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Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-04-21T02:01:47Z

K&P 317: /* Counterclockwise? that does not sound really British */ new section

I saw the movie and Holmes' attempt to a silenced pistol looked a little bit like either a Nagant revolver or a Chamelot model 1878. The Chamelot makes more sense time wise but the Nagant could still be a possiblity. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 21:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the gentleman, or lady.

But since the film sets before 'The Adventure of Final Problem', i.e. before 1891 - which means it would be anachronistic for the time for a Nagant Revolver (1895).

That might also explans why Holmes' effort of inventing a 'silencer' for it was fruitless because the escaping propellant gas from the gap of the cylinder and barrel. If there was a Nagant, Holmes would had successed.

And a point to add, 'VR' that Holmes shot onto the wall was the royal cypher of Queen Victoria stands for 'Victoria Regina'. What he did in 'His Las Bow'.

the part the silencer may be a references to Robert Downey, Jr. part in A Scanner Darkly. Rex095

I haven't seen the movie and I'm not likely to for awhile, but the most common Nagant (Russian 1895 in 7.62mm) is by no means the only one (though the only with the gas seal). The first Nagant was the Belgian 1878 and 1884 in 9.4mm, there was the Swedish 1887, Norwegian 1893 and Sewbian models in 7.5mm, the Brazilian and Argentine .44s, the model 1910 (never adopted) even had a swing-out cylinder. - Nyles

== confusing ==

this doesnt have much to do about guns but when they are under big ben and house's of parliment rachael mcadams runs through pipes and gets to tower bridge and downey Jr and lord blackwood follow. surly that would take someone about an hour to get there. they are miles apart. very confusing [[user:smish34|smish34]]

That is correct. Thanks to Sir Joseph Bazalgette - they had to chase through the sewage in Victoria embankment (1870). That was more than two miles of running in London Sewer, from the Parliament to Tower Bridge. But I suppose they can't create the climax if the final battle took place on The Westminster Bridge.

Another non-gun related point to make. Being a pipe smoker myself, I am rather upseted by the down-toning of Holmes' pipe smoking habbit because of the changing of social habit of modern days. But at least the choice of pipe used in the film fits with the describition in the novel, a straight-stem 'Old Black Pipe' which could be the same one he smoked in 'The adventure of the creeping man'. Instead of the curved-stem calabash pipe made famous by previous Holmes films, which was introduced by William Gillette - since he found it was difficult to deliver his lines with a straight-stem pipe in his mouth. In all of the Sir Conan Doyle stories, Holmes smoked either a briar, clay or cherrywood pipe.

Also, as you might notice the username of mine is my favourite model of pipe.

K&P 317

:Yeah, but don't forget that in the novels he also injects cocain and heroin frequently. I'm sure Robert Downey Jr. is glad that got taken out, as it probably would've given him some bad flashbacks.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Holmes never injected heroin.

The liquid he was drinking above the fight club was cocaine, it was a nod to Holmes' drug use. I'm assuming that the producers thought the general public wouldn't approve of a Holmes that did drugs but they wanted to be as accurate as possible, so they had him imbibe cocaine in liquid form for us fans(which was used as an anesthetic at the time)and the general public wouldn't
think twice about it. I also really doubt Downey would give much of a fuss.

The gentleman/lady above is correct.
Although the movie did not depict what type of drug Holmes was drinking, Heroin did not exist until 1895, as a registered brand name of the German drug company Bayer. Holmes used cocaine and morphine.

It was legal, even fashionable in upper class to use these kind of recreational drugs in the late Vactorian era, i.e. the Great Binge. All of them could be easily obtained over the counter. Technicly, even the pope were on drugs in those days. Both Pius X and Leo XIII were very fond of vin Mariani, which contains cocaine. Besides, they smoked cigars. (Wish the current pope can be just as cool)

The great binge lasted until early stage of the 14-18 war, Harrods used to sell gift sets contained cocaine and heroine for front line soldiers. K&P 317

Gentleman, thank you. I am proposing it as cocaine based on his general demeanor at the time of Watson discovering him. He was manic, and talked of being awake for some time, focused on tediously accomplishing a task that took hours. Hallmarks of a stimulant.

Thank you sir/madam, that explains. The only medical knowledge I have is a full English breakfast is the best cure for a hangover. A related point to add, heroin as a registered brand name like aspirin of Bayer was taken off as part of the
Treaty of Versailles. K&P 317

== Winchester 1887 ==

I could have sworn in the beginning of the movie when we see London police prepare themselves in the carriage, one of them was chambering a shell into a shotgun like the 1887. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I thought it was a double-barreled shotgun. Rex095

That was definately an 1887 Winchester.

