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Talk:Battle: Los Angeles

2011-06-27T07:21:30Z

Doc345: /* Weapons + thoughts */

==aliens==
I wounder if the aliens are going to be easy to kill as us humans with a few bullets, or talk an entire magazine from am M4 to kill.

Probably like [[Independence Day]] where they will be some what easy to kill like us...but have supior body armor or way better technolgy.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Is this photo from their website? The site doesn't want to put unauthorized BTS photos (see the discussion on the [[Transformers 3]] page.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:BattleLosAngelesm1a2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1A2 Abrams on set in Louisiana.]]

== Laser Modules on M4s ==
By the shape, they appear to be AN/PEQ-16As. I do believe this would qualify as the film debut of the device. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:I thought it was the AN/PEQ-15? Still, I do believe this is the first film appearance of that system. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

::Upon second look, you're right. It is a 15, not a 16A. With that revelation, this would then be the ''second'' film appearance of it. The M4s used by the security team in Resident Evil: Afterlife had PEQ-15s on them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 09:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== FN M16? ==

I know FN actually makes the M16 as well, but how can you be certain the guns in the movie are FN? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Colt and FN share the US military's M16A4 contract (I don't think they're buying M16A2s anymore). But where does it say the M16s in this film are FNs? I don't see it mentioned anywhere. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

::I changed it to just plainly M16A2 until whoever stated previously can prove it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:03, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Interesting concept behind this movie... ==

I know that the whole alien invasion genre of film has been done to the death so many times over to the point where most audiences will just scoff at films like this just like they scoffed at Independence Day or, but I gotta admit, this film has an interesting concept to it's backstory.

I don't know if anyone has ever read about this, but on the night of Feburary 24-25, 1942, there was a "supposed" air raid against the city of Los Angeles where some unidentified aircraft appeared in the skies over Los Angeles, and since several other raids by Japanese aircraft and bombardments by Japanese submarines had been taking place all along the West Coast of the United States and even one attack on the coast of Vancouver, Canada had been happening throughout the beginning of 1942 (fresh after the attack on Pearl Harbor), this supposed "raid" on Los Angeles caused MASS hysteria and panic that an enemy invasion would be next after all these raids. So therefore the skies were lit up that night with anti-aircraft fire which damaged several buildings (since they fired around 1,400 shells), and caused 3 people to get killed by the anti-aircraft fire while 3 others died from the massive stress of the whole situation. However, it was revealed in the U.S. Government's "official" after-action report that there was NOTHING in the skies over Los Angeles except for a weather balloon and flares fired off from training aircraft, and that the reason why all the panic happened was because of "war nerves" causing people to mistake them for enemy aircraft and think that a raid was happeneing.

But some UFO theorists believe that the "unknown aircraft" in the skies over Los Angeles that night were alien craft, and that the government was covering it up.

So from what I have gathered, the plot behind this movie is the idea that when the Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942 happened, those REALLY were alien aircraft in the skies. And now, 69 years later in the movie's timeline (If it's supposed to take place in the year 2011), the aliens have returned to not only begin their invasion of Los Angeles, but to invade the rest of the world as well.

^Sounds like Harry Turtleodve's Worldwar series [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:31, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

Interesting backstory concept for this movie? I like to think so. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 13:24, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

It seems to be just a modernized Independence Day plot. Aliens come to invade Earth to get at our resources or something and wants to wipe us out and we fight back. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:11, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

:I guess this movie could be considered a more "modernized" version of Independence Day (And I'll be the critics will be comparing this film to Independence Day on it's official release), but at the same time, it takes a real life event that happened 69 years ago, and makes it into a more creative story where the event that took place really WAS the cause of aliens, and now they have returned to invade earth, with the city of Los Angeles being the steppingstone battleground to their campaign. Whereas with Independence Day, it only made passing mentions of past alien spacecraft sightings throughout history before the main invasion begins, but they never really dove into greater detail behind the reasons why in that film. And besides, this movie looks really interesting since (from what I have seen in the trailers) the aliens apparently will not always be in massive spaceships blasting the shit out of buildings, or using sneaky mind control tactics to assimilate humans, they will actually be on the ground, with weapons of their own, engaging in modern combat scenarios with a human army, and that is something (at least to my knowledge, but I could be wrong) that hasn't been (if ever) done in an alien invasion film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 08:54, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Weapons + thoughts ==
M9/Beretta 92 used in end battle by Aaron Eckart's character and someone else

M240 may have been on the LAV, too dark to see it clearly.

M2 on the Humvee

Unidentified mortar in the background early on, probably 81mm.

Round frag grenades (M67? M61?)

Smoke grenades (M18?)

I personaly thought that the movie was exhalent, good tactics on both sides.
Dont belive Roger Ebert's idioitic review. Seriously, go see the movie.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 17:16, 12 March 2011 (MSK)

:Well, the problem is that alot of people (being the gullible sheep that some people are) will listen to what the professional movie critics will say about movies like this, and just flat out dismiss it like they do (Even though there are some exceptions like when all the crazed fans of The Dark Knight sent death threats to the professional critics for giving that film anything less than 5 stars or A+ back in 2008... ridiculous huh?). And of course there is an even bigger majority of people who refuse to throw reality out the window these days and would rather nit-pick movies like this one to death for being "unrealistic" or whatever other bullshit arguments they bring up (Especially with movies like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull for it's "unrealistic" refrigerator nuke scene, God... the arguments on that scene were so fucking ridiculous, even more ridiculous than the "Han Solo shot first!" argument). But really, I saw Battle: LA for myself, and I agree, it is a great alien invasion movie, and it also has done something that has never been seen in a major-budget blockbuster alien invasion film from years gone by (at least to my knowledge), and besides, pretty much ALL the actors in this film actually went through boot camp training so that way they look picture-perfect playing the U.S. Marine characters that they portray in the film. So rather than people blindly agreeing with what the professional critics are saying, I say go see this film for yourself and judge it for yourself. Maybe moviegoers might like this movie, and maybe they might not, but it's still a damn good film nevertheless. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 04:15, 15 March 2011 (CDT)

Anyone see what the corpsman's sidearm was? He never draw the weapon and it's kind of dark to see when I saw the weapon in the holster. I think it might be a SIG, which would make sense since Navy does issue M11/P228s. Can't be sure though.--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 15:36, 13 March 2011 (MSK)

I just got back from seeing the film, and I REALLY want to say it's an MEU SOC. Hopefully somebody can clarify this for me. Also, was it me, or were the M16A4s seeming like they were going full auto? :P -Kangabox

I paid special attention to the gear details of this movie when I saw it a few hours ago, and I did notice a few moments when the M16s fired on fully automatic (when Hectair's father used one for example) but through most of the
film I noted the soldiers were useing their weapons on semi-automatic, just as they damn should be, but every other
movie has ignored this to my knowledge. So either this was simply a little hollywood hickup in the movie or its
assumed that M16A5s are being used (S-S-B-A M16s proposed by some firearms company that escapes my mind right now) by the USMC by the time the invasion happens. On a very possitive note I saw that the marines were all wearing MICH
helmets rather than PSGAT (marines have a different name for it) ones and the aformentioned laser designators as well as uniforms (patterns, gloves, body armour etc.) makes me think they had military reference on sight for the making of, because this movie was totally a PR thing for the USMC like transformers or stargate was for the airforce. Only three things that I actually didn't like were:
- the AT4 having a lock on tone (damn you call of duty!).
- the laser designator having a visable beam and them not simply useing the designators on their rifles.
- and finally; why didn't the aliens just drop a small nuclear weapon on every major military base from orbit and make us helpless as an opening strike? Because then there wouldn't be a movie, so I can ignore that one haha.
Anon has spoken, this movie is epic.

:I think the auto firing M16 could be the sound crew's fault too, just like how they added the lock on tone. I watched the movie again, Santos was actually aiming the AT4 at the drone's flight path, the the rocket travelled in a straight line rather than chasing after the drone like they did in the Stargate series. Also, PEQ lasers on the rifles cannot be use to paint target for missiles/LGBs, it can only illuminate the target for pilots and the pilots would need to target the weapons themselves. Most FACs and JTACs do use big ass laser designators like the ones in the movie (usually mounted on tripod).--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 03:15, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

:Speaking of sound crews, don't forget about that awkward sound the SAW made when we first saw it being fired. Sounded more like stock gunfire sounds coming from an M60. Also from a more technical standpoint, I saw esentially all the Marines wearing MARPATs with the standard BDU-style cut, but if we're assuming that this film takes place in the near future, shouldn't we see at least a few of the grunts wearing the newer FROG suits? Just a thought. -Kangabox

I don't think Lenihan is adjusting the knobs on his ACOG in the picture that is up. Looks like his fingers aren't near the knobs, he's probably wiping the lense.

:That actually make sense since he just got covered with laundry detergent. Once again, the sound crew messed up!--[[User:Wildcards|Wildcards]] 13:53, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Even though i'm just reiterating everyone's point, i feel obligated to say it (or rather type it). This was a damn good movie, i know my opinion doesn't really mean a damn thing as i'm not a famous movie critic, but goddamn can this guy make a movie. The action part just as good as movies like Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down, which he says were his inspiration for it. It somehow captured the drama well without coming off as a poorly acted hacky pg-13 POS where the good guy just acts manly and goes "GODDAMMIT! I CANT LEAVE YOU!" and all that other horseshit dialogue that bad movies use. It also had something very unique and appreciated, an Alien force that acted like an actual military. If if they might have been conscripts (implied through the dialogue mentioning the alien weapon fused to the alien's arm) they still fought like trained combatants, and didn't just march forward slowly firing from the hip. They took cover, there were scenes when alien medics dragged comrades to safety, there were officers issuing orders, and aliens giving covering fire before advancing. And the director had the good sense to use a lot of particle effects instead of just 3D. 3D may look good in theaters, but when its not it comes off as the most hokey youtube 5 min edit job, turning a good movie into shit. And also surprisingly good acting, sure it wasn't Nicholson from CucKoo's Nest, but for an action flick it had some great dialogue in it. The actors training was also top-notch, they had the dedication to go to real bootcamp and learn how to properly portray themselves as highly trained U.S. Marines, it looked like even the extras playing the Army soldiers had perfect form and weapons handling. And from what the director says Aaron Eckhart broke his arm but continued filming/training. All in all- Great Movie. And if the critics don't agree- Fuck Em', this was a good movie, and i hope this review will inspire more people to go and see it.--[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 2:20, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

== gloves ==

the gloves that SSgt Nantz use throughout the film, anyone know what they are or who makes them? im looking to purchase a pair

Blackhawk if you check their website I'm sure you will spot them , I read it on the website who supplied the movie, don't remember the model though.

==C4==
I'm pretty sure that they were using C4s in the movie. That one 2nd Lieutenant killed himself with it and they attempted killing the aliens at one point with them. Just saying. That and I believe that there was one scene where the lady was using a shotgun. It was the scene where the alien landed on the car and she shot it with the shotgun and then some alien blood splattered all over her face lol.

Yes, they were using C4 and the officer blew himself and a bunch od aliens up with it. Michele Rodreigez's character (Sgt. Santos) didn't have a shotgun, she was still using her M4A1.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 09:07, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

=="Adriana" Santos==

I just changed the poor womans name to Elena (which is the characters correct name) instead of Adriana. Where did Adriana come from?

== There's a game ==

I played it through. It's...Well, awful. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:27, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

Hey, at least it beats E.T. on the Atari XD -Kangabox

== M240 ==
This screenshot is lumped in under the M240D entry.
[[Image:BLA 050.jpg‎|thumb|600px||none|An LAV gunner mans the M240.]]
And being that it's an M240''G'' rather than a D, shouldn't it be under its own entry? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:58, 19 June 2011 (CDT)
:In fact, if you look at the screenshot in full resolution, you can see there's a heat shield on the barrel, which would make it an M240''B''. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:01, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Desert Eagle

2011-06-07T23:44:23Z

Doc345: /* Operators? */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:MP2customEagle.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Desert Eagle XIX gold/stainless controls with ivory grips - .50AE]]
[[Image:BDSIIDeagle-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Desert Eagle Mark XIX (.357 Magnum) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the custom barrel weight. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:KWCDesert.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This is the modified Desert Eagle airsoft pistol made by KWC used on the set of ''[[Mission: Impossible III]]''. Pictures supplied by Propstore.com.]]

:As you can see, I have replaced ManiacallyChallenged's Photoshopped Desert Eagle with what I believe to have been the exact same Desert Eagle that inspired the texture artists and 3D modelers who worked on ''Max Payne 2''. This one belongs to Rick Washburn's Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York and was originally used in ''[[The Sopranos]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re-organization==

Alright, I just did a major revamp on this page. There are still quite a few movies and TV shows where I wasn't able to tell what Eagle model appears, and I didn't even ''try'' with the video games yet. Anyone want to help out some more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

==Question==

I have a quick question. Does the DE fire .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum rounds originally made for revolvers or automatic rimmless .357 DE and .44 DE rounds? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:It fires actual rimmed ammo, one reason it tends to be unreliable. Currently nobody produces rimless, too bad as I always thought semiauto carbines in rimless magnums would be effective.
[[User:k9870|k9870]]

::You can buy special .44 Magnum ammo for the Desert Eagle. I went with my father to buy ammo once and we just grabbed a box of .44's for our Ruger and they ended up being for the Desert Eagle. They worked just as well as normal rounds though-S&Wshooter

Next to 'Call of Duty 4' in the listing of games this gun appears in, someone left this comment: 

:''Apparently, [[Call of Duty 4]] is the source of gaming popularity of the gun and the word "Deagle"'' 

No, that would be Counter-Strike. Call of Duty 4 was only released in 2007, and both the gun and the nickname "Deagle" have been popular in the mainstream gaming world for much longer than that. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if that's true because It is called a "Deagle" in Hitman 2 and that came out quite a few years ago(around 2000)

Would any of the ammunition that the desert Eagle piercing body armor?
:It would depend on what ammunition and what level of body armor is in question. Level 1 armor is only designed to stop rounds up to .380 ACP, level 2A up to .40S&W, level 2 up to .357 Magnum, and level 3A up to .44 Magnum. Any level Higher than that is intended to stop rifle rounds and would most likely stop all Desert Eagle rounds. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

[[User:Pump Shotty Justice|Pump Shotty Justice]]-That's interesting.

could the .50 AE round stop a car engine? Rex095
:There are alot of variables to consider there. What component of the engine was hit? from what distance did it hit? what part of the car did the round have to penetrate to reach the engine? Its hard to say definitively, that may be a better a question for the Mythbusters. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Not to mention the load/ bullet type being used. As a general rule I'd say no. The only 2 common pistol rounds I know of that have a chance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W and the .500 S&W. But even those would require FMJ or penetrator-core ammo. BUT even if the round penetrates the block (lets use that as an example), it would take longer than you have been lead to believe in movies. For a vehicle to be stopped by a bullet like in a movie you would have to use something like .50 BMG and/ or destroy many critical components in one shot. As an example I had a friend who owned a Geo Metro, the block was cracked and we removed 2 pistons to see if it would still run, it ran; not for long but we estimated it at about 5 miles.
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]]
==Action==
I feel dumb for asking this but is the Desert Eagle single action? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:Yes it is. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Uh No, its Double Action
:It's single action not sure why it was listed on the page as double/single. (I changed the page, also not sure why it listed as a gas operated trigger either I have no idea what that means) The hammer must be down in order to fire. The Mark VII and XIX have an adjustable trigger but that don't make it double action capable. If you think I'm talking out my ass, that's my Desert Eagle below. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 06:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:MagResDE.357MarkI.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum. First model of Desert Eagle put into production.]]

