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Talk:Beretta 92 pistol series

2012-12-28T08:04:23Z

Gtcsmc: question about m9a1 mag release

==Additional Variants==
[[File:Beretta-92FS-Vertec-SS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Vertec - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SwordCutlass9mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of Revy's Beretta 92FS Inox "9mm Sword Cutlass" in the anime ''[[Black Lagoon]]'']]
[[Image:STARGun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Replica of the Beretta 92FS "Samurai Edge" Custom from the ''[[Resident Evil (2002)|Resident Evil]]'' videogame franchise.]]
[[Image:DH3-Beretta92FS.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A Beretta 92FS 9x19mm configured for left-handed firing. This is one of the actual Berettas (Four identical guns were used on set) used by [[Bruce Willis]] in the film ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'' ]]
[[Image:Bruni928mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bruni Model Beretta 92FS blank firing stage prop - 8mm blank.]]
[[Image:5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS fitted with AL-GI-MEC - 9x19mm used by Léon ([[Jean Reno]]) in the film ''[[Léon (The Professional)]]''.]]
[[Image:Trinity Beretta92C 9and10 4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Compact stunt props used in the films ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]'' and ''[[Matrix Revolutions, The]]'' - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Blade2-1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|One of the Beretta 92FS heavily customized handguns, with huge blades at the bottom of the barrels, and laser sights were used in the movie ''[[Blade II]]''.]]
[[Image:EQBeretta.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A PhotoShop recreation of the Grammaton Cleric sidearms (heavily modified Beretta 92FS) - 9x19mm used in the film ''[[Equilibrium]]''. (The ones in the film did not have the Beretta logo).]]
[[Image:DSCN0157-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The Beretta 92FS pistols modified to fire on full auto with barrel weights attached, and added compensators were used in the movie ''[[Underworld]]'' - 9mm.]]
[[File:Beretta-92D.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92D - 9x19mm]]

==Correction==
The Boondock Saints characters David Della Rocco and the McManus brothers were incorrectly listed as users of the Beretta 92FS. In the movie, the actual pistols used were the Taurus PT92 with optional suppressors. The Taurus markings are visible in the Carlo Yakavetta execution scene at the end of the movie and was also confirmed by the armorer for the movie and director Troy Duffy.
:Well your correction was wrong. Have you even looked at the page? Here is a screencap. That's definitely a Beretta, it sometimes switches to a PT92 in certain scenes. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BSBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be."]]

==Curious Question==
The Beretta Centurion, is it simply a 92FS with a shortened barrel? Or is there something else I'm missing?

It's essentially got the Compact's barrel and slide, the normal sized frame, and a slightly shorter dust cover that doesn't really fit into either other category. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 10:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

==Just a reminder==

When you talk about the Beretta 92F or 92FS, it is not spelled "M92F" (as this page is titled), "M92FS", or even "92 FS" with a space in between the "92" and "FS". It's just Beretta 92F or Beretta 92FS, exactly as I have just spelled it. If you see a page with the older (mis)spelling, please do not hesitate to correct it.

And considering that this page has grown to include all of the 92 variants (including the SB, Brigadier, Centurion, etc.), it might be time to rename it. I would recommend re-titling the page "Beretta 92-series pistols". Anyone else agree? [[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==...==

Why not have more info on the 93R? Give it its own page?

I propose the following info 9 (and an image if possible; how do I place/upload images here anyway?)

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The '''[[Beretta 93R]]''' (full name: '''Beretta Model 93R''') is a selective-fire [[9mm]] machine pistol. The "R" stands for "Raffica" which means burst in Italian. It was designed in the 70s and meant for police and military use, offering extra firepower in a small package. It is perfect for concealed carry purposes such as VIP protection, or for close quarters fighting such as room-to-room searches.

A selector switch and the foldable foregrip allows the pistol to fire three round bursts with each pull of the trigger for a potential cyclic rate of 1100 rpm. The designers limited it to three round bursts to allow it to be more easily controlled. The 93R is basically a Beretta 92 series pistol (the Beretta [[92FS]] is designated '''"[[M9 Pistol]] M9"''' by the US military, and is the standard issue pistol for the US military). But the 93R is single action and outfitted with a muzzle brake, an optional detachable shoulder stock and a 20-round magazine that also allowed for a firmer grip. It is currently out of production.

The gun has been used in several movies:

* [[Face/Off]] a 1997 action movie starring John Travolta and Nicolas Cage and directed by John Woo.

* [[Equilibrium]] a 2002 action/science fiction film written and directed by Kurt Wimmer with Christian Bale, Taye Diggs, Christian Kahrmann, Emily Watson and Sean Bean.

==Title change==
I hope no one minds that I changed the page name, "pistol series" matches more of the titles on other pages and is easier to remember than "Series Pistols". Agreed? -GM

==Why separate INOX?==
I was just wondering if there were any technical differences between the 92FS and the INOX, other than the slide being stainless.

:Good question. Only because there are so many movies featuring the 92F Inox that if we didn't separate it from the regular 92F, we'd have to put notes about "Inox finish" in parentheses near each. Whereas most of the other Berettas with Inox finishes don't appear in nearly as many movies. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

What happened to the other Inox pic that was posted a few days ago? Could you send it to me, please? - [[User:Taurus96]]

==Die Hard and Lethal Weapon==
I've looked at a few of the Die Hard and Lethal Weapon pages, and there seems to be some confusion about which of the two Berettas on this site was used in each film. So, for future reference: which Berettas were used in the Die Hard films and the Lethal Weapon films? I'll put them up. Thanks. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 02:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg‎ |thumb|350px|none|]]
[[Image:BerettaM92FS DH1&LW1.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|]]

:What the Beretta page says is pretty much accurate. The first gun was used in both the first ''[[Die Hard]]'' and ''[[Lethal Weapon]]''. See how it has a custom extended slide release (due to Willis being a leftie)? In ''[[Die Hard]]'', there are plenty of scenes where it's possible to see that same extension on the slide release (most notably, during the scene where McClane is about to wander through the shattered glass). The second gun was used in the other three ''Die Hard'' movies and ''[[Demoliton Man]]''.

:Also, I don't know why people keep putting the ''[[Die Hard]]'' Beretta on other pages for movies which didn't feature that '''particular''' gun. It should only be used for pages on movies in which it's actually appeared, no more. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Ok, so the first one was in the first ''Die Hard'' and the first ''Lethal Weapon'', while the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?

::It's interesting how the ''Lethal Weapon'' pistol was the same one from ''Die Hard''. Obviously it was modified for Bruce Willis to use, but didn't ''Lethal Weapon'' come out a year prior to ''Die Hard''?

::As far as using the ''Die Hard'' image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from ''Die Hard'' is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site. Thanks for your help, MT. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 05:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Also, the Beretta used in the first Lethal Weapon was different from in the subsequent films because it had a gold Beretta logo on the grips instead of the black one that matches the grips on the Berettas shown here. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::''the second was used in the other three ''Die Hard''s. Was the second also used in the other ''Lethal Weapons''?''

::::I'm not really sure. When MoviePropMaster took the pictures of these guns, he said he may have got confused what movies they appeared in. But here is a picture of the second Beretta (and its "stunt double") in their display case at Stembridge & Cinema Weaponry:

::::[[Image:DisplayCase01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::::You can see that the label next to the gun only mentions ''Die Hard II'' and ''Demolition Man'' as its movie appearances. But MPM '''did''' say he was specifically told that they also brought this Beretta out of "retirement" from the glass case so that it could have a cameo appearance in ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' (as we mentioned on the page for that movie). I'm not sure if it was in ''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]'', but that strikes me as unlikely because that movie was filmed in New York and a different armory supplied the weapons for it. I'm also not sure if it was in any of the other ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' movies or not. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::''As far as using the Die Hard image goes, I think people are doing that to pages that have the Beretta 92F and not the 92FS. This is probably because the Beretta 92F from Die Hard is the only image of a Beretta 92F on this site.''

::::Hmmm, to me, that's kind of stupid because there is so little difference between the 92F and 92FS. Not to mention that it's rather hard to be sure when one or the other is being used (the 92FS replaced the 92F in production very quickly, after all). But I would prefer that the ''[[Die Hard]]''/''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' Beretta only be used on pages for movies in which it actually appears. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::::I think they do this to movies that featured the Beretta that were made in the 80s. If I'm not mistaken, the Beretta 92FS came out in 1990, so they probably think it would be inaccurate to post a picture of the 92FS when the movie obviously used a 92F. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 23:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well that's all a moot point. I Just uploaded two shots of early Beretta 92Fs which can be used generically as opposed to the hero movie guns. Thank you thank you thank you, just leave a tip in the jar........ [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

MPM2008, you deserve a cookie. I have replaced the 92FS image and the Die Hard 92F in a few 80's films. But what is the best year to stop using the 92F? Lethal Weapon 2 came out in '89 and Die Hard 2 '90, they both feature the 92FS. Anything prior to '88? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
:The 92FS actually came out in either late 1988/early 1989, so these guns were purchased IMMEDIATELY and used right away, which is rare unless it's a hot and 'hip/trendy' gun like the 92. Prior to 1989 there ARE no 92FS guns. PRior to 1983 there are no 92F guns (The ones in 1983 were actually 92SB-F guns which were the same weapon. There is NO stop use date for the 92F or even the 92S/92SB guns. As you've seen people still grab them from inventory as recently as now in films. Just because the Walther P38 technically stopped production at the end of WW2 (Walther's post war versions were actually named differently) we still see the P38 in films for the past 65 years. So in essence we're just taking a wild guess. The only things we can be sure of is when they are NOT being used (i.e. the year of production is too early for the model to have been sold). But any gun of any age can be used at any time. When in doubt and it looks the same, opt for the 92FS from 1990 on unless you can get a really good look at the shiny grips, then it's a 92F. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Awesome work on the new Beretta 92F pictures, MPM2008, they look great!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I get what you mean about the 92F still being used today. But like you said unless you can really see the shiny grips or have a really great shot of the slide. You pretty much have to go when the film was made. I haven't handled that many Beretta's I didn't even notice the grips being different F shiny vs FS flat.
Here is a pic of my 92F. While the grips look flat, they're shiny it is just my crappy photo skills.
[[Image:PRE20-BER92F.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Also wouldn't a history timeline of the changes on the 92 be a good thing for the page? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

==TEST==

original list
* [[Will Smith]] as Lt. Col. Dr. Robert Neville in ''[[I Am Legend]]''

* [[Mykelti Williamson]] as Sgt. Drucker in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Liam Neeson]] as Bryan Mills in ''[[Taken]]''

* Undercover Officers in ''[[La Haine]]''

* [[Richard Grieco]] as Michael Corben(Promotional shots) and Pierre in ''[[Teen Agent]]''

* Assassins in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' (fitted with suppressors)

* [[Jason Bose Smith]] as Little Henry, a carjacker, and LAPD officers in ''[[American History X]]''

* U.S. Army Rangers in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]''

* [[Sean Patrick Flanery]] as Connor MacManus, [[Norman Reedus]] as Murphy MacManus, and [[David Della Rocco]] as Rocco ("the Funny Man") in ''[[The Boondock Saints]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Supremacy]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Jason Bourne in ''[[The Bourne Ultimatum]]''

* [[Diego Sandoval]] as ''Empty Gun Man'' in ''[[Desperado]]'' (fitted with suppressor)

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Lt. John McClane in the ''[[Die Hard]]'' series

* An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer, [[Alan Rickman]] as Hans Gruber, and [[Alexander Godunov]] as Karl in ''[[Die Hard]]''

* [[Nicolas Cage]] as Castor Troy and [[Dominique Swain]] as Jamie Archer in ''[[Face/Off]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as Jack Carter in ''[[Get Carter (2001)|Get Carter]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Tequila Yuen and [[Tony Leung]] as Alan in ''[[Hard Boiled]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Mark Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Waise Lee]] as Shing, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, and Triad gang members in ''[[A Better Tomorrow]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ken Gor, [[Ti Lung]] as Sung Tse Ho, [[Leslie Cheung]] as Sung Tse Kit, [[Dean Shek]] as Lung Si, [[Fui-On Shing]] as Ko's Right Hand Man, [[Ming Yan Lung]] as Chong, [[Shan Kwan]] as Ko Ying Pui, and others in ''[[A Better Tomorrow II]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Ah Jong in ''[[The Killer]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as John Lee in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as Detective Nick Chen in ''[[The Corruptor]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Heat]]''

* [[Josh Hartnett]] as Detective K.C. Calden in ''[[Hollywood Homicide]]''

* [[Kim Bodnia]] as Harald in ''[[In China They Eat Dogs]]''

* [[Adam Baldwin]] as Major Mitchell, U.S. military and Secret Service personnel in ''[[Independence Day]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Jarhead]]''

* [[Mel Gibson]] as Detective Martin Riggs in the ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' series ''(fitted with a laser sight in [[Lethal Weapon 4]])''

* L.A.P.D. officers and [[Rene Russo]] as Sergeant Lorna Cole in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Leon in ''[[Leon (The Professional)]]''(Customized with Compensators and Silencers)

* [[Jared Leto]] as Vitaly Orlov in ''[[Lord of War]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as DEA Agent Sean Vetter and [[Larenz Tate]] as DEA Agent Demetrius Hicks in ''[[A Man Apart]]''

* [[Keanu Reeves]] as Neo in ''[[The Matrix]]'' and in ''[[The Matrix Revolutions]]''

* FBI Agents and [[Jackie Chan]] as Chief Inspector Lee in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Dennis Quaid]] as Guy and [[Stellan Skarsgard]] as Peter Dominic in ''[[Savior]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[The Siege]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* L.A.P.D. patrol officers and one of Montel's cronies in ''[[S.W.A.T.]]'' ''(the latter being fitted with a silencer)''

* [[Robert Patrick]] as the T-1000 in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]''

* [[Kristanna Loken]] as the T-X in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Three Kings]]''

* [[Ethan Hawke]] as Officer Jake Hoyt in ''[[Training Day]]''

* [[Kate Beckinsale]] as Selene in ''[[Underworld]]'' (fitted with compensators and modified to fire full auto)

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Volcano]]''

* N.S.A. agent posing as a robber at the 'diner' in ''[[xXx]]''

* N.Y.P.D. officers in ''[[X-Men]]''

* [[Lou Diamond Phillips]] as Cisco in ''[[The Big Hit]]''

* U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.S., [[Sean Connery]] as John Patrick Mason, and [[Nicolas Cage]] as FBI Agent Stanley Goodspeed in ''[[The Rock]]'' (Connery and Cage using one fitted with a tactical flashlight)

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Lions for Lambs]]''

* [[Mark Wahlberg]] as Bob Lee Swagger in ''[[Shooter]]''

* [[Sylvester Stallone]] as John Spartan in ''[[Demolition Man]]''

* [[Jet Li]] as Gabriel Law in ''[[The One]]''.

* [[Steven Seagal]] as Nico Toscani in ''[[Above the Law]]''

* Police in ''[[Vantage Point]]''

* [[Steve Carell]] as Agent 86 in ''[[Get Smart]]''

* [[Scott Caan]] as Jones in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* Japanese soldiers in ''[[Battle Royale II: Requiem]]''

* [[Martin Lawrence]] as Miles Logan in''[[Blue Streak]]''

* [[Elizabeth Banks]] as Starla Grant in ''[[Slither]]''

* Shinji Mimura in [[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]

* [[Tom Cruise]] as Ethan Hunt in ''[[Mission: Impossible 3]]''

* U.S. Marines in ''[[Behind Enemy Lines]]''

* Rookie Kincaid in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* [[Clive Owen]] as Louis Salinger in [[The International]]

* Minneapolis P.D. officers in ''[[Jingle All the Way]]''

* ''[[The Day the Earth Stood Still]]'' (2008)

* Omar in ''[[Traitor]]''

* Mace in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* An assassin in ''[[The Sentinel]]'', fitted with a suppressor.

