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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:American_Dragons&amp;diff=397255</id>
		<title>Talk:American Dragons</title>
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		<updated>2011-03-07T22:07:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==686==&lt;br /&gt;
He most likely switches to the 686 because he his &amp;quot;Swock&amp;quot; isn't that great-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Similar?==&lt;br /&gt;
Has anyone noticed how similar these two scenes are? (Look at his face) Taurus96 18:18, 28 September, 2010&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TERMSE_SIDEA-35.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Kyle fires his sawn-off Ithaca 37 at the Tech Noir nightclub in [[The Terminator]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:AD-92F-4.jpg|thumb|550px|none|Luca fires the suppressed Beretta 92FS in [[American Dragons]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Compact== &lt;br /&gt;
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Looks like a stainless Beretta Bobcat 21A to me. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Jesse_Stone:_No_Remorse&amp;diff=396535</id>
		<title>Talk:Jesse Stone: No Remorse</title>
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		<updated>2011-03-05T03:18:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: Created page with &amp;quot;Jessie is using the Gunsite Edition of the S&amp;amp;W 1911SC --humanzie3&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Jessie is using the Gunsite Edition of the S&amp;amp;W 1911SC --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Captain_America:_The_First_Avenger&amp;diff=394651</id>
		<title>Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger</title>
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		<updated>2011-02-28T19:07:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I changed the trench gun entry as it is used by a character called Dum Dum Dugan. He is played by Neil McDonough of band of brothers, on another note im so glad Cap is acking a 1911 as his sidearm--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Captain America wouldn't be American if he didn't pack a .45 --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 14:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also think the rag tag group of allied troups with the 'custom' weapons are the howling commando's but thats probably for a geekier site--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If that is Dum Dum Dugan then it is the &amp;quot;Howling Commandos&amp;quot;.  Whether or not Nick Fury makes an appearance is the other question. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Fury is listed on the cast as Jackson has signed for a 9 picture deal with marvel but i dont think we'll be getting sgt fury tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It has been confirmed by the producer that the Howling commandos do feature, and confirmed that Gabe Jones (I believe played by Derek Luke if the rumours are correct) will make an appearance in the film. I would guess that the guy next to Cap with the Thompson is Dino Manelli, and strongly suspect that the guy in the beret with the Sten is Percival &amp;quot;Pinky&amp;quot; Pinkerton. EDIT: Don't think it is Pinky actually, as Union Jack is in the film played by JJ Field, so I reckon they have amalgamated The Invaders and The Howling Commandos.   --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the Asian guy with the knit cap carrying the custom gun is Jim Morita.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::the CHARACTER's name is Jim Morita, which would probably imply that he is a Nisei (Japanese American GI fighting in Europe).  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If i remeber correctly he was the leader of a Nisei squadron till he joined Fury's howling commando's --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The one next to Cap holding the Thompson is Bucky. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Boy oh boy I can't wait to see Hugo Weaving as the Red Skull. Here's hoping we see him with a Luger or a C96. -- K[[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 14:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Captain_America:_The_First_Avenger&amp;diff=394650</id>
		<title>Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger</title>
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		<updated>2011-02-28T19:07:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I changed the trench gun entry as it is used by a character called Dum Dum Dugan. He is played by Neil McDonough of band of brothers, on another note im so glad Cap is acking a 1911 as his sidearm--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Captain America wouldn't be American if he didn't pack a .45 --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 14:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also think the rag tag group of allied troups with the 'custom' weapons are the howling commando's but thats probably for a geekier site--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If that is Dum Dum Dugan then it is the &amp;quot;Howling Commandos&amp;quot;.  Whether or not Nick Fury makes an appearance is the other question. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Fury is listed on the cast as Jackson has signed for a 9 picture deal with marvel but i dont think we'll be getting sgt fury tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It has been confirmed by the producer that the Howling commandos do feature, and confirmed that Gabe Jones (I believe played by Derek Luke if the rumours are correct) will make an appearance in the film. I would guess that the guy next to Cap with the Thompson is Dino Manelli, and strongly suspect that the guy in the beret with the Sten is Percival &amp;quot;Pinky&amp;quot; Pinkerton. EDIT: Don't think it is Pinky actually, as Union Jack is in the film played by JJ Field, so I reckon they have amalgamated The Invaders and The Howling Commandos.   --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the Asian guy with the knit cap carrying the custom gun is Jim Morita.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::the CHARACTER's name is Jim Morita, which would probably imply that he is a Nisei (Japanese American GI fighting in Europe).  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If i remeber correctly he was the leader of a Nisei squadron till he joined Fury's howling commando's --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The one next to Cap holding the Thompson is Bucky. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]C&lt;br /&gt;
Boy oh boy I can't wait to see Hugo Weaving as the Red Skull. Here's hoping we see him with a Luger or a C96. -- K[[Special:Contributions/98.118.59.151|98.118.59.151]] 14:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Captain_America:_The_First_Avenger&amp;diff=385908</id>
		<title>Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger</title>
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		<updated>2011-02-08T02:25:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I changed the trench gun entry as it is used by a character called Dum Dum Dugan. He is played by Neil McDonough of band of brothers, on another note im so glad Cap is acking a 1911 as his sidearm--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Captain America wouldn't be American if he didn't pack a .45 --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 14:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also think the rag tag group of allied troups with the 'custom' weapons are the howling commando's but thats probably for a geekier site--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:If that is Dum Dum Dugan then it is the &amp;quot;Howling Commandos&amp;quot;.  Whether or not Nick Fury makes an appearance is the other question. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Fury is listed on the cast as Jackson has signed for a 9 picture deal with marvel but i dont think we'll be getting sgt fury tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It has been confirmed by the producer that the Howling commandos do feature, and confirmed that Gabe Jones (I believe played by Derek Luke if the rumours are correct) will make an appearance in the film. I would guess that the guy next to Cap with the Thompson is Dino Manelli, and strongly suspect that the guy in the beret with the Sten is Percival &amp;quot;Pinky&amp;quot; Pinkerton. EDIT: Don't think it is Pinky actually, as Union Jack is in the film played by JJ Field, so I reckon they have amalgamated The Invaders and The Howling Commandos.   --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the Asian guy with the knit cap carrying the custom gun is Jim Morita.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::the CHARACTER's name is Jim Morita, which would probably imply that he is a Nisei (Japanese American GI fighting in Europe).  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The one next cap holding the Thompson is Bucky. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
If i remeber correctly he was the leader of a Nisei squadron till he joined Fury's howling commando's --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Dexter&amp;diff=385444</id>
		<title>Talk:Dexter</title>
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		<updated>2011-02-06T14:59:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: New page: Masuka uses a S&amp;amp;W 629 performance center in the bowling lanes parking lot not a colt python. humanzie3&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Masuka uses a S&amp;amp;W 629 performance center in the bowling lanes parking lot not a colt python. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Mechanic_(2011)&amp;diff=383213</id>
		<title>Talk:The Mechanic (2011)</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-31T05:52:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* THIS MOVIE */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Unidentified Weapons==&lt;br /&gt;
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A thug threatens McKenna with a pistol before being subdued. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seecamp LWS-32 .32 ACP. my best guess [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== McKenna's 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it me or does it look like the 1911 McKenna is using is the engraved one that is used in Supernatural and Machette? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's similiar, but both of the ones you mentioned are heavily engraved, especially De Niro's. The pistol from this film just has a phrase on either side of the slide. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==hitmen in movies==&lt;br /&gt;
in this version it look like there assanations are the run in and shoot the place to pieces. is the original he tried to make it look like an an accident first&lt;br /&gt;
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well they only show three hits . the one in the pool , which is totaly ninja , the one where the gas station blows, an accident and then the all out brawl in the street , and being that they killed his mentor and father, i would hit em hard also . and being that they are aware of the hitmans presence , the sneek atack isnt an option. [[User: Simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==THIS MOVIE==&lt;br /&gt;
is gonna be total crap, I promise. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 18:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Impossible, it stars Jason Statham. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 11:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This movie... was not crap. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Barret==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Ben Foster]] is the one firing it right.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yup, he decimates a cinder block in short order. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Couch Gun==&lt;br /&gt;
For those who've seen the movie, at one point a character draws a pistol from the inside of a couch. Anyone catch what it was? It was lightning fast, but I'm thinking Glock 19. Hopefully someone can confirm. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought it was a SIG, id say 226 or 228 as I think i remember it having a hammer, dont quote me on that tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Punisher_(2004)&amp;diff=381367</id>
		<title>Talk:The Punisher (2004)</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-25T18:59:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Now because I'm so nice, I've added screencaps of the Knives and Cars used in the film. Since I know little about either, feel free to add your own knowledge and such. With the cars, I only added the ones used by main characters, random cars passing by weren't a big deal. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
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'''The following knifes were used in the film:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Cutlery of ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]''==&lt;br /&gt;
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===Butterfly Knife===&lt;br /&gt;
Castle takes a butterfly knife off of Joan's ex-boyfriend and uses it through out the film, notably when fighting The Russian, who turns it against him and stabs him in the shoulder. [[Thomas Jane]] was taught how to do tricks with the knife, and cleary was taught well, as he flawlessly spins the knife in the film several times.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherButterflyknife-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;You shouldn't play with knives.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherButterflyknife-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle grabs for the butterfly knife when fighting The Russian.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherbutterflyknife-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle stabs the Russian with the knife, which appears to inflict no pain on him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherButterflyknife-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Russian pulls the knife from his shoulder and it is cleary feeding into the hilt, pushed a spring.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherButterflyknife-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Russian stabs Castle with the knife.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Kitchen Knife===&lt;br /&gt;
Some simple kitchens knives are used in the film. Castle Sr. uses one to stab a hitter in the back and Joan is seen holding one when her ex-boyfriend is trying to get into her apartment.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherkitchenknife-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. prepares to stab with the kitchen knife.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherkitchenknife-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. stabs the hitter with the kitchen knife.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherKitchenknife-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joan holds a kitchen knife in her apartment.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Spring-loaded Launching Stiletto===&lt;br /&gt;
When Harry Heck totals Castle's car, he pulls a Stiletto Knife from his ankle, which Heck remarks, &amp;quot;You are one dumb sonavabitch, bringin' a knife to a gunfight,&amp;quot; to which Castle responds by launching the blade from the knife into Heck's throat. While ballistic knives do exist in real life and work somewhat well, they have much stronger springs to accurately launch the blade, while the spring strength in a modified stilleto would not likely work as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Punisherlaunchingstilleto-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle aims the blade launching Stiletto.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherlaunchingstilleto-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle aims his blade launching Stiletto.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherlaunchingstilleto-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires the blade at Heck.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherlaunchingstilleto-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The knife hits Heck in the throat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Emerson Combat Karambit===&lt;br /&gt;
Castle uses a Emerson Karambit tiger-claw style folding blade with a satin finish to kill a thug in Saint's club.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherTigerClaw-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies the Karambit.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Spyderco Harpy===&lt;br /&gt;
A half serrated Spyderco Harpy folder is used by Lincoln and turned against him by Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks too big to be a Harpy. It is probably a Civilian, or perhaps a different Spyderco Hawkbill style knife.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a Civilian. It's fully serrated as well. (most likely it would do considerably more damage against thin cheek flesh.)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherTigerClaw-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln struggles to stop Castle from using his Spyderco Harpy against him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Paper Cutter===&lt;br /&gt;
Caslte unhooks a Paper Cutter blade from its base and uses it to kill one of the thugs guarding the apartment.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherpapercutter-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle examines the paper cutter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherPapercutter-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with the paper cutter blade.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherpapercutter-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle swings the blade into the thug's head. Here you can clearly see how graphic the scene originally was going to be before the MPAA got their hands on it.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherpapercutter-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The paper cutter blade gets stuck in the thug's head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Stilleto Knife===&lt;br /&gt;
Howard Saint pulls out a Stilleto knife as he tells Quintin Glass how Jim Bowie used to throw a knife to the ground and fight someone if they declared he was cheating. Accusing Glass of cheating with his wife (which Castle had tricked Saint into believing), he stabs Glass to death with the knife.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherStilletoknife-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint pops open the Stilleto Knife.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherStilletoknife-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint throws the Stilleto down.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherStilletoknife-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint stabs Glass with his Stilleto.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherstilletoknife-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint stabs Glass multiple times with his Stilleto.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cold Steel Warhead===&lt;br /&gt;
Castle uses two Cold Steel Warhead knives to kill Lincoln, first pinning his hand to his hip, than thrusting a knife through his chin into his brain.&lt;br /&gt;
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These arn't really cold steel knives it's this one brand that I really want to know.&lt;br /&gt;
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They could be Strider Knives, they look similar to the MT models, heres a link. [http://www.striderknives.com/site/index.php?page=shop.product_details&amp;amp;flypage=shop.flypage&amp;amp;product_id=42&amp;amp;category_id=1&amp;amp;manufacturer_id=0&amp;amp;option=com_virtuemart&amp;amp;Itemid=26] Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Punisherknife-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pins Lincoln's hand to his hip with an Cold Steel Warhead knife.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherKnife-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle shoves his second Warhead blade into Lincoln's chin into his brain. It is a neat gag how the knife is actually seen through his mouth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Punisherknife-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln falls dead.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Vehicles of [[The Punisher (2004)]]==&lt;br /&gt;
'''The following cars were used in ''The Punisher (2004)'':'''&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pontiac GTO===&lt;br /&gt;
Castle uses a Pontiac GTO as his vehicle. The liscense plate reads &amp;quot;Year One&amp;quot;, the company who built the car. It does ''not'' mean any reference to the fact the film is based on the &amp;quot;Year One&amp;quot; comic.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PunisherGTO-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note &amp;quot;Year One&amp;quot; liscense plate.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PunisherGTO-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note how the guy driving is wearing a safety harness.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Plymouth Road Runner===&lt;br /&gt;
Harry Heck's car is a 1968 Plymouth Road Runner. Most easily distinguished from the front end and the nonfunctional &amp;quot;hood scoops&amp;quot; on the hood. Though this could've been a redressed Belvedere, Satellite, Coronet, or Superbee, which along with the Road Runner and GTX were essentially the same vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
 not a Dart[[Image:PunisherHHDodgedart-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck smashes into Castle's GTO with his Road Runner.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherHHDodgedart-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck pulls up to Castle's totaled GTO.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:PunisherHHdodgedart-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes Heck's car.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ford F-150 1981 Pickup===&lt;br /&gt;
John Saint drives a Red Ford F-150 1981 Pickup with Dante and Spoon riding in the back and Glass in the passenger's side. He uses it to run over Will and Maria Castle.&lt;br /&gt;
:Just two years older than my own Ford F150 I had up until a couple years ago. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:39, 26 December 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Triumph Daytona 500===&lt;br /&gt;
Castle hops on a Triumph in pursuit of the men chasing his wife and son.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PunisherCastleBike-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stunt Double.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chevy Blazer===&lt;br /&gt;
Maria Castle's Car.&lt;br /&gt;
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===1998 Corvette===&lt;br /&gt;
Mike Duka's car.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Reproduction Ford GT40===&lt;br /&gt;
A rubbish looking GT40 knockoff, barely resembles a REAL GT40, but passes as one to the casual viewer.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Shelby Cobra===&lt;br /&gt;
John Saint's Car.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PunisherShelbyCobra-duka'scar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pictured left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jaguar XK8===&lt;br /&gt;
Olivia Saint's car.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Bently Arnage===&lt;br /&gt;
Howard Saint's car.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jaguar XJR===&lt;br /&gt;
Quinten Glass' Car&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ford Mustang===&lt;br /&gt;
Jimmy Weeks' car is a 2004 Ford Mustang, seen in the extended cut only.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Taxi Cab===&lt;br /&gt;
Dave is driven home from the hospital in a typical Taxi Cab. Looks to be a Chevy Lumina.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Stevens 311==&lt;br /&gt;
Recent observation seems to suggest that the double barrels are not Stevens 311s. Looking at the lower part of the receiver right were it meets the foregrip, there should be large indentations as seen in the Stevens picture, yet they aren't present.&lt;br /&gt;
:Re-read the article, they have been determined to be Spanish Eibar copies, which don't feature the indentations. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Alright then, you think the notion in the paragraph is enough, or should the heading be changed to reflect that? [[User-RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Specials ==&lt;br /&gt;
Where's the Special footage from? I got the extended DVD, it doesn't have that.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
:The special footage comes from the original theatrical release, actually. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I actually got that and never bothered to delete my question. I now have pretty much every version of every punisher film.-protoAuthor 00:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alias Same 1911 Custom ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Alias &amp;quot;Legacy&amp;quot; episode Michael Vartan uses a 1911 customized like the Punisher's pistols. The year of the episode is the same of the film: 2004. Maybe there is a connection... [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Totally just thought about this ==&lt;br /&gt;
