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Talk:Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

2017-10-07T21:21:30Z

Gunner5: /* Cassian’s Five-Seven */ new section

== Rogue One Celebration Images ==

Some images from the Reel:

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==Title==
It's good to see that someone finally split the trilogies up, but I'm not sure about calling this trilogy "''Stories''"; right now, it seems they're calling it the [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Anthology_Series ''Anthology Series''].--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 03:14, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

: They originally called it Anthology, but the subtitle now just seems to be "A Star Wars Story". --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:06, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

::That's only ''Rogue One'', though. The series itself hasn't been renamed.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 16:06, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

:::As far as I have heard it isn't, that is the subtitle they are giving all of them. I specifically remember the point at which they changed from "Anthology", because a lot of people hated this new one. There was a point at Celebration where I believe Kathleen Kennedy referred to Rogue One as "our first Star Wars story" which further suggests that this is what they are calling them. They also have not used the term "Anthology" since then. I wouldn't be surprised if they drop or change this as people really don't seem to like it, but currently that is the most accurate description. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:19, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

::::Alright, fair enough.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:43, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::Also the upcoming Han Solo movie has been referred too as "Untitled Han Solo Star Wars Story" --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 17:15, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

== Prop images ==

I took a few photos of some of the prop weapons which are vaguely helpful (unfortunately i only had my phone with me and the lighting and glass cases are less than ideal).

*Firstly, the death troopers have this pistol strapped to their hip:
:[[File:SWCE 1.jpg|thumb|200px|none|]]
:This looks like the BlasTech SE-14C Blaster Pistol (Rexim-Favor Mk5) fro mthe original trilogy with possibly a different scope.
*The death trooper rifle appears to be the standard stormtrooper rifle with a barrel shroud with a flashlight on the side with a slightly modified Troy PDW stock:
:[[File:SWCE 3.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
*The shoretrooper rifle again appears to be based on the standard rifle but has a barrel shroud and a second barrel of some sort underneath:
:[[File:SWCE 2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:Not quite sure what the stock is, might have started life a a Magpul PRS but not sure about that one.
*Director Orson Krennic has this holstered pistol which I originally though was nothing:
:[[File:20160716 102112.jpg|thumb|200px|none|]]
:On second viewing though, is this based on the back end of an MP40?
*Here is a shot of Jyn's pistol in its holster:
:[[File:SWCE 5.jpg|thumb|200px|none|]]
::This pistol can be adapted into a rifle.
:I had assumed that all of the weapons in this were just solid resin props based on real guns, but that fact that the magazine is missing here suggests that it may actually be a real gun or an Airsoft. Or maybe it is just a fabricated prop where they went to the trouble of adding a removable "power pack".
*Chirrut has this weird unfolding blaster bow thing:
:[[File:SWCE 6.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:It initially looks like nothing but I think that the back end may use stormtrooper blaster parts:
:[[File:SWCE 7.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
::From a better picture ive seen it looks like the grip and trigger guard off a Sterling was used, i'm not sure if any more of the Sterling is used though.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 13:52, 13 December 2016 (EST)
*There were also several standard stormtrooper costumes on display, and they actually had two slightly different rifle props. The first was the classic rifle, but there was also this one:
:[[File:SWCE 8.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:It is very similar but there are a couple of differences. It has a flashlight on the barrel shroud, the scope is slightly different and I think that magazine is longer.
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:06, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

:Nice pictures! Wish I was there. A few notes:
:*The death trooper stock is a VFC HK416C stock.
:*Krennic's blast is indeed a modified MP40.
:*Jyn's pistol (I think) is a WE Luger.
:*I thought I spotted gun parts on that bow. At first I thought it might be MG15 parts, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
:*The flashlight is a knock off (made by Element) SureFire M300 Mini Scout Light WeaponLight.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:42, 16 July 2016 (EDT)
::You're right about the stock, forgot about the hk equivalent. As for the bow, the main thing that makes me think it is Sterling based is the pivot behind the pistol grip where the folding stock would normally go. This may just be coincidence though, as having what appears to be an ejection port on the left side is wrong. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:57, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

:::I think you're right about it being a Sterling, but maybe they only used the grip?--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 15:37, 17 July 2016 (EDT)

On a side note, Krennic's blaster is also seen pretty clearly in the first trailer. It's from a distance but pretty well lit and offers a decent view if anyone wants to cap it. It's at about a minute in.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 03:59, 18 July 2016 (EDT)
I'd heard (and, having just watched the movie at the nearest Regal, seen) that Andor has what looks like a Wechselapparat tank on his back. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:22, 26 December 2016 (EST)

== Pao's Tabanna-Jacked Blaster Rifle ==

The Rebel commando Pao carries a rifle built around an unknown base firearm, probably an AR15/M16.
[[File:Rogue-One-08.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:I don't think it is based on an AR, here is a more side on image of it:[[File:Rogue One Pao.jpeg|thumb|500px|none|]]There doesn't appear to be any part that is based on an AR. From images I have seen Pao is smaller than humans, so this is probably a smaller scale weapon to suit him.
::After seeing a far better view of this is definitely either a heavily modified MP40 lower and grip/trigger guard or a full receiver from a Rexim Favor submachine gun with the magazine housing removed and plenty of added details on the barrel and it's extension. The shoulder stock could be off any number of rifles. --[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 18:11, 17 December 2016 (EST)

== Moroff's Vulk TAU-6-23 "Blastmill" rotary blaster cannon ==
Also in this batch of promo images was this one of Moroff:[[File:Rogue One Moroff.jpeg|thumb|500px|none|]]He is carrying what appears to be a MG34 based rifle, and on his pack is a Sterling based weapon. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:25, 28 November 2016 (EST)
::That's definitely an M60, not an MG34.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 20:29, 28 November 2016 (EST)
:::Your right, at a glance I incorrectly assumed it was just one of the shore trooper blasters without the scope, but it is something totally different to either that or the machine gun used by Bistan as it has [http://planoinformativo.com/stock12/image/2016/Octubre/17/carta3.jpg rotary barrels]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:48, 28 November 2016 (EST)

::::An M60 combined with an M134, it seems. There's better pictures out there of the accessory that comes with the 3.75″ figure.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 23:35, 5 December 2016 (EST)

== Rogue One weapons video ==

The Star Wars Show did [https://youtu.be/TvAIy6Go7iA?t=3m46s a segment] about some of the Rogues one weapons that showed a few interesting things. Firstly, it seems that most of the weapons are airsoft that actually fire to give the performers something to react to. It also seems that there are bright lights built into the muzzle synchronised with firing, I assume so that they can more easily sync up the special effects. Krennic's blaster is actually a break action that is fed from a three shot cylinder. Some of the rifles carried by the rebels in this are takedown rifles that consist of a base pistol, a stock, and an extended barrel (which also contains a telescopic sight and an extra magazine). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:48, 14 December 2016 (EST)

== Your thoughts? ==

I watched this movie yesterday and I was actually quite pleased. I am a big Star Wars fan, but Episode VII felt like a complete rehash of the original. This, however, was alot more original and in my opinion, a better movie.--[[User:H3nry8adger1982|H3nry8adger1982]] ([[User talk:H3nry8adger1982|talk]]) 08:48, 21 December 2016 (EST)H3nry8adger1982
:I loved it, it managed to feel like a Star Wars movie while bringing some legit originality to the series (Dat hallways scene at the end tho!!) --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 10:02, 21 December 2016 (EST)
::I really liked it. As a massive Star Wars nerd it had the sort of fan service that I like (blue milk, Red/Gold leaders, Juggernaut, Ghost, Whills, Vader's castle, stuff like that), only possible exception was Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba which was a bit on the nose, and also kind of made no sense. I am curious to know how the film was supposed to go before the reshoots though. At least it isn't a Fant4stic situation where it is painfully obvious which bits are the reshoots, but from the trailers it is clear that the ending originally happened very differently. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:03, 21 December 2016 (EST)
:::Felicity Jones is said to have signed a multi-picture deal, it's unknown what the current status of the deal is.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 16:31, 21 December 2016 (EST)
::::If anybody hasn't seen this and doesn't want to get spoiled stop reading now: I doubt that is still relevent, as that was signed before production started and at that point there were still a bit up in the air as to who was surviving the film. In the original script all of the main characters survived but this obviously changed over the pre production process. It would be a total cop-out if she survived the film as it was pretty definitive what happened, and if they wanted her to appear in a film set before Rogue One then they would have to work VERY quickly to et the ages to vaguely line up. Even the Han Solo film wouldn't really work as I think even that is about 10 years before this film. Of course it could tie in to an Episode VIII flashback but I don't think so. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:12, 21 December 2016 (EST)
:::::SPOILER HEREIN. Judging by the scenes in the trailer that didn't make it into the final film the original ending probably had Jyn and Andor escaping with the plans (As you see her and Andor running through the beach battle with the plans) instead of uploading them, so they kept the option open for her to return in another Anthology/Story movie, but with the reshoots they probably won't have her in another movie (unless they decide to do a movie based on her character for some reason.) --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 17:49, 21 December 2016 (EST)
::::::I believe that before they started filming they intended for her to die, so I don't think they ever escaped with the plans (also, in A New Hope it is stated that the plans were beamed to the Tantive IV so I doubt they would have changed it and made it so a physical copy was taken away). I believe that in the original cut this ending was more complex and longer, with them getting the data tape from one building but needing to get to another building to transmit the plans to orbit (rather than in the theatrical cut where they just go up to the roof where there is a dish). There are signs that this was the case from the trailers, such as the shot where they are running along the beach towards the AT-ACTs where you can see a large communications tower behind the walkers which it appears they are trying to get to. Also, in the theatrical cut Jyn and Casian are on the beach when the Death Star fires which would make sense if they had just gone to a standalone tower on the beach, but less so in the film where a couple of minutes ago they were on the roof of the Imperial citadel with hundreds of stormtroopers between them and the ground floor. It is a bit weird though, as in some of the trailers they use shots from the two different endings which are mutaully exclusive, as there is one that has them on the beach with the plans running for the comm-tower, but also has the shot with the TIE fighter on the roof of the Citadel by its comm-tower. This shot of the TIE fighter was cut late in the final edit with the current ending, all that happened was that it rose up in front of Jyn but was shot down by an X-Wing but it was cut as they felt it was too similar to the shot with the AT-ACT getting taken out by an X-Wing as it was aiming at Baze. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:24, 21 December 2016 (EST)
:::::::You know, while I really liked the movie, I really wish that some of the main characters had survived, I mean, it seemed as if the movie just went full Halo:Reach with their deaths (I.E. Each one goes out in their own blaze of glory) especially Bodhi's, which was kind of an "and-f-this-guy-too" suckerpunch (to the character) much like Kat's death from Halo, where she takes a sniper round through the head out of nowhere, mid sentence. At the very least, I'd wish that Jyn and Andor had survived (or even just Jyn, but that's my obsession with weapon-wielding brunettes talking.)
:::::::Also, anyone else confused by when the X-wings fired on the shield, and the pilots noted that shooting the shield didn't seem to have any effect, like they didn't notice that MAYBE SHOOTING AT SOMETHING DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO ABSORB BEING SHOT AT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT?
:::::::Lastly, I really loved the Rebel ground troops' weapon handling. I think my eyes lit up when one of the rebels entered the Turbo Tank prisoner transport with a thumb over bore grip, and I probably had a massive grin on my face when the rebels on the ground near the end all moved in a low crouch with good spacing when getting cover before the battle started, and some had their weapons leveled and held thumb over bore. Jyn had good trigger discipline, as well.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 23:23, 22 December 2016 (EST).

Overall, it was a pretty good movie with some flaws to it. I loved the action and how the rebel's M4 style rifle is very modular and I suspect that Andor's pistol might actually be the base gun for the entire system. It's cool to see the Rebel soldiers dress up like space Marines from Aliens almost with actual combat helmet and gear. The scenes where the U-Wing was proving over watch and support while taking down AT-ATs were amazing. But I also feel lied too from the trailers. All the trailers seemed to be promoting a completely different story at the end. The running on the beach, Saw's line about "What will you become?" A lot of things were changed into this different ending. It isn't bad and the balls on Disney for allowing it but I felt like there's a completely different story than what was presented in the end. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:13, 23 December 2016 (EST)

== Jyn Erso's A180 modular blaster ==

[[File:Rey%27s_pistol_ion.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jyn's pistol in what is described as "ion cannon" configuration]]--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 14:48, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:This reminds me, we really should make a page for DICE's Battlefront given that they recreated the props near perfectly (and I presume they made this model from [[Battlefield 1]]'s Luger P.08).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:33, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::I feel like it's more likely that they used the actual modified airsoft luger that was the prop from the film, as I notice that the rear sight is ground off, and that tab at the back is missing. I believe that it was probably easier to make a new model than have to try and perfect all the modifications to the BF1 model. As well, I've noticed that there is no clipping effect between the luger parts and the Star Wars parts in the game, which makes me think that they did just use the props themselves. As well, the trigger looks a bit thicker on the Battlefront model. lastly, the checkering on the grips is way more obvious in the Battlefront model, and very faint in BF1.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 12:40, 29 December 2016 (EST)

== Cassian Andor's Compact Blaster Pistol ==

Now that Rogue one is available for digital, I managed to take some screencaps from the film. As I watched the film, near the end Cassian Andor uses a different pistol compared to the modular A280 he used before:
[[File:Cassian's Compact blaster pistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px| The best view of the pistol, as the rest are out of focus.]]
Judging by the shape of the trigger guard and slide, I'd say this looks like a FN Five-Seven.
[[File:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Any thoughts? --[[User:50AEDeagle|50AEDeagle]] ([[User talk:50AEDeagle|talk]]) 1 April 2017 1:47 PM EST

I'm inclined to agree with you. The overall shape seems very similar and inthink I can even see the separation between the frame and the slide, and it looks about the same as a five-seven.--[[User:1911isthebestgunever|One shot is all it takes.]] ([[User talk:1911isthebestgunever|talk]]) 13:30, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

== Cassian’s Five-Seven ==

Maybe off topic here but I was wondering if there is any lore behind this little pistol yet or is it still an unidenfied blaster. I find it hard to believe that no one in the Star Wars fan community has tried to identify it yet or even make a Wookiepedia page about it.-Gunner5

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Talk:Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare

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Gunner5: /* Homefront? */ new section

If we're using words like "resembles" or "based upon" for every entry on a video game page, I'm not certain about its eligibility. ''Halo'' and ''Turok'' and ''Monday Night Combat'' were disqualified under the same criteria. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:37, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
:How did the Crysis games qualify then? Of course, it's really too early to tell much about AW's guns until closer to release.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 13:44, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
::It's one thing to just change the name, either because you're lazy or you don't want to pay the licensing fees, but it's another to just invent guns. We allow one, not the other. But you're right, it's early. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:54, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

Just a note, bar the 1911 how would alien resurrection qualify? All of the guns are fictional and not based on anything yet halos rifle is loosely based off f2000 and the sniper rifle a mix of barrett m82 and as50 --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:11, 11 August 2014 (EDT)forrest1985
:There was a debate on the talk page for ''Alien: Resurrection'', but in general, made up guns that physically exists (props) trump made up guns that only exist in video games or animation. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:36, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
::I've yanked the "MGL," (didn't look anything like an MGL, it's some werido gun with the export G36 sight and a cylinder that uses giant Dardick Trounds instead of grenades) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:57, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

== Speaking of... ==

I'm pretty sure that in the reveal trailer, there was a brief shot of a Beretta ARX-160 and a holstered pistol that resembled the Steyr M9-A1 was also spotted. One of the devs even mentioned a SPAS 12 beign in the game I believe. Because you know, a shotgun that ceased production over 50 years before the game is supposed to be set is still considered relevant in the mid 21st century. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 16:34, 11 June 2014 (EDT)

== Ak12? ==

Hiya brand new member so hopefully im doing this right? (Fingers crossed).

I wanted your guys opinions but i think the ak in advanced warfare is actually an ak12 not a 74. I have only caught a glimpse of the gas block and front sight from the reveal but im pretty sure its an ak12. The rifle can been seen in the hands of an enemy npc in lagos, Nigeria.

I know that the latest trailer and image on the page shows the bakelite magazine and i cant explain this, but given the advanced timeframe the game takes place in it would make more sense for an ak12 to appear. I have also read that COD games tend to re-skin some weapons from earlier instalments and of course the ak12 was in ghosts, but the 74 has not appeared in any COD game to date.

Also i noticed that the ARX160 appeared briefly in the same trailer, used by a few NPC's,mainly the soldier thrown over the railings.

I am using an iphone and unsure how to post screen-caps, despite reading the tips. If anyone can help i will happily post the images here in the discussion tab.

—Unsigned comment was added by [[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]])

:The thing is that CoD doesn't really care about timelines; as you can see in the Modern Warfare series, the AK-47 was still being used by Russian troops in 2011-2016, despite the weapon having been outdated from more than 50 years ago. By the way the AK-74 appeared in some CoD games, but only in the DS games ''Modern Warfare: Mobilized'' and ''Modern Warfare 3: Defiance''. And next time please sign your posts using 4 tildes. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:51, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

Well i agree with the comment on the ak47, but i have noticed that since black ops 2 that COD is trying to keep up to date with its firearms. whether that has anything to do with the resurgence of battlefield on consoles who knows. Furthermore my point about re-skinning guns remains valid as the DS games are completely different franchises and not on the main stream consoles. Still convinced its an ak12 but i appreciate that as i cant upload my screen caps i cant justify my view. Sorry about the signing title, very new to the site. [[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]])

Not my picture, though this is definitely an AK-12. http://oi58.tinypic.com/qnk4me.jpg --[[User:Lemonificent|Lemonificent]] ([[User talk:Lemonificent|talk]])

[[Image:CoD Advanced Warfare CZ 805.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

The one at the right appears to be a [[CZ 805 BREN]]. Any ideas? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 18:32, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

::I think that being a CZ might be stretching it honestly. Looks more like a futuristic M4 thing to me. Also in the background, there is some sort of LMG- looks almost like an M60. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 20:36, 28 June 2014 (EDT)

Not sure on the cz805, but the carry handle and barrel length on the MG look more like a minimi/m249 to me. Plus looks too "handy" to be an m60. The games box cover shows the protagonist carrying what looks like a robinson armaments XCR. [[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]])

The Cz805/m4 weapon is called the ABRa3 according to latest MP reveal trailer, its pickup icon looks more like an ARX160 with an M4 style stock --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:59, 11 August 2014 (EDT)forrest1985

== Unidentified/fictional weapons ==

[[Image:CoDAW Atlas 45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Atlas 45".]]
[[Image:CoDAW BAL-27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"BAL-27".]]
[[Image:CoDAW Smart Grenade.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Variable Grenade" that can be switched between contact/frag/smart mode.]]

:Not sure about the pistol, but I think the BAL-27 is a futurised MSBS 5.56B with a P90-style magazine mounted on top of the stock. I'm more interested in just how the hell the IMR rifle is supposed to work, it looks like it's indexing rounds into a tube mag from nowhere. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:33, 3 November 2014 (EST)
::The IMR is the Integrated Munitions Rifle. It has an on board 3D printer that prints ammo back into the reserve. That explains part of it... I think it would make more sense for the IMR to put ammo back into the magazine instead of the reserve. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 16:53, 3 November 2014 (EST)
:::Wait, but, but...
:::[[Image:3DPrinting.jpg|thumb|none|275px]]
:::Apart from anything else, carrying the rounds as liquid would ''decrease'' the amount of ammo you could hold because liquids are less dense than solids. And where does it get propellant from, does it 3D print nitrate groups onto the plastic? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 19:28, 3 November 2014 (EST)

Also most of the fictional weapons seem to be reworked from Ghosts; Pytaek is the LSAT, the B27 is the MSBS, the AMR9 I think is a reworked Honey Badger, MP-11 the CBJ-MS, KF5 the Remington R5 and the HBRa3 the CZ 805 BREN. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:27, 4 November 2014 (EST)
:The KF5 ([http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:KF5_menu_icon_AW.png image]) is actually a SIG-Sauer MPX, isn't it? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 05:38, 4 November 2014 (EST)
::I'll have to take a better look at it in the game, I thought the magazine looked a little thick and that the proportions overall seemed rather more AR-like. I'll have to take a better look at the in-world model to see if it isn't just weird perspective. (It probably also doesn't help that both times I've looked at it I've been half asleep). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:46, 4 November 2014 (EST)
:::Also, if you've played through single, confirm with me: SAC 3 and the giant stupid sniper rifle never appear? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:16, 4 November 2014 (EST)
::::Dunno, I haven't finished the campaign yet, I'll check this when I have the time; until the 6th mission I haven't found the SAC3 nor the Atlas 20mm. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:06, 4 November 2014 (EST)
::::::Finished it, and these two weapons don't appear. I didn't find either the MP11, XMG, EPM3, MAAWS, Heavy Shield, Crossbow. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:12, 6 November 2014 (EST)
::::::::I've just found out that the Atlas 20mm sniper rifle is seen in "Utopia", after getting out of the sewer, but it's unobtainable, since we cannot reach the position of the two enemy soldiers that use it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:57, 26 November 2014 (EST)
:::::::MP11 is in the simulation in "Atlas," XMG not unless you count controlling the robot, don't think the others appear either. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 18:39, 6 November 2014 (EST)
::::::::Are you sure? I searched thoroughly for the MP11 in "Atlas" and couldn't find it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:44, 11 November 2014 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, seems it's random, they're dropped in the villa where the President is during the second run through the simulation. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:10, 11 November 2014 (EST)
::::::::The MP11 turned out to be absent from the campaign in the XBox 360 and PS3 versions only. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:22, 10 December 2014 (EST)
::Alright, I'll take a look at it. And by the way what parts of the "HBRa3" ([http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:HBRa3_menu_icon_AW.png image]) make it look like a CZ-805 more than an XCR? Apart from the magazine, I might have some about about it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:26, 11 November 2014 (EST)
:::Well, primarily the normal reload animation being the same and the degree to which the charging handle sticks out (I haven't compared the empty reloads yet, but it looks like you might be able to catch the HBRa3's charging handle with an animation designed for the BREN). I suppose we could note that the weapon also looks influenced by the XCR. Also added a couple of caps of the MP11 as proof it does spawn there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:38, 11 November 2014 (EST)
::::Thanks for info. But as an additional note: the location of the XCR's charging handle is the same as the "HBRa3", whereas that of the CZ-805 is located higher. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:45, 11 November 2014 (EST)
:::::Yeah, but the XCR's is thicker and shorter, and has a cover attached to it while this one just has a big hole so that no dirt or grit accidentally fails to get into the spring. I'm just eyeballing, but I ''think'' if he operates the BREN's handle with his fingers, you could used the same animation to operate that with his palm. Like I said, I'd have to check, but I'm fairly sure that thing was the BREN model and was altered into something that mostly looks like an XCR. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:50, 11 November 2014 (EST)

The Atlas 20mm is at least pretty obviously an M82A2 knockoff. I'm tempted to move all of the fictional weapons to a subsection at the end and just cover what weapon models they appear to have built them on. I did notice that the pickup icon for the EM1 shows it has a stock that looks very much like the one on the Maverick rifles from Ghosts, but I doubt we should cover it on that basis alone. The others I think do fall under "reasonably convincing." And also the USS Ludicrous' railgun turrets are blatantly based on the one from Revenge of the Fallen with the guns simplified. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:43, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Oh, and the Atlas pistol is supposed to be a modernised C96, only they forgot the barrel extension is kind of important so it has a barrel length of something like 1.5 inches. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:11, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Is the under-barrel grenade launcher ([http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Grenade_Launcher_menu_icon_AW.png image]) based on a real one? Or completely fictional? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 19:56, 11 November 2014 (EST)

:I'm thinking it's a reworked GP30, from the look of it it's supposed to be some kind of tiny rail or Gauss gun. Also they must have asked IW how a grenade launcher works since it's got no trigger again. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:27, 12 November 2014 (EST)
:::For some reason it reminds me of the [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/06/06/iwi-gl-40s-grenade-launcher/ GL 40S]. Any further ideas? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:28, 5 December 2014 (EST)
::::Mostly makes me think of [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:C3-MiniTyphoon.jpg the mini-Typhoon from Crysis 3], actually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:58, 11 December 2014 (EST)

::Also, just as a random note, control-F5 your link. For some reason Wikia seems to be forcing direct links to images to display as thumbnails (that reason is probably "Wikia is run by fumbling incompetents") so you might want to link to the image page rather than directly to the image. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:09, 12 November 2014 (EST)
:::Alright, I've replaced the links. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:45, 12 November 2014 (EST)

I think the AMR9 SMG is worthy of mention, it's receiver definitely matches an AR15's. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 00:04, 12 November 2014 (EST)

Just found a bigger picture of the IMR, which shows that (a) it's a rebuilt X95 and (b) the tank in the stock is the propellent and is aluminium and copper oxide, which means the gun runs on liquidised flash powder, so it's actually a liquid propellant rifle with a needlessly complex way of making projectiles. It reminds me of a lot of WW2 German prototypes in that it's a fascinating solution to a problem that does not actually exist.

It's also kind of daft to use liquid propellant in an infantry rifle; the big advantage would be if you had a sniper rifle with some binary propellant with a variable combustion rate, then you'd effectively be able to hand-load every shot to fit the situation (or have your ballistic computer do it for you). Th 3D printing thing might even make sense in a future sniper rifle if you could manufacture rounds to suit the target, but it's pointless in an AR since it just means you carry less ammo for a given volume. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:34, 13 November 2014 (EST)

== Ak12 ==

Can we update the Ak74 please? A special custom version of the in-game AK12 has been confirmed by IGN. The Ak12G is part of the zero day pre-order pack. Therefore it stands to reason that a standard version of the ak12 is in game.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:45, 11 August 2014 (EDT)

The ABRa3 pick up icon looks like an arx160 with m4 stock, but some decent screenshots show that is appears more to be a cz805/scar hybrid like ultimate94ninja said earlier. Check them out yourself at [http://business.financialpost.com/2014/08/11/with-jump-jets-and-exoskeletons-call-of-duty-advanced-warfare-is-a-massive-change-of-pace-for-the-aging-franchise/?__federated=1&__lsa=2d1f-0542 Scar/cz805 hybrid] —Unsigned comment was added by [[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]])

==MDL==
I moved it here. It's a bit of a stretch, starting to skirt ''Halo'' territory here. Discuss. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:52, 18 September 2014 (EDT)

[[File:Milkor Mark 14.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Milkor Mark 14 in desert tan finish fitted with Armson OEG reflex sight - 40x46mm]]
[[File:CoDAW MGL.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "MDL" being drawn. It appears to be equipped with a G36 style carrying handle, and the cylinder looks unusual as well.]]

The only part I can see that's definitely from the MGL is the barrel, the body isn't break-open (which at least makes sense, there'd be no need to expose the cylinder if you're using Trounds) and the grip area isn't the same either. I'd say it's more a novel design with the RIS of an MGL stuck over the barrel. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 15:55, 18 September 2014 (EDT)
:[[File:CoDAW MDL menu icon.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
:Here's a full view of it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:48, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
::Yeah, I mean basically the only common component is the RIS. Finished the game last night and the cylinder is just strange, it's modelled like the cylinder is made of Dardick Trounds but they're not detachable, you just put a rocket-grenade-thing into each so it's just a ridiculously bulky cylinder. I guess they saw the Dardick-style revolver in Human Revolution and liked the look of it but didn't research what they were actually looking at. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:28, 3 November 2014 (EST)

== Spoilers ==

Should I even pretend Atlas doesn't turn out to be evil? I mean they basically gave it away in the trailers anyway, and it's kind of hard to talk about enemies without ever saying they're Atlas PMC for most of the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:00, 4 November 2014 (EST)

== Grach ==

Is it mounting a suppressor that makes it semi-auto, do you think? That'd actually make sense. I can't check myself right now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 16:58, 5 November 2014 (EST)
:Lol that's certainly not the case... In multiplayer for example, the suppressed Grach is still 2-rd burst. And in singleplayer, note that other weapons also have a special version at some point (the KF5 at the start of "Sentinel" is semi-auto instead of full-auto, and the MORS sniper rifle in "Crash" is magazine-fed/semi-automatic instead of its usual single-shot mode). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 19:08, 5 November 2014 (EST)

== Also, random question ==

What is it with "futurists" (who were consulted in the making of this, apparently) and airships? They've been predicting an airship-based near future for the last 150 years, you'd think they'd realise it isn't going to happen by now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:54, 6 November 2014 (EST)

:Because airships are cool!!!! And futuristic! Or something! But they're still cool! --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:16, 6 November 2014 (EST)

::And go up in flames the moment someone lights a match near one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:00, 14 November 2014 (EST)
:::"Were you watching some other blimp commercial just now?" --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 09:58, 14 November 2014 (EST)

==Maximum Overdrive image==
[[Image:CoDAW-Maximum-Overdrive.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
This rifle is seen on the XBox One image of the "Maximum Overdrive" achievement, though it's a non-gameplay weapon. The weapon model can also be found in the singleplayer mission "Fission" after destroying the Titan, in the room where the team enters (on the floor, next to the RW1 and the SN6), though it is unusable. Any idea about this one? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:47, 17 December 2014 (EST)
:That reminds a lot of the Kusanagi ACR10 from Syndicate, suspiciously enough
:http://torvenius.deviantart.com/art/Syndicate-Concept-Art-Kusanagi-Rifle-273757782 [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:01, 17 December 2014 (EST)
::Note that the SCAR-H is the first weapon that came into my mind when I saw this. Oh and by the way, if we look at it closer in "Fission", the weapon model is apparently mixed with the full Metal Storm MAUL model (which clips through it), probably intended to be an underbarrel shotgun for it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 04:50, 18 December 2014 (EST)

== Homefront? ==

Is it just me, or do the red dot sights, the ACOG scope model, and some of the gun sounds, namely the MPX, seem like they were taken from Homefront?-Gunner5

Talk:The Expendables 3

2014-12-26T17:46:28Z

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=Page=
{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = The Expendables 3
|picture = TheExpendables3Poster.jpg
|caption = ''Teaser poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = [[Simon West]]
|date= 2012
|language = English
|studio=Nu Image Millennium Films
|distributor=Lionsgate
|character1=Barney Ross
|actor1=[[Sylvester Stallone]]
|character2=Lee Christmas
|actor2=[[Jason Statham]]
|character3=Yin Yang
|actor3=[[Jet Li]]
|character4=Gunnar Jensen
|actor4=[[Dolph Lundgren]]
|character5=Toll Road
|actor5=[[Randy Couture]]
|character6=Hale Caesar
|actor6=[[Terry Crews]]
|character7=Trench Mauser
|actor7=[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]
|character8=Conrad Stonebanks
|actor8=[[Mel Gibson]]
|character9=Max Drummer
|actor9=[[Harrison Ford]]
|character10=Surgeon
|actor10=[[Wesley Snipes]]
|character11=Rapido
|actor11=[[Antonio Banderas]]
}}

'''''The Expendables 3''''' is the 2014 sequel to 2010's ''[[The Expendables]]'' and 2012's ''[[The Expendables 2]]''. The film was directed by Patrick Hughes and [[Sylvester Stallone]] returns as the leader of a team of mercenaries, who this time is forced to fight a co-founder of the group, an arms dealer named Conrad Stonebanks ([[Mel Gibson]]). With the third film, the franchise holds record for the largest number of action stars per movie, this time fitting the already awesome cast with [[Mel Gibson]], [[Harrison Ford]], [[Wesley Snipes]], [[Antonio Banderas]] and [[Robert Davi]].

'''The following firearms can be seen in the film ''The Expendables 3'':'''

__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Custom Kimber Gold Combat II==
Barney Ross ([[Sylvester Stallone]]) uses a pair of [[Kimber_Gold_Combat_II#Kimber_Gold_Combat_II|Kimber Gold Combat II]] pistols as his sidearms in the film, the same Kimber Gold Combat II pistols that he wielded in the [[The Expendables|first film]]. In this film, the Kimbers' grips feature small "Expendable" emblems on both guns. The same symbol is also seen in Barney's toothpick knife.
[[Image:Expendable-kimber-b.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Modified Kimber Gold Combat II used by Sylvester Stallone‎ in [[The Expendables]] - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ross (in the center) is seen in the tease trailer with two Kimbers holstered.]]

=Rifles=
==Steyr AUG==
Surgeon ([[Wesley Snipes]]) uses a [[Steyr AUG]].

=Shotguns=
==AA-12==
"Trench" Mauser ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) is seen using an [[AA-12]] shotgun fitted with a weaponlight and a drum magazine as he did for the climax of the second movie. It was taken from Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) who wields a heavier [[M134 Minigun]] in this movie, one of the weapons which is, ironically, associated with Schwarzenegger being in several of the movies he acted, especially [[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]].
[[Image:AA12FullAutoShotGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MPS Auto Assault-12 - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Trench Mauser (third from the left) holds his AA-12 in the teaser trailer.]]

=Machine Guns=
==M134 Minigun==
A [[M134 Minigun#Hand Held M134 Minigun|hand held M134 Minigun]] is seen used by Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]). Ironically, he shifted this weapon with [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] (who was seen with it in several movies before) who this time wields Crews' own weapon-of-choice from the first two films in the franchise.
[[Image:TheExpendables3Teaser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hale Caesar ([[Terry Crews]]) with [[M134 Minigun]] is the fifth from the left in an amazing teaser trailer.]]

==PK Machine Gun==
Something very similar to a [[PK Machine Gun]] was glimpsed on some of the set photos.

= Discussion =
==BTS images==
All images, including behind-the-scenes images must be from a legal source. Any that are not will be deleted. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:55, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Okay, I'm not sure on AUG and PK Machine Gun pictures, so delete them, just in case. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 12:58, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::What about the still? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:00, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:::Oops. Basically forgot about it for some time. Not sure, either... --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 13:05, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Does this facebook photo from Statham count? :P
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=300070923488488&set=a.108463682649214.17080.100827133412869&type=1
--[[User:JASPERPOON|JASPERPOON]] ([[User talk:JASPERPOON|talk]])

==Teaser Poster==
I don't remember that being the teaser poster. Wasn't this -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Expendables_3_poster.jpg <- The teaser poster? --SeanWolf 18:02, 21 December 2013 (EST)
:Both are the teaser posters. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] ([[User talk:Kloga|talk]]) 19:30, 21 December 2013 (EST)
::OK. I was only asking cause, like I said, I don't remember that seeing that one.--SeanWolf 19:49, 21 December 2013 (EST)
Hi guys, I am still quite new here so i don't really know how should I format my post...
Anyway, here are some fresh posters released yesterday: http://ck101.com/thread-2955710-1-1.html

"Trench" Mauser (Arnold Schwarzenegger) seems to really like the AA-12 and Lee Christmas (Jason Statham) should be using the P226 SCT again.

==Arsenal Shipka SMG?==
While watching the film I saw gun similar to Bulgarian [[Arsenal Shipka]] SMG. It was used in the final battle by Smilee character (Kellan Lutz), when he drove on the bike. Anyone can confirm?--[[User:Chris22lr|Chris22lr]] ([[User talk:Chris22lr|talk]]) 14:12, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

= Behind the Scenes =

[[File:Ex3-bts.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== XM25 is really a mocked up L85A1 ==

Did anyone else notice this? If not then sweet! I'm the first! I noticed that the XM25 that Mars uses looks like it has the bolt of an L85A1, like it was a mock up. Take a look.
[[File:Ex3 1003.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Look at the bolt.]]

[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|none|550px|L85A1, just for comparison.]]
What do y'all think-Gunner5

:This is really weird for a few reasons:
:#To start with, based on the fact that there is a fired cartridge stuck in the ejection port we can rule out that this is airsoft and is an actual L85A1. This is a relatively uncommon gun in civilian hands, so it strikes me as odd that they would choose to modify one of these into this thing when they could have used literally any bullpup, or even a conventional rifle in a bullpup stock like the Moritas from Starship Troopers.
:#Why does it even need to be based on a real gun? The cases that would be ejected would be way to small and look ridiculous, and it isn't like their is recoil from blanks so this would be massively exaggerated anyway. I suppose that it has the advantage of being able to have some muzzle flash, but this can be done with CG and would probably be enhanced anyway.
:#If you look at higher res versions of this image you can see that the case that is jammed in the chamber is a fired blank, but the base is facing outwards. Is this possible? I have never seen it before, only the typical "stovepipe" with the mouth of the case facing out. I can't think of a way for the empty case to wind up in this position unless it bounced off of a wall back into the chamber as it was closing or something weird like that.
:I agree that this is deffinitely an L85A1, but it is just a weird choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:51, 8 September 2014 (EDT)

==AK==
Aren't the AKs in the movie AK-47s instead of AKMs, as evidenced by the barrel? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 15:58, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
:Do you mean the lack of a slant muzzle brake? If so, this is not integral to the barrel and can be removed from an AKM, or for that matter fitted to an AK-47 so that doesn't necessarily help ID it. The only picture that really helps ID them is the first one which only shows the bottom, however from the lack of a bayonet lug on the gas block this does narrow it down somewhat, and combined with the fact that it has a sling loop on the gas block and what appears to be a milled receiver (not 100% on this though) I think that would make it either a Type III AK-47 or an Norinco Type 56 "M22". --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 22 September 2014 (EDT)
::Ah, okay, thanks man. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:41, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

==Various handguns==
Ok, so I remember a few handguns I saw in the film. Both Jason Statham and Antonio Banderas used SIG's, though I'm not sure which variants. A few of the soldiers from the final battle used what appeared to be Makarov PM's and I'm fairly certain I saw a few H&K USP's used, though it was primarily used by Stonebanks's top bodyguard --[[User:Bauer2121|Bauer2121]] ([[User talk:Bauer2121|talk]]) 17:49, 7 November 2014 (EST)

== Starting screencapping ==

I have started identifying/screencapping this film, should take a few days. I will update the page as I go. Feel free to help/comment on the talk page --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 14:31, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Do you have this on Blu-ray? If not, just be prepared that your screenshots may be replaced with HD versions in the future. Also, there are already some HD caps on the page and you should not replace these with SD images. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 14:52, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Yep it's Blu-Ray, no worries --[[User:LordOfTheLocusts|LordOfTheLocusts]] ([[User talk:LordOfTheLocusts|talk]]) 15:36, 27 November 2014 (EST)

==Additional==
[[File:Exp3 513.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:01 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:04 416-k1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[File:Ex3 still.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Barney's custom SAA is seen on his gunbelt in this production still.]]
[[File:Ex3Cast.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right, a cast photo shows [[Sylvester Stallone]] carrying his custom Kimber pistol.]]

== Stallone is suddenly left handed? ==

How come in the other movies, Stallone was a right handed shooter, then in this movie, Stallone is suddenly a lefty?-Gunner5

Talk:Olympus Has Fallen

2014-12-25T04:17:00Z

Gunner5: /* North Korean sniper's rifle. */ new section

Why would an AC-130 have guns as small as M134s? IIRC, the 25mm GAU-12 is what current AC-130s carry after being upgraded from 20mm M61s, so it should be noted that such an armament is inaccurate. Furthermore, why is an AC-130 attacking a Secret Service sniper? Somehow stolen by the NKs? The trailer ''did'' show it being shot down by an F-22.

This movie is gonna be awesome. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:20, 26 February 2013 (EST)

I think the AC-130 was meant to be 2 things, shock and awe and to eliminate the Secret Service snipers on the roof top, which would clear the entry teams going through the front door. Of course even if it was depicted with the GAU 12 guns...It would be just as overkill with the cannon if they used it. I don't know what the roof of the White House is armored with...but I doubt it could withstand anything from an AC-130. Also the movie expected us to believe that the White House's AAA defenses didn't activate the moment it detected something like an AC-130 coming at it? Honestly, the invasion of the White House in 24 was more realistic and less over the top. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:25, 26 February 2013 (EST)

Not saying an ACOG on in MP5 is impractical but...there's something odd about it, mostly that the MP5 lacks range, accuracy and punch of a rifle and they would be using it indoors for the assault on the White House...wouldn't it have been practical for all the MP5s to be equipped with zero magnifying optics like Aimpoints, Eotechs...an ACOG on an MP5 to me is just...weird. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 21:28, 26 February 2013 (EST)

:A similar setup was used by Jason Issacs in Green Zone. MP5A3 with an ACOG on top that had a magical nightvision mode that didn't require goggles. He used it for close-quarters street combat. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 00:38, 25 March 2013 (EDT)

:I feel the same way but I remember seeing some early model MP-5s with the 4x Hendsolt scope which was/is a lot bulkier than the ACOG if memory serves. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 21:39, 26 February 2013 (EST)
::True, then as the MP5 aged all the way to modern times, you rarely see it with a powered optic. Also be in mind that the Hendsolt scope was never designed for the MP5. Just because a weapon has a maximum range of X doesn't mean a powered optic will 100% guaranteed a hit at X range or would it be effective in a combat situation. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:01, 26 February 2013 (EST)
:::The British SAS used to sometimes mount Hensoldt Z-24 scopes on their MP5s, as did the British police. However I think this was partly due to the fact that red dot sights were not as far along as they are today, and also that compact carbines were not as prevelant as they are today which now fill the medium range roll that these scoped MP5s had. For example whereas the police used to have an MP5 with a 4x scope, you will now only see MP5s with an EOTech or other red dot sight, alongside G36Cs with either the ZF 3x4° carry handle or a Leupold 1-3x14mm CQ/T. These days if it is being used in a role where it would benefit from a powered optic, a compact carbine is generally the preferred choice. Particularly in the case of this film where they are going fighting in a building, the ACOG is an odd choice. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:21, 27 February 2013 (EST)
:::An ACOG on an MP5 simply means said MP5 can be employed at its ''maximum effective range'', not at the optic's ''maximum viewing range''. It can also be used as a means of reconnoitering a distant location up close, such as bad guys' positions, before moving in closer. [http://www.abload.de/img/780049wsps5.jpg This guy], for example, wouldn't have the extra weight of an Elcan on his CQBR unless he had some use for the secondary magnification level. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:16, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
::::That is a 5.56x45mm AR-15 rather than a 9x19mm MP5 though which has more range so benefits more from a magnified optic. Regardless, it is not so much just that there are ACOGs on MP5s, but the fact that they are using them for an operation which will be purely CQB inside a building where the longest range they will be shooting at is 10-20 meters. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:52, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
:::::The idea is the same, though. Effective use of the weapon at its maximum range. Any magnified optical sighting system can see far beyond the max range of its host weapon, regardless of whether that weapon is an MP5 sub gun or an M68 cannon on an Abrams tank. Plus, an ACOG with an illuminated reticle (which is most models) can be used as a rudimentary CQB optic by looking through it with both eyes open and using the reticle as your point of aim. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:03, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
Some of them do come in from the fence in the trailer and that would mean a bit of range to the building. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 10:57, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

Why would a man with a rifle try to shoot at an AC-130? It just stands out. Also the reverse shot both bothered me in the trailer and interested me. Butler did a shoulder transition around corners, pretty smart. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:06, 27 February 2013 (EST)

I think the AC-130 we see might not be an actual AC-130, it might just be something that the North Koreans piece together from a C-130 so it can conceal the miniguns on board and pretend to be a regular C-130.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] ([[User talk:Wildcards|talk]]) 12:22, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

:Plus if you notice on one of the previews, the AC-130 uses its gatling guns to engage a F-22 on its right side. AC-130s only have guns on the left hand side. --[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

I want to know what's coming out of those MP5s the terrorists are using cause they were going right through whatever the Secret Service guys were wearing. It's like the movie forgot that every agent wears a vest of some sort and 9mm won't go through them. And the ACOGs on MP5s still is weird to me. Almost as weird as ACOGs on P90s. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 01:04, 23 March 2013 (EDT)

I don't think it's supposed to be a legit AC-130. It's probably a modified C-130 by the North Koreans. That's why it had guns on the right and left side. Why the plane would have only miniguns is beyond me, but they are the North Koreans. What I want to know, is why are they so God Damn accurate? They were headshotting people left and right. Also why did it take so long for the military to respond? You would think that the U.S Military would be sending the most elite special forces to take back the White House. I was expecting Delta and DevGru on the roof in a matter of minutes. Oh well, guess I'm logical.--[[User:NJGunner|NJGunner]] ([[User talk:NJGunner|talk]]) 00:22, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:Delta and DevGru (What a dumb name) would take at least a day to show up, being based in Georgia and...I'm not sure where DevGru is. But you do have the Secret Service at the White House, Washington PD, the FBI headquarters, local SWAT, fighters out of Andrews and Langley AFBs, the Marine Barracks in DC, HMX-1, and all of Qunatico Marine Base. All of those would be able to respond faster. BTW, are the Norks trying to get control of our nukes or something? --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 14:53, 30 March 2013 (EDT)
::Delta is based out of North Carolina and DEV is based out of Virginia Beach. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 17:05, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:Virginia Beach is roughly 3 hours and 20 minutes away by car. By helicopter, maybe like an hour an a half (accounting for speed and everything). One would think that a Tier one special forces unit would be the first choice for saving POTUS. Hell, Banning was a former Ranger and he single-handedly saved the President and killed a a quarter of a million terrorists. If one Ranger could do that, 4 DevGru operators could take it in a matter of minutes. Also during the initial assault, where did the RPGs come from? It's a little off track from what I was originally talking about but this pisses me off alot. I liked the movie, but there were alot of inaccuracies.--[[User:NJGunner|NJGunner]] ([[User talk:NJGunner|talk]]) 16:43, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
::How is this comparing to White House Down?? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 22:50, 1 April 2013 (EDT)
:::Similar concept. Terrorists invade the White House to capture/kill POTUS and it's up to one man to save him. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:53, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

The AC-130 fires several showy series of flares when missiles are fired at it from the ground and air. Firing the flares is accompanied by loud thumping boom sound effects. Does firing flares really make that kind of sound? Countermeasure flares are just magnesium or something else burning really hot. Were the sound effects truthful or was the sound put in to make the scenes more showy? I've seen flares fired from a jet fighter but it was from a distance and the sound of the jet masked everything so I didn't hear if the flare firing makes a sound. [[User:Estenwall|Estenwall]] ([[User talk:Estenwall|talk]]) 09:07, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

==Unknown 1911==
Mike Banning ([[Gerard Butler]]) retrieves an unidentified 1911 pistol from President Ashur's desk inside the oval office, and wields it along with his Glock and Sig 229.--[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] ([[User talk:Mmarlon brando|talk]]) 21:57, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

== Semi auto Remington??? ==

Ok so I saw the movie today and found a few errors, which were expected because no movie is perfect, but there's one part, when the NK mock AC-130 is attacking and the snipers are shooting at it, and it really annoys me. One of the snipers has a bolt action Remington 700 and he fires two shots simultaneously with no recoil and he never pulled the bolt. Don't know why this pisses me off so much...--NJGunner

Common SFX muck-up, no different from hammer sounds for Glocks and the like. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:53, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

==Extras==
[[Image:OHF-P90.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:OHF-P229-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Agent Banning fires his P229.]]
[[Image:OHF-G17-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A Glock-wielding terrorist rushes into the White House.]]
[[Image:OHF-G17-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Banning holds a Glock.]]
[[Image:OHF-MP5-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Terrorists blast away at Banning with MP5A3s.]]
[[Image:OHF-RPG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Terrorists prepare to fire their RPG-7s.]]