Hell, im not a expert in guns... but a a gas operated trigger means that the trigger uses gas (like a assault rifle) to actually fire the the bullet, so in a way, you shouldn't changed it [[Random internet user]]

:You are wrong. Assault rifles do not have a 'gas operated trigger'. They are gas-operated, but their trigger system is basically the same as recoil operated guns. Gas operation means that the weapon uses gas, from the exploded gunpowder, to move the mechanism, eject the spent casing, where a spring, or springs, take over and move the action forward, loading a new round. The gas is bled a way from the barrel, either through a tube going directly into the bolt carrier ('Direct Impingement') or into a chamber/tube where it pushes back on a piston ('Gas Piston'), which moves the action. All firearms uses the gunpowder gas to propel the bullet. So yes, you are definitely no expert on guns. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 23:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

:Simple handguns for low-powered calibers (.22LR, .25ACP, ,32ACP (7.65mm), .380ACP (9mm short), and 9mm Makarov, use simple blowback operation. The only thing keeping the breech (attached to the slide) is a spring. But there are limits with blowback operation. Calibers more powerful than the above can have violent extraction, violent enough to to damage the case, and so need the breech to be locked when firing and held until the pressure has dropped to ensure safe extraction. This kind of operation is called delayed blowback, although some pistols simply used heavier breechblocks and stronger springs (Astra 400 series). Most pistols firing cartridges of 9mm Parabellum or higher use some form of delayed blowback. The M1911 uses lugs on the barrel that match to recesses in the slide and the swinging link to delay the operation. The Browning HP-Power (GP-35) uses cammed surfaces. Gas operation is another way of delaying the operation during peak pressure. More used on assault rifles (and battle rifles, machine guns, etc) but has been used on some pistols. The gas from firing is bled off near the muzzle where it acts against a piston, or to the bolt directly, which then performs the primary unlocking of the breech. The delay in this process is enough to drop the chamber pressure to safer levels and then the process of extraction, ejection, and chambering the next cartridge can commence. The downside of gas operation in a pistol is that you MUST use full or semi-jacketed projectiles. Pure lead projectiles can clog up the port and it is reportedly very difficult to clean. ''Wraith''

whoever you are you need to further explain this concept of a gas operated trigger... Are we talking pneumatically operated or something? Are we talking to reset the trigger? to fire the bullet? to force the slide back? What are we talking about here? As far as I know the DE is gas operated only to push the slide back at which point springs take care of everything else.

-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]]

== to clear the confusion... ==

the desert eagle is single action. when a magazine is inserted in the pistol, one has to rack the slide back to chamber a round, thus cocking the hammer in the rearward position and putting the pistol in a ready to fire mode. if it was double action, then every time you squeeze the trigger, regardless if loaded or not, the hammer would be in motion going back and then forward striking the firing pin when the trigger breaks.

and it is gas operated. there is a piston that is located under the barrel wich is pushed rearward by propellant gases through holes in the barrel along with the slide wich then ejects and reloads another round, and also cocks the hammer and ready's itself for another shot. thats why FMJ ammo is not reccomended due to the gas piston MAY get itself soldered to the slide or the frame of the pistol in wich it resides, not that it will, but its possible to happen.

depending on wich configuration your getting in this firearm, there is no "special" ammo for it except the .50AE. the .50 action express was basically designed for this pistol. It was developed in 1988 by Evan Whildin of Action Arms. all others will shoot any .357 mag or .44 mag. i baby mine so i use jhp's. dont get them confused with the .357 sig or the .44 special.

The only commercial handgun cartridges designed that exceed its ballistic performance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum and the .500 S&W Magnum.

as far as stopping a moving vehicle, that depends on where its making contact. i know if i was shooting mine at a vehicle, id just shoot the driver or the gas tank, but most handguns probably wont stop a vehicle in reality anways, and one who tries will most likely end up being roadkill.

ill think of more when i get some more time. hope this helps with some of the confusion.

Do any terrorists in real life use this handgun??

- It's certainly a possibility. Though I imagine it'd be pretty uncommon. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe some well off terrorists. You can probably get half a dozen Makarovs for the price of one DE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
---As a general rule, no. It has never been manufactured in significant numbers (ie. hundreds of thousands) or exported en masse to third world countries. It's prohibitively expensive and ammunition is difficult to acquire (particularly in the case of the .50AE version). Moreover, you'd have to be completely ignorant to wield this oversized toy against other human beings if you had any other options at all.

== Magnums: Desert Eagle vs. Revolver ==

I have a character in a Sci-fi story where he often encounters large, ferocious, and very tough cat-like creatures and he carry's a magnum handgun as a secondary sidearm for the them. What would be best, A .44 Magnum Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum Revolver? He can handle ether of them well, so that's not a factor.

:Protip: In 9 out of 10 cases of amateur/fan fiction, Desert Eagle = Gary Stu --[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 00:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
::Changing the gun doesn't change the character. Getting rid of a symptom doesn't cure the disease. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::A revolver is more reliable and practical compared to the Desert Eagle in most instances.
:::- Revolver. Ditto above - The Desert Eagle, for all it's cool-kickass looks, isn't exactly known for it's solid reliability from what I gather. Only main advantage it does have over the revolver is two extra ready rounds, and frankly, if whatever he's shooting at isn't taken care of with six .44s, the extra two more-than-likely won't help all that much. Plus, well, if it's a sci-fi story and he's carrying a (presently) contemporary firearm in the first place, why not go all out and use the wheelgun? I think it would 'show a certain sense of style', myself. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: It also so up to you as the writer, as a which ones do you like?, and what ones dose the character like. the Character could be if he is old fashion and like using a Revolver,or nearly been killed by one when his gun jammed he might carry a Revolver. a Revolver would also make it ease to load and shoot exploding rounds and other "special bullets" (if he use any). you could have the flip side that carry's a Desert Eagle because he was nearly killed because his Revolver took too long to reload. if he uses a Revolver is he could also have a small .357 Snubnosed revolver in a ankle holster as a last ditch weapon. I would also assume that the Character use Rifle(Battle Rifle, Assault rifle,or hunting) or shot gun as well because attacking Large hard to kill Creature with just a Revolver doesn't seem like the best idea in the world. Rex095
::::::::Thanks all, I'm staying as realistic as I can with this, and I know A LOT about guns. ;) I'll go with the 44 Revolver because I'd rather have reliability than 1 (with .50 AE) to 2 extra rounds and slightly faster reloading. This sci-fi story takes place in the far future but I'm avoiding the cliche' of just made up weapons. I can't see most modern weapon designs today being improved upon too much. Ironically, I think revolvers will be around much longer then the Desert Eagle. ;) Oh and his primary sidearm is a 12 round .45 which is an improved version of the H&K HK45, his rifle of choice is an G36-based, 7.62 NATO, 32 round, bull-pup assault rifle and he carries a sawn-off O&U shotgun as a back-up.

::::::::: wouldn't his rifle be G3-Based? an explanation on why were still using bullets is that if there on another world so is easier to make on a newly colonized worlds. Because Laser and Rail guns are more complicated to make and requires more maintenance.REX095
::::::::::No, I did mean G36-based. It uses the same internal system and it's external appearance is similar but more streamlined and bull-puped. It just uses the more powerful 7.62 NATO and it's constructed of stainless-steel and ultra-tough plastic.
::::::::::: You obviously don't know much about guns if you are even asking whether a professional of any sort would choose to use this wonky, unreliable firearm. It's practical uses do not extend beyond impressing people at parties. If this is the far future it's safe to assume that extremely powerful, extremely high capacity pistols have been designed, and new cartridges to go along with them. Caseless rounds with electronic primers and the like. But you do want him to use older weapons, and rotate ammunition types, so some sort of revolver would be the way to go. It's not a stretch to imagine in the future they've developed a 7 round cylinder for .44 magnum.
::::::::::::For your information, I do know a lot about weapons. I just didn't know all the issues with the Desert Eagle, so I researched it a lot and well, it does suck, bad. So yeah, I'm sticking with the wheel-gun. :) You know, in my stories a Desert Eagle never even graces the hands of any of my characters. As for me in real life, I prefer 9mm's and .45's, I especially love .45's, and so does this particular character (see above). But if I want something with more oomph, I'd go for a .357 or .44 Magnum revolver. ;)

This is just an opinion, but I think the real cliche' would be having barely explained laser or plasma or whatever guns. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, :) atleast when I designed my Blaster handgun (meant for another story) I did my best to explain how it works and it's designed like a conventional handgun, it looks kinda like a cross between a HK USP and a Glock, and it's neither fragile or hard to maintain. :) Do you want me to explain how my Blaster works? if not, I really want to wrap this comment section up. This is the Desert Eagle discussion page, not my Sci-fi Story discussion page. ;D

I kinda wanna know how the blaster works. But id go wheel gun all the way, in an apocalypse magazines are hard to find and sand gets eveywhere. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Operators? ==

Are any Law Enforcement, Armed Forces etc issued a Desert Eagle as a weapon?

No. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 14:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I once read on Wikipedia that some of Mexico's Military Police used the .50AE version in case they needed to disable vehicles, but being as that information was not there a short time later I assume it was just some guy posting nonsense.

:There is no reason for them to buy a weapon like that for just one very specialized purpose when there are literally hundreds of rifles that cost less, are more reliable, and have a better effect on vehicles and their occupants and have ammo that's easier to obtain and spare parts readily available and are far more versatile. No government agency uses the Desert Eagle.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 20:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Heard that a constable in Texas carries a Desert Eagle chambered in .50AE. Not issued but he still carries it.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 02:52, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I can most certainly confirm that. I live just outside of Houston, and ive spotted a Constable carrying a .357 Desert Eagle in a quite oversized holster made to fit his duty belt. Didn't really have time to ask him why he carried it but i was pumping gas when he pulled up next to me with it in his holster and i made the observation of saying it was a Desert Eagle, to which he replied it was a .357. I wouldn't think many cops carry them at all because it is a very impractical weapon to have, but when your in the position to choose your sidearm i guess you pick what you want.--[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 06:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

==Size==
When looking at some pages I noticed the size of the DE looks (at least to me) different. I mean like in [[La Femme Nikita]] and others the DE doesn't look huge, but in [[Desperado]] (and really any movie with the .50 AE Mark XIX)it does. What I'm asking is if there is any major size differences between the models and the calibers. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

:No not really, there was a slight difference in the Mark I and Mark VII barrels and slides, since the barrels weren't interchangeable. (The Mark VII .50AE can interchange with Mark XIX .357 and .44 barrels) The differences in size could be the actors size, camera zoom etc.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

That's what I thought, thanks man. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 20:16, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Doc345

2011-05-13T15:22:26Z

Doc345:

Name- William Rivers

Steam Profile Name- Doc345

Age- 17

Location- Spring,Texas (just outside of Houston)

Bio- I guess since this is a forum all about weapons i should write my bio accordingly. Ive always liked weapons, i guess its stemmed from my love for the Military. Im currently enlisted in the U.S. Army on DEP as a 21B. My ship date for Basic is June 6th. If theres one thing i loath its jackasses who spend 5 minutes on Wikipedia or playing a Call of Duty game and claim to know about firearms, yet give them one and they'll appropriately show horrid trigger discipline and flag everyone in the room with the muzzle. Although I've not quite perfected myself at weapons handling as i still flinch when firing, i consider myself to have an adequate grip on firearms and a decent draw speed. Because of my age i haven't spent very much time firing or even carrying firearms despite owning a few, I plan on being professionally trained to do so, either in or out of the Army. I have somewhat of a slimmer, slender build which is what inspired me to purchase compact firearms. Im in above average shape I'd say because i workup daily with calisthenics and pushups, followed by 2-3 miles on an exercise bike. I very much like gaming as i have been for around 10 years, you can add me on steam as a friend if you like. As ive not much more to type about, coupled with the fact very few people will read this, i shall stop typing my extended bio.

Weapons Owned- Because of a recent boost in my income from a life insurance policy, Ive purchased a Beretta PX4 Compact and a 3rd Gen Detective Special from 1973. If i knew how to hyperlink id post images of them here. I'm planning on getting my Concealed Carry License as soon as i finish Basic. As well as purchasing a III grade Kevlar vest tailor made to fully cover my entire torso and not just my chest. I have a black leather Galco shoulder holster fit to accommodate my Beretta, that rides up into my armpit because i don't like low hanging holsters. My Detective Special rests snuggly on my right hip in a brown Galco Holster. I also have 2 spare mags for my Mustang in the shoulder rig, and 2 speedloaders for the DS on my left hip. I also plan on purchasing a KA-BAR to carry on my left belt. I guess thats a lot of firepower to be packing but it gives me peace of mind.

User:Doc345

2011-04-10T06:12:43Z

Doc345:

Name- William Rivers

Steam Profile Name- Doc345

Age- 17

Location- Spring,Texas (just outside of Houston)

Bio- I guess since this is a forum all about weapons i should write my bio accordingly. Ive always liked weapons, i guess its stemmed from my love for the Military. Im currently enlisted in the U.S. Army on DEP as a 21B. My ship date for Basic is June 6th. If theres one thing i loath its jackasses who spend 5 minutes on Wikipedia or playing a Call of Duty game and claim to know about firearms, yet give them one and they'll appropriately show horrid trigger discipline and flag everyone in the room with the muzzle. Although I've not quite perfected myself at weapons handling as i still flinch when firing, i consider myself to have an adequate grip on firearms and a decent draw speed. Because of my age i haven't spent very much time firing or even carrying firearms despite owning a few, I plan on being professionally trained to do so, either in or out of the Army. I have somewhat of a slimmer, slender build which is what inspired me to purchase compact firearms. Im in above average shape I'd say because i workup daily with calisthenics and pushups, followed by 2-3 miles on an exercise bike. I very much like gaming as i have been for around 10 years, you can add me on steam as a friend if you like. As ive not much more to type about, coupled with the fact very few people will read this, i shall stop typing my extended bio.

Weapons Owned- Because of a recent boost in my income from a life insurance policy, Ive purchased a Colt Mustang Pocketlite and a 3rd Gen Detective Special from 1973. If i knew how to hyperlink id post images of them here. I'm planning on getting my Concealed Carry License as soon as i finish Basic. As well as purchasing a III grade Kevlar vest tailor made to fully cover my entire torso and not just my chest. I have a black leather Galco shoulder holster fit to accommodate my Colt Mustang, that rides up into my armpit because i don't like low hanging holsters. My Detective Special rests snuggly on my right hip in a brown Galco Holster. I also have 2 spare mags for my Mustang in the shoulder rig, and 2 speedloaders for the DS on my left hip. I also plan on purchasing a KA-BAR to carry on my left belt. I guess thats a lot of firepower to be packing but it gives me peace of mind.

