is about the same as the Henry Repeater but the range is slightly improved. It can first be purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera, but can be seen in the hands of Mexican soldiers long before then. It holds 5 shots and uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:USKragRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Property Marked Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896 Rifle - .30-40 Krag]]
[[Image:ScreenHunter_01Feb272000.gif|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadrifle1.jpg‎ |600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Henry_1860|1860 Henry Rifle]]===

Called the "Henry Repeater" ingame. This is the third repeating rifle that the player gets, it is first available in Mexico while doing a side quest, which leads into a gang hideout side mission. It holds 12 shots and has a faster firing and reload speed than the Winchester Repeater, though the stopping power is equal. Uses Repeater Ammunition. like the Spencer this rifle is also incorrectly depicted as being reloaded from the receiver, in reality you had to load the cartridges from the front end of the magazine tube

[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry 1860 - .44 RF.]]
[[Image:Henry Rifle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John leans out of a stagecoach and takes aim with his Henry.]]
[[Image:redgoldhenry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-Game Character aiming a Gold Henry Rifle]]

===[[Remington_Rolling_Block|Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle]]===

Fitted with a "Long Malcolm" scope it is called the "Rolling Block Rifle" ingame. The player picks it up during a job for the Mexican military and is the first sniper rifle the player gets. It's single shot and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:Remingtonrollingblock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Rolling Block Militarized - .45 caliber]]
[[Image:Long malcolm.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadlongmalcom1.jpg |thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Evans Repeating Rifle]]===
Classified as a rare weapon according to Rockstar's website. It is called the "Evan's Reapeater" ingame. It is first available for purchase at the gunsmith in Blackwater and holds 22 shots rather than the real life 34 (but that is understandable). It has practically the same power as the Winchester and Henry but with just double the capacity and a somewhat faster reload speed. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:EvansA.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadevans1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Evans Repeater 2 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:evansrepeater2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Carcano_Rifle_Series|Carcano Rifle]]===

Called the "Carcano Rifle" in-game. It is first available for purchase from the gunsmith in Blackwater. It is basically a combination of the Rolling Block Rifle and Bolt Action Rifle. It holds five shots and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:CarcanoM91Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carcano M91 Rifle - 6.5mm.]]
[[Image:32.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
interestingly the rifle as depicted in game has a straight bolt handle, which would seem to make it unable to cycle with the scope attached, also the use of stripper clips would, in reality, not be able to be used
[[Image:Carcano rifle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadcarcano12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|View through the Scope of The Carcano Rifle]]
an anarchistic feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs, in other words the reticle should have looked much like the Remington Rolling blocks scope reticle

===[[Sharps#Sharps_1874_Long_Range|Sharps 1874 Long Range]]===

Called the 'Buffalo Rifle' in-game. It is the most powerful rifle in the game (hence the name) and can be purchased after getting Rank 5 in the Master Hunter challenges. The weapon reloads pretty fast (like John Quigley fast) and only fires one shot at a time. When used from cover there is an annoying glitch where John will reload while exposed to gunfire rather than loading another shot while in cover. It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UbertiSharps1874longrange.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 Long Range rifle w/ 34" barrel, Vernier peep sight, and Lyman Beach front sight - .45-70.]]
[[Image:Sharps_1874_RDR_2.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Shotguns==

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun|Side-by-Side Shotgun Model 1878]]===
This weapon can be bought in Armadillo Gunsmith.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed Off Shotgun]]===
Can be bought in Thieves' Landing Gunsmith.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn Off RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn-Off_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|The description for the sawn-off as seen on the offical website]]
[[Image:reddeadsawnoff3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Browning Auto-5]]===
The [[Browning Auto-5]] shotgun , called the "Semi-auto Shotgun" in-game, holds 5 rounds and can be bought from the Gunsmith at Escalera for $1000 after completing "We Shall Be Together in Paradise" and unlocking access to Mexico.
[[Image:BrowAut5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning Auto 5 (pre WW2) - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Browning auto-5 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Remington 11 Browning Auto 5 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rdr twscreen bonnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Winchester Model 1897]]===
You get it in the mission "And the Truth Will Set You Free",used by a thug.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester Model 1897 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Winchester 1897 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

A gold version exists in multiplayer.
[[Image:Golden_M1897_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|Sweet]]

==Others==

===[[Gatling Gun]]===
Has unlimited ammunition. It is first used in the mission "The Assault on Fort Mercer".
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Gatling RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Cannon===
Found mostly in multiplayer.
[[Image:RDR Cannon.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Maxim|Maxim 1895]]===
Incorectly called the "Browning Gun" in-game, it is used mounted on a prototype armored truck in the mission "And You Will Know The Truth" and damaged at the end of the mission when the armored truck tips over. Dutch van der Linde uses one at his fort in Cochinay against John Marston and the U.S. Army in the mission "And The Truth Will Set You Free".
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
[[Image:Maxim RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Dynamite]]===

[[Image:Dynamite RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Molotov_Cocktail|Firebottle]]===
[[Image:Firebottle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Knife===
[[Image:Expert hunter caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Or at least a f**king idiot would do so,too,but discrimination is wrong]]
[[Image:Throwing_knife_RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The knife is the only silenced weapon in the game!]]

===Rope===
[[Image:78.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:Western Video Game]]

Red Dead Redemption

2010-09-12T23:31:44Z

Kilgore: /* Browning M1917 */

[[Image:RDRboxart.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Red Dead Redemption (2010)]]

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Red Dead Redemption'':'''

==Handguns==

===[[Single Action Army]]===
In-game, it appears to take it's name and likeness from an 1873
[http://www.uberti.com/firearms/images/1873_cattleman_set_lg.jpg Uberti Cattleman Replica.]This is the first handgun you start with and it's good enough to last you through the first third of the game. The game devs pretty much got this gun right except John Marston manages to fire the pistol without pulling back on the hammer. It's considerable ingame but in cinematics it sticks out like a sore thumb. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt SAA "Artillery" model in .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:Uberti boxed 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Uberti "Cattleman" replica.]]
[[Image:Colt Peacemaker RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ready to fire.]]
[[Image:Colt SAA Cattleman.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Mini-map and in-game icon.]]

===[[Volcanic_Repeater|Volcanic Pistol]]===

Called the "Volcanic Pistol" in game. It behaves a lot like the Winchester, but with much less range. It is first available at the gunsmith in Armadillo. Uses Pistol ammunition.

[[Image:Volcanic .jpg |thumb|none|600px|Volcanic Pistol - .31 or .41 caliber.]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|600px|"OVERALL RATING: 4."]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Volcanic RDR 3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Smith_%26_Wesson_Schofield|Smith & Wesson No. 3 Revolver]]===

Called the "Schofield Revolver" ingame this is given to you when you first get to Mexico. It's basically a direct upgrade over the Cattleman, and is almost as strong as the Volcanic. It uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:Schofield.jpg|thumb|none|600px|.45 Schofield with worn nickel finish.]]
[[Image:N0. 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston admires his revolver.]]

===[[Borchardt C-93]]===
Called 'Semi-Automatic Pistol' In-game. This is the first "new age" handgun that you come across in the game. It looks god awful sticking out of the holster but it is a good firearm. It holds seven shots and can be first purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera once you get to Mexico. A free one can be obtained if the player clears out the Fort Mercer bandit hideout after the mission 'We'll Be Together In Paradise'. Uses Pistol Ammunition.

[[Image:borchardtc93.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Borchardt C-93 - 7.65x25mm Borchardt.]]
[[Image:Reddeadborch.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Borchardt Pistol is shown circled in red]]
[[Image:Reddeadborchardt2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In game character holding and aiming a Borchardt Pistol]]

===[[Colt New Service]]===
It is named the 'Double Action Revolver' In-game. It is pretty powerful which must make it a .45 of some sort and it is the fastest firing revolver in the game. It also reloads a little faster than the Schofield and LeMat. It becomes available sometime during the Mexican missions and uses Revolver Ammunition.

[[Image:ColtNewService45LC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Colt New Service Colt 1892 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Nsr.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Reddeadnewarmy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|close up]]

There is also a (sweet) gold-plated version
[[Image:Golden_DAR.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Shiny]]

===[[LeMat Revolver]]===

Called the "LeMat Revolver" ingame. It is sold at the gunsmith's shop in Escalera but for some reason is not available for purchase until after the Mexican missions. It holds 9 shots but the under barrel shotgun function is not usable. Unlike what the RDR wiki said before the actual game released the reloading is actually fast because it's incorrectly depicted as a break action like the Schofield. This was apparently an idea lifted from the old TV western Johnny Ringo (http://www.johnnyringo.net/Pictures/LeMatopen91CU.jpg). However the look as depicted in-game still shows the lack of a "top strap" and still still shows the nipples used to hold percussion caps. It uses Revolver Ammunition. It is one of the rare weapons.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:LeMat RDR 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John is right eye dominant.]]
[[Image:LeMat revolver RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|In-game icon.]]

===[[Mauser_C96#Mauser_M712_Schnellfeuer| Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer]]===
The "Schnellfeuer" machine-pistol variant of the Mauser C96 self-loading pistol appears as a regular C96, and is called the "Mauser Pistol" in game. It holds 15 shots and is first available at the gunsmith in Blackwater. It uses Pistol Ammunition. It is one of the rare (or just really expensive) weapons. The fire-rate is multiplayer is much lower than in singleplayer, most likely for balance reasons. Highly anachronistic as the first full-auto C96 variant did not exist before the late 1920s.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pre-War 7.63x25mm Mauser C96 "Broomhandle".]]
[[Image:Savvy merchant caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marston urges a prisoner onward.]]
[[Image:RedDeadRedemption_Mauser1.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A Bargain.]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-xbox-360-139.jpg|thumb|none|600px|shopping !]]

===[[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Model 1903]]===
Edgar Ross give John an [[Colt Model 1903/1908#FN Browning 1903|FN Browning 1903 pistol]] with pearl grips in the mission "Bear One Other Man's Burdens". Called the "High Power Pistol" in-game, it is distinguishable from the Colt 1903 Hammerless by it's longer barrel and slide. It uses Pistol ammunition.
[[Image:Browning 1903.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN Browning Model 1903 Pistol - 9x20mm Browning Long]]
[[Image:!908 RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled3.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|Note left side slide lock misplaced on the right, and long slide.]]
[[Image:Redead1903-2.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redead1903-5.png‎|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Red-dead-redemption-20100222074908092.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Rifles==
===[[Spencer_1860_Carbine|Spencer Model 1860 Carbine]]===

Called the "Repeating Carbine" ingame. This is the rifle the player starts with and is the weakest. The weapon has a somewhat slow rate of fire compared to later repeaters. It holds 7 shots and uses Repeater Ammunition.

Despite the fact that the real Spencer is loaded from a tube magazine in the butt-stock, the game depicts the rifle as a seven-round repeating breech-loader. Someone didn't do their homework.

[[Image:Spencer 1860 Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spencer 1860 Carbine - .56-56 RF.]]
[[Image:Spencer_carbine_RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John clutches his Spencer while glancing out from cover at a firing enemy.]]

===[[Winchester Model 1892|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine]]===

Called the "Winchester Repeater" ingame. This is the second rifle that the player gets, it can either be purchased from the gunsmith in Armadillo or received during an early mission soon after. Holds 10 shots and is a very reliable long arm for a good portion of the game. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:WinchesterModel1892.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine - .32WCF/.38-40/.44-40/.25-20.]]
[[Image:Winchester RDR.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:957922 02102010 screen004.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

looks alittle more like an 1894 winchester to me due to the size of the reciever

===[[Trapdoor_Springfield_Rifle|1873 Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine]]===

Called the "Springfield Rifle" ingame. This can be purchased from the gunsmith in Thieves' Landing and is a great hunting gun.The only real flaw is that expensive Rifle Ammunition is largly unavailable on enemies until late in the Mexican chapter. It unrealistically holds 4 shots instead of one and it appears that John Marston works the gun like a bolt action between shots (he flips the trapdoor up closes it then the hammer gets cocked with no animation). It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 Cavalry Carbine "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70.]]
[[Image:1873.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Krag-Jørgensen|Krag-Jørgensen Rifle]]===

Called the "Bolt Action Rifle" in game. This weapon has a fast reload rate thanks to the stripper clips (which is impossible in real life) and is also pretty powerful. The firing speed is about the same as the Henry Repeater but the range is slightly improved. It can first be purchased at the gunsmith in Escalera, but can be seen in the hands of Mexican soldiers long before then. It holds 5 shots and uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:USKragRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US Property Marked Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896 Rifle - .30-40 Krag]]
[[Image:ScreenHunter_01Feb272000.gif|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadrifle1.jpg‎ |600px|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Henry_1860|1860 Henry Rifle]]===

Called the "Henry Repeater" ingame. This is the third repeating rifle that the player gets, it is first available in Mexico while doing a side quest, which leads into a gang hideout side mission. It holds 12 shots and has a faster firing and reload speed than the Winchester Repeater, though the stopping power is equal. Uses Repeater Ammunition. like the Spencer this rifle is also incorrectly depicted as being reloaded from the receiver, in reality you had to load the cartridges from the front end of the magazine tube

[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry 1860 - .44 RF.]]
[[Image:Henry Rifle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John leans out of a stagecoach and takes aim with his Henry.]]
[[Image:redgoldhenry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In-Game Character aiming a Gold Henry Rifle]]

===[[Remington_Rolling_Block|Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle]]===

Fitted with a "Long Malcolm" scope it is called the "Rolling Block Rifle" ingame. The player picks it up during a job for the Mexican military and is the first sniper rifle the player gets. It's single shot and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:Remingtonrollingblock.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Rolling Block Militarized - .45 caliber]]
[[Image:Long malcolm.JPG|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadlongmalcom1.jpg |thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Evans Repeating Rifle]]===
Classified as a rare weapon according to Rockstar's website. It is called the "Evan's Reapeater" ingame. It is first available for purchase at the gunsmith in Blackwater and holds 22 shots rather than the real life 34 (but that is understandable). It has practically the same power as the Winchester and Henry but with just double the capacity and a somewhat faster reload speed. It uses Repeater Ammunition.

[[Image:EvansA.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadevans1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Evans Repeater 2 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:evansrepeater2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Carcano_Rifle_Series|Carcano Rifle]]===

Called the "Carcano Rifle" in-game. It is first available for purchase from the gunsmith in Blackwater. It is basically a combination of the Rolling Block Rifle and Bolt Action Rifle. It holds five shots and uses Sniper Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:CarcanoM91Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carcano M91 Rifle - 6.5mm.]]
[[Image:32.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
interestingly the rifle as depicted in game has a straight bolt handle, which would seem to make it unable to cycle with the scope attached, also the use of stripper clips would, in reality, not be able to be used
[[Image:Carcano rifle.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Redeadcarcano12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:reddeadscope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|View through the Scope of The Carcano Rifle]]
an anarchistic feature of the Carcano's scope is it has a duplex style reticle, most scopes produced in the day were wire cross hairs, in other words the reticle should have looked much like the Remington Rolling blocks scope reticle

===[[Sharps#Sharps_1874_Long_Range|Sharps 1874 Long Range]]===

Called the 'Buffalo Rifle' in-game. It is the most powerful rifle in the game (hence the name) and can be purchased after getting Rank 5 in the Master Hunter challenges. The weapon reloads pretty fast (like John Quigley fast) and only fires one shot at a time. When used from cover there is an annoying glitch where John will reload while exposed to gunfire rather than loading another shot while in cover. It uses Rifle Ammunition.

[[Image:UbertiSharps1874longrange.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sharps 1874 Long Range rifle w/ 34" barrel, Vernier peep sight, and Lyman Beach front sight - .45-70.]]
[[Image:Sharps_1874_RDR_2.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Shotguns==

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun|Side-by-Side Shotgun Model 1878]]===
This weapon can be bought in Armadillo Gunsmith.
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Untitled2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[12_Gauge_Double_Barreled_Shotgun#Short_barreled_Side_by_Side_Shotgun_.28Sawed_Off.29|Sawed Off Shotgun]]===
Can be bought in Thieves' Landing Gunsmith.
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun_ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn Off RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Sawn-Off_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|The description for the sawn-off as seen on the offical website]]
[[Image:reddeadsawnoff3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Browning Auto-5]]===
The [[Browning Auto-5]] shotgun , called the "Semi-auto Shotgun" in-game, holds 5 rounds and can be bought from the Gunsmith at Escalera for $1000 after completing "We Shall Be Together in Paradise" and unlocking access to Mexico.
[[Image:BrowAut5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning Auto 5 (pre WW2) - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Browning auto-5 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Remington 11 Browning Auto 5 RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rdr twscreen bonnie.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Winchester Model 1897]]===
You get it in the mission "And the Truth Will Set You Free",used by a thug.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1897.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester Model 1897 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Winchester 1897 RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

A gold version exists in multiplayer.
[[Image:Golden_M1897_RDR.png|500px|thumb|none|Sweet]]

==Others==

===[[Gatling Gun]]===
Has unlimited ammunition. It is first used in the mission "The Assault on Fort Mercer".
[[Image:Gatling gun 1865.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Gatling RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Cannon===
Found mostly in multiplayer.
[[Image:RDR Cannon.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Maxim|Maxim 1895]]===
Incorectly called the "Browning Gun" in-game, it is used mounted on a prototype armored truck in the mission "And You Will Know The Truth" and damaged at the end of the mission when the armored truck tips over. Dutch van der Linde uses one at his fort in Cochinay against John Marston and the U.S. Army in the mission "And The Truth Will Set You Free".
[[Image:Maxim1895.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Maxim 1895 on tripod]]
[[Image:Maxim RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Dynamite]]===

[[Image:Dynamite RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===[[Molotov_Cocktail|Firebottle]]===
[[Image:Firebottle RDR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Knife===
[[Image:Expert hunter caption.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Or at least a f**king idiot would do so,too,but discrimination is wrong]]
[[Image:Throwing_knife_RDR.JPG|thumb|none|600px|The knife is the only silenced weapon in the game!]]

===Rope===
[[Image:78.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Most of my uploaded firearms pics were photographed by me and thus offered for use by IMFDB with my permission.

BTW: Please IDENTIFY yourself when you leave a message. I shouldn't have to sleuth your identity through the Wiki/History page to figure out who asked what. ;) Thanks.

==NO REQUESTS==

'''I am copying this announcement from my User Page. So if you want a photo of a specific gun, don't ask me. I photograph what I can, when I can. Any new requests will be deleted and not answered. Thanks. MPM2008'''

==NEW RULE==
I appreciate input and questions from new members. But new members SHOULD list their age and what country they are from. It really helps me formulate an appropriate response. I don't want to sound like a jerk when I assume that you're an adult and you're an American, when and if you are not. Thanks for your cooperation.

== Fictional gun names ==
I changed them back, but using quotations to denote fictional looks unprofessional, the second you read sentance one of any of these you can tell it's fictional. Maybe put (fictional firearm) at the end of each title. But I digress --[[User:jonatheng|jonatheng]]

== AMT Automag ==
I created a new page for the AMT Automag as the Automag III and Automag IV are completely separate designs than the .357 Auto Mag pistol that I have had the luck to be able to examine. Also AMT was never involved in manufacturing the origional Auto Mag pistol. Basically they were useing the name for marketing purposes. I'm just giving my reasoning. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

As I don't have an form of Automag to examine again in person(of the three different models I have examined two were of questionable origin and the third was out of my pricerange). I have been looking up both the Auto mag and the AMT Automag Models. The Automag Mosels look to be based on Longslide M1911s rather than the AMC Automag. If you look at the control layout the AMC model and the AMT Models have vastly differety control setups.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]]

==Sentinel Arms Stryker==
Dear Sir,
I was wondering if you had any information about the Sentinel Arms Stryker that is shown on the Desparado page. I know it's an Armsel Striker varient but I don't know enough about it to say anything about it on the Armsel striker page. I've also seen a Striker Varient made by Penn Arms and i want to know what the differance is. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]]

==Wesley's Beretta==
Hi, I am requesting a picture of Wesley's Beretta 92S used in Wanted (2008). If you don't mind.[[User:GunnutHk|GunnutHk]]

==US Navy Mark 12 MOD X Special Purpose Rifle==
Hi I was referred by MT2008 that you may have access to a MK 12 SPR or a similar weapon. If you have access to an image to add to the Mk 12 SPR section of the M16 page that would be appreciated. The current image has a watermark and is a graphic from somewhere and probably copyrighted so It would be cool if that image could be replaced. thanks, -[[User:AdAstra2009]]

Well thanks for looking into it, I appreciate it -[[User:AdAstra2009]]

: Check with Mike he has them in inventory. -[[User:Phoenixent |Steve]] 06:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==YES!==

Thank you SO much! Those look great, and actually, they look very close to the ones that have appeared in quite a few movies. We can start replacing the two-tone SIG pics that we have on our other pages with these immediately! Again, I ''greatly'' appreciate you doing this for me. How will I ever repay you?

Out of curiosity, since you told me that they usually don't fit, how did you make them work together? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re: MP5A5==

Huh, that's interesting. I always figured Stembridge would have mostly -90 series guns that looked just like those "MP5s" that appear in so many productions they've rented to. Any idea why those HK94s were never converted further to make them look like more realistic MP5s? As my ''[[Air Force One]]'' page shows, Stembridge basically left those guns as-is well into the 1990s.

Thanks for the MP5A5 picture...I was actually close to replacing it myself (albeit with something from a Google image search). And yes, I'm sure more people than me appreciate them! At least, I hope so. You're pretty much the most important person we've got when it comes to gun images. I mean, how many sites out there get to have pictures of the same prop weapons used in many films?

==Thanks for the new pictures==

You've uploaded a lot of good pictures recently...I especially like the S&W 4506 and the SIG P220 Sport (is that the one from Cinema Weaponry that's appeared in several movies?) I thought of taking a picture of my own personal 4506 for a while, but gave up because I knew I couldn't take one as good as what you could do. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Thanks for the pics, they are great- Beeteles

==One other thing...==

I know I keep asking for stuff from you lately, but this time it's talk only.

I just finished working on the ''[[Air Force One]]'' page for this site. That movie features some type of short-barreled AK which looks just like the one from ''[[True Lies]]''. Here's a picture:

[[Image:AFO-shortyAK-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

The next time you talk to Harry Lu, would you mind asking him what these guns are and who owns them (Stembridge?) Thanks! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re:==

The new pictures are really cool, as usual. I especially love the M16A1 with A2 handguards picture, because there are a lot of Hollywood movies featuring guns with that config, and it's great that we now have a picture to prove to our visitors how you sneaky armorers have deceived so many of us common folk action movie fans with those fake M16A2s! Haha, just kidding. Anyway, how did you get your hands on a Diemaco? Remember Al Vrkljan, the Canadian armorer who helped me out on ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)]]''? He told me that Diemaco/Colt Canada wouldn't sell any of their guns to his company or any civilian companies, so where did it come from?

Also, you brought up an interesting point on the ''[[American Gun (2006)]]'' page...as an armorer who works in the film industry, how do you feel about the anti-gun attitudes that seem so prevalent in Hollywood? Does it ever frustrate you and make you not want to rent your guns out to people who are so overtly anti-RKBA? I've always wondered how armorers feel about the people they work with.

Appreciate the effort on the Type 84 and two-tone P226 pics. Whenever you get a chance!

== Oh, yes, and one other request...==

I have another request, this one a bit more unusual. I recently did a page for ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]'', which features a two-tone SIG P226 of West German manufacture that has a stainless frame and a regular black slide and barrel. It looks like the armorer just combined two existing guns to make it (since the two-tone P226s usually have black frame and stainless slide), and I'd love to have a picture of something identical for my page. So if you ever get out those two P226s that you photographed for IMFDB back in June, do you mind combining this:

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]]

..and this...

[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|250px|]]

...to make this?

[[Image:2F2F-P226-10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:2F2F-P226-13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

...and then taking a picture of it for me? Also, if you put the slide and barrel from the stainless P226 on the frame of the black P226, you'd have a gun identical to the one from ''[[Face/Off]]'' which we could use for that page.

:Now THAT is news to me. I'm really surprised...finishes really make the fit of the parts THAT difficult? Wow. I don't think the gun above is a factory job because the two-tone P226s that SIG has sold are always black frame and stainless slide, not the other way around. Do you by chance know who supplied the weapons for ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''?

:Thanks for the info, as always.

==Re: Back for a bit==

I do think you're right and that there are some SKS rifles in ''[[Platoon]]'' (which may or may not be Chinese Type 56 copies, for all I know). I own that movie on DVD, so as soon as I get back to my place, I'm gonna have to pop it in my laptop and watch again to be sure. Also, thanks for backing me up on the CAR-15 variants in the film - I was pretty sure they were 653s, and I know that particular model was exported in large numbers to U.S. allies during the 1970s (if you ever check out any Arab-Israeli war photos from the news, even today, you'll see many IDF personnel using them).

I was also suspicious of the "MAC-9" page, because I have never heard of that variant. On the other hand, I had no idea that the 9mm variant of the MAC-10 was called the "MAC-10/9"; I've usually just heard it referred to as a MAC-10. I figure "MAC-9" was just somebody butchering the spelling of "M11/9", which has appeared in lots of movies (I made the entry for that gun under the MAC-10 page myself, though someone else put down - inaccurately - that it was used in ''[[Blue Streak]]'').

Sorry to hear Josh Brolin broke a gun...indeed, how DO you bend a trigger guard? Then again, he's had some issues with the law lately, so maybe it's not too surprising. What film is he working on that required him to carry a Police Chief Special, anyway? Some period piece, I take it? I don't know how frustrating it is to be an armorer, but I can imagine...I mean, if you've rented out dozens of guns to one production, doesn't that make you lose your nerve to think how much those guns must be getting tossed around, even with armorers on-set to supervise their use? Also, remember when you sent me that picture of guns to ID from your vault? How many did I get right?

That's cool if you can get a picture of a Chinese Tokarev. Later. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Long-barreled AK under-folder==

Here is the gun from ''[[The X-Files]]'' I mentioned to you. Found these on a fan site for the show. They're not great quality, but you can see it pretty well:

[[Image:X-files-Type84-4.jpg|thumb|800px|none|]]
[[Image:X-files-Type84-3.jpg|thumb|800px|none|]]
[[Image:X-files-Type84-2.jpg|thumb|800px|none|]]
[[Image:X-files-Type84.jpg|thumb|800px|none|(This one is from a different episode)]]

It's clearly an under-folder, it has a long barrel, but it also has what appears to be a .223 mag. And it seems to have a hooded front sight in the first pic. Any idea what this might be? It's appeared in several episodes of the show from a couple of seasons, and I always thought it was a Type 84 under-folder fitted with the barrel from an RPK clone. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Mike Sudrow is listed on IMDB as having worked on a few episodes of ''[[The X-Files]]''. Since the show lasted so long (nine years), I imagine they probably had many, many different armorers depending on the season/filming location.

::As far as Canadian armorers go, Al Vrkljan of Movie Armaments Group was on here a couple months ago. He corrected me on the ''[[The Incredible Hulk (2008)|Incredible Hulk]]'' page by telling me that, interestingly enough, Diemaco/Colt Canada won't sell its weapons to film armorers in Canada! He also told me more about those mystery grenade launchers we were discussing earlier, plus he updated the page with more guns that I had missed. I really hope he comes back; he said he might be able to get some pictures of the launchers for us.

==Re:Re:Sahara==
As far as the source goes, I believe Crowntower Limited supplied the weapons that were used in ''[[Sahara]]''. I say that based on a couple of deductions: Sascha Robey was one of the armorers who worked on ''[[Casino Royale]]'' as well as ''[[Sahara]]'', Crowntower is listed in the credits of ''[[Casino Royale]]'' (but not ''[[Sahara]]'') as the weapons supplier, and finally, if you look at our ''[[Casino Royale]]'' page, the AKs in that film top look identical to the one in ''[[Sahara]]'' that we were talking about. Perhaps this Sascha Robey rented the same guns for two films.

:OK, you know what? My eyes ''do'' suck! I just stood way, way back from my monitor and squinted, and now I see that it's not a hooded Norinco sight; it's just the angle makes it appear circular. You are right; it can't be a Type 84, or anything that uses Type 84 parts. And I'm guessing that also means I could be wrong about the ''[[Casino Royale]]'' AKs, too.

:It's kinda strange, though...I wouldn't have figured British armorers would use civilian AK variants that were essentially geared towards the U.S. firearms market.

==RE:==

First of all, cheers for the update on the Type 84 picture. There's no hurry; I understand if it takes a while to get the appropriate mags (since obviously, a Type 84 doesn't look very different from a Type 56 without them).

Second, while I don't speak for everyone on here, I can say that I personally do not have any problem with you replacing pictures of guns on this site (even those that I uploaded) with any that you took. Nor do I see why anyone else would. The only reason I can imagine anyone getting offended would be if they went to the same effort you do to get the guns and photograph them on their own. But pretty much everyone else on here just uploads pictures they copied from other gun sites, in some cases ''airsoft'' web sites (like that picture we used to have of the SP89, which was just an airsoft MP5K fitted with an SP89 handguard from DenTrinity; terrible!). And it doesn't take much time or effort to copy and upload someone else's work.

Additionally, your gun photos are obviously of superior quality to anything else on here, and they're of guns that have actually appeared in movies (possibly the same movies as the pages they're on), so as far as I am concerned, there really isn't any reason why we can't replace any existing photos of guns with the ones you've taken. In fact, I would encourage you to ''not'' be so timid in the future when it comes to replacing photos. If you want an example of what I mean by this, take a look at the [[Armalite AR-18]] page. Your AR-18 picture is way better than any of those on the page, so I don't see any reason why you can't just remove some of the others (maybe keep ONE of the other photos of the gun with the scope, and even that could be replaced if you took an equivalent picture).

One thing I will point out, though: I have sometimes used pictures on my pages that are from the web site of Rick Washburn's company Weapons Specialists, Inc. (http://www.weaponspecialists.com/index.php). They provided the guns for ''[[I Am Legend]]'', so the page for that movie now features pictures of the guns used in the film that I copied and uploaded from them (including the tan-framed Mark 23). In cases like that, I'd prefer those particular photos stay up (you'll know them because I always provide links and info mentioning where they're from) because they feature the actual movie guns, and they're decent quality. Besides that, I don't have any problem with you replacing any and all photos of guns on this site with yours.

==Chinese Type 56==

First of all, I GREATLY appreciate the photo you took of one of the ''[[Goldeneye]]'' AKs for me. I didn't know you had access to any British armories?

However, I have one question: Do you think it's really appropriate to classify the Chinese Type 56 rifles with stamped receivers as "AK-47" and "AKS-47" clones, as opposed to AKM/AKMS derivatives? I realize that the Type 56s with stamped receivers lack just about all of the other features of the AKMs (including the muzzle break, ribbed receiver cover, rate reducer, grip rails, narrower front sight, etc.), but I've usually heard them described as AKM copies simply to distinguish them from the earlier milled-receiver versions. I know this is an over-simplification of sorts because the Type 56s aren't really orthodox AK-47s or AKMs (they're more like a weird hybrid version), but I figured it would be more appropriate.

:Well, I would say I know the differences between the two. I must point out that I own a Chinese AK (mine was imported by Golden State Arms and simply has 'AK47S 7.62x39mm - Made in China' stamped on the receiver). I was simply curious whether the presence of a stamped receiver on the Type 56 made it worthy of being designated an AKM variant or not.

:Personally, I think the best bet might be to literally just create a new sub-entry for the Type 56 under the [[AK-47]] page and then we can focus on finding any and all movies that feature the Type 56 and putting them under there. This would reflect best the fact that the Type 56 is sort of a weird hybrid AK-47/AKM with distinctly Chinese characteristics (such as the hooded front sight), which most other AK derivatives (like the Maadis) don't have.

::Haha, no offense taken, just wanted you to know I'm not a complete newbie when it comes to AKs, though obviously you completely blow me out of the water. Anyway, I would definitely appreciate the Type 84 pic whenever you get a chance. Not sure if there's anything else I need at the moment...but I would strongly encourage you to just take pictures of whatever you can get your hands on. As I've said, it's really great that we have you because this site is full of pictures that are copied from sites like world.guns.ru or (in some cases) AIRSOFT websites (i.e. the SP89 picture that we used to have before I replaced it).

::BTW, these are some incredible pics you've gotten us lately, moreso than usual. How on earth did you get that Romanian AIMS from "44 Minutes"? Do you know Thell Reed, too? Also, I'm going to do a LITTLE bit of additional work on the [[AK-47#Type 56|Type 56]] entry, and I think I'm also gonna ditch the AKS-47 one for now (simply because there don't seem to be any movies I'm aware of that have actual milled-receiver Russian AKS-47s or close copies) and move all the Type 56-1 entires down. If you disagree, you can revert (or partially modify) the edits and I won't mind. Also, good work on the [[RPG-7]] article getting the Type 69 mentioned (it's something I wanted to do myself - mostly because "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" also has a Type 69).

==Re: Editing Dogs of War==

Thanks for the info. I've seen those guns in a whole bunch of movies and I always wondered what they were, who made them, and why. I think they've also appeared in a couple episodes of ''[[The A-Team]]'' and a Chuck Norris movie or two.

I have some great screenshots of the fake Uzis which I took for my ''[[Raw Deal]]'' page (I've been meaning to work on it for ages, but so far, I just never have managed to get around to it). Here they are:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-59410.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

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== Re: image ==

Sorry for the mixup. Feel free to replace the image with a better one if you have one handy. It's good to have a professional armourer on the site to help out, you've been doing some good work so far. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904

Sure, you can re-post the CZ99 pic. It isn't "mine"; I took it from world.guns.ru, which is where many of the photographs of guns on this site come from (as you can imagine, that's why I'm happy to have someone like you who is willing to give us original photos, especially when they're of actual movie guns)

== Hey ==

Hey MoviePropMaster, I'm Alienqueen11, and I seen the images you have uploaded, and they're great. I also want to know if you can do me a favor, if you can upload a picture of a [[Remington 870]] with Ghost Ring Sights and a High Capacity Tube like the one in the screenshot below for the [[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]] page, I would greatly appreciate it, and great work so far.
[[Image:DotD_Mossberg2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]

== Thanks ==

Thanks for complitementing my knowledge on guns, I also reverted a version of one of your MP5 pictures because someone copied over it with an airsoft image, I really wish some people would checked the thing while they're uploading an image to make sure the name isn't already used to avoid mistakes like this. And once again, thanks for your contributions and keep up the good work. Alienqueen11.

== Heartbreak Ridge M16's ==

I just saw ''[[Heartbreak Ridge]]'' on TV this afternoon, and all the [[M16 rifle series|M16]]'s I saw on-screen were the A1 variant, complete with bolt-forward assist buttons at the rear of the upper recievers. Even saw one fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] used by one of the Recon Marines under Gunnery Sergeant Highway's command.

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC) Orca1_9904
- He might want to look at my page and see they weren't ''all'' M16A1s.

==Question==
[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]: Hi, I was just wondering how is it you take a picture of a gun and get a perfectly white clear background? What method is used to get that effect? My other question is that on the [[Hollow Point]] page I made recently, did I get the AK varient right? I figured I'd ask you as you seem to be the AK pro on the site. Thanks.
(My list of pages is on my profile if you feel like checking any of my other work as well.)

==M14 rifle==
I've noticed that the M14 and M21 rifle pictures on this site aren't really that great, is there any chance you could take some good shots? The pictures now are blurry, or black and white.

==37mm Launcher==
Thanks for fixing up that page, I was told by MT2008 it was a Colt Launcher, I guess it was a Cobray. Finding the pictures of them was probably the hardest thing on the page. Do you think we should keep the M203 to launcher comparison picture or is it irrelevant? -GM

::I built the colt launcher page based on what MT said, but your input greatly helped it. It's a shame taking professional pictures is so complex. The best I have is photoshop and an erase brush. I have a Norinco Type 54 pistol and I wanted to put pictures of it on the site soon. I'm not bad with editing, it should come out okay. I just need to find the time to do it. The M14 rifle pics came out great, let me know if you get your hands on an M21. I'll have plenty of films to be corrected in the future, my to do list touches the sky. One or two every friday or saturday. Stay cool. -GM

==Bren 10 "Peregrine Falcon"==
:Here's a tricky task, do you think you could find a Bren 10 "Peregrine Falcon"? Aparently it is what John Practice uses in [[Last Action Hero]] according to user input, and I can't find a good picture of it. Until I do find a good picture, I'll have to keep my horrible AR-24 picture I had on their before. If it isn't a Bren 10 PF, I'd assume you of all people would shoot me straight.
[[Image:StarMegastarLastActionHero.jpg|thumb|none|400px|This is the picture of him with the Bren 10 "Peregrine Falcon". His is a tutone model, but I'm not that picky. If both can be had, it would make a nice page in the Bren 10 gun section.]]
==M1911/M1911A1==
::I apoligize for asking one more thing of you, but the M1911 and M1911A1 pistols are infamous works of art in the firearms world, commonly used in films. We got a repro M1911 picture (modernized), a Springfield M1911A1 (when Colt M1911A1 is the genuine picture desired), another M1911A1 with pachmyr grips (better than springfield, but see how it sticks out on Platoon? It's ''too'' modern) So is their any chance you could find a genuine (or prefered, an ''authentic'' reproduction) of a Colt M1911 and Colt M1911A1 to snap some shots of, that would be awesome. I trust you know them apart, your a pro. Thanks. Good luck. -GM

==Re:Last Action Hero==
I saw [[Last Action Hero]] when I was young and loved it. Now, it is still one of my favorites. I like how it makes fun of action movies, by showing how Arnold can fire a billion rounds from a Desert Eagle and cars just explode for no reason. I'll fix those problems you mentioned. Your saying they are more likely civilian TEC-9s instead of TEC-DC9's? What physical traits help determine this, just the sling? And they were firing full-auto so they were probably converted.

== Hi! ==

Still no replacement grip for the M70?

Shame, it looks strange with that grip - I'm used to seeing them on M76s and M72s... which reminds me: about that mystery long barreled AK - I know that Crvena Zastava makes under-folder RPKs, namely the M72A (7.62 - based on M70), and the M90A (5.56 - based on an assault rifle of the same designation). The under-folder RPKs (those with an "A") have removable bipods (the standard, solid-stock ones have fixed), so w/ the folding stocks and w/o bipods they would look like those mystery AKs, no? Also, one more improtant fact: unlike the Yugo AKs (which have 3 holes), the Yugo RPKs have TWO holes in the forward grip (like the original AKs). http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61129/Yugo/pics/m72a.jpg

I hope this was hepful, keep up the good work!

== Request ==

I'm sorry to ask, but if you get the chance, can you upload a [[Beretta M92F|Beretta M92FS]]? I know the ones on the site are already good enough, but I want to see how great one by you would be. I know you're already busy, so don't do it if you're too busy, and if you can't upload it, it's okay. Anyway, welcome back, the new pictures for the M16 and M14 are great. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]

== RE:870 ==

I think you're right about the Mossberg sights on the 870, they seem to match those on the Mossberg more then anything.

Here the picture I had on the page when I thought his shotgun was a Mossberg 500:
[[Image:Mossberg500.gif|thumb|none|335px|[[Mossberg 500]] 12 ga. with optional ghost ring sights.]]

And this is the image I have on the page now, seeing it now, they look nothing like the sights in the screencap:
[[Image:870p.jpg|thumb|none|335px|Remington 870 Police Magnum with magazine extention tube and ghost ring sights.]]

And it looks like the armorer must have put the Mossberg sights on the Remington:
[[Image:DotD Mossberg2.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

Hope this helps, and thanks for the favor, I appreciate it. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]

== Done ==

Don't worry, he won't be able to edit again, if it happens again, I'll be sure to make so only registered users can edit the [[Commando]] page. [[User: Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]]

==Karabiner 98k sniper rifle==
:I recently noticed while working on the [[Saving Private Ryan]] page that we have no sniper rifle varient Kar98k rifle pic. I've noticed you [[Enemy at the Gates]] page is in need of this picture as well too. I apoligize for adding yet another gun to your to-do list but just let me know if you find one. -GM45

==Re: FINALLY==

Excellent! I already have a use for the 870 folder, too - just put it on the ''[[RoboCop]]'' page (which features an identical weapon). And thanks for the UMP-45 and the Gen 2 Glock-17 as well! There are so many movies that feature Gen 2 Glocks, yet all we have is that stock picture of a Gen 3. When I get back to my place later today, I'm going to start using your Glock in every movie page that features such a gun.

Also...that AR15A2 you photographed; can we consider it an M16A2? Is it converted to auto or burst? We really need a good M16A2 picture, because the one that appears throughout the site is yet another crappy airsoft picture.

==RE:==

Hmmm, I'll have to see. There's lots of loose women and great beer over here in Texas that I ''might'' be able to offer you, but the gold's gonna be hard to come by! Haha.

Thanks yet AGAIN for the improved two-tone P226 picture. Weirdly enough, I completely failed to notice that the one in ''[[Face/Off]]'' had a silver hammer until you pointed it out. But it's great that you have a better eye for detail than I do, and moreso that you corrected it. And, of course, thank you for answering my questions about movie guns to the best of your ability. I think your idea for a 12-gauge pump page is perfectly useful, though I must point out that if it can't be categorized, it's gonna be hard for other users to find it. In order to make sure people see it, please add links to it on pages for the shotguns it distinguishes from each other. That would be the best way to make sure your word gets out.

Hope you don't mind, but I've already shown your SIG pics on SIGforum.com to draw attention to our site. I'd show your H&K pictures on HKPRO forum (where I also post), too, if their forum wasn't down every other minute. I dunno if you post on any other gun-related boards, but if you do, show off your pics and point folks to IMFDB. The more attention, the better. We've already got 55,000 views from the ''[[Heat]]'' page (which features your P220 and M16A1 pictures, among others), so spread the word and more people will discover the beauty of IMFDB with its original movie gun pictures, taken by an actual movie armorer!

Oh, yeah, and I will respond to the topic of vandals on Bunni's talk page shortly. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re:Dibbs==
Feel free, one less thing for me to do. I only ask that you keep the bow and knife on the page so it fits the other two. I'll eventually add them to [[Rambo (2008)]] so that one fits as well. If anything I'll likely just add some shots like I tend to do. Thanks for asking me and not just doing it. Can't wait to see it. -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]
::Almost forgot, MT2008 may have asked already but we really need a Poly Tech Legend AK pic.

:::Nope, I forgot, too! Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea. I've been looking for one on Google image search, but no go on any good ones. Also, speaking of AKs (and here I go again making your request list longer), a new AKM pic would be nice. Not to sound unappreciative, but I tend to shy away from the one you took just because the red stock looks out-of-place and ugly, plus the magazine is the plastic type rather than the ribbed type. If you can get a picture of one of the Maadi AKMs with the right stock, plus a metal ribbed-style mag (which is more the "classic" style, if you will)...great. If not, no worries. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re:Casino Royale==

Yep, that's the exact same picture I looked up to remind myself what an M76 was. Actually, I think I always thought that the M76 just referred to their long-range rifle, and I didn't remember that their smaller-caliber AKs were called M76. But I did know off the top of my head that it couldn't be Zastava because their full-sized AKs always have the folding GL sight, and the ''[[Casino Royale]]'' AKs don't.

BTW, any idea what's wrong with the [[Taurus PT92]] picture you gave us? I just put it on the page for ''[[The X-Files]]'', and now it's disappeared. A search of the page history indicates no act of vandalism.

Oh, yeah, and one other thing: I never thanked you for getting that Australian Automatic Arms carbine picture for ''[[The Matrix]]'' page. So...thanks! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== DotD 870 ==

I don't mean to bug you, but did you have any luck with the Dawn of the Dead Remington 870, and did the message I sent you about about the sights help at all, please let me know. Also excellent work lately, The new Mossberg 500 and Remington 870 pictures are great, and so are the many other pictures you uploaded lately, I really like the two tone Sig P226s you got for MT2008, those are one of kind. Good luck, and keep up the good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

==Kelly's Heroes==
I was aware they were using FN BAR type D 8mm guns instead of american .30-06 BARs but I didn't know they were using the wrong mag pouches. Thanks for the info. -GM45

==Re:M1911 pistols==
The 1911 pictures are absolute perfection. The M1911 from 1913 looks great. I have one from 1913 too and yours puts mine to shame. Thanks very much. -GM45

:And thanks for the P38, too! Feel free to just delete the one that's been on the P38 already, and insert your image into any and all movie pages featuring P38s. I've been replacing old gun images on many pages with your new gun images (i.e. the Glock you uploaded earlier in the week). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Need some help ==

Hello, I just added a few more guns in The Unit page and I need some help IDing some of them that I can't seem to put my finger on. Care to give me a hand if you can?

-Excaliber

== Re: Beretta M92FS ==

It looks excellent, I don't mind an American made Beretta, an Italian made one isn't too different, is it? If you come across an Italian one in the future, you can upload that, but you don't have to, like I said, I like the new one as it is. Thank you soo much for the favor, you never disappoint.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks for the USP!==

I was thinking of asking you for a USP pic, but figured I should hold off on it, just to prevent you from getting bogged down.

As you can tell, we're embarking on a campaign to replace any and all older images of guns taken from other sites, with the pictures you've uploaded. I'm also curious...what would you think of a page dedicated to explaining the importance of your gun images to new users of the site, and featuring examples of your work? It would be linked from the main page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Should cartoons be allowed? ==

I want to know if it is either no one cares about the fact that cartoons like Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, and recently South Park had been allowed to this site. I have don't think these pages should exist because do you think about the rare guns that appears on those shows and wonder what they are? Cause I sure don't. I'm too busy laughing my ass off to how funny these series are, not wondering if the shotgun Homer used in the Zombie episode was a Winchester Model 1887 or that it never appeared in any other episode following. I don't care and I dont think anyone else should care. We're getting cartoon fanboys that thinks just because Family Guy has an episode where Stewie has a closet full of look alike guns, means we should write a page about them. Those guns are not the point of the show and the artist that drew them obviously didn't take much consideration for them or mention. I think Family Guy, The Simpsons, American Dad, and South Park be removed at once. None of them deserve to be on this site. And whoever puts them here doesn't respect this site enough.
::That's a little harsh. I added some of the info on those pages, thank you. I was eventually going to do the South Park movie, because it does in fact have some pretty obvious guns in it. Personally I think they shouldn't be removed but if they are to stay, someone should take the time to screencap them and show us what they are talking about. -GM45

==Reign of Fire==
I just finished screencapping [[Reign of Fire]] and before I upload them on the page, I wanted to see if you knew what this gun is. Based on what I see I'm assuming it is a .577 Nitro Tyrannosaurus Rex rifle built personally by the Mauser company's greatest gunsmiths based on the Mauser rifle type extractor/bolt release and the Mauser style firing pin striker seen on the gun. At first I thought it was a Model 70 or a Mauser sporterized and then they show what big ass rounds he loads in it so now I just don't know. I figured of all, you'd likely know best. Also, if it is a T-rex rifle, I'd likely need a picture of it because as usual, the internet sucks for finding gun pics. I know this gun is rare but so is the .600 Nitro double barreled rifle, but that is seen in [[The Lost World: Jurassic Park]] despite that. I'm not expecting a picture from you because I know how rare and expensive it is but I figured if it ever came up I could count on you.

Here's the pics:
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|His rifle resting up against the table.]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the extractor/bolt release and Mauser style striker.]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This scope symbol looks familiar, what brand is this?]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Look at the monstrous rounds he loads it with. Only two fit in the gun! They look like either .577 or .600 Nitro rounds.]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:ROFbigrifle-9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|He fires the rifle at the big bull dragon, which does nothing and tosses it away after two shots.]]

Hope you respond soon. -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]
::I've decided to upload the movie tommorow to give you more time to respond. -GM

: I didn't expect you'd have one, after all it isn't a mass produced company gun. Major members of the Mauser company make it customly crafted. You'll see it all on the page in a sec. Also, the pic I uploaded I had to edit so it was horizontal and since it had 4 whited corners after turning it, I had to clone the corners in. Once you know, it is far more obvious to tell where I edited.

==Re: New Pics==

What I meant is that I want to make sure people on this site see how thorough you are, and how accurately you match guns to requests. Remember that AR15 Sporter that you visually modified to look like an XM177 from ''[[The Dogs of War]]''? Or the two SIG P226s you made to look the ones in ''[[Face/Off]]'' and ''[[Bad Boys II]]''? Those are the kinds of gun pics that I want to show off to new folks. What I would do is just make a page that briefly explains your contributions, and then shows guns you've photographed and how close they are to those in the movies. This is an unformed idea, I admit, but basically, I want people browsing this sight to understand (1.) That your images are exclusive to IMFDB, and (2.) That they're basically close representations of what those users have seen in movies. I know I'm not being terribly articulate, but do you understand what I mean?

And don't worry about replacing previous pics with your pics. The rest of us will continue to do that for you, as we've been doing. So far, we've pretty much replaced all of the old M16s, M4s, Berettas, Glocks, Kar98s, MP40s, etc. with your guns. I think I'm gonna start putting your USP pic on our pages, too (except those that feature the larger .45 variant of the USP, like ''[[Collateral]]'').-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==AK-47 recognition page==
Now that you've made a Shotgun page, why not make an AK page to tell a Norinco from a Maadi from a genuine, from a poly tech, etc.
Also, maybe an M16 page for slab sides, A1s, A2s, etc.
It would probably help the users out a lot. I'm sure the shotgun page did. Personally, I have trouble telling a Norinco Type 56 aside from its hooded sight. Perhaps a couple of close ups of sight placement, recievers and all that will make me a more efficient I.Der. -GM45

== Dawn of the Dead ==

Hey, MPM2008, I uploaded some more shots of Ving Rhames' shotgun in [[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]] if you want to take a look, it's in the Custom Remington 870 section of the page. Thanks in advance.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Hey, MPM2008, do you want me to put protections on your images so no one can revert them if they've been upload over with images from the internet in the past, or upload over them? I'm asking this because some user keeps uploading a crappy picture from the internet over your H&K USP40 image. And if you want, I could ask Bunni to make you a mod or I can take the protections off them whenever you want to edit them or upload a new version of them. Let me know what you want to do.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Update: I protected all your images, and I also asked Bunni to make you an adminstrator so you can upload new versions of or revert them if want. If you not made an admin right away, just tell me what image you want to access, and I'll unlock it for you. I'm sorry I had to do this, but I wanted to prevent idiots like the guy who kept uploading over your H&K USP40 from changing your pictures, and I promise, if I ever get the ability to block users back, I will undo the protections. See you soon and good luck.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

:Made you a mod, enjoy. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 22:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Response ==

Thanks, I will always make sure your images stay the way they are. And I didn't understand that user either, I told him politely a bunch of times to stop, but he wouldn't listen. What really intrigues me most is how somebody could prefer a crappy image they probably found on Google Images over an excellent well photographed image such as yours. As for being a mod, congratulations, but I most warn you that the block function is not working at this time, but Bunni is trying his best to fix it, but you will be able to delete any pages or images you don't want, and you will also be able to protect pages. And if we ever get the ability to block back, that one user is going to be the first on my list.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

As for the 870, take as much time as you need to, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait when it's uploaded. I will also have more requests in the future, but I won't bother you with them right now. And I also I have a question, I read your new project pictures thing on your user page, and when you say 870 riot configurations, do mean Remington 870s similar in appearence to the one seen in [[Walking Tall]]? Thanks, and good luck, I can't wait to see any future images you upload.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Update- MPM2008, you are now able to block vandals.

==Re:Special page==

Well, that's fine. But now that you're a mod and your images can be protected, I don't think there's much to worry about. I also think it would just be cool if new users understood right off the bat that IMFDB has essentially its own movie armorer. -MT2008

== Other Request ==

Hey, MPM2008, whenever you get the chance, is there a possiblity you can get me a Beretta 92FS Inox or Stainless model of the Beretta 92FS? Thanks in advance. Also, good work with your recent images, I really like the new Walther P99, I was going to ask for one, but you thought about it before I did. Keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

==Sin City Yellow Bastard's custom 92FS==
YB's Beretta 92FS in [[Sin City]] is a unique blend of a factory black and an Inox model, similair to SIG-Sauer used in 2 fast 2 furious. Since AQ11 just asked for an Inox, if you get your hands on one, do yuo think you could mix the two together. This is the gun in the movie.
[[Image:SC92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note how it has reverse tutone rather than the typical factory style.]]

Thanks -GM45

==Re: Reign of Fire==
Thanks. Take your time on the Ultimax, it isn't a big deal right now. Wiki just made me an Admin. so I'm feeling pretty damn special right now. I'm going to get the Punisher (2004) on today, than I'm finally back on track with my original list. -GM45

=="Non Guns"==

I just made a page for the [["Non Guns"]], and I'm curious to know what you think of it. I don't know a whole lot about them besides what I've read online, whereas I imagine you've probably got some experience with them, since I've heard many armorers rent them for scenes where blanks are unsafe. Any thoughts? Would say the summary I've done at the top of the page is a pretty good description of what they do?

Cheers.-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Haha, trust me, I hear you on the "fugly" part. I cringe every time I spot a Non Gun in a movie or TV show, because they're ''soooooo'' fake-looking and too many idiot directors don't even think to film them at angles/lighting conditions where it won't be so obvious what they are. But, like you've said, our goal here is to be educational and informative, and no matter how crappy Non Guns might look, they are still important to the topic of guns in cinema, and that's what we're here for. :) The images are from Weapons Specialists' web site, which apparently subrents them; ISS has their own pictures, but I prefer Weapons Specialists' because theirs don't have the measuring tape above the gun.

:Sorry to hear you've been sick, but don't worry...you never have to apologize for anything. I really like the idea of your "Hello IMFDB!" card and think it would be great for our site. I will, of course, not demand it or anything, but it would be awesome if we had something like that. I agree with the idea of using the IMFDB logo, though if I can think of anything else, I'll tell you. As usual, thanks for all the work you've been doing (for us AND Hollywood), and thanks for the kind words on my Non Guns page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== 2nd-Gen Glock 23 ==

Hey, I was wondering if you could possibly provide an image of a 2nd-Generation [[Glock#Glock 23|Glock 23]] for the article on ''[[The Fugitive]]'', since the image for that weapon on the page is of a 3rd-Generation model with accessory rails on the frame as opposed to the smooth-framed 2nd-Generation model seen in the screenshots? I already edited the [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]] section similarly for that article and the sequel ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'', and was wondering if you could help me out with that one image so I don't have to chase down an image on Google. Thanks in advance. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904

:I asked for Second-Generation Glocks, those are 3rd generation (note the accessory rails at the front of the frame). Seeing as someone identified the compact Glock model in the film in question as a Glock 19 it's something of a moot point now. However, a 2nd-Generation [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] image would be appreciated as there's none available here yet and there's several pages here that could benefit from an image of that weapon. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904

== Get Well Soon ==

Hey MPM2008, I heard you were sick so I wanted to stop by and say get well soon.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

==My man!==

Awesome! The AKM and Type 84 look great; they're just what we needed. It's weird that I haven't been able to find a good picture of a standard fixed-stock Type 84 anywhere; yours might just be one of the best pics of this gun on the entire 'net right now. Question...is the AKM a Maadi, or is some other make? I would like to edit the entry on the AK-47 page to say if it is or not.

I will start phasing out the old pictures and replacing them, although it seems you guys have a head start on me. And thanks for the other new pictures as well - love that new PSG-1, the Uzi Carbine, and of course the "plain" 870 police (which, like you said, was something we REALLY needed). I'm also glad to see you're better, too. Take care. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

(BTW...dunno if you've noticed, but I only discovered this recently; if you hit the " ~ " key four times, it signs your posts automatically so that you don't have to type out your username. I've been using Wikis for several years now and I only just figured that out. Alienqueen discovered this long before I did, but just a heads-up.)

== Great work ==

Thanks for the police 870, it looks excellent. we really needed a standard since so many of the 870s on the site look like that. I'll be sure to replace all the 870s that need to be replaced with that. And also, I'm glad to hear you got better.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Pics==

Hi,

First of all, thanks yet again for the new pics! The SR9s are nice, but...I had no idea that some SR9s in movies are actually converted from HK91s? If that's the case, then by all means, you should still go ahead and put down those pics under the SR9 section of the G3 page. But does this also mean that the SR9(T) from ''[[The Replacement Killers]]'' is one of these guns? Again, this is just a huge revelation for me. I still see no reason to put them under the HK91 entry, simply because if they're meant to be SR9s, just as the converted HK94s are meant to be MP5s, then I think it's appropriate to label them as such.

And, thanks for the Type 56 that looks like the ''[[Goldeneye]]'' ones. If you want to shoot it again with the regular non-blued bolt carrier, that's fine by me. However, I should also point out that the ones in ''Goldeneye'' also have red bakelite magazines, so you might wanna give it one of those, too. Then, you'll have something identical to the ''Goldeneye'' "AKS-74s". But I will still use the picture you have in the meantime. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:Hmmm. Yeah, I guess I figured when I noticed the trigger, but I wasn't sure if the gun from ''[[The Replacement Killers]]'' was genuine or not. Was this sort of thing done because real SR9s were too expensive? I figured since the SR9 used to be a readily available civilian "assault rifle", armorers would use it.

:However, if your guns are a fairly accurate representation of the SR9s that have appeared in movies, then it's better that you've given us images of these particular guns. I agree with you that our goal should be to have the most accurate representations of movie guns possible, and since you're an armorer, we can anticipate that yours represent what movies use.-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

::''only 125 TCs were imported into the entire USA and only 100 T models''

::Wow, it was really that few? OK, that explains everything. I had no idea they were so rare to begin with. Even HKPRO, which has import data for most of the -90 series guns, didn't have that info. Thanks for those numbers.

::Like I've said, I think this means it's good that we have the pics you've taken because they are a very accurate representation of the SR9s actually used in movies. I would recommend you do one of those "Movie Armorer's Notes" in the SR9 section of the G3 page, just like you did for the Colt Commando section on the M16 page, explaining what you've told me. Hope it doesn't bother you that we're unmasking all of the various tricks that you armorers have been using over the years to convince moviegoers they're seeing one gun when it's actually another! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

==Re: SR9==

I think part of the problem is that there just aren't enough people who take Wikis in general seriously. As far as HK aficionados go, one of my pet peeves is that way too many of them I meet are way too arrogant towards non-HK owners for not being able to appreciate the "Teutonic superiority" (as Larry Correia put it) of HK weapons. Sorry to say that I dunno if you can please some of them no matter what you do. :)

Personally, I accept that there's some stuff that even Hollywood's people have to do in order to make our movie experience satisfactory. Like when we were talking about the ''[[Jarhead]]'' Abrams tanks...it's a necessary evil for Hollywood vehicle wranglers to dress up an English Centurion to look like an M1A1 simply because unless you're Spielberg, it's very hard to get the DoD to lend you a real one for a show. And likewise, in 1984, it was not possible to get real Soviet AKMs, RPG-7s, and DShKs, so the Stembridge armorers had to find the next best thing. But I also enjoy uncovering these tricks simply because I'm an enthusiast of firearms and military equipment in general, so I always like seeing how Hollywood's people think on the fly in adverse circumstances. There's an art to it, no? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction on the Four Brothers' HK33, it was labeled as a HK41 long before I started editing the page, I just took the screenshot. And also, thanks for the new images, I'm putting up the new M16A2 on pages right now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, every image you upload is great. I also have a question, how do you get the pictures so perfect? Because your gun images are probably some of the best, if not the best gun images I ever seen on the internet. And yea, your new camera really does make a difference, the new versions of the images look great. Anyway, good job on your recent images, and can't wait to see your future M16s.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I see, you put alot of effort into your images and that's exactly what makes them great. I agree that alot of gun sites have bad images, some gun books don't have the best pictures either. One problem with some sites is that they also don't use the best examples, like they'll have a picture of gun but it'll have a whole bunch of modifications on it when the unmodified one is what's really needed, and I agree which should replace as many as the old images as possible. And I think visitors do notice your images because if you look at your Remington 870 Riot Model's file page, it has almost 200 views anad it's only been there since Sunday. And good work on the new M4, if you noticed, Hieloco (the user who kept trying to replace your images with "Net" Images) uploaded a version of the ColtM4 file with similar attachments, but yours beats his by by a long shot. And also is that the same M4 you mentioned on MT2008's talk page that the actor dropped? Just wondering.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:40, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

==re:M16A2==

First of all, thanks so much for the new M16A2! The AR15 A2 picture was nice, too, but I just thought it'd be better to have the real deal, and it's nice that we have it now. AlienQueen's already been getting to work on replacing the old M16A2 with the new one, and I'll help out, too. The Luger is another image we needed - and the fact that it's from ''Hogan's Heroes'' is especially cool! As far as the HK91 goes, I didn't notice the shadow, but the new one is fine by me. There's only one that troubles - I think the newer Taurus 85 image is a bit fuzzier compared to the old one.