==Sniper rifle with green stock?==
One of the FBI HRT snipers was using this:
[[Image:OHFGreenSniper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sniper rifle with a green stock.]]
[[Image:OHFGreenSniper2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

At first I thought it was a 700 AICS, or an AWM, but I'm not a 100% sure. Perhaps a SAKO TRG? Any suggestions? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 16:19, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Looks like an M40A3.

[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:50, 8 September 2013 (EDT)

== Long-distance shooting pistol grip? ==

During the gun battle on the North Lawn of the White House, Agent Banning dispatches a female North Korean sniper who is shooting uniformed DC police officers. He does this by crossing his arms, gripping his right bicep with his left hand, and balancing his P229 on his left bicep to steady it as he fires. I've never seen this technique used in a film before or taught in a firearms course. Is this some kind of military pistol shooting technique (Banning being ex-Ranger Battalion)? Or was it just a way of shooting that looked cool to the director (much like the now-infamous method of gangbangers turning their guns 90 degrees to aim)?

[[File:OHF 5403.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Banning uses the target stance.]]
[[File:MB-Rem700.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A similar stance taken as seen in ''[[Mythbusters]]''.]]

Most likely just the actor trying to look professional in the scene. The shot of him aiming and the shot of the sniper getting shot by him aren't in the same shot so they most likely recorded a shot of him taking aim at "something" and used that footage as the one where he took out the sniper [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:14, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

:I have seen this stance before, but only for using rifles from a standing or kneeling position. I don't think it would really help at all with a pistol, in fact I think if anything it would make you less accurate. The sights on a pistol are designed to work with your arms fully extended away from the body, if you use this stance the pistol is much closer which will mean that the front sight blade will have more room around it in the rear sight so your aim would be less precise. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:08, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

==No body armor on Secret Service agents==

Watching this movie again, I was put off when all the Secret Service agents that died getting shot were all body shots. Yeah, I get that vest couldn't stop the machine guns but the MP5s should have none nothing but annoy them. Especially the one scene where what's his face with the Uzi got finished off by shots to the chest. No vests. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 11:20, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

I noticed that too. Although, a lot of the terrorists (including the one that finished off what's his face) were using FN P90s, which were designed around the principle of being able to penetrate some of the most advanced body armors. Plus, he fired at nearly point-blank range, so I doubt the rounds would have much trouble ripping through armor that close.

No, none of the terrorists were using P90s. They were all using MP5s [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:53, 11 February 2014 (EST)

== Hydra 6 Cannons ==

Did anybody else notice that the Gatling-style guns on the Hydra 6 system seemed a little too big for M134s? Also, if they were building an experimental anti-air weapon system, is it possible that they just scaled up the barrels of the M134 and re-chambered it for 20 or 30mm? Those calibers would be far better anti-air rounds, considering they've already been used in the Vulcan Air Defense System (VADS).
:That thing looks like a GI Joe toy. Are those missiles Rapiers? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:40, 11 February 2014 (EST)
::They are similar, but they are way too small in relation to the guns and appear stubbier with shorter control fins. To be honest I think everything on that is largely made up, as the relative proportions of everything are way off. Either they are Miniguns and the missiles and rockets are absolutely tiny, or the guns are meant to be much larger than miniguns (I'm more inclined to the latter, as in general proportions the guns are closer to Vulcans, just with Minigun style barrel clamps). It kind of reminds me of a defence turret that you would find in a computer game though, it starts of with just guns, then you upgrade it with rocket pods to deal with armour, and finally missiles to shoot down aircraft. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:19, 11 February 2014 (EST)

== North Korean sniper's rifle. ==

Hey guys, I really don't think the female sniper's rifle is an HK 416.
[[Image:OHFHK416.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The North Korean sniper aims her HK416.]]
The handguard and front sight are wrong. I think it's a different AR-15 pattern rifle, but it can't be a 416.-Gunner5

U-571

2014-10-11T16:51:38Z

Gunner5:

[[Image:U-571 Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''U-571'' (2000)]]

'''''U-571''''' is a 2000 WWII military thriller starring [[Matthew McConaughey]] as a US Navy lieutenant who finds himself unexpectedly commanding a stolen German U-Boat while on a secret mission to capture a enemy coding machine known as the Enigma. Directed by [[Jonathan Mostow]] and co-written by [[David Ayer]], the film encountered controversy for its dramatic license regarding the actual events surrounding the capture of the machine. The cast included [[Harvey Keitel]], [[David Keith]], and [[Bill Paxton]].

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==M1911A1==
The [[M1911A1]] is the standard issue sidearm of the US sailors in the film and it's seen predominantly in the hands or holsters of Lieutenant Andrew Tyler ([[Matthew McConaughey]]) and Chief Petty Officer Henry Klough ([[Harvey Keitel]]). Kapitänleutnant Gunther Wassner ([[Thomas Kretschmann]]) also gets his hands on a [[M1911A1]] onboard the ''U-571''. Seaman Anthony Mazzola ([[Erik Palladino]]) also handles a [[M1911A1]] during the scuffle with him and Wassner.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|World War II issued Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:U-5711911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tyler with his freshly-reloaded M1911A1 onboard the ''U-571''.]]
[[Image:U-5711911_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tyler leads the way in the assault of ''U-571''.]]
[[Image:U-5711911_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Radioman Bill Wentz ([[Jack Noseworthy]]) with his holstered 1911A1.]]
[[Image:U-5711911_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chief Petty Officer Henry Klough ([[Harvey Keitel]]) with his holstered 1911A1 contemplates the next move along with Lieutenant Tyler and Lieutenant Hersh ([[Jake Weber]]).]]
[[Image:U-5711911_5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wassner tucks Seaman "Tank"'s ([[Dave Power]]) M1911A1 into his pants.]]
[[Image:U-5711911_6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wassner fires the gun.]]
[[Image:U-5711911_7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Klough with his M1911A1 in its holster.]]

==Thompson M1928A1 (Modified)==
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun|Thompson M1928A1]] is used by several of the sailors when commandeering the ''U-571''. Interestingly, the Thompsons featured in the film have the buttstocks removed, and have folding stocks taken from chopped [[M1A1 Carbine]] Paratrooper stocks installed. Though this is historically 'possible' there is no evidence of this being done during WWII. This would make sense as the full stock of the Thompson wouldn't be practical for combat in the confined space of a U-Boat
[[Image:MiModtommy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thompson M1928A1 Modified - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The men ready their Thompsons before their assault.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The sailors lock 'n' load.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Charles "Tank" Clemens ([[Dave Power]]) fires his Thompson at the Germans on deck. Note the unique muzzle flash produced by the gun's compensator.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Emmet ([[Jon Bon Jovi]]) fires his Thompson at some Germans, while Lieutenant Tyler fires his M1911A1.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chief Petty Officer Klough enters a room with his Thompson in hand during the assault on U-571. Note how the folding stock makes it easier for Klough to wield it in such tight spaces.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seaman Anthony Mazzola ([[Erik Palladino]]) holds his Thompson during the assault on the U-Boat.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Steward Eddie Carson ([[Terrence 'T.C.' Carson]]) holds a Thompson on Wassner.]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Tyler holds his Thompson onboard the ''U-571''.]]

==M1A1 Thompson==
During the raid on U-571, a sailor is briefly seen wielding an M1A1 Thompson modified with a folding stock and a compensator. It is identifiable by it's side mounted bolt.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:U-571Tommy_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sailor wielding his Tommy gun climbs on the U-571. Looking closely, you can see the charging handle on the side.]]

==Reising M55==
Major Coonan ([[David Keith]]) carries the [[Reising M50|Reising M55]] as his chief firearm as they board the U-571.
[[File:20665 1800 1 lg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Reising M55 (folding stock variant), fitted with 20 round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:U-571Reising.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Coonan briefs the sailors before the mission.]]
[[Image:U-571Reising_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''"And no one shoots till I shoot first."''']]
[[Image:U-571Reising_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Major Coonan holds his Reising on Kapitänleutnant Wassner dueing the assault on the ''U-571''.]]

==Walther P38==
Kapitänleutnant Gunther Wassner ([[Thomas Kretschmann]]) uses a [[Walther P38]] as his sidearm in the film. When the US sailors try to take control of the U-Boat, Wassner is seen firing his sidearm at the Yankees. A couple of other German crewmen also use the Walther P38 inside the U-571.
[[Image:P38Black.jpg|thumb|350px|none|WWII dated Walther P38 with black grips - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:U-571P38.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wassner fires his P38. The image is a bit blurry and dark due to the scene in the film, but it's there.]]
[[Image:U-571P38_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German crewman's P38 lying on the floor.]]
[[Image:U-571P38_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor fires his P38 at Lieutenant Tyler.]]
[[Image:U-571P38_4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor exchanges fire with Lieutenant Tyler, barely missing him.]]

==MP40==
Most of the German crew of the U-571 are seen armed with [[MP40]] sub-machine guns. They are most notably seen when they attempt to repel the US invaders.
[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:U-571MP40_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor opens fire on the Americans, but is quickly taken down by Major Coonan.]]
[[Image:U-571MP40_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor with an MP40 next to him.]]
[[Image:U-571MP40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor with an MP40 is taken out by the US sailors.]]

==MG34==
An [[MG34]] is mounted on the German U-571. A German sailor briefly uses it in the beginning of the film.
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 with front and rear sights folded down - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:U-571MG34.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A German sailor prepares to execute American survivors with the MG34. ''Note how the rounds in his hand are obvious crimp-nosed blanks.'']]

==Other==
The U-571 and the American S-33 has some heavy weapons that are included on this page just for the sake of completion.
===C35 88 / 45 Schiffskanone===
Seaman Rabbit ([[Will Estes]]) and Radioman Wentz ([[Jack Noseworthy]]) fire the main 88mm / 45 calibre deck gun on the U-571.
[[Image:U-571DeckGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===2 cm FlaK 38===
Seaman Rabbit is also seen manning the FlaK twice on the U-571, located on the aft of the U-Boat.
[[Image:U-571FlankGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Oerlikon 20mm===
An [[Oerlikon 20mm Cannon]] is seen mounted on the American S-33, captained by Lieutenant Commander Mike Dahlgren ([[Bill Paxton]]).
[[Image:20mm Oerlikon Cannon.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Oerlikon Cannon - 20mm]]
[[Image:U-571MGonS-33.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

===Depth Charges===
Used by the German zerstörer (destroyer) in an effort to sink the captured U-571.
[[Image:U-571DepthCharge.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:U-571DepthCharge_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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Battlefield: Bad Company 2

2014-09-24T23:00:37Z

Gunner5: /* Colt Model 715 */

{{Infobox Video Game|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Battlefield: Bad Company 2
|picture = BFBC2.jpg
|caption = ''PC Box Cover''
|developer= EA Digital Illusions CE
|series=[[Battlefield]]
|publisher= Electronic Arts
|date= 2010
|platforms= Windows iOS PlayStation 3 Xbox 360
|genre= [[:Category:War|War]] [[First-Person Shooter]] [[:Category:Battlefield|Battlefield]]
}}
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is the sequel to the original "Battlefield: Bad Company". BF:BC2 uses the newest game engine called "Frostbite Engine", and it enables players to destroy any objects in the map (almost 90%) and deform the ground with explosives. The engine also gives bullets travel time and drop over distance, though this is mostly only noticed with sniper rifles. This game released in the U.S on March 2, 2010. A pre-order package comes with instantly unlocked unlockable weapons and vehicle upgrades. Those being the Thompson M1928 Submachine Gun, Colt M1911A1 Pistol, Tracer Dart Pistol, vehicle Armor Upgrade, vehicle Secondary Weapon and vehicle Motion Detector. Some retailers also offer the AKS-74U in addition to these.

*Note: Two major flaws occur in this game: The first being that the majority of the guns available have the ejection port on the left side of the gun, even when the player character is right handed. While this would interfere with a shooter in real life, the developers decided to do this in the game. The second being that the player does not chamber a new round on most guns when both the magazine and gun are empty, and instead simply inserts a new magazine, likely for multiplayer balancing, even though it is physically impossible in real life. The previous game chambered a new round even if the gun was not empty. While not practical, this is somewhat realistic operating procedure.

'''The following guns can be seen in the video game: '''

=Battlefield: Bad Company 2=

==Handguns==

Can be used by any class once unlocked.

===Beretta M9===
The [[Beretta 92FS|Beretta M9]] is a standard semi-automatic pistol. Had a correct 15 round magazine in the Beta, but reverted to the incorrect 12-round mag for the full game. As of the current R7 patch, its damage has been increased to reflect the in-game stat difference between it and the MP-443. One way to explain the 12 round mag and higher damage than the 9mm MP-443 is that it is the .40 caliber version (only the civilian 92FS has a .40 version, but there are bigger mistakes than that). In addition the hammer is never shown cocked, even when fired, as if it were double-action only.
[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M9.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:M9BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M9, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

===MP-412 REX===
The [[MP-412 REX]] .357 Magnum revolver is the most powerful, but slowest firing and lowest capacity handgun in the game. The reload animation depicts the gun with a no automatic cartridge extractor.
[[Image:Mp-412-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-412 REX - .357]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MP412.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_MP412.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:MP-412BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-412 REX .357 Magnum, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

===Colt M1911A1===
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. With its .45 calibre round, it has the second highest damage of the pistols, beaten only by the MP412 REX using .357 Magnum rounds. Labeled "WWII M1911 .45" in-game. It is incorrectly portrayed as firing from an uncocked hammer (and it doesn't change at all, even the first round has been fired or the gun's slide has been pulled back while reloading), which is required for single-action pistols like the M1911A1. Unlike most weapons in game, it is correctly modeled with the right side ejection port. This is because its model is from ''[[Battlefield 1943]]'', which features proper right-handed weapons.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:957916_20091029_790screen001.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with M1911A1]]
[[Image:M1911BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1911A1 in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]

===MP-443 Grach===
The [[MP-443 Grach]] appears in the game and has a 17-round mag, the highest of all the pistols, as well as the second lowest damage, the M93R being the lowest. In single player, this pistol is the only one available; Marlowe acquires one from Redford at the end of the mission "Upriver", and holds onto it for the rest of the game, while NSA Agent Aguire also carries one of his own.
[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MP-443 Grach - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MP443.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:MP-443 Garach.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, with scalar weapon in the background.]]
[[Image:MP-443 Garach2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MP-443 Grach in single player, final mission]]

===Beretta 92FS Inox (mocked up as Beretta 93R)===
On the weapon info screen the [[Beretta 93R]] is actually a modified [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] (due to the slide mounted safety) with an 20-round magazine, larger trigger guard, extended barrel with compensator, and a folding foregrip. In game however, it is the same model as the M9 but with stainless finish, 3-round burst, and, though not visibly different, a 20 round magazine. In the kill feed it was formerly incorrectly called the M9-3, this was later fixed to call it "M93R Burst".

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Beretta93-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M93.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M93R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:M93BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Fake Beretta 93R, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

===Tracer Dart Gun===
The Tracer Dart Gun is a non-lethal weapon used by both Russian and American forces. The tracer darts it fires grants lock-on capabilities to allied Engineers using the RPG-7 or Carl Gustav launchers. Unlocked by default on all pre-ordered copies, but can be acquired through experience for those who did not pre-order. Unlike in the original Bad Company, the Engineer has to lock on the target by looking through the scope of the rocket launcher for a few seconds at the tracer point. After it locks on, a distance will be given. The Engineer is then free to fire in any direction, and the rocket will home in on the target. It is also capable of tracking and locking on while embedded on enemy personnel instead of vehicles.
[[Image:BC2 Tracer Dark Gun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American engineer with Tracer Dart Gun]]
[[Image:Tracer Gun.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Tracer Dart Gun in Multiplayer]]
[[Image:Tracer Dart Lock.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Lock on as seen through the scope of a Carl Gustav. It's hard to see but there are some white numbers beneath the orange square. This is the distance and notifies the player that the missile is locked.]]

===Nambu Type 14===
In level 1 (Operation Aurora) Watanabe is seen using a Nambu Type 14, like the other WWII weapons, ported from ''[[Battlefield 1943]]''.

==Submachine Guns==

===IMI Uzi===
The [[Uzi]] appears in the game and is equipped with a suppressor. It has a very high rate of fire, more akin to that of the [[Uzi#Mini Uzi|Mini-Uzi]].
[[Image:UZIwSionics.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Uzi BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Uzi as seen in multiplayer]]

===M1928 Thompson===
The [[M1928 Thompson]] appears in the game and can be set to any class' primary slot once unlocked and is instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. It is incorrectly identified as "WWII M1A1 Thompson" in-game when in-fact it is the M1928 model. The gun uses the same model from [[Battlefield 1943]]

It should be noted that when the player character reloads the weapon, he inserts the magazine incorrectly. Instead of using the channels on the mag catch for the magazine to slide into, he inserts it in a similar way to an AK-47 magazine, even though it isn't possible to insert a Thompson magazine without using the channels.

[[File:M1928A1 Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP ]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1A1T.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:957916 20091029 790screen002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|American assault trooper with the M1928A1 Thompson]]
[[Image:ThompsonBC2M.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M1928 Thompson, Battlefield Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

===PP-2000===
The older version of the [[PP-2000]] appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and is incorrectly referred as the "PP-2000 Avtomat" ("Avtomat" is the Russian term for Assault rifle or Submachine gun, but nowadays it is more used for Assault rifles or Automatic rifles). Magazine holds 40 rounds despite being modeled with the 20-round magazine. It fires at 1000 rpm, faster than any other weapon in-game except the MG3.
[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 with ATN Ultra Sight DC red dot sight - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-PP2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:PP-2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|PP-2000, Multiplayer]]

===Heckler & Koch UMP45===
The [[Heckler & Koch UMP]]45 appears in the game equipped with a suppressor and a Picatinny rail below the handguard.
[[Image:UMP 45.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch UMP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BFBC2-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:UMPBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|UMP .45, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents. You can see that the selector switch is set to full auto.]]

=== Type 100 ===
The [[Type 100 submachine gun]] is found in the first level of single-player, Operation Aurora, ported from Battlefield 1943.
[[Image:Submachine gun Type 100.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Type 100 - 8x22mm Nambu.]]
[[Image:Typ 100.JPG|thumb|none|700px|The Type 100 in single-player.]]

==Assault Rifles==
Automatic Rifles are split between Carbines for the Engineer Class, and Assault Rifles for the Assault Class. All the assault rifles are equipped with an under-slung grenade launcher, capable of firing standard grenades, or either smoke or canister flechette rounds.

===9A-91===
The [[9A-91]] is the starting carbine for Engineers. Fires the 9x39mm round, has a 20 round magazine and is equipped with a suppressor.
[[Image:9a91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|9A-91 - 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-9A91.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 9A91.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:9A91BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|9A-91, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

===Heckler & Koch XM8 Compact===
The [[Heckler & Koch XM8|H&K XM8 Compact]] equipped with a suppressor is a available weapon for the Engineer Class. Has the highest rate of fire of all the rifle-caliber carbines available to the Engineer.
[[Image:xm8ccbutt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|H&K XM8 Compact Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8C.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:XM8COMPACTBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 Compact, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]

===AKS-74U===
The [[AKS-74U]] is instantly unlocked for players who pre-ordered Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Equipped with a suppressor. Referred to as the "AKS-74U Krinkov" in-game. Oddly, in the weapons info screen it has black plastic furniture, but in-game it has wood furniture. This is because the version in Bad Company 2 is simply a reskin of the original [[Battlefield: Bad Company | Bad Company]]'s AKS-74U, in which it had the plastic furniture.
[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AKS74U.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AKS74UBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U as seen in Multiplayer for Bad Company 2, Port Valdez]]
[[Image:AKS74UBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AKS-74U in the final mission of the single player for Bad Company 2. It seems that this scene was inspired by a similar scene in the movie ''[[Shoot 'em Up]]''.]]

===FN SCAR-L CQC===
An early version of the [[FN SCAR|SCAR-L]] assault rifle is the first unlockable weapon for the Engineer in multiplayer. Equipped with a suppressor. When firing bursts of automatic fire, the weapon ejects casings at a faster rate than it fires and cycles. This is probably due to it reusing scripts from [[Battlefield: Bad Company]], in which it had a faster ROF.
[[Image:Scar l-1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|First Gen FN SCAR-L - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SCARL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:SCARLBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SCAR-L, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

===AEK-971===
Called "AEK-971 Vintovka" in the weapons screen, the [[AEK-971]] is the Assault's starting Assault rifle. Used as the main weapon of the South American militia in Single Player. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher.
[[Image:AEK-971 left side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AEK-971 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC-AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:AEK91BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]
[[Image:AEK971BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AEK-971 w/ 4x scope and GP-30, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

===Heckler & Koch XM8===
The [[Heckler & Koch XM8]] is an unlockable Assault Rifle. It is used with the XM320 Underbarrel Grenade Launcher. In Campaign mode, it replaces the M416 as the signature weapon of B-Company. Redford and Marlowe use ACOGs, while Haggard uses a Red Dot Sight, though Redford and Haggard's optics are always present in gameplay, they only sometimes appear in cutscenes, while Marlowe's is always there (except in the tanker cutscene).

[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM8 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:XM8 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8 in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with 4x scope]]
[[Image:XM8BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM8, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

===Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS===
Referred as the M416. Apparently in the Bad Company universe, the [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] weapon has been adopted by the US Army, thus the ''M416'' designation. A well-balanced and versatile rifle, the HK416 is popular in multiplayer and can be outfitted with standard assault rifle attachments, such as a red dot sight, 4x scope and underslung M203, capable of firing flechette, HE or smoke rounds.

[[File:HK 416 D.jpg|thumb|none|350px|HK416 D10RS - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-HK416.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:M416.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler & Koch HK416 + M203 in Multiplayer w/ 4x scope]]

===Colt M4A1===
The [[Colt M4A1|M4A1 Carbine]] is seen being held by the soldier on the box art, but is not in the game.

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2.jpg|thumb|250px|none]]

===AN-94===
The [[AN-94]] ingame is permanently set to the two-round burst mode, but incorrectly fires at the full-auto mode's 600 RPM instead of the burst mode's much higher fire rate. Equipped with the GP-30 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher. Used by the majority of Russian soldiers in single-player.
[[Image:an94-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nikonov AN-94 - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AN94.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AN94BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AN-94 with Red Dot sight and GP-30, Bad Company 2, Arica Harbor]]

===Colt M16A4===
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] is an unlockable assault rifle and correctly fires in 3-round bursts. Note that it's erroneously referred to as the "[[M16 rifle series#M16A2 rifle|M16A2]]" in the game. It can be fitted with an ACOG scope, red dot sight, and M203 grenade launcher as described below. The "M16" (which ''was'' a M16A2) has been replaced in ''Battlefield: Bad Company 2'' by the "M16A2". The "M16A2" differs from the original M16 that was used in the first ''Bad Company'' in multiple ways: a 30 round magazine size instead of the 50 round size, a three round burst instead of being fully automatic, multiple Weapon Attachments (as is the case with most weapons in Bad Company 2). It requires 47000 Points to unlock, and is the last unlock in the "Assault" kit

[[Image:M16A4M203.jpg|thumb|none|501px|M16A4 (5.56x45mm) with M203 40mm grenade launcher]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M16.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"M16A2" with M203 Grenade Launcher.]]
[[Image:M16BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|"M16A2" with M203 Grenade Launcher and 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor. Even though the ejection port is on the left side of the gun, the forward assist is still on the right side. Note that the front sight is missing as well.]]

===Steyr AUG A3===
Called the "STG.77 AUG" in-game, its official designation in the Austrian Army.
[[Image:Steyr_AUG_A3+40mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG A3 (5.56x45mm) with M203 40mm grenade launcher]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:AUGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 + M203 with Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]
[[Image:F200BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AUG A3 with M203 grenade launcher and 4x scope, Arica Harbor.]]

===FN F2000 Tactical===
The [[FN F2000 Tactical]] is an unlockable assault rifle, called the "F2000 Assault" in the game. Description shows it is equipped with the[[FN EGLM|FN GL-1]] 4. It fires at a comparatively high 850 rpm compared to other assault rifles, but its report makes it sound as if it fires faster.
[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 Tactical with CAA FVG5 foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-F2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Note that the info screen depicts a civilian [[FN F2000#FN FS2000 |FS2000]] with a FN GL-1 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:BC2_F2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FN F2000 Tactical with M203 Grenade Launcher]]
[[Image:F2000BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|F2000 Tactical with GL-1 and Red Dot sight, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer. The sight for the GL is on the right hand side of the gun, rather than on the left hand side or top]]

==Battle Rifles==
Can be used by any class once unlocked.

===M1 Garand===
The [[M1 Garand]] can be unlocked by registering as a Battlefield "veteran" (i.e. registering at least one other Battlefield-series game). Called "WWII M1 Garand" in-game. Oddly, the picture of it in the weapons info screen is the Type 5 rifle. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Another weapon carried over from ''1943'', and hence has correct right-hand ejection and charging handle.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M1G.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Garand Multiplayer BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]
[[Image:GarandBC2v2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Garand, Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Nelson Bay Conquest. This one is not in the shadows, giving it more detail.]]

===Heckler & Koch G3A3===
Simply called "G3" in-game, the [[Heckler & Koch G3|G3A3]] has a 20-round magazine and full-auto fire capability. Can be set to any class' primary slot. Also, despite claiming to be unlocked at Rank 26, players really unlock it at Rank 22, the first officer rank. One of the very few weapons other then sniper rifles and belt-fed machine guns to have correct right-hand modeling.
[[Image:HKG3A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-G3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:G3.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 in game multiplayer]]

===MK 14 Mod 0 EBR===
The [[M14#Mk_14_Mod_0_Enhanced_Battle_Rifle|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR]] (Enhanced Battle Rifle) is an unlockable weapon in multiplayer. It is incorrectly called "M14 Mod 0 Enhanced" in the game and has a desert-tan camo paint. Has semi-auto only firing option and can be set to any class' primary slot, has a 10 round capacity despite what it says in the description. Has a right-hand bolt, but ejects to the left. The related original [[M14]] appears in the Vietnam expansion pack.
[[Image:M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 14 Mod 0 EBR - 7.62x51 NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MK14.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:BC2_M14EBR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 EBR, 7.62 x 51 mm NATO]]
[[Image:M14EBRBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M14 EBR 7.62 x 51 mm NATO, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

=== Type 5 Garand Copy ===
The [[M1 Garand#Type 5|Type 5]] is the standard weapon for the Japanese forces in the single-player mode. Note that the Japanese only produced this weapon in 1945 and very few were made; none however, saw any service. It uses the same model as the Type 5 from Battlefield 1943, and functions in an identical fashion to the M1 Garand. Unusually, the game allows the weapon to be reloaded partway through an en-bloc clip by using the clip latch. As with the Garand in ''[[Turning Point: Fall of Liberty]]'' there is no model for an empty or partially fired clip, so regardless of how many rounds have been fired the Type 5 is always shown ejecting a completely full clip at the start of the reload animation, in contrast to the Garand's clip, which is always shown as empty.

[[Image:Type5.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Type 5 - 7.7x58mm]]
[[Image:Japanese Garand.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Type 5 Garand copy in single-player. Note the Imperial chrysanthemum symbol stamped on the receiver, behind the sight.]]

==Sniper Rifles==
Sniper rifles are exclusive to the recon class.

===Norinco QBU-88===
The [[Norinco QB rifle series#Norinco QBU-88|Norinco QBU-88]] is called the "Type 88 Sniper" in-game.
[[Image:Qbu-88-0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBU-88 - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-QBU88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 QBU-88.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:T88BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QBU-88, Single Player Bad Company 2, 3rd level]]

===SV-98===
The [[SV-98]] is called the "SV-98 Snaiperskaya" in the game. It has a green finish, with the bipod folded in.
[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98 - 7.62x54R/7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SV98.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_GOL.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SV98BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px| SV-98, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]

===VSS Vintorez===
The [[VSS Vintorez]], In-game identified as the "VSS Snaiperskaya Special" (rather redundant, as VSS stands for "Vintovka Snaiperskaya Spetsialnaya" or Special Sniper Rifle. Essentially, the game identifies it as a Special Sniper Rifle Sniper Special.) Modeled with 10-round magazine, but carries 20. Fires full auto only, while the real VSS is select-fire.
[[Image:Vss1.jpg|thumb|none|401px|VSS Vintorez - 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-VSS.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]

===M24A2 Sniper Rifle===
The A2 variant of the [[Remington Model 700#M24 Sniper Rifle|M24 sniper rifle]] is the standard bolt-action sniper rifle used by Recon class, referred to as the "M24 Sniper".
[[Image:M24.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M24A2 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M24.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M24.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:M24BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M24, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

===Barrett M95===
The [[Barrett M95]] is called the "M95 Sniper" in the game.
[[Image:barrett_m90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M95 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M95.jpg|thumb|none|700px|In fact, it is an anti-materi'''a'''l rifle]]
[[Image:Barret 95.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Barret M95, .50BMG Multiplayer Bad Company 2, Valparaiso]]

===GOL sniper rifle===
The [[GOL sniper rifle]] is called the "GOL Sniper Magnum" in the game.
[[Image:GOL Sniper Magnum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GOL-Sniper - .338 Lapua]]
[[Image:BFBC2-GOL.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:GOLBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|GOL, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]

===SVU Dragunov===
The [[SVU Dragunov]] is called the "SVU Snaiperskaya Short" in the game. Equipped with a suppressor and PSO-1 scope.
[[Image:Svu.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SVU - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SVU.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:SVUBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SVU, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]

==Machine Guns==

Available to the Medic class.

===M249 SAW Paratrooper===
The [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW Paratrooper]] is called the "M249 SAW" in the game. Has a 200 round belt. As in the previous game, it has an M249-E2 heat shield.
[[Image:M249ParaModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M249 Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M249.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:M249ParaBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M249 Para, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

===PKM===
The [[PKM]] is called the "PKM LMG" in the game. This is the starting weapon for medics in multiplayer. Has a 100 round belt.
[[Image:HungarianPKM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|PKM - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:BFBC2-PKM.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_PKM.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image:PKM.JPG|thumb|700px|none|PKM, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]

===Heckler & Koch MG36===
The [[Heckler & Koch MG36]] is called the "MG36" in the game. Has a 100 round Beta-C Mag. It's aimed using the Export version's 1.5x reflex sight, usable even without the Red Dot specialization. Using the 4x Scope spec. with this give the default optic some zoom. Before a patch that was released a few months after the game's release this weapon was basically unusable in Hardcore mode, as the sight's aiming dot was bugged (did not show up) in that mode. Apparently, it was accidentally considered a HUD item that shouldn't be displayed (Hardcore features a minimalistic HUD) in that mode.
[[Image:MG36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heckler & Koch MG36 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MG36.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:MG36 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG36 Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa]]

===Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle ===
The [[Heckler & Koch XM8#Heckler & Koch XM8 Automatic Rifle|H&K XM8 Automatic Rifle ]] is called the "XM8 LMG" in the game. Has the same magazine as the MG36. The in-game description incorrectly states it comes with a built-in scope, when in fact it will only have a scope if one is equipped by the player as an attachment.
[[Image:XM8 LMG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch XM8 LMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-XM8MG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:XM8LMGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG with 4x scope, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Laguna Presa Rush]]
[[Image:XM8MGBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px| XM8 LMG, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso Rush]]

===QJY-88===
The [[QJY-88]] is called the "Type-88 LMG" in the game. Has a 200 round belt.
[[Image:type88gpmg2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QJY 88 - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-QJY88.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Type88BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|QJY88 w/ Red Dot sight as seen in Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]

===M60===
The [[M60]] is called the "M60 LMG" in the game. Has a 100 round belt. Functions as Sweetwater's new signature gun in campaign mode, replacing his original M249.
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M60.jpg|thumb|none|700px|Note that M60 is a medium machine gun, not light machine gun (LMG)]]
[[Image:BC2_M60.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Terrence Sweetwater wielding his M60, alongside Preston Marlowe and his XM8.]]
[[Image:M60 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M60 with red dot sight in multiplayer, Bad Company 2]]

===MG3===
The modernized MG42 rebranded the [[MG3]]. Has a 150 round belt and the highest rate of fire of any of the LMGs.
[[Image:MG 3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG3 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BFBC2-MG3.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_MG3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:MG3 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer with Red Dot sight.]]
[[Image:MG3BC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|MG3, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

==Shotguns==

Can be used by any class once unlocked. Can be equipped with extended magazines or loaded with slugs once either are unlocked.

===Remington 870 MCS===
Called "870 Combat" in the game. The [[Remington 870|Remington 870 MCS]] has a four round tube as standard, eight rounds with extended mags. It is always modeled withe the longer magazine tube. First unlocked shotgun.
[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 870MCS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M870.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:REMINGTON870BC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Remington 870, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay]]

===Franchi SPAS-12===
Called the "SPAS-12 Combat" in the game. The [[Franchi SPAS-12]] has the same magazine tube sizes as the 870 MCS, and operates only in pump-action mode. Judging by its barrel length, it is the compact variant.
[[Image:Franchi12.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 Compact variant - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Spas 12 Multiplayer.JPG|thumb|none|700px|SPAS-12 Multiplayer, Port Valdez]]

===NeoStead 2000===
Called the "Neostead 2000 Combat" in the game. The [[NeoStead 2000]] has a four shot mag tube as standard, increased to eight with extended mags.
[[Image:Neostead.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Neostead Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_NS2000.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Neostead Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NEOSTEAD2000.JPG|thumb|none|700px|NeoStead Shotgun 12 Gauge, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

===Izhmash Saiga-20===
Called "Saiga 20K Semi" in the game. The [[Izhmash Saiga series shotgun#Saiga 20|Saiga-20K]] has a six shot magazine as standard, increased to twelve with extended mags.
[[Image:Saiga20k.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Saiga 20K - 20 gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-S20.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:Saiga12KBC2MP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Saiga 20K 20g, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Valparaiso]]

===USAS-12===
Called the "USAS-12 Automatic" in the game. The [[USAS-12]] has same mag capacities as the Saiga-20K.
[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|USAS-12 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BFBC2-USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|USAS 12 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BC2USAS12SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|USAS-12, final mission single player. This is what happens when you unload several 12 round 12 gauge magazines in rapid succession inside an airplane]]

===TOZ-194===
The [[TOZ-194]] is available in the PS3 and PC beta, but only usable in Single Player in the full game. Has a 8-round mag capacity, a slug version can also be found in single-player, although the slugs seem to ''explode'' on impact, making it quite useful as an accurate "power weapon".
[[Image:Toz194.jpg|thumb|none|401px|TOZ-194 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TOZ.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 2nd level]]
[[Image:TOZBC2SP.JPG|thumb|none|700px|TOZ-194, 12 Gauge Singleplayer 3rd level]]

==Launchers==

===M203 Grenade Launcher===

The [[M203 grenade launcher]] appears in the game mounted on the HK416, M16A4, and AUG A3.

[[Image:M16A4M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 40mm grenade launcher mounted on an M16A4 (5.56x45mm)]]
[[Image:BC2_M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M203 grenade launcher mounted on an M16A4 in ''Battlefield: Bad Company 2''. Note that the M16A4's ejection port & brass deflector are modeled on the wrong side of the weapon]]
===FN GL-1===
The GL-1 is mounted on the FN F2000 Tactical.

===GP-30===
The [[GP-30]] grenade launcher is mounted on the AEK-971 and the AN-94.
[[Image:Gp-30 ak-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-30 40mm grenade launcher mounted on an [[AK-74]] (5.45x39mm)]]
[[Image:BC2_AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-971 with GP-30 in game.]]

===Heckler & Koch XM320===
The [[Heckler & Koch M320|XM320]] grenade launcher is mounted on the XM8.

[[Image:XM320.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch XM320 - 40x46mm. Note lack of a front grip, added only to the production M320. The version in-game uses an earlier version of the trigger guard.]]
[[Image:BC_XM8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier aims an XM8 fitted with an XM320. Note the lack of a folding front grip.]]
[[Image:AG36BC2Reloading.JPG|thumb|none|600px|XM320 Reloading, Bad Company 2 Single Player]]

===RPG-7===
The [[RPG-7]] is the standard Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher used by Russian Engineer class. It is an unguided direct-fire weapon, but it can somehow also be used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. It is fitted with a PGO-7 scope.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2 RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:RPG7BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|RPG-7, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Arica Harbor]]

===Pansarskott m/86===
The Swedish Army version of the [[M136 AT4]], the Pansarskott m/86, appears in-game. It has a (incorrect) built in tracking system, and is thereby not compatible with the Tracer Dart Gun. The reload animation is the player throwing away the launcher and grabbing a new one from his back. This means that the Engineer can carry up to 8 AT4's on their back if the extra explosives perk is chosen.
[[Image:Pskott86.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|The Pansarskott m/86. ]]
[[Image:BFBC2-AT4.jpg|thumb|none|700px|The m/86 in ''BF:BC2''.]]
[[Image:AT4 BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 in multiplayer. Note the grip, distinguishing it from the "M136' variant.]]
[[Image:AT4 sight.JPG|thumb|none|700px|AT4 sight. The sight is a laser targeting system, with the orange square being where the rocket will impact. If the launcher is discarded before the missile impacts, the missile will still turn to follow the laser point, most likely making it hit the ground.]]

===Carl Gustav M3===
The [[Carl Gustav recoilless rifle#Carl Gustav M3|Carl Gustav M3]] is the Anti-Tank recoilless rifle used by the engineer class. Like the RPG-7, it can be used as a guided rocket launcher using Tracer Dart Gun. It is erroneously referred as the M2 model, which is distinguished from the M3 model by its lack of a carrying handle.

[[Image:CarlGustavM3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Carl Gustav M3 - 84mm]]
[[Image:BFBC2-M2CG.jpg|thumb|none|700px]]
[[Image:BC2_M2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:CarlGustavBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Carl Gustav, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer]]

==Emplaced Weapons==

===XM312===
The [[XM307 & XM312#XM312|XM312]] is mounted on Humvees, CAVs, and stationary turrets.
[[Image:XM312hmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM312 - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player. The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]
[[Image:XM312BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, First Person View. Note lack of bullets feeding into the gun]]
[[Image:XM312BC2V2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Humvee, Side View]]
[[Image:XM312Shield.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM312 mounted on a Shield, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Nelson Bay. The shield is impervious to everything except explosives. Even a .50 Cal sniper round is unable to get through the viewing port.]]

===Kord heavy machine gun===
The [[Kord heavy machine gun|Kord]] is mounted on stationary turrets and Vodniks.
[[Image:Kord 02.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Kord heavy machine gun with ammo box - 12.7x108mm]]
[[Image:BC2_KORD.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kord heavy machine gun 12.7x108mm with ammo drum]]
[[Image:KordBC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Kord Heavy machine gun, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Isla Innocents]]

===Browning M1919===
The [[Browning M1919]] only (and incorrectly) appears in the first level as a mounted machine gun used by the Japanese.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A variant of the Browning M1919 developed during World War 2, this model is designated the M37, with the ability to feed from either the left or the right of the weapon - 30-06. This example is shown without a tripod, only the pintle mount. This is the MOST likely .30 cal machine gun to be seen firing from armored vehicles.]]
[[Image:Browning 1919.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Left side]]
[[Image:Browning 1919 2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|Browning M1919 .30 Cal Right side]]

=== Browning M2 ===
The [[Browning M2]] is mounted on top of the American M1A2 tank
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:Tank BFBC2.png|thumb|none|700px]]

===FN M240C===
The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240C]] is coaxial mounted on the M1A2 Abrams MBT.
[[Image:M240C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240C vehicle coaxial-mount version - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

===PKT===
The [[PK Machine Gun|PKT]] is coaxial mounted on the T-90 MBT.
[[Image:Machine gun PKT.jpg|thumb|400px|none|PKT machine gun with 250-round ammo drum - 7.62x54mm R]]

===M134 Minigun===
The [[M134 Minigun]] is mounted on UH-60 Black Hawks.
[[Image:Minigun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Dillon Aero M134 with flash suppressor - 7.62x51mm]]

===XM307===
The [[XM307 & XM312#XM307 ACSW|XM307]] is found mounted on the CAV and a pair are mounted on the Patrol Boat. In an update on the 8th of June the standalone XM307 has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in game in Map Pack 4. In the stats section it is incorrectly named an XM306, but in the in game killfeed it says XM307 like it should.
[[Image:Xm30750cal.jpg|thumb|none|400px|XM307 ACSW - 25x59mm HEAB]]
[[Image:BC2_XM312.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM307]]
[[Image:Mounted Weapons.JPG|thumb|none|700px|XM307 and XM312 mounted on a CAV in single player. The 307 is controlled by the player (who is also the driver) while a squadmate controls the 312.]]

=== Norinco QLZ-87===
The emplaced version of the [[QLZ-87]] was originally found only in the single player game. In an update on the 8th of June, it was added to the multiplayer stats section, and was added to multiplayer proper with the Onslaught DLC, where it appeared on the Atacama Desert and Isla Inocentes maps.
[[Image:QLZ87Heavy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QLZ-87 - 35mm]]
[[Image:MGL BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px]]

===BGM-71 TOW===
Mounted on stationary turrets and some Humvees.
[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW mounted on M220 tripod 152mm]]

===AT-14 Spriggan===
The [[AT-14 Spriggan]] (Russian designation 9M133 ''Kornet'') is mounted on stationary turrets.

[[Image:AT14-Spriggan.JPG‎|thumb|none|400px|AT-14 Spriggan launcher and missile - 152mm]]

===ZU-23-2===
Mounted alone and sometimes on the BMD-3
[[Image:ZU-23.jpg|thumb|none|400px|ZU-23-2 - 23x152mm]]

===M167 VADS===
Mounted alone and on an M113 chassis. In an update on the 8th of June it has been added to the multiplayer stats section, and has been added in large numbers to the Map Pack 4 maps, Atacama Desert Rush and Port Valdez Conquest. The only sign of the M113 mounted version is in the game files and in the picture for the vehicle perks shortcut upgrade in the game store.

[[Image:M167BC2.JPG|thumb|none|700px|M167, Bad Company 2 Multiplayer, Atacama Desert Rush]]

=Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam (Expansion Pack)=
'''''Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam''''' is an expansion pack for the original game that takes place during the Vietnam War. It was released in December 2010 as a multiplayer-only DLC and requires BF: BC2 to work.

==Handguns==
===Colt M1911A1===
The [[M1911A1]] makes a return in the expansion. Performs exactly as in the original game.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the M911A1.]]