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2011-04-10T06:10:41Z

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Name- William Rivers
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Location- Spring,Texas (just outside of Houston)

Bio- I guess since this is a forum all about weapons i should write my bio accordingly. Ive always liked weapons, i guess its stemmed from my love for the Military. Im currently enlisted in the U.S. Army on DEP as a 21B. My ship date for Basic is June 6th. If theres one thing i loath its jackasses who spend 5 minutes on Wikipedia or playing a Call of Duty game and claim to know about firearms, yet give them one and they'll appropriately show horrid trigger discipline and flag everyone in the room with the muzzle. Although I've not quite perfected myself at weapons handling as i still flinch when firing, i consider myself to have an adequate grip on firearms and a decent draw speed. Because of my age i haven't spent very much time firing or even carrying firearms despite owning a few, I plan on being professionally trained to do so, either in or out of the Army. I have somewhat of a slimmer, slender build which is what inspired me to purchase compact firearms. Im in above average shape I'd say because i workup daily with calisthenics and pushups, followed by 2-3 miles on an exercise bike. I very much like gaming as i have been for around 10 years, you can add me on steam as a friend if you like. As ive not much more to type about, coupled with the fact very few people will read this, i shall stop typing my extended bio.

Weapons Owned- Because of a recent boost in my income from a life insurance policy, Ive purchased a Colt Mustang Pocketlite and a 3rd Gen Detective Special from 1973. If i knew how to hyperlink id post images of them here. I'm planning on getting my Concealed Carry License as soon as i finish Basic. As well as purchasing a III grade Kevlar vest tailor made to fully cover my entire torso and not just my chest. I have a black leather Galco shoulder holster fit to accommodate my Colt Mustang, that rides up into my armpit because i don't like low hanging holsters. My Detective Special rests snuggly on my right hip in a brown Galco Holster. I also have 2 spare mags for my Mustang in the shoulder rig, and 2 speedloaders for the DS on my left hip. I also plan on purchasing a KA-BAR to carry on my left belt. I guess thats a lot of firepower to be packing but it gives me peace of mind.

Talk:M16 rifle series

2011-03-06T19:32:44Z

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in [[Uncommon Valor]] - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film [[Scarface]]. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177-E2 with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm assault rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.
::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much of that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, is incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?" Hopefully esteemed imfdb members such as MPM2008 will agree with and share my viewpoint concerning this subject, as well as not condemn me for my long comment. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:M16 rifle series

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in [[Uncommon Valor]] - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film [[Scarface]]. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177-E2 with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm assault rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.
::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much of that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, is incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?"[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:M16 rifle series

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in [[Uncommon Valor]] - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film [[Scarface]]. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177-E2 with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm assault rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.
::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much or that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, its incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?"[[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Black Hawk Down

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== Hoot's "M4" ==
I think the article should be amended to only mention the weapon seen on Hoot's person when he's confronted by Capt. Steele during chow time. The weapon he's holding in the screengrab of him being picked up by Wolcott and the Delta guys is the same M727 he uses in the rest of the film. --[[Special:Contributions/131.216.48.250|131.216.48.250]] 16:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I'm fairly certain the carbine Sanderson handed him had the knobs signifying a detachable carry handle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:52, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
::Pretty damn sure. The front corner of that carry handle in the screencaps is too thin to be from an M4's carry handle. Definitely the mark of an A2 upper's carry handle as seen on M727s--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

== This probably isn't very important, but... ==
I went through and corrected the abbreviated ranks. Most of them were in Marine Corps form as opposed to Army form (ex., SSgt vs SSG). Like I said, probably not worth mentioning, but it's a little detail that was bugging me. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:30, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Weapon used by delta force ==

M4 was issued in 1994 before the battle which took place in 1993 ...the weapon seen in the movie and used by Delta operators was CAR-15

: If you'll look at the upper reciever and carry handle/rear-sight assembly, you'll see they match the [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]]-style of the early-model M4 carbine as shown in the picture above the screenshots. The CAR-15 (also known as the [[M16 rifle series#Colt Commando Carbine|Colt Commando]]) used the recievers and carry handle/rear sight assembly of the [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]]. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the stock is wrong for the CAR15...its an M4
:How is the stock "wrong"? And no M4 has the flash suppressor of the Car-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Isn't it more likely that Randy Shughart was actually carrying a Springfield M21 rather than the M14?
:No, he was carrying a M14 during the actual battle and it is in his Medal of Honor citation. So its definitely a M14.
::Do you happen to have a link to his MoH citation? The book accounted that Shughart used an M21. --''[[User:Blemo|Blemo]] 02:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
:::To Blemo - I've got the book in my lap. Page 208, and I quote, "They used to kid Randy Shughart because he shunned the modern rifle and ammunition and carried a Vietnam era M-14, which shot a 7.62mm round without the penetrating qualities of the new green tip." Right there in black and white. --[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Your point about the issue date of the M4 flies in the face of the logic that "IT'S A MOVIE".-protoAuthor 01:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Your point about "It's a movie" is in the face of the logic that we shouldn't use our brains and common sense. It's like watching a 1920s movie and seeing someone riding into a scene with a 1970 Mustang. Would you use the "It's a movie" logic there? What about a WWII movie and you see an F-18 shooting sidewinders at a Japanese Zero? The point of this site is so that we do point of the little details. It's like in IMDB where it points out which movie a certain actor has been in and what his role is. The same here on this side except you replace "Actor" with "pick a gun". Accuracy is the whole point. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:My point was, movies don't get things 100% correct.-protoAuthor 03:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

:Sometimes. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mistake? ==
There's a scene in the movie (1:37:53) where Yurek, Nelson and Twombly are about to rejoin the other Rangers at the Black Hawk crash site. While Yurek is on the radio to Eversmann (Josh Hartnett's character) he grabs a mag out of a Type 47 that a dead Somali soldier is still holding. Since the Rangers are all carrying 5.56 NATO M4A2s and FN Minimis, what would be the point of grabbing a 7.62mm mag? Seems like an odd oversight considering the camera kinda focuses on him taking the mag, and they've worked quite hard to maintain accuracy and detail in the film. Any ideas? Am I missing something? [[User:DamageW|DamageW]] 06:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
:What the hell is a Type 47?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::i dont know, but they did that so the weapon was useless for someone to pick up and use. He probaly just ditched it later. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:::He's talking about an AK-47, but Type 47 definately isn't the right term. I always assumed he took it as a memento or something, because anyone can reload a weapon even if the magazine is removed. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::Actually, he grabs the mag because he's carrying an M60, and he probably figured he may be able to use the ammo later. Also, many SF types are known to, in extreme need, use the local weapons, and he may also have been preparing for that eventuality. [[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 20:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Taking AK rounds for an M60? the M60 fires 7.62x51 rounds, while the AK fires 7.62x39, plus you'd need to have the rounds already on a belt to be fired by an M60. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think that what Yurek was trying to do was deny the enemy ammunition should they pick up the AK. The Bowden's book accounted that many Somalis that were killed would have others reuse the same weapon. They briefly showed that when Busch was making his last stand by the downed chopper. Also, he may have kept it as a souvenir. It's not everyday you'll find a loaded AK magazine that had the potential to kill you. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Actually, I was suggesting that he was picking up the mag out of fear that at some point, he would need to resort to using an Ak, or that he would have the ammo if someone else had already been forced to pick up a local weapon. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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Also, What the motherfuck is an M4A2?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:The motherfuck that is an M4A2 is basically an M4 produced by another company such as Bushmaster Firearms. It's just another "M4gery". Also, Google is everyone's friend and it wouldn't hurt to ask it. ;) --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::I'd like to think he kept it as a souvenir, although the actual reason was whenever a member of militia was killed they were extremely dedicated to retrieving the body and the firearm, so removing the magazine would have made it useless, although picking up the the weapon and smashing it to pieces would probably have worked better[[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 14:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Smashing the weapon would have been noisy and they were trying to be quiet at that point IIRC.
::::fair point but i was thinking more like removing the driver spring, and its probably just that it would have made one less magazine for the somalians to use
I think the reason is that the enemy has 30 rounds less against the rangers. It's like in 'Saving Privat Ryan': the rescue team left Steamboat Willy alive; so he could kill Captain Miller. A wise decision of Yurek, I think

I noticed another mistake. During the scene where Gordon and Shughart are holding off the Somalis at the crash sight there's a quick moment when Shughart is seen using an M16A2 rifle instead of his M14 rifle. And in the very next scene and all following he's back to using the M14. [[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

::::: I believe it was because he was firing his M14 until it ran out of ammo, and then using a helo crew member's M16 before retreating to reload both rifles.:::

:::- Yes, that's the case. Gordon is also seen dropping his CAR-15 when it's empty and using his 1911. Later, when Shughart is killed, he fires the M14 'til it's empty, then switching to his 1911, and when that is empty, using an MP5 from the chopper. Hell, they're being overwhelmed, and it is quicker to pick up and and shoot another weapon that is ready than reload the present one. They were pretty much using whatever they could trying their damndest to fend an army off, I would think that was obvious. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mike Durant's Book ==
In Mike Durant's book "The Night Stalkers" he quoted a few weapons he was using in the real life in the "Mog". I remember him talking about his MP5 not to metion he called it a "german piece of crap" for jamming. He also said Randy's Commando was on burst-fire 3 shots 1 kill. And the mini guns the rescue team could have been using can not run on the Black Hawk's batteries only on pure engine generating turbine power.
:To be fair, Mike Durant also seems to know very little about firearms. Also note that his memory may be jarred by the fact that, you know, he had just suffered a fucking HELICOPTER CRASH. --[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, helicopter pilots have to be trained with certain firearms in order to survive in the event of a crash. Durant at least knew how to clear the jam on the 9mm submachine gun. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::160th SOAR aircrews, being a part of ASOC are trained not only in their specific role in the aircraft, but also on how to continue with the mission at hand along with their "customers." Hence, they're well-familiarized with fighting with the weapons carried on board with them (in the case of what was aboard Super-64, MP5s for the pilots, M16s for the crewchiefs and M9s carried by all of them).
:::What baffles me is how his MP5 kept jamming (in the book atleast). I know they were in the desert, but that MP5 had been stashed inside a helicopter, so it wouldn't be all dusty and full of sand. Maybe it is a German piece of crap then [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]] 15:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Perhaps it was dusty inside of the chopper. Flying around in a helicopter with the rotor wash sending dust, smoke, and sand into and around the cabin won't help the MP5 from jamming, either. Pilots don't normally clean their emergency back-up weapons as they're supposed to. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 16:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Helicopter crews don't regularly use their weapons and so may not be as maintenance-minded as a Ranger or Delta. That could be one reason it kept jamming. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I did read Mike Durant's book and would like to point out he referred to Randy's weapon as a High-Tech rifle. as we all no, it was a vietnam era M14. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 21:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

:I just stared reading Durant's "In the Company of Heroes" before he called it a "German piece of crap", he said the MP5 had shot fine at the range but he probably had neglected to clean it. It was after Shughart gave him Gordon's CAR-15 which didn't jam and was far more effective despite only having half a mag left he thought of the MP5 as a piece of shit. He also had an M9 that he never drew, which he said probably saved his life since he wasn't seen as a threat. While Shughart's M14 isn't really a "High-Tech rifle" it was a lot better than a bolt-gun in the situation he was in. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 18:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== The Hand ==
Does anyone know why that Ranger took the dead Delta Force member's hand?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:Probably to send it home with the rest of the body-[[Special:Contributions/76.31.5.208|76.31.5.208]] 16:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC) (S&Wshooter)
::I figured that too. But it's kind of creepy going around carrying an dead man's severed hand in your pocket. What about the smell? However, if i died in combat, i would like if my body went home and i had an funeral.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
:::In the book, Othic took the hand that he had found and put it in his pocket to return it to the Delta operator that was blown in half. He had placed it with his body after he died, but strangely the movie did not show that, and made it seem like Othic kept the hand. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 02:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It wasn't the Delta Operator's hand. The shots of MSGTTim "Griz" Martin after being hit by the RPG show his hand still intact. More likely it belonged to one of the other soldiers aboard the truck that got hit. MSGT Martin was shipped off to Germany IIRC where he succumbed to his wounds shortly after.
:I bet it started to smell after a while-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 01:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==Flashlight Attachment Help==
[[Image:BHD Commando Flashlight.jpg|thumb|none|600px|What is this type of flashlight attachment called?]]
''What is the technical term for the flashlight to be attached to the '''barrel''' of the AR-15 series? It seems to be used only when there are handguards in place of the RIS railing. Sergeants Hoot, Busch, Sanderson, Gordon, and a couple other Deltas used the same attachment.'' --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 01:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:Before R.I.S. was introduced, I used to see a whole bunch of different flashlight attachments just like that one in the Blue Press. Some of them were even advertised as able to work on multiple types of weapons in the same caliber (i.e. AR-15s and Mini-14s). There were many different brands, so we can't be 100% sure what this movie's armorers used. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::Oh, thanks, but I didn't mean what brands the movie used. I meant, what the generic term for these types of attachments that connect the flashlight to the barrel are called. I'm thinking about purchasing one for an AR-15 platform without the RIS. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 03:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:::It's a barrel mount for a flashlight, that specific one was made by Surefire.

:::: Like the above said, It's a barrel mounted flashlight, made by Surefire. I actually managed to buy one of them that had been used in the Operation Gothic Serpent theater. These are still a good alternative to adding the weight of a rail to your firearm. I believe the flashlight is a model 600 or something similar.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 05:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

==M4 in 1994?==
Question about the M4 not being period correct. If the events took place in September 1993 and the M4 went into service sometime in 1994, isn't possible that members of an elite group like Delta Force could have gotten their hands on a couple?

:I'd say it's plausible that Delta could have been field-testing a few XM4s that day. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

::In today's case, some special units are using the HK416 in the field. It likely that this was also the case with the M4 in 1993. That, or the armorers to the film got lazy and decided to throw in a few M4's for the M4 fans. Unlikely, but movies will do this. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well it isn't completely out there that at the time US special forces can get their hands on some experimental weapons and field test them. But I think for this movie, they just ran out of Car-15s to give to the Delta actors.[[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)he

The m4 was used in service since 1997 it is not possible for an m4 to be used.the delta operators may have used a xm117e2.

:Just because it didn't go into service until 94 or 97 doesn't mean D-boys didn't have a hold of them. There could well have been a prototype (or many test models) sent out with D-boys to see if the rifle performed to what was expected.
More than likely just an error. The simplest explanation is usually correct (Occam's Razor) BA
More likely than not the M4 in the film is simply an anachronism due to a shortage of Colt Commandos. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

'''Don't forget about the 10th Mountain and the U.N Soldiers. Whoever created this page missed them completly and they had alot of firearms. Whats omore is i can't for some reason edit the page. the autheor needs to fix this right away'''

::I have explained elsewhere that the Colt Model 727 carbine, which LOOKS just like an early M4 (but has a semi/full-auto trigger group, rather than semi/burst as on the Model 777, AKA the earliest M4) was introduced in the late-1980s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The 727 has a fixed carry handle, though. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

::::So did the Model 777, which is the first gun that was ever adopted by the U.S. military as the "M4". The 727 and 777 are the same gun aside from their trigger groups. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

:::::I'm fairly certain this convo is referring to the later M4 with detachable carry handle. That's why I mentioned the 727 having an A2 upper. ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

All gear that is used in the US Army has to be tested. Part of this testing cycle is to give it to SF, Rangers, Delta, etc. to field it before it is approved for widespread use. Considering the length of trials and the endless bureaucracy in the DoD, it is completely plausible that these guys had the first generation of the M4 in TFR/OGS. I saw a SCAR in the wild on my latest deployment to Afghanistan last year. These guys are like the pro athletes of the military world. All sorts of manufacturers will just give them gear to use in order to try to get them to reccomend it... Optics, armor, boots, gun accessories, etc...

