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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

2019-07-20T12:06:27Z

Forrest1985: /* Raw multiplayer footage */

Looks like MagPul MS4 slings on those MCXs, so far the general design, animations, weapons/gear look great, i can only hope that the gameplay doesn't feel too arcadey and a bit more realistic (mix of both) then i would buy another CoD since the MW trilogy and WAW days.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 08:26, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

== B&T APC556 ==

Hi guys,

I think I got most weapons but this one here is rather difficult. If you look at its side while the soldier is moving the receiver looks very flat and the only weapons coming to my mind being so flat is the B&T APC556.

What did you think? --[[User:Grasyl|Grasyl]] ([[User talk:Grasyl|talk]]) 09:02, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

[[File:Rrt877 codmw2019 unknowen rifle 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|APC556 held by an SAS Recon.]]
:Honestly, for firearms seen from such a distance/in small detail like this (it applies to a couple of weapons on the main page as well), it's better to wait for more content to come in future trailers instead of going ahead and speculating about literally every bit of weapon currently seen. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

== One more rifle from promo-material ==
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658085827084310/3.jpg
Any thoughts?
--[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 09:33, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:It's an HK433, just with an AAC Honey Badger-like stock. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
::Okay. This picture is from press-kit, provided for game journalists, but to avoid any troubles, the writer wouldn't share with all of pics. At least for now.--[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 10:10, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:::[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/529979003826601986/583658084254351380/5.jpg One more image ], better view on a M4
::::That Aimpoint is mounted way too low. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:13, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
Really not sure that’s an HK433. It looks integrally suppressed and the stock doesn’t match. Is it not some sort of SIG MCX variant? I thought it was a suppressed Rattler at first, but the magwell looks different --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:38, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
:Nah, looks nothing like an MCX. It is indeed an HK433, just a customized one. I get the feeling that we'll get "stock" customization option again, which could explain how they added that sliding stock on it (as well the MPi-KMS-72 style stock on the AK)... we'll see if it's the case when we got more details. Plus, note the shape of the receiver (especially behind and in front of the ejection port), the paddle magazine release and the reversible charging handle's location (above the handguard), all of which match the HK433 and not any variant of the MCX. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:35, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
::Also the cuts on the frontal side of the well mag are typical HK433. However, I think that the real HK433 can't be integrally suppressed nor accept telescoping stocks. Funny thing is that apparently even the devs know this so they attached the PDW stock to nothing or is it just me seeing things? --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 10:55, 1 June 2019 (EDT)
My bad on the MCX front, but in my defence I said some “sort of MCX”. Still, i’m not entirely convinced its a ‘433 either. The stock is probably custom, as per the above comment, but front end doesn’t quite match (unless it angle of the shot), there’s no integral suppressed ‘433. The ejection port and lower receiver is a clear match though (on my second look). I dunno, guess we will have to wait and see. I quite like the ‘433 design so would be nice to see it. Personally hope they bring back the skins from MW:R or better yet, customisation similar to Wildlands --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:27, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

==Unknown bolt-action==
[https://i.redd.it/m0z9lqftxi131.jpg I don't know what this could be.]--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 15:15, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
:I've read somewhere that it might be the FN Ballista ala BO2 style, but I'm conflicted. Some details match but others like the stock are different. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 16:45, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
::From the size, the proportions, and the flat, sloped upper receiver, I'm tempted to say that it's a [[PGM Hecate II]], though it doesn't seem to be a precise match. It seems like some of these guns might have customizable parts, though maybe I just have a hard time believing that the coat-hanger stock is gonna be standard and/or an attachment for the AK. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:54, 31 May 2019 (EDT)
Looking at the receiver shape my thought was definitely something by PGM --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:40, 1 June 2019 (EDT)

:Looks like Russian DVL-10 for me, but magwell is different and magazine looks too wide for .308 --[[User:Iskorka416|Iskorka416]] ([[User talk:Iskorka416|talk]]) 19:33, 16 June 2019 (EDT)

==2v2 Gameplay footage==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv5JqiEfxoQ Here.] --[[User:Tamarin88|Tamarin88]] ([[User talk:Tamarin88|talk]]) 17:11, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
:Some stuff worth noting - the P320 is called the "M19", after its designation; the standard mag holds 10 rounds, and the 21-round extendo holds 15. The FAMAS fires in 3-round bursts, has aftermarket irons on top of its standard ones, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding as to how decimal points work (.556 inches would make it an anti-materiel rifle, whereas .556 millimeters would be a literal gun for ants). The bolt-action sniper rifle is an [[Accuracy International AX50]], the 870 is an MCS that they're calling the "Model 680" for some reason, and the [[MG4]] is called an "M91" (probably implying a US military designation), with 75 round being the "Extended Mags" capacity, so the standard is probably 50. Shotguns are also either secondaries or primaries now, and among them is the "725" [[Over and Under Shotgun|over/under]]; the name implies a Browning Citori, though [[Call of Duty: Black Ops#Beretta Model 682|the series is no stranger to misnaming O/Us]]. There are 2 different kinds of stun grenade (an [[M84 stun grenade|M84]] and a [[Model 7290 flashbang grenade|M7290]]), though we didn't actually get to see what the normal frag grenades are. Oh, and the [[RPG-7]] has a new reload animation for the first time in ever, though I'm pretty sure that the rocket still doesn't have a booster charge. It also has a melee attack where you jab them with the rocket, even though an RPG-7 warhead's only safety system is a screw-in nose cap, so doing that would blow you straight to kingdom come. Anything else? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:05, 11 July 2019 (EDT)

::The MG appears to be MG5 not MG4. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 20:13, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it's definitely an MG5. Also, that "M19" name is pretty much a goof lol; the P320 in reality is designed as M17 and M18, depending on the size. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:08, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
::::I quite like how they've done the animations for this one. Particularly the handguns, the way the screen shakes in conjuction with the jerkiness of the muzzle flip makes it seem like the player character is an actual human controlling recoil rather than a robot who can hold a perfect aim at all times.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 03:19, 17 July 2019 (EDT)

== Modern Warfare 2011 ==

I can’t help feel that the weapons list is well...dated!

Famas...dropped by French for Hk416 because its outdated

L86 rarely used by British Army and completely replaced as of April 2019

AUG, Mp5, M14 really?

Desert Eagle ffs come on!

Even the M4A1 feels rehashed, afterall if were playing tier 1 Operators who use Mk18’s or C8’s (in SAS’ case) should the game not match the reality?

--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 05:20, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
:Just because an older gun has only been recently replaced by a newer gun does not mean all previous guns in a nations inventory magically disappear into the ether. Many nations still use the M4, AUG, MP5, and M14 as well. The Desert Eagle is a series staple, so I'm not surprised it makes another appearance. The game has plenty of new guns as well, such as the Sig MCX, the M17, the HK433, and so on, so far it seems to strike a decent balance between classic Call of Duty guns and up to date guns.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 15:36, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

;:There were quite a few FAMASs in the recent Bastille Day parade; the French haven’t fully rolled out HK416Fs overnight since officially adopting them.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:51, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Very true but there are also older weapons that have never appeared in COD before that could have been used instead. I mean why have the L86 when an RPK74 which is more widespread and has seen more use than the L86. Every time COD wants a bullpup it goes AUG and Famas, why not L85A2, CR21 or any other multitude of bullpup choices. I’m just saying the choices seem very safe and “copy/paste” to me. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
:Huh? The AUG and the FAMAS didn't make a lot of appearances in the CoD universe (the only ''main'' games in which they appeared are MW2 and *facepalm* Black Ops - unless you consider the "futurized" versions in BO3/BO4), and from what I've read the AUG is one of the most reliable bullpup weapons, so its appearance is legit. Also come on, the MP5 is one of the most popular submachine guns worldwide (if not ''the'' most popular), you certainly can't avoid putting it in the game. I definitely agree that the L86 is a dumb choice though, and we all know the issue with the Desert Eagle, although in the later case you could argue that it has become an iconic weapon in the MW series, so players will have fun again with it in multiplayer. The devs should have put a Mk 14 EBR as opposed to that "modernization" attempt of a normal M14. Other than that, I'm happy with the presence of weapons such as the P320, MCX VIRTUS, MG5, and '''especially''' the Remington 870 MCS, which should have been included in the MW series from the start (as opposed to those weird choices of Winchester 1200 and SPAS-12). I'm hoping they will add some firearms such as the Saiga 12, SIG MPX, HK417, SR-25, Glock 17, Mk 23 Mod 0, etc. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:02, 14 July 2019 (EDT)
Yeah my bad Its probably because both the Aug and Famas were rinsed in both MW2 and Blops. They could have at least picked the Thales F90 for a modern Aug and there are plenty of better choices than the Famas! The MP5 i have no issue with. It is still the premier CT SMG used worldwide and deserves it place. The MK14 would have been a better choice I agree, but I would have picked G28/417 or SR25 EC over it for a more modern touch. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 07:59, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

== Raw multiplayer footage ==

Some new MP footage got released today. More of the same, but without the screaming streamers and featuring several new weapons.

Watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVnJvZjMNCs

What I noticed right off the bat:

-An AK-47 with an RPK style barrel. An attachment or visual customization of some sort, I think. Other than the barrel, the AK's layout was pretty typical.

-Some kind of (integrally suppressed?) bolt-action sniper rifle that I cannot identify for the life of me.

-A .357 magnum revolver, probably a Smith and Wesson.

-A compact AR-15-style rifle.

-An MG42-type machine gun, maybe supposed to be an MG3? It appears to have the MG34's Panzerlauf stock.

-The SIG-Sauer MCX made an appearance. It's known as the "M13."

-Some kind of bullpup assault rifle that I can't identify but vaguely looks like a QBZ-95.

--[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 18:10, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

:It is an MG34, yeah in a modern game. And the AK is either type II or III. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:11, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

::The bullpup rifle was a [[ShAK-12]], interestingly enough, with some serious recoil along for the ride. It also holds 40 rounds in what appears to be a 20-round magazine. Oh, and don't forget the [[Marlin Model 1894]], which I'm guessing will be classified as a sniper rifle in-game. As for the MG34, it's not ''that'' far-fetched; some have turned up in combat zones in the Middle East, which is where I assume at least some of the campaign will be taking place. A fair bit less plausible is the 100-round capacity that they've blessed the 50-round belt drum with. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 19:53, 18 July 2019 (EDT) P.S.: Speaking of capacity, I really don't get why they felt the need to give the [[SIG-Sauer P320|P320]] a 10-round default mag and a 15-round extended one; unless it's supposed to be in a different caliber, it should hold 15 in a standard mag, while the extendo looks like the full-size version's 21-rounder.

:::As always, gameplay balancing I guess. --[[User:Nanomat|Nanomat]] ([[User talk:Nanomat|talk]]) 19:55, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

::::Maybe the MG 34 is a “kit” for the MG5? It at least sounds better than the MG 42 in WWII, I’ll give it that.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:18, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::I hope they don't bring back the "kit" system of firearm variation. Agreed on the audio being leagues better than previous CoDs, there's some nice impact to it now. CoD: WW2 made all their guns sound like someone flicking pebbles at a sheet of tin.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:31, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
::::::Funny thing is that [[Talk:Battlefield 4#Revolver reloads|I mentioned]] two months ago the fact that I hadn't seen yet the "universal" revolver reloading technique in a video game, aaaaaaaaand it ended up in this game :D I'm fairly sure the Marlin isn't a Model 1894, but likely a 336, given the trigger guard and the ejection port (the latter having been seen in an earlier video). Regarding the compact AR-style rifle, I'm pretty sure it's a shorter version of the already present MCX VIRTUS (we can exclude the Rattler, since the handguard looks longer than it). The 870 MCS wasn't pumped after a partial reload, which (likely, but I'm not holding my breath) means we will finally see different partial/empty reloads for shell-by-shell reloading shotguns (the only time it was done in a Call of Duty game is... get this, in the 13-year old CoD3). Where I'm less impressed though, is the AK-47 part: while I can excuse its presence since there is also a more modern AK shown in the reveal trailer, the devs ''once again'' chose to slap a ribbed receiver cover on it. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 08:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking of AK, if the Russian Federation armed forces show up in this game, I would faint if they used an AK-74 instead of an older AK model. At least give me an AK-12 or an AK-15. At the very least, I hope to see more modern Russian weapons instead of Russians running around with FAMASs, AUGs, FALs, and Strikers like in Modern Warfare 2 and 3. --[[User:PyramidHead|PyramidHead]] ([[User talk:PyramidHead|talk]]) 15:19, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
Amen to that! I’m hoping they use AK74’s as well not the AKM every game seems to depict. AK15 would be preferable but given the rebels part take place in past, ‘74 would be better suited. Personally I would have had the AK74 and RPK in this game and included the AK12 and RPK16 as “skins” like MW:R. Do you think they will add the F2000 in as that has shown up on Syria in a few clips/photos --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:06, 20 July 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

2019-07-20T11:59:15Z

Forrest1985: /* Modern Warfare 2011 */

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

2019-07-14T20:02:05Z

Forrest1985: /* Modern Warfare 2011 */

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

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Talk:Ghost Recon Breakpoint

2019-06-13T09:51:24Z

Forrest1985: /* Page Approval */

=Page Approval=

Trailer already on-line. Featuring weapons like the M4A1, M134 Minigun mounted on UH-60 Blackhawks, and Carl Gustav M4. Another official picture, feature Milkor MGL Mk14 adnd CZ 805 BREN.Green light for the page? Dannyguns