:Because this picture is of Frank and his Delta buddies in the Gulf in '91, he would technically be holding a M727 or M723. God i have random thoughts. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Story-wise, yes. But production-wise, it could probably be the same M4 he used to shoot Saints and Sinners up, with the M203 removed, carry handle replaced, and fabric wrapping to cover the rail system. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yea thats what i ment. They do get 10 points for having the guys in that pic wear the ugly and oudated 8-color chocolate chip pattern. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1911 Action ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was watching this movie the other day and noticed every time Castle racks his 1911's slide while not in combat it looks like he flips a switch on the front of the slide where it meets the compensator. Any ideas on what he's actually doing? If someone needs a screencap for clarification I can upload one. -Mandaloin [[Special:Contributions/174.18.152.170|174.18.152.170]] 07:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like he is doing a &amp;quot;press check&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;brass check&amp;quot; to me. He grasps the front cocking serrations on the slide, pulls the slide back slightly to check to see if a round or brass is in the barrel. -Scott&lt;br /&gt;
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== Stand-alone launcher ==&lt;br /&gt;
Doesn't look like a cobray, but more like a K.A.S. system itself, the trigger and grip don't match the cobray style or placement, suggest revising.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's niether the Cobray or the KAC or Colt standalone system... It's an '''RM Equipment''' 203PI pistol(newer than the original top folding stock version, but older than the current side folding M4 stock)  Or more like the Tokyo Marui airsoft version.  http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/reviews/m203_pistol/m203_pistol_review.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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== Micro Uzi ==&lt;br /&gt;
Micro uzis have a side folding stock and a different trigger guard, these are semi auto uzi pistols converted to full auto.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Glock 18 ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm sure it was meant to be potrayed as a G18, but more than likely it wasn't.  Probably just a G17(without even an autosear to make it shoot like a G18).  Never seen a movie with a real G18...&lt;br /&gt;
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Matrix reloaded has a real glock 18&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1911 Compensators ==&lt;br /&gt;
Are these a real model of compensator or just a Hollywood prop?&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks real to me. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They look like the comp kit from kings gunworks.&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you mean are the compensators functional, the answer is no. Otherwise, the muzzle flash wouldn't be so huge (of course, the weapon is also firing full-flash motion picture blanks, which have more powder than live rounds). Compensators and suppressors are almost never functional in Hollywood movies; audiences like to see huge muzzle flashes. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, if they weren't functional, then why does the flash redirect upward at the porting? Doesn't that prove that the compensator is functional, otherwise the flash would extend forward only. Maybe if they were mounted on a real gun, the effect wouldn't be that noticeable, but real compensators aren't deemed compensators based on their quality, but by the very fact that they redirect gases upward, which these appear to be doing.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think you should understand that blanks give off no recoil to really affect the actor. The Compensators probably would work if the gun was firing live ammo and no blank adapted but in this movie, the purpose of the compensator is for the pretty muzzle flash that is caused from the blanks that are designed to give you more flash than real life gun shots. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Castle family in the &amp;quot;9mm vs. 45&amp;quot; debate... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a funny scene in the novel (and maybe the extended cut of the film, haven't seen it yet) where Frank makes a comment about his father's love of 1911s.  Frank Sr. responds something to the effect of:  &amp;quot;You may mock, my friend.  Just don't come crying to me when you shoot a crackhead full of 9mm and he responds by breaking your pissy little Glock over your head!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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It will most likely have been in the original script which is what novels are usually written from hence they have all the deleted scenes that didn't make it into either theatrical or directors cuts. Aliens is a very good example of this as it has the deleted scene where Ripley finds Burke and gives him a grenade to kill himself with. That scene is in neither the theatrical or the &amp;quot;special edition&amp;quot; director's cut. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 15:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Mossberg 500/Armscor ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm pretty sure the weapon listed as a Mossberg 500 is actually a cut down Armscor shotgun.  This notion was entertained awhile back with a small caption at the beginning of the listing, but it was taken down and never placed in here to properly be analyzed.  There are some additional movies that probably feature the same gun, but the only one I can remember was Red Dragon.  My arguments are these: first, the safety placement is on the front of the trigger guard, not behind the chamber, and secondly, there seems to be a checkered pattern imprinted on the bolt, both of which are unique features of Armscor shotguns.  Should the entry be changed? --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 04:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I found the shotgun in the ''1965 Gun Digest'' edition. It's a [[J.C. Higgins Model 20#J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe|J.C. Higgins Model 21]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:51, 11 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Seriously though ==&lt;br /&gt;
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WTF is up with guy? Every time I've seen this film, this bugs the shiz out of me [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 01:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Thomas Jane - Punisher Cap ==&lt;br /&gt;
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First: I dont know if this is the right place, if its not, im sorry.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sencond: Where can i buy the cap Thomas Jane is wearing?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Harry Heck's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
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The revolver that Harry Heck is using looks similar to the one that Fat Bastard used in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. It has the same placement of the front sight. It looks to be a Dan Wesson if not the same revolver from Austin Powers because the barrel looks a little different.   [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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: It's not an SP101.  The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame.  Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel.  Still think it's a Taurus though.  [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)&lt;br /&gt;
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I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.&lt;br /&gt;
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Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vatos==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&amp;amp;W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&amp;amp;W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
==Daryl's Crossbow==&lt;br /&gt;
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&amp;amp;cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode &amp;quot;Vatos&amp;quot;, when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was that an XD? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.&lt;br /&gt;
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That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick,  if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying. &lt;br /&gt;
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:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK heavy machine gun?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956&lt;br /&gt;
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Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not.  Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously.  Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Daryl's knife ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose. &lt;br /&gt;
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I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it). &lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rick's second shotgun.==&lt;br /&gt;
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After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&amp;amp;R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's indeed an H&amp;amp;R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well. &lt;br /&gt;
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We still have Merles bolt-action as well.&lt;br /&gt;
-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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This cap from the page will suffice:&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:&lt;br /&gt;
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:&lt;br /&gt;
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-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.&lt;br /&gt;
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.&lt;br /&gt;
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).&lt;br /&gt;
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&amp;amp;R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Think its funny==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....&lt;br /&gt;
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Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it. &lt;br /&gt;
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When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people.  An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot.  Zombies are different.&lt;br /&gt;
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also he has had weeks of shooting  live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==&lt;br /&gt;
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock&lt;br /&gt;
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::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Series Finale==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.&lt;br /&gt;
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2. &lt;br /&gt;
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 Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that &amp;quot;There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself.&amp;quot; And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?&lt;br /&gt;
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They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]&lt;br /&gt;
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first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== To Do List. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.&lt;br /&gt;
2. Morgans revolver.&lt;br /&gt;
3. Merles rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.&lt;br /&gt;
5. The gun given to Morales.&lt;br /&gt;
6. Daryls handgun.&lt;br /&gt;
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.&lt;br /&gt;
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.&lt;br /&gt;
9. Ricks second shotty.&lt;br /&gt;
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I miss anything?-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Short Season Huh?==&lt;br /&gt;
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At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....&lt;br /&gt;
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At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's definately already in production.  Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show.  Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies.  The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series. &lt;br /&gt;
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=Handguns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt Python==&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. He so far has used it the most in the pilot episode but has carried it through every episode so far and has fired in at least twice since, once in the attack in episode 4 as well as drawn it multiple times. He also briefly wields it in episode 5. Rick once again fires it as the group flee the CDC in Episode 6. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 Magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadGrimesPythonrp01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Python on the foreground, and Shane on the background with his Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick holds the Python on Daryl Dixon. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes holds the Python on Daryl Dixon in episode 5. (It seems that this is becoming a habit.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off. A Glock 17 is also taken by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) from Rick's gun bag to confront the Vatos in episode 4.Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) carries one as well as his duty sidearm, and is seen carrying it during the end of episode four, though he never fires it until Episode 6 when they are fleeing the CDC headquarters when he takes a shot on a zombie as they make a break for the vehicles. It can also be seen in Shane's hands in the opening flashback of episode 6 in the hospital. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17holsteredep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane keeps the Glock 17 holstered on his belt. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17ep04DD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daryl loads up a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. In episode four, Rick Grimes handles a black Sig with a silver barrel. Due to the angle, it's hard to tell if it's actually the larger P226.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) carries a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol and uses it to threaten fellow group members in the second episode. The weapon is taken forcefully, then used by Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he and Glenn make their way to the truck.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadHPMearle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the Hi-Power on T--Dog.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Beretta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack. In the opening flashback of Episode 6, Shane witnesses soldiers executing infected people with the Beretta in the hospital Rick is laying comatose in during the initial invasion.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913#Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) for his own protection when he and Rick make their way to the escape van, he does not fire it in the escape though. Andrea uses it in episode 5 to put her sister Amy down after she comes back as a walker.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot; - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Andrea points the S&amp;amp;W 3913 at Rick Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S&amp;amp;W 3913 from another angle. Note the safety is on. Later Rick Grimes gives Andrea a brief lesson on handling the gun and instructs her to take the safety off before firing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadLadySmith.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Andrea pulls the Ladysmith on Rick, and quips: '''I know how the safety works''', referring to when Rick noticed her about it. (Episode 5)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
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A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&amp;amp;W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Detective Special==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Colt Detective Special]] or two can be seen in the hands of the Vatos in episode 4 during the standoff in Atlanta, specifically Felipe ([[Noel G.]]). In episode 5, Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) offers a Colt from the bag to Jim who has been bitten to end himself, he declines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Colt_Detective_Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special (1st Generation) - .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Colt Detective Special]]) can be seen in the hands of Felipe ([[Noel G.]]) on the right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WDDetSpecial.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Felipe holds a Detective Special.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15==&lt;br /&gt;
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What appears to be a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]] is seen in the hands of one of Guillermo's right hand men, Jorge ([[James Gonzaba]]) in Episode 4 during the standoff.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]]) can possibly be seen in the hands of the gang member on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
During the standoff in episode four, Daryl Dixon has a handgun in the front of his waistband that is definitely not the Glock he loaded earlier on, having an external hammer, but the pistol seems to also have a different rear sight than the Sig featured in the earlier loading scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590==&lt;br /&gt;
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is first seen being used by Rick's partner, Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) during the shootout with the suspects in the overturned vehicle in the pilot episode just before Rick is wounded in the line of duty. The shotgun is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip. It appears again later in Shane's possession at the survivor camp and can notably be seen being used by Shane on the attacking Walkers at the camp in episode 4. He also uses (aims) it in episode 5, when he and Rick Grimes patrol the woods. Shane also loses his cool when trapped in the CDC Headquarters in Episode 6 and uses it to blow up some computer monitors but later uses it in an attempt to bust the glass to escape which fails. Once outside, Shane uses the Mossberg to blast down walkers as the group runs to the vehicles.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadShaneMossberg.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg in episode 5, when he is patrolling the woods with Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WDShaneMossberg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane fires his shotgun out of frustration (Episode 6).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can first be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in episode 4 of the series. He has it in his bag of guns from the police station that he initially lost in episode 1 but finally gets it back in episode 4 and uses this shotgun from the bag in the standoff with the gangsters but ends up giving it to their leader, Guillermo ([[Neil Brown Jr.]]) after the Vatos turn out to be doing a good thing.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadep04870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with a Mossberg 500 during the standoff in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500 Persuader==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is using the persuader version of the [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun from Rick's bag of guns. He is seen with it in episode 4 carrying it and then uses it on the siege on the camp by the walkers. In episode 5 it appears he still has it and carries it as the group make their way to the CDC Headquarters.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 &amp;quot;Persuader&amp;quot; with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge.  This is the most commonly produced version of the 500 series today.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 &amp;quot;Compact Cruiser&amp;quot; with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870 Wingmaster==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen in episode 1 in the house Rick stops at, Rick also has one in his bag of guns which ends up with Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) in episode 4 who uses it on the zombies attacking the camp.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Field Gun with raised barrel ribbing and 28&amp;quot; barrel - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is using a [[Remington 870]] with a synthetic stock from Rick's bag of guns in episode 4 during the standoff and on the walker's siege on the survivor camp. He appears to be carrying it still in episode 5 as the group make their way to the CDC. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) also appears to be using a Remington with a wood stock in the remainder of episode 4 to replace the Mossberg he gave to Guillermo. He fires it in the camp during the attack and then carries it as well throughout episode 5. Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) also carries a walnut-stock Remington 870 during the &amp;quot;switch&amp;quot; with the Vatos in episode four. He still carries it in episode 5, along with his crossbow.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style Black Synthetic Riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead870ep04DD.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Daryl Dixon with Remington 870 (Episode 4).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 11-87==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying what appears to be at least two [[Remington 11-87|Remington 11-87 Shotguns]] and other firearms in a duffle bag in the first episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Remington 11-87]] with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
==Unknown Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
Merle is seen firing an unknown bolt action rifle atop a building. Merle also uses the rifle to rifle butt T-Dog before it later turned against Merle by Rick.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ruger M77 Hawkeye==&lt;br /&gt;
Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) carries a what appears to be a Ruger M77 Hawkeye with a scope, he is seen with it in every episode usually slung over his back as he keeps watch over camp. Dale fires it on the walkers in episode 4 during the attack and carries it to the CDC.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rugerm77hawky.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger M77 Hawkeye rifle with scope - .270 Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadRifleep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Dale aims his Ruger M77 in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 700 BDL==&lt;br /&gt;
In episode 1, a scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) by Rick Grimes from the police station arsenal. Morgan uses it to brush up on his marksmanship skills from the second story window of his hideout.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Automatic Rifle Safari==&lt;br /&gt;
A scoped [[Browning Automatic Rifle Safari]] is briefly seen being used by T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) during the standoff in episode 4 with the gangsters in Atlanta.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning BAR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk II Safari Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Assault Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M4A1]] assault rifles can be seen abandoned with several dead soldiers and other military personnel around the CDC Headquarters in episode 5. It is seen in the opening sequence of Episode 6 when Shane witnesses soldiers executing infected people inside the hospital. It is also carried by Dr. Edwin Jenner ([[Noah Emmerich]]) later in the same episode when he first confronts the group he allowed inside. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Machine Guns =&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning M2HB==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK==&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of the CDC, a [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen rested against sandbags. Likely a mocked-up Browning M2.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x108mm on Tripod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Other Weapons=&lt;br /&gt;
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==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the over painted OD green color. [[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Horton Scout Crossbow ==&lt;br /&gt;
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) as his weapon of choice. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Twd_crossbow.jpg‎|none|thumb|400px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Horror]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies.  The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series. &lt;br /&gt;