As far as future stuff goes, I have another recommendation. You know how we have an AR15 section under the M16 rifle page? I'd like to get some more un-modified, basic civvie AR15 variants on there, especially Colt Sporters, because I've seen them used in quite a few movies and TV shows that stand in for mil-spec M16s. We've already got an SP1 with an A2 hand guard that you took for the ''[[Heat]]'' page, but I think we should also have SP1s without the forward assist (both A1 and A2 forearms) and a carbine with a 16" barrel. What do you think? (Sadly, I have added more guns to your to-do list...inevitable.)

And yes, we definitely have some of the best gun pics on the 'Net thanks to you. I must admit I'm still smitten with the fact that Norinco Type 84 pics are basically non-existent in just about any gun image site around (even World Guns, which is usually pretty reliable)...except here. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, one other thing occurred to me, something we need more than the Colt Sporter ARs...do you think you could get some pics of [[Thompson Submachine Gun]]s? All of our Tommy images are jacked from elsewhere on the Net. It's about time they were replaced. Of course, I know we've already given you a ridiculous number of requests, so I won't bug you too much. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

==Sergio Leone Trilogy==
I finished the Leone Trilogy yesterday and I was wondering if you could I.D. the machine gun used in ''[[A Fistful of Dollars]]'', someone said it was a fake but wasn't very specific. I figured if it was some type of fake movie gun, you'd know best.

:Also, excellent Single Action Army picture, that's a beautiful gun. Care to tell me a little about the one you uploaded? Thanks. -GM

P.S. Check out [[Last Man Standing]], I just got that done.

Good job on the Luger P08, it looks great. I don't think the finishes are a big deal, to tell you the truth, I don't even notice it. And it's cool that it was used in Hogan's Heroes, because not only is it a special gun, but someone's destined to make a Hogan's Heroes page eventually, and it will be of a great use when someone does. Keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

::Speaking of LMS, his two .45s uniquely have diamond grips and I was wondering if you could take a special picture of A1s with diamond grips. I made a rough draft picture of what I had in mind.
[[Image:CrossM1911A1s-w-diamondgrips-roughdraft.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cross placed, fitted with diamond grips.]]
Let me know what you can do. -GM

==re: Taurus 85 & G3==

Haha...whoops, you're right. I keep forgetting, but...when you upload a new version of an existing image, IMFDB doesn't instantly replace it. Instead, the old image goes fuzzy for a period of time (which seems to vary from hours to days; no clue why) before the new image replaces it. I saw your Taurus Mod 85 pic when it was in this fuzzy "transitional" phase and the thought slipped my mind that this happens. The filter from my brain to my mouth (or rather, my keyboard) doesn't work sometimes, I guess.

As far as the G3 page goes, it is unfortunate. One thing I find annoying about Wikis is that there's apparently no way to confine an image to a particular section of a page when you use the "align" code, so when we follow page conventions and force an image to shift left, right, or center, it totally fucks up the formatting if the images are bigger than the text (which is going to be common for guns that don't have very many movie appearances listed). The only thing you can do is just add lots of space in between each section manually so that the images fit into the section.

But I do agree with you on one thing...why do we need a regular sporter SR9 with the thumbhole stock? Have you seen a movie with one? Do you or any of your fellow armorers have any in stock? Better yet, is there any movie or TV show that would NEED some heavily neutered civilian version of a G3? I kinda doubt it, so I would say it doesn't make sense to include the image. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 06:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I ditched the other two SR9 pics. Til we get movies with them (and I know I haven't heard of any yet), no point in having them on there.

:Nice that you found those long-barreled AK folders. I'm pretty sure that Vollmer had at least one at sale (years ago, back when their sales site was still online), but they are quite rare in this country indeed. As far as the pics from World Guns go...it's a mix, just like here. Some of them are pics that the site's editors took themselves, others are jacked from other sites, and some are scanned from books or gun rags. I've usually just used them because (before us), they were one of the most comprehensive gun sites on the net. But I definitely think that because of you, IMFDB now has not only good movie gun images, but some of the best gun images, PERIOD.

:Good luck on your current projects, and don't let those idiot Obama-supporting actors fuck up any more of your guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

==The special page==

Remember how a while ago I asked you if I could try making a page that explained to new IMFDB users just how significant it was that we have a movie armorer who photographs his company's guns for us? Well, I finally got around to trying it out. Here it is:

[[MoviePropMaster2008: IMFDB's Own Armorer]]

The title is kinda cheesy, I admit, but it was the best I could think of. The other issue is that I'm not always sure my facts are straight, so if you want to correct anything, go right ahead. And I realize this might be kind of a lame idea - but I just feel it's important for everyone to understand how important your work is to this site. What do you think? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

:Oh, trust, I fully understand what you mean about wanting to remain anonymous. Even if you weren't a pro-RKBAer working in an industry that is hostile to gun ownership (and non-liberals in general), it would still be perfectly reasonable to want to remain anonymous. When you're a professional of any sort, working in any industry, you don't want to do post something on a web site under your own name that could get you in trouble. As far as the page goes, however, I don't think it should be too big a deal for your anonymity as long as you avoid giving us your name. It's mostly just a way for us to brag that we have someone who can provide us with such great pictures, and to make sure that our new users understand the significance of those pictures. :-) But if you really are uncomfortable with it, that's fine, too...I can ditch it. It took all of 15 minutes to make.

:BTW, I dunno if you're OK telling me this or not (if not I understand), but are you a member of the American Entertainment Armorers' Association? I remember Dan Shea announcing its creation on a forum I used to visit, a couple years ago now. I understand that it was created specifically to address the threat from Cali's gun laws upon your businesses? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

==More SAAs==
Your Colt Peacemakers are great, my western pages greatly need them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Be sure to check out [[Hellboy II: The Golden Army]], I just finished it. -GM

==Image use on WIkipedia?==
Hi, I am an editor on the English Wikipedia. I came across this great site as it completes the media appearances lacking in our firearms pages. You've got some fantastic images of some obscure equipment in the idea configuration - that is, clear background and side profile shots. These would really help us illustrate some of our pages that are lacking in media content. Would you be kind enough to allow us to use these images on Wikipedia? We could upload them under an attribution license and provide a link to this Wiki in return. Kind regards, Koalorka from the WP:Firearms teams. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.219.131|99.232.219.131]] 12:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:Any chance of obtaining a response? I can be reached at koalora at rogers.com. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.219.131|99.232.219.131]] 12:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

::If you are hesitant or have any further questions regarding licensing, feel free to ask. Wikipedia is by principle an entirely non-profit organization as you are probably aware and we could not compensate you financially for the images. I do recognize that there was some considerable effort involved in collecting some of these rare specimens (still salivating over the CETME Ameli) and then setting up a studio with professional lighting, hardware etc. What we can offer to do is attribute you properly and generate additional traffic and awareness for this site and any other organization you specify (even the armory/studio that owns the firearms). If you agreed to have your images uploaded to our server, every one of them would be licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license that requires the copyright holder to be properly credited every time the image is displayed, in either modified or unmodified form. The license does not impair or restrict your moral rights. Here is the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ license description]. We can do a "test" image so to speak, upload an individual image to see if that satifies your expectations.

:In other words, don't make me beg.. :D At least the Ameli, pretty please.

:Regards.
:: To Koaloarka, I appreciate your kind words and gracious offer. As you can probably tell, I've been thinking about the offer. I'm obviously not jumping at the opportunity or else I would have communicated much earlier than now. I must assess what I've been trying to do for the last six months. Since I joined IMFDB I've been working extraordinarily hard to provide the site with exclusive gun images that are available nowhere else. Everyone here knows the hard work, time and $$ spent on trying to get the best quality images of the weapons available anywhere (on the net). And obviously I do it for the benefit of IMFDB. I'm torn by the upside of increased awareness to the site, but I am also not eagerly anticipating the inevitable diluting of the 'exclusivity' of IMFDB's images when they start showing up everywhere on the web.

:: Some background to my thinking - I would not have done the images for a simple firearms site. I probably would not have worked so hard for six months to get these types of images for a gun wiki. IMFDB's unique focus is that it mixes weapons and CINEMA, especially movie trivia and factoids which are not part of the 'regular gun owner's lexicon. '''That is the field I'm in''', and I welcomed the idea of a place where I can contribute my experience and information (mostly 'lost' on the 'regular firearms crowd'). Many of my images are hybrid guns (M16a2s with A1 features or vice versa), or some of custom guns made for the movies (Custom Type 84s or AMD-65s), or weird combinations of uppers and lowers (like the M16 variants, or the 2 toned handguns,etc). which are not factory standards nor are they historically accurate. I remember once, when a firearms historian and enthusiast looked at some of my handguns (SIG P226s and USPs) and was wondering what was wrong with my barrels. He didn't fathom nor appreciate the fact that these were REAL movie guns. He was just disdainful that they were 'ruined' because of the customization needed for blank firing in movies. Anyway, I was toying with the possibility of a limit release of images with a specific watermark or copyright. I was thinking of using similar but not identical images (but still identifying IMFDB.org as the source of the image) with a translucent copyright logo, but that would take some time. But I have not decided yet and I hope you understand my reluctance at this time. I've only been doing this for six months and I don't think I'm ready right now to 'give away' the work I've done when I'm not complete updating the gun images for IMFDB. Perhaps when I've stopped or retired from getting gun pics for IMFDB ....
::''Now there are some sites who already have MY permission to use some MY images, but each one of those entities provided weapons to be photographed, so they helped me personally with the photography itself. (some FFLs, a few collector friends, other armorers, etc.) So you might see a recognizable shot somewhere else, but they will be watermarked and copyrighted as license granted to that entity.

::Anyway I'm still thinking about it. Give me a little time. I am also conferring with other Administrators of IMFDB and I welcome their input. Ultimately, I will have to make some sort of decision (as the original photographer and copyright holder) as to where I wish to release the rights. Hope that helps.

::[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:::I agree with what you say about how many people in the gun-owning community aren't going to appreciate what these guns are if they see them on any random gun site. Like, who the hell is going to understand that in Hollywood, HK91s are converted to look like SR9s, or AR15 SP1 carbines converted to look like XM177s? However, one thing I think you should consider is that some of the guns you've photographed are hard to find pictures of, and your pictures represent not only good "movie gun" images, but good gun images, period. The Type 84 pics you've taken are a very good example, because like I said earlier, good pics of the Type 84 seem extraordinarily hard to come by. The new FG42 image is also one that I think can be considered particularly special.

:::I would say that at the very least, you should consider it on a case-by-case basis; whether the gun image you have stands as both an important gun image as well as an important "movie gun" image. But ultimately, these are your images, so the decision is yours. Take my opinion only for what it's worth. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

::::I was not asking for a blanket-release of your work into the public domain or any such thing, just a few individual photographs of authentic and obscure and unmodified firearms, i.e. the CETME Ameli, FG42. Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.226.200|99.232.226.200]] 18:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::I KNEW that. But work on Wikipedia WILL be jacked and seen all over the web. And the more removed the image is from the original source (here) the harder it is to force people to remove pirated images on their own sites. I fully intend to slam pirates who steal my images (which is my right), but it's harder when they can say'' "Oh I got it from Wikipedia, who are you? What authority do YOU have to tell me not to use a stolen pic?"'' It might be helpful to make a list of what you are interested in. I am considering creating an alternate image of the same gun with watermarks and attributions for 3rd parties (though it's not something I was planning to do at this time). Let me know your list and we can discuss it. thanks [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::The attribution license is for that purpose specifically, if you are not properly attributed when the image is displayed, that person has violated your rights to the image and is liable for prosecution under international or US copyright laws. Keep in mind that those willing to pirate your images will do so whether or not you agree with it, this will happen at a higher frequency once your sites gains in popularity; by letting Wikipedia use your images, your images will proliferate the net with the proper license, exposing your work and Imfdb.org to the mainstream. Right now, we can do just one image to determine if you'd be satisfied with the end result; how about the Ameli? The CETME Ameli page does not receive too many hits due to the scarcity of the gun. Kind regards. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.226.200|99.232.226.200]] 19:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

::Any progress here? You asked for a list, we would just like the AMELI at this time. Regards. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.219.131|99.232.219.131]] 17:21, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

==Smiths==

Thanks so much for the Smiths, but especially the Model 29! All the ones on the page before now were 629s, and I figured we needed an original blued M29. In fact, it seems almost like blasphemy that this is exactly what Dirty Harry used and we haven't had the right gun until tonight. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 06:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:Oh, yeah, forgot about that other S&W 29, hehe. But still, an MPM2008 photo of a Smith is always preferable to some random image from Google. And to answer your question - yes, you should feel free to replace old pictures jacked from Google with yours. There's no reason why anyone should complain, because...

:*(A.) Your pictures are always vastly superior to the old ones
:*(B.) It takes no effort to copy an image off the web, whereas taking your own pics is a time-consuming process (especially the way you do it)
:*(C.) You're an administrator now, so you have the final word anyway.

:As far as the other Wiki guy's offer goes, I agree that you should only do it if you can mark the images as your own first, or if they give you proper credit (and link to this site, guaranteeing us more hits :). Come to think of it, it might not be a bad idea to do that with ALL of your gun images from now on, just to make sure that we mark them definitively as ours. But although I like being able to think of your gun images as exclusively IMFDB's, not so sure I like the idea of clamping down on other users. I mean, let's face it, we'd look like hypocrites because many of the images on IMFDB are still jacked from other sites (though this will change eventually, of course). World Guns would probably throw a fit if they saw this site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I suppose you're right...if World Guns did ask us to remove all of the images we've used without permission, I would immediately comply with their request. However, you gotta admit that it's still going to be kind of flattering if people decide that IMFDB is a great source of gun images (not just "movie gun" images) and want to use our pics.

:BTW, have you talked to any of the other armorers about IMFDB? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

==Predator==
I never knew they tend to used A1 muzzle breaks but it does make sense, A1 star flashes look cool (I'm still in awe over the shot when the muzzle flash is out 2ft in each direction)

I hope you don't mind that I edited your pictures together, I just used what I had. I'll just leave them on the page like that until you take some SP1 pics. Thanks. More to come on the Predator page. -GM

Same film different subject. Do you know who mounted the Shotgun under Billy's Rifle. It looks like a Ciener Ultimate only it uses a Mossberg 500 and it's several years before Jane's says such systems came out. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 08:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

==Hollow Point==
[[Image:Type84HybridRifle.jpg]]

Thanks for the Type 84S specific to the [[Hollow Point]] page. I really apprieciate it. Was the gun actually used in the movie or do you mean it is made to look the same? -GM

==The Mask==
I have it on my list, so I'll get it done eventually. -GM

Alienqueen11 here, sorry if I got in the way when you were uploading gun images when I was uploading those Resident Evil screenshots. --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks for the new guns==

I really like those new SIGs you uploaded (just ditched the old P220R image and replaced it with yours on all pages), as well as the Type 84 folder and the Madsen M50 (the movie ''[[City of God]]'' features those, so we gotta get that image on that page whenever someone screencaps it).

Also, can you by chance tell me what kind of shotgun this is (from my page for ''[[The Crow]]''):

[[Image:Vlcsnap-269025.png|thumb|none|500px|]]

Who makes that bullpup stock? I think it's a Muzzelite, but I dunno, and a Google search seems to turn up negative for info or images on this gun. I know I've seen it in at least a couple of action movies from the 1990s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

:Ah, OK, thanks for clarifying the type of gun used to kill Lee. I figured it was the 629 that killed him because I have heard from various articles that the gun was definitely a .44 Magnum, and the character of Funboy uses the 629 throughout the movie. Any idea why they switched to another gun for that one scene? Seems like it would have been identifiable as a continuity error had the scene been finished and Lee had not been killed.

:And don't worry; I do fully appreciate (have heard it many times) that the entire reason that the accident happened was because the production sent the armorer home in order to save money. And I have heard it was the fault of some clueless property assistant(s) who were responsible for the fuck-up that got Lee killed.

:Also, I appreciate the ID on Grange's shotgun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

==Re:Dibbs==
I didn't think of it that way but I completely understand what you mean. I'll change the word. Dibbs is kind of declaring it is mine, simply saying that a movie is on my to-do list changes it sort of. The only movies I would really want to declare "dibbs" on are the ones I ordered on DVD, even when I own them on VHS already, just so I can screencap them. I'll remove my dibbs messages and just let people know I plan to do it, and if no one else plans to do it, I would like to. "Dibbs" was simply a poor choice of words. It's not like I'm locking the page from someone else to work on though. When Orca1 9904 asked to do [[Tears of the Sun]], I let him. (AQ11 even cut off the widescreen bars now). When you asked to do Rambo III, I let you. (P.S. Let me know if you need me to finish that.) I agree tho, it was a dumb idea.
P.S. I screencapped Iron Man, sorry. -GM

== One more request ==

Hey MPM2008, when I asked for the Beretta 92FS Inox, I happened to notice GM45 asked for a reversed Two Tone Beretta 92FS for use on the [[Sin City]]. If you happen to get ahold of them, I would like to know if you can combine them the factory style way as well and photograph it if you can, because a Beretta like that would be useful for pages such as [[Hostage (2005)]]. Here's a screenshot of the gun in the movie:

[[Image:HostageBerettatutone-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HostageBerettatutone-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

Thanks in advance.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

That's an awesome shot as always, aAnd you're right that has to be the best shot of the gun on the entire internet. I like it the way it is, and excellent work on your most recent images too, I really like the M16A4. Also, are you still considering the Wikipedia user's offer?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

==AK-104==
It looks great. The magazine is no big deal. Even with that magazine, you still have the only well-taken AK-104 on the net. Don't worry about fixing it right away, it looks awesome even with the wrong mag. One thing though. You never know when one day a movie could have an AK-104 with a waffle mag so don't just cover over it if you take a new pic. You replaced the MAC-10 with the after market mag with the newer image, but you never know when one could be seen using one. Just a pointer. I'm almost done with [[Hot Fuzz]], then I'm gonna do [[Tropic Thunder]], [[Crank]], [[Shawshank Redemption]], and [[The Dirty Dozen]]. Should have them all done by the end of the month. (With deer season, my job to fix guns has been pulling me away. Plus, I hunt myself on occasion.) Keep up the good work. -GM

:If I use the word "sexy" to describe a gun picture, what does that say about me? LOL.

:I like it. And I agree with Alienqueen; I wouldn't worry too much about the mag. However, I must say that I'm a little more excited about some of the other pics you uploaded while I was at work today...thanks so much for re-doing that Type 56-1 picture for the ''[[Goldeneye]]'' page with the AK-74 muzzle break and plastic mag, and I also really appreciate you getting the Benelli M1 Super 90 (oddly enough, we don't have a page for that gun, for whatever reason). And the new XM177 pic is something we REALLY needed; time to ditch that old XM177 picture we've been using to represent "Colt Commandos" in movies (I think it's actually a Tokyo Marui airsoft replica, anyway).

:But...for now, I must do more GRE studying and personal statements for grad school apps. Sadly, I'm getting way too busy to make regular contributions these days, but real life keeps calling. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:I wouldn't worry too much about the stock, because if you notice every image you upload always finds a use. There's no telling if a movie will come up with an AK 104 in the same configuration, plus if it's a movie gun, the movie it was used in will have to come up eventually. But if you want to upload a new one, that's entirely up to you.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:50, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

:So finishes can cause that much trouble when combining parts? Makes you wonder how they do it because I see soo many Berettas in wierd configurations in movies, I remember seeing a Beretta 92FS Inox with a black barrel in Kiss of The Dragon. And also, how rare is it to see a two tone Beretta 92FS? Because even if you search it on Google, there aren't many images of one.

And about the FG421, that is one wierd looking gun, is it German made? Because it resembles the MG42's from [[Saving Private Ryan]] a little bit, but I must say the grip dosen't look too comfortable with the way it's positioned. But another great image none the less.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

==FG-42==
Nice piece. It must be rare, I don't ever see them in my typical order books like Southern Ohio Guns or any other vintage firearms catalogs. Like AQ said, I think the grip is positioned ackwardly and seems uncomfortable. Like all the other cool German guns, I can't own it sadly. I don't see why they would make it a paratrooper gun, way too big. Nice pic. Glad you didn't ignore it in the back. -GM

==No Problem==
You're welcome. Despite not being such a great movie, it was quite interesting gun-wise :))

==Taps and Mr. & Mrs. Smith==
I don't own Tapps and have never seen it but I own the Extended Cut of Mr. & Mrs. Smith, which includes a scene with a Mini-gun and cool other things. It is on my list and once my to-do list pile is reduced, I'll get on it. Right now I'm working on Tropic Thunder and The Shawshank Redemption. -GM

==The FG42==

Damn, that thing is beautiful! Reminds me why one can never fail to give the Nazis points for ingenuity when it came to weapons. I seriously want one, along with a Sturmgewehr. Good news though! Have you heard about this? http://www.ssd-weapon.com/engl_web/produkte_en/fg42_en/fg42_en.htm Apparently, they've got civvie reproductions of these guns now! Dunno if/when they'll get imported/manufactured in the States. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

:Your choice, I guess. Are they being imported to the states yet, though? The site doesn't list a U.S. distributor, and I haven't seen any for sale yet. But yeah, it would be cool to have a picture of a nice new FG42, plus you can get the 2nd version which you told Alienqueen you didn't have.

:BTW, speaking of rare German weapons, do you have access to a Sturmgewehr (either -42 or -44)? There aren't too many movies with them that I'm aware of (besides ''[[Escape to Athena]]''), but they do appear in lots of WWII-themed games. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

==Remington 870==
Closest thing I can find is this bird gun in [[The Unit]].
[[Image:Unit-Mack'sshotty2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

:I read your story on Brandon Lee, that's tragic. I sometimes make dummy bullets and I ''always'' fire the primers before I reload the bullet. Your supposed to use super glue to make sure the round stays in the brass. Then you go to a wire wheel and polish the brass and get rid of any super glue that seeped out. I wonder why they never made "dud" primers that could look live but not go "bang" when the hammer falls on them. I first made dummy rounds with 8mm rounds for my Kar98k, but I didn't super-glue them in, and eventually they all fell into the shells and got stuck. It sucked. I'm sick with something bad and Tropic Thunder is gonna have to wait because I feel like crap. Have a good day. -GM
==Re:Morita==
Thanks, I'm feeling a little better. I was filling out some of the fictional firearms pages and I figured of all of them, you'd like the Morita page since I remembered you said you owned one. I deleted my page because yours came out better than mine. You know more about the movie any way, I have yet to see it fully and last time I saw it was too long ago to remember. -GM
:Nice SMLE pic! And I forgot to mention, the Colt Navy is beautiful. -GM

==Bankok Dangerous==
You made the page look much better now. Your shots are ''far'' clearer than mine. Thanks. -GM

==Tropic Thunder==
A Sporter II pic would be much apprieciated. To test the whole blank safety distance, I tested various blank calibers to a piece of paper and found 10 yards to be the ''dead zone''. Since I'm trying to make a movie with a few friends of mine (maybe something to show a film school), I'm going to use some blanks and want to know my limits. Obviously, since I'm the only one with true experiance and weapons intelligence, I'll be handling the blanks, post-production edits on my computer will fill the rest. I'll try my best to make them look like they know what their doing with guns, but they are pretty dumb. If you have any movie making tips, please let me know.
:P.S. I plan to make it a DVD and might even screencap it as a section on my profile. -GM

==Re:590==
Go for it, fine by me. Your pics are always better than what we find on google. -GM

==The new Cobray M11 picture==

The new Cobray M11/9 picture looks really cool! Thanks so much for that! Also, do you think it's appropriate to classify the M11/9 under the MAC-10 page? I have been thinking about giving that guns its own page for a while now. What do you think? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

:First of all, I completely missed the MAC-11. I've just been getting busier and busier (currently at work - on a Saturday! - indexing prior art PDF files now), and you upload so many images that I've missed a few here and there. I did like the SG550, though, and the the AMD-65 pics were also something nice (it's cool that you found the same style BFA as the Israelis). But that Type 56 is just...ugh, who the hell treats a nice gun that way? (in Africa or Afghanistan, sure, but not here in the states!) It's odd because I had no clue that the Type 56 was imported to the U.S. back when Uncommon Valor was filmed (82-83). I remember hearing it wasn't until 1984 that they reached these shores.

:As far as the Cobray page goes, I know what you mean about the mistake, but then again, we have the [[Taurus PT92]] page separate from the Beretta 92 page even though the PT92 is commonly mistaken for the 92F. The best thing to do would put a note at the top of the page suggesting people look at the Cobray page just in case.

:Appreciate the effort on the Thompson pics...like I said, we REALLY need some good ones. I hate the fact that someone put an Auto-Ordnance semi-auto Thompson clone with a long barrel to represent an "M1921". Also, from now on, whenever you upload pictures, please do the same thing you did with the Cobray; just upload them as a new version over the old ones. The way, we don't have to go back and replace the old image with your new image on every single page that has the old one. And like I said before, nobody should mind if you get rid of the old images, because yours are always better and you're an admin anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, it makes sense, what you're saying. Were the Type 56s from ''[[Deer Hunter]]'' also the same as the ones from ''[[Uncommon Valor]]''? I mean, let's face it...you don't see that many Chinese AKs (or AK-type firearms, period) in American movies before about the mid-80s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==That Type 56==
Holy shit, who handled that gun to make it that FUBAR?! One of my main jobs in my dad's shop is to clean up guns, so I understand how horrible that is. Mail it to me, I'll clean it up. -GM

Woah, that thing looks like it's 70 years old with every thing it been through. What did they do to it? I'll give it credit for one thing, that's a very good example of how durable and rugged an AK type assault rifle can be, especially with that kind of treatment.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

==Couple of questions regarding Walther pistols==

1) Has the current-generation P99 been converted or modified into a movie blank-firing gun that you know of? I ask because I see on the back cover of one of Wesley Snipes' DTV movies that he's holding one that appears to be a new-model P99, but it also looks like they took an UMAREX airsoft model and painted the tip black. Insight?

2) Word on a couple of forums is that the Walther PPS makes an appearance in Quantum of Solace, wielded by Olga Kurylenko. If possible, could you confirm? --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

::I don't know, but I will keep it in mind when I ask around. MPM2008

==Request==

[[User:Revolver|Revolver]] here
Just curious, could you get a good picture of the M4s used by the Air force in Iron Man? The ones with the ISM-V Scopes?
Possibly other pictures from the movie? Like the G36Ks and G36Cs?
::I'll add it to the gigantic list of things to do. best regards. MPM2008

==.577 Rifle==
That would be awesome. Do you think you could one pic before he mounts a scope and one when he does? You'd have the best picture of such a rifle on the internet. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 00:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Another Request ==

I was wondering, would it be possible for you to get your hands on a stainless steel [[Jericho 941]]? There's at least a couple pages here such as ''[[The Kill Point]]'' and ''[[Transporter 2]]'' that could benefit from it. I'm also still waiting for a 1st-gen [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] (or whichever version of the 19 it is that doesn't have rails on the frame). Thanks in advance. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Orca1_9904
:I didn't know it was an order, rather than a request (re the Glock) and I don't have a 2nd gen of my own or I would have posted it already. I have to track down someone with one and take the time to do the photoshoot, a real hassle BTW. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== About Png ==
Hi, for some strange reason VLC does not catches screenshots in jpg, only in png. In the future I will convert them in jpg before uploading. [[User:Fimvit|Fimvit]]

==Re: Goldeneye==

That's fine. In all honesty, it's a bad habit that I'm afraid I have, and I seem to be influencing other forum members to do it even though it does ruin the "encyclopedic" format of the pages, as you've said. I'll try to remember in the future; bad habits die hard for me. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== Re: ==

I know, I had already changed the settings. Regardless, it takes the snapshots in png. Can't figure out why...
Kind regards [[User:Fimvit|Fimvit]]

==Crank==
Hahahahahahaha, Blu-ray. I can't afford half a Blu-ray player. I'm still using DVDs, I guess this one just looks a little better. I've noticed some people use png files now, but they take too long to load and if you click on the image, it's just as clear as a jpg, so that's what I use. Thanks. Sorry I'm taking so long with it, I keep getting sidetracked. Go check out AQ11's profile talk and see my list of movies in my pile. Ugh. It's gonna be a long month. -GM

==Thanks==

Thanks so much for the new images (i.e. the USAS-12), and thanks for getting the Benelli shotgun page in order. It really needed an overall badly, and it's crazy that we never even had an entry anywhere for the M1 series before now. Also, nice work on ''[[Ultraviolet]]''; I've had that DVD in my collection for a while, but, like a lot of movies, simply never got around to capping it. No matter; yours are better than mine would have been.

Hope you've had a great Thanksgiving! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, I agree, the Molotov cocktail doesn't need a page. This is the Internet Movie ''Firearms'' Database, not the Internet Movie ''Weapons'' Database. Also, dunno if you saw, but some anonymous user tried to delete your user page, and has thus been nuked. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, yeah, almost forgot...I'm not really sure how to see page views besides going to "Special Pages" (under Toolbox on the left side) and there's a "Popular pages" section, but that's not quite what you need... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

==Re: Molotovs==
I understand what you mean fully but many pages link to the Molotov page and it's one of those mistakes that kind of has to be there now. I'm making [[The Whole Nine Yards]] as we speak and that had a molotov. I don't think it is a weapon deserving a spot but too many pages already have it and it's just easier if it is there. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 22:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

==Question about the SIGs from Double Team==

First of all, nice job so far on the ''[[Double Team]]'' page, even though it's not yet complete.

Anyway, I was looking at this picture:

[[Image:DoubleTeam-Gun-WallA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

What type of laser controls are those on the grip of the SIGs? I ask because I've seen the same setup on a SIG P228 that Denzel Washington uses in the movie ''[[Virtuosity]]'', and I was wondering who makes it. Or was it something done just for both movies? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Thompsons==

YES! They're awesome. Thanks so much...we ''really'' needed some good pics of Thompson SMGs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== Response (Sorry for being late) ==

Thanks for wishing me a Happy Thanksgiving, I hope you had a great one as well. As for improvised weapons, I agree with you, Propane tanks even though they were made to be bombs shouldn't be listed as weapons. But I agree the molotov should stay since it's already a page for it and it's on quite a few pages. Also good work on Starship Troopers, the page looks great, and the Thompson pictures are great as well. Keep up the good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

==Thompson==
Sounds good to me, we need some Thompsons. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 21:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

:Please, in the future, never hesitate to replace the old pics with yours. Yours are always better, plus when you just upload over the old ones, we don't have to replace the gun pics on each movie/TV/video game page individually. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

== Good Job ==

Good job on replacing all the [[Thompson]]s, the new pictures look great. Also, are you still going to upload an M16A3? And also did some of the M16 type guns you uploaded come from Iraq? I mean like the M16A4, and the M4A1 with the scope and RIS Foregrip.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==Taegukgi==
I can barely stand anime let alone flash animation shorts. I think it disrespects the hard work we do to screencap movies (and you great efforts to make sure we have images galore) and we have a page for some little short? I don't see why someone would watch it and wonder "Would someone like to know what guns are used in this?" Maybe if someone froze and capped the short it MIGHT be acceptable.

P.S I've been working on [[Wanted]] for 2 days, there are so many guns and continuity errors (guns switch to others in seconds), it is driving me crazy. While most I can figure out, some user input such as your own would be much apprieciated. I feel like I'm lying to the people who read my message at the top of the page that says "I'll have it done today" and can't because I busy. I hope they all understand. I'll make sure I give them the excellent page they've been waiting for (and get rid of the abismal bootleg images). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I think at the very least, a re-direct is in order. The flash animation should be something like "Taegukgi (Flash Animation)". But personally, I'm really kinda skeptical of including stuff that's not professional media. Next thing we know, any kid who makes action movies with his friends and their airsoft guns is gonna try and make an IMFDB page. This is an even bigger problem with mods for first-person shooter games, because there are lots of user-made mods on the 'Net.

:That reminds me...when I get done with the GRE, I need to get the FAQ done that I've been meaning to do. Once I draft it, I would like all the Admins on here to take a look, and we should all agree on particular terms. In it, I will specify rules on stuff like including Flash Animation. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

::Agreed. I have already warned several users that I will not allow images from bootleg copies of movies not out on DVD to be posted on IMFDB, but I missed ''[[Tunnel Rats]]'' because I had no idea what it was or when it was coming out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

::I also think Anime is ok because it is something licienced, and more official. It's like saying Anime is to films and TV shows is to Flash and Fan made shorts with their home cameras and posted on youtube. I mean, should we start looking up shorts that people film themselves and then upload on Youtube? I don't think so. It's annoying, kinda insulting and a waste of time at the same time to even think of it. I do some of the Anime because I believe how they draw the weapons make them worthy of mention and images worth showing to see how real they drew them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Care to take a look at my RE:E movie page? ==

Since no one did this page since the DVD release, I decided to do so. I need some check ups cause I always have a hard time telling Taurus from Beretta. Also see if you can ID the Cobray M11 for me if it is one. The previous guy posted up and even I thought it was an MP7 until I looked closer. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

*''[[Resident Evil: Extinction]]''

== I can't be nice anymore ==

Someone has to draw the line. This guy Don whatever. He just posted a NEW flash animation on this site. What the hell? I've see the pics or trash that resembles pictures of guns and he thinks those are what they are? Is he high or some punk kid that thinks it's so cool that it deserves to be on this site. Sift Head and that other flash animation thing, Taegukgi. Those are pardon my language, pieces of shit that are NOT worthy of this place that some of us hold with respect. Yeah, they seem entertaining, but if we decide to let something this slide, then whose to stop from putting other flash animations that have "drawings" of guns on them because "Oh they have guns, so therefore they should be on this site". I want to remove it, but I like a majority vote instead of me acting pissed of. I'm asking everyone else their thoughts. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== My airsoft ==

So what do you think of my airsoft? I know a lot of people have a bad idea about what airsoft is, so what do you think? I'm a guy who likes to show off sometimes, that's one reason why I ask since I've updated pictures on my page, but more to ask what others think, particularly people who are more into firearms. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

:Just the same, I know you can tell my ONE Glock is real over the others listed that aren't. I don't go to the range as often as I want. Bullets are expensive and so is renting time on the range closest to me. I only play with Airsoft because it's the only time where I get to shoot people and not feel the slightest remorse whatsoever. I'm killing them in a manner of speaking. I have ran into the types of guys that only knows Airsoft brand names. I on the other hand am really interested in the real life counter parts that inspires Airsoft, this is where I found out so much info on real guns...but I still have trouble telling Berettas from Taurus and between shotguns sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== FN FAL ==

Could take a picture of an FN-FAL?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

==Re:Predator==
Thanks, it wasn't on my list but I saw the page was incomplete so I made time for it. Sorry I edited your pictures, but it looks better than an empty spot for now.

Also, excellent job with the Uzi pic, it looks great. I too never liked that Uzi pic before. I just finished screencapping [[Unforgiven]] so be sure to check that out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"==
Do you think you could check your armory for a [[Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"]] rifle? Also, a lot of the ones in films are used as Henry rifles by removing the forend, the advantage being the lack of a spring follower pinching the shooter's hand. So if you do find a Yellow Boy, could you remove the forend and snap a shot of that as well? Thanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== H&K USP and H&K MK 23 ==

Could you replace the pictures of the H&K USP .45 and the H&K MK23 with better images. Thanks.

==Type 84 Target/Match==

So you finally got to take pictures of them. Nice! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the new .308 Valmet. Those appear in lots of movies, so I can use it on my ''[[Hard Target]]'' and ''[[The Negotiator]]'' pages.

==The HK94/MP5 conversion==

Thank you so much for this! I wanted it as much as GM did. Where did you find it? And you've actually confirmed already that it's one of the ''[[Air Force One]]'' MP5s? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

:Nah, of course that doesn't ruin it. If it's a movie gun, and it's the same type of conversion seen in those action movies from the 1980s and 90s, it's fine by me. It's the same ''type'', and that's more than enough for us. As far as Jedi Mind Powers, yeah, I guess I got something like that. Actually, I've just been glued to Facebook extending Christmas wishes to people most of today, and I check IMFDB pretty regularly. Also was working on ''[[24: Redemption]]'' earlier today.

:As far as your watermarking idea goes, I encourage it. However, there may be some way to actually disable right clicking on just your images so people can't save them to their HDs and re-post them later. Or, there may be a way of embedding copyrights into them. Not sure. But we'll figure out something. Asking Bunni about this would be the way to go, I think.

:Hope you've had a great Christmas. Over here on the East Coast, I've only got 1 hr. left before it ends, but you're in Cali, so I guess you still get a few hours left to enjoy today. And thanks for all the wonderful Christmas presents you've given IMFDB (again, I appreciate the HK94, the M78, and the long-barreled Type 84s). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

:The HK94 is great, I felt really bad chopping your pictures. Now I can get rid of them. And I read about your water marking idea. You should put one of your own personal insignias and maybe an imfdb logo. I hope you had a happy holiday. I got lots of movies to screencap including [[The Great Escape]]. I'm going to buy Romeo + Juliet and a few other gun movies with the money I got as well. I'm stilling working on Starsky and Hutch right now though. Great work with Stripes btw, I loved that movie. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Terminator 2 page==
What do you think of the T2 page? Did I over do it on the "fun facts"? As far as the guns go, did I get my info right? Colt Commandos are kind of hard to ID for me. Hope you have a happy new year. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==re: the images==

First, thanks again for the new images. It's nice to have a USP45 (especially since ''[[Collateral]]'' is one of the more popular pages on here, and Tom Cruise used one in that movie). The FNC is another nice one to have. Did you ever find out if the ''[[Heat]]'' FNCs were chopped-down Sporters with auto sears and M16A1 flash hiders installed, as you suspected?

As far as copyrights go...yes, it was inevitable. I know people have been talking about IMFDB and its images on quite a few gun forums, but I had no clue anybody would have the audacity to take your images and claim them as their own! How has your electronic tagging worked? Any particular software you used? The last time you and I discussed watermarking, I did a quick search for software that might be used. I found this: http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=10611 . But if you have a better one, that works, too. I do think you should start getting the images tagged ASAP, because I don't think people should be stealing your stuff. I still do worry somewhat about the "hypocrite" accusations, though, but as long as you keep getting new images up, especially for well-known guns (like ARs, H&Ks, AKs, Glocks, 1911s, etc.), those cries will have little validity.

Anyway, sorry to add to your growing list, but I have another request. I recently did a major re-vamp on the [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series]] page, which used to be called just the "L96A1" page. All of the gun images I have on there now are jacked from Remtek's Accuracy International site, which I hated doing, but had no other choice. If you get a chance to photograph ''any'' of the AW rifles in your company's inventory, I'd be most grateful. I'm especially interested in the basic AW and the AWP (because my ''[[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]'' page has the latter), but anything else you have in stock would be great. Thanks so much for all your hard work. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

:The USP-45 looks great. As MT said, it will work well on the Collateral page (especially because I'm going to be adding shots to it later) and the FNC is excellent. Bravo. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Check IMDB for gun-heavy movies (you won't find specific IMDB forum topics in a Google search). It's very common now to see somebody ask a question about a gun in a movie and some other forum user will point them to us. Last one I recall looking at was "Hitman" where somebody mentioned us. I have also seen people make topics about us on everywhere from the AR-15.com to the 1911 forum to the Firing Line.

::As far as reactions go, sorta mixed. Some people draw attention to our mistakes (and let's face it - we had a LOT, especially before you came in), others say we're neat. However, there don't seem to be a whole lot of folks so far who understand the fact that our images are exclusive to us - which is another reason why your watermarking is such a good idea. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 06:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Hey MPM2008, I just wanted to say thanks for all your recent pictures, I really like the USP 45, and the Mossberg 590 Mariner. Thanks to you, Imfdb now has genuine pictues of all three calibers the USP is available in. Keep up the excellent work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

==Screencaps==
I was trying not to do too many shots in Commando since I didn't want to muck up your page but I didn't know your limit was 4. I add so many shots usually because they illustrate different users and different scenes. I don't try to spoil the story but I try to run a path with my images. I was trying to respect your format more than how many screencaps (you'll see I kept the calibers after each description like you do and kept the size image under 600px. I'll admit that LMS had too many shots but don't hold that on me every time I go a little over on my screencapping. Hope you had a happy new year. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Re:Finally Got It!==
The AKMS pistol looks great. Nice work. I just finished ''[[The Mist]]'' and ''[[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]]''. Now I'm gonna work on ''[[Van Helsing]]''. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Re:Finally Got It! ==

That is one Sweet AK! Is that the actual gun used in the movie? Happy New Year By the way.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 07:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Re:Finally Got It! ==

It looks awesome! Where did you find? Is it one of Cinema Weaponry's guns, as I suspected? Also, that gun appeared again this past summer in ''[[Pineapple Express]]'', so I added it to that page. But nice job. And Happy New Year! Thanks for the wonderful gifts you have given us! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

==Rambo==
I noticed you are adding some new shots to Rambo. Do you think you could grab some shots of his knife and bow, since all the othe Rambo pages have them. If you can't, I'll do it eventually. If you can, note that he has two knives. His mini machete that Stallone actually made for the movie and the knife from Rambo II. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==The Auto 9==

You had access to the Auto 9? Wow, I had no idea they had any of them intact after all these years. Of course, ''[[Sin City]]'' features one, but theirs was actually a modified 92FS, not a 93R. How did you get your hands on this thing? Whatever...nice job, and thanks for the awesome pic. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Finally Answering your questions ==

I understand now, thanks for the reply. So you can basically make it look like any kind of M16 if you have the right parts, anyway I can't wait to see your C7. Also, are you uploading more Mossbergs? Because if you want, I can edit the Mossberg 500 with the Heatshield out of the Comparision picture and upload it if want me to:

[[Image:MossbergComparisonMain.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

But if you prefer to upload your own image, it's okay.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

About the Mossbergs, So you do want me to edit it out? Anyway, A simple Mossberg 500 with a High Capacity magazine tube to replace this image would be nice:

[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge]]

Also, if you can get an image of a Mossberg 500 with a pistol grip like the one in [[Training Day]] it would be apprecited. Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mossberg 500 ==

Hey MPM2008, I cropped and edited the comparison image, and uploaded the Mossberg 500 with the heatshield as a seperate image. I just want to want to know if it's okay before I add it to the page. I wrote that it belongs to you in the image description. What do you think?

[[Image:Mossberg500withHeatShield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Thanks, I tried to make it looked as much like one of yours as possible. I'll put on the page now. Feel free to edit or overwrite it whenever you like.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

==The PT92C==

Thanks for this! I just put it on the ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' page. I'm guessing it might even be the same one seen in ''[[Gates of Hell (1995)|Gates of Hell]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

==Re: 24 Redemption==

Yep, I understand. I was just giving a reason to everyone why I was. I realize you wouldn't make that mistake. I think the page used to have the USPc simply because it appears on the DVD cover, before I screencapped it and generally gave it a huge overhaul. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

==Thanks for the new FALs!==

They look great! We can always use more. Only question is...do you by chance have a picture of a 50.61 like the gun from ''Heat''? (or rather, something that looks like one)

The new Mossberg Bullpup also looks good. While I liked the one with the extended magazine tube, I like this new one better, simply because the standard models without the extended tube seem to be the ones which appear in movies most often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:Excellent, that 50.61 is perfect. Thanks again! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:24, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

==Trapdoor Springfield==
Thanks for uploading pics of the Trapdoor Springfield rifles, they complete a few of my pages better. I added your pictures to those pages as well.

I've been working on ''[[The Dirty Dozen]]'', have you seen it? I have the guns down but I've only seen the movie twice and don't know all 12 guy's names. If you have, can you help me out with that? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== RE: Above ==
I am sorry in advance for the language I am about to use but this douche Gunmaster45 completely erased the "Dirty Dozen" page I had ALREADY created. Not a single piece of the page I had created still exists. Admin or not where does this asshole get off destroying a page I worked on???

==Help with ''Transformers'' 1911 pistol ID?==

Hey, I was wondering if you could take a look at the M1911 being used by Captain William Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]) in my screenshots of ''[[Transformers]]'' and see if you could ID it? It appears to be a mostly standard M1911 pistol but has a Kimber-style hammer and slight beavertail to the grip safety. Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

: Just took another look at the M1911 page and it almost looks like the [[M1911 pistol series#Colt XSE|Colt XSE]], only the weapon in the film lacked the second set of cocking serrations at the front of the slide. What do you think? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

==Re:KIN93==

Not really. He has been warned before this, so being a bit frustrated is understandable. And yes, I agree that being released in theaters does not justify using bootlegs, and will certainly still be noticed by any studio police on the prowl. After all, if a movie hasn't been released on DVD yet, there's no way to get screenshots other than bootlegging. And that's why it's unacceptable. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== About the images on the Predator 2 page ==

Could i replace them?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:28, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

==Screencaps==
I've been trying to cut back on the amount but I have my specific way I make my pages. I don't just tell what guns are used. I tell you what guns are used, who uses them, goofs, and fun facts. It makes the page a little larger but I like to think of it as being thorough, more like an article then just a "page". Since we have pages for actors, guns, and films/TV, it is good to show you the info. Sometimes I just can't pass up good shots. If you notice on my Last Man Standing page, the shot is either good, or is telling information. I understand that some of my pages are cluttered, but I've been doing my best to keep them organized. My limit now is usually ten or less images, but I sometimes have to makd exceptions. You are free to remove screencaps I add if you find them to be to many on one of ''your'' pages. You are free to do whatever you want to your own pages, if I add something you find it not needed, you have the right to remove it. I took some of the Mini 14 shots off your ''[[Commando]]'' page for that reason. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I was looking at the [[Rambo (2008)]] page and saw some of the changes you made. As always, I was a little sad to see those images you removed go but it is your page and your right. While I understand the removal of the shot of the soldier sent airborne by the .50 caliber (I just thought it was worth noting how dumb "movie logic" can get, but it doesn't have a gun in it, so it is not needed), but why did you remove the shot of Diaz with his FN FAL Carbine? I thought it was a pretty clear shot.

I just added some shots to [[Flashpoint]] and soon I'm going to do [[Get Smart]] and a revamp on the Matrix series (the three films and that awful Animatrix) since I bought the four pack DVD - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for your comments about my pictures from [[The Sting]]; it's always been one of my favorite movies (despite its use of suppressed revolvers!) Feel free to make the screencaps any size you feel appropriate, I appreciate your comments and interest! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

== A little help ==

I just started my [[Police Story 3: Supercop]] page, but I need some help IDing some of the guns. Can you give me a hand? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Question About Bond Actor Category ==

I was wondering, in the "James Bond Actor" category page, should we limit it to actors who've played James Bond himself, or should we allow 'supporting' actors such as Bond girls (ie, [[Halle Berry]] & [[Honor Blackman]]) and villians (such as [[Robert Carlyle]] & [[Gert Fröbe]])? I'm proposing this to several admins and would like to get some feedback on this before making a decision. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== Screencap limit? ==

Hey, I was just looking at some of my own pages and seeing that I tend to really really overdo it with screencaps (which makes some pages take way too long to load). I was just wondering if you know what a good suggested amount might be for the same gun? Thanks - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:That sounds like a very good amount for each. I'll try and go through some of my pages (especially ''[[Dillinger (1973)]]'' and ''[[Bonnie and Clyde]]'') and reduce some of the redundancy. I'll keep it in mind from now on. Thanks for getting back to me so soon! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Hi!==

Sorry I haven't been on IMFDB in a few days. To answer your question: It's not so much that life is kicking me in the ass, it's mostly that I'm in Washington, DC right now without my laptop. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, I came here for his inauguration, mostly because my Mom is a big fan, and because my boss got us the tickets, and well...you know, I do try to do nice things for Mom, even if I don't like the guy she helped elect President. Plus, I got several days off from work, which is always nice.

I should be back tomorrow, and I'll catch up on everything I've missed for the past few days. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

==Request==

I really like how you edit those jacked pics and make them look so much better. So, I figured I'd ask...if you get time, do you want to edit this pic of a Gen 1 Glock 19 that we've been using on several pages?

[[Image:Wviewpoint 0430.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 9mm]]

If you get around to it, cool, but I realize it might be a while. It could use some removal of white space and shadows, and any other touch-ups you can do. Thanks! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

:Ah, alright, well, that's fine then. Just figured I'd ask because I thought I remembered you telling Orca that you didn't have a Gen 1 Glock 19 in stock at the time, and I wasn't sure if that had changed recently. And yes, DC was a whole lotta fun...until I had to go to the party where all the people from my firm were celebrating the inauguration. Try being the only Libertarian in a room full of mindless liberal douchebags and it's quite awkward. I loved how they were all clapping and cheering even when Obama was saying things that weren't really all that profound or moving. I don't think it matters how good or bad Obama turns out to be as President...this Stalin-esque cult of personality around the man is something I will never get used to. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

::It looks WAY better. Only thing is, next time, please just upload a new version over the old one. Thanks for doing this. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

::By the way, is there really a difference between the T3 AKMS pistol and the ones from Rambo and Pineapple Express? I keep comparing photos and I still can't see the difference in barrel length. The only thing I see is that the Rambo one may or may not have a smooth receiver cover (like the standard Type 56) instead of the AKM-style ribbed. And the True Lies gun is a different one entirely. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

==Rambo (2008==

Just to give you a heads up I changed the info on Rambo M2 Brownings. I talked to Kevin @ ISS about them and he told me they were M2. He was with the show in Thailand working on the 50's. As for the designation AN/M2 was used by the military to discribe the Browning Aircraft gun both 50cal and 30cal unitl 1944 it was changed in September 44 to M2 Aircraft. Thanks. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

== Thanks ==

Thanks for the new 870, It looks amazing. Even the color of the stock and pump match the gun in the movie, excellent work. So are you working on the ghost ring version right now or still looking for the accessories? Either way, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait. Thanks again, and keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

==M1-C Garand==
Beautiful M1-C, thanks for uploading it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Browning M2==
That is definately useable! It's great! I was going to ask that you replace the M2 pic but figured you had enough to do already. You might want to take a picture of it on a pintle mount though because that is the most commonly seen .50 in films. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I like your picture! If you can do the pintle mount, great, but right now, I'm just happy we have a picture of an M2 at all that we can call our own. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:11, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Browning M2 ==

Thanks for the M1 Garand info, that picture helped me alot, I now understand how the scope and gun work. As for the M2, That is definitely a usable picture, it's excellent! .50 cals are huge, and I would say that type of format is perfect for them. If you want my photo wishlist again, it is these besides the ghost ring 870:

Beretta 92FS Inox

Two Tone Beretta 92FS (If you're able to combine the parts)

Heckler & Koch Mark 23 ("SOCOM")

And if it's possible, can you obtain a U.S Military issue Beretta M9, I know it's very much the same as a Beretta 92FS, but I heard there were some slight differences, and it would go great with the M9A1 you uploaded before. But if you can't get ahold of it, it's okay. The 870 and the Beretta 92FS Inox are the main things I want. Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind the M9 actually, MT2008 is right. We don't need it.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Help on Alex Reid==

Looks like my Jedi Mind Powers are at work again. Creepy, eh?

Alex Reid uses several types of weapons in ''[[Ultimate Force]]''. She uses a SIG-Sauer P226 in at least a couple of episodes. In the episode where the SAS goes against the IRA, she uses an MP5KA1 to shoot at the terrorists during the ambush, and later briefly has a Glock 17 (the same one you see being pointed at her) before the bad guy takes it away. In the season 1 finale, she is given a PPK, but never gets to fire it herself. In another episode where the SAS goes after a Christian cult, she has an MP5SD3. In the season 2 finale where Red Troop goes to South Ossetia, she uses an FN Minimi. Here are some pics from the ''[[Ultimate Force]]'' page:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-77839.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Caroline Walsh ([[Alex Reid]]) unloads a SIG P226 at French special forces in Episode 2.1, "Communication".]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-136363.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Captain Caroline Walsh ([[Alex Reid]]) firing an FN Minimi in Episode 2.6, "Dead Is Forever".]]

Only problem is, these don't really show her face that clearly, so you can't tell who she is. I'll see about getting others... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I got one. Give me a sec to cap it. Season 1, and the episode was "Just a Target" [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, just remembering, in season 1, forgot which episode, she is seen with a full length double barrel shotgun, but never fires it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's the pic of her with her SIG

[[Image:UFCWalsh.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Wikipedia pirate? ==

Hi, I requested several images from you a while back, but there appears to be an editor on Wikipedia going by the name Josh Woolstenhulme who appears to be uploading some of your gun photos and claiming to be the author. Here are his uploads: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Josh_Woolstenhulme

If this isn't you, just a heads up.

[[Special:Contributions/99.232.226.200|99.232.226.200]] 21:31, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks. He IS stealing images. A quick pass and I noticed these.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/M1_Garand.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/M1903Mark1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/AKMRifle.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/SMLE.jpg

so how do I complain and get these down?

:I'm not a Wikipedia member at present (I usually post anonymously), but it seems this user is already setting himself up to get your images removed. Note on the AKM image, it now says this:

:''This image or media does not have information on its copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the image will be deleted after Friday, 6 February 2009. Please remove this template if a copyright license tag has been added.''

:But you should keep working with Koalorka to make sure your stuff isn't being taken, because I'm afraid I dunno what to do besides leave requests on a moderator's talk page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

::Yes, that was me that put up the warning tags. All violating images have now been removed and the pirate warned. Thanks again for the Ameli, you can find the article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETME_Ameli here]. [[Special:Contributions/99.232.226.200|99.232.226.200]] 16:46, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

==My requests==
I don't have much but here's a few I thought of:

* [[MG42]]

* [[MG34]]

* [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with/without 33 round mag

* I mentioned before how I'd really like a [[Winchester 1866 "Yellow Boy"|Winchester 1866]] with the forearm and without it fro when they mimick Henry rifles in movies.

* Any western guns are great, I'm one of the few who can apprieciate them (since about 90% of the western pages are mine)

* We still need a [[Mossberg 500]] with wood furniture for pages like ''[[Heat]]''

* Some more [[Desert Eagle]]s. The images are all .50AEs, we need some .44s and .357 DEs. We also need a black model.

* [[RPG-7]] (still using that ugly picture taken off google)

* [[M60]] series machine guns

That's all I got for now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Was the extra holding that M60 an extra or someone well known? By the way, I could never do your job. The idea of so many idiots handling and breaking my guns would drive me to insanity. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Good Luck ==

I would like to wish you good luck on your most recent business trip, and I hope you have a good time or try to, and thanks for notifying us about it. Also, sorry to put more requests on your list, but can you look around for these as well?:

* Browning Automatic Rifle or B.A.R

* Mossberg 500 with High Capacity Magazine tube

* Mossberg 590 with Ghost ring sights (I think this is what the Remington 870 on the [[Hostage]] page really is, and I seen them in movies such as The Last Castle)

* M1 and M1A1 Thompson

Thanks, and I wish you the best of luck on your trip.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

:Have fun! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

==Revolvers==
I have a question. I know auto pistols need to be milled and threaded to fire blanks but do revolvers need to be modified to fire reliably? I once had some acorn crimped .45 LC blanks which I put through a SAA. The primers backed out from a lack of recoil and the gun locked up. I tried putting it though a Colt M1917 and it hardly fired unless I angled it right. I've seen in movies how some of the firing pins are removed from the hammers (like the S&W 36 from ''[[Running Scared]]''). If they do need to be modified, could you tell me how exactly? Thanks.

P.S. If we have any more things to add to your list, can we just add them directly or should w ask you first in discussion? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I also forgot to ask, what movie was the M60 used on? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Push==
Have you seen the trailers for the new movie ''[[Push]]'' coming out soon? I'd screencap the hi-def trailer but my computer is too slow to do it right. If you're free, could you give it a look? I'd rather you made a page with HD trailer shots than some anonymous user making an empty page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE: Got a gift for you! ;) More coming==
You are awesome! These guns are great! I'll be sure to add them to the page. I'm going to have to go back and snap a shot of Ace with an SAA (they didn't show him too clear but I think I can find one). I can't wait to see what else is coming. Thanks! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I'm glad to see you've gotten more famous guns, they look great. It's quite impressive how many guns you're uploading that are well known as used guns by the actors. Did you meet with some important people lately? Keep up the good work, the pics look great. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::All I can say is...Oh, my, God. You have outdone yourself this time. This is one of the best updates you've given us yet. I don't even know how to begin thanking you. I can't even express how giddy with excitement I am that we have these pictures. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Yep, I saw those too! Really awesome. More than awesome, actually. And the new Desert Eagles and the Mark 23 are also VERY highly appreciated, too. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Desert Eagle==
The Desert Eagles are great! We really needed a black model and you gave us all three! Thanks much. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==H&K Mk 23 SOCOM==
Outstanding work with the SOCOM pistols! How did you come across a REAL knight's arament suppressor? You've really outdone yourself this time! Keep up the good work. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Photos==
Nice photos you got the other day from our friend. I did not mean to rub you the wrong way last week. We could work better together and put this behind us. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

== Babylon .A.D/ SPAS 15 ==

I don't think the gun under the M4 is a SPAS 15. The gun pictured has a full lengh forend and the reciver doesn't match. I have seached every where and can't figure out what the gun pictured is. But thanks for help. Gunner313

== Welcome back ==

Welcome back from your trip, hope you enjoyed it, and thanks for the new goodies. I put your newest Smith & Wesson handgun pictures on most of the pages except the ones that had no screencaps or if I couldn't tell which kind of model it was, and I also put the movies guns you got on the S.W.A.T., Untouchables, and Pulp Fiction pages. Best regards.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Thanks ==

Sorry about taking the honors away from you, those are amazing pictures though especially those guns from The Quick and The Dead. If you would like help replacing the pictures, let me know.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 06:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the new pictures, how many armorers did you meet with? Also the Berettas from Die Hard and Lethal Weapon are nice, so they took it out of the case for you? It looks well worn.
Also, about formatting, I noticed one or two users put at the bottom of sections a few times to space out their pages, I previewed it on pages a few times, it seems to work, but you have do it a few times in a row. Not sure how effective it is, but I figured it's worth noting.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 08:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

==Two requests==

Star Ultrastar, And a S&W 5906 w/ Adjustable sights
Nice job on the Beretta 92 section, by the way
~ Revolver

==Weapon Photos==
Nice photos you just posted. I hope you do well getting your next gig. This SAG BS will put a damper on things. I will have some non-industry related work coming into my shop so it should not hurt that bad. If you need anything PM me on the forum and I will see what I can do. Thanks - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

== Re: Update ==

You have really outdone yourself this time, all these new images are amazing. It's cool that you had help from the armorer of True Romance, and that you got to photograph the Beretta from the Die Hard and Lethal weapon films, it makes me wonder why so many why so many actors and directors are so anti gun, especially when they worked around guns so much. Anyway, no one should mind if you replace their pictures, yours are superior to anything else on the site, and I have seen the XXX guns, and those are cool, thanks for finding out what the mystery M1911 on XXX 2 was. It's also cool that IMFDB now has it's own pictures of these unique guns. It was nice of those guys to help you, that was by far the most guns I have ever seen you upload. One thing is for certain, if people don't come here to see what guns were used in which movie, it'll most likely be to see your pictures.

No problem about the formatting, a user named [[User: Vinniebar|Vinniebar]] used it when this site first started, hopefully it'll be the answer to our formatting problems. Anyway you did good with those Berettas, they came out great with what you had there, do the they still work good? Anyway I have to get to bed now. You can keep uploading gun pictures if you want, but you can take a break if you want, you derserve one. Thanks again.

P.S, sorry if it took me long to respond, I'm not the fastest typer.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 09:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

==The new stuff==

Your updates just keep getting more and more incredible. Having actual movie guns was cool enough, but having ''specific'' guns from movies handled by stars is just beyond cool. The new Berettas and the Tokarevs are especially appreciated. I just don't even know how to thank you anymore, and words just ain't gonna cut it.

BUT...I must ask you a really quick question. You say that this Beretta was used in ''[[Die Hard]]'':

[[Image:BerettaM92FS DH1&LW1.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92F 9mm used by Bruce Willis in the film with extended mag release and slide release.]]

Only thing is, this gun clearly doesn't have the extended mag release and slide release, which is visible in this screencap from our movie page:

[[Image:DH_McClane2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|McClane with his [[Beretta M92F|Beretta 92F]] drawn while taking cover from incoming fire from both Hans and Karl.]]

My question is, isn't THIS the gun that Bruce Willis used in the first ''[[Die Hard]]'':

[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9mm. This is the actual screen used Beretta carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in the film.]]

...because this one actually DOES have an extended slide release and mag release. Also, LMO has a picture of this gun on their page for ''[[Die Hard]]'' (which isn't as good as yours) and it looks identical to this.