* Detectives Curtis and Anderson in ''[[Unknown]]''

* Truck driver in ''[[Dreamcatcher]]''

* L.A.P.D. officers in ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]''

* [[Andy Whitfield]] as Gabriel in ''[[Gabriel]]'' (dual-wielded with silencers)

* The corrupt police officers hired by Dominic Greene in ''[[Quantum of Solace]]''

* Kansas City Police officers and detectives in ''[[Mad Money]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Chev Chelios, [[Art Hsu]] as Johnny Vang, and LAPD officers in ''[[Crank: High Voltage]]''

* A member of the french national police in ''[[MR 73]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Courage Under Fire]]''

* [[Esai Morales]] as Staff Sergeant Stern in ''[[In the Army Now]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Sheriff Pangborn in ''[[Needful Things]]''

* [[Ed Harris]] as Frankie in ''[[State of Grace]]''

* [[Tengiz Borisoff]] as Josip Barada in ''[[Red Heat]]''

* [[Sue Price]] as Alex Sinclair in ''[[Nemesis 2: Nebula]], [[Nemesis III: Prey Harder]] and [[Nemesis 4: Death Angel]]''

* [[Barry Pepper]] as Mike Norton in ''[[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The]]''

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Frank Falenczyk in ''[[You Kill Me]]

* [[Viktor Sukhorukov]] as Victor Bagrov in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS|Brother 2]]

* American cops in [[Brother 2#Police weapon on Viktor's detention|Brother 2]]

* [[Ben Kingsley]] as Xavier Fitch and [[Michael Madsen]] as Preston Lennox in ''[[Species]]''

* [[Larry B. Scott]] as Sgt. Charles Biddle in ''[[ Extreme Prejudice]]'' (1987)

* FBI Agents in ''[[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]]'' (continuity error)

==Distinction==
What exactly is the distinction between the Beretta 92F and the 92FS?
:The FS models have a slide retention device on the frame. Here is a pic showing the slide differences. The FS on top, F on the bottom. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Slide.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Variantons we don't have ==

We are lacking:

Beretta 92A1: 17 round mag, and a Picattiny-Similar rail under the barrel

Beretta 96A1: Same as above but is chambered in .40 S&W and haves a 12 round mag

Beretta 92FS type M9A1: Basically a civilian M9A1 --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 01:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

:Unless those weapons have appeared in any movies or TV shows, I'm not sure we need them on this page. Our goal is to document what appears in movies, not to make a comprehensive list of every variant that Beretta has ever made. As a general guideline, we don't add variants/pictures to a page if we have no evidence that they've appeared in any media. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 00:17, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Custom Grips? ==

I'm in the process of customizing my Beretta, and I've found something that I really like, but I don't know the name of the product. It's the kind of grip in the picture used for the Brigadier Inox, and similarly seen in this image here: http://lh4.ggpht.com/_fP72_yZL4Yk/Sseqpb4zlsI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/1IvokqYHl30/s800/DSC_1636.jpg though I'm not sure they're the same brand of grips. Either way, though, does anyone know a company that sells grips like these for the 92FS? Hopefully at a relatively low price? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 06:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
:Those look like Hogue grips. They are pretty common. Fairly inexpensive too. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:56, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== Could be better ==

I just personally think "why would they not do that?" Like getting rid of the rounded trigger guard, or not giving it a M1911A1 style safety. Not to mention they could add about half of an inch to the barrel. I have never been able to find someone who would customize my old 92F, half the time the telling after I told them what I wanted, they would say, "It can't be done." Of course, being I'm stubborn as hell, I kept looking until I just gave up. Are these custom features too much or just can't happen except in my dreams? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 05:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
:If you want the "M1911A1 style safety" wouldn't you be better off with an original 92 that has the frame mounted safety versus the slide mounted safety of all the later variants. The trigger guard could probably be reshaped, no problem. But not sure if the alloy frame would cause problems. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Or just get a Taurus, they are good guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 14:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Could someone explain this to me? ==

What is the benefit of purchasing a Brigadier over a typical 92fs? I have been attempting to research it, and can find no definitive answer.
:Stronger slide. The Brigadier slide is beefed up where the 92fs slide weak point is, at the the locking block area. That's the most common area for them to crack at.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BrigadierInox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS Brigadier Inox 9x19mm.]]

Thank you!

I have a question as well . i was on a page before and they refered to the 92FS as a "Lane And Weston" what dose that mean? simmons 8492
:Reread [[Monk#"Lane & Westen" (Fictional name for Beretta)|that page]], it says what it means pretty clearly.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 02:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

==Beretta 92SB vs. Beretta 92FS==
Aside from the shape of the trigger gaurd, what are the differences between the Beretta 92SB and the Beretta 92FS? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:The SB still had the traditional bluing while the 92F has the Bruniton finish.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Could you give more information about the two finnishes? Pros and cons of each, the finnishing process, why they switched?
:::The Bruniton finish has the matte black look, it's supposed to be more durable than bluing as most other finishes are. My 92F is a former police gun, made in '87 I think. While it's got some wear. The Bruniton finish has done its job. The finishing process I have no idea. The finish on the frames looks to me like they stayed the same.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:PRE20-BER92F.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

==Grey's Anatomy==
In grey's anatomy, season 6 ep 23~24 it looks like the shooter was using either the 92 or the 96 I am not sure which. Can anybody verify? - [[User:teckchris|teckchris]]
:More likely a 92. 9mm pistols work better with blanks than .40s, and since so many blank-firing 92s are available for use, it doesn't seem likely they would use a 96. I saw the episode in question, but can't remember what the bore size looked like. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I've created a page for the show, and put in a few entries from the episode. Posted a number of images of the Beretta, as well. [[Grey's Anatomy]] [[User:S. Wolf|S. Wolf]]

==LAPD version==
Does anyone know if the LAPD (or California Law enforcement in general) is required to abide by the 10rd limit they impose on civilians? I'm pretty sure the LAPD adopted this weapon before the limit was instated, however since it was passed are the uniformed patrol officers required to use the restricted capacity magazines civilians are forced to make due with? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

: It varies/depends on the particular state somewhat but generally no, law enforcement isn't limited by the same restrictions as civilians. After all, they do have selective-fire, short-barreled and/or suppressed weapons, and even access to restricted ammunition and other things. I'm pretty sure extra-loaded mags for their service semiautos are part of the deal. In some gun catalogs it states certain capacity magazines are available only to law enforcement. So, yes they can have full 15 (10+) round magazines. I'm not positive as to whether this applies to CA specifically, but I would think so. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

::I find that appalling. SWAT officers certainly should not be required to abide by the same restrictions as civilians as they are more highly trained, do not interact with the public often, and are only called when things really get hairy, but I don't believe patrol officers should be permitted to possess weapons that are forbidden to private citizens, as any situation they might encounter a civilian could be faced with as well, and, because they interact with the general public more, there is greater potential for abuse if the balance of power is too much in their favor. I don't want to sound like some kind of paranoid anarchist, however in principal I don't think the average cop on the street should be able to outgun every citizen he may encounter. Sure 10rds vs. 15rds may not be that big a deal, but it's a slippery slope. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

::: Again, I'm not too specific about all the uh, specifics. And some vary depending on which state you live in. Some civilians are allowed 'restricted' stuff, though not in many cases from what I gather. Still, I agree with you whole-heartedly. Granted I wouldn't mind so much about them getting a few extra rounds in their semiautos (one of the reasons they went to semiautos in the first place was higher capacity), but I hear you about the rest. 'Special' weapons of the sort SHOULD only be issued/used by SWAT teams and other 'special' units. Unfortunately, some cities/departments don't seem to care much in that regard, especially these days. The LAPD you're talking about is also the same LAPD that issued hundreds of military-surplus M16 rifles to regular patrolmen as a knee-jerk reaction to the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, a decision that still holds effective to this day I believe. And other departments have followed suit (I have seen an episode of 'COPS' with a regular patrolman holding an M4-type rifle on a suspect). Anyway, I still haven't given you a definitive answer about your initial question, so before we continue preaching further, perhaps we should wait until we get one, though I'm pretty sure what the answer will be. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

::::What do you mean that "they" impose on civilians? LAPD are law enforcers, not lawmakers. And no, I don't think LAPD deserves to be subject to the same idiotic laws that civilians are subjected to. Just because legislators in CA are stupid doesn't mean the LAPD needs to be impeded from doing their jobs. And contrary to what you seem to think, LAPD officers are not going to encounter the same situations that civilians encounter. It is their '''job''' to put themselves out on patrol in dangerous areas on a daily basis, which means that they are statistically more likely to be at risk than civilians. I realize you hate CA's gun laws, but taking your anger out on law enforcement officers is hardly a rational response. You do sound like a "paranoid anarchist". -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

:::::They may not make the laws, but by enforcing them they give them credibility. Complacency is complicity, after all. And yes, the LAPD(with exception of SWAT) deserve to be subject to the same laws as civilians. Here in California, a Ruger Mini-14 is not an assault weapon, but an AR-15 is, despite both being functionally identical, save for a few ergonomic and cosmetic features. And when you consider that Assault Weapons Ban Supporters claim that the only purpose of Assault Weapons is killing lots of people(their words, not mine), it makes you start to wonder why every patrolcar has one in it. I didn't realize that it was the police's job to kill lots of people. 10 round limits are fine, but not the rest of it. As for the original question, I walk by a police station every other day, and I see in each patrolcar an AR-15 type SBR with a 20 round magazine(in addition to a riotgun). I've never looked closely enough to know whether they are full-auto though. So no, even regular police are not governed by the same restrictions as civilians here in CA.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 06:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

::::::It's their job to enforce the law. They don't have a choice. Plenty of people work in professions where they have to do stuff that they don't necessarily agree with. By your definition, anyone in California who obeyed the law (and doesn't buy 15-round magazines) must also be "complicit". Just because you disagree with CA's magazine capacity limits doesn't mean police deserve to suffer the same restrictions. And in case you've forgotten, at least civilians have the option of fleeing from scenes of violence, whereas a police officer's job is pretty much to run towards it. Take your ire out on politicians and their idiot constituents. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:17, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==Inox film list==
Going to convert this to grid template. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 03:11, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
:Grid list completed, going to leave original list here in case of fuck-ups on my part.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 04:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

* [[Jean-Claude Van Damme]] as Alain Moreau in ''[[Maximum Risk]]''

* [[Jason Patric]] as Tellis in ''[[Narc]]''

* [[Jean Reno]] as Vincent in ''[[Ronin]]''

* Haitian gang members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* [[Michael Madsen]] as Blood in ''[[Beyond the Law]]''

* [[Mekhi Phifer]] as Andre and [[Michael Kelly]] as CJ in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]''

* Police officers in ''[[Ghost Rider]]''

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in [[Punisher: War Zone]]''

* [[Viggo Mortensen]] as Tom Stall and several mafia henchmen in ''[[A History of Violence]]''

* [[Rowan Atkinson]] as Johnny English in ''[[Johnny English]]''

* [[Milla Jovovich]] as Alice in ''[[Resident Evil]]''

* [[Chris Tucker]] as Detective James Carter in ''[[Rush Hour]]''

* [[Lindsey Ginter]] as Holloway in ''[[Beverly Hills Cop 3]]''

* [[Flex Alexander]] as Clarence Dewey and [[Samuel L. Jackson]] as FBI Agent Neville Flynn in ''[[Snakes on a Plane]]''

* [[Michael Papajohn]] as the carjacker in ''[[Spider-Man]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter, The|The Transporter]]''

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors 2: Aftershocks]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Joe Hallenbeck in ''[[The Last Boy Scout]]''

* [[Tom Sizemore]] as boss Paulie Pintero in ''[[Enemy of the State]]''

* [[James Remar]] as Agent Markham in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''

* One of Jack Travis' henchmen in ''[[Lethal Weapon 3]]''

* [[Calvin Jung]] as Detective Ng in ''[[Lethal Weapon 4]]''

* [[Bruce Willis]] as Art Jeffries in ''[[Mercury Rising]]''

* [[Damian Lewis]] as Yassen Gregorovich in ''[[Stormbreaker]]''

* [[Vin Diesel]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]'' (fitted with custom compensator)

* [[Adam Goldberg]] as The Hebrew Hammer in ''[[The Hebrew Hammer]]''

* [[Terry Crews]] as Washington in ''[[Street Kings]]''

* [[Ben Foster]] as Mars Krupcheck in ''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]''

* [[Andrew Bryniarski]] as Larry Eugene Phillips Jr. in ''[[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shoot-out]]''

* [[Yau-Gene Chan]] as Peter Wei in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* [[Natasha Henstridge]] as Lt. Melanie Ballard in ''[[Ghosts of Mars]]''

* Police Officers in ''[[Strange Days]]''

* [[Simon Baker]] as Riley in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

* [[Jason Statham]] as Frank Martin in ''[[Transporter 2]]'' (promotional material only)

* Ukrainian mobster in Chicago in [[Brother 2#Beretta 92FS Inox|Brother 2]]

* Takashi Tsukamoto as Shinji Mimura in ''[[Battle Royale|Battle Royale(Film)]]''

* Valri Bromfield as Constable 'Miss Purdah' in ''[[Nothing But Trouble]]''

* OCP Security Concepts guard in ''[[RoboCop 3]]''

* [[Mark Strong]] as Frank D'Amico in ''[[Kick-Ass]]''

* [[Michael Gambon]] as Prime Minister in ''[[Ali G Indahouse]]''

==92FS Late Version==
I noticed that while we have separate images of most major weapons in each of their development stages, yet we don't have any images of post '03 models (the ones with the miscellaneous polymer parts and [http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/39/39954.jpg a tapered forward frame]). I browsed through all of the movies on the 92FS list that had a listed date after 2003, and the the only one that I could tell was definitely using one of the newer makes was ''[[Taken]]'' (you can see Neeson using one with the distinctive slanted frame in the second screenshot for the "factory black" 92F listing). To the various armorers on this site; are these just not that common in movie armorer stocks?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 06:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
::It's just not economically feasible to run out and buy every variant that comes down the pike and put into the armory. Especially since California is going out of it's way to make getting newer models of any type of firearm more difficult or more expensive (completely due to regulations and NOT the free marketplace), armories maintain many older firearms because there is no real upside in not only buying new guns and blank adapting them, but also the cost has to be filtered down to the customer, and very rarely does it make a difference to the story. Also, even if you're an FFL and have other permits and paperwork, many business are just not doing ANY business with the state, another facet which makes it more difficult [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

==INOX?==

Technically speaking, should it be "INOX" or "Inox"? And how do you pronounce it: ''ee''-nox, ''ih''-nox, in-ox or spelled out? Thanks [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 23:37, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

:The term "Inox" is short for "inoxidizable", which is a fancy way of saying the weapon has a stainless finish. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:24, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Just an amateur question==
I have a blank Beretta 92F pistol. Is there any way to tell that it is a blank gun? (I do not wish to rob a bank or anything like that, I just want to know how many changes did they make compared to the original model... :D ) [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:10, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:BlowF92.jpg|thumb|none|700px|My "precious" replica.]]

:It may just be the angle of the first photo, but it looks like they either gave it a skeleton hammer or set it further inward. It also looks like they removed some of the curvature from the rear of the slide. The magazine foot is thicker in the front, the lanyard loop is thicker and the extractor is longer.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:15, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== Early Beretta 92? ==

Can someone tell me what exactly this pistol is? (pic from [http://www.berettaworld.com Beretta World])
[[File:92Maxi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
The site has it as the picture for the Beretta 92, but it has a couple of differences. Firstly, it has different grips that do not feature the Beretta logo, but I understand that these can be easily changed so could be spurious. Secondly though, the gun in question features a taper/step down in the slide just in front of the ejection port that I have never seen before. My assumption is that this is a very early or prototype Beretta 92 with a slide that was too weak, so the front was widened to the same thickness as the back for future models. I wouldn't normally care, but have found a pistol that matches the above one exactly, so want to know what it is:
[[File:UF 303 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:25, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

What film is the screenshot from? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:45, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
:Its from the TV series [[Ultimate Force]], am just getting ready to do a big update. They use the exact pistol multiple times, but the odd thing is that they use it in both blued and stainless versions (shown below). It had been suggested that it might be an early Taurus PT92, which apparently lacked the finger step (never heard of this though) but after finding the pic of the Beretta 92 shown above with the exact grips and slide, am pretty sure that is what it is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:39, 14 July 2011 (CDT)
:[[File:UF 102 35.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

Ah right. The picture has a higher angled hammer than a standard 92 style hammer. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 17:57, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Pronunciation Help ==

How does one actually prononuce Inox? Is it Eyenox? Innox? And does it change depending on the country? [[User:TheHeartbreakKid15|TheHeartbreakKid15]] 17:51, 14 October 2011 (CDT)
:"In ox". It's short for "inoxidizing".--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:09, 14 October 2011 (CDT)

==Question about M9==

Is there actually a difference between the M9 and the 92FS, or is it simply a matter of a different designation, because the M9 is a military weapon? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 19:55, 13 November 2011 (CST)
:From the Beretta forum.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:55, 13 November 2011 (CST)
* The M9 usually has a straight dustcover and non-radiused backstrap (Contract Pistols will always be straight/straight)
* The 92FS (recent model) has a radiused backstrap and angled dustcover (The older 92FS pistols did not have the slanted dustcover.)
* M9 markings (including proof markings and cage # markings)
* M9 lacks the warning to read owner's manual
* The rear sight of the 92FS has 2 dots, whereas the M9 has a single half-moon
* M9 (unless special or limited edition) comes in cardboard box, with no plastic hard case

Thanks! [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 08:00, 14 November 2011 (CST)

== m9a1 ==
why does this mention the reversible mag release as if it were new? the 92fs had a reversible mag release, and i'm pretty sure the m9 does too.
--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] ([[User talk:Gtcsmc|talk]]) 03:04, 28 December 2012 (EST)

Heckler & Koch USP

2012-12-19T18:37:17Z

Gtcsmc: fixed tom cruise / collateral entry

'''The Heckler & Koch USP series is used by the following actors in the following films, television series, video games, and anime:'''

__TOC__ 

==Specifications==

'''Type:''' Handgun

'''Calibers:''' 9x19mm, .357 SIG, 40 S&W, .45 ACP

'''Capacity:''' 8, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 24, 31-round box magazine

'''Fire Mode:''' Semi-Automatic

 

== Heckler & Koch USP ==
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP - 9x19mm]]
[[File:H&K USP 9MM 5.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP with two-tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:H&KUSP40.jpg‎ |thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP - .45 ACP. Note the slightly longer barrel/slide and grip compared to the 9mm and .40 S&W models above.]]
[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP with two-tone finish - .45 ACP]]

The Heckler & Koch USP (''Universelle Selbstladepistole'', or "Universal Self-loading Pistol") was first introduced in 1993 and is still currently manufactured. It is offered in several calibers - 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. The .45 ACP version of the USP has a slightly longer barrel and a slightly taller grip than the 9mm and .40 S&W models.