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=Handguns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt Python==&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. He so far has used it the most in the pilot episode but has carried it through every episode so far and has fired in at least once in the attack in episode 4 as well as drawn it multiple times. He also briefly wields it in episode 5. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 Magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadGrimesPythonrp01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Python on the foreground, and Shane on the background with his Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick holds the Python on Daryl Dixon. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes holds the Python on Daryl Dixon in episode 5. (It seems that this is becoming a habit.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off. A Glock 17 is also taken by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) from Rick's gun bag to confront the Vatos in episode 4.Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) carries one as well as his duty sidearm, and is seen carrying it during the end of episode four, though he never fires it until Episode 6 when they are fleeing the CDC headquarters when he takes a shot on a zombie as they make a break for the vehicles. It can also be seen in Shane's hands in the opening flashback of episode 6 in the hospital. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17holsteredep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane keeps the Glock 17 holstered on his belt. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17ep04DD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daryl loads up a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. In episode four, Rick Grimes handles a black Sig with a silver barrel. Due to the angle, it's hard to tell if it's actually the larger P226.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) carries a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol and uses it to threaten fellow group members in the second episode. The weapon is taken forcefully, then used by Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he and Glenn make their way to the truck.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadHPMearle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the Hi-Power on T--Dog.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Beretta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913#Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) for his own protection when he and Rick make their way to the escape van, he does not fire it in the escape though. Andrea uses it in episode 5 to put her sister Amy down after she comes back as a walker.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot; - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Andrea points the S&amp;amp;W 3913 at Rick Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S&amp;amp;W 3913 from another angle. Note the safety is on. Later Rick Grimes gives Andrea a brief lesson on handling the gun and instructs her to take the safety off before firing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadLadySmith.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Andrea pulls the Ladysmith on Rick, and quips: '''I know how the safety works''', referring to when Rick noticed her about it. (Episode 5)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
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A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&amp;amp;W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Detective Special==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Colt Detective Special]] or two can be seen in the hands of the Vatos in episode 4 during the standoff in Atlanta, specifically Felipe ([[Noel G.]]). In episode 5, Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) offers a Colt from the bag to Jim who has been bitten to end himself, he declines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Colt Detective Special]]) can be seen in the hands of Felipe ([[Noel G.]]) on the right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15==&lt;br /&gt;
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What appears to be a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]] is seen in the hands of one of Guillermo's right hand men, Jorge ([[James Gonzaba]]) in Episode 4 during the standoff.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]]) can possibly be seen in the hands of the gang member on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
During the standoff in episode four, Daryl Dixon has a handgun in the front of his waistband that is definitely not the Glock he loaded earlier on, having an external hammer, but the pistol seems to also have a different rear sight than the Sig featured in the earlier loading scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590==&lt;br /&gt;
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is first seen being used by Rick's partner, Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) during the shootout with the suspects in the overturned vehicle in the pilot episode just before Rick is wounded in the line of duty. The shotgun is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip. It appears again later in Shane's possession at the survivor camp and can notably be seen being used by Shane on the attacking Walkers at the camp in episode 4. He also uses (aims) it in episode 5, when he and Rick Grimes patrol the woods.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadShaneMossberg.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg in episode 5, when he is patrolling the woods with Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can first be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in episode 4 of the series. He has it in his bag of guns from the police station that he initially lost in episode 1 but finally gets it back in episode 4 and uses this shotgun from the bag in the standoff with the gangsters but ends up giving it to their leader, Guillermo ([[Neil Brown Jr.]]) after the Vatos turn out to be doing a good thing.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadep04870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with a Mossberg 500 during the standoff in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500 Persuader==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is using the persuader version of the [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun from Rick's bag of guns. He is seen with it in episode 4 carrying it and then uses it on the siege on the camp by the walkers. In episode 5 it appears he still has it and carries it as the group make their way to the CDC Headquarters.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 &amp;quot;Persuader&amp;quot; with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge.  This is the most commonly produced version of the 500 series today.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 &amp;quot;Compact Cruiser&amp;quot; with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870 Wingmaster==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen in episode 1 in the house Rick stops at, Rick also has one in his bag of guns which ends up with Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) in episode 4 who uses it on the zombies attacking the camp.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Field Gun with raised barrel ribbing and 28&amp;quot; barrel - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is using a [[Remington 870]] with a synthetic stock from Rick's bag of guns in episode 4 during the standoff and on the walker's siege on the survivor camp. He appears to be carrying it still in episode 5 as the group make their way to the CDC. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) also appears to be using a Remington with a wood stock in the remainder of episode 4 to replace the Mossberg he gave to Guillermo. He fires it in the camp during the attack and then carries it as well throughout episode 5. Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) also carries a walnut-stock Remington 870 during the &amp;quot;switch&amp;quot; with the Vatos in episode four. He still carries it in episode 5, along with his crossbow.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style Black Synthetic Riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead870ep04DD.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Daryl Dixon with Remington 870 (Episode 4).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 11-87==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying what appears to be at least two [[Remington 11-87|Remington 11-87 Shotguns]] and other firearms in a duffle bag in the first episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Remington 11-87]] with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ruger M77 Hawkeye==&lt;br /&gt;
Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) carries a what appears to be a Ruger M77 Hawkeye with a scope, he is seen with it in every episode usually slung over his back as he keeps watch over camp. Dale fires it on the walkers in episode 4 during the attack and carries it to the CDC.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rugerm77hawky.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger M77 Hawkeye rifle with scope - .270 Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadRifleep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Dale aims his Ruger M77 in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 700 BDL==&lt;br /&gt;
In episode 1, a scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) by Rick Grimes from the police station arsenal. Morgan uses it to brush up on his marksmanship skills from the second story window of his hideout.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Automatic Rifle Safari==&lt;br /&gt;
A scoped [[Browning Automatic Rifle Safari]] is briefly seen being used by T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) during the standoff in episode 4 with the gangsters in Atlanta.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning BAR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk II Safari Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Assault Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M4A1]] assault rifles can be seen abandoned with several dead soldiers and other military personnel around the CDC Headquarters in episode 5. It is also used by Dr. Jenner ([[Noah Emmerich]]). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Machine Guns =&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning M2HB==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK==&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of the CDC, a [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen rested against sandbags. Likely a mocked-up Browning M2.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x108mm on Tripod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD1.JPG]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Other Weapons =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the overpainted OD green color. It is later used to blow out a window.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Horton Scout Crossbow ==&lt;br /&gt;
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Twd_crossbow.jpg‎|none|thumb|400px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Horror]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* M4A1 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies.  The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series. &lt;br /&gt;
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=Handguns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt Python==&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. He so far has used it the most in the pilot episode but has carried it through every episode so far and has fired in at least once in the attack in episode 4 as well as drawn it multiple times. He also briefly wields it in episode 5. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 Magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadGrimesPythonrp01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Python on the foreground, and Shane on the background with his Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick holds the Python on Daryl Dixon. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes holds the Python on Daryl Dixon in episode 5. (It seems that this is becoming a habit.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off. Shane Walsh carries one as well, and is seen carrying it during the end of episode four, though he never fires it. A Glock 17 is also taken by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) to confront the Vatos in the same episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17holsteredep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane keeps the Glock 17 holstered on his belt. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17ep04DD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daryl loads up a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. In episode four, Rick Grimes handles a black Sig with a silver barrel. Due to the angle, it's hard to tell if it's actually the larger P226.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) carries a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol and uses it to threaten fellow group members in the second episode. The weapon is taken forcefully, then used by Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he and Glenn make their way to the truck.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadHPMearle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the Hi-Power on T--Dog.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Beretta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913#Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) for his own protection when he and Rick make their way to the escape van, he does not fire it in the escape though. Andrea uses it in episode 5 to put her sister Amy down after she comes back as a walker.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot; - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Andrea points the S&amp;amp;W 3913 at Rick Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S&amp;amp;W 3913 from another angle. Note the safety is on. Later Rick Grimes gives Andrea a brief lesson on handling the gun and instructs her to take the safety off before firing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadLadySmith.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Andrea pulls the Ladysmith on Rick, and quips: '''I know how the safety works''', referring to when Rick noticed her about it. (Episode 5)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
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A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&amp;amp;W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Detective Special==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Colt Detective Special]] or two can be seen in the hands of the Vatos in episode 4 during the standoff in Atlanta, specifically Felipe ([[Noel G.]]). In episode 5, Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) offers a Colt from the bag to Jim who has been bitten to end himself, he declines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Colt Detective Special]]) can be seen in the hands of Felipe ([[Noel G.]]) on the right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15==&lt;br /&gt;
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What appears to be a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]] is seen in the hands of one of Guillermo's right hand men, Jorge ([[James Gonzaba]]) in Episode 4 during the standoff.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]]) can possibly be seen in the hands of the gang member on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
During the standoff in episode four, Daryl Dixon has a handgun in the front of his waistband that is definitely not the Glock he loaded earlier on, having an external hammer, but the pistol seems to also have a different rear sight than the Sig featured in the earlier loading scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590==&lt;br /&gt;
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is first seen being used by Rick's partner, Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) during the shootout with the suspects in the overturned vehicle in the pilot episode just before Rick is wounded in the line of duty. The shotgun is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip. It appears again later in Shane's possession at the survivor camp and can notably be seen being used by Shane on the attacking Walkers at the camp in episode 4. He also uses (aims) it in episode 5, when he and Rick Grimes patrol the woods.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadShaneMossberg.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg in episode 5, when he is patrolling the woods with Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can first be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in episode 4 of the series. He has it in his bag of guns from the police station that he initially lost in episode 1 but finally gets it back in episode 4 and uses this shotgun from the bag in the standoff with the gangsters but ends up giving it to their leader, Guillermo ([[Neil Brown Jr.]]) after the Vatos turn out to be doing a good thing.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadep04870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with a Mossberg 500 during the standoff in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500 Persuader==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is using the persuader version of the [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun from Rick's bag of guns. He is seen with it in episode 4 carrying it and then uses it on the siege on the camp by the walkers. In episode 5 it appears he still has it and carries it as the group make their way to the CDC Headquarters.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 &amp;quot;Persuader&amp;quot; with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge.  This is the most commonly produced version of the 500 series today.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 &amp;quot;Compact Cruiser&amp;quot; with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870 Wingmaster==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen in episode 1 in the house Rick stops at, Rick also has one in his bag of guns which ends up with Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) in episode 4 who uses it on the zombies attacking the camp.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Field Gun with raised barrel ribbing and 28&amp;quot; barrel - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is using a [[Remington 870]] with a synthetic stock from Rick's bag of guns in episode 4 during the standoff and on the walker's siege on the survivor camp. He appears to be carrying it still in episode 5 as the group make their way to the CDC. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) also appears to be using a Remington with a wood stock in the remainder of episode 4 to replace the Mossberg he gave to Guillermo. He fires it in the camp during the attack and then carries it as well throughout episode 5. Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) also carries a walnut-stock Remington 870 during the &amp;quot;switch&amp;quot; with the Vatos in episode four. He still carries it in episode 5, along with his crossbow.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style Black Synthetic Riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead870ep04DD.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Daryl Dixon with Remington 870 (Episode 4).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 11-87==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying what appears to be at least two [[Remington 11-87|Remington 11-87 Shotguns]] and other firearms in a duffle bag in the first episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Remington 11-87]] with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ruger M77 Hawkeye==&lt;br /&gt;
Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) carries a what appears to be a Ruger M77 Hawkeye with a scope, he is seen with it in every episode usually slung over his back as he keeps watch over camp. Dale fires it on the walkers in episode 4 during the attack and carries it to the CDC.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rugerm77hawky.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger M77 Hawkeye rifle with scope - .270 Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadRifleep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Dale aims his Ruger M77 in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 700 BDL==&lt;br /&gt;
In episode 1, a scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) by Rick Grimes from the police station arsenal. Morgan uses it to brush up on his marksmanship skills from the second story window of his hideout.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Automatic Rifle Safari==&lt;br /&gt;
A scoped [[Browning Automatic Rifle Safari]] is briefly seen being used by T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) during the standoff in episode 4 with the gangsters in Atlanta.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning BAR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk II Safari Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Assault Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M4A1]] assault rifles can be seen abandoned with several dead soldiers and other military personnel around the CDC Headquarters in episode 5. It is also used by Dr. Jenner (Noah Emmerich). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Machine Guns =&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning M2HB==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK==&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of the CDC, a [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen rested against sandbags. Likely a mocked-up Browning M2.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x108mm on Tripod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD1.JPG]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Other Weapons =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the overpainted OD green color. It is later used to blow out a window.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Horton Scout Crossbow ==&lt;br /&gt;
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Twd_crossbow.jpg‎|none|thumb|400px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Horror]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version) */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]&lt;br /&gt;
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies.  The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series. &lt;br /&gt;
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=Handguns=&lt;br /&gt;
==Colt Python==&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. He so far has used it the most in the pilot episode but has carried it through every episode so far and has fired in at least once in the attack in episode 4 as well as drawn it multiple times. He also briefly wields it in episode 5. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6&amp;quot; Barrel - .357 Magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadGrimesPythonrp01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Python on the foreground, and Shane on the background with his Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick holds the Python on Daryl Dixon. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadPythonep5.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes holds the Python on Daryl Dixon in episode 5. (It seems that this is becoming a habit.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 17==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off. Shane Walsh carries one as well, and is seen carrying it during the end of episode four, though he never fires it. A Glock 17 is also taken by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) to confront the Vatos in the same episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17holsteredep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane keeps the Glock 17 holstered on his belt. (Episode 4)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadG17ep04DD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daryl loads up a Glock 17.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG-Sauer P228==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. In episode four, Rick Grimes handles a black Sig with a silver barrel. Due to the angle, it's hard to tell if it's actually the larger P226.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==M1911A1==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Hi-Power==&lt;br /&gt;
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) carries a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol and uses it to threaten fellow group members in the second episode. The weapon is taken forcefully, then used by Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he and Glenn make their way to the truck.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadHPMearle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) holds the Hi-Power on T--Dog.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Beretta 92FS==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Beretta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913#Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot;]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) for his own protection when he and Rick make their way to the escape van, he does not fire it in the escape though. Andrea uses it in episode 5 to put her sister Amy down after she comes back as a walker.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson 3913 &amp;quot;Ladysmith&amp;quot; - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Andrea points the S&amp;amp;W 3913 at Rick Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_sw3913-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S&amp;amp;W 3913 from another angle. Note the safety is on. Later Rick Grimes gives Andrea a brief lesson on handling the gun and instructs her to take the safety off before firing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadLadySmith.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Andrea pulls the Ladysmith on Rick, and quips: '''I know how the safety works''', referring to when Rick noticed her about it. (Episode 5)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
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A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&amp;amp;W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt Detective Special==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[Colt Detective Special]] or two can be seen in the hands of the Vatos in episode 4 during the standoff in Atlanta, specifically Felipe ([[Noel G.]]). In episode 5, Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) offers a Colt from the bag to Jim who has been bitten to end himself, he declines.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Colt Detective Special]]) can be seen in the hands of Felipe ([[Noel G.]]) on the right.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15==&lt;br /&gt;
