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Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2011-09-07T05:42:41Z

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==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe Basset is so damn useless that he hasn't even figured out that Glocks don't come with manual safeties... --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:28, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

:I'm also reasonably certain the 82nd Airborne Division doesn't have tanks in their TO&E, yet the (un)dead soldier in the tank had an 82nd patch on his left shoulder. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Well i would imagine that in the chaos of the zombie apocalypse lots of soldiers ended up with other units doin jobs they aren't really trained for.

Actually smaller units are frequently attached (I believe the Brits call it seconded) to other units for mission purposes. Some armor battalions spent the whole campaign in France (WW II, 1944-1945) being attached to various infantry units - to include the airborne. After all the elements of the 9th and 10th armor divisions that were in Bastogne during the siege fell under the 101st Airborne for the duration of that battle. Funny how the airborne mafia always seems to forget about all the ''other'' troops that fought in that battle. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:17, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

*Naw, that one they've actually made some modifications to like building up the hull and turret to be more Abrams-like and putting an M1-style bulge over the cylindrical fume extractor. This is just a Chieftain with a fake M2 awkwardly perched on top of the hatch weapon mounting. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:07, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:It's not a P228. The screencap doesn't show it well, but I checked the episode again, and it's possible to see that it has the squared trigger guard of the P226, rather than rounded, as on a P228. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe somebody "requisitioned" (read: looted) it from the National Infantry Museum or Fort Benning; both are in or around Columbus, GA, which isn't exactly close to Atlanta, but it's the closest place I can think of where you might plausibly find a DShK. When you need more HMGs, you grab what's available. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 20:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Weird though, since they obviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, those M2HBs are still there in episodes 2 ("Guts," when Grimes escapes from the tank) and 4 ("Vatos," when Glenn goes to retrieve the Bag O' Guns) and they pass at least two M2HBs on the way to the CDC's front door after they pass the DShK. They weren't just there for the pilot. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 09:18, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

My thought was militia that made a last stand with the army to protect the people gathering at the CDC (notice the weapon is surrounded by bodies in civilian clothes), the DShK having been purchased by one of the members (legitimately or otherwise) and subsequently put to use following the outbreak. - Wolfblade670

Maybe the Russians dropped in tom VDV to help protect the CDC. -Jakezergling

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

AUA/

I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

AUA/

*Well it is a show about the dead walking around and eating the flesh of the living. I'm willing to overlook the amazing skill that Rick displays with headshots.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:28, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

:Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt [[Special:Contributions/109.157.4.163|109.157.4.163]] 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Popular Cop Guns ==
An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life." This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.

:There aren't too many police depts issuing the Beretta 92F anymore, even though Hollywood still shows them being carried by cops. Anyway, Glock holds just under 2/3rds of the U.S. law enforcement market, SIG-Sauer holds about 1/3rd, and a number of other makes (S&W, H&K, Beretta, etc.) are constantly fighting each other for what's left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]

Ah, that's right.
Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.)
Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim

There was once a time when the S&W Model 15/67, the S&W Model 13/65. Colt Official Police, Ruger Six Series revolvers, the S&W Model 19/66 and the Colt Lawman/Trooper Mk III were also very popular Cop revolvers.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:40, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

== Flash suppressor on M4A1 ==

Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?
:I thought it was a nongun.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.179.105|129.89.179.105]] 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
::Just for reference,
::[[Image:M4A1nongun.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M4A1 Non Gun]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's a Non Gun M4. Look at the range at which he's shooting at his comrades. Blanks are dangerous if an actor is shooting at other actors who are that close, so they probably had to use the Non Gun instead. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:Actually, the Aimpoint M68 CCO (in this case I believe it is a Comp M2 or ML2) can be used with the foreward lens cover closed. Used in this method, it forms an occuladed eye-sight, which were one of the first types of weapons optics employed. Using an occuladed eye-sight is very similar in principle to the BAC method employed in some Trijicon ACOGs, both eyes are left open and due to the way the brain processes images from the eye, what the left (or right eye sees) downrange has the red dot from the other eye (which is looking down the sight) superimposed on it. This is useful as there are rumors that the red dot (particularly in the Aimpoint family) can in fact be detected from in front of the weapon due to the intensity of the light, espiecially in night battle conditions. So the sceintist might really know what he is doing, but it is just as likely it was a mistake by the prop department.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 22:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== I liked Rick's reaction when he pulled the pin on the grenade in the last episode ==

He was thinkin "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and then hauled ass outta there haha. I liked that little detail, along with him getting knocked off his feet as he tried to get as far away from it as possible, instead of the clichè "walk slowly towards the camera as a bomb goes off behind you with a bad-ass grimace on your face". This show had a lot of nice little details like that. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I liked that too. i hate when like the everyday joe can slowly walk away from a huge explosion,[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

I like the way that he pulled the pin and had the "Oh my GOD!" moment when he suddenly realised that he needed to run fast. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:49, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

== Season 2 ==

Anyone seen the trailer yet for the second seaons? It's been out for a few weeks now. I jus--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)t thought it was interesting that it hasn't been mentioned here.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-18T00:51:09Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Morita shot */

I have one of the Morita Rifles from the movie but it's all beat up. I still have my battle armor from the movie shoot (you know, the guy that was standing 355th from the guy on the left! ;) I'll try to fix up the Morita rifle and photograph it. sigh, yet another thing to do. MPM2008

:No stress. There are actually lots of pics of the Moritas from the movie floating around on the 'Net, but obviously, we'd rather have one of yours than something taken from another site. Whenever you get around to it. -MT2008

::Are you by any chance visible in any of these shots MPM? Obviously I wouldn't ask you to point yourself out if you are, but I'd still find it cool to know if you were. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Does your Morita rifle still work?
::::Uh, the Moritas are shells. Any live guns like the Ruger AC556 and short barreled Ithaca 37 would be removed and locked up in the vault with all the other cinema weapons. My morita can still fit a Ruger Mini 14 but there were tons of internal structural damage and putting the rifle back in and trying to fire it would just result in a rifle bouncing around a sci fi shell, which is really unsafe. I have some Morita pulls, i.e. stunt Moritas which were molded with the Rifle and and short Ithaca 37 mounted so that it looks complete. I will see what I can do but the Morita still needs a bunch of repairs. remember it's over 13 years old.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Dude, that would be badass! If I had one I would bring it to the range and turn some heads-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

----

in the book the mobile infantry used power armor that made tanks look cheap.
they never said the full armament in the book. the weapons mention were "pewee nukes", a bomb launcher on the back, "hand flamers", some sort of energy weapon called a "knife beam"
also having jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one. so they can move fast and kick ass. every mobile infantry used power armor making them a formidable fighting force

:The CGI series was more accurate with the book somewhat, and the 3rd movie, straight to DVD of course brought the power armor. I want to know what the guns are built from in that movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe they were M1 Thompsons in a really big plastic shell. I'll try to screencap that at some point. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

also the bugs in the book had ships, city and energy weapons
== Live fire exercise section ==

I'm not sure who wrote this, but they seem to have missed the point a little; it's ''supposed'' to be ridiculously unsafe, fitting in with the movie's nature as a satire; it's the classic 'badass bootcamp' sequence taken to the level of outright absurdity. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:I wrote this, and no Vangelis, it is not excuseable. It is dumb, plain and simple. It makes the audience groan, and not in a good way. Verhoeven did a lot that was intentionally over the top. This was just stupid. They were trying to make the camp look busy and bustling with people, but even during filming, people were grousing about how dumb the entire live fire layout was. Try not to make excuses for it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== I could do more damage with an airsoft rifle! ==
As much as I actually do enjoy this movie, the Mobile Infantry couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

the MI in the book were better Rex095

== SouthPaw Morita shot ==

I believe that shot is reversed, if you watch the original trailer they have the same shot but the not reversed I'm assuming

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2909/mortia.png

Since you obviously don't pay attention to the captions written under the screenshots, the creator of this page even pointed it out that it's a reverse shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

"An impressive lineup of Morita Rifles. Either the shot is reversed or all the actors are aiming their rifles "Southpaw" or Left handed".
It does not state that it is just implies that it is.

==The future is here==
Has the Morita inspired this? [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 20:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
http://www.military.com/news/article/army-sending-new-airburst-gun-to-101st.html

No, that gun was part of the OICW project. The OICW project had been around since before the ST movie came out.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 21:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

And the X-25 is just an airburst grenade launcher. It's not an assault rifle. It used to be part of the OICW project and it used to be BIGGER because the airburst grenade launcher has an assault rifle underneath it. I mean, if you've done more research on bullpup rifles, you can see many other weapons that are very successful, like the AUG, FAMAS or the Tavor. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Here in Leftieland we don't get much news on weapons so it's new to us.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]]

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-18T00:50:51Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Morita shot */

I have one of the Morita Rifles from the movie but it's all beat up. I still have my battle armor from the movie shoot (you know, the guy that was standing 355th from the guy on the left! ;) I'll try to fix up the Morita rifle and photograph it. sigh, yet another thing to do. MPM2008

:No stress. There are actually lots of pics of the Moritas from the movie floating around on the 'Net, but obviously, we'd rather have one of yours than something taken from another site. Whenever you get around to it. -MT2008

::Are you by any chance visible in any of these shots MPM? Obviously I wouldn't ask you to point yourself out if you are, but I'd still find it cool to know if you were. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Does your Morita rifle still work?
::::Uh, the Moritas are shells. Any live guns like the Ruger AC556 and short barreled Ithaca 37 would be removed and locked up in the vault with all the other cinema weapons. My morita can still fit a Ruger Mini 14 but there were tons of internal structural damage and putting the rifle back in and trying to fire it would just result in a rifle bouncing around a sci fi shell, which is really unsafe. I have some Morita pulls, i.e. stunt Moritas which were molded with the Rifle and and short Ithaca 37 mounted so that it looks complete. I will see what I can do but the Morita still needs a bunch of repairs. remember it's over 13 years old.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Dude, that would be badass! If I had one I would bring it to the range and turn some heads-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

----

in the book the mobile infantry used power armor that made tanks look cheap.
they never said the full armament in the book. the weapons mention were "pewee nukes", a bomb launcher on the back, "hand flamers", some sort of energy weapon called a "knife beam"
also having jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one. so they can move fast and kick ass. every mobile infantry used power armor making them a formidable fighting force

:The CGI series was more accurate with the book somewhat, and the 3rd movie, straight to DVD of course brought the power armor. I want to know what the guns are built from in that movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe they were M1 Thompsons in a really big plastic shell. I'll try to screencap that at some point. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

also the bugs in the book had ships, city and energy weapons
== Live fire exercise section ==

I'm not sure who wrote this, but they seem to have missed the point a little; it's ''supposed'' to be ridiculously unsafe, fitting in with the movie's nature as a satire; it's the classic 'badass bootcamp' sequence taken to the level of outright absurdity. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:I wrote this, and no Vangelis, it is not excuseable. It is dumb, plain and simple. It makes the audience groan, and not in a good way. Verhoeven did a lot that was intentionally over the top. This was just stupid. They were trying to make the camp look busy and bustling with people, but even during filming, people were grousing about how dumb the entire live fire layout was. Try not to make excuses for it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== I could do more damage with an airsoft rifle! ==
As much as I actually do enjoy this movie, the Mobile Infantry couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

the MI in the book were better Rex095

== SouthPaw Morita shot ==

I believe that shot is reversed, if you watch the original trailer they have the same shot but the not reversed I'm assuming

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2909/mortia.png

Since you obviously don't pay attention to the captions written under the screenshots, the creator of this page even pointed it out that it's a reverse shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:10, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

An impressive lineup of Morita Rifles. Either the shot is reversed or all the actors are aiming their rifles "Southpaw" or Left handed. It does not state that it is just implies that it is.

==The future is here==
Has the Morita inspired this? [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 20:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
http://www.military.com/news/article/army-sending-new-airburst-gun-to-101st.html

No, that gun was part of the OICW project. The OICW project had been around since before the ST movie came out.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 21:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

And the X-25 is just an airburst grenade launcher. It's not an assault rifle. It used to be part of the OICW project and it used to be BIGGER because the airburst grenade launcher has an assault rifle underneath it. I mean, if you've done more research on bullpup rifles, you can see many other weapons that are very successful, like the AUG, FAMAS or the Tavor. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Here in Leftieland we don't get much news on weapons so it's new to us.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]]

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-14T02:09:06Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Morita shot */

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-14T02:08:48Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Mortia shot */

I have one of the Morita Rifles from the movie but it's all beat up. I still have my battle armor from the movie shoot (you know, the guy that was standing 355th from the guy on the left! ;) I'll try to fix up the Morita rifle and photograph it. sigh, yet another thing to do. MPM2008

:No stress. There are actually lots of pics of the Moritas from the movie floating around on the 'Net, but obviously, we'd rather have one of yours than something taken from another site. Whenever you get around to it. -MT2008

::Are you by any chance visible in any of these shots MPM? Obviously I wouldn't ask you to point yourself out if you are, but I'd still find it cool to know if you were. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Does your Morita rifle still work?
::::Uh, the Moritas are shells. Any live guns like the Ruger AC556 and short barreled Ithaca 37 would be removed and locked up in the vault with all the other cinema weapons. My morita can still fit a Ruger Mini 14 but there were tons of internal structural damage and putting the rifle back in and trying to fire it would just result in a rifle bouncing around a sci fi shell, which is really unsafe. I have some Morita pulls, i.e. stunt Moritas which were molded with the Rifle and and short Ithaca 37 mounted so that it looks complete. I will see what I can do but the Morita still needs a bunch of repairs. remember it's over 13 years old.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Dude, that would be badass! If I had one I would bring it to the range and turn some heads-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

----

in the book the mobile infantry used power armor that made tanks look cheap.
they never said the full armament in the book. the weapons mention were "pewee nukes", a bomb launcher on the back, "hand flamers", some sort of energy weapon called a "knife beam"
also having jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one. so they can move fast and kick ass. every mobile infantry used power armor making them a formidable fighting force

:The CGI series was more accurate with the book somewhat, and the 3rd movie, straight to DVD of course brought the power armor. I want to know what the guns are built from in that movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe they were M1 Thompsons in a really big plastic shell. I'll try to screencap that at some point. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

also the bugs in the book had ships, city and energy weapons
== Live fire exercise section ==

I'm not sure who wrote this, but they seem to have missed the point a little; it's ''supposed'' to be ridiculously unsafe, fitting in with the movie's nature as a satire; it's the classic 'badass bootcamp' sequence taken to the level of outright absurdity. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:I wrote this, and no Vangelis, it is not excuseable. It is dumb, plain and simple. It makes the audience groan, and not in a good way. Verhoeven did a lot that was intentionally over the top. This was just stupid. They were trying to make the camp look busy and bustling with people, but even during filming, people were grousing about how dumb the entire live fire layout was. Try not to make excuses for it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== I could do more damage with an airsoft rifle! ==
As much as I actually do enjoy this movie, the Mobile Infantry couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

the MI in the book were better Rex095

== SouthPaw Morita shot ==

I believe that shot is reversed, if you watch the original trailer they have the same shot but the not reversed I'm assuming

[[Media:http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2909/mortia.png]]

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-14T02:08:34Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Mortia shot */

I have one of the Morita Rifles from the movie but it's all beat up. I still have my battle armor from the movie shoot (you know, the guy that was standing 355th from the guy on the left! ;) I'll try to fix up the Morita rifle and photograph it. sigh, yet another thing to do. MPM2008

:No stress. There are actually lots of pics of the Moritas from the movie floating around on the 'Net, but obviously, we'd rather have one of yours than something taken from another site. Whenever you get around to it. -MT2008

::Are you by any chance visible in any of these shots MPM? Obviously I wouldn't ask you to point yourself out if you are, but I'd still find it cool to know if you were. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Does your Morita rifle still work?
::::Uh, the Moritas are shells. Any live guns like the Ruger AC556 and short barreled Ithaca 37 would be removed and locked up in the vault with all the other cinema weapons. My morita can still fit a Ruger Mini 14 but there were tons of internal structural damage and putting the rifle back in and trying to fire it would just result in a rifle bouncing around a sci fi shell, which is really unsafe. I have some Morita pulls, i.e. stunt Moritas which were molded with the Rifle and and short Ithaca 37 mounted so that it looks complete. I will see what I can do but the Morita still needs a bunch of repairs. remember it's over 13 years old.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Dude, that would be badass! If I had one I would bring it to the range and turn some heads-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

----

in the book the mobile infantry used power armor that made tanks look cheap.
they never said the full armament in the book. the weapons mention were "pewee nukes", a bomb launcher on the back, "hand flamers", some sort of energy weapon called a "knife beam"
also having jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one. so they can move fast and kick ass. every mobile infantry used power armor making them a formidable fighting force

:The CGI series was more accurate with the book somewhat, and the 3rd movie, straight to DVD of course brought the power armor. I want to know what the guns are built from in that movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe they were M1 Thompsons in a really big plastic shell. I'll try to screencap that at some point. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

also the bugs in the book had ships, city and energy weapons
== Live fire exercise section ==

I'm not sure who wrote this, but they seem to have missed the point a little; it's ''supposed'' to be ridiculously unsafe, fitting in with the movie's nature as a satire; it's the classic 'badass bootcamp' sequence taken to the level of outright absurdity. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:I wrote this, and no Vangelis, it is not excuseable. It is dumb, plain and simple. It makes the audience groan, and not in a good way. Verhoeven did a lot that was intentionally over the top. This was just stupid. They were trying to make the camp look busy and bustling with people, but even during filming, people were grousing about how dumb the entire live fire layout was. Try not to make excuses for it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== I could do more damage with an airsoft rifle! ==
As much as I actually do enjoy this movie, the Mobile Infantry couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

the MI in the book were better Rex095

== SouthPaw Mortia shot ==

I believe that shot is reversed, if you watch the original trailer they have the same shot but the not reversed I'm assuming

[[Media:http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2909/mortia.png]]

Talk:Starship Troopers

2010-10-14T02:08:00Z

Jake zergling: /* SouthPaw Mortia shot */ new section

I have one of the Morita Rifles from the movie but it's all beat up. I still have my battle armor from the movie shoot (you know, the guy that was standing 355th from the guy on the left! ;) I'll try to fix up the Morita rifle and photograph it. sigh, yet another thing to do. MPM2008

:No stress. There are actually lots of pics of the Moritas from the movie floating around on the 'Net, but obviously, we'd rather have one of yours than something taken from another site. Whenever you get around to it. -MT2008

::Are you by any chance visible in any of these shots MPM? Obviously I wouldn't ask you to point yourself out if you are, but I'd still find it cool to know if you were. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Does your Morita rifle still work?
::::Uh, the Moritas are shells. Any live guns like the Ruger AC556 and short barreled Ithaca 37 would be removed and locked up in the vault with all the other cinema weapons. My morita can still fit a Ruger Mini 14 but there were tons of internal structural damage and putting the rifle back in and trying to fire it would just result in a rifle bouncing around a sci fi shell, which is really unsafe. I have some Morita pulls, i.e. stunt Moritas which were molded with the Rifle and and short Ithaca 37 mounted so that it looks complete. I will see what I can do but the Morita still needs a bunch of repairs. remember it's over 13 years old.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

:Dude, that would be badass! If I had one I would bring it to the range and turn some heads-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

----

in the book the mobile infantry used power armor that made tanks look cheap.
they never said the full armament in the book. the weapons mention were "pewee nukes", a bomb launcher on the back, "hand flamers", some sort of energy weapon called a "knife beam"
also having jumping ability (including jet and rocket boost assistance), and provided the wearer with improved senses (infrared vision and night vision, radar, and amplified hearing), a completely self-contained personal environment, sophisticated communications equipment, and tactical map displays. Their powered armor made the Mobile Infantry a hybrid between an infantry unit and an armored one. so they can move fast and kick ass. every mobile infantry used power armor making them a formidable fighting force

:The CGI series was more accurate with the book somewhat, and the 3rd movie, straight to DVD of course brought the power armor. I want to know what the guns are built from in that movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::I believe they were M1 Thompsons in a really big plastic shell. I'll try to screencap that at some point. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

also the bugs in the book had ships, city and energy weapons
== Live fire exercise section ==

I'm not sure who wrote this, but they seem to have missed the point a little; it's ''supposed'' to be ridiculously unsafe, fitting in with the movie's nature as a satire; it's the classic 'badass bootcamp' sequence taken to the level of outright absurdity. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
:I wrote this, and no Vangelis, it is not excuseable. It is dumb, plain and simple. It makes the audience groan, and not in a good way. Verhoeven did a lot that was intentionally over the top. This was just stupid. They were trying to make the camp look busy and bustling with people, but even during filming, people were grousing about how dumb the entire live fire layout was. Try not to make excuses for it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

== I could do more damage with an airsoft rifle! ==
As much as I actually do enjoy this movie, the Mobile Infantry couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

the MI in the book were better Rex095

== SouthPaw Mortia shot ==

I believe that shot is reversed, if you watch the original trailer they have the same shot but the not reversed I'm assuming

[[Media:http://yfrog.com/1rmortiap]]

Talk:Fallout: New Vegas

2010-10-07T22:03:19Z

Jake zergling: /* LAPD 2019 blaster from blade runner */ new section

Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher

The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg. David.

==Chey Tac Intervention?==

doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)

It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it's a PGM Hecate II

Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?

==Grenade Rifle==

Yo, the "Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle" is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called "grenade rifle" or something

:Seriously, can't they just call it a "grenade launcher"? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher

:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.

== Something from E3 ==

I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Weapon Degneration ==

I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game. That really sucked in Fallout 3. I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally

also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction

I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.

:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too. Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.

What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.

In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== 1887 ==

That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.

-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870

Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.

-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.

Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

== Varmint Rifle ==
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3

Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/Round.jpg
See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a 5.56x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Maybe it was supposed to be a 32 caliber rifle ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I would agree except it shares ammo with the .32 revolver. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

And of course the die hard fans on the Fallout Wiki keep telling me that the shell size doesn't matter. Game developers are lazy bastards... and so are some of their idiot fanboys.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.4|184.35.20.4]] 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The little queers at the Fallout wikia keep whining "Until the programers say what it is, it ain't [Insert Weapon Name Here]. They can't tell that the "Semi-Auto Rifle" is an M1 Garand because their a bunch of mega-nerds who live in their mother's basement. Look at pictures of them side-by-side and you can tell it's an M1 Garand. Anybody who says that will be flaged as a "FANBOY!" - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

They think that a .308 M1 Garand doesn't exsist and since it most likely fires .308 it apparently isn't a M1 Garand. They aren't the brightest bunch of people considering they believed the Hi Power was a made up weapon AFTER a real picture of a Hi Power was posted to compare. Some believed it is a 1911.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Could the varmint rifle be a .22-250?It might explain the case size and I would like to point out that all the ejected rifle cases in Fallout 3 looked exactly the same.On the topic of the Hi power,everybody keeps calling it a "Colt .45",I dont see how you get the two mixed up.--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 19:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I know. I can't keep dealing with those whiny babies... i made an account on there site just to tell them what the guns are but they don't lisson to a damn word. i posted multiple comments on the varmint rifle page yet they reman oblivious... --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.19.196|184.35.19.196]] 20:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
: I don't like their policy either. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to state that 20-gauge shotgun shell is smaller and less powerful than 12-gauge. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 13:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Varmint_rifle#Caliber] One of them found a picture confirming it to be 5.56!! The fanboys should believe me! Time to gloat on the talk page! --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 18:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

If it is a 5.56, why the hell did someone say it was a .22 in the first place?--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 22:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I had too explain to them that the .223 was a varmint round. They ain't exactly geniuses--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 00:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the .222 Remington for varmint hunting? .223 Remington is actually a round made for the AR-15 and considered to be in the "High Power Rifle" category. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I've always used the .223 remingington for varminting. My first rifle was a Ruger Number 1 varmint rifle chambered in .223. Maybe it isn't a true varmint round but there sure are a lot of varmint rifles that use it. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.23.187|184.35.23.187]] 20:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Varmint rile was based off of this .22 made by Savage http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ --[[User:Greywolverene |Greywolverene]]

Maybe. The Fallout wiki people say that varmint rifle was originally going to be a .22, so maybe they took that and just streched out the magazines. The 93 BTVS even has a thumbhole stock, so i assume that was the one you were refering to. --[[Special:Contributions/74.177.187.68|74.177.187.68]] 00:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

== Pics of the ammo section ==

I know the quality sucks, but i got some pics of the ammo screen from a leaked vid. I made out 45-70 gov't (hell yeah!), .22lr, .22lr Plinking (so there are apperently diff. types of rounds), .357 magnum, and .50 something. hope these help.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.137.24|74.177.137.24]] 22:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Vid link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Q_JM-ST1s best at about 51 seconds.
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0202.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0201.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0200.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0199.jpg
http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac114/billytheboy/PICT0198.jpg
There is also supposed to be hand loading rounds, but that might just be speculation.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.137.24|74.177.137.24]] 22:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

There is also gonna be an M3 Grease gun chambered in 9mm.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaminoman/Fallout:_New_Vegas_Developer_Diary_2.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.9.27|184.35.9.27]] 22:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown revolver ==
[[Image:ScopedHuntingRevolver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The "Hunting Revolver".]]
[[Image:Sequoia.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The special variant called the "Ranger Sequoia".]]

Looks like an old cap and ball Colt. Reminds me of the ornate SAA's in [[GUN]] [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually no, it's a BFR chambered in .45-70 Govt.

Yeah, that bulky ass cylinder reminds me of the BFR as well.--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.187.68|74.177.187.68]] 11:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Pardon my ignorance, but what's a BFR? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 11:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Magnum Research "Biggest Finest Revolver". Its a revolver that tends to be chambered in rifle cartridges.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Or "Big F*** Revolver"!

Well in the recent trailer, they did mention that it's a revolver that fires rifle ammo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed they did, too bad that even if the Single Action Army/Ruger Blackhawk appears it'll all be DA only ingame I guess. With this setting
it'd be awesome to see SA revolvers. --[[User:Xarex|Xarex]]

This video shows a revolver being used in single action. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/pax-10-fallout-new/705552 --[[Special:Contributions/74.243.141.29|74.243.141.29]] 01:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Grease Gun ==
Hmm. While it comes in .45 by default, the 9mm chambering isn't farfetched - there were official conversion kits for that. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 10:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:also making is easier on game and the the whole ammo system.

There's a shitload of new ammo types so it's possible they switched to 9mm to make it less powerful by game standards. --[[User:Xarex|Xarex]]

In this pic there is proof of 9mm.
http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/IntactGardenGnome/FNV008.jpg
--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.19.28|184.35.19.28]] 23:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

== LAPD 2019 blaster from blade runner ==

The new dev diary came out, pistol is at 2:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkALhh82JdI&feature=player_embedded

Saving Private Ryan

2010-06-12T02:55:40Z

Jake zergling: /* Karabiner 98k */

'''The following weapons were used in the movie ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'''''
[[Image:Saving Private Ryan poster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' (1998)]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

== M1 Garand ==

Perhaps the most commonly seen weapon in the movie, the [[M1 Garand]] is used by the majority of the U.S. soldiers seen in the film. The M1 Garand is easily identified by the characteristic ''ping'' it makes ejecting its clip after the last round in the en bloc clip is fired. Based on the way everyone can hold these weapons easily, they seem to be light weight models for easy handling in the film, which cuts the realism down a bit.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An M1 Garand prop rifle used in the film during the D-Day scene. The butt still has sand stuck in it from the beach.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This image of a soldier during the D-Day scene shows that the rifles in the film are clearly not genuine 9 1/2lb Garands and simple light weight replicas.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) fires his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PING! Private Adrian Caparzo ([[Vin Diesel]]) fires his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soldier fires his M1 Garand at a fleeing German. The rifle makes the distinct PING sound but you can clearly see it just jammed.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier of low morals holds an M1 Garand with cuts in the stock for an ammo pouch to sling through like an M1 Carbine. This is a strange stock for a Garand. Also note how he can easily hold it with one hand since it is lighter than a real Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergeant Hill ([[Paul Giamatti]]) holding his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) pulls the trigger groupings out of the M1 Garands marking dead G.I. graves so they are rendered useless should any Germans try to capture them.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier loads up his M1 Garand before the battle in Ramelle.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mellish fires his M1 Garand and then claims it jams, despite the fact it is clearly still in battery.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PING! Pvt. James Francis Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) firing his M1 Garand. Damon's lack of training for the film is evident, note how his sights are above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Timothy P. Upham ([[Jeremy Davies]]) holds his M1 Garand on a group of fleeing German soldiers including Steamboat Willie, whom he kills. Note how his hand is on the bolt handle, which could result in a finger pinch. Also note how he rests his thumb on the receiver tang, which could result in "shooter's thumb", getting whacked in the nose by your thumb knuckle due to the recoil.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

The [[M1 Carbine]] appears in the film as the main weapon of Sergeant first class Mike Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]). It is fitted with a double magazine pouch strapped to the butt stock.
[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M1 Carbine]] - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Mike Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]) with his [[M1 Carbine]] on Omaha Beach, Dog Green Sector.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath firing his M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath with his M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath racks the bolt on his M1 Carbine before facing the machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath with his M1 Carbine.]]