===TT-33===
The [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]] is the second available sidearm in the expansion. In incorrectly holds 12 rounds and has the same stats as the Beretta M9 in the base game.
[[Image:TT-33-Wartime.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Pre-1947 version.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-TT33-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the TT-33.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-TT33-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player's character holds a TT-33 pistol.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===PPSh-41===
The [[PPSh-41]] is available to the Engineer class. Called "PPSh" in the game. Despite being modeled with a 71-round drum magazine, the in-game weapon has a capacity of 25 rounds and also has a very slow rate of fire. This was done to balance out game statistics.
[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg|thumb|none|450px|PPSh-41 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377631photo_1292995572battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41]]
[[Image:BC2V-PPSH.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PPSh-41 in idle.]]
[[Image:Asdadsadsasdasdasda.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron sights of the submachine gun.]]

===Ingram MAC-10===
The [[MAC-10]] appears as "M10" in the game and has a unrealistic 40-round magazine capacity.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377661photo_1292995623battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MAC-10]]
[[Image:BC2V-MAC10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MAC-10 in idle.]]
[[Image:Mac10123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Aiming the MAC-10. The symbol of the peace is scratched into the back of the gun. Sights are incorrectly placed, and shot placement would be above your intended target in reality.]]

===IMI Uzi===
The [[Uzi]] makes a return in the expansion. This time it appears without a suppressor.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|450px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377651photo_1292995608battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Uzi]]
[[Image:BC2V-UZI.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holding the Uzi.]]
[[Image:Uzi123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron sights of the Uzi.]]

==Assault Rifles / Battle Rifles==
===Colt Model 715===
The [[Colt Model 715]] is issued to the Assault Kit. It can be identified by the brass defector an newer forward bolt assist. It has been modeled with a three prong flash hider and a triangular handguard. A similar configuration can be seen in the film [[Operation Dumbo Drop]]. Called M16A1 in game. Has the highest rate of fire but the slowest reload among the assault rifles. Has a 30-round capacity despite being modeled with a Vietnam-era 20-round magazine.
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Model 715 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377591photo_1292995457battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt 715]]
[[Image:BC2V-M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player holding the 715 in BC2: Vietnam.]]
[[Image:M16_reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the 715 in the game.]]
[[Image:M16_sighth.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Iron sights of the Colt 715 rifle.]]

===AK-47===
The [[AK-47]] appears in the expansion as an other usable assault rifle. It is very popular in the game due to its high damage and moderate accuracy.
[[Image:TypeIII_AK47.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Izhmash AK-47 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377601photo_1292995478battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AK-47. Note that the cloth wrapped around the receiver would cause issues with the charging-handle's reciprocation.]]
[[Image:BC2V-AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The AK-47 in idle.]]
[[Image:Reloadingvietnam.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the AK-47 in the game. Actually it is more like a hybrid, as it has a stamped receiver but lacks the slant muzzle brake.]]

===M14===
Dubbed an assault rifle in-game, the [[M14]] is fully automatic in the expansion, it has the highest damage but the slow rate of fire and a 20-round magazine. Referred to as "M14 Assault".
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M14 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377611photo_1292995507battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14]]
[[Image:BC2V-M14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M14 in the player's hands.]]
[[Image:M14123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M14 - Iron sights.]]

==Sniper Rifles==
===Norinco NDM-86===
The [[SVD Dragunov#Norinco NDM-86|Norinco NDM-86]] is used by the Recon class. Holds 10 rounds and has a stronger default scope than any other sniper rifle in the game. It is incorrectly identified as a SVD in-game when in-fact it is a Norinco NDM-86, a .308 version made in China, using straight magazines. This particular model would be anachronistic.
[[Image:Ndm86.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco NDM-86 - .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BBC2V-NDM86-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the "SVD".]]
[[Image:BBC2V-NDM86-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|First person view of an NDM-86 rifle.]]

===M40 Sniper Rifle===
The [[Remington Model 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40 Sniper Rifle]] is the most powerful non-explosive weapon in the game capable of killing anyone in one shot to the head or chest. Its only drawback is the 5-round capacity and slow (bolt-action) rate of fire. The rifle is incorrectly portrayed with a 5-round detachable box magazine instead of the internal magazine. The [[M40A5]] (introduced in 2009) is the variant that has a removable magazine.
[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M40-1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The M40's stats.]]
[[Image:BC2V-M40.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The player's character wields an M40A1 in the game.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M40-2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The player's character reloads the M40A1.]]

===M21===
The [[M21]] sniper rifle is modeled with a 20-round magazine but holds only 10 bullets. It is identical to the SVD Dragunov in stats.
[[Image:Xm21rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M21 Sniper Rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M21-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the M21 rifle.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M21-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Using the M21 sniper rifle.]]

==Shotgun==
===Remington 870===
The [[Remington 870 Shotgun]] appears as "870 Combat" an is the only usable shotgun in the expansion. It has wooden furniture and no accessory rails, and does even higher damage at close range than in the base game.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BBC2V-870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the Remington 870.]]
[[Image:BC2V-870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Remington 870 in the player's hands.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player's character wields a 870.]]

==Machine Guns==
===Stoner 63===
The [[Stoner 63]] is called the "XM22" in the game, and feeds from a 200-round belt box. Note that the belt feeds into the left side of the weapon instead of the right, and that the reload animation is entirely incorrect (it is the same as BC2's M249 SAW's, while the XM22 has no charging handle on the right side).
[[Image:StonerM63.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Stoner 63 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377681photo_1292995682battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stoner 63]]
[[Image:Asdadsasdasdasdasdas.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stoner 63 in first person.]]

===RPK===
The [[RPK]] appears with an incorrect 100-round drum mag (should hold 75 rounds) in the expansion. Has the fastest reload time among the light machine guns. Due to this being nothing more than a model replacement for the base game's PKM, spent brass is seen ejecting to the left side, right through the receiver cover instead of through the ejection port.
[[Image:Rpk_01_drum.jpg|thumb|none|501px|RPK - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377691photo_1292995705battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK]]
[[Image:Pkm123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shooting the RPK.]]
[[Image:Pkmreloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading animation of the RPK.]]

===M60===
The [[M60]] is available to the medic class, and differs only cosmetically from the version found in the base game.
[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod folded - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Draft_lens16760121module142377701photo_1292995724battlefield_bad_company_2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M60]]
[[Image:M60123.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Shooting the M60 machine gun.]]

===M60D===
Two [[M60D]] machine guns are mounted on every UH-1 "Huey" helicopter. It appears to be modeled with the lower handguard of the normal M60.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60D - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:HueyM60DMount.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M60D Machine Gun on the M23 Armament Subsystem]]

===Browning M1919===
The [[Browning M1919]] is seen mounted on American M15A jeeps & River Patrol Boats.
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M1919 on M2 tripod - .30-06]]
[[Image:Twin30Cal.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twin mount Browning M1919 similar to the ones on River Patrol Boats.]]
[[Image:PBRMainSeat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Twin Browning M1919 in-game as seen from the gunner seat on a River Patrol Boat.]]
[[Image:PBRSecondSeat.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Single Browning M1919 gunner seat on a River Patrol Boat.]]

===MG34===
The [[MG34]] is mounted on NVA T54 tanks and GAZ69 trucks.
[[Image:Mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 with front and rear sights folded down - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

===Browning M2===
The [[Browning M2]] appears to be the mounted HMG on the M48 Patton Tank.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:M2BrowningM48Patton.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning M2 mounted on M48 Patton.]]
[[Image:M48Pattonm2Browning.jpg|thumb|none|550px|An close up view of the commander's cupola and the M2 Browning on a real M48 Patton.]]
[[Image:USMBTM48.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A picture of the in-game M48 Patton where we can clearly see the mounted the M2 Browning.]]

==Launchers==
===M79===
The [[M79 grenade launcher]] is issued as a gadget to the Assault kit. It is the equivalent of the 40mm Grenade Launchers from the base game. It can be decked out in a tiger-stripe paint scheme as seen in ''[[Apocalypse Now]]''.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the M79 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:BC2V-M79.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M79 has a spiraling tiger stripe pattern on it, featured in the original ''[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]'', and an obvious homage to ''Apocalypse Now''.]]

===RPG-7===
In Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam, the [[RPG-7]] is issued to the Engineer kit. It features its standard iron sights but is otherwise similar to the RPG-7 from the base game.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BC2V-RPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Holding the RPG-7 in the game.]]

==Miscellaneous==
===M2 Flamethrower===
The [[M2 Flamethrower]] is a powerful weapon issued to all kits. It has a limited amount of fuel (300 "rounds"), but this allows a continuous spray of fire until it runs out. It doesn't have a reload animation. Any spare gas will be instantly loaded if the reload button is pressed.
[[Image:M2_Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M2 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stats of the M2 flamethrower.]]
[[Image:BBC2V-M2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player's character holds the M2.]]
[[Image:BC2V-Flamethrower.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing the M2 Flamethrower.]]
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Talk:28 Weeks Later

2014-09-03T23:39:02Z

Gunner5: /* Do Snipers Really Do That? */

Another one bites the dust. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
==SR-25==
:It can't be an SR-25. Look at the mag, it's curved. I don't remember any curved magazines for that kind of weapon. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, that's a Mk 12 SPR MOD 0 [[User:AdAstra2009]] the magazine also is not long enough in addition to the fact it's curved.

:It's a SPR definitely, the SR-25 has no forward assist, the SPR does. [[User:AdAstra2009]]

:That's no Mark 12. The barrel is too long, not contoured right, has an incorrect muzzle brake, and a railed gas block (something that no SPR or Mark 12 variant has ever had). This particular shot is too dark to make a definite ID. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==Shotgun==
I uploaded a screencap, It's probably a Mossberg 500 [[User:AdAstra2009]]
[[Image:28weekslaterM500.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
==M16A1==
:Are you sure that's not a M16A2? [[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Yeah, it's hard to tell, but it looks to me like it at least has a brass deflector, which the A1 doesn't have I can't tell if the rear sight is A2-style. If not, it's probably a Diemaco C7/Colt Model 715. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Not to be a nitpicker here but I thought the Diemaco series of weapons was/is not available to civilian armourers. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 10:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
:The earliest C7s were manufactured by Colt, not Diemaco as the Colt 715--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
==M21==
[[Image:28WL M217.png|thumb|none|500px]]

(Edit) The rifle is not an M21, but rather an M14 with a DMR setup. The M21 is characterized by an adjustable stock that Doyle's weapon lacks. -Poet

The M21 does not have an adjustable stock, only on the civilian version. The only military version that does is the marine corps' Designated Marksmen Rifle(DMR), and it's stock(McMillam M2A) is similar to the old M14a1 with a pistol grip. This is a plain M21, not a DMR and there is no other M14 version, in any branch, called the DMR. --[[User:Zurak 47|Zurak 47]] 10:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

==HK USP 45==

Hey i just want to point out here people, that on the 28 weeks later page,the guy says it may be a place holder for the MK 23 Mod 0.
That could be incorrect, i have heard of Rangers getting hold of USP 45 Tactical pistols for use as their sidearms.Obviously this guy is not in the Navy so....i doubt he would ever be issued a MK 23.
Anyway my point being, it is probably a 45 Tactical and not a Standard 45 USP. But i am just not sure......just my opinion. :)

(moved from main page)

:Mark-designated weapons aren't restricted to Navy use. That designation only means it was a US Navy development initiative. But from my limited understanding, just about ''everyone'' in the Special Operations community ''hates'' the Mark 23. SEALs typically use the SIG P226 Navy model. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==moved from main page==
[[Image:28WL M42.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:28WL M46.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:28WL M48.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:28WL SIGHTS3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maj. Scarlett Ross using the night vision scope.]]

[[Image:28WL MP5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"I told you I was gonna shoot you."]]

== Sgt. Doyle (Jeremy Renner) Rifle Sling from 28 WEEKS LATER==

Hi, would anyone know by chance at all the type of M4 sling Sgt Doyle (Jeremy Renner) may be using for his tactical rifle used during the carousel/ evac scenes? Thanks

==sniper==
in one of the photos of doyles M21 , it shows a sniper and it says it doyle but it looks nothing like him . is that just me?[[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
[[Image:28WL M212.jpg|thumb|none|500px|this dude]]

:Yeah, that is ''definitely'' not Jeremy Renner. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:07, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Red outlines and full screen shots ==

This has always bothered me. Why are the majority of the screen caps of this movie with red outlines? I don't remember the movie itself having that.
:It happens with Windows Snipping Tool. Theres an option to turn it off though. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 15:41, 9 June 2012 (CDT)

And also why are screen caps from a full screen of the movie instead of a wide screen? Was this movie released before wide screen was the standard? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:33, 9 June 2012 (CDT)

== Do Snipers Really Do That? ==

Just watched this movie today and I noticed the snipers all spend a lot of time using their rifles like binoculars. Doyle (Jeremy Renner) actually has his rifle aimed at Andy's ''head'' at one point. The most basic rule of gun safety I've ever heard is "Never aim your weapon at something you don't intend to destroy," but I've seen snipers elsewhere do this as well. Is this really something snipers do to get a better look at something? --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 22:34, 2 March 2014 (EST) Godzillafan93

:I'm not a sniper so I'm no expert, but my guess is that it's easier to look down the sniper scope than to just set the rifle down and pick up binoculars.-Gunner5

Talk:The Expendables 3

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Talk:Godzilla and Mothra: The Battle for Earth

2014-08-04T18:06:45Z

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I don't think the "submachine gun" is such at all. It looks a lot like replica SA-80 without sights or scopes.-Gunner5

Talk:Godzilla (2014)

2014-07-26T00:09:44Z

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Are people going to whine and cry about this Godzilla not being of the same tired old 1950s monster design, too? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 03:08, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
:I thought the biggest criticism of the 1998 film was that it just wasn't a very good movie. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 03:41, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
::Excluding semantic stuff (i.e., New York instead of Tokyo, American cast instead of Japanese, etc.), was the plot ''really'' that different from the original 1954 film? Mutated iguana the size of a skyscraper attacks city, residents flee in terror while military proves woefully ineffective against said mutated iguana. That's both movies in a nutshell, so what makes the 1998 movie any worse than the original? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:18, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
:::Matthew Broderick --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 12:46, 13 May 2014 (EDT)
::::You can't look past ''one'' actor? I'm not that fond of Jake Gyllenhaal or Mark Wahlberg, but I still thoroughly enjoyed ''The Day After Tomorrow'' and ''Shooter''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:13, 13 May 2014 (EDT)

:::::Guys, you do realize that talk pages are supposed to be used for discussing guns in the movie, not for expressing opinions about the film? I realize I'm not really active on the site too much, which means that I've more-or-less surrendered my admin cred, but I think you're better off keeping this discussion in the "Off Topic" section of the forum. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] ([[User talk:MT2008|talk]]) 22:26, 13 May 2014 (EDT)

As a Godzilla fan myself, here's my take on the film; the first act isn't done too well, by by the second act the movie gets a whole lot better, especially with the final monster battle. The only things worth nitpicking about this film is that a character that was overhyped in the trailers died in the middle of this film, the monsters (or MUTOs) that Godzilla fights in this film were unoriginal and recycling the "Cloverfield monster look" just like every other monster film is doing these days (except Pacific Rim), the human characters and the dialogue were a bit bland, the MUTOs took the center stage way too much while Godzilla seemed to take a backseat the whole time, and the backstory they gave for Godzilla and the MUTOs was meh, at best.

But the positives are as follows; Godzilla and the other monsters' near-invincibility towards military weaponry, seeing both him and the MUTOs fuck the shit out of major cities and places like Janjira, Waikiki, Honolulu, Las Vegas, the Golden Gate Bridge and San Fransisco was MILES better than the 'minor damage' that the 1998 "iguana-Godzilla" caused, the monster battles and the battles between the monsters and the military was very well done and shows how these monsters are almost god-like with their presence and power, and for all the scenes involving the humans, it was ok at best. Maybe they could've drawn more inspiration from the original 1954 film, but for what it was worth, it worked well for the most part. And lastly, Godzilla's appearance and characteristic traits; much, MUCH better than the previous American adaptation.

This film is definitely a 7 to 8 star film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] ([[User talk:ThatoneguyJosh|talk]]) 08:15, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Well that has always been the norm for Godzilla movies, he gets little screen-time compared to his adversary(ies) and humans. MUTOs looked nothing like the Cloverfield monster. The only thing that I was kinda wondering about was why did Honolulu have SWAT snipers on the rooftops. Wouldn't the military have sent in their own snipers? -[[User:1morey]] May 25, 2014 1:39 PM (EST)

==Grenade Machine Gun==
I watched this a couple weeks ago and I noticed the military had set up a Mark 19 (I believe it's called) 25mm grenade launcher outside their HQ. You can most notably see it when Ken Watanabe comes outside. Anyone else get eyes on it enough to identify.--[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 11:34, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

==M203==
I don't know about the rest of the movie, but the screencap given shows either an original M203 or M203A2 (the only difference between the two is the type of barrel clamp) with 12" barrel. If it was an A1, the barrel wouldn't extend as far forward as it does. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:09, 5 June 2014 (EDT)

== M16A4 and M240B. ==

I haven't seen the movie since it first came out in May, but I think I remember during the Lone Pine scene, two soldiers seen dismounting from a truck appear to have an M16A4 and an M240B. Also, when you see newsreel footage of the MUTO attacking Vegas (I think that was the city) I thought I saw soldiers shooting another M240 Bravo at it.-Gunner5

Talk:The Purge: Anarchy

2014-07-21T01:35:28Z

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==Unknown Machineguns==
Kind of look like [[M240B]]s to me. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 11:44, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

==Unknown Pistols==
First I'm not so sure on the model, but very sure it's a Kahr. Second is a USP, and the third looks to be a Beretta 92 variant.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 18:14, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

== Exclusive 4 minute clip ==

http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/358903-exclusive-the-purge-anarchy-clip/

Here is a link to see a 4 minute clip of the movie. Looks really intense. I was hoping to get some screencaps, but unfortunately, when paused the play button shows up across the screen. Just to clarify, this is not leaked footage. This is official stuff. - [[User:1morey]] July 7, 2014 1:26 PM (EST)

== Red Dot Sight on minigun ==

What would be the advantage of having a red-dot sight on a minigun? - [[User:1morey]] July 8, 2014 3:18 PM (EST)

Same advantage as having one on an M4 or M16, it makes for quicker target acquisition. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:49, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:I saw something similar on a pic of an M2 Browning once. Looked like an oversize EOTech sight.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 11:26, 9 July 2014 (EDT)
::I believe it is a B.E. Meyers DCL series sight. I believe they are used on various crew served weapons such as M240s, M2HBs and Miniguns. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:15, 20 July 2014 (EDT)

== The name Dwayne? ==

I've seen The Purge twice and just saw Anarchy today. Where did the name Dwayne come from? They never said his name in either movie and he was always credited as "The Stranger". So where did Dwayne come from?-Gunner5

I am not quite sure, early sources mentioning the character mention his name was Dwayne. I presume it as either trivia revealed by the producers, or leaked information. - [[User:1morey]] July 18th, 2014 7:41 PM (EST)

== Grenade launcher on shotgun. ==

When Diego broke into Eva's apartment, he had a grenade launcher mounted on the pump on his shotgun. Not sure what kind. It looked like a GLX-160 or an FN EGLM.-Gunner5

Which brings up a couple points. 1, can either of those be mounted on a shotgun without extreme modification? And two, I figured grenades and grenade launchers (and even flamethrowers) would have been considered Class 5 weapons (meaning they would forbidden from use during the Purge)....interesting. I assume weapons such as RPGs, bombs, and chemical/biological agents are forbidden then. The director really ought to get a book published that is like a handbook that details the Purge (from its history, to its limitations, to general info it would definitely sell. - [[User:1morey]] July 20, 2014 7:46 PM (EST)

:Haven't seen either of the purge films so can't answer the second point, as to the first though I think it would be possible in theory. I believe the Mk 13 EGLM attaches to a SCAR via a rail mount, so if you had a pump that was railed you might be able to do it (I doubt it would last long though if using actual full power rounds). The trigger section that bridges the mag well would probably end up in the wrong place, but I think it could be used without this part by instead just pushing a button at the rear of the launcher. Out of curiosity, did the shotgun look like this [[Ghost_Rider:_Spirit_of_Vengeance#Winchester_Model_1300|this one from ''Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengaence'']]? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:03, 20 July 2014 (EDT)

::Yes. It looked exactly like that one. Same gun maybe?-Gunner5

::No, wait. Diego's gun looked like it had a nickle finish. And the grenade launcher looked smaller than the one in Ghost Rider. Then again, the lighting for that scene was also kind of dark. Guess we'll just have to wait for it to come on DVD and get some screenshots for positive ID.-Gunner5

Talk:The Purge: Anarchy

2014-07-21T01:32:17Z

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2014-07-20T17:11:38Z

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Talk:Battlefield 4

2014-07-20T17:09:21Z

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== Leaks ==

http://www.overclock.net/t/1375494/neogaf-leaked-bf4-screens
Looks like M249E3 and M4(?) with MoH:WF influence.
[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 22:44, 26 March 2013 (EDT)

== 17-minute gameplay ==

The first 17 minutes of gameplay have been released now. I've added myself some guns in the page and if someone thinks some guns are wrong, feel free to change it since I'm still a novice when it comes to identify guns in games. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 10:26, 27 March 2013 (EDT)
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8HVQXkeU8U

== Shorty shotgun ==

The shorty shotgun could also be the same breacher-configured 870 MCS from ''Warfighter''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:03, 27 March 2013 (EDT)

== M249E3 Para SAW / Mk 46 Mod 0 Hybrid ==

Do you guys think that the machine gun Irish is carrying it's actually a hybrid between a M249E3 Para SAW and a Mk 46 Mod 0? I've watched the gameplay video a couple times and I can't really see it the machine gun has a STANAG well under the belt to see that is a cross between the two weapons. For the time being I just added the machine gun to the page as an Mk 46 Mod 0, although I'm not sure if you can change its fixed stock for a collapsible and still call it an Mk 46 Mod 0. Here is a picture to take a look that I took from the Battlefield 4 site. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 09:17, 29 March 2013 (EDT) 
[[File:bf4 m249.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
:It has a conventional M249 barrel and carry handle, both things lacked by the MK46. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:13, 29 March 2013 (EDT)
::The Mod 1 variant restores the carry handle and barrels are interchangeable. The only telling features that distinguish an M249 from a Mk 46 are the magazine well (which we can't determine since no images of the left side of the gun are provided) and the vehicle mounting lug, which the in-game gun noticeably lacks. This could very well be a true Mk 46, for once. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 08:13, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:Also on the picture above Pac has an M4A1, it's seen in the gamplay trailer too. --[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 03:29, 4 April 2013 (EDT)

== Vehicle Mounted HMG ==

At 6.58 in the gameplay video, when Record engages the buggy with the Serbu Super Shorty, you see the HMG mounted above it. Is it a Dushka?
I'm rubbish with the whole screen-shot thing so I won't attempt that. It has just been bothering me. Thanks. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 05:47, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

It's most likely a Kord HMG, just guessing from Russian vehicle armorments in previous games.--[[User:AK-74Fan|AK-74Fan]] ([[User talk:AK-74Fan|talk]]) 12:01, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

Ahh right thanks! I have to admit, I am absolute rubbish at ID-ing HMG's. --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] ([[User talk:Ritch|talk]]) 10:52, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

== Have they learned their lessons from Battlefield 3? ==

Looking over the BF3 discussion page, I'm driven to wonder if DICE has learned their lessons from BF3's lifetime and are going to make this game better (at least with respect to emulating real-life firearms). I'd like to think they will--this website's popularity is rising, so more people are aware of DICE's shortcomings when it comes to realistic firearms than before. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 14:24, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

This could be because I'm SP-centric (and BF3 has been shelved since ''Warfighter'' came out), but the only weapon-related "shortcoming" I felt BF3 had was the use of M240Bs and so-called "M16A3s" (which I still have yet to see convincing proof is a flat top receiver when all the ''official'' sources say it's the same thing it was when first adopted--a fixed carry handle A2 upper) by the Marines. MP probably has more I'm either unaware of or have forgotten, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:04, 30 March 2013 (EDT)

:This is a pic of an M16A3 built under license by FN, I imagine that one could just slap an A4 upper on it and you have a flattop AR: [http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/untitled5cb1.jpg M16A3] --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 11:08, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

::I've seen that one before. Changing a major component like that makes it ''not'' an M16A3 because it doesn't adhere to the military's A3 specification, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:33, 3 April 2013 (EDT)

:Gonna have to agree. DICE have been very accurate with weapon characteristics in BF3, give or take a few things. In comparison to other FPS, BF3 already stood head and shoulders above. Fire selectors and bolt releases were missing, along with certain Only Warfighter has had the hyper-realism I've always been looking for (except for AK variants, but I don't mind >.>), and I'm sure DICE will bring at least some of that back into BF4. --[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 20:45, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

== More weapons shown ==

Some new pics show the weapon loadout screens but they're watermarked to hell and back.

http://i.imgur.com/Ef1eymph.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m6NUETrh.jpg

CZ-805

Beretta M9

Scorpion EVO A3

Magpul PDR-C

QBZ-95

Type 88 LMG

QSZ-92

SV-98

QBU-88

Scout Elite

Ultimax 100 Mk5
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 06:00, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The Czechnology seems to be getting around.But oh great, 4 classes...again. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:24, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

:I don't know about you, but I think it would be hard to snipe with no arms. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 21:59, 9 June 2013 (EDT)

The Ak5c and the Saiga can be added to the page right now. They are seen in the new "Angry Sea" video. I also caught a fleeting glimpse of what looked to be the H&K XM25 launcher during the E3 live stream. [[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 17:15, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

I think the Magpul PDR-C is just a placeholder for the Scorpion EVO A3--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:50, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

== E3 footage ==

Now that EA has shown some new footage of Battlefield 4 during this year E3, some new weapon appear on the video. [[User:Santos|Santos]] ([[User talk:Santos|talk]]) 15:26, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Singleplayer 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEZhbV9s1Ag

Multiplayer 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJY7n8KaOY
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjSykcTGrNc
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZTeVnM5Sw

Saw this on the BF wiki, during the counter knife sequence, "Press F to pickup P90" can be seen.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130611030437/battlefield/images/thumb/1/1c/Knifecounter.png/640px-Knifecounter.png
[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:07, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

:Good catch there! You can see P90 (along with a QB series weapon on the right) more clearly in this screenshot: http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/1/1d/Siege_of_Shanghai_1.jpg --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 17:08, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Also saw an XM-25 in June 12 livestream http://gyazo.com/ec33d8c85bc8c3c981fde636cc1a3ffe.png [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:45, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

== Kel Tec RFB ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-cJhOCd7GY

Also the text here says QBZ-95-1 but the 5.56A-91 image is subbed in: http://imgur.com/a/oBF5P#6nlAhND
[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 14:04, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

YES! FINALLY! I've been waiting for a RFB, and in battlefield no less![[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 23:08, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

:That photo album also confirms the QSZ-92, which isn't a surprise, but it's nice to see there's at least one new pistol. I hope it's the 5.8mm, 20-round version for the sake of variety. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 03:18, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

== 40mm vs. Havoc in Baku ==

"Gee, I really wish I had a 40mm ''before'' that helicopter blew everything up. Oh, wait, I did."--[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]]) 08:35, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Wrecker was a ''little'' busy avoiding being turned into salsa by the helicopter. Probably didn't want to spend much time trying to line up a shot to the cockpit with a grenade launcher. Even if he were firing HEDP grenades like the M433 or even the new "HELLHOUND" grenade, I seriously doubt he could have stopped a Havoc with a grenade - unless he happened to hit it right in the cockpit with it. The opportunity to do just that doesn't happen until the thing comes down to the deck to finish off the car. (Pilot got cocky I guess. Well, his canopy ''can'' stop rifle rounds, guess he figured he was okay.) [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] ([[User talk:Atypicaloracle|talk]]) 06:42, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

== Alpha Code Leak ==
Here's the link: http://pastebin.com/MX9mBuzJ
I'll post what's relevant, though the it can be a bit confusing at times. The Starstreak, a British MANPADS with three mini-missiles that launch after the main missile reaches max speed, will be in. Both the M15 and M34 smoke grenades are mentioned. We already knew about the MBT LAW, right? M82A3 (yes!), FAMAS, M40A5, 870, UMP, OMFG-148 Javelin. The XM25 will have both standard airburst, and smoke airburst grenades. The M320 has the same four ammo types as BF3, with the addition of 40mm flashbangs. In the optics section, there's a "visionking", even though the model can't be known yet, I bet it's the 20x scope. There are 1x, 3x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 20x, and 40x scopes, as well as "ugl", which is likely just the M320's sights. I think the 8x is just a left over from BF3, as we know we're getting 6x and 20x options for sniper rifles, and the adjustable zoom attachment adds 14x to whichever you have, so 6x & 14x, or 14x & 20x. Since it sounds like th M82 will always have a scope and bipod, which means it's likely not customizable, I bet it will have to have a 40x scope at all times, as part of its balance. That's everything relevant to us that I could find. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:14, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

I've talked to an alpha player, said the Barrett is a stationary weapon if I'm not mistaken. Also saw the UTAS sight right before visionking.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 18:17, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

The Barrett ''should'' be a stationary weapon, not something you can run around all willy-nilly with. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 20:23, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

:Right, the UTAS, that's what I missed when writing this. From what I've read, the M82 is a pickup weapon that's on the map, like the Ceph weapons in Crysis 3. Per these stats it does 110 damage, has no damage drop over range, but roughly a five second reload. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:00, 4 July 2013 (EDT)

== Battlelog inventory screen ==

http://s22.postimg.org/unc6vxf1t/bf4.jpg

The latest Battlelog trailer showing all the apps and stuff had someone choosing their loadout. AK-12 featured prominently.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 16:55, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

Hm, I didn't know the FAMAS looked like a SCAR. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 13:27, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

:SAR-21? Cool! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:09, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

:@Pyramid, they've been using placeholder icons since the alpha.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 16:55, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

I hope to God the M16 isn't the A3 in final, also in the trailer we see an "M14A3", possible typo?[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 08:39, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

::That's definitely a typo for the M16A3. Also, it has to be in, the US needs a full-auto AR. And while some people here seem to think otherwise, there are two different rifles that got the "A3" designation, the first being a full-auto A2, the other being a full-auto A4. They have different Colt model numbers, but are both A3s as far as the military is concerned. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:37, 28 July 2013 (EDT)
:::The "M16A3" is so damn confusing. I am currently of the opinion that there are actually 3 different US military issue rifles that are all the A3. The first is the Colt made M16A2E3 which was introduced in 1992 I think. This had a standard A2 upper along with an A1 style lower (no A2 strengthening points) and was stamped A2E3. Then you have the M16A3 that was made after this that had an A2 style lower (but with burst replaced by auto and stamped as the M16A3) and an A2 upper. I think these were made from 1994 and all of these were made by FN, but not sure. Finally you have the debatable flat top upper one. Annoyingly, from Googling I can't find any pictures of this actually being used, but I am about 99% sure it exists. I believe that all of the M16A3s that were ordered post OIF are the flat top kind, and they are mainly a mix of FN and Sabre Defence made rifles. I remember seeing a picture of one of the Sabre Defence guns and it was flat top with a railed handguard, and as the order for 5000 or so M16A3s from them was in 2008, I would be amazed if the US military was buying any rifle without a sight rail then. Similarly, there have been orders from FN for the M16A3 as recently as 2010, and again I don't believe that they would still be buying carry handle uppers at this point. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:13, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::::Found some proof that a flat top M16A3 exists in [http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/pezboytate/Firearms/m16a3sabredefense.jpg this] photo. It is a Sabre Defence Gun marked as M16A3, property of US Government, S/1/F selector, railed handguard and flat top A4 style upper receiver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:37, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::Not an M16A3, it's just had parts swapped out. The A3 was an A2 with an S/1/F lower when it was adopted in the 90s and it remains this today. This was told to me by active duty US Navy SEAL just this morning. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:12, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::Do you seriously think the US government would be buying an AR-15 platform without a flat top as late as 2010 (FN and Colt were awarded contracts including M16A3s in 2007, Sabre Defence got one in 2008, and FN got another in 2010)? I think the majority that are around are still the older A3s with the carry handle, but I think the newer ones like this have a flat top. Note that it has a Shot Show tag on it, I doubt that they would be showing off a random franken-gun at their booth as opposed to their newest government contract. [http://www.guns.com/reviews/sabre-defence-m16a3/ Here] is another photo of the Sabre Defence version showing the whole gun. I don't know if the contract was fully completed before Sabre Defence went belly up, however there has been a new contract with FN since this point, so can only assume that the FN guns would be built to the same or better spec than these as opposed to taking a step backwards. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:50, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::To make things even more confusing, the picture in that link shows a flattop M16, but all the text and stats imply it has an A2 upper. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:29, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I don't know why they're still buying rifles in that configuration, but [http://seabeemagazine.navylive.dodlive.mil/2013/05/17/nmcb-5-undergoes-rifle-quals-in-okanawa/ they are]. I can swap out the upper receiver group and buttstock on an M4 to give it a 24" barrel and a PRS buttstock, would that make you think "new" M4s are being procured as DMRs instead of carbines? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:35, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
::::::::A few points. Firstly that doesn't say anything about what configuration the rifles that are currently built are in, just that there are rifles in the inventory that have the fixed carry handle. As I said before, I think the majority of rifles in circulation will have the A2 upper, it will only be the newest ones that have the A4 style ones. Secondly, if I had to guess I would say that those are not the newer guns made by FN or Sabre Defense. If you look at the finish it is gray, particularly when you compare it to the M4 which is in one of the photos which is much blacker in comparison. I believe that current FN and Sabre Defense guns (along with current Colt ones I think) have a black finish, whereas the gray was on older Colt guns. Lastly, I don't see what you are getting at with the last point about switching out the upper. Are you saying that people are doing this to M16A3s, or that the pictures of the Sabre Defense gun are a case of this? If the latter than I don't think this is the case, as firstly they are pictures provided by Sabre Defense to show off the fact they are (were) making M16A3s for the military so I doubt it would be a random cobbled together gun, particularly as it has the US Gov and M16A3 markings. Another thing to bear in mind, is that for these recent orders they were combined with orders for M16A4s. If they are making M16A4s I imagine it would be cheaper to be producing flat top A3s than carry handle ones, as the upper would be common between the two variants without having to tool up and run a whole separate production line. Again, I find it hard to believe that the Navy would pay more for something with less utility. Maybe the new ones do have a fixed carry handle, but to me it makes no logical sense why they would choose to do this, and from the evidence I can find the rifles that Sabre Defense made to the US Government spec had a flat top when they were made in 2008. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:37, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
:: SCAR-L or HK416 works fine imo, also the M4 will be all kit as a carbine so I'd rather not have the same game of Assault spam again.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:11, 28 July 2013 (EDT)

== MGL Reload ==
Someone added that you only reload three shells, but I think they were being loaded two at a time. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 22:08, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

== Character Model Images ==
I had heard a rumour that the P226 was going to be in, [http://bf4talk.com/threads/battlefield-4-characters-hd.606/ but this confirms it.] About time a we see a SIG in a game again. My gut tells me it will be the .40 version, to bridge the gap between the standard issue 9mms (plus the G17), and the M1911; it would be a perfect fit in both damage and mag size. I don't have a link, but there are a few guns built into the Alpha that people have found; the ones we didn't know about (other than the P226, which is the railed version) are the Mx4 Storm and CS/LR4. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:12, 29 July 2013 (EDT)

It could also be a simple holster stuffer, too. This is hardly proof that the gun will be usable. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 15:00, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

::The P226 was found in the files along with the Mx4 and CS/LR4, as dog tags. [http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield_4/comments/1h593e/heres_an_accurate_list_of_all_weaponsgadgets I found the sources.] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:27, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

:::[http://i.imgur.com/DFMOy4p.jpg Here's] a leaked screenshot of the M82 from the Alpha. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:28, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

I don't think that character holding the LMG has enough American flags on his uniform. Jesus. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 06:15, 2 August 2013 (EDT)

== QBZ-95(-1?) and RPG-7 confirmed ==
Video from the Wintergore's channel (also shows the RPG-7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdSfV3e-VI

Video from the Levelcap's channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2F6B4Gtnhc

These are just a few videos that confirm the implementation of the QBZ-95 in BF4. Also Levelcap call it "QBZ-95-1", but I'm not sure that the rifle models are actually based on the newest QBZ-95 variant or they are just a modified version of the old QBB-95 models from BF3 ([[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]]) 9:36, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

:Here's a [http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654348580286883/ thread on Battlelog] that's compiled all of these clips that have been given to the community. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:11, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

== New Weapons ==
Remington 870, M40A5 (I'm assuming, I don't know exactly), the Hybrid M249 from the last Battlefield, AK-12, PKP Pecheneg, SV-98, Saiga 12k, QBZ-95 (unknown if it's the original or the QBZ-95-1) and the CS/LR4 are getting added
Proof:
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/f/fe/Battlefield_4_American_Character_Models.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/b/b2/Battlefield_4_Russian_Character_Models.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/battlefield/images/3/31/Battlefield_4_Chinese_Character_Models.jpg
---[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 08:53, 16 August 2013 (EDT)

*ok, so apparently I'm EXTREMELY tardy to the party.... My bad. --[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:46, 16 August 2013 (EDT)

:It's a QBZ-95-1 (QBZ-95G alternatively) for sure. PLA engineer also sports a QBS-09 semi automatic shotgun. However, as refreshing that is to see, I wag my finger in disappointment at the Russian medic who forgot to pack up appropriate VOG-25 grenades for his trip. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 08:21, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

::ok, so there are some new things in there, right? I didn't just waste everyone's time?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:35, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

:::I'm pretty sure QBS-09 was never seen before in any official or unofficial Battlefield 4 material. Haven't really been following it around, but any news around that are desirable. Thanks for posting these photos. There's also the rocket/missile launcher on the PLA engineers back. I'm pretty sure that's new, considering Alpha footage assigned good ol' RPG-7 to the Chinese. It could just be a Strela again or it's Chinese derivative. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

PK Pecheneg is new. US assault has a Glock (17?) in his chest again. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:09, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't know. I'm pretty sure PKP appeared in the installment beforehand, just not as a starting weapon for the class/kit in question. I think it will be interesting seeing three faction and how they play off each other, even if they'll probably end up being just reskined versions of each other in terms of vehicles and starting weapons. Can anybody ID the shotgun US soldier is carrying. I was inclined to think it's [http://www.imfdb.org/images/e/e9/Remington_870MCS.jpg Remington 870MCS] just like in previous few installments and based on the over all shape, however the other two factions lug semi automatic shotguns. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:28, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

::I'd never even heard of the QBS-09 before, so thanks for the links :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:51, 17 August 2013 (EDT)

Same about the QBS, neat. I'm positive thats an 870MCS as in the previous installments, perhaps its a place holder though. Interesting if they have it both with the Serbu 870.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:02, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure QBS-09 wasn't seen anywhere outside of the few official press releases. This is definitely the first appearance in entertainment media. Not even sure if it was adopted besides for a few selected units and possibly pushed for police service. It's refreshing to see a rarity like this crop up. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 07:45, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

::oh... So, I didn't waste everyone's time?--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:08, 18 August 2013 (EDT)

==Paracel Storm Trailer==
HOLY CRAP. aside from the new guns (ACE 21, etc.) Did anyone else see the boat hit the shore and land in that building? So awesome...--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 12:45, 20 August 2013 (EDT)
:That was an awesome trailer, I didn't see any guns you missed. Here's the P226 in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEIWYgA2lbQ Premium trailer], at 0:51, and the UTS-15 in the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guxDcKmhDLA Levolution trailer], at 0:42. Here's a [http://blogscdn.battlefield.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Battlefield-4-Paracel-Storm-4-WM.jpg.jpg screenshot] revealing there's an M200. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:20, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Think there was a modern AK12 derived Saiga in the base trailer, when the camera follows the soldier walking up a catwalk and gunning down his foe.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 00:54, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

It looked like an AK-12 firing shotgun rounds, which was weird, so that makes sense to me. The "MSMC" looks to actually be a CBJ-MS. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:04, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

== Every weapon in Battlefield 4 ==

So somebody at Gamespot managed to get a recording of the class customisation menu. They went through every weapon subset and a few of the attachment menus. Pretty much reveals everything except vehicle weaponry. I'm not sure if this can be added to the page (does it count as a leak?), but it's still interesting and it couldn't hurt to have it here anyway. Some of the guns have made up names (or are too obscure to be found in a quick google search) but there are four Ak-12 variants, the SAR-21 and a good amount of chinese weapons. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 13:21, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

[http://uk.gamespot.com/events/gamescom-2013/battlefield-4-every-class-every-weapon-every-unlock-6413393/ Video is here]

:To be honest, I'm disappointed with the selection. Most of the weapons are same (and look like re-used models as well) as in Battlefield 3, with very few additions. Then, again, they covered quite a lot of firearms there, so some were bound to re-appear. Hope the time and resources were put into making more maps and tools that are fun to play around with. There's also no designated launcher for the Chinese faction, so I assume Russians and Chinese will both share RPG-7V2. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 14:14, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

No MP7 but two UMP's and the SPAS 12 makes me a bit dissapoint, although they'll likely add more weapons. Also, didn't the Chinese engineer have his own launcher in the hi def faction screens. Also, the AK12 Saiga is the OBV 12, interesting.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:19, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Youtube link if needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLzYLTPN6Mw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 18:34, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

:::There's no way that's the final build, there's too much missing, like no Chinese launchers or G17 even though we saw them, no M1911 would just be silly, I could go on. I bet this is most of the weapons, say 2/3 or 3/4, but not all of them. Note that there is other stuff missing from the build too, like the F-22 (US is using the PAK-FA). The "SRR-61" is the M200 Intervention, as the that's in the build but not on the list, and the "SRR-61" says it has 7 rounds of .408. The "338-Recon" could be a lot of things. The "Compact 45" is likely an HK45C, BF doesn't use HK names after all, and they couldn't name it "M45C", as the M1911 variant in BF3 (and likely this one) is the M45. While the "Compact 45" is listed as having 15 round, that would be ridiculous, and is likely an oversight in the stats. The Galil ACEs are listed as 30 rounds, but do in fact have 35, as seen in the trailer, so some are wrong. Also, the HK45C takes 8 round magazines, which means they could have the M1911 along side it with no balance issues. I believe the rest of the guns are named properly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:11, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
::::The SVD-12 is likely an AK-12 DMR variant, rather than an actual SVD variant. If we're getting whole families of rifles like this (5 AK-12s, 4 Galils, the Q series) I hope we get the rest of the G36-series lineup in DLC. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:43, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::Not sure if [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QOPsp9pRnc8#t=196 this clip in this video] is from a longer one, but it shows that when you put a Heavy Barrel on a P90 it becomes a full auto PS90. HK45, not the C, as the "Compact 45" [http://i.imgur.com/PfN53FI.png confirmed]. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:07, 23 August 2013 (EDT)

== Some more weapon images ==

http://i.imgur.com/eqfdwoZ.jpg

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 03:03, 22 August 2013 (EDT)

== Article needs updating ==

People need to start looking for GamesCom multiplayer footage of the various new confirmed guns and put screencaps of them on this page. Come on, people, this article needs to be updated! [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 10:29, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:You do know that you can do it yourself, instead of asking someone ELSE to do it. Maybe you should have a look at the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#No_page_vandalism|rules]] again... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 10:52, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
::That's the thing: no, I can't. I don't know how to do. Also, how have I committed vandalism, exactly? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 13:00, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:::If you want something screencapped but don't know how to do it, the correct thing to do would be to ask for advice on how to do it, rather than badger other people to do it for you. I suggest you read the [[IMFDB Screencapping Guide]]. Assuming the video you are talking about is on youtube, you can even do it as simply as just pausing it, print screening and cropping in paint. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:19, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
::::The screencapping guide contains a link to Fast Stone Image Viewer, which is free and far superior to MS Paint. The guide also details how to take screen captures with Fast Stone Image Viewer. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 13:25, 28 August 2013 (EDT)
:::::How do I put the images on the site once I've captured them? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 13:39, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::Go to the panel on the left and look under "Toolbox" and click on "Upload file." Browse to the file you want to upload (or drag and drop onto that box,) then tag the image in the summary box below (for example, <nowiki>[[Category: Screenshot]]</nowiki> for screenshots,) and then click on upload. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:16, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::How do I delete an uploaded file that's named wrong? Or just change the name of it? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 09:55, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
::You can either use the move tool or you can tag it for deletion with <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki> and reupload. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:49, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:::How do I do that? Where do I find the move tool and how do I tag it with <nowiki>{{nuke}}</nowiki>? [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 10:51, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Actually, I just figured out how to do the latter. Still would like to know how to do the former, though! :) [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 11:28, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::If you click on an image, look at the tabs at the top of the page, and you'll see a tab for move. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 11:46, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:The article needs updating again. It's not going to stay like this forever, is it? Am I going to have to do this by myself again, or are someone else going to pitch in? Because I did pretty much all of the updating after GamesCom! [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] ([[User talk:Markunator|talk]]) 17:25, 7 November 2013 (EST)

== Another 93R ==

Not sure if this is a correct model but another incarnation of the 93R is seen here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9lXzp6MmM&feature=relmfu

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 02:17, 1 September 2013 (EDT)

== No M16A3 for BF4 multiplayer ==

The M16A3 is removed from BF4 multiplayer. the M16 model seen on recent gameplay is actually mislabeled and is now corrected as the three round burst M16A4.