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What appears to be a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]] is seen in the hands of one of Guillermo's right hand men, Jorge ([[James Gonzaba]]) in Episode 4 during the standoff.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadrevolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px| A [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 15]]) can possibly be seen in the hands of the gang member on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
During the standoff in episode four, Daryl Dixon has a handgun in the front of his waistband that is definitely not the Glock he loaded earlier on, having an external hammer, but the pistol seems to also have a different rear sight than the Sig featured in the earlier loading scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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=Shotguns=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590==&lt;br /&gt;
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is first seen being used by Rick's partner, Shane Walsh ([[Jon Bernthal]]) during the shootout with the suspects in the overturned vehicle in the pilot episode just before Rick is wounded in the line of duty. The shotgun is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip. It appears again later in Shane's possession at the survivor camp and can notably be seen being used by Shane on the attacking Walkers at the camp in episode 4. He also uses (aims) it in episode 5, when he and Rick Grimes patrol the woods.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadShaneMossberg.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg in episode 5, when he is patrolling the woods with Grimes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can first be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in episode 4 of the series. He has it in his bag of guns from the police station that he initially lost in episode 1 but finally gets it back in episode 4 and uses this shotgun from the bag in the standoff with the gangsters but ends up giving it to their leader, Guillermo ([[Neil Brown Jr.]]) after the Vatos turn out to be doing a good thing.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadep04870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with a Mossberg 500 during the standoff in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 500 Persuader==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears Glenn ([[Steven Yeun]]) is using the persuader version of the [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun from Rick's bag of guns. He is seen with it in episode 4 carrying it and then uses it on the siege on the camp by the walkers. In episode 5 it appears he still has it and carries it as the group make their way to the CDC Headquarters.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 &amp;quot;Persuader&amp;quot; with standard five-shot magazine tube - 12 gauge.  This is the most commonly produced version of the 500 series today.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 &amp;quot;Compact Cruiser&amp;quot; with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870 Wingmaster==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen in episode 1 in the house Rick stops at, Rick also has one in his bag of guns which ends up with Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) in episode 4 who uses it on the zombies attacking the camp.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870Fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Field Gun with raised barrel ribbing and 28&amp;quot; barrel - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
It appears T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) is using a [[Remington 870]] with a synthetic stock from Rick's bag of guns in episode 4 during the standoff and on the walker's siege on the survivor camp. He appears to be carrying it still in episode 5 as the group make their way to the CDC. Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) also appears to be using a Remington with a wood stock in the remainder of episode 4 to replace the Mossberg he gave to Guillermo. He fires it in the camp during the attack and then carries it as well throughout episode 5. Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]) also carries a walnut-stock Remington 870 during the &amp;quot;switch&amp;quot; with the Vatos in episode four. He still carries it in episode 5, along with his crossbow.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870 with early style Black Synthetic Riot foregrips and buttstock - 12 gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead870ep04DD.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Daryl Dixon with Remington 870 (Episode 4).]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 11-87==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) is seen carrying what appears to be at least two [[Remington 11-87|Remington 11-87 Shotguns]] and other firearms in a duffle bag in the first episode.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:1187sportsman.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Remington 11-87]] with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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=Rifles=&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ruger M77 Hawkeye==&lt;br /&gt;
Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) carries a what appears to be a Ruger M77 Hawkeye with a scope, he is seen with it in every episode usually slung over his back as he keeps watch over camp. Dale fires it on the walkers in episode 4 during the attack and carries it to the CDC.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rugerm77hawky.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger M77 Hawkeye rifle with scope - .270 Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDeadRifleep04.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Dale aims his Ruger M77 in episode 4.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 700 BDL==&lt;br /&gt;
In episode 1, a scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan Jones ([[Lennie James]]) by Rick Grimes from the police station arsenal. Morgan uses it to brush up on his marksmanship skills from the second story window of his hideout.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning Automatic Rifle Safari==&lt;br /&gt;
A scoped [[Browning Automatic Rifle Safari]] is briefly seen being used by T-Dog ([[IronE Singleton]]) during the standoff in episode 4 with the gangsters in Atlanta.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Browning BAR.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mk II Safari Browning Automatic Rifle - .30-06.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Assault Rifles =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
[[M4A1]] assault rifles can be seen abandoned with several dead soldiers and other military personnel around the CDC Headquarters in episode 5.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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= Machine Guns =&lt;br /&gt;
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==Browning M2HB==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK==&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of the CDC, a [[DShK heavy machine gun]] is seen rested against sandbags. Likely a mocked-up Browning M2.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x108mm on Tripod]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD1.JPG]]&lt;br /&gt;
= Other Weapons =&lt;br /&gt;
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==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==&lt;br /&gt;
Rick takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the overpainted OD green color. It is later used to blow out a window.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WD_S1_E2_grenade.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Horton Scout Crossbow ==&lt;br /&gt;
A Horton Scout HD 125 Crossbow is used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]). &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P3942065p275w.jpg|none|thumb|300px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Twd_crossbow.jpg‎|none|thumb|400px|Horton Scout HD 125]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Television]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Horror]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==OTHER==&lt;br /&gt;
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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: It's not an SP101.  The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame.  Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel.  Still think it's a Taurus though.  [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.&lt;br /&gt;
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I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vatos==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&amp;amp;W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&amp;amp;W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
==Daryl's Crossbow==&lt;br /&gt;
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&amp;amp;cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode &amp;quot;Vatos&amp;quot;, when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was that an XD? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ? simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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==Faking recoil==&lt;br /&gt;
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may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler&lt;br /&gt;
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That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick,  if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying. &lt;br /&gt;
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Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).  &lt;br /&gt;
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But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running. &lt;br /&gt;
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==DShK heavy machine gun?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956&lt;br /&gt;
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Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not.  Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously.  Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Daryl's knife ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose. &lt;br /&gt;
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I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it). &lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rick's second shotgun.==&lt;br /&gt;
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After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&amp;amp;R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well. &lt;br /&gt;
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We still have Merles bolt-action as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Think its funny==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....&lt;br /&gt;
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Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==&lt;br /&gt;
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck|That&amp;amp;#39;s One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock&lt;br /&gt;
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::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like. &lt;br /&gt;
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At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go? &lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merle==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's Merle not Maryl or Marle&lt;br /&gt;
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==Guts==&lt;br /&gt;
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vatos==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&amp;amp;W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&amp;amp;W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Other comments posted on main page-''&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like. &lt;br /&gt;
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At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go? &lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merle==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's Merle not Maryl or Marle&lt;br /&gt;
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==Guts==&lt;br /&gt;
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vatos==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&amp;amp;W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&amp;amp;W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
 Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like. &lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merle==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's Merle not Maryl or Marle&lt;br /&gt;
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I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vatos==&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&amp;amp;W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&amp;amp;W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
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It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two &amp;quot;high powered&amp;quot; rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like. &lt;br /&gt;
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At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go? &lt;br /&gt;
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Here it is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's Merle not Maryl or Marle&lt;br /&gt;
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I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC&lt;br /&gt;
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a &amp;quot;Glock 9&amp;quot;. I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a &amp;quot;rear sight&amp;quot; category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&amp;amp;bcpid=111717822001&amp;amp;bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&amp;amp;W.&lt;br /&gt;
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All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Other comments posted on main page-''&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho.  The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences.  --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The walking dead.png]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shane's Pistol==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Walking_Dead_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=353747</id>
		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-11-08T03:24:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Andrea's gun */&lt;/p&gt;
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==OTHER==&lt;br /&gt;
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Other comments posted on main page-''&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Walking_Dead_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=353742</id>
		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-11-08T03:09:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* I rewatched the first episode. */&lt;/p&gt;
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==OTHER==&lt;br /&gt;
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow&lt;br /&gt;
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==Whoa==&lt;br /&gt;
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492&lt;br /&gt;
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I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crappy dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing  may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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==SIG P239==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&amp;amp;W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&amp;amp;W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&amp;amp;W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&amp;amp;W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&amp;amp;W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What kind of tank was that? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.&lt;br /&gt;
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-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Definately a Chieftain.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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''Other comments posted on main page-''&lt;br /&gt;
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(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)&lt;br /&gt;
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Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.&lt;br /&gt;
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On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Things I noticed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?&lt;br /&gt;
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And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.&lt;br /&gt;
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The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I rewatched the first episode. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.&lt;br /&gt;
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The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Andrea's gun==&lt;br /&gt;
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:True_Grit_(2010)&amp;diff=335357</id>
		<title>Talk:True Grit (2010)</title>
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		<updated>2010-09-29T01:32:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* A remake? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A remake? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know that the original ''[[True Grit]]'' was made 42 years ago and for many movie-goers it might as well have been made 100 years ago, but still that's pretty gutsy. Rooster Cogburn was the role that got [[John Wayne]] his Oscar and the original movie is a classic. However I will probably go and see this one whne it comes out at Christmas. I like [[Jeff Bridges]] and the Coen Brothers. Change of pace for them as well. Well somewhat. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They're both based on a novel by Charles Portis. The Coen's version is apparently closer to the book than the 1969 film is.--[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The Coen Brothers version looks like it's going to be a lot darker and grittier than the other one. It looks badass. -[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hitcher_(2007)&amp;diff=334353</id>
		<title>Talk:The Hitcher (2007)</title>
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		<updated>2010-09-27T03:07:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what Sean Bean uses to shoot down helicopter? I seem to remember it being a 1911 of some kind. I haven't seen it in a while though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Neither have I but I remember it being a S&amp;amp;W auto of some sort. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, I think it's 4506. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CsCdAfxvs&amp;amp;feature=related about 1:35 in. - [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hitcher_(2007)&amp;diff=334351</id>
		<title>Talk:The Hitcher (2007)</title>
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		<updated>2010-09-27T03:07:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what Sean Bean uses to shoot down helicopter? I seem to remember it being a 1911 of some kind. I haven't seen it in a while though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Neither have I but I remember it being a S&amp;amp;W auto of some sort. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, I think it's 4506. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CsCdAfxvs&amp;amp;feature=related - [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hitcher_(2007)&amp;diff=334348</id>
		<title>Talk:The Hitcher (2007)</title>
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		<updated>2010-09-27T02:54:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what Sean Bean uses to shoot down helicopter? I seem to remember it being a 1911 of some kind. I haven't seen it in a while though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Neither have I but I remember it being a S&amp;amp;W auto of some sort. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, maybe a 4506. - [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hitcher_(2007)&amp;diff=334190</id>
		<title>Talk:The Hitcher (2007)</title>
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		<updated>2010-09-26T20:14:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: New page: Does anyone know what Sean Bean uses to shoot down helicopter? I seem to remember it being a 1911 of some kind. I haven't seen it in a while though. humanzie3&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Does anyone know what Sean Bean uses to shoot down helicopter? I seem to remember it being a 1911 of some kind. I haven't seen it in a while though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Fallout:_New_Vegas&amp;diff=324850</id>
		<title>Talk:Fallout: New Vegas</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Varmint Rifle */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a 5.56x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe it was supposed to be a 32 caliber rifle ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would agree except it shares ammo with the .32 revolver. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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And of course the die hard fans on the Fallout Wiki keep telling me that the shell size doesn't matter. Game developers are lazy bastards... and so are some of their idiot fanboys.--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.20.4|184.35.20.4]] 10:51, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The little queers at the Fallout wikia keep whining &amp;quot;Until the programers say what it is, it ain't [Insert Weapon Name Here]. They can't tell that the &amp;quot;Semi-Auto Rifle&amp;quot; is an M1 Garand because their a bunch of mega-nerds who live in their mother's basement. Look at pictures of them side-by-side and you can tell it's an M1 Garand. Anybody who says that will be flaged as a &amp;quot;FANBOY!&amp;quot; - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 00:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They think that a .308 M1 Garand doesn't exsist and since it most likely fires .308 it apparently isn't a M1 Garand. They aren't the brightest bunch of people considering they believed the Hi Power was a made up weapon AFTER a real picture of a Hi Power was posted to compare. Some believed it is a 1911.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could the varmint rifle be a .22-250?It might explain the case size and I would like to point out that all the ejected rifle cases in Fallout 3 looked exactly the same.On the topic of the Hi power,everybody keeps calling it a &amp;quot;Colt .45&amp;quot;,I dont see how you get the two mixed up.--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 19:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. I can't keep dealing with those whiny babies... i made an account on there site just to tell them what the guns are but they don't lisson to a damn word. i posted multiple comments on the varmint rifle page yet they reman oblivious... --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.19.196|184.35.19.196]] 20:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Varmint_rifle#Caliber] One of them found a picture confirming it to be 5.56!! The fanboys should believe me! Time to gloat on the talk page! --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 18:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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If it is a 5.56, why the hell did someone say it was a .22 in the first place?--[[User:Mr. White|Mr. White]] 22:51, 6 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I had too explain to them that the .223 was a varmint round. They ain't exactly geniuses--[[Special:Contributions/184.35.27.100|184.35.27.100]] 00:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you mean the .222 Remington for varmint hunting? .223 Remington is actually a round made for the AR-15 and considered to be in the &amp;quot;High Power Rifle&amp;quot; category. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Lol Wut?==&lt;br /&gt;
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: &amp;quot;I know that in the new Burn Notice episode &amp;quot;Question &amp;amp; Answer,&amp;quot; a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is &amp;quot;Double Down&amp;quot; look it up.&amp;quot; Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Formatting==&lt;br /&gt;
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the &amp;quot;Edit&amp;quot; button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).&lt;br /&gt;
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::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester&lt;br /&gt;
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::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
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:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:&lt;br /&gt;
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:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on &amp;quot;The Unit&amp;quot;). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.&lt;br /&gt;
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:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like &amp;quot;not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle&amp;quot; instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked.  That's definetly not a Jericho.  I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model.  Here's the image I got&lt;br /&gt;