== Shughart and the M14/M16 switch ==
Does anyone know if Shughart briefly using an M16A2 while defending Durant's crash site is intentional or a mistake? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

:intentional, in the book moments beforehand hed asked durant where the spare weapons were kept aboard the black hawk, and for some reason this scene was omitted from the film. Shughart had ran dry with his 7.62 M14 and so couldnt have used the 5.56 from the M16 mags. :)

::Yeah, Shughart asked if there were any spare rifles or radios ''after'' Gordon got shot. This caused Durant to realize that Gordon may have been hit and that they were stranded on their own. However, the book didn't mention Shughart ''actually'' using the M16. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 15:21, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, good point, but i dont get why brad hallings didnt join them? he could have done so much more on the ground than on the black hawk, especially since he had his leg blown off up there aswell. oh and btw, im a newcomer, how do i tag comments with my name at the end?
:By putting four ~ at the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thanks :) [[User:Owen642|Owen642]] 00:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe the reason why Halling didn’t insert with the Shughart and Gordon was because by the time the team was given the go-ahead to insert, Halling had taken control of the minigun due to a member of the helicopter crew being injured.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 23:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

i dont know if he was actually using it, but in the movie version i think were supposed to think he took from a crew chief (since they carried an m16a2

the guy must have to taken the m16 from one of the blackhawk passengers and the blackhawks do carry spare weapons on board. (actual assassin)

Im sure most people so dedicated to this site probably noticed this but ill say it anyway. (**SPOILER**) ok right as MSsgt. Gordon is shot in the head and Shughart checks him it flashes over to Durant, and sure enough if you look you'll notice Gordon's CAR-15 on his lap. moments later Shughart runs over to Durant hands him the CAR-15 and says "Gordy's gone man, i'll be outside...Goodluck." just pointing it out. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Change made to 1911 article/picture ==

Not sure where IMDB gets its info from, but Kim Coates plays Master Sergeant Tim 'Griz' Martin, the unfortunate Delta operator who was blown in half by the RPG when the convoy is attempting to extract. He is not the Delta operator seen using the 1911 at the firing range and the picture and article have been edited for correction.

--[[User:NMOne|NMOne]] 19:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

All the Delta Force members' names were changed for the film except for Busch, Shughart and Gordon. "Wex" is the name credited to Kim Coates in the end credits. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Anybody else notice that when Wex is firing his 1911, he's walking down the range towards the targets while people behind him are still firing? seems kind of unsafe.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 19:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

-- In a deleted scene, it is shown that Eversman calls cease fire on the range in response to him moving into the line of fire, and just responding to such percieved recklessness by simply muttering "Fuckin' Delta..."--[[Special:Contributions/24.253.69.199|24.253.69.199]] 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

on topic of 1911s does anyone know what kind of 1911s they really used? for example i find it hard to believe they would be using normal 1911s when the MK.IVs were out

-- They were regular M1911A1s as it is cheaper for the armorers to use GI style pistols instead of procuring brand new weapons or paying a pistolsmith for costly modifications on movie props that could later be used in other films. In reality, Delta operators would take their issued 1911s (which were often relics found in the supply system) and have them done by some of the best pistolsmiths they could find to do the work (or do the work in-house when at all possible). Some of that talent rubbed off on the operators themselves; Larry Vickers, a former Delta Operator himself, is one of the best 1911 pistolsmiths in the business and is one of the go-to guys for Delta's custom 1911s.

== Dillon/GE Miniguns ==

The Miniguns during the actual event would have been GE M134s. The Miniguns in the movie were Dillon Aero Miniguns, but not quite M134Ds. They had some of the DA upgrades on them though. That's from the commentary and some interviews online with Dillon Aero. I remember it being mentioned in one of the special features that the Dillon guns in the movie could have been fired off the Black Hawk's batteries, but the older GE ones in the real incident would have been unuseable at the crash site.

== 870 Remington Shotgun. ==

Not sure if this is worth noting, but in real life, the operator on who SGT. Sanderson was based, Paul Howe, had his shotgun rigged under his CAR-15 in a "Masterkey" configuration. Also, it can be seen being used in the directors cut to breach a door.

== Rescue Heli Star 41 ==

The AH-6, that inbounds to Wolcott's crash site (Star 41), has miniguns and rocket pods. The helicopter that is finally landing at the chrashed Black Hawk hasn't any weapons onboard, so probably a MH-6.
:Continuity error most likely. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

== Flashlights ==
I watched the movie, and I was wondering, if Delta force had flashlights on their M733 and M727's, why didnt they use them? I could see that they would want to keep stealth in night, but if they're firing at the enemy, the muzzle flash would show their position anyway.

:Actors probably forgot or were never told [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Flashlights are not going to give you enough illumination to shoot at targets across buildings. They're better for room clearing. Besides you wouldn't use them if you have NOD's. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)v
:Not to mention a flashlight beam in that environment would scream, "here I am, shoot me!" [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

does anyone no how they would have mounted the tac-lights back then? like now-a-days we have RIS/Picatanny rails. then they would mod it to the barrel. how would they do that if they have a shotgun under the barrel? Larry Vickers mentioned that he hose clamped his to the bottom of the barrel. but he didnt have a masterkey. any suggestions? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 15:51, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Hose clamped it to the side or top of the barrel? -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:10, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry had his hose-clamped to the bottom. he used his in Panama (acid Gambit) i was surprised at how resoursefull they were. he also took some cardboard and put them inbetween Mags for a quick reload. and the aimpoint on his gun looked ancient. [[Special:Contributions/71.194.219.9|71.194.219.9]] 22:42, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==
Anyone notice that the picture of Sanderson firing his M727 during the Mogadishu Mile? It looks like the chamber is clear and the bolt is open. That means the weapon is empty, but in the movie you still hear two more shots before he switches to his sidearm. Is it just the angle, or is it just an error in continuity?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a continuity error, a continuity error would be when one seen a guy has a 1911 and the next he suddenly has a Beretta M9. I can't say for I don't remember this. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 16:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Actor in the Specials ==

Do we see this actor in Delta costume in the movie often? Because all the behind the scenes shot is this guy and I don't recognize him. Is he an extra that is like way in the back of the other guys? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

What guy?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

This guy
[[Image:BHD2Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor aims Durant's MP5 in movie armory. Note the other weapons behind him.]]
[[Image:BHD1Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An actor in Delta clothes shows M16A2 in the movie armory.]]
[[Image:DHD3Arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta actor shows vehicle-mounted M60s.]]

That's Jeremy Piven, nowadays best known for playing Ari Gold on HBO's Entourage. Wikipedia says he played CFO Clifton Wolcott.

:I do not think it Piven. In the film he plays a pilot role and his hair is black.
http://files.haiguinet.com/flashupload/UploadedFiles/1252005569_159Jeremy_Piven.jpg
http://emsworth.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/jeremy-piven-in-black-hawk-down-2.jpg
When I put the photos on the page, before to name him "delta actor", I looked for the name of this guy in the entire cast. Unsuccessfully. I think it is a stunt.--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Seriously ==
[[Image:BHD 015.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Delta Force SFC Sanderson ([[William Fichtner]]) fires his M1911A1 during the "Mogadishu Mile". It seems unlikely a well trained operator would wear his flight gloves like shown.]]
Seriously? A well trained operator wouldnt wear his gloves like that? This mall-ninja crap needs to stop. Theres no special way to wear flight gloves, you put the goddamn things on and wear 'em. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
:Actually, special forces operators of that era often wore flight gloves, just like that. Fun fact. Flight gloves are made for use by individuals who fly planes; they need a glove that will keep their hands a bit warmer than they normally will be, but will still allow them to feel the tactile sensation of the various knobs and switches and provide the nimbleness that the human hand gives us. The solution? Flight gloves. They are the precursors to the gloves we see in use by military units now; the Oakley tacticool gloves (fun fact: Oakley started out making motorcycle gloves) or the Blackhawk gloves and what have you. I'm really loving these mall-ninjas popping up thinking they know about shooting or special forces work. I can think of a few damn good reasons off the top of my hand to never, ever take gloves off in a combat situation, personally, and a well-fitted pair of gloves will be just like a second skin.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 01:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I believe the comment means it isn't likely he'd wear them while shooting - Full-finger gloves can be obstructive/restrictive when it comes to finger movement, which isn't exactly a good thing when you need to make accurate shots. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

::Flight gloves, as I just fucking explained, are not restrictive or obstructive in the slightest.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

:::- ''Uh, I had replied below I didn't know about these gloves specifically, which you seem to have failed to notice. Just as you also seem to have failed to notice that all these comments you posted this slightly irritable and unnecessary response in-between were all posted '''days ago'''. It might help if you thoroughly read the comments and check the dates next time.'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Honestly how would anyone here really know....are any of you "operators"?? -and if you say yes I'm going to say that your lying.....I'm going to delete that quip about his gloves in the caption, it's not hard to shoot with gloves on, especially flyers gloves. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you, it just bugs the living shit outta me when armchair commandos think they know operator/tactical/omfgdelta stuff. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]
::- Well, I'm indeed no 'operator', but I don't have to be one to know that it is hard to shoot with some gloves, especially if you're making distance shots. But I'm not familiar with flight gloves specifically, so I guess they're no trouble, I don't know. In any case, it just seemed to me the context of Winn's comment was that he was saying that it was stating merely that the gloves need to be worn some special way (and Winns right - they're gloves, what special way is there), but that's the problem with text sometimes. Anyway, not trying to make a valid claim, just an opinion. I can't speak for whoever made original remark, though. Either way, I never gave that comment much thought myself. I'm personally more peeved about quips on peoples (actors) stances myself. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Flight gloves are a very thin layer of Nomex with a Clarino palm and finger overlaid. These are very light, wick sweat, and give you tactile feeling and the ability to perform tasks as though you were bare handed. They are maybe a few mm thick on the palms, and do not affect in any way your shooting ability or accuracy, even whilst firing an M249, which is notorious for running away due to gloves getting stuck and holding the trigger back.

==Discussion about the bullets, or something==
- Something I always found a bit funny about that particular scene - Sanderson misses the two targets with his 727 carbine (firing several shots), yet hits them both with one .45 shot each (or actually, maybe one was hit twice, and the other once). Heh. But of course, I'd imagine some people can actually be better with a handgun than a rifle in some instances. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

I haven't seen the movie in a few months, but if I remember correctly he had actually hit the targets with his rifle, but the rounds went completely through and didn't kill the targets. So he used his .45 to actually kill them. There is a part in the book where it is mentioned that they had been issued "green tip" rounds (armor piercing/ anti personnel 5.56 ammo with a steel penetrator tip), and another part that talked about the rounds lack of effectiveness against the drugged up Somalis. One guy unloaded a belt from his SAW into a couple Somalis and they kept coming at them b/c the rounds just went right through and didn't do any major (fight stopping) damage. Another reason why they talk about how Randy Shughart was a smart SOB for using a 7.62 M14 and normal ammo. As for the gloves... Flight gloves have been used for years by ground personnel because they are thin enough to still be able to feel things with your hands, but they are still something to protect against scrapes, burns, dirt, etc.. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 22:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

No argument here Ranger. but i would also like to point out in the book Mark also mentions that they(the rangers) fired SAW and believe it or not M-60 ammunition, that would happen to be the same M-60 that carries the heavy hitting 7.62mm however that guy was probably high as a kite anyways so idont think it would have made much of a difference. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 23:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:- That's all fascinating, except in the movie, Sanderson (Fichtner) just ''missed them''. I was remarking on how the movie showed him ''missing'' two almost perfectly still targets with the 727 carbine and hitting them with the .45. That's all. Interesting tidbit about the ammo though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]]

Well, the point about RS and his M14 was what the book said. It was not so much the size of the bullet, but whether or not it was AP ammo (super hard bullet at very high velocity). An AP round from a 5.56 to the heart will create a very small hole, and if the person who is shot is high on drugs then they are probably not even going to notice it until they finally keel over (which will probably take a while). At the same time a FMJ from a .45 while it still probably wont blow the heart to kingdom come, will make a large enough hole that it will cause bleed out to happen faster (hopefully fast enough). Then again at close range any 5.56 and even 7.62 ammo isnt going to be as effective as a .45 round b/c of the rifle round's high velocities compared to the .45s low velocity. When faced with an unarmored threat below about 50 yards, a pistol round (be it .45, 9mm, .40, etc) is going to be much more effective (unless it is something like the 5.7 round, which has no immediate stopping power unless a CNS or head shot is attained). Long post short: will a 5.56 or 7.62 to the heart kill someone at close range? Most likely yes. Will it do it quick enough to stop an attacker from killing/ wounding you or your allies? Maybe. If he missed them, then it was probably just to add suspense or a "weapon switch to show he is an elite operator" shot to the scene.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

um this is extremely off topic like usual but id just like for someone to explain the purpose of using a 5.56 by a Counter-Terrorist Unit. tell me if im missing something but when their clearing rooms A.) the round wont immediatly kill a combatant when you wont him to die. and 2. say its an assault on multiple rooms at once and boom you miss your target (or it just passes through him) and boom goes through the wall like the round is meant to and bam! clips a friendly or even worse a hostage. explain the logic to me please. [[User:Dirtdiver 6421|Dirtdiver 6421]] 00:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, logistics. If they are expecting to be 100% in a building they will use SMGs, Shotguns, etc. But if they have an expectation that being in a building is only going to be 10-25% of the mission they will usually carry rifles. The main problem with the mission portrayed in BHD is that the brass expected to have to combat (lightly) armored vehicles, so they issued AP rounds. Now days the AP rounds are for some odd reason pretty much 90% of what the US Army issues. Army Special Forces (Green Berets), Delta, etc. use a type of semi-expanding bullet, as does the Marine Corps.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 01:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

