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Talk:The Beast of War

2011-03-20T12:08:17Z

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==I'm doing more screencaps of this film==
MoviePropmaster2008

:Very nice work MPM, the page came out great. The screencaps on here before were pretty low res but I love when you cover Israeli made film because you know so much about the guns (and vehicles). Great job! - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== "The use of a Browning M2 is curious, since Israeli Armorers have easy access to real DShK guns they have captured from the Arab armies over the years." ==

Obvious counterpoint to this: they may have the guns, but I imagine unless they captured an Arab army film studio they probably don't have huge amounts of movie-safe 12.7x109mm ammo for the DshKs; similarly, there's the issue of familiarity with the M2, spare parts availability, etc. If it was going to be used a lot, I can't see them being able to justify the cost of using a real DshK over a mockup to the producers, especially when they were already faking the helo and had the wrong gun on the T-55. [[User:Tim|Tim]] 04:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
::Not really. Stallone was using a REAL DSHk with real blanks in Rambo III when they were filming in Israel. The attack on the Muj Camp and Stallone firing at the helicopters from the hilltop was ALL the real deal. Making blanks is no big deal for any country with an established motion picture industry. it's just a matter of convenience, which is why we see so many Combloc weapons in movies filmed in Eastern European countries, even when (in the movie) they're supposed to be in the "U.S.". The Israelis have access to tons of Arab arms already, ever since the first serious Arab Israeli war of 1948, and the one in 1956 and the one in 1967 and 1973. ;) There was NO really good reason, unless they didn't have DSHks blank adapted (which would be weird) or they had a lot of leftover .50 cal blanks (which the U.S. gave them as military aid). The Military training blanks work pretty well and I noticed that these guns in the film didn't have the super giant fireball that MOVIE blanks usually do (See StarShip troopers for super fireball 50 cal blanks). MPM

== RGD-1 ==

There is no such thing as Soviet `RGD-1` hand grenade. Actually it is an `F-1` hand grenade, in service from World War 2 era. It was still in Soviet Army service during Afghan war, as well in Russian Army service during wars in Chechnya.
::Sorry, back in the 1980s when a lot of our information was sketchy about Russo weapons (and there was no internet) we always called them RGD-1s. As information becomes more accurate, and people today forget we didn't have internet communications with people in Russia (plus there was previous few books on Soviet weaponry). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== T-55 or T-62 ==

You guys would know better than I do, I only raise the question because I came across a link saying it's a T-62. But it's from Wikipedia, so I guess consider the source. I only raise the question so it can be answered here. This is the link:

"The Beast is a movie released in 1988 about the crew of a Soviet T-62 tank and their attempts to escape a hostile region, set during the invasion of Afghanistan in 1981."

It's in the Media and Popular Culture section of this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan_in_popular_culture [[User:Harleyguy|Harleyguy]] 7 May 2010 01:48

::And all that proves is that they are idiots who can't tell the difference between a T-62 and a T-55 (the T-55 being the base for the Israeli upgraded tanks seen in the film). All one has to do is to GOOGLE the T-62 and the T-55 (or the Israeli Ti-67 Tank) and take a hard look at the photos. These are NOT T-62 tanks. Body is wrong, Bogey wheels are wrong, gun is wrong, turret shape is wrong. That's like mixing up a U.S. M48 tank with an M60 tank. Thanks for the heads up, but seriously. Whoever wrote that probably wrote a typo. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Maybe the Tirdan is starring/playing (as) a T-62...? :-) Was the (then almost obsolete) T-55 involved in Afghanistan? (It should have been good enogh - thanks to the lack of enemy armor)

== The tanks have American antenaes. ==

Just thought some of you might like to know this. Aside from the gun, the Israelis also awapped the antennaes.

::Makes sense. Israelis used these as 2nd line armor and probably swapped out the electronics with stuff that would work with all the American Armor they had. Also I think they use off the shelf radio gear for their own indigenous tanks (Merkhavas, etc.)

If your wondering how I know this, my dad was a tanker in the National Guard. He said they were the same of type of antennaes that where on the M-1 that he was the gunner on.

