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Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-09-17T04:16:17Z

Johnoneal: /* P226 */ new section

== Uknown Rifle ==

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
:Only thing I could think of was, since they got picked up in California by the Army maybe they acquired some gear from them? "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 18:50, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

:After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link [http://nevadagunleather.com/IWB-Inside-waist-band-143.htm here]. Appreciate the help. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:This is why I love this site! "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the [[Media:Strike_Back_S04E03_033.jpg|necklace radio pressels]] they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Induction loop earpieces are a real thing but I'm not sure what type Section 20 uses. Last episode, S04E03 gave the best look so far and the closest thing I've found to them have been a bluetooth system (http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2013-01/21/134426046_Bluetooth_inductive_neckloop_with_mini_wireless_306_earpiece_kit_s.jpg) "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:51, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"
::I don't think they are induction loops, as they just hang on a chain like dogtags (there were a couple of good shots of them in episode 4). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:24, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the first real good shots where when Dalton pulled them out of the glove box. I'd be interested in knowing what the hell it is. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 22:15, 7 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Here are a couple of caps of them:[[File:Strike Back S04E04 300.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]][[File:Strike Back S04E04 329.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:46, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

== MP5s in S03E05 ==

I will upload caps for this tomorrow, but just wanted to say my god there were a lot of MP5 variants in that episode. So far I have spotted MP5A2s, MP5A3s, an MP5SD2, an MP5K PDW with a UMP stock, a regular MP5K and a couple of "Reverse Stretch" MP5Ks. I can't quite work out what some of the MP5s were at the airport at the end were though. They looked to be MP5A3s with Navy trigger packs and "F" stocks, however the magazine has me confused. It is straight, but it doesn't match anything I have seen before as it doesn't have the waffle texture of the old style mags (and is too long for a 20 round and too short for a 30), but is too short to be a regular .40 or 10mm mag:
[[File:Strike Back S04E05 314.jpg|thumb|600px|none]]
Any ideas?--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

== P226 ==

Looks like every member of 20 is carrying a Sig P226 in Episode 5. [[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 00:16, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-09-08T02:15:25Z

Johnoneal: /* Scott and Stonebridge's Gear */

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-27T22:50:41Z

Johnoneal: /* Uknown Rifle */

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-27T16:51:26Z

Johnoneal: /* Scott and Stonebridge's Gear */

== Uknown Rifle ==

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

:After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link [http://nevadagunleather.com/IWB-Inside-waist-band-143.htm here]. Appreciate the help. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:This is why I love this site! "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the [[Media:Strike_Back_S04E03_033.jpg|necklace radio pressels]] they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Induction loop earpieces are a real thing but I'm not sure what type Section 20 uses. Last episode, S04E03 gave the best look so far and the closest thing I've found to them have been a bluetooth system (http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/2013-01/21/134426046_Bluetooth_inductive_neckloop_with_mini_wireless_306_earpiece_kit_s.jpg) "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:51, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-27T16:46:29Z

Johnoneal: /* Scott and Stonebridge's Gear */

== Uknown Rifle ==

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

The clearest shot of that IWB holster is in S2E3 when Markunda removes Scott's Glock from it. There's some sort of logo or inscription on the metal clip, but I've never been able to make out what it says. They do look to be using the same ones this season, so here's hoping we get a nice close-up. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 23:42, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

:After a few minutes of sliding sliders, resizing, cropping and rotating a screencap of that scene, it looks to say "El Paso", and Google leads me to El Paso Leather (And El Paso Saddlery, but that is the wrong company, though they make nice looking holsters) which has the right logo. Unfortunately, they don't have an online catalog to find the specific model of holster.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 01:16, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:I did a few minutes on Google and found that El Paso Leather is now Nevada Gun Leather. Try www.nevadagunleather.com and see if the holster is there. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 02:43, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:Nevada Gun Leather does have an IWB holster that looks to fit the bill. Checking around, it turns out that the holsters themselves are manufactured in South Africa, the frequent home base for filming the show. Link [http://nevadagunleather.com/IWB-Inside-waist-band-143.htm here]. Appreciate the help. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 08:27, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