Not an M4, It's a [[SIG_516|Sig 516 CQB]], also confirmed is an DD M4V1, TAR-21 and Stoner LMG--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 06:03, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Thank you, Death Shadow 20.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 06:16, 23 May 2019 (EDT) - No worries, always happy to help. On a side note, the sniper rifle of one of Nomad's teammates is carrying, neither is a Remington MSR nor a CheyTac M200. It's a Victrix Scorpio Mille.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 07:02, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

The HK416 is returning, too. Pre-order material has shown a skin for it as a bonus, IIRC. Just as an FYI, though, my contributions to this page will be minimal (unlike GRW, where I think I've been the majority contributor). Forced online functionality and removing the squad from a squad-based shooter aren't sitting well with me right now and thus I've no current plans to get this game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:49, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Ditto. It is a waste to put required online, (considering that a lot of countries don't have a good online connections, including 1st world ones, and then Ubi will learn the hard way.) to such a masterpiece. Its weird, 'cause Ghost Recon wiki mention a storyline. Vitrix addition seems good.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:57, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Ubisoft's stated reasoning for cutting the AI squad is utterly hilarious and contradictory: they claimed in a live stream with a couple of devs that they wanted to make a true lone wolf experience. Yeah, a "true lone wolf experience" unless you're playing co-op with up to 3 friends, where that experience becomes non-existent. If they really wanted to offer a lone wolf experience, co-op would have been cut, too. The lead guy went on to say that playing solo would be "painful, but possible" (which tells you what the game is going to be balanced around) and the other quipped "get friends or suffer", which I felt a little insulted by (though I'll admit he probably only meant it in jest). The ''real'' reason they cut the AI squad is because they're incapable of improving the lackluster squad AI used in GRW, they just don't want to admit it. But as I said on their forums, I'm totally okay with it if Ubisoft doesn't want my money this time. I'm still playing and enjoying GRW, so it's no skin off my back. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:36, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
I will not be getting it as well Spartan, so many dumb decisions around this game, as much as new improvements over Wildlands it has, i feel like the cons you mentioned are pretty dissapointing to say the least.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 07:44, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

I see Ubi, sometimes as a bunch of lazy greedy people that don't do the research. I was shocked when the Police Snipers in Watch Dogs 2 used [[SVD]]s(!) instead of the more plausible [[M110]] as in previous game and when Raven's Rock used a UH-60 Blackhawk (althought with a cool skin) instead of a Mi-26, or even a Mi-24, which was already used in the previous [[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier|game]]. Not to mention the [[POF P416]]! Is everywhere! Their "business ideas" and laziness ruins their products! [[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 10:19, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

I believe Ubisoft has a licensing agreement of some sort with POF for the P416 family, so seeing it in practically every Ubisoft game is to be expected. They'll probably find some way to slip it into the next AC game, too. Raven's Rock using a reskinned Black Hawk is probably a matter of them not wanting to bother adding a new vehicle into GRW. Just about every piece of equipment used by Unidad is inaccurate, though. Not even the actual Bolivian army is that well equipped. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:12, 31 May 2019 (EDT)

Ubisoft has decided to reverse their decision and include AI teammates. Hopefully they scrap the online connection requirement next. I'm not paying $60 for this game if its shelf life is limited. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 12:01, 11 June 2019 (EDT)

So glad they listened and added AI teammates back. That Tank drone looked hard enough with x4 humans let alone on your own with no help!
What concerns me is Ubi doing its copy and paste again with weapons! Apart from the launcher, 40mm and Sig516 everything else seems to be from Wildlands! I did like the Sig 556xi but I would prefer they replace the AK47 & AK12 for CMMG47 or similar and add the AK15! Swap the Tar21 for the X95 and add the Tavor 7 too especially as its near future the current weapons shown look dated. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 05:51, 13 June 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

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Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)

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Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

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== Type Weapons ==
I saw some weapons that could be based on some weapons.

Rampart 17 - SCAR Rifle

ICR-7 - M4 Carbine?

VAPR-XKG - HK416 or AR15 Type

Paladin HB50 - Barrett 50cal

But there's some other weapons too, like the Titan LMG--[[User:Treliazz777|Treliazz777]] ([[User talk:Treliazz777|talk]]) 16:07, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

The ICR looks some kind of mash up between an MSBS and the recent HK433.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 09:36, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

I wouldn't say the Rampart resembles the SCAR. In fact, it looks like the R101 Carbine. You know, that assault rifle from Titanfall? It even has the angled magwell and magazine. Talk about going full circle. The Titan is clearly the LSAT once more, the HB50 is a left-handed straight-pull bolt-action Barrett (probably based on the 98 Bravo) and that Swordfish rifle is a vaguely modified [[Vektor CR-21]], I'm sure of it. Oh yes, and the Cordite SMG...honestly that resembles the Bal-27 from ''Advanced Warfare'', of all things.--[[User:Gunmaster2011|Gunmaster2011]] ([[User talk:Gunmaster2011|talk]]) 19:29, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

== Vapr-XKG is a Custom M4 or ACC Honey Badgar ==

The Vapr-XKG looks similar to the M4 or the ACC Honey Badger--[[User:Treliazz777|Treliazz777]] ([[User talk:Treliazz777|talk]]) 09:50, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

== Promotional artwork ==

[http://charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/yLkf1gX.jpg Here] is shown an M1911 variant (maybe a Springfield Mil-Spec or something), and [http://charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/e8vhGL2.jpg here] we see two revolvers, one of which appears to be a Remington 1858 New Army. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:52, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

The one in her right hand is a mutant Peacemaker, the one in her left is indeed the New Army, very likely the one from Black Ops II. I mean it'd made sense for them to reuse the model, as they only used it once, but poster weapons rarely make it into the final map; same as with the AK on the Call of the Dead poster, or the M1911 on the Shadows of Evil poster. Also she's seen dual-weilding what appear to be Webleys in the trailer.--[[User:Gunmaster2011|Gunmaster2011]] ([[User talk:Gunmaster2011|talk]]) 19:29, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

== BO4 Zombie Trailer ==

In the Chaos Story Trailer, I think I saw a Double Barrel Type MG08, and M1897 Trench Gun--[[User:Treliazz777|Treliazz777]] ([[User talk:Treliazz777|talk]]) 13:26, 17 July 2018 (EDT)

== What gun is this? It's a Old Lever Action ==

[[File:41710003090 a980150a1d h.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I don't know what that rifle is, it looks like it is based from a Model Lever Action Rifle.--[[User:Treliazz777|Treliazz777]] ([[User talk:Treliazz777|talk]]) 11:46, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
:I'd say it's probably a [[Winchester Model 1895]]. On a sidenote, any ideas on the handgun that the guy on the right is using? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:07, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
::The gun on the right is possibly the "Strife" fictional pistol currently present in the game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:15, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
:::Looks like the 1895 is a carbine with a full stock, is it the angle or what? [[User:Black Irish Paddy|Black Irish Paddy]] ([[User talk:Black Irish Paddy|talk]]) 17:12, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

== I tried to do my best with these weapons. ==

I was working on these weapons, and I figure something out.

The Titan is similar to the LSAT

The Cordite is similar to the PDW57 which is based on the P90

The Saug 9mm is similar to the CBJ-MS

The Auger DMR is similar to the SVD Dragunov

The Espadon is similar to the Famas

The Paladin HB50 is similar to the Barrett .50cal

The Koshka is similar to the SVU-AS

The Strife is similar to the FNP-45

The ICR-7 is similar to the HK416

The Rampart 17 is similar to the SCAR-H

The Vapr-XMG is similar to the M4 Carbine, M4 CQBR or the CAR-15 (I guess it's trying to be the Commando from Black Ops)

The Maddox-RFB is similar to the Type 95 (I'm not so sure)

The GKS is similar to the M1921 Thompson (I'm not so sure)

The Spitfire is similar to the Jian She Type-05

The ABR 223 is similar to the AUG

The Mozu is similar to the Taurus Ringing Bull (I'm not so sure)

The Mog 12 is similar to the Ithaca 37 Stakeout

The SG12 is similar to the AA-12

The Hellion Salvo is similar to the MAAWS (I'm not sure)

I hope I have at least one right. --[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 01:23, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

:The only IDs that I agree with are the "Paladin HB50" (a Barrett indeed, likely resembling the M107A1, even though the fire mode is different), the SG12 (AA-12 CQB), and to some extend the "Spitfire" (a Jianshe, but obviously the JS 9mm railed version, not the Type 05). I'm not sure about the "MOG 12", but most of your other suggestions are way too far-fetched; seriously, '''how on earth''' does the "Saug 9mm" even remotely look like a CBJ-MS? If anything, it looks like one of the pistols (such as the VBR-Belgium PDW) that are sometimes being used as a reference for futuristic CoD handguns. As for others, I can tell that the "ABR 223" looks a bit like a SAR 21, while the Titan is reminiscent of the LSAT. There are two things that you should keep in mind: 1) not literally every weapon in a futuristic video game has to be based on a real particular weapon, and 2) just because a weapon has some AR-like parts doesn't automatically make it an M4/CAR-15 (I'm really stressing on that point, given your non-stop obsession in wanting to find an AR-15 basis in MANY weapons). --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 16:59, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

Okay so were back to heated COD weapon debates. What happened to keeping it friendly? Anyway Auger to me is a mix Of the new russian SVK and older SVD. The KN57 is clearly an AK12.
Saug is a VBR with maybe some elements from Steyr SSP
Titan is an LSAT.
Vapr XMG looks a tad like a honey badger without the suppressor.
Haven’t seen Espadon, Maddox or Spitfire so can’t comment.
Rampart looks like a deconstructed Scar H mated with Titanfalls rifle.

As we have already seen from Blops3 not every weapon will remotely resemble a real world weapon. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 17:20, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
:Espadon is French for "Swordfish", which is a 4-round burst "tactical rifle" in-game. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:36, 3 August 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the info. I was stress out with these guns. I forgot about the PDW. I was stress out with the Vapr KXG, because it looks similar to the M4 CQB or the ACC Honey Badger, but hopeful I'll find something about this weapon.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 18:21, 3 August 2018 (EDT)

== Vapr-XKG is a Custom M4/AR15 Airsolft Based Weapon. ==

The Vapr-XKG looks similar to a Custom M4 Carbine or a Custom AR-15. Some people would say it's a Honey Badger, but it looks more like an M4/AR15. The Handguard looks similar to the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Calibur Carbine or the Krytac ALPHA M4 CRB. The front Iron Sight looks like the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Sight. It also have either a futuristic PDW Stock (which is used for the Honey Badger, but it is also used for the M4 Carbine), or a futuristic AR-15 Battlelink Minimalist Stock. When you add the Stock attachment, it looks similar to a AR-15 DS150 Stock. I was looking up some custom M4's and AR15's. I was stress out, but I figure out. I was looking to deep about this gun.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 01:25, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

== MK14 Mod 0 in BO4 ==

SDM looks completely similar to the MK14 Mod 0. It even has a MK14 rear Sight. That could be the MK14, or a futuristic variant.--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 17:42, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

== ABR223 ==

Sorry but how is the ABR223 not a Steyr Aug/Thales EF88 combo? It has more in common with either of those rifles than the SAR21. The swordfish seems to be based to the VHS K2 with the handguard/sight combo. Also whilst the ICR in Blops3 was a HK416, the ICR7 seems closer to the ARAK21 series of rifles, especially with the side mounted charging handle.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:51, 13 October 2018 (EDT)
:Hmm... looking at it again, yeah it does have have parts in common with the AUG A2, most notably the top rail (I don't really see anything in common with the Thales, though), but I had the SAR 21 in my mind due to the deeper magwell and the charging handle's location. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 17:10, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== VAPR-XKG? ==

I did a topic earlier about this gun. The Handguard looks similar to the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Calibur Carbine or the Krytac ALPHA M4 CRB. The front Iron Sight looks like the Elite Force VFC M4 VR16 Sight. It also have either a futuristic PDW Stock (which is used for the Honey Badger, but it is also used for the M4 Carbine), or a futuristic AR-15 Battlelink Minimalist Stock. When you add the Stock attachment, it looks similar to a AR-15 DS150 Stock. I was looking up some custom M4's and AR15's. I was stress out, and I was looking to deep about this gun. It could be based on a Custom AR15, or Custom M4. (I'm not saying it because I love M4s or CAR-15s) What is your thoughts about this gun?--[[User:Treliazz|Treliazz]] ([[User talk:Treliazz|talk]]) 12:50, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Honestly, I would say it had more in common with the Lynx from MW:R or the Peacekeeper 2 from BLOPS3 than any real M4/AR15. Of course both weapons are loosely based on the Honey badger but apart from the stock, small size and magwell I would say its a push. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:01, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

User talk:Ultimate94ninja

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Forrest1985: /* Blops4 */ new section