==M1A1 Carbine==
Members of the 101st Airborne Division as well as other Airborne soldiers use the folding stock variant [[M1 Carbine]], the M1A1.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Paratrooper M1A1 Carbine - .30 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An angry paratrooper with an M1A1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Carbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 101st paratrooper kills a Tiger tank crewman with his M1A1 Carbine and then holds the hatch open with it. (Close inspection reveals the hatch is lightweight plastic and easy to move).]]

==Springfield 1903A4==

The squad's sharpshooter, Private Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]), carries the sniper version of the [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903]], the 1903A4 bolt-action rifle. The differences include the deletion of the front sight, and the addition of a scope. Jackson is famous for quoting religious scriptures when shooting the rifle, and shooting a German sniper through his own scope similar to a feat accomplished by Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock in the Vietnam War, although the bullet drop at 400yds would make it impossible to clear all the scope lenses, while Hathcock was far closer to his target, as well as looking down at said target (Hathcock was on a hill, while the enemy sniper was at the base). Jackson clearly has trouble cycling the gun throughout the film due to him being a lefty and the gun being built for right handed shooters. Perhaps he should have found a better method of working the bolt instead of reaching over and shaking the bolt until the extractor ejected the spent shell.

[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield 1903A4 sniper variant with M84 scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]) aims his Springfield 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Jackson fires his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson fits an 8x Unertl scope on his 1903A4 to face the German sniper (although he doesn't zero it to the gun, which would make his incredible shot even more impossible). Here, he is seen adjusting his scope for elevation, even though he claims it is for windage. Also, his hand is the only thing moving, the front of the scope never twists.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson takes aim at the sniper with his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson with his 1903A4 during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Upham looks through Jackson's rifle scope and despite which way he turns it, the reticle is always perfectly centered.]]
[[Image:SPR1903a4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson ejects a shell (which is clearly a blank) from his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the free-bolt safety is clearly on in this shot.]]

===Faulty Scope===
During the bell tower sequence, Jackson's Unertl scope is very off from where the bullets hit, likely because he didn't zero it when switching it with his other scope.

[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson clearly led his target but the gun still shot too far left and likely hit this soldier by luck.]]
[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot went ''way'' left and ''way'' low.]]
[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot went ''way'' right and way low.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

As common with the German soldiers as the [[M1 Garand]] is with the Americans, the [[Karabiner 98k]] bolt-action rifle is the standard-issue weapon of the German Army. Soldiers during the battle in Ramelle line up armed almost entirely with Kar98k rifles, including Steamboat Willie, who mortally wounds Cpt. Miller with his 98k rifle.

Also note how most of the rifles lack the hooded sights and cleaning rods which usually indicates Russian captures.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:SPRKar98K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans during the standoff armed with Kar98k rifles and MP40 submachine guns.]]
[[Image:SPRKAr98K-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans run to the bridge in Ramelle armed with Kar98ks.]]
[[Image:SPRKAr98k-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steamboat Willie fires his Kar98k, eyes closed.]]

==Karbiner 98k Sniper==
One German sniper is seen armed with a [[Karabiner 98k]] sniper rifle fitted with a Zeiss ZF42 scope with a rubber light blocking eye cover (which despite goof reports, ''is'' at proper eye relief with him resting his eye on it) and covered in makeshift burlap camouflage who mortally wounds PFC Adrian Caparzo ([[Vin Diesel]]) before being killed himself by Private Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]). Jackson shoots the German sniper through his scope, a reference to a shot made by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock Carlos Norman Hathcock II] ''(a legendary Marine Corps sniper)'' during the Vietnam War.
[[Image:tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k sniper rifle with Zeiss ZF42 scope - 7.92x57mm.]]
[[Image:SPRKar98Ksniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper aims his Karabiner 98k sniper rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=

== M1A1 Thompson ==

The [[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] or "fast gun" appears several times in the film, primarily as the main weapon of Captain John H. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]). It is also used by Captain Fred Hamill ([[Ted Danson]]) to end a standoff between Miller's men and a group of German soldiers they had stumbled upon. The M1 Thompson was too expensive to produce by the Normandy invasion and the cheaper M1A1, which simply incorporated a fixed firing pin as part of the bolt, made it far easier for mass production as well as cheap too. They were far more commonly issued with 30 round magazines, which is evident on Miller's Thompson.

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller removes his M1A1 Thompson from its protective plastic bag.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Fred Hamill ([[Ted Danson]]), left, and one of his men holding freshly fired [[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompsons]].]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller reloads his Thompson before the battle in Ramelle, despite having been clearly seen reloading it the scene before when facing the half-track. This could be due to nervous habit.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller with his Thompson at the ready.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller fires his Thompson through the peep hole of a Tiger Tank.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller firing his Thompson.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Henderson ([[Max Martini]]) fires his Thompson at a German through the wall. Note the holes are perpendicular to the wall but Henderson is at an angle.]]

==MP40==
Yet another German weapon in the film is the [[MP40]]. It's not very often seen, mostly in the scene where Miller's men stumble on a group of German soldiers, and again during the final battle scene in Ramelle.

Some of those look like MP-38's, I think both are used.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Machine Pistole 1940 (MP40) - 9mm]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German is seen armed with an MP40 during D-Day, hidden behind a machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRKar98K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German is seen armed with an MP40 during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier armed with a [[Panzerschreck]] launcher has an MP40 slung over his back.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier blind-fires his MP40 in the room with Cpl. Henderson and Pvt. Mellish in it.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires his MP40 during the battle of Ramelle while Cpl. Upham hides nearby.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier armed with an MP40 charges a paratrooper but gets a rifle butt to the face before he can use it.]]

=Machine Guns and Automatic Rifles=

==Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 ==

As the squad's support gunner, PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) carries a [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2]] or "B.A.R." as his main weapon. The B.A.R. Reiben carries is not his originally issued one, which he claims he lost during the start of the D-Day landing to keep from drowning, and has the bipod removed, making it more into an assault rifle instead of a Light Machine Gun. Further supporting this theory is how he fires it on the faster of the B.A.R.'s two full-auto fire modes, instead of the more efficient slow auto-fire used for support. Reports have said like the M1 Garands in the film, this B.A.R. was lightened for easier use by the actors, making it far easier to shoulder fire the weapon as an assault rifle. (Periods have been added to the B.A.R. abbreviations to make sure no one refers to the weapon incorrectly as a "Bar".)
[[Image:BAR.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1918A2 [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private First Class Richard Reiben sets the bullets in his B.A.R. mag by tapping it on his helmet and then loads it into his B.A.R.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC. Reiben gives supporting fire on a German machine gun nest with his B.A.R.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben with his B.A.R. during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben racks the charging handle on his B.A.R. before being driven out as bait for the German tanks.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben with his B.A.R. at the ready.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben hip fires his B.A.R. on rapid auto-firing mode.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shell-shocked Cpt. Miller watches Reiben fire his B.A.R. in slow motion.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Among the weapons used by the defenders during the final battle are a pair of [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] or "Browning .30 caliber" machine guns. Both guns eventually run out of ammunition, their users being killed by the Germans. Throughout the scene, some are seen loaded with fabric belts and others with disintegrating link belts, and sometimes both in continuity errors.

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] on M2 tripod - .30-06.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier is seen lugging a Browning M1919A4 machine gun during the D-Day scene.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Henderson ([[Max Martini]]) and Pvt. Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) load their Browning M1919A4 in preparation for the final battle. Note how it is loaded with a fabric belt.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Parker firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal. from a bell tower. Note how it is now loaded with a disintegrating link belt.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal., which is now using a fabric belt again.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal.]]

== MG42 ==
The German [[MG42]] machine gun makes several appearances in the film; first in bunkers overlooking Omaha Beach during the D-Day landings, then in a machine gun nest at the base of a radar site the squad encounters. The ensuing firefight at the radar site costs them their medic, Cpl. Irwin Wade ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]).
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Machine Gewher 1942 (MG42) - 7.92 x 57mm (8mm Mauser).]]
[[Image:SPRMG42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans firing MG42 machine guns from their bunker during the D-Day scene.]]
[[Image:SPRMG42-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MG42 machine gun still smoking from the recent firefight.]]

=Pistols=

== M1911A1 ==

There are several appearances of the [[M1911A1]] pistol, in the hands of Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]), Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]), and Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]), as well as other members of the squad. Horvath uses it to threaten PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) when he threatens to abandon his squad, later throwing it at a German during the final battle when he runs out of ammo. Miller is seen firing it at an advancing Tiger tank as he lies wounded on the bridge in one of the film's more memorable moments.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]) fires his M1911A1 into a German filled trench.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Jackson draws his M1911A1 when they first confont Steamboat Willie and checks the magazine, which is clearly empty.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]) threatening to shoot PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) with his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded Cpt. Miller fires his M1911A1 at an advancing Tiger Tank. Note how his .45 is clearly out of battery, but in perfect working order in the next shot.]]
[[Image:SPRMiller1911A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller fires his M1911A1 at the advancing Tiger tank.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller in amazement after seeing the Tiger blow up after shooting it with his M1911A1 (which was actually blown up by a P-51 Mustang). In this sequence, the pistol was only loaded with six shots instead of the fully-loaded seven which is not unusual since soldiers don't always 'top off' their magazines in the middle of a war zone after firing one or more rounds previously. It is also likely that since there are too many camera angle shots of Miller firing his 1911, the camera shot for the seventh round may be unused or misplaced.]]

==Luger P08==
During the final assault in Ramelle, a German soldier can be seen using [[Luger P08]] pistol when facing off with Sgt. Horvath and is killed but still manages to wound him with it. The Luger P08 pistol was a very common second line service pistol, with the [[Walther P38]] as the official front line issued sidearm in World War Two. The Luger was still being manufactured during World War Two and was commonly issued to Civilian ''Polizei'' as well as Military Police and as request pieces for any military officer at their discretion. There were huge numbers made in World War One and the handgun was in constant manufacture from the time of its initial offering until 1942, when all production switched to the P38. It was common to see Luger 08 Pistols in the hands of vehicle crewmen, crew served weapons, second line units, artillery units. It also ended up in the hands of many front line NCOs as well as officers, since it was still 'regulation' to carry it in the Wehrmacht. ''Note: there seems to be more photographic evidence of Waffen SS officers wielding the Luger P08 than the Regular army, which may attest to some 'politics' of the ordnance supply chain.''
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:SPRLugerP08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires his Luger at Horvath.]]

=Anti-Tank Weapons=

== M1A1 Bazooka ==

The [[M1 Bazooka#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] rocket launcher makes several appearances in ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]''. It is first seen in the hands of a U.S. Army soldier under the command of Captain Hamill. Later we see Private James F. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) use an M1A1 Bazooka to destroy a German half-track. This same Bazooka is later used by Horvath during the final battle to destroy a German Marder self-propelled gun and again in an attempt to destroy a Tiger tank, but unfortunately for our protagonists the rocket is deflected by the tank's heavy armor.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Private James F. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) with his [[M1 Bazooka#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] after destroying a German half-track.]]
[[Image:SPRM1bazooka-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath fires the M1A1 Bazooka.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller attempts to use an M1A1 Bazooka before Sgt. Horvath takes it.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath fires a shot at a Tiger tank, but sadly it deflects due to the heavy frontal armor. If only it had approached backwards, since the back end is its weak point.]]

==Panzerschreck==
During the final battle, one of the German soldiers can be seen carrying a [[Panzerschreck]] or "Tank Terror" rocket launcher, but is killed before his weapon can be brought to bear.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck 88mm with rocket]]
[[Image:SPRPAnzershreck-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A German SS soldier carrying a [[Panzerschreck]] during the final battle.]]
[[Image:SPRPanzershreck.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German SS soldier aims his [[Panzerschreck]].]]
[[Image:SPRPanzershreck-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier runs out with a [[Panzerschreck]] before being pointed out and killed by Pvt. Ryan.]]

== Sticky Bomb ==

While planning the defense of Ramelle, Captain Miller comes up with a unique improvised explosive device he calls a "sticky bomb". It consists of a sock filled with Composition-B explosive with a fuse attached and covered in grease so it sticks where it's placed. Deploying it is a hazardous proposition though; as one soldier is killed when the fuse runs out while he is trying to place it on one of the German tanks, though the bombs do succeed in immobilizing one Tiger tank by destroying its treads. The improvised explosive is apparently inspired by the actual "sticky bomb", the short-lived British No. 74 ST Grenade, which used a purpose-designed super strong resin adhesive instead of axle grease, which was tested and found to be insufficiently sticky.

[[Image:SPRStickybomb-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier lights a sticky bomb with his Zippo but take too long to attach it and...]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...ends up like this.]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These two soldiers fare better and take out a Tiger tank's treads with two of these sticky bombs and render it immobile.]]

== Molotov Cocktail ==
During the final battle at Ramelle two soldiers light and throw a pair of [[Molotov Cocktail]]s off a balcony into a German Marder self-propelled gun below.
[[Image:Molotov-cocktail200.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Molotov Cocktail.]]
[[Image:SPRMolotov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fills Molotov bottles with Petrol oil.]]
[[Image:SPRMolotov-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two soldiers lighting [[Molotov Cocktail|Molotov Cocktails]].]]

== Mk-II No. 75 Hawkins Grenade/Mine ==
Prior to the climactic battle Cpl. Henderson relays to Cpt. Miller that their arsenal of "spitwads" includes Hawkins mines. Later a 101st Airborne soldier is seen placing one on the main street and camouflaging it.
[[Image:Hawkinsmine.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Although manufactured as a grenade the Mk-II No.75 Hawkins Grenade was utilized more efficiently as an anti-tank/vehicle mine. Partly because its shape and weight made accurate throwing difficult.]]
[[Image:SPRMKII75-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier brings over a helmet full of Mk-II No. 75 grenade mines to set up on the road.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A paratrooper readies the No. 75 mines detonator by wrapping the arming fuse.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The paratrooper detonates the No. 75 mines....]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which devastates the German infantry. (Even though the explosion is clearly hidden debris jets.)]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller readies the No. 75 mines detonator when they fall back to "The Alamo".]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller looks over at the detonator before trying to retrieve it. Captain Miller is fatally wounded before he can reach it.]]

=Grenades=

== Mk 2 Hand Grenade ==

During the attack on the machine gun nests, the squad uses [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s to take out all but one of the Germans manning it, some of which throw the grenades back at them, though thankfully miss. Later, at the final battle in Ramelle, several [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s are tossed into a disabled German tank, killing the crew.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|125px|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:SPRMk2grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC. Reiben hands Cpl. Medic Wade a Mk. 2 grenade before rushing the machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRMK2grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Mk. 2 grenade is seen on this paratrooper's vest.]]

==M7 Rifle Grenade==
During the opening Omaha Beach landing scene we can briefly see a rifle mounted [[M7 rifle grenade]] fired from an [[M1 Garand]] after the German line has been broken.
[[Image:M1 garand M7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M7 rifle grenade launcher]]
[[Image:SPRM7grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M7 rifle grenade about to be fired from an M1 Garand]]

== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ==

During the final battle of the film, Private Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) and Corporal Henderson ([[Maximilian Martini]]) get several [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]s thrown at them while manning one of the M1919A4 machine guns. Thankfully the two are able to grab and toss the grenades clear before they detonate.

[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate "Potato Masher" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:SPR24grenate.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson is hit in the chest with a Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

=Specialty Weapons=

==M1 Flamethrower==
During the D-Day landing scene Doyle ([[Glenn Wrage]]) uses his [[M1 Flamethrower]] to clear one of the German bunkers overlooking Omaha Beach, turning the occupants into human torches who are picked off by other soldiers as they emerge, before they are ordered to let them burn. During the opening of the scene, a flamethrower operator gets hit in the pack and gets blown up along with his fellow comrades around him.

[[Image:M1A1 Flamethrower.JPG|thumb|none|300px|M1 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:SPRM1flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A flamethrower user with an M1 Flamethrower, seconds before being lit up by a single 8mm round.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Flamethrower-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doyle readies his flamethrower to burn the machine gun bunker.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Flamethrower-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doyle's flamethrower clears out the bunker with a burst of flame. How this burst of flame is so large in unknown. It may be possible that within the confines of the narrow cement hallways in the bunker, it amplifies the blast.]]

==M1A1 Bangalore Torpedo==
Captain John H. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) aids some soldiers in employing [[M1A1 Bangalore Torpedos]] to clear the barbed wire protecting the German bunkers on Omaha Beach.
[[Image:SPRBangalore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers bring up M1A1 Bangalore Torpedoes to clear the barbed wire.]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers passing up Bangalores. Note how the side reads "Bangalore M1A1".]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier lights the fuse on the Bangalore while Cpt. Miller holds it.]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"FIRE IN THE HOLE!"]]

== Flak 38 ==
A German [[Flak 38]] is crewed by several SS soldiers during the final battle at Ramelle and delivers devastating 20mm flak rounds on Captain Miller's ([[Tom Hanks]]) men. It is finally brought down when PFC. Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) flanks it from above and takes out the whole crew single-handedly with his B.A.R.
[[Image:SPRFlak38.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers mow down U.S. paratroopers with their Flak 38.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|20mm shells kick out of the Flak 38.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German's turn their Flak gun to fire on Cpt. Miller.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German's begin to reposition the Flak gun before being mowed down by Reiben's B.A.R.]]

==M2 Mortar==

During the final battle in Ramelle, Private Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) and Captain Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) arm 60mm [[M2 Mortar|M2 Mortars]] rounds by banging them against the steel launching base of the mortar tube and throw them like hand grenades at advancing SS soldiers, scoring several kills. While this is possible, they are banging the wrong end, to use the mortar shells in the way they did, they would have to slam the other end against it.
[[Image:SPRmortar-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) and Cpt. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) arm 60mm M2 Mortars by hand.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]

Saving Private Ryan

2010-06-12T02:55:29Z

Jake zergling: /* Karabiner 98k */

'''The following weapons were used in the movie ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'''''
[[Image:Saving Private Ryan poster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''[[Saving Private Ryan]]'' (1998)]]

=Rifles & Carbines=

== M1 Garand ==

Perhaps the most commonly seen weapon in the movie, the [[M1 Garand]] is used by the majority of the U.S. soldiers seen in the film. The M1 Garand is easily identified by the characteristic ''ping'' it makes ejecting its clip after the last round in the en bloc clip is fired. Based on the way everyone can hold these weapons easily, they seem to be light weight models for easy handling in the film, which cuts the realism down a bit.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|An M1 Garand prop rifle used in the film during the D-Day scene. The butt still has sand stuck in it from the beach.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This image of a soldier during the D-Day scene shows that the rifles in the film are clearly not genuine 9 1/2lb Garands and simple light weight replicas.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) fires his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PING! Private Adrian Caparzo ([[Vin Diesel]]) fires his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Soldier fires his M1 Garand at a fleeing German. The rifle makes the distinct PING sound but you can clearly see it just jammed.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier of low morals holds an M1 Garand with cuts in the stock for an ammo pouch to sling through like an M1 Carbine. This is a strange stock for a Garand. Also note how he can easily hold it with one hand since it is lighter than a real Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergeant Hill ([[Paul Giamatti]]) holding his M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) pulls the trigger groupings out of the M1 Garands marking dead G.I. graves so they are rendered useless should any Germans try to capture them.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier loads up his M1 Garand before the battle in Ramelle.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mellish fires his M1 Garand and then claims it jams, despite the fact it is clearly still in battery.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PING! Pvt. James Francis Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) firing his M1 Garand. Damon's lack of training for the film is evident, note how his sights are above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Garand-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Timothy P. Upham ([[Jeremy Davies]]) holds his M1 Garand on a group of fleeing German soldiers including Steamboat Willie, whom he kills. Note how his hand is on the bolt handle, which could result in a finger pinch. Also note how he rests his thumb on the receiver tang, which could result in "shooter's thumb", getting whacked in the nose by your thumb knuckle due to the recoil.]]

== M1 Carbine ==

The [[M1 Carbine]] appears in the film as the main weapon of Sergeant first class Mike Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]). It is fitted with a double magazine pouch strapped to the butt stock.
[[Image:M1-Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M1 Carbine]] - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Technical Sergeant Mike Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]) with his [[M1 Carbine]] on Omaha Beach, Dog Green Sector.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath firing his M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath with his M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath racks the bolt on his M1 Carbine before facing the machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Carbine-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath with his M1 Carbine.]]

==M1A1 Carbine==
Members of the 101st Airborne Division as well as other Airborne soldiers use the folding stock variant [[M1 Carbine]], the M1A1.
[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Paratrooper M1A1 Carbine - .30 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An angry paratrooper with an M1A1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Carbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A 101st paratrooper kills a Tiger tank crewman with his M1A1 Carbine and then holds the hatch open with it. (Close inspection reveals the hatch is lightweight plastic and easy to move).]]

==Springfield 1903A4==

The squad's sharpshooter, Private Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]), carries the sniper version of the [[M1903 Springfield|Springfield 1903]], the 1903A4 bolt-action rifle. The differences include the deletion of the front sight, and the addition of a scope. Jackson is famous for quoting religious scriptures when shooting the rifle, and shooting a German sniper through his own scope similar to a feat accomplished by Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock in the Vietnam War, although the bullet drop at 400yds would make it impossible to clear all the scope lenses, while Hathcock was far closer to his target, as well as looking down at said target (Hathcock was on a hill, while the enemy sniper was at the base). Jackson clearly has trouble cycling the gun throughout the film due to him being a lefty and the gun being built for right handed shooters. Perhaps he should have found a better method of working the bolt instead of reaching over and shaking the bolt until the extractor ejected the spent shell.

[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield 1903A4 sniper variant with M84 scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]) aims his Springfield 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Jackson fires his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson fits an 8x Unertl scope on his 1903A4 to face the German sniper (although he doesn't zero it to the gun, which would make his incredible shot even more impossible). Here, he is seen adjusting his scope for elevation, even though he claims it is for windage. Also, his hand is the only thing moving, the front of the scope never twists.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson takes aim at the sniper with his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson with his 1903A4 during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Upham looks through Jackson's rifle scope and despite which way he turns it, the reticle is always perfectly centered.]]
[[Image:SPR1903a4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson ejects a shell (which is clearly a blank) from his 1903A4.]]
[[Image:SPR1903A4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the free-bolt safety is clearly on in this shot.]]

===Faulty Scope===
During the bell tower sequence, Jackson's Unertl scope is very off from where the bullets hit, likely because he didn't zero it when switching it with his other scope.

[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackson clearly led his target but the gun still shot too far left and likely hit this soldier by luck.]]
[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot went ''way'' left and ''way'' low.]]
[[Image:SPRfaltyscope-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This shot went ''way'' right and way low.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==

As common with the German soldiers as the [[M1 Garand]] is with the Americans, the [[Karabiner 98k]] bolt-action rifle is the standard-issue weapon of the German Army. Soldiers during the battle in Ramelle line up armed almost entirely with Kar98k rifles, including Steamboat Willie, who mortally wounds Cpt. Miller with his 98k rifle.
Also note how most of the rifles lack the hooded sights and cleaning rods which usually indicates Russian captures.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:SPRKar98K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans during the standoff armed with Kar98k rifles and MP40 submachine guns.]]
[[Image:SPRKAr98K-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans run to the bridge in Ramelle armed with Kar98ks.]]
[[Image:SPRKAr98k-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steamboat Willie fires his Kar98k, eyes closed.]]

==Karbiner 98k Sniper==
One German sniper is seen armed with a [[Karabiner 98k]] sniper rifle fitted with a Zeiss ZF42 scope with a rubber light blocking eye cover (which despite goof reports, ''is'' at proper eye relief with him resting his eye on it) and covered in makeshift burlap camouflage who mortally wounds PFC Adrian Caparzo ([[Vin Diesel]]) before being killed himself by Private Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]). Jackson shoots the German sniper through his scope, a reference to a shot made by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock Carlos Norman Hathcock II] ''(a legendary Marine Corps sniper)'' during the Vietnam War.
[[Image:tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k sniper rifle with Zeiss ZF42 scope - 7.92x57mm.]]
[[Image:SPRKar98Ksniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sniper aims his Karabiner 98k sniper rifle.]]

=Submachine Guns=

== M1A1 Thompson ==

The [[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] or "fast gun" appears several times in the film, primarily as the main weapon of Captain John H. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]). It is also used by Captain Fred Hamill ([[Ted Danson]]) to end a standoff between Miller's men and a group of German soldiers they had stumbled upon. The M1 Thompson was too expensive to produce by the Normandy invasion and the cheaper M1A1, which simply incorporated a fixed firing pin as part of the bolt, made it far easier for mass production as well as cheap too. They were far more commonly issued with 30 round magazines, which is evident on Miller's Thompson.

[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompson]] - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller removes his M1A1 Thompson from its protective plastic bag.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Fred Hamill ([[Ted Danson]]), left, and one of his men holding freshly fired [[M1 Thompson|M1A1 Thompsons]].]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller reloads his Thompson before the battle in Ramelle, despite having been clearly seen reloading it the scene before when facing the half-track. This could be due to nervous habit.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller with his Thompson at the ready.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller fires his Thompson through the peep hole of a Tiger Tank.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller firing his Thompson.]]
[[Image:SPRM1A1Thompson-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Henderson ([[Max Martini]]) fires his Thompson at a German through the wall. Note the holes are perpendicular to the wall but Henderson is at an angle.]]

==MP40==
Yet another German weapon in the film is the [[MP40]]. It's not very often seen, mostly in the scene where Miller's men stumble on a group of German soldiers, and again during the final battle scene in Ramelle.

Some of those look like MP-38's, I think both are used.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Machine Pistole 1940 (MP40) - 9mm]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German is seen armed with an MP40 during D-Day, hidden behind a machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRKar98K-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German is seen armed with an MP40 during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier armed with a [[Panzerschreck]] launcher has an MP40 slung over his back.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier blind-fires his MP40 in the room with Cpl. Henderson and Pvt. Mellish in it.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires his MP40 during the battle of Ramelle while Cpl. Upham hides nearby.]]
[[Image:SPRMP-40-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier armed with an MP40 charges a paratrooper but gets a rifle butt to the face before he can use it.]]

=Machine Guns and Automatic Rifles=

==Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 ==

As the squad's support gunner, PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) carries a [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2]] or "B.A.R." as his main weapon. The B.A.R. Reiben carries is not his originally issued one, which he claims he lost during the start of the D-Day landing to keep from drowning, and has the bipod removed, making it more into an assault rifle instead of a Light Machine Gun. Further supporting this theory is how he fires it on the faster of the B.A.R.'s two full-auto fire modes, instead of the more efficient slow auto-fire used for support. Reports have said like the M1 Garands in the film, this B.A.R. was lightened for easier use by the actors, making it far easier to shoulder fire the weapon as an assault rifle. (Periods have been added to the B.A.R. abbreviations to make sure no one refers to the weapon incorrectly as a "Bar".)
[[Image:BAR.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1918A2 [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] - .30-06]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private First Class Richard Reiben sets the bullets in his B.A.R. mag by tapping it on his helmet and then loads it into his B.A.R.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC. Reiben gives supporting fire on a German machine gun nest with his B.A.R.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben with his B.A.R. during the standoff.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben racks the charging handle on his B.A.R. before being driven out as bait for the German tanks.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben with his B.A.R. at the ready.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reiben hip fires his B.A.R. on rapid auto-firing mode.]]
[[Image:SPRBAR-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A shell-shocked Cpt. Miller watches Reiben fire his B.A.R. in slow motion.]]

== Browning M1919A4 ==

Among the weapons used by the defenders during the final battle are a pair of [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] or "Browning .30 caliber" machine guns. Both guns eventually run out of ammunition, their users being killed by the Germans. Throughout the scene, some are seen loaded with fabric belts and others with disintegrating link belts, and sometimes both in continuity errors.

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] on M2 tripod - .30-06.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier is seen lugging a Browning M1919A4 machine gun during the D-Day scene.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Henderson ([[Max Martini]]) and Pvt. Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) load their Browning M1919A4 in preparation for the final battle. Note how it is loaded with a fabric belt.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Parker firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal. from a bell tower. Note how it is now loaded with a disintegrating link belt.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal., which is now using a fabric belt again.]]
[[Image:SPRM2M1919A4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson firing his Browning M1919A4 .30 cal.]]

== MG42 ==
The German [[MG42]] machine gun makes several appearances in the film; first in bunkers overlooking Omaha Beach during the D-Day landings, then in a machine gun nest at the base of a radar site the squad encounters. The ensuing firefight at the radar site costs them their medic, Cpl. Irwin Wade ([[Giovanni Ribisi]]).
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Machine Gewher 1942 (MG42) - 7.92 x 57mm (8mm Mauser).]]
[[Image:SPRMG42.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Germans firing MG42 machine guns from their bunker during the D-Day scene.]]
[[Image:SPRMG42-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An MG42 machine gun still smoking from the recent firefight.]]