:This is why I love this site! "[[User:Johnoneal|Johnoneal]] ([[User talk:Johnoneal|talk]]) 12:46, 27 August 2013 (EDT)"

Speaking of the gear, does anybody know if the [[Media:Strike_Back_S04E03_033.jpg|necklace radio pressels]] they have our a real thing or if they are totally made up? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:07, 26 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-26T02:15:15Z

Johnoneal: /* Scott and Stonebridge's Gear */

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge is carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

== Scott and Stonebridge's Gear ==

May be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested, the men get quite a bit of their gear from Condor: http://www.condoroutdoor.com/index.aspx. This includes their leg holsters and belts and I believe their vests and slings too, although I've yet to figure out the exact models. They also rely on Oakley gloves, Casio G-Shock and Protrek watches, Ray Ban sunglasses and CRKT folding knives. Hope this helps anyone who's been searching for a similar loadout. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 20:41, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this is a good topic for the discussion session because there has been times when I've been curious what they were using, just because. I always try to identify what holsters they carry in the small of their backs but can't get a clear look, and I have way too much free time on my hands... - John

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-26T02:13:41Z

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Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-26T02:13:10Z

Johnoneal: /* Scott and Stonebridge's Gear */

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-24T13:40:16Z

Johnoneal: /* Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery */

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-24T03:28:39Z

Johnoneal: /* Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery */

OK , I admit I'm clueless what Stonebridge uses, at first it seemed like a modified Vikhr or a 9A91, but its clearly not, so did they chop something up? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:43, 10 August 2013 (EDT)
:I'm watching it right now, assuming this is the gun you are talking about it's one of those modern CSA Sa. Vz. 58 Compacts:[[File:SA vz.58 Compact 7.62x39mm.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]][[ File:SB S04E01 SA VZ58 Compact.jpg |thumb|600px|none|]] I'll add screens for the rest of the guns that turn up later assuming nobady else does it before me. EDIT: just noticed this is a 5.56 gun which is also fitted with an [http://www.csa.co.cz/en/16-aktuality/2-sa-vz-58-adapter.html M16 magazine well adapter]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:11, 10 August 2013 (EDT)

Yup, definitely a shorty Vz 58. Took me awhile to notice the magwell adapter, but definitely you knew it wasn't a 7.62x39 gun with the shape of the mag. [[User:52TulaSKS|52TulaSKS]] ([[User talk:52TulaSKS|talk]]) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Noticed the STANAG M4 mag straight away , since I was thinking weird choice , but at least they can share mags. I mean it really is a weird choice, it even has the old lastochkin hvost scope mount thats what made me think it was russian. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Did you notice the part in the episode where the scope mount falls off and hits him in the face? I agree it is a weird choice, particularly for a British team operating in Columbia, but I have long since suspended my disbelief about nonsensical guns when watching films and TV filmed in SA. I think it is pretty cool looking though with those accessories, I can see why they chose to use it. Kind of weird though that is is a Czech gun, and the only things it has appeared in are filmed in Canada and South Africa. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:30, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Yeah that was weird, could be because the scope is a bit too heavy ( ussually they have like a eotech's or cobra's on those mounts) or due too recoil (they probably fire the gun all day, doubtful they do it in one take and the firing scenes are probably back to back) But the show is sort of guilty pleasure for me, you know unrealistic and all but great fun, could have less nudity on Scott's part though its anoying since it does nothing to the story and its like 2 minutes each ep. But gun porn is always fun, I guess the gun makes sense, its short and all if they could not get their hands on anything else, but its weird that Scott and the new chick have M4 types, they also filmed some stuff in soviet block countries after 4th episode. What I don't like about the new season is the chick fest OK Richmond is mostly support and Dalton used to be a honey-pott so she sort of works as a middle level spook, but how many women are believable as badass in a small unit as this, and there is the Israeli agent and there was Grant. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:26, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:My guess about the scope mount is that the release lever got caught on something, as after that point it has tape over it. I haven't seen much about future episodes, just the season trailer and a few promo images, but it looks like they are making rhe vz. 58 Compact their go-to gun. TBH I don't really have too much of a problem with it, its not like they are regular forces (or even part of UKSF), and I have seen SAS/SBS using all kinds of AK variants when trying to look local in Iraq/Afghanistan. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:39, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