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It is either a S&amp;amp;W 4006 or S&amp;amp;W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fiona's assault rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).&lt;br /&gt;
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It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sam's Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona.  Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing.  It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR.  I don't think it's an SR-25.  They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mark 23==&lt;br /&gt;
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!&lt;br /&gt;
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==sig 226==&lt;br /&gt;
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i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,&lt;br /&gt;
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==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
2 Errors of note:  The Steyr is a Remington 700.  The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present.  It's not a ProHunter either.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The Winchester 1300's aren't either.  Note the lack of v-shaped reciever.  They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accuracy International==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the episode &amp;quot;Double Booked&amp;quot; Michael apparently assembles an &amp;quot;AI AWC&amp;quot; but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Desert Eagle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Added Desert Eagle to handgun list.  Season 3 Episode 4 &amp;quot;Fearless Leader&amp;quot;.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010 &lt;br /&gt;
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== Beretta Tomcat==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Season 3 Episode 8 &amp;quot;Friends Like These&amp;quot;. Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.&lt;br /&gt;
==SIG not Glock==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?&lt;br /&gt;
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==HK USP compact 45==&lt;br /&gt;
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.&lt;br /&gt;
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on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiona's M1==&lt;br /&gt;
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''&lt;br /&gt;
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:''The &amp;quot;Family Business&amp;quot; M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in &amp;quot;Turn and Burn.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiona's rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.&lt;br /&gt;
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Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend&lt;br /&gt;
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle &lt;br /&gt;
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::You are right.  Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S3Ep13==&lt;br /&gt;
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Great show ==&lt;br /&gt;
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Heh, right on. &amp;quot;Honey! I got you a S&amp;amp;W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!&amp;quot; --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== CZ 75BD ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In season 3 episode 6 &amp;quot;the hunter&amp;quot; Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.&lt;br /&gt;
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==BNS4==&lt;br /&gt;
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp&lt;br /&gt;
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That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&amp;amp;W. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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: Nope.  [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==What are these==&lt;br /&gt;
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Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors&lt;br /&gt;
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- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode?  It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911).  And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now.  Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Original CZ 75... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.&lt;br /&gt;
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==S04E06==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :&amp;lt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==S04E09==&lt;br /&gt;
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&amp;amp;K P30 on Michael&lt;br /&gt;
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== Breaking Up By Season? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season.  The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season.  Thoughts?  --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe&lt;br /&gt;
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== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the &amp;quot;laser targeting assist&amp;quot; she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
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wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the &amp;quot;water shell&amp;quot; is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&amp;amp;W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the &amp;quot;water round.&amp;quot; No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the &amp;quot;residue&amp;quot; could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Robert Patrick==&lt;br /&gt;
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Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jessie's Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone know what Jessie was using when he &amp;quot;shot&amp;quot; Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Machete&amp;diff=324495</id>
		<title>Talk:Machete</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Okay, two things */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I am not good at all with names. Be gentle [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prop gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like underneath all that prop is some kind of AR-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmmm... my brother thinks it an Remington ACR. I think it looks like an insane prop Browing M1919 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Definitely an AR-15.-protoAuthor 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, AR-15. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is not a WALTHER P99!...come on! that is totally a Walther NightHawk on the table with all the toy junk on it.[[Spades of Columbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Does this sight allow BB gun on the main page?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definitely a BB gun.  Here is a link to a &amp;quot;weapon&amp;quot; exactly the same as the one pictured. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://dvice.com/archives/2008/04/walther-nightha.php&lt;br /&gt;
 Thank you for finding that, i was positive that was the NightHawk. [[Spades of Columbia]] 15 may 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lohans Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
 From the size and 5 chambered cylinder i'd say lohans revolver is a Smith n Wesson 500 - CaptainSnikt&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a S&amp;amp;W 500. when they do the freeze frame on her there is a better view of it.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah, when they freeze oh her licking it? Heh, I'm pretty sure i saw Don Johnson packing a 1911 variant - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
==Engraved Series 80==&lt;br /&gt;
The engraved nickel 1911a1 doesn't need the last line implying a different frame from the stock gun. The Colts with the large roll mark saying MKIV Series 80 had the arched mainspring housing and short trigger exactly as this pistol appears. This is how the full size Colts were made in the 80s. &lt;br /&gt;
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The CURRENT Colt Series 80s have the flat mainspring housing and the long trigger, I think that is where the confusion is coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The pistol in the picture does not appear to be modified in any way (except for the engraving of course.) The last line in the description that says &amp;quot;''Though the slide is marked &amp;quot;MK IV Series 80&amp;quot;, it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame''&amp;quot; should be deleted. This is a standard Colt Government Model made in the 1980s. -[[User:Zenner22]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Cool!  Thanks Zenner22.  Though I photographed the actual gun used by Robert DeNiro, I did NOT write that section.  I don't know who did, but I didn't contest it because I always defer to people who know MORE about M1911s than I do. If this is indeed the case, you have the right to edit that information to correct it and provide an explanation here.  :)  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I could have swore that same engraved Series 80 was used on an episode of the TV series The Good Guys.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==New Images==&lt;br /&gt;
Guys, can someone put some new screencaps from the redband trailer, and upload the new images that have been appearing in the las few months,i can't upload the my screencaps of the trailers because they are awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 23:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just watched the red band trailer and it looked like Danny Trejo was using either a Smith &amp;amp; Wesson model 66 or 686 but their are too many quick cut scenes to tell for sure. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 05:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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anyone else see the awesome promo still of Tom Savini with a USAS 12?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.shockya.com/news/2009/10/25/tom-savini-photo-from-machete/&lt;br /&gt;
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One trailer I saw showed Jessica Alba's character using a Glock Pistol, most likely a Glock 17.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Machete==&lt;br /&gt;
Just got home from seeing it. Theres quite a bit of gun porn in it. I believe I saw a USAS 12 a lot of different 1911s a spas 12, an mp5k, a spas 12, and maybe a couple more&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, I noticed several of those too, one guy had an MP5K-PDW, and I think I saw a Mk. 23 as well. Oh, also, in the first scene of the movie, some of Seagal's henchmen are carrying some sort of AKs or AK knockoffs.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just saw it myself. It seems everyone in the film uses a stainless 1911 at some point. Also, I noticed during the credits that this film (unlike many) actually gave its armourer a credit. I think his name was something like Steve Gilbert but don't quote me on that.-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Okay, two things ==&lt;br /&gt;
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First of all, the double barreled sawn-off doesn't look like a twelve gauge to me. The barrels look much too large for a twelve, though it might just be perspective. Also, why would anyone need a compensator for a .22? [[Special:Contributions/67.191.192.233|67.191.192.233]] 00:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bump-firing with a extended magazine? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::.22's may be small but in a pistol they still have some muzzle flip, so a compensator can be used to make the pistol pretty much completely recoiless, which is very useful when target shooting when you have to drill the same target multiple times quickly.&lt;br /&gt;
: Are you talking about the P22? Because all the compensator really does is lengthen the barrel, enabling you to actually shoot it with some amount of accuracy-[[User:S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter|S&amp;amp;amp;Wshooter]] 15:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mossberg thinks that a .22 semi auto kicks alot apparently.http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?ID=30&amp;amp;section=products--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sartana's Glock==&lt;br /&gt;
I saw the movie today and when Sartana ejects the magazine from her Glock you get a clear shot of the bullets in it and they looked alot like .357 sig rounds. So i was thinking that her Glock may be a Glock 32. Anyone else see it yet? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=User_talk:DKS01&amp;diff=321871</id>
		<title>User talk:DKS01</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T22:58:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I know what the god damn Harris technique is alright, but if you actually have seen Kickass you would see that Hit-Girl is doing the Harris technique shown from her (FIRST PERSON SHOOTER) perspective with the SAME GUN and the SAME KNIFE as COD. It was a lot like the scene in DOOM when Karl Urban is shown from first person perspective to immulate the actual video game. But I suppose you wouldn't consider that to be a homage either, would you? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Not sure it's even the same knife. It's the same gun, but then again, so what? USPs, Glocks, and Beretta 92's are about the most commmonly seen pistols in modern movies, throw a rock and you'll find someone using one of them. And umm, Doom is BASED ON A GAME, so yeah, doing something like the game it's based on is probably a homage. Remind me again when Kick-ass became based on CoD though? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 21:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agree to disagree. There's no changing either of our minds.--[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Fallout:_New_Vegas&amp;diff=321810</id>
		<title>Talk:Fallout: New Vegas</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T20:34:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Varmint Rifle */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a 5.56x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Fallout: New Vegas</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Varmint Rifle */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I may be misunderstanding you, but the 'Varmint Rifle' (The bolt action rifle with the thumbhole stock and long, Ruger Mini-14 looking magazine) isn't the same as the hunting rifle that's going to be chambered in .308. They're two different guns. Here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Hunting_Rifle_%28Fallout:_New_Vegas%29]] is the hunting rifle, in .308, and here[[http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Varmint_rifle]] is the Varmint rifle, the one being shown in the video, which is a .22. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh yes, and it has proper sights now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 08:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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At 2:23 the shell being ejected looks way too big to be a .22 --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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See. Way too big.I'm near sure that it's either not a .22 or the designers made a big mistake. --[[Special:Contributions/184.35.18.78|184.35.18.78]] 20:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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They do that a lot in these games. The hunting rifle in Fallout 3 is supposed to be a .32 but when you see it eject it looks like a .556x45 at least. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T01:39:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Joe&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a huge firearm fan. I own a Beretta 21A and a Charter 357 Magpug.    &lt;br /&gt;
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My favorite guns include&lt;br /&gt;
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Smith and Wesson SW1911SC&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W M1911SC.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson SW1911SC (Scandium Commander) Ultra Light Weight - Blued version - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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M1911 Colt&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta M9 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Charter .357 Mag Pug&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CharterPug.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Charter Arms Pug - .357 magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta Bobcat 21A&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta Model 21 Side View.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 21 Bobcat .22 Long Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sig Sauer P228 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Makarov PM 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Smith and Wesson Model 627 .357 mag&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;WPerformanceCtr627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Performance Center 627 - .357 Magnum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bushmaster ACR&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bushmaster ACR Entry Carbine, 5.56x45mm NATO/7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp;K  UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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M3 Grease Gun&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 &amp;quot;Grease Gun&amp;quot; .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Benelli M4 Super 90&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M4Super90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Super 90 8-shot - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sawed Off Double Barrel Shotgun&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington SBS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington Spartan Sawed Off shotgun - 12 gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm more of a pistol guy. I am a big fan of the 1911 frame. In fact I found this site looking around for 1911's. Anything about the apocalypse or survival instantly has my attention. But in the meantime I am going to school for Mass Communications and plan to become a film advertiser with my brother.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Joe&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a huge firearm fan. I own a Beretta 21A and a Charter 357 Magpug.    &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My favorite guns include&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Smith and Wesson SW1911SC&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;W M1911SC.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson SW1911SC (Scandium Commander) Ultra Light Weight - Blued version - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
M1911 Colt&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Beretta M9 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Charter .357 Mag Pug&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CharterPug.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Charter Arms Pug - .357 magnum]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta Bobcat 21A&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta Model 21 Side View.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 21 Bobcat .22 Long Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sig Sauer P220 .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Makarov PM 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Smith and Wesson Model 627 .357 mag&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;WPerformanceCtr627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Performance Center 627 - .357 Magnum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bushmaster ACR&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bushmaster ACR Entry Carbine, 5.56x45mm NATO/7.62x39mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Heckler &amp;amp; Koch UMP .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp;K  UMP .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm more of a pistol guy. I am a big fan of the 1911 frame. In fact I found this site looking around for 1911's. Anything about the apocalypse or survival instantly has my attention. But in the meantime I am going to school for Mass Communications and plan to become a film advertiser with my brother.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Joe&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a huge firearm fan. I own a Beretta 21A and a Charter 357 Magpug.    &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My favorite guns include&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Colt XSE .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtXSE.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt XSE 1911 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta M9 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Beretta Bobcat 21A&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta Model 21 Side View.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 21 Bobcat .22 Long Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sig Sauer P220 .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Makarov PM 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Smith and Wesson Model 627 .357 mag&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;WPerformanceCtr627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Performance Center 627 - .357 Magnum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Heckler &amp;amp; Koch Mk 23 Mod.0&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&amp;amp;K Mk 23 Mod 0 .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm more of a pistol guy. I am a big fan of the 1911 frame. In fact I found this site looking around for 1911's. Anything about the apocalypse or survival instantly has my attention. But in the meantime I am going to school for Mass Communications and plan to become a film advertiser with my brother.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Joe&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a huge firearm fan. I own a Beretta 21A, a Charter 357 Magpug, and a Mossberg 88 Maverick.   &lt;br /&gt;
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My favorite guns include&lt;br /&gt;
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Colt XSE .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtXSE.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt XSE 1911 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta M9 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta M9 9x19mm. U.S. military-issue 92FS.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Beretta Bobcat 21A&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Beretta Model 21 Side View.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 21 Bobcat .22 Long Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sig Sauer P220 .45&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SigP220Black.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Makarov PM 9mm&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Smith and Wesson Model 627 .357 mag&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;WPerformanceCtr627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Performance Center 627 - .357 Magnum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Heckler &amp;amp; Koch Mk 23 Mod.0&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&amp;amp;K Mk 23 Mod 0 .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm more of a pistol guy. Rifles and shotguns a great too, but pistols are just plain better in my book.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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		<title>Talk:The Expendables</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Demolition Man */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Question on the weapons used==&lt;br /&gt;
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253&lt;br /&gt;
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-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
-MP7&lt;br /&gt;
-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It matches the sg9000 airsoft shotgun i once saw at a gunshow. so i think it may be it.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.planxairsoftguns.com/store-products-UU-2272027---Walther-SG9000-SHOTGUN---C02_1096639197.html&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare.  He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all.  It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==&lt;br /&gt;
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The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as  50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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SPOILER SPOILER&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Just watched it==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.hibbenknives.com/expendables.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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The first knife Tool drew from his boot and threw, was a Cold Steel Espada. Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gunner's 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. Anybody else see it? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What gun is stallone using in the tunnels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Guns SPOILERS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Paine ([[Steve Austin]]) reacts to this and holds his [[H&amp;amp;K USP]] on Gunnar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yin Yang's pistol? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i say it looked like a small glock, maybe a 19, not sure&lt;br /&gt;