== Suppressed revolver? ==

For Sherlock Holmes being a smart man, he thought he could invent a suppressor but forgot that suppressors can't won't on revolvers because of the open revolving chamber [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:he was also in drugs and extremely bored at the time.
:You do realize that even a drunk Holmes can make pointless discoveries that no one cares about [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Police sidearms==
This film accurately portrays the London Police as carrying firearms in the late Nineteenth Century. Does anyone know when the British decided to disarm their police force?

London Bobbies on night partols had the option of carrying a Webley & Scott revolver in late 19th Century. And of course firearms were issued when needed, e.g. Siege of Sidney St.

But up to this day the normal bobbies are not armed, they got to call Authorised Firearms Officer (AFO) when extra firepower is needed.

K&P 317

== Counterclockwise? that does not sound really British ==

When Holmes was high as a kite and experimenting with the flies, he mentioned they flew in "counterclockwise" formation. I am not a linguistic expert, but a British would say "Anticlockwise" instead. So - here I ask, Was it some different speech habit of 19th centry or just because Robert Downey Jr. came from the States? K&P 317

Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-04-21T01:43:08Z

K&P 317: /* confusing */

Talk:Call of Duty: World at War

2010-04-18T02:33:31Z

K&P 317: /* Ammo belt on M1919 */ new section

The picture for the M7 Grenade Launcher seems to be incorrect. It's showing the M9A1 bazooka

I think a double barrel shotgun varient can be used in the nazi zombies bonus level, but I can be mistaken
: You can get the double barrel shotgun in the Nazi Zombie game, but you can only get the sawed off double barrel from the magic box as I call it, among other guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::No, you get the full length one. If you can fend them off with the .45 and the knife long enough to open the door and grab the boomstick, zombie mode gets a lot easier. I think the zombie mode could have had more potential, maybe more levels and some open spaces. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Guns that aren't here but should of been ==

I wonder why the M3 (Grease gun) wasn't in this game. Or why the Tommy are using the 20 round mags and not the 30 round mags? What about the PPS-43? We also don't see the paratrooper verison of the M1 Carbine with the folding stock and pistol grip. I can understand in single player Marines in the Pacific might not be armed with the paratrooper verison of the carbine, but the Russian single player shoulda gotten the PPS-43, or even in multi player, it would have just been an extra gun to use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect, Activision doesn't know shit about guns. Did you notice how a lot of the gun reloading animations were stolen straight from COD2? And for some reason, they did choose to issue 20 round mags with the Thompsons far more often then the 30s. During the Normandy invasion, 30s made their shine. Keep in mind, the gun in the game is the M1928A1 Thompson. Those were issed 20 round sticks. Then again, it would have been cool if you could use a Thompson with a drum. Personally, I was disapointed by this game. Two campaigns? No U.K.? I was expecting Pacific, Europe, Russia and UK. I guess they were so excited that they got Keifer Sutherland, they didn't think they needed another campaign. I think this game was way too short. I beat it in a day. At least it was better than COD3. Activision is getting a ''little'' better. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

activison didn't make this game treyarch did

The Thompson SMG can be upgraded to a drum mag in multiplayer so that isn't as bad and also the PS2 version has a UK campaign where you are a UK soldier trying to cross the Rhine River and get into the heart of Germany.[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

::To be fair, COD4 Modern Warfare was a great breath of fresh air to the franchise and rather accurate when it came to weapons. But it was also handled by a different, much more capable developer (Infinity Ward, instead of COD3 and WaW's Treyarch). Frankly, if they haven't fired off every single round possible when it comes to WW2, then they're down to their last few bullets, so to speak. The COD franchise needs to replant itself back in modern times (or at the very least, sometime other than 1941-1945) and possibly, focus on maybe law enforcement areas and not just military aspects. Just my opinion. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I say Vietnam, or Korea next, maybe even the First and second Gulf War. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Korea, yes. Vietnam will be touchy at best and possibly disastrous at worst to handle. The First Gulf War, I can see. The second...well, I think that COD4 touched on that basis already with the Marine levels... ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