== Russian T55 Tank ==

A nice example of a real authentic Soviet armored vehicle in a Western movie. Actually an Israeli Ti-67 Tank, standing in for a T55 (the same tank except for a larger main gun) we see countless beautiful shots of the tank in action and get a real understanding of the mechanisms and functions of the vehicle. An armored vehicle lover's dream.

: The main gun even recoils after a shot! Extremely rare to be seen in a Movie! - I don´t remember another Movie with this feature atm!
I think thats noteworthy

== Continuation error. ==

Concerning the helmet of the dead Russian at the water pond. It seems correct to me. I just watched the movie, and you can see one of the Russian tankers sitting with the helmet at the pond. Obviously to fill it up with water for the Tanks radiator. You can see him sit by the water bed with the helmet, before he runs back to the Tank, without the helmet. The scenes where the dead soldier have his helmet on his head, is prior to this. All shots after the tanker has run back to the tank, the helmet is on the water bed where he left it.

User talk:PistolJunkie

2011-03-18T14:58:41Z

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==Set your screenshots to "Auto"==
Your screenshots for [[Highlander]] looked squished (everybody looks thinner), which means your video player's "aspect ratio" is set wrong. Make sure it's set to "Auto" or "16:9" if widescreen. Also, I guess you used your talk page as a template for the Highlander page, but you should reserve the space for discussion. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 09:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
==Outlander==
It was your sugesstion about holstered pistol being [[Heckler & Koch VP70]]? Interesting idea, but trigger and many other details not quite the same... Maybe it's just a fictional pistol which combines elements of both this gun and [[Jericho 941]]? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 00:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
==American Gangster==
I wouldn't consider one screencap that big of a deal. I consider a page to be incomplete when more than half of the weapons used don't have screencaps. But I'll try to get a screeencap added. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

==RahXephon==
Please note that the rules state that fullscreen (4:3 Aspect Ratio) screencaps are set at 500px not 600 px. Thanks! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==In A Moonlit Night==
Done. Also noticed sad mistake second 'di' was misspeled as 'de'. Thanks. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 13:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

==Deacons For Defense==
Thank you for your help. This is my first page build, and I obviously needed some help. I appreciate it.--[[User:Westernman1987|Westernman1987]] 17:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== nuking Joshua and Jackal page ==

I am really considering getting rid of those 2 pages [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Anime TV shows ==

Too much stuff already. Don't think we really need it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah just drop it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== A few days to a week ==

Try at most a week. Sometimes people forget. It took me a full 2 days to get my latest SWAT Firefight page done [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== RE Degeneration ==

Sorry, I've been too busy to post the images you capped of the Glock 17s. When you get editing control back, please take time to do it yourself. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 09:34, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== The Missing (2003) ==
thanks for fixing it. I kept trying to work on it and none of my changes would take or at least half of the time they wouldn't take. I finally quit in disgust and walked away. I knew eventually somebody would come along and correct it. I really don't like this new server/software. I know it had to be done, but boy oh boy. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:33, 14 March 2011 (MSK)
:THat does seem to work. thanks.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 08:31, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

== Suomi ==

Ok. Got it. I just wondered why the Suomi was put under the PPSh-41 category, since as you know its two different weapons from two different countries.

The Winter War

2011-03-17T23:17:01Z

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'''The Winter War (Talvisota)''' is a Finnish movie from 1989. The film begins with the Soviet invasion on 30 November 1939 and ends on 13 March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. We follow a few soldiers from their monilization through the trench warfare and massive Sovjet artillery barrages until their surrender. It's the most costly Finnish film to date and its historically very accurate considering they interviewed Finnish veterans prior to the filming.

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[[File:Talvisota.jpg|frame|Original Finnish Cover.]]