=== Film ===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Terminal Velocity]]'' || [[Christopher McDonald]] || Kerr || ||1994
|-
|''[[Heat]]'' || [[Robert De Niro]] || Neil McCauley || ||1995
|-
|''[[Bad Boys]]'' || || Carjacker || ||1995
|-
|''[[Virtuosity]]'' || [[Russell Crowe]] || SID 6.7|| || 1995
|-
|''[[Assassins]]'' || || Interpol Agent || || 1995
|-
|''[[Chain Reaction]]'' || [[Brian Cox]] || Lyman Earl Collier || ||1996
|-
|''[[The Glimmer Man]]'' || [[John M. Jackson]] || Donald Cunningham || ||1996
|-
|''[[Executive Decision]]'' || [[Kurt Russell]] || Dr. David Grant || fitted with KAC suppressor and LAM, meant to pass for a [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0]] || 1996
|-
|''[[8 Heads in a Duffel Bag]]'' || [[Joe Pesci]] || Tommy || || 1997
|-
|''[[The Replacement Killers]]'' || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || John Lee || || 1998
|-
|''[[The Replacement Killers]]'' || [[Mira Sorvino]] || Meg Coburn || || 1998
|-
|''[[Black Dog]]'' || [[Charles S. Dutton]] || Ford || || 1998
|-
|''[[Black Dog]]'' || [[Cyril O'Reilly]] || Vince || || 1998
|-
|''[[The Art of War]]'' || ||Ambassador's bodyguard || || 2000
|-
| ''[[The Way of the Gun]]'' || [[Taye Diggs]] || Jeffers || || 2000
|-
|''[[The Way of the Gun]]'' ||[[Nicky Katt]] || Obecks || || 2000
|-
|''[[Jurassic Park III]]'' || [[Michael Jeter]] || Udesky || || 2001
|-
|''[[Swordfish]]'' || [[Vinnie Jones]] || Marco || ||2001
|-
|''[[Swordfish]]'' ||[[John Travolta]] || Gabriel Shear || ||2001
|-
|''[[Femme Fatale]]'' ||[[Rebecca Romijn]] || Laure || ||2002
|-
|''[[2009: Lost Memories]]'' || ||JBI Agents || || 2002
|-
|''[[Old Men in New Cars]]'' || [[Torkel Petersson]] || Ludvig || || 2002
|-
|''[[The Italian Job (2003)|The Italian Job]]'' || [[Edward Norton]] || Steve || || 2003
|-
|''[[The Hunted]]'' || [[Mark Pellegrino]] || Hewitt|| || 2003
|-
|''[[National Security]]'' || [[Eric Roberts]] || Nash || || 2003
|-
|''[[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]]'' || || A thug || || 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' || [[Scott Speedman]] || Michael Corvin|| || 2003
|-
|''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]'' || [[Roberto Sanchez]] || Roberto || stainless slide || 2003
|-
|''[[Blind Horizon]]'' || [[Val Kilmer]] || Frank Kavanaugh || || 2003
|-
| ''[[Collateral]]''||[[Tom Cruise]] || Vincent |||| 2004
|-
|''[[The Punisher (2004)|The Punisher]]'' || [[Terry Loughlin]] || Spoon || || 2004
|-
|''[[The Whole Ten Yards]]'' || [[Tasha Smith]] || Julie "Jules" Figueora || || 2004
|-
|''[[Dawn of the Dead (2004)|Dawn of the Dead]]'' || || || found on floor|| 2004
|-
|''[[Chaos]]'' || [[Jason Statham]] || Quentin Connors || || 2005
|-
|''[[Doom]]'' || || various || || 2005
|-
|''[[Children of Men]]'' || [[Peter Mullen]] || Syd|| || 2006
|-
|''[[The Da Vinci Code]]'' || [[Paul Bettany]] || Silas || || 2006
|-
|''[[Waist Deep]]'' || [[Tyrese Gibson]] || O2 || || 2006
|-
|''[[Exiled]]'' || [[Suet Lam]] || Fat || || 2006
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]]''|| || South African mercenaries || ||2006
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]]''|| [[Kagiso Kuypers]] || Dia Vandy || ||2006
|-
|''[[The Kingdom]]''|| [[Ali Suliman]] || Sgt. Haythem || || 2007
|-
|''[[Smokin' Aces]]'' || [[Ryan Reynolds]] || Richard Messner || ||2007
|-
|''[[Smokin' Aces]]'' ||[[Ray Liotta]] || Donald Carruthers || ||2007
|-
|''[[Shoot 'Em Up]]'' ||[[Clive Owen]] || Smith || ||2007
|-
|''[[Resident Evil: Extinction]]'' ||[[Oded Fehr]] || Carlos || dual-wielded; stainless slide ||2007
|-
| ''[[Hitman (2007)|Hitman]]'' || [[Michael Offei]] || Interpol Special Agent Jenkins ||with flashlight attachment||2007
|-
|''[[Transporter 3]]''|| || Johnson's Thug || ||2008
|-
|''[[Iron Man (2008)|Iron Man]]''|||| Ten Rings Terrorist || ||2008
|-
|''[[Push]]''|||| Pop Family Bleeder || ||2009
|-
|''[[Ninja Assassin]]''|| [[Ben Miles]] || Ryan Maslow || ||2009
|-
|''[[Vengeance]]''|||| Thugs || ||2009
|-
|''[[The Expendables]]''|| [[Steve Austin]] || Paine || stainless slide||2010
|-
|''[[The Stranger]]''|| [[Steve Austin]] || The Stranger || stainless slide||2010
|-
|''[[Assault, The (L'Assault)|The Assault (L'Assault)]]'' || ||Terrorist|| ||2010
|-
|''[[Tomorrow, When the War Began]]''|||| Coalition officer || ||2010
|-
|''[[Man From Nowhere, The|The Man From Nowhere]]''|| [[Thanayong Wongtrakul]] || Ramrowan || ||2010
|-
|''[[The Mechanic (2011)|The Mechanic]]''|| [[Jason Statham]] || Arthur Bishop || ||2011
|-
| ''[[Setup (2011)|Setup]]'' || ||Thug |||| 2011
|-
| ''[[Street Kings 2: Motor City]]''||.||.||.||2011
|-
| ''[[The Viral Factor]]'' || [[Andy On]] ||Sean Wong |||| 2012
|}

=== Television ===
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note/Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[seaQuest DSV]]'' || [[Don Franklin]] || Cdr. Jonathan Ford || "When We Dead Awaken"|| 1993 - 1996
|-
|''[[seaQuest DSV]]''|| [[Marco Sanchez]] || Sensor Chief Miguel Ortiz || "When We Dead Awaken" || 1993 - 1996
|-
|''[[seaQuest DSV]]''|| ||Security Guard || || 1993 - 1996
|-
|''[[Frasier]]''|| [[Dennis Cockrum]] || Red Brewer || 10.23, "Analyzed Kiss" || 2003
|-
|''[[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]'' || [[Paul Guilfoyle]] || Capt. Jim Brass || || 2000 - ????
|-
|''[[24]]'' || [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Jack Bauer || With & without silencer || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24]]'' ||[[Brian Goodman]] || Raymond O'Hara || With silencer || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24]]'' || [[Henri Lubatti]] || Jovan Myovic || With silencer ||2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24]]'' || [[Anil Kumar]] || Kalil Hasan || With two-tone finish ||2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24]]'' || [[Peter Weller]] || Christopher Henderson || || 2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[24]]'' || || LAPD officer || ||2001 - 2010
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || [[François Guétary]] || LeMaison || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Pascal Langdale]] || Lacompte || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Dorian Healy]] || Mick Mo || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || [[Christopher Fox]] || Cpl. Louis Hoffman || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || [[William Tapley]] || Burton || || 2002 - 2006
|-
|''[[Red Cap]]'' || || West German Police || || 2003 - 2004
|-
|''[[CSI: NY - Season 6|CSI: NY]]''||||Shooting Instructor||"Battle Scars" (S06E05)||2004-Present
|-
|''[[CSI: NY - Season 7|CSI: NY]]''||[[Gary Sinise]]||Det. Mac Taylor||"To What End" (S07E11)||2004-Present
|-
|''[[Numb3rs]]''|| || CBI Agent || "Nine Wives", With two-tone finish || 2005 - 2010
|-
|''[[Criminal Minds]]''|| [[Paget Brewster]] || FBI SSA Emily Prentiss ||"Lauren" || 2005 - ????
|-
|''[[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]''|| [[Chris Kramer]] || Chavez || "Reconstruction" || 2006 - 2008
|-
|'' [[Sea Patrol]]''|| Rick Gallagher || smuggler || || 2007 -
|-
|''[[Caprica]] ''|| [[Eric Stoltz]] || Daniel Greystone || With two-tone finish || 2010
|-
|''[[Haven]]''|| || Thugs || || 2010-????
|-
|''[[Charlie's Angels (2011)|Charlie's Angels]]'' || || ||stainless steel slide || 2011
|-
|''[[Alcatraz]] ''|| [[Jeffrey Pierce]] || Jack Sylvane || with two-tone finish|| 2012
|-
|}

===Video Games===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[Rainbow Six]] || HK .40 USP || || with optional suppressor || 1998
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]] || HK .40 USP || || With optional suppressor || 1999
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]] || USP || || With silencer and weaponlight || 2001
|-
| [[Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow]] || USP (.40 Cal.) || Tritium Night Sights ||none|| 2002
|-
| [[Matrix: Path of Neo, The|The Matrix: Path of Neo]] || Pistol || ||can be dual-wielded|| 2005
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] || USP40 || || With suppressor, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2006
|-
| [[F.E.A.R]] || "Rakow AT-14" || || || 2006
|-
| [[Hitman: Blood Money]] ||SLP.40 || || || 2006
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || USP .45 || || With silencer, weaponlight, and AN/PEQ-6 laser aiming module || 2007
|-
| [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] ||SLP Pistol || ||in .40 S&W || 2007
|-
| [[Zombie Panic Source]] ||USP|| |||| 2007
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]] || USP40 || || || 2007
|-
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || HK USP ||flashlight or laser aiming module|||| 2008
|-
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] || USP40 || || With suppressor, laser pointer, and high-capacity magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2]] || USP .45 || || With silencer and AN/PEQ-6 laser aiming module || 2009
|-
| [[GoldenEye 007 (2010)|GoldenEye 007]] || "Hawksman M5A" || || With silencer or laser pointer || 2010
|-
| [[Splinter Cell: Conviction]] || USP45 || ||w/ various upgrades || 2010
|-
| [[Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days]] || || ||not usable || 2010
|-
| [[Bodycount]] || N/A || w/suppressor || Preview selection icon only, model never seen, replaced with SIG P226R || 2011
|-
| [[NCIS: The Video Game]] || || in .40 S&W || misidentified as the USP45|| 2011
|-
| [[Breach (VG)|Breach]] || USP .45 || || || 2011
|-
| [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] || USP .45 || || || 2011
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Neon Genesis Evangelion]]'' || Maj. Misato Katsuragi || || 1995 - 1996
|-
|''[[Kurogane Communication]]'' || Honi || with threaded barrel; chambered for .40 S&W|| 1998
|-
|''[[Kurogane Communication]]'' || Kanato || with threaded barrel, rifle flashhider and laser/light attachment; chambered for .40 S&W || 1998
|-
|''[[Jyu-oh-sei]]'' || Yuuki || ||2006
|-
|''[[Case Closed: The Lost Ship In The Sky]]'' || Red Siamese Cat || || 2010
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch P8 ==
[[Image:pistole-p8.jpg|thumb|right|401px|Heckler & Koch P8 - 9x19mm. Note the reversed safety lever.]]
The Heckler & Koch P8 is a variant of the USP adopted by the German army ''Bundeswehr'', chambered in 9x19mm. The P8 has minor differences from the standard USP model, these being translucent magazines, a reversed safety/decocker lever, and a traditional lands-and-grooves barrel instead of a polygonal barrel.

=== Television ===

* [[Gedeon Burkhard]] as Kriminalhauptkommissar Chris Ritter in ''[[Alarm für Cobra 11]]'', season 11 pilot episode. Later he switches to SIG P6.
:''Note: As a police officer, Ritter should use a P10 (modified USP Compact) or a P2000 (new model based on the P10/USP Compact) instead of the military only P8.''

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Referred as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Resident Evil 5]] ||H&K P8 || With laser pointer || || 2009
|-
| [[Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D]] || || || || 2011
|-
|}

===Anime===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Characters'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Date'''
|-
|[[Full Metal Panic!|Full Metal Panic!: The Second Raid]] || Melissa Mao || || 2005
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch USP Compact ==
[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|350px|right|H&K USP Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[File:USPc 9mm two tone.jpg|thumb|351px|right|H&K USP Compact with stainless slide - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Usp40compact.jpg|thumb|350px|right|H&K USP Compact - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:USPCompact45.jpg|thumb|350px|right|H&K USP Compact - .45 ACP. Note that the there is a slight frame difference in front of the rail.]]

Introduced in 1994; it is sold in 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, and later .357 SIG.

=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Mission: Impossible II]]'' || [[Dougray Scott]] || Sean Ambrose|| || 2000
|-
| ''[[Mission: Impossible II]]'' || [[Tom Cruise]] || Ethan Hunt || || 2000
|-
|''[[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]]'' || [[Johnny Depp]] || Sands || || 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' || [[Kate Beckinsale]] || Selene || || 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' || [[Scott Speedman]] || Michael Corvin || || 2003
|-
|''[[Hellboy]]''|| [[Rupert Evans]] || John Meyers || || 2004
|-
|''[[Hellboy]]''|| [[Corey Johnson]] ||Clay || || 2004
|-
|''[[V for Vendetta]]''|| [[Rupert Graves]] || Detective Sergeant Dominic Stone |||| 2005
|-
|''[[Casino Royale (2006)|Casino Royale]]'' || [[Sébastien Foucan]] || Mollaka || || 2006
|-
|''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''|| [[Edoardo Costa]] || Emerson || ||2006
|-
| ''[[Attack Force]]'' || [[Lisa Lovbrand]] || Tia || Two-tone || 2006
|-
|''[[Hot Fuzz]]''|| |||| found in armory|| 2007
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]]'' || [[Leonardo DiCaprio]] || Danny Archer || || 2009
|-
|''[[Blood Diamond]]'' || [[Djimon Hounsou]] || Solomon Vandy || || 2009
|-
|''[[Wanted]]'' || [[James McAvoy]] || Wesley || || 2009
|-
|''[[Kick-Ass]]'' || [[Chloe Moretz]] || Hit Girl || ||2010
|-
|''[[The Town]]'' || [[Jeremy Renner]] || James Coughlin || ||2010
|-
|''[[Iron Man 2]]'' || [[Scarlett Johansson]] || Agent Natasha Romanoff || ||2010
|-
|''[[Limitless]]'' || [[Ray Siegle]] || Gennady Thug || ||2011
|-
|''[[Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol]]'' || [[Vladimir Mashkov]] || Anatoly Sidorov || ||2011
|-
|''[[Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol]]'' || [[Samuli Edelmann]] || Wistrom || ||2011
|}

===Television===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note / Episode''''''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Alarm für cobra 11]]''|| [[Charlotte Schwab]]|| Anna Engelhardt|| || 1996-Present
|-
|''[[Alarm für cobra 11]]''||[[Katja Woywood]] ||Kim Krüger|| ||1996-Present
|-
|''[[24]]'' || [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Jack Bauer || With & without suppressor || 2001 - 2010
|-
|'[[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]]''|| [[Tom Ellis]] || Thomas Milligan || With two-tone finish, "Last of the Time Lords"|| 2005
|-
|''[[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]]''|| || Preachers resistance member || "Rise of the Cybermen" || 2005 -
|-
|''[[Red Cap]] ''|| || Capt Rolf Mertens || With two-tone finish, "Red Light" || 2003 - 2004
|-
|''[[Burn Notice]]'' || [[Jeffrey Donovan]] || Michael Westen || With two-tone finish || 2007-
|-
|''[[Guns]]'' || || Various || || 2008
|-
|''[[Continuum - Season 1]]'' ||[[James Pizzinato]] || Gates ||S01E09 || 2012
|-
|''[[Continuum - Season 1]]'' ||[[Rachel Nichols]] || Kiera Cameron || S01E05 and S01E08|| 2012
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || "UDP Compact" || || || 2007
|-
| [[Code of Honor]] || || w/ suppressor || || 2007
|-
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]] || "UDP Compact" || || || 2008
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch USP Match ==
[[Image:H&K-USP-Compensator.jpg|thumb|right|375px|Heckler & Koch USP Match - 9x19mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Lara Croft: Tomb Raider]]'' || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Lara Croft || Dual-wielded || 2001
|-
|''[[Blade II]]'' || [[Wesley Snipes]] || Blade || Heavily customized, with laser sights || 2002
|-
|''[[Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life]]'' || [[Angelina Jolie]] || Lara Croft || Dual-wielded, stainless steel finish || 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' || [[Shane Brolly]] || Kraven || With silver nitrate bullets || 2003
|-
|''[[Underworld]]'' || [[Kate Beckinsale]] || Selene || With silver nitrate bullets || 2003
|-
|''[[Blade: Trinity]]'' || [[Wesley Snipes]] || Blade || Heavily customized, laser sight|| 2004
|-
|''[[Transporter 2]]'' || [[Jason Flemyng]] || Dimitri || || 2005
|-
|''[[Transporter 2]]'' || [[Jason Statham]] || Frank Martin || || 2005
|-
|''[[Hot Fuzz]]'' || [[Timothy Dalton]] || Simon Skinner || || 2007
|-
|''[[Wanted]]'' || || Assassin || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note/Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Walker, Texas Ranger]]'' || || Gang Leader || || 1993 - 2001
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness]] || Vector R-35 || in .45 AUTO ||incorrect capacity || 2003
|-
| [[GoldenEye: Rogue Agent]] || "SPEC-9" || || || 2004
|-
| [[Half-Life 2]] || || || || 2004
|-
| [[Tomb Raider: Legend]] || || || Dual-wielded || 2006
|-
| [[Tomb Raider: Underworld]] || ||incorrect slide mounted safety || Dual-wielded || 2008
|-
| [[Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light]] ||Handguns || incorrect slide mounted safety || Dual-wielded || 2010
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch USP Elite ==