Furthermore, I doubt this gun (the one right above) was in ''[[Die Hard 2]]'' or ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'' because I don't think either of the Berettas in that movie had the extended slide release. On the ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'', I posted a picture of one of the Berettas which I took from LMO's site.

Anyway, point is, are you sure you didn't reverse the images? Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

:Also, I could have sworn the Beretta Gibson used in the first ''Lethal Weapon'' had a gold Beretta logo on the grips. Did they replace it with the blacked-out one later on? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

::Oh, crap...you know, I barely even grasped the scale of what you uploaded because you did so many. The Auto Ord 1911 from "Pulp Fiction", the S&W 629 and the 1911 from "XXX 2", the P7 from "True Romance"...excuse me while I go pee myself with excitement. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

::And not only do we have a Jericho 941 that's stainless, but it's the '''same''' gun used in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''? (faints) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

==The Berettas==

First of all, Cinema Weaponry has a display case for some of their famous movie guns? That's really awesome...do you other pictures of it? What else is in it?

Anyway, like I said, I'm pretty sure you just reversed the two Beretta images. THIS one is from ''[[Die Hard]]'':

[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9mm. This is the actual screen used Beretta carried and fired by [[Bruce Willis]] in the film.]]

Again, if you look at the picture of Willis with the 92F from "Die Hard", it looks identical. Also, wasn't there more than one of them? I've always understood that you guys are in the habit of having at least one or two back-up weapons for each "hero gun" use? Did Mike Papac configure multiple Berettas in the same way as the one used by Bruce Willis in the first "Die Hard"? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

:OK, I'm looking at your picture of the display case. If you want my opinion, it looks like the 92F in the center of the picture (next to the "Enemy of the State" 1911) actually was used in "Die Hard 2" and "Demolition Man". You can see that it hasn't been modified for Bruce Willis (no left-hand mag release, probably because Sylvester Stallone used it later, and he's no lefty). However, the next Beretta over is definitely the one from the first "Die Hard" - it '''does''' have the left-handed, extended mag release. However, you probably just can't see the label for the gun because it's out of the picture.

:Do you think that might explain things? We should ask Steve about this, as I'm sure he knows well. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

::But I forget...didn't Syd Stembridge basically take all of his remaining assets to Cinema Weaponry? I've been under the impression that Stembridge and CW essentially merged with each other after Stembridge closed down in '99. So aren't the guns that Syd kept now in Mike's hands?

::And yes, I imagine Mike must have a lot of cool stuff to photograph. One other thing you should ask about...remember the H&K G11 from ''[[Demolition Man]]''? If you can at least get the story on where that gun came from, that would be awesome. I've always wondered...did they build it themselves?

::''ALOT of them in films are still those HK94 conversions, but now we can't tell visually if they are or not.''

::True, but that just means they're identical to almost every single other transferable MP5 within the chain of commerce, which were also converted from HK94s. I forgot...was it La France that did most of the conversions of HK94s for Stembridge, Ellis, etc.? Anyway, it's good that you got the picture of the one that you have. Those things may be obvious conversions, but they're still an important part of movie gun history! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

:::I figured Syd was still in business even though he doesn't seem to get many armorer credits these days - if you watch ''[[A Man Apart]]'', for instance, it says, "Weapons provided by Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry" in the credits. But I've been confused about what weapons he retained, what LMO sold, what CW received or what came under their umbrella, etc. Thanks for clearing that up.

:::So as far as the G11 goes, are you saying that the one in ''[[Demolition Man]]'' was actually a real G11 and not something that was built specially for the film? I figured it was built around something else, sort of like the way that "XXX 2" features G36Ks mocked up to look like XM8s (and I think Steve may have had a hand in that film as well). As far as getting a picture, don't worry, I won't pressure you. I realize how hard it must be. I was just curious to know if the gun in the movie was the real deal or not, because I couldn't imagine HK would ever trust some moronic actor with one of their rare prototype weapons (no offense to Wesley Snipes). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

==Confusion + Overseas visit==

I think I'm about to make you a whole lot more confused...

''Mike recalls that he didn't install the extended mag release button and slide release until the second movie''

If that's what Mike recalls, then it doesn't seem to match the evidence. Here is a screencap from the '''first''' ''[[Die Hard]]'' showing the Beretta:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-62528.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

So again, this is the ''first'' movie that this image came from. If you look closely, you can see that McClane's (Willis') Beretta '''does''' have the extended slide release. Again, compare to the picture you took:

[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|]]

So Mike's memory must be failing him on this, with all due respect. It looks like he ''did'' put on the extended slide release (and mag release) for the first movie. I don't know about the Lethal Weapon movies (I don't have those on DVD), but the 92F from Die Hard 1 is a gun that has an extended slide release.

Also, did Mike do any work on ''[[Die Hard With a Vengeance]]''? I've always been under the impression that because that movie was filmed in New York, Weapons Specialists, Inc. provided the guns for that film. Rick Washburn is credited on IMDB as the armorer on ''[[Die Hard With a Vengeance]]'' (though it looks like Dave Fencl also did some work on the film). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

==re:==

''I MAY have an opportunity to go overseas (France) and I will try to photograph some of Christophe Maratier's guns (Leon/Ronin/LaFemme Nikita/District B13/Taken/etc) I would like to also go picture taking in Britain at Bapty's or Sascha Robey's collection, but who knows? I don't have a connection/introduction yet with those guys. And with all the retarded gun restrictions going on over there...... ''

That is pretty wild! Unfortunately, Bapty auctioned off a whole bunch of the James Bond movie guns (including several of the original Walthers, plus the OICW replica from ''[[Die Another Day]]''), back in 2006, before the recent ban on "realistic imitation replicas" took place (they were all deactivated prior to the auction). Still, it would be really cool to see some of the stuff they still have. You would probably be able to get them to let you in, though. Dan Shea went to Bapty's back in 2003 (I think) and they let him photograph a lot of their guns (which appear on LMO's site), so if you told them who you were, you could probably get in. Have fun! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

::''Yeah, but WHO is the better photographer? ;)''

::Well, obviously...hehe. :-) The coolest thing is how you got a lot of the same guns as his site, but yours are 100x the quality. Speaking of which, have you ever considered professional gun photography for a living? Or do you already do it? Your pictures are the kind of thing that gun rags and books would kill for.

::''I was thinking of doing an actual table top book with the pics (including a bunch of other angles that I did not upload)''

::What about a book showing off specific "hero guns" from movies? Have any of you (the armorers) talked about that in the past? Of course, I guess the great thing about IMFDB is that you guys are free to use it for precisely this purpose, except that anyone can access it for free.

::''Either that or I'll say "MT2008 says you're full of SHIT!" heheheh. Those were done 23 years ago and we're all doing this from recollection.''

::Ugh, I dunno if I could stomach the idea of correcting Mike on his own work, being as I'm not an armorer. But I do realize that it's unreasonable to expect him to know all this stuff from memory. I have trouble remembering details about specific guns I shot as recently as 5 years ago. 23 years is a ''long'' time to keep details in your head, for any human being.

::As far as the (nearly) blank pages go...screw 'em. I've deleted several already. Also, one user made a page for ''[[The War Briefing]]''. I'm not sure it fits with the scope of the site. What do you think? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

==re:Asshat==

It's just some dude who's upset because I gave him a temporary suspension for fucking up the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page with inaccurate info when he didn't even have the courtesy to ''ask'' before editing. Maybe I over-reacted a ''little'', being that I did most of the screencapping and other work on that page, but the sheer audacity of his rudeness just pissed me off so much that I figured he deserved a time-out.

Don't worry, I wasn't fooled for even a second when I saw the "Warning" on my talk page (you can see my responses to him [[User talk:68.233.138|here]]). And yes, I ''could'' actually report '''him''' for impersonating an FBI agent and they might complain. But, this loser is too pathetic to even bother. Besides, I have the flu right now, so I don't feel like it anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

==Arachnid==

OK, it's really interesting you made a page for this movie...I watched it on Sci-Fi not too long ago, but couldn't remember the title! And even though I'm an ''[[Ultimate Force]]'' fan, I completely failed to recognize [[Alex Reid]] in the movie. Weird...

As far as the guns in the movie, I may be wrong, but I remember the AR-15 carbine (the long-barreled one) being a Colt Sporter-1. Or at least, I think the upper was from a Sporter-1, because that looks to me like a 16" barrel. I can't remember - was the gun ever fired on auto? I remember the Model 733 was, but I remember the other AR only being fired on semi. In which case, I suspect it's most likely a factory civilian Sporter-1.

Also, I think Chris Potter's MAC (the one which magically becomes an Uzi) is an RPB clone or something else that's smaller. Unless Chris Potter is a huge guy with huge hands (and he doesn't seem that way in any of the other stuff I've seen him in where he handles guns), the receiver on the MAC looks a bit too small for it to be an original MAC-10. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

:No worries! I would have been really upset myself. My first week here, I remember editing a page while another user made a minor edit simultaneously, and I was really pissed off too because I lost all my edits which I hadn't backed up, which was nearly an hour of work down the drain. Nowadays, I'm in the habit of copying anything I write into a Word file before submitting in case that happens.

:Anyway, back to the movie...I'm not sure if Chris Potter has such huge hands or not. Not too long ago, I was watching episodes of ''[[Kung Fu: The Legend Continues]]'' on YouTube, which he starred in. His sidearm in that show was a Beretta 92FS Inox (which had a habit of turning into a Taurus PT92 in some scenes), and it didn't seem any bigger in his hands than mine, and I don't have big hands (just long fingers). I haven't compared a MAC-10 to an Uzi in size, so I dunno what the difference is.

:Oh, yeah, and I love how he fires his MAC/Uzi sideways, "gangsta style". He used to do that with his Beretta in "Kung Fu" as well! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

==Browning A5==
Do you by any chance have any [[Browning A5]] shotguns in your armory, as well as a Remington Model 11 copy, since I've noticed a few pages featuring them (like [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]'s [[Thunderball]] page).

And you never got back to me on my qeustion about blank converting revolvers. It's a little further up your discussion page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==The Rundown==
I've had [[The Rundown]] screencapped for some time now (hadn't had time to upload) but would you mind if I replaced some of your shots with mine (they are larger resolution), but if you don't want me to, I could always delete my caps, but it took me a while to save them. I've had it on my list for some time now, it would really make me happy if I could upload mine. Get back to me on this. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I realized this, so I only replaced one shot of the Remington 870 because it shows just a little bit more. You're shots are still on the page. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks, I felt (I guess the word is self-conceous) since I knew I was uploading more screencaps than you would have, but as you see, I add comments on the crazy movie logic and other fun facts to fill out stuff (I always have a plan when I save screencaps, so I know when I plan to label these facts early, hence I sometimes have a heavy screencap load). I try to always catch EVERY gun in a movie, so I never use scene skip and rarely fast forward. When I do fast forward, I have a strange sixth sense that allows me to see guns that are only seen briefly on even normal speed. Anyway, I'll be uploading a movie called [[Legends of the Fall]] tommorow, I'm working on it now. I think it is a perfect gun movie because it covers the early 1900s, so we see old west guns, WWI guns, and prohibition gangster guns. It's great. Incredible film too, I recommend it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Revolvers again==
Copied from above:

I have a question. I know auto pistols need to be milled and threaded to fire blanks but do revolvers need to be modified to fire reliably? I once had some acorn crimped .45 LC blanks which I put through a SAA. The primers backed out from a lack of recoil and the gun locked up. I tried putting it though a Colt M1917 and it hardly fired unless I angled it right. I've seen in movies how some of the firing pins are removed from the hammers (like the S&W 36 from [[Running Scared]]). If they do need to be modified, could you tell me how exactly? Thanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Thanks for clearing up the SKS, that was the only model I was aware of (not an SKS pro, only know what I've seen or held at shows) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I guess I just had crappy blanks. I can't remember the brand but they were written in french or italian or something. They were acorn blanks, not those longer movie blanks. Plenty loud though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Shoot 'Em Up==
I usually use my desktop computer for screencapping and it keeps the master images at a relatively simple size so I don't need to resize them. But I screencapped [[Shoot 'Em Up]] on my sister's HP Pavilian DV-6000 laptop because my screencapper on the desktop didn't except SEU's format. Her computer is HIGH-DEF and the images were gigantic, even after I resized them. I thought they were small enough after resizing but they were still pretty big. They certainly look nice though. You can tell based on the number of screencaps that I wasn't up to re-resizing all the images because they were a tad over sized. Next time I use her laptop to screencap (get ready for a much better documentation of the Matrix films), I'll be sure to resize them correctly. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Smith and Wesson 1006 ==

Hey, MPM, could you get me a pic of a Smith and Wesson 1006? That'd be awesome, thanks.
from ProtoAuthor.

Also, from me again, how about making an UziMac10, like in Dogs of War?
::Those guns don't exist any more. Once regular Uzis became more prevalent (including the influx of semi automatic Uzi Model A and Model B carbines that were then converted into full auto guns in the 1980s) the MAC 10s were converted back to MAC-10s. And good riddance in my book. ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Dang. Well, how about the 1006?

== M1911 Question ==

I was wondering, would it be possible to take the hammer and grip safety from a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt XSE|Colt XSE]] and put them on a standard M1911A1? I was thinking this might be what was done to create [[Josh Duhamel]]'s 1911 in ''[[Transformers]]''. Any input you have on this would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

== More Requests ==

I have a couple more requests

* The Custom Mossberg 590 from ''[[Rambo (2008)]]'' and ''[[Transformers]]''

* Beretta 92FS fitted with Silencier

* M40 and M40A3 Sniper Rifles

* Barrett M82A1

Thanks

From 76..219.156.200

== Badlands image sizes ==

Hey, a user converted all the 500px images I used on ''[[Badlands]]'' to 300px, but I was wondering if that was too small? I would change it back to my original 500px (or at least 400px) but I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way by undoing what was done (if they had good reason). Also, good call on the 03A3 rifle used, I had completely misidentified it! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it. I didn't want to cause any trouble but since you'd seen the page for sure I figured you'd know best how to handle it. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer==

Hi MPM. The Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer is a completely different weapon compared to the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. The Colt 1903 Pocket Hammer is a shorter version of the Colt 1902 Military and is chambered in 38 ACP. You don't see them that much any more since the 1911 came out. We did send one out on Public Enemies but do not know if Harry used it. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
: No problem but someone at Colt was not think when they named their models. I can see the salesman trying to explain it and the customer rolling their eyes and saying what are you talking about. They had some neat weapons in those early movies. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Ever used one of these?==
While I was screencapping [[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]] (I'll be uploading it very soon), I saw in the special features that they use this special gun that fires balls of dust or spark so you don't have to set up squibs anywhere to imitate bullet impact. It looked pretty cool and I was wondering if you were familiar with these. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Some shots:
[[Image:SquibGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SquibGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:SquibGun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:''Mythbusters had something remotely similar on an episode a while back. I say remotely, because while they created the same mini-bombs (for lack of a better term), they hand-launched them at their door instead of shooting them.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

==Watermarked Image==
Since people have been using your images without permission, I made one of your pics with a water mark. What do you think? If you like, I'll be more than happy to add it to all your images so no one steals them.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70watermarked.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt MK IV Series 70 with IMFDB watermark.]]
All I did was Hardlight the logo to remove the back color and faded it so it was just the logo alone. It's really easy. Get back to me. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:For now do you mind if I just warn of spoilers at the top of the page? Later I'll decide what I can get rid of (if I do). If that guy on the Rambo page is a jerk, by all means remove his images, I personally don't know him so I couldn't have known that.

Don't forget to tell me what you think of the watermark. If it is too big, I can make it smaller. Whatever you want. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Re: Saturday Shoot --- more pics coming --- just a heads up ==

Thanks for the heads up, and good luck with the shoot. It sounds cool that you're going to photograph more great guns, I can't wait to see the McMillan TAC-50 and M249 , and anything else you have, you never dissapoint. If you get more western guns, that will be great, those guns look amazing and GM45 will be thrilled. It's cool that Imfdb will have pictures that no one else has or will have. Anyway, good luck with your shoot, don't work too hard. Also, can you try to get more cool Beretta handguns like the ones you uploaded last time? sorry if I'm bugging you with Berettas alot, I'm just really anxious to see you upload a Beretta 92FS Inox, it's one of the pictures I want most, that's all. Once again, good luck. Also did you tell any other armorers about Imfdb?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I have a '''burning''' request and I'm hoping you get this message before you go to CW again.

:You know those weird AKMSU clones (in 7.62x39mm) that have AKS-74U-style folding stocks? They've appeared in a zillion movies, and I know they must be the same guns being reused a lot. I think they're just full-size AK variants (Type 56s or Maadis, maybe) that have been converted with Krinkov parts kits. I have no idea whose inventory they're in, but I've seen them in a lot of movies that Mike Papac and other CW armorers worked on, which leads me to guess that CW must have at least a couple of them in inventory (unless they sub-rented from a different armory).

:Here is what I'm talking about:

[[Image:XxXAKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''[[XXX]]'']]

[[Image:BB2AKS-74U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''[[Bad Boys II]]'']]

[[Image:A_MAN_APART-19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''[[A Man Apart]]'']]

[[Image:TtAKMSU-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''[[Tropic Thunder]]'']]

They've also appeared in movies like ''[[Three Kings]]'', ''[[Crank]]'', ''[[The Kingdom]]'', etc. If you were to take a picture of one of these guns, I think it would probably become our standard AKMSU photo, because probably 90% of the AKMSU-type guns I've seen in movies seem to be these same guns. If you can get one on short notice, great. If not, no worries. But have fun! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

==Titles starting with "the"==
Personally I've always hated the format of putting "The" at the end, despite it being considered "prop format" and personally I like the titles the way they are. If it is absolutely necessary to make this change, go ahead, but I don't like it. I think titles look fine the way the are "MoviePropMaster2008, User:".

And for the people who make fun of us in chatrooms, FUCK EM! People make diggs at us all the time, but the ten or so admins. on the site work hard and productive and are constantly combating 1000s of anonymous users daily, which is more than most can say. We do what we do right and anyone who mocks our work is a dumbass. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Getting tired of pictures? Every time you upload more guns, I feel like I'm getting presents, because I love seeing awesome new pictures of guns, especially movie guns. I almost peed myself with excitement when you uploaded all those screen-used weapons (like the P220 from "Live Free or Die Hard") on your last update.

:The titles thing may be able to be fixed as well, without actually doing any redirects. There may be a way to sort titles so that the word "The" is ignored. I know that on my iPod, bands that have the word "The" before them are grouped by the next word in their names on my "Artists" list. It can't be that hard to find a command which sorts them differently. I'll see if I can find it.

:And I share GM's sentiments on the people's who talk shit about us. They're just lames. Who cares what they think? If they were better than us, they'd actually make their own sites that are as thorough and informative as ours. Besides, I think IMFDB has already been influential in a lot of ways. I already see people on other gun boards distinguish now between a basic "AK-47" and a Norinco Type 56 look-a-like, which seems to be a trend we helped start, now that we've told people what to look for. For every negative comment I read about IMFDB, I see 10x as many people who love our site. Besides, how else do you explain the ridiculous number of views we've had in the last year? (nearly 3x as many in 2008 as 2007, the first year of operations) The numbers don't lie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

::Nah, dude, I don't disagree with you that it's annoying, what I'm saying is that there may be a way to fix it besides doing re-directs (which is going to take ages if you want to do it). You may be able to fix the page code so that the listing ignores the word "The" if it comes at the beginning of a title. That way, a movie like "The Dark Knight" would be grouped under "D" even if it was listed as "The Dark Knight" instead of "Dark Knight, The". -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

==re: AK issues==

No, I don't hate you...actually, I've had the same thought myself for a while. The AK-47 page is getting too long and now includes variants it wasn't really meant to include. However, my idea for the solution is a bit different - that is, I'm not so sure we need to give the guns their own pages based on country of origin.

Broadly speaking, I think the AK-47 page should be limited to AK variants that are 7.62x39mm. You and I both know that the 7.62x39mm AKs which appear in movies and TV shows are the same types that used to be imported to the U.S. in the 1980s as civilian sporters. What that means is that the list is actually pretty limited - you've got the Egyptian Maadis, the Chinese Type 56s, the Hungarian SA-85Ms, and the Yugo M70s, and that's pretty much it. Of course, we've also seen the Romanian AIMS in a couple of movies (like "44 Minutes"), so maybe that one, too. So we can still classify the 7.62x39mm AKs by country, but on the SAME page instead of separate pages. You've told me yourself that armorers mostly stick to the old 1980s-vintage AKs and don't ever buy any of the newer guns (like the crappy Romaks and the Century Arms POSs), so doesn't that make our job pretty simple? We don't necessarily have to look for the more obscure derivatives that will only (at best) show up in movies filmed in countries where those guns were manufactured.

Besides grouping the 7.62x39mm AKs by their country of origin, I propose we also do the following:

*-'''Put the Norinco Type 84 on the [[AK-74]] page instead''': The logic being, the Type 84 often stands in for the AK-74 in American and Canadian movies/TV shows ("Stargate: SG1" being a good example), so why not put it on a page with the gun it's meant to imitate?
*-'''Move ALL AK-100 variants to their own page''' Even though they're basically modest updates of the classic AK-47 design, they're still different enough by name that I think they need their own page.
*-'''Keep any AK derivatives that are significantly different on their pages''' What this means is that something like the AEK-971 should not be on the AK-47 page. And likewise, the Galil and Valmet (which already have their own pages) need to be kept there.
*-'''Refuse to allow any foreign-made derivatives that don't appear in at least a few movies'''

How do you think that sounds? Maybe my defensive reflex is a bit strong on this, but I do really want to keep weapons that are basically identifiable as AK-47s and AKMs on one page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Question:
Hey, MPM, how do movie effects people do RPG fire? Is it all CG, do they launch a dummy tip and edit it out, or what?

== Re: Titles ==

I knew somebody would start changing the titles like that eventually, a few users complained about it, and a website even noted to look for titles beginning with '''The''' in the '''T''' section. The redirects you did worked out great, I think the movies with '''The''' in their titles will be easier to find that way, good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, that makes things much easier! Should we also do the same with titles beginning with "A" or "An"? - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Mr & Mrs Smith==
I just finished [[The Boondock Saints]] and am in a pause between movies, were you planning to do this one or can I (I noticed you added shots)? It's been at the bottom of my pile for a while and it wouldn't hurt to start digging from the bottom now. If you have stuff saved, you can of course do it, but if not let me know if I can. Thanks. Great gun pics you've uploaded, we've needed a G36 for a while and the StG 44 is excellent. Superb work. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I did the Matrix on my sister's laptop, which puts out some really big pics. I sent them to my desktop and uploaded them on the site but didn't have time to resize them. They look fuzzy? I thought they looked great. I'll be doing the other Matrix movies on the laptop too, but I'll try to resize those shots first. I'm super pissed right now because I screencapped Mr. & Mrs. Smith and 50 of the screencaps didn't save. So now I have to go back and grab the shots, many of which are from gun heavy scenes. So I had planned to upload the caps by tommorow but my crappy as computer has other plans. BTW, I only use my sister's laptop when the DVD doesn't have the right format and won't play on my screencapper (a rarity, but it happens), so I don't use it too often. It's her computer so I obviously can't bogart it for my own means alone. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Your images look a lot better, but didn't you buy this special machine that screencaps VHS and DVDs? I'd assume that would put out better images than any simple DVD player like mine. If I had put more time into it, I could have brightened the pictures to look better (I do that more commonly when adding caps to one of your pages, because my caps look like crap next to yours if I don't edit them). Compared to my regular desktop images, you can see why I would find the laptop ones more appealing. You'll see when I upload Mr. & Mrs. Smith that I brightened the pics. My personal favorite screencap from the Matrix is the Desert Eagle cycling blanks, it just looks cool. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::BTW, how come your images are so small? Usually when I upload images, they are just a little bigger than the sample picture with a full resolution preview. Yours have no higher resolution. Do you resize them to this point to save space or does your screencapper just produce small pics? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Re:Admins==
I had figured he had had quite a probabtion period, but the one with power makes the decisions, not me. It was just a suggestion. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== re: Congratulations! ==

Thanks! It's an honor to be a part of such a talented group. And I certainly understand, no need taking a risk when it's not necessary! While we're on the subject of controlling some of the stuff anonymous users add, I recall seeing a section about spoilers on the forums. I noticed today that someone had changed some of the words on my page for ''[[Godfather Part III, The]]'' to include some spoilers about the action happening (such as main characters getting killed, etc.) I realize this user was probably trying to help others specifically note when the gun was used, but that's what the screencaps are for. Would it be rude to rollback some of this user's suggestions to the previous format (which was more vague about deaths and killings in the film) or were they correct in adding this information? - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

== re: Spoilers ==

Absolutely, that helped a ton! There are also a few in the ''[[Scarface]]'' page which, in my opinion, needs some revamping (especially since its one of our most popular pages). I'm thinking of capping it sometime soon when I have about four hours to spare, so hopefully it'll look very cleaned up relatively soon. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==Mr. & Mrs. Smith pistols==
I had them IDed as a Browning Buckmark Camper with a suppressor and a Ruger Mk III with a suppressor. Your caps are a tad clearer than mine, and now I'm even more sure I was right. (I'll likely use your caps instead of mine since they show the guns better)

As for the big room full of pistols, that is awesome. I can just image that when you open the door, blinding light shines through and a choir sings. I could spends hours upon hours in there.

BTW, the Beretta 93R pic looks great.

I'm almost done working on M&MS, it's a big movie and has been taking me a long time to finish. I've also brightened my caps so they look nice. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Gun Room Pic ==

Just saw the pic you posted of the Stembridge handgun room, and to quote [[James Earl Jones]] in ''[[The Hunt for Red October]]'': '''"Mother of god..."''' [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I love when you post the pictures of vaults/armories and such. Thanks for sharing those with us. Also, the new gun pics lately (the G36, Sturmgewehr, Beretta 93R, etc.) are much appreciated! Sorry I haven't been around as much lately; I have kind of a lot going on right now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== RE: You might get a kick out of this ==

Wow, all I can say is Handgun Heaven! That collection truly is amazing, it has everything from Flintlocks to Semi-Automatics, I enjoy it when you take pictures of vaults and museum cases, they're really cool. Btw, the G36 rifles, the Beretta 93R, and the other photos you uploaded this past week are amazing, thank you for uploading.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Who supplied armorers [[CornerShot|CornerShot's]] ==

I been to every gun selling site and read every youtube video and could not ever find a
[[CornerShot|CornerShot]] on auction. Probably because CNN said this weapon system will onfortunately not be sold to civilians. Were these weapons systems real or replicas if they were real how could armorer's get them when they originated from IRAQ?[[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1993]] 22:21, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== gun room picture ==

They have an incredibly impressive collection there! That seems like one of those places that once you enter, you'd never want to leave! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]

==SP89 used in ''The Rock''==
Hi, I would like to know more about the H&K SP89 used in The Rock (1996).

Was it actually, based on a H&K SP-89? or just a H&K MP5k plus a SP89 type front grip?

Also,i would like to know What's the trigger set of it? 0-1? S-E-F? or with Navy type?

Would you mind to post a photo of it?

Thx a lot~

[[User:Friendsever|Friendsever]]

==Proper Quote==
That was my bad, I could have sworn he said "Kids." Thanks for clearing that up and going through the effort of screencapping it with subtitles. I'm working on the Glocks now, then I won't have much more to add. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Reply==
I'd probably stick my hand in the cubby with the MP5K-PDWs or the one with the sawed off/pistol grip shotguns below it to the left.

As for the "Colt 25", it is indeed a Colt 1908 Pocket chambered in .25 ACP, but most newcomers (and the person who made the page) know the cheap airsoft gun's name, which is the "Colt 25". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I was reading the Dawn of the Dead page, and I agree that the M16 they used looks more real than an Armscor. I own an Armscor M1600, it hits almost dead-on at 80yards but the pistol grip cracked so I don't use it much anymore. It hardly looks like an M16 at all. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::How do I get my own room like that? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Imagine if you will....... ==

Wow, how big is Cinema Armory? I would look in the one that the green Beretta looking handgun in it. What is that green handgun anyway? That is a very cool picture btw.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

==Sigma SW9F==

Thanks so much for that one! It's cool that we now have a standard black Sigma as well as the grey one. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:27, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Colt Mustang==
I don't know. I had originally changed the Mustang because it had its own page and added it to the 1911. Basically it is still a Compact 1911 variant in .380 ACP (even refered to as Colt Government Model .380 by some and derived from such), but then again they make the Imbel M973 in 9mm and the Imbel MD1 in .38 Super Auto and both of them are fit for the 1911 page and based on the 1911 model. So my vote is no. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Re: Chamelot Delvigne Model 1873==
The Chamelot Delvigne Model 1873 was issued in the white only they were never blued by the French. Strange to us that someone would issue a bare metal weapon any finishing or caliber mods were done by gunsmith here in the states. We had ten of them at Ellis and they were beautiful in the white. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Re: Die Hard 2 "MP5s"==

I don't think we can call the MP5A3s in ''[[Die Hard 2]]'' "fake" MP5A3s because if you look closely, they don't seem to be partial conversions. On Stewart's MP5, you can see that it has a barrel with three attachment lugs, and the lower receiver has a pushpin (for swapping out different types) and a flipper magazine release. The partially-converted HK94s wouldn't have any of that stuff.

The MP5 handled by McClane (the one with the scope) may or may not be an HK94 partial conversion; I will have to check my DVD to be sure. But for now, I'm just going to call them MP5A3s because unless the gun is a partial HK94 conversion, we shouldn't call it a "fake" MP5 (even though we both know that 99% of transferable MP5s in the U.S. were actually converted from HK94s). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, I don't disagree with you that we should separate the HK94s from the MP5 if they are '''partial''' conversions. I've been trying to do that more and more often myself (see my ''[[Air Force One]]'' page, for instance). But the only thing I'm saying is, '''the Die Hard 2 MP5s are ''not'' partial conversions.''' Therefore, we can't really call them "fake". I think your eye just slipped. The ones in the movie are the full conversions which are visually indistinguishable from standard MP5A3s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

::Just checked my DVD. The scoped MP5A3 used by McClane is also a full conversion (it has an SEF lower and barrel lugs, which are visible when he pulls it out of the snow, takes out the mag, and realizes it's loaded with blanks). But it's all good, since we're on the same page now, as you said. ;)

::I do appreciate the new pics! The AKMS and SL8 are quite nice, but the main one I was happy about was the S&W Sigma SW9F you gave me for my ''[[American Dragons]]'' page. Even though the Sigma doesn't appear in too many movies, it's really great we have one those now! Thanks again for all your hard work! As far as new users making too many gun pages...screw 'em. I mentioned my stance on this in that topic on the forum. Check it out.

::Oh, yeah, and did you see that we were able to use your Daewoo DP51/K5 picture on the page for the game ''[[Combat Arms]]''? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson Model 60 Hammerless ==

I was wondering, did you ever upload a picture of a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] with a shaved hammer? I could have sworn we had a pic of such a gun here but when I went looking for it for the ''[[CSI: NY]]'' page I couldn't find one. Any help you could provide on this would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Re: ''The Beast of War'' Screenshots ==

I love the new screenshots, way better than the crappy Youtube stills I had up. Thanks a lot for screencapping this page for me. One note though; the tank used in the film is actually a Ti-67; a T55 that was modified by the Israeli's , most notably having the main gun upgraded from the original 100mm D-10T to a western-built 105mm L7 gun (the same kind used in the American M60 Patton and the earliest version of the M1 Abrams). Thanks again for the new screencaps, looking forward to seeing the rest of them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks so much ==

Thank you so much for the 870, it looks amazing! I'm wondering the same thing, maybe he wanted to mock the 870 up to look like a Mossberg 590 with Ghost ring sights. But we got to admit, it sure does look badass, thanks again for the shotgun. if you need anything, just ask.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Thanks for the Beast updates ==

I saw this film several times on TV a few years back, but I haven't been able to catch more than Youtube clips (where the previous low-res screenshots came from) lately. Some of the info came from those clips, while the rest came from memory and research on IMDB and Wikipedia. As for the screenshot captions, I don't mind at all, makes my job easier. I remember the film also has a firearm-related Rudyard Kipling quote at the beginning. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Dawn of the Dead Shotgun ==

If anyone deserves thanks it's you, but you're welcome. Also, since we're talking about shotguns, do you think you could get an old wood stock set on a Mossberg 590 for the Dead Presidents page? ~[[User:yournamehere|Yournamhere]] (I forgot my name, silly me.)

== Re: Dawn of the Dead Shotgun ==

Thanks again, it looks even more menacing now, a true zombie killer. One question, did you have to do something specific to the shotgun to get the sights on? such as drilling holes?. Anyway, thanks again for the shotgun, it was well worth the wait.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Omega Man pictures ==

Hey great work on the OM page. I don't have the ability to capture stills from a DVD with my PC (I don't think I do) so way to go. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

== Yep I'm a fan of Omega Man. ==

I'm forty-one and I remember going to a drive in with my parents back in the summer of 73 and watching Omega Man. It was the second feature, but dad says that I stayed awake for the entire movie. Pretty impressive for a five year old.

I own a copy of I Am Legend, but I prefer OM. Own both actually.

The only guns I own from the movie are a 1911A1 and a 1903A3.Whoops sorry I do own an M-1 carbine as well. I own several S&W revolvers , but unfortunately they never make an appearance in the movie. And I belong to a couple Omega Man websites. For those who like the movie.

I don't own any selective fire weapons. Out of my price range right now.

My wife hates it. Oh well. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

==Re: Orphaned Image==
It belonged to the ''[[Quigley Down Under]]'' page, but I had replaced all the images later on since QDU was my first page I screencapped and had all widescreen shots. I didn't know that if you saved over an image, it eventually stopped getting stretched, and I wasn't an Admin. yet so I couldn't delete them myself. I deleted that image and any other from that movie that pop up in random images. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Mauser Rifle Series==
I was wondering since you added the Mauser 98 to the page if you think the Gew 98 should be on the same page instead of a separate page? I was thinking that it should be for everything else except the popular Gew98 ans K98k rifles. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
:: You rock on the Mauser photos they are beautiful. At Ellis we had 1891, 1895, 1898. Model 1935 and VZ's I just have to find my repair records before I list them. Thanks Steve

==re:==

I'm in the habit of making LOTS of new redirects, meaning that I do new pages for gun variants that we have grouped on particular pages, and then I redirect to the group page. The advantage is that it makes it simpler to insert gun page links when I'm doing a movie/TV page. Like, who wants to write '''<nowiki>[[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Tactical|Heckler & Koch USP Tactical]]</nowiki>''' when you can just write '''<nowiki>[[Heckler & Koch USP Tactical]]</nowiki>''' and be done with it? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1 and Heckler & Koch 416 ==

HI MoviePropMaster, I'm Gerry.I want to know if you can do me a favor, if you can upload pictures of a Heckler & Koch MP7A1 and the Keckler & Koch 416 I would greatly appreciate it, and great work so far.

==XM16E1 Photo==
Hey MPM, I hope that it did not upset you on the XM16E1 photo it was a configuration that most people have never seen or own. It was just one that was missing and the mod was a flash hider, chrome carrier to go with We Were Soldiers. If I did sorry. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Your Break==
You deserve a break, you've done a lot of hard work for us. I hope you find taking pics fun again, just remember, you alone have taken more movie gun pics than any other on the net. It was my fault for starting the whole Frankengun thing, but I think the best way to fix it is to not allow it from now on, and credit you for any of the ones in current use. I can imagine it must be frustrating to have people messing with your work. It annoys me how people like Kin93 almost MASS-PRODUCE your images in this manner, and I don't see your name anywhere on "his" pics. At least Steve told you he used your M16A1 and M16 pics. Kin93 never even contacted you. Anyway, hope your hiatus ends soon, we all love your gun pics and apoligize for those who don't appreciate them. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:On the one hand, I think you definitely deserve a break. IMFDB doesn't pay the bills, after all, and anything you do for us should be done because you enjoy it, not because you feel obligated to do it.

:On the other hand, I don't think you should take it too personally if IMFDB users make "franken gun" pictures. Yes, they should give you credit (as Kin93 failed to do), but it doesn't mean they don't appreciate your work. Whenever someone does that to you again, you should warn them that you don't like them butchering your work, but please don't treat all of IMFDB as if we're like this. Besides your gun pictures (which are awesome), you're one of the most valuable people on this site. Even if you never post another gun picture again, your presence would be greatly missed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Break ==

Sorry to hear about your most recent problem, and I agree, they should atleast give you credit when they edit your pictures, that's what I would do. And believe me, there are a quite a few users on here who apprecite your work. You are one of the most important users on this site because you have helped bring this site very far, and if there is anyone who deserves a break, it is definitely you. Hopefully you'll be able to find taking gun pictures fun again, and come back, but until then, enjoy your break. You will be missed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

'''Edit''' MPM2008, When you come back, I think you should see this:[http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_MK23]

==RE: THANKS! for the note of support==
I'm glad to see your back and I'm sorry you had a tough time. We all missed you though, the site felt a little less complete without you. Sorry to hear that guy took credit for your work, I'm sure he'll get his soon enough >:)

BTW, check out the Dirty Harry movies, I've been working on them lately (I finished [[Enforcer, The|The Enforcer]] most recently) and am trying to get [[Sudden Impact]] done by tommorow. Anyway, welcome back! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Re: THANKS! for the note of support ==

Glad to have you back, and sorry to hear about the tough time you had during your break. Sorry to hear about the shotgun too, hopefully the credit found it's way to who it really belongs to. And I find those Franken Gun picture amusing too, everytime I see one, I wonder to myself how they do that, but figured it was photoshoping, did you see this one?:

[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Custom Hybrid gun made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the North Hollywood Shootout - 5.56mm]]

About the Wiki page I showed you, [[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] uploaded your picture of the Mark 23 with the supressor on it on that site, but I also contacted MT2008 about it as well, and Cutaway agreed to take it off the page, don't be hard on Cutaway though, I don't think he knew that you didn't want your pictures on other sites.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

==Glad you're back!==

I'm relieved you came back. The past couple weeks just have not been the same with you gone. I totally understand what you said, though.

In your absence, we've still been enforcing rules regarding your pictures. Alienqueen and I took care of the pictures that Cutaway posted on the Gunpedia Wiki (he complied with my request to remove them). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

==Welcome back!==
Hey MPM, Glad that you are back hope things went well. I have been putting in some long hours down south also. Good to see your back at it. If there is anything we can do to help let us know. Thanks - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Re: AMT Pistols page==
I haven't been talking to Rockwolf actually, I just figured I'd make the page because we needed it. It's understandable that no one wanted them, they are ugly and fire mostly unique cartridges. They are like 1911s on steroids. Anyway, I had Auto Mags on the mind because of the Sudden Impact page I'm soon to upload. BTW, how the hell do you write Auto Mag? Is it Auto Mag, AutoMag, or Automag? I figured it was the first since that's what's written on the gun in your pic (which looks great). That's a 180, right?

I'm proud of my Auto Mag III picture, since it was originally a gun on a rug, but I took the rug out. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::So should I change the page name to [[AMT Auto Mag Pistol Series|AMT AUTOMAG Pistol Series]]? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==re: Executive Decision==

Thank you, sir. Though I think did get maybe a ''little'' carried away with pics of the Glock 19 (seven total, one of which shows just the magazine). Usually, when I do that, it's because a movie has made me enamored with the particular gun that gets more screencaps than the rest. Watching "Executive Decision" has given me the worst urge to go out and blow $$$$$ I need for tuition on a Gen 1 Glock 19.

''When I see the 'crazy terrorist' with the Norinco Type 56-1 I always expect him to scream "I Blow You! Mother Bitches!!!!!" hahahahahaha.''

Haha, I should have recognized him! It was indeed Shaun Toub [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0869467/] who played both the crazy(er) terrorist with the AK folder in "Executive Decision", as well as the store clerk in "Bad Boys". -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

OK, wow, it happens that you post on my Talk Page at the same time I'm writing a response on yours! Haha. Thanks for the new "44 Minutes" M16 pic. Again, whenever you get around to it...Best, [[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Request==

Excuse me, but I have a request. Could you combine your Remington 870 Folding stock, Ithaca 37, and MP40 images to make the cool looking Ithaca 37 from ''[[The Professionals]]''? You just take the a pistol grip of the Remington, add it on to the Ithaca 37, and then put MP40 stock on it. I would really appreciate it. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

::Here's a picture

[[Image:Prosm37.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

==The Last Crusade==
Excellent work with the page, that was always my favorite Indy film (Indiana Jones, I mean). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I'm glad to here you're doing all the Indiana Jones films, I was so sick of how crappy they were. And I agree, your screencaps look very clear. I have to brighten and sharpen my images just so they can even come close to yours. I just finished brightening and resaving all the Sudden Impact caps so I'll upload them tommorow if all things go well. I should probably go to sleep, it's 3:35am. But tommorow's Saturday and it's spring break from school so who cares? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Re:Redacted==
I can image that movie offended you (and other veterans), it made all soldiers look like pyschopathic rapists. But I cannot say I would want it removed. Why? Because then we are just as one-sided as the admins. on Wikipedia who delete all the negative crap about President Obama (remember how much we criticized that?). While the movie is offensive (as is Bowling for Columbine), they still have guns so who are we to say they are unfit to be documented on here. (but understand I still am for what you said, the movie was very offensive).

I'm a good example of why Redacted should stay on the site (about 4 years ago). I watched the film but didn't know all the guns that well, and thought "I wonder what they are using. What AK is that?" Even though I didn't like the movie these questions still arose. I doubt I'm the only person in the world who's done this, so those who hated the movie but still wanted to know what guns were used are at a loss.

So my vote for deletion is "no". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Edit: I understand you aren't picking on me, you have every right to hate the movie, as does every veteran. I just think that how you feel about a movie doesn't mean it should be removed from the site. Hopefully you understand what I mean and not think I'm being on sided or anything. I totally agree with you about the film. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== imfdb is now controversial? ==

When did this happen? I haven't seen or heard anything.And if the site is now controversial who is upset about us? [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]]

==V.I.P.==
Great job with [[V.I.P.]] so far. I haven't seen that show in a million years. I finally got the Dirty Harry movies done! Now I have a ton of other Eastwood films I'm going to do. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I'm not positive on what it is but it ''might'' be a Beretta 21A Bobcat threaded for suppressor, similair to this one:

[[Image:Beretta21ABobcatSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Beretta 21A Bobcat threaded for a suppressor - .22 LR.]]

==Fictional Firearm article moves==
I like the changes you made to the fictional firearm titles, but gramatically speaking, the apostrophe should be before the 's'. It would only be placed after if it is a plural word ending in 's'. For example, the possessive of oceans would be oceans'. If it is singular it always ends in "'s" even if the word ends in 's' such as Jesus's. Hope that helps, if you care. -[[User:Unbreakablewatcher|UW]]
::fuck I should have known that. I was tired and it was late. I will change it later. Thx. MPM

==re: Browning BDA==

Nah, unfortunately, I totally forgot about the BDA when I did the page. Gunmaster was the one who recognized it based on your picture. For some reason, I kept thinking it was a Beretta of some kind and spent 20 minutes searching Beretta photos. My brain is kinda dead right now because I let myself get talked into running 8 miles this afternoon, on only 4 hrs. sleep.

I don't think it's a problem if you want to create pages for some new guns that may/may not be in movies. The only thing I find annoying is when people make pages for guns that ''couldn't'' appear in movies because they're only rare prototypes or variants that you know armorers wouldn't have (like the original SR9). Also, if you ever want to upload your MAG-7 shotgun picture, we can put it on the ''[[Romeo + Juliet]]'' page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Barb Wire==

Hey,

It's awesome you're screencapping ''[[Barb Wire]]'', but I thought I'd make some comments here (so we don't have edit conflicts) after looking at the screencaps with my eagle eyes ;)

*(1.) The SIG-Sauer is a P228, not a P226. You can see in the first shot that the trigger guard is rounded, not squared like on the 226. Denzel Washington used an identical gun (maybe even the same one) in the movie "Virtuosity", with that same custom laser-control grip. LMO has a picture of it on their site under their "Movie Guns" section.
*(2.) The gun you IDed as a Browning Hi-Power also seems to be the two-tone P228.
*(3.) The Congressionals' M16s look to me like the MGC replica M16s, except with A2 handguards and A1 flash hiders. If you look closely, it seems they have the same style forward assist as the MGC M16s.

Here's the "Virtuosity" P228, which, again, looks like it's the same one that's used in "Barb Wire": http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/Virtuosity

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:''also you notice that there's a bunch more guys posting FULL frame screengrabs? versus widescreen? should I replace a full frame shot with a widescreen of the same shot (thus showing more of the picture?)..... MPM''

:I don't think it matters TOO much. I use widescreen myself when I can, but full frame is fine, too. As long as the guns are visible, that will do. :)

:As far as replacing the Franken-guns, go for it. I've said before - nobody's entitled to complain when you replace images because yours are better (and they involve actual effort besides just going to Google or Photoshopping other pics). However, I'm starting to wonder how we can even begin to get every single variant. I mean, let's face it...there are SO many different Franken-M16s, H&Ks, etc. that you'd go insane trying to get every little variation. I wouldn't sweat it too much. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

About the picture, remember when the servers switched back in October? Well, two images you uploaded were lost. I wasn't sure if you noticed or not, so I took that image from the old server and uploaded here, and credited to you.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== images ==

What with people overwriting images with the same images that are already on the site?

[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Glock23.jpg]
[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg]

--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

==Crank: High Voltage==
I was watching the red band trailer for [[Crank: High Voltage]] and I took some caps but the video quality was so crappy only one of the pics was even close to site-worthy. Since you seem pretty good at finding excellent quality HD trailers, I was wondering if you could take a look at it. That is if you aren't too busy. Thanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Enemy at the Gates==
I watched ''[[Enemy at the Gates]]'' last night and saw some guns you missed, so I added the caps to the page, as well as a few minor add ons to the existing guns. It's your page of course so you decide what can stay or go. I tried to make every shot I took very important and took as few as possible. You may notice my images match yours pretty close, I finally figured out how to match your cap format. I need to brighten a little more though, they still look too dark. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
: Like I said, it is ''your'' page, you can remove any images I added if you don't like them. I only added one image to the Mosin Nagant section so Joseph Fiennes could have an image for his page if needed, and added two to the sniper version, because they were pretty good close ups. I also added three shots to the Kar98k sniper section, although the closeup in his room isn't the best so I suppose it could go. It's all up to you. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE:==

I definitely do not remember that one being in the third "Die Hard" movie. Our page doesn't have it, either. Hmmm...

As for the last post: '''"All you need for a movie is a girl and a gun."''' - Jean-Luc Godard (and yeah, he was a commie bastard, but he spoke wisdom on this point) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
:A DEA agent used one in ''[[Con Air]]'' if you were wondering. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Yeah, I'm replying to what you said in Matt's talk page. Now that I think of it, that ''could'' be th gun Pamela Anderson is holding. I'll check out Bionic Woman now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Category:B&W==
Hey MPM, I like your new sub-category for B&W films I came up with an idea for you. How about a category for Widescreen since it did not exist until after World War II somewhere about 1951 or 1952. Just a thought for you. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]
: Happy Easter to you too MPM. Don't let them get to you. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==Bionic Woman==

Nice job on the page! It needs gun photos and links, of course, but we'll get on that. Anyway, here are some quick observations...

*(1.) The MP5s you IDed as MP5A4s seem to have collapsible stocks, which makes them MP5A5s.
*(2.) The Serbian gangster's pistol, which you IDed as an S&W 5904, looks like a Browning BDA (the DA version of the Hi-Power, not the BDA-380).
*(3.) John got the last two right...they are a CZ-75 (or some clone) and a two-tone Walther P99, respectively.

Take care. Hope you had a happy Easter! Also, when I get home (I'm at work now...ugh) I'll have to put in my "Die Hard III" DVD and see where that Seecamp 32 that's on LMO's site appeared. I really don't remember it, but I'll look for you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==RE:==

Ah, thanks for the new gun pictures! We '''really''' needed a two-tone Walther P99 because there are a LOT of movies that have them (''[[The Bourne Supremacy]]'', ''[[Underworld]]'', ''[[A History of Violence]]'', ''[[Far Cry (2009)|Far Cry]]'', etc.) I thought about asking you for one a while ago, but decided I should let you prioritize other stuff. Also, while I don't have screencaps for it, there were Browning BDAs used by Tibetan separatists in an episode of ''[[Ultimate Force]]'', so we can use that one on that page, too.

''Also what is with the gigantic ... but blurry ... screenshots that I see other users uploading?''

What do you mean? Can you show me examples? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Spawn AMT 380 Backup Pistol==
Hey MPM, That AMT 380 Backup Pistol that's used in Spawn is just dirty or due to the lighting. AMT built the Backups in Stainless Steel only with the frame and top of the slide bead blasted. My aunt worked at AMT and I knew Harry Sanford since I was a kid until he passed away. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
:Hey MPM, No problem on the id for the Backup. AMT which was the last name for that company had several locations. As a kid I went to two different El Monte shops and my aunt worked at both Covina and Irwindale. I think my aunt has a couple of the earlier Backups I will see if I can get a photo of them. I filled in a few blank spots on unknown weapons on pages. It was fun doing that as making new pages can get a little tiring. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==AMT==

The AMT Backup is really nice! It's good we have a picture of one for my ''Spawn'' page. I was about to upload a Google image search result, but obviously, yours is waaayy better.

So, I checked "Die Hard III" (got through about an hour last night, another hour this afternoon) and I don't know where the hell that Seecamp .32 appears in the movie. Either my eagle eyes are failing me (possible), or LMO got their facts wrong. Or maybe it was rented for "Die Hard III" for a scene that wasn't filmed. But it appears nowhere in the finished film that I can tell. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Scarface talk page ==

Yeah, now that I read what it said you're probably right. I just assumed it was some anonymous user trying to cause trouble. Whether it was or not, you're right - the discussion there is invalid now so I got rid of it again. Thanks for prompting me to take a second look, you were definitely right. Oh and a quick sidenote, the ''[[Bionic Woman]]'' page is looking great! You certainly put a good deal of work into that it looks like. I didn't get to see it when it was on but it looks pretty good from the caps you got. [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 03:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

==High Standard 8111 page==
Hey MPM,I placed your High Standard K120 Shotgun photo on this page although the page name is not correct. [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] listed it by the High Standard catalog number 8111 instead of the Model name '''High Standard FLITE KING'''. If you could fix this please. Thanks - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
:Hey MPM, Thanks for the correction on the page. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

== Re: Thanks ==

I can certainly understand the burnout feeling, especially when working with TV shows with so many episodes. That would be great if they would get those pictures; IMFDB is certainly indebted to you for all the hard work you're doing to get us exclusive pictures like that! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 07:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

==RE: Did you take this picture?==
No, I just jacked it from google and touched it up with photoshop. Feel free to replace it whenever you want. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE:==

That would be REALLY cool if you got pictures of some of the sci-fi guns. There are a lot of pics of the Moritas floating around the 'Net, but most of them are (A.) shit quality, or (B.) the rubber stunt versions. We both know yours will inevitably be 100x better! Haha.

Also, I notice you were curious about these machine pistols from ''[[Timecop]]'':

[[Image:TimeCop-AutoGunS00a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

I don't know what this damn thing is called, but it appears in quite a few TV shows and movies. Excalibur got some GREAT pics of them appearing in ''[[Smallville]]'':

[[Image:Clownrobbers2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

They also appeared in at least one episode of the TV show ''[[Viper]]'' (which also had the ''[[Timecop]]'' Taurus PT99 in its pilot episode) and I think I remember seeing them in an episode of ''[[The X-Files]]'' as well. Some of the ones used in ''[[Smallville]]'' seem to be the same ones used in ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'', and we have a picture of a rubber stunt version:

[[Image:Gun Cylon stunt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Do you think your Canadian armorer acquaintances would have any idea what they might be? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That "Cylon Gun" is a different one, look at the cocking handle on the side. It's similar, but different. Also, I can get some Moritas up, though they are Watermarked from the site I got them off. -protoAuthor

== Re: Image overwrites ==

I agree with you about the overwrites, I think you should be only one who is allowed to decide whether your images are to be overwritten or not. It just annoys me when some random user overwrites one of your images when it's not theirs. BTW, Great job on you most recent gun pictures.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Old Movies==
Hey MPM, Thanks for the compliment on the old movies that I have been posting. Some of them are harder to get clean screencaps on as the master has not been restored. But that is something I a lot of in my own library so I will keep filling the empty spots. I also have westerns dating back than also those will come in due time. One more note for you as it is important to both of us SAG signed Friday and will announce Monday. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

== re: bourne ==

Thanks! Yeah, I figured that because of its age and its less action-oriented story it would have less guns but it surprised me! Trying to identify that rifle really bothered me, I looked through a bunch of H&K and SIG rifles but then when I saw the side shot of it (which is much too brief), I wondered the same thing about the Ruger. That was really the only trouble I had save for the two pistols I currently have labelled as "unidentified" and the CZ-82 I had labelled as a Makarov (but GM45 helped out a good bit with identifying that, as well as noting the Beretta as an original 92 model rather than the 92S I had it labelled as). All in all it wasn't a bad movie at all, if some parts were a little slow (probably to draw in a more diverse audience rather than the typical espionage/action crowd. [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 18:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

==Re: New images==

'''Nice!''' I'm so glad we have a two-tone Jericho now. It seems like every other action movie made these days features the lead bad guy using a gun in the exact same configuration. As far as getting a two-tone FS model, I think it's mostly the British armorers who use that model because as best I know, the 941FS was the only version ever sold in Europe. I think the two-tone 941FS pistols that you see in ''[[Hot Fuzz]]'', ''[[Casino Royale]]'', ''[[Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life]]'', and ''[[Children of Men]]'' are all the exact same gun, because all of those shows were supplied by Crowntower, Ltd. (according to credits). It's likely that you're seeing the same pistol being reused in many films. Fortunately, there are plenty of American action movies which use the original model with the slide safety in two-tone (i.e. my page for ''[[Under Siege 2: Dark Territory]]'').

I'm also happy to have a good Benelli M3, too! Thanks again for all of these. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

== Nice! ==

Awesome work on the new pictures, we needed a two tone Jericho 941. From the looks of it many of the movies on here use the early model Jerichos, the only page I've seen that had a Jericho without the safety on the slide is [[District B13]]. Anyway, Thanks for the new gun pictures, they're highly appreciated. By the way, is there a such thing as a reverse two tone Jericho 941? Just wondering.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
::Excellent work, I kind of missed seeing your work. Screencaps improve the site but your images complete it :). If the '94 doesn't have a saddle ring or holes for one, it isn't a saddle ring. I'd say its a Trapper Carbine, is the barrel 16"?

==Re:==

Nice picture...I would say how about a Vertec section under the Beretta 92 page? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

if you watch 2:55:58 of a bridge to far you will see german soldiers with m1 garands , I think they must have had a shortage of k98k's in this film.

== Hey MPM ==

Someone is using your Lee-enfield No1 MkIII picture in this wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Enfield_rifle
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

==Taps==
I remember you asked if I had Mr. & Mrs. Smith and Taps, and guess what? I bought Taps. I have it sitting in my screencapping box and will try to do it soon. I also grabbed Appaloosa, which I've been meaning to grab for a while. I'll be screencapping that now. :)

This is irrelevant, but I got to hand a Federal M201-Z gas gun today. I went to this man's house who was a former Correctional Officer, and he owns one. He said he owned a gas gun and I asked if it was a Federal M201-Z, which shocked him since most people don't know these guns off the top of their head. Needless to say I thought it was awesome. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Thank you for Troll Removal==
Thank you for removing the troll who was among other things messing with the content of the M16 page. I've gone through and undid several other posts by this person as they contributed nothing to the pages modified. Rockwolf66

==Re:Chuck guns==

An armorer from ISS has been sending me photographs of stuff from their inventory that has appeared in movies and TV shows, including the guns from "Chuck". I'm also going to be posting photos of an M1903 Springfield from "Letters from Iwo Jima" and a nickel PPK from the "Austin Powers" movies that he sent me, too.

Also, did you check out some of the pics I posted on ''[[The Spirit]]'' page? I got great pics of Samuel L. Jackson's revolvers from that movie, and of the O/U shotguns he used, plus Eva Mendes' Beretta Jetfire. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

== RE:WTF? ==

As much as I love the Resident Evil videogames and it's guns, I would have to say no to a Samurai Edge page. The Samurai Edge is basically a Beretta 92FS with modified parts, but is still visually the same looking gun, not too different to be worth noting on anything else beside the videogame pages, mockups such as the Aliens' Pluse Rifle are a different story. Plus, not only did he make the page, but it seems that the user copied and pasted the entire article off the Resident Evil Wiki up to the placement of the images, See here [http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Samurai_Edge], and you'll notice everything is the same. I would say delete the page, but I would get word from MT2008, and GM45 before doing anything.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:Plagiarism is a huge no-no. So, it is now gone. I would maybe say OK to an entry on the Beretta 92 pistol series page, but certainly not if everything is copied word-for-word from another Wiki. If we see that, there's no reason not to shoot (delete) on sight. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem MPM2008, I deleted the article.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

==Re: 7.7mm Arisaka Type 02 Paratrooper Takedown rifle==
Hey MPM, Same that people have to chisel others out of what they have. I know how that goes I just try not to think about it anymore. The 7.7mm Arisaka Type 02 Paratrooper Takedown rifle was at Ellis Mercantile as that was were the guns came from for Dirty Harry except for the Model 29. I looked at it and just shook my head at what they did to sporterize them. We also had the 7.7mm Arisaka Type 02 Paratrooper Takedown rifle that was used in the Manchurian Candidate. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==Tutone Taurus PT92 AFS==
Your images are always useful. I put it on the [[Shoot 'Em Up]] page, as that is the only page off the top of my head that I know has that gun in it. Excellent work as always. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Thanks, I didn't even notice that. Again, excellent image. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Remington 700P==
MPM, as far as the PSS entry goes someone was converting all of the 700PSS entries to 700P entries. I put a bit of data on the 700 Police entry so that hopefully People will realize that not every black remington 700 is a P model. I myself own a 700P in .300 Winmag and someday I should try and get a good photo of is so that we can referance the barrel contures. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:I am changing all the 700P entrys back to PSS enties.Still as I'm not at home and I don't own a PSS I'm not going to make any judgements on if the rifles really are P models or PSS models. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Shotgun Blanks==
Hi MPM, I was wondering if you could help me out with something. Me and my dad are building 12 Gauge shotgun blanks with a reloading press for a movie I'm making in June with some friends, and we were wondering, is there an alternative method of packing in the power than to keep the plastic wad in? Because that plastic wad can be lethal and while we know are safety, sometimes we have to fire blanks at people. Now, he figures something like a wad of cardboard could replace it, but we don't want to try anything unsafe without some more information.

Since a box of 20 blanks is $30 bucks, we figure shotgun blanks are way cheaper to make ourselves. I hope you know a method, or else I may have to pull out the heavy kevlar vests my dad has ;). Or we are going to have to use a LOT more camera tricks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Taurus PT92 ==

Hey MPM2008, thanks for the new Taurus PT92 pictures, they're amazing, especially the two tone ones, keep up the good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 06:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, I greatly appreciate those pics, too! The one with the wood grips looks identical to the PT92 that I used to own (although I replaced the wood grips with a set of Hogues not long after I got it). And the two-tone is awesome - did you make it with ''Darkman II'' in mind? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Reply ==

You're welcome, and yeah, I remember the days when we had those crappy images. I even used to be impressed by some of them, but then when you came along, you showed we otherwise, and now I can't stand looking at airsoft images on this site. No one can shoot gun pictures better then you. And awesome work on the Mossberg 590, [[User: Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] asked for it, and there's a place for it on the [[Dead Presidents]] page, I'll be sure to put it there right now. Thanks once again, you have out did yourself once again.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, and don't worry, I'm sure you're fine. We all get that way after alot of hard work. And by the way, is that Mossberg 590 something that should go on [[MoviePropMaster2008: IMFDB's Own Armorer|your page]]?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

:Haha, Alienqueen beat me to the punch. But I agree...of course your images are so much better than airsoft images. Remember when our SP89 image used to be a picture of an airsoft MP5K with an SP89-style hand guard? I cringe at the memory now.

:BTW, sorry I haven't been on so much recently, but between the move out of my apartment in TX and my crash-course in Arabic, I've been pretty busy. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

==Mossberg 590 from Dead Presidents==

Thanks for finally uploading it with the wood furniture, now the page looks cooler. I also saw you uploaded a Model 36 Flat Latch so I'll change that if it hasn't already been altered. ~[[User:yournamehere|Yournamehere]]

==Re: Inox==

Yeah, two-tone P226s are pretty common in movies. The "reverse two-tone" from ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]'' is rare (mostly because it wasn't available that way from the factory), but the normal two-tone (nickel slide, black frame, nickel controls) has been in plenty of movies. At the very least, I figured we needed one for the ''[[Face/Off]]'' and ''[[Bad Boys II]]'' pages, since the tutone P226 is very prominently featured in both of those movies.