There are other reasons as well. It's a fairly accurate rifle round, which, when in situations that will require shooting further than 50-100 meters, is necessary to have. It's a relatively light round, and most people can easily carry a few mags of 5.56 without feeling it too much. As far as stopping power goes, in barrels that don't over-stabilize the round, the 5.56 will fragment (not the AP round, obviously), slowing itself in the body and thus penetration becomes less of an issue. When you consider that most SF types use expanding bullets, this nearly negates the issue. There's a reason that most countries use the 5.56 round or something similar.
As far as the issuance of AP rounds in a war that clearly didn't need them, I've heard two sides of the argument. I've heard that, as Ranger01 said, they were issued because they thought they may run into light vehicles (although they brought along plenty of LAWs to deal with that). But what I heard from an individual who was there was that the men believed it was because Clinton believed that rounds that expanded would A) not make good headlines and B) violate some convention (I believe the Geneva convention).--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 00:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the Geneva convention forbids hollow point ammo in the military. The Police of the nation is a different subject. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You're thinking of the Hague Convention of 1899, not the Geneva Convention.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 03:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::Yeah, I couldn't remember if it was the GC or HC and didn't really care to look it up at the moment.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Hague banned all use of ammunition that easily expands or flattens in a human target. I have no exact idea of what round is being used or how it gets around the HC, I only know that when asked about the effectiveness of 5.56 ammunition, a few SF guys made mention that have been issued a new "expanding" round. I have also heard that Marines are now being issued an expanding type round. It may be that since we are not actually fighting an official "military force" that the HC and GC do not apply. Also you must remember that the use of .50 cal against personnel is banned too, how often do you think that is observed?-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 11:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not saying we follow either conventions to a T in every war, I'm just echoing what I heard from a man who was there. A lot of people who lived through the battle of mogadishu came away with the feeling that Bill Clinton cared more about how headlines would look than he did about the safety of our soldiers. As for HC and GC not applying, I agree that they really don't apply to A) organizations that are not militaries but instead ragtag terrorist groups and B) hail from nations that didn't exist at the time of the convention and never signed a similar document. It's the same argument that was applied for the waterboarding of captured terrorists; apparently, they apply some standards to those who didn't sign, but not others. Personally, I think that terrorist groups and undeveloped countries where they never signed the conventions shouldn't get the protection of them, and we really need to invest into expanding ammunitions for everyone; AP doesn't make sense for unarmored targets.--[[User:Asmkillr323|Asmkillr323]] 12:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

The question about observing the laws was rhetorical in nature. But I agree wholeheartedly about what you say pertaining to the HC and GC applying to people who did not sign it. Its like bringing pirates and terrorists into the US to give them civilian trials. People say they should get military trials... When according to the GC (that people are so happy to apply to the situation) pirates and terrorists are not able to receive either. We selectively apply laws to make us look good internationally, when in reality it costs money, and even worse lives of US citizens and military forces.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 12:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Under normal circumstances full metal jacket .556 is an ideal round. When fighting a traditional battle, against an enemy that follows the rules of war, it is far better to wound the enemy than kill him. Gunner313

We haven't fought a conventional war that lasted any period of time since Korea (and you could even say WWII, since Korea was less than conventional). Also with the way the enemy works now, any intel we can gather from enemy combatants will likely be useless (if it ever was useful) by the time it gets to the guys on the ground. Also as stated by me, and others before, under 50 yards and especially against an enemy that is drugged up a FMJ is likely not going to down an enemy either by wounding him or killing him. Of course shot placement comes into play heavily, but as cases have proven a COM shot is likely not to drop a determined attacker immediately. Head and extremity shots are also very hard to make, with FMJ pretty much the only way to immediately and most important reliably drop an attacker at close range is a pelvic shot. But now days in Afghanistan most fighting is taking place on the far end if not beyond the 5.56's effective range. Also Gunner313 it is 5.56, not .556, .556mm is a really damn small projectile haha. -[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 14:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

One could say that the First Gulf War was conventional. we were fighting an organized military(Iraq), i still think they were a bunch of crazy towel heads hellbent on destroying the western world.[[User:SargeOverkill]]

Why is it better to wound them? -SasquatchJim.

Because then you can detain them get information from them.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. I apologize; I thought he meant that wounding them was more humane, or something. Although, dead people can't keep shooting at you; wounded ones can. -SasquatchJim

It is better to wound them because it requires the enemy to care for their wounded, they have to be treated, they have to be transported, it is demoralizing to the others to hear someone in terrible pain, so for a short time a wounding shot, takes two people out of the fight. Also the more medical supplies that have to be shipped to the front for the wounded, means less of other items such as ammo, food, fuel, misc... Gunner313

Makes sense to me. Thanks. -SJ

Well in my opinion, I still think it's better to kill the enemy rather than just wound them, that way they don't get patched up and come back later to kill you.

agreed. especially in Somalia when if their not dead their gunna come back and shoot you in the back. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

:- Bah, can't believe my one off-hand comment spawned all this. Heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Nothing to add other than that this was really informative. This site is one of the best blind discoveries I've made on the internet. --[[User:John Ryder|John Ryder]] 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Never Forget==
Sorry to post as anon, but I dont have an account but frequent the site. Just wanted to point out that today is the 17th anniversary of the US intervention in Somalia.

:- Actually the anniversary is for the mission and subsequent battle portrayed in the film. The 'intervention' began as Operation Provide Relief, which started in December 1992. Still, good to point it out. EDIT - I actually just realized that not only is it the anniversary, but the actual day is correct (That is, Oct. 3 was a Sunday, same day as the Oct. 3 in the battle). Again, pretty cool I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The entire day yesterday i thought about it. i decided to watch the movie being Sunday Oct-3. i also found it fit to say a pray for the brave soldiers who lost their lives fighting to help the ungratefull bastards. [[Special:Contributions/24.15.103.231|24.15.103.231]] 22:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

==Interesting Uniform Note==

Just wanted to point out an interesting observation about the uniforms worn by the Rangers; this is one of the few films to accurately depict the transition from the 6-color "chocolate chip" camouflage made famous during Desert Storm to the 3-color "coffee stain" pattern that was used throughout the rest of the 1990's and during the invasion and early occupation of Iraq in the early 2000's. During the transition between these two camouflage patterns, it was common to see a combination of the two patterns on the same soldier; they would wear the new DCU's with the old 6-color on their PASGT helmets. Practically all the Rangers in the film have this combination.

[[Image:BHDMinimi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Tom Hardy]] wielding an FN Minimi as Spc. Twombly, giving us a good look at his 3-color DCU uniform and 6-color helmet cover]]

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

== Mo'alim (Razaaq Adoti) gun ==

What gun have Mo'alim in his shoulder? He don't remove it from the shoulder at any time, but there are two scenes where you can see:

1 When prevents the killing of Duran:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/

2 When the cannon is firing in the area of the first downed helicopter:
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/

are you referring to the AK-74u? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:37, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I think he is referring to the pistol in his shoulder holster under his left arm. Can't make it out though, will have to have a look on my Bluray version when I get a minute, but don't think it can be seen well enough to make it out. --[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 10:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

i wasn't aware he had a shoulder holster? can you upload a photo?[[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it is a revolver or a pistol:
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun1.png/
http://img401.imageshack.us/i/moalimhandgun2.png/
i couldnt see anything on the 2nd picture but the first was definetly a revolver. my guess, and im not expert with revolvers would be a .38 or 357 perhaps a S&W? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Doc Schmid ==
In the movie PFC Kurt "Doc" Schmid is shown as a Ranger medic but in reality he was Delta Force. It's curious why they chose to depict him as a Ranger and not a Delta operator in the movie.

Maybe they forgot [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

:This is somewhat unrelated, but I found it really funny that Schmid is played by the same actor who later played [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185836/ Adam]. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:11, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==tapeing==
i was just watching this , and i noticed that a majority of the rangers taped the ends of the butt stocks on their rifles . Why is that?-[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]
:I believe that tape was used (not quite sure how) to attach the sling to the butt of the rifle. Tape is also used at the front of the rifle, to attach a loop of para cord around the front sight to the sling. The reason this was done was so that the sling would be attached on the top/side of the weapon, rather than the bottom (where the only fitted sling loops are) to make it more usable in combat. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

i noticed nearly all the mag's have brown tape on them, any reasons for this, or is it just purely cosmetic? [[User:Scarecrow|scarecrow]] 11:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

STANAG Magazines are smooth and can be hard to grip on to to reload, especially in a high stress situation like combat. The tape helps you to grip the magazine for a speedy reload, MAGPUL makes sleeves that slide over them now. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 3:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Nelson's M60 ==

Is is correct to have Nelson carrying the Vietnam Era M60 over the M60E3 or E4? I'm not sure when the E3 or E4 came out.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 03:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:The M60 used in the film is an original spec M60, the same as were actually used by the Rangers in Somalia (As identified by the hand guard and bi-pod attaching at the end of the barrel). Not sure exactly when the E3 was made (started being issues in 1986), but I know there was one in the 1985 film [[Commando]]. Regardless, I don't think it was that widely used, as the lighter weight barrel and other parts made the gun more prone to overheating and malfunction. The rangers actually used a mix of M60s and FN MAGs as shown below:
:[[Image:101120ritchie20pursley8yp.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]
:Also, there has been talk on this page about what the actual weapons used by Delta where, and I cannot speak to this operation in particular, but in most of the photos I have seen of Delta force in Somalia, there are actually armed with M16A2s, normally with a telescopic sight mounted onto the carry handle (example below). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9607/21820burns20weaver6az.jpg
::Delta operators in Somalia used Colt Model 723 carbines with M4 style barrel, at least watching the few pictures of that time. --[[User:Pz.Abt.100|X-Ray Bravo 6]] 13:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Did the Rangers at the time use a black ballistic vest in addition to the woodland RBAs? While searching for M60 photos saw several photos of people in black vests carrying M16A2s with an optic on the handle, also sometimes carrying shotguns and LAWs. Are these likely Rangers rather than Delta then? Also, there are pictures of rangers using colt carbines with the step down M4 type barrels, so I think there was a much wider variety of weapons used than the film shows. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The Rangers only wore Woodland camo RBA (Ranger Body Armor) vests and desert-camo PASGT helmets during the operation (see the "Interesting Uniform Note" section above for info about the desert camo patterns used in the film). Black vests were Delta-issue only. Sort of like present-day spec. ops units using Dragon Skin vests while the main Army uses Interceptor/IOTV vests (though it's not as easy to tell the difference between the modern-day examples by looking at them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

In the book there was specific mention of a couple of the Rangers being stuck with the Delta "Turtle" Armor because they didn't have enough of the Ranger vests for a while.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 09:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Thanks, that explains photos like the following one then (also, note the Colt carbines with M4 type barrels the Rangers are carrying.)
:[[Image:RangersM4.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

:Also, can anyone shed some light as to what is going on with this SAW:
:[[Image:Saw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
:First off, isn't this an E2, rather than the E1 as the main article says was used by the Rangers? Also, why does it look like the receiver is made of different metal, and is the sight mount a standard fitting, or something cobbled together? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Another thing the book mentions is that Delta's Armorer played gunsmith for some of the Ranger guys (at least 1 customized SAW is mentioned).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 20:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

that part of the book is referring to Spc. Waddell's SAW and i believe is was a grip that was put on. i would also like to shed some light on the fact that in 1993 only the Armys Special Ops like Delta Force had that kind of ability on their weapons, and now every soldier on the battlefield has the ability to put on optics, lights, lasers, and stocks. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 23:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that is the part I was referring to, although I remember there being more than just a grip added, but its been a while. Also Rangers aren't basic infantry, they too are a part of USASOC. and in a combat zone leeway with weapons (also uniforms, gear, etc) is pretty much at the command's discretion. I believe that they would allow Rangers a bit of leeway with modifying their weapons in certain ways to enhance their effectiveness in a given environment. Spc. Waddell's SAW grip would have been noticed by his command at some point, and either him or the Delta armorer would have had to get permission to modify it, being that it is US Gov property (not to mention the other customized weapons we see in Ranger's hands in photos).-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 04:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Just noticing. Why do some people call it an "M4" type barrel? I mean it's a rifle in service before the M4 came out, so shouldn't it NOT be called an M4 barrel [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:48, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

You got me on that one... Probably because most people know the "M203 Step" Barrel as an M4 feature, so it gets genericised as an "M4 Profile Barrel".-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 05:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean didn't they have the step down barrel before the M4 came about? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Piranha 3D (2010)

2011-01-13T00:26:02Z

Doc345: /* Smith & Wesson Model */

[[Image:Piranah 3d poster shows its teeth.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''Piranha'' (2010)]]

''Piranha 3D'' is a 2010 3D horror remake of the 1978 original. It is set in a small town of Lake Victoria, which, as it explodes with spring break tourism, is preyed upon by a vicious pack of prehistoric piranhas unleashed from beneath the ocean floor by a small earthquake, forcing the town Sheriff Julie Forester ([[Elisabeth Shue]]) and expert diver Novak Radzinsky ([[Adam Scott]]) to fight off the Piranhas and to save Julie's son Jake ([[Steven R. McQueen]]) as well as his two younger siblings and the creators of a porn website.

'''The following firearms were used in the 2010 remake film ''Piranha, aka Piranha 3D'':'''
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=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500==
Novak Radzinsky ([[Adam Scott]]) uses a sawed off [[Mossberg 500]] to shoot at the piranhas while riding on a jet-ski and while helping people to get to the shore.
[[Image:Sawed-off mossberg.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with sawed-off barrel and stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Deputy Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Deputy throws a Mossberg 500 to Novak Radzinsky ([[Adam Scott]]), telling him that it's fully loaded.]]
[[Image:NovakMossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Novak grabs the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:NovakMossberg500 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Novak pumps the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:NovakMossberg500 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Novak fires the Mossberg at the Piranhas.]]

==Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun==
Deputy Fallon ([[Ving Rhames]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson 3000 Shotgun]] to shoot at the piranhas before running out of ammo. Other Deputies use the model as well.
[[Image:S&W3000shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Smith & Wesson 3000 shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:Deputy Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Deputy fires his Smith & Wesson 3000 at the Piranhas.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Remington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon ([[Ving Rhames]]) holds a Smith & Wesson 3000 as he helps survivors out of the water.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Remington870 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon fires his Smith & Wesson.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Remington870 3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon pumping his Smith & Wesson. The red shell can be seen as it ejects from his chamber.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Remington870 4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon fires his Smith & Wesson.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Remington870 5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon's Smith & Wesson runs out of ammo, prompting him to make his stand with a boat propeller.]]

=Sidearms=
==Smith & Wesson Model ==
Judging by the shape and color of the butt, Deputy Fallon ([[Ving Rhames]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 65]] holstered as a personal sidearm.
[[Image:Smith653.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Smith & Wesson Model 65 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Smith&WessonModel65.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Smith & Wesson Model 65 in Deputy Fallon's ([[Ving Rhames]]) holster as he helps the survivors out of the water.]]
[[Image:DeputyFallon Smith&WessonModel65 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deputy Fallon pulling out a boat propeller to use as a weapon when his Remington runs out of ammunition, ignoring the Model 65 in his holster. And the fact that the safety of dry land is mere feet away.]]

=Miscellaneous=
==X26 Taser==
An X26 [[Taser]] is used by Sheriff Julie Forester ([[Elisabeth Shue]]) to shock and make a piranha explode while trying to get swimmers into the police boat.
[[Image:X26-tazer.jpg|thumb|none|450px|X26 Taser.]]
[[Image:DeputyForestor Taser.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Julie Forester ([[Elisabeth Shue]]) holding an X26 Taser.]]
[[Image:DeputyForestor Taser 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sheriff Forester using the Taser against a Piranah, causing a violent implosion.]]

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Talk:Homefront (2011 VG)

2011-01-12T18:13:56Z

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==Please rewrite the summary==
Doesn't matter that you gave attribution to Wikipedia. IMFDB wants you to take the two minutes it takes to write the summary in your own words. Either that or it will be deleted. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

In gameplay I saw a ADS view of a gun with hk battlesights, maybe a 416 variant?