[[Image:USP-Elite.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP Elite - .45 ACP]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' || [[Brad Pitt]] || John Smith || || 2005
|-
|''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]'' ||[[Angelina Jolie]] || Jane Smith || || 2005
|-
|}
 

==Heckler & Koch USP Tactical==
[[Image:Hk-usp45tac.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP Tactical - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:H&KUSPTactical9.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP Tactical (with thread protector cap) - 9x19mm]]

===Film===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Mercury Rising]]'' || [[Lindsey Lee Ginter]] || Peter Burrell || suppressor || 1998
|-
|''[[The Tuxedo]]'' || || Thug || laser sight || 2002
|-
|''[[XXX|xXx]]'' || [[Marton Csokas]] || Yorgi || laser sight || 2003
|-
|''[[Harsh Times]]'' || || Convenience store owner|| || 2005
|-
|''[[Be Cool]]'' || || Russian Mobster || || 2005
|-
|''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' || || Terrorist || suppressor || 2007
|-
|}

===Video Games===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| [[Counter-Strike]] || "KM .45 Tactical Pistol" || || With optional silencer || 2000
|-
| [[Counter-Strike: Condition Zero]] ||"KM .45 Tactical Pistol" || || With optional silencer || 2003
|-
| [[Counter-Strike: Source]] || "KM .45 Tactical Pistol" || || With optional silencer || 2004
|-
| [[Shadow the Hedgehog]] || || || || 2005
|-
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] || "KM .45 Tactical Pistol" || ||With optional silencer || 2007
|-
| [[Blacksite: Area 51]] || "MK.23" || || || 2007
|-
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || HK USP Tactical||Suppressor, flashlight or laser aiming module|||| 2008
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || || || With OD frame, Laser Aiming Module, and Knights Armament Suppressor || 2008
|-
| [[Conduit, The|The Conduit]] || || || || 2009
|-
| [[Ghost Recon Online]] || "USP 45" || || || 2012
|-
| [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]] ||USP .45 || laser aiming module, suppressor available || || 2012
|-
|}

===Anime===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Stigma of the Wind]]'' || Tsuabuki bodyguard || With Supressor || 2007
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch USP Compact Tactical ==

[[Image:usp comp tact.jpg‎|thumb|right|350px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact Tactical - .45 ACP]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]'' || [[Willem Dafoe]] || U.S. Secretary of Defense George Dekert || || 2005
|-
|''[[XXX 2: State of the Union]]'' || [[John G. Connolly]] || Lt. Colonel Alabama Cobb || || 2005
|-
|''[[Bourne Ultimatum, The|The Bourne Ultimatum]]'' || [[Joey Ansah]] || Desh Bouksani || With & without silencer || 2007
|-
|''[[Punisher: War Zone]]'' || [[Ray Stevenson]] || Frank Castle || || 2008
|-
|}
 

== Heckler & Koch USP Expert ==

[[Image:Usp large expert.jpg|thumb|right|351px|Heckler & Koch USP Expert - 9x19mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
|''[[Hostage (2005)|Hostage]]'' || || Hostage taker || || 2005
|-
|''[[Deja Vu]]'' || [[James Caviezel]] || Carroll Oerstadt || || 2006
|-
|''[[Knight and Day]]'' || || CIA agent || || 2010
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Air Date'''
|-
|''[[Sons of Anarchy]]'' || [[Ron Perlman]] || Clay || || 2008 - ????
|-
|''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles]]'' || || Terminator || Dual-wielded, with & without suppressors || 2008 - 2009
|-
|''[[Chuck]]'' || [[Jonathan Cake]] || Cole Barker || "Chuck Versus the Lethal Weapon" || 2009
|-
|''[[Chuck]]'' || [[Zachary Levi]] || Chuck Bartowski || "Chuck Versus the Lethal Weapon" || 2009
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| ''[[Time Crisis II]]'' || || With weaponlight || 1998
|-
| ''[[Global Operations]]'' || || With silencer and weaponlight || 2002
|-
| ''[[Time Crisis IV]]'' || || || 2007
|-
|}
 

=See Also=
{{HK}}
[[Category:Gun]]
[[Category:Pistol]]

Talk:Far Cry 3

2012-12-10T21:35:59Z

Gtcsmc: added comment to pistol

== Single players weapons ==
Some of the weapons listed here, do not appear in single player campaign, or maybe are completely removed from the final game, this should be noted no? Among them the desert eagle, Vector , spas-12, galil, hk416, there is however a heavy sniper rifle used during one mission to cover the characters friend, I couldn't identify it only the barrel and the scope is seen.

Yaay, Frank and his amazing collection of exploding rust will ride again. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:From what I saw in the demo at E3 (I watched Microsoft's press conference live yesterday), it looks like this game will be set on an island like the earlier games in the series. Frankly I'm surprised no one had beat me to the punch and made a page for the game already. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:59, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::I'd heard of it being in development, but I wasn't aware there was any actual footage of weapons in it yet. I guess I'll have to start saving for another PC and set aside 40 or so hours to screencap it like last time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:05, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Here's an "insane" walkthrough video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXHmWRziHA [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:26, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::::Waaaaaaiiiit a minute...I see a crashed Zero, ancient ruins, and they're talking about this island's "dark secret." Looks like this is going to be an ''actual'' sequel to ''Far Cry''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
:::::Loved the first game, so I hope it will awesome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== AK ==

The AK has a muzzlebrake, but the mag looks like a 7.62mm mag instead of the straighter 5.45mm mag. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:32, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:If you watch the video, you'll notice that all the features of the weapon except the magazine match the AK-74 (handguard & stock, receiver cover, muzzle brake, front sight assembly), with the magazine being the only part that doesn't match. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

Dang DinoHunter2! You did '''EXACTLY''' what I was going to do, I was considering changing it to a AK-103 like half a hour ago and the description change is the same as I was thinking, good job! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:23, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

:You're welcome Mr. Wolf :D - [[User:DinoHunter2|DinoHunter2]] 18:18, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol ==

It's a modern 1911 with a under-barrel rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:21, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:Never mind, I was too slow. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:23, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

YEY! Finally a Kimber in a game! I'm looking forward to this game regardless now :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:47, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

[[File:FC3KIMBLER2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Kimber Warrior in ''Far Cry 3'']]

Heres an interesting thing, if you look at this wallpaper [http://static2.cdn.ubi.com/ncsa/FarCry3/wallpapers/fc3-wallpaper-1920x1200.jpg] you will see a guy with a Glock, however, you can see a HAMMER if you zoom in! uh oh. At least he has good trigger discipline. :) -m82a1

:s&w sigma? --[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] ([[User talk:Gtcsmc|talk]]) 16:35, 10 December 2012 (EST)

== SVD? ==

An alternate demo walkthrough features what looks to be an SVD or one of its derivatives. Anyone care to give this video a look? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9fsXPNs34

On a side note, the same video confirms the M67 in game. The throwing animation is actually kinda cool, as you see the spoon being released before the grenade is thrown.

*Looks like an actual Dragunov, it's got that bend in the safety lever that the Romak doesn't have, and it looks like they've given it the right handguard and no X stamping on the magazine this time. Of course it's a lefty Dragonuv, but I think that's to be expected. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:20, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
::Maybe it's the Far Cry 2 model with a new texture, that might explain why it's a lefty gun, hope that changes in the final game, the other guns are righty guns. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:51, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Also, in both that video and the one I posted above, the Blackhawk helicopter the player hijacks is shot down by what appears to be some kind of rocket launcher. You can't see the guy firing it clearly, and I only saw a split-second glimpse of the rocket milliseconds before it strikes the aircraft, but I think it's possibly an [[RPG-7]] or Type 69. I don't want to add it to the page until more concrete proof is found though. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:32, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Here is a image of the rocket launcher:
[[File:FC3RL.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:38, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
:Definitely a RPG-7/Type 69, most likely a RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:42, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== Will brass fly left still? ==

I'm wondering if these guns will be like the previous game and have the brass eject left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

*Well, so far the AK and Kimber look like they're right-handed and only the SVD looks like it's a lefty model. Now, interestingly, I'd heard that the developers had seen our ''Far Cry 2'' page (some podcast or other had a guy saying some guy on the team, I think the director, had pointed him to it) and it's actually looking like they took note: for example, they've fixed the handguard of the SVD, the magazine, the scope now fills the screen to avoid that issue where the area outside the scope was zoomed in too, the reticle now has the numbers on it (though it's missing the lower line of the rangefinder and the 1.7, and has one too many chevrons), and he holds it at the hip like the stock's under his arm rather than inserted partway into his shoulder. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:42, 12 June 2011 (CDT)
:Now if only Infinity Ward and Treyarch would follow that lead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

== Recent news ==

I've heard from the UK Official PS3 Magazine that the game world is supposedly going to be ten times the size of the world in ''Far Cry 2''. To be honest, this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence; one of the biggest problems with ''FC2'' was the size of the world seemed to have been decided in some board meeting before they had a single idea down as to what they were going to put in all that space. The result was a game that had you going five miles from A to B simply because they wanted you to see all the effort they'd put into the huge map. It can be done (see ''Just Cause 2'') but it makes me nervous hearing they're on "look at how big our map is" rather than "we have so many great ideas the map has to be at least this big." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:08, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Ten times the size? I lost intrest in Far Cry 2 because the game is not an FPS, is a driving game with peolpe trying to kill you at the checkpoints! OK, I'm exagerating but it's way to big.--[[User:MAndolin|MAndolin]] 08:35, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

But on the flip side, bigger maps can mean more space for more content. It's not the size of the maps that is the problem, it's what they use the size for. Far Cry 2, spatially, I thought was lovely. The driving and auto-attack enemies got old, but there's nothing about the space that seemed to be a problem. There was always somewhere to go and something to do. If they made travel more risky/interesting, and enemies didn't auto-attack you at every turn... it would make it more interesting. Furthermore, other methods of travel... such as helicopters, planes, etc. would do a world of good. Also, they need to focus on the end game more... after you've finished up the quests, that's it. There needs to be more repeatable content. Houses need to be more dynamic and upgradeable, hopefully with actual windows... not just instances you enter. That, and they need to expand more on the "hunt" and stealth aspect. It was awesome in Far Cry 2 just picking apart groups of enemies, but sucked because they -automatically- knew where you were 90% of the time... negating all stealth. It seems this has been vastly improved in the little footage we've seen, and the inventory system seems to be expanded as well. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 21:22, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:Naw, the problem as I see it was in FC2 before they did ''anything'' they had that 50 square km number set in stone. This led to the problem of just having normal-sized quests with waypoints that were ridiculously far apart from one another; the result was basically a 10 hour game which had another 20 hours of driving and random fights thrown on top. Not that there was anything wrong with the combat mechanics, but one key point of an open-world game is you should be able to choose how you address a situation; always having the enemies set to max aggression / kill you got wearying. A good example of a different approach would be the checkpoint halfway through Cordon in ''Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl''; there, you could shoot everyone. Or you could sneak down an anomaly-filled corridor nearby and bypass it. Or risk radiation and wild animals to use a gap in the fence way down the railway track in the other direction. Or you could put your gun away and bribe the officer to let you pass. There were consequences to all of these; for example, if you killed them all you'd then have to repel a large group of Bandits by yourself rather than the guys at the checkpoint attacking them when they got close.

:Like I said, the trouble in FC2 was that number was how big they wanted it to be, not "it can't possibly be smaller than this, because we have so many ideas to fill it up with." That plus the landscape felt annoyingly static and "dead" with no dangerous animals and no people outside fixed camps. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:33, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

::I totally agree, I was also annoyed by that. I mean it would have been cool if you were stalking at night and you attacked by a pack of hyenas or that there was actually some '''people''' instead of just psychotic brigands. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:10, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:I read somewhere that the player's name is Jason Brody, if anyone wants to use that information --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:05, 23 December 2011 (CST)

The source of these problems is the fact that FC2 and FC3 is are console-centric games. And consoles are running on, by PC gaming standards, hopelessly outdated hardware (circa 2005). The relative lack of RAM and processing power means that open-world games like these are seriously held back; changes to the world are rarely permanent, and it's very difficult for the console to remember what you've done (such as items stored) in locations that aren't fixed. Sometimes it's just a matter of scope and dedication. [[Boiling Point: Road to Hell]] was only on a 25 x 25 km map, but featured drivable vehicles of all kinds (in which you could store almost any amount of items) such as boats, patrol ships, single-engine planes, and leisure/combat helicopters, factions that fought one another and treated you accordingly with respect to your reputation, upgradeable weapons that decayed at a realistic rate (you could fire 1000s of rounds and end up with a 10% chance of jamming), an RPG system that increased your skills with weaponry the more you used them and your body stats the more you ran or carried heavy stuff, and jungles filled with animals out for your blood or whom you could hunt to sell their corpses or parts to traders. By contrast, the STALKER series only got a functioning faction wars system starting with the second game, never had drivable vehicles, and had no upgrades or repairs for its weapons until the second game. The STALKER series did, however, have an A-Life system that tracked the presence and deaths of mutants and NPCs behind your back, even if you weren't in the area (something that has rarely appeared in other games, the only other example I know of being the X Universe series of space free-roam games, PC only). It's sad, really--there are more fans of console games than ever, but many don't realise just how gimped their games are compared to what could be accomplished on PCs running current hardware, much like how Crysis 2 was badly scaled back from the original. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:58, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:I dunno, it strikes me more that FC2's problem was in how they approached map design and the lack of things to do. Just Cause 2 is also designed with consoles in mind, but it's more fun because it has a better interaction of game mechanics and more memorable characters. In FC2 if you took all of one faction leader's dialog and gave it to the other you'd find it hard to tell it was wrong. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== New Trailer Out Today ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPnDDr7sMk Here.] - What are your thoughts, guys? Obligatory dubstep for some reason, as a cinematic trailer it looks pretty awesome. -- Long Fallen 16:24, 15 February 2012 (CST)

This does look pretty good, but doesn't Vaas or whatever the bad guy's called use a standard M1911A1? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 05:50, 16 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah it appears so. Its definetly not the Kimber Warrior because it doesnt have the white grips, and appears to have a black or possibly blued finish -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:08, 20 February 2012 (CST)

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Oa8Q7RV78&feature=player_embedded Leaked trailer, showing actual gameplay!] -- Long Fallen 17:12, 20 February 2012 (CST)

== Most anticipated thing about FC3... ==

Most definitely the page Evil Tim is going to do for it. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 17:45, 15 February 2012 (CST)

Id like to second that. [[User:G36Ghost|G36Ghost]] 18:27, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

== New gameplay, New guns ==

If you look at this gameplay footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTXv4SbEZ4&feature=related

You can see a couple new guns (A shotgun and what I think is a DShK machine gun), plus a grenade (Which looks like an M26) - [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 18:27, 21 February 2012 (CST)

The shotgun looks like it could be either a Mossberg 500 Mariner or a Remington 870 Marine Magnum, with a ribbed barrel and a accessory rail mounted ontop of the reciever. You get a good look at the ejection port at 4:37 of the video. What is interesting is, the sling is wrapped around the reciever despite it having full stock as the ingame icon shows.

Also in the video, if you pause really quickly at 0:07, the AK looks different. The wooden furniture looks more pale than in the E3 trailer, also the magazine is different in that there were vertical lines going up and down on the magazine in the E3 trailer but now the lines are going horizontal; a good shot of this is at 0:19 when the player reloads, look between the player's hand and the reciever of the gun and you'll see.