As far as the Inox goes, whenever you can get around it, please do it. The fact that we don't have a good image of a 92FS Inox is kind of embarrassing, since the stock image used on our Beretta 92 series page has appeared on almost 75 movie/TV show pages now. The way I see it, the more a gun image appears on IMFDB, the more urgent it is that it needs to be replaced if it hasn't received the MPM2008 treatment yet.

And yes, I agree that the newer Inox Berettas are pretty ugly; the fact that the controls are now black was obviously done to lower production costs. The older ones look way better. Also, I don't think I've seen an Inox with black controls in a movie (besides ''[[Shaft]]'', which featured those cheap 8mm blank replicas that also had black controls), and as I know we agree, it's best to use guns that look identical to the ones which our visitors have seen in their favorite action films. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

==Something you should check out==

Have you seen this:

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:MostImages

This shows the most-used images on IMFDB, and of course, they're all gun images. Anyway, you can see that most of them are gun images you uploaded, but a few in the Top 25 aren't. The Browning M2 image that was uploaded by Bunni when this site was started has been on 108 pages, the Inox image has been on 74, and the M60 has been on 70.

Anyway, I mention it because I think it's a good guide for stuff to prioritize. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

==MP5K request==
I apoligize for requesting an image (I'm not sure if I'm allowed to yet or not [?]) but I've noticed that more and more movies use SEF MPK5s with the foregrips removed to make them machine pistols (including ''[[Taken]]'' which I just finished screencapping) so I figured you'd be the man to find one. Thanks, and again sorry. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== RE: Calico Weapons page ==

Great work, The page looks great. The Calico Rifles are probably the most futuristic guns I've seen, they look like something out of Star Wars. I'll be sure to keep a look out for any Calicos on movie pages, I listed Bad Boys on th page just now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

:Well, it's interesting you say that, Alienqueen, considering that the Calicos have been around for over 20 years now!

:MPM: The page looks much, MUCH better now. I suck with Calicos myself (now that they're so much harder to find), and I get lost with the different variants. Also, have you ever noticed that Calico used to call their weapons the "Liberty I" and "Liberty II"? What is with the "Liberty" nomenclature, and which guns does it apply to?

:Oh, yeah, and are you sure the ''Deep Rising'' Calicos are the M955A? Not saying you're wrong, just that I personally can't tell the barrel length with those fake rotating barrels on them. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

::OK, thanks for the explanation about the "Liberty" thing. As far as ''Deep Rising'' goes, what you are saying makes sense.

::I have one other question which you might be able to help me with...can you tell what kind of optics are used on the M1-L1s in ''[[Deep Rising]]''? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey MPM, I have a request for you. When I was at Ellis Mercantile we had a pair of custom M-100's built by LaFrance Specialties for a show. Would it be okay to change your M-100 into that configuration? Or you can set it up yourself as there is a photo of it on World Guns.ru smg .Let me know when you can. Thanks. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

:Hey MPM, Ellis supplied LaFrance with M100 rifles and he made pistols out of them. They are different then the M110 pistols as they still have the rifle looks. I can mod you photo with you permission and then upload it under LaFrance Specialties M100 Calico Pistol. If it's not up to you standard on the photo when I upload it delete it.Let me know when you can. Thanks. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

::Hey MPM, The LaFrance Calicos were sold when the Ellis Gun Room was sold off. I have access to the rental records for them so I can find out what show they were built for. As for a photo World Guns.ru has a photo of one from LaFrance. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

:Hey MPM, I uploaded the image of the LaFrance built M100 Calico Pistol. I know that Ellis had two of these I will check with Syd to see if they had them also. The photo is not as good as yours but it will work for now unless you modify one of you photos to match. I don't think we will ever see these in the film industry again. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

== Small Request ==

Hey, MPM2008, I'm not sure if you're still calling a hiatus on requests at this time, but if you're not, I would like to know if you can upload another Remington 870 Police riot shotgun like the one here [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg], but with synthetic furniture if you get the chance. Thanks, and sorry if I added to your list.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Experimental Guns ==

I say get rid of any experimental or old gun pages, since they have no chance of appearing in anything anyway, Cutaway created way too many pages like that. But we should keep the ones you created since you're a movie armorer, and like you said, they're already blank adopted, so they have a chance at appearing in a movie eventually, plus they're nice pictures. So my opinion is to get rid of the experimental guns, and keep the pages you created even if they don't appear in anything because you never when you'll be called to a set or work on a movie that will need them.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:I've already deleted a whole bunch of Cutaway's gun pages that don't appear in movies. If you want to delete any more, I think it's fine. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:17, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== Greetings! ==

Hello MPM2008, I'm a new user to this site, 500Magnum. I just would like to express how I think your pictures are the bomb! I have never seen such fine looking pictures in my lifetime. Keep up all that hard work!
- [[User:500Magnum|500Magum]]

==S&W 60==
It's okay, it seems like a pretty easy mistake to make when a gun is improperly labeled by the factory. I'm actually somewhat relieved it actually IS a model 60, because now I don't have to find the image and change it to a Model 36 Satin nickel on all the captions where the image was used on a movie page. I'm glad you cleared that up. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Ich verstehe nicht==

I figured this would be your kinda movie! It even has the hottie from ''Downfall'' toting automatic weapons (though she gets killed early on, sadly). It's a pretty good movie; one of the CT analysts I used to work with recommended it to me.

I'm going to start uploading my screencaps soon. Maybe you can help me with some of the guns I'm not sure about. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

==FN 303 pic==

Thanks for the new FN303 pic-[[User:SB2296|SB2296]]

==Use of Pictures==
Hey, MPM, a friend of mine on another forum is making a continuing thread about "Fantastic Firearms". With pictures. I was wondering if I could say he could use your pictures in his article, since they're so awesome. -protoAuthor
:Also, could you get a good picture of a sawed-off Remington 870 with an Enforcer pistol grip?

==RE:==

First of all, I'm sorry I merged the Zastava M70 page without asking you. However, I didn't '''delete''' the page for that gun; I simply copied the text onto the AK-47 page and then '''re-directed''' the page to go to the Zastava M70 entry on the AK-47 page. If you type in "Zastava M70" in the search engine, it will take you to the new page.

If you want to change it back, that's cool, but I must ask you to consider whether your objections have merit. You seem to be worried that people won't be able to find the Zastava M70; if we do '''re-directs''', then this doesn't happen. And remember that our previous discussion about where to put the M70 was before we knew how to do re-directs.

Also, if SB2296 actually '''deleted''' the PSL page without doing a re-direct, then he is '''not''' doing the same thing I do. I would never want users to be confused; but I think that with re-directs, this doesn't happen. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

:The M70 may be built on an RPK receiver, but surely you can't deny that its '''role''' is that of an automatic rifle, not an LMG or squad automatic weapon (like the RPK)? Everything else about the gun is roughly AK-based (albeit with the many modifications specific to Serb needs, like the GL sight). That's how I see it - the AK-47 page is more-or-less intended for AK-type '''rifles''', not light machine guns. And the M70 is, fundamentally, still a rifle, even if it's built on an LMG receiver. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

::You raise a good point, and I actually considered moving the Galil and Valmet pages a while ago. Which raises another point - I wound up not doing it because the Valmet M78 and Galil look very different from the AK-47 or AKM, even though the receiver design is very similar. Whereas the M70 still does look like an AK, and is usually used to impersonate Russian AK variants in movies. On the other hand, I would ''maybe'' consider moving the Valmet M78 to the RPK page, since we both know that the M78 has most often been used in Hollywood to impersonate RPKs.

::Again, I don't want to sound like I'm fighting you too much or anything, and I don't want us to get '''too''' upset about this. I only raise these points because I think it's worth asking ourselves how to be consistent in our classification scheme. These are, of course, issues that are inherent to guns that don't fit into a particular page or category so easily.

::Also, before I forget...thanks so much for the new pictures you've uploaded recently! Where did you get those Howa Type 89s? It says on Wikipedia that the Type 89 was never exported out of Japan. It's also really nice that we have a good Blaser R93 picture. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

==FPK / PSL Sniper Rifle Page==
Hey MPM, I changed the FPK / PSL Sniper Rifle page back to it original format and added info explaining that the weapon is based on the stamped receiver RPK and not the Dragunov. Some think that it's a SVD but it's not it's more like a Yugo .308 AK. So all in good now. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==RE: Why do people forget Category:Movie?==

Yeah, I agree with you there. It just annoyed me because it's right in the description before they create page using the box, but like you said, it's probably better if they don't. One thing I hate the most is having a visitor find their favorite movie in the Categories, and clicking on it to find a blank or poorly made page, but hopefully that problem will be phased out with time. By the way, I got rid of and deleted those crappy movie templates that [[User: Dragon]] made, so you guys don't have to worry about seeing them anymore. Best Regards.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 07:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== Picture Request ==
i am really sorry to bother you with this but i would like you to take a picture of a AK-74 and AK-74M. I am really sorry MPM2008 but i love your pictures and we need a AK-74 and AK-74M Picture.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

==Bren Ten "Peregrine Falcon". I can get you a picture.==
Hey, MPM, I've got a book with a picture of the Bren Ten, I could scan that for you if you'd like. It is old and black and white, though.-protoAuthor
:Done, put it on the "Last Action Hero" page. It also appears that tutone is standard, because that picture is from a gun digest.-protoAuthor

== PT99 ==

We can use these images to the page of the PT99? - [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]
[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:TauPt99O.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

== Re: Red Heat Link ==

No problem, I think those linked headings were there for ages before you started editing. Anyway, awesome work on the page, it looks hundreds of times better now. Is the Podbyrin picture you uploaded the actual gun from the movie? It looks great.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Podbyrin ==

Yeah, I just noticed the trigger guard after I sent the message, but no, don't remove it, despite the trigger guard, it's perfect. Plus it's nice to have another unique gun on this site, and it may be the only high resolution picture of the Podbyrin on the net. Thanks again for the new picture, and by the way, thanks alot for the Two Tone M1911A1 you uploaded a few days, it's one of my favorite images on the site.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Nice Podbyrin Pic! ==

Sweet! I like that picture. I haven't seen [[Red Heat]], but I've been dying to see the Podbyrin 9.2mm. Good work MPM2008! -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

:It looks better! But please don't butcher a 92SB (which are kind of rare nowadays) to achieve the same effect in real life! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::I can't even tell it is photoshopped. You may have noticed my comment on the Podbyrin page noting the wrong trigger guard. Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't a Walther P38 trigger guard be better suited, since the gun is a "P38 on steroids"? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Sorry MPM2008, I cut and pasted your sig block by mistake as a quick means of leaving my signature. I sometimes have the habit of pasting and modding words to get things done quicker, anyway i have corrected the mistake on the talk page - [[User:Cutaway]] 03:21AM (UTC)

==Matrix screencap==
I noticed you replaced my screencap with this:

[[Image:Matrix-TwinMP5Kfirea.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

If it is any consolation, I had planned to reupload all of the images resized, sharpened, and brightened. Now that school will be over at the end of next week, I'll have more free time to get it done (as well as the other Matrix films). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:It's no big deal or anything (and I did think it was cool you grabbed the same frame), I just thought I'd let you know incase you had planned to replace my screencaps or something. My sisters laptop stretches images for some reason, I can fix that too but it is a tad harder... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::I didn't do it to be immature, I did it because your images make mine look like crap in comparison and I figured it stood out too much. Even with all the image editing I did I couldn't get the color contrast correct. Sorry... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's alright, I understand your frustration and I've definately run into petty people on the net before. Keep an eye out for Matrix Reloaded, it's my next project. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Czech BRNO VZ24 Mauser==
Hey MPM, The Czech BRNO VZ24 Mauser Rifles built before the war were similar to the M24 Yugo or 1935 Peruvian with straight bolt handle, long handguard and different rear sight. It was during the war that the Germans changed them to K98K standard. We had them both in Ellis Mercantile pre-war VZ24 and wartime production. I think that if it is a VZ24 wartime production it should be in the K98k page as they were K98k but the pre war rifles should be on the Mauser Rifle page. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==Small Request==
MPM, I know you're not taking requests right now, but I have a small one compared to my last request (The Proffessionals Ithaca 37; I'm sorry about adding it to your to-do list). Could you possibly create a Cobray M11/9 with a MAC-11 style stock (the parts are interchangable, right)? We could use it for our ''[[S.W.A.T.]]'' and ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' pages. Thanks and have a great summer. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

==CZ75 WITHOUT Ring Hammer==
Hey, MPM, protoAuthor here. Do you have an early-edition CZ75? One without the ring hammer, but with the...damn, forget the term, but the 1911-looking hammer. Just wondering if you could get a picture of one up here, for articles like Gunsmith Cats. No biggie if you don't, I can probably find a good picture on JC Devine some day-protoAuthor

==Seven Days==

Yes, I am an absent-minded moron. I admit it. I even checked the page history and then forgot who I was planning to address. :)

Anyway, watching the AVIs of ''[[Seven Days]]'' has made me realize what a ridiculous number of franken-M16s there are in the biz. This show has some of the same XM177 mock-ups seen in ''[[The Rock]]'' and other movies/TV shows - the ones that have M16A2 receivers but chopped barrels with the fake XM177-style compensators. I've seen some episodes that also feature M16 SP1s with A2 hand guards and A1 flash hiders (just like in ''[[The X-Files]]''). Any chance you'd be willing to do some more franken-M16 pictures, or let me Photoshop a few? (of course, I won't do it without your permission)

Here's a couple from Season 1 episodes:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-00061.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-00067.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-00023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-00040.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Thanks again. Hope work hasn't been too bad for you. I just watched a TV show where an actor threw down his M16A1 (a real one, not one of the rubber stunt versions) and thought of what you told us in that forum topic. Haha. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Honoring Actors who have passed away ==

Read your suggestion about the addon for the pages of deceased actors/ actresses, and I think it'd be a good idea. I also have a couple other additions for that list, namely [[Alexander Godunov]] and [[Heath Ledger]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a great idea. I could find some good screenshots of Carradine from the Kill Bill movies if you want, so we don't grab a google image or something. (edit: I checked the page, your image is just fine). It's a shame about Carradine, not the most honorable way to go :( - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:Hey MPM, I think it's a GREAT idea to honor the actors that have passed away. I think that it would raise the level of IMFDB another notch considering that people from the industry are now checking out this site more often. What ever you do on this I will use on a lot of my pages since it's mostly B&W and those actors are gone for the most part. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
Glad you liked the Heston photo with his DOB and DOD. That was my contribution. I think you're onto something.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 06:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
== Re: Godunov? ==

According to his Wikipedia article, he passed away in May 1995 due to a combination of alcohol abuse and Hepatitis complications. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

==Honoring Actors who have passed away==

That's a very good idea, I say go for it. I would be great to honor some of the greatest actors seen in movies. [[Roy Scheider]] is a good one too, I was going to put something on the Jaws page for him, but I wasn't sure how it would work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Over reacting ==

Ok, I might agree the Team America one deleting might have been over doing it. I was just pissed off that no one cares about South Park, The Simpsons, and American Dad, not to mention Family Guy. I see HUGE discussions on what kind of weapons they are using when clearly most of them were fictional guns drew up because the guy drawing doesnt know a thing about guns or wasnt told to be more detail with them, the rest of the shows look like doodles, why make the guns look like guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== VG guns ==

Well some games can be forgiven to be a little bit lack of detail, but quite a few games do go out, record the sound of the real gun shots and use those in the final production, the bigger problem most gamers has with VG guns is more on their accuracy and power compared to the real thing. VG developers sometimes significantly just make guns that would be powerful and accurate as hell weak as fuck for the sake of game balance. And going with Modern Warfare 2, some of the guns are just stupid for what real world special forces would use. I mean the Bushmaster ACR? I can see how it has military uses, but I don't even think it was even considered for military use. Russian Ultranationalist using AUGs and FAMAS? Spas 12s? Oh yeah and the one big thing a Kriss Super V. That thing last I heard wasn't even in full production yet and they somehow have Russian terrorists get ahold of one? At least with COD4, they were semi consistent with what primary guns people use, the SAS and Marines using M4 weapons, the enemy using AKs, but the random USPs, Berettas and the one mission where you as the SAS trooper holding and M24 sniper rifle was just piss poor. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE: VG guns ==
I agree with you MPM, but only because most of those experimental and rare guns are pieces of shit. For exemple, look at how many games have the XM8! The XM8 sucks ass and video game developers love them. The same thing happens with the XM29. It's a piece of shit and video game developers love them because it looks futuristic and cool. It also happens wtih the SPAS-12. It's really fucking weird to see a discontinued, really expensive shotgun being used by police or Military soldiers in video games.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Speaking as someone who first got into modern military/LE weaponry by doing weapons skins for ''[[Half-Life]]'' mods in my teens, I can say that most game dev teams really have no common sense when it comes to weapons. The SPAS-12 is actually a very good example. I remember on my first mod (which never got finished), there was a lot of disagreement amongst the members of my team over what type of shotgun we were going to have. Most members wanted the SPAS-12 because they all thought it looked cooler, while I wanted a pistol-grip Mossberg with heat shield (I had just been to a gun show where I had the chance to hold one, and being 17, I thought it was the coolest gun ever). Ultimately, the SPAS-12 won out when we voted on our forum. Of course, this was an unprofessional mod being designed by high school and college students, but most of the professional teams in the business aren't that much different - the designers are all geeks who have zero real-life experience with firearms. Whenever they choose which guns are going to appear in the game, the team members almost always pick what they've seen in other video games or their favorite movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== RE: SPAS 12 ==
Yes, the SPAS-12 apears in movies all the time, however, i was talking about how it's weird to see SPAS-12s being used by Militarys and terrorist/criminals because they are discountinued(I probably spelled that wrong) and expensive. The SPAS-12 does needs a place in IMFDB. So does the XM8 even though the only XM8s that appear in movies and television are Mock-ups like the ones in XXX 2.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

==Understood==

Yeah, I should've responded on Oliveira's page. I got carried away again... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== thank you for editing ==

Thank you for your editing of things specifically the star trek page which looks great now. You're Awsome!!!!!!

==Re: Our own movie==

OK, so the idea of IMFDB doing its own action movie (with an actual budget, storyline, and production staff) is a total fantasy, but here's something a little more grounded in reality: What would you think of a short home-made video where we show off some blank-adapted firearms, provide narration describing how they work, maybe even do a brief firing demo where we fire a few rounds through a pistol at someone's range? IMFDB already has a YouTube account (under Bunni's name) - we would just post it there. Nothing too fancy - just a video that would explain to people that, contrary to popular belief, the guns they see in movies are real. I'm still amazed at how many people seem to think they're "fake" (just talked to another gun owner on another message board who initially didn't believe me).

Also, that reminds me...what are rental fees at the armories nowadays? Does it cost significantly more to rent adapt a blank-adapted pistol as it costs me to rent an unmodified pistol from my local range? Of course, I'm guessing blanks themselves are the bigger expense (since the armories all do their own loads). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, yeah, and by this, I mean that the blank-adapted firearms in the video would be rented/borrowed from one of the major rental armories. If that's even possible... -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

::I don't see why the action movie is a fantasy. I could get someone to write us a script, and if we all pooled our resources... We have people who can be actors on this site (myself included), I'm sure. We just need money. How many members do we have?-protoAuthor

:::ProtoAuthor, I have been on some film sets (mostly when I was younger and several major shows were filmed in my home town), and I know enough about the industry to know that that's not a realistic goal.

:::MPM, wow, I had no idea blank costs had risen THAT high, even though my sources have always told me they are more expensive than live rounds. And sorry to hear about the SAG losses, though I remember hearing about it earlier (you're actually one of a couple people I know working in showbiz who have told me the same story about how it affects them).

:::That being said, the best I can say is that I'd rent one of the guns that hasn't "paid for itself" in rentals yet (i.e. one of your Springfield XDs or FNPs), so it would be a step forward to a return on the investment. But I do understand the issue with blanks, that and the fact that I appreciate how hard it is given your schedule. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

:::''rule of thumb is usually 10% of full replacement costs for one week.''

:::So, in other words, an $800 pistol would rent for $80 a week? Does it adjust as a gun loses Blue Book value? (i.e. do Gen 2 Glocks rent for lower prices than Gen 3 Glocks)? Also, I'm guessing daily rentals or student rates aren't SOP? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== SAG Strike ==
Ok, i know some things about the SAG strike but i didn't knew it was that bad! Can you tell me how the SAG strike affected movie armourers?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== new user issue ==

My guess would be an issue with his browser. To troubleshoot I'd suggest first creating a new account using the same computer, if the problem persists I would change to a different browser (ie. Firefox) and if it still persists try a different computer. I bet simply changing browsers will take care of it though. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 02:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== Much as I hate to be down on a page obvious work has gone into... ==

[[Einhander]]

It's a scrolling shooter where the player controls a spaceship. I can see how two of the pictured weapons could be based on real-life weaponry, but you could say the same of Halo [sniper rifle as NTW-20, assault rifle as FN F2000] and I don't think that's around anymore. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

==Holland & Holland Page==
Thanks for the compliment. Boy I wish one of those H&H rifles pictured were mine. But I'm just a mere mortal who has only held an H&H Double (owned by a wealthy local businessman). And I count myself lucky for that experience. The photos are from the Nitro Express Forums site. http://nitroexpress.com/
But thanks again. I figured it was time that we had a page for those great (and expensive) doubles. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks, and Little help please ==

First thanks for your revamp of the Calico weapons, great photos. Second I was wondering if you could help ID this gun from the Australian show [[Sea Patrol]]:

[[Image:Sea Patrol Revolver 2.png]]

Nothing I find seems right, it looks like a Smith and Wesson but the pattern on the handle seems off. Revolvers aren't my strong suit.

Thanks, and keep up the great photographing.
[[User:Sci Fi Gunner|Sci Fi Gunner]] 22:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

==Memorial Photos==
I'm flexible. If that is what folks want done or want to do I won't throw a hissy fit if they replace the photos I added. I've heard from different contributors regarding the memorial photos. Some people like what I've been doing - gives it a Hollywood feeling. But you an a couple others have suggested using screencaps with the actors in their iconic roles. That's the nice thing about imfdb. we can all contribute. For me it's just fun. Good hearing from you. Glad to know that folks are not against the memorial photo idea. Just have different opinions on how to format them. Or is it present? Well you know what I mean. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

==Test Template Page==
Hey MPM, Nice test page showing the difference between old and new. Adding a new column is easy just have to figure out what to name the column and how wide to max it out. I am working on the AK and M1911 right now to test but I can see right now to add a note section. Let me know what you think. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
: Hey MPM, Added the notes column check it out. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

==The Daewoo K3==

Hey, MPM, I just made a page for the [[Daewoo K3]]. I just figured out last night (with Steve's help) that some "M249s" in movies are visually-modified K3s (like the one used by [[Kevin Costner]] in ''[[3000 Miles to Graceland]]''). Can you tell me more about the obstacles to buying M249s which led armorers to use the K3? I figured I should get input from both of you on this so that the summary is accurate as possible. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

:Steve says they were apparently cheaper at one time. One thing I've noticed is that the K3s seem to appear mostly in action movies filmed in Canada. If you happen to run into one of the K3s made to look M249-ish, please do tell. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:36, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

== I hate puppets ==

It's not that I hate puppets. It's that I hate taking it seriously. I mean come on. We're talking about what kind of guns they armed little string puppets. Where did they come to the conclusion that I hate puppets? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, well I got tired of looking at the cartoons, screen caps or not. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

==Rock Island Armory Commander==
Hey MPM, You would not happen to have a photo of a Rock Island Armory Commander. Ben Stiller uses one in [[Starsky & Hutch (2004)]]. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]
:Hey MPM, Good to see that you are busy working I know several that are just looking for some work. The RIA Commander in the photo has Colt Series 70 checkered grips on it. No hurry on the photo as I will put a filler in it place for now. Thanks. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

== Template ==

Hey MPM2008, I just want to say amazing work on the new template. That is a good example of how a template should look, I can actually see that successfully showing up on more page in the future. It looks millions of times better then the crappy ones Dragon made months ago. Good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks but PhoenixEnt designed the original template. I am just playing around with it to try to see what format seems best, and boy is it hard. I sure hope we all agree on something :) MPM2008

I Concur, this will help keep the information neat and organized. This will especially be good to have on certain pages. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

The only issue I can potentially see is if no character is seen using something; for example, a remote weapon who's controller isn't identified, a weapon found on the ground but not picked up, or whatever. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 06:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

:Hey MPM, Thanks for the compliment on the template layout. You really brought it out to the for front. I just brought to IMFDB some items we used on another wiki. I do believe that all the Admins will come to the same page on how the final layout will look. It will look great when we all get on board the same train. Thanks Again. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

::I think we should use more, although it'll take alot of work getting used to. I agree to anything that will help the site look neater, plus I would like to see that template on more pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Re:==

*slaps forehead* OK, I admit it, I really am going senile at 23. Either that or the fact that I had my Arabic final yesterday and have been sleep-deprived for the better part of the week. Sorry, but don't take it personally. Oh, and nice job. ;) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Standardize Template Layout==
Hi, As we are moving forward with the new layout on the Guns and Actors pages. We need to finalize a standard layout for the Template. We have been changing gun pages over and they do look better but everyone has their own style. Dates for instance some are on the right side some on the left, some have the most current movie at the top and some have the oldest. Then we have other issues like the headers are different from one poster to another. We need to fix these issues now before we have a ton of double work to do. Please give you feedback on pages completed like the [[M1911 pistol series]] and the [[Steyr AUG]] so we can have a standard on these pages. Thanks - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

I prefer Chronological order as well, since it neatly documents each year the guns appeared each year without needing a character to use it.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:I figured there was already a consensus that we do things by chronological order? I definitely agree with the idea, 100%. Also, in situations where we have multiple movies featuring the same gun in one year, then we go to alphabetical order within those years only. For example, if we have listed ten films, all released in 1996, that feature the Beretta 92F, those ten films should be alphabetical order. There might even be a way to change the columns so that we won't have to write "1996" for all ten films, though I have no idea how right now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

==Updated Template==
Thanks to everyone for the response. I have changed the first entry in the [[M1911#M1911|1911]] page to a blend of both mine, MPM and MT2008 which looks very nice right now. As to the other suggestions on lines for each entry I have posted samples at [[Talk:Test Template Page#Anime|Talk:Test Template Page]]. The third sample looks the best as in not quite as busy as the others. The colors can be changed to a lighter gray or blue if that need to be changed to make it a little more eye appealing. It looks like we are getting close to a standard on this pretty quick. As for added actors using the same weapon I have always included them on the listing instead of trying to place multiple actors on one entry that way it has less clutter. Thanks on your input on this. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Zombieland Mare's Leg pistol==
I understand my comment on the Mare's Leg gun disrupted the flow of the page, so I figured I'd tell you a little bit about it. I'd assume it is a C.B. Custom model. They've been selling the "Mare's Leg" in typical pistol calibers (.38spl, .45LC, .357Mag) and consider it a pistol so civilians can buy it without paying a tax for a cut down rifle. Since the gun looks so new and shiny, this could be assumed. Also, they sell the gun with a non-loop lever. LSI (Legacy Sports International) has also been reproducing Mare's Leg guns since 2008, so perhaps this film bought one brand new from the company to show it off (but since the movie was filmed at this time it would be BRAND new). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== The Hills Have Eyes ==

Sorry about that, I couldn't figure out why it was doing that, so I just deleted the redirect page, if you can make a better redirect, go ahead. I'm not too good at doing redirects myself.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 17:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I was going to try getting rid of the Category: Movie tab at first, but everytime I hit the Edit tab, it would bring me to the page it redirected to, so I just decided to get rid of it, thanks for creating a better redirect by the way. --[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:38, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Alien resurrection ==

I added a note to [[Alien: Resurrection]] about a page I found on the props, you might want to take a look and see if it's legit since it implies most or all the sci-fi firearms are just props made from machined aluminium. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 01:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hey MPM ==
Anyone ever tell you that you have a lot of pictures? haha. - [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
:BTW the HKP7M13 picture, the factory nick and the blued, are they the same gun? I'm just wondering, same serial no., and if they are, how'd you accomplish that?-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::Ahahah I completely agree, I posted a picture of my Gold Cup on the forum, but I put duck tape over the SN. So are they the same gun? I saw that they had nicks in the same place as well. And thanks, I just pay attention

==Desert Eagle==

Agreed, moved back. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

==Navy SEALs==
Hey MPM, would it be okay if I uploaded a few screencaps for [[Navy SEALs]]? When I say a few, I mean a FEW. I just wanted to add some guns you missed.

* Terrorists fire a DShK (or M2 mock up) at a helicopter during the film's start

* FN FAL seen in soldier's hands in news footage.

* Sheen uses a Browning Hi-Power to shoot a terrorist when he finds the conversation "boring".

* Stinger missile launcher, which is kind of pivotal to the whole story.

* One of the SEALs is seen holding a 92FS in one scene (during the night raid), it had a squared trigger guard.

I promise I won't fill up the page with huge amounts of screencaps, in fact I think each gun should only hail one or two caps each, total. I don't think I'll need to add any extra caps to the existing guns either, unless I come across something really, REALLY good. :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::After screencapping it, I noticed all types of AK variants are seen, not just AK-47s and AKMS's. The Hi-Power was a CZ-75. The new footage had an FN FAL, and M16A1 with jungle taped magazines, and a DShK. The gun at the beggining is the same type of mocked up M2HB from Rambo III, except it is a dual mount. And a terrorist APC is seen fitted with dual M1919 .30 calibers. There are some other guns too but that was just some of the stuff I caught. I took a few more extra screencaps for the existing guns than I thought I would, so I'll put those in the discussion and let you okay them. Sound good? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Shit. Damn my impatience! Well I only added some extras to the existing guns on the page and filled out the AKs in better detail. I'll leave everything else to you, and hey, if you miss anything once your done I still have all my screencaps saved and ready to use. Sorry to tread on your toes. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::BTW, I fixed up the page format a bit (it wasn't quite IMFDB standard). I was wondering, what is this gun Ramos is holding?:
[[Image:NS-FNFNCPara-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ramos with (???). My best guess is an FN FNC Para or someting around that series of firearms.]]
::::I figured you'd know best. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Can you delete a duplicate picture? ==

After updating [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DefTech1315.jpg DefTech1315.jpg] I noticed the [[RoboCop 3]] page used a duplicate image of the original (found [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DefTec37mmGasGun.jpg here]). They were both the same image before and now the [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DefTech1315.jpg DefTech1315.jpg] is just a larger/cleaner version, and the one [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:DefTec37mmGasGun.jpg here] isn't used. [[User:Sci Fi Gunner|Sci Fi Gunner]] 16:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:::DONE :)

==RE:Sorry guys==
Good luck with the productions. I started to film my own movie last tuesday and a little today, so I guess summer's movie making time. Hope you get back soon. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Great to hear from you again! I was wondering what happened (I only '''just''' noticed the update on your user page, haha). Hope all goes well and you (and the guns) all come out of it OK. I'm sure you'll have stories to tell, too! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Armorer page idea ==

Hey, I haven't checked the forums in awhile so I don't know if anyone's had this idea before, but I was wondering if we should set up a way of making pages for movie armorers or at least one page with the armorers and links to the movies they've done. I'm not sure how it would be set up, but I just wanted to consult with anyone else to see if this would be a good idea. I figured these guys do a ton of work and it'd be great to see who all's worked on what, etc. Again, if anyone's had this idea before just ignore this but I was just thinking it might be neat to honor these guys. Let me know what you think! Also I hope you're having a good time with the productions you're working on now! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 05:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Your Photos ==

You know, I was just looking at those photos you took on your user page, and I must say that these are very well done. Bravo! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Indies ==

So do you ever find that the Indies are lees knowledgable about firearms from the A list movies or is there no difference. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:40, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::There are ignorant idiots everywhere. Doesn't matter what the budget is. MPM2008

== Smith & Wesson Model 5943 ==
I read your comment regarding the 5943. I don't know if I came off as rude, condescending, or arrogant, but I assure you I did not intend offense nor did I mean to slight you in any way. I am merely a gun enthusiast whose knowledge is evergrowing, much like the rest of the people on this site.

The Smith & Wesson number system dictates that a "5943" is a full size, double action only, alloy framed gun, and there are numerous examples of this. However, the gun pictured to represent the 5943 has the 3.5 inch barrel of many of the 69 Series guns. You know without a doubt that it's a 5943, which, since I can't confirm with you due to your real life projects, I can only assume you can confirm by the marking number stamped on the frame. After looking some more online, I've found two possible answers to this phenomena. One, someone could have merged a 6946 slide assembly with a 5943 frame, but I don't know if you got the gun secondhand or not, so this isn't likely. The other answer is the 5943 SSV (short slide variant) which is exactly like the one you have pictured. I'll attach a link to an example. It has a blued slide, but I did find an example with a stainless slide, but the picture was removed before I could save it.

Again, sorry if I offended you, I'm just trying to figure something out and learn.

[http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9959/5943vssnx0.jpg]

==Bisley Colt==
Nice pic of the Bisley Colt! I didn't know Cimmeron made a copy of that version, but I guess I haven't looked at their site in a while. Any way, excellent work. How's the work in the indie movies going? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Help with Militaria ==
I see you are a collector of Military equipment. I want to be a collector too. Could you tell me where to find a good website that sells militaria? I am looking for a soviet SSh68 helmet. The one the Soviet Army used during the war in afghanistan. I'm also looking for a Vietnam War era american M1 Helmet with the Nam Leaf pattern. Could you tell me where i can find those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::Nope. I got all my stuff years ago in person and NOT on the internet. I bought all my M1 helmets with the nam leaf pattern cover at the Great Western gun show in 1993. MPM

==Template Layout==
Hi Everyone, Now that I am back let's talk about the page layout template. On the forum we had one item brought up about the chronological order being reversed. Also another item was brought up about putting lies or boxing in the information. As admin it is up to us to police the site and make a decision that is agreed upon by the majority of admins and then implemented. Let's all go back to the [[Talk:Test Template Page]] and nail these last issues down. As we talk about it pages have been created and might need to be corrected so there is a standard look to all the gun and actor pages. Thanks for you input and help on the. - [[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Re: Primeval==

''I just saw a chopped and converted HK94 (masquerading as an MP5) on the BBC show "Primevel" tonight. WTF? Why on earth would the British Armorers have such a thing?''

Hmmmm, that is odd. I imagine that there were at least some HK94s imported to the U.K. before the 1987 Hungerford Massacre (and the subsequent ban on semi-auto rifles and shotguns), so it's possible that a few were acquired by the British armories and only partially converted to MP5 specs. But it's definitely the kind of thing I wouldn't expect to see anywhere except in American movies and TV shows. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

==Re:Remington M1903A3 in Public Enemies==
I think this is a factual error mistake or someone confused the rifles to be M1903's.Maybe it's an earlier version of the M1903. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==The S&W in Constantine==

[[Image:C-RachelGunLoadCarA.jpg‎‎ |thumb|none|600px|Angela Dodson ([[Rachel Weisz]]) loads up her 6906.]]

This pistol has a single-stack frame, so it can't be a 6906. It's most likely a 3913 (the regular 3913, not the Ladysmith). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:''WTF? you in the habit of reading Gunmaster45's talk page?''

:Yep, I'm just creepy like that. No, seriously, I was about to leave a message on his page when I decided to PM him on the forum instead.

:As for the S&W, I'm not 100% sure it's a 3913. But remember that because Rachel Weisz is a woman, she's probably got small hands, so guns which look compact in the hands of a guy are probably going to look much bigger in her hands. Her IMDB profile says she's 5'7".

:Thanks for the new pictures. It's nice to have our own P18.9, and the old-school MGC XM177 look-a-like. I've actually handled one of the newer MGC XM177s (which has a more realistic-looking forward assist button). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

::Whoa, you have been quite busy this weekend! Nice, very nice! But still curious...any chance of an MGC M16 configured like the ones from ''[[Barb Wire]]'' and ''[[Outbreak]]''? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

:::I don't think the ''[[Barb Wire]]'' guns are a factory MGC config; I think they were built using real M16 parts. As you noted yourself on the page, they have real M16 mags that clearly don't fit in the wells.

:::Anyway, as far as the Photoshopped guns go, I noticed that somebody keeps re-adding many of the M16s (like that inaccurate XM177E1) to the M16 page even though I have removed them myself on various occasions. Not sure who keeps doing it, but I would not discourage you from removing them. I'm getting to the point where I'm a bit fed up with Anonymous users myself (I've undone their incorrect edits a whole bunch of times now). But I hope it doesn't make you completely hate us. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I was just coming on here to suggest 3913 as well (not the Lady Smith though). I believe this is the gun in [[Painkiller Jane (2007)]] as well. Let me know when you plan to finish [[Navy SEALs]], I'm looking forward to seeing it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::BTW, excellent gun pics. As always. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==UWE AKs==

''I think they're Bulgarian Arsenal ARs in 5.56mm not Norinco guns.''

Hmmm, you might be right (the dark wood is certainly not consistent with Chinese AKs), but I'm pretty sure they have the full-circle front sight hoods, which would mean they're Norincos. I'll have to check again to be sure. Also, the armorers who worked on ''[[Underworld: Evolution]]'' are the same guys who do ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'', and that show very often uses the Type 84 to equip the Russian SG teams (as an AK-74 substitute). So it would make lots of sense if the same guns were used here. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:You might be right (and we both know I've screwed this up before), but just take a look at this one other shot:

:[[Image:UWEAK-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

:My eyes could still be playing tricks on me, but those do looked like the circular front sight. Also, I noticed that in ''Stargate: Continum'', Cameron Mitchell used a Type 84 with the same color wood:

:[[Image:SGAK7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Again, the same armorers worked on both shows. It would make plenty of sense if the same AKs were sent out on both. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hey MPM2008, I just want to say excellent work on the images you have uploaded this past weekend, I like the Pre war M1911A1 alot. Keep up the good work, I hope work has gotten atleast a little easier for you.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== Can you believe this guy? ==

Yournamehere thinks he can come to my page and change the format I prefer because he doesn't like it. How is my format not orderly. It's pissing me off. I mean look at my [[Black Lagoon]] Page. How is it better now than before when I had sections for which guns is which. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== You should ban this guy. ==

67.183.66.44 is making nonsense edits to loads of gun articles, adding links to films he seems to just be making up as he goes along, adding images that are misformatted...He needs a good solid kick up the rear, I think, since he's just making things worse now. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

==RE: Jericho==

Nah, I'm not sure who those guys are (or if they're all the same person). I haven't touched my ''[[Jericho]]'' page in months now, even though it could use some more work.

Also, sorry I didn't get back to you about user 67.183.66.44, even though I see you banned him. I have been pretty busy and I keep forgetting to do things for this site that I've been meaning to do. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

==Léon==
Don't commend me, give the honors to AdAstra2009. He's the one who did the completed page first and IDed the obscure weapons such as the assault rifles. I'm just adding better screencaps and fixing formating issues (no captions, lack of descriptions, etc.), although there are a few guns I will still upload that I don't think he found. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==RE: Gun ID==
It looks like a Star Model PD. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I second that; I think John is correct. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

=== Pulse Rifle inspiring the Morita ===
Yes it did, the same guy made both of them. The dude took what he learned from the pulse rifle, and applied it to the morita.-protoAuthor

==Nice new pics! + "Stealth" ==

Thanks for the new MP7 pictures! Are those yours? The Rossi Overland is also great, because now we can ditch the picture that was jacked from LMO (I think you can probably just upload over the old one, and nobody will mind).

Also, I still think that the MP7 that you documented in ''[[Stealth]]'' is actually a prototype PDW and not a production model, for the reasons I mentioned on the page (and which I guess we should move to discussion). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:Actually, ignore what I said, I forgot that the existing Rossi Overland was the same one from ''[[The Untouchable]]'', and keeping it for that page only is a good idea. But I think we should use yours for all other pages that have the Rossi. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Nah, I ain't psychic, just happened to be online at the same time. It happens. LOL. As I said later, changed my mind...the LMO one can stay on the ''[[The Untouchables]]'' page only, but every other page that uses it should have the image replaced by yours. Also, I think there's already a sawed-off 870 besides that one from the Waco Police Dept. on here somewhere...we should just ditch it and use the other one.

::Nice MP7. H&K may think we suck and they hate us, but having our own MP7 pictures is really great, especially since it appears in so many movies as of late. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Assault on Precinct 13 ==
Oh yeah that movie is seventies all the way. My dad was a cop back in the seventies (1970 - 1994) and what that movie portrays was a very real concern of cops. The idea of a police precinct being besieged in an inner-city neighborhood seemed very real. Plus all the firearms are old school. Revolvers, pump action shotguns,even that unrealistic "silencer"on the C96. None of the bells and whistles that the remake had.Plus the bad guys was a street gang not some type of massive armyof "bad" cops.I like the fact that the original isn't so PC. All in all it's a better movie imho. Just has an edge that the remake lacks. Alot of the 1970 cop films had a bite to them. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:24, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

== ''Flight of the Intruder'' Edits ==

Sorry about stepping on your toes in regard to ''[[Flight of the Intruder]]'', I didn't mean to mess you up while you were working on the page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Don't use PNG files for screenshots ==

Okay. Now I have to convert all the screenshots after I take them, no a big problem. How do I remove the pics I already posted?
BTW, I didn't realize just how much work it takes to make a page till now, you guys are really amazing. --[[User:Zurak 47|Zurak 47]] 23:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

==From your TimeCop page==

MPM,

[[Image:Timecop-ShotgunEmptyA.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Lyle Atwood ([[Jason Schombing]]) looks down and finds his custom SBR empty. This weapon would later be used on Stargate: Atlantis. The Actor ([[Jason Schombing]]) would also have a recurring role as Dr. Robert Rothman on the show ''[[Stargate:SG1]]'']]

As you noted, this is the same gun used on ''[[Stargate: Atlantis]]''. The show's armorer, Rob Fournier, specifically said in an interview that it's a [[Desert Eagle]] .44 Magnum, and he also mentioned that the gun was originally built for ''[[Timecop]]'' even though it's been re-used on the ''Stargate'' shows several times now. You can check that interview out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIR_UCp6fPo

Just thought you might be interested. Have a good weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== Maruzen Pump action TEC 9 in Planet Terror ==

Thanks for spotting that. The M3 Grease gun was already written on the page before I worked on it and I followed it right in. I didn't pay close enough attention to caps I took of it either to see there is a big damn difference. I was in too much of a hurry trying to get them all loaded. Thanks again. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== ==
When I get older I would like to be a film armorer but have no idea how, could you help me? [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 19:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

==Category:Behind the Scenes Image==

Good idea! We do have a lot of photos that need this classification (mostly on John's pages). Do we apply it to images of stuff like armorers showing off the guns, actors training with weapons, etc., as well as Trivia-related stuff? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Re: B&W Actor Pages ==

Thanks for the heads-up on that; I modified some of the pages I had made recently which mostly include B&W actors and a few actors from ''Hill Street Blues'' who have passed on. Would you be able to check one of the pages, such as [[George Raft]]'s, just to make sure I did it correctly? [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 06:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, unrelated, but would you be able to very briefly check this cap and identify the revolver. I had originally thought it was a heavy-barreled S&W Model 10 but Gunman69 identified it as a Model 15. He may be correct but I'd just like a confirmation. Thanks!
[[Image:Hsb101-sw10hb1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Re: Flamethrower==

Looks a lot better! Feel free to replace the old one. Also, I've meaning to re-upload most of the images my contact at ISS sent me - '''not''' the ''[[Public Enemies]]'' guns, since those are the ones that got me into trouble, but I will put back the guns from ''[[Chuck]]'', ''[[Letters from Iwo Jima]]'', ''[[The Unit]]'', etc. When I do, would you like to do clean-up work on those?

Also, what do you think of the gun pictures on Weapons Specialists, Ltd.'s web site? I just uploaded their Seecamp LWS-32 (so that I could use it for my ''[[Strapped]]'' page):

[[Image:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

I think they're not quite as good as yours, but still pretty sweet. They have a lot of cool stuff on their site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Hi Standard group pic ==

Oops, sorry! Thanks for letting me know, I just put the previous picture back up! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 20:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

==The Cell==

I doubt those SIGs are P220s. When in doubt, you should probably assume P226, because the 226 is by ''far'' the most common SIG pistol used in movies.

Also, the gun you IDed as a Glock 17 in ''[[Jeepers Creepers]]'' also appears to be a SIG P226. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mera Gaon Mera Desh moved to ....... ==

You have moved Mera Gaon Mera Desh to My Village, My Country aka "Mera Gaon Mera Desh" as per IMFDB's standard that if a foreign has an English international title, that title takes precedence. But as far as I know, this film does not have any english title. Even in the IMDB it is listed as simply: Mera Gaon Mera Desh. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0232081/ My village, my country is a direct translation of the hindi phrase, mera gaon mera desh, however the movie is known by its original hindi name. Therefore It would be kind enough if you inform me the reason behind this redirection that has taken place. Thankyou. [[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 08:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Also I would like to know that how this '''foreign films''' are defined in IMFDB. As this is an international detabase, US made films are also foreign to us. Had this been Hollywood movie firearms data base, then films made outside US could have been called '''foreign'''. But this is certainly not the case. Therefore, I think it is not fair to precede an english translation before a non-english title. I would be happy to here from you regarding this matter. Thankyou. [[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 08:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

: Ok, now I can get the point that why you have changed the title. But I have checked on the IMDB that [[Khosla ka Ghosla]] has a UK subtitle, Khosla's Nest, and [[Rang De Basanti]] has an english international title, Paint It Yellow. Are these has to be changed as well? Yes, I can remember that I was told this before, but the reason I have raised this question again is that the word '''foreign''' and '''international''' appears contradictory to me. Why cant we take it as a fully global site instead of an American site? The server may be somewhere in the America but why are you restricting the site as an American only.[[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 02:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== Nid de guepes ==

It might be me bringing my wikipedia notions over, but oh well.

*Didn't know we could just upload covers grabbed from other sites.
*It's not like I have 'ownership' of the page, anyone can add whatever relevant, that's the whole point of a wiki.. Right? :/ --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 18:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

==Request==
I have a request for you. Could you take the 2nd Generation Glock 22 picture and spruce it up (cut the bars, fix the lighting, etc) like you did with the 2nd Generation Glock 19? Here's a picture of it:

[[Image:Glock 22.jpg|thumb|none|350px|]]

Thanks! - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

==Re: Seven Days==

Thanks! I miss this show and wish it would come to DVD, too. I do have quite a few more pics of other guns used in ''[[Seven Days]]'', including a S&W 640 Centenniel which Parker used briefly in an episode, Norinco Type 84 AKs, an NSV heavy machine gun, a custom shorty AK variant, the shotgun used to kill Olga in 1x04 "Come Again", the Dragunovs, etc. I will also document the Non-Guns used in the Pilot, which, as you pointed out, were due to the restrictions of filming in the District. There are also a LOT of appearances of airsoft guns in this show (many of them pretty obvious, even on the low-resolution AVIs I have) for the non-firing scenes.

Also, Nick Searcy, who played Ramsey on the show, is from this state (North Carolina). I can't remember if he still has family here or what, but I know he's been back at least a few times in the past 5 years. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

== Question! ==
I've noticed your name a lot on the site and I decided it was best to ask you. I've noticed several weapons on Law and Order Criminal Intent but I have no photos and only have the weapon in my mind. Also, is it fine to copy paste things for games? Like Resistance 2, which have descriptions about weapons in it. -GunEnthusiast

==Re: The M60==
Nice! Finally, you have blessed us with our own M60 picture! I personally like the bipod down a little more, but the bipod up is fine, too. It might even be more appropriate, because they're commonly wielded that way in movies. Whatever you choose, please make sure to upload over the existing one...it would be a nightmare to replace the M60 image by hand on over 100 pages! Hehe.

Also, I did a little more work on ''[[Seven Days]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

==Apology==
Look, I'm sorry that I pissed you off about uploading that Remington 870 with a Pachmayr grip pic. Fist of all, I got it off this JC Devine site where they auction guns and I thought I can just save a few pics and upload them to help the site. Second of all, it matches the one used on ''[[The Kill Point]]''. You can delete if you want to and upload your version. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

==The AK Krinkov==

Nice picture! It's really great we have our own picture of one of those [[AK-47#AKMSU|AKMSU]]/Krinkov-type guns, because that style weapon has appeared in a HUGE number of Hollywood movies and TV shows (if you check the "Links" section under the image, I just added your picture to almost 25 more pages which feature the same gun). Plus, up until now, that Zastava M92 which we've been using is just not a very good representation of the kind of AKMSU seen in the movies. Thanks for the image. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

:''I haven't checked on the various armories to see what exact version was used in what film, but I guess I will get around to it.''

:Steve mentioned to me that CW had quite a few of the Krinkov side-folders that look like yours. ISS has some, too, but I believe CW owns the majority of the ones that have been seen in Hollywood movies. Probably 95% of the AK Krinkovs that have been in American action movies are of the same type as the one you photographed - AKMs with the parts kit added and the side-folding [[AKS-74U]]-style buttstock. The movies that your picture now links to represent only a partial listing, I reckon.

:As for the unknown pistols in ''[[The Hunted]]'', here is what I can tell:

:*(1.) The suppressed pistol in the SF guy's holster looks to be a SIG P226 with a 20-round magazine. You can see the grip panels pretty clearly, and they're definitely SIG-style.
:*(2.) The pistol used by the Serb soldier looks to me like a CZ 75, though I'm again not 100% sure. But the CZ 75 is the most common Wonder Nine used by Eastern European military personnel in Hollywood, even in movies depicting military forces that never actually used the CZ 75 in real life.

:Hope that helps a bit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC

== New Template ==

I have created two new templates, [[Template:Infobox Movie]], and [[Template:Sortable Table]]. Tell me if you like it. [[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 06:45, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

::Hi, actually I dont have all those DVDs with me right now. I am trying my best to get those DVDs, so that I can finish all my articles as soon as possible. By the way, when I was creating the movie template one thing came into my mind, that, may be points like release dates, directer, producers are of less relevant for IMFDB. These data are easily available on IMDB and Wikipedia. So I have changed the format a bit. Could you please have a look at [[Template:Infobox Movie]] once again and tell me if this will be of any help. In that page I have changed only the box which has KAMINEY in it, the other two remains the same. Also could you please suggest me some more IMFDB related points that I can incorporate in the infobox movie, television and videogames. Thanks (this is a Festival season in India, so greetings from me as well)[[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 15:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC

==Warehouse 13==

I'm watching the Pilot episode now. The SIG pistols used by the USSS agents are a mix of P228s and P229s, not P226s. Lattimer's SIG is a 229 when he first loads it up (you can see the cocking serrations pretty clearly), but later at the museum, due to a continuity error, it becomes a 228. It becomes a 229 again in his apartment when he meets Mrs. Frederick, and then it's a 228 when he first arrives at Warehouse 13 and draws on Artie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

:Nice! Those are really great. Of course, I see you already made the P225 picture the new standard version, but no reason anyone should complain; it looks ''way'' better. And the 8mm Bruni is much-appreciated; I think those have appeared in some other movies, too, besides ''[[Ultimate Force]]''. Also, the nickel Taurus PT92 w/ pearl grips used in ''[[Shooter]]'' was also used by Lex Luthor a few times in ''[[Smallville]]'' (literally, the exact same gun; both had the same armorers). You should add it to the ''Smallville'' page as well.

:I will watch some more episodes of ''[[Warehouse 13]]'' when I get the chance, but the Pilot definitely has P228s and 229s only. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

==Hi==

Sorry I've been a bit busy lately; I've been helping with some research in my department. Thanks for those new pics of M16s and Berettas. I've seen AR15 SP1s with A2 hand guards in quite a few movies, so it's great we have a picture of that. Also, you should add the picture of the Taurus PT92 with the pearl grips to ''[[Smallville]]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
Can you get a picture of a Beretta 92FS Inox with wooden grips? Several movies like [[Push]] have these kinds of Berettas.(Crysis) -[[Special:Contributions/98.234.121.159|98.234.121.159]] 14:57, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

== Love the new picture ==
Seriously, I vocally cheer a little bit every time I see you've uploaded a new gun picture. Thanks for all your hard work, man.-protoAuthor 21:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== sarcastic captions ==
I agree that some of the sarcastic remarks have gotten carried away in some instances. On ''[[Stand, The|The Stand]]'' page I remarked that Ossie Davis didn't use a good grip when holding the S&W Model 29. But I just mentioned it and let it go. Some of our members have trouble letting it go. But I like to write humerous captions as well. Read my captions on Ghost and the Darkness, Crossfire Trail and The Yakuza. I don't have any trouble with humor. But there is a difference. So ,to wrap things up, I think you're onto something. I never really considered that folks in the industry would be checking us out. I don't know why I didn't think about that. I would like to think that they would use us as a teaching tool, but if they are turned off by smart ass remarks then we're "shooting" ourselves in our foot and the same mistakes will continue to be made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==Captions==
I try to use the best shot without the actors looking bad. (I usually end up with multiple caps for each scene.) I guess the best thing to do is point out good handling, and that is all. I think the worst as far as comments go is [[Payback]]. While Mel has handled weapons before he may not care for them all that much and doesn't ever practice. Just because the Porter character has a USMC tattoo doesn't mean, Mel is going to go get USMC training. (He has better shit to do.) Most of those comments are written by GM45 correct? Who is a MOD, so some users may be following by example. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
== Remington 870/Captions ==

Awesome work, it looks perfect. I put it on a few pages that I know use 870s with black furniture, so you can go in and start editing when you're ready. There could be more pages that use them, but I'm not sure. As for the caption thing, I agree, it's one thing pointing out stances and actors having their fingers on the trigger for trivial purposes, but calling them names and making fun of them shouldn't be allowed, because like you said, they never get the chance to practice proper shooting techniques, plus these are movies, and no one should take these things too seriously if they see them.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Thanks for your actions ==

No problem, your photos are part of what makes Imfdb great. If you're wondering about all the unploading, switching servers apparantly caused a bug that made us unable to revert images and pages like we usually would, so we had to click on your revision of the images, save the file, and then re-upload them over the images Hiel0c0 screwed with. But anyway, everything seems to be back to normal now or atleast close thanks to bunni, and his network administrators. I'm doing good fine by the way, thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Planet Terror ==
Thanks. There is still some work to be done on the page. I always try to check recent changes, to see what new goodies you're adding to site. I saw that Python and immediately thought of Planet Terror. There is probably a few others using the blued versions that need to be changed to the stainless. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

== A real life spook ==

Check it out I think we have a real life spook on the site! :o [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=User:LuckyLuciano]] [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 05:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

==New guns==

Beautiful! Did you make another trip to CW (I take it this explains the T3 SL6 and the "Fair Game" Beretta Inox?)

It's wonderful that we have a Beretta 92FS Inox now - that's been one of our site's biggest omissions for a while now. Also, do you know if that particular Beretta was used in any movies/shows besides "Fair Game"? I only ask because if it's Mike's gun, there might be a possibility it could have been used in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]'' and ''[[Hostage]]''.

Thanks again for the new pictures. Again, they're beautiful. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, wow! No, I missed those classic screen beauties. Must have been an update you did while I was away (I come and go nowadays). Nice! Also, you mean to say you have a lot more where these came from?

:Don't worry, I haven't died just yet. But I do sometimes expect my research and papers and everything is going to kill me, I must admit. It does seem a lot quieter without John around - he used to be the one who tackled all the big new films when they got released to DVD. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

== My Man ==

Thanks so much for the Beretta 92FS Inox, it looks great! Not only have you gave us a new Beretta Inox, but also a two tone Beretta, and the screen used Sage Control SL-6 from Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, you are great! By the way, how did you get the grenade launcher? Did you make another visit to Cinema Armory?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:29, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks for the response and info ==
Thank you for the apologue and responding back to me. When I first started contributing to pages I had though that I couldn’t use other member's photos. That's why I probably uploaded so many photos to pages that already had them. I've never received a message asking me to stop uploading images that were already represented, but that person could have posted it on the firearm page I posted on. If I have gotten a message to my discussion page (only messages I’ve gotten have only come from AdAstra2009, and didn’t concern photos) I would have stopped sooner. But I will check around to see what photos I’ve posted than present nothing and deleted them. As of now the only time I upload an image is when I can’t find one on this site, or trying to find something similar that isn’t posted. I wish I would have read MT2008 message but I honestly don’t know where he posted it. Not trying to blame him for anything, but know that I do know I will delete those photos. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 07:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Foxy Brown/The Getaway ==

First off, EXCELLENT work getting the shotgun used in ''The Getaway''! Having stuff like that is just part of what makes this site great! I'll try and watch for the shots you mean before the weekend, most likely tomorrow afternoon/evening or Friday afternoon. The shotgun was most prominently used in two or three big scenes but I'll watch the last half to try and catch it; that would be very impressive to match the numbers.
Also, thanks for the compliments on the ''Entourage'' page; a good number of those came from a "Behind the Scenes" feature in the fourth season DVD that showed good close ups of the weapons used to film the movie-within-a-show.
Finally, I'm glad you were able to help identify FB's pistol. Something bothered me about labeling it as a Baby Browning but since it had a similar look I figured it was a safe enough bet. Thanks for getting the correct identification though! Do you know if those were used in any other films or shows?
Good to hear from you and great work lately with the photos! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 09:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry if you've been waiting on that ''Getaway'' shotgun cap. I've watched those scenes a few times over and maybe it's me (so used to seeing the movie itself) but I'm not able to find the exact part you mean with a closeup of the side. Do you happen to know which part that's from? Also, GREAT job getting those exclusives from ''The Book of Eli'', ''Dirty Harry'', ''The Usual Suspects'', ''Pulp Fiction'', and the others. Your contributions are invaluable and really help imfdb to be a one-of-a-kind site! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 05:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Screen used gun uploads==
Yeah, I have noticed a lot of those lately. Most recently, I saw those guns from ''[[Dirty Harry]]'', which made me happy. But the ''[[Miami Vice]]'' S&W 645 beats that out, at least for me :). Thank you so much! If you could get those other Miami Vice guns like you said, that would be awesome. :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

==Re: Live Free or Die Hard==
I didn't call it the actual gun used because I wasn't sure that it was. I guess it makes sense because it's the EXACT same configuration :). And no, I don't think it would be too confusing if you said it was from ''[[Iron Man (2008)]]'' and ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. It's just like that Beretta 92F that was used in ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''. So yeah, you should say that it's from both movies :). -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 15:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

==Re: MAG-7==

As best I know, ''[[Romeo + Juliet]]'' is the only major Hollywood movie that's ever featured the MAG-7. I'm sure it's appeared in movies filmed in South Africa, but I haven't seen any of those films.