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== low quality caps  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-f2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yang with his F2000 Tactical with Christmas's MP5K on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-aa122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Damn that thing's loud!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers firing their AKs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ak2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers fire their AKs as the team takes cover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
==Smoke Grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-smoke.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smoke grenade about to go off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demolition Man==&lt;br /&gt;
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Blow me, I wasn't aware I was somehow preventing anyone from having an opinion. If I had that capability I'd probably use it to get Rush Limbaugh off the air, but since Rush still broadcasts, I guess I don't have that power. He stated his opinion, I stated my opinion, deal with it chief. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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Geez man, lose the attitude. And don't you ever tell me to blow you. I have never seen you write anything on this site but rude and asshole comments.  --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it just stands out because it's rare for a lot of movie stars to wear anything on their head at all. Off the top of my head, I think the only movies where Arnold wears anything on his head is in the Conan movies, where's he's got that weird headband thing. Not even in Predator, where it would've made sense, did he wear a hat. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually he did have a hat on in the very beginning of Predator...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there are some particular movies where the character is well-known for wearing a hat. Indiana Jones, Crocodile Dundee, Freddy Krueger, and others.&lt;br /&gt;
Also, I think Arnold briefly wears a hat in the Running Man (When trying to escape.) -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll give you Indy and Dundee, but those are also parts of costumes. I can't think of any other hat wearing Harrison Ford characters though. (And looking back, I think Arnold did wear a hat in Collateral, when he was trying to infiltrate the terrorist base.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, Harrison wore a stormtrooper helment in Star Wars. Does that count LOL? But yeah, I see what you mean though; overall, costumes with hats are rare.&lt;br /&gt;
:For most stars, their greatest assets are their features. Why hide them with a hat? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Except in some cases...That explains why Mickey Rourke DID wear a hat. -SasquatchJim&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Fallout:_New_Vegas&amp;diff=321390</id>
		<title>Talk:Fallout: New Vegas</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T00:50:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Varmint Rifle */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Could be a upgraded Bolt action rifle for fallout 3&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, by the way it's a bolt action. As seen [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTAuUStHmUo in this video], near 2:24. Note the thumbhole stock. And it's not the one from Fallout 3 either, that one appears here too and it's chambered in .308 now. --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the hunting rifle from Fallout 3. It's going to be so much nastier in .308 --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Expendables&amp;diff=321388</id>
		<title>Talk:The Expendables</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-31T00:48:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Demolition Man */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Question on the weapons used==&lt;br /&gt;
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
-MP7&lt;br /&gt;
-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It matches the sg9000 airsoft shotgun i once saw at a gunshow. so i think it may be it.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.planxairsoftguns.com/store-products-UU-2272027---Walther-SG9000-SHOTGUN---C02_1096639197.html&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare.  He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all.  It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==&lt;br /&gt;
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The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title&lt;br /&gt;
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After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as  50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The first knife Tool drew from his boot and threw, was a Cold Steel Espada. Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gunner's 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. Anybody else see it? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What gun is stallone using in the tunnels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Guns SPOILERS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Paine ([[Steve Austin]]) reacts to this and holds his [[H&amp;amp;K USP]] on Gunnar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yin Yang's pistol? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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i say it looked like a small glock, maybe a 19, not sure&lt;br /&gt;
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== low quality caps  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-f2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yang with his F2000 Tactical with Christmas's MP5K on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-aa122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Damn that thing's loud!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers firing their AKs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smoke Grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demolition Man==&lt;br /&gt;
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Blow me, I wasn't aware I was somehow preventing anyone from having an opinion. If I had that capability I'd probably use it to get Rush Limbaugh off the air, but since Rush still broadcasts, I guess I don't have that power. He stated his opinion, I stated my opinion, deal with it chief. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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Geez man, lose the attitude. You are such an asshole. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it just stands out because it's rare for a lot of movie stars to wear anything on their head at all. Off the top of my head, I think the only movies where Arnold wears anything on his head is in the Conan movies, where's he's got that weird headband thing. Not even in Predator, where it would've made sense, did he wear a hat. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 23:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually he did have a hat on in the very beginning of Predator...-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, there are some particular movies where the character is well-known for wearing a hat. Indiana Jones, Crocodile Dundee, Freddy Krueger, and others.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll give you Indy and Dundee, but those are also parts of costumes. I can't think of any other hat wearing Harrison Ford characters though. (And looking back, I think Arnold did wear a hat in Collateral, when he was trying to infiltrate the terrorist base.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 10:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, Harrison wore a stormtrooper helment in Star Wars. Does that count LOL? But yeah, I see what you mean though; overall, costumes with hats are rare.&lt;br /&gt;
:For most stars, their greatest assets are their features. Why hide them with a hat? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 17:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Except in some cases...That explains why Mickey Rourke DID wear a hat. -SasquatchJim&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:That definitely does ''not'' look like an AR-7. The barrel is too thick, it has an actual handguard, and the magazine is too wide and long, as well. It looks more like an M1 Carbine then a Armalite. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 00:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He said it was a .22 and the stock made me think of a AR-7. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Mmm, okay, I can agree on that. The stock is similar to the AR-7, but other then that, I don't know. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do agree that the magazine does not look like a .22 lr magazine though. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Gunner's 1911 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Question on the weapons used==&lt;br /&gt;
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253&lt;br /&gt;
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-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
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-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare.  He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all.  It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==&lt;br /&gt;
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The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as  50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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SPOILER SPOILER&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The first knife Tool drew from his boot and threw, was a Cold Steel Espada. Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gunner's 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. Anybody else see it? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What gun is stallone using in the tunnels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Guns SPOILERS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Paine ([[Steve Austin]]) reacts to this and holds his [[H&amp;amp;K USP]] on Gunnar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yin Yang's pistol? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== low quality caps  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-f2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yang with his F2000 Tactical with Christmas's MP5K on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-aa122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Damn that thing's loud!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers firing their AKs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ak2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers fire their AKs as the team takes cover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
==Smoke Grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-smoke.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smoke grenade about to go off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demolition Man==&lt;br /&gt;
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't recall a single scene like that from Demolition Man but if you recall a specific part feel free to point it out. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Question on the weapons used==&lt;br /&gt;
anyone know what the 6th barrel down is, between the silenced M4 and the MP7?  Might be a shotgun of sorts, based on the barrel/handguard...also no magazine.  Can pick out the grip/trigger to the right of the skull's eye.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2378533888/tt1320253&lt;br /&gt;
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-Barrett M107 with SUSAT (?!) Scope&lt;br /&gt;
-M16A1&lt;br /&gt;
-C8 with M203&lt;br /&gt;
-G36 with AG36&lt;br /&gt;
-No idea&lt;br /&gt;
-Shorty Remington 870 / Masterkey&lt;br /&gt;
-MP7&lt;br /&gt;
-Mk. 23&lt;br /&gt;
-Model 29&lt;br /&gt;
-Steyr M9A1&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta M9 with front cocking serrations&lt;br /&gt;
-SVI Infinity&lt;br /&gt;
-Beretta 93R&lt;br /&gt;
-Desert Eagle&lt;br /&gt;
-A fuckload of knifes --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 03:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unknown 1911 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's a Detonics Scoremaster, Check out the two Pictures on the 1911 section.&lt;br /&gt;
It's got the same trigger, and possibly the same magazine buttpad and hammer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I deleted my previous two posts. - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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== CQB-R Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.screeninglog.com/journal/2010/5/12/check-out-these-new-expendables-photos.html Screeninglog.com - Here is page link instead]&lt;br /&gt;
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New Image featuring the CQB-R Rifles, can someone replace the one on the main page? Thx - Thomas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2691072512/tt1320253 IMDB.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at this pic of Jet Li, the grip on his 'CQB'. Thats a Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 416?&lt;br /&gt;
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Definatly a 416 look at the shape of the grip. Is Terry Crews using frag 12 rounds, as frag 12's normally come in a green casing and the spent cartridges in the image all appear to be see thu / white. this could of course just be hollywood, being hollywood - Captain Snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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I also thing stathams 92 is most likely a 92G elite, or a ninety two based on the squared off pistol grip - captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Tango Down makes a pistol grip almost identical to that of the HK416, the BG-16 Battle Grip or so it's supposedly called. It could be one of those. I'd rather wait until we can find better shots of his gun to determine whether it's a 416 or not. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cameos ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it me or does anybody else miss hearing arnie's voice lol&lt;br /&gt;
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:I just saw Commando last week so...no I don't miss his voice [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think Clint Eastwood shoulda had a cameo?&lt;br /&gt;
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I gotta disagree. He was huge int he 80s of course, but not in the same way these guys were. Eastwood is on another level in many ways. My question, where is Segal? Chuck Norris? Tom Berhinger?&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree on Clint. While he was a definite star, he was a different sort of star than these guys. As for your question about where is Seagal? Well, he WAS offered a part and turned it down. Apparently, Seagal has issues with one of the produces of The Expendables and refuses to work with him(you can catch him September in Machete though). Jean-Claude Van Damme was also offered a role and turned it down, because he &amp;quot;doesn't want his career going in that direction&amp;quot;(that direction being &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; I assume), and Kurt Russell turned a part down due to &amp;quot;a lack of interest in ensemble acting at this time&amp;quot;. Wesley Snipes was going to be in it, but he wasn't allowed to leave the country due to that whole tax evasion thing, so he couldn't go down to South America or Mexico or wherever it was they filmed it. Chuck woulda fit in too, but I don't think he was offered a part. And Berrenger? Nothing against the guy, but Berrenger was pretty much third tier even in his heyday, even the average classic action fan isn't gonna bring him up when they're thinking of action stars. Not that I woulda opposed him don't get me wrong, but at the same time, I don't think his omission is exactly as noticeable as say, Seagal or Mel Gibson(I think we can all guess why he wasn't offered a part) for example. I also missed Chow Yun-Fat. Li is a badass to be sure and I'm glad he's here, but woulda been cool to see Chow going back to old school Woo-mode and packing a couple handguns as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Addendum. Apparently at Comic-Con, Stallone said &amp;quot;I talked to Van Damme. I talked to [Steven] Segal. I even talked to Chuck Norris.&amp;quot; He then added, &amp;quot;But there are certain considerations, like insanity.&amp;quot;. Not sure if the insanity line was specifically for one of them, or all of them. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Screw Chuck Norris bring Jack Bauer up in here. [[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
:I totally woulda dug Kiefer Sutherland getting a part. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 12:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jackie Chan should have been in this. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nope, Jackie Chan focuses on much lighter 'comical' action fare.  He would not be comfortable with such grisly violence as this does not fit with his cinema history well at all.  It would not have made sense to include Jackie Chan. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn straight[[User:24guns|24guns]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Bruce Campbell ftw. -SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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==Charles Daly 1911's - CONFIRMED AS KIMBER CUSTOMS==&lt;br /&gt;
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The pistols list as Charles Daly Customs are Kimber Customs with Bright Blue finish. But I will confirm before I change the heading.-[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]] 00:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Who in their right mind would customize a Charles Daly...I would have to hear it from the movie armor himself before i believe that one.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:49, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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CONFIRMED:Whoever thought they were CDs could not have been further off. Like the above, my vote went for Kimber, and NOW it is CONFIRMED---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/kimber-the-expendables/?hp=exclusives_title&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After this confirmation I changed the heading on the main page to reflect this. Since, I confess, I'm kinda new at editing this, I just changed the heading, wasn't sure if the details of the customization are meant to be included or not. If they are, feel free to add whatever is necessary. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==clip==&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpaRzwICMk&lt;br /&gt;
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I think there is a Saiga 12 being used by Hale Caesar (Terry Crews) in the clip&lt;br /&gt;
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== Holy Cow ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So many action stars in one movie. This can only be good --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Plane==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone identify the plane nd the machine guns in the nose they use to take out the dock?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would guess either .30 or .50 cal browning machine guns&lt;br /&gt;
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Plane is a Grumman HU-16 Albatross. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 14:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And they are identified in 'the making of' pre-released video as  50 cals, so I assume they are AN-M2 machine guns [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gunnar's M79 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw a Clip from when the Screenshot was taken. I believe he uses a Non-Explosive round like the HK69A1 in Miami Vice.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Expendables-M79-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar Jensen opens fire with his [[M79]].]][[Image:MV_Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tubbs pulls out his [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1 40mm Launcher|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch HK69A1]] on Yero.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ, those pistols look tiny. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I shouldn't be surprised that Stalone has massive hands, but still, the Beretta and the SSA look absolutely tiny in his hands. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 04:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Willis' Role ==&lt;br /&gt;
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From what I've heard, Willis isn't just a cameo. He apparently plays an important part in the plot. At least, that's what I've heard. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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SPOILER SPOILER&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw it today. He isn't much more than a cameo. Three minutes of screen time, and mentioned again later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Stallone and Statham make up a sizeable portion of it, effectively being the two leads.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 19:47 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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==Just watched it==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pardon my french, but i fucking loved it!!! Arnie and bruce sadly only do cameos, but its worth it for a few jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
But onto the guns. Stallone (barny ross) is packing a pair of Charles Daly M1911's (which sometimes he fires so fast it nears automatic) one on each thigh. He does some perfect and frankly beautiful speedloads with them too. On the same belt he also caries the custom single action army on a quickdraw rig to his rear.&lt;br /&gt;
Stathams (lee christmas) main sidearm, seen mostly in the final action peice is a Beretta 92G Elite 1A which he uses in conjunction with throwing knives and if im being honest kinda steals the show.&lt;br /&gt;
The other real star of the movie is Terry Crews AA12, given its own into speech he even shows us the Frag 12 mini rocket out of its casing and explains to the audience just how cool the frag 12 really is, and the scenes he uses it truely do it justice, people are torn apart in a gorey wargasm.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and Dolph Lundgren (Gunnar) briefly threatens Stone Cold with a shorty shotgun with a folding frong grip, much like Tubb's from miami vice, possibly a franchi but i cant be sure.&lt;br /&gt;
Ok there's my 50 cents, but it really did kick ass--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Agreed, Captain. The scene where he first uses the AA-12 is EPIC. I'm not normally a fan of the AA-12, but I had to respect it here. Also, many of Statham's fistfight scenes were awesome.&lt;br /&gt;
* As a side note, I believe the shotgun was a Serbu Super Shorty. I could easily be wrong, though.&lt;br /&gt;
*I think Yin was using a Steyr TMP in the back of Barney's truck. Again, don't quote me on that.&lt;br /&gt;
-SasquatchJim, 21:22 EST, 13 August 2010 (Not a member, but I've been told to sign my posts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Suberu shorty looks like the gun, but i think it was a brugger and thompet MP9 not the TMP due to the folding stock, and its always good practise to sign your posts --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, sorry. I've never heard of the MP9. BTW, am I signing my posts right, since I'm not a user? -SasquatchJim 21:55 EST 13 August 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Brugger and Thommet bought out the stery tmp design an released ith with a folding stock as the MP-9, and yeah, thats fine, you dont need the date/time stamp but its always welcome --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It was badass, just a great fun to watch action movie not loaded with preachy messages or other bullshit. They said it would be like an awesome 80s action movie, and delivered. BTW, I dont think there charles daly 1911s. Im betting their kimbers like Pheonixint said. BTW, remember when i think it was steve austin took off stallone's vest (which looked like a blackhawk strike) and said that without the kevlar hed be ripped apart or something to that effect, that the vest had no kevlar, it was just load bearing equipment, no panels or plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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No crap...where is the evidence that these are Charles daly?  Like i said, who would buy a cheap 1911 just to customize it all badass like?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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And pheonixint is in the industry, his info is usually real solid, while i dont see one shred of evidence its a bargain bin 1911.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's only one reason I can think as to why they'd be CD 1911s: The directors wanted to save money bu using inexpensive 1911s and customizing them. E.G. Using a $600 1911 instead of a $3000 one. I don't know, though.-SasquatchJim&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Knives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone know the knives that they used in the movie? I saw some links to the ones that Sly and Doph uses, but I want to know what are the ones that Jason Statham uses. He had the kunai throwing knives and the folding knife in that one scene. I really want that knife now. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:23, 14 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the end credits, it says knives provided by Gil Hibben. Tool's throwing knives in the end were definitely Hibbens. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.hibbenknives.com/expendables.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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The first knife Tool drew from his boot and threw, was a Cold Steel Espada. Gunner313&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gunner's 1911==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the car chase Gunner uses a 1911 that looks alot like the one's used by Thomas Jane in The Punisher (2004). It was black with a silver compensator. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== What gun is stallone using in the tunnels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I couldn't see it good enough to ID but it looks like a MP7. Anyone else got an opinion?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'm pretty sure Stallone was using one of the kitted out M4A1 Carbine things, but he was holding it with one hand by the foregrip instead of at the ready because he was using it mainly for the flashlight. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]&lt;br /&gt;