== re: BO edit ==

I don't mind as saying that it is a GAU-5A/A with an imaginary flat top, but the thing I would object to is actually titling the section "GAU-5A/A" rather than "Commando". When a section is titled after a real gun that is us saying that the gun in question '''is''' that gun. That is not the case here, as the Commando is essentially a fictional gun that may (or in fact may not) be based on a GAU-5A/A. In these cases it is our convention to title the section whatever the gun is called in game with quoatation marks, so in this case "Commando". Also, on the topic of this edit what specifically made you say that the AK is an AK-74 prototype? To me, one of the things that we can tell for sure is that it is definitely not that, as it has the hardware for a folding stock on the receiver (button at the back, catch at the front to hold the folded stock) so it is either based on an AKS-74, AK-74M, or a 100 series AK. The problem is that all of those have 90 degree gas blocks whilst this gun has a 45 degree one, and all of those guns have AK-74 front sights and muzzle brakes and this gun doesn't (I can't tell what front sight it has, in the 3rd person image it looks like a wide AK-47 type one but i think this is just weird scaling and it is actually a narrow AKM type one). When you add on to this the fact that it has smooth wood handguard without a palm swell, a type 2 AK fixed stock, and a type 3 AK receiver mounted rear sling loop, I think it is pretty fair to call this thing a composite. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:44, 28 March 2018 (EDT)
:The main obvious difference between an AKM and AK-74 FSB is that the latter has a bayonet lug, but it isn't just stuck on there, it is on an extension coming out the back of it. There are other differences like how the cleaning rod is retained, but the most obvious is the bayonet lug. [http://cdn3.volusion.com/vawhb.dxcnr/v/vspfiles/photos/Sight-block-AKM-2.jpg Here is an AKM one], and [http://www.dinzagarms.com/saiga_762x39/large/74-fsb.jpg here is an AK-74 one] for comparison. In these image you can also see that there is a big difference with how the muzzle threads are, as on the AKM the barrel is threaded but with the 74 the front sight block holds the threading which is larger diameter. There is another front sight block which is the Romanian one which looks a bit more like an AKM one with just the bayonet lug stuck underneath ([http://oi62.tinypic.com/o6mqo5.jpg here]) which doesn't have the lug coming off of the back due top how the Romanian brake is narrow so is slightly longer. I'll have a go at fixing the entries in the page later when I'm home from work to try and clear things up a bit. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:49, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

== Categorization ==

So, if you're wondering why I moved the [[M2 Carbine]] and [[Thompson]] Carbine back into the Assault Rifles category, here's my reasoning: .30 Carbine is an intermediate rifle cartridge. You yourself acknowledged that by placing the Hyde Carbine images under the "Rifle-Caliber" section of Category:Carbine. Therefore, the M2 and the Thompson are both select-fire rifles firing intermediate cartridges from detachable magazines, which is (according to the introduction of the Category:Assault Rifle page) the very definition of an assault rifle. As for separating out the Rifles, Carbines & Battle Rifles section, I don't think that that would be a good idea. Splitting off the carbines would lead to all sorts of debates as to what is and isn't a carbine (e.g. whether or not the [[Mosin Nagant|M38 Mosin]] should be there, whether or not the [[Winchester Model 1873]] should be there, or if only the carbine-length version and not the rifle-length version should, etc.), and splitting out battle rifles could cause similar problems (e.g. does the [[SKS]] qualify, and if it does, then why doesn't, say, the [[ACR]] qualify). So, for simplicity's sake, I say we just leave it as-is for now. Oh, and by the way, thank you for creating the [[H3VR]] redirect. I'd been meaning to do that for a while now, but I'd never gotten around to it, in large part because I didn't have the damnedest clue ''how''. Cheers, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 10:41, 24 July 2018 (EDT) P.S.: Do you know how to link to a category page? I would've linked the ones mentioned here, but any attempts to do so resulted in the site instead classifying your talk page as an assault rifle.
:Fair enough, I can see why, and although I would question why the 300-meter effective range requirement is considered part of the definition (especially considering how it's essentially meant to exclude this one exact case, effective range isn't a consideration in any other category, and there are some things put there that don't have that long of a range - the [[APS Underwater Assault Rifle]], [[SR-3M Vikhr]], and [[KAC PDW]] I know for sure, and I seriously doubt that something like the [[AAC Honey Badger]] or [[CSA SA vz. 58 Compact]] can manage 300 meters either), that's not something to bring up with you in this discussion. And thanks a ton for the formatting/wikitext help. See ya, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 13:51, 26 July 2018 (EDT)

== PM-06 Identification ==

Well, you maybe are right about not creating guns pages before correct ID, but I am almost sure that the gun in WW3 is a PM-06. The rails aren't included in civilian models, (something that is also seen in PR-15 Ragun civilian version, so maybe is a FB thing) but I thing I seen the flashlight/grip combination peculiar of the PM-06. So if you don't see it, you are right.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:54, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

== RE: Battle Rifle Category ==

Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. I was a bit unsure as to whether or not guns were allowed to "double-dip", so to speak. Actually, this does raise another question: Should the [[M1918A2 BAR]] stay? I mean, it was meant as an LMG, but in practical application, it was commonly used more like a heavy battle rifle. Thoughts? [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 09:48, 7 October 2018 (EDT) P.S.: Also, would you have any objection to me changing "Semi-Auto/Full-Auto" to "Select-Fire" and pulling in the [[Breda PG]] (and possibly the M1918A2 as well - it ''is'' selective fire, it's just full-auto or faster full-auto)? Having 2 separate categories with 3 guns between them right at the end just looks wrong, IMO.

== Re:Grenade ID ==

Hi! I tend to think that isn't not a genuine RGD-5 as its body have two belts while original RGD-5s (all versions, live and dummy) have a single belt. Cyrillic letters "ИН" (IN) on the body may stand for "Inertnaya" (dummy) but such marking is placed below the belt on the body. I think that it's a mockup, possibly made of parts of genuine grenade. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:19, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== Blops4 ==

Hey, just wondering if you need some screenshots of the weapons head over to https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dotesports.com/call-of-duty/news/call-of-duty-black-ops-4-weapons-list/amp. The screencaps are directly from Activision themselves so its not stealing from Dote Sports so to speak. Might help until more screencaps are available. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 03:17, 14 October 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

2018-10-13T17:51:43Z

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Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

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Forrest1985: /* I tried to do my best with these weapons. */

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops 4

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Forrest1985: /* I tried to do my best with these weapons. */

Talk:List of firearms used by British Armed Forces

2018-03-18T16:04:57Z

Forrest1985: /* Carl Gustav */ new section

Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by "Army Security Guard Regiments"? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These "firearms used by [insert organization name]" pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words "pilots", " infantry drivers" and "MP5K". I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong. However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)
::There is A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

== L22A1/A2 ==

The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the "HK A2" markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)

That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)

== Miniguns ==

OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for "minigun" shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)

:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)

Fantastic site, great job, hoping i can add where i can. As far as minigun goes, 657 Sqn AAC doesn't carry them, and never has done.
--[[User:Ryanjamesh|Ryanjamesh]] ([[User talk:Ryanjamesh|talk]]) 19:07, 12 May 2015 (EDT)Ryanjamesh

== This just in... ==

I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)

:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means "Lock-on Ejection Port", meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)

== Clarification ==

Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the "Used by" from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a "Royal Marine" (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:22, 27 August 2012 (CDT)
:::That's not a AW50F in that photo, the muzzle brake is wrong, that's the newer AW50 with the round two slot brake. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 01:00, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
::::Wouldn't it just be an AW50F with a different muzzle brake? The thing that differentiates the AW50F from the original AW50 (as far as I know) is the fluted barrel, and as this has the fluted barrel would this not be an AW50F as well? It may be a situation like the M82A1/M107 where the AW50F was made and AI changed the spec of the original rifle to match without changing the name. As with the M82A1/M107, I think that we should probably still call it the AW50F for clarity. It is kind of confusing though as a lot of sources (along with the AI naming convention) state that the AW50F is called that because it adds a folding stock, but the original version had a folding stock as well so this isn't the reason. Just to add, I am not sure that this muzzle brake is actually "newer", but rather it is just different. If you look at images of Australians or Germans with it they tend to have the wide brake (although some have the two chamber break but this is by far the minority), as opposed to in images of Brits using them they always have the two chamber one. I cant find many dated images to now how far back this goes, but in some images people are still wearing EBAs and Osprey Mk 1s, and I have an image of a SF sniper with one in 2004 and it has the two chamber brake, so my guess is that this is the only version Britain has ever used. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:33, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::Here's the last AW50 before they moved over to the AX50. [[Image:AW50 (Latest Version).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Accuracy International AW50 (Latest version with fluted barrel and redesigned muzzle brake) - .50 BMG]] [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 21:03, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::My point is though that this is just an AW50F with a different muzzle brake. And possibly not even that difference as this exact rifle is used by the British at least as far back as 2004 and most sources call the version adopted by the British the AW50F. Accuracy International isn't very helpful as a source, seeing as the official [http://stevespages.com/pdf/accuracy_international_aw-50.pdf user manual] calls it the AW50 but is for a rifle which is definitely an AW50F. My guess is that AI just dropped the F and called this the standard AW50, they are not actually two different variants. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:27, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Should it then be changed and noted on the AW page then? [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 17:29, 12 June 2016 (EDT)

== L129A1 ==

Don't forget the new "Sharpshooter" L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 12:51, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)

:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)

::::Well, he ''is'' Russian. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)

Da.

== Enfield EM-2 ==

Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?
[[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 14:06, 22 January 2013 (EST)

:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the "Experimental" category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)

No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)

:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)

Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)

:You can pretty much boil it all down to blaming America. They said the .280 was underpowered, whilst Britain, Canada and Belgium said the 7.62x51mm would be uncontrollable in full auto (based on the fact that the US eventually switched to the even smaller 5.56x45mm it is pretty obvious who was right). When Winston Churchill returned to power he felt that NATO standardisation on a round, even if it was the wrong round, was vital, so we went for the 7.62x51mm. It was a real shame, as the EM-2 was a great gun. I have actually gotten a look at one of the EM-2s that was converted to 7.62x51mm, and the quality on it was excellent. It isn't that obvious in pictures, but there is even a wood veneer over the top of the rear of the receiver for your cheek. I can imagine it was much more expensive to make than the FAL though (this may have had something to do with it) as the receiver was totally milled from a single piece of steel and had a complicated internal shape (although the actual stripping and assembly was very simple). With the intermediate round, bullpup layout and integrated optical sight it was very much ahead of its time. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 23 January 2013 (EST)

I knew about Churchill's feelings on standardisation and if im honest I think the benefit of commonality outweighed poor choice of round, from an infantry soldiers IW stand point (ive found its a lot more fun to hump 5.56 than 7.62 and I hardly get to touch 7.62 with cadets). I've heard that it was very well made and I was lead to believe that they would have cost around 3x as much as the SLR mostly due to the fact so much milling was required, it was however meant to be very reliable and well made as you said. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (EST)

:Churchill must have been smoking the wrong cigars that day. Given that Canada was enthusiastic about the .280 British (which dimensions are actually 7x43mm), "Mother England" could very well have turned it into the "British Commonwealth standard" instead and let the increased terminal effectiveness/range (relative to 5.56mm NATO, and not dependent on fragmentation as is the case for that cartridge's military versions) and increased controllability/portability (over 7.62mm NATO) speak for themselves in actual engagements and military campaigns (they could have started with the Northern Ireland campaign). It's a damn shame that this round has not been given a second chance (otherwise we might be using EM-3s, 4s or 5s by now). [http://7x46mmuiac.com/7x46mm_Cartridge.html A few are even recommending] we go to 7x46mm for a universal rifle/carbine cartridge. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:33, 23 January 2013 (EST)

Generally everyone (except the US thought) that .280 British was the way to go for NATO, I think eventually it will be seen that an intermediate cartridge is required but im sceptical it will be .280 [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:11, 24 January 2013 (EST)

:.280 is just imperial measurements talk for 7mm-diameter rounds. Even the commission that designed the 6.8mm SPC admitted that 7mm had the best terminal performance (in the range between 6.5mm and 7mm). It may be that such lethality could trump accuracy in applications like suppressive fire (after all, you duck from suppressive fire because you're afraid you'll be lethally hit). I'm also interested in seeing just how much more performance the proposed 7x46mm cartridge would have over the 6.8mm SPC--sometimes 3 millimeters of case length can make a real difference, as is the case between the .40 S&W round and the 10mm Auto round. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 21:27, 24 January 2013 (EST)

== L96A1 still in use? ==

I was looking on the Accuracy International site and went on the [http://www.accuracyinternational.com/gallery.php gallery] where there are several image supposedly from Herrick 13 which was 2010-201 that shows soldiers still using the L96A1. I'm fairly sure this time frame is correct as I see 16AA insignia MTP kit with the newest Osprey plate carrier. This would suggest that it was still being used within the last couple of years, does anyone know if it is still knocking around today? I would assume it probably is, as when the L115s came in and were issued to the Infantry sniper platoons I guess the L96A1s and L118A1s filtered down and were snapped up by others. There was a period where it was intended that the .308 rifles were going to be issued within Infantry sections as a sort of DMR before the L129A1 was procured. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:08, 30 January 2013 (EST)

I saw them being used on the first series of our war and that was around 2008 and it was being used as the l129a1 is and l115's were being used as designated sniper weapon. But by now I had assumed they are gone however they are l96a1's being used, I would have assumed tehy would have had access to l129a1's. It does raise the question as to whether l96a1 should be moved to in service?
[[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]])
:Except in 2008 the UOR that lead to the L129A1 hadn't even been written yet. The L129 was selected in 2009 and not issued until mid-late 2010. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 16:46, 3 February 2013 (EST)

I didnt say that. I said I saw l96's being used in 2008 in the same role that l129a1's are now and I was surprised as now l129's are issued so could be used in place of the l96's in the photos on the AI website (taken on Herrick 13). [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]])
:It's a simple matter of supply vs. demand. There are 440 L129A1s, not all of which are in country and not all of those are issued to marksmen on infantry patrols; spotters in sniper teams carry them sometimes. Ergo it's likely that the L96s are being kept on issue to keep up with requirements. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 15:41, 4 February 2013 (EST)

== Mp7 ==

Should the MP7 be on here? This was adopted by MOD police as a replacement for SA80 & MP5. I know this says "british armed forces" but MOD surely counts? --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:32, 10 February 2015 (EST)Forrest1985
:Not really, the MDP is a civilian police that just has a different jurisdiction and role.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:58, 10 February 2015 (EST)
There's rumblings about the SA80 series of weapons being replaced in the foreseeable future. Now that the MP7 is finally starting to gain some traction (they just recently assigned it to motorcycle-using and K-9 officers of the LAPD, strange as that concept might be), I can see the MP7 replacing the L22A1, since those share largely the same roles. Compared to the L22A2, the MP7 can be holstered, is lighter, and isn't as hearing-unfriendly when used. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 18:50, 10 February 2015 (EST)

:Are there any specific "rumblings" that you are referring to, or is this just the same "rumblings" that have been going on for a couple of decades? The last I remember hearing about anyone pushing for a premature replacement was a couple of years ago the Royal Marines were supposedly unhappy with the rifle and were pushing not only for a replacement but for a new caliber. The article was complete unattributed bollocks though from an unnamed "insider" who spouted rubbish about the 5.56x45mm ballistics being inadequate from the 20.4" barrel of an L85A2, but somehow the problem would be solved if he was given a nice shiny new C8 SFW with a 16" barrel.