You can read about this here:
http://pixelenemy.com/m16a3-removed-from-battlefield-4-multiplayer-dice-confirms/

[[User:Dangerman1973|Dangerman1973]] ([[User talk:Dangerman1973|talk]]) 02:09, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

FUCK.YES (pardon the french)[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 09:16, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

::What the heck, was the M16A3 really so annoying? Me and my friends, we have never even heard of this "controversy", and we play on multiple paltforms... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 10:14, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

:::yeah, same here, I don't recall it having really low recoil... I couldn't kill anyone with the M16A3. I just used the a4.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:09, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

From the looks of things in a few recent videos the M4A1 is out and the M4 is replacing it too, so it will be the dedicated burst/semi Carbine. [[User:5t3v0|5t3v0]] ([[User talk:5t3v0|talk]]) 14:49, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

== Fire selectors? ==

Does anyone know if BF4 will feature correct fire selectors that visibly change on the weapon model depending on current fire mode? I was hoping to see this. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:55, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

== GP-30 Confirmed ==
And a brief glimpse of the Five-seveN in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_dacA-ZEWQ this video], second halfish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:58, 24 September 2013 (EDT)

== Cocking the RPG-7's hammer? ==

Ok, guys, I got the beta, and while using the RPG, I've noticed that after loading the rocket, you cock the hammer on the grip (a detail that I've not seen any game include so far). Just something I thought was interesting. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 01:05, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

:I thought that was the safety lever.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 21:37, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

::Nope, it was the hammer. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 12:20, 5 October 2013 (EDT)

== Bullpups less accurate than other assault rifles ==

I have noticed that the stats for the bullpups in-game have an accuracy of 45 while other assault rifles have 50. Which brings me to a question, what is the logic behind that? Because in reality, bullpups are supposed to be shorter in overall length while retaining standard barrels to retain the accuracy.

The SAR 21 and AUG A3 has a barrel length of 508mm, the FAMAS 488mm, and the QBZ 95 463mm.
However, the HK416 has a barrel length of 409mm, or 505mm at best, the SCAR H, 400mm barrel, the AEK 971 420mm and the AK12 415mm.

As a matter of fact, all the bullpup rifles has longer barrels than it's counterpart (with the exception of M16A4).
How in the world can DICE allow the bullpups to have lower ADS accuracy than the others? It would have been the total opposite in real life.

If any, they should make reloading bullpups longer due to the magazine behind the trigger.--[[User:ZuluSix|ZuluSix]] ([[User talk:ZuluSix|talk]]) 12:16, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
:I've heard (never having fired one myself) that bullpups tend to have crappy triggers, which might affect accuracy. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:21, 1 November 2013 (EDT)
::In BF3 all bullpups had better hipfire accuracy, so this is likely a balance to that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:27, 4 November 2013 (EST)
:::But why hipfire? Hipfiring is so damn inaccurate anyway so I don't consider that a form of balance. Having fired the SAR 21 and the M16, I don't find much difference in the trigger pull, but the SAR 21 definitely has a very good CG, it rests perfectly balanced on the master hand so I don't see how that is not a plus to the accuracy. [[User:ZuluSix|ZuluSix]] ([[User talk:ZuluSix|talk]]) 03:30, 10 November 2013 (EST)

By virtue of locating the trigger further from the ammunition (and thus the firing pin) than a conventional rifle (or even one that loads in the pistol grip), the trigger pull on bullpup-configuration firearms is less "user-friendly" than on conventional firearms (because the trigger has to move a longer mechanism to activate the firing pin on a bullpup rather than a conventional rifle). If we ever switch to electronically-fired weapons or man-portable directed-energy weapons, their layout (relative to where the trigger and the ammunition is located) will become moot with regards to trigger pull because they will no longer require mechanical firing pins. By the way, I've read user complaints about how many bullpup firearms don't have adjustable buttstocks (the magazine gets in the way), which makes them less comfortable to reload and less user-friendly when used with body armour, but that's not likely going to be changed anytime soon or be reflected in the game itself.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 05:07, 10 November 2013 (EST)
:You do still get bullpups with a perfectly fine trigger pull, it is only really particularly a problem with bullpups that are modified version of standard layout weapons as these tend to have a sub-optimal trigger linkage. On these these the linkage is quite often a piece of stiff wire with bends in it so there is a lot of potential for it to flex, on better design the linkage is a straight flat steel bar that has no flex so the trigger pull is similar to that of a normal rifle (possibly slightly heavier, but without the long sloppy travel of the typical bullpup conversions). If anything bullpups should be more accurate than their comparable contemporaries as they have a longer barrel which should be more accurate and give you more muzzle velocity. For example the SA80 series is very accurate, so much so that when it was introduced the marksman tests had to be revised as it was consistently out shooting the L1A1 SLR to the point where everyone was getting top marks (part of this was due to the SUSAT, but even without it is still a very accurate weapon). If they have a worse trigger pull, it really doesn't effect accuracy much in the situations where assault rifles are used anyway. There is the possibility that bullpups will have more muzzle climb in automatic though due to the centre of gravity being further back so there is less weight keeping the muzzle down. However this balances out with the fact that by necessity bullpups need to have a straight through design with the barrel in line with the shoulder, and personally I actually liked the weight being far back as I find it keeps it seated nicely in my shoulder and is more manoeuvrable, but that is more a personal preference thing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:37, 10 November 2013 (EST)
The barrel length of a bullpup depends on the specific model being discussed. Sure, the L85A2 has a 20.4-inch barrel, a little more than an M16. The FN F2000 has a 16-inch barrel, and the Micro-Tavor (the new standard-issue weapon for the IDF) has only a 13-inch barrel, the Israelis apparently satisfied with something possessing less barrel length than the M4 carbine. And accuracy is more than just a factor of barrel length; assuming the same cartridge loading, a firearm with a longer barrel should (up to the point before barrel friction starts overpowering the force of the expanding propellant gas) impart a flatter trajectory to a bullet than a shorter one does, but there are other factors, such as the kind of cartridge (why else do they sell "match-grade ammo"?) and the kind of sights. The fact that no bullpup I've seen comes with an adjustable buttstock could be a factor for "user-friendliness" (not to mention the shorter overall length means you often can't find the room for a foregrip that really fits you), but that's not something that you can really model in a game.

It's too bad that the BF series (aside from the [[Project Reality]] mod) doesn't emulate bayonets. That would be a definite advantage conventional rifles would have over bullpups, due to their greater overall length. Project Reality even lets you smack around opposing player characters with Tavor buttstrokes, too--something I would think must be easier with longer conventional rifles. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 15:13, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== China Rising & Second Assault ==

Figured you guys might like to know, but I recently found some additional information for weapons for the DLC packs China Rising in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox3g_8WF67s as well as info on Second Assault which are below:

China Rising:
* L85
* L96
* MTAR
* RPK
* MP7

Second Assault:
* AS VAL
* F2000

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 15:04, 14 November 2013 (EST)

:The M60E4 was seen in a trailer too, so it's likely in Second Assault. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:07, 17 November 2013 (EST)

As a sort of strange aside, the orange presumably "placeholder camo" on all the China Rising weapons as of now gives the impression that the RPK is an original RPK-74 rather than an M model. Why is it, exactly, that we would require the RPK-12 and RPK-74 if they would presumably fill the same function, unless this RPK is an original model firing 7.62x39mm cartridges? --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 12:47, 19 November 2013 (EST)

There was an update for BF4 on PC, where all of the China Rising weapons are available. The RPK is the RPK-74, with the awesome wood furniture on it. So, apparently they wanted to make the RPK-12 and RPK-74 extremely similar. But I do like the new RPK, and all of the guns are fun to use. I hope they add some more guns in Second Assault, like an actual AK47 with wood furniture, and other fun things. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 19:05, 21 November 2013 (EST)

== All Battlefield 4 Weapons video ==

A guy on YouTube named "MAR89TUM" does videos showcasing all weapons in a video game, and he just completed his Battlefield 4 video a few hours ago. I thought I'd share it with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A86pF20anB8

[[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 12:30, 20 November 2013 (EDT)

:Saved for later because it's really long, but thanks for sharing :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:27, 20 November 2013 (EST)

::MAR89TUM made two more videos, one for China Rising and another for Second Assault.
::China Rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyygTCsJ9T8
::Second Assault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KCT7bslmZI
::[[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 8:43, 19 February 2014 (EST)

:::Now he has a Naval Strike video... I can't unsee that SR-2 animation fail...
:::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0twxGCNfHk
:::[[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 6:55, 20 April 2014 (EST)

::::He made a Dragon's Teeth one already.
::::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y52nHieZrAc
::::[[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 11:23, 20 July 2014 (EST)

== FN F2000 ==

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4qVx3Pvfu4

I'm assuming the F2000 Tactical is also going to be in there.

[[User:Kona|Kona]] ([[User talk:Kona|talk]]) 13:44, 20 November 2013 (EST)

:Gameplay with the scope, yay! I bet the scope is the F2000's iron sights, and if you attach any other optic it becomes the Tactical. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:25, 20 November 2013 (EST)

::I don't have Battlefield 4 yet, but from research I've done I've found that it is a F2000 Tactical, but there is a optic attachment unique to the weapon called "F2000 (x1.6)" and attaching it to the F2000 Tactical transforms it into the original F2000. Attaching any other optic or leaving it as iron sights keeps it as the Tactical. [[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 1:23, 6 December 2013 (EST)

== JS2 ==
I've figured out what's up with the JS2. Okay, first, part of the problem is that IMFDB's entry for the variant is wrong, it's "JS 9mm" (or "Jian She JS 9mm" if you want to include the company name), that's the name; "Type-05" is not a thing, that doesn't exist. Second, the description is also wrong, the JS isn't just a QCW-05 in 9mm. It's based on it, but it's smaller, along with having a flattop and built-in foregrip. It's part of the same family, but not the same gun. So the JS is its own gun, smaller and with a flattop and foregrip. With that out of the way we can talk about what the JS2 is. The JS2 is a fictional future variant of the JS (thus the name) chambered in 5.8mm that fires from a closed bolt, with the charging handle on the left side, and with the suppressor removed. Also, I just happened across a bunch of pictures and a video of Chinese police with JSs without suppressors, so I'm not sure lack of a suppressor is that notable. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 04:37, 21 November 2013 (EST)

== Burst Fire - Why do so many games get it so WRONG? ==

As I understand it, burst firing weapons (like the M16A2 or MP5A4 for instance) were first introduced to *save* ammo, rather than waste it. I just can't figure out why game designers would decide that making the gun fire a *minimum* of three rounds per trigger pull would be a better idea than allowing any number up to three?
I know that HK weapons with burst fire don't act like this in real life, or M16A2/A4s/M4s - Is there such a thing as a real world firearm that does not allow its wielder to fire less than three shots when set to burst fire? [[User:Stickie|Stickie]] ([[User talk:Stickie|talk]]) 07:02, 1 December 2013 (EST)

Far Cry 2 and 3 got it right with the 'AR16' and FAMAS respectively, and I know 007 Nightfire on the Gamecube had plenty of burst weapons capable that could be single shot if you tapped the trigger gently. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 12:34, 1 December 2013 (EST)

== Missing Second Assault weapons ==

Hello, everyone. As I'm sure most of you know, the Second Assault DLC has been out for a while now. There were 5 weapons that got added in this DLC
*DAO-12 (apologies, I've kinda forgotten what shotgun it's based on)
*Gol Magnum
*M60E3
*F2000
*AS VAL
If anyone can help me get some images for these weapons, I would really appreciate it --[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 09:47, 4 December 2013 (EST)

I think the main reason the Second Assault weapons haven't been added, this is just a thought, but it hasn't been released on PC yet. The biggest BF4 audience is on PC, and we got screwed. China Rising weapons have been available on PC for about 3 weeks, so those should be here soon. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 17:45, 4 December 2013 (EST)

:ah, alright then. I'll be patient...--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:08, 5 December 2013 (EST)

::I assume all our screenshots come from PC, mostly because of how much easier it is to do that, but also for the best resolution. If I played on PC I'd do lots of screencapping, but I can't :( [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:58, 5 December 2013 (EST)

== Reloads ==

I find it strange that some of the guns that have ambidextrous charging handles use the right side only. I first noticed this with the AK-12, where the reload animation uses the left hand to go under the gun and chamber a round from the right side. It is odd for the devs to put in the ambi charging handles, and then act as if they're not there. But they could use an animation from a previous game, who knows. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 22:27, 7 December 2013 (EST)

== Assault Rifle Stats ==

As some people have pointed out, the stats for the assault rifles seem as though they were not thought out. The bullpups have less accuracy, but theoretically have the same barrel length as a rifle chambered for the same round. For example, the SAR-21 has an accuracy rating of 45, while the HK416 has a rating of 50. And the L85A2 has an accuray rating of 35, which is less than most of the carbines. The M16A4 has less stability than most other rifles, most likely due to the 20 inch barrel, but it gains nothing in accuracy. Speaking of stability, the AK-12 is tied with the QBZ-95-1 for second best stability (rating of 70), only being beaten by the SAR-21. Why does the AK-12 have more stability that the HK416(I mainly ask because I love that rifle)? The AK-12 has a 16 inch barrel, while the HK416 utilizes the 14.5 inch barrel in this game, so I don't understand that. The ACE 23 is a super-gun in the game. It has a great rate of fire, awesome accuracy, and almost no recoil. I hate the ACE 23. [[User:DeadpoolDeadcool|DeadpoolDeadcool]] ([[User talk:DeadpoolDeadcool|talk]]) 22:41, 7 December 2013 (EST)
:Most video game designers, like most Hollywood writers don't actually know anything about firearms.--[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] ([[User talk:Crazycrankle|talk]]) 00:37, 8 December 2013 (EST)
::A few things. Those stat bars, like in almost every game, are half wrong, don't trust them. The reduced accuracy of bullpups is because it's a trade off for their better hipfire accuracy, it highlights their good performance in CQB due to their shorter length. In terms of stability, recoil is directly proportional and opposite to rate of fire, the visual appearance of the gun doesn't factor in. Since gameplay balance has to exist, it's far better to play with less obvious traits like accuracy, hipfire, recoil, muzzle velocity, reload time, and such rather than the more important things like mag capacity, rate of fire, and damage, the three most important things, as those three are what ties the gun to actually representing its real counterpart. The ACE 23 isn't godly, but it is the single most all-round gun in the game, with the natural advantages and disadvantages that come with being the most jack-of-all-trades. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:29, 8 December 2013 (EST)

==CZ-75==

The CZ in the game is not a PHANTOM, but the steel framed SP-01 Tactical. I'm not going to change it yet as we do not have a picture of the SP-01 Tac yet, and the two models are remarkably similar in looks. But I might change the entry and description here shortly. [[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 14:51, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Actually its not a Tactical. Its a CZ SP-01 Shadow. Tactical denotes it is a decocker model. The in game render clearly shows the extended shadow safety. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]] ([[User talk:Furious Oyster|talk]]) 19:57, 9 December 2013 (EST)FuriousOyster
:Beat me by literally a couple seconds. The Shadow is seen [http://www.handgunsmag.com/2010/09/24/featured_handguns_hg_cz_usa_cz_75_sp01_shadow_082710/ here] and [http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu76.htm here].--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] ([[User talk:--JazzBlackBelt--|talk]]) 20:01, 9 December 2013 (EST)

Well Gentlemen, I stand corrected. That's another reason I didn't change the entry; I know almost nothing about CZ handguns. I simply looked at CZ's current lineup, and found the Tac looks nearly identical to the one in game. [[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 15:43, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:I think CZ discontinued it because it's no longer on their website, but I'm also not a CZ guy.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] ([[User talk:--JazzBlackBelt--|talk]]) 22:29, 10 December 2013 (EST)
::Quote from the first link up there: "The Shadow is available only through CZ Custom, which is the factory custom shop for CZ products in the States." That's likely why it's not on the website. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:00, 11 December 2013 (EST)

Yep, here they are: http://czcustom.com/CZ75_SP01_SHADOW_CustomShop.aspx Though I can't find a version chambered in .40, it's a custom pistol to begin with. [[User:GLOCK10mm|GLOCK10mm]] ([[User talk:GLOCK10mm|talk]]) 14:40, 11 December 2013 (EST)

== Missing stuff ==

Hello again. I've noticed a couple things missing from the page. Namely, the RGO grenade, the Type 85 HMG, and the chain gun on the ZBD-09

That's all I needed to say.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 14:04, 12 December 2013 (EST)

== Rifle Scopes ==
The 8x "Rifle Scope" is very distinctive an has a distinctive mount, but I don't know what it is. It's marked with "Visionzone" and "1.5-5x". The 20x "Hunter", which is the same scope as BF3's 6x/8x "Rifle Scope", is marked only with "Delta Corp", and I'm not sure what it is either. The 40x "Ballistic" is actually a Schmidt & Bender/Premier Reticles M8541, which is 3-12x50. "Schmidt & Bender" (misspelled as "Schmitd"), "Premier Reticles", "M8541", and "3-12x50" can all be seen on it in-game. It's the standard scope for the USMC's M40s. Anyone else know anything about these? Also, while not at all BF4 related, does anyone know what [http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/tokyo-marui-3-9x40-pro-scope-zoom.html#.UriQ6bTN2sE this scope] made by Tokyo Marui is based on? It would be helpful for a different article (and for me) :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:31, 23 December 2013 (EST)

== UTS-15 ==

Isn't it considered strange how the UTS-15 is reloaded (one shell in the left tube, one in the right, one left, one right, etc.) rather than loading 7 shells in one tube first then 7 in the other? Or was this done on purpose considering the real weapon's functionality? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 12:54, 30 December 2013 (EST)

:I'm pretty sure they could have done it either way, but alternating looks more interesting ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 14:11, 30 December 2013 (EST)

::But alternating makes the reload slower. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:06, 30 December 2013 (EST)
:::It could be something to do with how the reload animations work, as in if it is just a cycle that can be aborted at any point this may be simpler than having to do a specific number of shells in one tube and then the same in the other. This does however lead to the bizarre situation where the guy is opening and closing the loading port covers for every shell, as opposed to just once per tube. Regardless, it is actually really difficult to reload a UTS-15 with a partial magazine (I would imagine near impossible with gloves like the player model is wearing), so any kind of speedy reload is inaccurate. The thing with the UTS-15 tubes is that they only really hold six, with the seventh being placed behind the loading door, which when closed allows the follower/shells to advance into the loading port in effect making the tube longer that it is. This means that when you open the door to top up a partial tube, you would be presented with the front half of the rear round and the back half of the second. You would first need to push the second round forward until it was latched in the tube, and then wiggle the rear round to get it out of the rear of the loading port to the point where you could then put it into the tube, and then you can load as normal. As you would need to do this for both tubes, you are looking at a total of somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds of fiddling time without even loading any new rounds. To me it would seem like the easier way would be to just open the top cover and load both tubes direct without fannying about with the loading door covers or the bizarre follower arrangement, but as I haven't handled one of these myself and can find no mention online of people doing it this way, perhaps there is a reason this wouldn't work (aside from wearing out the detent on the top cover making it pop open even more regularly than it already does). To me this gun falls into the same category of the SPAS-12, in that it looks great in games and films/TV, but it is actually a total POS in real life. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:57, 30 December 2013 (EST)

== Major Updates to LMG Section ==

Finished updating LMG section and will bring other sections to this standard in the near future. Also plan on updating customization screenshots (will take longer for this). Major changes in LMG section:

*Added intro section with in-game characteristics of LMGs
*Mk 46 changed to M249 with explanation
*RPK-74M changed to RPK with explanation
*Brief background info on all weapons
*Noted minor errors for some weapons (like +1 on the open bolt Ultimax)
*Removed all comments related to pre-release, such as "the dogtag appears in Battlelog"

The M249 has it's carry handle in gameplay, though it seems to have been missing the pre-release screen shots.[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:41, 6 January 2014 (EST)
*Fixed, thanks. I think it's just the third person model that is missing the handle.

== Benelli M3 ==

The promo image for Player appreciation month seems to have a tactical M3.
Link http://gyazo.com/b649794667495511898e614c2b1f3b75.png
[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:22, 6 February 2014 (EST)

:Yep, but that's an older promo image they just apparently wanted to use. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 04:18, 7 February 2014 (EST)

::It's an airsoft M3 (it's pretty much the most common airsoft shotgun), like the other "real" guns are, and it's been used in quite a few different places, including in-game somewhere in the Premium menu. I think it's worth noting, as we noted Recker's G17 on the cover. Also, the G18 in-game is actually a 17 with the selector pasted on to it, you can tell because sometimes you can see through between the slide and switch, and because the cocking serrations don't stop around the switch. Also, as a 17, it's the campaign pistol prop, being used every time there's a pistol except Dunn's REX in the first mission and M9s used by the US scouts that you encounter later. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:33, 7 February 2014 (EST)

== Second Assault Release Date & Naval Strike Weapons ==

Given that Second Assault will finally be coming February 18th the addition of the Second Assault Weapons will be added these include:

* F2000
* AS VAL
* M60-E4
* GOL Magnum
* DAO-12 (Armsel Striker)
* Mk.19 GMG (mounted on the returning DPV vehicle in replacement of the M2 .50 CAL)

Additionally EA and DICE have mentioned Naval Strike being released in late March. It also states an additional 5 new weapons, 2 new gadgets, an "amphibious attack hovercraft" and 4 new maps Lost Islands, Nansha Strike, Wave Breaker and Operator Mortar.
Two of the gadgets stated for Naval Strike include a new grenade launcher attachment for the Assault called the 3GL (which leads many theories on it being the Metal Storm 3GL semi-auto grenade launcher) and a anti-helicopter projectile type mine used by the Engineer Kit.

In a side note I'm also excited for the return for "Carrier Assault" which is DICE's re-imagined version of Battlefield 2142 Titan Mode. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 16:35, 13 February 2014 (EST)

== Potential Scar-H goof? ==
I don't have the image to show it and I don't know much about the AAC 51T MITER, but I don't think a comp can be attached to the MITER. I noticed that the other day when I was customizing my Scar-H in the game. Can anyone can anyone confirm?
[[User:DarksamuraiX1999|DarksamuraiX1999]] ([[User talk:DarksamuraiX1999|talk]]) 2040, 17 February 2014 (PST)

== Naval Strike ==
[http://blogscdn.battlefield.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Battlefield-4-Naval-Strike-Hovercraft_WM1.png ARX-160 confirmed] as Naval Strike's AR. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 20:09, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Dat posture. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 00:52, 1 March 2014 (EST)

:Yeah, why is the character gripping the magazine and the foregrip instead of the rear pistol grip and the foregrip? Weird. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 01:35, 1 March 2014 (EST)

Added it in. [[User:Mance1462|Mance1462]] ([[User talk:Mance1462|talk]]) 01:00, 1 March 2014 (EST)

The entirety of the NS content was added yesterday, guns, assignments, camos, etc. The ARX-160 appears as the "AR160", the PDW is the SR-2M as the "SR-2" (likely an oversight rather than intentionally different), the MG is the Shrike AAR as the "AWS", I nor any of the community on the forums could nail down the sniper rifle, which is a semi auto .338 called the "SR338" (not helpful), and finally the Rhino revolver appears as the "SW40" as the fifth weapon. Also, in the patch along with loads of balance changes and fixes, the ones relevant to this page are that the L85's rate of fire was reduced from 800 to 750 and burst mode was removed, and the QSZ-92 now correctly holds 20+1. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-8Mnq_nNw NS stuff video.] [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:00, 5 March 2014 (EST)

the SR338 appears to be this http://www.onlylongrange.com/badnews.asp --[[User:Anarchy66660|Anarchy66660]] ([[User talk:Anarchy66660|talk]]) 19:07, 5 March 2014 (EST)

:That was suggested, and it's definitely close, but it doesn't quite look right to me. Then again we're just going by the outline picture at the moment. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:34, 5 March 2014 (EST)

::I think it is supposedly an F&D Defense FD338. It is hard to confirm from just the outline, but looks like it could be a match to me. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:53, 5 March 2014 (EST)

:::That's definitely it, nice find! The "SR338" name even makes sense now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:04, 6 March 2014 (EST)

== New pics ==

So I just added a whole bunch of screenhots for guns in this section that didn't have any in-game shots, they are all in 1080p, enjoy, maybe, up to you guys/gals.
[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 05:57, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

I'm also trying to unlock all of the Naval Strike weapons so i can add them to this page, you can help by friending me on battlelog and joining me on a near empty server so we can get those assignments done. My in-game name is Bob_Juan_Santos. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 06:01, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

:Personally I wouldn't mind if all the screenshots were updated to this configuration. The load out/first person/sights in high resolution is a nice way to go. Good work on the page man! --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 13:31, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

::I agree, it's a good setup and it looks great. I would love to help with screenshots, but I'm not even on next-gen yet, let alone PC. Some good shots of trademarks would be nice, I know the FN guns all have proper trades, and the HK guns do not (KH G36C, PO45C, etc), however the MP7 actually does have real trades. Also, you usually only see the left side of guns in the class selection and in first person, a bunch of guns don't have proper trades on the left, but do on the right side, like the P226, which has the correct SIG Arms trades on the right front of the frame. A lot of the DLC maps have strange default angles in the class selection, so if you went there we could see them from the right. Another thing worth noting is that while the U-100, which is in reality open bolt, uses the closed bolt mag system with +1, the model actually is open bolt if you look on the right side, and the reload animation implies it is as well, with the firm, loud pull back, but a softer, quieter push forward, as if there's no return spring for the charging handle and the player is simply pushing only the handle forward. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:02, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

::: Yeah, love to take shot of guns on the other sides, except the game won't let you rotate that far, kinda sucks, and i'm kind too lazy to extra shots with the soldier holding it in loadout menu, which will rotate all the way to the other side. maybe when i get more sleep. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 18:52, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

::::What I was saying was that they ''are'' rotated around to the other side on most DLC maps. The view is from the right, or in some cases, the front-ish. Also, you can zoom in on the models instead of just rotating them, I'm not sure of the button on PC, but for console it's clicking the right stick. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 19:51, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

:::::You mean you have to be loaded on certain maps to do it? Huh, i've been doing them all in the training map. I'll check it out.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 20:17, 11 March 2014 (EDT)

== Almost there ==
So, I got a whole lots of pictures on the page but there are still weapons missing, since my knowledge with guns aren't that great as other people on this site, I was wondering if I could get some help. There are weapons in the game that I have no idea what their names are. They are the following:
:Chinese MG on their buggy and tank
:Chinese IFV main gun
:Chinese Attack chopper's nose cannon
:The weapon on the Chinese stationary and mobile AA
:Cannon on the Russian mobile/stationary AA
:The MG on the Russian T-90 tank, I don't think it's a KORD, but I could be wrong
:The stationary rocket launchers for all 3 factions
:Weapons on the AC-130
I just need someone to make an entry (perferably with a real life picture) about these weapons so I can add in the in-game pics later, or, if you don't have the game but can ID the weapons, i can upload the in-game pics somewhere so you can ID them base on those. Your choice. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 15:17, 16 March 2014 (EDT)

:The MG on the Chinese buggy is a QJZ-89, it actually says the name right on the gun. The rest I'm checking the BF Wiki for, it should be noted that they're very good about getting their weapons right, so these should be correct. The Coax HMG on the Type-99 MBT is also a QJZ-89, but the turret on top is fitted with a Type-85 HMG. Not sure what the Chinese IFV cannon is, nor the Helo nose gun, though the latter is listed as 23mm. The Chinese MAA has four Type-87 25mm cannons, while the Base AA has a single seven-barreled 30mm gun with a rate of fire of 5800 RPM, I don't think Wikipedia even has a name for it IIRC, Chinese weapons can be very hard to find into on. Both Russian AAs (same turret) have a pair of 2A38M 30mm cannons. I'm pretty sure both the turret and Coax HMG on the T90 are Kords, but I could be wrong. The stationary launchers are the American M220 launcher (BGM-71 TOW is the missile, not the launcher), Russian 9K123 missile system (9M133 Kornet is just the missile), and Chinese HJ-8 missile system. It should be noted that in the Chinese IFV is equipped with missiles as secondary, an HJ-8 missile is added to each side of the turret, but the missiles are just mounted on rails, no tubes. The AC-130's weapons are the GAU-12/U, L/60, and M102, one of each. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:20, 16 March 2014 (EDT)

::Thanks dude, i'll get to work later. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 16:30, 16 March 2014 (EDT)

:::Honestly, I haven't played the game yet, however judging by the description of the stationary CIWS system for the Chinese forces, could it be a Type 730, or it's more modern and (just merely) well known mobile derivative, the [http://pvo.guns.ru/images/other/china/ld2000/p3.jpg LD-2000]? --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 10:08, 17 March 2014 (EDT)

::::Oh right, it ''is'' named LD-2000 in-game and looks just like that, however because it's AI-controlled you never see the name in game, but I know it's somewhere on Battlelog. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:12, 17 March 2014 (EDT)
:::::Is it just me, or does that thing look suspiciously similar to the [[Media:Goalkeeper CIWS Type 22 Campbeltown.jpg|Goalkeeper CIWS]]? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:15, 17 March 2014 (EDT)

== To Do List ==
Ok, so as of right now the page is pretty much complete, with the exception of the Chinese attack chopper nose gun and the SR-2M. I still have to unlock the SR2-M, but once i get it the pic and entry will be added. If you guys have any request for pictures for the game, gimme a shout here. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 03:17, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

:the Chiappa Rhino, Gol Magnum, M60E4, and SR338 need to be added as well.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 07:17, 25 March 2014 (EDT)
:: oh right, those.... thanks for reminding me.... damn. Well, can't do rhino and SR338 until I unlock them, more than welcome to help me unlock those though. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 04:51, 26 March 2014 (EDT)
:::no, sorry, my disc doesn't work on my Xbox... And even if it did, I have none of the DLC on my game, so... Sorry.--[[User:TW6464|TW6464]] ([[User talk:TW6464|talk]]) 11:54, 26 March 2014 (EDT)
::OK, so the Rhino, m60, and GOL are in there, still missing are SR-2M and the FD338(SR338) because i don't have them unlocked, am i missing anything else? [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 02:08, 27 March 2014 (EDT)
::Sr-2m is in the article too now. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 04:15, 2 April 2014 (EDT)
::Sr338 has also been added.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 03:00, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

== Single Player ==

I understand that a lot of people play the multiplayer for this game. I am not a multiplayer person unless it is split-screen. But the Single-Player aspect of video games should not be ignored for this site. The campaign still has its fans. Just my two cents. - [[User:1morey]] April 6, 2014 7:20 PM (EST)

:Yes, there are still "dinosaurs" out there who appreciate good singleplayer games. But when it comes to this wiki, it's not much of a consideration. All something like that needs is a note on each entry saying "this weapon is only available in singleplayer" or "this weapon is only available in multiplayer" for each weapon of interest. Or did you have something else in mind? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 00:59, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

::That's about what I meant. Granted with a bit more detail. But yeah. - [[User:1morey]] April 7, 2014 9:17 AM (EST)

:::Some sreencaps outside of the training island would be nice, kinda like how the Rising Storm page has all the Marine weapons shown at the same place, which is no bueno.
::::what's wrong with the test range? It's the best place to show the guns in clear detail because it has bright lighting and light environment.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 23:34, 7 April 2014 (EDT)
::::also it's alot easier to load into than finding a server with a specific map.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 23:36, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

I'm one of those "dinosaurs" that Mazryonh is talking about who prefers SP, but I don't have the game (I refuse to play it because they cancelled MoH) nor any means to screencap from my PS3 even if I did. And besides, I don't play anything except RTS games on PC. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:07, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

:Don't worry, I didn't mean to use the term in a derogatory fashion. Anyone who looks over my user page and reads the list of video game pages I've created and/or significantly contributed to will see that I like single-player-centric games. Anyway, I would still move that it become "standard procedure" for video game pages to feature screenshots of firearms taken in a variety of different ingame locations/situations if at all possible. Having them all taken from one location and/or situation is very boring to look at on a wiki page here.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 00:31, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

All the guns in single player are available in multiplayer, and a good amount of the guns in multiplayer is available in the single player. is there any specific gun you want me to make an entry of? [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 23:31, 7 April 2014 (EDT)

A screenshot of each character with their main weapon would be nice, or some notable gun featuring moments in the campaign, like the REX handoff, Pac around the corner with his Glock 17 (it ''is'' a 17 in campaign), or the Marine that drags Recker inside holding an M9, stuff like that. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 00:26, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

::I think i can get some of those request done but i'm just curious, what does this have to do with which guns are present in the game? since i can just take pics of those in the test range. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 00:38, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

For the purposes of this site, all we need are guns, it doesn't really matter if in multi or single player, or which stage, unless it's something exclusive to one or another. Bob Juan, you've done a great job, and we really appreciate it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 00:55, 8 April 2014 (EDT)
::no problem. just wanna make this page as complete as possible, still got a few guns left to be put in there. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 00:58, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

== To do list part 2 ==

Just an update on what else needs to be done, here is a list of stuff that needs entries.
:Chinese IFV main cannon on the turret.
:Chinese attack chopper nose cannon.
:Guns that are attached to jets
:The main gun that is used on the US attack boat (possible a bushmaster m242) and the Rus/Chinese attack boat.
:Any future DLC weapons.
Help out with these if you can.[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 03:01, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

== Chiappa Rhino ==

The fact that there is no animation for the hammer traveling back on the Rhino in-game is not incorrect. The real Rhino has an internal hammer. The exposed hammer is actually just a lever to activate single action and it snaps back into place after it is thumbed back. The outer "hammer" does not move when firing therefore BF4 depicts the operation correctly. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 16:51, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
:You learn something new everyday! I assumed it was missing because the gun lacks the delay the other two revolvers have, and thus couldn't have one, thanks for the info!. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:54, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
::No problem, always happy to share some knowledge! --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 23:19, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
:::Oooh, didn't know that. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 14:06, 23 April 2014 (EDT)

== Refreshing the page ==

Hey, so I'm kinda bored right now and I was thinking of redoing most of the pics on this page in glorious 1080p resolution. I'll be keeping what the picture is intending to show such as reloading or pulling out the weapon, but it's all gonna be set in the test range and the weapons are gonna be the stock weapons. If anyone has suggestions/objections, please let me know. Thank guys/gals. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 01:19, 27 April 2014 (EDT)
: done [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 23:10, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

== News/Rumors about Dragon's Teeth ==

So here's an article about the upcoming expansion:
:http://mp1st.com/2014/05/09/battlefield-4-dragons-teeth-dlc-weapons/#.U21Rwa1dUmM
From the looks of it these might be featured in the next DLC:
: M-14 converted to a bullpup.
: Mateba autorevolver.
: .44 Desert eagle.
: MscMillan CS5
: SIG MPX, probably in .40 SW
: Engineer's might get remote controlled bits with guns and grenade launchers
: Support class gets a riot shield.
Personally, I'm not too crazy about the Desert eagle or the Mateba since I feel there are way too many high caliber handguns in the game already, but variety is nice I guess. Also not too crazy about bots with guns either. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 01:16, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:I've been keeping up with this on the Symthic forums, that bullpup M14 is the SRSS Bulldog and it's full auto, the SIG MPX is indeed in .40 but the variant isn't known yet, the CS5 has its own proper suppressor, the Mateba is a .357, and the Desert Eagle is a .44 in black. Recon's new gadget is the MAARS Bot, fitted with an M240 and four M203s, straight from Medal Of Honor: Warfighter. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:20, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
::I think the bot is gonna be in the engineer's arsenal, though I don't know how they are gonna balance it in terms of game play. unless they make it a battle pickup like the Barret .50 [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 03:59, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::The files seemed to say Recon, but they can be rather confusing, so I'd say it's still up in the air for now; it could very well be Engy or something placed on the maps like BC2's UAV. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:19, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZZAtMTGD4 --[[User:Mateogala|MTOOO]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 13:46, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

::::Oh God, please no Desert Eagle... And that bot sounds WAY over powered... [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 21:25, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
:::::Now confirmed: the shield is a Support gadget and the RAWR Bot is an on-map pickup. And the Desert Eagle is probably going to be my most used weapon :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 02:07, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
:::::: can you cite the official source of the confirmation? thanks. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 13:45, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

Weapons in the game is to have a caliber .44 Magnum. It has to be comparable to the Taurus Model 44 revolver,. It has to be the same rate but a larger magazine because it has 9 rounds.--[[User:Mateogala|MTOOO]] ([[User talk:Mateogala|talk]]) 06:38, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
:8+1 hopefully, not 9+1? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 15:05, 17 May 2014 (EDT)
::It has the correct 8+1, as well as fluting on the barrel, and does the exact same damage as the Taurus. On the technical side of things, guns really are given damage based on caliber, DICE creates a damage model and names it that caliber, then applies that caliber to all the relevant weapons. If, for some crazy reason, they changed the 5.56mm AR damage model to do 100 base damage, that would automatically apply to all 5.56mm ARs. The damage of the same caliber differs slightly per weapon class, however; a 7.62mm Carbine, AR, and MG will do the same base damage, but the Carbine will drop to the lowest damage at range, and the MG will have the most. DMRs have a higher damage model, and Sniper Rifles even more, but this basically represents the shooter's own precision, and thus increased lethality, and also makes them useful for gameplay. Just like there's the lower intermediate round damage model and higher full power round damage model for normal guns (ARs, Carbines, MGs), this also applies to DMRs and Sniper Rifles. The QBU-88 and SKS for DMRs and Elite and FY-JS for Sniper Rifles are the ones that use this lower model, as they should. Well then, this was a bit of a tangent... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 18:14, 17 May 2014 (EDT)

== Off topic ==

So some of you might have noticed on the nets that Battlefield hardline has been announced following leaks of images that included weapon and vehicle icons as well as the title art. What is the policy here about starting a new article about a recently announced game? Because just based on some of the battlelog images, I can tell there's gonna be certain weapons in the game. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 22:21, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BophjO4IUAAYFc6.png:large [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 22:25, 27 May 2014 (EDT)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bopda38IgAA1hK7.png [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 22:26, 27 May 2014 (EDT)
:So the next ''Battlefield'' is ... ''Payday''? They said the big unveil is at E3, so you might as well wait until then. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 03:36, 28 May 2014 (EDT)
::We'll wait for the official reveal, since it's not that far away. The file names for the guns was leaked to, for example the G3 is actually a PTR-91 (as PTI-91), I'll try to find that list again but I can't seem to right now. Also, given the low amount of guns here, like one or two per category, this is likely the Beta build weapon set, with more in final. What the heck is that launcher next to the M2HB? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 05:53, 28 May 2014 (EDT)
:::It looks like it is a [[SA-14 Gremlin]] but without the fire control module and with some kind of mounting bracket on top for fitting it to either a fixed launcher or vehicle. I have never seen a mount like this in real life though, it looks like it is for fitting to aircraft but the only aircraft I have seen with them are helicopters that have them mounted on quad racks with a different attachment system. To me it seems like this image is all vehicle mounted items, like the pod on the right hand side which is an FN HMP-250 containing an M3M. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:51, 28 May 2014 (EDT)

Here's a recently leaked video of the game, codenamed Omaha. http://vimeo.com/96688347 , looks kinda fun. [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 14:47, 28 May 2014 (EDT)

== Hardline ==

Just started the page, I'm waiting for the beta to drop for me so i can get some pics and gun info in there, for now the articles contain guns i've seen from trailers. http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Battlefield_Hardline [[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 00:41, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

== Dragon's Teeth ==

Alrighty, got all the pics up for the dragon's teeth DLC weapons:

Mateba auto revolver

Desert eagle

SIG MPX

M-14 Bulldog

McMillan CS5

M203 on the RAWR

[[User:Bob juan santos|Bob juan santos]] ([[User talk:Bob juan santos|talk]]) 00:55, 18 July 2014 (EDT)

== P90 rail? ==

Did anyone else notice, at least on the PS3 version, that when a laser or flashlight is added to the P90, it doesn't mount the accesory on the side, it extends the top rail and mounts it in front of the sight. What's up with that?-Gunner5

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= Knives =

== KA-BAR Knife ==

The knife in Call of Duty: World at War is rather inconsistent in its ability to connect and kill enemies. It also makes a very loud and distinguishable swinging noise, often causing the user to be exposed, as it is highly unreliable. This knife is only consistent at a one to two foot range, where it usually guarantees a kill.

[[Image:A17%20KB1217.jpg|thumb|none|500px|KA-BAR Knife in real life.]]

[[Image:CoDWAWknife.png|thumb|none|400px|KA-BAR Knife in-game.]]

== Bayonet ==

The Bayonet is an alternative to the knife, and can be attached on all bolt-action rifles - the Kar98k, Springfield, Mosin Nagant and Arisaka - the M1897 Trenchgun, the M1 Garand, the M1A1 Carbine and the Type 99. The Bayonet increases the lunge distance and thereby increases the odds of a successful attack.

[[Image:dwu22-M1-bayonet-s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M1 Bayonet, used by the USMC in-game.]]

[[Image:9130bay.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Mosin Nagant Bayonet, used by the Red Army in-game.]]

[[Image:Japan_bayonet_Type_30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Type 30, used by the Japanese Imperial Army in-game.]]

[[Image:1916b4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S84/98 III Bayonet, used by the Nazi's in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_US.png|thumb|none|400px|The M1 Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_Russian.png|thumb|none|400px|The Mosin Nagant Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:Bayonet_Japanese.png|thumb|none|400px|The Type 30 Bayonet in-game.]]

[[Image:1_unfortunate_soldier.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A US Marine stabs a Japanese soldier with an Arisaka rifle's bayonet.]]

[[Image:624px-Bayonet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A scoped Mosin Nagant with a bayonet, available through the use of mods.]]

== Bowie Knife ==

In the Nazi Zombies map Der Riese the players can replace their usual knife with the Bowie knife for 3000 points that multiplies damage many-fold, allowing one-hit kills up to round 15 and double or triple strikes for as long as any game could hope to last. The Bowie knife upgrade remains after death and respawn, adding value.

[[Image:BowieKnifePolkCompetition2-1024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Bowie Knife in Real Life.]]

[[Image:Bowie.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Bowi Knife in-game.]]

= Other explosives =

Molotov cocktails are available as a secondary grenade during Soviet campaign levels.

[[Image:Codwawmolotov.JPG|thumb|none|550px|The player playing as a Soviet soldier lights his Molotov cocktail.]]
[[Image:CoDWaWMolotov2.jpg|thumb|none|550px|The Molotov cocktail being thrown.]]