::What's so touchy about Vietnam that hasn't already been said about, parodied about, satired, joked, or debated? It's been almost 40 years, that's long enough for most things to be put to rest. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, the COD series has never been about parodies...and IIRC, the last serious depiction of Vietnam to show true-blue heroism was Forrest Gump and some episodes of the History Channel's Dogfights (a show about aerial dogfights - not another COD specialty). Point is, unless Activision and whomever develops it strays away from focusing on the general Army and focuses on specialized units - and if they do that, a long conversation and a military advisor credit had better be heading Dick Marcinko's way - any attempt may bring a lot of controversy with it. ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 04:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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I can't disagree with these arguments. While not a bad game by any means, about the only pros about W.A.W. were that you could take control of a tank or two, because it added a new game play dynamic by forcing players to use explosives for more then just pissing people off while they giggle like little boys in the first grade who have just heard the word p3n15 and think its just fr1661n6 hilarious (anyone can make a kill with a gigantic grenade that can fly you pint of annoyance!), the voice acting was well done (I'm sorry, but Keifer Sutherland as a marine that shoots copious numbers of people, well, he's played both parts of that combination very well, i.e. A Few Good Men and 24 and does a fine job of combining the two), the Nazi zombie level, the Co-op action, and the extra upgrade slots that you unlock when you use Prestige mode. personally, I'm pretty sure the L-E angle is well covered by Rainbow Six and SWAT, if you have a good enough PC. one idea that i haven't seen would be to have combined arms campaigns, probably Infantry, Vehicular, Aviation, and maybe Naval or Artillery to round out the spectrum. kinda like battlefield, but you would have to remain in that area until the campaign was over, instead of respawning as a different class, and of course you would have to customize your character for each mission, e.g. upgrades, weapons, perks, etc., and that would be single player. You could then take (one of) your Player Character(s) over to multiplayer. If Electronic Arts can do it several times over without making the series as bland as their sports games like madden, then Infinity Ward and Activision could probably do it, but make it better.

Another idea, which is a bit more in line with the topic of this discussion (sorry about that, I'm very tangent-prone), would be several small campaigns over the past century leading up to some fictional conflict in the year 2015, keeping the same character, with all of the progression of equipment, uniforms, weaponry, etc. with upgrades, and you can keep your say, FG-42 and bring it into Korea or The Middle East, either unmodified or with some modernizations, ex reflex sight. i have no idea how you could rationalize that, (I'm thinking Captain Price, before we were told that they were two different characters :) or maybe Wolverine, even though he's making his own movie/game at the moment), and i have no idea why you would bring a 60-ish year old battle rifle when there are better weapons, but you would probably have your reasons.

:Some of these ideas sound good. Others, like the last paragraph...well, I just have to ask...How the hell did Wolverine get into this conversation? :) ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, i forgot to mention the Wolverine part. Sorry about that. Just look at the page for the new X-Men movie and you'll understand. Is it X-men Origins, or Legends? i forget

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Does anyone else see the side by side shotgun ejecting a shell casing there while firing?[[Special:Contributions/67.149.192.84|67.149.192.84]] 07:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
i thought i saw something like that in one of the pics
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Would this page like some shots of every weapon? I could probably do some shots of them, as some are missing.

== Ammo belt on M1919 ==

Correct me if I am wrong. Far as I know, US only use metal disintegrating ammo belts on aircraft in WW2 and ground troops only issued with fabric belt. Did the guys nick those off from the flyboys?

Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-04-13T03:53:25Z

K&P 317: /* Police sidearms */

I saw the movie and Holmes' attempt to a silenced pistol looked a little bit like either a Nagant revolver or a Chamelot model 1878. The Chamelot makes more sense time wise but the Nagant could still be a possiblity. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 21:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the gentleman, or lady.

But since the film sets before 'The Adventure of Final Problem', i.e. before 1891 - which means it would be anachronistic for the time for a Nagant Revolver (1895).

That might also explans why Holmes' effort of inventing a 'silencer' for it was fruitless because the escaping propellant gas from the gap of the cylinder and barrel. If there was a Nagant, Holmes would had successed.