You've really got a lot of cool stuff from the boys at Cinema Weaponry. Please, do tell me, how was your trip down there? This is a really awesome update you've put together for us. Also, have you seen Steve recently? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks for the Street Sweeper and the Gen 2 Glock 19. But do you mind deleting the Glock and re-uploading over the old picture of the Glock 19 2nd Gen that we've been using on dozens of pages? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

::Actually I wouldn't reupload it over the current image, I think it would be better to have the image named Glock 192ndGen rather then Vviewpoint or whatever, I can go on Pages and replace the images.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

== Forum Moderator ==

Just made you a moderator on the forum - have fun wrangling the noobs! [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== Re:Thanks for your help ==

No problem, I don't like the idea of gun pictures having names like that, like you said it's just too wierd and confusing. As for the recent waves of screen used gun, excellent work! It's an honor to know that IMFDB is the only site on the web to have this pictures, and what's even more impressive is that alot of the guns you uploaded are 20-30 years old atleast and they're still in great shape, plus you got guns from movies that aren't even out yet, I wouldn't be suprised if other prop sites are jealous of IMFDB. Thanks so much for your updates, I can't wait to see what you upload next time.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Where should I put this? ==

Hmm, I'm not really too good with identifying AKs myself, but I'll try to help as much as I can. [[Congo]] could possibly use one, and it looks like [[Hard Boiled]] and [[Rambo: First Blood Part II]] use them, but I'm not sure, you would be probably have an easier time identifying them then I do, and yes I would suggest a new section for it, or atleast put under with the original AK-47s. As for the question about getting sick of your updates, definitely not, I could never get tired of seeing your pictures, they're too awesome. P.S, can you do me a favor? If you get the chance, can you get an Ithaca 37 with a high capacity magazine tube for [[The Terminator]] page? because the current image representing Reese's shotgun is terrible, and dosen't fit well at all, even if you get one that isn't screen used or has a full stock, it would be a better representation then that. Thanks again, let me know if you need anymore help.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== rules page ==

That's the power of the wiki structure! We'll both have at it and see what comes out. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

== M1911 history page ==

You've done a great job so far with the [[IMFDB Info - The History of M16s in Film and Television]]. It's a great way to add more information about one of our most popular pages. I was thinking: we should do a page like that for the 1911s. I'm always seeing confusion about 1) what 1911s were used in a movie and 2) how to identify different 1911 variants. I think this would definitely help clear up confusion about 1911s, as well as attract more people to our site who are interested in this weapon (the wikipedia article on 1911s is, in my opinion, substandard). Granted I'm only suggesting that this be done for Colt models, and not the different firearm company variants (S&W, Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc.) because not only would it be very long, but the real point is to inform about the history of the original Colt variants. Anyways, this is only a suggestion. I know how busy you are, so don't think I'm trying to pressure you, but I think it'd be a great idea :). -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

== insulting actors/films ==

I think we should include your notes on not insulting actors to the rules and standards page. Personally I feel this should be in the principles section under "Be nice." and let everyone behave like adults, but if we're going to enforce it maybe it should be a new rule. Thoughts? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 00:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
:Let's do both - it deserves to be a clear cut rule as well as being expounded upon in the other sections.[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 02:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Your photo has been edited. ==

One of your 1911A1 photos has been edited to look like the Dillinger machine pistol used in Public Enemies. Also I think that image was edited over an image I had already posted under the Dillinger machine pistol in Public Enemies. The image I had up was an actual firearm, while this edit is just cut and pasted together. The "new" image that replaced mine still even has most of my original write up I did in the thumb. I know that you do not tolerate your photos being messed with, as I can now kind of relate since my image has been messed with so I figured Id let you know. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 00:45, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== No problem. ==

That would be awesome if you could build the machine pistol. I understand what you mean by the younger members too. I was going to write him the message but when I saw his user page I thought that would not be the best/nicest thing to do. Anyway thanks for the response lol. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 01:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Bauer .25 Automatic ==

Excellent find! I'd say you're right; there's almost a 95% chance that's the FB Bauer and I've seen ''Wonderboys'' (but don't own it) and I remember Tobey Maguire using a small nickel pistol like that, with Michael Douglas's character mentioning he thought it was a "cap gun". From the shots I grabbed from FB though, I'd say we can be almost positively sure it's the same pistol. Thanks and great work! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 10:53, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== Gun image rule ==
I had a quick questoin regarding the rule that multiple images of the same gun should not be uploaded to this site. I agree that two images which are virtually identicle are unnecessary, however, would two images of the same weapon but with different finishes or barrel lengths be considered redundant as well? Granted they are identical from a technical standpoint, however having images with different finishes could help contributors post an image on an article which is a closer visual approximation to the weapon used in the film. So to reiterate, would uploading images of the same weapon with black, stainless, and two-tone finishes violate the principle posted on the rule page?
-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== 4006 Reliability Question ==
Hey, MPM, I was just wondering how reliable the Smith and Wesson 4006 was with blanks. I'm currently writing a script, and I've armed the main character with one. I'm seriously planning to make this script a movie someday (in the far future, but hey...), so I'm asking for your input. -protoAuthor 18:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

== The History of the M16 page ==
When are you going to update the history of the M16 page? Because I would like to help.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

==Re post==
I posted this question above but I fear it may have been lost among the other so I will restate it here. I apologize in advance if it sounds like I am pestering you:
:I had a quick questoin regarding the rule that multiple images of the same gun should not be uploaded to this site. I agree that two images which are virtually identicle are unnecessary, however, would two images of the same weapon but with different finishes or barrel lengths be considered redundant as well? Granted they are identical from a technical standpoint, however having images with different finishes could help contributors post an image on an article which is a closer visual approximation to the weapon used in the film. So to reiterate, would uploading images of the same weapon with black, stainless, and two-tone finishes violate the principle posted on the rule page?

-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Standards==
Pursuant to the Standards page...how many caps are considered too many? The reason I ask is that I have been capping for the "[[Sons of Anarchy]]" page and have a fair amount at the moment. I know you should not do too many caps per weapons so I was wondering what is acceptable? 2, 3, per weapon? Any advice or commentary would be appreciated. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks...it narrows it down a great deal. As it stands I have something like 60 caps for the series but, again, they are for the same weapons (AKs) and the like. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I know what you mean. For SOA there are some "unique" weapons but then, as I look, there's a Glock, there's another, there's another...yadda yadda. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== I'm looking for some props==
My name's Joe and I read your username and thought you might be able to help me with finding some prop revolvers or pistols. My brother is a film maker and we are looking for some 70's era revolvers ( S&W model 10 and 27) and a Colt 1911 for his film. My e-mail adress is humanzie3@aol.com, if you can help me out please shoot me an E-mail. November 2, 2009 (UTC)

==Re: The Hurt Locker==

I'll confess that the captures were from a screener. You can delete them- I was a bit too eager to get some decent shots after watching the movie at the theatre. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 00:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

== Forum login ==
Is the error that login attempts are being used up, but not by you?
:I have a problem similiar to your's sometimes. For some reason I can't log onto the site at night or at some random point during the day. I hope you succeed where I have failed and figure out what is wrong-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
::Someone is trying to brute force attack the login passwords and is using up all of your attempts. I hope you have strong passwords that aren't in the dictionary or forms of dictionary words. If not they should be changed to something strong and random ASAP. I will go through the server logs and try and track down the offending IP address. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 00:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I have a list of ip addresses trying to access your account - and it's a long list. Do you access from many different computers? Does your ip address change often? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 04:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Too many screencaps ==

Whoops! Sorry about that. I wasn't counting how many I uploaded, but I guess that was too much. How does it look now? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:39, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: Reservoir Dogs ==

Thanks! I was wondering: do you think the screenshots look low quality? Because I used an ordinary DVD, but [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] thinks they look low quality. I don't really they do, but I figured I should get a second opinion. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:Also, that'd be great if you got the hero guns from the movie, especially the nickel 1st gen [[Colt Detective Special]]. I know there are a lot of pages that feature this gun but we only have pictures of the blued 1st gen. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== H&K G3 page ==
Can you protect the page from anonymous users, I reverted the edit of the vandal who for the umpteenth time decided to remove the Specifications section.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 13:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Clue revolver ==

Hey, I have some grabs from the 1985 movie ''Clue'' but I have no idea what this revolver is. Since there's no cylinder release (this picture is of the right side but the left side looks exactly the same), I'm baffled.
[[Image:Clue-rev1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
Thanks in advance for taking a look. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 20:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks MPM. Would you recommend me (or anyone) making a page for H&R revolvers? It seems like there've been a few in some movie pages lately and I don't know enough about them to discern whether to bulk the similar ones together or make a page for each model? - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 22:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
::I think you're right! Sorry I only sent the side shot before, I didn't want to clutter up your talk page with pictures especially if I hadn't made the article yet :-/ Also, I just checked and saw that the Model 922 is a nine-shot .22 revolver. If I had sent a shot from the front, we would have seen the six-shot cylinder so that's my fault as well! Thanks for helping out though! A user (not sure who) has been adding H&R revolver pictures which has been great to help identify some H&Rs in other films, so hopefully he'll see this change as well. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 02:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

== I can't believe it ==
How the hell did you get an M1941 Johnson rifle? I though they were extremely hard to find.

Also, did you take that S&W Model 39 picture yourself?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Comments ==

Sorry about that, I was just very frustrated with all the recent vandalism on that page especially when it's hinted that's it's the same person doing it over and over again. I'll cut down on it next time.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson hammers ==
I posed this question to gun master a while back and he was unable to help me. I was hopeing you could provide some insight:
:I don't know whether or not you have the answer to this question but I thought I'd ask anyway. I was doing some reading recently and learned Colt's Positive Lock safety, separating the hammer from the firing pin to prevent accidental discharge, was developed fairly early in the twentieth century and applied to Colt revolvers, however, many Smith & Wesson revolvers continued to use the simple spiked hammer design for decades. I was currious if you knew when, if ever, S&W adopted a safer mechanism for their revolvers and if you had any details about the design.
:-Anonymous

[[Image:PaybackS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the pin on the hammer of Porter's model 27.]]

After more thought I figured that Smtih & Wesson had to have some safety mechanism on their guns differentiating them from models like the Colt Single Actoin Army, but I haven't been able to find any details on them. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== ''Italian Job'' Trivia Section ==

The reason I moved the trivia section of ''[[Italian Job, The (2003)|The Italian Job]]'' is because it was not directly firearm-related. I was following the precedence set by the trivia section of ''[[Transformers]]''; having the non-gun trivia about the titular robots moved to the discussion section. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 00:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

== High Standard shotgun ==
Why did you put an place holder picture of an High standard shotgun? I thought you already had took a picture of that shotgun for us. Here:

[[Image:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An abomination.]]
--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: You won't believe this. ==

MPM, you da man! :) These look awesome. I would've never expected to see Tony Montana's M16 here! Or the Skull's shotgun or the M16's from [[Predator]]! Great work. Thanks so much for these lovely images! :) -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:35, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
-Edit: oh, and yes, I think the black tape looks better. That makes it the EXACT configuration, making it all the more genuine :)
:Once again, I'm blown away! IMFDB is very indebted to you; Thanks for all your work MPM! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 03:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
::MPM, you get the all the best stuff. Fucking cool.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry! I just got a bit over-excited about the exclusive pictures ;) You're absolutely right though, gotta give the prop houses their due! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]!
::Really great stuff MPM, Tony Montana's M16 in particular. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 06:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I echo everyone above. Beautiful! Which armory owns this gun now? Also, can I show this off on The Firing Line as publicity for us? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Truly awesome MPM. I continue to be amazed by your contributions. You have elevated the imfdb to a new standard and are truly making it a definitive historical source. ps. love the tape, I was using gaffer tape to close off some bathrooms on set yesterday, good to know I can use it mount accessories to my firearms. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 01:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

==Year of the Dragon comment==
[[Image:YD-S&W10-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Herbert is not a very good shot. Not enough trigger time.]]
:Putting this image on the page is not professional and it has questionable value. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

::I wasn't putting down the actor, that's the character in the film that's a bad shot. In the film White (Rourke) is told by his superiors that Herbert needs more training.(hence not enough trigger time) But White says there isn't enough time and throws Herbert undercover. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the update. that is interesting information. Hmmm, the description should specifically mention the plot point being given to the audience regarding Herbert's unsuitability to go undercover and thus ends in his death. But then I still wonder how relevant it is considering we're trying to cut down the number of extraneous screencaps. Thanks for the explanation! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I would have replied to it sooner but I hadn't checked that page in a while. It was one of the first pages I did. You can delete the pic if you want, there is a few other pics I think that can be deleted also. I'll give you a list. Also thanks for putting out that memo about commenting on actors weapon skills. The site is a whole lot better.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
:Also how is it going on getting more Miami Vice guns?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

== Re: You won't believe this ==

Awesome work MPM2008! You have done a very amazing job bringing us the actual screen used M16A1 and shotgun from Scarface, Scarface fans will definitely be proud and excited. As for the black tape, I think you've done a great job making the gun the way it was in the movie, I mean what better way to see the image then the way it appeared in the movie. Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see what you upload next time. Your edits make Imfdb proud.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 06:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

==Additional stock gun pics==
I was thinking since not all of the gun pics you take can be put in their main page. (that goes for other people's stock gun pics too) Couldn't they be put in their talk page and a note be made to check it for additional gun pics? These two below are not in the 870 page but are used in several movies. It would help with clutter of pics in some gun pages and maybe keep users from uploading pics you've already taken but don't know about since they aren't in the gun page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:Rem870w618Surefire.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I could be wrong, but I could've swore that you uploaded an image like this below with the same furniture but without the extended magazine tube. I looked for it on your page but couldn't find it so I may be wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Colt Canada C7==

Hey, I have a question: Have you taken any pictures of Colt Canada C7s/Model 715s that are on your hard drive? The reason I ask is because I've recently done pages for several TV shows filmed in Vancouver (including ''[[The Sentinel (TV series)|The Sentinel]]'' and ''[[Millennium]]''), and those shows have many of these rifles. I've also noticed that many of them seem to have the "Stowaway" pistol grip that used to come standard on Olympic Arms AR-15s, so I think the "C7s" used by the Canadian armorers are actually late-80s/early-90s Olympic Arms rifles converted to select-fire. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Sounds good if you have a C7 upper. Better yet, if you slap it on an Olympic Arms full-auto lower with the Stowaway pistol grip (if you have any of those), you'll have something that looks just like the guns that the Canadian armorers use. I'm not sure why they like the OAs, either, but they sure do seem to use a lot of them.

:Thanks also for that shorty M16 picture; I had no idea that anyone besides Olympic Arms manufactured guns with that style barrel. If the K23 series didn't exist in 1996, then yeah, I guess the gun in ''[[The Sentinel (TV series)|The Sentinel]]'' can't be one of those. Only difference, the one in ''The Sentinel'' has a different hand guard than yours (it doesn't have those horizontal cuts). Otherwise, they're the same, so I'll use the picture. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== The Unit Page ==

Yes, I'm trying to clean up the page with a little more detailed descriptions and screencaps from the actual DVD's. Keep posting those screen used gun pics! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

== The Protector revolver ID ==

Okay here are my best educated guesses.

[[Image:P-Model28SnubA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
S&W Model 19 with the 2.5 inch barrel. It had the full lug protecting the ejector rod and the Baughman front ramp sight as well as adjustable rear sights and it appears to have the engraved lettering on the frame typical of S&W revolvers. None of the .38 special K frame snubbies (Model 15 and Model 10) made by S&W have a full lug protecting the ejector rod.

[[Image:P-S&WSnubAielloBoatA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
S&W Model 27 with the 3.5" barrel. Danny Aiello is a big guy so the N frame Model 27 might appear to be smaller in his hand, but the frame is bigger than the medium sized K frame Model 19 and the barrel has more length. But it ends right after the front of the ejector rod lug unlike the 4" barrel Model 28. But the big giveaway is the amount of light you can see between the front of the cylinder and the frame. The Model 27 is a .357 magnum and has a shorter cylinder than the Model 57 (41 magnum) or the Model 29 (44 magnum). On both those models the cylinder fills the frame. Also the cylinder fills the frame on the Model 19. That one feature alone makes me certain it's a Model 27. Also compare it to the snubbie held by Aiello in the screencap below.

[[Image:P-SnubAielloA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
Back to the S&W Model 19 with the 2.5 inch barrel for the above stated reasons.

Hope this helped. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Smith & wesson hammer repost==
'''''I asked this question a few weeks ago and I guess it got lost among all your other messages'''''

I posed this question to Gunmaster a while back and he was unable to help me. I was hopeing you could provide some insight:
:I don't know whether or not you have the answer to this question but I thought I'd ask anyway. I was doing some reading recently and learned Colt's Positive Lock safety, separating the hammer from the firing pin to prevent accidental discharge, was developed fairly early in the twentieth century and applied to Colt revolvers, however, many Smith & Wesson revolvers continued to use the simple spiked hammer design for decades. I was currious if you knew when, if ever, S&W adopted a safer mechanism for their revolvers and if you had any details about the design.
:-Anonymous

[[Image:PaybackS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the pin on the hammer of Porter's model 27.]]

After more thought I figured that Smtih & Wesson had to have some safety mechanism on their guns differentiating them from models like the Colt Single Actoin Army, but I haven't been able to find any details on them. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Pirates of the Caribbean ==

I think it's pretty crazy that someone keeps putting up these pages, but doesn't work on them, so I thought I would work on the pages so you wouldn't have to keep deleting them. Unless you don't want me to. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:44, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. You can delete the Pirates posters I uploaded. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

:I actually have a picture of a Trapdoor Springfield converted to a pistol for this movie (from ISS's inventory) that I would love to upload, but can't without the page. Do you think it might justify the page's inclusion? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:14, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

==Rush Hour 3==

Nice job on ''[[Rush Hour 3]]''; it's great that you've finished up that page. I do have a few corrections, though...

[[Image:RH3-Glocka.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A triad holds a Glock 17 against the head of Soo Yung ([[Zhang Jingchu]]) - 9mm]]

I think this is actually the Non Gun Glock. The trigger guard has that weird distorted look that the Non Gun Glocks have. But the barrel is definitely too short for a G17.

[[Image:RH3-GenevieveTwoGuns02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A very bald Genvieve ([[Noemie Lenoir]]) with two handguns, one of which is a SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 acp]]
[[Image:RH3-GenevieveTwoGunsa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

This is actually a P226, not a -220. If you look closely in the second screencap, you can see the double-stack bulges on the frame. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

==Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay==

Do you think those are inexpensive airsoft P226s being used by the Air Marshalls? I just looked at my own 226, and the markings on the slide don't look like that. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

== Not a problem ==

the anonymous poster has been very busy. He/she needs to educate themselves on the correct terminology. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 10:31, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

==Quotes==

So far, nobody seems to have noticed that I changed [[Template:Quote]]. I wonder what that means? ;) -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:14, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

==RE BTW you do great work==
Thank you, It's great to know that my work is appreciated :) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

==Anonymous users==
Can you block these two anonymous users-[[Special: Contributions/94.142.129.98|94.142.129.98]] (for adding gibberish to the Generation Kill talk page) and [[Special: Contributions/216.45.58.187|216.45.58.187]] (for vandalising the DEA page).--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 14:41, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

==Boondock Saints II Desert Eagle==

When I talked to [[Al Vrkljan]] about the guns used on ''The Boondock Saints II'', he told me that the Desert Eagles that his company built for the movie were chambered in .357 Magnum. Of course, you are correct that fluted barrel Mark XIX = .44 Magnum, but is it possible they may have re-chambered the Eagles just for this show?

Also, sorry I haven't been around a lot the past few days - I'm on vacation right now and haven't had as much time to patrol the site. But I did temporarily ban that one Anonymous user who kept making annoying mass edits (you know, like when he inserted "Category:Pistol" onto all the revolver pages, which I have since un-done) for a week to be on the safe side. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

:Both the .357 and .44 Mark XIXs have fluted barrels. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
==Delete list==
Unnecessary images from my pages.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:22, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Image:BTL-UNKRIFLE-3.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Image:BTL-UNKRIFLE-5.jpg

== Jacked Images ==

No problem, I got rid of those images when the owner wanted them gone. As for the Imfdb being pirates, I don't think so. If we don't have our own exclusive image of a gun, we have to due with something else, plus there are websites out there alot worse then we are.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

==Need help on Incredible Hulk==

I don't have access to the site's forum so I need your help here.

Can you go to this page and help me?

[[Talk:Incredible_Hulk%2C_The_(2008)#Need_M16_confirmation]]

--[[User:Dangerman 1973|Dangerman 1973]] 16:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

==Single barrel shotgun==
I noticed you recently made a page for bolt action sporting rifles similar to the pages for double barrel and pump-action shotguns. I was wondering whether or not a similar page for single barrel shotguns would be a good idea. I know they are not as common in film as the other weapons these types of pages were made for, but I think they are weapons where many people (certainly myself) have trouble distinguishing specific models. If you could give me your thoughts and feedback it would be greatly appreciated. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==A request==
I know you said no more request, but figured I would ask anyway. There is a particular Smith & Wesson Model 629 with a Magna ported 2.5 barrel that's been used in a few films. Seems like it would be the same one. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:EP-S&W629-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Extreme Prejudice]].]]
[[Image:H6292.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Hitcher, The (1986)]].]]
[[Image:BevCopS&W6295.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Beverly Hills Cop]].]]

==Time for image standardization?==

Thanks for informing me about the needs for game screenshots. I'm no fan of jpeg artifacts in images, so I just set the "quality meter" in Adobe Photoshop to maximum in the jpeg conversion screen (my screenshot program only saves in bmp format). After your reminder though, I tried setting the meter to 3/4ths and it seems to be alright.

Maybe it's time for the "upload file" page to contain the rules and standards for images themselves, then. Right now it doesn't say anything about "preferred resolutions" or "recommended filesizes." If that page contained more information on those rules for the wiki, I'm sure it would eliminate a lot of confusion and inappropriate files.

As for the GRAW2 page, maybe you can remove the overly-large screenshots for the MR-C rifle--I can post smaller ones from the PC version. Unfortunately, the PC version's all I have, so until someone uploads screenshots for the console versions too, that page will likely stay incomplete for some time. [[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 15:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

== RD protection change ==

Sorry, YNH asked me to change it back because he saw the movie again and said there was a gun that wasn't on the page. I forgot to change it back afterward [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

==Tremors: Wall of Guns==
Can you help me find more guns on Burt's wall of guns? I can't identify some because of the picture quality. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 05:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

== Last Samurai screencaps ==

The screencaps are from the DVD. Let me know what movies, I probably have them.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

== Beat Me to the Draw ==

I was just investigating the anonymous user who blanked the Smith & Wesson semi-auto pages, only to find you'd already nailed him. Good kill, over. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

==S&W 4500==
I never deleted anything from any article. All I did was copy and paste the information from the 4505, 4556, and 4516 articles onto the 4506 article and then changed that article's name. I deliberatly left the other articles unchanged so that if my change was rejected all that was necessary was to change the 4506 page back. Gunman69 recommended after the change that I contact an administrator to check the changes and decide what to do with the old ones so I informed MT2008 (who I believe is an Administrator) of what I did. I never logged in anonymously (well more Anonymously than usual) and wipped out the pages. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

:Sorry I didn't get back to you guys sooner yesterday, but I had a very busy day. I see that the S&W 4500 page has been created and all the variants grouped. Are we good? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:47, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

== Hunter ==

Hey MPM, I've been working a lot on the page for ''[[Hunter]]'' in the last month and am about two episodes shy of completing the first season. I'll be picking up the next two as soon as I can. Since there are at least 51 different firearms used during the first season (and undoubtedly more as the series continues), would you recommend splitting the page up by season like ''Miami Vice''? Also, as long as we're on the TV show subject, do we have a preferred format? I ''tend'' to try and keep the firearms in order of appearance, although this seems more practical for films rather than TV shows. Thanks ahead of time for your input! (P.S. I know some of the entries on the page are a little screencap-happy, but I wanted to try and get a wide pool to chose from, then delete whatever is deemed unnecessary or superfluous at the end of the season) - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 15:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
: Thank you very much for that response! I agree, the 4:3 really makes excess screencapping look even worse, but luckily with the first season complete and the decision to split up the seasons, I can streamline to a 4-7 limit. I'm going to delete some of the YouTube placeholders I had for guns used in later seasons (1-3 are the only ones that have been released on DVD so far) and cross my fingers that the rest will be released soon. I'll also start looking through the weaponry used and if it balances out in terms of handguns, rifles, etc., I'll split them up and leave the main weapons (Hunter's compensated P9S, for example) towards the top and sort the rest alphabetically. Again, thanks very much for your input and hopefully your latest four-day job went well! - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 09:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== Server Speed ==

How's it feeling now? [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

==The Way of the Gun==
I added a few screencaps to the page. I know you don't like people adding an excessive amount of screencaps to a page, especially one you worked on. If you think it's one pic too many let me know. I try not be pic happy. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

==Seecamp==

Nice! Thanks for that! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

:Hmmmm, good question. I hate to ban somebody permanently who isn't making ''malicious'' edits (vandalizing, spamming, etc.) But I really don't understand why this guy seems to be so incapable of talking to us, especially after he's been asked so many times. Failing to acknowledge our requests is just obnoxious. I don't know if he's autistic or what, but either way, he certainly doesn't seem to get the message. For now, I say ban him temporarily, but let's tell him that if he continues to do what he's been doing, then the next time, the ban ''will'' be permanent. He's had enough warnings, enough times. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:44, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

==user==
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/64.17.73.184 Needs to banned. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks (Already Dead) ==
Thank you for the appreciation and comments... Sorry for the hyperlinks, it's been a long time since I've read the rules. I'll propably read them again in a few days :) And for the spoilers on [[Already Dead]]; I tried to keep them as minimal as possible, but for instance the only good view of The Detective's Colt Defender is when he is holding it on his lap when he's dead.

PS. I will also change the hyperlinks from my other pages (Smokin' Aces 2) too, to be in line with the rules... But not yet, since our winter break just started ;) But I'll get to it as soon as I can. Once again, thank you. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:45, March 5 2010 (UTC)

==The Olympic Arms AR-15==

Thanks for the OA rifle! We do need one. But you don't by chance happen to have a C7/Colt 715 upper you can slap onto that lower, do you?

Also, one other thing...I just watched "The Education of Jamie Sommers", and from what I can tell, the M16 that the guy picks up and fires is not the same one seen on the floor. I think they use an Olympic K4B (with the distinctive "Stowaway" grip) when the rifle is lying on the floor, but when he raises the rifle to fire, it's an M16A1. In other words, yet another continuity error. The Olympic ARs used by the BC armorers always seem to be the C7 look-a-likes. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 06:06, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

:One other thing, while I'm at it, a few more things for the ''[[Bionic Woman]]'' page...

:* The Beretta 93R used by the motorcycle assassin is actually a 92FS converted to auto and fitted with a 93R grip (the firing weapon, not just the rubber one). I'm guessing it's probably the same one that was used in ''[[Harsh Realm]]'', and I've also seen that gun in ''[[Wrongfully Accused]]'' and ''[[Seven Days]]''.

:* The M249 used by the guards in the Pilot is almost surely going to be a [[Daewoo K3]]. The BC armorers don't seem to have any real M249s, for reasons I don't understand, so they always use the K3s as stand-ins.

:Hope that helps. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

== Batman movies categorization ==

I'm not sure what you mean by changing the categories for Batman, because I don't think I touched that part. Could you elaborate? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

== Predators (2010) ==

Thanks for updating, i couldn't find that pic with the minigun when i wrote the page and ive just found it and was about to amend that section. In the script its definately described as a 4 barrelled GShG so i guess they are just pretending the minigun is the russian gun.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 18:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Dirty Harry ==
Any preference regarding the M29 vs. M57 debate going on between me and and another poster on that page. He thinks it should be shown as the Model 57, but I think it should be listed as the M29 with notice given to the possibility that that a M57 was the actual model and served as a body double so to speak. Do you even care? I'm out of it, but you are the webmaster. More or less. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

That would be great. Perhaps Milius will be able to confirm that he had originally intended the M29 to have a four inch barrel and if the production really did obtain two working M29's from the factory. I was involved in an investigation several years ago and actually spoke over the phone with Roy Jinks. I was tracing the background of a S&&W Model 23 that was in our evidence locker, but I think this time it would be an abuse of my authority to call him (he's now semi-retired and working out of his house)to see if that actually happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== About PNGs ==
Sorry about the PNGs! I know how to convert them, but it looks like you already have. Thanks. I will convert them from now on.
--[[User:Linkinpark9812|Linkinpark9812]] 04:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

==Dirty Harry Model 29 description wording==
It looks to me like someone either copied IMDb or they copied us. Plagiarism?

Imdb
'':Dirty Harry's gun is supposedly a Smith & Wesson Model 29 revolver, chambered for a .44 Magnum cartridge. In the film, the gun is shown as being capable of sending assailants flying through the air, even when shot from a distance, however, in reality the gun does not produce such dramatic results. Additionally, the .44 Magnum round is not considered to be a practical caliber for urban police force use due to recoil (which makes target re-acquisition difficult) and over-penetration issues, which greatly increases the likelihood of the bullet going through its target and injuring bystanders. The actual gun used on set by Clint Eastwood was reportedly not a Smith & Wesson Model 29. According to a story circulated by a member of the studio's prop department, Smith & Wesson did not have a Model 29 in stock at the time, and so a Smith & Wesson Model 57 chambered for a .41 Magnum cartridge was used. The Model 29 and Model 57 are identical except for minute differences in bore size, chamber dimensions, and exterior markings, none of which are visible in the film. Fans however, have claimed that in a close up at the end of the film, the gun carried by Eastwood is in fact a genuine Model 29 chambered for a .44 Magnum. The close-up clearly shows the markings "44 MAGNU," with the final "M" blocked from view.''

Ours
'':Dirty Harry's gun is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] revolver, chambered for a .44 Magnum cartridge. In the film, the gun is shown as being capable of sending assailants flying through the air, even when shot from a distance, however, in reality the gun does not produce such dramatic results. Additionally, the .44 Magnum round is not considered to be a practical caliber for urban police force use due to recoil (which makes target re-acquisition difficult) and over-penetration issues, which greatly increases the likelihood of the bullet going through its target and injuring bystanders. The actual gun used on set by Clint Eastwood was reportedly not a Smith & Wesson Model 29. According to a story circulated by a member of the studio's prop department, Smith & Wesson did not have a Model 29 in stock at the time, and so a Smith & Wesson Model 57 chambered for a .41 Magnum cartridge was used. The Model 29 and Model 57 are identical except for minute differences in bore size, chamber dimensions, and exterior markings, none of which are visible in the film. At the end of the film there is a close up of the gun that clearly reads 44 Magnum on the barrel. So the Model 57 may have been used until Model 29's were found.''

I added "At the end of the film there is a close up of the gun that clearly reads 44 Magnum on the barrel. So the Model 57 may have been used until Model 29's were found."

This pic clearly shows 44 magnum on the barrel. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:DH1S&W25-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Proposed wording==

I don't think all that sending guys flying and over penetration stuff is necessary.

Inspector "Dirty" Harry Callahan's sidearm throughout the film is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] with a 6.5" barrel. John Milius who did uncredited rewrites for Dirty Harry notes on the [[Magnum Force]] commentary track. That he had written Callahan to have a Model 29 with a 4" barrel, like he had himself. But only the 6.5" barrel models could be found. There are several sources claiming that when filming began no Model 29's could be found, so the Model 57 chambered in .41 Magnum was used instead. At the end of the film there is a close up of the gun that clearly reads 44 Magnum on the barrel. So the Model 57 may have been used as a stand in until Model 29's were found.

Let me know what you think. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'll add some info about over penetration and it's mainly a hunting caliber, etc. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== M2 Carbine ==

I read your post in the Forum about M2 Carbines. I can’t log into the forum for whatever reason so I am responding here. I made [[The Eagle Has Landed]] page recently and in the movie they us either M1 or M2 carbine. Now in the film the actors are seen firing them on semi auto and full auto. There is never a real good close-up. Could you take a look at the page and see you can tell if they are M1, M2s or both? I have read that it was pretty easy to convert M1s to fully automatic which would probably explain if they are not M2s, because in the film they clearly are firing on full auto. Any help would be appreciated.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 03:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Thanks for the confirmation. Its funny how British armories would have more M2 Carbines than the US armories. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 17:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

MPM,

What about [[Apocalypse Now]]? GM45, I think was the one that changed them to M2. It was filmed in the Philippines so I have no clue about their weapons access. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:ApnowM1carb-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ApnowM1carb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Waterworld ==

Thanks about the page. There's still a few more shots for me to upload. But if you know which ones were left off, let me know.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

==Howa Type 89 help==

Mate, I need to edit something as I updated an article regarding a name change from Library War to Toshokan Senso. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 08:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

: Got your "request". Took care of it. I'll wait for the article unlock. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 08:32, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

==Mistake==

Apologies over the Library War article. I overlooked it. Will fix all reverts to it once article is unlocked. I'm also waiting for the availability of the Howa Type 89 article so that I can work on it also. Thanks. [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 17:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Happy Now==

Excellent, thank you, sir! Yes, I am quite happy.

Well, OK, not quite (and I apologize in advance if I sound demanding). There is one thing I've mentioned: All of the "C7s"/"Model 715s" we have documented on IFMDB are actually Olympic Arms K4Bs. Those are what the British Columbia armorers use, because as we've noticed, they seem to love Oly. The M16 that appears on your page for ''[[Bionic Woman]]'' is also a K4B (the M16A1 only appears due to a continuity error when the guy fires it). So what I kinda hoped was that you take the upper receiver from this...

[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

...and fit it onto the lower receiver from this:

[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

So that you would have (effectively) a pre-1994 OlyArms K4B rifle. Of course, I do realize that I can't demand anything, and how hard it is to take the pics. But ''if'' you were to do that, you would have an accurate representation of the "Model 715" rifles that appear in Vancouver productions (which account for almost all of the "C7"/"Model 715" appearances that we have ever documented on IMFDB).

BTW, thanks also for the M1 Paratrooper model. Something else we've needed for a while. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: There's no pleasing you ==

I know, I know...it must be my "aspergian" tendency or whatever to be so obsessive. ;) Seriously, it's not a ''huge'' deal if we just use the Model 715 you photographed, since, pistol grip aside, it's the same gun as the Oly K4B.

''So are all the Canadian shows have the Oly grip on them? Are you sure?''

Obviously, I can't be 100% sure. But I can tell you that the Model 715s that appear in ''[[Millennium]]'', ''[[Viper]]'', ''[[Harsh Realm]]'', ''[[M.A.N.T.I.S.]]'', and now ''[[Bionic Woman]]'' all definitely have the Oly "Stowaway" pistol grip, so they must be full-auto conversions of Oly K4Bs. All of those shows were filmed in British Columbia, so my '''gut feeling''' is that if you see a show that was filmed in British Columbia and it has C7-type AR-15s, the rifles in question are probably from the same batch of K4Bs owned by whatever armory exists in Vancouver. It seems like a safe bet, right? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Stargate/Seven Days==

There are a lot of TV shows filmed in British Columbia (especially Vancouver), but I'm pretty sure there's only one major armory in the province that supplies to all of them. There aren't that many shows where the pistol grips on the Model 715s are visible, but it still strikes me as highly likely that they're all K4Bs if they all come from the same armory.

*(1.) I wasn't able to see the pistol grips on the episode of ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' that had the Model 715s (the one that Excalibur screencapped), but again, if it's the same armory that supplied ''[[Viper]]'' and ''[[Millennium]]'', then the guns are presumably the same ones: K4Bs.

*(2.) I don't remember if I've ever seen any Model 715s on ''[[Seven Days]]'', though I can check again. The firing M16s I can recall seeing on that show were all M16A1s with A2 handguards (the non-firing scenes all used Airsoft M16A2s).

As for the Photoshopped pictures, yes, let's keep deleting them. I'm trying to recall if I've seen anymore. The only one we still have that I recall is the XM16E1 picture that Steve Karnes made (it's still on the M16 page). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: C7 stuff==

I'll replace the C7/Model 715 picture on all the other pages later tonight.

As for the receiver, what you've told me is interesting because it seems to explain why we probably see the Oly K4Bs in all of these Vancouver productions. You're saying that Colt wouldn't even sell its lowers to armorers? Presumably, this would apply to the Canadians, too. Maybe the armory in Vancouver wanted to buy C7-style rifles in case they ever had to work on a movie depicting the Canadian forces (since, in the early-90s, the C7 is what the CF still used). But since Al has told me that Diemaco wouldn't sell them any of its rifles, ''and'' since Colt wouldn't have either, OlyArms would have made the most sense for them, because the pre-94 K4B looks like the C7 and because Oly's plant is just across the border (a few hours away).

I'm speculating, of course, but it would explain a lot, no? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Colt cowards==

Yeah, I remember what cowards Colt were, long before the AWB was ever passed. I'm old enough to remember those badly neutered "Match Target" rifles being the only Colt rifles available at FFLs. I just didn't think they were such pussies that they treated ''armorers'' the same way. If they did, then I think it would go a long way towards explaining the use of Oly K4B rifles by the Vancouver armorers - they couldn't have bought C7s from Diemaco, but they also wouldn't have been able to get Model 715s or AR-15 A2s from Colt (without going through red tape, presumably), so going to OlyArms was probably the easiest way for them to get a C7-style gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE: 715 photo ==

Nah, I don't think it matters too much, since it's only the right side of the gun that's visible (not the left). It still looks extremely close to a 715, which is what matters most for our purposes.

I have also been planning to buy a 20" upper and A2 buttstock for my DPMS Panther carbine that I bought this past January. I already have a Stowaway pistol grip on the gun (which I bought direct from Oly). I was planning to buy an A2-style barreled upper, but do you think I should get a Model 715-style upper instead? I don't care too much about having the A1-style rear sight, after all (I can't imagine I'll ever be shooting at distances where I'd need to just for elevation, and I'm not that good, anyway). '''If''' I get a 715 barreled upper and slap it on my DPMS lower with the Oly grip, I will have a rifle that looks (from the right side) identical to an Oly K4B, so I can photograph it and you can edit it for IMFDB use. What do you think? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Cool. Yeah, I guess it does look a bit closer to the real thing, but you gotta admit: Few people will notice. Just look at all the mistakes on World Guns or Security Arms (or any other site with gun photos).

Also, I did the ''[[Harsh Realm]]'' page ages ago. Contrary to what I said on the page, the Model 715s which appear on that show are definitely OlyArms K4Bs. In the opening scene of the Pilot episode, [[Max Martini]] has his rifle slung over his back in one scene, and it's possible to see that it has a Stowaway grip. Plus, ''[[Harsh Realm]]'' was done in Vancouver, and like I've said, the armorers there definitely use K4Bs to simulate C7s/Model 715s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==
Really sorry for that, will make sure it does not happen again.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 10:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

==removed comment==
"The SP89 was obviously a lazy choice by the film's armorer, because the book clearly specifies a full-auto MP5K."

That was not written by me. About all I did on that page was the images. I'm not one to write comments like that. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

:Well, I am guilty of not deleting it when I worked on the page. It's been awhile since I work on that page, I just happened to check it out when comparing the holsters worn by Tommy Lee Jones in "No Country" and "In the Electric Mist". --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

==Archer==
I recently took alot of screencaps from the show ''Archer'' and when I went to create the page noticed that a page for that show had already been created and deleted with the message that western animation was not allowed on IMFDB. Below are a few of the screencaps I took from the show:
[[Image:Archerkalash.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Note the area above the magazine indicating that this was specifically intended to be an AK-47]]
[[Image:Cubanuzi.JPG|thumb|none|600px|This weapon is clearly a full sized Uzi]]

I refrained from taking images of any weapons that appeared in the show that were amorphous drawings that beared no resemblance to real weapons, however to ban western animation that clearly represents actual weapons seems to reflect more on personal prejudice rather than quality standards as there are Video Game and a few Anime articles on this site that feature guns with far less clear basis on real weapons than many of those featured on this show. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==RE: P228==

Personally, I'm fine with your P228 picture for now. We can certainly replace it with a jacked image from Google if you really don't like it. But if so, the proper way to do so is to upload over the old one, whereas Mr. Joker is trying to add the image to just one page. And he's ignoring my attempts to talk about it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

==Reply: Archer==
I only brought the matter to you because it appeared that you were the one who had previously deleted the ''Archer'' article. I too have never been a fan of having video games and Anime on this site (truth be told I'm not that fond of either media in general). The only articles I have created so far have all been live action films and television shows, however, watching the show ''Archer'' I noticed that the guns were rendered far better than in most western animation and thought it might be interesting to make a page for the series. I apologize if it seemed I was singling you out for complaints and would like to know if there is another admin I should clear the idea with first before I go through the trouble of building the page. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Another request==
In the Frankengun thread on the forums, you said you'll take request but we can't hound you about when we're getting them. So another request.

We need a Colt Python snub nose with nickel finish. We have two images of blued finish models that are jacked from the web. But nickel is more priority since we don't have one. Thanks. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Get94-python3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Getaway, The (1994)]].]]
[[Image:NBT-Revolver-Thug.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Nothing But Trouble]].]]

Here is a photo I found on the Internet. Only one I was able to locate, but if nothing else it can fill in until something better comes along. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Nickelpython.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Nickel plated [[Colt Python]] - .357 magnum]]

== Three Kings ==
I used my copy of the DVD. IDK if it means anything, but i used Windows Snipping tool to take the shots. All of my movies that I've upload have been on legally purchased DVDs. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

==Re: Atlantis: The Lost Empire==
I replaced the images with widescreen images and I even increased the picture size to 600px. Hope this helps. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 04:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Hey MPM2008, I would like to say welcome back from the Pacific, I hope you really enjoyed your time there. I also have a question, is this M60 you uploaded back in September from your armory?

[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod folded - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

If so, why didn't you put your copyright on it? It's no big deal, I'm just asking since it's a great picture, and I want to know if it's yours. Thanks.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Re:M60 ==

Yeah, sorry I haven't been around lately, been caught up in school work, but I'm back to help now. I think I might have stopped those those spammers using the the Index.php to hi for good. I deleted the Index.php and protected it, so far it seems to work. Also, there is this new user named [[User:SuperModerator|SuperModerator]] claiming to be a mod. Should be say something to him?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:Damn, somebody was impersonating a mod? My bad for not seeing it. Also, how was the show? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:Okay then, thanks for getting rid of him. He was likely one of those people pretending be a moderator in order to insult other users and keep them from talking back to him. Thanks again for showing what a real mod can do.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I've slipped and acted like a jerk myself alot while banning people, lol. But yes, We can't afford having fake mods making us look bad, I think spammers and Vandals are already enough to deal with.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:I'm trying to keep up with everything. Even though I basically work in front of a computer for 10 hrs a day (which means I tend to come on here when I'm feeling distracted), I still miss out sometimes on annoying anonymous users. My tendency is to notice if they edit a page that I worked on, but not always other stuff.

:Also, thanks for the new M733 photo. Also, that's cool that you get to go to Rome. What do you mean by advisory capacity? Just curious. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==Question about Colt Model 733 Carbine==

I noticed that you just edited the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733|Colt Model 733]] section of the [[M16 rifle series]] page to remove the comment about genuine Colt Model 733's having A2-style upper recievers. I take it then that this statement was false and real Model 733's actually have an A1-style upper? Just want to verify this for future reference. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:28, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==Massive Amount of Guns==

Am watching a National Geographic special on Guns in America and was considering creating a page for it. Thing is the number if weapons visible in the thing is so overwhelming I have no idea how long the page would be. Any suggestions? Age: 41 Country: Canada --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 13:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks for the tip. In actuality the thing seemed to strive for some semblance of balance but, as with most documentaries of this sort, did seem a little anti-gun. What I found funny about it was some of the interview subjects which included two purported trauma specialists (MDs) who were capping rounds at a range and both seemed almost giddy in the process and a self avowed pacifist who owns, among other things, a custom MAC-11, an M-16 model of some sort and several others (all Class 3) which he keeps as "investments for his grandchildren". --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 15:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Situation Critical==
Thanks for the information you gave. BTW can you help me recognize the exact variant of the [[Situation Critical#Heckler & Koch G3A4|G3A4]], it may be a G3KA4 or a HK91. My age is 15 and I do not live in North America (cannot specify my exact region).--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 06:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks and that is the North Hollywood Shootout episode. Are there any other such airsoft weapons in the page?--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 06:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

==Disambiguation page==
I have created some disambiguation pages,eg, [[M3]] and [[Delta Force]] to improve page navigation in IMFDB. Considering the latter I used to hate when I typed to search the video game Delta Force when the site redirected me to the movie page Delta Force with the same name. So I am currently in the process of making disambiguation pages for pages with similar titles to make navigating pages easy. Ben41 asked me recieve the sysop's consent before undertaking this project.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 14:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Re: the member on probation ==

Thanks, and yeah, I'm going to keep an eye on him. It's one thing getting to a heated argument with other users, but openly insulting other users over spelling, and a lack of knowledge is just plain trolling. Oliviera may have went too far with the swearing sometimes, but atleast he contributes to the site, but if this user is only here for discussion, he might as well be nice about it. I agree with your warning too, it should make him think twice before snapping at other users. Thanks again.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== RE: StrikerDelta ==

Welcome back, hope you're enjoying your trip so far. As for StrikerDelta, he came back under the IP address 173.62.63.63 a few days ago, see his contributions
[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/173.62.63.63] here, and deleted the content on a whole bunch of pages, and I banned him for that too, so that should get rid of him for good. As for the address you mentioned, I'm not certain that's him, but I'll definitely keep a watch on him, if he goes too far with deleting stuff, I'll let him know. Any way, other then that, Good luck with your work, let me know if you need anything.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Hey, MPM ==
ProtoAuthor here, I've forgotten my login, and the email won't come to me. But I see we now have a Silent Hill 3 page. I've been contributing as of last night, but I want to upload official images from the press releases. I'd scan my guide, but I don't have it with me, and it won't look as good. So, I hope my email comes soon.

==Blank adaptions==
I posted this question on the Star Model B page but figured it would be better to ask you directly as you're the leading authority on this site. Around what time did armorers resolve the issue of converting larger calibre guns to cycle blanks so that it was no longer necessary to do things like use a Star Model B as a 1911 or make fake 1911s with revolvers inside as was done in [[FBI Story, The|The FBI Story]]? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 00:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

== User talk:99.12.124.133 ==

I hate to report this, but this user keeps creating pages with only a minimal amount of information and I'm not sure what to do. I hate to have to go and fix every page this user makes. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

==RE: We Were Soldiers==

Holy crap, you got screen-used gun pics from ''[[We Were Soldiers]]''? Beautiful! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== We Were Soldiers and screencapping ==

Thanks, I'll make sure in the future to have some screencaps ready before I start the pages. As for the We Were Soldiers page, I saw that you're deleting some screencaps and have replaced some. I had some HD caps ready for the M60 section and the M1 section, but if you want to do the rest, that's fine with me. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== PNG's to be deleted ==

What's the best way to let you know that you can delete some of the PNG's I've replaced with JPG's? What I've tried to do is use the same filename for the JPG as was used for the PNG. If you look at [[The Incredible Hulk]] page, I've replaced the PNG's with JPG versions, so you can delete the PNG files. I've done the same thing for the [[Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine]]. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

== RE: We Were Soldiers AK ==

Hey, MPM, I have a question...did anyone at CW tell you if the ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' AKs have been used on any other shows? Also, I'm wondering if we should use that AK to replace many of the jacked Internet AK images that we've already got.

BTW, I finally learned why Canadian movies and TV shows have so many Olympic Arms AR rifles. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Yeah, I hate those jacked images, too. I especially hate that people keep using the picture of a Type I AK-47, which is something that has almost surely never appeared in a single movie (not in the West, anyway). Even the Type IIs are pretty rare (although at least one appeared in ''[[Blood Diamond]]''). But I figure that since the ''[[We Were Soldiers]]'' AK is about the closest we have (for now) to a Russian AK that's all our own, we could use it as a placeholder until we find a "general" image. Kind of like the way that we use the nickel Baby Eagle from ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' as our standard version.

As for OlyArms and the Canucks, I got the following info from an anonymous source:

* The big armory in British Columbia is run by a guy named Tom Felcan. His company has changed names a lot (Felcan International, Felcan Enterprises, or just Tom Felcan), but it's the same guy in charge. '''Any''' movie or TV show filmed in British Columbia gets its weapons from Tom Felcan - ''The X-Files'', all of the ''Stargate'' shows, ''Seven Days'', ''Battlestar Galactica'', etc.

* In the early-90s, Felcan made a bulk purchase from OlyArms. The records are all gone (due to the fire at the OA plant from 10 years ago), but my source remembers Felcan approaching them to purchase a ''very'' large quantity of K4B rifles and K3B carbines, both complete guns and upper receiver kits, around '91-'92. These were all semi-auto civvie rifles, but a few years later, Oly sold Felcan a smaller number of LEO flattop K3B and K23B "stubby" carbines (again, as either complete rifles or upper receivers-only).

In short, that's why you see so many Oly guns in productions from that neck of the woods. Speaking of which, I'm doing some more work on the page you started for ''[[Jeremiah]]'', and that show has a ton of AR rifles made by OA. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Sopranos PJK-9HP ==
Thanks for identifying the PJK-9HP used by [[Tony Sirico]] on an episode of ''[[The Sopranos]]''. I knew it was a FEG (thanks to the help of another contributor), but was unable to find exactly which model. With the fantastic new photo you uploaded, that page (one of my favorite of my own articles) is now even better. Again, just a small thing but I wanted to thank you for that contribution! Hope all's been well. - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 07:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

==Delete list==
Got a better view of the rifle used in this episode. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Roy_rifle.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Roy_rifle2.jpg

== Hybrid Pictures ==
Hey MPM2008, I remember you saying something about you not wanting any "Frankengun" pictures made from your images. Well, I found this on the Thompson Submachinegun page: [[Image:MiModtommy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine, early 'simplified' rear sight, and side-folding stock - .45 ACP]]

It's been on the site for quite awhile, what do you want done with it?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 19:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Hybrid ==
I took the Hybrid picture off the Thompson page, but left it on the movie page for now. As for the sniper rifle, beautiful image! Feel free to overwrite any of the gun pictures I uploaded whenever you please. Keep up the good work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:47, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work. Thanks for the screen used guns from [[We Were Soldiers]] too. Long Mountain Outfitters must be getting jealous.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 04:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==Virus==
Nice job on ''[[Virus]]''. Here's something you might want to point out on your page:
[[Image:Virus-MPIAK74NK RunA.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The mock MPI-74NK from ''[[Virus]]'']]
Now compare to these images from ''[[Seven Days]]'' (1.11 - "HAARP Attack"):

[[Image:Vlcsnap-00077.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-00078.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-00081.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Coincidence? I think not. ;) I remember this weapon also appeared in an episode of ''[[JAG]]''; I believe it was originally Mike Gibbons' gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:08, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting email I recieved==
I recieved an interesting email today in regards to deleting a duplicate image of an [[RKG-3 anti-tank grenade]], filename 'RKG-3 GRENADE REPLICA.jpg' and I thought I should share it to see what you and the other senior admins think of it. Below is the bulk of the message in its entirety:

"Hello,

Thank you for the image update on IMFDB, we didn’t load those images originally due to copyright issues and chose to use an image from our company website instead. Any questions you have regarding ordnance or weapons feel free to send an email. Thank you and any questions, please do not hesitate to let me know.

Sincerely,

M. Patrick Jordan
Sales and Logistics

INERT PRODUCTS, LLC.
INERT EXPLOSIVE TRAINING PRODUCTS
Email - Sales@Inertproducts.com
Phone: 1-570-341-3751
Fax: 570-300 -1693
http://www.inertproducts.com"

If I'm interpreting this correctly, it sounds like someone uploaded a copyrighted image without permission and the owners of the image emailed me to thank me for removing it. What do you think? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 18:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==Re: Inert ordnance==
I was contacted by him on AIM not long ago; he's the person who uploaded the picture I removed. Apparently he uploaded it not realizing we already had a picture of that weapon. He's a pretty cool guy; served as an EOD in the Army prior to retiring. He's here under [[User:MPJOrdTech]]. Good to have yet another expert to add to our stable of professionals. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:24, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== Enfield Mk II revolver ==
I sure don't have any (non) jacked images. Wish I did. However Nyles might be a good resource. Not only is he an old gun collector with connections, but he's Canadian and the Mk II was issued to the Mounties so there might be several up north that can be photographed. Who was the armoer for [[Silverado]] ? That movie was filmed in 84 in New Mexico and John Cleese used one. Could that be a possible connection? Or did you already think of that? Anyway that's all I have for ideas. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

==Hudson AK-47 replica==
Thanks for the info, but are you sure those are the .22 AK clones? I saw one of those up-close once, and the one I saw had a less-curved magazine (almost shaped like a Norinco Type 84 mag). I can't remember what brand it was, but I think the receiver said that it was imported by Mitchell Arms. Also, haven't the Hudson AK-47s' manufacturing specs been changed a whole bunch of times? The ones that they made in the 1980s look quite different from the ones they make today (I've seen pictures of those, too). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:44, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Film Template page ==

I think with the poster line at the top, it makes the table of contents go all the way below the poster. With the way it's put on [[The American]] (which is one of the pages I started), I prefer having the top of the poster aligned with the table of contents. But that's just my preference. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pictures Question ==
I was wondering, are you still closed to gun picture requests? I was asking because I was wondering if it would be possible to get a picture of an M16A4 with an M203 grenade launcher, as there are several articles (namely ''[[Legion]]'' and ''[[Project Reality]]'', to name a couple) that could benefit from such an image. I hope to hear from you soon on this, and wish you well. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Zastava pictures ==
Can you block this guy and delete the unnecessary Zastava pictures that he uploaded.
[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Boksi]
--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 08:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Limited Time offer==

Hey, MPM! First off, I'm on a pretty busy trip to the capital city right now (my first as a lobbyist), but thanks for making this offer. Right now, I'm pretty tired, so I can't really think of what I'd love to see on the site. But off the top of my head - can you see if anyone has a [[Daewoo K3]], especially a Paratrooper model? I ''think'' Mike Gibbons used to have a few of them, but not sure. Also, since ''[[Predators]]'' is out in theaters now (saw it recently, BTW), do you know who has the screen-used guns from that movie? I'm sure I'll think of ''lots'' more later, but those will do for now, LOL. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:Oh, and one other thing: Do you know anybody who has a Knight's Armament Revolver Rifle? I've been searching in vain to find a good picture of one of those. They're pretty rare. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Hmmm, I'm stumped. I can tell you that in some of the screencaps, it's a SIG Non-Gun. But a few of the images show a gun that looks like a Taurus PT945, yet the cocking serrations are too tall, so I don't think that's what it is. I'm really not sure, gonna have to look some more. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==RE: M3 carbine Pic==
I thought before that Kin93 was replacing your pic without permission since that all of your firearm images are taken from a real armory until you told me that yours was a fixed image of someone's image :) - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Invasion USA ==

I don't know if you're still working on this one, I added a few screenshots to [[Invasion U.S.A. (1985)]]. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

== In reply to "You're gone I hear" ==

Hi, hope you are doing well. Probably you have gone through [[User:SB2296|SB2296]]'s talk page.

Yes you are right, this American site does not has to somehow change to suit my view of the world. Well you can have your American site. Neither I wanted this site to comply with my worldview, nor to start an argument with you. I just had a doubt. As far as I can recall, I have never claimed that IMFDB's '''I''' stands for '''INTERNATIONAL'''. May be you are right that the DEMAND made it INTERNATIONAL. But again, people from other part of the world could easily misinterpret this as nothing was mentioned regarding its STRICTLY American nature. It is quite difficult for a non-American to understand that '''Internet''' Movie Firearms '''Data Base''' '''is restricted to America'''.

You are talking about '''WORLDVIEW'''.
What world view can describe the '''obscureness''' of the film [[New York]]? see: '''22:39, 1 November 2009 AdAstra2009's comment''' here: [[http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Wallpaper&action=history]]. Irrespective of the fact that the page has clear screen caps and well researched, it is obscure. I can understand that wallpaper was removed as it was not in a typical desktop res but whats wrong with the film? 'high and mighty Americans' (your words, not mine) perhaps can answer this.

And last but not the least, You get revenue because people voluntarily contribute. Even my SUCKED UP pages give you revenue, no matter how small, but they still do so. If you think those pages are realy sucked up, please delete them (including all the foreign pages which does not meet quality standards). But please dont think in your mind that why foreign pages are left halfway finished.

Thanks. [[User:Ritwikbmca|ritwikbmca]] 17:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Talk:Index.php==
I'm thinking we should recreate that page and protect it, so only admins can touch it. I had delete it twice this morning in a short period of time.

I watched the preview for The Walking Dead a few days ago. Looks pretty good, reminds me of cross between 28 Days Later (waking up in a hospital) and The Crazies (sheriff). --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

==re:Russian Spammer==
Yeah I kind of figured it was spammer. If they're in a foreign language they usually are. Another thing I noticed, once a spammer hits a talk page, they'll keep on that same page until the protection level is changed. This one talk page got spammed three times before I wised up. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Front paging ==

I was wondering who of the Admins is responsible for the front page featuring of articles. People put so much work into the [[Stargate SG-1|SG-1]] Article over the past few months, I personally thing that it is quite presentable by now. If the one responsible needs any help with picking caps for the FP, feel free to ask me :P --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== What are your views on getting this page deleted ==
[["Seburo Firearms"]] I mean really, they are completely fake. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 01:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Wiki ==

Hey MPM2008, I'm not sure if you knew this but I have spotted a bunch of your images being used on the Zombie Wiki here: [http://zombie.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons]. I not sure if you gave them permission to use the images, but the way the images are viewed won't allow me to see who uploaded them. Just wanted to make sure you knew about it.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 01:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
:I checked it out and they give just give credit for the pictures '''to IMFDB just in general'''. I'm not sure if You're okay with just that, but I just thought I would check it out. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 19:47, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Titanic (1997)

2010-09-06T03:52:16Z

Kilgore: /* what gun they should have put in to be accurate */

==NAA Revolver==
Fluting looks too large for an NAA

==M1911==
:They ought to have picked a Colt 1903 instead of a M1911-S&Wshoooter

::Yeah, I never thought we would ever have to deal with a movie where the M1911 was an anachronism. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 17:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

==what gun they should have put in to be accurate==
They should have the [[Colt Model 1903/1908|Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless]] or the [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] in Titanic or the [[Winchester Model 1897]] to be accurate.
- [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 03:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:Why would they use a Winchester 1897, there were no shotguns in the film?
::Sorry about that. Also, I believe that the M1911 is in the film to show off Cal's wealth and it could be possible that Cal purchased an M1911 prototype at a high price and put a nickel finish on it. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:54, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
They could have used one of the early Colt pistols that were the precursors to the 1911, like the Colt Model 1900 or 1902.
:::You may be right, but the hammer spur and the slide gives away what it is.

How about just any gun made before 1911? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:16, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
::Good idea. They should of not picked the M1911 even though one year after the production of the pistol doesn't make a difference. Of course, they should pick any gun made before 1911, such as flintlock pistols collected from the early 1800s and revolvers and such. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:43, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

About the hammer. It could have been a regular M1911 hammer and (please forgive me for I'm about to say) they could have taken a grinded it down with a belt-sander. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 03:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==Remington==
I googled the Remington mini-revolver but was not able to find what caliber it was made in. I would assume .22 short/long/long rifle but am not sure.

Talk:Fallout: New Vegas

2010-09-05T00:42:14Z

Kilgore: /* Varmint Rifle */

Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher

The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg. David.

==Chey Tac Intervention?==

doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)

It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's a PGM Hecate II

Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?

==Grenade Rifle==

Yo, the "Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle" is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called "grenade rifle" or something

:Seriously, can't they just call it a "grenade launcher"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher

:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.

== Something from E3 ==

I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Weapon Degneration ==

I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game. That really sucked in Fallout 3. I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally

also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction

I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.

:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too. Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.

What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.

In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== 1887 ==

That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.

-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870

Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.

-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.

Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Varmint Rifle ==
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3

Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/Round.jpg
See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a 5.56x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Maybe it was supposed to be a 32 caliber rifle ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I would agree except it shares ammo with the .32 revolver. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

And of course the die hard fans on the Fallout Wiki keep telling me that the shell size doesn't matter. Game developers are lazy bastards... and so are some of their idiot fanboys.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.4|184.35.20.4]] 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The little queers at the Fallout wikia keep whining "Until the programers say what it is, it ain't [Insert Weapon Name Here]. They can't tell that the "Semi-Auto Rifle" is an M1 Garand because their a bunch of mega-nerds who live in their mother's basement. Look at pictures of them side-by-side and you can tell it's an M1 Garand. Anybody who says that will be flaged as a "FANBOY!" - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:M1 Carbine

2010-09-03T20:58:38Z

Kilgore:

THRUSH CARBINE Built by Sologuns

http://www.yourprops.com/THRUSH-Rifle-other-replicas-movie-props-Man-from-U-N-C-L-E---The--TV---1964--prop-33705.html

== New version of M3 carbine Image ==

[[Image:M3_carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 Carbine .30 Carbine ]]

--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 12:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

:Dear Lord, what were they on when they thought this thing up, acid? PCP? Crack? I mean who would not look at this and go, "What the Hell do You do with this thing, guide airplanes?" Why would the U.S. Military take this seriously for even half-a-second? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, and you're using modern sensibilities in your comment. ;) Pal, this is 1940s technology! LOL! Of course it's ungainly, clunky and really ugly. When the powers that be try to create new things, a lot of them will be epic fail. The IR sniper sighting system for this rifle, however, was the basis for newer and newer night vision devices throughout the decades. Ever saw what the first CARS were like, before the Model T?[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
::I understand. A few years ago I found an M1 Garand with this kind of scope mounted to it (it was from the late 50's and both the rifle and scope were beat to hell).