=Pistols=

== M1911A1 ==

There are several appearances of the [[M1911A1]] pistol, in the hands of Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]), Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]), and Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]), as well as other members of the squad. Horvath uses it to threaten PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) when he threatens to abandon his squad, later throwing it at a German during the final battle when he runs out of ammo. Miller is seen firing it at an advancing Tiger tank as he lies wounded on the bridge in one of the film's more memorable moments.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Daniel Jackson ([[Barry Pepper]]) fires his M1911A1 into a German filled trench.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Jackson draws his M1911A1 when they first confont Steamboat Willie and checks the magazine, which is clearly empty.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Horvath ([[Tom Sizemore]]) threatening to shoot PFC Richard Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) with his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded Cpt. Miller fires his M1911A1 at an advancing Tiger Tank. Note how his .45 is clearly out of battery, but in perfect working order in the next shot.]]
[[Image:SPRMiller1911A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller fires his M1911A1 at the advancing Tiger tank.]]
[[Image:SPRM1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller in amazement after seeing the Tiger blow up after shooting it with his M1911A1 (which was actually blown up by a P-51 Mustang). In this sequence, the pistol was only loaded with six shots instead of the fully-loaded seven which is not unusual since soldiers don't always 'top off' their magazines in the middle of a war zone after firing one or more rounds previously. It is also likely that since there are too many camera angle shots of Miller firing his 1911, the camera shot for the seventh round may be unused or misplaced.]]

==Luger P08==
During the final assault in Ramelle, a German soldier can be seen using [[Luger P08]] pistol when facing off with Sgt. Horvath and is killed but still manages to wound him with it. The Luger P08 pistol was a very common second line service pistol, with the [[Walther P38]] as the official front line issued sidearm in World War Two. The Luger was still being manufactured during World War Two and was commonly issued to Civilian ''Polizei'' as well as Military Police and as request pieces for any military officer at their discretion. There were huge numbers made in World War One and the handgun was in constant manufacture from the time of its initial offering until 1942, when all production switched to the P38. It was common to see Luger 08 Pistols in the hands of vehicle crewmen, crew served weapons, second line units, artillery units. It also ended up in the hands of many front line NCOs as well as officers, since it was still 'regulation' to carry it in the Wehrmacht. ''Note: there seems to be more photographic evidence of Waffen SS officers wielding the Luger P08 than the Regular army, which may attest to some 'politics' of the ordnance supply chain.''
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:SPRLugerP08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier fires his Luger at Horvath.]]

=Anti-Tank Weapons=

== M1A1 Bazooka ==

The [[M1 Bazooka#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] rocket launcher makes several appearances in ''[[Saving Private Ryan]]''. It is first seen in the hands of a U.S. Army soldier under the command of Captain Hamill. Later we see Private James F. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) use an M1A1 Bazooka to destroy a German half-track. This same Bazooka is later used by Horvath during the final battle to destroy a German Marder self-propelled gun and again in an attempt to destroy a Tiger tank, but unfortunately for our protagonists the rocket is deflected by the tank's heavy armor.

[[Image:M1A1 Bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Bazooka - 2.36 inch]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Private James F. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) with his [[M1 Bazooka#M1A1 "Bazooka" (2.36" Rocket)|M1A1 Bazooka]] after destroying a German half-track.]]
[[Image:SPRM1bazooka-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath fires the M1A1 Bazooka.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller attempts to use an M1A1 Bazooka before Sgt. Horvath takes it.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Bazooka-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Horvath fires a shot at a Tiger tank, but sadly it deflects due to the heavy frontal armor. If only it had approached backwards, since the back end is its weak point.]]

==Panzerschreck==
During the final battle, one of the German soldiers can be seen carrying a [[Panzerschreck]] or "Tank Terror" rocket launcher, but is killed before his weapon can be brought to bear.
[[Image:Tank h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck 88mm with rocket]]
[[Image:SPRPAnzershreck-2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A German SS soldier carrying a [[Panzerschreck]] during the final battle.]]
[[Image:SPRPanzershreck.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German SS soldier aims his [[Panzerschreck]].]]
[[Image:SPRPanzershreck-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German soldier runs out with a [[Panzerschreck]] before being pointed out and killed by Pvt. Ryan.]]

== Sticky Bomb ==

While planning the defense of Ramelle, Captain Miller comes up with a unique improvised explosive device he calls a "sticky bomb". It consists of a sock filled with Composition-B explosive with a fuse attached and covered in grease so it sticks where it's placed. Deploying it is a hazardous proposition though; as one soldier is killed when the fuse runs out while he is trying to place it on one of the German tanks, though the bombs do succeed in immobilizing one Tiger tank by destroying its treads. The improvised explosive is apparently inspired by the actual "sticky bomb", the short-lived British No. 74 ST Grenade, which used a purpose-designed super strong resin adhesive instead of axle grease, which was tested and found to be insufficiently sticky.

[[Image:SPRStickybomb-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier lights a sticky bomb with his Zippo but take too long to attach it and...]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...ends up like this.]]
[[Image:SPRStickybomb-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|These two soldiers fare better and take out a Tiger tank's treads with two of these sticky bombs and render it immobile.]]

== Molotov Cocktail ==
During the final battle at Ramelle two soldiers light and throw a pair of [[Molotov Cocktail]]s off a balcony into a German Marder self-propelled gun below.
[[Image:Molotov-cocktail200.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Molotov Cocktail.]]
[[Image:SPRMolotov.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fills Molotov bottles with Petrol oil.]]
[[Image:SPRMolotov-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two soldiers lighting [[Molotov Cocktail|Molotov Cocktails]].]]

== Mk-II No. 75 Hawkins Grenade/Mine ==
Prior to the climactic battle Cpl. Henderson relays to Cpt. Miller that their arsenal of "spitwads" includes Hawkins mines. Later a 101st Airborne soldier is seen placing one on the main street and camouflaging it.
[[Image:Hawkinsmine.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Although manufactured as a grenade the Mk-II No.75 Hawkins Grenade was utilized more efficiently as an anti-tank/vehicle mine. Partly because its shape and weight made accurate throwing difficult.]]
[[Image:SPRMKII75-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier brings over a helmet full of Mk-II No. 75 grenade mines to set up on the road.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A paratrooper readies the No. 75 mines detonator by wrapping the arming fuse.]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The paratrooper detonates the No. 75 mines....]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which devastates the German infantry. (Even though the explosion is clearly hidden debris jets.)]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller readies the No. 75 mines detonator when they fall back to "The Alamo".]]
[[Image:SPRMkII75-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Miller looks over at the detonator before trying to retrieve it. Captain Miller is fatally wounded before he can reach it.]]

=Grenades=

== Mk 2 Hand Grenade ==

During the attack on the machine gun nests, the squad uses [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s to take out all but one of the Germans manning it, some of which throw the grenades back at them, though thankfully miss. Later, at the final battle in Ramelle, several [[Mk 2 hand grenade]]s are tossed into a disabled German tank, killing the crew.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|125px|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:SPRMk2grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC. Reiben hands Cpl. Medic Wade a Mk. 2 grenade before rushing the machine gun nest.]]
[[Image:SPRMK2grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Mk. 2 grenade is seen on this paratrooper's vest.]]

==M7 Rifle Grenade==
During the opening Omaha Beach landing scene we can briefly see a rifle mounted [[M7 rifle grenade]] fired from an [[M1 Garand]] after the German line has been broken.
[[Image:M1 garand M7.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M7 rifle grenade launcher]]
[[Image:SPRM7grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M7 rifle grenade about to be fired from an M1 Garand]]

== Model 24 Stielhandgranate ==

During the final battle of the film, Private Stanley Mellish ([[Adam Goldberg]]) and Corporal Henderson ([[Maximilian Martini]]) get several [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]s thrown at them while manning one of the M1919A4 machine guns. Thankfully the two are able to grab and toss the grenades clear before they detonate.

[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stielhandgranate "Potato Masher" High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:SPR24grenate.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Henderson is hit in the chest with a Model 24 Stielhandgranate.]]

=Specialty Weapons=

==M1 Flamethrower==
During the D-Day landing scene Doyle ([[Glenn Wrage]]) uses his [[M1 Flamethrower]] to clear one of the German bunkers overlooking Omaha Beach, turning the occupants into human torches who are picked off by other soldiers as they emerge, before they are ordered to let them burn. During the opening of the scene, a flamethrower operator gets hit in the pack and gets blown up along with his fellow comrades around him.

[[Image:M1A1 Flamethrower.JPG|thumb|none|300px|M1 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:SPRM1flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A flamethrower user with an M1 Flamethrower, seconds before being lit up by a single 8mm round.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Flamethrower-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doyle readies his flamethrower to burn the machine gun bunker.]]
[[Image:SPRM1Flamethrower-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doyle's flamethrower clears out the bunker with a burst of flame. How this burst of flame is so large in unknown. It may be possible that within the confines of the narrow cement hallways in the bunker, it amplifies the blast.]]

==M1A1 Bangalore Torpedo==
Captain John H. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) aids some soldiers in employing [[M1A1 Bangalore Torpedos]] to clear the barbed wire protecting the German bunkers on Omaha Beach.
[[Image:SPRBangalore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers bring up M1A1 Bangalore Torpedoes to clear the barbed wire.]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldiers passing up Bangalores. Note how the side reads "Bangalore M1A1".]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier lights the fuse on the Bangalore while Cpt. Miller holds it.]]
[[Image:SPRBangalore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"FIRE IN THE HOLE!"]]

== Flak 38 ==
A German [[Flak 38]] is crewed by several SS soldiers during the final battle at Ramelle and delivers devastating 20mm flak rounds on Captain Miller's ([[Tom Hanks]]) men. It is finally brought down when PFC. Reiben ([[Edward Burns]]) flanks it from above and takes out the whole crew single-handedly with his B.A.R.
[[Image:SPRFlak38.jpg|thumb|none|600px|German soldiers mow down U.S. paratroopers with their Flak 38.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|20mm shells kick out of the Flak 38.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German's turn their Flak gun to fire on Cpt. Miller.]]
[[Image:SPRFlak38-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The German's begin to reposition the Flak gun before being mowed down by Reiben's B.A.R.]]

==M2 Mortar==

During the final battle in Ramelle, Private Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) and Captain Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) arm 60mm [[M2 Mortar|M2 Mortars]] rounds by banging them against the steel launching base of the mortar tube and throw them like hand grenades at advancing SS soldiers, scoring several kills. While this is possible, they are banging the wrong end, to use the mortar shells in the way they did, they would have to slam the other end against it.
[[Image:SPRmortar-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Ryan ([[Matt Damon]]) and Cpt. Miller ([[Tom Hanks]]) arm 60mm M2 Mortars by hand.]]

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[[Category:War]]

Talk:I Shouldn't Be Alive

2010-05-06T04:01:45Z

Jake zergling: New page: One episode when a father and son go rafting in Alaska the father packs a mariner shotgun, I think it might have been a mossberg 500.

One episode when a father and son go rafting in Alaska the father packs a mariner shotgun, I think it might have been a mossberg 500.

Talk:Hulk (2003)

2010-05-02T18:25:17Z

Jake zergling: /* Rebels */

You missed the GAU-19/A Miniguns chin mounted on the helicopter. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I fixed up the format to meet IMFDB standards. This is what I expect to see. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Good work. I think that launcher is a B&T GL-06, but my comment was removed... and there are M4s with CM203s as well. I hope my DVD is full screen too so if I add shots later they'll match. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:::Oh, whoops sorry about that. But no, it's not a GL-06 because those weren't around when the movie was made (the "06" in the name is for the year it came out, 2006). Plus, the stocks are totally wrong for the GL-06.

:::Also, which helicopters are you referring to with the GAU-19/As? You don't mean the Comanche gunships right? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::::Not the chopper T-Bolt is in, the ones that fire rockets (the rockets and guns fold out). I honestly suck with choppers, I know guns... - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Both the AH-1 Cobra and the RA-66 Comanche have a 20mm M197 cannon in the chin turret. I've already added the varrient to the M61 Vulcan page. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, thanks for the help, I have less experiance with choppers and large weapons since I grew up on small arms. But I'm glad you guys are around to correct me. I might add a shot or two later tonight. He missed the MP5Ks Talbot's thugs used too. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Ugh, and the Mk 19s mounted on the Humvees and DPVs. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

I might be wrong, but that looks like the Russian model of the RGS-50M Grenade Launcher. Yet, it possibly has been modified with an EOTech Sight and a High Explosive-Tipped Grenade.

== Rebels ==

Hey just finished watching the film. The gunmen in the unknown South American country are actually troops of a corrupt government (as badly dressed as they may be). This is evidenced by them saying "These medicines belong to the government" to excuse them taking it from the people "who are helping our enemies".
Also, changed "Latin" to south American, as that is taken by many South Americans as a derogitory term - probably because it implies decent from Latin ppl (ir Europeans) and ignores Indiginous/Black decent or something like that. Not too sure about PCness ins and outs, but this is just to avoid insult.
- Tec-9

Whats wrong with being South American?

Talk:Hulk (2003)

2010-05-02T18:25:09Z

Jake zergling: /* Rebels */

Commando

2010-04-26T17:42:42Z

Jake zergling: /* Heckler & Koch HK91 */

'''The following weapons were used in the movie ''Commando'':'''
[[Image:Commandoposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''[[Commando]]'' (1985)]]

==Heckler & Koch HK91==
During the attack on his home that results in Jenny's ([[Alyssa Milano]]) kidnapping, John Matrix ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) retrieves a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] from his tool shed to fend off the attackers. Since the receiver has only two fire positions (Safe and Fire) it is the semi automatic HK91 rather than the select fire G3.

[[Image:HK Model 91.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This is an early Model HK91 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:CommandoHK91.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Matrix chambers his HK91 after retrieving it from the tool shed - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Commando HK91A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix with his HK91 with two magazines attached together with a dual clip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Commando HK91 02A.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Matrix with his HK91 with two magazines attached together with a dual clip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==Beretta 92SB==
Matrix ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) is also seen taking a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] from his tool shed and tucks it in his belt. He never gets to use it though and it dissapears from his belt when he crashes his car.
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoBeretta92SB-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix tucks his Beretta 92SB into his belt - 9mm. Note the US Special Forces logo on his belt buckle.]]
[[Image:CommandoBeretta92SB-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Beretta 92SB is seen in Matrix's belt when he shoots a man in his room - 9mm]]

==M16==
The original [[M16]] (also known as the Colt SP1 rifle) is used, as denoted by the slab side upper receiver (minus a bolt assist). The three pronged flash hider, however, is replaced with a standard A1 birdcage flash hider in many of the rifles.
[[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The original M16, sold commercially as the Colt SP1 Rifle - this one has an M16A1 flash hider - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Commando SP1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Arius' men patrol the barracks with original M16/SP1 rifles - 5.56x45mm (Note how the actor is properly holding the weapon in a safe direction with his finger off the trigger.)]]
[[Image:Commando SP1 02A.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|500px|Most of the M16 rifles that are fired are the M16/SP1 rifles - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Arius' men is sent flying while holding an M16/SP1 rifle - 5.56x45mm]]

==M16 with A2 handguards==
South American police are seen with [[M16]] (Colt SP1) rifles outfitted with A2 handguards to look like [[M16#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]. Kirby's men at the end of the film are also seen with these rifles.
[[Image:M16-SP1-with-A2-Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat "slab side receiver") with A2 style handguards used to impersonate the M16-A2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A South American police officer armed with an M16 fitted with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A South American police officer armed with an M16 fitted with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An officer with his SP1 with A2 handguards slung over his back - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoSP1-wA2hg-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Gen. Kirby's men are also seen with these rifles at the end of the film - 5.56x45mm. These rifles also appear to have barrels built to accept an M203 launcher.]]

==MGC M16 aka 'Replica M16s'==
Obvious because the [[M16#Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle|MGC M16]] (Model Gun Corp of Japan) metal M16 replicas have three pronged flash hiders, but they are mounted '''upside down''' and their 20 round magazines are blued, not Colt anodyzed gray. Used by every soldier/combatant carrying an M16 when they are doing stunts or pointing the muzzle directing at someone without firing. The replicas were probably used so extensively for safety purposes.
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television]]
[[Image:CommandoMGCreplica-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the fake forward assist and blued magazine on this MGC M16 replica.]]
[[Image:Commando MGC16A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|When Arius' men stick their M16 rifles into Matrix's stomach, they are obvious replica guns.]]
[[Image:Commando M16A1A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|When they are not touching the actor, they switch to real M16/SP1 rifles.]]

==M16A1==
There are numerous appearances of [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles in the film; used by U.S. military personnel as well as some of Arius' ([[Dan Hedaya]]) men, one of which Matrix commandeers and uses as well. Most of the M16 rifles seen have 20 round magazines, but some have 30 round magazines. Throughout the final battle, the rifles in the hands of actors and stuntmen change from original M16 (SP1) rifles to M16A1 rifles and back again.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:CommandoM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sniper fires his M16A1 fitted with a scope at Matrix and Kirby's men - 5.56x45mm. This guy is actually aiming! Note the blank adapter protruding from the barrel into the muzzle break.]]
[[Image:CommandoM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires an M16A1 at Arius one handed - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando M16A1Detail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|'''Continuity Error''': Matrix fires an '''M16A1''' rifle in one shot, and then the gun changes to an '''M16 (SP1)''' rifle in the next shot! - 5.56x45mm]]

==CAR-15==
General Kirby's men, who are assigned to protect Matrix and his daughter, but end up killed themselves are armed with [[M16#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] carbines. '''Not''' XM177s/Colt Commandos, they look to be commercial CAR-15 clones due to the length and shape of their 'fake' XM177 suppressor/flash hider.
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commercial CAR-15 Rifle with a fake XM177 flash hider welded on to make the barrel a legal 16" for commercial sale - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Commando CAR-15Adetail.jpg‎ |thumb|none|700px|Kirby's men have Commercial CA-15 rifles - 5.56x45mm]]

==Ruger Mini-14 GB==
Arius' men use [[Ruger Mini-14|Ruger Mini-14 GB]]s with factory folding stocks. Several of them are seen firing at Matrix and a few are seen dying with their Ruger Rifles. Some are stainless steel models, others are blued models.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix takes a Ruger Mini-14 GB from the armory in the sporting goods store - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando RugerGBa.jpg‎|thumb|none|550px|Arius' man firing a Ruger Mini-14 GB with folding stock - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Some people think when this guy is firing that the gun is full auto. In reality, the actor is just pulling the trigger fast and a full auto sound is dubbed in.]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men dies holding a Ruger Mini-14 GB - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men fires his Mini-14 at Matrix in the tool-shed - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMini14-7.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men waites to ambush Matrix. Wouldn't be very South American without a cigar, would he?]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped & converted)==
One of Arius' men is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] with the 16" barrel chopped down and converted to full auto to resemble an MP5A3. The only featture seen to note this is the lack of the three barrel lugs on the barrel.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted - 9mm. Note lack of barrel lugs, push pin lower reciever and paddle magazine release.]]
[[Image:CommandoHK94c&c-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Arius' man fires his chopped and converted HK94 with a slim line forend - 9mm]]

==Valmet M78/83==

One of the weapons used by Matrix during the assault on Arius' base, the [[Valmet M78]] is a Finnish light machine gun similar in appearance to the [[RPK light machine gun|RPK]], the main difference being a different muzzle brake, front sight assembly, and many other structural differences. The [[Valmet M78]] Light Machine Gun has a standard RPK 'style' buttstock. The later [[Valmet M78#Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]] has a synthetic thumbhole "Dragunov Style" stock. This is the version used in the film. The Valmet M78 series of Light Machine guns came in 7.62x51mm (.308) and 7.62x39mm calibers.
[[Image:Valmet M78.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Valmet M78 7.62x39mm with high-capacity ammo drum and standard magazine]]
[[Image:Commando M78 01DetailsA.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Closeup details of the Valmet M78/83 when Matrix is preparing to attack - 7.62x39mm‎]]
[[Image:Commando M78 03A.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Matrix carries the Valmet M78/83 during the final raid on Arius' base - 7.62x39mm‎]]
[[Image:CommandoValmet78.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix fires the Valmet M78/83 at Arius' men - 7.62x39mm]]

==M202A1 FLASH==

Another weapon used by Matrix during the final assault, the [[M202 FLASH|M202A1 FLASH]] is the 4-barreled rocket launcher first seen being used by Cindy ([[Rae Dawn Chong]]) to flip the police van carrying Matrix after he's arrested raiding a sporting goods store for supplies.
[[Image:M202A2 FLASH.JPG|thumb|none|300px|M202 FLASH rocket launcher]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up and checks the M202 FLASH in the sporting goods store armory. Note how the side reads "M202A1".]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cindy aims the M202 FLASH at the police van, unaware it is backwards. She claims she read the instructions, but that would usually prevent such a mistake.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Oops.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cindy turns the launcher around and shoots the police van. Note how their aren't any rockets in the launcher.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up the M202 on his way to Arius' base.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-6.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix prepares to fire the M202.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-7.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Note how a pyrotechnic charge is seen instead of a rocket.]]
[[Image:CommandoM202Flash-8.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Same with his shot. Somehow, he fires a rocket out of the same tube as before.]]

==Uzi==
One of the weapons used by Matrix that appears in the the final assault is the full size [[Uzi]], when stealing the seaplane to reach Arius' compound and during the final battle.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix picks up an Uzi submachine gun in the sporting goods store armory and hands it to Cindy - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires the Uzi while waiting for Cindy to start the plane - 9mm. Note blue muzzle flames, indicating propane-powered special effect.]]
[[Image:Commando uziA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Matrix uses Uzi during the raid on Arius' base - 9mm]]

==Micro Uzi==
A [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]] is used by Bennett ([[Vernon Wells]]) during a last ditch effort against Matrix, but Bennet is killed by Matrix before he can fire it.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|275px|Micro Uzi with 15 rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett chambers a round in his Micro Uzi before being killed by Matrix - 9mm (Note how he works the cocking handle while his finger is on the trigger- now we know why he got kicked out of the Special Forces!)]]

==Ingram MAC-10==
The [[MAC-10]] submachine gun can be seen being used by assassins in the beginning of the movie, killing members of Matrix's old special forces unit.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Ingram MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke ([[Bill Duke]]) readies his MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Commando MAC-10A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke fires (no blinking, no squinting, eyes open)his MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cooke finishes off their first target with a burst from his MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoMAC-10-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|His MAC-10 changes to a rubber prop after the shot above so he can toss it in the dump truck without damaging the gun.]]

==Remington 870==
A [[Remington 870]] shotgun is used by Matrix during the final raid on Arius' compound. The gun has a long barrel and a high-capacity magazine tube. However, in the film, the shotgun actually changes (continuity error) several times in the sequence, sometimes the foregrip looks different and the sling changes from being slung over the barrel to over the magazine tube. Since the movie had many continuity errors with the other guns, it makes being 100% sure of the shotgun type difficult.
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix chambers his Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note how the Remington 870 slung on his back is a rubber prop that bends around his back!]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires his Remington 870 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:CommandoRem870-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Matrix fires his Remingotn 870 at Arius - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Commando Shotgun 05detail.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Though his shotgun is supposed to be a Remington 870, it has been heavily customized and unfortunately changes slightly from shot to shot - 12 gauge]]

==Steyr AUG==
A [[Steyr AUG]] is seen on the wall of the hidden arms room in the 'surplus store', but never used. Seen again, during the final raid on Arius' compound, Arius attempts to take out Matrix using a [[Steyr AUG]] bullpup rifle, but ultimately fails and ends up among Matrix's body count.
[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Steyr AUG - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Steyr AUG is seen in the armory - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Commando AUG2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arius fires his Steyr AUG but to no avail - 5.56x45mm]]‎

==AKM==
Throughout the film, some of Arius' men are seen using [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]s.

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Commando AKMdetail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|First seen when surrounded at the tool shed, some soldiers have AKMs, later the AKMs are held by the numerous soldiers who die '''acrobatic''' ballet style deaths at the hands of Matrix - 7.62x39mm]]

==M67 hand grenade==

Yet another weapon used by Matrix is several [[M67 hand grenade]]s. Some are also used by Arius' men during the final battle.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M69 inert training hand grenade]]
[[Image:CommandoM67grenade-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up M67 hand grenades in the armory.]]
[[Image:CommandoM67grenade-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix ties the M67 grenades to his vest while preparing to assault Arius' base. This is a very bad way to carry grenades and anyone with basic military training will agree, this is NOT how to carry them. When carried by the pin, several safety hazards are present.]]

==Desert Eagle Mark I==
*Another weapon Matrix uses during the final battle is a chrome [[Desert Eagle|Magnum Research Desert Eagle Mark I]] chambered in .357 or .44 being that the film was shot in 1984 and released in 1985.

[[Image:DesertEagleMarkIstainless.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Matte stainless Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:CommandoDesertEagle-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up a Desert Eagle in the armory - .357 DE]]
[[Image:Commando DesertEagle 03Det.jpg|thumb|700px|none|Matrix loads up his Desert Eagle - .357 DE. Note how the magazine floor plate is falling off.]]
[[Image:CommandoDesertEagle-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix fires his Desert Eagle during the assault on Arius' base - .357 DE]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==
Another weapon seen being carried by Arius' men, but not used in combat is the [[Franchi SPAS-12]].
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 Shotgun - 12-gauge]]
[[Image:CommandoToolShed.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A Franchi SPAS-12 is seen in Matrix's tool shed when he retrieves his weaponry. - 12ga. Note the compact and full sized M1911 variants hanging on the wall.]]
[[Image:CommandoSPAS-12-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A SPAS-12 is seen in the hands of a guard outside Arius' compound - 12ga]]
[[Image:CommandoSPAS-12-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The guard to the left is armed with a SPAS-12 - 12ga]]

==M1911A1==
Some of Arius' men use [[M1911A1]]s as their sidearms.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The man to the right has an M1911A1 - .45 ACP. It is strange how the slide is down and the hammer uncocked even though he emptied the magazine moments before.]]
[[Image:CommandoM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix chops off the arm of the M1911A1 wielding man - .45 ACP]]

==M60E3 machine gun==
The [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine gun]] first appears being used by one of Arius' men, and is commandeered and used by Matrix. The M60E3 used in the film had a shorter barrel, several inches shorter than the standard M60E3.

[[Image:M60E3Short.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E3 machine gun - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men fires the M60E3 at Matrix in the tool shed - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Commando M60E3 01detail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|M60E3 first used by Arius' men when trying to kill Matrix in the tool shed, then taken by Matrix and used against the soldiers - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix fires the M60E3 - 7.62x51mm. Note the blank rounds on the belt. This shot appears to be reversed since Arnold is right handed and the charging handle is on the wrong side.]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E3-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Schwarzenegger is probably one of the only actors who can comfortably hold the M60E3 in one hand.]]

==M60 machine gun==
One of Arius' men is seen guarding his mansion armed with an [[M60 machine gun]]. One is also seen in the sporting goods armory.
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:CommandoM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|One of Arius' men guard the entrance armed with an M60 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-5.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An M60 is seen in the sporting goods armory - 7.62x51mm]]

==Detonics ScoreMaster==

*During the final showdown with Matrix, Bennet shoots him in the arm with a [[M1911 pistol#Detonics ScoreMaster|Detonics ScoreMaster]] before tossing it down in favor of his knife in order to show his Manhood.
[[Image:Detonicsscoremaster.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Detonics ScoreMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett keeps his Detonics ScoreMaster in a black leather US Issue M1911 pistol holster with the bottom cut out to accomidate the extended barrel - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett shoots Matrix with his Detonics ScoreMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett with his ScoreMaster - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:CommandoDetServMast-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Bennett with his ScoreMaster - .45 ACP. Apparently he was instructed to act enough for himself ''and'' Arnie.]]

==Colt Combat Commander Series 70==

General Kirby keeps a [[M1911#Colt Commander|Colt Combat Commander Series 70]] carried in his holster when Matrix surprises him and pulls the gun out and points it at him.

[[Image:ColtCombatCommanderSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Combat Commander with Satin Nickel Finish and wood grips - 9mm]]
[[Image:Commando ColtSeries70A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kirby's Colt Commander moments before being grabbed by Matrix - .45acp]]
[[Image:Commando M1911 01A.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Matrix getting the drop on his friend with a satin nickel Commander, the "little brother" of the classic 1911/Series 70 pistols - .45acp]]

==M18A1 Claymore==

Just before starting the final battle, Matrix plants several [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mines on the grounds of the complex, and triggers it remotely during the battle. Though the M18A1 Claymore is an antipersonnel mine, the ones in the film are strong enough to vaporize an entire building, indicative of the 'exaggeration' of Hollywood movies. The M18A1 Claymore mines are not real (of course NONE are real in movies), however the ones in this film are even more 'customized' than usual. They are plastic casts of the M18A1 and fabricated to take an internal Radio receiver (and custom detonator). The Real M18A1 would be a self enclosed unit, two plastic halves enclosing the explosive and steel balls (shrapnel), and would not have room to add on an internal radio unit.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|200px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:CommandoMockClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Matrix picks up the mock M18A1 Claymores in the armory.]]
[[Image:Commando ClaymoreDetail.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The Mines used by Matrix, note that the raised letters "M18 A1" are gone (ground off) as are the painted lot numbers (a feature of real Claymores). A faux radio controller and tiny lightbulb is visible 'glued' into the side of the M18A1 which Matrix uses to radio detonate a series of these mines.]]