One of the guys in the boat with Scott and Stonebridge has an AR-15 carbine that looks to resemble a Colt Model 723, but it's hard to make out the details of the receiver. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:17, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:When I watched it I thought it was one of their M4 type rifles same as Martinez and Scott so didn't pay much attention, but now that you have pointed it out it looks more like a fixed carry handle gun. Will give it a proper look when I get home and try and get a proper ID. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:22, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

Seeems like an unchoped variant of Scott's M4, which is what an A1?, seems too long for a 723 --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:48, 11 August 2013 (EDT)
:Not sure as it is never really seen, but I think it is a different gun. I can't really tell if it has a flat top but it seems to have an A1 rear sight, which unless it is a Diemaco I think means it is a fixed carry handle gun. Also, I don't think Scott's gun is chopped, I think it is more likely the suppressor is a fake slip over one. Also, the M4, M4a1 and 723 are all the same length, which to me looks the same as this gun. I can make out a brass deflector so would guess it is an A1E1 upper like on the 723. The barrel profile of this looks like an M4 though which doesn't match the 723 (have heard late 723 had an M4 barrel but I've never seen one), but I wouldn't worry too much about the barrel profile, as I think Hire Arms might mode their guns to give their barrels an M4 profile even when they're not. For example, look at [http://www.hirearms.com/change/uploads/images/edit/203%20copy.jpg this] image and compare the width of the barrel inside the front sight and ahead of it. On a [http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Charles%20Daly%20Carbines/IMG_3574%201028%20WEVO.jpg real M4] they should be the same but this barrel is noticeably larger ahead of the FSB. My guess is that they fit metal sleeves over thin A1 profile barrels to give them this appearance. Regardless, I think most of the AR-15s used on the show are cobbled together mockups, so I don't think a definite ID can be determined. I'll probably call it a 723 just to call it something and make a note of the fact it has had something done to the barrel. Hopefully the same gun will turn up in a later episode where we can get a shot of it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

What i don't get it is why is Stonebridge using a berretta? I doubt that was the only thing they had. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 03:19, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

== Smoke Grenades ==

These are real smoke grenades that are used by the SA police, but I can't find a name for them. The best I can find is [http://www.sapstf.org/Equipment.aspx this] website about the South African Police Special Task Force which has a very small [http://www.sapstf.org/Pic/equipment/grenade%20smoke.jpg image] of it, but refers to it only as a smoke grenade. The spoon covers the writing on the body so that all I can make out is that it is an M8 something. If you zoom in on the spoon it looks like it says M8534A1, but I get no results searching for this. Does anybody know what these are? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:26, 18 August 2013 (EDT)
:This webpage has some pictures of similar grenades: http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/southafrica/index.html It looks like the grenades used in the scene have a tapered body (like [http://www.lexpev.nl/images/sudafricaswartkliprp_200.jpg this]), rather than the typical cylindrical M83. I don't know if they have a particular designation. [[User:APS221|APS221]] ([[User talk:APS221|talk]]) 06:13, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
::They are similar, clearly following the same pattern, but it is a different grenade. Firstly that is a red phosphorous grenade rather than a smoke one, and secondly the design is slightly different with the mystery smoke one having ports in the tapered top section of the grenade. I think the smoke one has a specific designation, as you can read that it starts as M8 something, it is just not possible to read what it is from the only photo I can find. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:16, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Stonebridge's handgun during the robbery ==

