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Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

2012-09-11T17:36:56Z

Ikuturso: /* Various guns from the mansion */

Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

2012-09-11T17:35:48Z

Ikuturso: /* Various guns from the mansion */

Talk:The Winter War

2012-09-10T20:32:02Z

Ikuturso: /* Molotov Cocktail? */

==Husqvarna M/1907==
Just a trivia..That particular gun was very long-lasting. My father did his military service as a NCO in the early 70's and he carried one of them. Either the Swedish Army was cheap or the gun was effective enough to last that long :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 10:40, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
:One of the benefits of being a neutral country I guess. Stuff doesn't wear out as quickly. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:00, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::About 90,000 were produced in Sweden. In 1940 M/1907 was officially replaced by Lahti L35 as a service pistol but in 1980s Lahti were withdrawn from service and M/07 brought back for a decade - the last appearance of this honored, though unappreciated pistol. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 11:07, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

:True I guess :) Though the M1911 pistol was used in the US Army until the 80's I think :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 11:18, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

::By the way, speaking of the M/07 being replaced in Sweden. That too would explain why Finland got a few M/07's. Sweden probably didnt sell Finland the latest stuff but kept that for herself in case of war which I understand. :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 11:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

== Tokarev TT-33 Pistol ==

After closer inspection (especially a scene I had forgotten about) I'm now sure the pistol that the actor is carrying actually a Tokarev TT-33 rather than my previously suggested FN Browning 1903 / Husqvarna. I saw a backside view of the gun and noticed there was a hammer and a large rear-sight, both of which aren't really a feature of the 1903. I was probably fooled by the fact that the 1903 and the Tokarev look almost identical at a distance. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 12:23, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

[[Image:Colt_Model_1903.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless Pistol Blued - .32 ACP]]

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|600px|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]

:Wow. I just noticed those two guns look insanely alike. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 12:51, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

::Fooled me as well. Luckily I took an extra view of the Winter War DVD and caught the fact that the movie-gun had a hammer unlike the original gun. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:07, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

== Article is now (almost) complete ==

I took the liberty of removing the "incomplete" tag as the article is now 99% finished. I need to find a good pair of Russian Mosin-nagant rifle screenshots from the movie to put up which I'll do in a few days. By the way, are hand-grenades a requirement entry for an article? I've left it alone so far but I could probably add two entries. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:11, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
:If the grenades are distinguishable, then why not? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:05, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

== M/28, not M/39 ==

Hey, nice screenshots and a good article, but I'd like to note that the rifles used by the main character Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä) and also at least in one scene by 2nd lt Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) are actually M/28's (or possibly the upgraded version, M/28-30), and not M/39's. The M/28 was a variant of the Mosin-Nagant designed by the White Guard. Many White Guard memebers brought their self-acquired M/28's (among other things like uniforms) with them when the Finnish army was mobilized in the fall of 1939, and this is portrayed also in the movie. Only a handful of M/39's had been made when the Winter War began, and any further production was halted in favor of manufacturing parts for older Mosin-Nagant rifles. The most common Mosin-Nagant in the hands of Finnish soldiers in Winter War was the old M/91, which I believe is also portrayed in this movie. --[[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]]

::Hey man! If you got better ID for those rifles by all means go for it! :) I dont mind! I've just gone by what I've can find via google. If I'm wrong I got no prob with being proven me wrong :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 16:01, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

:::Sorry to hijack this thread. Just some hair-splitting. The Hakala brothers clearly have improved m/28-30 rifles. It's distinguished from the m/28 by the improved Mansner pattern rear sight with a blocky base and straight sight leaf. I couldn't miss it since I grew up handling my grandpa's m/28-30. --[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

== Molotov Cocktail, anyone? ==

I'm new here, so this might be off-topic. The Molotov cocktails that appeared in the movie were actually official mass-produced weapons, thus possibly qualifying for IMFDB (incendiary grenades?). As mentioned in the movie, they were industrially produced by the Alko distillery in Rajamäki. These differ from the usual improvised Molotov Cocktails by having two long "Bengali sticks" (storm-proof matchsticks) fixed on the bottle--[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:31, 10 September 2012 (EDT).

Talk:The Winter War

2012-09-10T20:31:30Z

Ikuturso:

==Husqvarna M/1907==
Just a trivia..That particular gun was very long-lasting. My father did his military service as a NCO in the early 70's and he carried one of them. Either the Swedish Army was cheap or the gun was effective enough to last that long :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 10:40, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
:One of the benefits of being a neutral country I guess. Stuff doesn't wear out as quickly. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:00, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::About 90,000 were produced in Sweden. In 1940 M/1907 was officially replaced by Lahti L35 as a service pistol but in 1980s Lahti were withdrawn from service and M/07 brought back for a decade - the last appearance of this honored, though unappreciated pistol. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] 11:07, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

:True I guess :) Though the M1911 pistol was used in the US Army until the 80's I think :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 11:18, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

::By the way, speaking of the M/07 being replaced in Sweden. That too would explain why Finland got a few M/07's. Sweden probably didnt sell Finland the latest stuff but kept that for herself in case of war which I understand. :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 11:19, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