User talk:Swordfish941

2010-09-03T20:30:34Z

Kilgore: Removed My Comment. Sorry for Misunderstanding

==The Professionals Request==
You may not have noticed that MPM isn't taking requests right now. I'm sure he will again eventually but until he starts accepting requests again, I don't recommend asking him for new gun pics. Besides, you're asking a pretty big favor. Just picture trying to put parts of an Ithaca, Remington, and MP40 together. These certainly aren't built to mix and match and it isn't like he's got nothing but time. Keep the requests small, he's a busy guy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Okay ... for now small requests - Swordfish941

I want more stuff added to my Talk Page! - Swordfish941

== Smith & Wesson Pictures ==

Thanks for the compliments. Working on imfdb like me, unfortunately I have difficulty writing in English because I'm foreign. I know read it and listen but not speak and do not write well. I know that my English is bad but I not live in a country where people are speaking English. I'm looking for someone to correct my description before publishing the pages. However, all users can change what I wrote. [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]

==The Outsiders==
I read it, then immediately vowed to never do it again-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::What do you mean you would never do it agian? It's a good book! - Swordfish941

==Thanks for your note :)==
I've been working for months trying to replace pirated gun images on IMFDB, only to have some members continue to jack them from all over the web and dump them on the site. But you are right, being that there is a movie/tv entry that has that configuration it is not unreasonable to have a 'place holder' pic until we can get our own. We've just had members in the past, who grab every conceivable variation, no matter how bizarre or unlikely on the web and dumps dozens and dozens of strange gun images on IMFDB, and the mods have been trying to control that. :) however a one-off variant showing up usually doesn't have the image on the Remington Page. I will install Pachmayr vindicator grips on a 870 and photograph it so that we can have our own image for the Kill point page, also the version will be identical to the one seen on screen. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

== Another JC Devine browser, eh? ==
Let's see if we can out-update each other, it will be good for the site, I'm sure. ;)-protoAuthor 01:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

==K3B==

That's actually the wrong kind of K3B for ''[[Driven To Kill]]''. Seagal's weapon in that movie is one of the flattop models with a stepped barrel. The only difference between his gun and a standard M4 is that the older K3Bs (he has one of the older ones) have a flattop receiver with an older-style Weaver rail. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the correction. I'll try to find one of those models. - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]

:I dunno if you can. I tried to find one for a while (I also looked for an older K23B like the one from ''[[Reindeer Games]]'', which has the same type of flattop receiver), and no success. Also, I forgot to mention that the older K3Bs came standard with the "Stowaway" pistol grip (the newer ones don't have that anymore). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:M1 Carbine

2010-09-02T02:27:45Z

Kilgore:

User talk:Swordfish941

2010-08-29T18:04:01Z

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Talk:Fallout: New Vegas

2010-08-25T22:24:30Z

Kilgore: /* 1887 */

Talk:Beretta 92 pistol series

2010-08-22T05:58:56Z

Kilgore:

==Correction==
The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy.
:Well your correction was wrong. Have you even looked at the page? Here is a screencap. That's definitely a Beretta, it sometimes switches to a PT92 in certain scenes. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BSBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be."]]

==Curious Question==
The Beretta Centurion, is it simply a 92FS with a shortened barrel? Or is there something else I'm missing?

It's essentially got the Compact's barrel and slide, the normal sized frame, and a slightly shorter dust cover that doesn't really fit into either other category. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

==Just a reminder==

When you talk about the Beretta 92F or 92FS, it is not spelled "M92F" (as this page is titled), "M92FS", or even "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". It's just Beretta 92F or Beretta 92FS, exactly as I have just spelled it. If you see a page with the older (mis)spelling, please do not hesitate to correct it.

And considering that this page has grown to include all of the 92 variants (including the SB, Brigadier, Centurion, etc.), it might be time to rename it. I would recommend re-titling the page "Beretta 92-series pistols". Anyone else agree? [[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==...==

Why not have more info on the 93R? Give it its own page?

I propose the following info 9 (and an image if possible; how do I place/upload images here anyway?)

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The '''[[Beretta 93R]]''' (full name: '''Beretta Model 93R''') is a selective-fire [[9mm]] machine pistol. The "R" stands for "Raffica" which means burst in Italian. It was designed in the 70s and meant for police and military use, offering extra firepower in a small package. It is perfect for concealed carry purposes such as VIP protection, or for close quarters fighting such as room-to-room searches.

A selector switch and the foldable foregrip allows the pistol to fire three round bursts with each pull of the trigger for a potential cyclic rate of 1100 rpm. The designers limited it to three round bursts to allow it to be more easily controlled. The 93R is basically a Beretta 92 series pistol (the Beretta [[92FS]] is designated '''"[[M9 Pistol]] M9"''' by the US military, and is the standard issue pistol for the US military). But the 93R is single action and outfitted with a muzzle brake, an optional detachable shoulder stock and a 20-round magazine that also allowed for a firmer grip. It is currently out of production.

The gun has been used in several movies:

* [[Face/Off]] a 1997 action movie starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and directed by John Woo.

* [[Equilibrium]] a 2002 action/science fiction film written and directed by Kurt Wimmer with Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Christian Kahrmann, Emily Watson and Sean Bean.

==Title change==
I hope no one minds that I changed the page name, "pistol series" matches more of the titles on other pages and is easier to remember than "Series Pistols". Agreed? -GM

==Why separate INOX?==
I was just wondering if there were any technical differences between the 92FS and the INOX, other than the slide being stainless.

:Good question. Only because there are so many movies featuring the 92F Inox that if we didn't separate it from the regular 92F, we'd have to put notes about "Inox finish" in parentheses near each. Whereas most of the other Berettas with Inox finishes don't appear in nearly as many movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

What happened to the other Inox pic that was posted a few days ago? Could you send it to me, please? - [[User:Taurus96]]

==I hate this pistol==
: I wish this gun wasn't used in Die Hard, just because it is unworthy of all the popularity it has gained because of it. This gun is like a supermodel- it's just skating by on its looks but is horrible in reality-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::But alot of supermodels are hot!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: They're also fucktarded-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ Smith. You hate everything. Tell me, what YOU don't hate?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:: S&W, Browning, FN, Walther, Mauser and all the shit on my page-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:09, 26 June 2009
(UTC)
:::I hoped you would say Vests but i'm left dissapointed. But well, at least you like FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Vests?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::You never played Left 4 Dead didn't you?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:My computer sucks and all my $ is going towards an L1A1-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:32, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, in Left 4 Dead, there is an character called Francis who is a Biker. And he hates everything. Then another guy comes up to him and asks something like, "Francis, what don't you hate?" and Francis goes, "Well, i don't hate vests.". That's you Smith. You are Francis. Because you hate everything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: Bitchin'. I like jackets better though-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Jackets are always better than vests.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: The sleeves prevent zombies from biting chunks out of your arms-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Let's not derail this discussion, shall we? Let's keep talking about why or why not the M92 doesn't suck ass from an straw. Ok?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: Because it's finicky and breaks easily-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Um, I'm not sure why you hate the 92F so much, especially since you claim to like Beretta's other pistols. I have quite a bit of experience with the 92F and the Taurus PT92 (which I used to own) and I think it's an excellent pistol. Also, the 92F's appearance in movies isn't just due to its looks - as we've discussed in the forum, armorers like the 92F because it's one of the easiest pistols to convert to blank-fire. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:Because it an ammo picky, fragile sonuvabitch is why-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Technically, so are Glocks. No reloads, no unjacketed cartridges etc. --[[User:Phil|Phil]] 01:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

:::I've run into few pistols that ''aren't'' at least somewhat ammo picky. My S&W 4506 is extremely unreliable with our own reloads (to be fair, my Dad and I weren't really sure how to make good ones for a while) and with most other types of factory-reloaded ammo we've run through it. My Taurus PT92, in comparison, was actually far less prone to stovepiping with reloaded ammo. Also, if you like Walther, what do you think of just about every gun that they've made since the PP series? Based on my own experience, Walther has basically sucked for the last 50-something years. Even the later-generation PPKs are crap compared to the earlier models. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:My P22 jams all the damn time, so I know exactly what your talking about-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I still don't understand why you hate the 92 models, Smith. I've read your page, and yet it doesn't seem logical to me. I mean, all the Beretta 92 variants, and the Taurus PT92 that my uncle owns, were very good pistols. The open ejection port keeps it from jamming most of the time, and it's actually very accurate. I mean, the locking block is specifically designed to be accurate, and it does a great job. If you dislike it simply because of the 9x19mm bullets, then remember, it also comes in .40 S&W (technically, that's the 96 series, but it's still the same design). Personally, 9x19mm is perfect, unless you're trying to take down some sort of large, dangerous animal, or a man doped up on painkillers. It has barely noticeable recoil, which only increases the accuracy of the gun. While it may not have the stopping power of a .45 or other larger calibers, it doesn't really need it. In most scenarios, a double tap to the chest and then a shot to the head, just to be sure, is all that's needed. I could understand if you didn't like it simply because it's a very popular gun in movies, but disliking it because you claim that it's inaccurate and that it jams easily just isn't logical, seeing as it is in fact accurate and not at all prone to jamming. If you want an inaccurate pistol, try the M1911. And as to the gun being very easy to break, you shouldn't take your facts from S.T.A.L.K.E.R: Shadow of Chernobyl.

Also, on a completely unrelated note, Smith, have you read any Ayn Rand, such as Atlas Shrugged?[[User:Acora|Acora]] 11:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I dont think 9mms are so bad. I'm Australian and we use a 9mm Browning hi power, which is a very compotent military gun. I dont like the m9's reliability, though. [[User:Mcguinness]]

I've been very doubtful of 9mm ever since the US Army ditched the M1911A1 for the M9, but after owning one myself, I have to say it's an nice-looking pistol, but it's not as good as everyone says it is. I still can't believe the US Armed Forces replaced the M1911A1 for this piece of junk. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 17:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

== Movie pistol ==

Personally, I've never fired this gun in my life, so I can't comment on it's performance (although I'm guessing its at the very least a decent gun: why else would the military use it?). But it seems like 90% of all movies today (at least movies with directors that don't know much about guns) always features a Beretta 92FS, especially used by cops (excluding movies featuring the LAPD because that's what they really use). The point I'm trying to make is that ever since it became famous from ''Lethal Weapon'' and ''Die Hard'', the Beretta has become the default Hollywood movie pistol. If ever a Hollywood movie needs some random gun, and they don't know anything about guns, they seem to always use a Beretta, whether its used by some extra or by the main character. Just thought I'd express my thoughts. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

:''It's recognizable. That's it. The Beretta 92FS is to movies today what Colt Single Action Army pistols and the like were to the westerns of the 50's and 60's, and the Thompson was and is to pretty much every gangster-oriented movie ever made.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

::The appearance is a big part of it, but less so nowadays, because the 92F is an aging design and doesn't have quite the same sexiness that it did in the 1980s and 90s. The 92F is the "default" Hollywood 9mm pistol because it has a reputation for being one of the most reliable guns when converted to blank-fire. The open-top slide and barrel assembly requires much less effort to convert to blank-fire than most other short-recoil semi-auto pistols, because there is no lock-up to remove. So propmasters and armorers continue to use them heavily because of their reputation as a good blank gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Well that would certainly explain it. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

::::I would like to complement the contributors to this section for a far more insightful discussion than the one above.
:It's more insightful because the one above is biased and full of opinion-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:14, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

::Thank you. I appreciate that. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 01:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:At least I admit it when I get carried away-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

:In regards to the comment about random police officers seen using this weapon, I agree fully with the position that the weapon is overused and out of place when it comes to many characters in law enforcement. I find it especially egregious when the weapon is seen in the hands of NYPD officers (such as in the entire Spider Man series) and FBI agents, both of whom to my knowledge never used this pistol in large numbers. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::Seeing the Beretta in ''Spiderman'' was really annoying. It wasn't like in ''Lethal Weapon'' where it was synonomous with the main character, it was just used by some extras as the fallback choice of firearm. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately, in the movie industry, simplicity often comes before realism. It would be great if the Glock had been used in Spiderman, since it's the standard issue firearm for the NYPD, and if armorers would do some research and have any police officers in their films using the correct on-duty sidearms for their department, but unfortunately, the Beretta is easy to convert, and therefore is used more often, even when it wouldn't be realistic for the character to have it.

:::: ''if armorers would do some research and have any police officers in their films using the correct on-duty sidearms for their department''

::::If you ever said this to any of the armorers who are IMFDB members, they'd tear you a new one. Most armorers ''know'' that the NYPD doesn't issue Beretta 92Fs; they probably wouldn't qualify to become armorers if they didn't know something like that off the top of their head. It's the ''director'' who gets final call on the guns. Plenty of the armorers here will tell you that they've been forced by directors to put certain guns in movies or TV shows, even though they know that the gun in question would never be used by the character in real life. They have no creative control over the guns used; their job is safety, gun maintenance, and (sometimes) training the actors to use the weapons. Everything else is up to the director, or someone else who's far higher-up. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Die Hard and Lethal Weapon==
I've looked at a few of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon pages, and there seems to be some confusion about which of the two Berettas on this site was used in each film. So, for future reference: which Berettas were used in the Die Hard films and the Lethal Weapon films? I'll put them up. Thanks. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg‎ |thumb|350px|none|]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS DH1&LW1.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|]]

:What the Beretta page says is pretty much accurate. The first gun was used in both the first ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''. See how it has a custom extended slide release (due to Willis being a leftie)? In ''[[Die Hard]]'', there are plenty of scenes where it's possible to see that same extension on the slide release (most notably, during the scene where McClane is about to wander through the shattered glass). The second gun was used in the other three ''Die Hard'' movies and ''[[Demoliton Man]]''.

:Also, I don't know why people keep putting the ''[[Die Hard]]'' Beretta on other pages for movies which didn't feature that '''particular''' gun. It should only be used for pages on movies in which it's actually appeared, no more. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok, so the first one was in the first ''Die Hard'' and the first ''Lethal Weapon'', while the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?

::It's interesting how the ''Lethal Weapon'' pistol was the same one from ''Die Hard''. Obviously it was modified for Bruce Willis to use, but didn't ''Lethal Weapon'' come out a year prior to ''Die Hard''?

::As far as using the ''Die Hard'' image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from ''Die Hard'' is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site. Thanks for your help, MT. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, the Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon was different from in the subsequent films because it had a gold Beretta logo on the grips instead of the black one that matches the grips on the Berettas shown here. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::''the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?''

::::I'm not really sure. When MoviePropMaster took the pictures of these guns, he said he may have got confused what movies they appeared in. But here is a picture of the second Beretta (and its "stunt double") in their display case at Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry:

::::[[Image:DisplayCase01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::::You can see that the label next to the gun only mentions ''Die Hard II'' and ''Demolition Man'' as its movie appearances. But MPM '''did''' say he was specifically told that they also brought this Beretta out of "retirement" from the glass case so that it could have a cameo appearance in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' (as we mentioned on the page for that movie). I'm not sure if it was in ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'', but that strikes me as unlikely because that movie was filmed in New York and a different armory supplied the weapons for it. I'm also not sure if it was in any of the other ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' movies or not. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::''As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site.''

::::Hmmm, to me, that's kind of stupid because there is so little difference between the 92F and 92FS. Not to mention that it's rather hard to be sure when one or the other is being used (the 92FS replaced the 92F in production very quickly, after all). But I would prefer that the ''[[Die Hard]]''/''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' Beretta only be used on pages for movies in which it actually appears. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::::I think they do this to movies that featured the Beretta that were made in the 80s. If I'm not mistaken, the Beretta 92FS came out in 1990, so they probably think it would be inaccurate to post a picture of the 92FS when the movie obviously used a 92F. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well that's all a moot point. I Just uploaded two shots of early Beretta 92Fs which can be used generically as opposed to the hero movie guns. Thank you thank you thank you, just leave a tip in the jar........ [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

MPM2008, you deserve a cookie. I have replaced the 92FS image and the Die Hard 92F in a few 80's films. But what is the best year to stop using the 92F? Lethal Weapon 2 came out in '89 and Die Hard 2 '90, they both feature the 92FS. Anything prior to '88? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:The 92FS actually came out in either late 1988/early 1989, so these guns were purchased IMMEDIATELY and used right away, which is rare unless it's a hot and 'hip/trendy' gun like the 92. Prior to 1989 there ARE no 92FS guns. PRior to 1983 there are no 92F guns (The ones in 1983 were actually 92SB-F guns which were the same weapon. There is NO stop use date for the 92F or even the 92S/92SB guns. As you've seen people still grab them from inventory as recently as now in films. Just because the Walther P38 technically stopped production at the end of WW2 (Walther's post war versions were actually named differently) we still see the P38 in films for the past 65 years. So in essence we're just taking a wild guess. The only things we can be sure of is when they are NOT being used (i.e. the year of production is too early for the model to have been sold). But any gun of any age can be used at any time. When in doubt and it looks the same, opt for the 92FS from 1990 on unless you can get a really good look at the shiny grips, then it's a 92F. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome work on the new Beretta 92F pictures, MPM2008, they look great!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I get what you mean about the 92F still being used today. But like you said unless you can really see the shiny grips or have a really great shot of the slide. You pretty much have to go when the film was made. I haven't handled that many Beretta's I didn't even notice the grips being different F shiny vs FS flat.
Here is a pic of my 92F. While the grips look flat, they're shiny it is just my crappy photo skills.
[[Image:PRE20-BER92F.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Also wouldn't a history timeline of the changes on the 92 be a good thing for the page? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

==TEST==

original list
* [[Will Smith]] as Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville in ''[[I Am Legend]]''

* [[Mykelti Williamson]] as Sgt. Drucker in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Liam Neeson]] as Bryan Mills in ''[[Taken]]''

* Undercover Officers in ''[[La Haine]]''

* [[Richard Grieco]] as Michael Corben(Promotional shots) and Pierre in ''[[Teen Agent]]''

* Assassins in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' (fitted with suppressors)

* [[Jason Bose Smith]] as Little Henry, a carjacker, and LAPD officers in ''[[American History X]]''

* U.S. Army Rangers in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]''

* [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] as Connor MacManus, [[Norman Reedus]] as Murphy MacManus, and [[David Della Rocco]] as Rocco ("the Funny Man") in ''[[The Boondock Saints]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Supremacy]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Ultimatum]]''

* [[Diego Sandoval]] as ''Empty Gun Man'' in ''[[Desperado]]'' (fitted with suppressor)

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Lt. John McClane in the ''[[Die Hard]]'' series

* An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer, [[Alan Rickman]] as Hans Gruber, and [[Alexander Godunov]] as Karl in ''[[Die Hard]]''

* [[Nicolas Cage]] as Castor Troy and [[Dominique Swain]] as Jamie Archer in ''[[Face/Off]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as Jack Carter in ''[[Get Carter (2001)|Get Carter]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Tequila Yuen and [[Tony Leung]] as Alan in ''[[Hard Boiled]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Mark Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Waise Lee]] as Shing, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, and Triad gang members in ''[[A Better Tomorrow]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ken Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, [[Dean Shek]] as Lung Si, [[Fui-On Shing]] as Ko's Right Hand Man, [[Ming Yan Lung]] as Chong, [[Shan Kwan]] as Ko Ying Pui, and others in ''[[A Better Tomorrow II]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ah Jong in ''[[The Killer]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as John Lee in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Detective Nick Chen in ''[[The Corruptor]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Josh Hartnett]] as Detective K.C. Calden in ''[[Hollywood Homicide]]''

* [[Kim Bodnia]] as Harald in ''[[In China They Eat Dogs]]''

* [[Adam Baldwin]] as Major Mitchell, U.S. military and Secret Service personnel in ''[[Independence Day]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Jarhead]]''

* [[Mel Gibson]] as Detective Martin Riggs in the ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' series ''(fitted with a laser sight in [[Lethal Weapon 4]])''

* L.A.P.D. officers and [[Rene Russo]] as Sergeant Lorna Cole in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Leon in ''[[Leon (The Professional)]]''(Customized with Compensators and Silencers)

* [[Jared Leto]] as Vitaly Orlov in ''[[Lord of War]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as DEA Agent Sean Vetter and [[Larenz Tate]] as DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks in ''[[A Man Apart]]''

* [[Keanu Reeves]] as Neo in ''[[The Matrix]]'' and in ''[[The Matrix Revolutions]]''

* FBI Agents and [[Jackie Chan]] as Chief Inspector Lee in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Dennis Quaid]] as Guy and [[Stellan Skarsgard]] as Peter Dominic in ''[[Savior]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[The Siege]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* L.A.P.D. patrol officers and one of Montel's cronies in ''[[S.W.A.T.]]'' ''(the latter being fitted with a silencer)''

* [[Robert Patrick]] as the T-1000 in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''

* [[Kristanna Loken]] as the T-X in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Three Kings]]''

* [[Ethan Hawke]] as Officer Jake Hoyt in ''[[Training Day]]''

* [[Kate Beckinsale]] as Selene in ''[[Underworld]]'' (fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto)

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Volcano]]''

* N.S.A. agent posing as a robber at the 'diner' in ''[[xXx]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[X-Men]]''

* [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] as Cisco in ''[[The Big Hit]]''

* U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S., [[Sean Connery]] as John Patrick Mason, and [[Nicolas Cage]] as FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed in ''[[The Rock]]'' (Connery and Cage using one fitted with a tactical flashlight)

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Lions for Lambs]]''

* [[Mark Wahlberg]] as Bob Lee Swagger in ''[[Shooter]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as John Spartan in ''[[Demolition Man]]''

* [[Jet Li]] as Gabriel Law in ''[[The One]]''.

* [[Steven Seagal]] as Nico Toscani in ''[[Above the Law]]''

* Police in ''[[Vantage Point]]''

* [[Steve Carell]] as Agent 86 in ''[[Get Smart]]''

* [[Scott Caan]] as Jones in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* Japanese soldiers in ''[[Battle Royale II: Requiem]]''

* [[Martin Lawrence]] as Miles Logan in''[[Blue Streak]]''

* [[Elizabeth Banks]] as Starla Grant in ''[[Slither]]''

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* [[Tom Cruise]] as Ethan Hunt in ''[[Mission: Impossible 3]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Behind Enemy Lines]]''

* Rookie Kincaid in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* [[Clive Owen]] as Louis Salinger in [[The International]]

* Minneapolis P.D. officers in ''[[Jingle All the Way]]''

* ''[[The Day the Earth Stood Still]]'' (2008)

* Omar in ''[[Traitor]]''

* Mace in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* An assassin in ''[[The Sentinel]]'', fitted with a suppressor.

* Detectives Curtis and Anderson in ''[[Unknown]]''

* Truck driver in ''[[Dreamcatcher]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]''

* [[Andy Whitfield]] as Gabriel in ''[[Gabriel]]'' (dual-wielded with silencers)

* The corrupt police officers hired by Dominic Greene in ''[[Quantum of Solace]]''

* Kansas City Police officers and detectives in ''[[Mad Money]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Chev Chelios, [[Art Hsu]] as Johnny Vang, and LAPD officers in ''[[Crank: High Voltage]]''

* A member of the french national police in ''[[MR 73]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Courage Under Fire]]''

* [[Esai Morales]] as Staff Sergeant Stern in ''[[In the Army Now]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Sheriff Pangborn in ''[[Needful Things]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Frankie in ''[[State of Grace]]''

* [[Tengiz Borisoff]] as Josip Barada in ''[[Red Heat]]''

* [[Sue Price]] as Alex Sinclair in ''[[Nemesis 2: Nebula]], [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] and [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]]''

* [[Barry Pepper]] as Mike Norton in ''[[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The]]''

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Frank Falenczyk in ''[[You Kill Me]]

* [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] as Victor Bagrov in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]]

* American cops in [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]]

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Xavier Fitch and [[Michael Madsen]] as Preston Lennox in ''[[Species]]''

* [[Larry B. Scott]] as Sgt. Charles Biddle in ''[[ Extreme Prejudice]]'' (1987)

* FBI Agents in ''[[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]]'' (continuity error)

==Distinction==
What exactly is the distinction between the Beretta 92F and the 92FS?
:The FS models have a slide retention device on the frame. Here is a pic showing the slide differences. The FS on top, F on the bottom. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Slide.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Variantons we don't have ==

We are lacking:

Beretta 92A1: 17 round mag, and a Picattiny-Similar rail under the barrel

Beretta 96A1: Same as above but is chambered in .40 S&W and haves a 12 round mag

Beretta 92FS type M9A1: Basically a civilian M9A1 --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 01:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

:Unless those weapons have appeared in any movies or TV shows, I'm not sure we need them on this page. Our goal is to document what appears in movies, not to make a comprehensive list of every variant that Beretta has ever made. As a general guideline, we don't add variants/pictures to a page if we have no evidence that they've appeared in any media. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 00:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Custom Grips? ==

I'm in the process of customizing my Beretta, and I've found something that I really like, but I don't know the name of the product. It's the kind of grip in the picture used for the Brigadier Inox, and similarly seen in this image here: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fP72_yZL4Yk/Sseqpb4zlsI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/1IvokqYHl30/s800/DSC_1636.jpg though I'm not sure they're the same brand of grips. Either way, though, does anyone know a company that sells grips like these for the 92FS? Hopefully at a relatively low price? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Those look like Hogue grips. They are pretty common. Fairly inexpensive too. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== Could be better ==

I just personally think "why would they not do that?" Like getting rid of the rounded trigger guard, or not giving it a M1911A1 style safety. Not to mention they could add about half of an inch to the barrel. I have never been able to find someone who would customize my old 92F, half the time the telling after I told them what I wanted, they would say, "It can't be done." Of course, being I'm stubborn as hell, I kept looking until I just gave up. Are these custom features too much or just can't happen except in my dreams? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 05:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

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==Question==
There are many movies, based on comic books. Usually they are very specicific kind of movie. Can i do the category "Comics", or "Comics Based". I think it's a special genre, like [[Category:Drama|Drama]] or [[Category:Thriller|Thriller]] and it also will help users in navigation, i think. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I think that would be okay, graphic novel based stuff like Watchmen and Sin City can be included in that too.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::::You had better check with the OTHER mods about this. We are constantly fighting members trying to layer tons and tons of more complexity to IMFDB. We are sorely in need of completing what we already have. This is not a pressing issue and I am not fond of more Categories (I think we have too many already). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
:: And also [[A History of Violence]] and [[Road to Perdition]], though aren't many people know that this movies are based on graphic novels. Oh, and "Sin City" is not the graphic novel. It's series. :) --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 18:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:- Not that my say means anything, but it sounds cool by me. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::It is better to make that notation on the PAGES themselves, unless there is a compelling reason otherwise. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::: Many pages have such notation. The thing is to find all the movies based on comics i need to search very hard through the site, while [[:Category:HBO|HBO movies and series]] (they're mostly all good) can be found easily, though HBO's not a genre at all. I mean, i think i'm not a sole comic geek here and this category actually can be USEFUL to someone, help making site more popular in comic geek society. I also wanted to create "superhero" category, but, OK, "comics based" is all i want now. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 09:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Oh, and another question==
Just watched very interesting commercial. Directed by [[Sam Raimi]] it's actually spoofing [[Desperado]]. There are guns, including [[Remington 1866 Derringer]], one of my personal favoties, i can recognize it everywhere. There's also [[John Saxon]] here. Can i do a page about this commercial? Also, if more global, can commercials and music videos be here, as they also media, like video games and movies. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know about that. That's getting too much out of scope, I think. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::NO Commercials, NO Music Videos. There are tons of commercials that play only in Europe or Asia and we can't verify any of that info here. For one thing, you can't BUY or rent the DVDs of television commercials and (the vast majority of) Music videos to screencap them, or more importantly, confirm the veracity of said pages. Yes, chances are you can find a (usually low rez version) on the Internet, but really, do people wonder about the guns in either of those types of visual media? If we include ALL visual media, then we would be forced to accept news broadcasts, documentaries, industrial or training videos, etc. etc. and veer farther from the central theme of being the MOVIE firearms database. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::: You wrong actually - there are tons of DVD and festivals, that show commercials. And you can verify them via youtube Though, never mind. But can i do the thing on [[Sam Raimi]] page as a bonus like "Other Works" on YouTube. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 09:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

==Request: High Heels & Low Lifes==
While kinda chick-flick-ish, it's still a highly entertaining movie.. and has some really nice looking firearms. There is a scene where one of the main characters, Mason, is standing in the doorway of a darkened apartment, turns to face (three quarters) the camera and pulls out a gun. I have no idea what kind of firearm this is but it looks really awesome.. and if anyone can identify it would be much appreciated!

==New spin-off project==
So ... [http://immwdb.wikia.com Here] is my new project about melee weapons, that i decided to do when some of my information was deleted from here. Is there any melee weapons enthusiasts, i mean people that know many information about melee weapons, not just firearms ? thanks for the answers. P.S. It's really sucks, that forum of such a great wiki-style site is not wiki but a bulletin. Difficult to register two times on one site. :( --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 23:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

==Request==

Here's a challenge. Identify the guns used by the terrorists and West German police in the 1972 Munich Massacre.

We know what guns were used in Spielberg's 'Munich', AK47s. But two much better films were made about the incident featuring a cornucopia of small arms.

'21 Hours in Munich' is a great film which faithfully reenacts the incident on location. Watch it here free.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/30442/21-hours-at-munich

The terrorists are armed with AKs, Walther P38s, S&W 76s, and even silenced FAL rifles.

Does anyone have a full inventory for what the terrorists really used?

What is the open bold SMG being used by the West Germans? It looks similar to the S&W 76 with a vented barrel shroud.

Another great film is 'One Day In September' a documentary with tons of real color footage. Watch it here free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUmq-wtnUA&feature=fvw

Since it is almost entirely real news footage we cannot see the terrorists' guns. As expected we see the West Germans with HK G3 rifles, and Walther SMGs.

If you look very closely in the first segment of Olympic promotional footage a West German has what looks like an MP5 slung behind his shoulder. I watched this footage again and again and it really does look like an MP5. It has the HK collapsible stock and a long straight 9mm magazine.

There is also a nice shot of an Israeli reading the paper with a slung Uzi.````

==Request==
Can someone do the Jesse Stone movies with Tom Selleck please? The are great movies with some really good firearms. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]] 20 March 2010 (UTC)

==Request==
Can somebody do the movie "Gomorrah" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomorrah_%28film%29)? I cant believe there is no article for this movie. It's a modern classic with a lot of cool guns in it.

==Jacked pictures==
The following are pictures taken from my website. The first one is edited, but it's still my picture. The first version still has my copyright notice on it, as does the second picture. [[Image:M1891.jpg]] and [[Image:M39.jpg]] Please remove all versions of both these pictures from the database. I'm not very familiar with wikis or I'd do it myself. --[[User:7.62x54r.net|7.62x54r.net]] 23:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

==Request==
There are a few guns i've yet to find like the Arcus 98 and the Bul Cherokee, and a few others. If these gun do exist in this website could someone provide a link?
::Uh, have they appeared in a movie, television show, anime, or Video game? If not then even if they were here, they would be deleted. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

==Request==
Guns used in the movie "Cabin Fever"?

==Request==
Does anyone knows which gun uses Robert Redford in Jeremiah Johnson...?

I am going to screencap Jeremiah Johnson, I have actually already screencaped it and am just preparing to do the page. He supposedly uses a Hawkins .30 and .50 caliber rifle. He has to settle with a .30 caliber during the start of the film, but later finds a .50 caliber. After that he carries both rifles around with him, as well as a flintlock pistol. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 17:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Request==
i have a request for a category. books. you could list all of the guns mentioned in books. if its based on a movie or made into a movie ou could do comparisons. another is comic books and magazines. i have an issue of the punisher MAX and it has a cool picture of the punisher ad his wall of weapons. [[user:smish34|smish34]]
:You know how many books are out there?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
::To the OP: How far can you stray away from the title Internet MOVIE FIREARMS data base? The short and final answer is no. It will takes us forever just to be complete in the genres we have now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:25, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
==Request==
Does anyone know what gun Denzel Washington used in the movie John Q? I was unable to locate this movie on IMFDB
:[[Beretta 92FS]] --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

==English Scripts==
To unregistered users. use english script when writing on these pages. Most of us are American and don't run asian word scripts on our computers. Thus Asian letters are unreadable to us and look like giberish. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

How could it look like gibberish when the definition of gibberish is words that sound like speech that have no meaning? Asian lettering looks nothing like english lettering and all of the Asian symbols and words have meaning therefore could not be gibberish.(to Americans it does however look like a bunch squigly lines)...by the way learn to spell "gibberish"

== Mods ==
What's up with all these mod pages like [[Zombie Panic: Source]] and [[Project Reality]] shouldn't they be removed as they are not professional items and not on imdb? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 17:40, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

No doubt, maybe if they were released commercially, but not as mods [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

== Screencap Legality ==
How do you know whether uploading screencaps violates copyright or not?
: Pretty sure it is okay because no one has hunted us down to sue us, but anyway, as long as you don't claim it is your work and credit only yourself, you should be okay. -GM
:: One thing I would advise you to do is not upload screenshots from pirated copies of movies that haven't been released yet on DVD and Blu Ray. I imagine that if someone working for one of the studios saw that, they would be very upset. They'll know the shots came from a bootleg if the movie isn't out on DVD yet, and they might just throw the book at us. Avoid this at all costs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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== Merging articles ==

Is it possible to merge an article with a pre-existing article? Every time I try to do this with particular types of guns, I get an error message that says, "A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name." For instance, if I wanted to move the HK91 article under the H&K G3 article (since the HK91 is a G3 variant, I don't think it needs its own page), I can't do this.

:Can someone please answer my question?

::Please?

::To merge an article, take the article, copy all the information and put it on the new page in the format you wish to make. You can also do this if you wish to change the name of a page. Take the page that you copied everything from and delete everything on that page. Write on that page this exactly(minus quotes):
"#REDIRECT (then use double [ ] brackets) and write the name of the page EXACTLY AS IT IS. Screw up the name and it'll redirect no where.
:Example
# "#Redirect [[[[M16 rifle series]]]]"
Note:How I made it look finished is what it should look like. Not what it looks like when in the editing of the page. Hope I helped. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This is probably rhetorical, but is this the same method of redirecting to a page, i.e. [[QBZ-95]] redirecting to [[Norinco QB rifle series]]? I noticed that a page for the QBZ-95 was deleted because there already was one (Norinco QB rifle series), but whenever you type in QBZ-95, there are absolutely no results for it, and that could be confusing for your everyday user..[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 22:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== The IMFDB Essentials ==

Is there any way to remove this feature at the top of the page, or at least present it in a format that is less of a hog on system resources? I find that it slows things down for me an awful lot.

== Let there be backups! ==

Ok, I've installed ruby on our dedicated server, signed up for Amazon's s3 storage service, and customized a ruby backup script to automatically backup the database and all image files at 4am pst and upload them to our s3 folder. The process really bogs down the box for a good 10 minutes, so I'm thinking once every 24 hours is fine, but I may go to once every 12 hours eventually... Thanks for putting up with the ups and downs during this time of transition.

Best,
Chris
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 05:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

----

:This is truly ridiculous...how could such idiocy possibly occur? I lost not only my account, but all of the work I did. I put in so much time to improve this site and work on pages, only to see all my work lost by incompetence. Clearly, you people are not responsible enough to properly back things up, so I can no longer trust you with my contributions. I will no longer be contributing to this site.

== My sincerest apologies ==

Your feelings are completely warranted, and I can only offer my deepest apologies. I will be posting our new backup procedures and details on the dedicated servers I am in the process of purchasing and bringing live shortly. You trusted me with your work and I let you down, for this I am truly sorry. All I can do is assure you that we have learned from our mistakes and an event such as this will never happen again. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 10:37, 14 March 2008 (PDT)

Welcome to our new server! This is the first of many steps I am taking to ensure we never lose data again. The site used to be hosted on shared hosting overseas - we now have a dedicated server housed in a colocation in San Jose, CA. Dedicated servers don't come cheap, but your time, effort, and contributions are now my number one priority.

I'm still transferring the images that have been uploaded over the last couple days, don't worry they're not lost!

Very Bad Things have happened. Our main server went down as well as our secondary server which was housing the daily backups. The last backup file we were able to successfully access was from December 21, 2007. I am heartbroken to say we have lost the last 10 weeks worth of edits - I don't know what to say to all the users except that I am incredibly saddened by the loss of all of our efforts and that I will take all steps in my power to '''make sure this never happens again'''. Now - all of your work from the last 10 weeks is not lost! If you know a page you worked on is missing go to google and search imfdb.org along with the name of the page you want back, for example "imfdb.org Terminator 2" and you will most likely find google still has a cached copy! Click on the "cached" link in the bottom of the listing and you'll be able to copy the text! Now, the screenshots for the last 10 weeks are completely gone - and I am going to do my absolute best to create new screenshots for as many pages as is humanly possible. I'm still uploading screenshots from the backup so you'll notice a lot of broken images for the time being.

Also, all users who have joined in the last 10 weeks have lost their accounts - please sign up again! And if you know a page you created or worked on is gone please search for it in google and recreate the page with the cached text.

If you don't want to go to all that trouble, just leave a note on my talk page with the page that is missing and I'll do all the legwork and get new screenshots!

'''Also - I'm working my a** off downloading as many pages still in the google cache as possible - you'll start seeing those show up later tonight.
'''

I'm so sorry guys - I'm going to make this right. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 18:51, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

==The McUzi==

It wasn’t until I read the ‘Raw Deal’ article on the “fake Uzi” that I realized Hollywood was dressing MAC-10s up as Uzis.

In ‘The Dog of War’ the mercenaries are supposed to be using Uzis. However some are using MAC-10s and some are using MACs dressed up as Uzis. The actors seem to change weapons randomly. For example, as the climactic battle begins Tom Berenger is using a real Uzi and Christopher Walken is using a silenced Uzi. However in the final minutes both are using McUzis. This is made painfully clear as Walken holds the gun to his face when reloading.

There are real MAC Uzi hybrids. These are civilian versions of the Uzi with a .45 barrel, bolt and a MAC-10 magazine well to accept the universal Grease Gun magazines.

The Hollywood guns are merely MACs with Uzi parts added on.

I would see to real reason to make a gun like this accept that the filmmakers wanted to use Uzis but ran out. Much like ‘Planet of the Apes’ when the studio ran out of ape costumes they simply used paper mask. If you look closely at the audience of Heston’s mock trial.

I captured some great stills to add to ‘The Dogs of War’ article.````

== Does anyone knows? ==

Why the Call of duty:world at war page is broken? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 17:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I figured it out - it was the special character at the end of Gunto, it's not supported under the current database config, I'll work on that... [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 01:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== moved from main page ==

We're on the new server and still working the bugs out - email me at cserrano@gmail.com if you're having any issues editing or logging in. The backup file is from early September 30, so most of yesterdays edits are missing - sorry GunMaster45 I'm working on it! [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC) ''GunMaster45 I've recovered the latest version of the [[Street Kings]] page - anything else we're missing?'' [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 21:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I had the R9 pistol which I had uploaed today but I redid it. Will the pictures remain fuzzy and pixelated or is that just temporary? (Hopefully) -GM

If you find something missing from the old server you can still access it here 66.79.167.132/~imfdb/index.php?title=Main_Page [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 20:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I had just uploaded some pics of the AR18 from Terminator and the Street Sweeper from Total Recall. Can you get them back, or should I upload them again? Also, MPM2008 uploaded some new gun pics, and I don't think he'll appreciate their loss.

== How do i "screencap" a movie? ==

How do i screencap a movie?: [[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 12:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

:That is a vague question, sir. Do you mean, how do you take screenshots of guns in movies, or do you just mean how do you upload them onto IMFDB?

:I mean taking screenshots.: 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 13:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ah, OK then. We all have our own methods of doing so. Personally, I play my DVDs using VLC Media Player, which has a Snapshot feature which lets you take screenshots when paused, and then it saves them automatically as JPEGs or PNGs to a designated folder of your choosing. However, that's ONLY when I'm screencapping movies I own on DVD. I also rent and download movies using iTunes which I might screencap for IMFDB pages, and I can't play those with VLC. In those cases, I just hit the "Print Screen" key, paste the image into MSPaint, and then crop away the iTunes browser so that only the movie image remains. Then I save them to my HD in a designated folder. Once I've acquired enough screenshots for a movie, I use "Upload file" to put them on IMFDB so that I can use them for pages I edit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::First and most importantly, you need a DVD drive in your computer to watch the movie. I watch mine on Windows WinDVD system, which has a built in "screencap" button by pressing P, which saves them all in WinDVD file. I take those files from the folder, which are all saved under BMPs and re-save them as JPGs using Corel Paintshop. If they are widescreen, I use crop to cut them out. I then upload them to the site and post them. Now that I've read MT2008's method for iTunes, I can screencap [[Shoot 'Em Up]] which wasn't compatable with my WinDVD system, but worked on my other DVD player which had no screencap button. Hooray! -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

And also you can use the program I use which is CyberLink PowerDVD which also has a built in Screenshot button. First the screenshots start out as BMPs, but then I use Irfan View to save them as JPGs to a different folder. And if they are widescreen, I use Windows Photo Gallery to crop off the black bars. You should also check out Gunmaster's and MT2008's methods because they might be better.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What about taking pictures on a digital camera and uploading them to your PC? Does anyone know if it works?[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thats a very myspace101 question but it's simple there's about 4 ways to do it but I've only done 2. (This demonstration is only done on Windows XP)

:::Option 1: If your camera has a memory slot like a (Compact Flash, Secure Digital, Mini SD, Micro SD, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard (MMC), SmartMedia, xD-Picture Card (xD), etc.) you could remove the card from the camera. Step 1: Once you removed the card from the camera if you have a compatible USB card reader you can plug the card reader into the computer and plug the card into the card reader. The most common great quality card reader brands are (Sandisk, Memorex, PNY, and Lexar) for approximately $20.00 at Wal-Mart.

:::Option 2: If your camera has a connection for a USB cable. Step 1: You can easily find and plug the USB adaptor into the camera and plug the other end of the plug into you computer.

:::The upload process is easy (tested on Windows XP) your computer bottom right task tray will show a "Found New Hardware" icon and be gone that means your camera is connected. Step 2: A pop up will show on how you want to view your images click on "view with Windows" if this pop up does not pop up you will have to manually follow step 3 if not skip on to step 4. Step 3: You may click "My Computer" or "My Documents" most likely on the desktop or start menu on your computer you will go to "My Computer" and find a folder that says a brand of your memory card or camera. Step: 4 Click on the folder and look through all folders and once you find it you may highlight the folder or the selected images on your computer mouse right click and press copy (or press Ctrl+C on your keyboard) and paste the images where ever you want in your computer.

==Uzi PAge==
I was looking through the pages and the [[Uzi]] page wasn't working last time I checked. -GM

== How do i screencap from a television? ==

Like if i wanted to screencap some video games? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 22:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:You probably need some high tech gizmo. Usually people who screencap TV use DVR and record TV on DVD, then upload them on the computer. I've never done it but it may work for VGs. -GM45

::Personally, I'd recommend maybe trying an emulator to play said game on your computer (assuming your PC is fast enough to handle the software and game). I've been thinking of redoing the ''[[Goldeneye 007]]'' page for a while using Project64 (which has a screencap feature), because I can play that game at high resolution even on my laptop.
:::I recommend softwares like Fraps (only for PC games). It can take images with a click of a button and you can choose what to save it as in the Pictures section. The disadvantage is that you can't record gameplay in computer games and you must pay about $99 (not sure, but around there and you can also pay little by little per month or week to use) it to do unlimited video capturing. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== The ''[[Kentucky Flintlock Rifle]]'' page. ==

The page is a mess. 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 18:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

: Not anymore, I fixed it. -GM

::Excellent. BTW, LMO has pics of the one from ''[[The Patriot]]''. -MT2008
: That pic looks nice but it doesn't need to be uploaded until someone screencaps the movie, and if that doesn't happen too quickly, I'll rent it and do it myself. -GM

==Call of Duty 4 pictures==

I've got good pictures of guns for Call of Duty 4, but i don't know how to upload them, anyone knows how to email me at r1c0ch37@gmail.com

:All you have to do is go to "Upload file" under the "Toolbox" section in the left-hand column. -MT2008

== What are those numbers? ==

to the left of the usernames on the recent changes page? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]]
: I'm a little confused what you mean but unregistered users have numbers instead of a name. -GM
:: I think he means the numbers in parenthesis, in which case, it's the number of text characters added or subtracted by that particular edit.
*I think those numbers represent the 24 hour time.

==Protection Log?==
Is something wrong with the site. Why are all the pics being fixed with "([edit=sysop:move=sysop])" for a protection log? I know little about that technical stuff, is someone removing the pics or are they just being protected from over-uploading crappy pics over? -GM

:They're being protected. Some asshole came in earlier today and kept trying to replace MoviePropMaster's pics with stock 'Net images, and kept doing it even after he was asked to stop. MPM's pics are our pride 'n joy...Alienqueen and I agreed not to let them get screwed with anymore. -MT2008

Yeah, that's reason why I did it. I just wish I had my ability to block users back, and then I wouldn't have had to set up protections. I told that guy not to upload over MPM2008's images and multiple times and he didn't listen.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

==Flannigan==
on the Snatch page- I know it already says that the .50 is a 357, but also another way of finding out is that .50s fire 7 rounds where as in the film Bullet tooth tony fires 8 in every mag. so it must be a 357.

Retrieved from "http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Snatch"

==Deleting old files==

As y'all can probably tell, I have been on a huge deleting spree recently. I've been getting rid of files that weren't being used for whatever reason or another. Some of them were gun images that have since been replaced by MoviePropMaster's images, others were old screencaps that have been replaced by newer ones (like all of my old ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' shots, which have since been replaced by GunMaster's), and some were those images of weird experimental guns uploaded by Cutaway that don't appear in any movie and thus have no purpose on this site.

I realize, of course, that this by itself won't relieve the strain on the servers; it's inevitable as this site grows. But it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. If anyone of the Admins are interested in helping out, please go to "Special Pages" and click on "Unused Files" (at the top). If you see something that might be worth keeping (i.e. Choi's screencaps from ''[[The Killer]]'' which haven't been put on the page yet), leave it alone, but if you see gun images that obviously have no use or screencaps that you know have been replaced...ditch 'em.

Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Good Work, MT2008. I'm sure it'll give us more server space, I'll be sure to delete some myself. One question, if we get rid of the old files, will this site load faster?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:Beats me, but I'd have to guess...not ''noticeably'' faster. It will at least give us more space for uploading newer files. However, IMFDB is constantly growing, so it's inevitable we'll reach our limits eventually. You'd have to ask Bunni when that will be. Anyway, I'm off to the pub now. I will be back later to continue. [[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Go right ahead, you deserve a break. I'll get rid of as many as I can, I'm also seeing alot of screenshots nobody bothered to use, it makes me wonder why people upload them if they're just going to sit there for a year and gather dust. And, I'm also going to screencap [[Four Brothers]] and [[Assault on Precinct 13 (2005)]] soon, so you can look forward to seeing them completed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Fictional Firearms==
I propose that we denote pages for 'fictional' firearms with parentheses "like Non Guns" so that they are in a different grouping than real guns. GM has made pages for the fantasy weapons of Hellboy II and that made me think about custom pages for the Morita Rifle (Starship troopers) or the M590 (Space:Above and Beyond) or the Blade Runner Pistol or any of the Star Wars guns (versus other types of Sci fi weapons, these should be guns). Even though THESE fictional guns are based on real guns, they can have their own pages with links to the original weapons page. Regardless, I think that guns that aren't real should be separated, lest they confuse users. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:I agree. I was kinda turned off when I saw the Aliens Resurrection page. None of those guns were based off of real firearms or even guns dressed up to look like futuristic guns.

::Well I get the point of making a post about fictional guns that were built around real guns like the Morita rifle and the Pulse Rifle of Aliens, but guns that were built from scratch like the Samaritian. Would it really need a page here or is that just for the fanboys who like the gun? It's like a page for the cars used in the Punisher movie or people who like to include knives, swords, and even bows & arrow in pages, including me. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The advantage is that the page can inform an interested user that the prop was NOT based on any real firearm, information that is just as important as informing 'what real firearm' was used in a prop weapon. What I don't like are obvious NON crafted weapons .... like [[Molotov cocktails]] ... wtf? That's an improvised weapon, like a sharp stick or a brick.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::What about bows & arrows, or crossbows? I put them in my pages cause when they are used, they an impression and deserve a mention evne though they aren't firearms. Also what about knives and swords? I've seen some of those as well, but I think the knife of Rambo should stay because...well, it's the knife of Rambo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== My gripe on Empty pages ==

I've been seeing a lot of new pages lately. The problem is that they are a blank! Nothing, not even a list of guns. What the fuck? I mean, a list of guns with no photos is ok, but just a fucking blank page? Do the people that do that expect someone else to do the work for them? They mind as well type down, "someone list the guns and put up pics for me cause I am lazy as fuck to even give a list." At least writing that down says something. Not just a blank.
:We all understand your pain Exy, we need a more efficient way to let the anonymous users know that if you make a page, you got to do the work. You gotta watch the language though, people will see it and think it is okay to do often. We all do it, but we don't want it done for no reason. Just ignore the empty pages, let them do the work eventually. If they don't, delete the pages. Half of them are movies I've never heard of anyway. Keep an eye out for [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]], I'll have them done this week. -GM
::What about that new member who create thirty or so new movie pages (some of which barely had one gun in them) and then never filled out any of those pages? I'm tempted to give people a little time, but for movies in which I question their relevance to this site, I'm also tempted to get rid of blank pages and let people create them when they're ready to populate them with information. MPM
:::Sorry for the foul launguage. I'm used to talking on forums where the F word is acceptable when you are pissed. Swears is culturally part of any language and sometimes it slips and I like to think we're all adults here that do use swears in real life when it is required. Anyway. Nice job on the [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]] pages. I've only done one movie that had ONE gun in it and it was [[The Forbidden Kingdom]] and even I did the work for it. I guess the anonymous users might also just be curious guys online and just hope we know what movie they are talking about, have it, and would take the time to tell them what guns are in it by doing the pages, but maybe on the main page, someone should put down rules of how to operate this site. I mean, I wanted to put a new qoute into the qoute section, but can't cause I don't know how to do it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

=="jacked" summaries"==
One thing that irks me is people 'cut and pasting' a plot summary completely from IMDB. This is not only against IMFDB rules, but if any mods from IMDB sees them, they can make an stink about it. I'm tempted to 'erase' any pirated summaries and put a note to the original writer ''"'''Write your own summary in your own words'''. It isn't too hard, even to re-arrange the sentences and replace some words to make it LOOK like you wrote it yourself. Just don't lift them word for word from another well known source. IMDB itself has a rule that you must write your own summaries and not lift them from other 3rd party sources. So does IMFDB.org. "'' Of course there are so many jacked firearm images here, this may be hypocritical. Which is why I'm working so hard to get IMFDB their own exclusive gun images. But it's one thing to upload an image of an impossible to get gun which no one has, versus taking the time to type a few sentences...
:I agree. I did the same thing with my [[Black Lagoon]] page when I got here, but I took it off mainly because I didn't see the need for a summary at the beginning of the page that is THAT long winded. People are here for the guns and if they want to know what the movie or show is about, they just look it up. I don't know, I stopped writing summaries for movies and shows long ago. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I think we don´t need summaries.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with those who think "we don't need no stinkin' summaries..." For those people who have NOT seen the movie a SHORT summaries are okay. I've put them on some of my pages, usually when I have something interesting to add. I do like them when someone puts a page for a movie so obscure that I have no idea what it's about (and I don't want to have to go hunting around the web to find out, capice?) I added summaries (and others did) for those REALLY OBSCURE East german B&W movies that are on the site. Who created those pages anyway? Like anyone's going to see Black and white German language communist era DDR movies .... oh well. I can always start creating pages for the cinema of 1930s Lithuania! hahahaha. But having no summary for SOME of the pages sucks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I found some summaries to stick out too much. Maybe a sentence or two to just give the jist, or a catch phrase like, but really I don't do summaries anymore. But I'll think about it for the anime ones simply cause some of them are harder to find or most people wouldn't have interests in them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Leaving your sign==
If you want people to know who you are when you write things on pages and discussion boards, put four ~ symbols after your message. Your user name and time/date are automatically shown. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:See?

:: What he said. ;)
::: I agree wholeheartedly ...
::::Yes. Just yes. --Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

==Problems with formatting==
Anyone notice that some of the wikipages don't show the spaces that we put between sections (so that the formats don't get all jacked up when we have photos on the right).

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Benelli_M_Series_Super_90_Shotguns

I've been trying to fix the benelli shotgun page for a bit now, and every time I add spaces, it doesn't show up in the page. Is this a glitch?[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Should we have templates? ==

Like in Wikipedia?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It WOULD make this site a bit more...colorful than the standard white background, but if it's too much work, then it's up to whoever really runs this place.

:In all honesty, what this site needs most of all is cross-referencing of some kind, so that if somebody enters the name of a gun in one page, it shows up on another. It's a downfall of Wikis in general, and this one in particular. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Views==

Is there a way how I could check how many people viewed may page like on the home page the top 5 articles says how many people have viewed are page.
-[[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== How do i replace a image? ==

How do i replace a image?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Updating ==

Can someone please update or add pictures to these listed pages:

*3000 miles to Graceland

*Blue streak

*The Mask

*Snatch

:The Mask and Snatch are on my to-do list. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== music videos ==

should be included on the site...i want to know the guns used in protest the hero's video for blindfolds aside...if anyone knows, please share, or at least where i can find out

== main page movies ==

What exactly is the criteria for a film to be featured on the main page? I was thinking of submitting some (unless there are already enough as it is). - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Popular, critically aclaimed (but gun heavy I guess, something that wins 9 oscars but has three guns isn't a good idea), and it should have a decent amount of guns on it (like 15-20 seems about right).

== Too many screencaps!!! ==

I'm getting a bit frustrated w/the amount of screencaps we're loading up. Is there any way we can limit the number? The pages are becoming much too long & scrolling takes forever. I know Wikis are not democracies so a vote would be out of the question but can we all please stop indulging our screecap skills by putting ALL our favorite stills from these films up & just have about 2-3 images per firearm? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:At least for the front page I have to agree - the loading is taking way too long. I'm going to disable the featured page for a while and see how it goes. I can't afford to upgrade the server at the moment to handle the huge load. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Can this be done on individual pages too? Take a look at the page for Shoot 'em Up for instance, seems like everyone just had to throw their favorite frame in there. Also, the Quick & the Dead is pretty bad too... Also, would it be bad in etiquette to go into pages & start cutting out images that are repetitive or unnecessary? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 18:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Excuse the language but FUCK YOU. And if you start removing my screencaps I'll be sure to remove ''you'' from the site. (sorry about the outburst but it is very rude to blatantly bash my hard work and contributions to this site, and it pisses me off gravely) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::No one was bashing the hard work or contributions. Don't confuse legitimate criticism with a personal attack, and your response back was a personal attack and beneath you, especially the fine responses you usually write (and the fact that you're a MOD now). I hope you eventually understand that I also mean no disrespect as well. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GM's comment aside I'm all for detailed screencaps. Heck I'm going to be trying to collect a bunch for myself. Unfortunantly the interesting films I have are VHS. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:He's got a point though. I dont want to be rude, but when every single time the certain gun is shown, it doesnt really need a picture. 5 tops is ok. GM, you are very nortorious for 13-14 pictures of the same gun. i can understand showing cycling misfeeds/changes in guns, but on the Punisher page, you dont really need that many pictures of Castle shooting Spoon and Dante. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::You shouldn't have to apologize. The members who seem to LOVE tons of screencaps take it personally, like you're attacking THEM, not the decision to display endless screenshots of guns. I think when they think about it, they may realize that no one is trying to be insulting. When I screencap, I edit the pictures. Sure I might have 14 shots, but I choose the best couple and cull the rest. I don't feel compelled to force everyone to look at every since solitary screenshot, just because I took the time to do them. Just like a writer or artist, you must have the maturity to cut out what is excess, even though at the time it sucks to cut out stuff you like. Looks like some of the new (i.e. young also) members are trying to outdo the record for ridiculous screencaps. [[We Were Soldiers]] is now a page that I no longer like to look at, now that I have to scroll down for ten minutes to see the next section. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== how do i screencap ==

i have many films, games exc that i want to screencap. please can someone tell me how to?
:You need a DVD-rom drive on your computer. Play the movie on a DVD player with a screencapture function. The images will be saved to a folder. Cut off any widescreen or full screen bars and convert the image to a JPG so it can be placed here. You'll need a photo editor such as Corel Photoshop or even Paintshop. Then go to the Upload file section and upload them on the site. Copy the picture's linkage (will say something like "Image:name.jpg") then put the image in double brackets [[]] and paste the linkage. now you'd take this image and write it like this:

(double bracket)Image:name.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comment.(double bracket)

Look at some other pages to see this in use. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

You can actually screencap with any Windows computer, very easily. Just use the Print Screen button and paste it into whatever program you want; you can then crop out the interface and whatnot. You can also use Print Screen + Alt so that you only get what's inside the window instead of everything (I think PrtScn + Alt is what you want.

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

==Should this picture be on the M16 Page?==
hahahaha. The CHAMPION of customization in the history of firearms! .....
[[Image:74ea0f45a31c.gif]]

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:Oh hell yea! that looks awesome! [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Looks like that GIF took a lot of work to make... Awesome though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::That would be perfect for the M16 page, so definitely yes!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well where on the page should this be on? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:Interesting enough I don't see this thing transform into an M16A1 or A2
::M16A1 is dead and gone. the a2 series is the new and improved. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Slow it down a touch and it's perfect! And to satisfy those who are sticklers about accuracy: split the animation into "A1" and "A2" animations (one for each M16 variant).
EDIT: Isn't there a silencer for it? Counter-Strike says so...
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

How awesome is that AR-15 builder, just love doing it for the hell of it.

== Grammar/Spelling ==
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- Hello gentlemen. First off I just want to start of by telling you guys how much I enjoy this site. Anyhow, I come visiting from IMCDb (Internet Movie Car Database). I'm an administrator over there and given my interest in weapons and the similarity between the two sites, I've taken an interest in visiting your site. However, I've noticed a problem that I wanted to bring up to your guys' attention. Often times there are grammar and spelling mistakes and I think that it is something that you guys can improve upon a bit more. I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing or I'm calling anybody stupid or anything, but it's things like that that could make the site look cleaner and more appealing. And yes, I do understand that english may not be the first language for some of the posters here. My point is that I'm just giving some friendly advice from who I'd like to think of as someone from a "sister" site. Thanks gents...keep up the great work.

:: We have tons of contributors who aren't even old enough to shave yet. Does that tell you anything? GM45 once described it as a small group of Mods/ Super users fighting against the cresting tide of the ocean, or something to that effect. :) An apt metaphor. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi, I am a fan of IMCDB myself (it was where I learned all about how M1 Abrams tanks in Hollywood are mocked-up Centurions). I do appreciate your concerns about grammar/spelling and agree with you that it needs to be addressed. However, being that (unlike IMCDB) we are a Wiki open for all to edit, it's somewhat inevitable that this will be an issue. I appreciate the fact that this is less of an issue with IMCDB due to the format of the site, and at times, I wish we could integrate elements of IMCDB into this site to standardize things a bit (I still get annoyed when I see people who call a Beretta 92F a "Berretta M92F" even though it says at the top of the page that this is not the correct spelling). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::Fellas, I greatly appreciate the response. I understand the situation with your site and we ourselves deal with some of the same issues, as far as having younger members whose grammar and knowledge isn't exactly ideal. But thanks a lot for the response. And as I said earlier, keep up the good work.

:::::Thanks. We also have foreign contributors who don't have that great of a grasp of English. We also have guys who just don't know how to spell. One of my buddies who is a combat vet, former 82nd Airborne, types like a two year old on his computer. I jokingly say that I have to create a special filter for Babelfish to decypher what he is typing! LOL. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===Our own movie===
I was thinkin'. We've got a lot of people on this site, a lot of them are very talented, we could probably make our own movie someday. I know a good script writer with an idea already mostly-formed, maybe imfdb should have a meet up and make a movie. We could probably all pool our resources and make an awesome one. Just a whimsical fantasy...-protoAuthor
:A movie based on a website? What the fuck? That won't work. I am sorry but, that just won't work.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, I mean we all pitch together and make an action movie. Not based on the website, but the website has the people and resources. As in, a community effort. -protoAuthor
:::That would be cool if only the movie we make is a cheesy action movie in the same vein as Commando, then we can do it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::hahahahaha, uh no. :) Some of us actually work in the movie industry and it's not easy to make a movie, even a crappy backyard effort one with a video camera bought from Walmart. You're right, it's a whimsical fantasy, but you need a TON of talented people who know what they are doing in ALL of the positions of a film production. Not just armorers but you need everyone, a good script, good actors, a good director, a good producer (which amazingly is really hard since the producer is supposed to be a manager, NOT someone who micro manages the work by everyone else), a good crew, skilled camera operators, good cameras, pro lighting gear and a good DP or cinematographer. Oh did I mention TONS of $$ (you could spend a fortune just feeding the crew and paying for insurance and permits - salaries not withstanding). Wait, you also need office staff, pre production staff and post production staff and facilities (digital capture, color correcting, editing, sound engineering and editing) and then where are you going to sell it? You need marketing, posters, ads, trailers, a website, the list goes on and on. No I'm not making fun of your comment. It was funny and just that, fantasizing, but I know you are just throwing this bit out there and are not serious. Because it's akin to someone saying "hey let's stage our own high orbit launch of a satellite, all we need is ....." :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm currently working on an amatuer backyard crap job now, and it is actually turning out quite well. We don't have tons of money but we can fund things like fake blood, spare t-shirts (to cover in fake blood), and blanks. As for lighting, so far everything has been working well for us. We actually have enough filmed now that I'm confident this will be a good movie. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Help with VLC ==
I need help with my VLC Media Program. When i screencap movies the program screencaps like normal, but when i upload my images to IMFDB the images stay like this:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-252103Mk2.jpg|thumb|none|512px|Charlie Sheen in [[Platoon]]. <s>The Problem here is that even when the screencap is in 1200x configuration, the screencap is still away too small.</s> Fixed!]]
:Can Anyone help me with this?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:I don't have that problem, but I'm checking out the settings to see what might cause it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

::I imagine you've got this sorted by now, but it's because you missed the letter "p." It's "px" as in "pixel," not "x" as in "times." And that still won't make it larger than the image itself is. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Discussions on Articles==

I love this site, I have wasted many hours just browsing the wonderful collection of articles. My only qualm is some users feel that the article pages are also discussion pages to argue the validity of someone's addition. There is nothing that irks me more that when i am reading about a movie and then it becomes some kind of forum. I think this should be regulated to make the site more professional.