= Discussion =

The picture for the M7 Grenade Launcher seems to be incorrect. It's showing the M9A1 bazooka

I think a double barrel shotgun varient can be used in the nazi zombies bonus level, but I can be mistaken
: You can get the double barrel shotgun in the Nazi Zombie game, but you can only get the sawed off double barrel from the magic box as I call it, among other guns. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::No, you get the full length one. If you can fend them off with the .45 and the knife long enough to open the door and grab the boomstick, zombie mode gets a lot easier. I think the zombie mode could have had more potential, maybe more levels and some open spaces. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==PV-1?==

Are you guys sure the MGs on the russian tanks aren't PV-1s? the game has realistic weapons for each side of the war, it would make sense that the MG would be the PV-1 Goryunov. and seeing as how its sights, barrel and overall look are similar to the PV-1, it could be a mis-ID. ive taken a close look at it and i think it is the PV-1 Shown here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bepo_022.jpg
-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

== Guns that aren't here but should have been ==

I wonder why the M3 (Grease gun) wasn't in this game. Or why the Tommy are using the 20 round mags and not the 30 round mags? What about the PPS-43? We also don't see the paratrooper verison of the M1 Carbine with the folding stock and pistol grip. I can understand in single player Marines in the Pacific might not be armed with the paratrooper verison of the carbine, but the Russian single player shoulda gotten the PPS-43, or even in multi player, it would have just been an extra gun to use. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:What do you expect, Activision doesn't know shit about guns. Did you notice how a lot of the gun reloading animations were stolen straight from COD2? And for some reason, they did choose to issue 20 round mags with the Thompsons far more often then the 30s. During the Normandy invasion, 30s made their shine. Keep in mind, the gun in the game is the M1928A1 Thompson. Those were issed 20 round sticks. Then again, it would have been cool if you could use a Thompson with a drum. Personally, I was disapointed by this game. Two campaigns? No U.K.? I was expecting Pacific, Europe, Russia and UK. I guess they were so excited that they got Keifer Sutherland, they didn't think they needed another campaign. I think this game was way too short. I beat it in a day. At least it was better than COD3. Activision is getting a ''little'' better. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

activison didn't make this game treyarch did

The Thompson SMG can be upgraded to a drum mag in multiplayer so that isn't as bad and also the PS2 version has a UK campaign where you are a UK soldier trying to cross the Rhine River and get into the heart of Germany.[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

::To be fair, COD4 Modern Warfare was a great breath of fresh air to the franchise and rather accurate when it came to weapons. But it was also handled by a different, much more capable developer (Infinity Ward, instead of COD3 and WaW's Treyarch). Frankly, if they haven't fired off every single round possible when it comes to WW2, then they're down to their last few bullets, so to speak. The COD franchise needs to replant itself back in modern times (or at the very least, sometime other than 1941-1945) and possibly, focus on maybe law enforcement areas and not just military aspects. Just my opinion. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 07:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I say Vietnam, or Korea next, maybe even the First and second Gulf War. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

::::Korea, yes. Vietnam will be touchy at best and possibly disastrous at worst to handle. The First Gulf War, I can see. The second...well, I think that COD4 touched on that basis already with the Marine levels... ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

::What's so touchy about Vietnam that hasn't already been said about, parodied about, satired, joked, or debated? It's been almost 40 years, that's long enough for most things to be put to rest. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, the COD series has never been about parodies...and IIRC, the last serious depiction of Vietnam to show true-blue heroism was Forrest Gump and some episodes of the History Channel's Dogfights (a show about aerial dogfights - not another COD specialty). Point is, unless Activision and whomever develops it strays away from focusing on the general Army and focuses on specialized units - and if they do that, a long conversation and a military advisor credit had better be heading Dick Marcinko's way - any attempt may bring a lot of controversy with it. ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 04:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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I can't disagree with these arguments. While not a bad game by any means, about the only pros about W.A.W. were that you could take control of a tank or two, because it added a new game play dynamic by forcing players to use explosives for more then just pissing people off while they giggle like little boys in the first grade who have just heard the word p3n15 and think its just fr1661n6 hilarious (anyone can make a kill with a gigantic grenade that can fly you pint of annoyance!), the voice acting was well done (I'm sorry, but Keifer Sutherland as a marine that shoots copious numbers of people, well, he's played both parts of that combination very well, i.e. A Few Good Men and 24 and does a fine job of combining the two), the Nazi zombie level, the Co-op action, and the extra upgrade slots that you unlock when you use Prestige mode. personally, I'm pretty sure the L-E angle is well covered by Rainbow Six and SWAT, if you have a good enough PC. one idea that i haven't seen would be to have combined arms campaigns, probably Infantry, Vehicular, Aviation, and maybe Naval or Artillery to round out the spectrum. kinda like battlefield, but you would have to remain in that area until the campaign was over, instead of respawning as a different class, and of course you would have to customize your character for each mission, e.g. upgrades, weapons, perks, etc., and that would be single player. You could then take (one of) your Player Character(s) over to multiplayer. If Electronic Arts can do it several times over without making the series as bland as their sports games like madden, then Infinity Ward and Activision could probably do it, but make it better.

Another idea, which is a bit more in line with the topic of this discussion (sorry about that, I'm very tangent-prone), would be several small campaigns over the past century leading up to some fictional conflict in the year 2015, keeping the same character, with all of the progression of equipment, uniforms, weaponry, etc. with upgrades, and you can keep your say, FG-42 and bring it into Korea or The Middle East, either unmodified or with some modernizations, ex reflex sight. i have no idea how you could rationalize that, (I'm thinking Captain Price, before we were told that they were two different characters :) or maybe Wolverine, even though he's making his own movie/game at the moment), and i have no idea why you would bring a 60-ish year old battle rifle when there are better weapons, but you would probably have your reasons.

:Some of these ideas sound good. Others, like the last paragraph...well, I just have to ask...How the hell did Wolverine get into this conversation? :) ----[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 00:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, i forgot to mention the Wolverine part. Sorry about that. Just look at the page for the new X-Men movie and you'll understand. Is it X-men Origins, or Legends? i forget

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Does anyone else see the side by side shotgun ejecting a shell casing there while firing?[[Special:Contributions/67.149.192.84|67.149.192.84]] 07:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
i thought i saw something like that in one of the pics
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Would this page like some shots of every weapon? I could probably do some shots of them, as some are missing.

== Ammo belt on M1919 ==

Correct me if I am wrong. Far as I know, US only use metal disintegrating ammo belts on aircraft in WW2 and ground troops only issued with fabric belt. Did the guys nick those off from the flyboys?
:They probably based the M1919 in this game on the so-called "Stinger," which was a shoulder-fired field-built unofficial variant used in the Pacific. Stingers were built using the aircraft version of the weapon, taken from downed fighters. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 05:12, 4 February 2012 (CST)

==Mosin-Nagant 91/30==

At a glance the ingame rifle's world model seems to be closer in length to an M38 than a 91/30, including the sniper version... can someone who isn't half asleep confirm this?

If I recall correctly, I can confirm this. Another strange things about the Nagants: The standard models have bent bolt handles as they were used for the sniper versions, but only in the first person perspective. When you see rifles laying on the ground the bolt handle is straight as it should be. The weirdest thing: Also the sniper versions have straight bolt handles which would make them useless because the scope would block the bolt, but only when the rifle is not seen from the first person perspective. Conclusion: Treyarch made two bolt handle versions for the Nagant, but they mixed them up in a weird way. Sry for my bad and confusing English. ;)
Greetings from Franconia. Paul_Baeumer 26.04.2010

This model IS the M38 and not the 91/30 as specified by the author. From what I heard the front right of the M38 also disallows it from using a bayonet. Someone's got to correct that on the main page [[User:ZuluSix|ZuluSix]] ([[User talk:ZuluSix|talk]]) 19:39, 8 April 2013 (EDT)

==Reload on the PTRS-41==

Can anyone confirm, the last time I played this I was sure the completely botched the reload animation. I know the real thing takes 5 round en bloc clips, and they go that right IIRC, but they loaded it by opening the magazine release and shoving the up into it rather than opening the bolt and seating them down as I believe you're supposed to load the gun.

Although it looks strange it seems to be right. The PTRS was loaded that way. Source: "II. Weltkrieg - Handfeuerwaffen" (German title) by John Weeks, Orbis Publishing Limited, London 1979. 30.04.2010; Paul_Baeumer

==PTRS-41==

Does someone have any ideas who inspired Treyarch to make a hand-held 14.5x114 mm rifle? Only Halo comes to mind...--[[Special:Contributions/109.252.15.58|109.252.15.58]] 14:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean, make it? It's a perfectly real gun. Granted it weighs 20kg and is over 2m long, so picking it up and firing form the shoulder would be kind of hard. But you do more unrealistic things in this game. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 17:27 17/2/11

== ppsh-41 ==

there is a way that reznov could use the ppsh-41 without his index finger because he could use his middle finger and I know how hard it is to fire a mosin nagant sniper rifle using your middle finger is but it is fairly easy to fire any ww2 submachine gun using your middle finger if you are strong enough.

== Weapons ==

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_World_at_War

It says in the article that the PTRS 41 was never issued with a scope. This bit of error originated from Wikipedia. The Wikipedia article says that PTRS 41 rifles with scopes were the first .50 caliber rifles to be fitted with a scope before Barrett Sniper rifle.

Then again judgining Wiki, it's not very accurate and Wikipedia tends to write unsourced statements like that and its reputation for innaccuracy, I don't believe it either.

The writers of Call of Duty World at War decided to use Wikipedia on this one.

The Type 100 Submachine was not used very often by Japanese forces because there were only 10,000 of them made during the war. So, every Japanese soldier having one is historically inaccurate.

The Japanese leadership didn't have much faith in submachine guns because they felt that rifles were good enough for them. The US made over 2,000,000 Thompson guns.

to add to a user's statement about unused guns. How about the M3 Grease Gun? That was used in the Pacific in Okinawa for example, but few were used there.

That error with the PTRS originated from Wikipedia.

== ??? ==

How come every mother####ing call of duty page is full of PNGs stolen from the COD wikia??? That's pathetic if you as me.... [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:00, 21 May 2011 (CDT)

== Bayonet ==

Are the Russian and German bayonets useable in the Single Player Campaign (Xbox 360 version)? Just wanted to know because I don't remember using them in the game. - [[User:1morey]] September 3, 2011 1:04 PM (EST)

== M1 Carbine ==

Is it just me or is the M1 Carbine extremely over powered in game? There are some anarchorisms with the Carbine in multiplayer, those being a boyonet and a 30 round mag. --[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]
:I noticed all that too. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:34, 27 September 2011 (CDT)
Actually, to me knowledge, the M2 Carbine, entering service 1944, had 30 round mags. And it was basically an M1 with fire-selecter. Wouldn't the M2's mags work in the M1 Carbine?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 19:04, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

== This Page... ==

What does (broken) mean? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:32, 28 September 2011 (CDT)

== Enemy at the Gates ==

Who else caught the reference?

== Scoped PTRS ==

Could the inclusion of the scope on the PTRS possibly be based on the story where Vasily Zaytsev fitted a scope on one to take out machine gun nests in Stalingrad? [[User:MasterHunter96|MasterHunter96]] 19:19, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:[http://www.flickr.com/photos/36919288@N08/4707029191/ This?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:32, 27 January 2012 (CST)

== pics for trenchgun==

sgt. sullivan is not the person in those pics

== Thompson Fire-Selector Missing? ==

I can't see anything that looks like a thompson fire-selector on it, despite featuring proper "fire" and "safe" text, can anyone confirm this?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 17:27, 13 February 2012 (CST)

== IJA Artillery identification ==

I'm recording new screencaps for the page to tidy up this beast of an article. Can somebody give a positive ID on this Japanese(?) artillery piece? --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 13:39, 25 November 2012 (EST) [[File:CoDWaW Japanska artiljerija.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Unknown artillery gun from level ''Hard Landing'']]

:Looks like a Type 1 47mm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1_47_mm_Anti-Tank_Gun [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:38, 25 November 2012 (EST)
::Thanks a lot there Tim, much appreciated. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 18:32, 25 November 2012 (EST)

== "Broken" ==
What's with the tit;e of this talk page? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:19, 25 November 2012 (EST)

== General fixes for this page to become not awful ==

:1. Cut-down images need replacing with fullscreen images.
:2. Watermarked images need to go.
:3. Any remaining PNGs need to go.
:4. References to "the player" need fixing; the player is the one who makes choices and presses buttons, the player ''character'' is the one who interacts with the weapons in the game.
:5. Weapons need to be re-sorted by type rather than faction.

:[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 01:51, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::I have already taken most of the snapshot with US and Japanese weapons that are made available in the single player campaign, including mounted machine guns, tank, aircraft and armour armaments, artillery pieces and melee weapons. They are all in .jpg format, fullscreen and I'll tidy up rest of this beast once I get around to upload them and edit the page. Might take a bit due to my obligations here at home, but I'll work as fast as I can.

Mostly took care of the weapon assortment. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 03:26, 26 November 2012 (EST)

== Mosin-Nagant? ==

I noticed the Mosin Nagant was changed to the M38 Carbine, and the screenshots confirm it. But I don't know about everyone else, but the Mosin in the PS3 version is a full sized 91/30, not the M38.-gunner5

Talk:A Bridge Too Far

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=Trivia=
==Background==
Their mission was to seize and hold a series of critical bridges in time for their ground armored and infantry divisions to arrive. It was the largest Airborne operation ever attempted. The title is based on a historical quote by British Lieutenant-General Frederick "Boy" Browning (portrayed in the film by Dirk Bogarde) who feared early on that they were being too ambitious and famously declared "''I think we may be going a bridge too far."'' In the film, we only hear this line in retrospect, when General Browning mentions that he said it, to a disgusted General Roy Urquhart ([[Sean Connery]]), after the disaster that befell the British 1st Airborne at Arnhem.

==Production==
The film is an epic telling of the Allied Airborne operation code-named ''''Market-Garden'''', in which 35,000 American, British and Polish Paratroopers were flown 300 miles and dropped behind enemy lines in Nazi-occupied Holland. The film had a mega budget for its time, $22 Million in 1976 (the film was released in 1977), however the producer, Joseph E. Levine, pre-sold the distribution rights all over the world (and to tempt them, used American and Foreign movie stars who had drawing power all over the world). Ultimately the distributors ended up paying Levine $26 Million for the rights to all of the domestic and foreign markets, thus making it one of the first films to make a profit, before a single screening. However, the film did not do so well in the theaters and received mixed review, so the various distributors around the world, each bore the brunt of the box office disappointments.

==Holland Landings==
The production faithfully reproduced the Airborne landings in Holland with numerous planes and paratroopers, all done without the use of visual effects.
[[File:BridgeTooFar 2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BridgeTooFar 2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BridgeTooFar 2011.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Leopard Mk I mocked up as a German Panther==
For the filming of the German armor, modern era Leopard Mk I tanks were mocked up to resemble the Panther tank.
[[Image:BTF-LeopardA.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Bridge 4505.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Bridge 4501.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Leopard_1_001.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Notice the marks on the gun mantlet. Also notice how the modern sights and smoke grenade launchers are covered up in the movie. Also note the shape of the driver's hatch.]]

===Leopard Tank Discussion===
Looks like a mocked Patton -[[User:Markost|Markost]] 14:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:It can't be a Patton, the driver's hatch is off to the right. Why can't this be a Leopard? It certainly looks like one to me. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 15:41, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::hahaha, it certainly looks like the model TOY of the Leopard. If you can find a google pic of that version of the leopard and post is here I would be grateful. All the pics I can find look nothing like this.
:::Well, it's obviously vis-modded, but it still looks like an early model, an Leopard 1A1 or 1A2. The hatches are in the right place, and the shape of the hull seems unchanged. It looks like they built something on top of the turret to make it a bit more square and to cover up some of the more modern looking features, like the sights. It looks like they also added a muzzle brake and German WWII style skirts. Check out the photos in the link below. The first one you can see the four protrusions on the mantlet. The later photos show that those are for mounting for some equipment. You can also see in the picture above the mountings for the IR searchlight. [http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?154455-Leopard-1-tank-thread] According to IMDb, the filming was done in the Netherlands, and the Dutch used Leopard 1s. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::Awesome. Thanks. When I originally did the page, I originally wrote the it WAS a Leopard primarily because I knew it was filmed in the Netherlands and they probably used some NATO tank for the shots, but all the pics I could find were later Leopard variants with the Chobham style reactive armor which look nothing like the other Leopard tanks. :) That's the perfect shot to prove it's a Leopard! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I think when most people picture a Leopard 1, it's one of the newer ones with the welded hulls, rather than the older ones with the cast hulls, probably because they're the only ones still in service. If you keep going on that the link I provided, they even mention A Bridge Too Far, and they posted the photo that's here as well as another photo of the Leopard crossing a bridge head on. In that one, you get to see the rear of the hull, and the shape of the radiators. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==Historical Notation==
===Was the operation a failure?===
The movie's dark ending is harsh, yet historically accurate. The Allies never made it into Arnhem, the Allied invasion was halted outside Nijmegen effectively cutting off more than 10,000 British paratroopers trapped in Arnhem. Surrounded, the men of the 1st Airborne fought on for seven days, refusing to yield the North side of Arnhem bridge to a superior force, finally, after it was decided that Operation Market-Garden could not succeed, the Allies began to fall back. 8,000 British soldiers of the 1st Airborne were left behind at the mercy of the Nazis and the Dutch would not see liberation for another 7 months.

There's plenty of sites that discuss the operation, but just to summarize the operation.

The Operation failed in its main objective, which was to open a route across the river Rhine into the Rhur district of Germany. There were of course many more practical objectives which were obtained which probably weren't planned but claimed after the operation. Reasons for the failure are well portrayed in the film, these are the Air Force's refusal to land 1st British Airborne Division close to Arnhem Bridge and Guards Armoured Divisions slowness in reaching Arnhem. One other reason which isn't portrayed in the film probably due to General Browning's already portrayal as the villain for ignoring intelligence reports of panzers in Arnhem, was Browning's specific order to General Gavin to not take Nijmegen Bridge until he had secured the heights south east of Nijmegen. This led directly to the 82nd's problems as the Germans had valuable time to fortify the area around the bridge, and forced Gavin to wait for GAD to support his troops with their tanks to take the bridge.

=Discussion=
==K98k==

quote: A boy drafted into the Wehrmacht fights the Americans with his K98 - 7.92x57mm (this is actually no K98k, it is a type of Mauser System, but look at the rear sight. (Are you sure? It just looks like the rear sight is pulled all the way up for a high angle of fire, something a soldier would NOT do when engaging targets closer than a hundred yards, but this is a last ditch barely teenage conscript so I would assume he's not very well trained.....)

Yes, I´m sure, on the other pic it is better to see, they use mauser system rifles, but not all of them were K 98k. the k98k has a relativly flat rear sight, the rifles on this http://www.abload.de/img/btf_k98_05a50mr82d2.jpg pic, use another rearsight, called bogenvisier in german. same rifle type the boy used.

they are looking like shortened Gewehr 98. this was a modification made in big numbers to solve rifle shortage at the end of the war.

pic of gewehr 98: http://www.abload.de/img/gew98o1xe.jpg look at the rear sight! the rifle sights in the movie are not pulled up.

pic of a real k98k: http://www.mauser.org/rifles/K98k%20German/GermanK98-02_1200.jpg

note the small differences. ;-)

::Thanks for the pics, but thats irrelevant because, '''The Pics of the K98 on IMFDB and the Geweher 98 on IMFDB are of my guns'''.... So I know what these rifles look like. Again I'm not contesting the difference between the two rifles, I ALREADY KNOW the difference since I own both of them, but I'm saying that the screenshot can be deceptive. I will look for possible better pics from the film. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== M1911 ==

Actually, the .455 Colt M1911s (not A1s) were purchased in WW1 for the Royal Flying Corps / RAF, but they were chambered in .455 Webley & Scott Auto as used in the M1913 Webley & Scott auto issued to the Royal Navy and Royal Horse Artillery (later passed on to the RAF). Most ended up being converted to .45ACP so they could use the same ammo as the many M1911A1s acquired as lend-lease, issued mainly to paras and commandos before the Canadian-made Hi Powers started arriving in early 1945.
::So you're saying that the M1911s would probably by .45 acp chambered at this time anyway. Correct? that's good to know. I know for a fact that the film used .45 acp blanked guns for the actors. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Definately would have been a .45. The .455s were purchased for the RAF because they chambered the same round as the Webley & Scott autos they'd received from the army - who'd gotten rid of them precisely because they didn't chamber the standard round. Para troops were army, even the glider pilots were - only the Germans put airborne forces under the airforce umbrella. The Brits acquired M1911A1s lend-lease and issued them mostly to Para and Commando units. It's probably a mistake giving Uruqhart a 1911 and not an A1, though at the time he joined British officers purchased their own sidearm and he might have bought a 1911 and kept it after the practice was abolished. - Nyles

Sure it's very plausible that the general had purchased a 1911 chambered in .455 W&S Auto. Why not? Generals (even in the airborne) aren't expected to actually engage in combat.So logistics wouldn't really be a concern for him. A couple boxes of pistol ammo in his Bergen (isn't that what the Brits called ther rucksack?)and a couple spare magazines on his pistol belt and he's good to go. If a general is shooting his sidearm something has gone really wrong. Case in point the sequence where he is trapped in the city and unable to reach his command would be an example of something going really wrong. I know I'm working really hard here, but I like the movie. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 04:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, I seem to remember in a few scenes seeing German soldiers carrying Gewehr 98s - appropriate for rear-echelon garrison troops.
::If you can remember the scene or timecode, I will screencap them if I can [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

if you watch 2:55:58 of this movie you will see germans with garands

==Sorry guys==
Since I created and built 99% of this page, I'm eliminating the film template, which is different than the way we did film pages when this site first started. You're free to use this template on pages you are the primary architect on. The differences are very slight, but I have always preferred the classic IMFDB page format, not the new one. Since there was never a consensus to change all pages over (and that the differences are very slight and probably not noticeable to the casual viewer), I intend to keep all pages I work on in the 'classic style'. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== General Gavin's Garand ==

Shouldn't it be noted that the film did portray General Gavin accurately, showing him carrying a M1 Garand? He indeed did carry a Garand into battle, contrary to most other general officers who only carried pistols(Colt 1903 Hammerless or M1911(A1)) this was a well known habit of him.[[Special:Contributions/217.87.217.106|217.87.217.106]] 11:01, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

== German troops with Garands? ==

Near the end of the film, German troops are seen descending upon the wounded British troops with these rifles. Are the M1 Garands? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:48, 21 September 2011 (CDT)
:Would have been a distinct possibility since a large number of ressuply drops fell into German hands and these included not only normal supplies but weapons and ammo as well. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 20:23, 4 March 2012 (CST)
[[File:BridgeTooFar 2040.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:BridgeTooFar 2042.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
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== Sherman Tank Trivia ==

Someone wrote that some of the Shermans in the film are mock-ups built over Landrovers, this is incorrect. According to the DVD commentry the mock-up Shermans were built by taking casts off the Shermans they had and molding fibreglass shells of the tank, these were then placed on VW Beetles. They're very difficult to spot as they made the tracks to turn as well, if you look carefully the tracks are about an inch from touching the ground.

Landrovers were used in the film but these were used to simulate German armoured cars, specifically they mocked them up as SdKfz 222's and SdKfz 231's. You can find out more on these vehicles at IMCDB's website.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 19:18, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

:Are you sure you are getting that the right way round, everything I have ever read said that they were based on a land rover chassis. The Kübelwagens were Beetle based replicas though. The SdKfz 222 mock is supposedly based on a 1951 Dodge truck chassis (apparently it was sold in a British military magazine in 2009 for £6,500, and this is what it was described as), but not sure about the SdKfz 231. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:55, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

::On the DVD commentry i think its John Richardson who definately says "We built the other Shermans by taking casts off the ones we already had and placing them on VW Beetles, if you notice carefully the tracks go round but they don't touch the ground". I must admit i was suprised as i didn't think that Beetles could manage the weight of the mocked up Sherman. The info on the 222's were for those used on the 'Grabner's Attack' sequence, where they had the Frundsberg Recce Btl charge across Arnhem(Deventer) bridge. It could mean they used a Dodge for another sequence, it was a huge film that was shot over 3 countries. Those on the bridge attack were built on Landrovers, other vehicles included a Polish halftrack which resembled the German ones nearly exactly.--[[User:The Mercenary|The Mercenary]] ([[User talk:The Mercenary|talk]]) 18:51, 9 October 2012 (EDT)

== Question about the M1 Garand's in this movie and another. ==

I noticed that in this movie and The Big Red One (1980) that the M1's barrels are slightly longer than usual.

[[File:BridgeTooFar 2042.jpg|thumb|none|600px| This is from A Bridge Too Far.]]

[[File:TBR1 118.jpg|thumb|none|600px| This is from The Big Red One.]]

Notice how the barrels are ever so slightly longer than a normal Garand

[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

Were these all fake props or was this some kind of bank adapter for the rifle? Sorry if the pictures are crappy. I just pulled them from the site because I'm too lazy to get my own.-Gunner5
:No they were actual Garands it's just the blank firing adapter(s) (BFA) that makes the barrel seem longer. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] ([[User talk:Charon68|talk]]) 12:08, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

And the pics are not crappy.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 23:17, 15 June 2014 (EDT)

:Didn't mean to offend you. I just meant they are the best ones I could find on here and I was sorry if you couldn't see them well enough._Gunner5

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The image of The Winter Soldier's right thigh shows that there are two guns there. The first is the COP 357 (non-extended barrels) and the second appears to be an [[Intratec TEC-38]] similar to the one from [[A Low Down Dirty Shame]]. Zoomed out, it looks like the COP 357 has an extended barrel that is strapped down, but when you zoom in it becomes a little clearer that there is a second gun on the holster. This is my first potential addition to the IMFDB, so I'd like to get a little peer verification before I go and slap on an update.
--[[User:Extimorous|Extimorous]] ([[User talk:Extimorous|talk]]) 19:09, 19 November 2013 (EST)
: You're right. There are two guns. I'll make the edit, thanks for pointing it out.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 16:20, 3 February 2014 (EST)

== Set pictures ==
Just FYI, my ID's pf the FN EGLM, COP 357 and the SIG pistol (think it is a P220 but not 100%) are mostly basedon [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2334203/Explosive-debut-First-glimpse-super-villain-The-Winter-Soldier-set-Captain-America-sequel-blows-SUV.html this] set of set images. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2013 (EDT)

:The SIG looks like a resign prop at least in the first shot. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 18:12, 24 October 2013 (EDT)

== Handheld Minigun ==

Probably a modern gun, but it looks like it has the old GE-style barrel clamps vice the newer combination clamps/flash hider. Though it's hard to tell due to the lack of quality.

[[File:Wintersol_minigun.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:It isn't really either, it is a customised short barrelled Minigun, very much like the one used in [[Soldier]]. Echo1 makes an [http://www.eastcoastairsoft.com/echo1-minigun-package-p-443.html Airsoft replica] in this configuration, but don't know if it ever actually existed as a production model. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:04, 3 February 2014 (EST)

::Agreed, the higher res image makes it clear. It looks a lot like the Soldier gun. It may even be the same one. To my understanding short barreled Miniguns only exist in Hollywood (and Airsoft). All military variants have full length 22-inch barrels. Given that they are always emplaced and require an external power supply, there aren't really any benefits to having shorter barrels in a real world application. --[[User:Gau17|Gau17]] ([[Usertalk:Gau17|talk]]) 14:24, 4 April 2014 (EST)

== Just Saw the Movie ==

I'm pretty sure that the Winter Soldier's P220-series pistol was a P220 Sport. Possibly the P226 Sport, but the barrel looked a bit too large for that. Anyone care to verify? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 4 April 2014 2:15 MST
:A lot of the guns were too in motion to get a good look at in the movie, but I agree that it was a P220. There was a nice M1911 in a box near the very end, and the very first merc on the boat at the beginning looked like he had a G36 with an optics carry handle (as opposed to the C handle). Oh, and one of the mannequins of the Howling Commandos had an M3 Grease Gun. EDIT: I just realized that even though that high caliber rifle that fires soviet-made slugs which lack rifling wasn't ever seen in the movie, the Winter Soldier is seen holding it on the cover! I can't ID it though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 17:11, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
::I believe the manequins all had guns, so you had an M3A1 for Morita's, a Sten Mk II for Falsworth's, am M1 Garand for Bucky's, a Winchester 1897 Trench gun for Dugan's, and a Browning M1919A4 for Jones's. If Dernier's mannequin had a gun it is obscured, but assuming they are going by the first film it would just be a Sten Mk II anyway. I seem to remember some promotional images of the Winter Soldier with that sniper rifle aswell, and it is a Barrett M107 I believe. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:51, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
Anyone think that the customized P226 SCT looks like the one from Season 4 of [[Chuck - Season 4|Chuck]]? --[[User:Mormonpowerranger521|Mormonpowerranger521]] 5 April 21:00 MST

: It's already an entry on the page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 23:31, 5 April 2014 (EDT)
[[File:Chuck 284.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In "Chuck Versus the Cat Squad" (S4E15), Carina (Mini Anden) is threatened with the custom SIG.]]

I think I saw a KRISS Vector when the SHIELD/STRIKE team checks out the bunker after the missile strike. Anyone else see it?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 18:04, 8 April 2014 (EDT)

== Guardians of the Galaxy ==

These will be put here for now. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 13:42, 7 April 2014 (EDT)
[[File:GOTG 314.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:GOTG 305.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:GOTG 311.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:GOTG 303.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== Winter Soldier's M4A1 ==

Anyone else notice the Winter Soldier's M4A1 has no fencing around the mag release button?

[[Image:CAWS_512.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Winter Soldier ([[Sebastian Stan]]) opens fire with the M4A1.]]

[[Image:CA2_302.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The Winter Soldier with the M4A1 fitted with an [[M203A1]] type Grenade Launcher.]]

Could it be an M4 upper on an SP1 lower?-Gunner5

Talk:The Purge (2013)

2014-03-29T03:25:47Z

Gunner5: /* AR-15 LSW */ new section

==Beretta==
I don't think the first gun is a Beretta 92FS. The front of the gun looks off. Maybe a [[Taurus PT945]]? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 20:06, 29 December 2013 (EST)

== Trigger Discipline ==

I must say, the trigger discipline from both the Purgers and Mary Sandin are excellent (better than a lot of other films (sans law enforcement/military films). - [[User:1morey]] February 15, 2014 6:00 PM (EST)
:With the crapsack world they live in, you either learn how to use a gun properly or get slaughtered by your neighbors.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 09:48, 16 February 2014 (EST)

== Not a Ruger SR9 ==

The screen captures shown are NOT of a Ruger SR9. The lever on the SR9's slide stop is internal, not silver and external like in the captures. The pistol is also blocky and way too big to be a SR9, which is a pretty slim pistol. I believe it is a Ruger P95
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] ([[User talk:Geckcgt|talk]]) 11:59, 19 February 2014 (EST)

== Not a M1911a1 ==

The image with the caption "The "Bloody Stranger" (Edwin Hodge) aims a captured M1911A1." is not of a M1911a1. The bore is clearly too small to be a .45 caliber pistol. The image also clearly shows an external extractor, a guide rod that doesn't disassemble from the front, and a dust cover incongruent with the 1911. The shape of the pistol seems to be indicative of a S&W 5900 series, but there is no slide mounted safety, leading me to suspect that it is a Daewoo DP-51
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] ([[User talk:Geckcgt|talk]]) 11:59, 19 February 2014 (EST)

== AR-15 LSW ==

I definitely saw an LSW. In the scene after the purgers tear down the reinforced doors, the purger who is looking in through he door window is armed with an LSW, it had the square handguard and the forgrip. I don't own a copy but if their is anyone who can screencap it.-Gunner5

Talk:Shellshock 2: Blood Trails

2014-02-23T16:19:29Z

Gunner5: /* This game... */ new section

== Re-Editing this article ==

This article needs a major edit, such as, links to weapons, better pics, etc. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]]

== This game... ==

Did anyone else enjoy this game? Or am I the only one?-Gunner5

Red 2

2013-12-22T22:08:23Z

Gunner5:

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{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name = Red 2
|picture = Red2Teaser.jpg
|caption = ''Teaser Poster''
|country = [[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director = Dean Parisot
|date= 2013
|language = English
|studio=
|distributor= Summit Pictures
|character1=Frank Moses
|actor1=[[Bruce Willis]]
|character2=Marvin Boggs
|actor2=[[John Malkovich]]
|character3=Victoria
|actor3=[[Helen Mirren]]
|character4=Sarah Ross
|actor4=[[Mary-Louise Parker]]
|character5=Han Jo-Bae
|actor5=[[Byung-hun Lee]]
|character6=Katya Petrokovich
|actor6=[[Catherine Zeta-Jones]]
|character7=Edward Bradley
|actor7=[[Anthony Hopkins]]
|character8=Jack Horton
|actor8=[[Neal McDonough]]
|character9=
|actor9=
|character10=
|actor10=
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'''''Red 2''''' is the 2013 sequel to 2010's ''[[Red]]''. [[Bruce Willis]] returns as retired CIA operative Frank Moses, who has been informed he is once again targeted for elimination, this time by his old colleague Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]). [[John Malkovich]], [[Mary-Louise Parker]], and [[Brian Cox]] return for the sequel, and are joined this time by [[Catherine Zeta-Jones]] and [[Anthony Hopkins]].

{{Film Title}}
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=Handguns=
==Para-Ordnance Black Ops==
Frank Moses appears to use a [[Para-Ordnance Black Ops]] pistol throughout the film.
[[File:ParaBlackOps.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para Ordnance Black Ops - .45 ACP]]
[[File:Red2 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank Moses ([[Bruce Willis]]) holds the pistol while under fire.]]
[[File:Red2_404.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank holds his pistol.]]
[[File:Red 2 1911 silhouette.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Frank's Black Ops in the beginning credits sequence.]]
[[File:Red 2 frank 1911 1.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[File:Red 2 frank 1911 car seat.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Frank reaches for his Black Ops on the sear next to him.]]
[[File:Red 2 frank 1911 mi6 doctor.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Frank with his Black Ops and Victoria with her Taurus holding an MI6 doctor at gunpoint.]]
[[File:Red 2 franks 1911 on the ground.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Frank's Black Ops knocked on the ground during a fight with Han.]]
[[File:Red 2 Han with franks 1911.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Han with Frank's Black Ops.]]
[[File:Red 2 franks 1911 slide view.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|View of the slide on Frank's 1911.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Edward Bradley ([[Anthony Hopkins]]) uses a [[Beretta 92FS]] in the film. French National Police and RAID officers are also armed with the Beretta 92FS.
[[File:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:Red2 59.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|French National Police and RAID officers are also armed with the
Beretta 92FS.]]

Note: The French National Police issue a slightly different model Beretta. The M92G which is externally the same as the M92FS but the decocker does not work as a manual safety.

== Makarov PM ==
SVR Major General Katya Petrokovich ([[Catherine Zeta-Jones]]), and the Moscow Police both carry [[Makarov PM]] pistols.
[[File:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Russian Makarov PM - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[File:That hat tho.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|That hat tho...]]
[[File:Moscow police makarovs red 2.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Moscow Police pointing their Makarov's at Han.]]

== Glock 17 ==
Jack Horton ([[Neal McDonough]]) uses a suppressed [[Glock 17]] pistol at the Yankee White facility.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Generation 2 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Red2 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A suppressed [[Glock 17]] is seen in the hands of Jack Horton ([[Neal McDonough]]).]]
[[File:Red 2 glock alternative.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Jack's suppressed Glock 17.]]

==Glock 34==
Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) uses a [[Taurus PT92]] and a [[Glock 34]]. Han Jo-Bae also is seen wielding a Glock.
[[File:Glock34.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 34 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Red 2 glocks in a box.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Han Jo-Bae's twin Glocks going through security.]]
[[File:Red2 412.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Jo-Bae holds the Glock in his left hand.]]
[[File:RED2 PT92 & G17.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Victoria holds the Glock in her left hand.]]
[[File:Red2 18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Victoria wields the Glock 34.]]
[[File:Red2 21.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Victoria with the Glock 34.]]
[[File:Red 2 glock open top.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|The open topped slide on the Glock.]]

== Kel-Tec PF-9 ==
Victoria pulls a [[Kel-Tec PF-9]] as a distraction at the Iranian Embassy in Paris.
[[File:Kel-tec pf9-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Kel-Tec PF-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Red 2 victoria kel tec 1.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Victoria pulling a Kel-Tec at the Iranian Embassy ]]
[[File:Red 2 victoria kel tec 2.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Victoria pulling a Kel-Tec at the Iranian Embassy in Paris.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by Sarah Ross ([[Mary-Louise Parker]]) as well as Frank.
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol - 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[File:Yankee white p226 red 2.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is held by an FBI agent at the Yankee White Facility.]]
[[File:Red2 413.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah Ross ([[Mary-Louise Parker]]) holds a P226.]]
[[File:Red2 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank holds the pistol.]]

==SIG-Sauer P232 SL==
A [[SIG-Sauer P232|SIG-Sauer P232 SL]] pistol is given to Sarah Ross by Frank Moses. It has a gold trigger and hammer.
[[Image:P232 SL.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P232 SL - .380 ACP]]
[[ File:Red 2 p232 box.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the [[SIG-Sauer P232|SIG-Sauer P232 SL]] pistol with a gold trigger and hammer.]]
[[ File:Red2 p232 hand 1.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah holds the Iranian Ambassador to France at gunpoint with her P232]]
[[ File:Red 2 p232 hand 2.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Another angle of Sarah holding the Iranian Ambassador to France at gunpoint with her P232]]
[[ File:Red 2 p232 shoot.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah kills an Iranian Embassy worker with her P232]]

==Taurus PT92==
Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) uses a [[Taurus PT92]] along with a Glock during the car chase.
[[Image:TaurusPT92AFSwBlack.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92AFS (Stainless) with Slimline Black Factory Grips - 9x19mm]]
[[File:RED2 PT92 & G17.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) holds a [[Taurus PT92]] in her right hand.]]
[[File:Red2 2000.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) fires the Taurus PT92. It appears that CG is utilized when the pistol fired (as it is way too close to the actor's face).]]

== Tokarev TT-33 ==
A [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol#Tokarev TT-33|Tokarev TT-33]] is wielded by Dr. Edward Bailey ([[Anthony Hopkins]]).
[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[File:Red2 31.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol#Tokarev TT-33|Tokarev TT-33]] is wielded by Dr. Edward Bailey ([[Anthony Hopkins]]).]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
Victoria Winters ([[Helen Mirren]]) fires a [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] with a red dot sight.
[[Image:H&K MP71A1.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with factory magazine and iron sights—4.6×30mm]]
[[File:Red 2 victoria mp7 underarm carry.jpeg‎|thumb|none|600px|Victoria Winters ([[Helen Mirren]]) carrying an MP7 in "The Tower."]]
[[File:Red2 33.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Victoria is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]].]]
[[File:Red 2 victoria mp7 on hans jet.jpeg‎|thumb|none|600px|Victoria pulls her MP7 when Han surprises her on on his private jet.]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP9==
Han Jo-Bae takes up a [[Heckler & Koch UMP9]].
[[Image:Hk ump9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch UMP9 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Red2 407.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Jo-Bae takes up a [[Heckler & Koch UMP9]].]]
[[File:Red 2 sarah ump 1.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires a UMP9 into the air in Venezuela.]]
[[File:Red 2 sarah ump 2.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires a UMP9 into the air in Venezuela.]]

==Micro Uzi==
The Frog ([[David Thewlis]]) is seen using a [[Micro Uzi]].
[[Image:MicroUziPistolStock.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|IMI Micro Uzi with folding stock - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Red2 15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Frog ([[David Thewlis]]) is seen using a [[Micro Uzi]].]]

==Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion==
Dr. Edward Bailey ([[Anthony Hopkins]]) is seen wielding a [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]].
[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion - .32 ACP]]
[[File:Red2 35.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dr. Edward Bailey ([[Anthony Hopkins]]) wielding a [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]].]]
[[File:Red 2 bailey skorpion.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Bailey holding Sarah at gunpoint with his Skorpion.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Accuracy International AX338==
Close-up of an [[Accuracy International AX338]] sniper rifle is shown. This is a continuity error, as Victoria is seen using a Remington 700 AICS.
[[Image:AX338.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Accuracy International AX338 with Harris bipod - .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[File:RED2 AX338.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A closeup of the rifle's trigger (the rifle has changed to the AX338). Note the "England" stamp above the trigger.]]

==Remington 700 AICS==
Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) is seen with a suppressed [[Remington 700]] mounted on an Accuracy International Chassis System.
[[File:Rem 700 AICS 1.5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 700 AICS with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Red2 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Victoria ([[Helen Mirren]]) is seen with a suppressed [[Remington 700]] mounted on an Accuracy International Chassis System.]]
[[File:RED2 700.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The bolt action is seen.]]

==Accuracy International L96A1==
In some scenes, Victoria's rifle changes from a Remington 700 action to an actual [[Accuracy International L96A1]].
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Accuracy International Artic Warfare L96A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[File:Red2 53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here the rifle's bolt action is different.]]

=Rifles=
==AK-104==
SVR Major General Katya Petrokovich ([[Catherine Zeta-Jones]]) holds an [[AK-104]] on the team in the Kremlin. Moscow police appear to carry [[AK-104]] rifles in the film.
[[Image:AK104.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-104 carbine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[File:Red 2 katya akmsu.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|SVR Major General Katya Petrokovich ([[Catherine Zeta-Jones]]) holds an [[AK-104]] on the team in the Kremlin.]]
[[File:Red2 411.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Moscow police appear to carry [[AK-104]] rifles in the film.]]

== Heckler & Koch G36C ==
A French Police officer is briefly seen with a [[Heckler & Koch G36C]].
[[File:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Red 2 hk g36c.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Heckler & Koch HK416==
The [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] is seen in the hands of Jack Horton ([[Neal McDonough]]). Horton's men also are armed with [[HK416]]'s.
[[Image:HK416 current.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 D10RS with 10.4 inch barrel - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:Red2 09.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] is seen in the hands of Jack Horton ([[Neal McDonough]]).]]
[[File:Red2 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Horton's men also are armed with [[HK416]]'s.]]

==M16A2==
US troops and guards appear to be armed with [[M16A2]] rifles.
[[File:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A2]]
[[File:Red 2 guards.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Armed guards at the Pentagon appear to be armed with [[M16A2]] rifles.]]
[[File:Red2 401.jpg|thumb|none|600px|US troops appear to be armed with [[M16A2]] rifles.]]

=Machine Guns=
==General Dynamics GAU-17/A==
The assassin Han Jo-Bae ([[Byung-hun Lee]]) opens fire with a [[M134|GAU-17/A]].
[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:Red2 06.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The assassin Han Jo-Bae ([[Byung-hun Lee]]) handles the [[M134|GAU-17/A]].]]

=Other=
Han Jo-Bae has a cache of weapons on a bed.
[[File:Red2 407.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Han Jo-Bae has a cache of weapons on a bed.]]

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Talk:U-571

2013-11-06T23:53:53Z

Gunner5: /* Possible M1A1 Thompson? */ new section

I really like this website, but I think all armaments, munitions should be included not just portable, infantry weapons. Like here in U-571, the torpedo type used, the deck guns of both destroyer and U-boat should be included, also the anti aircraft gun on the U-boat scene is important also

== All weapons should be included ==

I really like this website, but I think all armaments, munitions should be included not just portable, infantry weapons. Like here in U-571, the torpedo type used, the deck guns of both destroyer and U-boat should be included, also the anti aircraft gun on the U-boat scene is important also
::Not all of us know that stuff though. Learning all of these firearms takes lots of time and experiance, and some of us just don't have enough room for things other than small arms. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Thompson with Stock ==

I think that the stock installed on the Thompson are modified M1 Carbine stock.

However it is not entirely wrong that a task force has submitted a variation on a Thompson to a specific mission in close spaces. Also they need to carry guns under his coat. - [[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]

::In my opinion it would have been more historically accurate to have used the Thompsons with buttstock detached.--[[User:Carl N. Brown|Carl N. Brown]] ([[User talk:Carl N. Brown|talk]]) 11:47, 27 November 2012 (EST)

[[Image:M1A1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Carbine .30 Carbine with adjustable rear sights, and side-folding stock]]
[[Image:MiModtommy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Thompson Modified]]
[[Image:U571 008.JPG|thumb|none|400px]]

==M1911?==
I think the "M1911" is an M1911A1, you can just make out the curved spring housing in the first cap. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:27, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:U571 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px]]

== I love this shot ==

[[Image:U-571FlankGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Was that chosen specifically to give Rabbit a goatee using the sight, or was it just a happy accident? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:52, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

::Just a happy accident, I guess. I hadn't thought of the goatee before, lol :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 04:31, 30 September 2011 (CDT)

== M1 Garand or M1903? ==

I just watched the movie again yesterday and I noticed that during the scene were they were being brought in to be briefed and to see their U-Boat, What looks like either M1 Garands or M1903 springfields are seen slung over the backs of MPs. The scene is slightly at a distance so its kinda hard to tell.
::I don't have the movie handy, but I have seen WWII Signal Corps source photo showing MP armed with Springfield at a checkpoint in France Dec 1944; so if the movie shows MPs with Springfields it would be historically acceptable. --[[User:Carl N. Brown|Carl N. Brown]] ([[User talk:Carl N. Brown|talk]]) 11:44, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Possible M1A1 Thompson? ==

[[Image:U-571Tommy_3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A sailor wielding his Tommy gun climbs on the U-571.]]
This Tommy appears to have it's bolt on the side. Possible M1A1?-Gunner5

Talk:Aliens: Colonial Marines

2013-05-20T02:56:10Z

Gunner5: /* M1911? */

*Valant 5/23/12 15:35 PST
I am a die hard fan of the Alien franchise, especially the second movie which holds to me as my favorite movie (cant count how many times I have seen it). I wanted to start a forum discussion relating to one of the only characters from the movie who has a slight chance of making it into the game: Private Hudson (Bill Paxton's character). *SPOILER ALERT FOR FILM* He was seen being dragged down into the depths of the ground, and proved himself a powerful soldier. I have a theory that he will appear in the movie if not as a main character than at least a cameo. Newt was able to survive on the planet for an extended period of time and the screen shots do show Hadley's Hope not completely destroyed. I hope this becomes a reality and wanted to get all of your feedback
:I don't see how that would be possible, are you forgetting about the gigantic nuclear explosion that destroyed the whole colony? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:47, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
*Valant 5/29/12 13:42 PST*
I thought the same thing to about the Nuclear Explosion, then again they show in the E3 2011 footage large portions of the colony left intact, that or in the Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual at the end of the book there are some transcripts from Weyland Yutani Representatives who state that the spaceship could have been left intact because of the blast radius did not reach it. Maybe he made it to the Derlict Space Jockey craft because of a rover or some Sci Fi BS. If did it would not be to upset.