== Tokarev TT-33 Pistol ==

After closer inspection (especially a scene I had forgotten about) I'm now sure the pistol that the actor is carrying actually a Tokarev TT-33 rather than my previously suggested FN Browning 1903 / Husqvarna. I saw a backside view of the gun and noticed there was a hammer and a large rear-sight, both of which aren't really a feature of the 1903. I was probably fooled by the fact that the 1903 and the Tokarev look almost identical at a distance. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 12:23, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

[[Image:Colt_Model_1903.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless Pistol Blued - .32 ACP]]

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|600px|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]

:Wow. I just noticed those two guns look insanely alike. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 12:51, 10 August 2012 (CDT)

::Fooled me as well. Luckily I took an extra view of the Winter War DVD and caught the fact that the movie-gun had a hammer unlike the original gun. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:07, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

== Article is now (almost) complete ==

I took the liberty of removing the "incomplete" tag as the article is now 99% finished. I need to find a good pair of Russian Mosin-nagant rifle screenshots from the movie to put up which I'll do in a few days. By the way, are hand-grenades a requirement entry for an article? I've left it alone so far but I could probably add two entries. [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 13:11, 11 August 2012 (CDT)
:If the grenades are distinguishable, then why not? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:05, 11 August 2012 (CDT)

== M/28, not M/39 ==

Hey, nice screenshots and a good article, but I'd like to note that the rifles used by the main character Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä) and also at least in one scene by 2nd lt Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) are actually M/28's (or possibly the upgraded version, M/28-30), and not M/39's. The M/28 was a variant of the Mosin-Nagant designed by the White Guard. Many White Guard memebers brought their self-acquired M/28's (among other things like uniforms) with them when the Finnish army was mobilized in the fall of 1939, and this is portrayed also in the movie. Only a handful of M/39's had been made when the Winter War began, and any further production was halted in favor of manufacturing parts for older Mosin-Nagant rifles. The most common Mosin-Nagant in the hands of Finnish soldiers in Winter War was the old M/91, which I believe is also portrayed in this movie. --[[User:Elbastardo1891|Elbastardo1891]]

::Hey man! If you got better ID for those rifles by all means go for it! :) I dont mind! I've just gone by what I've can find via google. If I'm wrong I got no prob with being proven me wrong :) [[User:Dudster32|Dudster32]] 16:01, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

:::Sorry to hijack this thread. Just some hair-splitting. The Hakala brothers clearly have improved m/28-30 rifles. It's distinguished from the m/28 by the improved Mansner pattern rear sight with a blocky base and straight sight leaf. I couldn't miss it since I grew up handling my grandpa's m/28-30. --[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:17, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

== Molotov Cocktail? ==

I'm new here, so this might be off-topic. The Molotov cocktails that appeared in the movie were actually official mass-produced weapons, thus possibly qualifying for IMFDB (incendiary grenades?). As mentioned in the movie, they were industrially produced by the Alko distillery in Rajamäki. These differ from the usual improvised Molotov Cocktails by having two long "Bengali sticks" (storm-proof matchsticks) fixed on the bottle--[[User:Ikuturso|Ikuturso]] ([[User talk:Ikuturso|talk]]) 16:31, 10 September 2012 (EDT).

Talk:The Winter War

2012-09-10T20:17:13Z

Ikuturso: /* M/28, not M/39 */

Talk:The Winter War

2012-09-10T20:14:08Z

Ikuturso: /* M/28, not M/39 */

The Winter War

2012-09-10T20:02:10Z

Ikuturso: /* Finnish M/28-30 Civil Guard Mosin-Nagant Rifle */

[[File:Talvisota.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Winter War'' (1989)]]

'''The Winter War (Talvisota)''' is a Finnish movie from 1989. The film begins with the mobilization of the Finnish Army in October 1939 and ends on 13th of March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. We follow a few soldiers from their mobilization through the trench warfare and massive Soviet artillery barrages until their surrender. It's the most costly Finnish film to date and its historically very accurate considering they interviewed Finnish veterans prior to the filming.

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'''The following guns were used in the movie The Winter War:'''

==Handguns==
===Mauser C96===
The holster of a [[Mauser C96]] can be seen on the belt of a Finnish officer in few scenes.
[[Image:C96STOCK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser fitted with holster/stock combo - 7.63x25mm.]]
[[Image:WinterWarmauser96B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Finnish Company officer on an inspection of the trenches with his Mauser holster.]]

===Luger P08===
The [[Luger P08]] makes an apperance at the end of the movie in the hands of a Finnish officer.
[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm (1917).]]
[[Image:Winterwarlugerp08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Finnish officer summarily executes a wounded Russian soldier.]]

===Tokarev TT-33 Pistol===
2nd Lieutenant Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) carries a Russian [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]]
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|400px|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev.]]
[[Image:WinterWarPistol.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|2nd Lieutenant Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) on the right is seen thawing his pistol near the stove so it can function properly. During the Winter War (Dec 1939 - March 1940) the cold was a major concern. The temperatures often dropped to -40 degrees C. (-40ºF).]]
[[Image:WinterWarPistol3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|A rear-view of the pistol. Note the hammer and very large rear sight.]]
[[Image:WinterwarT33.jpg|600px|thumb|none|600px|Jussi Kantola (Vesa Vierikko) is seen firing his TT-33 at the Russians during closequarter fighting.]]