During the start of the stock exchange robbery, when Stonebridge is handling the security guard that stumbles on them in the safety deposit box vault, he appears to be carrying a Glock and not the Beretta from S04E01. I can't get a screenshot but there are a few clear frames when he is on top of the guard right before he knocks him out and the grip of the handgun in the small of his back is clearly a Glock, possibly a Gen 2.
:Got it, nice spot. It is a bit of a continuity error (not counting the fact that he has changed pistol) as it is present when they are in the bank up until the point when they leave the door, and then it seems to disappear for the firefight outside. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:19, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Perhaps he puts it in the bag when he puts his vest on or somewhere in a vest pocket and they did return to their mobile base perhaps he picked it up there. Or the simplest explanation the armorer realised theres no reason he would have a berretta or the glock became available again. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 17:23, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:I just rewatched it, and he has it in the small of his back after he puts his vest on and they are preparing to leave, but in the next shot with them walking through the lobby it is gone. It stays absent for the firefight, before reappearing when they commandeer the car and is still there at the safe house. My guess is that it disappears for this scene due to it being a liability considering the stunts he was doing in that shootout (getting thrown back onto the table when shot, crawling across the floor on his back while covering Scott, stuff like that). Also, in one shot it looks like he is wearing a pad or protector under his shirt on his lower back in this scene *for the getting shot stunt) which would interfere with the gun. I saw a behind the scenes thing about this shootout and the way they tend to film these scenes is to choreograph it with multiple cameras and do long takes that cover the whole of the action, so if the gun needed to be missing for one stunt it would be missing for most of the scene. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:Here are some pics:[[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Once they exist the bank the Glock is gone.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Also he clearly wearing some kind of pad or spine protector.]][[File:Strike Back S04E02 Glock3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|When commandering the car the spine protector is gone and the Glock is back.]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

The actor said in one of the behind the scenes video's that they now wear lots of padding --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 06:41, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

As of S04E03 Stonebridge seems to be carrying a full size Glock, likely a 17, while Scott continues to carry the same Beretta. Again I am unable to get a screenshot but there are many scenes in S04E03 where Michael is carrying a Glock.

Talk:Strike Back - Season 4

2013-08-20T22:00:25Z

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Numb3rs

2009-11-19T21:44:37Z

Johnoneal: Kel-Tec PLR-16

[[Image:Numb3rsCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Numb3rs (television series)]]
[[Category:Television]]

==Glock 23==
FBI Special Agent Don Eppes' ([[Rob Morrow]]) main service pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 23|Glock 23]] .40 S&W caliber pistol.
[[Image:Numb312.png|thumb|none|500px|FBI Special Agent Don Eppes ([[Rob Morrow]]) with a Glock 23]]
[[Image:Numb313.png|thumb|none|500px|Eppes ([[Rob Morrow]]) firing his Glock 23]]
[[Image:Numb315.png|thumb|none|500px|Eppes ([[Rob Morrow]]) aiming a Glock 23]]

FBI Special Agent David Sinclair's main service pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 23|Glock 23]] .40 S&W caliber pistol.
Agent Sinclair carries a Glock 23 NOT a Glock 22. If you look carefully in the episodes the slide is too short and so is the frame. Also in Season 4 episode 4 during the standoff in the elevator it is clearly marked as a Glock 23.
[[Image:Numb308.png|thumb|none|500px|Sinclair with his Glock 23]]
[[Image:Numb311.png|thumb|none|500px|Glock 23]]

==Smith & Wesson PC 945==
FBI Special Agent Colby Granger switches to a Smith & Wesson PC 945 with a two tone slide. Agent Granger switched to this pistol in season 5 episode "Trouble in Chinatown" useing it to gun down a shooter while waiting on his takeout food with Agent Sinclair.

==Springfield Armory Custom TRP==
FBI Special Agent Colby Granger's main service pistol is a .45 ACP Springfield Armory Custom TRP Professional Model (Tactical Response Pistol), which indicates he is SWAT/HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) qualified, since only SWAT/HRT qualified FBI agents are authorized to carry that weapon on duty.
[[Image:Numb307.png|thumb|none|500px|Granger with his Springfield Armory Custom TRP at the ready]]

==Glock 27==
FBI Special Agent Nikki Betancourt and former Agent Megan Reeves' main service pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 27|Glock 27]] .40 S&W caliber pistol.
[[Image:Numb310.png|thumb|none|500px|Betancourt holds her Glock 27]]

==Beretta 92FS==
This is the main service pistol of all LAPD officers.

==M4A1==
This weapon is used by SWAT members and FBI agents in many episodes, usually with EOTechs and other add-ons.