:As for when the replacement will happen, the plan has always been (and still is to the best of my knowledge) that a replacement will be introduced some time in the 2020s. As there has been not much progress on this to date I assume it will be mid to late 2020s at this point as a new service rifle will take a few years of shopping around, developing, testing, and troop trials before it is actually issued. The only thing I have heard is that there has been talk about the idea of a new lightweight version of the SA80 weapons making an A3 variant, either as an interim weapon or actual replacement.

:Either way, in my opinion there is pretty much zero chance that the MP7 would ever be adopted by regular forces. Firstly, it is a less capable weapon than the L22A2 in terms of range, penetration and energy. The holstering thing is a bit of a non issue, as if you are on the ground then your weapon should be in your hands (if not it is hanging on a single point sling inches from them) and if you are a crewman/pilot then it is in a rack designed to hold it that already works so getting a smaller weapon achieves nothing. The hearing thing might be a slight plus, but not really for regular troops as you will be near other more potent weapon systems so you will need hearing protection anyway. The most important reason however is the different ammo. Introducing a completely new caliber for only a small number of non-infantry troops who do not really need it would be a logistical nightmare. You do not want everybody in a platoon to have 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm, except your dog handler who you need to separately kit out with 4.6x30mm. For special forces use (or police use for that matter) a lot of this doesn't apply, but there is a reason that you do not tend to see them used by regular military forces. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:16, 10 February 2015 (EST)
::I believe the "rumblings" would be things like the "Modular Assault Rifle" tender that the MoD issued in 2012 that was intended to procure a new rifle for limited introduction last year. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 06:03, 3 March 2015 (EST)
:::Knowing the way the government usually does things, in the late 2020s the government will start talking about the new rifle while simultaneously ordering a complete set of new SA80-pattern rifles, scrap all of them without replacing them with anything at all, give two billion to a company which never delivers anything, and then get hoodwinked into buying 500,000 Kar 98s while The Sun says our boys now have the best rifle in the world and the ghost of Jeremy Clarkson drives a car around while someone tries to shoot him with it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:31, 3 March 2015 (EST)
Thought you would say that but NCIS made the cut over on the US page. This should at least be in the experimental/trials portion--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:41, 11 February 2015 (EST)
In addition there were photos of tornado pilots with MP7's strapped to their legs in afghan. Desperately trying to remember where i saw the pics! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:01, 11 February 2015 (EST)
:If it is the same photo I have seen then I believe that it was a staged promotional image for the company "Radway Green" who make a lot (possibly all) of the ammunition for the British military and police including 4.6x30mm. I would have though having a PDW strapped to your leg would be massively impractical for a fast jet pilot as you wouldn't fit in your seat properly, it would interfere with your harness, it could make the G-suit not function properly, it would be flapping around during aggressive manoeuvring, the securing straps would cover your thigh pockets, it would either tear off or tear your leg off during ejection, and the holster would most likely block the controls on the side console. As some RAF squadrons switched to Walther PPs due to the Browning being too large/heavy for certain aircraft cockpits, having an MP7 strapped on would be even worse. Lastly, as far as I know Tornado aircrew now use Glocks, which I believe they were issued shortly before they were issued to the Army. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:49, 11 February 2015 (EST)

:: NCIS is an investigative/police agency under the Department of the Navy, thus technically making it a part of the US Armed Forces, it is not a civilian police force. Finally, unless there's some concrete source or reference in regards to this, I fail to see the validity of its inclusion. "Rumblings" don't count as far as I'm concerned. I've seen some weapon listings on the US Armed Forces page disallowed for similar reasons. My two cents (or, perhaps, pence) here. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 20:24, 11 February 2015 (EST)
Thanks stan --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:32, 12 February 2015 (EST)

== Beaumont–Adams revolver ==

Beaumont–Adams revolver, in service with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont%E2%80%93Adams_revolver British 1862 – 1880]. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 14:02, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
:That hasn't appeared in any media yet. [[User:Hi, My Name Is GameZone|Hi, My Name Is GameZone]] ([[User talk:Hi, My Name Is GameZone|talk]]) 22:07, 8 April 2015 (EDT)
::None at all? Christ! You'd think at least a few movies could have featured the gun! They made 250K+ copies of the B-A revolver.. [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 04:34, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::[[Adams Revolver|you got your wish]] [[User:Hi, My Name Is GameZone|Hi, My Name Is GameZone]] ([[User talk:Hi, My Name Is GameZone|talk]]) 00:23, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

==L129A1 model?==
Does anybody know what precise models the L129A1 are? There are two different models in use with slightly different profiles where the handguard joins the receiver. I think the current type ([http://www.designatedmarksman.net/images/us/l129a1_610x.jpg here]) is what LMT currently list as the LM308SS (I think this is basically a tricked out accurised LM308MWS), but the original type ([http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_L129A1_Prototype_LEI_lg.jpg here]) is different. Is this just an earlier version of the LM308SS or is it a different model? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:56, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not sure I can see the difference aside from an LEI marking on the magwell and the selector markings being coloured in on the in-service weapon. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 02:48, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
::No it is actually an LM308MWS is just that the newest one you see is the US Commercial version rather then the British military variant.
::The LM308MWS standard US commercial model differs slightly from the UK issued L129A1 in the following aspects:
:*1) the barrel is a 16" fully chrome-lined, cryogenically treated, polygonal rifled 1:10 right-hand twist chrome-moly machinegun grade steel. It is crowned with LMT's special crown design, designed for maximum accuracy with ordinary ball ammunition.
:*2) the muzzle device is a standard M16A2 type flash suppressor instead of the SureFire suppressor mount.
:*3) the sights are the LMT detachable fixed sights instead of the Knight's Armament folding battle sights.
:*4) the supplied furniture is black instead of the coyote brown supplied to the UK MoD.
:::@The Wierd It, if you look at the area where the handguard meets the receiver you will see that it has been machined to a different profile on the two versions. On the newer guns there is kind of a curved step over the whole hight of the handgaurd, as opposed to on the older ones where the top part was flush with the receiver and there was just a step on the middle rail. It might just be that they are both called LM308s and the latter is just a change in the design, but was curious if anyone knew if there was a distinction between the two, something like an A1 or A2 like distinction.
:::@Choi117, I do not think it is just that the newest version is the commercial version as opposed to the former being a military version, as the original was a commercial OTS weapon when it was introduced so obviously that receiver would have been the current commercial LM308 receiver. Also, stop adding an entry for the L129A1. If you want to say that it is an LM308MWS or an LM308SS, neither of these have appeared in any media, only the LM8MWS. As a general rule, if you are having to upload an imaged especially to get a gun a listing on one of these pages then it doesn't deserve to be here. I expect that at some point the L129A1 will appear in something, but at this point it hasn't so shouldn't be listed here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:14, 20 July 2015 (EDT)

The only designation change I know of is that the RAF seems to refer to the "Sniper Support Weapon" configuration (with the Schmidt & Bender scope taken off the old L96s rather than the ACOG) as the L29A1, rather than the L129A1. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 11:44, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
:Wherever they did that I am pretty sure that is just a typo, they do the same thing [http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/l123a3-and-l29a1.cfm on their website] when talking about the standard L129A1 sharpshooter configuration with the 6x ACOG. They are all over the place on the [http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/l129a1-ssw-rifle.cfm SSW page], first referring to the SSW as the L129A1 in the title, then going on to state that it is an improved version of the L29A1 sharpshooter, but then the next sentence calls the standard sharpshooter the L129A1. I believe that the sniper support weapon is properly referred to as just the "L129A1 SSW" or some such, however it was only in this role as a UOR and it has been found to be unsatisfactory by the Small Arms School Corps, so instead they are formalising a new set of requirements before launching a proper competition. I think this is also linked to the fact that in the sharpshooter role in practical terms its effective range has been nothing like it was supposed to be, with the upgraded DMR configuration of the L86A2 performing at least on par if not better. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:58, 20 July 2015 (EDT)

To not cause an edit war, just because the L129A1 hasn't appeared in media yet doesn't mean it shouldn't be included in this page. Several weapons that haven't appeared in something either (such as the Diemaco C8 CQB, StG 45(M) and XL65E4) are actually included in the pages listing the firearms in service by country. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:07, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
:Firstly, the argument that if something was done wrong before that somehow gives you permission to do it wrong again doesn't really hold water. Secondly, all of those weapons you mentioned are different to the case of the L129A1 on this page. The XL65E4 has appeared, it is in Fallout 2 with the bipod removed, although it seems that currently it is listed as a XL64E5 but the barrel length suggests it is closer to the LSW variant. Although the final Stg 45(M) has not appeared in anything, both of the prototype versions of the Stg 45(M) have, hence why there is a page for it (also, just to point out that nobody actually knows 100% what a final Stg 45(M) really looks like as none were finished and any examples were cobbled together post war from various parts). Depending on who you believe the 06H itself might actually be the same as the Stg 45M anyway, and if not it only has slight differences (the picture of the final Stg 45(M) was made by one of the designers after the war during the development of the CEAM Model 50 so might differ from the wartime design, but again, nobody really knows). Granted, the C8 CQB is not currently listed on any pages, however the purpose of uploading that image was to prove the something ''wasn't'' a C8 CQB and had the wrong ID, as opposed to uploading an image purely for one of these usage pages which are, at best, just trivia. Either way, all of these images you mentioned already existed on the database for one reason or another for other reasons, what we do not want is people uploading images especially for these pages when they have not appeared in media or have no other reason to be on here. If we did that, then there would be literally hundreds of more more weapons listed on each of these pages, taking up server space and making these usage pages even more bloated than they already are. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 14:25, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
::Makes sense. Something that was in my mind is that since we currently have an image for it, we could easily put it on the page; otherwise, it might have to be deleted. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 13:39, 1 August 2015 (EDT)

== HK417 & L129A1 ==

Is the HK417 actually in use by the British Military or is it being confused with the [[LMT rifle series|L129A1]]? I've looked at several sites and many photos and I haven't seen any HK417s, even when I've searched "British Army HK417", all the photos I see have British soldiers with L129A1s. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 23:28, 11 December 2015 (EST)
:There are a couple of photos out there of them being carried by the SFSG, such as [http://www.konstipation.com/stuff/walt/sfsg/sfsg6.jpg here] and [http://www.konstipation.com/stuff/walt/sfsg/sfsg6.jpg here]. I do not know if they are still used now that the L129A1 is available though. I believe that the RM use was during the trial for the L129A1 where they were used in limited numbers by 3 Commando. I believe they actually preferred the HK417, but the LMT rifle won on price. Something I just noticed while looking at that first photo, the gunners are not using British Minimi variants. The Minimis pictured have a rail but also the standard fixed rear sight, whereas the L110A2 has a removable proprietary rear sight. They look like they might be M249 Para PIPs without the heatshield but not sure. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:14, 12 December 2015 (EST)

== It is the L22A2, not the L22A1 ==

Here is an image of it showing the receiver markings proving that the proper designation is L22A2:[[File:L22A2 and L101A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]On the side of the magazine well you can see that it is marked "L22 A2 5.56 x 45". Unfortunately, this image raises another question of what is an L101A1, as this HK53 shown below the L22A2 appears to be marked as an L101A2. My guess is that either this is a slightly upgraded version in some way, or perhaps it is that the L101A1 isatually a different weapon, possibly the HK33 or something. Anybody know? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:58, 12 December 2015 (EST)
:Googling "L101A1" brings up photos of RMP CP officers and the Wikipedia article for the HK33, so... (Although all of the photos have 53s in) 10:49, 13 December 2015 (EST)
::I found a couple of official documents that refer to the L110A1 as the "5.56mm L101A1 (HK53) RIFLE" and another with "SUB-MACHINE GUN 5.56mm L101A1 (HK 53)", so I think it is safe to say that the L101A1 is an HK53 not an HK33. Whilst looking for this I also found that apparently in the early 90s there was a huge problem with the HK53s (as well as the G3KA4s), with a large number of them being unserviceable due to problems like broken buffers, fractured locking rollers, pin holes being elongated or fractured and other stuff like that. Apparently the problem was that the recesses on the locking pieces that the rollers on the bolt engaged into were not steep enough so the blowback of the bolt was not delayed enough, leading to massive wear and tear on the bolt and buffer, along with splitting cases and causing excess gas erosion. A fix was made in 1996, where the locking pieces were switched out to ones with steeper recesses to properly delay the blowback. My guess is that the L101A2 is the designation for these fixed guns, either modified L101A1s or newly purchased ones (there are HK53s in inventory with both SEF and burst trigger packs so my guess is that some are newer than others). Also, these documents stated that the RMP CPU also use (or at least used) the G3KA4s, so have added that. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:34, 13 December 2015 (EST)