Pretty much. I have no idea what part of that thing looks like an MP7. If you look at the main page, the Vltor rifles were all what the team was using [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know he was using a Vltor later but when he was alone in the tunnels. I don't know just had a feeling it was.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the bad dark lighting of the movie confused you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He was holding the vltor by the surefire light foregrip, definatly - Captain snikt&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep, I just saw the movie again, and as the other guys said, he's carrying the Vltor by the foregrip, there's no MP7 in sight. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its a noveske, vltor makes the stock and rail system.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the front of the gun and never looked at the back so it looked like a machine pistol of somesort so I assumed a MP7. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Guns SPOILERS ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shorty3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gunnar ([[Dolph Lundgren]]) pulls a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] on Monroe's Henchmen when negotiating a deal.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Paine ([[Steve Austin]]) reacts to this and holds his [[H&amp;amp;K USP]] on Gunnar.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to add these guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yin Yang's pistol? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone recall what pistol Jet Li's character was carrying at the end battle? There was so much going on during that assault that I was just sitting and enjoying the carnage, without paying as much attention to weapon details as I normally would. And now that I'm sitting here trying to recall, my mind is blanking on me. Anyone able to refresh my memory? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 02:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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He had a pistol? There was too much for me to take in at once!--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 04:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, he most noticeably using it when he was clearing the soldiers out of one of those tents or whatever they were. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 05:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh yeah now I remember it, I believe it was a Beretta. I could be wrong though.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 15:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its definaty a 'box' shaped pistol, I just watched it again, looked like a p99 to me, but the only times we see it he is moving, there are no close up either --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Now that you mention it, I vaguely recall it looking like a P99 as well. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 22:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== low quality caps  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Some of the lower quality caps will be put here until the official dvd or better quality official clips are released. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ar15var.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Team members carry the Vltor / Noveske Diplomat with EOTech, flashlight, and laser sights.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-f2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yang with his F2000 Tactical with Christmas's MP5K on the left.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-aa122.jpg|thumb|none|600px|&amp;quot;Damn that thing's loud!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:The_expendable-ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers firing their AKs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-ak2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enemy soldiers fire their AKs as the team takes cover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
==Smoke Grenade==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The_expendable-smoke.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smoke grenade about to go off.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Demolition Man==&lt;br /&gt;
in the promo still of sly aiming at dolph who is thretening li, doent it lookan awful lot like some of the scenes from demolition man?--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 01:29, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don't recall a single scene like that from Demolition Man but if you recall a specific part feel free to point it out. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 04:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think he means these two shots [[Image:DemoMan_011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]] [[Image:Expendables.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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yeah thats the one, thamks Funkychinaman.--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, he's wearing a beret in both pics, but other than that, it's just 2 shots of the same actor holding a gun, and not even in the same situation, one he's holding it directly to someone's head, the other he's standing several feet away pointing it at someone. [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 20:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he said they look alike. As you pointed out, they look alike. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well yeah, in the sense that it's the same dude holding a gun in both shots. By that reasoning, any 2 shots of Arnie holding an M16 will look alike, or any 2 shots of Chow Yun Fat holding 2 pistols, and so on. Doesn't mean End of Days looks an awful lot like Predator, does it? [[User:DKS01|DKS01]] 10:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::He mentioned it, and I found it in two minutes, so obviously he wasn't he only one. It's like if Arnold made another movie where he held a shotgun with one arm while wearing a black leather jacket. Why are you getting worked up about this? The guy made an observation, that's all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 11:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so the pistol is different and the goatee too, but in both shots, aiming one handed, tac vest over black t-shirt and black beret, i think its similar enough --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed it too and thought it was pretty badass. DKS01 you need to chill out with these comments. Let other people have an opinion. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Fallout:_New_Vegas&amp;diff=320919</id>
		<title>Talk:Fallout: New Vegas</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-29T23:07:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Varmint Rifle */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Shouldn't this be part of the Fallout 3 page? Unless I'm mistaken it's just an add on to that game and not something stand alone.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, Fallout New Vegas is NOT a DLC for Fallout 3. It's a new game developed by Obsidian but they are using the same gaming engine that Bethesta used for Fallout 3. But this is a different game. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks for the correction Excaliber. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 02:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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How come it seem like there are less gun's up? With the new IGN interview that came out I would have thought that the new guns would be up already.[[User:King of the Waste|King of the Waste]] 06:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well you could post the link to that interview instead of just whinning about it...--[[Special:Contributions/74.177.136.251|74.177.136.251]] 02:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Sturdy caravan shotgun, and the Mercenary's grenade rifle are unique weapon of ordinary guns the Caravan Gun and Grenade Launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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The silenced .22 smg looks like an American-180 smg.  David.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chey Tac Intervention?==&lt;br /&gt;
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doesnt this look like a Chey Tac Intervention [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/File:FNV_Antimateriel_Rifle.png&lt;br /&gt;
]--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 08:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It kinda does [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:36, 13 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah but it looks like it has a wooden grip and stock. Its cool how the developers are taking modern weapons and making them fit the retro mood by putting wood parts on them, like they did with the M60 and M16 clone&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll say it again, since someone seems to think deleting other people's posts is fine. That's not an M16 clone, that's an AR-10. It was developed before the M16, and it was developed into the M16. Furthermore, they aren't giving it a more retro look by putting wooden parts on it, since that's how it always looks. But no, it isn't an M16 clone, the M16 is a clone of it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and the G3 (in game called the R91 Assault Rifle)&lt;br /&gt;
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It's not really a G3 since it fires the 5.56 NATO [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It also looks like a PTRS, sorta [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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No, it's a PGM Hecate II&lt;br /&gt;
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Wasn't the R91 a HK 53?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Grenade Rifle== &lt;br /&gt;
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Yo, the &amp;quot;Mercenary 40mm Grenade Rifle&amp;quot; is just the unique version, part of a pre-order package from Worst Buy. The normal version will probably be called &amp;quot;grenade rifle&amp;quot; or something&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seriously, can't they just call it a &amp;quot;grenade launcher&amp;quot;? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::according to the fallout wiki it is called a grenade launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's name is Grenade Launcher, and it can be upgraded with a pump mechanism that makes it work like the China Lake Launcher. So basically it's an M79 that can be upgraded to resemble the China Lake Launcher.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something from E3 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw something on E3 for this game that looked like a china lake pump action grenade launcher.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I saw the Fallout: New Vegas demo at E3 as well, and I'm pretty sure that was the China Lake Grenade Launcher, but we all can be pretty damn sure it's either an upgrade for the M79 Grenade Launcher or will appear later on in the game - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon Degneration ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope they take out the weapon degeneration in this game.  That really sucked in Fallout 3.  I would get into a firefight and not pull out my Chinese Assault Rifle because even though I had over 500 rounds of ammunition it was almost broken so I didn't want to use it unless necessary so I had to use some other weapon of which I had almost no ammo for.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The game would be way to easy without weapon disintegration. And it makes it more realistic. I just think its good that they have you maintain your weapon, while in other games you can fire off thousands of rounds of ammunition and the gun functions normally&lt;br /&gt;
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also most of the guns are 200 years old and survived world war 3 so there not in prime conduction&lt;br /&gt;
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I remember in fallout 3 fire rate would get lower damage go down a little bit and accuracy suffered, i kind of wish theyd introduce weapon jams though, it seems no games have jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually Fallout 3 kinda did have a jam system. You take a gun out or reload it and there's an animation to simulate a misfed or something and you see your character rack the slide or charging handle again after taking the weapon out because it's in poor condition. What I do find interesting is the Realism mode which means everything including ammo has weight now and healing takes more time instead of instant heal. I am glad for new weapons. It kinda pissed me off that we didn't have M16s all around but instead G3s as the American rifles. It's like in their universe, American adapted a G3 variant that fires 5.56 instead of the M16. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also there are already two games I can tell you of that have weapon jamming too. S.T.A.L.K.E.R (because I am that much of a stalker whore :D) and farcry 2. Farcry 2 has jam animations, but stalker only gets you to reload if your gun jams. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I know America's Army 2 has jamming. 3 most likely does too.  Far Cry 2 was fun but you just had to switch out your weapon every other mission to get around the jamming.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a game hasn't done is have you fire your gun and in the middle of shooting, you jam or get a stovepipe and then animate your character clearing the jam. All the time, a jam happens after you reload. You just see your character rack the charging handle once or twice and then you're good to go. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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As much of a disappointent as OF:Dragon rising was (online didnt work, although there was bullet drop the rounds all did equal damage and each soldier had a health system, no one shot kills) it had jams be rare, random, and caught you by surprise. I had a mid mag jam in an m4a1 and a saw jam while supressing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In gears of war 2 the lancer can jam, mid mag. This was an online glitch the developers left in. If you jam (youll know as the gun stops firing mid mag and marcus will yell, aww crap, you the have to reload to unjam the weapon with the same animation as a fail quickload jam in game. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== 1887 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That 1887 does not look like an 1887 to me. I can't see a lever action on it, and it looks like it's ejecting from the bottom. I do see a hammer or something on it, but judging by the overall appearance I'd say it's based more on an Ithaca.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Trailer clearly shows a lever action being worked -k9870&lt;br /&gt;
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Then they made a huge mistake having it eject from the bottom like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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-there all based on real guns but made up for the fallout universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking at Far Cry 2, couldn't it just be a Winchesthaca 1837? --[[Special:Contributions/83.79.126.90|83.79.126.90]] 20:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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A what? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I ''assume'' that they mean a cross between the Winchester 1887, and the Ithaca 37, though I'm not entirely sure why they think that the one on the Far Cry page is a combination of those two, or why they think the one on ''this'' page is the same. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 23:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::He or She is making fun of the fact that most gaming companies wouldn't know the difference between their ass, a hole in the ground, an Ithaca 37, and Winchester shotgun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Varmint Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100818184123/fallout/images/4/41/Varmintrifleback.jpg There's this photo.] Does the weapon resemble any real .22 rifle? --[[User:AlPachinko|AlPachinko]] 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like that [[Armalite AR-7]] .22lr --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Walking_Dead_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=311839</id>
		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
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		<updated>2010-08-09T23:02:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel.  [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Walking_Dead_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=311836</id>
		<title>Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Walking_Dead_(TV_Series)&amp;diff=311836"/>
		<updated>2010-08-09T22:56:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: New page: That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. humanzie3&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=The_Crazies_(2010)&amp;diff=302855</id>
		<title>The Crazies (2010)</title>
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		<updated>2010-07-19T17:03:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Glock 26 */&lt;/p&gt;
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'''The Crazies''' is a remake of the George A. Romero film made in 1973. The plot revolves around a small town that after becoming contaminated is quarantined by the military who plans to eliminate the towns folk. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Rossi Overland Double Barrel Shotgun==&lt;br /&gt;
In the beginning of the film, Rory Hamill ([[Mike Hickman]]) walks onto the baseball field with a full length [[Rossi Overland]] double barrel shotgun.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rossi Overland.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Rossi Overland Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies SBSShotgun 17.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rory looks at his shotgun as Dutten questions him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies SBSShotgun 6.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Rory points the shotgun at Sheriff Dutten.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 30==&lt;br /&gt;
Sheriff Dutten ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) apparently carries a [[Glock_30#Glock_30|Glock 30]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock30.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 30 .45 ACP]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-GL30-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutton draws his Glock on Rory.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies Glock 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutton with his Glock while searching the morgue.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Glock 26==&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Russell Clank ([[Joe Anderson]]) finds a [[Glock 26]] in the crashed SUV.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-GL26-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good side view of the Glock as Russell draws it.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-GL26-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russell points his Glock at Dutten.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-GL26-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutten holds Russell's own Glock on him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 27==&lt;br /&gt;
Sheriff Dutten ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) retrieves a [[Smith &amp;amp; Wesson Model 27]] with a 3.5&amp;quot; barrel from a lockbox in his desk. He loads it with .38 Special cartridges as seen on the headstamp. Dutten's back story is that his father was the former sheriff, making the Model 27 his duty revolver.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:S&amp;amp;WRev.jpg|thumb|none|400px|S&amp;amp;W Model 27-2 (.357 magnum with 3.5&amp;quot; barrel)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-S&amp;amp;W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutten opens the lockbox to get his father's Model 27.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-S&amp;amp;W27-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutten loads a single round as he hears someone approaching. Note Federal .38 Special on the headstamp.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-S&amp;amp;W27-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Clank ([[Joe Anderson]]) shoots Curt &amp;amp; Peggy Hamill after they are already down]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies S&amp;amp;W-04.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Dutten ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) with his Model 27 drawn while going through the car wash for cover from the helicopter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies S&amp;amp;W 13.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-S&amp;amp;W27-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dutten ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes aim at the Intelligence Officer's SUV.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-S&amp;amp;W27-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Judy Dutten ([[Radha Mitchell]]) with the Model 27 while in the semi.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ithaca Model 37 Shotgun==&lt;br /&gt;
When the three hunters discover the dead plane pilot in the swamp one of them carries an [[Ithaca 37]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ithaca 37]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-ITHACA37.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hunter with an Ithaca 37, note the lack of side ejection port.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Deputy Russell Clank ([[Joe Anderson]]) wields an [[Ithaca Model 37]] shotgun with extended magazine tube - 12 gauge.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:IthacaExtMagTub.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 with extended magazine tube - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies Ithaca37 19.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Russell aims his Ithaca while at Scotty's barn]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies Ithaca37 12.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Russell with his Ithaca while going through the car wash.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies Ithaca37 11.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Russel aims his Ithaca.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Colt M4A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The Soldiers that are sent to 'Clean Up' the infection carry [[M4A1]] Rifles usually with a 4x ACOG scope and flash-lights. At one point in the movie a soldier aims down the scope but a red flash is emitted like it was a laser sight.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:cz.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldier's M4 seen with an AN/PEQ-2, Knight's Armament RAS and Vertical forward grip, M68 CCO mounted on a backwards cantilever mount and a closed dust cover.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:cz2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Soldier's M4 seen with an AN/PEQ-2, Knight's Armament RAS and Vertical forward grip, Unidentified ACOG and left mounted flashlight. Note the lack of trigger discipline.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the infected hunters with an M4A1.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mossberg 930==&lt;br /&gt;
What possibly could be a Mossberg 930 is used by one of the hunters in the swamp and later when they are seen killing Crazies in the deserted town center.&lt;br /&gt;
:Note: It may be a Marocchi A12 semiauto shotgun based on the shape of the forend.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mossberg 930.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies SemiAutoShotgun09.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington Model 700 BDL Bolt Action Rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
Sheriff Dutten acquires a [[Remington Model 700|Remington Model 700 BDL]] from Scotty McGregor ([[Justin Miles]]) in the garage.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 700 BDL]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies BoltAction07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Scotty with his Remington Model 700 BDL, this shot from the trailer is reversed from what the actual film shows.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crazies BoltAction 18.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Dutten with Scotty's rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-WIN70.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Russell fires the remaining rounds from the rifle after getting tired of carrying it.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remington 870==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the hunters, Jesse ([[Brett Wagner]]) carries a [[Remington 870]] in the swamp.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TC-870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jesse with a Remington 870.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unknown S&amp;amp;W auto==&lt;br /&gt;