==Smith & Wesson 39==
Sully ([[David Patrick Kelly]]) keeps a [[Smith & Wesson Model 39|Smith & Wesson 39]] as his sidearm in the film.
[[Image:S&W39.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 39 - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sully fires his Smith & Wesson 39 at Matrix through the phone booth - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sully with his Smith & Wesson 39 while in the elavator at the mall - 9mm]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W39-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Sully fires his S&W 39 at Matrix during the car chase - 9mm]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15==
Police officers at the mall use [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] revolvers while trying to apprehend Matrix.
[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W15-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cindy knocks down an officer armed with a Smith & Wesson Model 15 before he can shoot Matrix - .38spl]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
One of the men inside the bar in the mall tries to shoot at the police with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] but is gunned down before he can get off a shot.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W60snub-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|A thug tries to fire his Smith & Wesson Model 60 at the police - .357 Magnum]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 67==
Cooke ([[Bill Duke]]) tries to shoot Matrix with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 15|Smith & Wesson Model 67]], the stainless version of the Model 15, while fighting with him in Sully's hotel room.
[[Image:S&WM67.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 67 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cooke and Matrix fight as Cooke tries to shoot Matrix with his Smith & Wesson Model 67 - .38spl]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cooke fires his Model 67 at Matrix - .38spl]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-3.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Cooke points his Model 67 at Matrix - .38spl]]
[[Image:CommandoS&W67-4.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Luckily for Matrix the gun clicks empty.]]

==Hidden Armory==
*In search of weapons and supplies, Matrix goes to a sporting goods store and opens up a secret armory behind the wall, revealing 100s of guns inside. The ones most obvious are:
[[Image:CommandoArmory-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Matrix first enters the armory, the blue section of the wall is holding up several [[MAC-10]]s, [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]]s, a [[TEC-9|TEC-9 Mini]], and an MP5, likely a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]] chopped and converted. On the white section of the wall, the only two guns seen clearly are sniper variant HK91s, likely [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch SR9-T]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen on this section is a [[Steyr AUG]] rifle, two [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] rifles, an [[Galil|IMI Galil ARM]], a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91A3]], an [[M202 FLASH]], and two [[Browning M1917]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the blue section of the wall are two [[Uzi]]s and two [[MAC-10]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the white section of the wall is an [[M16|M16A1]] with a suppressor and a scope, a [[Valmet M78]] in the Dragunov figuration, a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] with a scope, and a [[Steyr AUG]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Matrix picks up his [[Remington 870]], to the left is a WW2 German [[Panzerschreck]], an [[M60]], two [[Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]]s, and what appears to be an [[MM1 grenade launcher]]. To the right is an [[M16|M16A1]] fitted with a suppressor and scope, a [[Valmet M78]] in the Dragunov configuration, a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91]] fitted with a scope, and a [[Steyr AUG]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On one of the racks are [[M16|M16A1]]s, [[M16#Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle|MGC M16 replica]]s, [[FN FAL|L1A1 SLR]]s, [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]s, and [[Valmet M78|Valmet M78/83]].]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Matrix picks up an [[M202 FLASH]], an [[Galil|IMI Galil ARM]] is seen along with a [[Heckler & Koch G3|Heckler & Koch HK91A3]] and two [[Browning M1917]]s.]]
[[Image:CommandoArmory-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here's a better view of the two [[Browning M1917]] machine guns. To the right is a [[Browning M2|Browning M2 Aircraft]] .50 caliber.]]

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2010-03-13T18:58:20Z

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Battlefield: Bad Company 2

2010-03-13T18:57:58Z

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Battlefield: 1943

2010-03-13T18:57:40Z

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'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Battlefield: 1943'':'''

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1928-A1_T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Hand grenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class.
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few were made, none, however saw any service. It is possible that this weapon was put into the game to compete with the M1 Garand.

[[Image:Type5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class Scoped [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Mauser g98 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k Sniper - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

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Battlefield: 1943

2010-03-13T18:57:05Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

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'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Battlefield: 1943'':'''

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1928-A1_T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Hand grenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class.
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few were made, none, however saw any service. It is possible that this weapon was put into the game to compete with the M1 Garand.

On another note sorry for the picture was taken with a cellphone from my big book of guns.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]]
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]
[[Image:Type5.jpg‎ ]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class Scoped [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Mauser g98 Sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k Sniper - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

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2010-03-13T18:56:40Z

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The Book of Eli

2010-01-18T21:03:27Z

Jake zergling:

[[Image:Book-of-eli-poster.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|The Book of Eli (2010)]]
''Note: All images are from the HD Trailer.

'''WORLD EXCLUSIVE for IMFDB''' The Guns of The Book of Eli.

'''The following guns were seen in the movie ''The Book of Eli'':'''

==Heckler & Koch HK45==
Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) carries a weathered [[Heckler & Koch HK45]] pistol. Even though the pistol had just been out a year when the film was made, the filmmakers wanted it to look like an antique vintage firearm (as this film take place in the future). The brand new HK45 was sanded and worn down to look very old for the film. In true movie fashion, Eli fires about twice as amny rounds as the pistol can hold before reloading.
[[Image:HK45 Eli.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The Screen used Heckler & Koch HK45 Pistol, carried and fired by Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) in the movie. - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HK45 Rack.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eli racks the slide on his HK45 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:HK45Lock.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The business end of the HK45 pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:EliAimsHK45.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|In the street, Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) aims his HK45.]]
[[Image:HK45 EliFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Eli firing his HK45 in a clearly 'reversed' shot.]]

==Remington 870 "Witness Protection" Short Shotgun==
Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) carries a short barreled [[Remington 870]] "Witness Protection" shotgun, with various weathering and a heavily taped handle.
[[Image:Remingt870WitProt Eli.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|This is the screen used Remington 870 "Witness Protection" short barreled shotgun, carried and fired by Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) in the movie. - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:EliwalkswithRem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The iconic shot that is replicated in the movie posters, Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) walks through a post apocalyptic wasteland with his Remington 870 shotgun on his back.]]
[[Image:EliSitRem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) sits to talk with Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) with his Remington 870 near his side.]]
[[Image:EliRacks870.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Eli ([[Denzel Washington]]) racks his Remington 870 shotgun prior to an attack the house he is in by Carnegie's henchmen.]]
[[Image:Rem870 EliFire.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Eli fires his Remington 870.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Carnegie ([[Gary Oldman]]) carries a [[Browning Hi-Power]] throughout the film.

[[Image:BrowningHiPowerPistol9mm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Classic Commercial Browning Hi-Power (Belgian Mfg) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BHP Carnegie.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Beretta 92FS Two Tone==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) is ordered at one point to shoot Eli with his two toned [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol - 9mm.

[[Image:Beretta92FS 2ToneType01.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Two Tone Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm. This has a Stainless Slide on a standard Frame & Barrel.]]
[[Image:2ToneBeretta.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) aims a Two toned Beretta 92FS pistol - 9x19mm]]

==Type 69 RPG==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) attacks a house with a [[RPG-7#Type 69|Chinese Type 69 RPG]].

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chinese Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Type69Aimed.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==MK II Hand grenade==
Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) spies a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] and throws it to destroy a pursuing car.
[[Image:MKIITrainingGrenade.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 dummy grenade (this is a movie prop)]]
[[Image:MKII-Grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The handgrenade spotted by Solara ([[Mila Kunis]]) and later thrown by her at a car.]]

==Unknown Pump-Action Shotgun==
Could be either a Remington 870 with extended tube or a Benelli M3 with extended tube (hard to tell from the trailer).
[[Image:ShotgunChase.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Carnegie thug aims a yet to be determined shotgun.]]

==AK-47 (Norinco Type 56?)==
One of Carnegie's thugs carries an AK-47 (exact variant unknown at this time). It may be a [[Norinco Type 56]], but this is uncertain.

[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==FN FAL==
Redridge ([[Ray Stevenson]]) carries an [[FN FAL]] - Para Variant
[[Image:Fal_para-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL 50.63 "Paratrooper" with 18" barrel - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Unknown bolt action rifles==
Carnegie's thugs spread out to find and kill Eli. They carry some bolt action rifles of unknown make and model.
[[Image:CarnegieGunGangSearches.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Gatling Gun==
At one point, Carnegie's men use a hand-cranked [[Gatling Gun]] on the house Eli is holed up in.
[[Image:Gatling_gun_1865.jpg|thumb|none|300px|1865 [[Gatling Gun]]]]
[[Image:CarngiesGunGang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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==Winchester 1897 Trench Gun==
Used by the husband while Eli and Solara are hiding out in their house

==MP5A5==
used by the wife while hiding out in the house

==MP7A1==
Used by Solara

==Double Barrel Shotgun==
Used by the engineer when he first confronts Eli

Bad Boys II

2009-12-28T23:51:06Z

Jake zergling: /* SIG-Sauer P226 */

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Bad Boys II'':'''
[[Image:Bad boys two.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Bad Boys II'' (2003)]]

== Glock 17 ==

Detective Mike Lowrey ([[Will Smith]]) carries 2nd and 3rd generation [[Glock 17]]s akimbo style as his standard weapons, both with chrome slides. Syd ([[Gabrielle Union]]) later takes one of these pistols during the mission to rescue her in Cuba to defend herself as they're making their escape, and uses it to set off a land mine at Guantanamo Bay, killing Carlos ([[Otto Sanchez]]), Tapia's right hand man. Lowrey's partner Detective Marcus Burnett ([[Martin Lawrence]]) then uses another Glock 17 to dispatch Johnny Tapia ([[Jordi Mollà]]) with a headshot, although it truly appears out of nowhere. Police Officers are seen using standard models during the shootout with the Haitians. It seemed that the Glocks had longer-lasting magazines in the beginning of the film than at the end of the film.

[[Image:Glock_17.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 9x19mm with two-tone finish]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey raises his two Glocks 17s on the KKK members, one a 2nd gen, the other a 3rd gen. These change throughout the scene due to continuity error.]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey dives to save Burnett, firing both Glocks in mid-flight. A goof present is that the bullets would be almost at the target before the slides even moved, yet note how both slides are back, with the bullets still in the frame]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey reloads his Glock 17, although cocking it during a mid-mag reload is not necessary; a round is already in the chamber]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey fires his Glock 17 into a hole in the wall, puting a 9x19mm hollow point in a Haitian's eye]]
[[Image:2003 bad boys ii 025.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Mike Lowrey with a Glock 17 at the ready in ''Bad Boys II'']]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey with his empty Glock 17, Syd has his 19]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey lets his Glock 17 fall from his hand]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Syd throws Lowrey's Glock 19 on a landmine, now leaving all the Glocks empty and destroyed]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17x2-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yet Burnett somehow has a Glock now. It seems to have replaced his SIG-Sauer, which also was said to have one in the chamber]]
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2Glock17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Police Officer with a Glock]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==

Detective Marcus Burnett carries a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]] pistol as his standard sidearm. Like Lowrey's Glocks, Burnett's pistol is also black with a silver slide. Tapia's right-hand man Carlos can also be seen wielding an all-black P226 during the standoff at Guantanamo Bay near the end of the film.

[[Image:SigP226TwoTone02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 9x19mm with two-tone finish]]
[[Image:BB2_Sig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Ah damn, it's the 'nigras'." Burnett wielding his P226 during the KKK rally raid at the beginning of the film]]
[[Image:BB2SIG-SauerP226-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett gets covered in toilet water with his SIG-Sauer P226 at the ready]]
[[Image:BB2SIG-SauerP226-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett holds his SIG-Sauer P226 to "Blondie Dreads" ([[Kiko Ellsworth]])]]
[[Image:BB2SIG-SAUERP226-3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett shoots out the tram window with his SIG-Sauer P226]]
[[Image:BB2SIG-SauerP226-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett with his hands up in the mine-field with his P226]]
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2SIG-SauerP226-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Carlos with a SIG-Sauer P226 in the minefield]]

== Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 629 ==

During the raid on the KKK rally, one of the members not wearing robes and with tattoos all over his arms manages to catch Burnett off-guard and holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29#Smith & Wesson Model 629|Smith & Wesson Performance Center model 629]] revolver to his head, taunting him and Lowrey until he's finally killed with a head shot from one of Lowrey's Glocks.

[[Image:Smith & Wesson Performance Center model 629.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 629 .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BB2TaurusRagingbull-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A KKK member holds a S&W Performance Center 629 on Burnett]]
[[Image:BB2TaurusRagingbull-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The KKK member cocks his Smith & Wesson Performance Center Model 629]]
[[Image:BB2_Revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A KKK member attempts to hold Burnett Hostage with his Smith & Wersson Performance Center Model 629]]

== Heckler & Koch SL8 ==

During the shootout at the KKK rally, one of the TNT members can be seen using a [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch SL8|Heckler & Koch SL8]] sniper rifle fitted with a night vision scope and tactical flashlight, using it to take out a KKK member attempting to shoot Lowrey from behind. The same TNT member uses this rifle again when assaulting Tapia's mansion in Cuba.

[[Image:H&KSL8Tactical.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch SL8 Tactical Match Rifle 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2_H&K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member with a Heckler & Koch SL8 takes aim]]
[[Image:BB2HKSL-8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member with his Heckler & Koch SL8 during the assault on Tapia's mansion]]

== Glock 26 ==

At the beginning of and during the freeway chase scene, Syd can be seen using a [[Glock#Glock 26|Glock 26]] pistol to defend herself from the Haitian gang members.

[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 26 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Badboys2pubq-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Syd defends herself with a Glock 26]]

== AKM ==

Numerous [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]]'s appear in the film, being weilded by Cuban Army soldiers responding to the attack on Tapia's mansion. Tito Vargas ([[Reynaldo A. Gallegos]]) can be seen wielding an AKM as well, using it to help the protagonists escape Tapia's mansion during "plan B".

[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|AKM 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BB2_AK3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Burnett with a [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] (foreground), and Tito with an AKM (background)]]
[[Image:BB2AKM-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tito with the AKM]]
[[Image:BB2AKM-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cuban Militia fire their AKMs at Burnett and Lowrey as they flee in a Unimog. These appear to be genuine type AK-47s, so they could have been pieced from russian parts kits or they are some type of PolyTech Legend models]]

== Norinco Type 56 ==

In addition to the AKM's, some Cuban Army soldiers can be seen carrying [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] rifles.

[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BB2AKM-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cuban militia soldier jumps off a personel truck with an Norinco Type 56 in hand. Note how the shot has clearly been reversed]]

== AKMSU ==

Several of the Haitian gang members can be seen brandishing [[AK-47#AKMSU|AKMSU]] carbines during the freeway chase scene, and again when Burnett and Lowrey raid their hideout. One AKMSU is seen during the shootout at Tapia's Cuban house, which cleary has a 7.62x39 magazine, but features an [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]] style side-folding stock.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:BB2AKMSU-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian fires an AKMSU]]
[[Image:BB2AKMSU-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian with an AKMSU]]
[[Image:BB2AKS-74U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cuban soldier falls dead in a pool with an AKMSU with side-folding stock in hand]]

== FN FAL ==

Another weapon used by the Haitian gang members is an American variant of the [[FN FAL]] carbine, the [[FN FAL#DSA SA58 OSW|DSA SA58 OSW]], seen during the intersection shootout and freeway chase scenes by "Blondie Dreads" ([[Kiko Ellsworth]]). Like the FN FAL, The SA58 comes in many shapes and sizes and can easily be modified with different stocks, sights, etc., but in this particular scene it is a "Tactical Carbine OSW", which is a select-fire, short carbine (12" barrel with carbine handguard) with a para-style side-folding stock and a 7.62x51mm 30-round FAL magazine. Like the Law Enforcement/Military-only version of the SA58 OSW, the one used in the movie is select-fire. A U.S. Marine can be seen firing one at the protagonists' H2 Hummer when they charge onto the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo, which is inaccurate since this weapon is not used by the U.S. military.

[[Image:DSA-SA-58-OSW.jpg‎ |thumb|400px|none|DSA SA58 OSW Carbine with 30 round magazine and RIS handguard 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Blondie_Dred_SA58_4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The Haitian "Blondie Dreads" fires a DSA SA58 OSW carbine round magazine]]
[[Image:BB2FNFALcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Close up of action on firing DSA SA58 OSW carbine]]
[[Image:BB2FNFALcarbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A U.S. Marine fires a DSA SA58 OSW at the protagonists' H2 Hummer]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==

During the shootout between the Haitian gang members and the police in the intersection, several officers are seen engaging the Haitians with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles retrieved from the trunks of their patrol cars. They are also seen being used by U.S. Marines responding to the standoff situation at the perimeter of the Guantanamo Bay naval base.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2_M16.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Police Officer fires an M16A2]]
[[Image:BB2_M16_2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|U.S. Marines armed with M16A2s]]

== Heckler & Koch UMP45 ==

During the freeway chase scene, Mike Lowrey takes out an [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] from the back seat of his Ferrari, deploying the weapon at the beginning of the break/gunfight in the chase at the intersection. During this gunfight, Marcus Burnett gets another UMP and uses it during this shootout, as well as the continuation of the chase as it spills onto the MacArthur Causeway Bridge. It's here that Burnett, while offering up suppressive fire, accidentally riddles the dashboard of Lowrey's Ferrari with a burst. It is noted as the UMP45, the .45 ACP varient based on its slower rate of fire than the .40 S&W and 9x19mm variants, as well as the transparent strip running down the side of the magazine.

[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &K UMP .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BB2UMP45-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike pulls out two UMP45s from Lowrey's backseat compartment]]
[[Image:BB2UMP45-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey reloads his UMP45]]
[[Image:BB2_UMP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike fires a Heckler & Koch UMP out the window of his Ferrari]]
[[Image:Badboys2a-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett hangs out the window of Lowrey's Ferrari, during the freeway chase firing a Heckler & Koch UMP]]

== Serbu Super Shorty 9 ==

During the shootout between the Haitian gang members and the police in the intersection, one of the gang members shoots out the rear window of Syd's SUV, to which she responds by drawing a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] shotgun and gives the luckless Haitian a point-blank blast.

[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Serbu Super Shorty 9 12 guage]]
[[Image:BB2_Mossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Syd pulls out a Serbu Super Shorty 9]]

== Mk 2 Hand Grenade ==

When Lowrey and Burnett are getting chewed out in Captain Howard ([[Joe Pantoliano]])'s office following the freeway chase, a [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] can be seen sitting on his desk. Though it looks like a Mk II, it is actually an oversized '''Pewter Hand grenade "cigarette Lighter"''' modeled after the Mk 2.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:BB2_Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Pewter cigarette lighter that is modeled after the Mk 2 hand grenade sits on Captain Howard's desk]]

== Colt Anaconda ==

When Roberto is telling Tapia about the freeway chase, Tapia can be seen using a [[Colt Anaconda]] to shoot rats infesting his Miami home.

[[Image:Colt-Anaconda.gif|thumb|400px|none|Colt Anaconda .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BB2_Anaconda.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Tapia fires a Colt Anaconda at the rats eating his money]]

== Micro Uzi ==

During the shootout with Tapia's cronies during the coroner truck chase, one of Tapia's cronies can be seen letting loose with a [[Uzi#Micro Uzi|Micro Uzi]].

[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi with 32-round magazine 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2_Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Tapia's cronies unloads with a Micro Uzi]]

==Intratec TEC-9==

During the shootout with Tapia's cronies during the coroner truck chase, one of Tapia's cronies can be seen letting loose with an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]].

[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Intratec TEC-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2_Tech9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Tapis's cronies lets loose with a Intratec TEC-9]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K ==

During the shootout with Tapia's cronies during the coroner truck chase, one of Tapia's cronies can be seen letting loose with an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K]], though is clearly not experienced with the weapon, holding it by the magazine instead of the foregrip.

[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2_MP5_3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Tapia's cronies fires a Heckler & Koch MP5K]]

== Type 69 RPG ==

During the rescue mission in Cuba, the Cuban Army arrives to complicate matters, including at least one [[RPG-7#Type 69|Type 69]] RPG team. It differs from the Russian [[RPG-7]], most notably that the soldier firing it has to grab one handle above the launcher and one below - indicative of the Type 69 (the Chinese copy of the RPG-7).

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 69 RPG 40mm]]
[[Image:BB2_RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cuban soldier with an Type 69 RPG]]

== Browning M2HB (Mocked up as DShK) ==

Among the weapons used by the Cuban Army soldiers that arrive at the mansion during the rescue mission are several [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB heavy machine guns]] mocked up as [[DShK heavy machine gun]]s mounted on the back of a truck.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DShK heavy machine gun 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB .50 BMG in vehicle mount]]
[[Image:BB2_DShK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cuban soldier on a DShK heavy machine gun, mocked up from a Browning M2HB]]
[[Image:BB2DShk.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cuban soldier firing a "DShK"]]

== SIG-Sauer P232 ==

The main villain of the film, Johnny Tapia keeps a [[SIG-Sauer P230|SIG-Sauer P232]] in his bedroom in his Miami home. We first see the weapon when a pair of prostitutes are goofing off with it and accidentally fire it and shatter a vase, much to Tapia's annoyance. He is also seen killing Roberto ([[Jon Seda]]) with it, and using it during the raid on his Miami home which leads to Syd being taken hostage.
[[Image:SigP232.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P232 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:BB2_PPK.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Two prostitutes play around with Tapia's SIG P232]]
[[Image:BB2_PPK2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Tapia shoots Roberto in the head with his SIG P232]]
[[Image:BB2SIGP230-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia "apologizes" while holding his SIG P232]]
[[Image:BB2SIGP230-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia with his SIG P232 during the raid on his Miami home by Alexei and SWAT]]

== Beretta 92FS Inox ==

A [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] pistols make several appearances in the film. Curiously, they appear in the hands of different users at different points throughout the film; first in the hands of Haitian gang members when Lowrey and Burnett raid their hideout, then again by one of Tapia's cronies with one when fighting with Lowrey onboard the monorail train following the coroner truck chase. The one used by the gangster on the train is a [["Non Guns"#Beretta 92F|"Non Gun" Beretta Inox]] replica.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2_Beretta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian with a Beretta 92FS Inox]]
[[Image:BB2BerettaInox.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian fires a Beretta Inox through the hole in the wall]]
[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 SN.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Beretta Inox Non Gun]]
[[Image:BB2M92Inox.JPG|thumb|none|500px|One of Tapia's cronies wields a "Non Gun" Beretta Inox while fighting with Lowrey aboard a monorail train]]

== Taurus PT92 ==

Dual [[Taurus PT92#PT92|Taurus PT92]]'s are seen being brandished akimbo-style by a drunk Alexei ([[Peter Stormare]]) when he comes to Tapia's Miami home looking for revenge, fatally shooting one of Tapia's men before being gunned down by Miami P.D. SWAT when he refuses to drop them and raises the weapons towards the officers.

[[Image:TaurusPT92AFSwBlack.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus PT92AFS (Stainless) 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2BerettaInox-TheRussianGrimReaperIsHere.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"The Russian Grim Reaper is here." Alexei brandishes twin PT92's as he kills one of Tapia's men]]
[[Image:BBPT92-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Alexei calls out for Tapia with his Taurus PT92s in hand. Note the frame mounted slide-stop safeties]]
[[Image:BBPT92-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Alexei fires his PT92s at the SWAT team, but misses and is gunned down]]
[[Image:BB2BerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Alexei refuses to throw down his Taurus PT92s and is shot by SWAT during a standoff]]
[[Image:Full06-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Alexei with his Taurus PT92s in a promotional picture]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 39 ==

Alexei is also seen with dual [[Smith & Wesson Model 39]] pistols, kept in cross draw shoulder holsters. They appear to have stainless slides.

[[Image:S&W39.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 39 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BBPT92-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two Smith & Wesson Model 39s are seen in Alexei's cross draw holsters when he fires at the SWAT officers. It appears even in his drunken state, he was armed to the teeth]]

== Heckler & Koch G36C ==

During the rescue mission in Cuba, Burnett can be seen using a [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] fitted with an M68 Aimpoint scope as his main weapon during the mission. A DEA agent can also be seen using one briefly during the freeway chase scene.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2G36C-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Burnett bursts out of a coffin firing a G36C]]
[[Image:BB2G36C-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Burnett firing an Heckler & Koch G36C]]
[[Image:BB2 G36K.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A DEA agent wields a Heckler & Koch G36C during the freeway chase]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5SD ==

Mike Lowrey and a DEA agent that joins the protagonists are seen using [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD]]'s during the Cuban rescue mission. They are fitted with an M68 Aimpoint red dot sight and a tactical flashlight under the barrel. Several members of the Miami P.D. SWAT team that storms the Spanish Palms Mortuary can also be seen armed with similarly-equipped MP5SD's, albeit without the Aimpoint scopes.

[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey pops out of a coffin firing an MP5SD]]
[[Image:BB2MP5SD-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A DEA agent with an MP5SD]]
[[Image:BB2_MP5_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lowrey wielding a Heckler & Koch MP5SD]]
[[Image:BB2MP5SD SWAT.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Miami P.D. SWAT officers storm the Spanish Palms Mortuary with MP5SD's at the ready]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A2 ==

During the raid on the Spanish Palms Mortuary, Miami PD SWAT team members can be seen toting [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]'s fitted with Surefire dedicated forend weaponlights.

[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight]]
[[Image:BB2_MP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SWAT team members armed with Heckler & Koch MP5A2s]]

== Steyr SPP ==

During the rescue mission in Cuba and the final standoff of the film, Tapia can be seen brandishing a [[Steyr TMP#Steyr SPP|Steyr SPP]], a variant of the [[Steyr TMP]] machine pistol with the foregrip removed. The weapon is shown as capable of firing on full-auto, which means that this SPP, like many SPPs seen in American movies and TV shows, was converted to automatic with a registered auto sear by a qualified armorer.

[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SPP pistol 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BB2_TMP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia takes cover with a Steyr SPP]]
[[Image:BB2SteyrSPP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia fires his Steyr SPP, eyes closed]]
[[Image:BB2SteyrSPP-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia holds his SPP to Lowrey, who holds an empty Glock]]

== Valmet M76 ==
[[Valmet M76]] rifles are seen in the hands of some Haitian thugs.

[[Image:M76sidefolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Valmet M76 with side-folding stock and magazine removed 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2Daewoocarbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian dies with a Valmet M76 side-folder in hand]]
[[Image:BB2Daewoocarbine-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian falls dead on a car with a Valmet M76 in hand]]

== Double-Barreled Shotgun ==

During the rescue mission in Cuba, Tapia's mother Donna Maria Tapia ([[Gloria Irizarry]]) attacks the rescuers with a [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|double-barreled shotgun]] of unknown make and model, though is knocked out by one of the rescuers when she runs out of ammunition. When she raises it, it makes a pump-action cocking sound.

[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stoeger/IGA Coach 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BB2_Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tapia's mother fires at the TNT members with a double-barreled shotgun]]

== M240B Machine Gun ==

In the scene where drug runners in a 'go-fast' speedboat are being pursued by Miami P.D. and U.S. Coast Guard helicopters, the MH-68A Stingray helicopters are armed with door-mounted [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240B machine gun]]s, which are ultimately used to end the chase by shooting up the boat's engine.

[[Image:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240B 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BB2_M240.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A U.S Coast Guard helicopter crewman fires an M240B machine gun from a helicopter]]

== CAR-15 ==

There are two appearances of a [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|CAR-15]] carbine in the film, both in the hands of drug runners in a 'go fast' speedboat. It is not a Colt Commando, but a third party manufacturer of a '''CAR-15 look-a-like'''. The barrel is a full length 11.5"" with a fake 5.5" XM177 style flash hider welded on the end. The flash hider on these CAR-15 clones are the same diameter as the A1 "birdcage" flash hider, so that the M7 bayonet can still slip over the front and lock into the bayonet lug. The '''real''' CAR-15, XM177 series of carbines have flash hiders/sound suppressors that are too large for the bayonet ring.

[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Commercial CAR-15 clone rifle 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2_Commando.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A drug runner with a CAR-15 carbine]]

== M4A1 Carbine ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] makes several appearances as well; first in the hands of TNT members waiting for the signal to move in on the Ku Klux Klan members at the start of the film, then among the weapons used by the rescue team during the mission in Cuba. As is the norm with M4's in movies, they're tricked out with varying accessories, including M68 Aimpoint scopes, Surefire M500AB forend weaponlights, and laser pointers.

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M4A1 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BB2_M4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vargas with an M4A1 carbine moments before using it to knock Johnny Tapia's mother unconscious]]
[[Image:BB2_M4_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member (left) with an M4A1 carbine]]

== Mossberg 590 Mariner ==

A stainless steel [[Mossberg 500 series shotgun#Mossberg 590|Mossberg 590 Mariner]] shotgun with black foregrip and stock and a high-capacity magazine tube makes two appearances in the film. The distinct silver finish is specific to the "Mariner" special edition of Mossberg 590 shotguns.

[[Image:Mossberg590Mariner 9Shot.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 mariner with high-capacity magazine tube 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BB2_Remington.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A KKK member armed with a Mossberg 590 Mariner before being shot]]

== Remington 870 ==

During the Haitian street shootout, Miami P.D. officers can be seen armed with [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870]] shotguns.