== Current UKSF equipment ==

While looking for something else I came across [https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2858019.main_image.jpg this image] from an anti-terror training exercise last month. [https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1171717/terror-in-suburbia-armed-cops-dropped-in-by-choppers-in-dramatic-training-exercise-showing-what-isis-attack-on-your-town-might-look-like/ The article] describes all of them as police, but from how they are equipped (no police markings, Multicam/MTP, Crye JPC vest and blast belt) it is pretty obvious that they are not, especially seeing as they arrived in [https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2858017.main_image.jpg Dauphins]. Two big things stand out to me though, firstly, I believe that this is the first time that the new L119A2 has been seen in use. Secondly, what pistol is that? To me it looks like a Glock 19 but am not sure with it in the holster like that, anyone else have an opinion? Supposedly UKSF recently started using the Glock 19 but I have never seen an image of one before. Comparing it to the dummy Glock 17 carried by the [https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2858020.main_image.jpg EOD guy] (also military but not UKSF) accompanying them it looks smaller, but is hard to tell with all of the camo blending together. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:45, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
:Why is the guy in that first image you posted wearing what looks like a mask meant for airsoft?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:49, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
::I believe that it is because they are using training rounds like Simuntions or UTMs. Getting your teeth shot out with a glorified paintball isn't fun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 20:02, 10 June 2016 (EDT)
:::How does a round of that simunitions/paintball stuff work? I played paintball once and they were just that, balls. Don't see how that would work in an AR-15...--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 08:02, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
::::Think of a normal cartridge, except the bullet is similar to a ratshot cartridge, but loaded with paint instead of tiny shot. --[[User:PaperCake|PaperCake]] 22:15, 11 June 2016 (EST)
:::::How much harder (or weaker) is the hit in comparison to a ordinary paintball fired out of a normal paintball gun?--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 22:38, 11 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::I believe that UTMs tend to be more common now. These are not so much a paintball, but are sort of like a plastic cage with a wax ball inside. The round is [http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-31269281107216_2271_302393547 relatively complicated], but the system has the advantage that it can be used in any AR by just changing the bolt, and in pistols like Glocks by just swapping the barrel. The 5.56 version of this has a muzzle energy of 3.3 Joules, so in terms of energy it is between a 1 Joule airsoft bun and a 12 Joule paintball gun. It is small caliber though so the energy is much more concentrated than with a paintball, so the better way to think about how they feel is like a more powerful airsoft gun. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:33, 12 June 2016 (EDT)

== Question ==

Why yhe L- designation? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 15:09, 15 January 2017 (EST)
:It's stands for "Land Service" --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:09, 15 January 2017 (EST)

Thank you.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 16:33, 17 January 2017 (EST)

Shouldn't the G3SG/1 be on here? I read on here http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/weapons/g3.php that the SAS have utilized the rifle

== Carl Gustav ==

Any reason Carl Gustav isn’t on this list? Used by both Para’s and Royal Marines I believe --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 12:04, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Ghost Recon Wildlands

2017-06-26T18:43:20Z

Forrest1985: /* Fallen DLC */

== M4 again, finally? ==
I really hope it makes the final cut and doesn't get replaced by some other "better" AR variant or removed altogether. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:17, 17 June 2015 (EDT)
:Agreed. I heard that while trying to secure weapons for Rainbow Six Vegas they had a falling out with Colt or some such and that's why Ubisoft games haven't featured the M4, or any Colt for that matter, since. They got around it in Far Cry by using a Kimber for the 1911, but with this and The Division is seems like they have made an agreement and M4's are making a triumphant return. What other weapons are you hoping to see? Personally I'm hoping for a SIG Sauer Pistol, ideally the P226, and the Beretta PX4 Storm. --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 14:22, 18 June 2015 (GMT)
::Pretty much just the usuals: SCAR-H (as an actual battle rifle instead of a "PDR") and SSR, MK14 EBR, a Glock of any kind except the 18 (my pick would be a 21, because me love .45 long time), M4 Super 90, M45A1 CQBP, HK45, M16A4, MP7A2, and such. A P226 and Px4 would be fine with me, though I'd rather have a P220 Combat or P227 instead of a P226. I know it might sound boring, but I prefer the weapons to be relevant to the setting and forces involved in the plot, rather than a random list of high-tech or novelty guns that most bad guys would never get their hands on. I would personally prefer the M4 to be the newer [http://www.dogfightink.com/M203USSOCOM.jpg Block II] configuration, which has yet to appear in ''any'' game AFAIK, but I'll take what I can get on that front. I wouldn't mind seeing the HK417 return from Future Soldier and the G28, MK46 (I have a feeling that the "MK46" on the page is actually a MK48), MG4, and MG5/HK121 would make good additions. As a Splinter Cell fan, I'd also like to see the Five-seveN and SC4000 from Blacklist, though I don't expect to. Most of all, I just want FS' Gunsmith feature to return no matter what guns are in the game. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 11:14, 18 June 2015 (EDT)

They should add some Bolivian-made guns too.

:::Yeah the gunsmith feature was pretty huge in the last one I can't see them leaving it out of this one, I'm also hoping that no matter what weapons are in the game it's not limited to like 2 or 3 in each class, I wanna be able to play this with friends who have completely different weapons/setups each time, not everyone using the M4 or AK, just with a different scope, for me personally I want a large range of Pistols and Assault rifles, and for one of my friend who is a sniper nut I want him to be able to choose from a whole load of rifles dependent on the mission at hand. (Although personally I'm super pumped about the M40A5) --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 16:48, 18 June 2015 (GMT)

Speaking of M4, I found this in a development blog on the game's website.
[[File:GRW M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Alpha-build Ghost operative armed with an M4A1.]]
Can we use it on the main page? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:28, 2 December 2015 (EST)

== Pic of Ghosts ==

On the official Ghost Recon website there's this image as a background. I noticed a couple of things.

[[File:Ghost_Family2.jpg]]

The Cowboy-looking Ghost in the red shirt was shown in the trailer with his ballcap facing forward and there's a wrapped pistol grip showing in his thigh holster. A - I'm hoping for some kind of customization for player characters and B - from the shape of the pistol grip could that be some kind of SIG? P220 or P226?

The third Ghost has something weird that looks like it's just forward of the holo sight on his ACR/M203. Also his backpack has a callsign tape that reads FACE. Again with the customization, maybe you give your Ghost a callsign and it appears on gear? Also the suppressed pistol this Ghost has appears to have ergonomic contouring on the front of the grip, ie the HK P30 or HK45.

The Ghost on the far right has a suppressed KAC PDW over his right shoulder.

All I have. If anyone wants to integrate this into the rest of the article be my guest. I admittedly suck at it. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 05:50, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

:I'd say the Ghost on the far left has Remington MSR (as in Future Soldier), and the red shirted guy's machine gun could be KAC LMG ("Stoner 96" in FS). Also I think that the AKM on the page is just a standard 47, judging by the lack of AKM muzzle brake and shape of the front sight, but do correct me if I'm wrong. --[[User:CnC Fin|CnC Fin]] ([[User talk:CnC Fin|talk]]) 06:59, 10 August 2015 (EDT)
::The thing on the third Ghost's rifle looks like a EOTech M40GL optic.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 12:32, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

== Spoop Recon: Cocain land ==

Here's a new [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqoX0WSE-SE trailer] fresh from the fake voice over factory.

Guns i saw: M9 (could just be an 92 who knows) Remington MSR and ACR. KAC PDW and Stoner. Some AK variant. An FNP. Some other guns that i can't remember.

Ubisoft's press conferences always make me cringe my eyes out. Super edgy saying fuck, we know.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 16:33, 13 June 2016 (EDT)

== New Trailers ==
There are a couple of new trailers on the website. Among the guns were an ornate gold-plated 1911, Minigun, and M249E2. Unfortunately PRT SCRN doesn't seem to work on my new computer, so I can't cap anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhopQUFkvy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ys7VVZvTjs
[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:29, 23 June 2016 (EDT)

== Unknown AR-15 ==
So I finally figured out how PRT SCRN works on this computer and got to work capping the above trailers. The Cartel Cinematic trailer shows a Cartel member with an AR-15 that isn't the M4 already on the page.

[[File:GRW-AR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

I'm thinking maybe a MK18 Mod 1, but it's hard to make out for sure. It's definitely some kind of SBR, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 02:31, 21 September 2016 (EDT)

== Singleplayer trailer ==

Just watched the latest single player. I couldn't pick out anything new apart from the return of the P416 that appeared in Far Cry 3/4 and GR:FS as the "Goblin". The only other weapons i could pick out were the SR25, an AK and the M4A1, when a pick up icon appears after a patrolling guard is dispatched. Will re-watch it later to see if i missed anything as it nearly 30mins long.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:35, 21 January 2017 (EST)
So after using the explosive drone, the player in the trailer accesses a weapon crate. This lists the L85a2, ACR, AK47, AK12, MK48, MP5, Stoner LMG, SR25, P416. Two of the AI squad are also shown using the ACR. Interesting to note the AK47 appears in "his" and "hers" variations. The players sidearm is briefly listed as an "M9". --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 15:46, 21 January 2017 (EST)
:There was an icon for a PKS-07 scope-equipped Dragunov (a la Battlefield 3) at the end screen, too. SR25 looks like the ECC model.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 16:05, 21 January 2017 (EST)
Yeah pretty sure when the player switches from the P416 to the SR25 it does say "SR25 ECC". --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:12, 21 January 2017 (EST)
:Can you give a link to that trailer, or at least a trailer name to search for? I'd definitely like to watch it. On a side note, I know it's probably too late into development (the game's most likely gone gold by now with only minor polishing and bug fixing left to do), but it'd be nice to have the new [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/18/hk-shows-off-m110a1-csass-compact-sniper-rifle-mg4-mg5-shot-17/ M110A1 CSASS] in the game instead of the SR-25. I mean, I like the SR-25 and I'm not complaining about it, but still. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:08, 21 January 2017 (EST)
They show off a bunch of weapons here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPomOeNtWLw&t=3m45s

Sig MPX shown [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

Try this link [https://youtu.be/AgkU63lizCs here] skip to about 16:14 to see the weapon crate with the weapons i listed above. Temp89's trailer above shows MPX and Spas12. I will also find the E3 trailer i saw as the masked sniper had an M40A5 and later used MSR. I'm happy anyway, AK47, AK12 and a proper M4! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 08:27, 22 January 2017 (EST)
: Yet more trailers
:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=722kzzrOCiU
P90 TR

MP5

Saiga-12

HK MG5

Serbu super-shorty

Stoner

Famas G2

DTA Stealth Recon Scout

M40A5[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

Cheers for that! Missed the MK14 though dude. Trying to get a link but IGN has ANOTHER new trailer about 10mins long. The player has the P416 and what looks like an MP5SD? The sicarios are armed with Skorpion machine pistols and a Cobray/MAC type SMG (sorry unable to identify from pick up icon alone). Video is [https://youtu.be/tVI3VGiT7lI here] --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:42, 25 January 2017 (EST)

I can't wait for this game. I am a bit disappointed with the design of the stealth Black Hawk, though; I'd rather it look more like the ones in [[Zero Dark Thirty]], whereas these look like normal Black Hawks with the stealth tail boom and rotor hub on it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:53, 25 January 2017 (EST)
:I remember seeing an AH-1 Cobra in an earlier trailer too, hope that still makes the final cut. What I don't like is that the reload animations appear to always have the weapon charged, it looks like +1 in the chamber from Rainbow 6 Siege got forgotten :(--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:16, 25 January 2017 (EST)

Me again. New video on character customisation and gunsmith from fellow brit "westie" is up. Skip to 3:15 where weapon menu shows MG121, Saiga 12 and an M1891. Is this last weapon the mosin in Archangel style stock? Anyway good video all round (minus Westie's slightly patronising tone). Video is [https://youtu.be/884zYeuHIDc found here]. Sorry i do not know how to upload screen caps on iPhone.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:03, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsLTv8AZn3w
P45T

M1911

5.7 USG

P12

P227

Beretta M9

Desert Eagle

Serbu

Spas 12

Saiga-12

Mac-11

Vz 61

PP19

MP5 MLI

Kriss Vector

P90 TR

MP7

C1 Stirling

KAC-PDW

PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN

MPX

POF PSG

Famas G2

M4A1 SOPMOD

P416

SIG556xi

AK12

SR3M

SCAR-H

AUG A3

CZ 805 A2

L85A2

Remington R5 RGP

Stoner A1

MG121

M249

Mk48

Type 95

6P41 Pecheneg

M40A5

HTI

SVD

Mk14

Mosin–Nagant M1891

SR-25

G28

SRSA1

L115A3

MSR

Lotta R6:Siege weapons. Still not all of them as they don't scroll down.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])
:I also saw the Remington ACR (and a bunch of 5.11 gear) on a promotional screenshot.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 09:59, 29 January 2017 (EST)