As for the DShK, I'm not sure but it looks like it to me. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 22:02, 21 February 2012 (CST)

The shotgun appears to be a Remington 870, the handguard is wrong for a Mossberg and the ejection port matches the Remington as well. As for the heavy machine gun, I'm going to say DShK as well. Saw a lot more of the customized AK-103 as well, as well as HE-Frag hand grenades, either M67's or M26's. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:25, 21 February 2012 (CST)

New trailer. Somewhat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGrWuw5CEgM&feature=plcp&context=C41236b0VDvjVQa1PpcFNiqixtTbtxFd1-Gkazt_wHZG5RBOCYPLk%3D

You can see a Vz.61 Skorpion at 1:36 and a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of some unknown gun at 1:47. A TDI Vector maybe? -- Long Fallen 18:42, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

Shows the barrel-end of a TDI Vector during the middle of a reload animation. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 19:23, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

I managed to get a screenshot of a gun at about 2:14, seriously hard to see though.

Check this out:

[http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/084/f/e/far_cry_3_unknown_gun_by_timaman-d4tveo7.png]

No idea what it could be, but it shows that at least one gun is on aftermarket ironsights. Lets hope they don't do a CoD Black Ops and put them on every smg and rifle in the game. [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 10:40, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

-- My money's on the TDI Vector shown earlier in the video, check the spent brass... looks like .45 ACP to me. Definitely not an AR, that's what I thought at first. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 19:55, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

At the end of that video it shows a Type 10 flare gun as a preorder bonus. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:54, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

[http://www.gametrailers.com/video/teamplay-interview-far-cry-3/728785] New gameplay trailer, some new guns in there. Spotted a Makarov PM, PP-19 Bizon, some M4 variant, and what looks like an Ultimax 100. Also, another pre-order bonus offers a "skinned M700" (Remington 700 with camo probably, and some screenshots depict a SPAS-12, Mini-14, Remington 700, and a rather odd looking MP5 being used.
[http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_280646_thumb_wide620.jpg]
[http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_280649_thumb_wide620.jpg]
[http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/118/1188467/far-cry-3-20110817104323708_640w.jpg]
[http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/122/1222265/far-cry-3-20120404085727938_640w.jpg]

== Multiplayer gameplay New Weapons ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-jo-AX_7V4] --[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 06:26, 6 April 2012 (CDT)

There's an icon of an MG that I'm unsure of at about 1:18. A KAC maybe? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 11:48, 14 April 2012 (CDT)
:I agree. Also, at 1:26... Makarov 6P9? [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 17:12, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

There's some new guns in the screenshots below. Not sure what that first LMG is, but in the second screenshot, that looks like a FAMAS G2. It doesn't seem to have the larger trigger guard though:
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/i403204-8/far-cry-3-multiplayer-far-cry-3-multiplayer.html#a375541

:The machine gun in the first image is a PKM with an RIS and a different muzzle break. [[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 21:54, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

:Has everyone forgotten about this page? There have been numerous weapons in the trailers after the last edit.--[[User:Speo16|Speo16]] ([[User talk:Speo16|talk]]) 16:07, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

== E3 has come, and with it comes more weapons ==

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731423

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/730867

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731397

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731100

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/730899 (kind of NSFW)

Nice variety of new weapons here. Don't know what that bolt action sniper rifle is in the first video however.

I was gonna put this down as a Daewoo K3 (or an M249) until I saw the STK Ultimax 100 Mk3. However it looked too big and had the stock so was not wanting to put it under either until someone else had had a look. Thanks -

[[File:6P9andMKG.jpg]]

Same video there's also a flame thrower as a secondary weapon. Doesn't look much like the LPO-50 or whatever from FC2 - 1:05

During the gameplay there seems to be an underslung grenade launcher on the SIG, I was just wondering if anyone could ID this. It could be the proper SIG 5040/5140 or perhaps an M203 if they are wanting it for other weapons and just reuse the model

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731513

A better look at the flamethrower, and an icon for a submachine gun that looks like a M4 Spectre at the 4:28 mark.

Could be an M4A1 or a HK416, looks too short to be a standard M4A1

[[File:M4A1side.jpg]]

It looks to have a monolithic-style upper receiver; notice how there's no seam where the receiver becomes the handguard. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:21, 7 June 2012 (CDT)

There are a few new trailers that have just been released I noticed quite a few new weapons in them. Definitely worth a look.

==Walkthrough==

The walkthrough is up on Game Anyone, as expected. Unlike the Max Payne 3 and Black Ops II leaks, the game has actually been released in Europe as far as I know and thus it's not against the rules to post screencaps or information. So far it appears that a .44 Magnum revolver is in the game, though I can't tell which one. There's also a SOCOM 16, correctly semi-auto. The Remington is listed as a 700. The flare gun is back, with a gold finish, and they added a recurve bow that can use explosive and flaming arrows. The flamethrower is back, but it looks like a fictional design. The starting shotgun purports to be a Baikal MP-133 (as the M133), though I can't tell if it's wrong. The in-game guidebook provides background on all weapons and sometimes justification for their purpose; the Kimbers were purchased to an exact specification for a private army, and Vaas (the villain) bought the Baikals in bulk. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 02:05, 29 November 2012 (EST)

It doesn't appear that the Makarov comes standard with the silencer; it's still got the first part attached to the gun, but you need to purchase the second part as an upgrade. Odd, but it does skip over the problem some games have where an addon turns the gun into a unique variant instead of just attaching something. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 02:47, 29 November 2012 (EST)

:It certainly isn't out in the UK yet (release is the 30th), so I'd hold your horses if I were you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:38, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:: Checked again. November 29th (today) is the Australian release date. Unfortunately, it'll probably take several years for anyone in Australia to save enough money to purchase a copy. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 19:32, 29 November 2012 (EST)

:::Well, I'm downloading my copy now despite Norton Antivirus' apparent dislike of Ubisoft's downloader, so we'll see. Though given video upload and encoding times, I doubt you'd get a release-day upload of a long game like this without either haxing being involved or the player having no clue what they're doing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:38, 30 November 2012 (EST)

::::I can tell you the flamethrower is still an LPO-50, they've just dressed it up; if you look at it on the pause menu you can see the ignitor cluster at the muzzle, the pistol grip, and the fuel tank selector. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:01, 30 November 2012 (EST)

== Weapons from the Wiki ==
These are pictures from the game's Wikia Page. I can't figure out how to post them on the main page, I can't remember how to post the pictures themselves. A lot of weapons posted on this page appear to be missing from the Wikia page but that's probably due to lack of updates. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 00:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)

'''Pistols'''

1911: The Kimber .45 in the game. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/1/16/Kimber_Warrior.jpg

.44 Magnum: Appears to be some kind of revolver, sorry for the bad quality. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/c/c1/Untitled5.png

There doesn't seem to be a page for the Desert Eagle.

'''Assault Rifles'''

P416: The HK 416 that appears ingame. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/d/d8/Untitled6.png

MS16: A modern version of a M1 Garand with a hideous camo job and the cocking handle appears to be on the wrong side or Jason is using one built for left handed people. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/0/0c/FarCry3_M1Garand.jpg

'''Sniper Rifles'''

M-700: A (possible) Remington 700 in game. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/8/85/Remington_M700.jpg

:I like how you refer to the [[Springfield Armory M1A|M1A]] as a modernized M1 Garand. You could just say M14. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:39, 30 November 2012 (EST)

I apologize about that. I wrote this section at 1 am where I'm at and I was very tired. I didn't see the magazine behind the player's hand and the Far Cry Wikia said that weapon was a Garand. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 09:20, 30 November 2012 (EST)

== Anyone else really disappointed in the lack of weapon details? ==

For a game with otherwise a ton of effort put into it, why are almost all magazines empty? Why is the bolt on the left side of several weapons? Why does the M1887 not seem to be cocked on empty reload? And so on ....

Most of this could been done in less than an hour had they actually tried. What work is that of a few magazine textures? Instead half of the weapons are now unusable. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 10:10, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Aw wait, the bolts are on the left side of the weapons?! Which one? Damn it, I thought the developers learned their lessons about that crap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:50, 30 November 2012 (EST)

I think the bolt of the Dragunov is on the left, but i am not certain as my copy of the game has not arrived yet, but i have clearly seen the M1A has a left-sided bolt. Ironically, it is also one of few box-magazine weapons that actually has visible rounds in the magazine when reloading.

And bizarrely enough, the AK-103 seems to have visible rounds when taking the magazine out of the weapon, but not when inserting a new one. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:45, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Looking at all the caps we got now, it doesn't look like any of them have the charging handle on the left side [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:47, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Vaas is holding a Glock like gun with an external hammer and is missing the things in the front to take down the slide [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:25, 2 December 2012 (EST)

== Single players weapons ==
Some of the weapons listed here, do not appear in single player campaign, or maybe are completely removed from the final game, this should be noted no? Among them the desert eagle, Vector , spas-12, galil, hk416, there is however a heavy sniper rifle used during one mission to cover the characters friend, I couldn't identify it only the barrel and the scope is seen.

Yaay, Frank and his amazing collection of exploding rust will ride again. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:From what I saw in the demo at E3 (I watched Microsoft's press conference live yesterday), it looks like this game will be set on an island like the earlier games in the series. Frankly I'm surprised no one had beat me to the punch and made a page for the game already. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:59, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::I'd heard of it being in development, but I wasn't aware there was any actual footage of weapons in it yet. I guess I'll have to start saving for another PC and set aside 40 or so hours to screencap it like last time. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:05, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:::Here's an "insane" walkthrough video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lXHmWRziHA [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:26, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

::::Waaaaaaiiiit a minute...I see a crashed Zero, ancient ruins, and they're talking about this island's "dark secret." Looks like this is going to be an ''actual'' sequel to ''Far Cry''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:39, 8 June 2011 (CDT)
:::::Loved the first game, so I hope it will awesome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== AK ==

The AK has a muzzlebrake, but the mag looks like a 7.62mm mag instead of the straighter 5.45mm mag. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:32, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

:If you watch the video, you'll notice that all the features of the weapon except the magazine match the AK-74 (handguard & stock, receiver cover, muzzle brake, front sight assembly), with the magazine being the only part that doesn't match. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 10:42, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

Dang DinoHunter2! You did '''EXACTLY''' what I was going to do, I was considering changing it to a AK-103 like half a hour ago and the description change is the same as I was thinking, good job! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:23, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

:You're welcome Mr. Wolf :D - [[User:DinoHunter2|DinoHunter2]] 18:18, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pistol ==

It's a modern 1911 with a under-barrel rail. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:21, 7 June 2011 (CDT)
:Never mind, I was too slow. :P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:23, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

YEY! Finally a Kimber in a game! I'm looking forward to this game regardless now :D --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 20:47, 7 June 2011 (CDT)

[[File:FC3KIMBLER2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Kimber Warrior in ''Far Cry 3'']]

Heres an interesting thing, if you look at this wallpaper [http://static2.cdn.ubi.com/ncsa/FarCry3/wallpapers/fc3-wallpaper-1920x1200.jpg] you will see a guy with a Glock, however, you can see a HAMMER if you zoom in! uh oh. At least he has good trigger discipline. :) -m82a1

== SVD? ==

An alternate demo walkthrough features what looks to be an SVD or one of its derivatives. Anyone care to give this video a look? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_9fsXPNs34

On a side note, the same video confirms the M67 in game. The throwing animation is actually kinda cool, as you see the spoon being released before the grenade is thrown.

*Looks like an actual Dragunov, it's got that bend in the safety lever that the Romak doesn't have, and it looks like they've given it the right handguard and no X stamping on the magazine this time. Of course it's a lefty Dragonuv, but I think that's to be expected. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:20, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
::Maybe it's the Far Cry 2 model with a new texture, that might explain why it's a lefty gun, hope that changes in the final game, the other guns are righty guns. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:51, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Also, in both that video and the one I posted above, the Blackhawk helicopter the player hijacks is shot down by what appears to be some kind of rocket launcher. You can't see the guy firing it clearly, and I only saw a split-second glimpse of the rocket milliseconds before it strikes the aircraft, but I think it's possibly an [[RPG-7]] or Type 69. I don't want to add it to the page until more concrete proof is found though. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 09:32, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

Here is a image of the rocket launcher:
[[File:FC3RL.JPG|thumb|none|500px|]]
--[[User:Flavio|Flavio]] 14:38, 11 June 2011 (CDT)
:Definitely a RPG-7/Type 69, most likely a RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:42, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

== Will brass fly left still? ==

I'm wondering if these guns will be like the previous game and have the brass eject left [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 11 June 2011 (CDT)

*Well, so far the AK and Kimber look like they're right-handed and only the SVD looks like it's a lefty model. Now, interestingly, I'd heard that the developers had seen our ''Far Cry 2'' page (some podcast or other had a guy saying some guy on the team, I think the director, had pointed him to it) and it's actually looking like they took note: for example, they've fixed the handguard of the SVD, the magazine, the scope now fills the screen to avoid that issue where the area outside the scope was zoomed in too, the reticle now has the numbers on it (though it's missing the lower line of the rangefinder and the 1.7, and has one too many chevrons), and he holds it at the hip like the stock's under his arm rather than inserted partway into his shoulder. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:42, 12 June 2011 (CDT)
:Now if only Infinity Ward and Treyarch would follow that lead. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:45, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

== Recent news ==

I've heard from the UK Official PS3 Magazine that the game world is supposedly going to be ten times the size of the world in ''Far Cry 2''. To be honest, this doesn't exactly fill me with confidence; one of the biggest problems with ''FC2'' was the size of the world seemed to have been decided in some board meeting before they had a single idea down as to what they were going to put in all that space. The result was a game that had you going five miles from A to B simply because they wanted you to see all the effort they'd put into the huge map. It can be done (see ''Just Cause 2'') but it makes me nervous hearing they're on "look at how big our map is" rather than "we have so many great ideas the map has to be at least this big." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:08, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Ten times the size? I lost intrest in Far Cry 2 because the game is not an FPS, is a driving game with peolpe trying to kill you at the checkpoints! OK, I'm exagerating but it's way to big.--[[User:MAndolin|MAndolin]] 08:35, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

But on the flip side, bigger maps can mean more space for more content. It's not the size of the maps that is the problem, it's what they use the size for. Far Cry 2, spatially, I thought was lovely. The driving and auto-attack enemies got old, but there's nothing about the space that seemed to be a problem. There was always somewhere to go and something to do. If they made travel more risky/interesting, and enemies didn't auto-attack you at every turn... it would make it more interesting. Furthermore, other methods of travel... such as helicopters, planes, etc. would do a world of good. Also, they need to focus on the end game more... after you've finished up the quests, that's it. There needs to be more repeatable content. Houses need to be more dynamic and upgradeable, hopefully with actual windows... not just instances you enter. That, and they need to expand more on the "hunt" and stealth aspect. It was awesome in Far Cry 2 just picking apart groups of enemies, but sucked because they -automatically- knew where you were 90% of the time... negating all stealth. It seems this has been vastly improved in the little footage we've seen, and the inventory system seems to be expanded as well. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 21:22, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:Naw, the problem as I see it was in FC2 before they did ''anything'' they had that 50 square km number set in stone. This led to the problem of just having normal-sized quests with waypoints that were ridiculously far apart from one another; the result was basically a 10 hour game which had another 20 hours of driving and random fights thrown on top. Not that there was anything wrong with the combat mechanics, but one key point of an open-world game is you should be able to choose how you address a situation; always having the enemies set to max aggression / kill you got wearying. A good example of a different approach would be the checkpoint halfway through Cordon in ''Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl''; there, you could shoot everyone. Or you could sneak down an anomaly-filled corridor nearby and bypass it. Or risk radiation and wild animals to use a gap in the fence way down the railway track in the other direction. Or you could put your gun away and bribe the officer to let you pass. There were consequences to all of these; for example, if you killed them all you'd then have to repel a large group of Bandits by yourself rather than the guys at the checkpoint attacking them when they got close.