And a point to add, 'VR' that Holmes shot onto the wall was the royal cypher of Queen Victoria stands for 'Victoria Regina'. What he did in 'His Las Bow'.

the part the silencer may be a references to Robert Downey, Jr. part in A Scanner Darkly. Rex095

I haven't seen the movie and I'm not likely to for awhile, but the most common Nagant (Russian 1895 in 7.62mm) is by no means the only one (though the only with the gas seal). The first Nagant was the Belgian 1878 and 1884 in 9.4mm, there was the Swedish 1887, Norwegian 1893 and Sewbian models in 7.5mm, the Brazilian and Argentine .44s, the model 1910 (never adopted) even had a swing-out cylinder. - Nyles

== confusing ==

this doesnt have much to do about guns but when they are under big ben and house's of parliment rachael mcadams runs through pipes and gets to tower bridge and downey Jr and lord blackwood follow. surly that would take someone about an hour to get there. they are miles apart. very confusing [[user:smish34|smish34]]

That is correct. Thanks to Sir Joseph Bazalgette - they had to chase through the sewage in Victoria embankment (1870). That was more than two miles of running in London Sewer, from the Parliament to Tower Bridge. But I suppose they can't create the climax if the final battle took place on The Westminster Bridge.

Another non-gun related point to make. Being a pipe smoker myself, I am rather upseted by the down-toning of Holmes' pipe smoking habbit because of the changing of social habit of modern days. But at least the choice of pipe used in the film fits with the describition in the novel, a straight-stem 'Old Black Pipe' which could be the same one he smoked in 'The adventure of the creeping man'. Instead of the curved-stem calabash pipe made famous by previous Holmes films, which was introduced by William Gillette - since he found it was difficult to deliver his lines with a straight-stem pipe in his mouth. In all of the Sir Conan Doyle stories, Holmes smoked either a briar, clay or cherrywood pipe.

Also, as you might notice the username of mine is my favourite model of pipe.

K&P 317

:Yeah, but don't forget that in the novels he also injects cocain and heroin frequently. I'm sure Robert Downey Jr. is glad that got taken out, as it probably would've given him some bad flashbacks.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Holmes never injected heroin.

The liquid he was drinking above the fight club was cocaine, it was a nod to Holmes' drug use. I'm assuming that the producers thought the general public wouldn't approve of a Holmes that did drugs but they wanted to be as accurate as possible, so they had him imbibe cocaine in liquid form for us fans(which was used as an anesthetic at the time)and the general public wouldn't
think twice about it. I also really doubt Downey would give much of a fuss.

The gentleman/lady above is correct.
Although the movie did not depict what type of drug Holmes was drinking, Heroin did not exist until 1895, as a registered brand name of the German drug company Bayer. Holmes used cocaine and morphine.

It was legal, even fashionable in upper class to use these kind of recreational drugs in the late Vactorian era, i.e. the Great Binge. All of them could be easily obtained over the counter. Technicly, even the pope were on drugs in those days. Both Pius X and Leo XIII were very fond of vin Mariani, which contains cocaine. Besides, they smoked cigars. (Wish the current pope can be just as cool)

The great binge lasted until early stage of the 14-18 war, Harrods used to sell gift sets contained cocaine and heroine for front line soldiers. K&P 317

Gentleman, thank you. I am proposing it as cocaine derived from his general demeanor at the time of Watson discovering him. He was manic, and talked of being awake for some time, focused on tediously accomplishing a task that took hours. Hallmarks of a stimulant.

== Winchester 1887 ==

I could have sworn in the beginning of the movie when we see London police prepare themselves in the carriage, one of them was chambering a shell into a shotgun like the 1887. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I thought it was a double-barreled shotgun. Rex095

That was definately an 1887 Winchester.

== Suppressed revolver? ==

For Sherlock Holmes being a smart man, he thought he could invent a suppressor but forgot that suppressors can't won't on revolvers because of the open revolving chamber [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:he was also in drugs and extremely bored at the time.
:You do realize that even a drunk Holmes can make pointless discoveries that no one cares about [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Police sidearms==
This film accurately portrays the London Police as carrying firearms in the late Nineteenth Century. Does anyone know when the British decided to disarm their police force?

London Bobbies on night partols had the option of carrying a Webley & Scott revolver in late 19th Century. And of course firearms were issued when needed, e.g. Siege of Sidney St.

But up to this day the normal bobbies are not armed, they got to call Authorised Firearms Officer (AFO) when extra firepower is needed.

K&P 317

Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-04-13T03:17:55Z

K&P 317: /* confusing */

I saw the movie and Holmes' attempt to a silenced pistol looked a little bit like either a Nagant revolver or a Chamelot model 1878. The Chamelot makes more sense time wise but the Nagant could still be a possiblity. [[Special:Contributions/98.175.58.228|98.175.58.228]] 21:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the gentleman, or lady.

But since the film sets before 'The Adventure of Final Problem', i.e. before 1891 - which means it would be anachronistic for the time for a Nagant Revolver (1895).