== POF P416 ==

The P416 is also seen in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAP0ZMhx-tI one of the more recent gameplay trailers]. Ubisoft seems to have an interest in this rifle, as it's now been featured in Far Cry 3, ''both'' Watch Dogs games, and now GR:W.
:It's been mentioned in the posts above. I'm sure POF licensed it to Ubisoft, it's been in all of their shooters since Ghost Recon Future Soldier (and it's also in Far Cry 4, The Division, and heck, even Rainbow 6: Siege has it in the boot up screen.)--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:50, 29 January 2017 (EST)
::And yet, after being featured in all those games, the one in Wildlands has the selector on semi despite it shooting in auto.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 01:37, 30 January 2017 (EST)
:::I intend to put semi-auto triggers in all the assault rifles like I did in Future Soldier anyway, so that isn't much of a bother to me. lol [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:44, 30 January 2017 (EST)
::::I believe I've seen a fire selector mechanic in the gameplay vids, but don't quote me on that.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 20:09, 30 January 2017 (EST)
Yeah the "trigger" option from GR:FS is back acting as a fire selector. Ubisoft do seem to love this weapon! --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:25, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== Why don't the Clancy games these days show an M16 anymore ==
Many foreign armies and non-combat US units still carry the M16A2 and we still have the M16A4, where it's would have been natural for these modern shooters. But why these Clancy games won't show at least the A4 model in this game, Siege and The Division, they shown older weapons like the FAL, why can't the M16? [[User:Dangerman1973|Dangerman1973]] ([[User talk:Dangerman1973|talk]]) 17:38, 1 March 2017 (EST)

:It will be good, to see since Bolivian Army have issue them.Alongside other guns.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 02:20, 2 March 2017 (EST)
I wish that they'd use the A4. All my favourites are in the game already: P226(well, P227, although the Combat TB is the coolest), and the L115A3. If a game has the M16A4 in it, rest assured it will be my go-to weapon. Preferably with a TA31, PEQ-15, and VFG on it. I think the main reason I like it so much is because the [http://cdn3.volusion.com/j4enh.r2en5/v/vspfiles/photos/KAC%2098065-2.jpg?1456827038 M5 RAS] is the coolest looking handguard ever(albeit reportedly quite heavy).--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 15:29, 2 March 2017 (EST)
:One possible reason (due in part to the female character options) could be is that the original long M16 stock is apparently not very easy for women (in full combat gear) to shoulder, as I was once told by a female Marine major in a class last semester. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 23:31, 2 March 2017 (EST)

There are a few other weapons that would be higher on my list, TBH. HK416, HK417, M110A1, SCAR SSR, Glock 19, SIG P320, to name some. Super stoked there's a 1911, though. Besides, the Clancy games tend to focus on special ops type units, units that wouldn't realistically be using full-length rifles. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:12, 3 March 2017 (EST)

Anyone know if Bolivia got gun factories? I think too,that a Bolivian gun would fit well, since game is set in Bolivia.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 08:34, 3 March 2017 (EST)

:They may have some licensed factories, but I don't even know of any Bolivian firearms manufacturers. I would like the option for a real M16, though. I got a "Clear and Present Danger" feel when I was playing the other day. Another issue is how the camos are different shades on different clothes. The helmet, pants, and most backpacks are a lighter shade than the shirts and vests, so you basically can't use all one camo without looking ridiculous. Why do they think easily fixable but major flaws like this are okay? Some of the camos look wrong in general thanks to bad scaling. I recognize that it won't be perfect because lighting doesn't work the same way as in real life, but still.--[[User:Fidget|Fidget]] ([[User talk:Fidget|talk]]) 13:01, 8 March 2017 (EST)

==Reference Screenshot Standards==
So here's a stupid question: what's the preferred way to screenshot gun in the gunsmith menu? I assumed we would use the "preview" feature, which removes all the information from the screen and zooms in on the gun. But no matter where you are or what time it is in game, there is always an annoyingly bright red glare like from a sunset on the gun. I have examples below, but it's actually far worse on some guns. You can somewhat negate this by angling the gun with the right stick so that it's not a perfect profile shot. I was going to do the P-90, MP5, and others today, but I might wait to see what the consensus is.
[[Image:GRW M4A1.jpeg|thumb|none|800px|Straight profile view.]]
[[Image:Ghost Recon Wildlands M4A1 profile.jpeg|thumb|none|800px|Angled.]]
I also used the 30 round magazine option instead of the default 20 since the catalog reference photo of the M4A1 has a 30 rounder.
--[[User:Fidget|Fidget]] ([[User talk:Fidget|talk]]) 13:01, 8 March 2017 (EST)
:Honestly I can't even tell the difference in profile, so what you are doing seems fine. Someone with the PC version might be able to get cleaner shots by modifying their graphics, but I doubt it matters that much.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 14:52, 8 March 2017 (EST)
:: I would definitely echo using the 30 round magazine. Feel free to overwrite the grainy trailer screen. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

==Thing that bugs me==
Ok, i don't know if its because of lack of research or engine limitation but the bolts don't move at all (you can notice especially on the g36c) and when you pull the handle on the various ARs in the game. Still, very enjoyable despite this shortcoming but its kind of a bummer considering this one had plenty of military advisors covering things up.--[[User:Death Shadow20|Death Shadow20]] ([[User talk:Death Shadow20|talk]]) 16:26, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
:I'm a bit more perturbed by the fact that charging handles are always yanked even when reloading mid-magazine; the previous Ghost Recon didn't have this and there also isn't any +1 in the chamber. I'd expect more consistency between this game and Rainbow 6: Siege.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:54, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
::I think that the lack of a +1 in the chamber IS the reason that the charging handle is always cycled. Given that the player character actually uses a thumbs forward grip (Probably only the third mainstream game to have it, after MOH and Halo 5), I think that the dev team likely wanted to keep it simple. --[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 17:40, 12 April 2017 (EDT)

== Ares machine gun ==

I'm pretty sure the Ares machine gun is actually based of the [http://www.evike.com/products/55432/ Krytac LMG], which is an airsoft gun.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:09, 22 April 2017 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:55, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:Well heck me bum then, Tom Clancy must be rolling in his grave now that these games are officially using chairsoft guns as reference. I think it should still have the Ares citation though as that Krytac gun seems to be based on one of the Shrike variants.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:44, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

== Unidentified guns ==

* El Commandante

* Jackdaw Pistol

* Peacemaker (maybe a SAA)

* Flare Gun

== The game is a mess when it comes to weapons ==

Having played the game all the way through, it's obvious that the developers either didn't care, or just half-assed a lot of the weapon mechanics. As a gun enthusiast, Wildlands is painful to play through.

*The ballistics for most weapons are terrible. Bullets visibly drop out of the air like cannonballs, and even .338 Lapua rifles drop like crazy. Sniping at greater than 1km is difficult, mainly due to the ballistics being terrible and other gameplay factors. It's possible, but difficult. .50 BMG HTI somehow drops ''more'' than the 7.62x51mm M40A5, and the .338LM MSR drops just as bad as a 7.62x54R Dragunov.

*The ammo limits are completely wrong and make no sense. Assault rifles max out at 225 rounds. Doesn't matter if the gun holds 20, 30 or 50 rounds, its 225 rounds in reserve. 225 isn't divisible by any of those numbers. Its even worse for shotguns; you get 45 rounds. So if using the Saiga-12 with a 30 round drum, that's 1 and 1/2 reloads. Pistols get 225 rounds as well; if you're carrying a Desert Eagle, that's 31.5 magazines of ammo.

*The attachment system is full of holes and bugs; some guns won't take any attachments, yet have the rails and means to do so (PKM is guilty of this, has a railed fore-end, yet can't take a grip, Stoner LMG can be silenced, other LMGs can't), the M4's stock can't be extended, the R5 can't fire in anything but full-auto, pistols have no compensator options or reflex sight options, the AUG A3's 30-round magazine is hilariously oversized (it's based on some fictional 60 round AUG magazine that's substantially bigger than the AUG HBAR's 45 round magazine), the SCAR-H's 20 round magazine glitches and turns into a 30-round magazine when equipped, the list goes on.

*The pistol mechanics are shoddy; the hammers don't move, and every gun save for the P12/USP fires with an uncocked hammer. The slides don't even lock back, and there's no +1 chambering for weapons.

*The reload animations are insanely same-y; weapons will have one of three reload animations. The MP5 and Scorpion EVO3 have the same animations, the MP7 and M4 have the same animations, the SPAS-12 is never cocked when reloaded, every pistol reloads the same. There's no variety. There's no mid-mag reloads; each time the charging handle is pulled back, and it's done with the shooting hand; a big no-no in the military. As AgentGumby mentioned (thanks btw), all of the underbarrels reload like the GP-25. That means the M203 and M320 both breech-load, which should be impossible given their design.

*Emptying a bolt-action rifle and reloading it plays an extra cycling animation after the bolt is seated, which should eject a round and is completely unnecessary given pushing the bolt forward after replacing the magazine has already chambered a round.

Just wanted to give my two cents. For a game from a franchise that's about tactical realism, Wildlands is atrociously bad when it comes to weapons.
[[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 23:30, 16 May 2017 (EDT)

Hilariously, the M40A5 actually has ''less'' bullet drop than the .338 rifles in the game. A couple of the sniper rifles aren't zeroed with certain scopes (put a PEQ-15 on the G28 with its similarly-named scope and you'll see its point of impact is one dot above center, the Dragunov with PKS-07 and L115A3 are both even worse). And no 10" M4 barrel option? What madness is ''that''?! It's still an okay game, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:12, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

:I'm pretty sure the pistol hammers are cocked in the world models, the hammer is up in Gunsmith though. The P227 is the one exception to this (DA only trigger, perhaps?)--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 11:48, 17 May 2017 (EDT) EDIT: and don't forget, all the UBGLs reload like the GP25.....

::Pistol hammers aren't cocked for the most part in the world models, the D50 is most guilty of this, as is the P45. Both have uncocked hammers, as do a lot of the other pistols. Will have to double check, but from what I've seen, the pistols don't display proper mechanics. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 13:40, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:::They are fine for me, what platform do you play on?--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:55, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Xbox One. I mainly use the Desert Eagle, but all of the pistols save for the USP45 Tactical in my game have uncocked hammers in Gunsmith and gameplay. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 14:21, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
:Does anyone else feel like a lot of the weapon models are a bit "off"? Particularly the AK and M4, they just seem like they were modelled off of not very good airsoft guns rather than real guns. Despite its problems, The Division has far better weapons modelling.--[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 14:34, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Most of the proportions of the M4 are pretty good, however the one thing that is off that makes the whole gun look wonky is the stock, which for some reason they have made this grossly oversized. With the real stock the bottom of it is level with the bottom of the trigger guard, and length wise this stock retracted is only just shorter than the real stock fully extended. It's like they didn't want to model it being extended so they just stretched the whole thing, but this is really weird as they model the Magpul CTR stock on the other ARs correctly with it being extended on the buffer tube. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 12:39, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::::They were to busy licensing that sweet 5.11 gear to care about the guns.--[[User:AnActualAK47|AnActualAK47]] ([[User talk:AnActualAK47|talk]]) 19:25, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::mfw I bought a pair of 5.11 boots for school a couple of months ago and they aren't even in the game. But on the topic of The Division, it's gameplay is so much more fluid and less buggy that I'd probably recommend it over this. This game needs a health program more than Rainbow Six Siege does. --[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 19:55, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::Whoever developed this did such a terrible job with the guns, mechanics and ammo limits, it's baffling. It's 2017, yet the game plays like something from 2006-2007. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 14:21, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::The ammo limit with semi-auto sniper rifles is most frustrating, IMO. It's not so much an issue with bolt action rifles, but using a semi-auto it's easy to burn through pretty fast, especially if you should have to go rock and roll with the MK14 (which should have been in the assault rifle category, IMO) for any reason. Seriously, I can only carry 84 rounds for my G28, but for my SCAR-H can carry 225 rounds of the ''exact same caliber and same mag capacity''? I'll just try to ignore the fact that the G28 is modeled with a ''416'' receiver... [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 19:44, 20 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Not to mention that 225 isn't divisible by any of the magazine capacities, nor is 84. That means with a 20 round sniper rifle, you get 4 full reloads, and then one reload that only has four rounds. It makes no sense. It's especially stupid with pistols; the limit is 225, so with a Desert Eagle holding 7 rounds, thats ''31.5'' magazines of .50AE. [[User:Antediluvial|Antediluvial]] ([[User talk:Antediluvial|talk]]) 15:52, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Counting ammo reserves in total number of individual cartridges instead if magazines is just an unfortunate inescapable reality in gaming today that I've grudgingly just come to accept. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:07, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== Fallen DLC ==

They alleged new guns in the upcoming DLC are the Galil ACE (yawn), a PSG-1, a BFG-50A, a Magpul PDR, and a Desert Tech MDR.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]])

:And no HK416. *shoots self in head* [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 22:46, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

Its an R4 not a Galil Ace. Although the Galil AR/ ARM would have better suited a south american setting.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 14:43, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== ... ==

[https://gyazo.com/9789e72616a3792aa45146176fa6b795 This] is what happens when the Python fires from the pov of another player...--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 01:16, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Far Cry 5

2017-06-02T20:24:23Z

Forrest1985: /* Gun Wishlist */

Looks like UbiSoft will be revealing the gameplay on Friday (May 26th) but, for now, they have released a teaser image. Looks like the game is set in Montana and the villains are a crazy, religious cult (Like the Westboro Baptist Church, I guess).--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:42, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

[[File:FarCry5_Teaser_Poster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