I'm willing to bet that there will be an achievement for maybe finding his body or his gun since it shows up in the main page of this game. That'd be interesting, like 10 points and the achievement is called "Game over, Man! Game Over!" Just a thought. I however find it unlikely he survived that assault let alone surviving on that planet for 17 weeks. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 22:51, 11 February 2013 (EST)
:According to one review, there is an achievement with that name, but it's for finishing the game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:33, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Disappointing==

This game...wow. Aside from calling mags clips even the magazine tube in shotguns clips, they also mistake a pump action for semi auto. That's what it saids. I couldn't stop laughing at the stupid when the shotgun called "Pump Shotgun" has listed fire mode as "Semi automatic" [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:52, 12 February 2013 (EST)
:If they're the only problems with the game, frankly I'll be a happy man.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:35, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I wish that was the only problem with the game. That's just related to guns. The game is crap with bad graphics, cheesy story, stupid AI and clunky controls [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:19, 13 February 2013 (EST)
Not to mention the limbs clipping through the walls and shitty dialogue/writing. Can't believe it took them 7 years to make this game. Duke Nukem Forever all over again... AVP2010 is much better in my opinion. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:09, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. AVP 2010 was pretty damn lousy and at least in this one the NPCs aren't quite so enthusiastic about nagging you to death. Also you don't have a Predator trying to stab himself in the eyes with his wristblades. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2013 (EST)

AVP had a problem because we focused at 3 different factions and 3 different types of story and gameplay. So they had to deal with multiple things. This game, they only had to focus on the Marines in the singleplayer...multiplayer aside, they had ONE faction to deal with. The Marines. Oh how they fucked it up. The graphics look like PS2 graphics. The enemy AI and your friendly AI clip through walls, don't follow you and seem very lifeless in conversation. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:04, 13 February 2013 (EST)

:::Having now played this myself... It's not ''that'' bad. The graphics are certainly above PS2 standard, saying that's just unfair. The lighting's well done. But it's by no means ''Killzone 2'' in the graphics department. The nostalgic touches are great, but I guess they'll only influence people like me who love the film. The AI's pretty poor. But the absolute worst sin the game commits is by failing to make the Aliens scary. They're just cannon fodder. At least ''AvP'''s Marine campaign was freaky.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:40, 14 February 2013 (EST)

: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck836MIeYwo here is a great review of the game. The guy mentions pretty much everything I have problems with. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 06:23, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::Holy hell, that screen tearing. That doesn't happen on PC. Neither does the texture draw-in. I guess they mained on PC (which has a vsync option) and the other two platforms are ports which aren't optimised for a console's amount of graphics RAM (Xbox 360 has ten megs of graphics RAM and 512 megs general, decent gaming PC has 2+ gigs of graphics RAM and 10+ gigs general). ''Rage'' had the same problem with main development being on PC, and since that used megatextures it had texture draw-in for the entire game world.

::On the plus side, the screen tearing can give Xbox owners some idea of what it's like to play bad PS3 ports. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:31, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::::I gotta be honest, I haven't noticed any real graphical glitches yet (admittedly I'm only about halfway through the game), with the exception of one Alien who ran straight through a door that was actually closed.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 06:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGX2WE4QUw8 This is another good reviewer that talks about the game and how it fails. Oh and take a look at this one, where it compares the demo to the final product. Night and day differences in quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:16, 14 February 2013 (EST)
:[http://kotaku.com/5984068/how-aliens-colonial-marines-fell-apart This] would explain the disparity between the demo and final product. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:41, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Oh my god, the AI is crap. My squadmates don't shoot back, the Aliens run pass me and don't detect me shooting at them, and I literally ran through an entire level without firing a single shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:17, 14 February 2013 (EST)
: Yeah, I had the opposite problem. My squadmates shot back, ALL of the Aliens ran at me and bypassed my teammates, it took me half a magazine to kill ONE and I had to shoot everything in every level.--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 19:26, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::I played the game on the hardest setting and ran through a lot of it because someone told me that I could, so I tried. Ran passed enemies and didn't even get hurt that much. An alien glitched so badly that it looked like it was dancing like in the Spaceballs scene [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:11, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Its like Big Rigs all over again.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]])

:Games like these make me realize all the more how great [[Aliens vs. Predator 2]] was--its singleplayer was well written, well scripted, and had some classic scares. Its multiplayer three-way inter-species combat with each faction having its own unique abilities and weaponry. Much as I wish Monolith Productions would get the next AvP game, a game like AvP2 will not likely be made again for the franchise--the original had 21 well-made levels (7 missions for each of the three singleplayer factions) along with all the work that had to go into multiplayer, and with the rising costs of game production it's unlikely anyone could fund a project of that magnitude today without a lot of "catering to the lowest common denominator." --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 23:22, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::The only real problem AVP2 had was the Predator campaign, which took a player character which would work great in an open stealth-focused game and stuffed them into narrow corridors. Though you can fix that and have a proper version by playing ''Crysis'' and roaring whenever you kill someone. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Yeah, AvP2 was released in 2001, after all. Though the hypothetical mod you mention would definitely be something worth seeing (I hope they import the excellent Predator voice clips from AvP2 into such a mod, such as the inappropriate laughter when you score a headshot with the Speargun or the roar when you take a trophy or gib something). And tight corridors did at least make sense for most of the AvP2 Predator campaign that took place indoors, such as Xenomorph tunnels (who are used to crawling on all fours), the Forward Observation Pods (prefab suspended habitation units lowered in one piece from outer space, so open space is at a premium), and Pilot (AKA the Xenomorph creators) archaeology sites.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 17:23, 15 February 2013 (EST)
::Aye, but it doesn't really suit the Predator to be in those locations, you'd think he'd figure out some way to hunt his enemies on his own terms rather than trying to fight according to theirs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:04, 16 February 2013 (EST)
:Oh well, Monolith did try to justify it through their writing team, at least. Mission 1 is somewhat open-ended hunting by the Predator player character, mission 2 is tracking an APC carrying the player character's captured clan mates, mission 3 is infiltrating the Forward Observation Pods, mission 4 is escaping the pods, and missions 5 - 7 is tracking down the bastard who stole your Predator mask through Xenomorph tunnels and ancient extraterrestrial excavation sites. While I would like an open-ended Predator game, the Monolith devs did at least make the Predator campaign fun and compelling, even with a character who can't speak intelligibly. The ending to the Predator campaign in the Primal Hunt expansion is also quite a shock, assuming you haven't played the Alien campaign first in that game. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:37, 16 February 2013 (EST)

a wasted opportunity
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 06:59, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

== Bullpup ==

The unknown bullpup looks like the [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#.22SMR.22|SMR from BO2]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Fairly sure they based it on [http://www.play2compete.co.uk/home/wp-content/gallery/halo-4/h4_battlerifle_2_tif_jpgcopy.jpg one of the battle rifle designs from the Halo games], [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5758/2185142-ipl7cfh8f0frm.jpg the DMR from Halo 4] which is derived from the same designs looks pretty similar if you ignore the silly underbarrel accessory and give it a full-barrel handguard. Real gun basis is probably a TAR-21 given the grip and stock. SMG looks like what happens when you bash a TDI Vector against a Pulse Rifle until they become one, and the other rifle is just some ugly attempt to make an accurised Pulse Rifle. Which spellcheck is recommending 'accursed' for. I think it's right about that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:59, 16 February 2013 (EST)

== M1911? ==

The in-game description of the M1911 states that it is chambered in 9mm. M1911's are .45 ACP.-Gunner5
:Correct but there are [[Star_1911_Series#Star_Model_B|1911 variants chambered for 9mm]].[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 13:51, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
::Yes, that is true. However the 1911 in-game has a grip safety, I didn't think Star pistols had grip safety's.-Gunner5

Talk:Aliens: Colonial Marines

2013-05-18T17:49:12Z

Gunner5: /* M1911? */ new section

*Valant 5/23/12 15:35 PST
I am a die hard fan of the Alien franchise, especially the second movie which holds to me as my favorite movie (cant count how many times I have seen it). I wanted to start a forum discussion relating to one of the only characters from the movie who has a slight chance of making it into the game: Private Hudson (Bill Paxton's character). *SPOILER ALERT FOR FILM* He was seen being dragged down into the depths of the ground, and proved himself a powerful soldier. I have a theory that he will appear in the movie if not as a main character than at least a cameo. Newt was able to survive on the planet for an extended period of time and the screen shots do show Hadley's Hope not completely destroyed. I hope this becomes a reality and wanted to get all of your feedback
:I don't see how that would be possible, are you forgetting about the gigantic nuclear explosion that destroyed the whole colony? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:47, 23 May 2012 (CDT)
*Valant 5/29/12 13:42 PST*
I thought the same thing to about the Nuclear Explosion, then again they show in the E3 2011 footage large portions of the colony left intact, that or in the Aliens Colonial Marines Technical Manual at the end of the book there are some transcripts from Weyland Yutani Representatives who state that the spaceship could have been left intact because of the blast radius did not reach it. Maybe he made it to the Derlict Space Jockey craft because of a rover or some Sci Fi BS. If did it would not be to upset.

I'm willing to bet that there will be an achievement for maybe finding his body or his gun since it shows up in the main page of this game. That'd be interesting, like 10 points and the achievement is called "Game over, Man! Game Over!" Just a thought. I however find it unlikely he survived that assault let alone surviving on that planet for 17 weeks. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 22:51, 11 February 2013 (EST)
:According to one review, there is an achievement with that name, but it's for finishing the game. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:33, 12 February 2013 (EST)

==Disappointing==

This game...wow. Aside from calling mags clips even the magazine tube in shotguns clips, they also mistake a pump action for semi auto. That's what it saids. I couldn't stop laughing at the stupid when the shotgun called "Pump Shotgun" has listed fire mode as "Semi automatic" [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:52, 12 February 2013 (EST)
:If they're the only problems with the game, frankly I'll be a happy man.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:35, 13 February 2013 (EST)
::I wish that was the only problem with the game. That's just related to guns. The game is crap with bad graphics, cheesy story, stupid AI and clunky controls [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:19, 13 February 2013 (EST)
Not to mention the limbs clipping through the walls and shitty dialogue/writing. Can't believe it took them 7 years to make this game. Duke Nukem Forever all over again... AVP2010 is much better in my opinion. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 09:09, 13 February 2013 (EST)
:Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. AVP 2010 was pretty damn lousy and at least in this one the NPCs aren't quite so enthusiastic about nagging you to death. Also you don't have a Predator trying to stab himself in the eyes with his wristblades. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:44, 13 February 2013 (EST)

AVP had a problem because we focused at 3 different factions and 3 different types of story and gameplay. So they had to deal with multiple things. This game, they only had to focus on the Marines in the singleplayer...multiplayer aside, they had ONE faction to deal with. The Marines. Oh how they fucked it up. The graphics look like PS2 graphics. The enemy AI and your friendly AI clip through walls, don't follow you and seem very lifeless in conversation. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:04, 13 February 2013 (EST)

:::Having now played this myself... It's not ''that'' bad. The graphics are certainly above PS2 standard, saying that's just unfair. The lighting's well done. But it's by no means ''Killzone 2'' in the graphics department. The nostalgic touches are great, but I guess they'll only influence people like me who love the film. The AI's pretty poor. But the absolute worst sin the game commits is by failing to make the Aliens scary. They're just cannon fodder. At least ''AvP'''s Marine campaign was freaky.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 03:40, 14 February 2013 (EST)

: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck836MIeYwo here is a great review of the game. The guy mentions pretty much everything I have problems with. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 06:23, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::Holy hell, that screen tearing. That doesn't happen on PC. Neither does the texture draw-in. I guess they mained on PC (which has a vsync option) and the other two platforms are ports which aren't optimised for a console's amount of graphics RAM (Xbox 360 has ten megs of graphics RAM and 512 megs general, decent gaming PC has 2+ gigs of graphics RAM and 10+ gigs general). ''Rage'' had the same problem with main development being on PC, and since that used megatextures it had texture draw-in for the entire game world.

::On the plus side, the screen tearing can give Xbox owners some idea of what it's like to play bad PS3 ports. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:31, 14 February 2013 (EST)

::::I gotta be honest, I haven't noticed any real graphical glitches yet (admittedly I'm only about halfway through the game), with the exception of one Alien who ran straight through a door that was actually closed.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 06:56, 14 February 2013 (EST)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGX2WE4QUw8 This is another good reviewer that talks about the game and how it fails. Oh and take a look at this one, where it compares the demo to the final product. Night and day differences in quality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:16, 14 February 2013 (EST)
:[http://kotaku.com/5984068/how-aliens-colonial-marines-fell-apart This] would explain the disparity between the demo and final product. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:41, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Oh my god, the AI is crap. My squadmates don't shoot back, the Aliens run pass me and don't detect me shooting at them, and I literally ran through an entire level without firing a single shot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:17, 14 February 2013 (EST)
: Yeah, I had the opposite problem. My squadmates shot back, ALL of the Aliens ran at me and bypassed my teammates, it took me half a magazine to kill ONE and I had to shoot everything in every level.--[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 19:26, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::I played the game on the hardest setting and ran through a lot of it because someone told me that I could, so I tried. Ran passed enemies and didn't even get hurt that much. An alien glitched so badly that it looked like it was dancing like in the Spaceballs scene [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:11, 14 February 2013 (EST)

Its like Big Rigs all over again.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]])

:Games like these make me realize all the more how great [[Aliens vs. Predator 2]] was--its singleplayer was well written, well scripted, and had some classic scares. Its multiplayer three-way inter-species combat with each faction having its own unique abilities and weaponry. Much as I wish Monolith Productions would get the next AvP game, a game like AvP2 will not likely be made again for the franchise--the original had 21 well-made levels (7 missions for each of the three singleplayer factions) along with all the work that had to go into multiplayer, and with the rising costs of game production it's unlikely anyone could fund a project of that magnitude today without a lot of "catering to the lowest common denominator." --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 23:22, 14 February 2013 (EST)
::The only real problem AVP2 had was the Predator campaign, which took a player character which would work great in an open stealth-focused game and stuffed them into narrow corridors. Though you can fix that and have a proper version by playing ''Crysis'' and roaring whenever you kill someone. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Yeah, AvP2 was released in 2001, after all. Though the hypothetical mod you mention would definitely be something worth seeing (I hope they import the excellent Predator voice clips from AvP2 into such a mod, such as the inappropriate laughter when you score a headshot with the Speargun or the roar when you take a trophy or gib something). And tight corridors did at least make sense for most of the AvP2 Predator campaign that took place indoors, such as Xenomorph tunnels (who are used to crawling on all fours), the Forward Observation Pods (prefab suspended habitation units lowered in one piece from outer space, so open space is at a premium), and Pilot (AKA the Xenomorph creators) archaeology sites.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 17:23, 15 February 2013 (EST)
::Aye, but it doesn't really suit the Predator to be in those locations, you'd think he'd figure out some way to hunt his enemies on his own terms rather than trying to fight according to theirs. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:04, 16 February 2013 (EST)
:Oh well, Monolith did try to justify it through their writing team, at least. Mission 1 is somewhat open-ended hunting by the Predator player character, mission 2 is tracking an APC carrying the player character's captured clan mates, mission 3 is infiltrating the Forward Observation Pods, mission 4 is escaping the pods, and missions 5 - 7 is tracking down the bastard who stole your Predator mask through Xenomorph tunnels and ancient extraterrestrial excavation sites. While I would like an open-ended Predator game, the Monolith devs did at least make the Predator campaign fun and compelling, even with a character who can't speak intelligibly. The ending to the Predator campaign in the Primal Hunt expansion is also quite a shock, assuming you haven't played the Alien campaign first in that game. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:37, 16 February 2013 (EST)

== Bullpup ==

The unknown bullpup looks like the [[Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops_2#.22SMR.22|SMR from BO2]]. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:14, 15 February 2013 (EST)
:Fairly sure they based it on [http://www.play2compete.co.uk/home/wp-content/gallery/halo-4/h4_battlerifle_2_tif_jpgcopy.jpg one of the battle rifle designs from the Halo games], [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5758/2185142-ipl7cfh8f0frm.jpg the DMR from Halo 4] which is derived from the same designs looks pretty similar if you ignore the silly underbarrel accessory and give it a full-barrel handguard. Real gun basis is probably a TAR-21 given the grip and stock. SMG looks like what happens when you bash a TDI Vector against a Pulse Rifle until they become one, and the other rifle is just some ugly attempt to make an accurised Pulse Rifle. Which spellcheck is recommending 'accursed' for. I think it's right about that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:59, 16 February 2013 (EST)

== M1911? ==

The in-game description of the M1911 states that it is chambered in 9mm. M1911's are .45 ACP.-Gunner5

Talk:Our Man in Havana

2013-04-06T22:35:41Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */ new section

== Revolvers ==
It seems to me that the first revolver is [[Smith & Wesson Model M&P]], and the second one looks similar to some [[Webley Revolvers|Webley]] model. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 15:22, 6 April 2013 (EDT)

== M1 Garand ==

I'm sorry, but where do you see an M1 Garand in these two shots?
[[Image:havana3_sm.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Cifuentes (Grégoire Aslan, as Gregoire Aslan) accuses Wormold.]]
[[Image:havana4_sm.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Wormold contemplates his predicament.]]
I just see bolt action rifles.--Gunner5

Talk:Redacted

2013-03-24T03:23:25Z

Gunner5: /* Just a question... */

What the hell, I thought this was a professional encyclopedic site, to hell with this crap. You guys are children who can't handle a fictional film. I'm sick of the bias on this site, when John Wayne flinches it's a "nice touch of realism" when Mel Gibson does it he's a "chump" and "punk," christ, the worst part of being a gun owner is the other gun owners. You guys want to live in some fantasy world where wearing a uniform means you can do no wrong, be my guest.--[[User:Toadvine|Toadvine]] 21:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

GunMaster45 did an excellent job with the disclaimer, since this is such an insulting film to current and former veterans, that many don't even want to acknowledge it's existence. The next ASSHAT who removes or disparages this disclaimer will either get a tonguelashing from me (Especially those who either never served their country in uniform or are from a foreign country) or a ban if they persist. This was the best compromise and it satisfied people who are deeply offended by this film. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:Just to tell you something MPM, this movie offended me too. So did [[Platoon]] and [[Casualties of War]]. I'm going to Serve the United States when i start to live there. I completely understand the bullshit Oliver Stone and his buddy De Palma are spitting out. Like i said, they are bullshit. They are horrible movies even if they weren't hippie propaganda. I removed the disclaimer because we have various pro-hippie movies on this site. This movie, along with Platoon and Casualties of War is Fictional. They are Made up bullshit that the AMPAS and other retarded movie "academys" eat up. Besides, who the hell would think we support De Palma and his bullshit crusade pf filmmaking against the US Military? We are historians, gun nuts and conservatives. Anyone with a Brain knows we don't support this crap. Also, just because some people aren't from America, doesn't mean they don't know shit about the United States. A lot of times, people that weren't born in the United States, understand more about American than a lot of Americans themselves. Remember that.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Platoon wasn't so bad, mainly because Stone was there [and decorated for it, in fact] and couldn't bring himself to outright say the guys he'd fought alongside were evil. You want a really and truly, ''totally'' insane hippie propaganda, try any of Tom Laughlin's ''Billy Jack'' movies or any time someone was stupid enough to let Seagal near a director's chair. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::At least those are more pro-peace movies with Kung Fu moves and guns mixed in. Which is insane and totally hipocrital by the way and less Fuck the Troops anarchy bullshit.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Platoon wasn't as offensive since it was based in real life incidents that Stone himself witnessed, plus the overall film wasn't an indictment against the entire U.S. military. It also was filmed some 12-13 years after we pulled out so there was no risk of backlash or violence against OUR forces, something DePalma doesn't realize. Casualties of War was again based on a real life incident and it again was made YEARS after the end of the war. Redacted is NOT, though it is loosely based on an actual incident, but we are still involved in that conflict and it is ridiculously irresponsible to foment hatred and violence against our own people during time of war. These are technically NOT pro hippie movies, or at least guys who are WAY OLDER THAN YOU don't see them that way. This was exceptionally offensive and I HAVE served, not just 'intend to serve when I get old enough' so take it from me. There is a vehement animosity against this film. So speak your peace. I'm glad you intend to serve the U.S. But don't fuck with the disclaimer on this particular movie. MPM20008
:You are gonna pull the Age Call, man? Shit. And those movies are hippie bullshit. Code Pink and the Like parade those around like they are goddam masterpieces of truth. and journalism. I ain't gonna fuck with the disclaimer.
::Talk to me '''after''' you've pulled your DD-214. Your view of Redacted may have changed regarding it's potential to harm and offend. And some Nam Vets were offended back in the 1980s, but I know of NO Vets that are raging against those films (platoon, casualties of war) now. They're so 1980s. And yes, but Code Pink doesn't have a MOVIE on imfdb. :) MPM2008
:I hate Platoon and the like because they disperse misinformation. Especially in countries other than America. For Example, Here in Brazil, there are Two types of people that that know about the Vietnam War:

1. They don't know about, Don't know it happened or Doesn't care about.
2. Knows about it.

The ones that know about think shit went down in Vietnam Like in Platoon with War Crimes commited by the US all over the place. Think that '''ALL''' US troops were addicted to drugs. Most don't know shit about the South Vietnamise and the Other Foreign armys that fought in the War. If they don't think like that then they are like me, they understand what happened. They are mostly Teachers and historians but there are a few that are young like me that know about stuff.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:Yeah, but come on, every character in ''Platoon'' is a US soldier, good or bad. They don't all take drugs. They don't all commit war crimes. You can't blame Stone for what stupid people see in his movie. It's not like, say, ''Tigerland'' where the directors outright said the psychotic recruit was the "kind of guy the Army wanted" because he'd be good at killing. Because, you know, a psycho would be perfect for filling out after-action reports or standing in a guard box all day or any of the myriad other duties a soldier has that don't involve shooting everyone he doesn't like, friend or foe. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 20:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::That's a good argument there, Vangelis. Of course, my Platoon DVD doesn't have the DVD commentary so he may say that shit we see in the Movie was kinda of bullshit. Who knows. I still hate the movie because if i have to Listen to Adagio for Springs again, i'm blowning my fucking head off.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:::And incidentally on what you said about the ''Billy Jack'' movies earlier; in ''The Trial of Billy Jack'', Laughlin seriously suggested that the My Lai massacre was ''ordered by Washington''. Say what you like about Stone, at least he lives in approximately the same reality as the rest of us. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 20:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh....Seriously? I read the Plot of the second Billy Jack movie and i though it was like i said. Equality and Free Love mixed in with Kung Fu and Guns. Now that...that...i...i just don't know.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
::: http://jabootu.net/?p=647 is Ken Begg sitting through the whole thing. Among other things, Laughlin suggested that, plus that campus shootings during that era were officially endorsed and considered of entire national guard squads firing repeatedly at students, resulting in a scene so ridiculously manipulative it's hard to describe it with a straight face. They shoot a one armed boy. While he's clutching a bunny rabbit and trying to protect his burro. No, I did not make that up. They might as well have been shown to be commanded by Megatron and Skeletor. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 21:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's....That is....That is just '''INSANE'''. Holy Shit. Now Platoon seems Slightly better. Jesus. I'm sure De Palma and the Code Pink assholes would believe that shit.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I find it funny how you describe "Casualties of War" as "bullshit hippie propaganda" even though it only describes an incident comitted by US troops, told from a US war veteran. I mean, after all you can't deny that there were war crimes in Vietnam, at both sides; and I think one thing the United States is standing for is free speech and free criticizing--[[User:WhiteSlift|WhiteSlift]] 21:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

when i saw this film in on DVD in the shops i thought it looked like a good action film with guns and explosions like hurt locker. thought that without reading the back. i saw it on TV (on at like 1 in the morning on channel 30-something). i was shocked and couldnt beleive this could be made. the climax-ish part with salazar made me feel physicaly sick. it was horrible. see i liked platoon and it was made after the war had endded. this war is still going on and things like this do occour .--[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 21:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Why is this disclaimer here? Were people calling for this page to be deleted just because they don't like the movie? Who is this disclaimer aimed at? [[User:BurtReynoldsMoustache|BurtReynoldsMoustache]]

==Casualties of War, but set in Iraq==
Hah! Just watched this movie, and realized that it's pretty much Casualties of War but set in Iraq. You've got a normal group of generally un-homicidal soldiers except for a few who are basically Trombley from GK. Then a beloved comrade is killed in an ambush, they basically go homicidal rapist and hunt down the girl and her family as revenge. The big bad army tries to cover up the crime but in the end, justice is served! Yay!

Seriously now, it's way too political. DePalma does basically the exact same thing he did in Casualties of War; suggest that the war is responsible for these soldiers behavior. That's offensive bullshit. People who rape in the military are just like civilians who rape. It's not the army or an unjust war, it's just sickos who would have done it military or not. DePalma's just trying to insert his antiwar message and he shoves it down our throat. And you know what else is hilarious! That ending montage, one of the photos is from the movie. DePalma actually uses a photo from a fictional incident in his movie as "proof" of the heartlessness of the US military. How can he expect anyone to take him seriously after that? -- [[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 10:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

==Intro==

I noticed that this page doesn't have an intro ("<insert film> is a <insert year> film starring <actor>, <actor> and <actor>.") Why not just incorporate any objections into the intro? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:27, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:I have added an intro. [[User:Laqueesha|Laqueesha]] ([[User talk:Laqueesha|talk]]) 17:34, 5 December 2012 (EST)

== Page locked ==

I noticed that the Type 56 is under the "Kalashnikov variants". I would not call it a "variant", and I am pretty sure neither would Lieutenant General Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov. And since the page is locked, someone with access should move the AKM and the Type 56 apart. Thx. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 16:22, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:I locked it to keep from having to undo someone else's edits. It will be unlocked later. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:00, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== Correction needed ==
The laser module on the second pic of an M4 is a AN/PAQ-4 visible laser. It's too small to be a PEQ-2. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:23, 17 June 2011 (CDT)

== Challenger ==

Since this was filmed in Jordan, most likely it's a local ''al-Hussein'' rather than a British Chally. They're got about four hundred of them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:52, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

== Just a question... ==

I have never seen this movie, so I just have one question, why is this movie found to be so offensive? Also, Oliveria above stated that he found Platoon and Casualties of War to be offensive to him as well. Please don't dis on me, I've never seen any of these movies, I'm just curious to know why they are so offensive?--Gunner5

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==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::If people took a drink with all that, there would be a shit load of dead twelve year olds all across the world. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
I'm more inclined to think of the "Wolverines!" level as an homage rather than a rip off, because aside from the parachuting Russians falling on suburban America, it had little if anything at all else in common with the events of Red Dawn (can any of the locales in Red Dawn even be called "suburban"?). Now, if you were playing as high-school students with AKs and your objective was to flee into the mountains, then yes, I'd consider it a rip off. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I am also an editor on serveral video game wikias and i just can't stand when some asshole fucks up every weapons page on the site because they think they know what guns just because they play this stupid game. every time a bomb goes off in this game, American youth gets more assholish. Damn you Modern Warfare 2! - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

::Who's making the remake and where? I ask because that M1 Abrams doesn't look like an Abrams to me. 6 roadwheels, not 7, and the front of the hull...looks like an old british army cheiftain to me (which are readily avaliable since they were removed from active and then reserve service in '98 and '96 respectivily)

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZOMFG, I just realized that they have pretty much omitted Aardvark from the remake. No one has been announced as 'cast' for the role. LOL his character was totally unnecessary, kinda like Darryl.
:I wouldn't say that Darryl was unnecessary. He and his father represented collaborators, or at least people who are willing to put in the least effort to maintain some semblance of the status quo. His execution demonstrated how Jed and Robert had been hardened by the conflict and now saw the world in black and white. (The original script was more Lord of the Flies-esque.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:You know, if you checked the credits you would have answered your own question. That's what the actors's character is called in the final credit roll. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
*Excuse me, MPM. When I first saw the film on it's initial release my Peruvian friend said that Ron O'Neal had a very convincing Cuban accent and all things I've read written on the film mention his character was Cuban. Is it possible that in pre-production (hence the credits) the character was Nicaraugan but when Mr O'Neal took the role he transformed the role with Mr Milus' permission to a Cuban? To me one of the film's great strengths are his and former Russian linguist William Smith's professional and sympathetic performances in the enemy roles that give the film a lot more depth.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::You're excused [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ;) But I was talking about Judd Omen's character, not Ron O'Neal's. Judd Omen played The Nicaraguan Captain. Ron O'Neal played a Colonel, not a Captain, so it's obvious we were not talking about him. Ron O'Neil played Colonel Ernesto Bella who was indeed Cuban. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:32, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== A possible edition to the section on the T-72's ==

I was reading the Wikipedia article on the movie and apparently(according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article about the film) the mock up T-72's were so realistic that when someone saw them being taken from the company that made them to the studio during pre production the CIA sent agents to the studio to find out were they came from. That is an interesting tidbit that I think would be important enough to mention in the article. But I don't want to do it without permission or without a consensus of the people who have worked on this page.

:During the snow scene, there was a M1 Abrams engaging the two T-72s (and kept on missing the target until Col. Tanner marked the last tank with a smoke grenade). I doubt they would have access to a real Abram so this is obviously a mock up too. Any information on this vehicle?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:21, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spetsnaz or VDV? ==

From what I've read on Cold War era Spetsnaz, they were a very secretive branch that took great care to remain anonymous, such as wearing the uniforms of other branches (such as the VDV) in the field. In light of this, are Colonel Strelnikov's soldiers supposed to be Spetsnaz in VDV uniforms or real VDV? If the former, I can't see them announcing their presence like they did in the movie; on the other hand, Millius probably didn't have all that much info on them when the movie was made.
::They were technically just dressed as Soviet Airborne infantry. Though Everyone KNEW what Spetnaz was after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In addition, and if I remember correctly, Spetsnaz teams were part of "normal" Soviet era Airborne/SF units and were detached on an as needed basis. That way, in a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, way (a la the Combat Applications Group or DEVGRU) these otherwise "normal" troopers can carry on everyday duties without drawing any undue attention. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an 80's American Movie about Commies invading America. Since we didn't ask Ivan for some props or used uniforms, we just made what we thought Americans would think is a Soviet uniform of that era. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Milius did A LOT of research for this film. As I recall, at no time does Strelnikov's unit describe itself as Spetnaz. They wear the SAME uniform as the airborne troops as not to call attention to themselves. That is correct. I actually have uniforms from the production and I was thinking about posting detailed images of how the 'made up uniforms' differed from the real thing (which became available AFTER 1990). The film was released in 1984 but filming was in 1983. The DOD was really secretive about how much info they had on the Soviet Union. Anyway, I don't know if costume commentary is germane to the page so I left it out. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I know I'd be interested in the uniforms info MPM. It'd be great if you could take the time to post it here in the talk page so those interested could look at it. Random trivia like that is cool stuff.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Spetsnaz GRU has been and remains part of the airborne troops (but reports directly to the General Staff). Spetsnaz GRU, in most cases, there is a uniform of the airborne troops (blue beret). But there were exceptions.
My friend, who served in the GRU special forces in East Germany in the mid-1980's, most of the troops wore uniforms of chemical protection troops. It was for reasons of secrecy. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 08:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference image ==

This is an M8A1 Cargo Tractor.

[[Image:Us cargo carrier m8e2-003.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

This was the chassis used for the fake T-72 and ZSU. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:01, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

::Well I suppose that the guys at Veluzat don't know their vehicles now do they? In the DVD features, the guys explicitly state that they cut up an '''M48''' for the vehicles, but your image proves that the upper bogey wheels (4) match the RD vehicles better than the M48 (which has 5). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:36, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

:I wonder if the Abram that briefly showed up during the snow battle with the T-72 is based on the same chassis.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 01:57, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::From what I can gather, yes it is. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

==Spoilers==

I took the liberty to remove some spoilers that had nothing to do with the actual guns. Hope that's OK. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 06:11, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== Found this elsewhere ==

[[Image:I022118.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

40mm Bofors gun there. Anyone got the DVD to get a better quality cap in the right aspect ratio? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:57, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
:I can take a look. I don't suppose you know approximately when in the film is shows up, do you? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:20, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

== Fake AKS74 ==

I wonder why they weren't used in more films, they look a lot more convincing than a lot of the other fakes that were made, I mean they even have the right stock on them! --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:03, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

== Jed's rifle ==
(moved from main page) This rifle is not the previously stated Savage 110 as the bolt handle is in the wrong location for a Savage 110 action. Also note the lack of a bolt release catch on the right side of the receiver, a prominent feature of the 110 action. The bolt handle shape/location, and the shape of the bolt shroud are consistent with the Remington 700 action.

Patrick Swayze's rifle is currently listed as a Remington 700. I think it is a Ruger 77 carbine. Look for the scope bases integral to the receiver.--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] 22:25, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

Please help confirm ID: Ruger or Remington? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

I don't have an open source photo. The screen cap shows: Ruger 77 scope mounts integral to the receiver, the slightly dog-leg Ruger bolt handle, which is difficult to discern at this angle, and the short, light barrel and stock with forend tip that are distinctive features of the Ruger 77 Ultra Light Rifle..--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 23:52, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
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This is the Ruger 77 MKII rather than the earlier model which used a blued bolt and a tang safety.--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 20:50, 15 December 2012 (EST)
[[Image:Ruger_77_II_Hawkeye_Ultra_Light_R_fac.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ruger 77 Mk II Ultra Light]]

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|900px|]]

==Any ideas as to the original vehicle for the fake BTR-60s?==
[[File:FakeSovietArmoredVehicle.jpg]]
mpm

I believe the top of it is made for the movie, but the base is a truck chassis. It is supposedly one of a series of experimental US Army trucks in the late 50s and early 60s which were intended to replace the deuce and a half. This is the XM453E2 which was manufactured by Ford:
[[File:Xm453e2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
I think this could be the truck it is based on, or a relative. The spacing of the wheels looks about right, and the design of the hubs is a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

::Well Veluzat custom made ALL of the tops of the fake vehicles. But I think you may have NAILED IT regarding the base truck model. Good job. I'm discovering that Veluzat would almost always favor relatively common obsolete American made vehicles for all of their builds. Good Job Commando552. I visited the IMCDB site and had to laugh. Those guys actually think they used REAL BTR-60s ..... in the early 1980s! Yeah right. We couldn't get real Russian made firearms back then, much less any surplus vehicles. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 03:01, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
:::Is it just me, or does gap between the two sets of wheels appears to be wider in the fake BTR than with the truck? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:19, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
::::It's a pretty straightforward procedure to stretch out a vehicle, especially if you have the means to completely fabricate a metal body from scratch. The fact that the tyres and hubs look identical is enough for me.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:37, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

== Pistols ==

Just wanted to throw this out there, but during the scene when the Wolverines discover that Daryl was used by the Russians to locate their position, Erica has some kind of pistol in her hand. The pistol is also seen when they are executing surviving Spetsnaz troopers. It looks like a TT-33.--Gunner5
:Looks like it, but that's Toni. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:13, 16 December 2012 (EST)
[[File:RD84_TT33_01.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
Right, Toni. Sorry, got their names mixed up.--Gunner5

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== Gunner5 ==

== Guns I've Fired ==
[[Image:S&WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 w/ combat grips - .357 magnum]]

[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:2ndglock23.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 23 (2rd Generation) - .40 Smith & Wesson.]]

[[Image:Mosquito.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer Mosquito - .22LR]]

[[image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Garand]]

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Korean War Era M1 Carbine]]

[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR-15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm)]]

[[Image:Ruger10 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ruger 10/22 (Pre 2005 model) - .22 Long Rifle.]]

[[Image:Colt AR-15 Model SP1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:AR15earliervariant.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AR-15 Carbine. The one I fired had a 30 round magpul magazine, Micro T1 aimpoint scope, grip, flashlight,and a 16" barrel with a stepdown, and a Vltor EMOD stock. - 5.56x45mm.]]

== Favorite Movies/Shows ==
[[The Expendables]]

[[Walking Dead, The]]

[[Red (2010)]]

[[Inception]]

[[Saving Private Ryan]]

[[V for Vendetta]]

[[Reservoir Dogs]]

[[District 9]]

[[They Live]]

[[Alien]]

[[Aliens]]

[[City Heat]]

[[Live Free or Die Hard]]

[[Outlaw Josey Wales, The]]

[[War of the Worlds]]

[[Predator]]

[[Black Hawk Down]]

[[Outpost]]

[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]]

[[Red Dawn]]

[[A Bridge Too Far]]

[[Band of Brothers]]

[[Pacific, The]]

[[Reign of Fire]]

[[Tremors]]

[[Great Escape, The]]

[[Dirty Dozen, The]]

[[Raiders of the Lost Ark]]

[[Con Air]]

[[Patriot Games]]

[[Omega Man, The]]

[[Full Metal Jacket]]

[[The Thing]]

[[Downfall]]

[[Apocalypse Now]]

[[Heat]]

[[Expendables 2, The]]

[[28 Days Later...]]

[[28 Weeks Later]]

== Favorite Video Games ==
[[Mafia II]]

[[Homefront]]

[[Medal of Honor (2010)]]

[[Medal of Honor: Warfighter]]

[[Medal of Honor: Airborne]]

[[Medal of Honor: Rising Sun]]

[[Medal of Honor: Frontline]]

[[Call of Duty: World at War]]

[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]

[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]

[[Battlefield: 1943]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]

[[Battlefield 3]]

[[Blacksite: Area 51]]

== Pages I've Created ==
[[Last Man on Earth, The]]

Talk:MAS*H (TV Series)

2012-11-25T16:07:25Z

Gunner5: /* MP40? */ new section

==Complete?==

My first major contribution, I've had this page in my files waiting to be added here. It covers everything I remember seeing in the series during a runthrough, except for episodes using stock footage, which I hope to add later if I see anything new. I went for the best screencaps I could get and spent a lot of time researching to make sure I got as much detail correct as possible with a minimum of spoilers, though I'm sure there's more to add/correct. - [[User:IGemini|IGemini]] 04:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

==Colt Commander==
I know that one episode, which has Hawkeye aiding a wounded North Korean soldier, he is forced to help by the soldier's friend, who uses an unmistakable SKS rifle, which would be as accurate as a Mosin Nagant.

I wish I had images of the episode, but unfortunately, I do not.- [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 22:00, 27 July 2012 (EST)

:You're right, there's an SKS. I've had a new set of images and entries in planning including that one, still got a couple details to check. Might have them up this weekend. - [[User:IGemini|IGemini]] 23:30, 27 July 2012 (CDT)

The title escapes me right now but in the episode where Major Hulahan thinks she's pregnant an injured soldier is holding Major Winchester hostage with his sidearm. It's only for a brief moment but you can see the hammer is a skeletonized type. Does anyone know when these would've actually come out? [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]
:It's not skeletonized in the sense we think of in modern firearms, but that "notched" hammer is actually a feature of the earlier Star pistols--likely made in the 20s. It's used a couple other times in the first two seasons. - [[User:IGemini|IGemini]] 16:57, 28 July 2012 (CDT)

==Colt Single Action Army==
Are those really Colt Single Action Army revolvers? I'd say that it is more like that they are Ruger Blackhawks. --[[User:Wicket1138|Wicket1138]] ([[User talk:Wicket1138|talk]]) 01:25, 4 November 2012 (EDT)

== MP40? ==

I was just wondering, how historically accurate is it for a Korean soldier to be using an MP40? I've never seen any evidence of Koreans using one during the war.--Gunner5

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

2012-11-10T19:56:05Z

Gunner5: /* Pistols */

==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::If people took a drink with all that, there would be a shit load of dead twelve year olds all across the world. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
I'm more inclined to think of the "Wolverines!" level as an homage rather than a rip off, because aside from the parachuting Russians falling on suburban America, it had little if anything at all else in common with the events of Red Dawn (can any of the locales in Red Dawn even be called "suburban"?). Now, if you were playing as high-school students with AKs and your objective was to flee into the mountains, then yes, I'd consider it a rip off. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I am also an editor on serveral video game wikias and i just can't stand when some asshole fucks up every weapons page on the site because they think they know what guns just because they play this stupid game. every time a bomb goes off in this game, American youth gets more assholish. Damn you Modern Warfare 2! - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

::Who's making the remake and where? I ask because that M1 Abrams doesn't look like an Abrams to me. 6 roadwheels, not 7, and the front of the hull...looks like an old british army cheiftain to me (which are readily avaliable since they were removed from active and then reserve service in '98 and '96 respectivily)

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZOMFG, I just realized that they have pretty much omitted Aardvark from the remake. No one has been announced as 'cast' for the role. LOL his character was totally unnecessary, kinda like Darryl.
:I wouldn't say that Darryl was unnecessary. He and his father represented collaborators, or at least people who are willing to put in the least effort to maintain some semblance of the status quo. His execution demonstrated how Jed and Robert had been hardened by the conflict and now saw the world in black and white. (The original script was more Lord of the Flies-esque.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:You know, if you checked the credits you would have answered your own question. That's what the actors's character is called in the final credit roll. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
*Excuse me, MPM. When I first saw the film on it's initial release my Peruvian friend said that Ron O'Neal had a very convincing Cuban accent and all things I've read written on the film mention his character was Cuban. Is it possible that in pre-production (hence the credits) the character was Nicaraugan but when Mr O'Neal took the role he transformed the role with Mr Milus' permission to a Cuban? To me one of the film's great strengths are his and former Russian linguist William Smith's professional and sympathetic performances in the enemy roles that give the film a lot more depth.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::You're excused [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ;) But I was talking about Judd Omen's character, not Ron O'Neal's. Judd Omen played The Nicaraguan Captain. Ron O'Neal played a Colonel, not a Captain, so it's obvious we were not talking about him. Ron O'Neil played Colonel Ernesto Bella who was indeed Cuban. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:32, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== A possible edition to the section on the T-72's ==

I was reading the Wikipedia article on the movie and apparently(according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article about the film) the mock up T-72's were so realistic that when someone saw them being taken from the company that made them to the studio during pre production the CIA sent agents to the studio to find out were they came from. That is an interesting tidbit that I think would be important enough to mention in the article. But I don't want to do it without permission or without a consensus of the people who have worked on this page.

:During the snow scene, there was a M1 Abrams engaging the two T-72s (and kept on missing the target until Col. Tanner marked the last tank with a smoke grenade). I doubt they would have access to a real Abram so this is obviously a mock up too. Any information on this vehicle?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:21, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spetsnaz or VDV? ==

From what I've read on Cold War era Spetsnaz, they were a very secretive branch that took great care to remain anonymous, such as wearing the uniforms of other branches (such as the VDV) in the field. In light of this, are Colonel Strelnikov's soldiers supposed to be Spetsnaz in VDV uniforms or real VDV? If the former, I can't see them announcing their presence like they did in the movie; on the other hand, Millius probably didn't have all that much info on them when the movie was made.
::They were technically just dressed as Soviet Airborne infantry. Though Everyone KNEW what Spetnaz was after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In addition, and if I remember correctly, Spetsnaz teams were part of "normal" Soviet era Airborne/SF units and were detached on an as needed basis. That way, in a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, way (a la the Combat Applications Group or DEVGRU) these otherwise "normal" troopers can carry on everyday duties without drawing any undue attention. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an 80's American Movie about Commies invading America. Since we didn't ask Ivan for some props or used uniforms, we just made what we thought Americans would think is a Soviet uniform of that era. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Milius did A LOT of research for this film. As I recall, at no time does Strelnikov's unit describe itself as Spetnaz. They wear the SAME uniform as the airborne troops as not to call attention to themselves. That is correct. I actually have uniforms from the production and I was thinking about posting detailed images of how the 'made up uniforms' differed from the real thing (which became available AFTER 1990). The film was released in 1984 but filming was in 1983. The DOD was really secretive about how much info they had on the Soviet Union. Anyway, I don't know if costume commentary is germane to the page so I left it out. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I know I'd be interested in the uniforms info MPM. It'd be great if you could take the time to post it here in the talk page so those interested could look at it. Random trivia like that is cool stuff.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Spetsnaz GRU has been and remains part of the airborne troops (but reports directly to the General Staff). Spetsnaz GRU, in most cases, there is a uniform of the airborne troops (blue beret). But there were exceptions.
My friend, who served in the GRU special forces in East Germany in the mid-1980's, most of the troops wore uniforms of chemical protection troops. It was for reasons of secrecy. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 08:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference image ==

This is an M8A1 Cargo Tractor.