'''The following guns were used in the movie The Winter War:'''

[[Suomi KP/-31]] (Suomi-konepistooli)
[[Lahti-Saloranta LS/26]] Light Machine Gun

--[[User:Einsatz|Einsatz]] 18:16, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

The Winter War

2011-03-17T23:16:37Z

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'''The Winter War (Talvisota)''' is a Finnish movie from 1989. The film begins with the Soviet invasion on 30 November 1939 and ends on 13 March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. We follow a few soldiers from their monilization through the trench warfare and massive Sovjet artillery barrages until their surrender. It's the most costly Finnish film to date and its historically very accurate considering they interviewed Finnish veterans prior to the filming.

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[[File:Talvisota.jpg|frame|Original Finnish Cover.]]

'''The following guns were used in the movie The Devil's Brigade:'''

[[Suomi KP/-31]] (Suomi-konepistooli)
[[Lahti-Saloranta LS/26]] Light Machine Gun

--[[User:Einsatz|Einsatz]] 18:16, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

The Winter War

2011-03-17T23:15:55Z

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'''The Winter War (Talvisota)''' is a Finnish movie from 1989. The film begins with the Soviet invasion on 30 November 1939 and ends on 13 March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. We follow a few soldiers from their monilization through the trench warfare and massive Sovjet artillery barrages until their surrender. It's the most costly Finnish film to date and its historically very accurate considering they interviewed Finnish veterans prior to the filming.

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[[File:Talvisota.jpg|frame|Original Finnish Cover.]]

'''The following guns were used in the movie The Devil's Brigade:'''

Suomi KP/-31' (Suomi-konepistooli)
[[Lahti-Saloranta LS/26]] Light Machine Gun

--[[User:Einsatz|Einsatz]] 18:15, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

Suomi KP/-31

2011-03-17T23:15:00Z

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[[Image:SuomiM31.jpg|right|thumb|none|400px|Suomi KP/-31 - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
Suomi KP/-31 (aka Suomi M/31), commonly known as Suomi sub-machine gun ('''''Suomi konepistooli''''') in Finland, was a sub-machine gun based on the early [[Bergmann MP18]] design. First designed in 1922, by Aimo J. Lahti, the gun was revealed to public in 1925. It is among one of the most succesful gun designs of World War II. The Soviets even later copied many of the designs for their '''PPSh-41''' and '''PPD-40''' sub-machine guns. The Suomi (which means Finland) KP/-31 was in service in the Finnish Armed Forces from 1931 to the 1960's, when it finally became obsolete as the '''Rk 62''' replaced it. Altough, some special versions stayed in service up to the eighties.

===Specifications===

*Cartridge: 9x19mm Parabellum
*Action: Straight blowback
*Rate of fire: 750–900 rounds/min
*Muzzle velocity: 750–900 rounds/min
*Effective range: up to 500m
*Feed system: 20, 36, 40, 50 box or 71-round drum

===Film===
* Finnish troops in [[The Winter War]]

* Finnish troops in [[Tali-Ihantala 1944]]

* Finnish troops in [[Etulinjan edessä]]

* Finnish troops in [[Ambush (Rukajärven tie)]]

* Finnish troops in [[Max Manus]]

===Television===
* East German soldier in [[War Game, The (1965)]]

===Video Games===
*[[Silent Storm]]

--[[User:Einsatz|Einsatz]] 18:15, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

Suomi KP/-31

2011-03-17T23:08:11Z

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Suomi KP/-31

2011-03-17T23:07:12Z

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The Winter War

2011-03-17T22:43:57Z

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'''The Winter War (Talvisota)''' is a Finnish movie from 1989. The film begins with the Soviet invasion on 30 November 1939 and ends on 13 March 1940 with the Moscow Peace Treaty. We follow a few soldiers from their monilization through the trench warfare and massive Sovjet artillery barrages until their surrender. It's the most costly Finnish film to date and its historically very accurate considering they interviewed Finnish veterans prior to the filming.

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[[File:Talvisota.jpg|frame|Original Finnish Cover.]]

'''The following guns were used in the movie The Devil's Brigade:'''

Suomi KP/-31' (Suomi-konepistooli)
Lahti-Saloranta LS 26 Light Machine Gun
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File:Talvisota.jpg

2011-03-17T22:30:26Z

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