:We try to regulate it and throw those discussions on the discussion pages of articles but there are still some users that discuss on the articles.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, that has been a thorn in my side too. Nothing worse than to go to the trouble of creating a thorough, tidy-looking article only for people to clutter it up with chatter and arguements that should be saved for the article's talk page. that 'discussion' tab is up there for a reason, people! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I couldn't agree more, it turns me off when I'm going through a neat looking page, and then come across a bunch of comments and arguments. If we could just get into the habit of using the talk page for these arguments, then we'll be more obligated to use them more often.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== This video ==

Have any of you lazy sons-of-bitches seen this video:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg]

It's fucking awesome let me tell you. And no, i'm not spamming links just watch the video. It's about us!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's been out for a while now; take a look at some of those old gun pics on there, like the long since replaced M16A1/M203 with the 20-round mag. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I know but i never seen it. It's really funny.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately some our members are a bit too thin skinned. This guy wasn't being insulting. He was intentionally obnoxious trying to be a 'showman'. Some guys "telling him to fuck off" in the comments makes us look a bit immature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== How? ==
how do i create my own page to say what my favourite weapons and movies are and what contributions i have made? please can someone tell me.
:You have to register first and, contribute to this site. Bye!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
i'd hate to sound like an idiot but i've just done that (register and contribute) now what do i do?
:On the upper right corner of your screen there is an panel with thing about your username. Press the one with your name on it and write on it. Also, when editing, there will be an link with "Editing Help". Click it and read it. Now you know how to edit. Yay! Also, put four ~ after any of your messages. That way, you will sign you messages and people will know who you are.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Movie Article Request "Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow" ==

There are many guns, but I request this mostly for a big mistake in it. When Sky Captain is running on a log with a Colt 1911 (silver) in hand and drops it, the computer rendering shows a revolver of some sort. It is probably the same as the one in the scene where Sky Captain is at his desk and the reporter comes in, and he stops her at gunpoint.

Sorry if I was vague, but my memory's a little fuzzy.
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:I actually own that film and I ''could'' screencap it ,but I effing hate that movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

:Is it really that bad? It looked like it sucked, but I wasn't sure-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

::It's just really corny. It tries to capture the feel of movies made in the 20's or whenever the hell the movie's suppose to take place, but it is just super, super, super, corny. If it was intentionally corny, it would be funny. But it's not and that's what makes it bad. The only redeeming part is that Angelina Jolie is in it. Unfortunately, she's always in a uniform and has a patch over one eye, so it's not really worth it in the end. The dues ex Machina near the end doesn't help, or the fact that the female lead is the type of person that would push a button for no other reason then it says "DO NOT PUSH". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== How do I ==

get pictures on a page? not screencaps but an actor holding a gun in a movie?

== Fixed Width 1000px ==

I'm working on making the front page a fixed width design... let me play with the ads and featured articles for a couple days. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 22:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:Created a new template for featured articles, you can play with it at [[Template:FeaturedArticle]]. I've currently only added 3:10 to Yuma and Live Free or Die Hard - feel free to add more. [[User:Bunni|bunni]]

==Random screencap==
Is there any chance of bringing this feature back? I liked looking at the different screenshots. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 11 Oct 2009
::Do you prefer having the site crash more often than not, for this little inconvenience?

==Still having problems with the SITE==
I am getting 503 error messages all the time. 80% of the time I can't get it. Until this is fixed, I am taking a break because I waste HOURS trying to rewrite edits and multiple attempts to upload images. Don't know what we can do about it. Is there something we can do, like have a one week moratorium on any members uploading anything to see if all the hits from views is what is causing it? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I emailed Bunni about this a few days ago, so I hope he'll get it fixed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 21:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

==Forum problems - can't log in==
Which is why I am posting this here. I can't get into the Forum. When I type in (CORRECTLY) my user name and password, I get this error message that I have ''used up ALL Of my five (5!) login attempts'' (WTF?). Just '''today''' when I tried to login in, the error message said '''''"You've used up six (6!) of your five (5) login attempts.''''' You cannot try again for another fifteen minutes. Again WTF? I tried ONCE and it didn't take and the system thought I had tried many times. Again, something is wrong with the servers. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'm getting that error also. My guess is that it is because someone is trying to hack our forum accounts; so that is probably why it says we have used up our login attempts. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== I need help with a Link problem ==

I started a State of Grace page, which shows up when entered in the search box, but when I went to add the info from the movie to the actors pages the link back to State of Grace is said to be deleted. Like when I went to the Sean Penn page and entered what pistol he used and entered State of Grace, when I click on State of Grace it brings to a page that says:

'''Warning: You are recreating a page that was previously deleted.'''

You should consider whether it is appropriate to continue editing this page. The deletion log for this page is provided here for convenience:
• 18:32, 15 April 2009 Gunmaster45 (Talk | contribs) deleted ''"State of Grace" ‎ (content before blanking was: 'This excellent movie starred Sean Penn, Ed Harris, and Gary Oldman. Penn, an undercover cop infiltrating the Irish mob in NYC carried a Smith 6906 in .9mm with a Ruger SP101 backup gun. Gary Oldman, a thug, carried ...')''

Does this mean I need to copy and paste all the work I did into that deleted page? Searching for the movie from the search box will bring you to the page I created from scratch, but the link from the actors pages brings you to that notice of an old deleted page. Can anyone help? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 03:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

There was a small difference in titles between the link and the page you created. The link was State of Grace and the title of your page was State Of Grace, so that's why it didn't link. I made a redirect on the previously deleted page so it should work now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Movies Page ==

I don't know if anyone has noticed but in the movies page King Kong (1933) is listed under B and there's no entry for it under K. Reason I'm saying this is because I guess only admins can edit category pages? because nothing pops up when I click edit.-[[User:Shooter2|Shooter2]]

::I fixed it. Someone put B&W in the same Category line as "movie". YOu put the categories in separate lines. WHen you put B&W in the same line, it thinks that you want the movie categorized in the "B" category [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

== Movies deletion ==

Could you please delete [[The Alamo (2004)]] since there is already is the title under ''[[Alamo (2004), The]]''? Thanks--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
== Redirects ==
Can someone please teach me how to create redirects?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

==Non Related Quotes==
How does the quote "Come quietly or there will be...trouble. --[[RoboCop]]" relate to firearms? Should this quote be removed from the featured quote list or not?
:I thought that as well, so I deleted it --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

==Can't get into the FORUM .... AGAIN!!!!!!!==
If anyone is interested as to why I have NOT deleted spammers, I CAN"T GET INTO THE FORUM!!!!! every time I try to log in, it boots me out! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:28, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
:Sucks for you, dude. Lets just hope that whatever is causing the problem is fixed

== Do a page on Pavement ==

Can someone please do a page on a movie called Pavement that stars Robert Patrick and Lauren Holly filmed in 2002. I was interested the weapons SWAT used and was pretty sure at one point even though she hadn't fired her weapon while clearing a house the top slide of her sidearm was locked back. I'd do it myself but I don't know where to find this movie as I saw it on TV one night and haven't done it before so wouldn't know how to make a page. Cheers
:Pavement was filmed in South Africa, even though the story is set in San Francisco. Funny how San Francisco, suddenly looks like the scenes from District 9? Lauren Holly used a Vektor CP1 pistol, and yes, she pops out and her slide is open, but it looks like she fired and the editor removed the sequence of her firing, wanting instead for the crazy dude to force her to withdraw by firing his shotgun first. It was an editorial decision that screwed up what was already filmed. The SWAT team used South African R4s, Vektor CR21s, some dummy SIG 550s and one M16A1(probably a replica). The weapons are what one expects from a South African production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Actor's Pages ==

I see that a lot of the actor pages are being converted to the "table" format, but I don't know if it's clear what should be in the first category. Should the guns be placed first before what movie the actor used them in? I would prefer it this way, because it's easier to read that way. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::You're right in pointing this out. I see NEW MEMBERS are changing the order in the tables on the ACTOR pages. Traditionally it's been WEAPON, then CHARACTER, then MOVIE TITLE, then notes. That format was chosen because it flows like a 'sentence'. I.e. John Doe has used the following ...... a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Krusty A. Clown in ''Attack of the Killer Cartoons'' (note), (year). WE should formalize a format and then institute it in the rules. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request ==

can someone do Wrongfully Accused with Leslie Nielsen. the reason I ask is because there is a strange LMG version of an M134 in it, and i would like to know what the hell it is, and if it is real.

== A question --

So, this wiki has articles about video games, anime and animated films which are either 3d representations or drawings of guns. So why are stop-motion films, and other animation of this kind not allowed here? Why are they an exception?
::That answer is in the rules. The representations of guns are crude and not appropriate to waste IMFDB resources on. We haven't even covered the majority of our CORE genres (Films, Television shows, Anime & VG). And many of our pages are very incomplete or lame. So we tend to discourage new members from trying to introduce even MORE genres for us to cover. That and in those genres the guns are too crude to be listed as anything in particular. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Site working much better! ==

The Site seems to be working again! Thanks so much to all those who worked on it! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Hello! Meet the new user msMaryStrikens. ==

Hello! I really liked your forum, especially this section. I just signed up and immediately decided to introduce myself, if I'm wrong section, ask the moderators to move the topic to the right place, hopefully it will take me well... My name is Mary, me 29 years, humourist and serious woman in one person. I apologize for my English [[Special:Contributions/89.107.104.99|User: 89.107.104.99]]

:''(Note: this message was moved by the MODs from an incorrect page to the main discussion page)'' [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== Question: Live fire in movies ==

Hi, first of all, please excuse my English, I am not a native speaker. Secondly, please excuse I aks my question here although I know it is not the proper place for this, but I found no forum in this wiki. So here is my question:

When filming the German movie ''Spione'' (''Spys'', but there never was an English version) in 1928, there was live gun firing because they could not simulate it with special effects (1928), and the gun in the scene in question was fired in the direction of one of the actors. Strangely enough this caused a furor only because filming the scene was repeated several times by the director, who was was the lover of the actress in the scene, but it seems there was no talking about the live firing of a gun in a movie ''per se'' at all. So was using live fire in movies normal in a time they could not use special effects? Are there more films in which they used live fire instead of special effects? Thanks, Gustav

==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imfdb IMFBD Wikipeda Page]==
It's been put up for speedy deletion. Could better writers than me go explain why it shouldn't? -[[User:JonathanDP|JonathanDP]] 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not sure I could myself. I mean, a Wikipedia article about another Wiki? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Too late, it's already gone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Dude, there're many wikipedia articles on other wikis. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis Don't believe me?]--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 23:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I was actually the one who wrote that article (Rockmandrum on Wikipedia). I wrote that article because there are also different databases such as the IMCFD (Internet Adult Film Database) and I thought IMFDB should go there as it's a database, but my article got tagged for the lack of sources though there are some sources out there. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Quotes question...==

I dunno who is in charge of the featured quotes section, but I'd like to know. Can we, the registered users, propose new ideas of featured quotes? 'Cause I got a few, and I'm sure other guys have 'em too. [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:45 March 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Quote suggestions ==

You might want to make your suggestions in the discussion section of the [[Template:Quote]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Page that can't be edited==

Seems that the [[Ga-rei: Zero]] page can't be edited. There a problem with this or should it be just deleted instead to start all over? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

==Just Cause 2==
Hey guys. I know the first Just Cause had no realistic weapons, but that changes with JC2. So far even from the demo I've made out a Desert Eagle, M4-type rifle, MP5/UMP cross, and an M136 AT4. If anyone could screencap the game, I'd gladly do descriptions and the rest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

==Hi there==
New member here. Just wanted to drop a line. awesome site! Some pics I recognize off the net. Just a question. where do you get the great gun pictures from? I used to use Security arms and Guns of the world for reference but you guys have some of the best pics I've seen, including some that I have never seen anywhere else. If you license from some stock photo site, please let me know. I would be interested in getting access to their image library! :) Kyle

-For the most part pictures that are used are from MoviePropMaster2008, he is IMFDB's armorer, he has a lot of the pics of weapons on white backgrounds that you see. Many from movies they helped with. However, he doesn't have all of them. Just check for the picture you are looking before uploading any of your own. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 16:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Director's Pages ==

If I've seen a page on the site like Hurt Locker or Face/Off or even Heat, I might like to know what other films the director has done, so I think the pages are helpful in that respect. Judging by the amount of pages we have for actors who have maybe used or carried a gun once, compared to how many directors pages we have, I don't think you're saving that much on space. Also, if you're looking to make this site a really good reference site, omitting these pages just doesn't make sense. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

- Well, next thing you know, we'll include pages/categories for Producers, Production designers, etc. There's only so much this place needs to put on here. There's already an 'Internet Movie DataBase' that has all that other stuff. Like MPM said on another page - Putting a bunch of emphasis on what directors/actors/etc did what takes away from the primary focus of the site, which is to display and discuss the firearms and info directly relating to them. The actors are only here because they're the ones actually seen in movies handling the firearms, but anything other than that I feel would just be too much. If you want to find out about Directors and the like, again, there's IMDB as well as other sites on the internet for that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Franchise pages ==

Like director pages, can we make pages for particular game franchises, like all of the Call of Duty games or all the Medal of Honor games? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

- You mean like list pages, like we have for movie franchises, film genres and such? If so, that would be fine, would make reference/look-up of a particular title in a series easier. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:No, unless the franchises have tons of titles that are completely different. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out all of the games titled "Call of Duty" or Medal of Honor" belong to a certain series of games. And I have not seen a surge of titles that OMIT the franchise identifiers like a new title that is officially a part of the Call of Duty series that doesn't have 'Call of Duty' in the title. Unless that happens, the franchise identifiers are NOT NECESSARY and add to the overall clutter that IMFDB is trying to avoid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I was just talking about the really big franchises, and I guess it'd only apply to the CoD and MoH series. There are a DOZEN games in each series, several of which I've never even heard of. Users here are obviously fans, given how detailed the pages are and the length of the discussion pages. Maybe a chronological listing? Or a glorified disambiguation page? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There should be a ''see also'' addition to the pages, however, a glorified disambiguation page is not a bad idea. But the pages STILL need a 'see also' section at the bottom of the page that is complete. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. [[Heat]] , [[Ronin]] , [[McQ]], [[Public Enemies]] , [[Reign of Fire]] and so forth. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. Just wanted to get that out there so nobody sends me hate mail. I'm not messing with anybody's hard work. Just helping to organize. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

- I took a gander at those pages, I actually like the grouped-together firearms, again, makes reference on the contents of a page easier. Especially if a page has a lot of guns that can be grouped under said categories like those pages.

Although some people like doing the pages by chronological appearance of the firearms (T2, as well as my own page, [[Nothing But Trouble]], for instance) but those pages either don't have a lot of guns or are very diverse.

But in pages where there are a lot of guns that can be grouped under some general types (Pistols, SMGs, Shotguns, Assault Rifles, etc) I think it helps. I've certainly seen some pages re-organized as such and it helped. I won't say it's the thing to do for ALL pages, but many would benefit from it. Just my thoughts. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm doing it to the pages that I created and a few pages with many many firearms like [[Heat]]. But I want to do it slowly. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Made for TV movies ==

What's the ruling on made for TV movies? I've seen them go either ways on this site. Dirty Dozen: the Next Mission is listed as a movie, while Lost Battalion is listed as TV, despite both being made for TV movies. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''What are you talking about? The Lost Battalion is not listed that way'''. For the record, made for TV Movies (or as called in Hollywood MOW for "Movie of the Week" as the major networks used to do, are listed as movies. They are not episodic series or Mini-series. If the entire thing is shown in a single showing then it's a movie. These made for TV movies are sometimes theatrically released overseas, and many of them are released on video/DVD as movies. Anyway that's the rule and I still don't see any violation of that rule. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I was referring to the weapons pages that link to it. For example, the M1917 pistol and rifle pages both have Lost Battalion under Television, while the M1911 and Chauchat entries have it under Film. And others not at all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well that's an error on those gun pages. If you see errors like that, which I am sure there are plenty of on IMFDB, please fix them when you see them. There is a LOT of breaks in cross indexing. I've long berated members for creating pages and NOT cross indexing them to actors and gun pages. And with new members creating new pages every other hour or so, the problem is just going to get bigger. All IMFDB members should try to fix cross indexing errors when they see them. Heck, there are pages I've made that I forgot to cross index some of the weapons entries on. But we must be vigilant and try to keep IMFDB accurate and up to date as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Last Hunt ==

Hi it's been a while since I've seen this but I remember Robert Taylor using a massive Winchester rifle. I was wondering if this was a Model 1886 since he was hunting buffalo with it and it used a .45-90 bullet.

I've seen a Model '86 Winchester rifle in the Monte Walsh remake and in a recent episode of Pawn Stars and they didn't really look as big as Robert Taylor's. I was just wondering if anyone knew if it was an '86 or maybe something else.

==Gun-releated quotes on actor/actress page==
I thought of an idea while looking at the quotes section: how about some quotes said by an actor/actress can go on their page? For example, Al Pacino's quote, "Say hello to my little friend," from [[Scarface]] can also go on his page, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen Used movie firearms ==

I have recently been searching the website for weapons which were pictures of actual movie firearms, example being weapons in Quentin Tarantino films.
if anyone could list some films for me that would be great. These are some of the ones i have already found:

*[[Scarface]]
*[[Pulp Fiction]]
*[[Reservoir Dogs]]
*[[True Romance]]
*[[Jackie Brown]]
*[[Lethal Weapon]] series
*[[Die Hard]] series
*[[Predator]]
*[[The Untouchables]]
*[[Austin Powers in Goldmember]]
*[[The Spirit]]
*[[Lord of War]]
*[[Beverly Hills Cop]]
*[[We Were Soldiers]]
*[[Tightrope]]
*[[The Enforcer]]
*[[The Dead Pool]]
*[[Dirty Harry]] - no S&W 29 unfortunately
*[[The Quick and the Dead]]
*[[Man on Fire]]
*[[Miami Vice - Season 3]]
*[[The Getaway (1972)]]
*[[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]]
*[[The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean]]
*[[Machete]]
*[[Fair Game]]
*[[Ghosts of Mars]]
*[[Wild Wild West]]
*[[S.W.A.T. (2003)]]
*[[Collateral]]
*[[Hidalgo]]
*[[Appaloosa]]
That's all I could think of, for now, also many have the pics on the site may not say they were used in a certain film, but a lot of them are movie guns.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:::(a) Thank you. :) You're actually just chronicling my work for the site. 90% of the screen used photos I shot exclusively for IMFDB and I kinda wondered myself just how many titles I've covered. (b) it's sad but true that many OTHER gun pics are of guns that I'm certain have appeared in stuff, but unless record have been checked and verified, it can't be said with any sort of certainty. So we have TONS more movie used weapons than not in photographs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

:We also have several guns from ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. At some point, I think we need to make a page with all of the screen-used movie guns that MoviePropmaster has photographed for us. And then I also need to make a page with the gun pictures that my contact at ISS sent me. There are a lot of them on this site. Of course, there are also some that we've taken from other sites (like YourProps and PropStore), but I'd probably just put the gun pictures that are IMFDB exclusives. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
::That seems like a good idea MT.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Book of Eli, The]] has that kind of stuff on its page and [[The Unit]] as well, if you want to be hardcore about it. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== double deuce grenade launcher ==

i have been looking for this grenade launcher, a double barrel, supposedly by sage international but they didn't seem to have anything on it.If you have anything, particulary a picture of this weapon, please respond.

dschwochert@hotmail.com

::Hello, And welcome to IMFDB. If your weapon has not appeared in a movie, tv show or other entertainment media, it sure won't be HERE. If it has appeared in a title, let us know the title and perhaps we can help you. IMFDB doesn't chronicle weapons that have not appeared in anything yet. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

== Missing firearm (The Peacemaker) ==

Just got done watching this movie & there is a scene between the Russian General & one of the bad guys in the back of the truck (about 1 hour 15 minutes in) & I'm sure the gun that the General threatens him with is a Steyr GB pistol, he also uses it to shoot at the approaching helicopters, could someone else confirm this & update the page?

== Empty firearm ==

In some films you see that when a gun is fired, the chamber clicks empty but the slide doesn't lock back and I was just curious as to how they manage to do that?
:If it's showcased in a film, then it was intentional. Many directors who are unfamiliar with guns will use that action to indicate that a gun is empty.
:'''''Scene:''' Bad guy points pistol at face of good guy. It is a Beretta 92FS. He pulls the trigger dramatically. "click" nothing happens. Bad guy has panicked look on his face. "Click" "Click"! as he continues to pull the trigger. "Aha!" yells the hero as he swats away the empty gun and punches the bad guy in the face.'' DOH!
:It's done via editing. I seriously doubt most directors would end a gunfight with the phenomenon of a dud round (though dud rounds have appeared in the storylines of some shows). Or a bad primer. Or a worn or damaged magazine which does not engaged the slide lock. Or a worn or damaged slide. But seriously, anyone who fires a gun can pretty much tell when it's empty and devoid of rounds, unless it's not their gun and they're completely unfamiliar with it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Bad magazines...its not the desired option on semi-autos.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== glock varients ==

i just wondered, is a Glock 19 the same as a Glock 23 with the exeption of the caliber?

Yes

==Main Page error==
Has anyone ever gotten this error before? This happened to me many times. During this error, I cannot go to any pages unless there are links on a page and I'm logged out and I can't log in. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Mainpageerror.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

: I have had this happen to me, too. I am running up to date Firefox. It´s a rather odd error, really. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've encountered it as well. I usually run IE as my browser, and it sometimes carries on when I go through Google Chrome too. Tends to be accompanied with a fair amount of lag as well when it occurs. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:I've never had this error before, but I only update or run programs if I have to. It's running on bare bones only. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 20:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Kilgore

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Kilgore:

== Declassified information ==

Name: John

Location: Florida

Age: Classified

Occupation: Classified

== Please Note ==
I do not have an account on the IMFDB Forum because I do not give my e-mail address to any site, no exceptions. I still am very active on IMFDB itself and will not mind if you post something from the forum on my talk page that may be of use.

== Why is My Username ''"Kilgore"''? ==
[[Image:Patton523.jpg|thumb|right|280px|"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived" - Gen. George S. Patton, June 7 1945.]]

Well, Kilgore was the last name of the character played by [[Robert Duvall]] in the 1979 Vietnam War movie "Apocalypse Now". [[Robert Duvall]] portrayed Kilgore in a way that reminded me of one of me heroes, General George Smith Patton III, the General who lead America to victory(Eisenhower took most of the credit), would have killed the dumb SOB Adolf Hitler(if Hitler was not a filthy coward) and would have been President if He had not died in car crash. Col. Kilgore reminded Me of Patton and because nobody but Patton and his Family are worthy of bearing his name, I took the next best thing.
[[Image:Lieutenant-colonel-bill-kilgore-apocalypsenow34526.jpg|thumb|none|385px|"I Love the smell of Napalm in the Morning" - Robert Duvall as Col. William Kilgore, 1979]]

== '''People who show what being a Major Hero takes!''' ==

=== Audie Murphy ===
[[Image:Audie Murphy.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1924 - May 28, 1971)]]

Audie Murphy joined the United States Army at age 16 in 1942. He was 5'5" and weighted 110 pounds. Before that, He had tryed to join the Marines and Air Force and they bothed laughed at him. He almost became a cook after he passed out halfway through training, but he insisted on being one of the regular grunts, so they sent to fight with the 3rd Infantry Division.

He was promoted to Corporal durring the Invasion of Sicily thanks to his amazing shooting skills. It was when He was in Italy, he also caught malaria and had it for the rest of the war.

Later, when the 3rd Infantry was sent into southern France in 1944, They encountered a German machine gun crew who pretended they were surrendering when they opened fire, killing one of his best friends. Murphy then killed everyone in the gun nest, then used their weaponry to kill every kraut in a 100-yard radius, including two more machine gun nests and serveral snipers. He received the Distiguished Service Cross and was made a platoon commander.

For the next serveral weeks, his division suffered more than 4,500 casualties and he was later sent to an army hospital after being wounded by a sniper.

After 10 weeks in the hospital, his division was sent to defend Holtzwihr, France even though he had only 19 men who were still alive. He had a few M-10 Tank Destroyers, but they were destroyed in just a few minutes. He and His men hid a trench and took pot shots at the Germans until they were out of ammo, then, in another act of reality-defying heroics, mounted a .50 cal machine gun attached to a burning M10 with a full tank of gas, and mowed down everything that was still standing. Then, in something that looks like it was from an action movie, the tank blew up behind him as he walked away.

After the war, he took drugs for Shellshock, but became addicted to the meds. He quit cold-turkey by looking himself in a motel room for a week and when he came out, he wasn't addicted anymore.

He later made a movie about his life, but cut out the most amazing parts for fear that people would not believe it. The movie was the highest-grossing film Universal made, a record it held for 20 years until Jaws.

List of Awards Audie Leon Murphy won.

* Medal of Honor

* Distinguished Service Cross

* Silver Star with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Legion of Merit

* Bronze Star with "V" Device and First Oak Leaf Cluster

* Purple Heart with Second Oak Leaf Cluster

* U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal

* Good Conduct Medal

* Distinguished Unit Emblem with First Oak Leaf Cluster

* American Campaign Medal

* European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France)

* World War II Victory Medal

* Army of Occupation with German Clasp

* Armed Forces Reserve Medal

* Combat Infantryman Badge

* Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar

* Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar

* French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre

* French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier

* French Croix de Guerre with Silver Star

* French Croix de Guerre with Palm

* Medal of Liberated France

* Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm

=== Simo Häyhä ===
[[Image:Simo Hayha-3.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Simo Hayha]]
Simo Hayha, nicknamed "White Death", was a Finnish farmer who served in the military from 1925 until 1940, but during the Winter War, using a [[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin Nagant Rifle]] and [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43#Suomi M31|Suomi M31 SMG]], He took a couple cans of foods and hide in tree, and then He went on to kill '''705''' Russians in just '''100''' Days! On March 6th, 1940, He was shot in the jaw, but he managed to lived. He died in 2002. Remember, He killed more then 700 Russians in less then 100 days in -40 degrees celsius.

[[Image:Untitled-39000.jpg|thumb|right|400px|The very same weapons used by Simo Hayha Himself!]]

LeMat Revolver

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Kilgore: /* Film */

'''The ''LeMat 1861'' revolver has been seen in the following films:'''
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction (Cavalry version) - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:Le-mat-revolver.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LeMat 1869 centerfire cartridge model - 11mm / 20 gauge.]]

==Info==
The LeMat percussion revolver was invented by a French American gunsmith and first issued in 1861. The gun was famed for its 9 shot capacity and an under barrel 16 or 18 gauge shotgun, and was favored by Confederate soldiers during the civil war. Production ceased mainly in 1865 but the gun was still made in limited quantities for quite a long time. Today, some companies make reproduction models.

== Specifications ==
*Weight: 3.1 lb (1.41 kg), unloaded
*Length: 13.25in. (356 mm)
*Caliber: .42 Ball (.44 repro) or .36 ball, 16ga Shot
*Action: Single Action revolver
*Rate of fire: 9 rounds/minute
*Muzzle velocity: 620 ft/s (190 m/s)
*Effective range: 40 yd
*Maximum range: 100 yd
*Feed system: 9-round cylinder, single-shot smoothbore secondary barrel
*Sights: fixed front post and rear notch

===Film===

* A quickdraw contestant in ''[[The Quick and the Dead]]''

* Seen in a guncase in ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]''

* [[Jude Law]] as Inman in ''[[Cold Mountain]]'' (in novel too)

* [[Bruce Willis]] as James Cole in ''[[Twelve Monkeys]]''

* Carried by Buford Coker, former South Carolina infantryman, on cattle drive in 1868 in both tv movie and novel of [[Centennial]].

===Television===

* Fired by [[R. Lee Ermey]] in an episode of ''[[Mail Call]]''

* Carried by Jayne Cobb in the Short-lived TV Show ''[[Firefly]]'', modified to look more futuristic

* A 1959–1960 CBS television show, "[[Johnny Ringo]]" aired for one season (38 episodes). Ringo was played by Don Durant and carried a LeMat revolver

===Video Games===

* ''[[Red Dead Redemption]]'' (Unable to use the shotgun barrel)

* ''[[Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood]]'' (Unable to use the shotgun barrel)

[[Category:Gun]]

[[Category:Revolver]]

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

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Kilgore: /* Spetsnaz or VDV? */

==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::If people took a drink with all that, there would be a shit load of dead twelve year olds all across the world. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
I'm more inclined to think of the "Wolverines!" level as an homage rather than a rip off, because aside from the parachuting Russians falling on suburban America, it had little if anything at all else in common with the events of Red Dawn (can any of the locales in Red Dawn even be called "suburban"?). Now, if you were playing as high-school students with AKs and your objective was to flee into the mountains, then yes, I'd consider it a rip off. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I am also an editor on serveral video game wikias and i just can't stand when some asshole fucks up every weapons page on the site because they think they know what guns just because they play this stupid game. every time a bomb goes off in this game, American youth gets more assholish. Damn you Modern Warfare 2! - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

::Who's making the remake and where? I ask because that M1 Abrams doesn't look like an Abrams to me. 6 roadwheels, not 7, and the front of the hull...looks like an old british army cheiftain to me (which are readily avaliable since they were removed from active and then reserve service in '98 and '96 respectivily)

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZOMFG, I just realized that they have pretty much omitted Aardvark from the remake. No one has been announced as 'cast' for the role. LOL his character was totally unnecessary, kinda like Darryl.
:I wouldn't say that Darryl was unnecessary. He and his father represented collaborators, or at least people who are willing to put in the least effort to maintain some semblance of the status quo. His execution demonstrated how Jed and Robert had been hardened by the conflict and now saw the world in black and white. (The original script was more Lord of the Flies-esque.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:'''You know, if you CHECKED the credits you would have answered your own question'''. That's what the actors's character is called in the final credit roll. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

== A possible edition to the section on the T-72's ==

I was reading the Wikipedia article on the movie and apparently(according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article about the film) the mock up T-72's were so realistic that when someone saw them being taken from the company that made them to the studio during pre production the CIA sent agents to the studio to find out were they came from. That is an interesting tidbit that I think would be important enough to mention in the article. But I don't want to do it without permission or without a consensus of the people who have worked on this page.

== Spetsnaz or VDV? ==

From what I've read on Cold War era Spetsnaz, they were a very secretive branch that took great care to remain anonymous, such as wearing the uniforms of other branches (such as the VDV) in the field. In light of this, are Colonel Strelnikov's soldiers supposed to be Spetsnaz in VDV uniforms or real VDV? If the former, I can't see them announcing their presence like they did in the movie; on the other hand, Millius probably didn't have all that much info on them when the movie was made.
::They were technically just dressed as Soviet Airborne infantry. Though Everyone KNEW what Spetnaz was after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In addition, and if I remember correctly, Spetsnaz teams were part of "normal" Soviet era Airborne/SF units and were detached on an as needed basis. That way, in a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, way (a la the Combat Applications Group or DEVGRU) these otherwise "normal" troopers can carry on everyday duties without drawing any undue attention. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an 80's American Movie about Commies invading America. Since we didn't ask Ivan for some props or used uniforms, we just made what we thought Americans would think is a Soviet uniform of that era. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

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Tall Tale

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'''The Following weapons were used in the movie Tall Tale'''
[[Image:Tall tale poster.jpg|thumb|250px|right|'''Theatrical release poster''']]

Starring: [[Patrick Swayze]] as Pecos Bill, [[Nick Stahl]] as Daniel Hackett, [[Scott Glenn]] as J.P. Stiles, [[Oliver Platt]] as Paul Bunyan, [[Roger Aaron Brown]] as John Henry, [[Stephen Lang]] as Jonas Hackett, and [[Catherine O'Hara]] as Calamity Jane.

== Winchester Model 1873 ==

Jonas Hackett ([[Stephen Lang]]) takes a Winchester Model 1873 rifle with him to the town meeting. Several Model 73 rifles are seen stacked on the wall at the town meeting. Jonas cocks it when he finds Daniel ([[Nick Stahl]]) and again when Stiles ([[Scott Glenn]]) and his gang arrive. Note: Having cocked it three times he has already ejected two live rounds. Most of Stiles gang members are armed with Model 73 rifles which are seen several times in the film. One of the farmers at the end is also seen with what appears to be a Model 73.
[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Winchester Model 1873 carbine - 1st generation rifle - 44-40 Cal.]]

== Double Barreled Shotgun ==

When the lighting strikes it glows the armory in the town hall where you can see a Double Barreled Shotgun to the far left. Some of the farmers at the end of the film are armed with Shotguns as well. One of Stiles ([[Scott Glenn]]) gang members is also seen with a Shotgun.
[[Image:Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|J. Stevens and Company Side by Side Shotgun (Circa 1878) exposed hammers and designed to fire Black Powder shotgun shells - 12 Gauge]]

== Henry 1860 ==

You see a Henry rifle twice in the film. First being placed on a gun rack during the town meeting which is illuminated by the lightning. Second being fired at Pecos ([[Patrick Swayze]]) and Daniel ([[Nick Stahl]]) when they try to leave the lumber plant.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]

== Merwin Hulbert ==

Pecos Bill ([[Patrick Swayze]]) carries two Merwin Hulbert revolvers as his weapon of choice in the film. He first uses them to shoot the gun out of Grub ([[John Ryan]]) hand and to shoot the trigger finger off of Zeb ([[Scott Wilson]]). He also fires at them while they run away when they inform him it's Wednesday not Sunday. Pecos later uses them to stop the saw at the lumber plant from sawing Daniel Hackett ([[Nick Stahl]]) in half. He last uses it to shoot the trigger fingers off of all of Stiles ([[Scott Glenn]]) gang members.
[[Image:MerwinHulbertPocket.jpg‎ |thumb|400px|none|Merwin, Hulbert SA First Model Frontier
Army .44MH caliber with early "humpback" hammer and shortened barrel.]]
[[Image:Tt-pecos.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|none|Pecos Bill with his two pistols. (Do those look like Merwin Hulberts? Hard to tell.)]]

== Sharps rifle ==

Grub ([[John Ryan]]) uses a Sharps rifle as his weapon of choice before having it shot out of his hand.
[[Image:Sharps 1859.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sharps 1859 Carbine - .52 caliber.]]

== Colt 1851 ==

Zeb ([[Scott Wilson]]) carries a Colt 1851 revolver as his weapon of choice before Pecos ([[Patrick Swayze]]) shoots his trigger finger off.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1851 Navy .36 caliber.]]

== Single Action Army ==

A man at the lumber plant fires a Cavalry model Single Action Army at Daniel and Pecos when they ride off together. Calamity Jane ([[Catherine O'Hara]]) carries two nickel plated SAA's as Sheriff of Liberty City. A few of Stiles gang members are also armed with single Action Armys.
[[Image:ColtSAALongBarrel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model.]]
[[Image:ColtSAA2ndGenNickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2nd Generation Colt Single Action Army w/ 7.5" barrel known as the "Cavalry" model - Nickel plated model - .45 LC]]
[[Image:Tt-jane.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|none|Jane and her pistols.]]

== Mauser C96 ==

J.P. Stiles ([[Scott Glenn]]) carries two [[Mauser C96]] pistols as his weapon of choice. He uses them to hold up and then shoot Jonas Hackett ([[Stephen Lang]]). He aims them when the gang tries to escape Liberty City but can't get a shot off because he's out of range. He also uses it when taking the dead from Daniel Hackett ([[Nick Stahl]]). He last uses it when the mine is collapsing and he fires them akimbo at Daniel.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser.]]
[[Image:Tt-glenn.jpg‎ |thumb|500px|none|You can just make out the handle of one of Stiles' C96s in his holster. Looks like ivory or pearl, and note that the hammer is cocked as well.]]

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User talk:Ben41

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==Page Making==
Two problems. You need to go on IMDb and find the correct title, and spell the title properly when you make a page. And two, actor pages do not require you to add JUST character and movies, the point of the pages is to list the guns the actor has used. IMDb already lists all the movies actors are in, so we don't (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Ben41&action=editand won't) have to. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Band of Brothers ==

Thanks for inserting information onto the page such as characters, situations, episodes, etc. It looks much more cleaned up now! [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 19:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

==U571==
Thanks for the screencaps. Just a reminder. Be sure to identify who is on screen and what they are doing in the shot. Also identify which actors used which guns. That is really important information for the individual actor's pages. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
::Excellent! Great work! Thanks! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

==Hi==

Hey, Ben,

Great work on all the screencaps and contributions you've so far, but I must insist that you try to follow format:

*(1.) Always include gun pictures along with the screencaps from the movie.
*(2.) Always make sure you link to the gun pages.

If you want to save time, you can just go to a page for another movie in which the same gun appears, and copy and paste the code from that page to save time. If I'm doing a page for a movie that has a SIG-Sauer P226, for example, I will just go to a page that has the same gun (like ''[[Air Force One]]''), copy the entry, and then change the code as needed. It's a good habit to get into, and it's important for this site's completeness and cohesion.

Thanks, and again, great work so far. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

== Thanks I'll try. ==

Thanks for the input, I'll try and include the gun pictures as well.

== Hey Ben ==
I was wondering if i could redo your page for [[Rules of Engagement]]. I dont want to step on any toes, but with your permission, I'll make it look real pretty. :) -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

If you want redo the descriptions, that's fine. I just pretty much did the screen caps. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 14 Oct 2009

==Your screencaps are too big==
Gorgeous work on the Dark Knight Blu-ray pics .... BUT ... 1925 pixels across?!?!?! 925KB sized files?!?!?!?! These MUST be shrunk down in that the original size won't be looked at full resolution anyway and they are taking up way too much space. Have you noticed how long it takes for these images to be loaded when clicking on the page? I know that some of our veteran members (and mods) sometimes upload gigantic images, but I think yours are now the biggest on the site. Please make them smaller to allow quick loading of your page. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:08, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll make sure the rest of the pics I'll upload are smaller in size, but I think the reason it's still loading slow is because the majority of the pics are still PNG's. I'm trying to replace them, but there's a lot of pictures. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 03:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

== Robocop ==

Hey, great job at improving the screencaps on the [[Robocop]] page. They look great now! -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 08:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, still a work in progress, but I really wanted to up the quality of the pics. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 08:29, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

==New Heat screencaps==
Were those taken from a Blu-ray? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

:No, these caps are from the Special Edition DVD. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, did you mess with the color? The reason I ask is the new pic you uploaded of DeNiro seems to have more grain in the pic.
[[Image:Heat-M16A2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Your pic.]]
[[Image:HT-00001.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A quick one I took]]
It's not the same exact frame but close. My DVD is the '05 Two-Disc Special Edition. Also when someone sends you a message on your talk page, you reply back on theirs. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:53, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I use the VLC too. I never tried saving them to PNG first then the JPEG. I may try that. Also I uploaded a new version of my cap. It's the same frame now. The first one I took was a little bit after. Some of the shots you took look better than others. The shot of Pacino and Studi in elevator looks great, more color.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

==The Unit==
Please tell me you're going to replace all of the older pics with your newer more awesome pics. That will motivate me to get more screen used guns for the page. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:42, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

==.PNG Images==

I have always used .PNGs in lieu of .Jpegs because, while they are bigger, they are of superior quality, especially when it comes to thumbnails. Therefore, identifying guns is easier as the images are clearer. Since the rules, standards and principles insists on space conserving .jpeg images, the Carlito's way page will probably be the last one I do using .PNGs. I decided this yesterday before you sent me this and just didn't think it was worth announcing, and the only reason the Carlito's Way images are .PNGs is because I was halfway done with doing them all when I picked up my work yesterday. Needless to say I'll conform to the rules this time, so long as the quality of the screencaps doesn't suffer too much. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 22:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

==The Problem with the Pirates pages==
Thanks for asking ahead of time :) But I hate those pages. There is little we can identify other than 'flintlock pistol, 'flintlock musket', 'flintlock blunderbuss', etc. It's crap. We can offer no other information other than what is completely obvious to the audience. Gee. Jack Sparrow uses a flintlock pistol. So what? They didn't need US to tell them that. And if we cannot identify what make, model of pistol (which is hard since so many are custom), then it is a complete waste of IMFDB server space to have the page. I'm going to go on a deletion spree for all the lame pages with no screencaps on them. It's a part of the rules and standards, that bad pages are NOT better than no pages at all. Lame pages, especially lots of them, makes us look bad. Good thing you're trying to fix a bunch of the bad existing pages. I wish more members did that rather than create endless NEW pages that are lame. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

==Aliens==
I wasn't sure if you were going to be adding anymore pics to the page. I added 3 screencaps, I have a few others that can be added too if you're finshed. I had already capped the film the same time I uploaded the behind the scenes images. Which was at the end of Nov. but I didn't get off my ass and upload them so you beat me to it. Which is no big deal.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

==Stargate==
:I've noticed that the screencaps that you upload are much brighter/clearer than mine -are you using Blu Ray? --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

==The Interpreter==

[[Image:Henry US Survival.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry US Survival .22 LR with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope]]

The rifle you see in this picture is the exact same one that was used in ''[[The Interpreter]]''. I got the picture from the web site of Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York, which is the company that supplied the weapons to the production. So it's a safe bet that this exact gun is the one from the movie. You can see it's the same configuration and everything. This same gun was also used in ''[[Lord of War]]'' (another movie for which Weapons Specialists supplied guns).

Also, the AK rifle in the movie is an AK-47, not an AKM (and most likely, it's a converted Poly Tech Legend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

== White Hunter Black Heart ==

I'm into double rifles. Hope you weren't offended by my post on the discussion page, but it's fairly common for folks to mistake a double rifle for a double shotgun.I used to until a few years ago whne I set out to educate myself.Unfortunately it's all book learning. Personally I would love to own a double rifle - even a German double. But the German rifles start at $10,000 and go up to $20,000. The British doubles start at approximately $70,000 and go as high as $250,000. *Sigh*

I have the soul of a snob and the bank account of a working class joe. Oh well. The page looks good by the way.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 06:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

==Last Samurai==
WOW! Great work on the replacement screenshots!!!!!! are those Blu-ray? Stunning! Now I need to secretly ask you to fix some of the popular (but poorly screencapped) pages ;) nudge nudge wink wink ..... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:41, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::BTW, per IMFDB rules, you can replace existing screenshots with your much superior widescreenshots. Some of the pages you've worked on, you seem hesitant to replace the crappier pics. By ALL MEANS replace the crappier pics! Great screenshots are a wonder to behold. Like [[Eraser]], i hope you can replace the full screen caps. No one can complain. The rules say that Widescreen are preferable to fullscreen. :) Also, do you check the forum? I was hoping to PM you there. Send me a PM there so I can reply to it. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
==Extreme Prejudice==
Thanks for redoing those caps. Gunmaster45 uploaded them for me before I knew I how to do them myself. Also I had figured Atwater's pistol was a Smith & Wesson 39, not a Commander. But I couldn't tell enough from my cap. Since you redid it, it's clear. I really need to start messing with the colors on the VLC payer like you talked about. I pretty sure there is only one dvd version of Extreme Prejudice. Also there is an M60 used by the cartel in the final shootout that I missed. I think they are killed by Atwater. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:22, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:S&W39-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 39-2 9x19mm]]
[[Image:EP-ColtCommander-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sgt. Buck Atwater puts down his Smith & Wesson Model 39 after the car is wrecked while fleeing the bank robbery.]]
Alright you must a magic setting when it comes to adjusting the colors on the VLC. I was able to make them better that what it was but still not as sharp.
[[Image:EP-S&W629-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|old stock settings]]
[[Image:DS-00029.jpg|thumb|none|450px|my new one with adjusted settings]]
[[Image:DS-00031.jpg|thumb|none|450px|mine adjusted]]
[[Image:EP-Win92SRC-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|yours.]]
What adjustment am I missing? --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
==VLC setting==
Deinterlace? Where is that at? I didn't see it in Video effects. I messed with the gamma some. Maybe I need to use it more instead of brightness. What about hue and contrast also? Thanks for your help on this. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:Edit found Deinterlace. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::Man I tried to get the adjustments right. I give up. Have fun doing the rest of the Extreme Prejudice page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:49, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

==Burn Notice==
Your Burn Notice stuff is looking fantastic! Great screen caps and information, keep it up! --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

:Yeah, you've really filled out the page. It was a mess before you started working on it, but now it looks a lot better. I was actually planning to do some work on it for a while, but your screencaps are much higher-quality than mine, and so far, it's coming out great anyway. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hi and thanx...==
Thanks for your comments, I appreciate it and from now on will do screencaps with VLC... :)
But if you're referring to the [[Universal Soldier: Regeneration]] screencaps, I am not the one responsible for those ones... I'm just now gonna upload my screencaps and remove those ols trailer caps... [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
==HD and MM quotes==
You forgot, so I added it.

@@@
'''Marlboro Man ([[Don Johnson]]): '''Guns are made to be shot Harley, not thrown. -- ''[[Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man]]''

HD: You're gonna get shot up here.

MM: Well you're gonna get smashed down there!

HD: Hey man I'd rather get smashed than shot.

MM: Not me!

Another one of my favorites, not sure if it would work on the main page.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 05:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hi, you need to categorize your pic uploads==
Great job, but when you upload screenshots, you need to put in the Category in double brackets and then put in 'screenshots'. Check out how other screenshots are 'categorized'. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== RE Screencaps ==

Yeah the program I have been using is not the best, and I could not change aspect ratio settings for some reason. I just downloaded the VLC player that you wrote about on your main page. I will try using it and if it works out fine then Ill probably go back and rescreencap pages Ive don in wide screen. --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 21:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

==Don't change the Categorization of the Batman movies==
Those were done so that the movies will appear in the order they were made. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
::I checked the page edit history. You were the one who changed the "Category: Movie | Batman 2" etc to just "Category:Movie". Don't do that. the Batman 2,3,4, etc. was done intentionally so that the titles sorted by their cinematic order, not by pure alphabetical order. We did the same thing to the blade Series of movies. Done purely by alphabetical sorting, Blade Trinity would be listed AHEAD of the first Blade movie rather than third. Hope that helps, but these specific page edits were done for a specific reason. thanks for your cooperation. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 10:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Marked for Death==

I'm glad to see someone is doing a page for this movie!

That being said, Hatcher's 1911 in the movie is not an SVI (I don't think those even existed when the movie was made). We had a topic about this in the forum, but the 1911 in the movie is a Federal Ordnance PSP-07. It's mentioned in the credits for the movie. Check out the forum topic here:

http://www.imfdb.org/forum/showthread.php?t=853

Also, the H&K automatic weapon used by Hatcher is not an HK53 (in fact, it's not even a .223-caliber weapon, if you look at the magazine). It is called the "HK51K", and it's a custom G3 conversion done by Bill Fleming, a Class III manufacturer.

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

==Enhanced image request==
Could you enhance this image from Dirty Harry. The reason I ask is to better see the magnum markings. This one guy keeps changing it to a Model 57 a 41 magnum. It looks like it reads 44 magnum on the barrel. But an enhanced image would make it read better. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DH1S&W25-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This close up is at the end of the film.]]

Thanks. I have the newer box set too. But you usually have a way of making them appear a little bit better. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Pacific ==
So, where did you get access to those high resolution screencaps?--[[Special:Contributions/189.34.128.142|189.34.128.142]] 19:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The trailers are available on Youtube HD. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 22:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== The Eiger Sanction ==
I'v made a couple changes. Hemlock is actually using a [[Smith & Wesson Model 40]] and not a Model 49 Bodyguard. Also the henchman is using hwat appears to be a snubby [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] instead of the [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] snubbie. If you look closely at the screencap you will notice no adjustable sights. The revolver appears to have fixed or duty sights which would make it the Model 10. Also I went ahead and listed the weapons used by Hemlock on [[Clint Eastwood]] 's page. And also showed on the respective firearms pages. But nevertheless it's good work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

==Great work on Waterworld==
I hope you finish the page. :) There are many dressed up guns in that movie. Alas, most of the weapons were changed back after the movie was over, but I can see what I can get from Syd Stembridge regarding what guns still exist that appeared in that movie. Thanks [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
==EP==
Since you're still in the process of replacing images, could you replace the one below?
[[Image:EP-MAC10-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:EP-M16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
With the guy above firing a MAC-10. Don't really need two images back to back with Clancy Brown. Thanks. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:28, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== Richard Attenborough Page ==
thanks for upgrading it. I had run out of time and had to go to work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

== Quigly Poster ==

I like the image of the movie poster. Nice. Really added to the page. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

== RE ==
I actually created disambiguation pages for CSI and Delta Force to make page navigation easier. I will try to make as many such pages I can, since unlike Wikipedia, page navigation needs a lot of improvement because sometimes even if we type the proper page name in the search box, we get the result not found.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 10:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Actor's Pages ==

Thanks for the heads up, Ben. I agree that the pages look ''much'' better in the table format, but I've seen several different examples on different pages in terms of what column is which, so I figured I'd leave them in the basic format. However, it seems that now we've reached a more streamlined pattern (such as on the page you alerted me to), so I'll be sure to follow that from then on. On a side note, all of your pages look great, the screencaps are very sharp! Nice work! --[[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 00:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
==Writing spoilers==
On the [[A Perfect Getaway]] page it would hard to write what's going on without spoiling anything. GM45 came up with this on the [[Se7en]] page and I have used it on several pages.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Seven-SAM1911-A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Write spoiler text here.]]

== New Format ==
Sure I can do that. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

==Actor page response==
Sorry, but I'm not that familiar with that format. I know enough about it to modify and add to pages already using that template but have never created one from scratch. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==New pages==
Hey, Ben41! :) You're an awesome screencapper and page fixer, but, please, don't create multiple new pages with no screen caps. At least have some of the graphics ready to roll BEFORE the page is rolled out. Creating new pages with no screenshots or graphics inspires other (less capable page makers) to create scads of new empty pages with only gun listings. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:BTW I have 100% confidence that '''you''' will populate the page with great caps, but the worry is that others will do the first part and not the second part. thanks.

==We Were Soldiers==
I love your HD screencaps. And I know that you have the discipline to put in an appropriate number of screencaps. Heck you can replace even the ones I put in. LOL. It's all about the quality of the pics and the page. I'm just trying to get rid of the full screen caps which I dislike. Anyway, I know you're busy so I started working on the page - it being one of the most VIEWED pages on IMFDB. Did you notice I added more SCREEN USED hero guns to the page? ;) I can probably get more in the future when I have time. I just have to check with Mike Papac as to what guns were used on the production (but that takes time and checking records, etc.). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

==Thanks for the help on WWS==
Your screencaps look awesome. A little favor though. We're trying to keep the screencaps from between 7-10 per section. I was going to cull the XM16 page, but since you did an awesome job of replacing the full screen shots, I was hoping you would do the honors. A big criticism of the page when it was done earlier was the overuse of screenshots (the XM16 page had 33 screencaps at one point). Thanks again for your great work on the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== User: 99.12.124.133 ==

I sent him a final warning, if he doesn't listen this time, he's gone for good. By the way, excellent work replacing screencaps all over IMFDB with much better ones, you have improved many pages on here alot. Keep up the good work, and let me know if you need anything.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 23:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Thanks for the comments ==

Sure, I'll delete them when you start.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Virtuosity==

Hey, Ben, good work on ''[[Virtuosity]]'', but I have a question. Do you have screenshots of the following characters/weapons from the movie:

* Denzel Washington gets an H&K USP from a transport guard and uses it later in the movie.

* A bunch of the police officers in the movie also use the Beretta 92F, especially at the club.

* One of the terrorists in the flashback sequence is armed with an M16-type rifle, I think an M16A1 with A2-style hand guards (can't tell).

If you don't mind grabbing these screencaps, I'd appreciate it. It would complete the page. Gracias. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks! Also, I think the subguns used in the movie may be [[Walther MPL]] or MPK, not Franchi LF-57s (I started a discussion about it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Some Last of the Mohicans guns==
Hey there. Glad to see how much work you've done on the page. :) I had some pics of some of the background muskets (used by civilians and indians) that were 'rescued' from the production by one of the gunsmiths I knew who worked on the picture. As you know, the vast majority of the guns were destroyed during the filming (the stuntmen pretty much used their muskets as clubs in most of the fight scenes) and over 400 Brown Bess muskets were destroyed. I have a pic of two background guns. Is there any screenshot which may have these in them? I know they were for background people. One is a modern repro of a common commercial flintlock firearm of the time period, the other is known as a trade gun, i.e. a lesser quality flintlock that had less parts and craftsmanship, developed specifically for trade with the Indians (i.e. they let the 'locals' get the more cheaply made muskets). Anyway, just wondering if you thought we should add this to your excellent page.
[[Image:LastOfMohicans Musket2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Last of the Mohicans background screen musket]]
[[Image:LastOfMohicans Trade Musket.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Last of the Mohicans background screen musket - fortress siege scene only]]

Thanks [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::Actually those were real firing muskets (modern replicas) of civilian muskets, so they were issued to the Colonists volunteers to represent 'private purchase' weapons of the civilians. The Trade muskets were issued to allied Indians to the British Army as they were the 18th century equivalent of 'lend lease' to friendly Indian tribes. They were indeed fired. All non-firing guns were rubber. The reason why so many guns were destroyed was that after 2 weeks of filming a lot of the actors and stuntmen and background extras were really banging on each other with the guns as clubs during the many days of 'hand to hand fighting' filming. I suspect the filmmakers expected this since the production '''purchased''' the muskets, they didn't rent the majority of them, except for select hero guns. Thanks. So the info on the movie page isn't quite right. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:05, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Wild Geese II ==

Thanks for adding to this page, ive been looking for stuff on that Safari Arms pistol for so long now. Do you plan to add screencaps?--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 21:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

==Kuffs==
I noticed you did the caps for Kuffs. Do you still have the movie? A quote could be added to the template. Slater says something like "I need a really big gun that holds lots of bullets" The gun clerk explains the Beretta and Slater says he'll take two. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

==House==
The Glock Eleas Koteas holds has a rail so it's a 3rd gen, but also Koteas has big hands. Do you think the gun looks like a .45 cap? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 12:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

== Re: 24 - Season 5 ==
I'm still working on 24 - Season 5. Unlike most users I don't submit or save my work until it's completely done but I'll just save the first 8 episodes now that your asking. I've been stuck on Kalashnikov variants in the first 4 episodes that's why i haven't finished yet. - [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 14:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

:Those black sidebars only occur during the first 3 episodes. I think those are caused by the DVDs since I am using VLC Media Player. As you could see I've decided to finish up [[24 - Season 5|Season 5]] since someone already have been posting low res screencaps and not leaving much detail like I did in [[24 - Season 7|Season 7]]. Can you help identifying the AK Variants when I'm done with episode 4. I think if I do one episode per day so I could get much more done. I can't make the caps any brighter since they've already been sitting in My Pictures for 3 months. But I look forward to doing seasons 4, 6, and 8. - [[User:HKFan|HKFan]] 22:26, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==RoboCop==
Do you plan on adding any more caps to it? Emil Antonowsky ([[Paul McCrane]]) uses the Ithca 37 to shoot Murphy in the warehouse and some shots of him could be added. I have the dvd and can add them, but if you're still working on the page. I'll let you take care of it.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah looks like a TEC-9 mini.
[[Image:TEC-9Mini.jpg|thumb|none|215px|Intratec TEC-9 Mini with barrel shroud removed - 9x19mm]]

Also some more shots of Kurtwood with his "Sidewinder" would be good too and some with his Desert Eagle. Also a shot of Ronny Cox with the Desert Eagle at the end.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:08, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

==Missing In Action==

Hey Ben,
I was screencapping [[Missing In Action]]. Unfortunatly i didn't finish before you started adding screencaps.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks, The one computer i have that can do screencaps sucks but I really do need to learn how to properly use VCl. After Missing in Action I was going to do Delta Force 2 and the the rutger Hauer film Wanted Dead or Alive.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
::My computer is chokeing up on VCL. if you have any more Missing In action images post them. I was also going to do Delta Force 2 but given my limitations that's out for now.[[Special:Contributions/69.232.200.58|69.232.200.58]] 04:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Crossing Over==

Yeah, I was gonna say...rapid turn-around! Anyway, now that I've seen the ones you uploaded, they're of better quality than mine, so I'd rather leave it to you (plus, it ensures that the quality will be consistent). That sound good? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== A-Team Page episode titles ==

I do not know what is standart procedure, but should the episode titles be in italics or in quotation marks? I personally prefer italics. It looks better. -[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I will go through the article and change the titles. Thanks for the answer! -[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

==PNGs replaced with JPGs==
I reuploaded the images as jpgs with proper tags, but how would I go about deleting the pngs? --[[User:Damaku250|Damaku250]] 19:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

==The film page template==
I noticed that you changed the template for [[The American]]. That template has an interesting history. I've never used it because I was one of the early ones who didn't like that formatting change. Some users created a template that had the poster line BELOW the summary line amongst other slight changes. There was no consensus. I think just one person came up with it and used it. But I always did it the way that Bunni did it. The majority of the site was Bunni's way. But ever since one of the Mods made their own 'user's template' people have started changing pages to conform with it, which I never agreed with. Just letting you know, as a mod, I've always been changing them back to the original style from when the site first began. I still think the poster should be aligned top most and to the upper rightmost corner of the page to start with, which means the poster image line should be first on the page, just because that's the way 90% of the site was when it first started and I thought it looked best. Just thought I'd give you some of the interesting background history, (and why most of the pages which I work on are changed to that way, moreso if I did all the work on the page, which I did NOT on [[The American]] which is someone else's page. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::Since you started the page and put all the screencaps up, I defer to your preference. :) Which is what I said previously, but on my pages I prefer the old style. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
==Jesse Ventura==
I'm not one to trust Wikipedia. Ventura might have served in Vietnam, but is said not to have saw actual combat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Ventura#Navy_career Otherwise I would have included him when I wrote up the Richard Chaves page. I was wanting to do more research into Ventura's military career. Ventura is a veteran though.

Also before I build an actor page I search their name before I build the article, take Melanie Griffith she also used a SIG P230 in Season 3 of Miami Vice.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

cont...

I thinking the wording Chaves' page should be: "Best known for his role as Poncho in Predator, Richard served in the Army's 101st Airborne Division, he is one of two actors in the film that served in the Vietnam War. The other being Jesse Ventura who served in the Navy's UDT."