[[Image:Us cargo carrier m8e2-003.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

This was the chassis used for the fake T-72 and ZSU. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:01, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

::Well I suppose that the guys at Veluzat don't know their vehicles now do they? In the DVD features, the guys explicitly state that they cut up an '''M48''' for the vehicles, but your image proves that the upper bogey wheels (4) match the RD vehicles better than the M48 (which has 5). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:36, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

:I wonder if the Abram that briefly showed up during the snow battle with the T-72 is based on the same chassis.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 01:57, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::From what I can gather, yes it is. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

==Spoilers==

I took the liberty to remove some spoilers that had nothing to do with the actual guns. Hope that's OK. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 06:11, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== Found this elsewhere ==

[[Image:I022118.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

40mm Bofors gun there. Anyone got the DVD to get a better quality cap in the right aspect ratio? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:57, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
:I can take a look. I don't suppose you know approximately when in the film is shows up, do you? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:20, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

== Fake AKS74 ==

I wonder why they weren't used in more films, they look a lot more convincing than a lot of the other fakes that were made, I mean they even have the right stock on them! --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:03, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

== Jed's rifle ==

Patrick Swayze's rifle is currently listed as a Remington 700. I think it is a Ruger 77 carbine. Look for the scope bases integral to the receiver.--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] 22:25, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

Please help confirm ID: Ruger or Remington? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

I don't have an open source photo. The screen cap shows: Ruger 77 scope mounts integral to the receiver, the slightly dog-leg Ruger bolt handle, which is difficult to discern at this angle, and the short, light barrel and stock with forend tip that are distinctive features of the Ruger 77 Ultra Light Rifle..--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 23:52, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|900px|]]

==Any ideas as to the original vehicle for the fake BTR-60s?==
[[File:FakeSovietArmoredVehicle.jpg]]
mpm

I believe the top of it is made for the movie, but the base is a truck chassis. It is supposedly one of a series of experimental US Army trucks in the late 50s and early 60s which were intended to replace the deuce and a half. This is the XM453E2 which was manufactured by Ford:
[[File:Xm453e2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
I think this could be the truck it is based on, or a relative. The spacing of the wheels looks about right, and the design of the hubs is a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

::Well Veluzat custom made ALL of the tops of the fake vehicles. But I think you may have NAILED IT regarding the base truck model. Good job. I'm discovering that Veluzat would almost always favor relatively common obsolete American made vehicles for all of their builds. Good Job Commando552. I visited the IMCDB site and had to laugh. Those guys actually think they used REAL BTR-60s ..... in the early 1980s! Yeah right. We couldn't get real Russian made firearms back then, much less any surplus vehicles. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 03:01, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
:::Is it just me, or does gap between the two sets of wheels appears to be wider in the fake BTR than with the truck? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:19, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
::::It's a pretty straightforward procedure to stretch out a vehicle, especially if you have the means to completely fabricate a metal body from scratch. The fact that the tyres and hubs look identical is enough for me.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:37, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

== Pistols ==

Just wanted to throw this out there, but during the scene when the Wolverines discover that Daryl was used by the Russians to locate their position, Erica has some kind of pistol in her hand. The pistol is also seen when they are executing surviving Spetsnaz troopers. It looks like a TT-33.--Gunner5

Talk:Red Dawn (1984)

2012-11-08T22:19:16Z

Gunner5: /* Pistols */ new section

==Morris's Market Section==

Hi, after rediscovering this old gem of Swayze's (rest in peace, old sport), I thought the Morris's Market section could be expanded just a tad. While the lighting is indeed too dark to make out the guns on the rack in Morris's Market, the actor playing Robert Morris's father does in fact talk about the calibers of the guns he's handing out. I can just make out something along the lines of ".30-08, .38 Special, get that 12-Gauge!" and there is also a nice shot when one of the actors is stuffing box after box of ammunition into a bigger cardboard box. I don't have the DVD right now, but that particular shot would make for a nice screenshot to add to this entry--are those ammunition boxes from real-life companies in business at the time the movie was made? The only company name I can recognize is "Remington," though the boxes do in fact display their calibers, such as .22 LR, .38 Special, and a few are also marked .308 as well.

Also, Robert's father hands the group two shotguns just before they leave the shop--which of those ends up being Robert Morris's primary weapon through the rest of the film? I'd appreciate it if anyone could come up with the necessary screenshots and appropriate additions to this old classic's page. Can't wait to see if they pull the same "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers" joke in the remake of this film. Great work setting up and maintaining this wiki, guys!

I was going to mention the fact of Mr. Morris (Roy Jensen) mentioning calibers during the Morris Market scenes. He does call out ".38 Special, .308" as he's pushing boxes across the counter, when he tells the boys not load up on "cookies, candy and crap", just dry and canned goods, so I'm presuming that .308 Winchester is the caliber of Jed's Savage 110. Matt is seen opening the cylinder of a DA revolver he carries in the scenes just before the raid on the train station at the end of the movie, and then closing the cylinder (and, impressively, he closes the cylinder with his hand rather than the "dramatic" flicking it closed that is hard on the lockwork and returns the revolver to his holster). Presumably this then is a .38 Special caliber revolver, or a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special.

==Nice Work==
Great revamp MPM, the page looks much more completed now. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==Protected from anonymous edits==
I protected it from the same anonymous user who keeps making changes when I'm in the middle of a revamp, and his edits are a bit clumsy (like not bothering to realign images of guns from RIGHT to NONE, and sometimes putting the WRONG image in the gun section). Also there is a method to my madness, I am gearing up to put shots of Red Dawn mockup guns in place, so I don't want anonymous users endless making changes that I'm going to have to get rid of during the next revamp of the page. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are done with your revamp could you please unprotect the page so I can add more pictures,please. [[BOB]]
:You are a new user, you have no track record, we have no idea what you are going to put on this page, and it has been protected because of inane edits by anonymous and new users. If possible, can you propose what changes you want on the talk page? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have some pictures for the AKM and AKS-74.[[User:AK-74Fan]]
:And you missed a gun, MPM. One Cuban army officer uses an Makarov PM in the last battle. The one who gets hit by the RPG backblast.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think that was a Makarov. If I remember it looked closer to a PPK or SIG P230. [[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 21:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I've got a picture of that, along with 13 or 14 others I could add if the page were unprotected.[[User:AK-74Fan]] 11, October 2009 11:09 AM
::That is why the page is protected. To keep people from adding too many images against the wishes of the people who spent a great deal of time and effort to create the page. You may have seen pages with tons and tons of screencaps. Those are not mine and I have in the past argued strongly against it. But other people took the time to create those pages, so I won't edit them for the sake of length. IMFDB is starting to look like many states' legislative codes, everything is added and nothing is deleted. to the OP, build some awesome looking pages and I'll consider it. But we can no longer be so lenient on everyone, especially since so many new members do crap screencaps, or lame pages, or wrong info or just have no sense when it comes to making a decent looking page. Sorry that the sins of others affect everyone, but you will understand. On the pistol, Thanks for the heads up Oliviera. I will check it out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

==Funny==
Odd isn't it, Modern Warfare 2 also features Russian paratroopers taking over American cities. so I guess Red Dawn has finally made a name for itself, spawning a large plot point for one of the finest video games of all time. nice work Swayze. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
:You mean Call of Grenades: Action Movie Warfare 2? Yeah, that's a whole sale ripoff, dude. Did you not notice the "WOLVERINES" tag at the beginning of the level or something? Fun drinking game, take a drink every time they rip off a movie, reference Generation Kill, or say OSCAR MIKE, two drinks if it's an inappropriate use.-protoAuthor 03:45, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:::This is a TRULY great post... lol. Seems like every time I play MW2 or CoD4 I see another segment where they've ripped off Black Hawk Down, Generation Kill, or something similar. It's really tiresome after a while; there's plenty of original content to be had with this genre, why don't they just leave the war movies alone? Bah. [[Special:Contributions/70.197.109.68|70.197.109.68]] 05:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ahem, you're assuming the players are OLD enough to drink. We don't want to encourage underage drinking. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dude, you would be dead from alchohol poisoning 20 minutes into the game-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 04:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::If people took a drink with all that, there would be a shit load of dead twelve year olds all across the world. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
I'm more inclined to think of the "Wolverines!" level as an homage rather than a rip off, because aside from the parachuting Russians falling on suburban America, it had little if anything at all else in common with the events of Red Dawn (can any of the locales in Red Dawn even be called "suburban"?). Now, if you were playing as high-school students with AKs and your objective was to flee into the mountains, then yes, I'd consider it a rip off. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I am also an editor on serveral video game wikias and i just can't stand when some asshole fucks up every weapons page on the site because they think they know what guns just because they play this stupid game. every time a bomb goes off in this game, American youth gets more assholish. Damn you Modern Warfare 2! - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remake==
I am quite curious what the weapons load out will be for the remake they are shooting right now especially given the fact that eastern bloc weapons are now more readily available (including armour) than they were in the 1980's. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Go to the forum, we got a whole thread about it. And it's the Chinese instead of the Russians and they are using AK-101s or something like that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 00:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, some of the pictures at the forum do show pics of soldiers with Russian Federation shoulder patches. I still wish they could have he Chinese using [[Norinco QB rifle series|Norinco QB]]-series weapons instead of inaccurate [[AK-47|Kalashnikov]]-series weapons. As far as armor, I don't see why they couldn't mock up a T72 to resemble the Chinese Type 99 or Russian T90 since they're both based on the T72 platform. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 01:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually when I mentioned armour I referred to the fact that all the "Soviet" armour in the original were mockups built on old M48 Patton tank chasis (I believe). I remember a story I read that the replica T72 in the original was so authentic that some CIA agents allegedly questioned the movie makers as to where it came from.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, the CIA guys were questioning the crew about the gunships from the canyon scene. Anyway, http://www.reddawn2010.com/ is an unofficial fansite devoted to the remake. It's got lots of videos and pics of the production so far and they update at least once a week; there's plenty of opportunity to snuff out the equipment there.--[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 12:29, 2 December 2009

::Who's making the remake and where? I ask because that M1 Abrams doesn't look like an Abrams to me. 6 roadwheels, not 7, and the front of the hull...looks like an old british army cheiftain to me (which are readily avaliable since they were removed from active and then reserve service in '98 and '96 respectivily)

:Sorry to nitpick here but if you look at this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn it mentions the T-72 specifically. No mention of the Hinds. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 01:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

A remake? Remakes should never be done of classic movies (The Getaway, War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, Red River, The Alamo, King Kong just for starters) and Red Dawn is a classic. Looking at that website, I'm guessing this remake is going to suck. The Chinese invade Michigan huh? Well, filming in Detroit shouldn't even require building any sets, most of it looks like a war zone anyway.

==Aardvark==
As far as I recall Arturo "Aardvark" Mondragon is addressed by name one other time in the movie. When they boys are escaping town on the way to Morris' Market they pass by Aardvark's wounded father who frantically yells "Arturo" as his son speeds away to safety. After that his name is not mentioned again until his death on the T-72. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 02:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
::His father (played by Pepe Serna of [[The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension ]] and [[Silverado]] fame, yells the name and the audience has to figure out that it's Aardvark who is yelling "papa!" from the back of the truck. it's not clear from the FILM that Arturo and Aardvark are the same character. We only know it here, because it's listed here (and on Partisan Rock) which is seen only fleetingly. I saw it in the movie theatre three times. It still wasn't clear then. Then Lea Thompson yells "Aardvark!" when he dies. Again, confusing the audience, since this is the first time he is referred to by that name. Overall it was poor filmmaking/editing to make a major character so confusing. Also Darryl was another character whose identity had to be parsed by the audience over multiple viewings. And I was always getting Darryl confused with Danny (Brad Savage). The filmmakers had a bunch of young (and then pretty much unknown actors) all of whom were brunettes (with the possible exception of Jennifer Grey) and (with the exception of Matt and Jed) were poorly introduced to the audience. We didn't know WHO the hell these kids were by the end of the film, other than cannon fodder for Russian bullets. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

ZOMFG, I just realized that they have pretty much omitted Aardvark from the remake. No one has been announced as 'cast' for the role. LOL his character was totally unnecessary, kinda like Darryl.
:I wouldn't say that Darryl was unnecessary. He and his father represented collaborators, or at least people who are willing to put in the least effort to maintain some semblance of the status quo. His execution demonstrated how Jed and Robert had been hardened by the conflict and now saw the world in black and white. (The original script was more Lord of the Flies-esque.)--[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Nicaraguan Captain? ==
Are we sure the Captain is Nicaraguan? He seemed to work with the Officer that let's Matt and Jed live at the end. I thought he and the captain were Cuban.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
:You know, if you checked the credits you would have answered your own question. That's what the actors's character is called in the final credit roll. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
*Excuse me, MPM. When I first saw the film on it's initial release my Peruvian friend said that Ron O'Neal had a very convincing Cuban accent and all things I've read written on the film mention his character was Cuban. Is it possible that in pre-production (hence the credits) the character was Nicaraugan but when Mr O'Neal took the role he transformed the role with Mr Milus' permission to a Cuban? To me one of the film's great strengths are his and former Russian linguist William Smith's professional and sympathetic performances in the enemy roles that give the film a lot more depth.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] 22:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
::You're excused [[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ;) But I was talking about Judd Omen's character, not Ron O'Neal's. Judd Omen played The Nicaraguan Captain. Ron O'Neal played a Colonel, not a Captain, so it's obvious we were not talking about him. Ron O'Neil played Colonel Ernesto Bella who was indeed Cuban. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:32, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== A possible edition to the section on the T-72's ==

I was reading the Wikipedia article on the movie and apparently(according to a Soldier of Fortune Magazine article about the film) the mock up T-72's were so realistic that when someone saw them being taken from the company that made them to the studio during pre production the CIA sent agents to the studio to find out were they came from. That is an interesting tidbit that I think would be important enough to mention in the article. But I don't want to do it without permission or without a consensus of the people who have worked on this page.

:During the snow scene, there was a M1 Abrams engaging the two T-72s (and kept on missing the target until Col. Tanner marked the last tank with a smoke grenade). I doubt they would have access to a real Abram so this is obviously a mock up too. Any information on this vehicle?--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 18:21, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spetsnaz or VDV? ==

From what I've read on Cold War era Spetsnaz, they were a very secretive branch that took great care to remain anonymous, such as wearing the uniforms of other branches (such as the VDV) in the field. In light of this, are Colonel Strelnikov's soldiers supposed to be Spetsnaz in VDV uniforms or real VDV? If the former, I can't see them announcing their presence like they did in the movie; on the other hand, Millius probably didn't have all that much info on them when the movie was made.
::They were technically just dressed as Soviet Airborne infantry. Though Everyone KNEW what Spetnaz was after the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:::In addition, and if I remember correctly, Spetsnaz teams were part of "normal" Soviet era Airborne/SF units and were detached on an as needed basis. That way, in a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, way (a la the Combat Applications Group or DEVGRU) these otherwise "normal" troopers can carry on everyday duties without drawing any undue attention. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an 80's American Movie about Commies invading America. Since we didn't ask Ivan for some props or used uniforms, we just made what we thought Americans would think is a Soviet uniform of that era. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 02:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

:Milius did A LOT of research for this film. As I recall, at no time does Strelnikov's unit describe itself as Spetnaz. They wear the SAME uniform as the airborne troops as not to call attention to themselves. That is correct. I actually have uniforms from the production and I was thinking about posting detailed images of how the 'made up uniforms' differed from the real thing (which became available AFTER 1990). The film was released in 1984 but filming was in 1983. The DOD was really secretive about how much info they had on the Soviet Union. Anyway, I don't know if costume commentary is germane to the page so I left it out. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:11, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I know I'd be interested in the uniforms info MPM. It'd be great if you could take the time to post it here in the talk page so those interested could look at it. Random trivia like that is cool stuff.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Spetsnaz GRU has been and remains part of the airborne troops (but reports directly to the General Staff). Spetsnaz GRU, in most cases, there is a uniform of the airborne troops (blue beret). But there were exceptions.
My friend, who served in the GRU special forces in East Germany in the mid-1980's, most of the troops wore uniforms of chemical protection troops. It was for reasons of secrecy. [[User:Slow Rider|Slow Rider]] 08:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Reference image ==

This is an M8A1 Cargo Tractor.

[[Image:Us cargo carrier m8e2-003.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

This was the chassis used for the fake T-72 and ZSU. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:01, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

::Well I suppose that the guys at Veluzat don't know their vehicles now do they? In the DVD features, the guys explicitly state that they cut up an '''M48''' for the vehicles, but your image proves that the upper bogey wheels (4) match the RD vehicles better than the M48 (which has 5). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:36, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

:I wonder if the Abram that briefly showed up during the snow battle with the T-72 is based on the same chassis.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 01:57, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

::From what I can gather, yes it is. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:58, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

==Spoilers==

I took the liberty to remove some spoilers that had nothing to do with the actual guns. Hope that's OK. [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 06:11, 23 April 2012 (CDT)

== Found this elsewhere ==

[[Image:I022118.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

40mm Bofors gun there. Anyone got the DVD to get a better quality cap in the right aspect ratio? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:57, 28 May 2012 (CDT)
:I can take a look. I don't suppose you know approximately when in the film is shows up, do you? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:20, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

== Fake AKS74 ==

I wonder why they weren't used in more films, they look a lot more convincing than a lot of the other fakes that were made, I mean they even have the right stock on them! --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:03, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

== Jed's rifle ==

Patrick Swayze's rifle is currently listed as a Remington 700. I think it is a Ruger 77 carbine. Look for the scope bases integral to the receiver.--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] 22:25, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

Please help confirm ID: Ruger or Remington? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:23, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

I don't have an open source photo. The screen cap shows: Ruger 77 scope mounts integral to the receiver, the slightly dog-leg Ruger bolt handle, which is difficult to discern at this angle, and the short, light barrel and stock with forend tip that are distinctive features of the Ruger 77 Ultra Light Rifle..--[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 23:52, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:RedDawnMod70 02.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|900px|]]

==Any ideas as to the original vehicle for the fake BTR-60s?==
[[File:FakeSovietArmoredVehicle.jpg]]
mpm

I believe the top of it is made for the movie, but the base is a truck chassis. It is supposedly one of a series of experimental US Army trucks in the late 50s and early 60s which were intended to replace the deuce and a half. This is the XM453E2 which was manufactured by Ford:
[[File:Xm453e2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
I think this could be the truck it is based on, or a relative. The spacing of the wheels looks about right, and the design of the hubs is a match. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:47, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

::Well Veluzat custom made ALL of the tops of the fake vehicles. But I think you may have NAILED IT regarding the base truck model. Good job. I'm discovering that Veluzat would almost always favor relatively common obsolete American made vehicles for all of their builds. Good Job Commando552. I visited the IMCDB site and had to laugh. Those guys actually think they used REAL BTR-60s ..... in the early 1980s! Yeah right. We couldn't get real Russian made firearms back then, much less any surplus vehicles. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] ([[User talk:MoviePropMaster2008|talk]]) 03:01, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
:::Is it just me, or does gap between the two sets of wheels appears to be wider in the fake BTR than with the truck? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:19, 2 November 2012 (EDT)
::::It's a pretty straightforward procedure to stretch out a vehicle, especially if you have the means to completely fabricate a metal body from scratch. The fact that the tyres and hubs look identical is enough for me.--[[User:Leigh Burne|Leigh Burne]] ([[User talk:Leigh Burne|talk]]) 04:37, 2 November 2012 (EDT)

== Pistols ==

Just wanted to throw this out there, but during the scene when the Wolverines discover that Daryl was used by the Russians to locate their position, Erica has some kind of pistol in her hand. The pistol is also seen when they are executing surviving Spetsnaz troopers. it looks like a TT-33. Just throwing that out there.--Gunner5

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== LaRue OBR ==

I changed the M4 entry, but I don't have a picture of the OBR without LaRue watermaks. -- Spike785 2/25/2012 10:35PM

Yeah, I went ahead and removed the M4 picture. No point in having it there if it isn't the weapon being described. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:53, 25 February 2012 (CST)

I suppose I should have done that. Should I link the 7.62 OBR pic? Or buy one and upload some sexy pics of it? [[User:Spike785|Spike785]] 23:19, 25 February 2012

Its not an OBR like I originaly thought, its a PredatAR. The handguard is too thin to be an OBR's, and the way the handguard angles up toward the reciever gives it away. [[User:Spike785|Spike785]] 9:21, 26 February 2012

:It is an OBR 5.56, the top rail is raised up higher than on a PredatAR. The 5.56 OBR is pretty different to the 7.62 in terms of the handguard being more like the PredatAR one. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:04, 26 February 2012 (CST)

== MEU(SOC) Pistol? ==

Is that the M1911 variant in new game? The lower part of slide doesn't seem to end like one. It could be one of custom M1911s used by Delta Force. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:33, 8 March 2012 (CST)

I'm just happy there's a 1911, period. lol Hopefully it appears in the SP campaign, though. I've no interest in MP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:35, 8 March 2012 (CST)

the M1911 makes me happy as well but I'd also like to see another SIG in SP. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:20, 8 March 2012 (CST)

== Sniper Rifle in Trailer ==

[http://www.medalofhonor.com/blog/2012/03/shoot-win Shoot To Win | Medal of Honor]

It's one of the four: [http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-cs5.php CS5] / [http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-tac-300.php TAC-300] / [http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-tac-50.php TAC-50] / [http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?clicktype=rifles M1A] (McMillan customized)

And totally not M40 of any kind.

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:58, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Sweet, we get to play as Ryan McMillan. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:24, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

It's propbly the the TAC-300, the limited edition of the game come with a MP SEAL skin and the TAC-300 rifle early unlocks. - Wantabe_Warrior

== More details of the cover art! ==

[http://www.medalofhonor.com/blog/2012/03/worlds-finest-illumination-tools-and-tactical-products SureFire, LLC | Medal of Honor]

The [http://www.surefire.com/FA556-212-Suppressor FA556-212 Sound Suppressor], attached to the [http://www.surefire.com/mb556k-muzzle-brakeadapter.html MB556K Muzzle Brake / Suppressor Adapter];

The [http://www.surefire.com/m720v.html M720V RAID WeaponLight], attached to the left rail of the weapon, with its remote dual switch attached to the top rail of the weapon.

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:23, 31 March 2012 (CDT)

== Dual Sights! ==

[http://www.medalofhonor.com/blog/2012/04/brilliant-aiming-solutions Trijicon, Inc. | Medal of Honor]

''"We will also give the player the ability to deploy ACOG® weapon sights with a “piggy-back” Ruggedized Miniature Reflex or RMR® for close-quarter engagements without having to transition from the primary to a secondary weapon system. But just in case, if gamers want to forgo all magnification, they may also choose to outfit their weapon with the full sized Trijicon Reflex Sight."''

'''Another conclusion''': the weapon sight on the cover art turns out to be [http://www.militarywarfighter.com/Trijicon_TA01NSNRMR_p/trijicon-ta01nsn-rmr.htm TA01NSN-RMR] rather than [http://www.militarywarfighter.com/Trijicon_TA01NSNDOC_p/trijicon-ta01nsn-doc.htm TA01NSN-DOC].

'''Another speculation''': will the [http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RX01 RX01] / [http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=RX01NSN RX01NSN] reflex sight have correct amber dot reticle, like IRL, or incorrect red dot reticle, like in [[Battlefield 3|BF3]]? Place your bets.

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:46, 6 April 2012 (CDT)

== MP interview firearms ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-wWouKKQEM&feature=player_embedded

SASR armed with an AUG (I assume Austeyr) at 0:55 and a mortar of some sort at 1:08.[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]]
:Don't think it is an Austeyr as it is missing the bayonet lug on the barrel. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:01, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

== Steyr AUG ==

In a video report of the E3 2012 on the official website the AUG make a short apperance. It's actual game footage from the multiplayer contest at the LA expo and the rifle is shown used by the guys who won the contest. It appears with a tan camo and dual sight.
(sorry fot eh weak english)
:By the look of the camoflage on the arm (DPDU) it looks like its for the aussies, though thats a little erroneous seeing we have our own steyrs (F88SA2's as of current, see [http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=89682.0;attach=29950;image])

*Also odd is its inclusion as a SASR weapon when SASR (or any Aussie SOF) have not used the F88 platform for over a decade. Clearly its been included simply to get an AUG variant into the game... ~~YEPPOON~~

:They kind of have to to have a varied weapon selection between units, since the SASR uses the M4A1 as their regular issue weapon just like virtually every first-world SOF unit in existence. And those that don't use actual M4s (like the Brits and I believe the Norwegians) instead use C8s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 07:02, 22 August 2012 (CDT)

== SIG P-226, HK USP - Medal of Honor Warfighter Grudge Match ==

What looks like a SIG P-226 and a HK USP can be seen in this video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TORbW87qE]--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 01:10, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

Freddie's got a SIG P226. EDIT: Actually I think he uses a USP9 for the second match. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 10:18, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

Its not a USP. Its a HK45C with extended 10 round magazine. Same one Navy SEALs have been using for a few years. I'm sure the player just mistook it for a USP. [http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2009/Day3/DSC04917.JPG] --[[User:snake1|snake1]]

Yeah I was just about to say that, at one point in the video you can see HK45C written on the slide and HK45 on the grip. Here's the pic: [[Image:HK45CMOH.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The slide reads ''HK45C .45 Auto'' and ''HK45'' can be seen on the grip. The pistol also has a threaded barrel.]] --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 10:46, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

== New trailer weapons ==

From what I can see in the new fireteam trailer the Glock variant is an 18, there's a PKP Pecheneg, a SMAW, an AK5, an AKS-74U with a fixed stock or possibly a generic Krinkov (referred to as "Suchka" or "Little Bitch", a Kimber 1911, a Remington 870, an OBR 7.62, what I think is an MSR, the F88 AUG and an M79 grenade launcher. There's also an M86 PDM as seen in the killfeed on one of the shots. Here's a link to see if anyone can spot something I missed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUxxNv3NCB8&feature=channel&list=UL--[[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 07:28, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

You sure that's a Kimber? I watched the trailer a couple times and never got a really good look at the 1911. Maybe it's the one that Larry Vickers built for the game.
http://www.recoilweb.com/larry-vickers-demos-hk-mp7-7665.html
Either way, I'm glad we get to kick some ass using JMB's masterpiece in this one. [[User:ShootingLiberal|ShootingLiberal]] 13:43, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

Yeah, I think that's the right 1911. I think it's kind of ironic that after so many CoD fails with naming it the AK74U that we finally get what really could be called that (fixed stock in krinkov config)--[[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 16:06, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

:Maybe it's a stab at CoD by EA? Like, "hey guy, this is an ''actual'' "AK-74U", look and learn, amateurs!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:47, 22 August 2012 (CDT)

That's what I thought too, that's why I love DICE being so competitive after BF3 coming out and giving MW3 a kicking--[[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 07:23, 22 August 2012 (CDT)

== We need more images ==

I have edited this page to add some of the new weapons that have been shown in trailers over the past two months. However, someone needs to add images from the trailers to the page. Also, someone needs to analyze the promotional images that have come out and add whatever weapons appear in them to this page - because I can't do that, as I don't know enough about guns. [[User:Markunator|Markunator]] 10:29, 16 August 2012 (CDT)
:Or we can just wait for the game to come out in October and we can be absolutely certain about the guns and get real screenshots. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:56, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

== We need a freaking kit up screen! ==
I know, it's unlikely we'll get one, but I'm getting pretty tired of the "here's the weapon you get to use" approach that shooters take these days. Units like Delta and ST6 get their pick of the armory, so since we're playing these very guys, shouldn't we the players get the same luxury? I could understand making mission-essential accessories (suppressors, etc.) mandatory, but at least let us choose the weapon itself. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:04, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:Like in GR:FS. That would be great. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:26, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:Or like ''SOCOM III'' had back in 2006.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:59, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
:You forgot about SOCOM 4.--[[User:Commandoninja137|Commandoninja137]] 17:03, 17 August 2012 (CDT)
::Because I haven't played it. So I wouldn't know. =p [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:50, 18 August 2012 (CDT)

== Possible Kimber Warrior ==
[[File:Kimber Warrior MoH.jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

Found this on the MoH wiki. Sorry for the low resolution, it was a .PNG so I had to screencap and save it as a .JPG. They have it identified as a Kimber Warrior. I've compared it with the pics of the M45 we have here and the coloration at least is different from the one on this page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:15, 24 August 2012 (CDT)

Or it could be the special custom 1911 made for the game. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:18, 24 August 2012 (CDT)

: The barrel bushing on this 1911 looks to be either stainless or nickel plated, something that the Kimber Warrior does not have. Since the image is low resolution it is hard to determine what the exact model of 1911 is, but it could be the Vickers Tactical as already seen on the page. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 19:31, 24 August 2012 (CDT)

== Added Pics ==
I added a bunch of pics that were mostly from the second fireteam trailer, I thought the page seemed a little bare. Sorry about the quality, I was using the Screencapture function on an iPad to take these pics and then had to convert them to .JPGs. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:20, 24 August 2012 (CDT)

== Youtube Channel, HK121/MG4? ==

Noticed this on the Youtube channel background image. I can't tell if its a HK-121 or HK MG-4, anyone want to have a go at ID?--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 05:33, 3 September 2012 (CDT)[[File:GROM MoHW (MG4).JPG|thumb|none|600px]]

Sorry about the image size.--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 05:34, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

:Googling around that higher handguard is MG4. Though why you'd put a suppressor on an LMG I don't really know. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:05, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

::The same reasons you'd put one on any other firearm, to decrease muzzle flash and sonic report. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:07, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

:::Yeah, but wouldn't putting a thing that doesn't like protracted automatic fire on a thing that's designed for automatic fire be, you know, pointless? As in putting a bayonet on a crew served weapon pointless? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:48, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

::::Various militaries do use suppressed LMGs, but I don't think they are standard "rifle" suppressors. There are quite a few companies that make suppressors specifically designed for machine guns like the Minimi, but I believe they tend to provide less suppression as they are beefier on the inside to stand up to the abuse so they have fewer baffles to absorb the muzzle blast. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:38, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

:::::I'd heard clearing teams tend to use suppressed weapons so they can still communicate verbally without deafening each other every time they fire, is that what it's used for? I might just be tired but I really can't get the two things to fit together sensibly in my head. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:52, 3 September 2012 (CDT)

== Kinda off-topic ==

[[Image:MOHW870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 870 is seen in the killfeed, while the player uses a SIG-Sauer P226R.]]
Does this image mean there will be unlimited ammo for sidearms in MP (like in R6V2)?? And there would be no lame knifing? IMHO that would be great. Any other thoughts? [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 15:40, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

:In many of the multiplayer trailers for this game, players are shown killing each other with melee tomahawks, so I'm guessing there is going to be melee weapons. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 16:54, 17 September 2012 (EDT)

How are stealthy kills quote-unquote "lame" anyway? If you can't buddy up and pull security that's your own fault. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 17:01, 17 September 2012 (EDT)
::You knife somebody in the toe and he dies but you shoot him twice in the head with an AR and he is still fine. That is how most military shooters work. --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:01, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Plus the fact that you can whip the knife out and instantly kill someone in about half a second. Knives in FPS's would be more balanced and realistic if you had to draw them first, would also be good if the knifing was an animation that took a couple of seconds to actually kill the person, to prevent you from killing three guys in about a second before anyone can respond. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:35, 18 September 2012 (EDT)
::::Pretty sure you're only talking about COD, because BF3's knife is fine. You're unlikely to get a knife kill other than the stealth takedown. Which are awesome! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 16:23, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

== Pistol thing? ==

[[File:MoHW Glock Block.jpg|450px|thumb|none]]

What would be this odd looking addition to the back of the pistol? I might have foolishly categorized it as a Glock, dunno generation. The top simply looks confusing.
Pulled from one of the multiplayer trailers.
Edit: finally realized that could be a conversion part for full auto.
--[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 22:54, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Unknown Gun ==

Maybe an OTs-14-1A (but it has a weird front sight) or maybe an AKU-94 ?
[[File:MOHW WTF.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]
:It's an AKU-94 without the handguard fitted. This is a separate part so could be omitted, it just leaves you nowhere to hold it by with your other hand. I wouldn't be surprised if it has a handguard of some sort in the release version of the game, am guessing this is still developmental by the way he is holding it like a standard gun rather than a bullpup. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:15, 4 October 2012 (EDT)

==AUG reload==
I think how the player reloads the AUG is not really intentional ,but more of like a mistake such as the M16 reload in Soldier of Fortune:Payback--[[User:DJsputnik|DJsputnik]] ([[User talk:DJsputnik|talk]]) 22:44, 4 October 2012 (EDT)
:As the caption under the pictures says, the ammo used is Point Man's class ability, High Powered Ammunition. When activated, the player does a semi-flashy reload, tapping the mag on the gun, then inserting. This only applies for the special ammo. 
:Interesting though, reloading with (formerly called) Heavy Hitters puts 30 rounds in the gun, the chambered normal round invisibly ejected with a bolt cycle and added back to the normal pool. After using up all of the special ammo, a non-empty reload is done, putting 30 normal rounds in the gun without cycling the bolt. --[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 22:01, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

== All reloads ==

I've noticed since the Node (freddiew and Co.) MoHW video that the shooter/player character retains magazines on non-empty reloads. Very interesting. Didn't know how to add such a tidbit to the main page though. --[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 20:58, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Does "empty mag but round in chamber" count as non-empty like every other FPS that features multiple reload animations? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 08:03, 15 October 2012 (EDT)

:Have not had the time see enough footage or had the luck to see someone reload on 1 round capacity. Those reloads are most likely counted as non-empty. --[[User:Wahsahbi|Wahsahbi]] ([[User talk:Wahsahbi|talk]]) 22:13, 21 October 2012 (EDT)

:Since EA is doing both single-player and multi-player this year and MoH 2010's SP tracked +1 in the chamber (I still think DICE ''purposely'' did a half-assed job on the MP), I'm confident Warfighter will as well. I don't know about anyone else on this site, but I'll know for sure tomorrow when I get it at midnight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:55, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

I think I need to rephrase. Does "empty mag but round in chamber" get a separate reload animation from non-empty and empty? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 08:01, 22 October 2012 (EDT)

:One in the chamber is treated as a non-empty reload. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:39, 24 October 2012 (EDT)

== AKS-74U ==
Since it uses 7.62x39mm magazines and is, according to the page, even shown as chambered for that round, shouldn't we classify it for what it is---an AKMSU, not an AKS-74U? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:09, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

== TAC-50 ==
The Navy designation for it is Mk 15. Since we're going to be dealing with SEALs using it, would it be apt to refer to it by that designation? A similar standard is applied to the Milkor MGL, which is called by its military designation (M32) when it's shown as used by Marines. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 00:09, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

== Anyone else having accuracy issues with the sniper rifle in mission 2? ==
Is it ''supposed'' to be that inaccurate for some reason? I understand simulating the effects of wind and drop on the projectile, but I can still hit someone dead on with it and half the time they won't even flinch. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 10:23, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

No pun intended, the simulated bullet effect is a hit and miss. I really had to adapt to remember about bullet physics on the fly because I've been so accustomed to games where there is no bullet drop at extreme ranges. It's actually a bit refreshing. I wish the game told me that before hand so I could adjust. When I failed to cover the helo the first time, I was able to learn quick and the reload, I go everybody with one shot. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:33, 23 October 2012 (EDT)

Don't get me wrong, it ''is'' a refreshing and welcome change. It's just that there's no way to tell which way the wind is blowing at any one time and there's no set distance that the bullet veers off to. My first shot could be half an inch low and right, while my next one after adjusting could be two inches high and left, all with no warning or indication. Add to that the above-mentioned fact that I can strike a skinny dead on in the head and half the time he won't go down. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 16:01, 24 October 2012 (EDT)

== SCAR-H and PKM ==

Are the SCAR-H and PKM featured in single player? They do not appear on BattleLog as usable weapons in MP. I am thinking of moving the trailer-only weapons to the bottom of the page (as on the ''GR:FS'' page). - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:38, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

The SCAR-H does (and unbelievably it actually feels like a ''battle'' rifle this time around), but the PKM doesn't. The only enemy MG I've seen is the PKP. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 09:18, 26 October 2012 (EDT)
:Okay, I moved the PKM to the "Other" section and also removed the M40A3 - it was actually a TAC-300 (my bad). Unrelated to this: I think I saw a Little Bird firing its M134s during the sniping section of the Somalia level. I am not good with helicopters so I am gonna need confirmation on this one. ;) [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 17:33, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

::Actually it ''was'' an M40A3 in early release footage, the rifle in that scene was just replaced with a TAC-300 in the final game. If you compare the two scenes, you can see the stock of the rifle in the pre-release footage was much bulkier than that of the TAC-300 in addition to lacking a detachable box magazine like the TAC has. I'm gonna go ahead and add the M40 to the "Other Weapons" section as a possible cut weapon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:40, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== Remove M-45 MEU-SOC ==

Should it be removed from the page? I think it should, as it was only seen in one pre-release trailer as a placeholder, and appears no where else. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 13:30, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

I think it's okay to keep in the page, but place in under "Other Weapons" section, or maybe just move it here, to the "discussion". --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] ([[User talk:RaNgeR|talk]]) 13:50, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

Alright, moved it to bottom of page and noted that it no longer appears in-game. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2012 (EDT)

== Good game? ==

I know this has nothing to do with guns, but I just wanted to hear some opinions from people who've played it. I watched some gameplay and wondered "how the hell do critics give Black Ops an 8/10, but this a 4/10?!" Anybody think it's a good game?--Gunner5

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== Gunner5 ==

== Guns I've Fired ==
[[Image:S&WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 w/ combat grips - .357 magnum]]

[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:2ndglock23.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 23 (2rd Generation) - .40 Smith & Wesson.]]

[[Image:Mosquito.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer Mosquito - .22LR]]

[[image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Garand]]

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Korean War Era M1 Carbine]]

[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR-15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm)]]

[[Image:Ruger10 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ruger 10/22 (Pre 2005 model) - .22 Long Rifle.]]

[[Image:Colt AR-15 Model SP1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:AR15earliervariant.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AR-15 Carbine. The one I fired had a 30 round magpul magazine, Micro T1 aimpoint scope, grip, flashlight,and a 16" barrel with a stepdown, and a Vltor EMOD stock. - 5.56x45mm.]]

== Favorite Movies/Shows ==
[[The Expendables]]

[[Walking Dead, The]]

[[Red (2010)]]

[[Inception]]

[[Saving Private Ryan]]

[[V for Vendetta]]

[[Reservoir Dogs]]

[[District 9]]

[[They Live]]

[[Alien]]

[[Aliens]]

[[City Heat]]

[[Live Free or Die Hard]]

[[Outlaw Josey Wales, The]]

[[War of the Worlds]]

[[Predator]]

[[Black Hawk Down]]

[[Outpost]]

[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]]

[[Red Dawn]]

[[A Bridge Too Far]]

[[Band of Brothers]]

[[Pacific, The]]

[[Reign of Fire]]

[[Tremors]]

[[Great Escape, The]]

[[Dirty Dozen, The]]

[[Raiders of the Lost Ark]]

[[Con Air]]

[[Patriot Games]]

[[Omega Man, The]]

[[Full Metal Jacket]]

[[The Thing]]

[[Downfall]]

[[Apocalypse Now]]

[[Heat]]

[[Expendables 2, The]]

[[28 Days Later...]]

[[28 Weeks Later]]

== Favorite Video Games ==
[[Mafia II]]

[[Homefront]]

[[Medal of Honor (2010)]]

[[Medal of Honor: Airborne]]

[[Medal of Honor: Rising Sun]]

[[Medal of Honor: Frontline]]

[[Call of Duty: World at War]]

[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]

[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]

[[Battlefield: 1943]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]

[[Battlefield 3]]

[[Blacksite: Area 51]]

== Pages I've Created ==
[[Last Man on Earth, The]]

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== Gunner5 ==

== Me ==

I love guns. They are my favorite things in the world next to wolves and explosives. I have been studying guns since second grade. I can identify just about every gun.

== Guns I've Fired ==
[[Image:S&WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 w/ combat grips - .357 magnum]]

[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:Beretta92F EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:2ndglock23.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 23 (2rd Generation) - .40 Smith & Wesson.]]

[[Image:Mosquito.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer Mosquito - .22LR]]

[[image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1 Garand]]

[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Korean War Era M1 Carbine]]

[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR-15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm)]]

[[Image:Ruger10 22.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ruger 10/22 (Pre 2005 model) - .22 Long Rifle.]]

[[Image:Colt AR-15 Model SP1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:AR15earliervariant.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AR-15 Carbine. The one I fired had a 30 round magpul magazine, Micro T1 aimpoint scope, grip, flashlight,and a 16" barrel with a stepdown, and a Vltor EMOD stock. - 5.56x45mm.]]

== Favorite Movies/Shows ==
[[The Expendables]]

[[Walking Dead, The]]

[[Red (2010)]]

[[Inception]]

[[Saving Private Ryan]]

[[V for Vendetta]]

[[Reservoir Dogs]]

[[District 9]]

[[They Live]]

[[Alien]]

[[Aliens]]

[[City Heat]]

[[Live Free or Die Hard]]

[[Outlaw Josey Wales, The]]

[[War of the Worlds]]

[[Predator]]

[[Black Hawk Down]]

[[Outpost]]

[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)]]

[[Red Dawn]]

[[A Bridge Too Far]]

[[Band of Brothers]]

[[Pacific, The]]

[[Reign of Fire]]

[[Tremors]]

[[Great Escape, The]]

[[Dirty Dozen, The]]

[[Raiders of the Lost Ark]]

[[Con Air]]

[[Patriot Games]]

[[Omega Man, The]]

[[Full Metal Jacket]]

[[The Thing]]

[[Downfall]]

[[Apocalypse Now]]

[[Heat]]

[[Expendables 2, The]]

[[28 Days Later...]]

[[28 Weeks Later]]

== Favorite Video Games ==
[[Mafia II]]

[[Homefront]]

[[Medal of Honor (2010)]]

[[Medal of Honor: Airborne]]

[[Medal of Honor: Rising Sun]]

[[Medal of Honor: Frontline]]

[[Call of Duty: World at War]]

[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]]

[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]

[[Battlefield: 1943]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company]]

[[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]]

[[Battlefield 3]]

[[Blacksite: Area 51]]

== Pages I've Created ==
[[Last Man on Earth, The]]

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2012-09-26T20:02:08Z

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== Bradley Cooper: Fully Automatic ==
If you purchase the Unrated Extended Edition on I-tunes it comes with a very cool extra feature about Bradley Cooper really taking well to the M4, and to guns in general. Joe Carnahan is a shooter and gun owner himself, and he seems to really get a kick out of Cooper becoming a shooter. It has a ton of behind the scenes material with the guys training, and it also has an unseen sequence of Cooper reloading and firing the M4 that HEAT fans will enjoy.

== Hannibal 1911 hi res pic ==

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/The-A-Team-movie-image-9.jpg

I just watched the trailer. Is that tank an XM8 Buford? Wow.

:As a note, the M8 AGS was never called the Buford. It's believed to have actually been coined by Tom Clancy in his book ''Armored Cav: A Guided Tour of an Armored Cavalry Regiment'' and picked up on by others. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:49, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

A-Team -- B-movie?

''-Implying B-movie is a bad thing.''--[[User:AlkoTanko|AlkoTanko]] 15:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

No shit. I mean come on, the trailer shows one of the team shooting down an F-18 with a mounted machine gun on a tank, WHILE THE TANK IS FALLING OUT OF THE GODDAMNED SKY!!! Even kicking your transmission of disbelief into high gear won't help that.[[User:StrikerDelta|StrikerDelta]]
:Consider the source material. You've got four special forces guys who expend thousands of rounds of ammo and yet manage to not even wound, much less kill, anyone in five years, all while somehow evading arrest while riding around in a VERY distinctive vehicle driven by an even more distinctive driver. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 05:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Well dude if you pay attention to the shows audience, it was a helluva a lot of kids on a friday night, they didn't want it to be to violent, but you have to give them this, of there was a tire to be shot it was shot.
I think the original was more believable cause it was back in the day no satellites and databases no APB's so its probably hard to catch them if they go all around, nowadays the show wouldn't work just to unrealistic.
it looked like a drone not a fighter
Yeah its a drone still stupid

it aspost to be an over the top action movies

It's an MQ-1 Predator which is a UAV. Also the film is Fictitious. Made for peoples enjoyment to get away from the real world by watching something impossible done on film. what's the problem with that.
[[User:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

also lately in films and tv show they have been showing UAV to by mounted with machine guns when they can only by fitted with missiles and bombs.