:Like I said, the trouble in FC2 was that number was how big they wanted it to be, not "it can't possibly be smaller than this, because we have so many ideas to fill it up with." That plus the landscape felt annoyingly static and "dead" with no dangerous animals and no people outside fixed camps. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:33, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

::I totally agree, I was also annoyed by that. I mean it would have been cool if you were stalking at night and you attacked by a pack of hyenas or that there was actually some '''people''' instead of just psychotic brigands. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:10, 18 September 2011 (CDT)

:I read somewhere that the player's name is Jason Brody, if anyone wants to use that information --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 10:05, 23 December 2011 (CST)

The source of these problems is the fact that FC2 and FC3 is are console-centric games. And consoles are running on, by PC gaming standards, hopelessly outdated hardware (circa 2005). The relative lack of RAM and processing power means that open-world games like these are seriously held back; changes to the world are rarely permanent, and it's very difficult for the console to remember what you've done (such as items stored) in locations that aren't fixed. Sometimes it's just a matter of scope and dedication. [[Boiling Point: Road to Hell]] was only on a 25 x 25 km map, but featured drivable vehicles of all kinds (in which you could store almost any amount of items) such as boats, patrol ships, single-engine planes, and leisure/combat helicopters, factions that fought one another and treated you accordingly with respect to your reputation, upgradeable weapons that decayed at a realistic rate (you could fire 1000s of rounds and end up with a 10% chance of jamming), an RPG system that increased your skills with weaponry the more you used them and your body stats the more you ran or carried heavy stuff, and jungles filled with animals out for your blood or whom you could hunt to sell their corpses or parts to traders. By contrast, the STALKER series only got a functioning faction wars system starting with the second game, never had drivable vehicles, and had no upgrades or repairs for its weapons until the second game. The STALKER series did, however, have an A-Life system that tracked the presence and deaths of mutants and NPCs behind your back, even if you weren't in the area (something that has rarely appeared in other games, the only other example I know of being the X Universe series of space free-roam games, PC only). It's sad, really--there are more fans of console games than ever, but many don't realise just how gimped their games are compared to what could be accomplished on PCs running current hardware, much like how Crysis 2 was badly scaled back from the original. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:58, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:I dunno, it strikes me more that FC2's problem was in how they approached map design and the lack of things to do. Just Cause 2 is also designed with consoles in mind, but it's more fun because it has a better interaction of game mechanics and more memorable characters. In FC2 if you took all of one faction leader's dialog and gave it to the other you'd find it hard to tell it was wrong. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== New Trailer Out Today ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYPnDDr7sMk Here.] - What are your thoughts, guys? Obligatory dubstep for some reason, as a cinematic trailer it looks pretty awesome. -- Long Fallen 16:24, 15 February 2012 (CST)

This does look pretty good, but doesn't Vaas or whatever the bad guy's called use a standard M1911A1? --[[User:Taurus96|Taurus96]] 05:50, 16 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah it appears so. Its definetly not the Kimber Warrior because it doesnt have the white grips, and appears to have a black or possibly blued finish -- [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 13:08, 20 February 2012 (CST)

:[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Oa8Q7RV78&feature=player_embedded Leaked trailer, showing actual gameplay!] -- Long Fallen 17:12, 20 February 2012 (CST)

== Most anticipated thing about FC3... ==

Most definitely the page Evil Tim is going to do for it. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 17:45, 15 February 2012 (CST)

Id like to second that. [[User:G36Ghost|G36Ghost]] 18:27, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

== New gameplay, New guns ==

If you look at this gameplay footage here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxTXv4SbEZ4&feature=related

You can see a couple new guns (A shotgun and what I think is a DShK machine gun), plus a grenade (Which looks like an M26) - [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 18:27, 21 February 2012 (CST)

The shotgun looks like it could be either a Mossberg 500 Mariner or a Remington 870 Marine Magnum, with a ribbed barrel and a accessory rail mounted ontop of the reciever. You get a good look at the ejection port at 4:37 of the video. What is interesting is, the sling is wrapped around the reciever despite it having full stock as the ingame icon shows.

Also in the video, if you pause really quickly at 0:07, the AK looks different. The wooden furniture looks more pale than in the E3 trailer, also the magazine is different in that there were vertical lines going up and down on the magazine in the E3 trailer but now the lines are going horizontal; a good shot of this is at 0:19 when the player reloads, look between the player's hand and the reciever of the gun and you'll see.

As for the DShK, I'm not sure but it looks like it to me. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 22:02, 21 February 2012 (CST)

The shotgun appears to be a Remington 870, the handguard is wrong for a Mossberg and the ejection port matches the Remington as well. As for the heavy machine gun, I'm going to say DShK as well. Saw a lot more of the customized AK-103 as well, as well as HE-Frag hand grenades, either M67's or M26's. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:25, 21 February 2012 (CST)

New trailer. Somewhat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGrWuw5CEgM&feature=plcp&context=C41236b0VDvjVQa1PpcFNiqixtTbtxFd1-Gkazt_wHZG5RBOCYPLk%3D

You can see a Vz.61 Skorpion at 1:36 and a blink-and-you-miss-it shot of some unknown gun at 1:47. A TDI Vector maybe? -- Long Fallen 18:42, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

Shows the barrel-end of a TDI Vector during the middle of a reload animation. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 19:23, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

I managed to get a screenshot of a gun at about 2:14, seriously hard to see though.

Check this out:

[http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/084/f/e/far_cry_3_unknown_gun_by_timaman-d4tveo7.png]

No idea what it could be, but it shows that at least one gun is on aftermarket ironsights. Lets hope they don't do a CoD Black Ops and put them on every smg and rifle in the game. [[User:Timaman|Timaman]] 10:40, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

-- My money's on the TDI Vector shown earlier in the video, check the spent brass... looks like .45 ACP to me. Definitely not an AR, that's what I thought at first. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 19:55, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

At the end of that video it shows a Type 10 flare gun as a preorder bonus. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:54, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

[http://www.gametrailers.com/video/teamplay-interview-far-cry-3/728785] New gameplay trailer, some new guns in there. Spotted a Makarov PM, PP-19 Bizon, some M4 variant, and what looks like an Ultimax 100. Also, another pre-order bonus offers a "skinned M700" (Remington 700 with camo probably, and some screenshots depict a SPAS-12, Mini-14, Remington 700, and a rather odd looking MP5 being used.
[http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_280646_thumb_wide620.jpg]
[http://cdn.medialib.computerandvideogames.com/screens/screenshot_280649_thumb_wide620.jpg]
[http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/118/1188467/far-cry-3-20110817104323708_640w.jpg]
[http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/122/1222265/far-cry-3-20120404085727938_640w.jpg]

== Multiplayer gameplay New Weapons ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-jo-AX_7V4] --[[User:Mateogala|Mateogala]] 06:26, 6 April 2012 (CDT)

There's an icon of an MG that I'm unsure of at about 1:18. A KAC maybe? [[User:Jimmoy|Jimmoy]] 11:48, 14 April 2012 (CDT)
:I agree. Also, at 1:26... Makarov 6P9? [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 17:12, 14 April 2012 (CDT)

There's some new guns in the screenshots below. Not sure what that first LMG is, but in the second screenshot, that looks like a FAMAS G2. It doesn't seem to have the larger trigger guard though:
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/i403204-8/far-cry-3-multiplayer-far-cry-3-multiplayer.html#a375541

:The machine gun in the first image is a PKM with an RIS and a different muzzle break. [[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 21:54, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

:Has everyone forgotten about this page? There have been numerous weapons in the trailers after the last edit.--[[User:Speo16|Speo16]] ([[User talk:Speo16|talk]]) 16:07, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

== E3 has come, and with it comes more weapons ==

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731423

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/730867

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731397

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731100

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/730899 (kind of NSFW)

Nice variety of new weapons here. Don't know what that bolt action sniper rifle is in the first video however.

I was gonna put this down as a Daewoo K3 (or an M249) until I saw the STK Ultimax 100 Mk3. However it looked too big and had the stock so was not wanting to put it under either until someone else had had a look. Thanks -

[[File:6P9andMKG.jpg]]

Same video there's also a flame thrower as a secondary weapon. Doesn't look much like the LPO-50 or whatever from FC2 - 1:05

During the gameplay there seems to be an underslung grenade launcher on the SIG, I was just wondering if anyone could ID this. It could be the proper SIG 5040/5140 or perhaps an M203 if they are wanting it for other weapons and just reuse the model

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2012-far-cry-3/731513

A better look at the flamethrower, and an icon for a submachine gun that looks like a M4 Spectre at the 4:28 mark.

Could be an M4A1 or a HK416, looks too short to be a standard M4A1

[[File:M4A1side.jpg]]

It looks to have a monolithic-style upper receiver; notice how there's no seam where the receiver becomes the handguard. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:21, 7 June 2012 (CDT)

There are a few new trailers that have just been released I noticed quite a few new weapons in them. Definitely worth a look.

==Walkthrough==

The walkthrough is up on Game Anyone, as expected. Unlike the Max Payne 3 and Black Ops II leaks, the game has actually been released in Europe as far as I know and thus it's not against the rules to post screencaps or information. So far it appears that a .44 Magnum revolver is in the game, though I can't tell which one. There's also a SOCOM 16, correctly semi-auto. The Remington is listed as a 700. The flare gun is back, with a gold finish, and they added a recurve bow that can use explosive and flaming arrows. The flamethrower is back, but it looks like a fictional design. The starting shotgun purports to be a Baikal MP-133 (as the M133), though I can't tell if it's wrong. The in-game guidebook provides background on all weapons and sometimes justification for their purpose; the Kimbers were purchased to an exact specification for a private army, and Vaas (the villain) bought the Baikals in bulk. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 02:05, 29 November 2012 (EST)

It doesn't appear that the Makarov comes standard with the silencer; it's still got the first part attached to the gun, but you need to purchase the second part as an upgrade. Odd, but it does skip over the problem some games have where an addon turns the gun into a unique variant instead of just attaching something. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 02:47, 29 November 2012 (EST)

:It certainly isn't out in the UK yet (release is the 30th), so I'd hold your horses if I were you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:38, 29 November 2012 (EST)
:: Checked again. November 29th (today) is the Australian release date. Unfortunately, it'll probably take several years for anyone in Australia to save enough money to purchase a copy. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 19:32, 29 November 2012 (EST)

:::Well, I'm downloading my copy now despite Norton Antivirus' apparent dislike of Ubisoft's downloader, so we'll see. Though given video upload and encoding times, I doubt you'd get a release-day upload of a long game like this without either haxing being involved or the player having no clue what they're doing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:38, 30 November 2012 (EST)

::::I can tell you the flamethrower is still an LPO-50, they've just dressed it up; if you look at it on the pause menu you can see the ignitor cluster at the muzzle, the pistol grip, and the fuel tank selector. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:01, 30 November 2012 (EST)

== Weapons from the Wiki ==
These are pictures from the game's Wikia Page. I can't figure out how to post them on the main page, I can't remember how to post the pictures themselves. A lot of weapons posted on this page appear to be missing from the Wikia page but that's probably due to lack of updates. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 00:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)

'''Pistols'''

1911: The Kimber .45 in the game. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/1/16/Kimber_Warrior.jpg

.44 Magnum: Appears to be some kind of revolver, sorry for the bad quality. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/c/c1/Untitled5.png

There doesn't seem to be a page for the Desert Eagle.

'''Assault Rifles'''

P416: The HK 416 that appears ingame. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/d/d8/Untitled6.png

MS16: A modern version of a M1 Garand with a hideous camo job and the cocking handle appears to be on the wrong side or Jason is using one built for left handed people. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/0/0c/FarCry3_M1Garand.jpg

'''Sniper Rifles'''

M-700: A (possible) Remington 700 in game. http://images.wikia.com/farcry/images/8/85/Remington_M700.jpg

:I like how you refer to the [[Springfield Armory M1A|M1A]] as a modernized M1 Garand. You could just say M14. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 01:39, 30 November 2012 (EST)

I apologize about that. I wrote this section at 1 am where I'm at and I was very tired. I didn't see the magazine behind the player's hand and the Far Cry Wikia said that weapon was a Garand. --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 09:20, 30 November 2012 (EST)

== Anyone else really disappointed in the lack of weapon details? ==

For a game with otherwise a ton of effort put into it, why are almost all magazines empty? Why is the bolt on the left side of several weapons? Why does the M1887 not seem to be cocked on empty reload? And so on ....

Most of this could been done in less than an hour had they actually tried. What work is that of a few magazine textures? Instead half of the weapons are now unusable. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 10:10, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Aw wait, the bolts are on the left side of the weapons?! Which one? Damn it, I thought the developers learned their lessons about that crap. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 13:50, 30 November 2012 (EST)

I think the bolt of the Dragunov is on the left, but i am not certain as my copy of the game has not arrived yet, but i have clearly seen the M1A has a left-sided bolt. Ironically, it is also one of few box-magazine weapons that actually has visible rounds in the magazine when reloading.

And bizarrely enough, the AK-103 seems to have visible rounds when taking the magazine out of the weapon, but not when inserting a new one. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 17:45, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Looking at all the caps we got now, it doesn't look like any of them have the charging handle on the left side [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:47, 30 November 2012 (EST)

Vaas is holding a Glock like gun with an external hammer and is missing the things in the front to take down the slide [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:25, 2 December 2012 (EST)

== MP5 Handguard ==

The vented handguard seen on the MP5 is an actual aftermarket upgrade made by Heckler & Koch for MP5s/HK94s and can be seen for sale [http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5-HK94-Horizontal-Vented-Wide-Forearm-p1842.htm here]. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 15:51, 3 December 2012 (EST)

==416 might not be a 416==

I think we're jumping into conclusions that this is an HK416 solely on the face that the name of the rifle is called the P416. The rails and the lower receiver doesn't look like the 416 and there's actually an extra thing on the lower receiver that I've only see on POF AR-15s. Stocks, pistol grip and muzzle device aside, they look the same. Even the curved trigger guard is exactly the same. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 22:05, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Here's one to compare to the one in the game.

[[Image:POFAR-15.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]
[[Image:FC3-HK416-1.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:Yeah, that does look like it. The "extra thing" is a [http://www.knsprecisioninc.com/gun-parts-and-accessories/trigger-hammer-pins/m-p15-22-non-rotate-trigger-hammer-pins-gen-2-black.html KNS Precision non-rotating trigger hammer pin] set, it's a little bit of metal on each side that joins replacement trigger and hammer pins together and prevents them from rotating to decrease wear. They're also right with the title, the select fire version seems to be referred to as Patriot Ordinance Factory 416, POF416 or P416 (the semi-auto version being P415). Sneaky! [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:30, 4 December 2012 (EST)

Yeah, more like this one [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 08:27, 4 December 2012 (EST)

[[Image:POF416-15.jpg|thumb|none|700px|]]

:Well, that's a P415 (semi-auto), the ones I've uploaded are select-fire 416s according to POF's website. I've swapped the black one for a version with their NP3 silver finish on the upper and lower, but these also have the benefit of having the same handguard as the one in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 10:21, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Landmine handles ==

I think a possible, but slightly unlikely reason for the carrying handles could be that the handles could be used to remove landmines from the ground without the risk of detonating them, if the landmines need to be removed for whatever reason. - [[User:1morey]] December 4, 2012 11:49 AM (EST)
:Naw, usually mines are designed to be as difficult to remove as possible, since the whole point of a minefield is it is neither easy to pass without clearing or easy to clear without spending a really long time doing so and tying up a lot of resources. Ottawa-compliant mines either self-destruct or become inert over time. About the only use I could think of for them on a mine that small would be using them to apply pressure to the mine and twist it to push it into the ground without risking slipping and hitting the detonator, but then the easiest way to do that is to leave inserting the fuze and / or removing the mine's arming pin until after you've placed it. Also, the in-game mines are proximity fuzed, which means there's no way lifting handles would be of any use to anyone. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:03, 4 December 2012 (EST)

== Not an M40A5 ==

The M-700 in the game is a '''Remington 700 Export''', not an M40A5. The M40A5 has a flash suppressor, McMillan stock and does not have a front sight. The in-game rifle has a HS stock with cheek rest and a plain barrel. It lacks the rear iron sight, tho.
[[Image:700 XP.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 Export with Leupold Mark 4 scope and Harris LM-S bipod - .308 Winchester]]
[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 15:28, 7 December 2012 (EST)

:I was considering changing it (and have done), but the front end of the stock is rather bigger and squarer than the HS and looks more like it belongs on a McMillan, and I didn't realise there was a standard 700 variant with a detachable magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:30, 8 December 2012 (EST)

== MP5 rear sight ==

As far as I see this the rear sight is heavily influenced by the rear sights that you can find on the early MP5 prototypes, late HK STG CETME and G3 prototypes/early issue. --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 05:19, 8 December 2012 (EST)
:Actually, this had been bugging me because I knew I'd seen a sight almost exactly like it in another game, then I realised:
:[[Image:Homefront-QBZ-New.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:That seems the most likely source of it, someone on the dev team probably either played the game or saw an image and figured it'd look good on their MP5. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:39, 9 December 2012 (EST)
:: I think you are right but still, the sight looks extremely like the ones on the prototypes ( the triangular shape of the walls) just the position was shifted from the middle of the housing to the rear where today you find drum sights. --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 18:44, 9 December 2012 (EST)

==The mercenary's weapon load out ==

Just to nitpick, I wonder why none of the obviously more highly trained mercenaries not wearing more stuff like optics on their guns but really they act and sound just like the AK wielding thugs on the other island. I wish they programed them to act more professionally. Sam was even carrying an AK at one point. I thought they all carry the 416s to distinguish between the other guys. Would also be nice if they were carrying other "western" weapons like the MP5 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:20, 10 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Shooter (2007)

2012-06-04T22:58:47Z

Gtcsmc: /* Tactical action */

==Memphis' Glock==

-Memphis' piece could be a Glock 22, seeing is that is what an FBI agent would be using in real life and the barrel looks like it could be 10mm... at a glance atleast...?
It would make a lot of sense if it were a G22 which fires a .40 S&W round, a short 10mm.

I have explained before that just because the Glock 22 is what the FBI uses in real life does not mean that the prop gun used by Michael Pena is one. It is generally more common for blank pistols in Hollywood to be 9mm. Until evidence is presented to suggest otherwise, it's far more fair to assume this is a Glock 17. Also, Ryan Steacy, the armorer who worked on this movie, has posted on this page and corrected us when we said that the machine gun on the helicopter was a PKM (he also added more info about the Barrett M82, which can be seen above). He didn't correct us on the Glock model used, which suggests to me that we got it right. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

When the government agents try to force Memphis to commit suicide, there are some good shots of his Glock. One shot shows the bore diameter could possibly be .40. I no longer own this movie so I can't screencap it myself sadly. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Sorry I had to move your Glock input Gunmaster, but Glock and M203, sadly, do not mix. (GamerfreakB7)

==Pop-bottle suppressed .22 LR==

- There seems to be a bit of confusion about what exactly this weapon is. To add to the mix, it almost looks like a Winchester Model 60 Cooey. The tubular magazine and the shape of the safety knob at the back of the bolt are somewhat similar, not to mention the wood carving on the stock at the grip. It is virtually identical to my own Cooey.