==Springfield Armory M1A==
Used by the sniper in episode 1 season 6 to shoot at the FBI agents in the park.

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==

==IMI Uzi==

==IMI Micro Uzi==

==MAC-10==

==Heckler & Koch USP==
Used by a cyber criminal. This guy really should have stuck to computers, because he was a lousy shot.

==G36==
Used by a hostage taker on a bus.

==FN P90==
Used by Mexican death squad and gang shooting up a restauraunt, also used to kill several thugs. An FBI agent states "these are FN P90 casings".

==Kel-Tec PLR-16==
Used in "One Hour" by the main kidnapper. Can be seen in opening sequence when he chases down the boy on the bike after killing his body guards.

Heroes (TV Series)

2009-08-28T01:19:08Z

Johnoneal: /* Unknown shotguns */

The following firearms were used or seen in this series

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== Handguns ==

=== Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911 ===

The [[1911#Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911]] features prominently in ''[[Heroes]]''; it is carried by Noah Bennet a.k.a. ''The Man in the Horn-Rimmed Glasses'' ([[Jack Coleman]]), Mr. Linderman ([[Malcolm McDowell]]), and Mr. Thompson ([[Eric Roberts]]). Essentially, if a character is associated with ''The Company'' there's a good chance they'll be packing a [[1911|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911]].

[[Image:Strayer-Voigt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Strayer Voight Infinitey .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:134.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Straight from the SVI website; ""Heroes" Pistol: Infinity .45 IMM Open with Iron Sights ]]
[[Image:Heroes-1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mr. Linderman ([[Malcolm McDowell]]) lies dead on the floor, his [[1911|Strayer Voigt Infinity 1911]] at his side. ]]

[[Image:Heroes-19112.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19113.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19114.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19115.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19116.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19117.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Heroes-19118.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

=== Heckler & Koch P2000SK ===

Jessica ''(Nikki Sanders' alter ego)'' ([[Ali Larter]]) fires a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|H&K P2000SK]] in several episodes.
[[Image:H&KP200SK Right.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch P2000SK - 9mm]]
[[Image:HeroesP2000SK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Jessica" ([[Ali Larter]]) points her [[Heckler & Koch P2000|H&K P2000SK]] ]]
[[Image:HeroesP2000SK-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Jessica" ([[Ali Larter]]) runs with a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|H&K P2000SK]] ]]

=== Beretta 92FS ===

In several episodes, Matt Parkman ([[Greg Grunberg]]) can be seen carrying an LAPD issue [[Beretta M92F|Beretta 92FS]] which he uses in the episode ''One Giant Leap'' to save FBI Agent Audrey Hanson ([[Clea DuVall]]) by firing a few shots at Sylar ([[Zachary Quinto]])
when he has her gun turned on her, to which the villian gets back up seemingly unharmed.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS 9mm]]
[[Image:Heroes92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|none|Disguised as a security guard, Ando Masahashi aims his gun at a future version of his friend Hiro.]]
[[Image:Heroes Beretta.jpg|thumb|400px||none|Matt with his [[Beretta M92F|Beretta 92FS]] after shooting at Sylar.]]

=== Glock 19 ===

In the episode ''One Giant Leap'', FBI Agent Audrey Hanson ([[Clea DuVall]]) can be seen chasing Sylar ([[Zachary Quinto]]) with a [[Glock|Glock 19]] handgun. She tries to arrest him but the villian uses his Telekinesis to turn her own gun but she is saved when Matt ([[Greg Grunberg]]) knocks him down with several shots from his [[Beretta M92F|Beretta]].

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 9mm.]]
[[Image:Heroes_Glock.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Audrey Hanson with her [[Glock|Glock 19]] turned on her ]]
[[Image:Heroes_Glock_2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Another shot of Audrey Hanson's [[Glock]].]]