Jesse draws an unknown Smith &amp;amp; Wesson auto on Sheriff Dutten at the truck stop.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[category:Movie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Horror]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Thriller]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Humanzie3</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Burn_Notice&amp;diff=281862</id>
		<title>Talk:Burn Notice</title>
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		<updated>2010-06-04T00:22:51Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Lol Wut?==&lt;br /&gt;
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: &amp;quot;I know that in the new Burn Notice episode &amp;quot;Question &amp;amp; Answer,&amp;quot; a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is &amp;quot;Double Down&amp;quot; look it up.&amp;quot; Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Formatting==&lt;br /&gt;
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the &amp;quot;Edit&amp;quot; button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).&lt;br /&gt;
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::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester&lt;br /&gt;
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::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]&lt;br /&gt;
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WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
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:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on &amp;quot;The Unit&amp;quot;). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like &amp;quot;not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle&amp;quot; instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked.  That's definetly not a Jericho.  I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model.  Here's the image I got&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It is either a S&amp;amp;W 4006 or S&amp;amp;W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fiona's assault rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).&lt;br /&gt;
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It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sam's Rifle ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona.  Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing.  It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR.  I don't think it's an SR-25.  They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mark 23==&lt;br /&gt;
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!&lt;br /&gt;
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==sig 226==&lt;br /&gt;
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i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,&lt;br /&gt;
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==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
2 Errors of note:  The Steyr is a Remington 700.  The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present.  It's not a ProHunter either.  &lt;br /&gt;
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The Winchester 1300's aren't either.  Note the lack of v-shaped reciever.  They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accuracy International==&lt;br /&gt;
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During the episode &amp;quot;Double Booked&amp;quot; Michael apparently assembles an &amp;quot;AI AWC&amp;quot; but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Desert Eagle ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Added Desert Eagle to handgun list.  Season 3 Episode 4 &amp;quot;Fearless Leader&amp;quot;.  --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010 &lt;br /&gt;
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== Beretta Tomcat==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Season 3 Episode 8 &amp;quot;Friends Like These&amp;quot;. Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.&lt;br /&gt;
==Sig not Glock==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered Glock 19.]]&lt;br /&gt;
 - This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?&lt;br /&gt;
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==HK USP compact 45==&lt;br /&gt;
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiona's M1==&lt;br /&gt;
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.&lt;br /&gt;
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''&lt;br /&gt;
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:''The &amp;quot;Family Business&amp;quot; M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in &amp;quot;Turn and Burn.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiona's rifle==&lt;br /&gt;
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend&lt;br /&gt;
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle &lt;br /&gt;
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I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&amp;amp;catalog_=B&lt;br /&gt;
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==S3Ep13==&lt;br /&gt;
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Great show ==&lt;br /&gt;
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Heh, right on. &amp;quot;Honey! I got you a S&amp;amp;W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!&amp;quot; --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== cz 75 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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in season 3 episode 6 &amp;quot;the hunter&amp;quot; Michael and his new friend John Beck uses czech cz 75 pistole.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bn1.jpg]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==BNS4==&lt;br /&gt;
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Resident Evil: Afterlife</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Alice */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Another one? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I still can't believe they are making another RE movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just don't take it seriously.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Unfortunately Excalibur, I'm with the others on this one.  Just don't watch it and stop complaining about it ;) LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::But I LOVE to bitch about things [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I can't wait for this movie. :) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree with spartan, the movie looks awsome&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I for one LOVE these movies. When I heard there is another one I was like &amp;quot;YES, please! Gimme gimme gimme.&amp;quot; [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 22:04, 11 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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The only problem I have with the franchise is that the endings are confusing to me. Maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention, but the end of the 2nd film lost me; when they run from the helicopter crash yet return in Umbrella Gear and pick Alice up. Can anyone explain? Anyway, I am looking forward to this film. LASTMANSTANDING&lt;br /&gt;
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==Macedonian Shooting==&lt;br /&gt;
it is just me or dose it look like Wesker is using the Russian shooting style called  Macedonian Shooting?&lt;br /&gt;
:just you&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's just dual wielding or Akimbo. There's nothing tactical about it. And if only the Russians invent a style for double guns, then it shows you how good it is if the Russians are using it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can't wait for it i loved the first 3&lt;br /&gt;
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has anyone noticed that Alice's double barreled shotguns have black grips of the first photo?&lt;br /&gt;
:Rubber. I think she's gonna smack someone with it or just drop them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alice seems to always dual wield every weapon she has. The shotguns and 629's in this film, P-14's and kukris in Extinction, batons, MP5K's and P-14's in Apocalypse. Next thing she probably carries dual M4's, or even M60's. --[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 13:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC) She was using P-18's in Extinction.&lt;br /&gt;
::It looks more badass + bigger firepower. And in first part she packed single beretta if i remember rite.&lt;br /&gt;
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i thought there was something different with them rubber it is then&lt;br /&gt;
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==Samurai Edge==&lt;br /&gt;
I hope we get to see Weskers custom Beretta.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seems he is wielding dual Desert Eagles. So tell me as somebody that has not have the movies ruine the game (since i've never played them), what does Weskers custom Beretta look like? Anybody got any pics [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 21:56, 11 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Just look at the RE5 page.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After googling it I have to ask: &amp;quot;Am I missing something?&amp;quot;. It's just a Beretta 92 with a full dust cover with a rail.  [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:45 13 April 2010 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You definitely are missing something. It has a bevertail tang (something that no production 92F has), a tactical rail, extended magazine catch, skeletal hammer, plus the multitude of features found on the other Samurai Edge customs (extended slide-stop, custom multi-layered grips, brigadier slide).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Fair enough but nothing I cannot do with my Beretta 92 except for the bevertail. I haven't seen that option to buy somewhere. But I did miss something cause the images I got definately didn't show all of those features. Thanks for the info. :) Does somebody have an image to stick here. :) :)  [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 11:38, 16 April 2010 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Like I said, a 92F beavertail was never put into production, so that means that such a frame would have to be custom crafted. Plus all of the other features together would be well over $1,000 for someone to replicate. And there's no reason to put an image of it here; just go to the RE5 page on this site. All of the customizations can be easily seen there.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 16:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sunglasses reflection ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually is is very much Ali's Claire Redfield.  Try reading some of the set reports for the movie because IMDB isn't going to tell you anything except for who is playing who.&lt;br /&gt;
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You know your absolutely right...IMDB is never wrong...EVER.  Lets just forget the fact that they had Kacey listed as Jill Valentine for over a month.&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at Kacey's upwards turned nose and very full lipped mouth.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't see anyone commenting on my proof that is is Claire that I posted below.  Everyone decide to shut up now that you've been proven wrong?&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's not a terribly mature response. And start signing your posts.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and if you noticed under i did comment that you were right &amp;quot;NICELY DONE&amp;quot; but you remained a dick, i agree entirely with pistol junkie you are immature you are most probably oblivious of that fact.--[[User:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're not helping things by responding like that, either.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its my arguement stop butting in im allowed to respond in any way i can and want    --[[User:moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:If that's your belief, you may want to review the site's [[Rules, Standards and Principles]], specifically Principles.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 09:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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...no&lt;br /&gt;
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anyway you are argueing too if you haven't noticed so you look at the rules too before you start telling others to stop what your doing   --[[User:moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm not referring to arguing or debating. I'm referring to hostile, profane insults towards other users. It would seem you did not bother to read the page that I linked to.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 12:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wesker vs Chris, Claire and Alice ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's called research people.  Read it and weep fools.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://scifiwire.com/2010/04/resident-evil-afterlife-n.php&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/19697&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and here is a side by side picture of the girl in the lens and Kacey.  You'd have to be a complete moron to think they even look the same.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://img173.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=50647_Untitled_3_122_73lo.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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Well would you look at this.  Seems like Ali Larter herself did an interview for the fine folks over at ShockTillYouDrop.com and wouldn't you know it...she talks about the fight scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Shock: You know that big fight scene coming up next week with Wentworth and Shawn [Roberts]. Have you been practicing? What's it been like?&lt;br /&gt;
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Larter: We did. We did some stunt rehearsal for that which is great. I think that a lot of the fan boys are going to be thrilled because it is beat by beat from the videogame. It is drawn directly from it and I think with this movie, one of the most exciting things is that this is the most like the videogame. I mean, I'm dressed in the outfit that Claire wears. You see me and Chris in this fight sequence, it's really beat for beat.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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source - http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/interviewsnews.php?id=14786&lt;br /&gt;
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aaaaaah i guess you were right &lt;br /&gt;
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nicely done&lt;br /&gt;
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::the movies have already ruined the back story of RE, now they got stuff from RE 5, so yeah, circle complete. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shotguns==&lt;br /&gt;
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I can clearly see from the stills alice has the revolvers under her arms anf the dual sawn offs on her back. So why does it say she holsters them under her arms. Look at the pics! --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alice==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alice is really packing some heavy hardware in this movie.--[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]  24 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Resident Evil: Afterlife</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== Another one? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I still can't believe they are making another RE movie. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just don't take it seriously.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Unfortunately Excalibur, I'm with the others on this one.  Just don't watch it and stop complaining about it ;) LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::But I LOVE to bitch about things [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I can't wait for this movie. :) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree with spartan, the movie looks awsome&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I for one LOVE these movies. When I heard there is another one I was like &amp;quot;YES, please! Gimme gimme gimme.&amp;quot; [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 22:04, 11 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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The only problem I have with the franchise is that the endings are confusing to me. Maybe I'm just not paying close enough attention, but the end of the 2nd film lost me; when they run from the helicopter crash yet return in Umbrella Gear and pick Alice up. Can anyone explain? Anyway, I am looking forward to this film. LASTMANSTANDING&lt;br /&gt;
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==Macedonian Shooting==&lt;br /&gt;
it is just me or dose it look like Wesker is using the Russian shooting style called  Macedonian Shooting?&lt;br /&gt;
:just you&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's just dual wielding or Akimbo. There's nothing tactical about it. And if only the Russians invent a style for double guns, then it shows you how good it is if the Russians are using it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can't wait for it i loved the first 3&lt;br /&gt;
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has anyone noticed that Alice's double barreled shotguns have black grips of the first photo?&lt;br /&gt;
:Rubber. I think she's gonna smack someone with it or just drop them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alice seems to always dual wield every weapon she has. The shotguns and 629's in this film, P-14's and kukris in Extinction, batons, MP5K's and P-14's in Apocalypse. Next thing she probably carries dual M4's, or even M60's. --[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 13:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC) She was using P-18's in Extinction.&lt;br /&gt;
::It looks more badass + bigger firepower. And in first part she packed single beretta if i remember rite.&lt;br /&gt;
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i thought there was something different with them rubber it is then&lt;br /&gt;
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==Samurai Edge==&lt;br /&gt;
I hope we get to see Weskers custom Beretta.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seems he is wielding dual Desert Eagles. So tell me as somebody that has not have the movies ruine the game (since i've never played them), what does Weskers custom Beretta look like? Anybody got any pics [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 21:56, 11 April 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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Just look at the RE5 page.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After googling it I have to ask: &amp;quot;Am I missing something?&amp;quot;. It's just a Beretta 92 with a full dust cover with a rail.  [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:45 13 April 2010 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You definitely are missing something. It has a bevertail tang (something that no production 92F has), a tactical rail, extended magazine catch, skeletal hammer, plus the multitude of features found on the other Samurai Edge customs (extended slide-stop, custom multi-layered grips, brigadier slide).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Fair enough but nothing I cannot do with my Beretta 92 except for the bevertail. I haven't seen that option to buy somewhere. But I did miss something cause the images I got definately didn't show all of those features. Thanks for the info. :) Does somebody have an image to stick here. :) :)  [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 11:38, 16 April 2010 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Like I said, a 92F beavertail was never put into production, so that means that such a frame would have to be custom crafted. Plus all of the other features together would be well over $1,000 for someone to replicate. And there's no reason to put an image of it here; just go to the RE5 page on this site. All of the customizations can be easily seen there.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 16:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sunglasses reflection ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually is is very much Ali's Claire Redfield.  Try reading some of the set reports for the movie because IMDB isn't going to tell you anything except for who is playing who.&lt;br /&gt;
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You know your absolutely right...IMDB is never wrong...EVER.  Lets just forget the fact that they had Kacey listed as Jill Valentine for over a month.&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at Kacey's upwards turned nose and very full lipped mouth.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't see anyone commenting on my proof that is is Claire that I posted below.  Everyone decide to shut up now that you've been proven wrong?&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's not a terribly mature response. And start signing your posts.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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and if you noticed under i did comment that you were right &amp;quot;NICELY DONE&amp;quot; but you remained a dick, i agree entirely with pistol junkie you are immature you are most probably oblivious of that fact.--[[User:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're not helping things by responding like that, either.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 18:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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its my arguement stop butting in im allowed to respond in any way i can and want    --[[User:moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:If that's your belief, you may want to review the site's [[Rules, Standards and Principles]], specifically Principles.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 09:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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anyway you are argueing too if you haven't noticed so you look at the rules too before you start telling others to stop what your doing   --[[User:moviemaster1993]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I'm not referring to arguing or debating. I'm referring to hostile, profane insults towards other users. It would seem you did not bother to read the page that I linked to.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 12:31, 18 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wesker vs Chris, Claire and Alice ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's called research people.  Read it and weep fools.&lt;br /&gt;
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http://scifiwire.com/2010/04/resident-evil-afterlife-n.php&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh and here is a side by side picture of the girl in the lens and Kacey.  You'd have to be a complete moron to think they even look the same.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well would you look at this.  Seems like Ali Larter herself did an interview for the fine folks over at ShockTillYouDrop.com and wouldn't you know it...she talks about the fight scene.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Shock: You know that big fight scene coming up next week with Wentworth and Shawn [Roberts]. Have you been practicing? What's it been like?&lt;br /&gt;
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Larter: We did. We did some stunt rehearsal for that which is great. I think that a lot of the fan boys are going to be thrilled because it is beat by beat from the videogame. It is drawn directly from it and I think with this movie, one of the most exciting things is that this is the most like the videogame. I mean, I'm dressed in the outfit that Claire wears. You see me and Chris in this fight sequence, it's really beat for beat.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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aaaaaah i guess you were right &lt;br /&gt;
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::the movies have already ruined the back story of RE, now they got stuff from RE 5, so yeah, circle complete. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can clearly see from the stills alice has the revolvers under her arms anf the dual sawn offs on her back. So why does it say she holsters them under her arms. Look at the pics! --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alice==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alice is really packing some heavy hardware in this movie.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Humanzie3: /* Prop gun */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Prop gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It looks like underneath all that prop is some kind of AR-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hmmm... my brother thinks it an Remington ACR. I think it looks like an insane prop Browing M1919 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Definitely an AR-15.-protoAuthor 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lohans Revolver==&lt;br /&gt;
 From the size and 5 chambered cylinder i'd say lohans revolver is a Smith n Wesson 500 - CaptainSnikt&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a S&amp;amp;W 500. when they do the freeze frame on her there is a better view of it.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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