:Wonder if the enemies will all still be running around with AK-103s and P416s as they have been in the last two games...., also, I hope they paid the NFA tax on those short-barreled carbines or we'll be ATF simulator-ing that dog.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:42, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::I bet it'll be full auto weapons all around because Ubisoft, a French company with developers in Canada thinks every American is a white red neck with full auto M16s in their back yard [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:48, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::To be fair, a combination of black market usage, home gunsmithing/machining, and theft could net one a fair amount of fully-automatic weaponry (especially if, as seems to be the case here, the group in question effectively operates without any law enforcement supervision), but still, there have to be some limits. Full-auto converted AR-15 carbines and Luty-style SMGs I could understand; FAMASes and QLZ-87s, well, I'd be a fair bit less forgiving. Then again, this is Far Cry, so it's not exactly meant to make a whole lot of sense. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Ubisoft just doesn't care all that much about realism and prefers to include cool guns in their games. I can't imagine the weapon set in Far Cry 5 will be any attempt at a political statement at all, though people will certainly take it as such given the new setting. It's gonna be a big amalgamation of different cool to use but ultimately probably not very realistic weapons. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:29, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
To be serious, aside from how this may be a dumb story plot, I do hope they use different weapon templates. I will be pissed if I see the same AK, POF 416, SIG and for the love of God, there better not be any FAMASs in this game set in America. Also, the image already confirmed RPGs...even though really no one can get them here [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:48, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Nah, man, they're totally gonna keep reusing weapons from previous games. I mean, it's apparently not an Ubisoft game these days if it doesn't have the Far Cry 3 P416 model in it somewhere (I'm legit surprised they haven't thrown it into R6 Siege yet), plus there's all these other models from Watch_Dogs 2 and Wildlands just begging to be put into another game or two... [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 05:54, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::in all seriousness though I would love at least a different AK model or something. This one's gonna be set in America, give us a 5.56mm AK. Wouldn't even need much work to turn the AK-103 model into a believable AK-101, I'd like to imagine. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 05:56, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::The P416 actually [http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/359550/header.jpg?t=1495046645 shows up] in the initial startup screen of Siege, lol. Also, there's no reason why an AK in America has to be 5.56; it just shouldn't be an AK-100 series since those aren't exactly imported in America (Arsenal SLR is probably the closest thing).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:43, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
I'm just hoping they're let you use more than 3 attachments in the single player.
:Honestly, it's not even the "3 attachment" trope that pisses me off the most, but it's the fact that Ubisoft actually locks some attachments to multiplayer only and you have to download a patch to be able to use them in SP. (Like the SPAS-12 suppressor and the SVD illuminated sight). Nobody even plays Far Cry multiplayer, so why even bother doing that??? --[[User:Patfast|Patfast]] ([[User talk:Patfast|talk]]) 14:25, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::On the subject of attachments, here's hoping that extended magazines actually change the weapon models now. Now, a lot of these changes that we hope for aren't likely, but hey, a man can dream. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:08, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
To be fair, the RPG-7 is one of few (common) reusable rocket launcher out there, so if they're gonna include any at all (which they will, because it's Far Cry, come on), is not a poor choice. The Desert Eagle and MP5 will also likely return, seeing as how they've been in every major Far Cry game to date. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:23, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

I hope they really switch up the current Far Cry formula of "you must defeat le psychotic bad guy by capturing ALL the radio towers", but knowing Ubisoft, probably not. Also, $50 on there being at least one Buford T. Justice caricature of a southern police officer. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:Nice job out there! Only 5 more bell towers to go and you can buy an RPG from an unsuspecting gun store, because obviously that's how it works in America! --[[User:Patfast|Patfast]] ([[User talk:Patfast|talk]]) 14:16, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::They're going to set it in an Amish community, so all this will be new to them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::I can't find the pic, but someone did photoshop the image so it said Duck Dynasty 5 instead. That made me chuckle.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 01:02, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

Grrrrhhh it will be a Far Cry 3/4 just with a different skin (hero join a La Resistânce group for defeat the Bad Guy/Guys)... they should had done something revolutionary like they did Far Cry 3. It didnt look the same to Far Cry 2, and if werent for the title you won't even assume they were same series...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:42, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

== Trailer Dropped ==
Well, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdaoe4hbMso UbiSoft] dropped the trailer and it looks good. In terms of weapons, I don't think I saw any from the previous games (thankfully), but I did see two shotguns I couldn't ID, what looks to be a PDW, an AK-74, and a VERY quick shot of a revolver. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 13:18, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
: Looks like there's a Remington 870 with wooden furniture as well, and another short-barreled "cruiser" pump-action with polymer furniture, Browning M2HBs on the technicals, a MAC-10/11. According to the Far Cry website, the game's AR-type gun is called the "AR-C", and doesn't look to be based on any particular AR variant (that I know of), though the selector switch looks kind of like an HK's. The sawed-off "D2 Shotgun" from Far Cry 4 appears to be returning, but with a new model this time (thank god it's not the cut down Double Rifle.) Though this time around it looks like it was manufactured that way, seeing that it has front sights and a proper finish, making it technically not "sawed-off" at all. The 1911 is also back, and also has a new model. Looks to be an amalgamation of several M1911 variants (Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc.) rather than a single one.
--[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 16:44, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

::I've never been particularly good at telling pump-action shotguns apart (unless it's a SPAS-12 or maybe an Ithaca they really all look nearly the same to me), but taking a close look at the shotgun in the trailer and comparing it to screenshots from Far Cry 4, I think it ''might'' possibly be the FC4 M133 model. Again. Damnit. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 04:15, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
:::If you watch the character trailers, you can see it's not the same model (it's especially clear at the end of the one set in the bar.) It's got a much longer barrel and a shorter magazine tube than the MP133. Which is good, because not only is reusing the models dumb, but the Baikal is also a pretty bad choice in rural America when you have the equally common and near-identical M870. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:09, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
::Here's an amalgamation of several trailers into one, giving some good shots of some of the weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxav5An1sAs [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:53, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Luckily Ubi decided to get it together and give most of the weapons new models this time around. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 02:27, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
::I think that the reason the AR and 1911 don't seem to be based on any particular model might be intended to reflect how people will custom build their AR's and 1911's rather than just buying a full one off the shelf A LOT nowadays, which is something I've been wanting to see in a game for a while.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 14:35, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

== Gun Wishlist ==

What do you folks want? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:24, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

: Well already there appears to be some kind of high caliber lever gun from what I see from the trailer. Guide gun maybe? I'd love a Browning BLR, maybe a BAR Safri as a Hunting/Sniper Rifle too. I'm fully expecting some kind of AK as well, whether it be a video game mashup or maybe even a civi variant like a Romanian WASR converted for full auto, because I highly doubt FC5 will have fire controls for selective fire. Also expecting some more Revolvers too, although I'm hoping for a more traditional .357 revolver over the .44 Magnum. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 12:08, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:I'm just hoping we get a few of the "American classics" in there - Single Action Army, Thompson, M1 Garand, etc. Older American movie guns like the TEC-9, MP5A3, Winchester 1887, and Desert Eagle, all of which have been in FC games in the past, hopefully will reappear as well (some, like the MAC-10 are already confirmed.) --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 13:11, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:The Coonan, though that's probably hoping for too much, considering how obscure the damned thing is. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 15:17, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::Aaaand cue this random guy listing off a bunch of stuff that's varying degrees of strange, and will never get into the game: A Ruger PMR-30, a Chiappa Rhino, literally anything made by Mateba, a COP 357, a Taurus Judge, a Thompson Center Contender, a Magnum Research BFR, a Remington XP-100, an Arsenal AF2011A1, an HK VP70M, a Ruger 10/22, with a 25-round BX-25 magazine and an aftermarket full-auto trigger pack (yes, those exist, and they are absolutely hilarious), an American-180, an AR-18, an M2 Carbine, an STGW-57, an Ithaca MAG-10 Roadblocker, a Chiappa Triple Threat, a DP-12, an SRM M1216, a K31 with an optional aftermarket scope mount, a Mossberg 464 SPX, a Hadar II, an HK SL8, the .700 Nitro side-by-side from FC4, a Kel-Tec RFB, a Lahti L-39, an M2 Flamethrower (to replace the jury-rigged LPO-50 from the earlier games), a Manville Gas Gun, a Gyrojet, a Hawk MM1... on one hand, listing off all these random-ass weapons makes me happy; on the other hand, realizing that they'll never be in this game (and, most likely, a fair amount of them won't be in many/any games at all) makes me sad. Yours truly dishonestly, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:45, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:I'd kill for not the Colt Python, but its more obscure just-as-cool cousin the [[Colt Trooper Mk III]] ( 4in. blued is a must ). Pistols I would like would be the [[SIG P210]], a [[First Model CZ 75]], the [[AMC Auto Mag Pistol]], the [[Smith & Wesson 39]], and a [[Mauser HSc]]. The only other thing is to have a [[Federal Gas Riot Gun]] as a launcher. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::An M9A3, Browning Hi Power, Glock 19, the Judge someone mentioned earlier, the M500 (because ''Far Cry''), and the M29 for handguns/magnums. A good old tried and true AR-15 as a basic rifle would be nice, along with the Mini-14 and maybe a full-size M14 for DMRs, the expected AK and M16 variants for assault rifles, an M1903 (ala ''Far Cry 2''), M1 (which you can upgrade into an M1-C), and some form of Barret rifle for snipers, the 870, Ithaca (with mods for making it a Stakeout), KSG, and some form of Armsel drum-fed shotgun for shotguns, and the tried and true M249, M60, and M2 for machine guns of various flavors. I'd also like to see the M79 come back from ''Far Cry 2'' because it adds such a new dynamic to gunplay. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 22:30, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:::For the record, the M79 was also in ''Far Cry 4'', and it was awesome there too, I'd love for it to make another return. Personally, I'd also like to see a FAL of some variety (preferably a full-size model just so they at least have to put ''some'' work into it instead of just copying over the ''Future Soldier''/''Blacklist'' SA58 and calling it a day) and some more revolvers. Maybe a Charter Arms Bulldog, they could make the Signature version into the ''Blade Runner'' gun. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 00:34, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

They should add civilian variants of military guns like the [[ARX-160|ARX-100]], the Texan-buiod [[MSBS]],[[SCAR-L]], the [[SIG-Sauer P320]] that is now standard of US Army,Glocks,[[SR-47]]...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:51, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

I wish for an actual regular Glock. G17, or G19 and it isn't a full auto Glock as the default. Make the full auto Glock a special gun you get later. For handguns, an M&P series, maybe in .40 since your character will be a cop of sorts or LEO. For new gun flavors, I want to see the MPX, Scorpion Evo 3, MDR. Let's see some Kel-tec guns like their KSG, even though it isn't really a new hotness anymore or the RFB or the RDB. There are so many guns in America to choose from. I want to see an SKS or something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:43, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Personally I'd love to see some factual basis for the guns in this game. Having the likes of say an ultimax or PKP say just doesn't fit. I'd also like say a Krebs or Rifle Dynamics AK. Both are good US made platforms and not seen in a VG before. Also ditch the staple weapons. No desert eagle, no P416, no AK103 variant.
A decent domestic AR15 variant would be nice as opposed to the standard M4/M16 we see from typical VG. Also add a glock, a SIG and a SCAR H/RFB instead of the ACE.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:26, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:The Desert Eagle would make more sense in the American setting than any of the other Far Cry games, ironically enough. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 14:10, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

The 2016 version would be awesome.--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 15:11, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

I wouldn't mind them bringing back the Tec-9. Add a MAC-10 with the big old suppressor would be cool. I seriously doubt a non-American company like Ubisoft to be aware of specific custom gun makers like Rifle Dynamics or Taran Tactical unless those companies reach out to Ubisoft to have their guns represented or someone on the design team reach out to them [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:56, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

Mac-10 in place of tec9 from FC4 wold be nice with the huge suppressor as the signiture edition. With regards to desert eagle, its really accurate but for me its an overused hollywood wonder weapon bit like Glock 18. I'd prefer a nice S&W or Colt revolver in the classic VG "hand cannon" slot instead. With regards to RD, Krebs, or TT I am sure Ubisoft have google? Activision seems to make great use of it for their weapon choses. It was my personal wishlist hence the addition of an american based AK designer. If they wanted an authentic setting rather than just re-use guns from R6 siege and watch dogs then perhaps they could have done some research? I do love Ubisoft but they are definitely following the COD rinse and repeat when it comes to firearms. A classic 1911 would be nice perhaps with the back story that it was the main characters Grandads piece from WW2. --[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 16:24, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

== Screenshots ==
https://postimg.org/image/jatr0x2id/ & https://postimg.org/image/hkapzfkz9/

Ubisoft uploaded a few screenshots to their website, these are high def variants. They look doctored to me, but assuming this is anything like what the game will be (ha ha), there are a few things that stick out: the WW2 plane in the second image is definitely a frankenplane, a bastard child of a Ju 87 and Bf 109 by the looks of it. It looks like the rear facing MG15 has been replaced by a Browning M2, or maybe an AN/M2 (something I'm okay with, because an actual firing MG15 would make very little sense.) Also, in the first image, you can see the ally on the right has an AR-type that's very similar to the one the player & enemies are holding, but it's a longer-barreled variant and has a custom paint job (and no sights at all, ugh.) This, combined with the fact that there are even more AR-types shown in promo images or trailers makes me think that weapon customization will actually be somewhat extensive in this game, rather than the "two attachments per gun" thing Far Cry 3 & 4 had going. It COULD just be a signature rifle or something, but I'm willing to bet it might be more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 11:44, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

I can already tell the AR has the front sight on backwards...like the last game. The rail kinda reminds me of Daniel Defense's new M-Lok rail [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 15:57, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Far Cry 5

2017-06-02T17:26:04Z

Forrest1985: /* Gun Wishlist */

Looks like UbiSoft will be revealing the gameplay on Friday (May 26th) but, for now, they have released a teaser image. Looks like the game is set in Montana and the villains are a crazy, religious cult (Like the Westboro Baptist Church, I guess).--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 14:42, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

[[File:FarCry5_Teaser_Poster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