As far as AR-type weapons go there is a 416, M4, and M16. There is also an M4 shorty, the one held by the female (Gender selection?) resistance fighter, but we don't know whether it will be a seperate weapon or if you can change out barrels/stocks. Oh and the note about the M16 being single shot only bothers me a bit. It seems likely its supposed to be a DMR-type weapon in game, and except for a few, most games don't have fire selecting, so it doesn't really mean the 16 is single shot "only", the soliders are simply being smart and using a long(er) range weapon on semi. Also, H&K battlesights are awesome. :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: The shorty M4 and the 416 are one and the same, look at the unique rail cover colour pattern, short barrel in first person, edge of the stock visible in first person, and continuing top rail, and ambi fire selector, among other things. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick question though, why do the KPA troops use western weapons and equipment?

One of two reasons, the video was made using all MP footage, and we don't know how the weapons how the weapons work there, COD style, BF style, or something else, OR it has something to do with the developers saying in the story video about how the N Koreans trained on American weapons. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I thought one of the story trailer said that the North Koreans started to train their military based off of America and started using their weapons. It could be possible on an invasion standpoint to use captured American weapons and ammo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:04, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

==Really?==

In one of the caps there is a guy called Connor. Fine. But he's a resistance fighter! Terminator much?

So... What's the problem? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 18:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Terminator invented the name Connor?

It's only a random character name in-game. Just because this game involves American resistance fighters and one of them is called "Connor", it doesn't mean it connects somehow to the ''Terminator'' series. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have to disagree, i made the edit for the name, and after watching a Homefront vi-doc it was revealed that Connor is a former U.S. Soldier who has a deep seated hatred and grudge for the Koreans. Coincidence most likely that the Terminator series has a similar character. - Doc345

== unknown drone weapon ==

is it just me or does the unknown drone weapon resemble a M242 Bushmaster chaingun --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It's hard to tell. The weapon in-game is larger than the M242. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Homefront (2011 VG)

2011-01-09T17:18:07Z

Doc345: /* M4A1 */

Talk:Cop Out

2011-01-07T10:53:34Z

Doc345: /* Sucks */

== Glock ==

Seeing as they are NYPD Detectives, they should naturally be carrying Model 19.

Who posted the Model 32, and how did you establish this?

Hello, I'm typing here because I couldn't figure out how to add a new subheading. Q:There is also the submachine gun that is used in the cellphone store to kill the informant. What gun is that?

:I believe that was a micro uzi
== unkown assualt rifle ==
to me it looks like a MP5 but model unkown
--[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

It's an A3. [[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 03:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

== Smith & Wesson M&P semi auto ==

I think in Tracy Morgan's left shoulder rig in the unknown handgun section, is a Smith & Wesson M&P semi auto, which I have never seen before in a film
:If you are sure, then we need to chronicle it.

I made a page, but its not the best. Feel free to add to it.

These might help! ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:S&W M&P 45acp.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:S&W M&P 9mm.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|385px|Smith & Wesson M&P Semiautomatic Pistol - 9mm]]

Tears of the Sun

2011-01-07T07:52:42Z

Doc345: /* M4A1 carbine */

''Tears of the Sun'' is a 2003 action film starring [[Bruce Willis]] as a SEAL commander who leads a team into Nigeria during a coup to extract Lena Kendricks ([[Monica Bellucci]]), an American doctor. When she goes with the team to the extraction site along with the 80 some refugees from her village, the SEALs take only her. After seeing the atrocities committed on the village, Lt. Waters has a change of heart and turns the helicopters around. He and his SEAL team then become determined to get the doctor and the refugees to the border before the rebel militants can find them.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''Tears of the Sun'':'''
[[Image:Tears of the Sun DVD.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Tears of the Sun'' (2003)]]
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== M4A1 carbine==
Lieutenant Waters ([[Bruce Willis]]), Flea ([[Chad Smith]]), and Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] as their primary weapons. "Flea" has a Combat Military Optics LTD Marksman Series Model 100[http://www.cmoscopes.com/marksman_series.htm] scope on the carry handle, a cheek pad on the stock, a suppressor, and a custom paintjob of green and black (there is no such thing as a 6x48 Sightron S33). "Lake" has a suppressor on his carbine. Both Lake and Lt. Waters have M68 Aimpoint scopes fitted on their weapons. When the team first arrives in Africa, their M4A1's are fitted with PVS-14 night-vision scopes which are removed once morning arrives. Lt. Waters' also has a D-LAP Laser sight, essentially a more compact PEQ-2A. It is worth noting that they use the correct, modern flash hiders rather than the A1 style used on so many movie M4A1s and M16A2s.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip]]
[[Image:TOTS M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters meets Dr. Lena Hendricks. Note: The M68 Aimpoint is mounted backwards.]]
[[Image:Tears ok the Sun LT Waters.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lieutenant A.K. Waters ([[Bruce Willis]]) with his M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea and Lake search the village hooches with their suppressed M4s.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea hands out the contents of his MRE to refugees.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea takes a sniper position in a tree while the other team members raid the village.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake fires his M4. He is firing from this awkward position due to having been shot in the shoulder minutes earlier. ]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red, ([[Cole Hauser]]), fires Lt. Waters' M4 after he drops it.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The team with their weapons. Doc, Lake, Lt., and Zee with their M4s.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-Lake.jpg||thumb|none|600px|After being wounded, Lake uses his left hand to hold the M4A1.]]

== M4A1 carbine with M203 grenade launcher==
Team corpsman, Doc, and radioman, Zee, both carry [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zee lays down cover fire with his M4/M203.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc and Zee ready their pistols, while slinging their M4/M203 combos.]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
A few of the Marines disembarking the helicopter in the beginning of the film are carrying [[M16A2|M16A2 rifles]], as well as a few Marines at the end of the film.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:TOTS M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jarhead behind the others is carrying a M16A2.]]
[[Image:TOTS M16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Marine in the background is carrying a M16A2.]]

==M16A1 Rifle==
[[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1 rifles]] are used by Nigerian soldiers in the opening scene of the director's cut of the film.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A1 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]
[[Image:M16_2.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers standing guard with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]
[[Image:M16_3.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers standing guard over the President and his family with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]

== M25 Sniper Rifle ==
An [[M14_Rifle#M21.2FM25_Sniper_Rifle|M25 Sniper Rifle]] (The U.S. Navy's designation for the M21 Sniper Rifle, which is a U.S. Army designation) is carried by Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]). It is covered in heavy custom camo and mounts a Leupold & Stevens Mark 4 LR/T 10x40 M1 rifle scope. He uses the weapon throughout the movie. It is noted as being of the actual M14/M21/M25 series and not a Springfield M1A by the notch which would normally contain the fire-selector switch. M14s were known to be difficult to control firing fully-automatic so many actual M14s and their derivatives were modified by setting them to semiautomatic and then removing the selector switch to make them semiautomatic-only. However the notch for selector switch itself remains. Rifles manufactured for civilian sale (such as the M1A) do not feature selective fire, and as such do not have the notch made for a selector switch.
[[Image:M21_m1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M21 sniper rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO. The M25 is identical, M25 just being a U.S. Navy designation for the weapon.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk with the M25 rifle. Note the open notch for the selector switch (which has been removed), something done on many actual M14-family rifles.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]) readies to shoot the refugee carrying the transmitter with his M25.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red and Silk make their final stand, firing Lt. Water's M4 and the M25.]]

== L1A1 Rifle ==

At the end of the film, one of the Cameroon border guards can be briefly seen armed with an [[FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1]] rifle instead of an AK variant.

[[Image:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L1A1 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOS L1A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Cameroon border guard behind Captain Bill Rhodes ([[Tom Skerritt]]) brandishes an L1A1 rifle.]]

== AKM ==
The most commonly used assault rifle on the African continent, [[AKM]] rifles are seen in the hands of militants, refugees, and Doc, ([[Paul Francis]]) who took it from a dead militant. He is never seen using it, but after the village raid, he most likely gave it to a refugee, as they acquired a lot of them then.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AKM 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel fighter walks through the jungle with his AKM.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebels enter the mission with their AKMS.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc Kelly sits with his AK slung over his shoulder. He acquired the weapon after Lt. Waters killed it owner.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc crawls towards the village with his AK slung over his shoulder.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel executes a villager with his AK.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A refugee obtains a pair of boots and an AK-47 from a dead rebel.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Arthur Azzuka's bodyguards (a trained soldier) covers Arthur.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==
The under folding version of the AK-47 is seen being used by several soldiers as well as the full stocked variant.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS AKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel fires upon the fleeing SEALs with his Type 56-1.]]

==AKMSU==
A few soldiers are seen wielding the [[AKMSU]].
[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:TOTS AKSU.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel soldiers advancing. They are armed with a variety of AKs including AKMSUs.]]

== SKS rifle ==
Several rebels and refugees are seen carrying [[SKS rifle]].
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The point man of the rebel men walks through the jungle.]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Arthur Azzuka's bodyguard saves Lt. Waters.]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== FN FAL ==
Actual footage of the violence in Africa is seen in the beginning of the film and one scene shows several soldiers carrying [[FN FAL]] rifles.
[[Image:Fal_para-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.63 Paratrooper with 18" barrel - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS FN FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier far right has a FN FAL paratrooper.]]
[[Image:TOTS FN FAL-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier also has a FN FAL paratrooper.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==
What appears to be a WWII-vintage [[Karabiner 98k]] is seen in the hands of at least two militants. They are never given explicit detail, sadly.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:TOTS Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rebel bottom center is carrying a Kar98.]]
[[Image:TOTS Kar98-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel armed with what appears to be a 98k moves to investigate the body the transmitter-carrying refugee.]]

== M249 SAW Para ==
Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]), the squad's designated heavy gunner and tech-guy is seen with his paratrooper version of the [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] throughout the movie, until he is killed in a shootout with the rebels. Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]) then uses the weapon during the climax firefight.
[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M249 SAW 5.56x45mm paratrooper version with 200-round ammo drum and accessory rail on feed tray cover.]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Slo with his SAW.]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the blank rounds on the ammo belt.]]

== M60D ==
The [[M60D]] is seen mounted on a helicopter, but it is never fired.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60D machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== M60E4 Machine Gun ==
Red ([[Cole Hauser]]), the team’s designated heavy-gunner is seen armed with a [[M60 machine gun#M60E4 Machine Gun|M60E4 machine gun]] without the film. Doc ([[Paul Francis]]) wields the weapon when Red runs to set-up a Claymore. Another Navy SEAL who accompanies Captain Bill Rhodes ([[Tom Skerritt]]) also wields a M60E4.
[[Image:M60E4 large.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60E4 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red directs the refugees with his M60E4.]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc mans Red's M60E4.]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The other Navy SEAL with a M60E4.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine gun ==
It’s hard to determine, but a heavy machine gun; actual DShK or Browning M2 mocked-up is seen on a mounted platform of a flatbed truck.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK heavy machine gun 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:TOTS DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The machine gun can be seen on the truck.]]
[[Image:TOTS DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel is seen mildly clearly here.]]

== FN MAG ==
Seen in the actual footage at the beginning, a government soldier is seen with what looks to be a [[FN MAG]].

[[Image:Mag58postb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN MAG 58 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS FN MAG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|THe soldier stands behind a FN MAG in the actual footage.]]

== M72 LAW ==
The [[M72 LAW]] (Light Anti-Tank Weapon) is seen having been carried by Red ([[Cole Hauser]]) and Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]). The two weapons are fired by Lake and Flea.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]) helps refugees up a hill with his M72 strapped into his pack.]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea readies his M72.]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea and Lake fire their LAWs.]]

== Type 69 RPG ==
The Chinese-replica [[RPG-7#Type 69|Type 69 RPG]] is seen in the hands of several Militant rebels throughout, fitted with the PGO-7 scope.

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Type 69 RPG 40mm]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rebels enter the mission, the one on the far-right brandishing a Type 69 RPG]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An RPG team prepares to engage the SEALs with a Type 69]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I'd imagine that black eye hurts, huh?]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==
A militant rebel is seen with an [[RPD Light Machine Gun|RPD light machine gun]].
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD light machine gun 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS RPK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the rebels left of center can be seen armed with an RPD light machine gun]]

== Heckler & Koch MK23 ==
The pistol designed especially for USSOCOM, the [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] is used by several Navy SEALs, including Lt. Waters, Zee, Red, Flea, Lake, and Slo.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|H&K Mk 23 Mod 0 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters with his MK23.]]
[[Image:H&KMk23ModwKnightsSuppressor.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|H&K Mk 23 Mod 0 with (real) Knights Armament suppressor .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Tears of the Sun MK23 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. A.K. Waters wields a suppressed H&K Mark 23 while engaging militia fighters in the village]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red prepares to enter a hooch with his MK23.]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rack the slide on your MK23, Lake! This is a continuity shot as it only happens for a second.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Walther PP==
In a deleted scene, Lt. Waters leaves the priest running the hospital a [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PP|Walther PP]] for self-defense.
[[Image:Walther PP.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Walther PP]]
[[Image:WaltherPPK.tots.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Walther PP left by Lt. Waters for the priest.]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==
The real life favored handgun of the Navy SEALs, the [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen in the hands of Doc and Silk, ([[Paul Francis]] and [[Charles Ingram]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sig Sauer P226 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc crawls towards the village.]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc wields his SIG during the final shootout.]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk fires his SIG when his M1A runs dry.]]

== Colt M1911A1 ==
The [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] appears in the hands of two senor officers of the Nigerian Militants.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer far left has what looks like a Colt 1911.]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The second in command charges the fleeing SEALs with his 1911.]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He then tells his men to keep fighting.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is seen in the hands of a militant officer.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TOTS M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sgt? far right has a 9mm Beretta.]]

== Remington 870 ==
The team’s forward scout, Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) carries both a [[Remington 870]] and a [[M16 rifle series|M4A1]]. The shotgun is equipped with an extended magazine tube, a side saddle shell holder, and a strange compensator(I believe this is a "duckbill" attachment. It makes the shot spray into a horizontal pattern.) The squad’s designated marksman, Flea ([[Chad Smith]]), takes the shotgun after Lake is shot, but the weapon was dropped and Flea switched back to his M4A1.
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TOTS 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) leads the way with his Remington 870 at the ready.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake runs through the jungle with his Remington 870.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Kendricks hugs goodbye, Lake covers the area with his Remington shotgun.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake gives Zee that "what the fuck are we doing?" look.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Lt. Waters shouts orders, Lake takes cover with his Remington 870 slung over his back.]]

== M67 Hand Grenade ==
All of the SEALs carry and use [[M67 hand grenade]]s throughout the mission.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|200px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TOTS M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters pulls an M67 grenade from a pouch during a shootout with the rebels]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
The team’s demolition man, Red ([[Cole Hauser]]), carried three [[M18A1 Claymore]]s into the field with him. He uses two to ambush the militants and later uses it to hold back enemy troops.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:TOTS claymore.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red sets up his final Claymore as a volley of gunfire hits the log.]]

== M61 Vulcan ==

At the climax of the film, a pair of F/A-18A Hornets are launched to provide close air support for the SEALs, the Hornets being armed with [[M61 Vulcan]]s as secondary armament, though the Hornets engage the rebels with air to ground missiles instead of their guns.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M61 Vulcan 20mm]]
[[Image:TOTS VulcanHornet.JPG|thumb|none|600px|As an F/A-18A Hornet launches from the carrier USS ''John C. Stennis'', the firing port for the M61 Vulcan is visible near the nose of the aircraft]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]

Tears of the Sun

2011-01-07T07:52:15Z

Doc345: /* M4A1 carbine */

''Tears of the Sun'' is a 2003 action film starring [[Bruce Willis]] as a SEAL commander who leads a team into Nigeria during a coup to extract Lena Kendricks ([[Monica Bellucci]]), an American doctor. When she goes with the team to the extraction site along with the 80 some refugees from her village, the SEALs take only her. After seeing the atrocities committed on the village, Lt. Waters has a change of heart and turns the helicopters around. He and his SEAL team then become determined to get the doctor and the refugees to the border before the rebel militants can find them.