REMOVED FROM MAIN PAGE (Regarding Hannibal's 1911):
:It was definitely a Para-Ordnance model .45, you can see it has a wider grip, his mags are double stacked, and the logo is on the right side of the slide. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::And Hannibal obviously uses two different guns as his sidearms; first one in the film's first half, when Hannibal and his Team are still working for the government, and the second during the latter half. Most noticeable is the diffrence between the front slide serrations: the first one has six, and the second one has only three. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::: The Special features on the Blu Ray give it as a "Para-Ordnance P14-45 Limited". Ten in the mag, one in the spout. .45 ACP, semi-auto. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

== M4A1 ==

Can anyone post some links or pictures of these rifles used in the Movie?
I am really loving those Olive Foregrips and Stock.

UPDATE: Could the M4A1 actually be this?
[[Image:M6A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LWRC M6A1, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
:no, this is too expensive. Also note their rifles have step-down on the barrels for nubtube fixation.

::Armorers tend to mostly use what they have in inventory already. They're not going to go out and buy all-new ARs (since all such rifles are so similar). It's more likely that these are just regular M4A1s that have been fitted with the olive furniture. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

::And the M203 is ''not'' a "noob tube"... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Right, someone's been playing too much MW2 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:24, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

The gun is in fact the LWRC M6A1.

: According to the Special features on the Blu Ray they are "Bushmaster XM15-E2S"--[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 18:55, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

About these M4s. I actually saw a picture of the A-Team running away from an explosion, in IMDB, okay and I saw Hannibal's M4 had an EOTech sight on it. And Face's M4 must have been the only one with the Red Dot Sight on it. I didn't want to post the actual picture, due to me fearing copyright, but is it alright if I provide just the link to that picture? [[User:Shoockeye7665|Shoockeye7665]] 12:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Why does it still say tan magpul furniture, looks FG to me. - skyrider

== Hannibal's sidearm ==

No doubt about it: Hannibal's 1911 is in fact a Para-ord. The slide serrations spell it all out on this one. 6 in back - offset under sights - with 3 in front. Looks like a P14 with front cocking serrations milled, or more likely an S14 with night sights. You even see the finish in the movie, and it almost looks like they've just sprayed over the stainless. Regardless, it's a Para. If not one specific, it could just be a mix-master hi-cap. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 23:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I recently saw a production still in a magazine of Hannibal and he had a shoulder holster on with what appeared to carry a 1911 variant possibly a Kimber Custom II.

Any chance at someone identifing the brand/type of shoulder holster that Hannibal uses? [[Spades of Columbia]]

Just saw the movie last night; Hannibal's 1911 is most certainly not a Kimber of any sort. Slide serrations are way off, so who knows. Almost looked like a custom slide from Caspian, but still wouldn't bet on it.

As for the leather shoulder rig, it looked a lot like a DeSantis.

To me the 1911 looks like a Para p-14 or some sort of variant, take a look at one of the promo pics where you can see it in the shoulder holster. Looks like a double-stack grip to me, but maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me.

:I just saw this movie, and I agree that it's not a Kimber Warrior (lacks the Picatinny rail). My guess is Colt XSE. It's also likely that it was a custom 1911 assembled by the movie's armorers; the slide could be Colt, frame could be something else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No it's defiantly a Kimber possibly a Custom some don't have rails. Confirmed by the films armorer the same guy who confirmed Face's Glock as a 17 standard finish.

::I need to see that evidence before you change it back (link please). And if it's not a Warrior, then don't put down that it is. It's better to say "Unknown 1911" if we don't know the exact model. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

:: If I can find it I will post the link but I watched as a special on Sleuth or FX I forget.

It seems that Hannible uses multiply 1911's through out the movie...but it looked as if the 1911 that Lynch said was Hannibles personal weapon that he attempted to frame hannible with at the end of the movie was a Nighthawk GRP or even the enforcer model. But pretty sure he didn't use the same 1911 the whole time. [[Spades of Columbia]]

::The gun was heavily ruined to make it look more used by a Veteran. When Hannibal pulled a gun on Baracus I had seen a large logo (that not seen a trademark) on the right side of the slide near the front grooves (Can anyone confirm?). It is possible that this logo is of the Rangers, as was done with the logo of SEAL TEAM 4 on the Augustus Gibbons Colt XSE in [[XXX 2: State of the Union#Colt XSE M1911|XXX 2]]. [[User: Charly Driver|Charly Driver]]

it could be a Nickel Plated Nighthawk FLX. these are fairly new guns, but as stated on the page. are double stacked.

[[Image:FLX 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nighthawk FLX - .45 ACP]]

I'd say thats probably a very accurate guess. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:12, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Good lookin piece but the front grip serrations are all kinds of diffrent.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 12:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

It can't be a double stack/para. In that last picture you see more than 3 serrations in the front and you can even imagine a single stack mag at the bottom. Also you can see in the grip/right above the trigger area that it is flat. Double stack guns have it widen for the wide magazine.
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/para1.jpg
look straight above the magazine catch
EDIT: Actually after rewatching, it is probably both and it is just switched throughout the movie- skyrider

Yeah, thats what i was saying. Hannible uses more then one 1911 in this movie.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 16:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I love Nighthawk 1911's - and I would like to see one in a movie - but his 1911 doesn't run a 2011 frame.--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 18:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

its a shame. ud think with games like MW2 or Medal of Honor that has Elite units ud think theyd have Multiple Nighthawk variants. Delta Force uses them thanks to larry Vickers.

would the guns firing pin be removed or replanted so easily?

It would be that easy if his gun is based on a series 70...but if his gun had a firing pin safety then no you couldn't do what he did as easy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 10:48, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

:Are there 1911's with firing pin safeties? :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:54, 4 November 2011 (CDT)
::Yes the Series 80 Colt's, Para, Kimber, a few others as well. Those without, Springfield for example use a titanium firing pin with a heavy spring to pass the drop test.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:07, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

I was wondering if we should seperate the obvious single stack 1911 thats seen briefly at the beginning of the movie? I notice that its noted to be a different gun, and i know its SUPPOSED to be standing in for the Para, but its obviously not, should we move it out from the Para entry or at the very least, note that its a stand in, not just say its the same gun but caption it different. -MissySummers-

== Not a lot of new guns ==

I am a bit disappointed that they didn't have a wide variety of weapons used int his movie [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

:I was a little more disappointed by the dialogue, the way in which the action scenes were directed, and the excessive cheese throughout. And I tend to think that kind of stuff matters a little more than the variety of weapons. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I saw a guy with an Uzi at the bank, and I'm sure the Sig 552 isn't. It has a ful rail on top.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

:I don't think it was a 556; the receiver didn't look like it (mostly around the magazine well). Also, they make continuous rails for the 552. I think it's more likely that they just took a 552, removed the stock, and gave it the upper rail, though I could be wrong. We'll see when the Blu Ray becomes available. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

:I thought it was a 552 the first time. After viewing again I'm pretty sure it was the 556 pistol, it seemed to be using STANAG magazines. And for posterity, I enjoyed the stupid dialog and oozing cheese. C'mon its the A Team its not gonna be oscar worthy, its gonna be guns, explosions, stupidity and deus ex machina. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 15:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:: The first thing that came to mind when I saw Pike carrying the "552" was (strangely enough) a KAC PDW or a Robinson XCR... though I admit I never paid that much attention to what he was using. :S (BTW, I also enjoyed it for it's over-the-top cheesiness. It's exactly what I was expecting out of an A-team movie.)*EDIT* just saw the movie again with my GF... when Pike first gets out of the car at the beginning of the scene I could clearly tell it was a Sig 552. No full-top rail, no forward vertical grip that I could see. Later the gun looks like it may have switched. This may be either an editing or continuity error.

It looks just like the Sig 556 pistol...[[Spades of Columbia]]

:Somebody added some new pictures:

:[[Image:A-TEAM_PIKE.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:That is definitely a SIG 552 with the stock removed. Handguards, magwell, sights, etc. are totally wrong for a 556. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

you are correct...the front gas adjustment is a 552 design and not even close the 556.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

stock hasnt been removed its just folded to the left side of the gun. handy little touch that makes it a more concealable package, i do think they change the doctor sight though. [[User:fenris357|fenris357]]

:Actually, the stock on all SIG 550-series rifles folds to the right, not the left. His gun is clearly missing the stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Mini 14 ==
Hannibal was firing full auto, wouldn't that make it an AC-556? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

He may have just been firing quickly, like they did in the original TV show.

In the picture we have, it looks like a Ruger Mini 14 stainless with a factory ruger folding stock. Look at the front sight. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

He was using a stainless semi-auto with the older front blade sight, and a factory folding stock. I didn't notice what I'd call full auto firing, just rapid fire semi-auto. I believe the pic on the main page is in fact an AC-556, and not representative of the one used in the film. The one in the film did NOT have the birdcage flash-hider or the mid-barrel mounted front sight. For reference, it was this gun: http://www.armco-guns.com/Mini%2014%20folder%20%202.JPG --[[User:Rugerlvr|Rugerlvr]] 00:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:If he was firing semi-auto, then he had an impossibly fast trigger finger. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The sound editing could have made it sound full auto. I'll need to watch the movie again [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

: I'm with Spartan, I'm pretty sure he was firing full-auto. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 19:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Its definatly still a semi, he fires fairly fast, but its about one round per bad guy and is definatly not full auto --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. I just watch the movie last night; it's definitely semi. -SasquatchJim

== Nice Little Things ==

There were a few small things in this movie that made me smile, things you don't see in most movies, like when Pike was in the car and they were gonna shoot him, and the CIA guys were failing with the Beretta, and one called it a silencer and he muttered something about it being a suppressor. And I also noticed for once the Armorer was in the credits, as "Armorer/Firearms", and for the most part all the fights and reloading and such were very good, there were only a couple little things that seemed a ''little'' off, but it was almost perfect :)

Pike may have been a traitorous fink, but at least he wasn't stupid. Why is the CIA always inept, despite being super-evil? They can listen to your phone conversations half a world away but ''still'' can't pull of their evil schemes. 2 things I didn't like about the embassy scene: One, the CIA just walks through security. I was so wishing a dozen marines with M16s would stop them, and 2: the extradition order. If Sosa was a bright as she usually was, she would have maid sure it wasn't a fake. I wouldn't put it past the oh-so-evil CIA to do that.

== Mk 19 ==

wasnt there one at the end of the film?

When? I remember an M2, but no Mk19.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 00:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

near the end, at the docks, where lynch is up on that crane. I could have sworn there was a Mk 19 sitting next to him.

== Frankfurt am Main skyscrapers ==

You can replace the "Koeniggs Bank" in the last section (where Baracus fires the M203 launcher) with "Königsbank". I am not sure if the "ö" causes problems with the code of this website, but you may give it a try. --Paul_Baeumer [[Special:Contributions/84.181.224.167|84.181.224.167]] 18:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pikes SIG ==

Im sure pike was using a 228 not a 226 as it looked compact and for some reason i couted off his rounds he fired before reloading. 13, same mag cap as the 228 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 18:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:Nope, it was a 226. I saw the squared trigger guard myself. I also own a 226 and know SIGs pretty well, so I am pretty confident about this. Also, counting the rounds fired is a bad way to figure out the type of gun used; we all know movies never show reloading, making it look like actors fire hundreds of rounds from 30-shot mags. Same principle applies here. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:49, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, I just streamed that scene and you are right its definatly too long to be a 228 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 18:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

What is on the rail of pikes Sig SG 552? it doesnt look like a sight.[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

== PX4 Compact ==

Is it just me, or does the Compact PX4 look HUGE in Jessica Biels' hands? I was looking at the [[Live Free or Die Hard]] page and it looks about the same size when it's in Bruce Willis' hands. Maybe he just has large hands.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 15:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:She's a woman. Of course she has smaller hands than Bruce Willis. I don't know very many women who have big hands. Every time I ever go to ranges, I notice that women there have trouble properly gripping most guns because their hands are so smaller than those of their boyfriends/husbands. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks bigger than the px4. But it might just be that it is Berettas Px4 Storm Sub-Compact pistol. It's not suppost to be released untill 2011 they may have put it in the movie to per-mote the guns release. Here is a link goths gun.
http://www.berettausa.com/products/px4-storm-type-f-sub-compact/

:While it's possible that Beretta may have provided Px4 Sub-Compacts as a promotional deal with the producers, the guns in the movie look to me like Compacts, not Sub-Compacts. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

::We need to get some continuity because the page text says compact, but the pictures are of the subcompact.

==Face==

Ok a few things Face. Firstly on the bagdad mission face is carrying two side arms, what looks like a walther p99 on the left of his chest and a second (possibly his glock) on his thigh. On a seperaate not did anyone else think it was odd that he only had 4 rounds in his glock at the showdown at the docks? (Which he uses to shoot free the cables). Even if you include the 2 shots at the frankfurt station that makes for 6 total, why would you not take at least a full mag? That said I thought he was very proficent at weapons handling. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

He's too busy chasing around Jessica Biel to worry about loading his gun.
:I find I can't fault him for that ;) Seriously though are you sure the slide locks back during the fight at the docks? I didn't notice myself, but is it possible the gun had a double feed, causing the slide to partially lock? If not it's probably just a goof, like they took multiple takes of that shot and didn't bother reloading the mag between takes.

It seems to be similar to in Shooter where there were only 4 rounds in the Beretta.

It was a Taurus, sign your posts.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake.
What do you mean, exactly? Like, put my name after it? 'Cause I'm not a member or anything.

Face has his Glock on his thigh holster in Bagdad. Im not 100% sure its a P99 on his vest, cant find a good picture of it and dont own the film yet, but it definately does look like one.

Is in fact a P99 on his vest. You get a good shot of it when they let B.A out of the container.

[[Image:Ateam-M4-prod-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Bradley Cooper]] as Face and [[Liam Neeson]] as Hannibal with M4A1 carbines in a production still. Glock in thigh holster. Possibly a P99 on left side of his vest.]]

Face still carries his Glock on his thigh in addition to the p99 on his vest in baghdad, whoever re did the page needs to re do the glock entry to represent this - Captain Snikt--[[Special:Contributions/86.148.97.195|86.148.97.195]] 01:37, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this really needs to be changed --[[Special:Contributions/86.150.213.139|86.150.213.139]] 01:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

== Remington 870 ==

Is that a Remington 870? I don't know if it just the angle of the pic but somehow the receiver looks a little different as does the mag tube. As a side note btw they actually do refer to the tank in the C-130 as a "Buford". --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 10:19, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

=Screencaps=
I have the Blu-Ray (which is already out here in Finland, and in several other European countries) and I did some screencapping. I will finish the page and tidy it up tomorrow. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 00:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::'''Since we are a U.S. Based site, DO NOT upload anything until after the December 2010 release date. I am SERIOUS. ''' We have no way of verifying pre-release in ANY OTHER COUNTRY. (for example)(and unfortunately for our Asian members) we don't trust ANY pre release titles from Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia or China. With Europe, again we have no way of verifying this. This MAY be released in Finland, But of course I wonder why a major motion picture would be released in FINLAND before the U.S.? Regardless, you cannot upload images prior to the official release date. Since we can only verify the Studio's official DVD release date, IMFDB will stick to that. Sorry. Just stating that it is released in your country, sadly, in the past, has meant nothing, and it offers no legal protection for us if the member is mistaken and the images are indeed from a BOOTLEG of some sort. Thanks for your cooperation. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== The Movie will be out on Video Dec.11,2010 ==

So please do not put up any screenshots that aren't from the trailers or clips.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Special Forces OD-A ==

Random note but in the description for this page it is said that 'The A-Team' is a Ranger team which isn't true. Yes they are all Ranger's but they are actually a U.S. Army Special Forces OD-A team. And no it's not because they are called 'The A-Team', it's because of the mission types they take on and the fact that when they are at trial you can see their Special Forces pin's along with the Special Forces Insignia on their arm's. They could possibly be 1st SFOD-D, but that would depend on what color their beret's are and since I'm colorblind I can't tell. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] 15:57, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Really doubt they are Delta. It's been a good while since I've seen the movie, but I don't recall seeing a red and black USASOC patch on their uniforms. Highly likely they are U.S. Army SF. And someone probably thought they were Rangers because they all had a Ranger tattoo. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 19:28, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

Anything's possible and I figured that was why someone labeled them as a Ranger team. [[User:Puppet.of.fate|Puppet.of.fate]] 15:04, 22 July 2012 (CDT)

== Pike's Sig sight ==

What kind of sight is on Pike's rifle. Is it even a real sight?--Gunner5

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T17:56:47Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand. There is also a video on youtube. Type Apocalypse Now--Arrival, skip to 4:18.

:That it? I suppose... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:14, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:ApocalypseNow_M1G_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

Yes, that is it. If you back up the scene maybe one or two seconds you can see it better.
:If I back it up, it's barely in the frame. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:25, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1kqFwVuQ-Hg#t=261s], right here. Pause at 4:21.
:::Am I allowed to re add it to the page?
::::I suppose. And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 12:46, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
:::::Sorry. I'm Trying to screencap a better view but for some reason my computer keeps acting up. Keeps pulling up things about copyright issues. No matter, if it's okay i'll just add this one until I can clear that up.--[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T17:41:07Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand. There is also a video on youtube. Type Apocalypse Now--Arrival, skip to 4:18.

:That it? I suppose... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:14, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:ApocalypseNow_M1G_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

Yes, that is it. If you back up the scene maybe one or two seconds you can see it better.
:If I back it up, it's barely in the frame. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:25, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1kqFwVuQ-Hg#t=261s], right here. Pause at 4:21.
:::Am I allowed to re add it to the page?

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T16:31:54Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand. There is also a video on youtube. Type Apocalypse Now--Arrival, skip to 4:18.

:That it? I suppose... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:14, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:ApocalypseNow_M1G_01.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

Yes, that is it. If you back up the scene maybe one or two seconds you can see it better.
:If I back it up, it's barely in the frame. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:25, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1kqFwVuQ-Hg#t=261s], right here. Pause at 4:21.

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T16:18:45Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand. There is also a video on youtube. Type Apocalypse Now--Arrival, skip to 4:18.

:That it? I suppose... --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:14, 5 August 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:ApocalypseNow_M1G_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Yes, that is it. If you back up the scene maybe one or two seconds you can see it better.

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T16:10:17Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand. There is also a video on youtube. Type Apocalypse Now--Arrival, skip to 4:18.

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Apocalypse Now

2012-08-05T16:04:17Z

Gunner5: /* M1 Garand */

== Apocalypse Now Trivia ==
1. [[Harvey Keitel]] was originally cast by Francis Ford Coppola to portray Capt. Willard, but was replaced by [[Martin Sheen]].

2. In the opening scene where a drunken Willard smashes a mirror in his hotel room, Martin Sheen had improvised the smashing and severly split open his thumb due to the fact that the glass was real. Despite Coppola wanted to cut, Sheen told the director that he wanted to keep filming.

3. The water buffalo that was slaughtered in the film was authentic as it was part of a tribal ritual that was witnessed by Coppola prior to filming the sequence.

4. [[Sam Bottoms]] admitted in ''Hearts of Darkness'' that he was on several drugs while filming.

5. [[Martin Sheen]] suffered a heart attack during filming and was unable to film for several weeks. Martin's brother, Joe Estevez, was hired to film pickup shots as principal photography continued until Sheen could return.

6. The original budget for the film was $16 million, but the final cost turned out to be about $32 Million.

7. In the documentary ''Hearts of Darkness'', Francis Ford Coppola was heard on tape saying he was seriously thinking of shooting himself.

8. Francis Ford Coppola lost more than 100 pounds during filming.

9. Marlon Brando was paid $1 million in advance for his role in the film. Brando eventually turned up on set extremely late, severely overweight (+100kg), and apparently had not read the script or the book "Heart of Darkness". After days of arguments over single lines of dialogue, an ad-lib style script was agreed upon, and this was shot according to Brando's stipulations that he appears in shadows.

10. The original version of the film was to be directed by George Lucas and was actually considered being shot in Vietnam during the war.

==bs==

I added the Ma Deuce as the Patrol boats carry two in the forward turret.
:Although I say this often, eventually I'll try to grab this cheap somewhere or rent it, I remember a lot of Vietnam era weaponry in heavy use. Good movie really, but a little more bizzare than your typical war flick. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: Aw, i want to screen cap this.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Predator20 is taking up the task under my guidance. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I won't have to touch up this page, won't I?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 23:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
::What is he doing? One gun at a time? -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:I'm doing one set of guns at a time. It's my first page I'm putting up by myself. The M16 will probably go last, too many to choose from. GM45, I'll do the text once all the images are loaded. Or you can write them as I load them.[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::Oh okay, I hadn't checked this yet. I'll wait until you're done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:My uncle Robert, who was a SEAL in 'Nam, said that this movie is as close as it gets to the real deal-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 19:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::I got my fair share of nitpicks when it comes to this movie. But the movie is great so I won't post it.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The caption for Colby (Scott Glenn) should be changed. It mentions him twice as Lt. but he was a Captain, as demonstrated by the captain's bars on his beret, and the narrative of Williard on the boat when he gets mail at the bridge.
:If he's mentioned as a Captain by Williard it should be changed. I was going by IMDb which list him as Lt.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
== The AK's ==

Those shots are the best ones I have. Are any of them any good to make a positive identification? [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:Done. You can tell by the front sights among other things that they are Norinco Type 56s. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:: How does the rest of the page look to you? - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
:::I'm happy with it, it looks professional and completed. After being bugged about it several times, I disciplined myself to limit 8 screencaps per gun, but the 10 you put in some sections doesn't really seem too cumbersome. Good work, your first page is complete! I'll make the Year of the Dragon page so you can get started on that. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Thanks, I really happy with the way it turned out. Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I think since the scenery changes on the M16 pics it makes it not so cumbersome. The only thing that bugs me is the M16 list, there are too many of the same actor. I got some shots of Lance ([[Sam Bottoms]]) and Chief ([[Albert Hall]]) with M16's but the shots weren't good enough for the page. So I'm going to go back and see if I can get some better ones. I'll take a few of Willard's out. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]~
::You missed the Original M16s though.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]], you're more than welcome to add any gun pics that need be to added or replace some of mine with better ones. Or you can tell me what scene has the original M16's and I'll see what I can do.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::The Hairy village scene. Kilgore mans a M16 in that one.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Oliveira, This is the only scene I got of Kilgore with an M16.-[[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
::That's definately an M16 (SP1), you can see it doesn't have a forward assist ("slab-side"), so this would obviously go under a different category than the M16A1. BTW, I changed the M16 pics and added and removed one image, since the shot of Willard in the jungle wasn't as good as the shot of Willard giving up his M16A1. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::: I added two images. There is never any good shots of him with it though.- [[User:Predator20|Predator20]]
::::I filled in the description and added an image to save you the trouble. The reason we call them M16 (SP1)'s is because they could either be military issue M16's fitted with A1 flashhiders or civilian issue AR-15 SP1's converted to full auto, depending on what the armorer had handy. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::::It looks like Kilgore's M16 has an SP1-style upper (no forward assist), but an A1 lower (there seems to be fencing around the magazine release). It's another Franken-gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::I missed that. I hate being sleep depraved. I'm just going to finish Se7en and get the hell to sleep. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::It's not necessarily a "Franken-gun." Late model M16s used by the USAF (and USN) did have A1-style full fence lowers. These are also known as "Colt 604s." - [[User:Rhurst1945|Rhurst1945]]

== MGC M16 ==
After watching the movie again, in the scene where the PBR gets attacked right after Lance pops out a purple haze, there is a close up of two MGC M16s.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think I know the scene you're talking about, they get shot up. Which makes sense to use replicas. I don't have a snap of them. I'll take one. I also found a better shot of Willard with his M16A1 when he meets the colonist, in my Apocalypse Now folder. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Mock-up machine gun ==
The fake DShK or an M2 machine gun doesn't look like DShK, but some mutant bastard child of the Maxim and Browning M1917 machine guns, but I'm not 100% sure. It is most likely made to look like a "general" machine gun, instead of an actual machine gun. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 22:58, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==M1 Garand==
I rewatched the ending of the Redux edition from when boat reaches Kurtz's compound, and I can't see an M1 Garand anywhere. I found three other unlisted guns, but no M1 Garand. Does anyone have any more detail? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:38, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

At one hour, forty-eight minutes, twenty-one seconds (1:48:21) into the film, look on the wall as Willard and the Photojournalist walk by, the shirtless man with the camo pants is holding an M1 garand.

==Unknown rifle==
One of Kurtz's men is armed with an unknown bolt-action rifle.
[[Image:AN_rifle_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Revolver==
Chef has a revolver tucked into his pants when the boat reaches Kurtz's compound. Do you think it's the Chief's revolver? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 19:47, 25 July 2012 (CDT)
[[Image:AN_revolver_01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

User:Gunner5

2012-07-26T22:42:33Z

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Apocalypse Now

2012-07-25T21:19:20Z

Gunner5:

[[Image:AN-Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Apocalypse Now'' (1979) ]]
[[Image:ApocalypseNow.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Apocalypse Now Redux (2001)'']]

''Apocalypse Now'' is the 1979 epic Vietnam War film directed by [[Francis Ford Coppola]]. The screenplay was co-written by Coppola and [[John Milius]] and was based on the Joseph Conrad novel ''Heart of Darkness''. The film stars [[Martin Sheen]] as a Special Forces officer sent on a mission downriver to terminate a rogue American colonel ([[Marlon Brando]]). Coppola encountered several production problems while making the film, much of which was documented in the acclaimed 1991 documentary ''Hearts of Darkness''. In 2001, Coppola would release an extended version of the film under the title ''Apocalypse Now Redux''.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Apocalypse Now'':'''

__TOC__ 

==M16A1==
[[M16_rifle_series#M16A1_Rifle|M16A1]] fitted with 30 round "curved" magazines are used by various characters throughout the film. While the 30 round magazine was not the norm for the M16 in Vietnam, it would technically be accurate (since the film takes place in 1969), but probably not as prevalent in the film.
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 with 30-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Capt. Benjamin Willard ([[Martin Sheen]]) and Gunner's Mate Tyrone 'Clean' Miller ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) with their M16A1's as a camera crew films.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-11.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Gunner's Mate Lance Johnson ([[Sam Bottoms]]) with his M16A1.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Clean ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) with his M16A1.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|One of the Air Cavalry soldiers sets the bullets in his magazine by tapping it against his helmet (note the crimp-nosed blank protruding from the magazine).]]
[[Image:AN 1220.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soldier (left) with an M16A1, soldier (right) with an M16 on a Huey.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-7.jpg|thumb|none|601px|'''Kilgore:''' Smell that? You smell that? '''Lance:''' What? '''Kilgore:''' Napalm, son! Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' dink body! The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill! Smelled like...victory!]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chief Phillips ([[Albert Hall]]) fires an M16A1.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-9.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jay 'Chef' Hicks ([[Frederic Forrest]]) armed with his M16A1, while speaking French to the colonist.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-15.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Capt. Willard with his M16A1 before surrendering it to the colonists.]]

==M16 (SP1)==
Col. Kilgore ([[Robert Duvall]]) is seen briefly holding an [[M16_rifle_series#M16_Rifle|M16 (SP1)]] rifle noted by its "slab-side" receiver after the battle at Vihn Din Drop. The gun notably has an A1-style lower receiver, as evident by the fencing around the magazine, meaning this is a "franken-gun". The use of the M16 is an error as the original M16 was never used by the US Army or any other branch of the US Military other than the Air Force. By the time the movie takes place (1969), all M16's that were being used by the entire US Military were already replaced by the M16A1 as seen above.
[[Image:M16-SP1-30Mag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16 (SP1) fitted with A1-style birdcage flash hider (to imitate M16A1) and 30-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:AN 1220.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Soldier on the right with an M16.]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-13.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kilgore talking to Lance about surfing while holding the M16 (SP1).]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-14.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kilgore looks over the battlefield while holding the M16 (SP1).]]

==MGC M16==
When the PBR boat is taking incoming tracer rounds, two [[MGC M16]] replica's are shot up.
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MGC M16 replica]]
[[Image:ApnowM16-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two MGC M16 replicas being shot up.]]

==M60 machine gun==
An [[M60 machine gun]] is seen carried by one of Col. Kilgore's ([[Robert Duvall]]) soldiers that rides in the helicopter with Chef and Clean. Clean ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) is the M60 gunner on the Navy PBR. Chef ([[Frederic Forrest]]) is seen firing the M60 briefly while taking incoming arrows from natives, but switches to the single mounted M2.
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier with an M60 before the battle at Vinh Din Drop.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The OH-6 gunner fires his M60 at the VC "sapper" after a grenade was thrown into a Huey.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gunner continues to pour fire down with his M60.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A clearer shot of the M60.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clean fires the M60 at the fisherman.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I'm good."'' Clean looks in horror at what he just did.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clean fires the M60 while taking incoming tracer rounds. As what was common in Vietnam, a "C-rat" can is attached to the machine gun in order to prevent the rounds from snagging.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Clean with the M60 while on patrol.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chef with the M60 before switching to the M2.]]

==M60D==
[[M60_machine_gun#M60D_Machine_Gun|M60D]] machine guns are mounted on Col. Kilgore's ([[Robert Duvall]]) choppers during the battle at Vinh Din Drop.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60D machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60D-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kilgore's doorgunner Jimmy (James Keane) prepares his M60D.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60D-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|As Kilgore's helicopter surveys the area, Jimmy (James Keane) is seen with an M60D.]]
[[Image:ApnowM60-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Another doorgunner lays down fire with an M60D.]]

==Browning M2HB==
[[Browning M2HB]]s are single and double hand mounted on the Navy PBR. Jay 'Chef' Hicks ([[Frederic Forrest]]) is the rear gunner with the single mounted M2HB (nicknamed after the band "Canned Heat"). Lance Johnson ([[Sam Bottoms]]) is the front gunner with double hand mounted M2's. While traveling on the river through the Do Lung Bridge two soldiers are seen firing an M2 trying to kill a single VC under all the dead VC bodies.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on pintle mount - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chef fires "Canned Heat" while taking incoming tracer rounds. Note Kilgore's surfboard.]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closer shot of Chef firing "Canned Heat".]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lance with the double mounted M2HB's.]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lance shows us his war face.]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Where'd the dog go?"'']]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Trench soldiers firing an M2HB.]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Trench soldiers fire an M2HB in an attempt to kill a single VC hiding under dead bodies. Unable to do so, they get the "Roach".]]
[[Image:ApnowBrownM2-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chef fires "Canned Heat" while taking arrows from the natives.]]

==M1911A1==
An [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] is seen on the nightstand of the Saigon hotel bedroom of Capt. Benjamin Willard ([[Martin Sheen]]). Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore ([[Robert Duvall]]) is seen carrying one with pearl grips that have a Air Cavalry symbol imprinted as his sidearm throughout the movie. In a deleted scene, Col. Walter E. Kurtz ([[Marlon Brando]]) aims Willard's 1911 at him when he's caged.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|450px|WWII era Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Apocnow1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|During the film's opening, the camera pans on Willard's M1911A1 resting on the bed.]]
[[Image:Apocnow1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|His M1911A1 rests next to Willard on the nightstand.]]
[[Image:Apocnow1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Lieutenant Colonel Kilgore of the 1st Cavalry Division carries an M1911A1 with pearl grips in his holster. Note the Cavalry symbols on the grips.]]
[[Image:Apocnow1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Captain Willard ([[Martin Sheen]]) finishes off a gravely wounded Vietnamese civilian with his M1911A1 after Chief's men accidentally open fire on them.]]

==M79 grenade launcher==
An [[M79 grenade launcher]] is used by The Roach ([[Herb Rice]]) to kill an NVA soldier hiding in the barbed wire during the scene at the Do Lung bridge. Roach had customized his with a tiger-stripe paint job.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:ApnowM79-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"He's Close Man.. Real Close."'' Roach tips open his M79 grenade launcher. Note tiger-stripe paint scheme.]]
[[Image:ApnowM79-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roach loads a 40mm HE round into his M79 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:ApnowM79-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Roach fires his M79 grenade launcher. Note how in this scene he wraps the sling around his arm, a well known technique to steady aim.]]

==GE M134 Minigun==
A [[GE M134 Minigun]] is seen door-mounted on one of the UH-1 Huey choppers during the famous raid scene. Being that the movie was filmed in the Philippines, they also supplied the helicopters which were outfitted with real guns. Since the weapons require no blank adaption to fire, all they needed was lots of blank ammunition to get the guns running.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:ApnowG134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A door-mounted GE M134 Minigun protruding from the Huey UH-1 helicopter.]]
[[Image:ApnowG134-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The door gunner unleashes the GE M134 Minigun on the NVA.]]

==Fake DShK heavy machine gun (mock up)==
NVA fire at the Huey helicopters with a [[DShK heavy machine gun]], in reality a mocked up [[Browning M2HB]] machine gun.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DShKM heavy machine gun - 12.7x109mm.]]
[[Image:ApnowZU23-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|NVA fire a mocked up DShK heavy machine gun in the AA position.]]
[[Image:ApnowZU23-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A farther shot of the mock DShK.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
Chief Phillips ([[Albert Hall]]) draws his [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] with a 3" barrel while the fisherman's boat is being searched.
[[Image:SW103inch.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 10 with 3" barrel - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:ApnowS&W19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chief Phillips draws his Smith & Wesson Model 10.]]
[[Image:ApnowSW10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chief Phillips with his Smith & Wesson Model 10.]]

==Norinco Type 56==
NVA are seen using [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]] assault rifles throughout the film, and they are also seen in the hands of Kurtz's men. It is noteworthy that this film was released in 1979 and took nearly three years to complete (thus photography started in 1976). During the 1970s, the Norinco Type 56 were not being imported into the U.S., and none were in U.S. Armorer inventories. The only reason Coppola's film had them was because they were supplied by Filipino armorers in Luzon.
[[Image:ChineseType56.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 with folding "Pig Sticker" bayonet - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:ApnowAK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Norinco Type 56 lying next to a dead VC, while Kilgore hands out death cards.]]
[[Image:ApnowAK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|VC firing Norinco Type 56's during the battle at Vinh Din Drop.]]
[[Image:ApnowAK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|French Colonists armed with Norinco Type 56's.]]
[[Image:ApnowAK-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Kurtz's men armed with a Norinco Type 56. Note the jungle taped magazines.]]

==M1 Garand==
One of Kurtz's "children" is briefly seen holding an M1 Garand while watching Willard.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1917 sling - .30-06]]

==Ithaca 37==
Capt. Colby ([[Scott Glenn]]) carries an [[Ithaca 37]] fitted with a heat shield and bayonet lug. In a deleted scene, he uses it to kill the photojournalist ([[Dennis Hopper]]) for taking Kurtz's picture only for Willard to throw his knife hitting him in the gut, killing him.
[[Image:IthacaBayo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 Trench Gun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:ApnowWIN12-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Far shot of Capt. Colby with his Ithaca 37 and Kurtz's "children."]]
[[Image:ApnowWIN12-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up shot of the Ithaca 37. Note the scalp.]]

==M1 Carbine==
In "Apocalypse Now Redux", most of the colonists are armed with [[M1 Carbine]]s.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Korean War Era [[M1 Carbine|M1 Carbine]], with Birch Stock, Adjustable sight, bayonet lug, and twin magazine pouch. Most of the World War II variations of the M1 Carbine were sent back to the Military Arsenals and retrofitted with the Bayonet Lug and adjustable rear sight. This is the version seen after late 1945 and all the way until the 1960s. This version is seen most often in World War II movies, despite being anachronistic for most World War II battles]]
[[Image:ApnowM1carb-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|French Colonists with their M1 Carbines.]]
[[Image:ApnowM1carb-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Distant shot of the Colonist with their M1 Carbines.]]

==MAT-49==
In "Apocalypse Now Redux", a French Colonist is seen armed with a [[MAT-49]] submachine gun.
[[Image:MAT-49.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAT-49 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:ApnowMAT49-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Colonist armed with a MAT-49.]]

==Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2==
A [[Browning Automatic Rifle|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2]] is seen resting on the shoulders of one of the French Colonists in "Apocalypse Now Redux".
[[Image:BAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Automatic Rifle M1918A2 - .30-06.]]
[[Image:ApnowB.A.R.-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A French Colonist with an M1918A2 BAR rested on his shoulders.]]

==M3 Aerial Rocket Artillery==
M3 Aerial Rocket Artillery (ARA) launchers are mounted on the sides of the UH-1 Hueys in the film.
[[Image:ApnowM3rock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier pats an ARA launcher.]]
[[Image:ApnowM3rock-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The right side rockets fire.]]
[[Image:ApnowM3rock-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Simultaneously, the left side fires.]]

==M-6E3 Weapons System==
Mounted on the UH-1 Huey helicopters are [[M60 machine gun|M-6E3 Weapon Systems]], which are dual automated [[M60 machine gun#M60C Machine Gun|M60C machine gun]]s controlled by the pilot.
[[Image:ApnowM3rock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M-6E3 Weapons System mounted on a UH-1 Huey.]]

==Pontiac M39==

During the raid scene, Kilgore calls in an airstrike which is conducted by Air Force F-5A & F-5B Freedom Fighters, complete with [[Pontiac M39]] cannons, though the fighters do not fire their guns during the attack.

[[Image:M39Cannon.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pontiac M39 20mm]]

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Mafia II

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[[Image:Gun 1920x1200 - Copy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Mafia II'' (2010)]]

''Mafia II'' is an open-world action-adventure video game, the sequel of ''[[Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven]]''. It was developed by 2K Czech and published by 2K Games in 2010 for the PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

'''The following firearms make an appearance in the video game ''Mafia II'':'''

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=Handguns=

== Colt M1911A1 ==
The [[Colt M1911A1]] is the standard pistol throughout the game. This weapon is seen being used by Vito, Joe and Henry in the game. The M1911A1 is Vito's favorite gun. 
In Chapter 10 Joe and Vito use a special custom version with a 23 round magazine. Joe tells Vito not to lose it because there are only two in the world, yet it can be bought at Giuseppe's. This version also appears to be nickel-plated. Appears as "1911 Semi" in game. Most "Made Men," including Joe carry the weapon in the back of their pants. Vito seems to prefer a shoulder rig, based on how he draws the weapon in cutscences.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:689394046.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The M1911A1 in the gun shop.]]
[[Image:M1911mafia2v2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Vito holding the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:M1911mafia2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Vito aims the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:Mafia colt 32.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Joe loading the extended magazine into his M1911A1. Notice the trigger discipline, which is nigh unheard of in video games.]]

== Colt Detective Special ==
The [[Colt Detective Special]] is modeled after the 3rd gen model and appears as the ".38 Revolver". Main sidearm of the Empire City Police Department.
[[Image:Colt-Detective-Special-Final-Gen.jpg|thumb|none|320px|Colt Detective Special Nickel 3rd Gen - .38 Special]]
[[File:Mafia2colt38store.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The .38 revolver in the gun shop]]
[[Image:Mafia-ii colt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Officers arrest Vito with their Colt Detective Specials drawn.]]
[[Image:Mafiacds.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The fat man's Colt.]]

== Mauser C96 ==
The [[Mauser C96]] can be seen being used by an Italian soldier in the training mission. Can be bought at Harry's gun shop. It incorrectly uses .45 ACP rounds (only the Chinese Shansi Type 17 variant uses .45 ACP rounds) and is shown to be reloaded by inserting a vertical box magazine into the weapon from the underside of the magazine housing. Some early Mauser C96 prototypes had a box magazine feature but they were rejected; the only C96 variants to commonly use a detachable magazine were select-fire models like the M712 Schnellfeuer, though there are some modern aftermarket kits to convert standard C96s to accept magazines.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:C96mafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The C96 in the game.]]
[[Image:C96mafia2zoom.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito aims the C96.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 27 ==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 27]] appears as the "Magnum" and takes .357 rounds. Oddly it's modeled with a full-length lug under the barrel.
[[Image:S&WModel28.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 27 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Dirty Harry2.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Vito with the "Revolver".]]
[[Image:Smithawasonmafia2.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Vito aims the Model 27.]]
[[Image:MafiaIImagnum.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito fires his Model 27.]]

=Submachine Guns=

== Thompson M1A1 ==
The preferred submachine gun of the police officers in the game is the [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1A1 Thompson|Thompson M1A1]]. It is commonly seen with a 30-round box magazine. The fact that the Empire Police use this weapon during the 1940s section of the game is highly unlikely as this weapon was being issued to US troops fighting overseas.
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Mafia-ii-m1a1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing an M1A1.]]
[[Image:Mafia-ii-m1a12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing an M1A1 while Joe fires an M1928.]]

== Thompson M1928 ==
The [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|Thompson M1928]] is the main submachine gun of the gangsters. The Thompson M1928 is seen with a 50-round drum magazine. When Henry is shot in the leg, Joe uses a Thompson M1928 to kill the man with Vito. The M1928 Thompson in game is modeled with an M1/M1A1 Thompson stock and is incorrectly shown firing from a closed bolt.
[[Image:M1928.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M1928 "Tommy Gun" - .45 ACP with 50-round drum magazine, made famous through countless classic gangster movies]]
[[Image:Thompson1928mafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito with an M1928 "Tommy Gun".]]
[[Image:Thompson1928mafia2v2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito aims his M1928.]]

== Beretta Model 38A ==
The [[Beretta Model 38|Beretta Model 38A]] is used by Italian soldiers in the training mission, and can be later bought at Harry's gun shop later in the game. Called ".38 SMG" in the game. It is also the only SMG to be to fired from the shoulder.
[[Image:Beretta Model 38A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Beretta Model 38A - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Beretamafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Beretta Model 38A as seen in the game.]]
[[Image:Beretamafia2v2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Vito aims his Beretta Model 38.]]

== MP40 ==
The [[MP40]] is often used by enemy gangsters, and is more common than the Grease Gun. It has a surprisingly slow rate of fire and can be bought at Harry's. Bar owners on one side of town will use the MP40 if the player pulls a weapon in their bar.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Mp40mafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The MP40 in Vito's hands.]]
[[Image:Mp40mafia2v2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing the MP40.]]

== M3 Grease Gun ==
The [[M3 Grease Gun]] is sometimes used by enemy gangsters but mostly by, fittingly, the Greaser gang. Can also be bought at Harry's gun shop.
[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M3 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Mafia GG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito with the M3 "Grease Gun".]]
[[Image:Greasegunmafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The M3 Grease Gun in Vito's hands.]]
[[Image:Greasegunmafia2v2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito aims the "Grease Gun".]]
[[Image:MII_Grease_Gun.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Vito fires his Grease Gun.]]

=Rifles=

==M1 Garand==
Used by Vito during the training mission. Although the [[M1 Garand]] is an army rifle, it can be bought at civilian gun shops. The M1 Garand is also show to be carried by Prison Guards during the 1940s, this is also unlikely as it was being used overseas by US troops. Male burger restaurant owners will pull out an M1 Garand if Vito pulls out a firearm in their store.
[[Image:M1_Garand.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M1 Garand semiautomatic Rifle with leather M1907 sling - .30-06 Springfield]]
[[Image:M1garandmafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito with the M1 Garand.]]
[[Image:M1garandmafia2v2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito aiming the M1 Garand.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==
The [[Karabiner 98k]] is used during the training mission, but can also be bought at Harry's gun shop.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Karabiner 98k - German manufacture 1937 date - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Mkar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The barrel of Vito's Karabiner 98k and a very unlucky gun store owner.]]
[[Image:Kar96mafia2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito with the Kar98k.]]
[[Image:Kar96mafia2v2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito aims the Kar98k.]]

=Machine Guns=

== MG42 ==
An [[MG42]] machine gun is used by Vito in Mission 4 "The Buzzsaw", where he uses it to ambush a convoy of gangsters. Can also be used in the training mission.
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|550px|MG42 Light Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:09 x (2).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito holding the MG42.]]
[[Image:Mafia mg42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harry holding the MG42.]]
[[Image:Mafia-ii-2mg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing the MG42.]]
[[Image:Mafia-ii-20100615040846566 640w.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing the MG42.]]

== M2 Aircraft ==
A browning M2 Aircraft is seen on a Sherman tank in the first level, but is never used.
[[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Browning M2 Aircraft - .50 BMG]]

=Shotguns=

== Remington 870 Field Gun ==
A [[Remington 870#Remington 870 Field Gun|Remington 870 Field Gun]] is seen on the table in the gun shop screen. Used by Vito, gangsters, cops, and random shop owners. An anachronism, the 870 wasn't produced until 1950 which makes it incorrect to have for the first five missions. The raised rib was also a feature that wouldn't be added until later. Also, the shotgun in-game carries 8 rounds whereas it is modeled to look like it holds 4. For some reason even if Vito fires once and reloads one shell, he always pumps the gun, but still retains the same amount of ammo. An advertisement on the in-game radio specifically calls the weapon a Remington 870.
[[Image:Remington870Fieldgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 Field Gun with raised barrel ribbing and 28" barrel - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Mafia2shotgunstore.jpg|px|frame|none|100|Shotgun in civil gunshops.]]
[[Image:09 x - Copy.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Remington shotgun lying in the gun shop.]]
[[Image:mafia-ii-shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vito firing the Remington 870 Field Gun.]]

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