:Wonder if the enemies will all still be running around with AK-103s and P416s as they have been in the last two games...., also, I hope they paid the NFA tax on those short-barreled carbines or we'll be ATF simulator-ing that dog.--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 15:42, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::I bet it'll be full auto weapons all around because Ubisoft, a French company with developers in Canada thinks every American is a white red neck with full auto M16s in their back yard [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:48, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::To be fair, a combination of black market usage, home gunsmithing/machining, and theft could net one a fair amount of fully-automatic weaponry (especially if, as seems to be the case here, the group in question effectively operates without any law enforcement supervision), but still, there have to be some limits. Full-auto converted AR-15 carbines and Luty-style SMGs I could understand; FAMASes and QLZ-87s, well, I'd be a fair bit less forgiving. Then again, this is Far Cry, so it's not exactly meant to make a whole lot of sense. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 21:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Ubisoft just doesn't care all that much about realism and prefers to include cool guns in their games. I can't imagine the weapon set in Far Cry 5 will be any attempt at a political statement at all, though people will certainly take it as such given the new setting. It's gonna be a big amalgamation of different cool to use but ultimately probably not very realistic weapons. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:29, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
To be serious, aside from how this may be a dumb story plot, I do hope they use different weapon templates. I will be pissed if I see the same AK, POF 416, SIG and for the love of God, there better not be any FAMASs in this game set in America. Also, the image already confirmed RPGs...even though really no one can get them here [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 17:48, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Nah, man, they're totally gonna keep reusing weapons from previous games. I mean, it's apparently not an Ubisoft game these days if it doesn't have the Far Cry 3 P416 model in it somewhere (I'm legit surprised they haven't thrown it into R6 Siege yet), plus there's all these other models from Watch_Dogs 2 and Wildlands just begging to be put into another game or two... [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 05:54, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::in all seriousness though I would love at least a different AK model or something. This one's gonna be set in America, give us a 5.56mm AK. Wouldn't even need much work to turn the AK-103 model into a believable AK-101, I'd like to imagine. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 05:56, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::The P416 actually [http://cdn.edgecast.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/359550/header.jpg?t=1495046645 shows up] in the initial startup screen of Siege, lol. Also, there's no reason why an AK in America has to be 5.56; it just shouldn't be an AK-100 series since those aren't exactly imported in America (Arsenal SLR is probably the closest thing).--[[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 10:43, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
I'm just hoping they're let you use more than 3 attachments in the single player.
:Honestly, it's not even the "3 attachment" trope that pisses me off the most, but it's the fact that Ubisoft actually locks some attachments to multiplayer only and you have to download a patch to be able to use them in SP. (Like the SPAS-12 suppressor and the SVD illuminated sight). Nobody even plays Far Cry multiplayer, so why even bother doing that??? --[[User:Patfast|Patfast]] ([[User talk:Patfast|talk]]) 14:25, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::On the subject of attachments, here's hoping that extended magazines actually change the weapon models now. Now, a lot of these changes that we hope for aren't likely, but hey, a man can dream. [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 20:08, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
To be fair, the RPG-7 is one of few (common) reusable rocket launcher out there, so if they're gonna include any at all (which they will, because it's Far Cry, come on), is not a poor choice. The Desert Eagle and MP5 will also likely return, seeing as how they've been in every major Far Cry game to date. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:23, 25 May 2017 (EDT)

I hope they really switch up the current Far Cry formula of "you must defeat le psychotic bad guy by capturing ALL the radio towers", but knowing Ubisoft, probably not. Also, $50 on there being at least one Buford T. Justice caricature of a southern police officer. --[[User:Aidoru|Aidoru]] ([[User talk:Aidoru|talk]]) 01:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:Nice job out there! Only 5 more bell towers to go and you can buy an RPG from an unsuspecting gun store, because obviously that's how it works in America! --[[User:Patfast|Patfast]] ([[User talk:Patfast|talk]]) 14:16, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::They're going to set it in an Amish community, so all this will be new to them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 14:22, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:::I can't find the pic, but someone did photoshop the image so it said Duck Dynasty 5 instead. That made me chuckle.--[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 01:02, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

Grrrrhhh it will be a Far Cry 3/4 just with a different skin (hero join a La Resistânce group for defeat the Bad Guy/Guys)... they should had done something revolutionary like they did Far Cry 3. It didnt look the same to Far Cry 2, and if werent for the title you won't even assume they were same series...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:42, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

== Trailer Dropped ==
Well, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdaoe4hbMso UbiSoft] dropped the trailer and it looks good. In terms of weapons, I don't think I saw any from the previous games (thankfully), but I did see two shotguns I couldn't ID, what looks to be a PDW, an AK-74, and a VERY quick shot of a revolver. --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 13:18, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
: Looks like there's a Remington 870 with wooden furniture as well, and another short-barreled "cruiser" pump-action with polymer furniture, Browning M2HBs on the technicals, a MAC-10/11. According to the Far Cry website, the game's AR-type gun is called the "AR-C", and doesn't look to be based on any particular AR variant (that I know of), though the selector switch looks kind of like an HK's. The sawed-off "D2 Shotgun" from Far Cry 4 appears to be returning, but with a new model this time (thank god it's not the cut down Double Rifle.) Though this time around it looks like it was manufactured that way, seeing that it has front sights and a proper finish, making it technically not "sawed-off" at all. The 1911 is also back, and also has a new model. Looks to be an amalgamation of several M1911 variants (Springfield Armory, Kimber, etc.) rather than a single one.
--[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 16:44, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

::I've never been particularly good at telling pump-action shotguns apart (unless it's a SPAS-12 or maybe an Ithaca they really all look nearly the same to me), but taking a close look at the shotgun in the trailer and comparing it to screenshots from Far Cry 4, I think it ''might'' possibly be the FC4 M133 model. Again. Damnit. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 04:15, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
:::If you watch the character trailers, you can see it's not the same model (it's especially clear at the end of the one set in the bar.) It's got a much longer barrel and a shorter magazine tube than the MP133. Which is good, because not only is reusing the models dumb, but the Baikal is also a pretty bad choice in rural America when you have the equally common and near-identical M870. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 18:09, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
::Here's an amalgamation of several trailers into one, giving some good shots of some of the weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxav5An1sAs [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 16:53, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
Luckily Ubi decided to get it together and give most of the weapons new models this time around. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 02:27, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
::I think that the reason the AR and 1911 don't seem to be based on any particular model might be intended to reflect how people will custom build their AR's and 1911's rather than just buying a full one off the shelf A LOT nowadays, which is something I've been wanting to see in a game for a while.--[[User:BlackHawk510|BlackHawk510]] ([[User talk:BlackHawk510|talk]]) 14:35, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

== Gun Wishlist ==

What do you folks want? --[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 09:24, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

: Well already there appears to be some kind of high caliber lever gun from what I see from the trailer. Guide gun maybe? I'd love a Browning BLR, maybe a BAR Safri as a Hunting/Sniper Rifle too. I'm fully expecting some kind of AK as well, whether it be a video game mashup or maybe even a civi variant like a Romanian WASR converted for full auto, because I highly doubt FC5 will have fire controls for selective fire. Also expecting some more Revolvers too, although I'm hoping for a more traditional .357 revolver over the .44 Magnum. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 12:08, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:I'm just hoping we get a few of the "American classics" in there - Single Action Army, Thompson, M1 Garand, etc. Older American movie guns like the TEC-9, MP5A3, Winchester 1887, and Desert Eagle, all of which have been in FC games in the past, hopefully will reappear as well (some, like the MAC-10 are already confirmed.) --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 13:11, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:The Coonan, though that's probably hoping for too much, considering how obscure the damned thing is. --[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] ([[User talk:Yocapo32|talk]]) 15:17, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::Aaaand cue this random guy listing off a bunch of stuff that's varying degrees of strange, and will never get into the game: A Ruger PMR-30, a Chiappa Rhino, literally anything made by Mateba, a COP 357, a Taurus Judge, a Thompson Center Contender, a Magnum Research BFR, a Remington XP-100, an Arsenal AF2011A1, an HK VP70M, a Ruger 10/22, with a 25-round BX-25 magazine and an aftermarket full-auto trigger pack (yes, those exist, and they are absolutely hilarious), an American-180, an AR-18, an M2 Carbine, an STGW-57, an Ithaca MAG-10 Roadblocker, a Chiappa Triple Threat, a DP-12, an SRM M1216, a K31 with an optional aftermarket scope mount, a Mossberg 464 SPX, a Hadar II, an HK SL8, the .700 Nitro side-by-side from FC4, a Kel-Tec RFB, a Lahti L-39, an M2 Flamethrower (to replace the jury-rigged LPO-50 from the earlier games), a Manville Gas Gun, a Gyrojet, a Hawk MM1... on one hand, listing off all these random-ass weapons makes me happy; on the other hand, realizing that they'll never be in this game (and, most likely, a fair amount of them won't be in many/any games at all) makes me sad. Yours truly dishonestly, [[User:Pyr0m4n14c|Pyr0m4n14c]] ([[User talk:Pyr0m4n14c|talk]]) 17:45, 29 May 2017 (EDT)

:I'd kill for not the Colt Python, but its more obscure just-as-cool cousin the [[Colt Trooper Mk III]] ( 4in. blued is a must ). Pistols I would like would be the [[SIG P210]], a [[First Model CZ 75]], the [[AMC Auto Mag Pistol]], the [[Smith & Wesson 39]], and a [[Mauser HSc]]. The only other thing is to have a [[Federal Gas Riot Gun]] as a launcher. -[[User:SeptemberJack|SeptemberJack]] ([[User talk:SeptemberJack|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::An M9A3, Browning Hi Power, Glock 19, the Judge someone mentioned earlier, the M500 (because ''Far Cry''), and the M29 for handguns/magnums. A good old tried and true AR-15 as a basic rifle would be nice, along with the Mini-14 and maybe a full-size M14 for DMRs, the expected AK and M16 variants for assault rifles, an M1903 (ala ''Far Cry 2''), M1 (which you can upgrade into an M1-C), and some form of Barret rifle for snipers, the 870, Ithaca (with mods for making it a Stakeout), KSG, and some form of Armsel drum-fed shotgun for shotguns, and the tried and true M249, M60, and M2 for machine guns of various flavors. I'd also like to see the M79 come back from ''Far Cry 2'' because it adds such a new dynamic to gunplay. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 22:30, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:::For the record, the M79 was also in ''Far Cry 4'', and it was awesome there too, I'd love for it to make another return. Personally, I'd also like to see a FAL of some variety (preferably a full-size model just so they at least have to put ''some'' work into it instead of just copying over the ''Future Soldier''/''Blacklist'' SA58 and calling it a day) and some more revolvers. Maybe a Charter Arms Bulldog, they could make the Signature version into the ''Blade Runner'' gun. [[User:Kadorhal|Kadorhal]] ([[User talk:Kadorhal|talk]]) 00:34, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

They should add civilian variants of military guns like the [[ARX-160|ARX-100]], the Texan-buiod [[MSBS]],[[SCAR-L]], the [[SIG-Sauer P320]] that is now standard of US Army,Glocks,[[SR-47]]...--[[User:Dannyguns|Dannyguns]] ([[User talk:Dannyguns|talk]]) 07:51, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

I wish for an actual regular Glock. G17, or G19 and it isn't a full auto Glock as the default. Make the full auto Glock a special gun you get later. For handguns, an M&P series, maybe in .40 since your character will be a cop of sorts or LEO. For new gun flavors, I want to see the MPX, Scorpion Evo 3, MDR. Let's see some Kel-tec guns like their KSG, even though it isn't really a new hotness anymore or the RFB or the RDB. There are so many guns in America to choose from. I want to see an SKS or something [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:43, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

Personally I'd love to see some factual basis for the guns in this game. Having the likes of say an ultimax or PKP say just doesn't fit. I'd also like say a Krebs or Rifle Dynamics AK. Both are good US made platforms and not seen in a VG before. Also ditch the staple weapons. No desert eagle, no P416, no AK103 variant.
A decent domestic AR15 variant would be nice as opposed to the standard M4/M16 we see from typical VG. Also add a glock, a SIG and a SCAR H/RFB instead of the ACE.--[[User:Forrest1985|Forrest1985]] ([[User talk:Forrest1985|talk]]) 13:26, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

== Screenshots ==
https://postimg.org/image/jatr0x2id/ & https://postimg.org/image/hkapzfkz9/

Ubisoft uploaded a few screenshots to their website, these are high def variants. They look doctored to me, but assuming this is anything like what the game will be (ha ha), there are a few things that stick out: the WW2 plane in the second image is definitely a frankenplane, a bastard child of a Ju 87 and Bf 109 by the looks of it. It looks like the rear facing MG15 has been replaced by a Browning M2, or maybe an AN/M2 (something I'm okay with, because an actual firing MG15 would make very little sense.) Also, in the first image, you can see the ally on the right has an AR-type that's very similar to the one the player & enemies are holding, but it's a longer-barreled variant and has a custom paint job (and no sights at all, ugh.) This, combined with the fact that there are even more AR-types shown in promo images or trailers makes me think that weapon customization will actually be somewhat extensive in this game, rather than the "two attachments per gun" thing Far Cry 3 & 4 had going. It COULD just be a signature rifle or something, but I'm willing to bet it might be more. --[[User:Sergeant Simpleton|Sergeant Simpleton]] ([[User talk:Sergeant Simpleton|talk]]) 11:44, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

Talk:Ghost Recon Wildlands

2017-01-31T21:25:27Z

Forrest1985: /* POF P416 */

Talk:Ghost Recon Wildlands

2017-01-27T18:50:05Z