[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun 12 gauge]]‎
[[Image:BB2Remington870-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An officer takes cover with a blued Remington 870]]

== Ithaca 37 Shotgun ==

Some of the Haitian gang members are seen using [[Ithaca 37]] shotguns fitted with their distinctive pistol grips, but they are not long enough to be "Stakeout" models. They are ''not'' Remington 870s, as they have no ejection port and a different style trigger guard. A goof in this scene is that the same Haitian is seen wielding the shotgun inside the trans am that Marcus shoots and crashes into the back of another car yet he is still present during the intersection shootout.

[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BB2_Remington2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Haitian fires a nickel plated Ithaca 37 with a pistol grip]]
[[Image:BB2Ithaca37stakeout.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blond Dreads fires his Nickel plated Ithaca 37 with a pistol grip]]

== M141 SMAW-D ==

At the onset of the rescue mission, one member of the team pops up from a tunnel dug beneath Tapia's Cuban mansion and uses an [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW#M141 SMAW-D|M141 SMAW-D]] to destroy the security shed.

[[ Image:Image004.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M141 SMAW-D 83mm in launch and carry positions]]
[[Image:BB2_AT4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of TNT fires an M141 SMAW-D]]
[[Image:BB2launcher-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the SMAW-D being fired]]
[[Image:BB2Launcher-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member prepares to fire another SMAW-D]]

== M249 SAW ==

Another weapon used during the Cuban rescue mission is a 'paratrooper' version of the [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]], fitted with a telescoping stock and shorter barrel, to waste many of Tapia's bodyguards and Cuban soldiers.

[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 SAW 5.56x45mm paratrooper version with 200 round ammo drum]]
[[Image:BB2_Saw.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member fires an M249 SAW]]
[[Image:BB2MSAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A TNT member fires the M249 SAW]]

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12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun

2009-11-15T03:58:58Z

Jake zergling:

[[Image:Stevens12GaugeShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|J. Stevens and Company Side by Side Shotgun (Circa 1878) exposed hammers and designed to fire Black Powder shotgun shells - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:CharlesParker1878Shotgun.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Charles Parker 1878 Side by Side Shotgun - 12 Gauge. The Parker Gun Company was absorbed into Remington in 1934.]]
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|right|500px|1960s Era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:LCSmithSxSShotgunField.jpg|thumb|right|500px|L.C. Smith Cased hardened hammerless side by side Field shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BaikalSBSShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Modern Baikal Commercial hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge. Baikal is a Russian manufacturer and a version of this budget shotgun is known as the Remington Spartan.]]
[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Stoeger/IGA Coach imported side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:StoegerCoachGunWestern.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Stoeger imported Coach Western side by side shotgun with exposed hammers - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Colt1878.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 1878 reproduction - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Savage/Stevens 311A Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RemingtonSPR210.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|Remington SPR210 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RemingtonSPR210Cowboy.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Remington SPR210 Shotgun Hammerless Coach Gun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|Remington SPR220 Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]‎
[[Image:RemingtonSPR220Cowboy.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|Remington SPR220 Shotgun Exposed hammer Cowboy Action Gun - 12 Gauge]]‎
The vast majority of shotguns seen in films and television are 12 gauge shotguns. Despite the existence of other gauges like 410, 16, 20, and 28 as well as the older 10 gauge and 8 gauge punt guns (and others), the shotguns most likely to be seen in a film would be the ubiquitous 12 gauge.

There are many instances of '''12 Gauge Double Barreled shotguns''' in films, television, and video games. However it is difficult to determine the exact make and model of gun since the distinctive features are hard to make out, even in close up. '' However, it is possible to ID the guns eventually if enough of their details are clearly visible in a film. Several things make this possible a)The Wooden foregrips are distinctive as is the factory checkering, b)The lever that removes the foregrip is distinctive, c)The buttstock is distinctive as well as the shape as seen from the side profile. More and more of these 'mystery' shotguns will be IDd as time goes on. :)''

==Side by Side Shotgun==
The 12 gauge side by side shotgun is the iconic hunting or 'country' shotgun. From Jed Clampett of "The Beverly Hillbillies" to Jack Ryan in ''[[Patriot Games]]'', the side by side shotgun has been the staple of the hunter or sportsman. The Black powder versions are iconic weapons of the Old West and percussion cap or muzzle loader shotguns are symbols of the Pioneer expansion westward throughout the 1800s. As of the late 1890s, double barreled shotguns were built to withstand the higher pressures of the modern smokeless powder shells.

'''''This section is for all Side by Side shotguns of legal length (i.e. 18" to 28" (or longer)'''''

=== Film ===
* [[Bruce Campbell]] as Ash Williams in the second and third installments of the ''[[Evil Dead]]'' trilogy

* [[Richard S. Castellano]] as Peter Clemenza, [[Angelo Ifanti]] as Fabrizio, and [[Franco Citti]] as Calo in ''[[The Godfather]]''

* ''[[Papillon]]''

* Shooter and Moreno in ''[[Training Day]]''

*[[Dustin Hoffman]] as David Summer in ''[[Straw Dogs]]''

* One of the shark hunters in ''[[Jaws]]''

* [[Robert Mitchum]] as Harry Kilmer in ''[[The Yakuza]]'' (1975)

* [[Gloria Irizarry]] as Donna Maria Tapia in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[John Kani]] as Samuel in ''[[Ghost and the Darkness, The|The Ghost and the Darkness]]''

* [[Thomas Jane]] as Frank Castle used two in ''[[The Punisher (2004)|The Punisher]]'' (the first one is a long barreled hunting version and is most likely as Savage/Stevens 311H Model Shotgun. The second one is a sawed off shotgun of undetermined make and model).

* [[Roger Moore]] as James Bond and [[Michael Lonsdale]] as Hugo Drax in ''[[Moonraker]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Identity (2002)]]'' (in the farm's scene)

* [[Brendan Fraser]] as Rick O'Connel in ''[[The Mummy Returns]]''

* Used as a booby trap in ''[[The Way of the Gun]]'' (IGA Coach Gun - 12ga)

* [[Judd Hirsch]] as Julius Levinson in ''[[Independence Day]]''

* [[Magda Szubanski]] as Brozzie Drewitt in ''[[The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course]]''

* Town Sheriff at bar fight in ''[[Shanghai Noon]]''

* [[Daniel Day-Lewis]] as Daniel Plainview in ''[[There Will Be Blood]]''

* [[Richard Griffiths]] as Vernon Dursley in ''[[Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone]]''

* [[Billy Burke]] as Charlie Swan in ''[[Twilight]]''

* [[Steve Lemme]] as Jimmy in ''[[Dukes of Hazzard, The (2005)|The Dukes of Hazzard (2005)]]''

* ''[[Lady Gangster]]'' (1942)

* Prison Guard in ''[[Each Dawn I Die]]'' (1939)

* [[Eileen Brennan]] as The Cat Lady in ''[[Jeepers Creepers]]''

=== Television ===

* ''[[Survivors]]''

* [[Jorge Cervera Jr.]] as Bandito in ''[[Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' (episode: "A Fistful of Datas")

* ''[[Reilly: Ace of Spies]]'' (1984)

===Animation===

* ''[[Atlantis, The Lost Empire]]''

* ''[[The Rescuers]]''

* ''[[Family Guy]]''

=== Video Games ===
* ''[[Timesplitters]]''

* ''[[Timesplitters: Future Perfect]]''

* ''[[Evil Dead: a Fistful of Boomstick]]''

* ''[[Evil Dead: Regeneration]]''

* ''[[Max Payne]]''

* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]''

* ''[[Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth]]''

* ''[[Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood]]''

* ''[[Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven]]''

* ''[[The Godfather (VG)]]''

* ''[[Serious Sam]]'' and ''Serious Sam: The Second Encounter'' (As "double-barrel coach gun")

 

==Short barreled Side by Side Shotgun (Sawed Off)==
[[Image:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Remington Spartan Sawed Off shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SBS-Shotgun ManOnFire.jpg|thumb|right|400px|This is the screen used Zabala short barreled shotgun used by [[Denzel Washington]] in the film ''[[Man on Fire]]'', very similar to Tony's lupara on ''The Sopranos''.]]
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Baikal - 12 gauge.]]
Though grammatically it is more correct to say "Sawn off", the standard vernacular is "Sawed Off shotgun". This section if for any short barreled shotgun that has been modified by sawing off the barrels to a short length (either by user or factory) and has a factory pistol grip or a sawed off buttstock.

'''''This section is for all sawed off Side by Side shotguns'''''

=== Film ===
* [[Mel Gibson]] in the ''[[Mad Max]]'' series of movies (Usually Sawn Off)

* [[Sergei Bodrov]] as Danila Bagrov in [[Brother (Brat)#12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun (fullsize, later sawed-off.)|Brother (Brat)]] (Sawn Off)

* [[Tom Bell]] as Jack "The Hat" McVitie in ''[[The Krays]]'' (Sawn Off)

* [[Geno Silva]] as The Skull in ''[[Scarface]]'' (Zabala Hermanos S.A. Shotgun)

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Jack Mosley in ''[[16 Blocks]]''

* [[Dennis Dun]] as Wang Chi in ''[[Big Trouble in Little China]]''

* [[Denzel Washington]] as Creasy in ''[[Man on Fire]]'' (2004) (Sawn off)

* Hang on wall in hidden panel in ''[[Wild Wild West]]'' (1999) (See [[Rossi Overland#Film|Rossi Overland shotgun]])

* [[Antonio Banderas]] as El Mariachi in ''[[Desperado]]'' (1995) (See [[Rossi Overland#Film|Rossi Overland shotgun]])

* [[Richard Grieco]] as Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel in ''[[Mobsters]]'' (1991) (See [[Rossi Overland#Film|Rossi Overland shotgun]])

* [[Sean Connery]] as Jim Malone in ''[[The Untouchables (1987)|The Untouchables]]'' (1987) (See [[Rossi Overland#Film|Rossi Overland shotgun]])

=== Television ===
* ''[[CSI: NY]]'' (with and without sawed-off barrels and stock)

* Many characters on ''[[Deadwood]]'' (See [[Rossi Overland#Film|Rossi Overland shotgun]])

* [[James Gandolfini]] as Tony Soprano in ''[[The Sopranos]]'' (Zapala)

* [[Jensen Ackles]] as Dean Winchester in ''[[Supernatural]]'' (Baikal)

* [[Jared Padalecki]] as Sam Winchester in ''[[Supernatural]]'' (Baikal)

=== Video Games ===
* ''[[Timesplitters 2]]'' (with sawed-off barrels and stock)

* ''[[Americas 10 Most Wanted]]'' (with sawed-off barrels and stock)

* ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]]'' (with sawed-off barrels and stock)

* ''[[Doom series]]'' (Sawn-off, as "double barrel shotgun" or "super shotgun")

* ''[[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]]'' (Sawed-Off)

* ''[[Combat Arms]]'' (with sawed-off barrels and stock)

* ''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]'' (sawed-off)

* ''[[Far Cry 2]]'' (sawed-off rabbit-ear)

* ''[[Dark Sector]]'' (Sawed-off rabbit-ear, as "Spectre")

==Over and Under Shotgun (O/U)==
[[Image:Browning 0-U.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Browning O/U 12 gauge.]]
With two barrels stacked on top of one another the O/U proved to be more accurate and effective at shooting airborne clay targets and bird hunting than a side-by-side.

===Film===
* [[Dolph Lundgren]] as Nick Cherenko in ''[[The Mechanik]]'' (Full-Size Hunting Baikal)

* [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as John Kruger in ''[[Eraser]]'' (Sawed-off)

* [[Chuck Norris]] as Cliff Garret/Danny Grogan in "[[The Hitman]]" (Sawed off)

* Gyro Captain's Son in ''[[Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome]]''

* [[Anne Archer]] as Cathy Ryan in ''[[Patriot Games]]''

* Club Fever Bodyguard in ''[[Collateral]]'' (Sawn-off)

* Used by a slaver in the film ''[[Doomsday]]'' (Sawn-off).

* [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as Octcopuss in ''[[The Spirit]]'' (Sawed-off).

===Television===

* [[Dennis Haysbert]] as Sgt. Major Jonas Blane in ''[[The Unit]]'' (Stevens 512 Gold Wing O/U Shotgun)

* A sawed-off Overs and Under shotgun is often featured in episodes of the Adult Swim show ''[[Aqua Teen Hunger Force]]''

===Anime===

===Videogame===

* ''[[Condemned: Criminal Origins]]'' (sawed off version with shorter barrels and an unusually short buttstock)

* ''[[Call of Duty: World at War]]'' (Sawed off and Grip attatchments available as upgrades)

* ''[[Operation Flashpoint]]'' (Referred to in-game as the 'Kozlice', is actually a TOZ-34 and was added in the third official patch)

* ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]]'' and ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky'' (TOZ-34, the weapon is in the original game's files but inaccessible, but available in the stand-alone expansion)

* ''[[Resident Evil 0]]'' as the Hunting Gun

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[[Category:Shotgun]]

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-11-15T03:43:07Z

Jake zergling: /* Winchester 1200 */

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-11-14T02:31:32Z

Jake zergling: /* Barrett M82 */

Tremors (1990)

2009-09-09T16:07:58Z

Jake zergling: /* H&K HK91 */

''' The following firearms were featured in the 1990 film, Tremors: '''

[[Image:Tremorsposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]

== William Moore & Co. 8 gauge shotgun ==

Burt Gummer's ([[Michael Gross]]) "Elephant Gun" is a Belgian-made William Moore & Co. 8-gauge shotgun firing solid slugs. It is used to finish off the Graboid that busts into Burt's rec room. Shotgun was provided by Ellis Mercantile for the Tremors Movie. When it was thrown from the truck to the rock in was dropped and the stock shattered at the wrist due to the 12.5 pounds that the shotgun weighs.

[[Image:Tremor8ga.jpg|thumb|none|350px|William Moore 8ga. Shotgun used in Tremors]]
[[Image:TremorEgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:TremorEgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:TremorEgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== [[Heckler & Koch G3|H&K HK91]] ==

This rifle can be seen in the rec room scene, Burt ([[Michael Gross]]) opens fire on the Graboid to no avail with a barrage of bullets from the HK rifle.

[[Image:HK_Model_91.jpg‎ |thumb|400px|none|HK91 Rifle with Standard Stock - 7.62 NATO]]
[[Image:Tremor91.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Tremor91a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== AR-15 variant==

Heather ([[Reba McEntire]]) fires a couple of magazines out of these guns at the attacking Graboid that broke into the rec room. She actually shouted for a magazine instead of clip like most bad script would write. When abandoning his home, Burt pauses to ask Heather whether he should take the Elephant gun or an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifle]], Heather advising him to take the Elephant gun since it would have "better penetration" than the smaller-caliber M16A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M16A2 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Tremors 06MO.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heather ([[Reba McEntire]]) fires her AR-15 in the rec room scene, though in reality shooting any type of gun in that small of space would be deafening and even more so to the graboid since they claim it was highly sensitive to sound.]]
[[Image:TremorM16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Winchester Model 1300 ==

[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Defender.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Winchester M1300 with extended tube & rubber Butt pad]]
Burt ([[Michael Gross]]) uses this shotgun to fire multiple shots at the Graboid in the rec room and then uses it to break the glass on the case containing the elephant gun.

[[Image:Tremorwinm1300.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
:I was watching this movie on TV at 7:00 this morning and it's a Remington 870. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Winchester 1300 Defender ==

Heather ([[Reba McEntire]]) uses this pistol gripped shotgun to shoot off the tentacle of the Graboid attacking Burt in the rec room.

[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Winchester M1300 Defender with extended tube and pistol grip]]

[[Image:TremorWin1200def.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Winchester Model 94 ==

This 30-30 caliber lever-action rifle is found on Edgar's ([[Sunshine Parker]]) body who had died of dehydration on a tower. Val ([[Kevin Bacon]]) later uses it in the first encounter with the Graboids but ditches it when they're being chased.

[[Image:TremorM94.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:TremorM94a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
:^ I don't know if this is supposed to be the same gun in the film, but this is a Winchester 1892, the lever design is different from a 94. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Winchester Model 70 ==

Heather ([[Reba McEntire]]) has one of these rifles chambered in .375 H&H Mag in her possession and passes it off to Earl ([[Fred Ward]]) when he and Val are about to ride off to Bixby by horseback, he loses it however when his horse is attacked.

[[Image:TremorM70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Browning A-Bolt ==

Heather ([[Reba McEntire]]) has this rifle chambered in .458 Win Mag in her possession at the start of the rec room seen and uses it to fire multiple rounds at the attacking Graboid, she carries it again later as they escape to the mountains and fires a few rounds at some Graboid dirtmounds.
:It's actually a Winchester Model 70 in .458, similair to [[Dirty Harry]]'s gun. It doesn't look like an A-Bolt. She even says in the film it's a .458 and Burt should bring it due to its better penetration and less ammo to carry. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
[[Image:Tremors 04.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heather Gummer ([[Reba McEntire]]) with Browning A-Bolt in rec room scene.]]

[[Image:TremorsAbolt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:TremorsAbolt2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== [[Micro Uzi]] ==

This gun can be seen near the finale, when Val ([[Kevin Bacon]]) fires it over the side of the trailer at a Graboid under the dirt. It could be just a semi auto pistol verison.

[[Image:MicroUziPistol.jpg|thumb|none|275px|Micro Uzi with 15 rd magazine - 9mm]]

[[Image:TremorsUZI.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Colt Model 1873 Single-Action Army ==

Earl ([[Fred Ward]]) pulls this revolver from the glove compartment of the truck upon discovering the two road crew workers dead. It is later seen again in his possession when He and Val are about to ride off to Bixby.

== Smith & Wesson Model 19 ==

Earl ([[Fred Ward]]) has this revolver in his possession near the end of the film and fires multiple shots over the side of the old semi trailer as the Graboids attack.

[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Combat Magnum - .357 magnum]]

[[Image:TremorsM19.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Ruger Redhawk ==

Burt ([[Michael Gross]]) hands this revolver off to Melvin ([[Robert Jayne]]) to get him motivated to run to the rocks. Melvin is mad once he finds out the revolver is unloaded when he attempts to fire it at the approaching Graboid dirt mounds.

[[Image:Rugrh44.gif|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Redhawk .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:Tremors14.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Burt ([[Michael Gross]]) hands Melvin ([[Robert Jayne]]) an empty [[Ruger Redhawk]] to motivate him to run to the rocks.]]

== Magnum Research Inc. Mark I Desert Eagle ==

Burt ([[Michael Gross]]) wears this in a hip holster finished in Brushed Chrome for the remainder of the movie after the Graboid broke into his rec room in which it can also be seen on the gun wall in that scene and at one point Burt fires a few shots into the air from it from the rock in an attempt to distract a Graboid from the others. One was also see on the wall of the rec room.

[[Image:TremorsDE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Wall of guns ==

Wouldn't you love to have this wall? Burt and Heather are survivalists who live in Perfection because in the event of World War III, it is geographically isolated and far from any blast zone. They maintain a full arsenal of guns to defend themselves when the Ruskies drop the big one and society collapses. While communicating over a wireless radio with Val back in the main town, a Graboid bursts through the wall of the basement room Burt and Heather are in, causing Val and the rest to assume that they have been killed. However, they then start hearing rapid-fire gunshots echoing across the valley from Burt's compound, and the camera snaps back to the basement room to reveal that its actually Burt and Heather's armory. What follows is an an orgy of gunfire as Burt and Heather frantically rip different guns off their racks and unload them into the Graboid and its mouthed tentacles. Given that a "Graboid" is basically an underground burrowing reptile the size of a rhino, they're able to keep its tentacles at bay but it takes time to cause it significant damage. Burt finally finishes it off with his "Elephant gun" (an 8 gauge shotgun). Keep in mind that this much gunfire in an enclosed space would assuredly be deafening, however in a small nod to realism Burt at least tells Heather to cover her hears when he fires the "Elephant gun".

[[Image:TremorsWOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:TremorsWOG2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Steyr-Mannlicher SSG-PII Rifle ==

[[Image:TremorUrifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-09-04T17:17:13Z

Jake zergling: /* Akimbo */

Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin

==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009

[[Image:Rem870mcs_14.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says
CALL OF DUTY
MODERN WARFARE 2
so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin

Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.

==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin

::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster

== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

:wheres the proof?
::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon.
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster

Since IW seem to be going along the "fun" route while still sticking to a semi-realism point of view, it's probably safe to assume this was added as a "fun gun". It's likely with the recent videos of the "Flag Runner" and the addition of throwing knives there adding weapons that no serious soldier would use in direct combat but would be awesome to use a video game multiplayer match. It's possible they added it as a reference to Terminator 2, I wonder if they'll add the M79 and a portable minigun... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:11, 02 September 2009 (UTC)
:There should be two reload animations. The first one you reload normally but in the second one you reload like the T-600, With one goddamm hand.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Glock ==
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.]]
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]

*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM -- Mythekal

:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== H&K USP .45 ==
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.

*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.
****
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
[[Image:USP_with_knife.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Akimbo ==

*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.

This is one of the websites with this article:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

== Leaked Video ==

Found this video while searching the net on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA

At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.

:Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Continuity Error(??) ==

Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.

Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== New mw video ==

Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g

Damn, the MP5K Looks SWEET! And throwing knives? kick-ass!!! man as soon as this is released im disowning my copy of COD4.

== Double Barrel Shotty ==

According to the guys over at the COD Wiki, the Double barrel shotgun will make a return, has anyone else seen this?

* It's possible with the inclusion of other "fun" weapons like the Winchester M1887 and Throwing knives, but I'm not going to get my hopes up about it... [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:18, 02 September 2009 (UTC)

:Try not to include wiki as a source unless there's pics of the actual shotgun ingame. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

::The OXM stated that (Official Xbox Magazine). The DB shotgun will have separate trigger for each barrel.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-09-02T00:52:57Z

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Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin

==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009

[[Image:Rem870mcs_14.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says
CALL OF DUTY
MODERN WARFARE 2
so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin

Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.

==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin

::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster

== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

:wheres the proof?
::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon.
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster

== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Glock ==
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.]]
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]

*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM -- Mythekal

:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== H&K USP .45 ==
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.

*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.
****
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
[[Image:USP_with_knife.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Akimbo ==

*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.

This is one of the websites with this article:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

I say pics or it didn't happen.

== Leaked Video ==

Found this video while searching the net on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA

At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.

:Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::That does surely say FAL with Shotgun, as it matches the shape of the other FAL seen in a trailer, sweet! [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Continuity Error(??) ==

Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.

Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== New mw video ==

Gentlemen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-09-01T02:05:06Z

Jake zergling: /* Behold, a really, really silly bundle: */

Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin

==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009

[[Image:Rem870mcs_14.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says
CALL OF DUTY
MODERN WARFARE 2
so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin

Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.

==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin

::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster

== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

NVG's that max out to 50 feet, failll

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

:wheres the proof?
::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon.
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster

== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Glock ==
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.]]
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]

*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM -- Mythekal

:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== H&K USP .45 ==
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.

*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.
****
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
[[Image:USP_with_knife.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Akimbo ==

*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.

This is one of the websites with this article:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

I say pics or it didn't happen.

== Leaked Video ==

Found this video while searching the net on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA

At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.

:Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Continuity Error(??) ==

Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.

Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

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Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Could be a variant of the KTR-03S - an AK custom build [http://www.krebscustom.com/RawPhotos/6-28-04/KTR-03SFinal.jpg]. - MCain (UTC)
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well the M240B has been added just look at the new multiplayer trailer. IGN rewind theater confirms it too. could someone add it on the main article? -Mandaloin

==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

* If they added compensators to the attachments for handguns would be cool. It sucks that there's only one attachment for pistols in MW1, and the D-Eagle hasnt got anything that can be put on it, and that sucks even more. Maybe different calibers for the D-Eagles could be used too, but that might be going too far. And I hope theres an SG552 in there aswell, I love that gun so much. And if they added firing selection to the game, you could switch the SPAS from pump to semi auto, which would also be cool, and a touch more realistic.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:Watching over the video again on youtube and moderwarfare2.com, the weapon does look like a Winchester 1200 at first glance, yet I'm also convinced it may be a Remington 870 MCS, either in the Entry configuration or the Patrol Configuration due to the length of the barrel or it maybe the combination of the two, due to the length of the barrel with an added entry front sight. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 22:15, 11 August 2009

[[Image:Rem870mcs_14.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

I just saw a new official cover art for the game. It says
CALL OF DUTY
MODERN WARFARE 2
so i think we should call it call of duty modern warfare 2 -Mandaloin

Thats just the boxart. Officially by the gamedevs its only called Modern warefare 2. They just slapped "call of duty" on there because a lot of people are stupid enough not to realise this IS a sequel to Call of Duty 4: modern warefare [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, but apparently Soap has a glorious Mohawk. And Price could be a good Zombie.

==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Wow... that site has the MP5 listed as being 40. S&W [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

I saw a picture of it yesterday and i cant remember where. and i think it was a russian behind a shield, but im not sure if i remember that correctly. but the MP7 is definitely here -Mandaloin

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

:As far as the Kriss goes they sure as hell have never fired it (which disappoints me that they put all these exotic weapons in that they really havent touched... in COD4 they actually fired most of the weapons and that gave it a level of authenticity) so i dont think they'll pay attention to the fact that it takes most of the recoil for you. when you fire it youll probably be shooting all over the place with heavy recoil -Mandaloin

::Well looky here, an icon for picking up a "FAL Red Dot sight" In the Multiplayer trailer. There is a god, because the FN FAL has finally made it into an awesome game![[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 05:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The Kriss does seem to have a comparably short barrel to the UMP. IW could lower the damage due to the lower velocity? not sure what barrel length is ideal for .45ACP but I just thought that could be used as a reason to balance? that and the Kriss only uses the .45 Glock pistol mags correct? so maybe your attachment is an extended mag to help compete? -FuriousOyster

== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

:wheres the proof?
::As of now, nothing can be added to the main article since there are no sources or evidence that provide the actual facts. Do you happen to have a link of the official statement? And again, guys, please sign your edits. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

:I think it would be peculiar to have the old lever shotgun in MW2, but definitely a cool choice of gun. It may not be the fastest or most powerful, but it has nostalgia and cool to it. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It could be like the Stg-44 from COD4, a retro weapon.
It was called MP44 in Cod4 not Stg-44 that was in W@W just trying to help. -FuriousOyste
: The MP44/StG-44 was only in CoD4 as a nod to the other games in the franchise which are all set during WW2. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 21:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe you can unlock Price's mustache as a nod to his awesomely awesome mustache from MW1? =D -FuriousOyster

== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
::Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::What Jake means, is that to hold all disputes, comments, and debates on the discussion (talk) page, instead of the article itself. The page you are looking at is the talk page and you should type any comments on this page. If you look at the top, there are seven tabs (varies on your status and monobook of the wiki), but for more users, it says, "page, discussion, edit, +, history, move, & watch". Make sure the "discussion" tab is pressed before you make your edit. Typing in the tab that says "page" makes the article look unprofessional and a hassle to read. Cheers, --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 21:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll move all the discussion here...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 13:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

== Glock ==
The GameTrailers Analysis states that it is a [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22]], but this is unconfirmed. It could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] since in the video demo shown at the E3 conference, it fires fully automatically.
[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] - 9x19mm. This model has compensator cuts on the slide and barrel to reduce muzzle climb while firing]]
[[Image:MW2Glock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A [[Glock]] fired by "Roach" on a snowmobile in Mission "Cliffhangar". Note olive-drab frame.]]
[[Image:MW2SpOpGlock.jpg|thumb|none|300px|This US special ops has a olive-drab framed Glock in his thigh holster (barely off-shot).]]

*An interesting note is that the Glock fires dramatically slower than a Glock 18 or other converted Glocks. The Glock from the video's rate of fire is only around 600-700 RPM, where as a real Automatic Glock fires around 1100+ RPM -- Mythekal

:The guy COULD just be firing in semi VERY fast so that it seems like it's full auto. A lot of the handguns in COD4 if you tap the trigger in quick successions, it seems almost full auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". Glock 18's did not have this color available. Glock 22's just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a Glock 18 with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

:::Not to disagree with you, I mean, you strike a really good point, but I've seen video game companies butcher their weapons into having colors or functions that they don't even have in the first place. Perhaps this is the case, although highly unlikely. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== H&K USP .45 ==
Shown in a stage demo for GameSpot, Roach wields it with a knife at the same time. There is a similar technique where you do this with a flashlight. If someone would care to name it please do as I forgot for the moment.

*Take your pick from CQC, CQB, Combatives or Defendu. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
** The particular technique shown below with the support arm under the wrist of the main arm indexing the flashlight along the axis of the barrel is called the Harris Method. In this case it's being done with a knife presumably because it looks cool.
*** It's actually done for CQC and not just cause it looks cool. A similar method to this is what Snake does on MGS.But he holds the Knife with the gun by the grips.Perhaps the Harries method is more comfortable than Snake's CQC method,so they made it that way.
****
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
[[Image:USP_with_knife.JPG|thumb|none|400px|]]

== Akimbo ==

*Need some confirmation on this as I cant find any videos or images of this, supposedly the player is now able to Dual wield or go Akimbo with Pistols, particularly twin desert eagles were seen in a demonstration during a show off session to fans.