Alt wording could be "Best known for his role as Poncho in Predator, Richard served in the Army's 101st Airborne Division, he is one of two actors in the film that are Vietnam veterans. The other being Jesse Ventura who served in the Navy's UDT." Or if you can think of better wording, go for it. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

==Miami Vice vs 24==
I'm going to wrap up season four of Vice probably next week. Then I'll get started on season five. When that gets finished we'll be able to do an accurate count on the total number of different guns used. You can go ahead do a count on 24 if you want and see where it's at. Also don't just add the number of guns per season together. A Beretta 92FS counts once not eight times. If we did that 24 would be at 234 and Miami Vice would be at 195 currently with a season and a half to go. I think Vice was at 100+ different guns before the page was split into seasons. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Reupping a-team image ==

It´ll have to wait till Friday. I´ll get it done then.--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry for the delay. Was away for longer then I expected. The [[A-Team%2C_The#Ruger_Mini_14_Stainless_version_with_Folding_stock|image]] has been replaced. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

==Cherry 2000==
You're doing great work but you're doing too many pages at one time. I clicked on one of the images you uploaded for the film a few weeks back. It was Ben Johnson holding a SAA (I'll always remember him from The Wild Bunch), I checked the paged today it wasn't on there. I went through your uploads and found it along with another that had Brion James with a Winchester 1897. I put them on the page. You may want check your other films and see if any images are missing. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Kingdom ==

Any specific reason why you reverted the close-up of Sykes with the 91? And the one of the MP5? Your over-brightened (and sorta yellow-ish) shots aren't exactly better. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

: I personally cant see the point of using your 91 pic over the new one. It´s more detailed and you get to see the stock fully. Though in retrospective reverting the MP5 picture was a good idea indeed. And the whole .png to .jpg thing isn´t necessary for me. I own Photoshop, so I can regulate the quality of my .jpg´s fully (which is also the reason why all my uploads until yesterday were so big, I only started to use lower compression then)..--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

VLC never made it darker for me. Are you sure that you have the video effects off? It might also simply be your screen. The brightness differs heavily between different models (there´s a massive gap between my laptop and my gaming rig in terms of contrast). --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:58, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Good Work ==
You're doing good work. Remember to link the movies to the guns or is that link the guns to the movies. Nevertheless keep it up. Thanks for the help.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Using Photoshop ==

Sounds overly complicated to me. I take the caps, work up the quality a bit, resize and save with quality compression 10. It works well enough. Though I am open to any kind of advice. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

: I was planning on redoing those, but lost interest that very same day. You can redo them if you want. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

== Jesse Stone ==
Yes but I have no definite timetable. If you want to do it go for it. My ego won't be bruised. On the other hand you suck for updating [[Fort Apache, The Bronx]]. LOL. I've been planning on doing an upgrade, but I was going to borrow my father's DVD and I'm not going to be seeing him until October. But perhaps I'll see if I can get some screencaps to add at that time. As you probably noticed I've been tinkering with that page over the past couple years. It needs some work. Good job. And you are welcome. Also right back at you. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Not a problem. And yes I've read that there is another Stone movie coming out this year. I believe they've already filmed it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==Admin==

Hey, Ben, the thought just occurred to me...you are WAY overdue for an Administrator position offer. Have any of the other Admins offered you the position yet? You've been doing a lot of work on this site for a long time, so I think you've earned it. If you want the job, I will gladly email Bunni and ask him to promote you. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Guess we're getting promoted. ==

I've been invited as well. I put your name in, but it looks like somebody beat me to it. Congrats.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== All hail ==

our new Ben41 admin overlord. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 16:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

== Carnosaur 3 ==

Okay, [[Carnosaur 3: Primal Species|it's]] been taken care of. How's it look now? I've also added a section about two pistols that have been at the beginning and end of the movie, I really can't tell what the are, but I think they either are:

#[[Glock|Glock 17]]
#[[Beretta 92 pistol series|M9]]
#[[Taurus PT92]]
#[[M1911A1]]

Here's the pictures of the pistols:
[[Image:Carnosaur3DolanPistol.jpg|200px]]
[[Image:Carnosaur3HodgesPistol.jpg|200px]]

==BTW - a belated Congratulations on your promotion to Mod==
Now you will have to fight the trolls/idiots/fanboys even MORE! hahahahaha(evil laugh). Congratulations!!!! MPM

== Thanks man ==

Thanks for fixing the page I created. Sorry that it wasn't up to scratch. I was just surprised that no-one else had made the page in the three years since the movies release. Appreciate it. (Gunmaster12)--[[User:Gunmaster12|Gunmaster12]] 04:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
==Lame actor pages==
I would have just deleted them. Maybe then he would get the message. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Apocalypse Now Trivia ==

I did see the documentary, but that was about four years ago, so my memory may be wrong. Also, I've never really been much on spelling and grammar (my english teachers will tell you). - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Apocalypse Now Trivia ==

I did see the documentary, but that was about four years ago, so my memory may be wrong. Also, I've never really been much on spelling and grammar (my english teachers will tell you). - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Ben41

2010-08-16T21:32:13Z

Kilgore: /* Re: Apocalypse Now Trivia */ new section

Sin City

2010-08-15T23:24:25Z

Kilgore: /* Smith & Wesson Model 29 */

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[Sin City]]'''''
[[Image:SC-Poster.jpg|right|thumb|260px|''[[Sin City]]'' (2005)]]

__TOC__ 
== Springfield Armory M1911A1 ==
The [[M1911 pistol series|M1911A1]] is one of the most frequently used handguns in the film (mainly Springfield Armory models, which are clearly seen on the slides of the guns). At the beginning of the film, The Man ([[Josh Hartnett]]) uses a G.I. model fitted with a sound-suppressor to kill a woman. Marv ([[Mickey Rourke]]) also packs a G.I. model, which he affectionately named "Gladys", after a nun in his catholic school. Apparently he took the gun from a guy he killed at school based on the line "I stole her off the toughest guy I ever messed with, back in school. He was dead at the time, so he didn't miss her." -(graphic novel Sin City: The Hard Goodbye"). Det. Jack "Jackie Boy" Rafferty ([[Benicio del Toro]]) packs a single G.I. model with Pearl grips and Dwight McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]) carries two matching Mil-specs with ivory grips (They look to be GI's, the slide serrations are straight up and down, not agled foward like mil-specs). Along with all of them, several random extras such as thugs and Old Town prostitutes are seen with M1911A1s as well.

[[Image:SpringfieldArmoryM1911A1stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 1911 PISTOL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield Armory M1911A1 mil-spec stainless - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by [[Benicio del Toro|Benico Del Toro]] as Detective Jack Rafferty - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SC-1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''The Salesman'' ([[Josh Hartnett]]) with a silenced [[1911|M1911A1]].]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv ([[Mickey Rourke]]) retrieves his Springfield Armory G.I. Model M1911A1, nicknamed "Gladys", from under his bed in his mom's house. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv gets re-acquainted with "Gladys". (extended cut).]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv kills the hitman with "Gladys".]]
[[Image:SC-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv uses "Gladys" to interrogate the corrupt Priest ([[Frank Miller]]).]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv shoots the Priest with "Gladys".]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv readies "Gladys" as Wendie tries to run him over.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv retrieves "Gladys" after escaping from the Rourk farm prison.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marv drops Gladys after being knocked out by Lucille ([[Carla Gugino]]), Marv's parole officer.]]
[[Image:IMFDBCarlaGuginoSC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lucille with Gladys before being gunned down.]]
[[Image:SC-Gladys.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Gladys" is shown as Marv checks his inventory.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The stainless Springfield Armory M1911A1 used by Benico Del Toro as Detective Jack Rafferty in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SC-1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Jack "Jackie Boy" Rafferty ([[Benicio del Toro]]) packs a single M1911A1.]]
[[Image:SC-1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Old Town prostitute is seen armed with an ivory gripped M1911A1 when Rafferty and Dwight enter the town.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The matching pair of Springfield Armory M1911A1s used by Clive Owen as Dwight McCarthy in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SC-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dwight McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]) carries a pair of Springfield Armory M1911A1s.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Det. Rafferty points his M1911A1 at Beckie ([[Alexis Bledel]]).]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miho ([[Devon Aoki]]) severs Rafferty's hand, which is still holding his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rafferty pries open the fingers of his severed hand with his teeth to retrieve his M1911A1, which was Del Toro's idea.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rafferty points his M1911A1 at Miho.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miho throws a muzzle plug into Rafferty's M1911A1.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The plug clearly enters Rafferty's M1911A1. If it could clearly enter the barrel from being thrown in, it is doubtful it is in tight enough to cause the gun to backfire.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The slide rips off the frame of Rafferty's M1911A1, although the hammer stays down even though the slide just flew back.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The slide flies back into Rafferty's forehead, although this is completly impossible due to the design of the pistol.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dwight readies his G.I. (not a milspec, the slide serrations are running vertically, the milspecs are angled foward. looks to be a modified GI because of the lowered ejection port) M1911A1 as the officer inspects Rafferty's dead body.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dwight points his M1911A1 at the bomber, unaware he is standing on a bomb trap.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dwight fires his M1911A1s akimbo at Manute and his men in the alleyway.]]
[[Image:SCM1911A1-21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Schulz and this thug are pinned together by Miho's sword, one armed with an M1911A1. Based on the external extractor, this could be a replica or a [[Star Model B]]. (extended cut).]]

== Micro Uzi ==

The ''Painted Cop'' ([[Ryan Rutledge]]) brings a squad armed, like himself, with [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]]s to take out Marv ([[Mickey Rourke]]) at the Roark's farm. We later see both an ''Old Town'' prostitute and an IRA mercenary with Micro Uzis.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi with 30 rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:SC-Micro-Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ''Painted Cop'' ([[Ryan Rutledge]]) and his squad, armed with 9mm Micro Uzis.]]
[[Image:SC-Micro-Uzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An IRA mercenary fires a pair of Micro Uzis at Dwight McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]).]]
[[Image:SCMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Schulz holds Beckie with a Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:SCMicrouzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two officers approach Hartigan with Micro Uzis before being killed.]]

== IMI Uzi ==

Gail's ([[Rosario Dawson]]) weapon of choice is a full size 9mm [[Uzi|IMI Uzi]]. The police guarding Cardinal Roark's ([[Rutger Hauer]]) home also carry IMI Uzis.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]
[[Image:SC-Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer armed with a IMI Uzi outside Cardinal Roark's ([[Rutger Hauer]]) home.]]
[[Image:SC-Uzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gail ([[Rosario Dawson]]) holds an Uzi to Dwight McCarthy's ([[Clive Owen]]) head.]]
[[Image:SCUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Get that gun outta my face or I'm gonna smack you."]]
[[Image:SCUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gail puts out her mini-cigar with her Uzi on the table.]]
[[Image:SCUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the mercanaries dies with her Uzi in hand.]]
[[Image:SCUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gail fires her Uzi at Manute and his men in the alleyway.]]
[[Image:SCUzi-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gail fires her Uzi.]]
[[Image:SCUzi-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gail with her Uzi.]]

== Beretta 92FS (mocked up as M93R Auto 9) ==

Douglas Klump ([[Rick Gomez]]) is the first we see with a [[Beretta 93R#Beretta 93R Auto 9|Beretta M93R Auto 9]]. Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) later takes Klump's Beretta M93R Auto 9 and kills a cop with it at the Roark's farm. Close inspection of the slide reveals a decocking safety of a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]], while a genuine M93R has a frame mounted safety, meaning this gun is a 92FS mocked up as an Auto 9. This was a deliberate reference to the ''[[RoboCop]]'' series.

[[Image:BerettaAuto9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta 93R|Beretta M93R Auto 9]] 9mm]]
[[Image:SC-Beretta-M93.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Klump ([[Rick Gomez]]) points his Beretta M93R Auto 9 at Hartigan.]]
[[Image:SCAuto9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Klump smacks a magazine into his Auto 9 as he prepares to pick up Hartigan in the hotel. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:SC-Beretta-M93-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan takes Klump's Auto 9 for himself.]]
[[Image:SCAuto9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan fires the Auto 9. Note the famous muzzle flash.]]
[[Image:SCAuto9-Blackhawk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan fires the Auto 9 akimbo along with a Ruger Blackhawk.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
Roark Jr. a.k.a. Yellow Bastard ([[Nick Stahl]]) packs a [[Beretta M92F|Beretta 92FS]] when he follows Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) to Kady's Bar and then fires it at Hartigan and Nancy ([[Jessica Alba]]) as they try to escape in her car.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm.]]
[[Image:SC-Beretta-92.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yellow Bastard ([[Nick Stahl]]) makes his Beretta 92FS very clear to Hartigan, who says in his thoughts, "I have to get that Beretta away from him somehow, and kill him."]]
[[Image:SC92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yellow Bastard fires his 92FS at Hartigan and Nancy.]]
[[Image:SC92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yellow Bastard fires his 92FS.]]
[[Image:SC92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Yellow Bastard's 92FS locks back empty (which due to the lack of a muzzle flash, sends the slide back without a gunshot.)]]
[[Image:SC92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|YB drops his 92FS when Hartigan shoots him in the throat with a well aimed shot.]]

== SPAS-12 ==

One of the IRA mercenaries that comes after Dwight McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]) at ''The Pits'' carries a [[SPAS 12|SPAS-12]].
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 with stock folded and butt-hook removed - 12 ga]]
[[Image:SC-SPAS-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An IRA mercenary at ''The Pits'' with a SPAS-12.]]
[[Image:SCSPAS-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mercanary tries to fire his SPAS-12 at Dwight before being killed.]]

== Steyr AUG ==

The IRA mercenary that shoots McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]) from the T-Rex uses a [[Steyr AUG]]. Later when they find the bullet in Rafferty's badge, the bullet is far too large to be a 5.56mm.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:SC-Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The IRA mercenary holding his freshly fired Steyr AUG A1.]]
[[Image:SCSteyrAUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Bloody hell... it's the bullet."]]

== Intratec TEC-9 ==

When Dwight McCarthy ([[Clive Owen]]) packs the mob into the twisted alleyway prostitutes open up with [[Intratec TEC-DC9|Intratec TEC-9s]].
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9mm]]
[[Image:SCTEC9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Old Town prostitute fires her TEC-9 at the mobsters below. Note the sling rings, which a TEC-DC9 lacks.]]
[[Image:SCTEC9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another prostitute fires her TEC-9, which appears to a be post-production edit. Note how she rests her thumb on the bolt, which would be cycling in reality.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 29 ==

In the beginning of the film, Detective Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] .44 magnum to rescue the young Nancy Callahan ([[Makenzie Vega]]), and also uses it to blow Roark Jr. ([[Nick Stahl]]) apart. Frank Miller made Hartigan use a .44 magnum as an ode to Dirty Harry and felt [[Dead Pool, The|the 5th film]] was a bad way to end the series, so he made this as his Dirty Harry. Note how Nancy's last name is "Callahan." Despite being a lefty in real life, Bruce Willis was nice enough to fake being a righty shooter for the film to stay faithful to the comics.
[[Image:S&W29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:SC-Hartigan.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) draws his Smith & Wesson Model 29.]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of Hartigan's Model 29.]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan blows away the twin thugs with his Model 29, which unrealistically sends them flying.]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Roark! Let the girl go..."]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan blows off Roark Jr.'s ear with his Model 29.]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan prepares to shoot Roark again.]]
[[Image:SCS&W29-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan blows off Roark's arm with his Model 29.]]

== Colt Python ==

In the beginning of the film, Bob ([[Michael Madsen]]) shoots his partner, Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) with a [[Colt Python]] in the back and chest in fear of the Roark family's wrath. Marv's parole officer Lucille ([[Carla Gugino]]) also packs a [[Colt Python]], but hers is a snub nosed version. A hitman holds a Colt Python to Marv's back in Katie's Bar, and an Old Town prostitute can also be seen wielding one. Strangely Bob fires 8 shots out of his six shot Python.
[[Image:Colt-Python.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Python - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:SC-Bob.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Bob ([[Michael Madsen]]) shoots Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) with a Colt Python.]]
[[Image:SC-Topless.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lucille ([[Carla Gugino]]) pulls out her Colt Python snub when she hears Marv enter her apartment...okay, as if you're really looking at her gun.]]
[[Image:SCColtpython-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Show's over, dickwad." A hitman holds his Colt Python to Marv's back in Katie's Bar.]]
[[Image:SC-Rev-4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An Old Town prostitute with a Colt Python.]]

==Colt Defender==
During the scene where Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) is in a hospital room and Senator Roark ([[Powers Boothe]]) is telling him how he'll pay for shooting Roark Jr. ([[Nick Stahl]]), Senator Roark can be seen with a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Defender|Colt Defender]] (a 3" 1911, if you look closely you can see the Colt "Ponies" on the slide before and after the words "Colt Defender"). It is clearly too small to be an Officers ACP or a Kimber as it was previously listed.

[[Image:ColtDefenderM1911.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Defender (compact M1911) - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SC-Roark.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"Power doesn't come from a badge, or a ''gun''. Power comes from ''lying''..."]]
[[Image:SCOfficersACP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roark readies his Colt Defender.]]
[[Image:SCOfficersACP-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I could pump you full of bullets right now and I wouldn't even be ''arrested''. Everyone would lie for me. Everyone who ''matters''..."]]

== Ruger Blackhawk ==

When Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) returns from being in prison for eight years and meets up with the now nineteen year old Nancy Callahan ([[Jessica Alba]]), she gives him a stainless steel [[Ruger Blackhawk]] which he uses to shoot Roark Jr. a.k.a. Yellow Bastard ([[Nick Stahl]]) in the throat, and to kill a cop while going to rescue Nancy at the Roark family farm. Nancy herself wears a pair of stainless Ruger Blackhawks and some old town prostitutes are seen with them, noticeably Dallas the black masked Prostitute ([[Patricia Vonne]]).
[[Image:RugerBlackhawk44magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Blackhawk - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:SC-Rev-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Dallas with one of her Ruger Blackhawks.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dallas (sans mask) with her Ruger Blackhawks drawn before being sadly mowed down by an IRA mercenary.]]
[[Image:NancyCallahanSinCity.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nancy Callahan ([[Jessica Alba]]) armed with a pair of stainless Ruger Blackhawks in a promotional image.]]
[[Image:SC-Rev-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hartigan pulls a Ruger Blackhawk from under the seat of Nancy's car.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan takes aim at Yellow Bastard with his Ruger Blackhawk.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up on the Ruger Blackhawk as Hartigan takes aim.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up on the muzzle as Hartigan fires the Ruger Blackhawk.]]
[[Image:SCAuto9-Blackhawk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan fires the Ruger Blackhawk along with a Beretta M93R Auto 9 at officers on Roark's farm.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan tricks YB into thinking he is too weak to lift his Ruger Blackhawk so he can get close and stab him.]]
[[Image:SCBlackhawk-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan commits suicide with his Ruger Blackhawk.]]

== Colt Detective Special ==

In the beginning of the film, Detective Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) packs a [[Colt Detective Special]] in an ankle holster as his "Spare Rod". He attempts to use it when he is shot several times by his partner, Bob ([[Michael Madsen]]), but is only shot again when he attempts to pull it out.

[[Image:Colt_detective_spl_1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:SC-Hartigan-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Hartigan reaches for his "Spare Rod" in his ankle holster.]]

== Walther P22 ==

The first [[Walther P22]] we see is in the hand of an Old Town prostitute, which is tutone with a compensator [Called the P22T or Target]. The next one we see is the one that Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) takes from Shlubb ([[Nick Offerman]]) which is also tutone and is seen being affixed with a suppressor by Shlubb when going to pick up Hartigan. Hartigan's [[Walther P22]] is notably seen while it's on the the seat of the stolen Ferrari next to Klump's ([[Rick Gomez]]) [[Beretta 93R#Beretta 93R Auto 9|Beretta M93R Auto 9]].

[[Image:WaltherP22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Walther P22 with stainless steel slide - .22 LR.]]
[[Image:SC-Sig.jpg|thumb|600px|none|An Old Town prostitute with a Walther P22, which is tutone with a compensator and a laser device.]]
[[Image:SCWaltherP22-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Schlubb threads a suppressor on his Walther P22 when going to pick up Hartigan. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:SC-Beretta-M93-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hartigan keeps Schlubb's Walther P22 on the seat of the stolen Ferrari along with Klump's Auto 9. It is confusing why Hartigan would resort to the stiletto knife when he clearly has a sound suppressed gun to use.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Manute's henchman Stuka ([[Nicky Katt]]) packs a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] with rubber grips. ''I think Stuka's gun is a Ruger Service-Six''. Manute ([[Michael Clarke Duncan]]) himself appears to use the same revolver in the alley before being shot several times. He then flees from the alley and is stopped by Miho ([[Devon Aoki]]), where he is seen using two Model 19s before she cuts him in half with a large blade spear type weapon.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:SCS&W19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stuka keeps a Smith & Wesson Model 19 stuck in his pants.]]
[[Image:SCS&W19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stuka with his Model 19.]]
[[Image:SCS&W19-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manute gets shot repeatedly with his Model 19 in hand.]]
[[Image:SCS&W19-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manute with two model 19s before being chopped in half vertically by Miho. (extended cut).]]

==Colt Officers ACP M1991A1 Series 80==

In the beginning of the movie, Roark Jr. ([[Nick Stahl]]) carries a [[M1911|Colt Officers ACP]] with a blued frame and stainless steel slide, which he uses to shoot Detective Hartigan ([[Bruce Willis]]) several times non-fatally and hold Nancy Callahan ([[Makenzie Vega]]) hostage but loses it when Hartigan blows his arm off on the dock.
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officers ACP - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SCOfficersACP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Roark Jr. runs away with young Nancy Callahan in his arms, the slide of his Colt Officers ACP clearly reads "Colt M1991A1". The hammer shouldn't be down after having just fired it seconds ago.]]
[[Image:SC-Roark-Jr.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Roark Jr. holds young Nancy Callahan hostage with his Colt Officers ACP.]]
[[Image:SCOfficersACP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roark Jr. fires his Officers ACP at Hartigan.]]

==Smith and Wesson Model 60==
Wendy ([[Jamie King]]) packs a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] in .357 Magnum throughout the film, firing it several times at Marv ([[Mickey Rourke]]), and nearly kills Kevin ([[Elijah Wood]]) with it before Marv knocks her out.

[[Image:S&W60LS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 Lady Smith - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:SCS&W60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wendy with her Smith & Wesson Model 60.]]
[[Image:SCS&W60-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wendy fires her Model 60 at Marv from her car.]]
[[Image:SCS&W60-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wendy shoots Marv with her Model 60.]]
[[Image:SCS&W60-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wendy prepares to shoot Marv with her Model 60 before she realizes he isn't a bad guy.]]

==Mk. 2 hand grenade==
A grenade similar to a [[Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk. 2 hand grenade]] (likely just a plastic molded prop made to resemble the one in the comic book) is used by the bomber to send Dwight flying into the tar pits and to send Miho airborne, but not kill her.
[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk. 2 hand grenade.]]
[[Image:SCMkIIesque.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Mk. 2-esque grenade lands next to Dwight.]]

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The Untouchables (1987)

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Kilgore:

'''The following firearms can be seen in the film ''The Untouchables'':'''

[[Image:Untouchables.jpg|thumb|right|350px|''The Untouchables'' (1987)]]
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==Star Model B==
Treasury Agent Elliot Ness ([[Kevin Costner]]) carries a [[Star Model B]] as his sidearm in the film, standing in for the [[M1911A1]] in scenes in which he fires it. Bowtie Driver ([[Vito D'Ambrosio]]), a gangster who holds the bookkeeper Walter Payne ([[Jack Kehoe]]) from Ness and Stone in the train station holds a [[Star Model B]] to the Payne's head. Frank Nitti ([[Billy Drago]]) carries a nickel-plated [[Star Model B]] in court, which Ness uses as an excuse to kick him out.
[[Image:StarBUntouchablesScreenGun.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blued Star Model B - 9mm pistol from the movie ''[[The Untouchables (1987)]]''. This one is a screen used and fired handgun in the movie and was used by Kevin Costner on screen. ]]
[[Image:UntouchablesStarB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness creeps outside the Capone warehouse before his botched bust.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesStarB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness holds his Star Model B on a nosy reporter outside the warehouse.]]
[[Image:Untouch-starb1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bowtie Driver fires his Star Model B during the final shootout.]]
[[Image:Untouch-starb2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Bowtie Driver holds Walter Payne hostage.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness fires his Star Model B during the train station shootout.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness's Star Model B runs out of ammunition and locks back.]]
[[Image:StarBNickelPulpFiction.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Star Model B Pistol with a custom bright nickel plated finish and pearl grips - 9mm. This is a screen used Star Model B from the film ''[[Pulp Fiction]]''.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness and a court officer take Nitti's nickel Star Model B.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesStarB-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nitti holds his nickel Star Model B on the court officer.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesStarB-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nitti waits for Ness to walk out of the roof entrance so he can shoot him.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911g.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nitti reloads his nickel Star Model B's.]]

==Thompson M1928==
Many gangsters and policemen use the [[Thompson Submachine Gun|Thompson M1928]] during the film. Stone and Malone use them to great effect during the Canadian shootout. Frank Nitti notably uses one to fatally wound Malone outside his apartment. Several Chicago Police Department officers carry these during the first raid in the film.
:According to the Ellis Props & Graphics NFA weapons list available on Long Mountain Outfitters' web site, there was a mix of M1921s and M1928 Thompsons used in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1928 Thompson "Tommy Gun" .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Untouch-tommy1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone holds a Thompson as Malone explains their plan to Ness.]]
[[Image:Untouch-tommy2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone on horseback with a Thompson.]]
[[Image:Untouch-tommy3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Malone lays near a shot-up gangster car with his Thompson.]]
[[Image:Untouch-tommy4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Nitti aims his Thompson at Malone.]]
[[Image:Untouch-tommy5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Thompson-wielding gangster takes a shot in the throat from Stone.]]

==Springfield M1903==
The Chicago Police Department uses [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield M1903]] rifles.
[[Image:M1903Mark1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Springfield M1903 Mk 1 - .30-06]]

==Winchester Model 1894==
The Chicago Police Department uses [[Winchester Model 1894]] rifles. A number of Winchester '94s can be seen in a gun rack at a police station.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1894.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1894 - .30-30 Winchester]]
[[Image:Untouch-win94.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind Ness is a rack full of Winchester '94s.]]

==Winchester Model 1897==
The Untouchables use [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotguns on several occasions, such as the post office raid. Several Chicago Police Department officers carry these during the first raid in the film.
[[Image:Winchester1897Plain.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1897 - 12 gauge. This is an imported copy of the non-take down version of the Winchester 1897 Shotgun (a Norinco 97W shotgun, imported by IAC). ]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Untouchables ([[Kevin Costner]], [[Sean Connery]], [[Andy Garcia]], and [[Charles Martin Smith]]) arm themselves with Winchester '97s for the post office alcohol raid.]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Untouchables prepare to raid the alcohol center inside the post office.]]
[[Image:UNTouchSh1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Untouchables in one of the most famous photos.]]

==Winchester Model 1912==
A [[Winchester Model 1912]] is used by Elliot Ness ([[Kevin Costner]]) during the shootout in the train station. These are also used during the shootout on the Canadian/U.S. border. Several Chicago Police Department officers carry these during the first raid in the film.
[[Image:WinchesterModel12Riot.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 Riot Gun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness riding a horse with his Winchester shotgun.]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wallace takes out a gangster with his Winchester shotgun just before he runs out of shells.]]
[[Image:UnTouSh.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness fires his shotgun in a promotional image.]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness reloads his Winchester as a gangster hides inside their house.]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness pulls his shotgun from under his jacket and shoots a gangster one-handedly.]]
[[Image:Untouch-winp6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness fires his shotgun during the train station shootout.]]

==Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun==
An [[Rossi Overland|12 Gauge Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun]] is kept by Malone ([[Sean Connery]]) in his apartment as a "home defense" weapon. The Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun was built by the late gunsmith Branko Wohlfahrt for Ellis Mercantile.
[[Image:SawedoffshotgunUntouchables.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun used in the film, supplied by Ellis Mercantile.]]
[[Image:RossiOverlandSBSSide.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The screen used Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun held and used by [[Sean Connery]] in the film - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Untouch-lupara.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Malone answers the door, [[Rossi Overland|12 Gauge Rossi Overland sawed-off shotgun]] in hand.]]
[[Image:Untouch-lupara2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Malone berates the Bowtie Driver for "bringing a knife to a gunfight".]]

==Colt Official Police==
Officer Stone ([[Andy Garcia]]) uses a [[Colt Official Police]] while on the police academy firing range. The court officer is later seen with one that he lends to Ness for him to chase Nitti down. What is interesting about Ness's gun is that this particular version of the Official Police is actually a Post-War gun (meaning it wasn't made until after 1950) whereas this movie takes place in the 1930s. The ramped front sight, flat hammer and longer ejection rod cap are changes that were made after 1950. Pre-War guns would have a halfmoon front sight and shorter ejector rod cap.
[[Image:ColtOP5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Official Police - .38spl.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone on the firing range with his Colt Official Police.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10g.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness takes the court officer's revolver to chase Nitti.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10h.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness holds his revolver while looking for Nitti.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10i.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness is about to pull the trigger on Nitti when he has second thoughts.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesColtOfficialPolice-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness uncocks the hammer.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
A nickel plated [[Colt Detective Special]] is carried by Chicago patrolman George Stone ([[Andy Garcia]]) as his backup gun, which he tosses to Ness during the train station shootout.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Untouch-cds1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone threatens Malone with his Colt DS when they meet. "Oh, I like him! - Malone.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10.cds.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone runs through the train station with his Model 10 and Detective Special.]]
[[Image:Untouch-cds2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness aims the snubnose at one of Capone's gangsters.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] is carried by Stone ([[Andy Garcia]]). He uses it to kill the Bowtie Driver who is holding Payne hostage at the end of the shootout in the train depot. Malone ([[Sean Connery]]) also carries one, which he infamously uses to shoot an already dead gangster. Many other Chicago policemen carry Model 10s.
[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 Revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Malone and Stone pulls out their Model 10s when the reporter interrupts their meal.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Can't you talk with a gun in your mouth?" Malone threatens a dead mobster with the S&W Model 10.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10.cds.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone runs through the train station with his Model 10 and Detective Special.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone aims at the Bowtie Driver with his Model 10.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10e.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stone prepares to kill Bowtie Driver.]]
[[Image:Untouch-sw10f.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Two." Stone holds his Model 10 after shooting the Bowtie Driver in the mouth.]]

==M1911A1==
Treasury agent Elliot Ness ([[Kevin Costner]]) uses an [[M1911A1]] throughout the film in scenes in which he is not firing his weapon. Treasury accountant Oscar Wallace ([[Charles Martin Smith]]) keeps one in a shoulder holster. Several of Capone's ([[Robert De Niro]]) mobsters carry them.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Colt M1911A1 pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ness comforts his daughter, M1911A1 in hand.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Italian-speaking mobster in Canada is cornered by Ness with his own pearl-gripped M1911A1.]]
[[Image:Untouch-1911c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Capone's gangsters pull their M1911A1s on Ness and Malone.]]

==Webley Mk IV==
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police commander is seen firing a [[Webley Mk IV|Webley MK IV]] into the air when he prematurely launchs the assualt on Capone's men at the border.
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Webley MK IV - .38 S&W.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesWelbyMkIV-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "Mounties" commander fires his Webley MK IV into the air.]]

==Colt New Service==
One of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers is seen firing a [[Colt New Service]] while on horse back.
[[Image:ColtNewService1917.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt New Service - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:UntouchablesMounties-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A "Mountie" to the left fires his Colt New Service.]]

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== Mk 2 hand grenade ==
Ness launches a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] over their Canadian cabin to force a Capone gangster to run inside.
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Talk:Apocalypse Now

2010-08-15T15:58:30Z

Kilgore: /* Apocalypse Now Trivia */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. Before filming, Francis Ford Coppola told everybody to read "Heart of Darkness", the book this movie was based on.

2. At the beginning of the film, when Willard is drunk in the hotel room, the mirror he struck was real glass and severly split open his thumb. Coppola kept filming even after Sheen threaten to kill him.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered was authentic as it was part of tribal ritual.

4. Sam Bottoms (Lance) admitted in the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. Martin Sheen suffered a heart attack during filming and had to stay in the hospital for a few weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued.

6. The original budget was around less then $16 Million, but blew up at about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, drunk, severely overweight (+100kg), and admitted he hadn't read the script or even the book "Heart of Darkness". He read Coppola's script, and refused to do it. After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Gran Torino

2010-08-14T23:07:03Z

Kilgore: /* Gran Torino 1972 Fastback */

==Gran Torino 1972 Fastback==
Some shots of the car from the film:
[[Image:GT-GranTorino72Fastback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:GT-GranTorino72Fastback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:GT-GranTorino72Fastback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:GT-GranTorino72Fastback-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:GT-GranTorino72Fastback-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Nice vehicle, no? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I still think the Cobra model is the best Torino.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::They said something about it having a Cobra engine... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::That is one nice car, I would love to have it.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Beautiful, just beautiful. I wish American cars were this classy nowadays. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 04:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::It's too bad that all the cars today are either hippie made POS or Damn riceburners made in Asia. That is why I'm about to buy me a retired 1977 Plymouth Fury police car. Been saving up for years just to buy one in good condition. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 23:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

== Pistols ==

:I remember the guy in the hooded sweatshirt using either a Beretta or Taurus-type 9mm. I don't remember when it's seen clearly enough to ID, though. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I looked back and never saw a clearer shot than the shot I have here. Is it somewhere else in the film? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::There isn't a cleaner shot, but I watched this movie again tonight and just going by tiny hints, I'm pretty sure the guy in the hooded sweatshirt has a Beretta 92FS Inox. The guy next to him firing his pistol sideways looks like he has another Glock of some type, probably one of the G17s used by the actors playing the cops in the film. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Condition of the 1911A1 ==

Not only did Clint's character take care of his stuff. but he might of had his 1911 refinished sometime in the past. Why not? It's believable.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:49, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2010-08-14T22:58:22Z

Kilgore:

== Facts about the movie ==
1. Before filming, Francis Ford Coppola told everybody to read "Heart of Darkness", the book this movie was based on.

2. In the beginning with Willard in the hotel room, He was drunk and the mirror he punched was real class.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered was real.

4. Sam Bottoms (Lance) was on LCD, speed, and marijuana durring filming.

5. Martin Sheen had heart attack durring filming and had to stay in the hospital for a few weeks. His brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to stand in for him. He was never credited for his work.

6. The original budget was around less then $16 Million, but blew up at about $32 Million.

7. Francis Ford Coppola threatened suicide several times during the making of the film.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds durring filming alone.

9.Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance. Brando eventually turned up on set late, drunk, 40kg overweight, and admitted he hadn't read the script or even "Heart of Darkness", the book it was based on. He read Coppola's script, and refused to do it. After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. George Lucas was originally going to make the film as a docementary in the early 70's, but the studios turned him and Lucas gave the rights to the movie.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Predators (2010)

2010-08-14T22:33:22Z

Kilgore: /* The "Vietnam-Era" Claymore */

==anyone seen this yet?==

wondering if its any good -k9870

nm, noticed its out next week

adrian brody really doesnt look right for the part--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 23:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
*I think only when weve seen the film can we say, i never would have chosen him, my choice would have been Josh Brolin. But from the film makers point of view 'we could never get anyone to match Arnold' so they've gone down the same route as Predator 2 with Danny Glover.--[[Special:Contributions/86.21.136.74|86.21.136.74]] 23:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Original film was the best. Sequels and spin-offs're just BS.
:Eh, Brody has all of the components of being badass, but hes just...adrian brody. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]
Brody plays the part very, very well. He acts like a badass, he fights like a badass, and he is just, generally, a badass. Sure, in the trailer, he doesn't look the part, but by the end of the movie, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy author in Kong, you've forgotten that he was a wimpy Jew in the Pianist. He's just Royce. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed, but i cant get the jew/author out of my head when i saw the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Danny Trejo isn't armed with uzi's, watch the HD trailer, they are clearly MP5K's (about 40 seconds into the trailer look at him in the group shot) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

== youtube content==

if you go onto the predators youtube page, there are interviews with robert where he show sneak peeks of the characters, and there are some fantastic images of danny trejo using his mp5k's that concludes this characters weapons. there are also images of isabelle's, royce's and even some of nolans weapons.

Adrien Brody was a good choice. I mean, most soldiers aren't as big as Arnie, most are just wiry but still really tough.

== How do you know about the guns? ==

I have checked and I haven't seen any trailers up. Can someone tell me where are the info for these guns from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Check out www.predators-movie.com for a sneak peek and there is also a trailer out on the 18th of March.

From the script which was released over the net some months ago and from behind the scenes photos which were released back in January. If you want to get the up to the minute latest, check out AvPGalaxy.net and its forums.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, almost all the ones that i always take are pretty awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 01:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
[http://www.predators-movie.com/]

Here's a link if you guys are interested, there's a quite a few good shots of the guns in the video and the trailer will be released on March 18th.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Please, pleaSE, CAN I PUT SOME SCREENCAPS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT VIDEO. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry Dillinger. I'm replacing some of your caps. Just wanted to warn you ahead of time..... :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Predators 9.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators11a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

[[Image:Predators 10.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Your original Screencap]]
[[Image:Predators12a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The new screencap]]

== Minigun? ==

I saw some new screenshots from SXSW, and the minigun looks ...well, mini. Can it be a XM214 Microgun? That, or the dude carrying it must be HUGE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

http://io9.com/5493337/screen-shots-predator/gallery/17

Sorry but there is no way in hell that it's a XM214 Microgun. Personally i would love to know who built the weapon as this makes a possible seventh real handheld Minigun made for cinima. Other than Kurt Russel and the man in Revenge of the fallen, everyone using a handheld Minigun in film has been huge with Arnold being 6'2" and 240#, Jesse Ventura being 6'5" andf 250#, I'm not sure how big bill duke is but he is not a small man. Plus Miniguns are not as physically big as most people seem to think. I have physically picked one up and without the ammo and power system they are small. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe it's forced perspective then, because I know Jesse Ventura is a huge guy, and "Ol' Painless" looks a lot larger in his hands than the Predators minigun. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 20:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
You got that right as having seen a RL minigun and having spoken with someone who has handled a RL XM214 there are none in film. The XM214 is a tiny weapon that you can easily hold in one arm. think about the lenght of an M4 carbine. .22 longrifle minigun prototypes are about the lenght of a P90. From the looks of the weapon in question I would like to watch it expell brass to estimate what they have geared the weapon down to.

I've seen a minigun in a meuseam, it's actualy pretty small. BTW, how do we know about the script? Did some one of the armorers on here see it and then post here?

There was A LOT of forced perspective used in Predator to make the Minigun look more impressive. There were more shots devoted to showcasing the weapon than the two guys carrying it. There are some behind the scenes shots of Jesse carrying the weapon and it doesn't look so massive. The M60 foregrip assembly also adds a fair bit of bulk to the weapon, which isn't present in any other incarnation of the Minigun. In reality the overall length of a handheld M134 falls somewhere between an M4 and an M16. The XM214 is even smaller.

Anyone know what tac vest and backpack Nikolai had on? --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]]

haven't seen the movie yet but could be one of these
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-LBE-Harness,53,2.htm
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/STRIKE-Commando-Recon-Chest-Harness,721,129.htm

==Royce==
Anyone able to ID royces pistol, id guess at a desert eagle based on size and the fact they were used by everyone i predator 1, danny glover in 2 and a few ppl in avp1. Also Royce using the AA12 may be a homage to concrete jungle the first spin off comic and book from the original where dutches brother used an auto shotgun to take out the first predator. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on the new screencaps i'd say it looks more like a custom 1911 variant - any ideas? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

looks like MEU SOC variant although I cant be sure

Technically speaking, ''nobody'' in Predator used a Desert Eagle. Yes, they carried them as sidearms in holsters, but ''carrying'' and ''using'' are two different things. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:41, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that is handgun is a kimber desert warrior

[[Image:KimberDesertWarrior.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MEU(SOC) Pistol\Kimber Desert Warrior, .45 ACP.]]

Of Coarse!...A unknown 1911 and someone thinks its a Kimber Warrior, suprise suprise. Rail or no rail its a warrior, G-10 tactical grips or regular old wood grips and there is still someone somewhere that thinks it is a Warrior. But when it is all said and done it is very rarely a Warrior. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

It appears to either be a 1911 variant, or a custom Desert Eagle which would be black with ivory/white plastic grips, which would be unique indeed, therefore, I assume that it's a 1911 variant. I don't think it's a Desert Warrior, though it does bare some resemblance to the Kimber Warrior II. If it's a 1911, it either has ivory grips, similar to the pistol in Heat, or it has white plastic grips, grips of the Warrior. There is no great picture of this gun, however, it appears to have something extended past the grip, so if it's a 1911, it's probable that it's a Kimber. We can't tell if it has rails or not, but it obviously doesn't have wooden grips. While there is no way of positively identifying this pistol yet, saying 'It can't be a Kimber and you're a moron for thinking it is' is completely unfounded. Unless you can provide evidence as to why you think it isn't a Kimber, other then the simple fact that people have been wrong about things being Kimbers before, your argument has no weight. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Number one, there is no such thing as a Kimber Warrior II...there is no II about it, it was built to military spec there for never got the "II" kimber safty. Number two, sorry I came off as a "Moron" but just because you can see a G-10 style grip doesnt make it a Warrior...and i din't say anything about it not being a Kimber...just the Warrior aspect of it because alot of people are quick to say its this 1911 or that 1911. There are true custom 1911 out there and I like to keep a open mind and not just yell out "its a Kimber narf" --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:53, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Firstly, I have no clue if there is such thing as a Kimber Warrior II, as I've never owned one, but was merely basing what I called it on the picture on the 1911 page which noted it as such. That, however, is irrelevant to the basis of this conversation, whether it is possibly a Kimber or not. Second, I never called you a moron, and I'm sorry if you took it that what. What I was implying is that you were being overly hostile and insulting by all but saying that it was impossible for the pistol to be a Kimber, simply because people have claimed that handguns were Kimbers before and were wrong. The word moron was in quotations. As I was saying in my first comment, however, I'm not arguing that the pistol definitely is a Kimber. To do so, with a gun that gets so little screen time in the trailers, before the film even comes out, would be neigh impossible. What I was saying, however, is that, contrary to what you claim, you didn't seem to be keeping an open mind about it. The other user posted that they thought it might be a Kimber Warrior, and you immediately attacked the idea, not because it isn't possible, but because of past preconceptions. Just because Kimbers aren't often used in movies don't mean that they never will. I'm not saying that immediately claiming that the gun is a Kimber on the actual page is correct, since it obviously wouldn't be. However, the user is fully allowed to say 'I think this pistol is a Kimber Desert Warrior', and borderline insulting him for it isn't a great way of handling it. Remember, part of this site is figuring out what kind of guns are used in the movies, and it's impossible to do that without making educated guesses. In this case, a Kimber Warrior isn't that bad of a guess, since the gun has an extended section of the mag past the grip, and the grip is of a G-10 style, as you said. Unless you have a better guess, simply saying that his is incorrect just because other people have maid similar guesses before is not valid. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 08:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

I never said that it wasnt a kimber warrior and sorry for allowing it to be viewed that way...my original statement was more of a general statement towards the warrior being listed alot when it isnt even close (this one being very close but undetermined) like on the NCIS page and the Rise of Cobra page and few others for example. Sorry for causing the arguement.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone know who makes the tactical vest the royce character wore in the film? love that extra shell capacity. great movie too. holds up to the orig. imo.

:It was simply a MOLLE vest with several pouches attached. Leapers makes a fairly inexpensive one. Oh and Royce's .45 actually had ACU patterned grips, but you only see a glimpse of them in the movie. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Miltec makes these vests in various colors they cost 40 dollars or something like that often used by airsofters

it looks like a Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest without the pouches, NorthwestShooterSupply.com has what I can see is the closed thing to it, aside from his is wore/dirty and the clips on Royce's are Tan, NWSS.com's are black. Buts it's damn close, and if you want the shell holder Royce has on his chest, their 215 Gear Shotgun Shell Holder Vertical, google it. Now how he riggs the knife between the holder and the vest "is up in the air."

Just got my Condor® MOLLE Tactical vest, it's exactly like his, even the front buckle and side reliefs are tan. O.o

==Cuchillo's (Danny Trejo) UZI's...==
It's pretty safe to say we ain't gonna see any UZI's in this.
I think we should remove the UZI section, because the UZI's described in the script have obviously been changed into two H&K MP5Ks, based on the trailer(s) and various production stills released on the internet (see below). It would be a bit silly for him to carry MP5Ks ''AND'' UZIs... Also some other weapons have been changed, e.g. Isabelle's (Alice Braga) Blaser was originally a Heckler & Koch PSG1 in the script.
[[Image:Preds004.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Danny Trejo is holding two MP5Ks, not UZIs. It is highly unlikely he'll be having two UZI's strapped to his back, since the script only mentioned two UZIs (which have obviously been changed into two MP5Ks.)]] -- [[User: Warejaws|Warejaws]], March 29, 2010, 13:47 (UTC)
*I don't see why not if a more conclusive image can be obtained, BTW Isabelle's rifle was changed as soon as the teaser came out.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] 23:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:: I dont think a sniper rifle is the best weapon to use ageist a predator.

a sniper is useful, remember the first movie where two of them see it in the distance, then say they want to get close and get wrecked when they move up. Now imagine if they ahd two scoped rifles instead of mp5s. "There it is!" bang. bang. Movie over.

Plus, she wasnt exactly preparing herself to be capture by a alian life form and then taken to a distant plantet where she would be hunted..She, instead prepared herself for basic military action here on earth against human rebels. Which a sniper rifle is very effective against human when in the hands of a sniper. [[Spades of Columbia]]

true, but the only problem is finding it when it cloaked

:I don't think that would be too much of a problem for a sniper. Remember, they're hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
::If, by hunters, you mean a collection of murderers, mercenaries, and other very violent people, then yes.
:::I'm talking about ''snipers''. Snipers are hunters, too. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:54, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Replaced Weapons ==

Predators was originally Predator 3 written in 1993, so probably the Weapons were changed with more modern Guns. One thing that bothered me was why replace a Micro Uzi with MP5k's. I guess the modern equivilent would have been the MP7.
:Probably because MP5Ks are much more common and easier to acquire than MP7s would be. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Cartels dont usually stroll around with super high tec wepons. A mp5 makes more sense than an mp7.

I agree, look at No Country for old man, plus where would he even get a steady flow of ammo for a MP7.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

== Just seen it (spoiler warning!) ==

I just got back from it, it really was good, like predator 1 good. A few observations, Chuchillo (trejo) has a 1911 variant holstered at his back, and the black dude from the death squad also carries a 1911. A soldiers dead body is also seen gripping a 1911, they seem to be very popular in this film. Royce never draws his side arm so who knows what kind of 1911 variant it actually is. Royce appears to use FRAG 12 amunniton in his AA12 in the first encounter with the predators and Nikolai makes impressive use of a claymore mine. I think ive got away with that without giving away any spoilers. I was also very impressed to see Royce re filling the drum mag from his AA12 from the cartridges on his vest, and Nikolai even reloads his mini gun! Shame he doesnt appear to be able to hit fuck al with it. Its just a crime that no one called the preds ugly mother fuckers in this film, part from that it really was good.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:So no "You ugly mother fucker" ? Damn, that's just the trademark line from a Predators movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::Wrong! The classic line is included, in Russian. Nikolai says it just before he takes the Tracker out. A friend who speaks Russian translated it. Told me it literally comes out as "In your face," or something similer, but it wouldnt be a stretch to put it as "You're an ugly motherfucker." - Mikey

I love when the criminal is says to Chuchillo "come on give me a gun, you got two fucking guns, and you russian, you got a bigass gun give me something" You see all these holstered weapons and nobody gives him anything.

If you were a soldier or special forces guy and you ended up in some weird jungle with a bunch of others like you and you see an convict wearing orange...would you give him a gun? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Compensators seem to be somewhat popular as well, as both Isabelle and Hanzo have them on their sidearms. The convict guy, he did a pretty good job for being armed with nothing a shank, though. And Royce... well, to put it simply, ''he's the new Dutch''. I didn't think he was right for the role, either, but boy, was I wrong indeed! All in all, I have to admit I like the AvP movies a ''little bit less'' now... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:58, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else notice that Royce was armed with Billy's (from the origina Predator) huge knife, which he used on the hounds, I loved all the little nods to the old films ''Cummahn, Im right here! Kill me!'' --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Adrien Brody was a good choice for the part. If you ever see a special forces soldier in person or pictures most of them are normal looking guys. Adrien Brody looked in shape. I think thy cast the roles very well in the movie.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 15:54, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The Yakuza sword fight was just awesome. It was like the scene with Billy from the first movie. Taking off his shirt, telling the others to go and drawing his blade out to challenge the Predator, but unlike the first movie, we actually SEE a sword fight and it was epic as hell. This movie is far superior to either of the AvP movies. And though I wished they got a more cliche cast of actors, Adrian Brody did really well [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone knows what the pistol Oleg was using?

-Tokarev? It looked single stack and about the same dimensions, and would make sense, didnt see any clear shots.

-Could it be some 1911 variant? It appeared to have a lot of recoil

I thought it looked like a Stechkin APS because of the long tapering barrel, tho he did only shoot it semi auto. The swordfight as pure genius, the wind in the grass was just awesome, theres always room for an old fashioned samurai face off --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 19:03, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Crap, I knew I recognized Brody's knife from somewhere, but I couldn't place it. I fail as a ''Predator'' fan... :( But, yeah, the sword fight was indeed awesome. BTW, since we're talking about things that could spoil the movie for someone who hasn't seen it, I added a spoiler warning to the title of this discussion. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

i didnt see the doctor twist coming and thought lawrence fishburne would be a main character, not just a small role.

Where were the guns that are listed in Nowlands base? I didnt see any of them? Surely if there were guns about the humans would have made off with them in the escape? Or maybe I was just being blind. There are some excellent shots of the AA12 on Imdb now by the way, not that we dont have enough shots of the AA12 but its a beautiful gun --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:15, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the doctor twist was really ingenious. Also, did anyone notice that the bound Predator looked exactly like the original Predator from the first movie (identical helmet and all)? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

did anyone else notice that Brody didnt shoulder his AA12 once during this film. he always fired from the hip, maybe a lack in training given to the actors as he ment to be ex special forces? anon

i love how he actually has them relaod, uses different ammo types and uses the light on his surefire forend. The bound predator was supposed look identical, they wanted a 'classic" vs super predtor battle.

So...is it safe to assume that Cuchillo's side weapon was a shiney Colt .38 super, or is that being too speculative...and some what raciest? I did really like the movie and how all the Characters handled their weapons.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 00:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo's sidearm was clearly a 1911 model, with ornate engravings, this makes me assume its a mark IV series 80 ( http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:ColtMkIVSilver_DeNiro_Machete.jpg ) similar to the ones we see in 24 (series 3), machete, and dean winchester's 1911 from supernatural. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I know right, pretty sweet side arm!...but would it be too presumptive to think a movie would be realistic enought to make Cuchillo's 1911 a .38 Super?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It's possible (he never fired it, no need for blanks.) but unlikely.

What movie were you watching? He shot an entire mag at rapid fire!--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Cuchillo never fired the 1911. Just his mp5ks.

No, he pulled and fired his 1911 on the Predator Hounds.[[User:Humanzie3|Humanzie3]]

Thank you, i was waiting for someone not anonymous to back me up.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:I'll vouch it as well,, Cuchillo definitely pulled and fired his pistol at an oncoming hound. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 06:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, Spades is right. Cuchillo definitely pulled his 1911 and shot numerous rounds at one of the charging hunting dogs. Sort of like Brody should have done, instead of grabbing his machete and cutting it in half. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

And there's nothing racist about Danny Trejo's character. He made a career being a method actor. He's spent prison time for robbery and drugs, so he knows exactly how to play a tough Mexican character. He pretty much invented that look and cliche [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I was asking if I was being more raciest for assuming it to be a .38 super not for Trejo being cliche.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I think caliber ascends beyond race, its just ammunition, and he did empty the mag the last time we see him alive, shame he didnt use his knife, you dont fuck with danny trejo and his knives --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't the Grenades be credited to Edwin instead of Noland...since Edwin is the one that technically used them ;)--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well if we are being really honest it was berserker predator (or jaws as i was calling him) that used them --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, I know Royce's machete was the same as used by Billy in Predator, but does anyone know what type of knife he keeps strapped to his vest, behind his shotgun shells? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The knife is a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C -John

== The Predators ==

I updated the names of the predators as they are credited and named for the upcoming action figures and making of book. They are listed as 'Falconer' predator - the super pred with the robo bird on his shoulder with the metal spikey mask. 'Tracker' predator, the one we se holding the hounds at bay with the 2 tusks on his mask, who makes friends with Nikolia. And the 'Berserker' predator the one with the jawbone on his mask who takes on the classic predator and fights royce in the finale. The classic predator was simply named as you would expect, classic predator --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

== Hanzo's Beretta ==

I'm looking at the pictures of Hanzo's Beretta right now (especially the second picture, where he draws it from his coat) and it's obvious that it isn't a plain Inox with custom grips and a compensator. I mean, it obviously has a compensator and custom grips, but the slide and possibly the barrel are both a different color then the frame. The frame appears to be from an Inox, but the slide and barrel look darker, so I honestly think it's some sort of tutone. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Not really. If you look at the other caps, the barrel is the same color as the slide, so it must have been because it was in is coat, the darkness made the barrel dark color. Some camera filters makes colors seem different [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the barrel and the slide are the same color. They are a different color then the frame, however, which was what I was pointing out. The slide, and the barrel, are different colors then the frame, and it couldn't just be a trick of the lighting, as no shadow is being cast on them that isn't also being cast on the rest of the gun, and it couldn't be because of the camera filter, either, since that would also effect the entire gun. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Also, as to something mostly unrelated, does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Since no one is disputing that it's a tutone anymore, I'm going to go ahead and change it. Can someone get me a picture of a Beretta that is tutoned like Hanzo's, with a blued slide and barrel but a stainless frame? Until then, I'll be using the closest thing I've got. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 14:53, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

"does anyone know what brand of compensator Hanzo has attached to his Beretta, or is it a custom design?" I think Steve (User:Phoenixent) one of the armorers on this site built it. Knowing some of the work he's done in the past, it was probably custom built.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks. I was thinking of getting one, but seeing as it's custom made, I guess I'm SOL. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 15:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ask him [[User talk:Phoenixent]] he's real good about answering questions, but it may take a while to get back to you.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

What makes you think Hanzo's Beretta is Two Tone? It looks like an inox with ivory grips and a compensator to me. If you're talking about how the slide's darker then the frame, alot of Beretta inoxes are like that with the slide and barrel being darker then the frame, just look at this Beretta 92FS Vertec.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta-92FS-Vertec-SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

Actually, while the picture you've posted doesn't have the same look as the one in the film, with a darker slide and barrel, but it does turn out that I was wrong, at least partially. It wasn't a blued barrel and slide on a stainless frame, it was a stainless barrel and slide on an alloy frame. Here's a message I received from the gun's creator.
::Hi Jack, I custom built the compensator for Hanzo's Beretta. The comp in integrated into the blank conversion of the pistol. I also checked my reference photos for that project and the pistol has a stainless slide and barrel with a alloy frame. I believe the the two tone look is from the lighting and lens filters during filming. Photo two showing him draw his weapon show that it has a stainless top end and alloy frame. Hope this answers some of you questions. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 16:25, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
So yeah, it turns out that while I was wrong about the kinds of materials that went into the gun, it is technically two toned, since, because of the camera filter, the alloy shows up as being lighter then the stainless parts of the gun. However, I'll leave it up to you guys as to what we should classify it as. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 18:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

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==Unknown 1911==
A [[M1911 pistol series|M1911-type pistol]] is carried by Royce in a thigh holster.
[[Image:Predators7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Royce's 1911 circled in red.]]
[[Image:Predators8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another look at Royce's 1911.]]
On the big screen, there are some great close-ups. I'm pretty sure it is a Kimber Warrior; which is odd because of his tan shemagh scarf and vest, I'd think he'd carry a Kimber Desert Warrior. Weird. -- ST0NEFIELD
Black Kimber Warrior's do come with those grips stock. So I
m sure thats what it is.

-1911 style autos are so customizable that it could be anything, not necessarily a Kimber. Without a clear image of the stamps on the slide, it's not going to be possible to narrow it down to any specific 1911 model.

Your not gonna get slide stamps as the pistol never leaves the holster, though based on the grips and odd magazine butt plate I too say kimber

The Kimber Desert Warrior and Warrior are gimmicks by Kimber to make money off of the Pistol they produced to equip USMC (MARSOC) operators. The Warrior is supposed to be built to the same specs, and the Desert Warrior is the same with a brown paint job. Most real fighters would never field such a cartoon pistol.

Looks like it has a nickel or stainless steel finish. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 18:43, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I can almost swear that it had a TRP style magazine well...you could only really see it when Royce grabbed the grip that one time during the entire movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It did have a magwell like that. Just saw it. But you can get those after market to so dosent mean its a TRP 1911. The grips are Kimber tan ones. They just get dirty so kind look like ACU. Shame he never used it.

Kimber are not the only ones that uses or has access to G10 grips...there are other 1911 makers that use that styling of grips.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Mombasa uses what looks like a standered GI 1911 when he has Stans's shank to his throat.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It was standard with nickle finish. Pretty sure Cuchillo's was the same prop.

Dead soldier with hole in his chest also had a 1911 with the slide locked back in his hands. Funny, they said he was supposed to be in Afghanistan but was wearing tiger stripe!

--Cuchillo's sidearm wasn't "standard". It was customized with some kind of ornate plating. -- [[User:Warejaws]] 19:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

ok...I think i have it, based on grip design and the magazine well that looked like a trp but not quit, i'm starting to think it might possibly be a Nighthawk Enforcer. Side by side without viewing marking stamps they look identical.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:05, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I think spades is right. Unfortunately we will never know unless we contact the armorer. =(

==Unknown Handgun==

Nicholai ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) uses a handgun of unknown make or model, after his minigun is destroyed.

It looked like a Makarov to me. This naturally would fit his character.

Im fairly certain it was a tokarev

Look liked a CZ 52 standing in for a Tokarev. In fact, I'm almost positive it is. Same magazines with the holes on it when he reloaded it. Was way to angeled to be a Tokarev.

It looks like a Makarov, judging by the shape and size. But when we see it on Blu-Ray we'll get a better look.

The barrel was much too short to be a Makarov, and it was too angled to be a Tokarev, so I have to agree, it was a CZ 52.

He fires of 8 rounds before the pistol runs dry. though we cannot be certain he has a ful magazine to start with most weapons in this movie didnt seem to have 'hollywood' magazine capacities - --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

-TOKAREV TT33... Single stack with a VERY tall non adjustable V-notch rear site is the tell all. The Tokarev fires a 7.62 X 25mm cartridge which, with the right rounds, delivers more foot pounds of energy on target than a 45 caliber. Sad to say but true. Hence the high recoil. They are real beasts. I own one. I know. Also not a CZ 52 (which I also own). The CZ 52 is significantly thicker/bulkier/heavier than the Tokarev although it fires the same rounds as the TOK and generates even MORE foot pounds of energy due to it's slide roller locking mechanism. It also has a very small rear V-notch site which is about half the size of that on the Tokarev. That very tall rear site is a dead giveaway. Look again and you'll see what I mean. :?)

The CZ 52 does hold 8 rounds. =)

But so does the Tokarev and the Makarov, so this really doesnt narrow it down much more was my point --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Could his pistol be an M1911? - Venom3945Marine

No...but i believe mombasa's sidearm is...most likely a GI model or even a Star model B or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

As i said above Mombasa is carrying a 1911, he has it tucked away behind him for a left handed draw, odd as he handles his AK with his right, he never gets a chance to fire it tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== The "Vietnam-Era" Claymore ==

"When Nikolai (Oleg Taktarov) sees Noland's weapons cache, he eyes a M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine on the table. '''He's startled because its a Vietnam-era Claymore, revealing just how long Noland has been on the planet'''. Nikolai apparently grabbed the Claymore mine offscreen, because he is seen using it prominently later. "

This irked me. Noland says he has been on the planet for 10 seasons. During the movie, the humans seem to go through 2 full days. At the end of the movie, a new batch of humans and predators is seen falling in. One would assume that a season is ~2 days. And, if Noland was a scavenger like he said, you don't get fat by living that way.

I am not saying that Noland has been there for 20days only. I would not think you loose your mental health in 20 days. Just how that sentence was worded makes it seem like he was born and raised there.

There were no new predators being dropped in. Those cages were animals that they also hunt. They would probably have to wait at least a year for more predators to show up, assuming by that line that the seasons are 3 years long, or Noland's gone bonkers and lost track of time.

A vietnam era claymore doesnt mean hes been there that long, there were authentic samaurai swords, does that mean he lived in feudal japan? Hes scvenged from people who were there a while.

Sorry to post as an anon, I generally lurk but I had to say something on this on.

:Well, the fact that he is slightly crazy, wearing Tiger Stripe camo pants, and says that he is Air Cav, not to mention he is past his prime, all point towards him being there for several decades. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

It's kind of ironic that Larry Fishburne, who also started in "[[Apocalypse Now]]" as a Machine-Gunner would star as an insane air cav soldier years later. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Laurence Fishburne before he was kidnapped by aliens]]
[[Image:Predators06a.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Looks like He has had no problems finding food on a hostile alien planet for more than 40 years.]]

==Weapons Cache==

i don not see a car-15 or model 29, where are you seeing it?

I asked this to but it got ignored --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It was in the script........

But not the movie! This isnt the script firearms database, if it isnt actually in the film then why are they on the page? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)