That might also explans why Holmes' effort of inventing a 'silencer' for it was fruitless because the escaping propellant gas from the gap of the cylinder and barrel. If there was a Nagant, Holmes would had successed.

And a point to add, 'VR' that Holmes shot onto the wall was the royal cypher of Queen Victoria stands for 'Victoria Regina'. What he did in 'His Las Bow'.

the part the silencer may be a references to Robert Downey, Jr. part in A Scanner Darkly. Rex095

I haven't seen the movie and I'm not likely to for awhile, but the most common Nagant (Russian 1895 in 7.62mm) is by no means the only one (though the only with the gas seal). The first Nagant was the Belgian 1878 and 1884 in 9.4mm, there was the Swedish 1887, Norwegian 1893 and Sewbian models in 7.5mm, the Brazilian and Argentine .44s, the model 1910 (never adopted) even had a swing-out cylinder. - Nyles

== confusing ==

this doesnt have much to do about guns but when they are under big ben and house's of parliment rachael mcadams runs through pipes and gets to tower bridge and downey Jr and lord blackwood follow. surly that would take someone about an hour to get there. they are miles apart. very confusing [[user:smish34|smish34]]

That is correct. Thanks to Sir Joseph Bazalgette - they had to chase through the sewage in Victoria embankment (1870). That was more than two miles of running in London Sewer, from the Parliament to Tower Bridge. But I suppose they can't create the climax if the final battle took place on The Westminster Bridge.

Another non-gun related point to make. Being a pipe smoker myself, I am rather upseted by the down-toning of Holmes' pipe smoking habbit because of the changing of social habit of modern days. But at least the choice of pipe used in the film fits with the describition in the novel, a straight-stem 'Old Black Pipe' which could be the same one he smoked in 'The adventure of the creeping man'. Instead of the curved-stem calabash pipe made famous by previous Holmes films, which was introduced by William Gillette - since he found it was difficult to deliver his lines with a straight-stem pipe in his mouth. In all of the Sir Conan Doyle stories, Holmes smoked either a briar, clay or cherrywood pipe.

Also, as you might notice the username of mine is my favourite model of pipe.

K&P 317

:Yeah, but don't forget that in the novels he also injects cocain and heroin frequently. I'm sure Robert Downey Jr. is glad that got taken out, as it probably would've given him some bad flashbacks.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 04:17, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Holmes never injected heroin.

The liquid he was drinking above the fight club was cocaine, it was a nod to Holmes' drug use. I'm assuming that the producers thought the general public wouldn't approve of a Holmes that did drugs but they wanted to be as accurate as possible, so they had him imbibe cocaine in liquid form for us fans(which was used as an anesthetic at the time)and the general public wouldn't
think twice about it. I also really doubt Downey would give much of a fuss.

The gentleman/lady above is correct.
Although the movie did not depict what type of drug Holmes was drinking, Heroin did not exist until 1895, as a registered brand name of the German drug company Bayer. Holmes used cocaine and morphine.

It was legal, even fashionable in upper class to use these kind of recreational drugs in the late Vactorian era, i.e. the Great Binge. All of them could be easily obtained over the counter. Technicly, even the pope were on drugs in those days. Both Pius X and Leo XIII were very fond of vin Mariani, which contains cocaine. Besides, they smoked cigars. (Wish the current pope can be just as cool)

The great binge lasted until early stage of the 14-18 war, Harrods used to sell gift sets contained cocaine and heroine for front line soldiers. K&P 317

== Winchester 1887 ==

I could have sworn in the beginning of the movie when we see London police prepare themselves in the carriage, one of them was chambering a shell into a shotgun like the 1887. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I thought it was a double-barreled shotgun. Rex095

That was definately an 1887 Winchester.

== Suppressed revolver? ==

For Sherlock Holmes being a smart man, he thought he could invent a suppressor but forgot that suppressors can't won't on revolvers because of the open revolving chamber [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:he was also in drugs and extremely bored at the time.
:You do realize that even a drunk Holmes can make pointless discoveries that no one cares about [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

==Police sidearms==
This film accurately portrays the London Police as carrying firearms in the late Nineteenth Century. Does anyone know when the British decided to disarm their police force?

Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-01-20T16:22:37Z

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Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-01-20T15:20:50Z

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Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-01-18T09:21:13Z

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Talk:Sherlock Holmes (2009)

2010-01-18T08:39:23Z

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