==Rifles==
===Mosin Nagant M1891/30===
[[Image:M9130.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Full-length, Soviet Mosin Nagant M91/30 - 7.62x54R]]
The [[Mosin Nagant]] M1891/30 is the main rifle used by Red Army soldiers throughout the film. The rifle is also seen in the hands of some Finnish soldiers. Historically the Finnish Army during the war had a severe lack of equipment and weapons and they used Russian weapons whenever practible.

===Finnish M/28-30 Civil Guard Mosin-Nagant Rifle===
The main character of the movie, Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä), his brother Paavo (Konsta Mäkelä), and a few other characters are members of Suojeluskunta ("Civil Guard", also known as "White Guard"), a voluntary militia and training organisation for reservists. In the beginning of the movie, the Hakala brothers are seen leaving their home as the Finnish army mobilizes, and they bring with them their own M/28-30 rifles. The M/28-30 was a Mosin-Nagant variant designed by the White Guards, and can be distinguished from other Mosin-Nagant rifles by their distinctive foresight guards and shorter stocks, among other things. It is similar to the M/27 Infantry Rifle adopted earlier by the Finnish Army, the main differences being the barrel band design, which is a single piece compared to the M/27's hinged band, and an improved trigger design. A major improvement over its Civil Guard predecessor, the m/28, was the straight Mansner rear sight and screw-adjustable front sight.
[[Image:WinterWarMosinNagant2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä) fires his M/28-30 at the advancing Russians.]]
[[Image:WinterWarMosinNagant3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Hakala brothers: Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä) and Paavo Hakala (Konsta Mäkelä) with their M/28-30 rifles during a lull in the fighting. Note the blocky rear sight base and straight rear sight leaf of the m/28-30. ]]
[[Image:WinterWarMosinNagant4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sideview of the M/28-30 rifle.]]

===Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle===
[[Image:SVT-40.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle - Soviet World War 2 Semi Automatic Rifle chambered for 7.62x54R ]]
The [[Tokarev SVT-40 Rifle]] is seen in the hands of both Russian and Finnish soldiers, the latter usage was historically correct due to a lack of equipment and weapons on the Finnish side. In reality, the Red Army used the older version, SVT-38, in Winter War, and SVT-40 did not enter service until July 1940, several months after the end of the conflict. However, since SVT-38 is a much rarer weapon, it's understandable that the SVT-40 is being used as a "stand-in" for it.
[[Image:WinterWarSVT40.jpg|thumb|none|600px| A Finnish soldier using the SVT-40. For some reason the soldier is seen sliding the bolt back manually after each shot, eventhough the weapon is a semi-automatic. It might have something to do with the weapon firing blanks.]]

==Submachinegun==
===Suomi KP/-31===
The standard SMG of the Finnish Army was the [[Suomi KP/-31]] and it is frequently seen during the movie.
[[Image:SuomiM31.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Suomi M/31 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:WinterWarSMG2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Erkki Somppi (Antti Raivio) fires his Suomi SMG.]]
[[Image:WinterWarSmg3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view of the Suomi SMG.]]
[[Image:Winterwarsmg6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frontal view of the SMG.]]

==Light machine gun==
===Lahti-Saloranta LS/26===
[[Lahti-Saloranta LS/26]], the standard light machine gun of the Finnish army in that period, is used by the Finnish soldiers.
[[Image:Lahtim26.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lahti-Saloranta LS/26 - 7.62mmx54Russian]]
[[Image:WinterWarLahti.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Finnish soldier firing his "Lahti". Note the magazine on the ground. It seems to be loaded with live rounds, or possible "disabled" rounds with no powder and/or blasting cap but with a genuine projectile attached.]]

===Degtyaryov Dp-27/28===
The [[Degtyaryov DP Series Machine Gun|DP LMG]] is used by both the Red Army soldiers and the Finnish soldiers.
[[Image:DP-28.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Degtyarev DP-28 machine gun, 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:WinterWarDPLMG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Russian soldier with his DP during an attack on Finnish trenches.]]
[[Image:WinterWarDp1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Finnish soldier seen using the DP during an advance on the Russians.]]

==Finnish stick hand grenade M/32==
The Finnish soldiers during the move make good use of the stick hand grenade M/32.
[[Image:WinterWarMosinNagant3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Hakala brothers: Martti Hakala (Taneli Mäkelä) and Paavo Hakala (Konsta Mäkelä) with a Finnish stick-hand grenade in the foreground. ]]

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User:Ikuturso

2012-09-10T19:20:06Z

Ikuturso:

Born in 1975, Finnish military service 1995-96.
Shooting sports: practical pistol, rifle and shotgun, SRA, UIT pistol, black powder, vintage service rifle.
Grouse hunting with bark-pointing Spitz.
Profession: Gunsmith, currently working in Switzerland.