This is one of the websites with this article:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2009/08/27/modern-warfare-2-has-guns-akimbo/1

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

I say pics or it didn't happen.

== Leaked Video ==

Found this video while searching the net on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuwFT4p5hA

At 1:28 there appears to be a new weapon, it looks like it says "Shotgun" but the video is low qaulity and I'm having a hard time finding out what it is? The icon image looks similar to that of a Saiga shotgun but I'm not sure. From the looks of it, the IMI Mini Uzi will be making a return.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]]

[[Image:Mw2brazilshotgun.png]] I think it says (litterally) "FAL w/ Shotgun"... Shotgun attachment?!--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

MASTERKEY! that would be awesome! on the other hand... COD4 shotguns were pretty pointless. so I doubt an even shorter barreled one would be worth it.

:Yeah, there have been rumors of an under-slung shotgun attachment. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 04:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== Continuity Error(??) ==

Perhaps, in the E3 Gameplay video, the Infinity Ward boyz made a continuity error. If you will, note that Roach is first seen using a USP .45, but later, on the snowmobile, he switches to a Glock 18/22/whatever. Just a thought.

Doubt it. games arn't that sloppy. Its probably given to you when you board the snowmobile because firing a semiautomatic weapon while you are going pretty fast wouldn't help much unless you have a very steady hand. better to have a wide spread than accuracy when you cant predict the enemy that well. [[user:5t3v0|5t3v0]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:39:10Z

Jake zergling:

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Hand grenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class.
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.

On another note sorry for the picture was taken with a cellphone from my big book of guns.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]]
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:19:52Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class.
Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.

On another note sorry for the picture was taken with a cellphone from my big book of guns.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]]
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:19:35Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.
On another note sorry for the picture was taken with a cellphone from my big book of guns.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]]
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:19:25Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.
On another note sorry for the picture was taken with a cellphone from my big book of guns.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 07:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:18:29Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Type 5 Garand copy]].]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:17:45Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.
[[Image:0811090259a.jpg]]

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:11:10Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 Garand copy */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few where made.

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Battlefield: 1943

2009-08-11T07:08:21Z

Jake zergling: /* Type 5 */

== United States Marine Corps ==
=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] is the sidearm of the American Scout class.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|World War 2 issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]

=== M1928 Thompson ===
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] is the standard weapon for the American Infantry Class. It has a 30 round magazine.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 Thompson.]]
:::::The bolt handle is located on the top.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] is the standard weapon for the American Rifleman Class.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

===[[M1903 Springfield]]===
The [[M1903 Springfield]] is the standard weapon for the American Scout Class.

[[Image:Rifle_Springfield_M1903A4_with_M84_sight.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Springfield M1903A4 with M84 Sight.]]

=== M18 Recoilless Rifle ===
The M18 Recoilless Rifle is the secondary weapon for the American Infantry class.

=== [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] ===
The standard hand grenade of the USMC in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.
[[Image:MK2_grenade_DoD.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk2 Handgrenade]]

== Imperial Japanese Navy ==

===[[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]]===
The [[Nambu Type 14 Pistol]] is the sidearm of the Japanese Scout Class.
[[Image:NambuType14Pistol.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|Nambu Type 14 Pistol chambered for 8mm Nambu Pistol Ammunition]]

=== Type 5 Garand copy ===
Standard weapon for the Japanese Rifleman Class.

=== Karabiner 98 ===
Due to budget restraints on EA's part, they could not build the Arisaka and instead gave the Japanese Scout Class [[Karabiner 98k]]'s.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[Karabiner 98k]].]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese Infantry Class
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]

=== Type 97 Hand Grenade ===

The standard hand grenade of the IJN in the game. Usable by the Infantry and Rifleman classes. They both carry 2.

[[Image:Japanese-type97-grenade.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Type 97 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]

Alien: Resurrection

2009-08-10T18:00:25Z

Jake zergling: /* Concealed Carry Double-Barreled shotgun */

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'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Alien: Resurrection'''''
[[Image:AlnResPoster.jpg|350px|thumb|right]]

=Pistols=

==Handgun==
The standard United Systems Military Sidearm. It is famously used by Johner [[Ron Perlman]] in both hands, to dispatch the Alien hanging on Christie's ([[Gary Dourdan]]) leg.

[[Image:Handgun.jpg|200px|thumb|none|The Handgun prop used in the film]]

==Zipgun==
Call's ([[Winona Ryder]]) Zipgun, which she gives to Wren, who shoots her.

[[Image:Zipgun.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Zipgun prop used in the film]]

==Arm-Anchored Pistols==

Christie's ([[Gary Dourdan]]) main handgun in the movie, he keeps two on arm-anchors, similarily to [[Antonio Banderas]]'s character in [[Desperado]]. After the Gym scene, he is only seen with one, with which he threatens Wren with, and tries to kill the Alien hanging on his leg, in his final moments.

[[Image:AlienResSC6.jpg|250px|thumb|none|Christie with his Arm-Anchored Pistols]]

==1911==
When Johner ([[Ron Perlman]]), Christie ([[Gary Dourdan]]), and Call ([[Winona Ryder]]) are watching the Home Shopping network, one of the various objects displayed is some various [[M1911 pistol series|1911 clone]]. It resembles the Colt/Detonics 1911 Hybrid seen in [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day| Terminator 2]].

=Shotguns=

==Concealed Carry Double-Barreled shotgun==
A Shotgun is seen on Vriess' Wheel chair, disassembled. He assembles it when Vriess sees an Alien in the Ceiling. It later Jams after going through the flooded kitchen. It leaves Christie ([[Gary Dourdan]]) to fend for himself against the Alien hanging on his leg.

[[Image:CCDBShotty.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Concealed Carry Shotgun Prop seen in the film.]]
[[Image:AlienResSC5.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Shotgun in the hands of Vriess]]

=Rifles=

==Shockrifle 'Burner'==
The Standard Assault Rifle weapon used by United Systems Military. It's main setting is a Shock setting similar to that of a taser, but without causing physical harm. That setting is used on Ripley 8 ([[Sigourney Weaver]]) when she is strangling Wren. It's backup setting allows it to fire solid slugs. This is the setting seen used by DiStephano right up until the end, Johner ([[Ron Perlman]]). The weapon is also very notably dual-wielded by Elgyn, but he never gets to use it.

[[Image:Shockrifle.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Shockrifle Prop used in the film]]
[[Image:AlienResSC4.jpg|500px|thumb|none|DiStephano with his Shockrifle]]

==Incinerator 'Flamer'==
This is one of the most versatile weapons available to the United Systems Military. It is primarily a Flame thrower unit, but can be used as an Assault Rifle and a Grenade Launcher. The Assault Rifle mode is seen used by Johner ([[Ron Perlman]]) at the end of the film when killing the Alien that had birthed from Purvis through Wren's forehead.

[[Image:Incinerator.jpg‎|500px|thumb|none|The Incinerator Prop seen used in the film]]
[[Image:AlienResSC1.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Christie with the Incinerator]]

=Grenade Launchers=

==Incinerator 'Flamer'==
This is one of the most versatile weapons available to the United Systems Military. It is primarily a Flame thrower unit, but can be used as an Assault Rifle and a Grenade Launcher. The Grenade launcher mode is seen used by Johner ([[Ron Perlman]]) in the Flooded Kitchen, it is fired at one Alien, but it dodges it, only for it to destroy the other one.

[[Image:Incinerator.jpg‎|500px|thumb|none|The Incinerator Prop seen used in the film]]

==Concealed Carry Grenade Launcher==
Another of Vriess' concealed disassembled weapons, it is unknown where he stores it, but he is seen assembling it after the 'What were you expecting, Santa Claus?' line. It is later used by Christie ([[Gary Dourdan]]) to destroy the egg trap set by the Aliens, right after the flood Kitchen.

[[Image:CCDGrenLauncher.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Launcher prop used in the film]]
[[Image:AlienResSC2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Christie firing the Grenade Launcher underwater]]

=Other=

==Incinerator 'Flamer'==
This is one of the most versatile weapons available to the United Systems Military. It is primarily a Flame thrower unit, but can be used as an Assault Rifle and a Grenade Launcher. The Flamethrower mode is seen used by Ripley 8 ([[Sigourney Weaver]]) to destroy the previous seven attempts at recreating the Queen.

[[Image:Incinerator.jpg‎|500px|thumb|none|The Incinerator Prop seen used in the film]]
[[Image:AlienResSC3.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Incinerator in the hand of Ripley 8 ([[Sigourney Weaver]]), when she is destroying the 'failures']]

=='Thermos' Gun==
The 'Thermos Gun' is snuck through security by Johner ([[Ron Perlman]]) with the crass quip 'My own Recipe, way more dangerous'.

[[Image:Thermos_Gun.jpg|500px|thumb|none|The Thermos Gun Prop seen used in the film]]

=Trivia=

When [[Ron Perlman]] was hanging from the ladder with the two handguns mentioned above, he found that he had severely cut up the backs of his legs during the filming of the scene.

Just an aside.Notice in this film,you can see the bullets sometimes,most notably in the ladder scene.Jean-Pierre Jeunet is French,like Luc Besson.Seen the scene in The Transporter when Frank(Jason Statham)gets his house shot up?Visible bullets again.Looks cool,and separates from Hollywood action a bit,methinks

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The Rock

2009-08-10T17:51:07Z

Jake zergling: /* DefTech Launcher */

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''The Rock'':'''
[[Image:TheRockcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Rock (1996)'']]

==M14 Rifle==

A Marine at the funeral during the opening credits can be seen briefly holding an [[M14 Rifle|M14]] rifle.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RockM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine at the funeral with his M14 rifle.]]

==Beretta 92FS==

The Recon Marines carry [[Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] (military designation, M9) pistols as their sidearms. Beretta M9s with tactical flashlight attachments are the standard side arm for all the Navy SEALs, as well as Stanley Goodspeed ([[Nicolas Cage]]), who is issued one. Shortly after the ambush, Goodspeed points his at John Mason ([[Sean Connery]]), who swipes it out of his hand, but later gives it back to Goodspeed to defend himself with, and he uses it notably in the underground tunnels to kill one Marine with little hesitation, as Mason notes.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Hummel's men pulls an M9 on some guards when they first take over the rock.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed points an M9 pistol with a tactical flashlight at Mason.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed reloads his M9.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Darrow aims his M9 at Hummel.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his sidearm. He draws it on Hummel before turning the gun on Darrow and firing at him before being gunned down by the other Marines.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9mm]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter points his Beretta 92FS Inox at Hummel.]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baxter with his Beretta Inox.]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the slide is longer than the Centurian Inox used by Goodspeed.]]

==Beretta 92SB==
One of the Marines is seen using an older [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] (which has a rounded trigger guard, rather than squared, like on the 92FS/M9) with wood grips during the scene in which Hummel and his men use a hostage to draw Goodspeed and Mason out of hiding.
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB 9mm]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9.]]

==Beretta 92FS Centurion Inox==

During the hotel scene Goodspeed is given a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Centurion Inox]] by another FBI agent after he arrives in San Francisco and tells Womack ([[John Spencer]]) that he forgot his FBI-issue sidearm. Strangely, all of the other FBI agents in the movie also seem to be carrying 92 Centurions with Inox finishes, even though this pistol has never been issued to the FBI in real life (at the time the movie was made, the FBI would have been using SIG-Sauer and Smith & Wesson pistols).

[[Image:Beretta92Centurion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Centurion 9mm]]
[[Image:Rock92FSINOX-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed aims his 92FS Centurion Inox at Mason when he throws Director Womack off the building, held only by a rope.]]
[[Image:Rock92FSINOX-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed chases after Mason armed with the Centurion.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4506==
While waiting for Hummel to fire one of his VX gas missiles, a Marine is seen with his [[Smith & Wesson 4506]], spinning it on a rotating table.

[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 4506 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine rotates the table with his S&W 4506 on it.]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the lack of double stack bulges and 5" slide, indicating it is a 4506.]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note .45 caliber muzzle diameter.]]

==M16A2==
Marines at the funeral use real [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles for the 3 volley salute.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M16A2 5.56mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Marines ready their M16A2s for the 3 volley salute.]]
[[Image:RockM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine cycles a round into his M16A2. Note the bullet deflector and rounded forward assist.]]

==M16A1 (w/ M16A2 handguards)==

Many of the Marines under General Hummel's ([[Ed Harris]]) command are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] handguards. They are easily noticed as A1 models by the lack of a brass deflector and elevation-adjustable rear sight, older forward assists, and fully-automatic firing modes. Most of them have tactical flashlights installed on the barrels.

[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]), standing next to Hummel, aims his M16A1 at the Navy SEALS.]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp ([[Bokeem Woodbine]]) armed with an M16A1. Don't be fooled by the handguards into thinking that this is an M16A2; note the lack of a brass deflector, lack of an A2-style rear sight, and the older style forward assist.]]

== (Fake) Colt XM177 ==

[[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt XM177 Commando]] look-a-like rifles seen being used by many of the Marines. Mason and Goodspeed take two for themselves later in the film. The XM177s in the film all have 10" barrels and bulky older-style flash suppressors, but also have various receiver styles. Some have A1 receivers, others have A2 receivers, and others have the forward assist and brass deflector but not the A2-style rear sight. What this means is that none of them are factory XM177 variants. Like most of the "XM177s" seen in Hollywood, the upper receivers of the guns in this movie are most likely taken from civilian AR-15 carbine variants that have had their barrels chopped and fake XM177-style flash hiders welded on. The lower receivers (all of which seem to lack "fencing" of more modern M16 variants) may either be from genuine XM177s, or they may again be civilian AR15 Sporter-1 lowers converted to auto. Yet another example of movie "Franken-guns" built from the parts of many weapons.

A notable goof is that the receivers of the guns held by individual characters change throughout the film. For instance, the XM177 handed to Goodspeed by Mason clearly has an A2 receiver when he first gets it, but later, it has an A1 receiver. Captain Frye's ([[Gregory Sporleder]]'s) XM177 also undergoes various receiver changes - in the shower room scene, it has an A2-style receiver, while in later scenes it has a forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight, and still later it has just the forward assist (A1-style receiver).

[[Image:XM177E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt XM177E1 with 10" barrel - 5.56mm. This appears to be fitted with an E2 flash hider though, that's wrong.]]
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Commercial CAR-15 semiautomatic rifle - 5.56mm. This is strictly a semiautomatic civilian copy of the XM177 style of rifles. The flash hider is a smaller diameter copy of the XM177 and has no sound suppression qualities and is permanently welded onto the barrel to make it legal length for over the counter gun store sales.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When going over Hummel's military file, he is seen armed with a Colt XM177 in Vietnam.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]) with a Colt XM177.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine aims his Colt XM177 at Goodspeed. The large muzzle break is pretty obvious in this shot.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason gives Goodspeed the Colt XM177 after killing the Marine aiming it at him. This rifle has an M16A2-style upper receiver, though the lower receiver lacks the fencing on the magazine release, and may have been taken from a civilian AR15 variant. Strangely, the forward assist button is also M16A1-style.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed's Colt XM177 switches to an A1-style upper reciever in this scene.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason firing an Colt XM177.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Frye returns fire on Mason. Note that the receiver of his gun has an A1-style rear sight, but it does have the brass deflector. The lower is also missing the fencing near the magazine release, so this again might be a civilian AR15 lower or a very early GAU-5/A lower.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Frye fires his Colt XM177 at Goodspeed, which now lacks a shell deflector.]]

==Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launcher==

Many of the Marines have [[M16]] variant rifles fitted [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]] underslung, standing in for [[M203 grenade launcher]]s, which are considered destructive devices and are more expensive to buy.
[[Image:M16A1wNewCM203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 5.56mm with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher| Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-CM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp with a CAR-15 Colt Commando fitted with a CM203 flare launcher.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp fires an M16A1 fitted with a CM203 at the Navy SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine fires his M16A1 fitted with a CM203 at the SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-CM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Darrow drops his rifle, which switches from the M16 (SP1) fitted with an M203 launcher to a CAR-15, which is fitted with a CM203.]]

==M203 Grenade Launcher==
While CM203 flare launchers dominate the film, Cpt. Darrow's rifle is fitted with a real [[M203 grenade launcher]], likely because he is a main character. Throughout the film, the rifle this launcher is fitted to changes from a slab-side [[M16#M16 Rifle|M16 (SP1)]], to an [[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]], and at one point, even a [[M16#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt CAR-15 Commando]], although it is fitted with a CM203 launcher instead.
[[Image:M16-SP1-withM203launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16 (SP1) with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56mm/40mm]]
[[Image:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 fitted with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56mm/40mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Darrow aims his M16 (SP1) fitted with a M203 at the Navy SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Darrow with an M16 (SP1) fitted with an M203 grenade launcher in the lighthouse.]]

==MAC-10==

Hummel can be seen holding a [[MAC-10]] in a Vietnam service picture. This image is actually taken from one of [[Ed Harris]]' earlier film roles, the [[Charles Bronson]] vehicle ''[[Borderline]]''.

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingram MAC-10 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RockMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel in Vietnam with a MAC-10.]]

== Colt M1911A1 ==

The main villain of the film, General Frank Hummel ([[Ed Harris]]) carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] as his sidearm of choice throughout the film. It is seen being pulled out by Hummel, who then shoots Sergeant Crisp during the confrontation.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel holds his Colt M1911A1 to Mason.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel aims his Colt M1911A1 at Maj. Baxter when he refuses to hang up the phone.]]
[[Image:RockColt1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel draws his M1911A1 from his back after hiding it there instead of his holster, aware his men would betray him an likely dissarm him.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]
[[Image:RockColt1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the muzzle of the M1911A1. Note how the threading that allows the blank plug to be screwed in is visible.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel shoots Crisp. Two goofs are present. The gun is clearly a harmless flashpaper gun as nothing cycles, and the squib is a bit too much to the right.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3/A5 ==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with an SEF trigger group is used by SEAL Commander Anderson ([[Michael Biehn]]). A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] is also seen in the hands of one of the Navy SEALs. Mason commandeers one from a dead SEAL and uses it for about 1/3 of the film until he heads off to confront Hummel and stop him from killing the civilian.
(in an interesting note, the SEALs use Chalker Slings for their weapons, designed by Denny Chalker, plank-holder in SEAL Team SIX. Chalker also appears in the film as one of the SEALs (Boyer). Another of his teammates, Harry Humphries, is the Navy Admiral who asks to bring in the SEAL leader after the initial ransom call)

[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler and Koch MP5A5 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SEAL Commander Anderson ([[Michael Biehn]]) with his MP5A3.]]
[[Image:Rock-MP5A5-1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL loads up his MP5 near Goodspeed. Note the trigger group (circled in red) has 4 positions, which makes the gun an MP5A5 - the A5 referring to a combination of collapsible stock and 4-position lower receiver).]]

A handful of the MP5s used by the SEALs also appear to be chopped and converted 16" barrel civilian semi-auto [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s with the barrels chopped down and converted to full auto. These lack barrel lugs and paddle magazine releases, as well as no push pin lower reciever and a right handed only selector switch with the old 0-1-2 switch.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMp5-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL fires his chopped and converted HK94 at the Marines.]]
[[Image:RockMp5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Shepard ([[Danny Nucci]]) about to go up and get shot with his HK94.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] is used by at least one of the SEALs.

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL reloads his MP5K-PDW in the shower room shoot-out.]]

==Remington 870==

A SEAL can be seen using a shortened tactical [[Remington 870]] shotgun.

[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 12-gauge]]
[[Image:RockRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL aims his Remington 870 at the Marines above.]]
[[Image:RockRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL falls dead with his Remington 870 in hand.]]

==Heckler & Koch SP89==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch SP89|Heckler & Koch SP89]] by one of the SEALs during the failed attempt to save the hostages. It seems to be fitted with the folding stock of MP5K-PDW, and was evidently converted to full-auto.
[[Image:H&KSP89.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch SP89 Pistol with factory 15rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:RockSP-89.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL with an H&K SP89 tries to climb up to shoot at the Marines, before being gunned down.]]
[[Image:RockSP89stock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL fires his H&K SP89.]]

==DefTech Launcher==

What appears to be a [[DefTech 37mm launcher]] is used by Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) in the shower room, firing shotgun like rounds at the SEALs. They could also be Hornet's nest rounds, which is a grenade round with 8 .22 long rifle bullets inside.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech 37mm launcher]]
[[Image:RockGL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) with a DefTech 37mm.]]
[[Image:RockDefenseTechGL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy fires his DefTech at the SEALs.]]

==M26 Handgrenade==

Cpt. Frye ([[Gregory Sporleder]]) can be seen with two [[M26 hand grenade]]s which he throws at Mason ([[Sean Connery]]) in an attempt to kill him. Mason jumps into a bathtub to avoid the blasts.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:RockM26HG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frye pops off the primer handles of his M26 grenades.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
A Marine in the morgue tries to pull the pin on an [[M18 Smoke Grenade]] to throw at Mason as a last ditch effort in killing him before Mason shoots out an air vent above him which crushes his head. In reality, a smoke grenade doesn't pose a threat for obvious reasons.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M18 smoke grenade.]]
[[Image:RockM18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine tries to pull the pin on an M18 smoke grenade before being killed by Mason.]]

==M60E3==

Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) can be seen firing an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine gun]] at Goodspeed when he disables the last rocket. Mason picks it up and knocks the shooter off the roof with it.

[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E3 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel of the M60E3 before it fades to Goodspeed across the roof.]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The muzzle of the M60E3 firing.]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy prepares to drop the empty M60E3.]]

==LAR Grizzly Big-Bore==

When Private McCoy's M60E3 is empty, he picks up a .50 BMG [[LAR Grizzly Big-Bore]] bolt-action rifle to shoot Goodspeed. He is knocked off the roof by Mason before he can use it, though.

[[Image:LAR Grizzly.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LAR Grizzly Big-Bore .50 BMG]]
[[Image:RockBarettM99-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy switches the safety off his LAR Grizzly.]]
[[Image:RockBarettM99-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy prepares to fire the Grizzly before being killed by Mason. It is a good thing he didn't fire the gun; without the muzzle break, it would have hurt like hell.]]

=="The Protector"==

When Goodspeed is messing around in his office, he shoots a flip down target with a suction dart spring gun labeled "The Protector". It appears to be based off a Mossberg 500 "Cruiser" with barrel ribbing.

[[Image:RockTheProtector.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed with "The Protector''. Is this the most pointless gun ever posted on the site? Probably.]]

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The Rock

2009-08-10T17:50:46Z

Jake zergling: /* DefTech Launcher */

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''The Rock'':'''
[[Image:TheRockcover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Rock (1996)'']]

==M14 Rifle==

A Marine at the funeral during the opening credits can be seen briefly holding an [[M14 Rifle|M14]] rifle.

[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RockM14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine at the funeral with his M14 rifle.]]

==Beretta 92FS==

The Recon Marines carry [[Beretta 92FS|Beretta 92FS]] (military designation, M9) pistols as their sidearms. Beretta M9s with tactical flashlight attachments are the standard side arm for all the Navy SEALs, as well as Stanley Goodspeed ([[Nicolas Cage]]), who is issued one. Shortly after the ambush, Goodspeed points his at John Mason ([[Sean Connery]]), who swipes it out of his hand, but later gives it back to Goodspeed to defend himself with, and he uses it notably in the underground tunnels to kill one Marine with little hesitation, as Mason notes.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Hummel's men pulls an M9 on some guards when they first take over the rock.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed points an M9 pistol with a tactical flashlight at Mason.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed reloads his M9.]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Darrow aims his M9 at Hummel.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]) uses a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] as his sidearm. He draws it on Hummel before turning the gun on Darrow and firing at him before being gunned down by the other Marines.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9mm]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter points his Beretta 92FS Inox at Hummel.]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Baxter with his Beretta Inox.]]
[[Image:RockBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the slide is longer than the Centurian Inox used by Goodspeed.]]

==Beretta 92SB==
One of the Marines is seen using an older [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92SB|Beretta 92SB]] (which has a rounded trigger guard, rather than squared, like on the 92FS/M9) with wood grips during the scene in which Hummel and his men use a hostage to draw Goodspeed and Mason out of hiding.
[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB 9mm]]
[[Image:Rock92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine holds his 92SB at Larry Henderson's head. You can see it has wooden grips but also a rounded trigger guard, unlike the 92FS/M9.]]

==Beretta 92FS Centurion Inox==

During the hotel scene Goodspeed is given a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Centurion Inox]] by another FBI agent after he arrives in San Francisco and tells Womack ([[John Spencer]]) that he forgot his FBI-issue sidearm. Strangely, all of the other FBI agents in the movie also seem to be carrying 92 Centurions with Inox finishes, even though this pistol has never been issued to the FBI in real life (at the time the movie was made, the FBI would have been using SIG-Sauer and Smith & Wesson pistols).

[[Image:Beretta92Centurion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Centurion 9mm]]
[[Image:Rock92FSINOX-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed aims his 92FS Centurion Inox at Mason when he throws Director Womack off the building, held only by a rope.]]
[[Image:Rock92FSINOX-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed chases after Mason armed with the Centurion.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4506==
While waiting for Hummel to fire one of his VX gas missiles, a Marine is seen with his [[Smith & Wesson 4506]], spinning it on a rotating table.

[[Image:S&W4506.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 4506 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine rotates the table with his S&W 4506 on it.]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the lack of double stack bulges and 5" slide, indicating it is a 4506.]]
[[Image:RockS&W4506-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note .45 caliber muzzle diameter.]]

==M16A2==
Marines at the funeral use real [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] rifles for the 3 volley salute.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M16A2 5.56mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Marines ready their M16A2s for the 3 volley salute.]]
[[Image:RockM16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine cycles a round into his M16A2. Note the bullet deflector and rounded forward assist.]]

==M16A1 (w/ M16A2 handguards)==

Many of the Marines under General Hummel's ([[Ed Harris]]) command are armed with [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] handguards. They are easily noticed as A1 models by the lack of a brass deflector and elevation-adjustable rear sight, older forward assists, and fully-automatic firing modes. Most of them have tactical flashlights installed on the barrels.

[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]), standing next to Hummel, aims his M16A1 at the Navy SEALS.]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp ([[Bokeem Woodbine]]) armed with an M16A1. Don't be fooled by the handguards into thinking that this is an M16A2; note the lack of a brass deflector, lack of an A2-style rear sight, and the older style forward assist.]]

== (Fake) Colt XM177 ==

[[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt XM177 Commando]] look-a-like rifles seen being used by many of the Marines. Mason and Goodspeed take two for themselves later in the film. The XM177s in the film all have 10" barrels and bulky older-style flash suppressors, but also have various receiver styles. Some have A1 receivers, others have A2 receivers, and others have the forward assist and brass deflector but not the A2-style rear sight. What this means is that none of them are factory XM177 variants. Like most of the "XM177s" seen in Hollywood, the upper receivers of the guns in this movie are most likely taken from civilian AR-15 carbine variants that have had their barrels chopped and fake XM177-style flash hiders welded on. The lower receivers (all of which seem to lack "fencing" of more modern M16 variants) may either be from genuine XM177s, or they may again be civilian AR15 Sporter-1 lowers converted to auto. Yet another example of movie "Franken-guns" built from the parts of many weapons.

A notable goof is that the receivers of the guns held by individual characters change throughout the film. For instance, the XM177 handed to Goodspeed by Mason clearly has an A2 receiver when he first gets it, but later, it has an A1 receiver. Captain Frye's ([[Gregory Sporleder]]'s) XM177 also undergoes various receiver changes - in the shower room scene, it has an A2-style receiver, while in later scenes it has a forward assist and brass deflector but no A2-style rear sight, and still later it has just the forward assist (A1-style receiver).

[[Image:XM177E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt XM177E1 with 10" barrel - 5.56mm. This appears to be fitted with an E2 flash hider though, that's wrong.]]
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Commercial CAR-15 semiautomatic rifle - 5.56mm. This is strictly a semiautomatic civilian copy of the XM177 style of rifles. The flash hider is a smaller diameter copy of the XM177 and has no sound suppression qualities and is permanently welded onto the barrel to make it legal length for over the counter gun store sales.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When going over Hummel's military file, he is seen armed with a Colt XM177 in Vietnam.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Baxter ([[David Morse]]) with a Colt XM177.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine aims his Colt XM177 at Goodspeed. The large muzzle break is pretty obvious in this shot.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason gives Goodspeed the Colt XM177 after killing the Marine aiming it at him. This rifle has an M16A2-style upper receiver, though the lower receiver lacks the fencing on the magazine release, and may have been taken from a civilian AR15 variant. Strangely, the forward assist button is also M16A1-style.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed's Colt XM177 switches to an A1-style upper reciever in this scene.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Mason firing an Colt XM177.]]
[[Image:RockColtCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Frye returns fire on Mason. Note that the receiver of his gun has an A1-style rear sight, but it does have the brass deflector. The lower is also missing the fencing near the magazine release, so this again might be a civilian AR15 lower or a very early GAU-5/A lower.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Frye fires his Colt XM177 at Goodspeed, which now lacks a shell deflector.]]

==Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launcher==

Many of the Marines have [[M16]] variant rifles fitted [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launchers]] underslung, standing in for [[M203 grenade launcher]]s, which are considered destructive devices and are more expensive to buy.
[[Image:M16A1wNewCM203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 5.56mm with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher| Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher]] - 37mm]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-CM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp with a CAR-15 Colt Commando fitted with a CM203 flare launcher.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Crisp fires an M16A1 fitted with a CM203 at the Navy SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine fires his M16A1 fitted with a CM203 at the SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockCAR-15-CM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Darrow drops his rifle, which switches from the M16 (SP1) fitted with an M203 launcher to a CAR-15, which is fitted with a CM203.]]

==M203 Grenade Launcher==
While CM203 flare launchers dominate the film, Cpt. Darrow's rifle is fitted with a real [[M203 grenade launcher]], likely because he is a main character. Throughout the film, the rifle this launcher is fitted to changes from a slab-side [[M16#M16 Rifle|M16 (SP1)]], to an [[M16#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]], and at one point, even a [[M16#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt CAR-15 Commando]], although it is fitted with a CM203 launcher instead.
[[Image:M16-SP1-withM203launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16 (SP1) with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56mm/40mm]]
[[Image:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 fitted with M203 grenade launcher - 5.56mm/40mm]]
[[Image:RockM16A1-M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpt. Darrow aims his M16 (SP1) fitted with a M203 at the Navy SEALs.]]
[[Image:RockM16-CM203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Darrow with an M16 (SP1) fitted with an M203 grenade launcher in the lighthouse.]]

==MAC-10==

Hummel can be seen holding a [[MAC-10]] in a Vietnam service picture. This image is actually taken from one of [[Ed Harris]]' earlier film roles, the [[Charles Bronson]] vehicle ''[[Borderline]]''.

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingram MAC-10 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RockMAC-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel in Vietnam with a MAC-10.]]

== Colt M1911A1 ==

The main villain of the film, General Frank Hummel ([[Ed Harris]]) carries a stainless [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911A1]] as his sidearm of choice throughout the film. It is seen being pulled out by Hummel, who then shoots Sergeant Crisp during the confrontation.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel holds his Colt M1911A1 to Mason.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel aims his Colt M1911A1 at Maj. Baxter when he refuses to hang up the phone.]]
[[Image:RockColt1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel draws his M1911A1 from his back after hiding it there instead of his holster, aware his men would betray him an likely dissarm him.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel holds his M1911A1 to Sgt. Crisp.]]
[[Image:RockColt1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the muzzle of the M1911A1. Note how the threading that allows the blank plug to be screwed in is visible.]]
[[Image:RockSpringfield1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hummel shoots Crisp. Two goofs are present. The gun is clearly a harmless flashpaper gun as nothing cycles, and the squib is a bit too much to the right.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5A3/A5 ==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] with an SEF trigger group is used by SEAL Commander Anderson ([[Michael Biehn]]). A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] is also seen in the hands of one of the Navy SEALs. Mason commandeers one from a dead SEAL and uses it for about 1/3 of the film until he heads off to confront Hummel and stop him from killing the civilian.
(in an interesting note, the SEALs use Chalker Slings for their weapons, designed by Denny Chalker, plank-holder in SEAL Team SIX. Chalker also appears in the film as one of the SEALs (Boyer). Another of his teammates, Harry Humphries, is the Navy Admiral who asks to bring in the SEAL leader after the initial ransom call)

[[Image:MP5A3 StockCollapsed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3, 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler and Koch MP5A5 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SEAL Commander Anderson ([[Michael Biehn]]) with his MP5A3.]]
[[Image:Rock-MP5A5-1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL loads up his MP5 near Goodspeed. Note the trigger group (circled in red) has 4 positions, which makes the gun an MP5A5 - the A5 referring to a combination of collapsible stock and 4-position lower receiver).]]

A handful of the MP5s used by the SEALs also appear to be chopped and converted 16" barrel civilian semi-auto [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s with the barrels chopped down and converted to full auto. These lack barrel lugs and paddle magazine releases, as well as no push pin lower reciever and a right handed only selector switch with the old 0-1-2 switch.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMp5-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL fires his chopped and converted HK94 at the Marines.]]
[[Image:RockMp5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Shepard ([[Danny Nucci]]) about to go up and get shot with his HK94.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] is used by at least one of the SEALs.

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW 9mm]]
[[Image:RockMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL reloads his MP5K-PDW in the shower room shoot-out.]]

==Remington 870==

A SEAL can be seen using a shortened tactical [[Remington 870]] shotgun.

[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 12-gauge]]
[[Image:RockRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL aims his Remington 870 at the Marines above.]]
[[Image:RockRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL falls dead with his Remington 870 in hand.]]

==Heckler & Koch SP89==

A [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch SP89|Heckler & Koch SP89]] by one of the SEALs during the failed attempt to save the hostages. It seems to be fitted with the folding stock of MP5K-PDW, and was evidently converted to full-auto.
[[Image:H&KSP89.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch SP89 Pistol with factory 15rd magazine - 9mm]]
[[Image:RockSP-89.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SEAL with an H&K SP89 tries to climb up to shoot at the Marines, before being gunned down.]]
[[Image:RockSP89stock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SEAL fires his H&K SP89.]]

==DefTech Launcher==

What appears to be a [[DefTech 37mm launcher]] is used by Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) in the shower room, firing shotgun like rounds at the SEALs. They could also be Hornet's nest rounds, which is a grenade round with 8 .22 long rifle bullets inside.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech 37mm launcher]]
[[Image:RockGL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) with a DefTech 37mm.]]
[[Image:RockDefenseTechGL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy fires his DefTech at the Marines.]]

==M26 Handgrenade==

Cpt. Frye ([[Gregory Sporleder]]) can be seen with two [[M26 hand grenade]]s which he throws at Mason ([[Sean Connery]]) in an attempt to kill him. Mason jumps into a bathtub to avoid the blasts.

[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 HE fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:RockM26HG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frye pops off the primer handles of his M26 grenades.]]

==M18 Smoke Grenade==
A Marine in the morgue tries to pull the pin on an [[M18 Smoke Grenade]] to throw at Mason as a last ditch effort in killing him before Mason shoots out an air vent above him which crushes his head. In reality, a smoke grenade doesn't pose a threat for obvious reasons.
[[Image:M18red.jpg|thumb|none|150px|M18 smoke grenade.]]
[[Image:RockM18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine tries to pull the pin on an M18 smoke grenade before being killed by Mason.]]

==M60E3==

Private McCoy ([[Steve Harris]]) can be seen firing an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine gun]] at Goodspeed when he disables the last rocket. Mason picks it up and knocks the shooter off the roof with it.

[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E3 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel of the M60E3 before it fades to Goodspeed across the roof.]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The muzzle of the M60E3 firing.]]
[[Image:RockM60E3-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy prepares to drop the empty M60E3.]]

==LAR Grizzly Big-Bore==

When Private McCoy's M60E3 is empty, he picks up a .50 BMG [[LAR Grizzly Big-Bore]] bolt-action rifle to shoot Goodspeed. He is knocked off the roof by Mason before he can use it, though.

[[Image:LAR Grizzly.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LAR Grizzly Big-Bore .50 BMG]]
[[Image:RockBarettM99-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy switches the safety off his LAR Grizzly.]]
[[Image:RockBarettM99-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McCoy prepares to fire the Grizzly before being killed by Mason. It is a good thing he didn't fire the gun; without the muzzle break, it would have hurt like hell.]]

=="The Protector"==

When Goodspeed is messing around in his office, he shoots a flip down target with a suction dart spring gun labeled "The Protector". It appears to be based off a Mossberg 500 "Cruiser" with barrel ribbing.

[[Image:RockTheProtector.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Goodspeed with "The Protector''. Is this the most pointless gun ever posted on the site? Probably.]]

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-08-05T22:43:08Z

Jake zergling: /* Winchester 1887 */

Note: This talk page is for discussion related to the '''article'''. Do not use it to argue about how H&K pwnz Colt, it is safe to say nobody cares.

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.
:::::Besides, the game is still going through production and the weapon models will be touched up. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::So, it's almost sure that the weapons carried by the brazilians are FAL? I don't think they will include two weapons pretty identical... Unless they changed the rate of fire on each weapon much like the M4/M16 AR.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's the Imbel but Infinity Ward named it FN FAL. Like the AKMSU/AK-74S fuck up in Modern Warfare 1.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think its the fal, it looks like it uses a bigger magazine therefore a bigger round, the MD 3 uses 223, the fal uses 308
::I noticed that too. It looks like a FN FAL with an 30 round magazine. But look at the Forearm. It looks like an MD-3 forearm to me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dought you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There was a ''Public Ennemies'' version of the weapon which was closer to the one in the screenshot, but it has been deleted.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
:Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== XM8!!!!!! ==

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those ing Air Burst rifles. I can't ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.

:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell we need to start using the Famas the M16 it has never been that good anyways.

yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.

:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

:Dude I HAVE a in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better. Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?

If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Don't debate on the articles ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
:Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-07-30T05:33:58Z

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== XM8!!!!!! ==

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those ing Air Burst rifles. I can't ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.

:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell we need to start using the Famas the M16 it has never been that good anyways.

yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.

:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

:Dude I HAVE a in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better. Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?

If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Don't debate on the page ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am confused you say not to debate here but then you say to debate here. I am new to this.
:Jake, can you speak english?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I mean don't debate on the main page with the articles it clutters it.--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Jake zergling

2009-07-29T23:41:25Z

Jake zergling:

I'll put something here later. Maybe. Probably not. ;)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-07-29T23:40:33Z

Jake zergling: /* Winchester 1887 */

== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== XM8!!!!!! ==

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those ing Air Burst rifles. I can't ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.

:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell we need to start using the Famas the M16 it has never been that good anyways.

yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.

:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

:Dude I HAVE a in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better. Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?

If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Don't debate on the page ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
--[[User:Jake zergling|Jake zergling]] 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

2009-07-29T23:40:23Z

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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== XM8!!!!!! ==

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those ing Air Burst rifles. I can't ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.

:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell we need to start using the Famas the M16 it has never been that good anyways.

yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.

:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

:Dude I HAVE a in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better. Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?

If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.

== Don't debate on the page ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.
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== Brazillian Militia? ==

They better make the main character waste the militia alongside the Brazilian Army or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOPE/ BOPE] or i am not buying it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

==Guns from the new teaser==
This SMG looks like a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]].
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5#Special Weapons MP-10 and SP-10|Heckler & Koch MP-10]]]]
[[Image:MW2teastrail1.png|thumb|none|400px|I thought it was a MP5K but if we look closer, it doesn't seem to be one.]]
:It could be a K with the forward grip removed? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

looks like an MP5 with a tactical end-cap, kinda like the end cap on the MP5K. no idea why there's a 15 round magazine though
[[Image:MW2teastrail2.png|thumb|none|400px|And this one looks like a UMP but the the silhouette isn't exactly the same (maybe the model of the game was not loaded enough).]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

:It definitely resembles a UMP, it probably has rails on the handguard, as well as the front sight removed, as they did in the last game ~[[user:Revolver|Revolver]]

The one in the first picture is I think a Special Weapons MP-10. Check it out at the bottom of the mp5 page.
::The forearm doesn't look as large as the MP-10 though... everything else looks like a MP-10 indeed.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
The two guns look similar minus the stock and clip. I could be wrong but I'm sure that if it isn't a special weapons mp-10 then it is an UMP.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:Magazine goddamit![[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
What's wrong with saying clip? It means the same thing.
:.. Uh, no. It's not. A 'clip' is the device that loads a magazine. You either use it to load your detachable magazines, or you carry the clips to load the fixed magazine in your rifle (on old rifles). You don't carry 'clips' around any more. They're two different things. It's like saying rim and tyre mean the same thing. --[[User:Joffeloff|Joffeloff]] 12:44, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've never heard that before. I can see where clip comes from stripper clip that they used in rifles. Everyone around me says clip and mag is interchangeable but people use mag more often. If it really bothers you that much then I'll just say mag then.
[[Image:Mp10catch1.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Special Weapons MP-10 9x19mm]]
The second one looks like an UMP. I'm pretty sure we're dealing with two guns here.
::Yeah but there is no rear sight on the one in the screenshot, and it's disturbing me... maybe they took it away because of the Red Dot on it.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually if you look closely that kinda square shape towards the back of the gun is the iron sight so it's pretty much an UMP with what looks like an ACOG. If you're talking about the front sight for the UMP which does appear to be missing, remember that they removed the front sights from the M4/M16 when you attach a sight even though that's not standard.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP .45 ACP]]
[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

I've got a clearer shot of the weapon thanks to a friend :)
[[Image:MW2MP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok I guess it's not an MP-10 but a dressed up MP-5. They did it to the AK I suppose they are going to do it to the MP-5?[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

Guys on CoD Wikia found an interesting thing about this gun and I pretty agree: http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Sub_Machine_Guns They say it's a MP5K with a R.I.S system. Since they've put one for the M4, I guess that's possible.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

It has to be a MP5k with a rail. The short magazine,no stock, and small flashider make it the only possible variant.

==what AK is this?==
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=2&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=4&newsid=20387
http://www.gamegrep.com/showimage.php?pos=5&newsid=20387

In the first image I can see that it has a waffle magazine. In the second image I can see that a muzzle brake is present, and in the last image I can see what appears to be a Tapco Intrafuse AK-47 Handguard. So what is it? Oh and it appears to have a synthetic stock. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.253.21|72.133.253.21]] 21:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

== Guns from the trailer ==
[[Image:MW2brazil.png|thumb|none|400px|FN FAL or Imbel MD-3 (brazilian variant of the FAL)?]]
I hope it's an FAL. You barely ever see them in video games-S&Wshooter
:Me too. I love fals. And the gun above looks like a IMBEL MD2. Heres the wikipedia article: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMBEL_MD2]. Note how it has a STANAG Magazine like the MD2.I also love how ridiculous looking the Brazilian gang members are.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::rather MD-3 isn't it? Since it hasn't a foldable stock.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah without the folding stock it is a MD3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::::However, the gun's long barrel looks more like a FAL... ahh sh*t! This fuc*ing game is driving me mad, every guns don't look exactly the same as their originals^^--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think there are Imbel MD2s or MD3s with the regular barrel.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Ok, there are no Imbel MD3s with regular barrels. It's most likely a design error by the developters.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
(comment: It better be a FAL. I'm getting tired of M4's, M16's, AK's and G36's. I want to be able to use a gun ingame that in't too small for me in real life.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]])
:I agree. the game better have G3s and IMI galils. I also love the fact that is a Brazilian made Fal. You don't see those in movies.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:I also want a MG3 or some kind of big, dumb machine gun chambered to 7.62x51mm NATO. Machine guns chambered to 7.62 tear shit up.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Hell yeah man! Thats exactly what I'm saying. I would also like to see some more bolt action jobs that aren't crappy( DSR-1, Enfield Enforcer, Steyr SSG) in video games- [[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::''This would probably be the IMBEL MD-2 (folding stock) or MD-3 (fixed stock) which is manufactured locally in Brazil. The weapons are based, pretty much, on the FAL with the exception that they fire a 5.56 round'' [[User:Charon68|Charon68]]
:::And are fed from STANAG Magazines and have different handguards.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm tired of .223 guns. I would like to see a FAL, M14 or G3 that isn't emasculated (made innacurate, weak or make ammo for it scarce)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]]
::I want a M14 that is not tricked out with rails like the one in Call of Duty 4. I want a M14 like the one below:
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A real M14.]]
I do like the Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR rifle though. I also want A M16A4 that doesn't fire on Full Auto and a AK-74. AK-74s don't get enough love.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::CoD 7 will be about Vietnam War according to rumours, maybe they'll put in one.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 19:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::And smaller conflicts in africa. I hope they also put atleast one level that takes place in the portuguese colonial war.
[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Now i think the FAL above may be a FN FAL with rails on the handguards and a 30 round magazine but i think it's too curved and big to be 7.62x51mm NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

im taking a guess that the FAL looking rifle is a DSA SA58 OSW. im probably wrong, but thats my two cents
:Way too big to be an SA58. The SA58 is a Carbine. The one in the upper picture is an Assault Rifle. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:MW2smg.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2Brazilpistol.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 16:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

*A Kriss Super V?
Cool. The pistol is a Desert Eagle, by the way.-protoAuthor
:I think the pistol is a Jericho 941 since it's too small to be a desert eagle.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::No, it's an Eagle. Check out the ejection port.
:::''I concur. It's not terribly visible, but there's that familiar slide mounted safety in both shots. It appears to be a totally game-created custom finish though - the barrel and the underlying section of the frame (where the gas pistons are housed) look to be blued and the grips and the rest of the frame looks silver. On a couple of related notes, wow at the graphics - I took these for pictures of the developers testing out their guns at first - and wow at the handling of the Desert Eagle by this guy. Usually in these games, you see handguns being handled only somewhat compentently at best. This guy looks like he sleeps with the damn thing.'' ---[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 02:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, take note of the sound it makes when it fires. Exact same sound as the Desert Eagle in CoD4.

== The machine gun ==
I think the machine gun that the russian terrorists are using is a M240.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it's a M249 SAW, the M240 (GP Machine gun) is bigger.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Could it possibly be a Mk. 46?
:Makes sense since most of the guns are special forces guns.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
==New AK==
[[Image:AKMW2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
I think its just an amped up AK-47. It has an AR-15 stock, waffle magazine, and has a synthetic handguard.
Found a similar image:
[[Image:Ak-47-weapon-accessories-desert-colourb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 22:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Good god, look what they did to that AK! That's just horrible. I hope the AK in the game isn't like that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched the trailer again. I am sure that i saw a AK with a AK-74 style flash hider.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Maybe a AK-101 since NATO forces use 5.56mm.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
::I think it could be a AK-74M or just a AK-74 since the russian army might make a apparence and they need to arm the russian soldiers.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I said "NATO forces"--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC) because the one having it in the screenshot is Soap... well, maybe or surely, he captured because he had a M14 at the beginning.
::Well...the game's plot is a about a Uber badass special forces unit that works alone and is headed by our buddy Soap up there. So, i guess the badass special forces unit is not part of NATO.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Neither AK-101 or AK-74, the magazine in the image holds 7.62x39mm. [[User:Rock and Metal|Rock and Metal]] 00:16, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe theres the tricked out AK up there and the AK-74 style AK.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, seems like we won't know until we'll have a level walkthrough with the name of the weapon in it...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::I saw the Gameplay videos and i saw two different AKs. One with a AKM style muzzle brake and another one with a AK-74 style flash hider. Maybe we can build guns from the ground up? like, you can have a AK-47 with a kobra sight, snow camo, fires 7.62x39mm and has a AK-74 flash hider?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
*It's gotta be an AKM.
::Why the it would be an AKM? It looks like an AK-74M or one of the AK-100 series.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:38, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it has ribbing on the top of the reciever, like the AKM, but the indentation I cannot clearly see. It could be like in Farcry 2, where it has the Ak-47 receiver with some AKM parts, and I used AKM because the 100 series are developments on the AKM, understand? So AK-47 is incorrect.
::::But the AK-10X series were developments on the AK-74M. Also, sign you posts.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well technically the modernizations start with the AKM, I see it as the break off point of the AK series. Ak-74 was designed from the AKM, and so on and so on, but that doesn't matter, yeah it could be the 100 series, but my point is its not an AK-47. Also lacks the flash hiders of the 74 and 100s. But I think it's a frankenAK-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I think the AK-74 flashider can be seen when in first person. Like how in the first Modern Warfare, The first person model of the M4 had an grip on the handguard but the world model didn't have a grip. I also think it's an frankengun or it may be an AK that the player can build. Like in hitman: Blood Money.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't think so on the 74, but I think we can agree in the meantime it is not an AK-47 so we should change the heading accordingly, evidence shows it is a modernized variant so we could say a Kalashnikov in the heading and have notations that it is a modernized variant.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

It looks like it has the AK-47 variant front sight on it.

== Unrealeted ==
Ok, i know this has nothing to do with the game or releted to guns but, i was reading the Modern Warfare 2 thread on the Something Awful forums and they were calling the Brazilian gangters africans. What the ? and they seen to think the scenes in Rio De Janeiro are set in Africa. What the mother ? it offends me that people are dumb enough to ignore the line "he's got a contact in rio" and Christ the Redeemer and the huge mountains with favelas full of illiterate drug dealers and the Brazilian made Imbel MD-3.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect? It's Something Awful!

To be fair all the favela gangsters that are seen so far are Afro-Brazilians, even if there are plenty of gang members of all races in real life. With so many games having levels in destroyed urban areas in Africa it's not surprising that some people would get a Black Hawk Down style vibe from the pictures.

Personally I hate something Awful as they break their own rules on posting. One member has a post on there with my first and last names and it's a bloody poison pen hitpeice. I asked the frigging syop to remove the shit and he laughed at me. Personally I find the site the home of a bunch of elitist idiots who have at least one member dumb enough to set the fuel line for a weilding torch on fire.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hey, i like something awful but you have to be really dumb not to see the Christ the redeemer.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

==Hopes For New Game==

Want a little realism and some weapons like standard battle rifles not all trick out with rails. Hoping russians have ak-74s and makarovs or that new 9x19 pistol they developed, not ak47s. Militias and gangs should have a mix of guns, not all berettas and 1911s. A makarov, cz-75, hk or two, glock, model 19 smiths.....just variety.

What the fick is an "akarov"? Lol-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Makarov, a 9x18mm pistol that has been issued in several variants to the russian military. Come on, seriously, sticky keys some things are mspelled.

I knew that. I was just kidding-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the brazilians should use taurus and stoeger guns too, that would be realistic. And the militia should have some sxs coach guns and taurus revolvers, you know, the non tatcticla stuff. And psitols should be portrayed as hard to shoot, not coming back exactly on target after each round and it should wobble a bit while aiming.
:The Brazilian gangsters are using tricked out guns with rails. At least the IMBEL MD-3 up there has a Eotech reflex sight and what looks like rails on the handguards but they could be the regular MD-3 hand guard. We know the AKs are going to be tricked out as like the image above but i think i saw a AK-74 that was not tricked out. I hope they have a AK-74.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My major hope for the game is a surpressed sniper rifle available on multiplayer not single. The first Modern Warfare was a great stealth game with all the "Surpressors", and "Ghillie Suits" but really was a "Greek Tragedy" on multiplayer. I could understand that your average military trained sniper has a spotter and a shooter and are trained to be the world's top 10 patient people in the world but can't put the patience into a live game with real people in a seven minute match. Aside from history why couldn't the writers just put a M21 with a surpressor on in multiplayer like in the missions "Blackout" and "All Ghillied Up"? For the new guys to COD4 on the M21 attachments there are only two attachments "No Attachment" has a standard scope, the ACOG attachment has a ACOG scope and is missing a surpressor as a third attachment. If you understand how to customize your attachments you wouldn't be so confused but since the "No Attachment" feature has a standard scope why not have the surpressor and scope. It just doesn't make sense why you would have the same setup in the campaign but not in multiplayer. We can all understand why you can't have more than one attachment on any other weapons but why not add a surpressor on a sniper that has "No Attachment" for it's standard scope? I am probably to late to send this message to Infinity Awards but I spent 20 minutes on it so I might get lucky if they read it and a miracle if they change it. I'm just sharing my hopes so try not to delete it.

I hope they get more shotguns in and make them a tiny bit better.m3,870,m1300,m950,etc. Two shotguns that go 5 feet suck, especially when pistols can go as far as sniper rifles.

==Winchester 1200==

We all know the 1200 is old and not used since vietnam. The 1300 is used. Would it be safe to say these are mis-named winchester 1300s? Or is it more video game nonsense?
:The 1200 in this game is the same 1200 from Modern Warfare 1 so it's safe to say that the Winchester is a 1200 even though is pretty retarded to militarys still be using the 1200 today.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I seriously doubt the 1200 was ever made in this configuration.
:Me too but it is a video game and video game developters are pretty retarded when it comes to guns. Still, this and COD4 have the best Gun in video game history atleast by now.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Alright ==
Alright you son-of-a-bitches there's a gameplay video in gametrailers. It's pretty low quality but some new guns were seen, including the gun with the heartbeat sensor and some others. Now, i don't know how to screencap trailers so someone else will have to do it.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Here they come:
[[Image:MW2AR1.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:MW2AR2.png|thumb|none|400px|]]
--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
YOU FOOL! It's "sons-of-bitches". That's a pretty awesome-looking cap, though.-protoAuthor
:Thanks for the correction. I am sure Soap and Roach we using AKs with AK-74 flash hiders. Anyone have any idea what kind of AKs were those?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::Oliveira, do you think you could post a link of the trailer for me, please? Thanks so much. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Which trailer?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== gameplay demo ==

did anyone see the new gameplay demo for Modern Warfare 2
it showed "Roach"(main protagonist) with a IMBEL MD-3 with a dot sight and a...radar
im not good with gun attachments but is there really a radar attatchment?
:It's a heartbeat sensor and the gun wasn't a MD-3. it looked like a fictional gun of some sort.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
::some says it's a SCAR--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 21:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Makes sense since the charging handle is on the right side. But i think the SCAR charging handle is on the left side.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
-It looks like a Sig 556 variant to me - Mythekal

Yeah looks like the sig556 itself thogh, not the military versions? Also, would it be safe to say the glock is a glock 18, no idea how anyone would mistake a full auto as a g22/.

It could just be a fully automatic Glock 22. Gun rules dont necessarily matter to video games - Mythekal
:Mythekal is right. Hell, Modern Warfare 1 had a M16A4 that fired on full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

All that matters is the real weapon that the in-game version is modeled from. Call of Duty 4 had an Aks-74u modeled from an Airsoft gun - Mythekal

I'm starting to think that this rifle could be a Bushmaster ACR, as it shares similar traits, except for the placement of the charging handle - Mythekal

:My thoughts too. The charging handle is consistent to the ACR, but the SCAR has the same kind of charging handle. We can't see the stock and both could accept a thermold mag. So it could be either. I really doubt they make up an entire fiction rifle for the sake of it. Modern Warfare was always all about guns that are real. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::Though the weird part is, the ACR has a slide release right next to the trigger, similiar to the XM8. You reload and just press forward with your trigger finger, no need to slap or pull the charging handle. The SCAR has the slide release like the AR-15 rifles, you can just slap it to release, but yet in the gameplay, you don't slap a slide release or push a slide release, you pull the charging handle back. Strange [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It could be a Magpul Masada. It is very similar to the weapon in the videos, and has a charging handle on the right side of the receiver. In the video, the stock has a hinge, indicating a folding stock, which looks almost identical to the Masada. - Mythekal

The rifle also has ambidexterous charging handles - Mythekal

:That sumbitch is most certainly a Masada.

new gameplay vid says it's a silenced ACR with heartbeat sensor.

I think it is a Magpul Masada [[User:Choi117|Choi117]]
:I watched the Gameplay and i'm sure that the gun is a ACR.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

ACR is the masada. Same gun, switched manufacturer.
:Sorry, i didn't know that.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

But the stock is that of the Masada - Mythekal

::ACR man, I know the Masada sounds cooler, but it isn't call that anymore. It's like people still calling the REC 7 a Barret M468 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or any of the M16 series of weapons a AR-15.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well if it's called AR15, you would be referring to the civilian M16 rifles. M16 is a military weapon and an AR-15 isn't. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the pistol is a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18C]]
:Most likely since it was firing on Full auto.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::It was pointed out that the firing rate wasn't the same speed as a real [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]], but it could be that the developers couldn't quite get the slide and sound speed for a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]]. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it could be a [[Glock]] firing on semi-automatic. [[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::::That little er fires fast if its semi auto (pardon my language)
:::::Who ever put the screenshot on the page forgot to remind that the frame color is (tan) "Olive Drab". [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18's]] did not have this color available. [[Glock#Glock 22|Glock 22's]] just came out with this color somewhere in 2008. Of course I still wouldn't rule out it could be a [[Glock#Glock 18|Glock 18]] with a replaced frame. But the writers probably wanted to put a new FBI (.40S&W) caliber into their Video Game arsenal.

==Weapons-trailers==

Been seeing trailers online annoncing weapons and perks. How much cred do they have? Theres no footage to back it up, bt several announced weapons are in the screenshots. They also list the 110 SASR, L85, L85 mg version, etc.
:Weapon trailers? Where the hell can i find those? They could be really useful for the article.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Youtube, theres a "weapons" one that just lists guns, and a weapons and perks thing, the perks it actually ahs proof from the original teaser.