It looks like a Marlin 781 or 981 to me.

has no one done the silenced steyr aug that swagger uses at the end, i would but i dont know how to do images
-no because it's an m4/ar15 variant

also the statement this is the only time swagger fires right handed is untrue as there is anothe shot on the page where he shoots right handed with the m40

== Quote by Weapons Coordinator ==

Someone removed the Quote by the films Weapon Co ordinator and I just reverted it. I did so because We as a site can't get better information than First hand from the people who supply the weapons used in film. What they have to say has alot of merit towards a film.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Spoilers not allowed==
I am removing the extra information that pretty much outlines the plot and twists in the movie unless it is completely unavoidable. It is not necessary to repeat the entire plot of the film for the viewer. It is NOT necessary for this page and completely irrelevant to the gun information on the page. MPM20008

:Okay I understand, MPM2008. Thanks for doing so.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== Left Handed and right handed shooting ==

Swagger naturally is right-handed. He shoots right until he is wounded in the RIGHT shoulder. Recoil from firearms hurts as it is. When you have a wounded shoulder, it REALLY hurts! Therefore, Swagger (a highly trained sniper) changes to left handed shooting (which Walberg naturally is) for the duration of the movie. There are certain times in the movie (namely the farm shootout) Swagger had to shoot right handed, in order to be tactically correct and keep most of his body undercover. He made two shots righthanded, he probably just sucked it up and took the pain. For the most part, Swagger shoots left handed because of a wounded right shoulder. When a tactical situation called for it, he shot right. But in the end, Bob Lee Swagger is right handed. The writers wrote in an injury to make things easier for Mark Walberg (a lefty) to protray. Easier to go with what you know. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

I think you are a bit off there. After he is released and he goes to the nighttime cabin he is still shooting left handed. You would think that a bullet wound would have healed by that time. [[User:bristow8411|bristow8411]]

== BULLET FLIGHT TIME ==

I'm a gun nut, and it frustrates me that with all the technical assistance and knowledge available to the moviemakers, they still don't get it right. When presented with the details of the required shot at the beginning by Glover, Whalberg replies that it could be a 6 - 10 sec bullet flight time for a shot about 1.5 miles. Well at 6 secs, the bullet would have a muzzle velocity of 1000fps. Later in the film, the shot distance is mentioned at 2000 yds, and using the gun in the film to make this shot, that flight time for the projectile would have been about 2.14secs. How can they miscalculate that easy one!?

:Because then they'd also show the way a round at that range would *actually* hit: straight down to blow the dude to literal pieces.

yea the USMC sniper saying about that is that even true? -scarecrow

:Yes. Bullets follow a parabolic path when fired. That means you'd have to compensate when firing at range (ie, aiming higher than the actual target to account for this) which means that the bullet would eventually come arcing pointing downwards into the top of the target's head. And seeing as how this is a large-caliber round...

== M203 ==

did anyone else notice at the begining, when swagger is covering the troops, that the distance to the target was 870 yards, yet a minute later we see swaggers spotter firing his m203 and hitting a parked car, now i think that the range for a single shot grenade launcher is a bit unrealistic. never the less more tactically sound than most and still a good film.

I was watching shooter on my iPod (again) and noticed a discrepancy with Donnie Fenn's M203: Its trigger guard is TOTALLY SQUARED in the back. I went and watched it on my computer to be sure and I was right, so this means that they used a CM203 39mm Flare Launcher instead of an M203 Grenade Launcher. (GamerfreakB7)

40 MM ERLP rounds have a range of 880 yds (burnrate)

== Sniper Rifle Tripod ==

In the assassination scene the gun used to kill the guy next to the President is on a remote control tripod. Does anyone know what kind of stand this is, and would it still take a highly trained shooter to take this shoot considering the technology being used?--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 08:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The Remote control sniper weapom is the Precision Remotes Telepresent Rapid-Aiming Platform (TRAP). It's basically a computer-operated weapon platform that holds a standard rifle. Think Mars Rover holding a CheyTac M200. (GamerfreakB7)

http://precisionremotes.com/ground-mount.php

I wouldn't let ''anyone'' take the shot unless it had been set and calibrated by an experienced shooter. Long range shooting has a lot of variables involved: wind speed and direction (which can vary downrange, and moreso in an urban environment), elevation of the shooter relative to the target, local weather (temperature and humidity), to name but a few. There are ballistics software programs that can take a lot of the guesswork out of the equation, but the more data you have the more accurate the prediction will be. An experienced shooter would be able to factor in a lot of the above variables within a short space of time. Note early in the film before the hit he was checking a lot of this on the location. ''Wraith''

== uniforms ==

i know this isnt about guns but the uniform that swagger and his spotter wear while covering the contractors looks like army ucp pattern rather than marine marpat wondering if anyone else noticed.
:your right, they were ACUs, not the MARPAT. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

marines contracted to the US army O_o

From some conversations with retired military personnel, snipers often have a lot of leeway in the uniforms they wear in the field. It depends on the military service but some have the option of choosing a pattern that better reflects their environment. In that location Swagger and his spotter thought that ACU made a better base pattern that MARPAT, and their CO allowed them to do this. I have heard of some odd pattern combinations being used, such as US Desert 6-color chock-chip pattern being used with UK DPM jacket, Italian WW2 pattern smocks (also used by the Waffen-SS) with AusCam pants, knock-off US Woodland, surplus German Flektern, and so on. Some extra uniforms on hand are cheaper than losing a trained sniper team that were found because of a camo pattern that didn't quite match the environment. Or, MARPAT was not available to the production crew so they used ACU because it was what they had. ''Wraith''

Unless we can talk to someone in the production of the movie, the uniforms are either a mistake in costuming or an effort to show snipers in the field using what they thought was best for the operation. ''Wraith''

== Trivia ==

When Swagger and FBI agent Memphis go to Tennessee to the home of Swaggers friend, the expert on shooting and ballistics (played by former drummer for The Band Levon Helm), the wife of Swagger's friend is played by actress Rebecca Toolan, who played the mother of FBI Agent Fox Mulder from seasons 1-7, the character being killed off in 2000, season 7, Mulder's last full season on the show.-[[Harleyguy|Harleyguy]]

== Gun in ranch ==

what is the rifle that swagger uses during the ranch is it still the .22 or did he pickup a 2nd remington 700

I believe it's in a deleted scene, but Swagger has Memphis buy two rifles. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

thanks love this site hopefully im learning enough to contribute eventually

I've found it considerably easier to create a .txt file with a basic page template, then using it for any new additions/creations and copying it over to the site. Just remember not to save over the original .txt file, might be a pain in the butt the next time. Also, marking who you are, even if your just an IP right now is always nice for other people. Use this: <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or the little square second from the right above where you type. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:43, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

in the movie shooter the guy with the unidentfied pistol is proberbly a BERETTA M92SB with a shorter barrel. the way you can tell is the trigger guard is rounded instead of crested at the front of trigger guard.

==Unidentified Pistols==

The second one is a Beretta 92FS, the first one tucked into the guys pants looks like some kind of Sig-Sauer.--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

== Tactical action ==

When Swagger changes M4A1 magazines during the running gunfight, he pulls back the charge handle when all he should have to do is push the slide release to chamber the next round. I think this is correct.

There can be a number of reasons for this. One is that he want to follow the charging handle down to assure the bolt locks. Just using the slide release could result in a jam and he wouldnt know until he pulled the trigger costing seconds if not more. I for one do the butt stock slap to load the first round of a new magazine...not tactical...just looks cool.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 23:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

For all of us not "in the know" what is the deal with this stock slap? [[Special:Contributions/98.237.107.108|98.237.107.108]] 06:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Next time you are playin around with a AR-15 and you load a fresh mag in to a open chambered action...give the back of the butt a firm flat handed slap...and see what happens.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Will do. [[Special:Contributions/166.137.11.187|166.137.11.187]] 02:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

If I remember, a casing ejects when he pulls the charging handle. I think he was just clearing a jam. I don't think he even changed the mag, just reinserted the same one. --[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 17:58, 4 June 2012 (CDT)

== Swagger's CheyTac ==

The reason Swagger is holding the rifle with his left hand is because he got shot on the right side. He switches to a left-handed shooting stance for every weapon after that.

as stated above multiple times, and sign you posts with four ~ at the end [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Anyone else notice the tape on the 870? ==

The last image for the 870, where the bad guy is holding it on the girl, the foreend is taped back, as well as the grip is taped to the baddie's hand. Why would they tape the foreend back? For safety or what?

http://www.imfdb.org/images/2/2c/S-Remington-870-3.jpg

Not a clue. Strong duct tape would prevent the forend from moving; if it was forward, you would fire one shot and be stuck. If it was back, the gun would be unable to fire as long as the tape was on. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 23:44, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

In the film the tape is to hold the wire loop(?) which goes around the girl's neck to keep the muzzle pointed at her. In real life maybe a rubber stunt was not available or undesirable due to the closeness of (filming)shot - having the slide locked back would be a good way of preventing firing and allow you to see no round is chambered so they could safely use a live weapon. Or it's a mistake :) . --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 09:17, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== Swaggers M4 ==

I know this probably a stupid question, but does anyone know what happened to Bobs M4 after he uses it to crack the gas line? It's been on my mind a while and it's bugging me.--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 21:06, 10 June 2011 (CDT)

Wanted

2012-01-08T00:20:15Z

Gtcsmc: fixed typo

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Gtcsmc: Fixed the latin translation of "teneo vestrus vox"

Talk:Lethal Weapon 3

2012-01-04T18:16:09Z

Gtcsmc: /* Cobray M11/9 Quote */

The cover also shows him with the extended slide release. Is this another mistake? I think MPM might have got his tags mixed up again. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==tags==
MT2008 fixed my tags. After the first upload I haven't touched the Beretta descriptions. Instead yielding to those with better eyes than I have... So please talk to MT2008 [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
I'm pretty sure the gun used to pistol whip Smitty isnt real; the screw on the grip is in the wrong place and theres no red dot on the safety lever. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 01:13, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

==Unidentified revolver==
Can anyone identify the revolver used by the armoured car thief. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:LW3_-_Revolver.png|thumb|none|600px|The thief shoots the real armoured car driver in the leg with his revlover.]]

[[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]. BTW, it was good of you to upload a pic, but next time, make sure it's in .JPG format. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:- I have uploaded a separate new version of that pic without the letterbox borders and in .JPG format. If it's alright, we can replace your pic with it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:- I've done the section with the .JPG, but I will point out that .PNG's are allowed. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 22:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:LW3-SW686.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Piercing 9mm rounds ==
Reading this article got me to thinking again about Armor Piercing 9mm rounds. I'm guessing they're talking about the 7N31 or 7N21 rounds developed in Russia. You can read about it here http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg61-e.htm. Are there any military forces that use this type of ammunition, or is it still in the trial phase, or nobody just uses it? Also, even though yes, it is a 9mm, would it work in any 9mm gun or is there any type of special modifications needed to use the round? Thoughts? --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::Armor-piercing 9x19mm ammunition is used by defense agencies to test armor for effectiveness. The 7N21 rounds are over-pressure rounds combining the 9x19mm Parabellum case dimensions with the bullet design of the 9x21mm Gyurza ammunition; a high-pressure load combined with a tempered-steel core bullet. It is the standard ammunition used in the Yarygin PYa, MR-443 Grach which is the Russian military sidearm. The Gyurza was designed for use in the SR-2 Veresk, a Russian compact SMG which I believe was developed for special operations and police use. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]]

==Pictures 1 and 2 in the 92FS section==
These aren't the same gun. You can clearly see on the slide that the first gun has slots in the slide for the safety whereas the second, when Riggs is demonstrating the armor-piercing ammo, is smooth across. However, in some of the later scenes it seems to switch back.
:The 92F has a slot for the safety/decocker only on the left side, the right side is smooth on all of them.

==Picture 3 in the 92FS section==
In the picture where Mel Gibson is holding a Beretta and his badge, that is most certainly not his normal Beretta. It's definitely a Inox model. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

- No way. The end of the gun in that screencap is clearly not stainless. The daylight hitting the rest of the gun makes it look a bit brighter on that particular picture, but it's still his regular Beretta, and not a stainless Inox - It has the proper blued-steel 'black' look in alternate angles during that same sequence. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you say so. I haven't seen this movie in a while, so I really don't remember it in that much detail. But I see what you're talking about, so it's quite possible that I'm just mistaken. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson 629? ==

Travis's Model 29 is stainless, shouldn't it be a 629 then?
I assumed thats what a 629 is. Same goes for the 586 and 686.

- The 629 and 686 are the stainless versions of the blue-steel 29 and 586 respectively, yes. However, that is not the case here. More lighting tricks I'm afraid. Seems to be common on this film (or at least, on the the screenshots for this page). Both revolvers Travis uses are blue-steel guns, and not stainless. On the pictures of the 29, the light gives it a shine that makes it appear stainless. But the gun is certainly a regular Model 29 - It's more obviously shown as a 'black' blue-steel gun throughout the rest of the film..

The 586, however, is even more obviously a blue steel gun - It's not as silver as Capt Murphy's (Kahan's) Model 60, as shown in this pic -
[[Image:LW3 021.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Murphy gives up his Smith & Wesson Model 60 to Travis. Note the stainless Model 60 has the strong 'silver' color of a stainless gun, whereas the blue-steel 586 Travis uses does not.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 13:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Cobray M11/9 Quote ==

Lorna's Quote on the 'Mac 10' can it be added to the quotes on the main page?

:- I suppose it could, but I myself would be against posting it since part of it is inaccurate. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah since it's incorrect, it really shouldn't be used. I hate even seeing the ones with "clip" in them. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:::At least it has a sesame seed bun --[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 12:15, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:Lethal Weapon 3

2012-01-04T18:15:53Z

Gtcsmc: /* Cobray M11/9 Quote */

The cover also shows him with the extended slide release. Is this another mistake? I think MPM might have got his tags mixed up again. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==tags==
MT2008 fixed my tags. After the first upload I haven't touched the Beretta descriptions. Instead yielding to those with better eyes than I have... So please talk to MT2008 [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
I'm pretty sure the gun used to pistol whip Smitty isnt real; the screw on the grip is in the wrong place and theres no red dot on the safety lever. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 01:13, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

==Unidentified revolver==
Can anyone identify the revolver used by the armoured car thief. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 14:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:LW3_-_Revolver.png|thumb|none|600px|The thief shoots the real armoured car driver in the leg with his revlover.]]

[[Smith & Wesson Model 686]]. BTW, it was good of you to upload a pic, but next time, make sure it's in .JPG format. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

:- I have uploaded a separate new version of that pic without the letterbox borders and in .JPG format. If it's alright, we can replace your pic with it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:- I've done the section with the .JPG, but I will point out that .PNG's are allowed. [[User:Stephenf1234|Stephenf1234]] 22:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:LW3-SW686.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

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[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Armor Piercing 9mm rounds ==
Reading this article got me to thinking again about Armor Piercing 9mm rounds. I'm guessing they're talking about the 7N31 or 7N21 rounds developed in Russia. You can read about it here http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg61-e.htm. Are there any military forces that use this type of ammunition, or is it still in the trial phase, or nobody just uses it? Also, even though yes, it is a 9mm, would it work in any 9mm gun or is there any type of special modifications needed to use the round? Thoughts? --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 20:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
::Armor-piercing 9x19mm ammunition is used by defense agencies to test armor for effectiveness. The 7N21 rounds are over-pressure rounds combining the 9x19mm Parabellum case dimensions with the bullet design of the 9x21mm Gyurza ammunition; a high-pressure load combined with a tempered-steel core bullet. It is the standard ammunition used in the Yarygin PYa, MR-443 Grach which is the Russian military sidearm. The Gyurza was designed for use in the SR-2 Veresk, a Russian compact SMG which I believe was developed for special operations and police use. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]]

==Pictures 1 and 2 in the 92FS section==
These aren't the same gun. You can clearly see on the slide that the first gun has slots in the slide for the safety whereas the second, when Riggs is demonstrating the armor-piercing ammo, is smooth across. However, in some of the later scenes it seems to switch back.
:The 92F has a slot for the safety/decocker only on the left side, the right side is smooth on all of them.

==Picture 3 in the 92FS section==
In the picture where Mel Gibson is holding a Beretta and his badge, that is most certainly not his normal Beretta. It's definitely a Inox model. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

- No way. The end of the gun in that screencap is clearly not stainless. The daylight hitting the rest of the gun makes it look a bit brighter on that particular picture, but it's still his regular Beretta, and not a stainless Inox - It has the proper blued-steel 'black' look in alternate angles during that same sequence. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
::If you say so. I haven't seen this movie in a while, so I really don't remember it in that much detail. But I see what you're talking about, so it's quite possible that I'm just mistaken. Thanks for clearing that up. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:24, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson 629? ==

Travis's Model 29 is stainless, shouldn't it be a 629 then?
I assumed thats what a 629 is. Same goes for the 586 and 686.