'''The following weapons can be seen in the film ''Tears of the Sun'':'''
[[Image:Tears of the Sun DVD.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Tears of the Sun'' (2003)]]
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== M4A1 carbine==
Lieutenant Waters ([[Bruce Willis]]), Flea ([[Chad Smith]]), and Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) use [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] as their primary weapons. "Flea" has a Combat Military Optics LTD Marksman Series Model 100[http://www.cmoscopes.com/marksman_series.htm] scope on the carry handle, a cheek pad on the stock, a suppressor, and a custom paintjob of green and black (there is no such thing as a 6x48 Sightron S33). "Lake" has a suppressor on his carbine. Both Lake and Lt. Waters have M68 Aimpoint scopes fitted on their weapons. When the team first arrives in Africa, their M4A1's are fitted with PVS-14 night-vision scopes which are removed once morning arrives. Lt. Waters' also has a D-LAP Laser sight, essentially a more compact PEQ-2A. It is worth noting that they use the correct, modern flash hiders rather than the A1 style used on so many movie M4A1s and M16A2s.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px| M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip]]
[[Image:TOTS M4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters meets Dr. Lena Hendricks. Note: The M68 Aimpoint is mounted backwards.]]
[[Image:Tears ok the Sun LT Waters.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Lieutenant A.K. Waters ([[Bruce Willis]]) with his M4A1 with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea and Lake search the village hooches with their suppressed M4s.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea hands out the contents of his MRE to refugees.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea takes a sniper position in a tree while the other team members raid the village.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake fires his M4. He is firing from this awkward position due to having been shot in the should minutes earlier. ]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red, ([[Cole Hauser]]), fires Lt. Waters' M4 after he drops it.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The team with their weapons. Doc, Lake, Lt., and Zee with their M4s.]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-Lake.jpg||thumb|none|600px|After being wounded, Lake uses his left hand to hold the M4A1.]]

== M4A1 carbine with M203 grenade launcher==
Team corpsman, Doc, and radioman, Zee, both carry [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]
[[Image:TOTS M4-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Zee lays down cover fire with his M4/M203.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc and Zee ready their pistols, while slinging their M4/M203 combos.]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
A few of the Marines disembarking the helicopter in the beginning of the film are carrying [[M16A2|M16A2 rifles]], as well as a few Marines at the end of the film.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:TOTS M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jarhead behind the others is carrying a M16A2.]]
[[Image:TOTS M16A2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Marine in the background is carrying a M16A2.]]

==M16A1 Rifle==
[[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1 rifles]] are used by Nigerian soldiers in the opening scene of the director's cut of the film.
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A1 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]
[[Image:M16_2.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers standing guard with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]
[[Image:M16_3.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Nigerian soldiers standing guard over the President and his family with Vietnam-era M16 rifles.]]

== M25 Sniper Rifle ==
An [[M14_Rifle#M21.2FM25_Sniper_Rifle|M25 Sniper Rifle]] (The U.S. Navy's designation for the M21 Sniper Rifle, which is a U.S. Army designation) is carried by Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]). It is covered in heavy custom camo and mounts a Leupold & Stevens Mark 4 LR/T 10x40 M1 rifle scope. He uses the weapon throughout the movie. It is noted as being of the actual M14/M21/M25 series and not a Springfield M1A by the notch which would normally contain the fire-selector switch. M14s were known to be difficult to control firing fully-automatic so many actual M14s and their derivatives were modified by setting them to semiautomatic and then removing the selector switch to make them semiautomatic-only. However the notch for selector switch itself remains. Rifles manufactured for civilian sale (such as the M1A) do not feature selective fire, and as such do not have the notch made for a selector switch.
[[Image:M21_m1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M21 sniper rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO. The M25 is identical, M25 just being a U.S. Navy designation for the weapon.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk with the M25 rifle. Note the open notch for the selector switch (which has been removed), something done on many actual M14-family rifles.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]) readies to shoot the refugee carrying the transmitter with his M25.]]
[[Image:TOTS M1A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red and Silk make their final stand, firing Lt. Water's M4 and the M25.]]

== L1A1 Rifle ==

At the end of the film, one of the Cameroon border guards can be briefly seen armed with an [[FN FAL#L1A1|L1A1]] rifle instead of an AK variant.

[[Image:L1A1-SLR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|L1A1 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOS L1A1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A Cameroon border guard behind Captain Bill Rhodes ([[Tom Skerritt]]) brandishes an L1A1 rifle.]]

== AKM ==
The most commonly used assault rifle on the African continent, [[AKM]] rifles are seen in the hands of militants, refugees, and Doc, ([[Paul Francis]]) who took it from a dead militant. He is never seen using it, but after the village raid, he most likely gave it to a refugee, as they acquired a lot of them then.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|500px|none|AKM 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS AK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel fighter walks through the jungle with his AKM.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebels enter the mission with their AKMS.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc Kelly sits with his AK slung over his shoulder. He acquired the weapon after Lt. Waters killed it owner.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc crawls towards the village with his AK slung over his shoulder.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel executes a villager with his AK.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A refugee obtains a pair of boots and an AK-47 from a dead rebel.]]
[[Image:TOTS AK-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Arthur Azzuka's bodyguards (a trained soldier) covers Arthur.]]

== Norinco Type 56-1 ==
The under folding version of the AK-47 is seen being used by several soldiers as well as the full stocked variant.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type 56-1 (under-folding stock variant) - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS AKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel fires upon the fleeing SEALs with his Type 56-1.]]

==AKMSU==
A few soldiers are seen wielding the [[AKMSU]].
[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:TOTS AKSU.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel soldiers advancing. They are armed with a variety of AKs including AKMSUs.]]

== SKS rifle ==
Several rebels and refugees are seen carrying [[SKS rifle]].
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SKS rifle 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The point man of the rebel men walks through the jungle.]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Arthur Azzuka's bodyguard saves Lt. Waters.]]
[[Image:TOTS SKS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== FN FAL ==
Actual footage of the violence in Africa is seen in the beginning of the film and one scene shows several soldiers carrying [[FN FAL]] rifles.
[[Image:Fal_para-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN FAL 50.63 Paratrooper with 18" barrel - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS FN FAL.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier far right has a FN FAL paratrooper.]]
[[Image:TOTS FN FAL-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier also has a FN FAL paratrooper.]]

== Karabiner 98k ==
What appears to be a WWII-vintage [[Karabiner 98k]] is seen in the hands of at least two militants. They are never given explicit detail, sadly.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karabiner 98k 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:TOTS Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rebel bottom center is carrying a Kar98.]]
[[Image:TOTS Kar98-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A rebel armed with what appears to be a 98k moves to investigate the body the transmitter-carrying refugee.]]

== M249 SAW Para ==
Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]), the squad's designated heavy gunner and tech-guy is seen with his paratrooper version of the [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249 SAW]] throughout the movie, until he is killed in a shootout with the rebels. Silk ([[Charles Ingram]]) then uses the weapon during the climax firefight.
[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M249 SAW 5.56x45mm paratrooper version with 200-round ammo drum and accessory rail on feed tray cover.]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Slo with his SAW.]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS SAW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note the blank rounds on the ammo belt.]]

== M60D ==
The [[M60D]] is seen mounted on a helicopter, but it is never fired.
[[Image:M60d.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60D machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS M60D.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

== M60E4 Machine Gun ==
Red ([[Cole Hauser]]), the team’s designated heavy-gunner is seen armed with a [[M60 machine gun#M60E4 Machine Gun|M60E4 machine gun]] without the film. Doc ([[Paul Francis]]) wields the weapon when Red runs to set-up a Claymore. Another Navy SEAL who accompanies Captain Bill Rhodes ([[Tom Skerritt]]) also wields a M60E4.
[[Image:M60E4 large.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60E4 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red directs the refugees with his M60E4.]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc mans Red's M60E4.]]
[[Image:TOTS M60E4-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The other Navy SEAL with a M60E4.]]

== DShK Heavy Machine gun ==
It’s hard to determine, but a heavy machine gun; actual DShK or Browning M2 mocked-up is seen on a mounted platform of a flatbed truck.
[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShK heavy machine gun 12.7x109mm]]
[[Image:TOTS DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The machine gun can be seen on the truck.]]
[[Image:TOTS DSHK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel is seen mildly clearly here.]]

== FN MAG ==
Seen in the actual footage at the beginning, a government soldier is seen with what looks to be a [[FN MAG]].

[[Image:Mag58postb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN MAG 58 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:TOTS FN MAG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|THe soldier stands behind a FN MAG in the actual footage.]]

== M72 LAW ==
The [[M72 LAW]] (Light Anti-Tank Weapon) is seen having been carried by Red ([[Cole Hauser]]) and Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]). The two weapons are fired by Lake and Flea.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M72A2 LAW 66mm]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Slo ([[Nick Chinlund]]) helps refugees up a hill with his M72 strapped into his pack.]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea readies his M72.]]
[[Image:TOTS LAW-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Flea and Lake fire their LAWs.]]

== Type 69 RPG ==
The Chinese-replica [[RPG-7#Type 69|Type 69 RPG]] is seen in the hands of several Militant rebels throughout, fitted with the PGO-7 scope.

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Type 69 RPG 40mm]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rebels enter the mission, the one on the far-right brandishing a Type 69 RPG]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An RPG team prepares to engage the SEALs with a Type 69]]
[[Image:TOTS RPG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I'd imagine that black eye hurts, huh?]]

== RPD Light Machine Gun ==
A militant rebel is seen with an [[RPD Light Machine Gun|RPD light machine gun]].
[[Image:RPD-Light-Machine-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPD light machine gun 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:TOTS RPK.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the rebels left of center can be seen armed with an RPD light machine gun]]

== Heckler & Koch MK23 ==
The pistol designed especially for USSOCOM, the [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] is used by several Navy SEALs, including Lt. Waters, Zee, Red, Flea, Lake, and Slo.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|H&K Mk 23 Mod 0 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters with his MK23.]]
[[Image:H&KMk23ModwKnightsSuppressor.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|H&K Mk 23 Mod 0 with (real) Knights Armament suppressor .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Tears of the Sun MK23 1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. A.K. Waters wields a suppressed H&K Mark 23 while engaging militia fighters in the village]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red prepares to enter a hooch with his MK23.]]
[[Image:TOTS MK23-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rack the slide on your MK23, Lake! This is a continuity shot as it only happens for a second.]]
[[Image:TOTS MISC.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Walther PP==
In a deleted scene, Lt. Waters leaves the priest running the hospital a [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PP|Walther PP]] for self-defense.
[[Image:Walther PP.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Walther PP]]
[[Image:WaltherPPK.tots.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Walther PP left by Lt. Waters for the priest.]]

== SIG-Sauer P226 ==
The real life favored handgun of the Navy SEALs, the [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P226|SIG-Sauer P226]] is seen in the hands of Doc and Silk, ([[Paul Francis]] and [[Charles Ingram]]).
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sig Sauer P226 9x19mm]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc crawls towards the village.]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Doc wields his SIG during the final shootout.]]
[[Image:TOTS SIG-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Silk fires his SIG when his M1A runs dry.]]

== Colt M1911A1 ==
The [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] appears in the hands of two senor officers of the Nigerian Militants.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer far left has what looks like a Colt 1911.]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The second in command charges the fleeing SEALs with his 1911.]]
[[Image:TOTS 1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He then tells his men to keep fighting.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is seen in the hands of a militant officer.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:TOTS M9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sgt? far right has a 9mm Beretta.]]

== Remington 870 ==
The team’s forward scout, Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) carries both a [[Remington 870]] and a [[M16 rifle series|M4A1]]. The shotgun is equipped with an extended magazine tube, a side saddle shell holder, and a strange compensator(I believe this is a "duckbill" attachment. It makes the shot spray into a horizontal pattern.) The squad’s designated marksman, Flea ([[Chad Smith]]), takes the shotgun after Lake is shot, but the weapon was dropped and Flea switched back to his M4A1.
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 12 gauge]]
[[Image:TOTS 870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake ([[Johnny Messner]]) leads the way with his Remington 870 at the ready.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake runs through the jungle with his Remington 870.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Kendricks hugs goodbye, Lake covers the area with his Remington shotgun.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lake gives Zee that "what the fuck are we doing?" look.]]
[[Image:TOTS 870-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As Lt. Waters shouts orders, Lake takes cover with his Remington 870 slung over his back.]]

== M67 Hand Grenade ==
All of the SEALs carry and use [[M67 hand grenade]]s throughout the mission.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|200px|M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade.]]
[[Image:TOTS M67.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lt. Waters pulls an M67 grenade from a pouch during a shootout with the rebels]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==
The team’s demolition man, Red ([[Cole Hauser]]), carried three [[M18A1 Claymore]]s into the field with him. He uses two to ambush the militants and later uses it to hold back enemy troops.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]
[[Image:TOTS claymore.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Red sets up his final Claymore as a volley of gunfire hits the log.]]

== M61 Vulcan ==

At the climax of the film, a pair of F/A-18A Hornets are launched to provide close air support for the SEALs, the Hornets being armed with [[M61 Vulcan]]s as secondary armament, though the Hornets engage the rebels with air to ground missiles instead of their guns.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M61 Vulcan 20mm]]
[[Image:TOTS VulcanHornet.JPG|thumb|none|600px|As an F/A-18A Hornet launches from the carrier USS ''John C. Stennis'', the firing port for the M61 Vulcan is visible near the nose of the aircraft]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:War]]

Goodfellas

2011-01-04T05:37:49Z

Doc345: /* M1911A1 */

'''The following firearms were used in the film ''Goodfellas'':'''
[[Image:Goodfellas-dvd.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Goodfellas'' (1990).]]__TOC__ 

'''WARNING! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!'''

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 Snub ==
Henry Hill ([[Ray Liotta]]) pistol-whips Bruce ([[Mark Evan Jacobs]]) with a snub nosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]], which he gives to Karen ([[Lorraine Bracco]]) to hide. Tommy DeVito ([[Joe Pesci]]) keeps a Model 36 snub as his personal weapon, notably using it during the killing of Billy Batts ([[Frank Vincent]]) and wounding Spider ([[Michael Imperioli]]). Jimmy Conway ([[Robert De Niro]]) uses a Model 36 snub to fire the fatal bullets into Billy Batts. During the poker games, both Tommy's Model 36 snub and his M1911A1 can be seen with the Model 36 snub tucked into his left waist band and the M1911A1 hanging from his right side. This is accurate as the real Tommy DeSimmone was known as "Two Gun" Tommy (for obvious reasons).
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith and Wesson Model 36 - .38 special - 5 shot]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jimmy shoots Billy Batts.]]
[[Image:G-H-SW36.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry pulls the snubnose out from under his car seat.]]
[[Image:G-H-SW36-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen holds Henry's S&W.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tommy's S&W Model 36 snub.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tommy whips out his S&W Model 36 snub and pretends to be [[Humphrey Bogart]] in ''[[The Oklahoma Kid]]'' before firing it seven times (a mistake as the Model 36 can only hold five rounds) into Spider's foot.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry holds a S&W Model 36 snub while intimidating an extortion victim in Tampa with Jimmy.]]