:I wouldn't trust any of those youtube bull. One said there might be an XM8 in the game. I hope it does not. That's one more step towards having all the guns Rainbow Six have. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those videos are pure speculation. I'm sure those are all . We will only document weapons that are confirmed by the developters and seen in gameplay.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

== Hbar? ==
I don't want to offend anyone but, what the mother is a Hbar?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Its the Heavy barreled variant of the Aug meant to be a squad based machine gun - Mythekal

:Hbar could also be refering to anything really. Heavy barrel anything. I've seen plenty of AR-15 variants in movies with Hbars. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[http://e3.gamespot.com/video/6211390/?hd=1&tag=live-schedule] Sometime when the player passes over ennemies' corpses, he can take their weapons. One of them (the other is often a FA-MAS) is a AUG. There is four letter after it, a H at the beginning and I don't see well the other 3. But there is only one variant of the AUG with a "H" in its name, and that's the HBar.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Could someone upload a image of the icon in the above video? The link isn't working for me.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I just watched the E3 gameplay again. The AUG HBAR pick up symbol looks amazingly like the SA80 British service rifle. Might be a place holder or something.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I made a note of it in the actual page. It DOES look like an SA80 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

::My money's on a mislabel. We know the standard AUG is confirmed (all those screenshots) so why not the HBAR too?--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::If you pause it right before you kill the guy who carried it it's an AUG. So therefore its a mislabel. (I wish I can upload the screenshot but dun know how.)
:::Sign you posts for christ's sake.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
== Correct Name ==
I think we should call this game Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 instead of just [[Modern Warfare 2]] because we have a entire alphabetized series of Call Of Duty in the Video Games Category and just putting this in the "M" section does not look we even have this page. If somebody knows how to put this in the "C" section with out changing the name that will be organized.

:Well that's the problem. Originally it WAS called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and some still do, but officially, the publishers decided to shorten the title for some reason. We COULD for alphabetize sake, put Call of Duty in front so it fits with the others. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:And I've successfully changed the name [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:10, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::Wait, I thought the reason that this was called Modern Warfare 2 was because Infinity Ward no longer wanted to make any more WWII related games and as such gave the "Call of Duty" moniker to Treyarch. Modern Warfare is supposedly now a separate series from Call of Duty. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:Modern Warfare is its own series now and isn't a CoD game anymore.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::Or we could make a new "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" page which bring it here.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, this game is still being published by Activision that published the previous game. It is STILL apart of the Call of Duty franchise, they just chose to officially call this game just Modern Warefare 2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep it modern warfare 2, but link them together, like GM did linking all the dirty harry movies together.

== Taskforce 141 = Rainbow Six ==

A multinational commando unit? The moment I read that, I immediately thought Rainbow and well we really can't complain what kinds of weapons these guys uses since they are a fictional unit like Rainbow so they can use whatever they want. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was expecting the task forece to be from the UN. That would be cool.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::But if they say they are are UN taskforce makes the team sound kinda...pointless Like the UN does anything. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I though Rainbow Six was a UN Task Force? Anyway, a movie or televison series about a UN Uber badass task force that were formed to catch international criminals would be really cool. The problem with the UN is that they try to be neutral and being neutral doesn't do anything. The UN should be reformed to be more of a International police that works against international criminals and make international laws.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the UN the way it is. What you're talking about sounds like the first step to a totalitarian society.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]
:What i'm talking about is stuff like Resolution 84. I also like the UN the way it is but, they fail at quick responses to genocide such as the Rwandan Genocide in 1994.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In general they fail at mostly any response. They just don't have the power to back up their enforcement of peace. Any peace keeping force with too much power can be oppressive. Who will keep the peace keepers in check when they're suppose to keep us in check? Quite the dilemma. I just don't think the idea of the U.N. or anything similar can work.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:The United States shall keep the UN in check, without US, there is no UN. They need us more than we need them. It might seem like typical arrogant American mentality, but from how things are, the US has more indirect influence and handle over the entire world. We are the world's insurance policy, the self proclaimed enforcer, guardian, peacekeeping super power despite all our internal problems with crime, money and other things, but because of our population and how relatively young our nation is, the intense diversity in culture and believes keeps us in check. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
::The Problem is when someone like Bush Jr. comes up and s everything up. Could you imagine having someone like him being President of The United States during the Cold War? Anyway, The UN did have a really good quick response to the North Korean invasion of South Korea. We almost had North Korea. If weren't for the goddamm chinese.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah if it weren't for them all this Kim Jong Il shit wouldn't be happening and we wouldn't be about to go to war in Korea-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 18:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey Smith, if someone is at fault for not winning the Korean War and not having only one Korea, is Mao. Truman also kinda ed up by telling the 7th Fleet to enter the Taiwan Straits.
:::Um, Task Force 141 is a play on Task Force 121, which in real life is a (dare I say) black ops verison of JSOC. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

== More weapons comfirmed ==

It seems that p90 is making a return and spas 12 will also be ingame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFKBEQoSpu8
:That guy got a lot of the guns wrong and that AUG Hbar looked more like a SA80 to me. And what the hell is up the people thinking that the FAL in the trailer is a AK? It looks nothing like it!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, most people are unaware of all the different kinds of firearms. I'm surprise this guy in the vid ID as much as there was. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== CPT. Price ==
I hope we get to find out if CPT. Price from CoD4 survived or not. That's been bugging me... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it would cheapen the ending of Modern Warfare 1 if he survived.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How would that cheapen the ending of the first game? It was never clear if any of the team's survived. What about the Mile High Club mission where you hear Price and Gaz talk? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz got shot in the face with a Desert Eagle, he's dead.-protoAuthor

Captain Price leads the Task Force in this game!

No, Soap leads the Task Force

Soap does sound kind of similar to Cpt. Price. I guess Price rubbed off on him a little or something.

*Price managed to last for sixty years without ageing, dying or trimming his moustache, so I can't see a little thing like being shot dead getting to him. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 10:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:Well...I would like if he came back right at the end and save Soap and Roach. But, he better have a even glourious moustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, recalling CoD1 a little more, Price has ''already'' died once in the series. He was shot dead on board the ''Tirpitz'' and you just left him there, only for him to turn up again in CoD2 apparently none the worse for it. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 08:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Didn't COD2 take place before COD1?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Can't remember, to be honest, I didn't play it that much; I was busy being an Annoyed PC Gamer because they took away my quicksaves, fire modes and health packs and replaced them with Not Being Killed Grenades [throw one to not be killed by that machinegun!]. Still, this is his second death in the series, so I wouldn't expect it to cramp his style much. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 12:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:Gaz and Griggs got wasted though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cpt. Price in CoD 1 and 2 is a diffrent Price, most probably grandfather. And it is unsure if Price died or if he got promoted and got a higher position...

*Oh come on, it's either a clone or the same guy, they just came up with that when people started seriously questioning an extremely silly off-hand reference. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 07:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't talk about something you don't know sh¤t about... [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Price_(Call_of_Duty_4)] the two Cpt. Price are two diffrent guys

*Two different, totally identical guys. It's an elaborate cover story to hide that Price is invincible and immortal. [[User:Dongs|Dongs]] 11:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:Captain Price is a symbol representing the glourious British Military. Ok, he is just a tradition for the Guys at Infinity Ward but it would be really cool if he was a symbol.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hes dead a russian medic was seen trying to revive him but failed an started bashing his chest

Gaz... gone, .50 AE round to the face and you're done. Price... I doubt he'd be returning because let's face it he did die in COD4 and the Russian medic wouldn't have pounded his chest if he didn't die. As far as previous games go, Price was able to return because they didn't really have a tight storyline to them. But this Modern Warfare series does. So if Price returns, I think it'll be a bit ridiculous.
:I like that they Replaced Price with Soap but there is one thing i don't like about it.

No Glourious Mustache.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
==General Observations==
Though I freely admit I got wood watching this trailer one thing I noticed is that the guys from ''Infinity Ward'' seemed to have recycled some scenery. When they showed the guys running through the alleyways of Rio I swear it reminded me of the alleyways of the Arab capital the Marines run through in [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]].

:Not really. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:38, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

== The New pictures ==
Could someone tell me where did that picture of the american soldier with the M4 came from?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:http://www.modernwarfare247.com/news/special-ops-characters --[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Jesus Christ, is the weapons section of that website all kinds of ed up. Thet called an FN-FAL a G3 and they called an AK-74 a AK-47. What the mother ? At least that means that we, IMFDB members, have the best website documenting weapons in Modern Warfare 2. But still, what the mother ?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Is all the cussing necessary but yes I do agree that this website is the most reliable.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

== TAR-21 or F2000? ==
[[Image:MW2TR6.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|A Brazilian Militia firing the unknown rifle, presumably a[[FN F2000#FN F2000 Tactical|FN F2000 Tactical]]]]
Isn't it a TAR-21 rather than a F2000?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's way too big to be a Tavor. Most likely an F2000.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah... the form is rather an F2000 too...--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 08:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:My question is where the is the scope?-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 15:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::There is an version of the FN2000 that has the scope replaced with rails. I guess that's the one in the picture above.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whats that under the F2000? Its too skinny to be an M203, I think its a shotugn--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Looks like an Remington 870.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
How the hell would they fit a shotgun/Masterkey on the three inches of forward rails that the F2000 has? More like a shotgun with an F2000 attachment, rather than the other way around.--[[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 18:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it definetly looks to be a shotgun, however it's mounted on there.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== MP7? Are you sure? ==

Where do you exactly see MP7?

I only see custom MP5 (or MP5k without foregrip) on the right and two copies of another unidentified weapons on the left.
They have curved magazines where MP7 has foregrip and their casing is completly different.
MP7 doesn't match...
[[User:Morihaus|Morihaus]] 17:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Morihaus

== FAL Please ==

I know one of the screenshots show's what appears to be an MD-2, but I still wanan see a FAL in MW2. I'm getting annoyed by G36Cs and M16s and G3KA4s in all these games. The FAL was a true combat rifle, and I do has want (sorry for net speak)--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 20:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I absolutely agree with the above statement-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Me too but, the MD-2 is good enough for me. And it is Brazilian! That makes me proud of being Brazilian.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
: I like the Imbel also, its a pretty solid gun-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Which Imbel? Imbel is the manufacturer.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:Their FAL copy with the fixed stock (it's the only one I've held)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::Those are just called FN FALs.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
:::The Imbel is great and all, but the FAL is a solid 7.62 rifle. Also, I noticed they're using the AUG A1, not A3 for MW2. I'm pleased with that as the original AUG model was always my favorite.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 22:08, 26 June
2009 (UTC)

== XM8!!!!!! ==

Dear god no, someone is saying an XM8 is in this game?! Is there no GOD!? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:I don't even know where those non-confirmed guns came from. Did they come from those youtube videos about the game's weapons?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
: There better not be an XM8.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::The XM8 is a piece of ing shit so it better not be in this game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. The XM8 is overused in games as it is, and it sucks shit. It couldn't even stand up to the M4A1 or M16A4 in US Army testing for christ's sakes!--[[Special:Contributions/142.162.149.33|142.162.149.33]] 17:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least it was better than those ing Air Burst rifles. I can't ing believe most NATO countries thought that would work. Just look at those things! They look like something outta a ing Anime!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the air burst idea was a massive fail. and remember the OICW program? A multishot grenade launcher and IR scope attached to a rifle, and they wanted a single soldier to carry all that?--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 17:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
::At least the XM25 is working.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Guys, chill out, will ya? If you want some enlightenment, the XM8 competed in a "dust test" with the M4A1, HK416, and the SCAR-L, and scored lowest number of stoppages [http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/12/army_carbine_dusttest_071217/]. Here's the score:

XM8: 127 Stoppages
M4: 882 Stoppages
HK416: 233 Stoppages
SCAR-L: 226 Stoppages

The M4 was outperformed by the HK416, SCAR, and XM8, but the army is still standing by the M4A1. Read the article that I've linked to to learn more. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]

but they said something like 500 of those M4 stoppages were due to bad magazines, they said that only a handful of the M4's barrels had to be replaced, but so did the other competitors. So in reality, the M4 is still pretty up to date, and it means that there isnt one gun that is so significantly better that the M4 needs to be replaced, but I can understand SOCOM procurements, it makes sense to have the best rifle available in that situation. Personally I don't have a problem with any new guns, but as a taxpayer, I don't want to dish out all kinds of money for a new rifle.

:The M4 is still superior since stoppages don't mean anything.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry, but I have to say that stoppages ''do'' mean something. As a retired Corporal, I've seen situations where the M4 kept double-feeding itself and I was unable to fire off a round in any direction without taking my time clearing the chamber by pulling the charging handle repeatedly. The M16 had the same problem in the Vietnam War, and cost many veterans their lives. Other than the jamming malfunctions, the M4/M16 series outstands in its power. To say that one weapon is better than another in a generic comparison is pure ignorance. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:15, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Hell we need to start using the Famas the M16 it has never been that good anyways.

yeah we can start using the FAMAS and have the same problems we had with the M16A1.

:: Actually: It does. The US Army and you can say what you want, 89% of the soldiers do have confidence in the weapon, but the M4A1 still has some problems that the remaining 11% complain about. (Also, that wikipedia article said that 20% of soldiers were dissatisfied with ease of maintenance, which A.) goes to show how easy it is to use, and B.) means that 20% would be that much more frustrated with a new rifle that is easier to use. Also, that 75% of soldiers only wanted to change the weight and magazine issues, but said nothing about replacing it, looks like the M4 is just to popular to get rid of.)

1. The handguards can rattle and can become very hot when fired. (R.I.S. barrels have been added to fix that)

2. There can be difficulty zeroing the M68 reflex sight. (that's due to the scopes inferior technology, which is why we have EOtech scopes now)

3. The rifle has had double-feeding issues, jamming, and feeding problems with the magazine. (the U.S. Army has begun fielding new magazines to cope with that problem, which was actually why the M4 suffered such a heavy loss in the extreme dust competition)

55% of Soldiers have also complained that the weapon is too heavy, and want it to be made lighter, and 20% want a bigger magazine. Have you even fired one? Because your statement seems a fit unfounded if you have nothing to support your claim.-[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:No i never fired one because here in Brazil, weapons for civilian use were banned in the entire country. However, i did read Wikipedia's entire article on the M16 and its varients and the M4. And the M4 even when it's loaded, weights a mere 3.1 kilograms.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
*Out of all the weapons tested, I much prefer the SCAR, and so do US Special Forces as they're adopting it already--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 03:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lets hope that the military will ditch the M4/M16 for a Battle Rifle like the SCAR-H or an FAL derivative (Maybe the shorty DSA model) so the troops can use a more effective bullet, cuz that 5.56 BS isn't cutting it-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think they could just rechamber most of the M4s and M16s to 6.8 mm Remington SPC. I don't know if that would be a easy thing to do though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well Barrett did build the M468/ Rec-7 for the military, but they rejected it. Why not just buy some Rec-7s? But really, I've always thought the 7.62 NATO round was a much better bullet. And a the DSA stubby wouldn't be a bad carbine to use either.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:7.62 rounds give way too much recoil. I still say the 5.56 NATO and 6.8 SPC is still better than 7.62 NATO. You know what? The M4 and M16s don't need to be replaced. There, i said it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::At a glance it does seem very simple to solve the M4 problems, swap ammo with 6.8, jamming mags? Get better ones, make it lighter, etc. But it is a pretty hard process to replace a standarize weapon that's been in service for so long that it's engraved into American military mentality. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It still a prototype so back the off, M4s piss and moan like a freakin baby they're only good for SWAT if an AK got a shell in the barrel it would still fire, never have an M4 in the desert.
::If you are talking about the XM8, the XM8 ''was'' a prototype. Fortunately, it was cancelled in 2005. The American troops that are in the shit, like the M4 and the M16A4. And they are the ones in the desert. The problems with the magazines could be fixed by replacing the unrealible STANAG magazines with the P-MAG magazines and making bigger magazines that could store more rounds. We don't need to replace the M4 and the M16 because of problems that could be easily fixed. The same thing can be applied to the M249 replacement program.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why everyone thinks the XM-8 is horrible. It's a prototype. Not everyone was happy with the M-16s in nam. Partially due to military error saying the guns didn't need to be cleaned and partially due to new materials being tried out. That's besides the point. I don't see how the XM-8 is such a bad weapon. They don't even need to put it in single player or anything. They didn't have an M40 in single player and it's my favorite rifle in CoD4. If you read up on the XM-8 it wasn't such a bad gun. Now I do disagree about it being in the game because it's a prototype weapon. Still I'd like people to at least put down some evidence as to why they absolutely are disgusted with the XM-8 and refuse to see it in this game.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

As usual fanboys must let everyone know how much they absolutely despise the XM8 for no legitimate reason while at the same time proclaiming the M16/M4 series is the best weapon ever. They have never fired either weapon and cite their wikipedia knowledge while not realizing how clueless they are.

:Dude I HAVE a in' M4 and it really doesn't jam that often, but it feels alot like a toy. I have had BB guns that felt sturdier-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok Shadow XPS, the problems of the M16 that were reported in Viet Nam WERE taken seriously later. So many changes to the M16 platform from then to now has been done to make the weapon better. They wanted to chrome it, they did it. They wanted 30 round mags to compete with the AK's, they did, they made compact versions of the weapon, rails, etc. Eventually the M16 platform is being solved one thing at a time. It isn't the perfect gun, but no rifle is and it's all about preferences. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said the problems were never taken seriously. I'm saying people were not happy with it at first because the army reported that it never needed cleaning when it did. What I'm saying is the M-16 had a rocky start but it ended up being a great gun. Now suddenly when the XM-8 rolls around with less stoppages everyone thinks it's horrible? Sure it has a few bugs but the M-16 did too.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

:I'm fairly sure it was the manufacturers who told the Army it was self-cleaning rather than the Army reporting that. But the XM8's main problem is just aggressive bad design for the sake of it; not being designed with current accessories in mind being the main point, though supposedly there are also issues with polymer components melting. And really, there's no reason now for the US Army to adopt a firearm on the basis it might get better someday when they have one that already has got better. Plus the XM8 is basically just a G36 stuffed inside a silly "high-tech" shell. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

All fair arguments. I somewhat agree with the XM-8 to G-36 thing. They seem too similar to both be in the game. As well you are right about the polymers and the fact that the XM-8 doesn't take "current" attachments. I can't remember what happened with the polymer problem but the attachments the XM-8 uses is the PCAP which are the small little oval holes. They aren't backwards compatible with the standard rails without an adapter but the attachments don't need to be re sighted because of the precision of the attachment. So it's a trade off.[[User:ShaDow XPS|ShaDow XPS]]

to tell you the truth when i first read about the XM8 I was highly impressed and only going by the hard facts on paper it became one of my favorites. Yes the polymer melted on it but if it was givien more funding or time that could have easily been solved by HK. I've never held the real thing, neither has anyone here, but I dont see that many similarities between the G36 and the XM8 other than overall shape. I thought about wanting to see the gun in this game but even though I love the gun I decided I didn't want to see it because it never made it past prototype stages and it wouldn't be very realistic to see it happening, even though this game takes place probably 10 years from now (COD4 takes place in 2011, the Chernobyl incident happened in 1986, the sniper missions take place "a decade later", in 1996, and the sniper missions take place 15 years ago, which would put the year to 2011.) As far as replacing the M4, it's not gonna happen. As long as we use bullets, we'll be using the M4 and M16. It has been so deeply engraved in the minds of the military that people will defend its unreliability to the end. The overall design of it is fine, but its internals defy reasoning. Why not go with a much more reliable gas piston system that weapons like the AK-47, the G36, XM8, SIG 552, and almost any other weapon out there have? No, Eugine Stoner went with direct impingement, which pushes the gases from a fired bullet right onto the action of the weapon. Nice choice. Back to the XM8, reportedly you can fire 15,000 rounds out of it before it requires cleaning. Compare this to the M16, where soldiers are required to clean it every day (don't argue, my father was in the Army using the M16A2). The barrel life on the XM8 is 20,000 rounds. The M4 can't even compare to that with a barrel life of only 8000 rounds. Now I don't know why HK couldn't have made the XM8 with standard Picatinny Rails while also incorporating the new Picatinny Attachment Points (although the XM8 R has rails and there is a way to attach rails to the PCAP). Plus, the XM8 carbine version comes standard out of the box with a reflex sight. So the lack of rails really being the weapons only drawback, why all the hate?

If they put an XM8 in this game, I'll cancel my pre-order right this second. Like has been said previously, it's waaaaaaay overused in games today. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:You can have your XM8 pieces of shit. I go with the G3 and the Imbel FAL, thank you very much.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay first of all that's ridiculous that you wouldn't buy a game because of one gun. however, I can personally tell you that i've fired an ar 15(m4 replica) With the direct impingement system, better mags(Hk) and a cold forge barrel, both of which are being issued to soldiers right now. Anyway back to the firing, i fired 50,000 rounds in a period of one week with very limited cleaning to the gun, twice a day to be exact, the overall rating was about 5 - 7 jams A DAY with just ONE barrel replacement, and ONCE having to re zero the sights(EOtech) one of those days was tested in the desert with some pretty gusty winds that was blowing sand and shit everywhere. But it was fine. Yes i did modify the firearm but that would be cheaper than buying a useless plastic gun that looks like a toy from HALO. my friend in the 75th got those rifles(and the SCAR) and said they're both pieces of shit and would rather have an M4 any day. especially since its a more familiar platform, he also didn't think too highly of the 416 which i thought was bizarre considering its almost the same platform, but still, that's a soldier who is confident in his weapon and a taxpayer who doesn't want to throw away money on a rifle that is only a minuscule better than his. His is cheaper, lighter, more familiar, and, in my personal opinion, cooler looking than all the other competitors. So for all you guys(kids) who talk shit about the M4 you should shut up because most of you don't know what you're talking about. only youtube videos show you the difference. And believe me, all those videos were put out by colts competitors(Hk, FN, LWRC, Barret) they're salesmen, of course they want you to think their gun is significantly better than colts M4. THEIR TRYING TO SELL YOU SOMETHING, military or commercial.

== TDI "Kriss" ==
I know the Kriss is going to be hyped in MW2, as its a powerful .45 ACP SMG that has virtually no recoil and great accuracy. But the guys at IW won't let such a perfect gun into multiplayer, because it'll turn into a noob weapon fast. My bet's on that they purposely change one of it's stats to make it more balanced. Any guesses on what they'll take away from it? My bet is make it less powerful.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:There IS recoil in the Kriss. Every gun has recoil.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
::True, but it varies what the recoil force actually ''does'' and how much of it the user feels; the recoil has to go somewhere, but it can be towards things like fighting the gun's own muzzle climb by shoving a weight downwards [as with the Kriss], stopping a barrel that's moving forwards [as with the XM307 / XM312], or quite a number of other things. The general idea is that the Kriss has very light felt recoil for its weight [less than half the weight of a Thompson] because of the novel operating system. And I imagine they'll either limit the magazine, turn it into a peashooter or make it horribly inaccurate. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 02:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Or Infinity Ward could make the Kriss a Kicking Rad gun that you will get when you reach the highest level. An all around gun.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 02:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::::What about the Rate of Fire? i don't remember if the Kriss had a high R.O.F. or not
:::::From the Future Weapons video I watched on the Kriss, it seems to have an average MP5 like rate of fire. But if IW does let the Kriss go all out, it'll be revenge of the pwned when people get a hold of it. Take that noob tubers! Have some .45 slugs in the face!--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 16:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Hey man, the noob tube is awesome.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

::People who hates tubers are just gamers. Sure I get off when I get hit in the face by an M203, but hell, I use one too. It's a very good field weapon. In combat, there is no such thing as cheap shot. There's hit and miss. Even in games, if you killed a guy, it's a kill, doesn't matter how you did it, unless you used cheats, but I use the M203 all the time, and 2 shells is what you get in multiplayer, so quit complaining, those on the recieving end of my tube. Now the P90 was a widely used gun for noobs cause of it's high ROF and mag capacity and with the slight of hand perk, you can reload the faster than you could in real life[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::People who complain about tubes in modern games don't remember the days of real noob-tubes, back when the 203 was your alt fire, had realistically-sized splash and had a zero arming distance, and a newbie could easily end a game with a positive score just by firing it point-blank whenever they had more than one person in front of them. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I agree i just hate the loss of a perk its better than juggernaut.--[[User:Panther61DC08|Panther61DC08]] 20:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

::ANYTHING is better then juggernaut man. And yeah, I use the M203 from time to time, but people who use it constantly should really just go sit down.--[[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 18:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Most online gamers are idiots who most likely don't know the difference between a bullet and a bolt carrier, so they're going to label anyone who kills them a [insert gun name here] noob. If you kill them with an M4, you're an M4 noob. If you kill them with a P90, you're a P90 noob. If you kill them with a shotgun, you're a shotgun noob. It never ends. The point of playing a game is to have fun, so I'm gonna use what I like to use (including the 203) regardless of what everyone else thinks about it. If I nail some tit in the face with a 40 mike-mike, they can whine and cry "noob tuber" all f'n day, it isn't going to change that I put a 40 mike-mike into their face. Only thing about me is that I can do it from a block away (an in-game block, I mean), rather than at point blank. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]
:I have a Class that it's specialty is to piss people off. Yes, i am a asshole. BUT, i am a professional asshole.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
== HK416? ==

Possible HK416-

The SAS guy with the Mohawk & Glock @ 0:30 of the reveal trailer seems to carry something resembling an HK416 (Notice the rear H&K hallmark diopter sights...).
--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 15:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thats actually Soap. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

that is either the M4 or M468(most likely an M4)

Why would they add the HK 416? Internally it's far superior to the M4, but as far as video games go they're virtually the same.

==FN P90==
Why haven't anyone added the P90? It has been confirmed and in the E3 trailer there was a pickup icon for the P90 and it said "Press # to ick up P90"
:Did you miss [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2#FN_P90TR this?]-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Re-added ==
Hey evryone Activision has decided to re-add the Call of Duty prefix back to the Modern Warfare 2 title making the game now being called: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, instead of just Modern Warfare 2? Actvision added the Call of Duty prefix because of the lowered awareness of the Call of Duty series [[User:Drjuki|Drjuki]] 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:So we're changing the name again on this site? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::The changing is not official yet. They're still calling the game "''Modern Warfare 2''" (source: [http://kotaku.com/5315981/infinity-ward-talks-modern-warfare-2-43-stories-up]). In fact, nobody at Activision or Infinty Ward ever called the game "''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2''", search any quotes you want. Also, the hardened and prestiges editions (collector versions) don't have "''Call of Duty''" on their boxes.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 14:40, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

== Walther WA2000 ==
Does someone has an ingame picture of this game, because I doubt its presence in the game. And there is no use for a weapon to be listed if there is no proof.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 17:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
:I strongly concur with Phantom. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Behold, a really, really silly bundle: ==

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219720

I can understand doing that for something like a ''Splinter Cell'' bundle (sorta), but... [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

:I'm so getting that... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

== Cover Restoration ==
Does anyone have any unique or expensive software to put this image on the front page?

[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Cover.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Original]]
[[Image:Modern Warfare 2 Final.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The best I could do.]]

It's not the standard edition box.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 15:06, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

== SPAS-12? ==
Do you think this shotgun is a SPAS-12? Since we were shown that there is one in this level during a gameplay demo, it could be possible.
[[Image:MW2shotgunspa.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

its a FAMAS- the folded bipod

:Nope, it's a WA2000

::The Walther WA2000 has a "skeletal" look to it and is a bolt-action sniper rifle. This image shows the weapon having a pump gauge at the bottom, meaning that it must be some sort of shotgun, as opposed to the WA2000's bolt-action. <s>Besides, I may be mistaken since I don't pay much attention to the FAMAS, but the last time I checked, the FAMAS didn't have a folding stock.</s> --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't see that you meant "bipod", not "stock". I don't see the point in the FAMAS having one of those, either. --[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 04:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

It's not a shotgun, the "handgrip" is too long to be a pump like you were saying, i agree with the fact that it is a WA2000, it has the same front end and flash hider as the walther. By the way, the walther can be either semi or bolt action.

yeah i think its a Wa200 too, you can even see a fat ol' scope and a bipod on it. look real close for the scope.

Now that I think about it, it looks more of a WA200, if not a SPAS-12, and it is definitely not a FAMAS. And please, fellas, sign your edits. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 17:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== Confirmed Weapons ==
Could someone tell me where those weapons were confirmed?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Which one?--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 18:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::All of them. But if you can only confirm only one, then confirm the MD3.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 18:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::For the Imbel, I think it's almost sure. It has the look, it's Brazil... But it can still be a FAL... For the others like G36, Walter WA2000 or HK416, I will delete them until they provide us screenshots or other proofs that these weapons will be in the game. They think because modernwarfare247.com has listed them, it will be in the game but it's just a fansite, not an official one, and they don't have ingame screens to prove like us.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 20:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, the Imbel Makes sense to be in the game.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::The forearm looks more like an Imbel than a FAL too.--[[User:PhantomT1412|PhantomT1412]] 11:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this help on the FAL?
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Fal_online_vid.png
[[User:Hoot471|Hoot471]]
:HELL YES. Thank god there is a FAL in this. And, yes that helps on the FN FAL.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
==M4==

The M4 used in the game had been confirmed as a Bushmaster M4. According to one of the guys working on MW2 he has told in the Call of Duty wikia that the M4 is a Bushmaster M4.... Could someone add that??

wheres the proof?

==Winchester 1887==

No way this is a winchester 1887, you have to out of your mind to think that.
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:MW2Winch1887.jpg
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:Winchester1887shotgun.jpg

yeah dude there's one in there, it must be like a cheat code to get it but there is a picture.

I dough you need a cheat code to get it as the enemy you can kill and take their weapons have it.
Also it could be the Chinese copy.

== Don't debate on the page ==

Stop debating on the page do it in here that's what it is for.