- The 629 and 686 are the stainless versions of the blue-steel 29 and 586 respectively, yes. However, that is not the case here. More lighting tricks I'm afraid. Seems to be common on this film (or at least, on the the screenshots for this page). Both revolvers Travis uses are blue-steel guns, and not stainless. On the pictures of the 29, the light gives it a shine that makes it appear stainless. But the gun is certainly a regular Model 29 - It's more obviously shown as a 'black' blue-steel gun throughout the rest of the film..

The 586, however, is even more obviously a blue steel gun - It's not as silver as Capt Murphy's (Kahan's) Model 60, as shown in this pic -
[[Image:LW3 021.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Murphy gives up his Smith & Wesson Model 60 to Travis. Note the stainless Model 60 has the strong 'silver' color of a stainless gun, whereas the blue-steel 586 Travis uses does not.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 13:43, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== Cobray M11/9 Quote ==

Lorna's Quote on the 'Mac 10' can it be added to the quotes on the main page?

:- I suppose it could, but I myself would be against posting it since part of it is inaccurate. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah since it's incorrect, it really shouldn't be used. I hate even seeing the ones with "clip" in them. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
:::At least it has a sesame seed bun--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 12:15, 4 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:Lethal Weapon 4

2012-01-04T18:13:50Z

Gtcsmc: /* AWB Poster */

That poster in the police office is insulting and stupid, as it says "All CIVILIAN assault weapons should be banned", and then shows four civilian guns that are considered "assault weapons". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yes, take those out. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Type 56-1==
Note: Not an AK-47 as originally thought, not with the folding stock, and considering the fact that the sight was most likely hooded, it must be a Type 56-1.

:I don't think it's a Type 56. The Type 56-2 (which is the version with the side-folding stock) has a different stock design than that. The Type 56 also retains the smooth receiver cover of the older AK-47 models (as opposed to the strengthened ribbed design of the AKM), but that rifle looks like it might have a ribbed one. East German MPiKMs ''do'' have stocks that look like that and ribbed receiver covers, so I'm guessing it might be one of those. I would need to see the front sight, as well as the receiver, in better detail to figure out whether it's a Type 56.

::It's either an East German or Romanian side folding stock. It has to be an AKM, not a Type 56, because the side folding stocks don't fit on the Chinese receivers. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1]]
[[Image:Type56-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]

==AKM==
:This one is a Type 56 with the "pig sticker" removed (though the front sight still has the mount for it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Are you sure? I thought it was an AKM because of the slanted muzzle. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Plenty of Chinese Type 56s have slant muzzle breaks. Look at the picture on my user page and you can see that my own Chinese AK has one. If it has the wider .75" front sight, it's a Type 56. Also, the mounting for the pig sticker beneath the front sight is unique to the Type 56. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== AWB Poster ==
[[Image:LWAWB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Uzi|Uzi Carbine]], [[Micro Uzi|Uzi Pistol]], [[Heckler & Koch HK94]], and an [[Heckler & Koch SP89]] are all on the poster.]]
::^BOO! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Haha lol agreed! Even though they are cops and have to deal with getting shot at every day. But still: 16 inch barrels and 15 round magazines? Come on. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::::Reminds me of a poster I saw in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::::::Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::In the film ''[[Assassins]]'' an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::::Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::In the commentary he said that he hated the NRA because they became political. His displeasure was due to the NRA opposing the outlawing of armor piercing ammo. However, my understanding was that the NRA opposed a poorly written law and helped write the one in place, and Donner is just an idiot who doesn't check stuff before making accusations.--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 04:50, 21 December 2011 (CST)
::::Here's a link to the NRA's explanation. [http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=25&issue=005]

I remember watching something with Danny Glover stating that the "end Apartheid" sticker on his fridge in LL1 was his idea, not a bad idea considering how broad the audience is [[Special:Contributions/174.54.108.189|174.54.108.189]] 23:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Beretta 92FS ==

I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle,
because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.

But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again,
Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.

==AKMS==
'''[moved from main]'''--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

:This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44
:::Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -[[User:sigger9mm|sigger9mm]]
:::: There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp

== Laser Grips ==

So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.187.78|129.89.187.78]] 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)

Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?
[[Image:LW92floor.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==Riggs' Beretta==
In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in [[Die Hard 2]] and [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]], but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. [[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]]--[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Interesting, I didn't read about that. --[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Firing under water? ==

Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I just asked this very question on the Mythbusters forum. Guess we'll find out one way or another. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

::I'm no expert but I think it's like this. Firing is the easy part, cycling though, that might be a problem, but the largest problem is the density of water. Seeing as how water is (I think) 1000 times more dense than air, the bullet would only be lethal for a short distance, shorter than 5 feet(or was it yards?).--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems in that scene then as the muzzle is jammed right in Jet Li's gut. I'd like to see the Mythbusters tackle some of the stories on the reliability of the AK, specifically one I heard about a Green Beret being able to chamber and fire a round without cleaning an AK that had been under a decomposing VC body in Vietnam. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:16, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Lethal Weapon 4

2011-12-21T10:50:58Z

Gtcsmc: /* AWB Poster */

That poster in the police office is insulting and stupid, as it says "All CIVILIAN assault weapons should be banned", and then shows four civilian guns that are considered "assault weapons". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yes, take those out. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Type 56-1==
Note: Not an AK-47 as originally thought, not with the folding stock, and considering the fact that the sight was most likely hooded, it must be a Type 56-1.

:I don't think it's a Type 56. The Type 56-2 (which is the version with the side-folding stock) has a different stock design than that. The Type 56 also retains the smooth receiver cover of the older AK-47 models (as opposed to the strengthened ribbed design of the AKM), but that rifle looks like it might have a ribbed one. East German MPiKMs ''do'' have stocks that look like that and ribbed receiver covers, so I'm guessing it might be one of those. I would need to see the front sight, as well as the receiver, in better detail to figure out whether it's a Type 56.

::It's either an East German or Romanian side folding stock. It has to be an AKM, not a Type 56, because the side folding stocks don't fit on the Chinese receivers. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1]]
[[Image:Type56-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]

==AKM==
:This one is a Type 56 with the "pig sticker" removed (though the front sight still has the mount for it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Are you sure? I thought it was an AKM because of the slanted muzzle. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Plenty of Chinese Type 56s have slant muzzle breaks. Look at the picture on my user page and you can see that my own Chinese AK has one. If it has the wider .75" front sight, it's a Type 56. Also, the mounting for the pig sticker beneath the front sight is unique to the Type 56. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== AWB Poster ==
[[Image:LWAWB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Uzi|Uzi Carbine]], [[Micro Uzi|Uzi Pistol]], [[Heckler & Koch HK94]], and an [[Heckler & Koch SP89]] are all on the poster.]]
::^BOO! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Haha lol agreed! Even though they are cops and have to deal with getting shot at every day. But still: 16 inch barrels and 15 round magazines? Come on. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::::Reminds me of a poster I saw in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::::::Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::In the film ''[[Assassins]]'' an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::::Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::In the commentary he said that he hated the NRA because they became political. His displeasure was due to the NRA opposing the outlawing of armor piercing ammo. However, my understanding was that the NRA opposed a poorly written law and helped write the one in place, and Donner is just an idiot who doesn't check stuff before making accusations.--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 04:50, 21 December 2011 (CST)
I remember watching something with Danny Glover stating that the "end Apartheid" sticker on his fridge in LL1 was his idea, not a bad idea considering how broad the audience is [[Special:Contributions/174.54.108.189|174.54.108.189]] 23:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Beretta 92FS ==

I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle,
because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.

But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again,
Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.

==AKMS==
'''[moved from main]'''--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

:This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44
:::Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -[[User:sigger9mm|sigger9mm]]
:::: There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp

== Laser Grips ==

So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.187.78|129.89.187.78]] 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)

Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?
[[Image:LW92floor.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==Riggs' Beretta==
In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in [[Die Hard 2]] and [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]], but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. [[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]]--[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Interesting, I didn't read about that. --[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Firing under water? ==

Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I just asked this very question on the Mythbusters forum. Guess we'll find out one way or another. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

::I'm no expert but I think it's like this. Firing is the easy part, cycling though, that might be a problem, but the largest problem is the density of water. Seeing as how water is (I think) 1000 times more dense than air, the bullet would only be lethal for a short distance, shorter than 5 feet(or was it yards?).--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems in that scene then as the muzzle is jammed right in Jet Li's gut. I'd like to see the Mythbusters tackle some of the stories on the reliability of the AK, specifically one I heard about a Green Beret being able to chamber and fire a round without cleaning an AK that had been under a decomposing VC body in Vietnam. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:16, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Lethal Weapon 4

2011-12-21T10:48:16Z

Gtcsmc: /* AWB Poster */

That poster in the police office is insulting and stupid, as it says "All CIVILIAN assault weapons should be banned", and then shows four civilian guns that are considered "assault weapons". - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:Yes, take those out. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

==Type 56-1==
Note: Not an AK-47 as originally thought, not with the folding stock, and considering the fact that the sight was most likely hooded, it must be a Type 56-1.

:I don't think it's a Type 56. The Type 56-2 (which is the version with the side-folding stock) has a different stock design than that. The Type 56 also retains the smooth receiver cover of the older AK-47 models (as opposed to the strengthened ribbed design of the AKM), but that rifle looks like it might have a ribbed one. East German MPiKMs ''do'' have stocks that look like that and ribbed receiver covers, so I'm guessing it might be one of those. I would need to see the front sight, as well as the receiver, in better detail to figure out whether it's a Type 56.

::It's either an East German or Romanian side folding stock. It has to be an AKM, not a Type 56, because the side folding stocks don't fit on the Chinese receivers. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-1]]
[[Image:Type56-2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Norinco Type 56-2 (side-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]

==AKM==
:This one is a Type 56 with the "pig sticker" removed (though the front sight still has the mount for it). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Are you sure? I thought it was an AKM because of the slanted muzzle. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Plenty of Chinese Type 56s have slant muzzle breaks. Look at the picture on my user page and you can see that my own Chinese AK has one. If it has the wider .75" front sight, it's a Type 56. Also, the mounting for the pig sticker beneath the front sight is unique to the Type 56. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== AWB Poster ==
[[Image:LWAWB.jpg|thumb|none|450px|[[Uzi|Uzi Carbine]], [[Micro Uzi|Uzi Pistol]], [[Heckler & Koch HK94]], and an [[Heckler & Koch SP89]] are all on the poster.]]
::^BOO! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Haha lol agreed! Even though they are cops and have to deal with getting shot at every day. But still: 16 inch barrels and 15 round magazines? Come on. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

::::Reminds me of a poster I saw in ''[[16 Blocks]]'' showing an infant handling an M1911A1 and spouting some anti-gun statistics about the rate of children getting killed from playing with guns. I decided to exclude it from the article due to the controversy the AWB poster in this film has created. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, you can see that poster right next to the AWB poster in that screenshot. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I wish someone would say to them "I don't know if you know this, but there is this really cool thing called the Second Amendment!" -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 03:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::A little fun fact, despite the posters claim that "A Child a day is killed by a handgun" and other bullshit claims of the period that stated 10 children a day die from all forms a gun violence, FBI records state that less than 100 kids die from gun violence each year. A sad number yet still far below that claimed by the anti-gun groups. Apparently the gun control movement is fond of large numbers of dead children so long as it serves their goal. By the way, thank you to whoever pulled this off of the main article. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
::::::::Those AWB posters appear in all of Richard Donner's films. I guess since he makes films with lots of gun violence, those posters will make it all better. - [[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::The other thing you'll see in Donner's films are posters about how evil wearing fur is. He used to have posters attacking South Africa and apartheid until the goverment got rid of that policy and freed Mandella. Then those posters went away. Donner is an idiot. Or perhaps the posters are more the idea of his wife Laura. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::If I'm not mistaken, in Lethal Weapon 1, the Murtaugh's have an "end Apartheid" magnet on their refrigerator [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::In the film ''[[Assassins]]'' an anti-NRA poster is seen several times on the side of a bus and a woman wearing a fur coat has a red circle with a line through it painted on the back. Donner is really not very subtle. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:No Donner isn't very subtle. On the LW4 dvd commentary, he says he puts those in his films to "put the message out". He also said he couldn't understand why he would get complaints from real police officers about the ban NRA posters. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
::How the hell could someone make a Lethal Weapon movie while being anti-gun? The movie contradicts the AWB message. That's just silly. In a bad way.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Wow, a director who sticks anti-gun posters in a movie full of shootouts and weaponry? What next, anti-car posters on an episode of Top Gear? [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]
::::Or maybe a Michael Bay film without explosions? - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 21:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::In the commentary he said that he hated the NRA because the became political. The particular issue this was over was that the NRA was against the outlawing of armor piercing ammo. However, my understanding was that the law was poorly written, and Donner is just an idiot who doesn't check stuff before making accusations.--[[User:Gtcsmc|Gtcsmc]] 04:48, 21 December 2011 (CST)
I remember watching something with Danny Glover stating that the "end Apartheid" sticker on his fridge in LL1 was his idea, not a bad idea considering how broad the audience is [[Special:Contributions/174.54.108.189|174.54.108.189]] 23:56, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

== Beretta 92FS ==

I figured Martin Riggs got another Beretta 92FS for the final battle,
because he doesn't use the Laser Sight after his gun was dis-assembled.

But, I suppose it's possible to simply put the gun back together again,
Although, I doubt the gun was recovered after the House burnt down.

==AKMS==
'''[moved from main]'''--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

:This is definitely either an East German MPi-KMS, or another AKM variant fitted with the East German-style folding stock. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::Is shooting the AKMS underwater impossible? -Sdawg44
:::Well since they actually did it in the movie, I'm assuming it is. After soaking under water so long, the powder in the bullets would be too damp to fire, so they must have submerged immediately before firing the gun. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::Ammunition is fairly waterproof so the powder would be safe for a while. Any gun will fire once underwater but its unclear if it would fire full auto as is depicted in this movie. -[[User:sigger9mm|sigger9mm]]
:::: There is few videos of guns firing semi and full auto underwater. Although there is no AKMS among them, i found a hk416, glock, and Sphinx pistol shooting and reloading just fine. And there is a two guns constructed especially to shooting underwater based on AK, so i thin it is very possible with Ak reliability. Ripp

== Laser Grips ==

So I was just looking through a catalog of CTC laser grips, and I noticed that the laser activation button is attached to the CTC grips, specifically on the front of the butt, meaning that it seems like the only way the laser could activate is if the gun was fitted with the CTC grips, not just the activation button. So how could Riggs be using these laser grips when it is clear that his Beretta has the standard Beretta grips on them? I mean, when you look at the shot of his Beretta on the ground in Murtaugh's house, you can see the laser is attached to the grips, but you also see that it has the standard Beretta grips in the shot where Jet Li takes his gun apart. Does anyone know how this could've worked? -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 00:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Could it have been a Lasermax laser sight? The laser comes out of the same spot as it did in the movie but the activation switch is on the takedown lever therefore allowing Riggs to keep the normal grips.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.187.78|129.89.187.78]] 21:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC) (thePotShot)

Definitely Lasermax laser device. The sight is definitely fixed under the barrel replacing the recoil guide rod. Not CTC laser grips. The light on CTC grips originate from the grips. Unless my catalog is completely wrong?
[[Image:LW92floor.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
In the image above it looks the the laser is on the grips. Note the bulge on the top of the grip. But I thought CTC grips wrapped complety around the front of the frame? So maybe it's some different maker or early model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

==Riggs' Beretta==
In the picture of the Riggs' Beretta 92FS is written that it's the same gun used in [[Die Hard 2]] and [[Die Hard with a Vengeance]], but this can't be true, because the Beretta Bruce Willis used in Die Hard was lefthanded, this one is a common righthanded. Here's the original Beretta used by Willis; http://www.originalprop.com/blog/movie-guns/die-hard/. [[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]]--[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 14:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
:The mag release can be swapped back to right handed and there is more than one gun used. (www.originalprop.com states that the one shown is one of four used) Here is a discussion about the DH and LW Berettas. http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Talk:Beretta_92_pistol_series#Die_Hard_and_Lethal_Weapon --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:57, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Interesting, I didn't read about that. --[[User:Funzi159|Funzi159]] 19:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== Firing under water? ==

Can an AK be fire under water like in the movie? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

:I just asked this very question on the Mythbusters forum. Guess we'll find out one way or another. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

::I'm no expert but I think it's like this. Firing is the easy part, cycling though, that might be a problem, but the largest problem is the density of water. Seeing as how water is (I think) 1000 times more dense than air, the bullet would only be lethal for a short distance, shorter than 5 feet(or was it yards?).--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:50, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

No problems in that scene then as the muzzle is jammed right in Jet Li's gut. I'd like to see the Mythbusters tackle some of the stories on the reliability of the AK, specifically one I heard about a Green Beret being able to chamber and fire a round without cleaning an AK that had been under a decomposing VC body in Vietnam. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 06:16, 7 April 2011 (CDT)