=== Strayer Voigt Infinity Tiki-T ===

A Strayer Voigt Infinity Tiki-T was seen in episode 7 of season 3 used by Daphne the super speedster on Matt. She gave up and dropped it. You can see the word Infinity on the side of the gun.
[[Image:Tiki1 368 206.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Infinity Tiki-T - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HeroesSVI.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:HeroesSVI2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HeroesSVI3.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]

===1911===

Peter Petrelli ([[Milo Ventimiglia]]) hands Claire Bennet ([[Hayden Panettiere]]) a [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1 Government]] with brown plastic grips and provides her with instructions to shoot him in the head if he is going to explode.

[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 with lon trigger and pachmyr grips.]]
[[Image:Heroes1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:1911_Claire.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

===Colt Python===

Seen in Ernie's house is a [[Colt Python]] with a nickel finish.
[[Image:Colt-Python.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:HeroesColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

This picture shows a 2 inch barreled Smith and Wesson Model 10 rather than the indicated Colt Python

===Smith & Wesson Model 36===
Noah Bennet owns a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]]. He uses this gun when Matt Parkman and Ted Sprague break into his home, though Ted manages to take it from him. Noah later lends this gun to his wife Sandra, who points it at Bob Bishop when he comes to her home.
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 special.]]
[[Image:HeroesModel36-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HeroesModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

===Smith & Wesson Auto===
Matt's pistol is a Smith & Wesson Auto.
[[Image:HeroesS&Wauto.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:HeroesS&Wauto-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

=== H&K USP ===

[[Image:HeroeUSP.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Emile Danko (Željko Ivanek) threatens Claire Bennet (Hayden Panettiere) with his USP.]]
[[Image:HeroeUSP1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia) holds a USP on his brother Nathan (Adrian Pasdar).]]
[[Image:HeroeUSP2.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Eric Doyle (David H. Lawrence XVII) uses his ability to force Rachel Mills (Taylor Cole) to point her gun at her own head.]]

=== Glock 26 ===

[[Image:HeroesGlock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== Browning Hi-Power ===

[[Image:HeroesCZ75.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== Sphinx AT380 ===

A Sphinx AT380 Pistol seen in the hands of several different people in various different scenes throughout the first episode of season three. In the opening scene Claire uses it to try to shoot Peter, who freezes time and takes it from her, then uses it to shoot Nathan, then stashes it. When he comes back later to retrieve it Matt has it and he confronts Peter about it.

[[Image:Sphinx-AT380.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sphinx AT380 - .380 ACP]]
* Sile was a distributor of the Sphinx AT380 made in Switzerland.
[[Image:Heroes S03E01 - Chapter One 'The Second Coming'-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Heroes S03E01 - Chapter One 'The Second Coming'-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Heroes_S03E01_-_Chapter_One_'The_Second_Coming'.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Heroes S03E01 - Chapter One 'The Second Coming'-5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Heroes_S03E01_-_Chapter_One_'The_Second_Coming'-6.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Rifles ==

=== Blaser R93 LRS2===

Jessica's alternate personality bought a [[Blaser R93 Sniper Rifle|Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper Rifle]] and used it to try to kill D.L. The dealer said that the rifle was a "Kinsella 320Z." However, no such rifle actually exists or the amount she paid with would be worth it for the seller.

[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper Rifle - .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[Image:HeroesBlazer93.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

=== AK variants===

[[Image:HeroesAK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== Unknown Rifle ===

[[Image:Heroesgunun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

[[Image:Heroesgunun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== M4A1 ===

Used by US special forces and once by Noah.

[[Image:HeroesM4.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HeroesM4a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HeroesM4b.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:HeroesM4c.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== M16 ===
[[Image:HeroesM16.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Shotguns ==

=== Remington 870 ===

Chaire and Noah had these shotguns in the 13th episode of season 3.

[[Image:Heroesshotgun1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=== Unknown shotguns ===

Seen in Episode 14 and 15 of seaosn 3. They could be Remington 870s with pistol grips, telescoptic stocks and cocking grips.
:Mossberg 590s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I agree. They look like Mossberg 590s. [[Shadow45]]
G4's Attack of The Show did a behind the scene feature on the weapons of Heroes. They are Mossberg. - John
http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/moviesandtv/66647/Behind-the-Scenes-The-Weapons-of-Heroes.html
[[Image:Heroesshottgunun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
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