== Lupara ==
During a truck hijacking, Henry Hill ([[Ray Liotta]]) carries a sawed-off double-barreled shotgun, or as it's known in Italian "lupara".
[[Image:Gfel-lupara1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry holds the lupara on the driver.]]

==M1911A1==
Tommy DeVito ([[Joe Pesci]]) uses this [[M1911A1]] style pistol to kill Spider ([[Michael Imperioli]]) in the bar card game scene. He later seen carrying a suppressed M1911A1 with a Commander-style hammer when entering the apartment of Stacks Edwards ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]).
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|350px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Gfel-1911a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Two Gun" Tommy's 1911 grip is seen in his waistband after he shoots Spider in the foot.]][[Image:Gfel-1911b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the next poker game, Tommy draws his 1911 and fires six shots at Spider, killing him.]]
[[Image:Gfel-1911c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Tommy puts the suppressed M1911A1 to the head of Stacks Edwards ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]). When the weapon is fired, the M1911A1 doesn't cycle. This was done because firing blanks at this range would be deadly, and the gunshot was added in production. ]]
[[Image:Gfel-1911d.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Tommy fires the suppressed M1911A1 repeatedly. Since the actor being fired at isn't visible in the frame(and thus, out of harm's way), the gun recoils as Tommy fires it.]]
[[Image:G-Tud-45.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Tommy is shot in the head with the M1911. Due to the close promixity to the actor, an 8mm blank firing gun was used. ]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 64 Snub ==
Karen Hill ([[Lorraine Bracco]]) wakes Henry ([[Ray Liotta]]) up from a nap with a snub-nosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 64]] in his face after finding out he's been cheating on her. It is clearly marked as .38 Special on the barrel.
[[Image:Model64SN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 64 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw64a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen holds the gun on Henry.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36n2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen's finger on the trigger.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36n3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hammer.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36n4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The barrel, clearly marked as a ".38 S&W Special". When you look at the barrel in this picture, you'll notice how it is slightly shorter than the nickel Model 36 below, confirming the continuity error.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 36 Nickel ==
In some shots of Karen Hill ([[Lorraine Bracco]]) holding the gun on Henry, it turns into a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] as noted by its 5-round cylinder. Henry then takes it from her and threatens her with it.
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 (nickel) - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw64b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry stares at the revolver.]]
[[Image:Gfel-sw36n1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen begins to cry as she holds Henry's nickel Model 36 on him.]]
[[Image:G-K-SW60-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry looks up the barrel. When you look at the barrel in this picture, you'll notice how it is slightly longer than the Model 64 above, confirming the continuity error.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
A 9 mm [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol is seen in the hands of an undercover cop who arrests Henry Hill during the 1980 drug bust. Henry also has one in the bag of weapons he takes to Jimmy.
[[Image:HPTaar.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm. The gun in the picture has the same configuration (with "beer can" adjustable rear sight) of the version in the film.]]
[[Image:G-gunbag-P9s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "gunbag", with Hi-Power and P9S most clearly visible.]]
[[Image:Gfel-bhp1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jimmy tries to fix a suppressor onto the Hi-Power.]]
[[Image:Gfel-bhp2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry realizes a Hi-Power is being held to his head.]]
[[Image:Gfel-bhp3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The cop holds his Hi-Power on Henry.]]
[[Image:Gfel-bhp4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Hi-Power with "Browning Arms Company" clearly read on the slide.]]

== Heckler & Koch P9S ==
Henry ([[Ray Liotta]]) carries around a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] in the gun bag during the 'Helicopter Paranoia' sequence. It is one of the guns which Jimmy ([[Robert De Niro]]) is unable to affix a suppressor onto.
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 9mm]]
[[Image:G-gunbag-P9s.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "gunbag", with Hi-Power and P9S most clearly visible.]]
[[Image:PDVD_050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jimmy tries to fix a suppressor onto the P9S.]]

== Smith & Wesson Escort ==
A .22 caliber [[Smith & Wesson Escort]] is among the guns that Henry transports around during the helicopters scene. Jimmy is unable to fit a suppressor onto it and gives it back to Henry.
[[Image:S&W Escort.JPG|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Escort - .22 LR]]
[[Image:PDVD_050.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jimmy tries to fix a suppressor onto several guns, including a Hi-Power and an Escort.]]

== Beretta Cheetah ==
Henry sells a [[Beretta Cheetah]], which was also in his weapons bag he tried to sell to Jimmy, to his Pittsburgh connection ([[Paul Herman]]).
[[Image:Beretta87Cheetah.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 87 Cheetah - .22 LR]]
[[Image:Gfel-beretta1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The drug dealer looks over a Beretta that Henry brought him.]]

== Colt Officer's ACP ==
Karen Hill ([[Lorraine Bracco]]) stuffs a nickel [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Officer's ACP|Colt Officer's ACP]] in her underwear during the 1980 drug bust.
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officer's ACP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Gfel-c1911a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen finds the Colt Officer's ACP in her drawer.]]
[[Image:Gfel-c1911b.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karen sticks the Colt Officer's ACP in her underwear.]]

==Astra Constable==
Henry ([[Ray Liotta]]) holds an [[Astra Constable]] as he sleeps with his wife after being released from jail. He later is seen holding it when Karen pulls up on the driveway crying.
[[Image:AstraConstable.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Astra Constable]]
[[Image:Gfel-astra1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry holds the Astra Constable in his hand.]]
[[Image:Gfel-astra2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Henry's Astra Constable seen through the screen door.]]

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[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Martin Scorsese]]

Walking Tall (2004)

2011-01-02T06:38:25Z

Doc345: /* Remington 870 */

'''The following guns were used in the film:'''
[[Image:WalkingTallCover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Walking Tall (2004)'']]

==Glock 17==
[[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] pistols are used by Sheriff Stan Watkins ([[Michael Bowen]]), Dep. Rolston ([[Eric Breker]]), as well as Chris Vaughn ([[Dwayne Johnson|Dwanye "The Rock" Johnson]]) when he becomes Sheriff of the town. When Watkins and some other of the deputies shoot up the police station, Chris gives his Glock to Deni ([[Ashley Scott]]), who helps distract Watkins at one point, but does little more than waste ammo.

[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:WTdepRalstonGlock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dep. Rolston is seen with a Glock 17 in his holster.]]
[[Image:WTGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Watkins points his Glock 17 at Chris after he attacked the casino.]]
[[Image:WTGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Deni fires Chris' Glock 17. Instead of the slide locking back, it simply "clicks" empty. Despite the fact that this is a common way filmmakers show that a pistol is 'empty'; two reasons can explain this, (a) the last round is a dud or (b) the magazine follower has been worn and won't reliably hold the slide back on the last shot.]]
[[Image:WTGlock17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris with his Glock 17 in his house.]]
[[Image:WTGlock17-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris searches for Jay Hamilton ([[Neal McDonough]]) in the broken down Mill with his Glock 17 and flashlight at the ready.]]

==Remington 870==
Chris Vaughn ([[Dwayne Johnson|Dwanye "The Rock" Johnson]]) keeps a [[Remington 870]] locked up in his shed. He takes it with him to assault the casino but then decides to instead take a 4"x4" block of wood instead. He gives the 870 to his father, Chris Vaughn Sr. ([[John Beasley]]), who declines claiming he put his guns up long ago. Later in the film when the ex-security guards attack Chris' family, Vaughn Sr. changes his mind, takes the 870 and kills the last man with it.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:WTRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris takes the 870 out of his truck to assault the casino. Note finger on the trigger, bad Rock! Especially embarrassing as he shows good trigger discipline through most scenes in the movie. ]]
[[Image:WTRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris pumps a round into his 870 before deciding to take the 4"x4" instead.]]
[[Image:WTRem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris offers his 870 to his father, who declines.]]
[[Image:WTRem870-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vaughn Sr. with the 870 after killing the final ex-security guard in his house.]]

==Mossberg 500==
Booth ([[Kevin Durand]]), one of the guards in the Casino tries to shoot Chris with a [[Mossberg 500]] before being dispatched by him and his block of wood. Later in the film when both Chris and Ray Templeton ([[Johnny Knoxville]]) are officers, they are both seen using Mossberg 500 shotguns throughout the film.
[[Image:Mossberg500.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mosberg 500 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Booth fires his Mossberg 500 as he is hit in the face with a 4"x4".]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris gives Ray a Mossberg 500 and tells him to watch his family.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ray grabs the Mossberg 500 as he wakes up in Chris' house.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris pumps his Mossberg when the former officers start shoot up the police department.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris blasts holes in the floor with his Mossberg so Deni and him can escape under the building.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ray aims a Mossberg at one of the ex-security guards before killing him when he tries to fire at him.]]
[[Image:WTMoss500-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chris fires his Mossberg at the ex-deputies. This is not a screenshot but a picture from the DVD photo album.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
One of the security guards in the casino draws a [[Beretta M92F|Beretta 92FS]] when Chris starts a fight for catching a cheating Craps dealer use weighted dice. The same guard uses the Beretta when attacking Chris' family later in the film.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:WTBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard draws his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:WTBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard hits Chris in the face with his Beretta.]]
[[Image:WTBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard points his Beretta at Michelle Vaughn ([[Kristen Wilson]]) in Chris' house.]]

==Ithaca 37==
One of the guards in the casino wields a sawed-off [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun when Chris assaults the place. Another guard is seen using the M37 when they attack Chris' family.
[[Image:Ithaca m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 Sawed-Off - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:WTIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the casino guards with a sawed-off Ithaca 37 at the ready.]]
[[Image:WTIthaca37-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An ex-security guard points his Ithaca 37 at Chris' family.]]

==Daewoo K3 (visually modified to resemble FN Minimi SPW)==

While Chris and Deni are in the Sheriff's Department, Stan Watkins and another deputy begin firing at them with [[Daewoo K3]] LMGs that have been modified to resemble the [[FN Minimi|FN Minimi SPWs]]("Special Purpose Weapons").

[[Image:DaewooK3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daewoo K3 - 5.56x45mm. One of these LMGs, fitted with a fake M249 Paratrooper-style stock, a shortened barrel, and a forward grip, is the weapon used in the film.]]
[[Image:FNminimiSPW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN Minimi SPW - 5.56x45mm, shown here for comparison purposes.]]
[[Image:WTLMG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Watkins firing the Daewoo K3.]]
[[Image:WTLMG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close-up on the muzzle of Watkins' K3. Note here that the front sight is clearly the same as that of a K3, and not at all like that of an FN Minimi.]]
[[Image:WTLMG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the receiver of Watkins' K3.]]
[[Image:WTLMG-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Watkins and his deputy firing their K3s.]]
 

==Colt Model 715==
While Chris and Deni are in the Sheriff's Department, one of the ex-deputies ([[Ty Olsson]]) open up with an [[M16 rifle series#Diemaco C7/Colt Model 715|Colt Model 715]], the earlier Colt Canada C7 produced by the American Colt to serve Canadian forces, noted by [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] forward assist and shell deflector with [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] style sights. It is fitted with a 100 round Beta-C magazine.

''Note: Since the film was 100% filmed in British Columbia, it is expected that the armorers were Canadian. The Armorer, Ron Blecker, though a trained American Soldier is a common face on Canadian television, seen as a background soldier (and military tech advisor) on Canadian shot shows like Battlestar Galactica and Stargate: SG1. Blecker's crew and group are based out of Canada and get all their weapons from Canadian sources.''

[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 715 (virtually the same as the Colt Canada C7) - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:WTM16A3-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An ex-deputy fires his Colt Model 715 at the department.]]
[[Image:WTM16A3-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the deputy firing his Colt 715.]]

==M1911A1==
One of the Ex-Security guards in Chris' house is armed with an [[M1911 pistol series|M1911A1]] pistol which he manages to hit Ray in the leg with before he stabs him with a potato peeler. He later is shown to still be alive and is shot by Chris Sr. with the 870 shotgun.
[[Image:Colt45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt M1911A1 w/ pachmyr grips and long trigger - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:WTM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An ex-guard holds Pete Vaughn ([[Khleo Thomas]]) hostage with an M1911A1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:WTM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The ex-guard aims his M1911A1 at Ray and Chris before being killed by Chris Sr.]]

==MAC-10==
An instruction manual for a [[MAC-10]] submachine gun is seen in the Sheriff's Department as it is shot to pieces by the ex-officers.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:WTMAC-10instructions.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A MAC-10 instruction booklet to the right thumb-nailed to a wall.]]

[[Category:Movie]]

Assembly

2011-01-01T23:53:32Z

Doc345: /* Type 54 Heavy Machine Gun (Mocked up as Browning M2) */

[[Image:Ji jie hao (AKA Assembly ) (2007).jpg|thumb|right|300px|Assembly (Ji jie hao) English poster.]]

'''Assembly''' (Chinese Title: Ji jie hao) is a Chinese 2007 war film (original language: Mandarin) directed by Xiaogeng Feng that tells the story of Gu Zidi (Hanyu Zhang), a Communist soldier who fought to gain recognition for his comrades after his unit was annihilated in a battle during the 1948 Huaihai Campaign of the Chinese Civil War. The film title comes from the Assembly, a bugle call that plays a key role in determining the fate of Gu and his men.

'''''The following weapons are featured in the 2007 war film Assembly:'''''

=Pistols=

== Mauser C96 ==

[[Mauser C96|C96 Broomhandle Pistols]] can be seen carried by Gu Zidi at the beginning of the battle scene and later in the coal mine battle, however it was never used as it is mostly seen holstered inside it distinctive wooden box.

[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser. Note the rear tangent sight; in something of a display of wishful thinking, the C96's sight is adjustable for ranges up to 1000 metres.]]

==Colt Model 1903 Hammerless==

A surrendering Nationalist (KMT) soldier holds up a [[Colt Model 1903/1908|Colt Model 1903 Hammerless pistol]].

[[Image:Colt_Model_1903.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless Pistol Blued - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:Assembly-Colt-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist officer surrenders with his Colt Model 1903 in hand.]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Sten Mk. II==

The [[Sten|Sten Mk. II]] submachine gun is carried by Captain Gu Zidi's first political officer (Quan Ren) during the first battle in the film. After the officer is killed, the Sten is given to his replacement Wang Jincun (Wenkang Yuan). Though not a common weapon, the Sten gun was used by Nationalist and Communist forces throughout World War II and the latter stages of the Chinese Civil War.

[[Image:Unitsten2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II Submachine gun - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Assembly-Sten-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The political officer orders the Communist soldiers to advance.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Sten-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Captain Gu and the political officer take cover behind a gate.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Sten-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu gives the Sten gun to Wang Jincun.]]

==PPS-43 (Mock Up)==

Both Communist and Nationalist forces appears to use [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43|PPS-43]] submachine guns, which judging from the muzzle break, shape of the barrel jacket and folding stock are actually based on [[Norinco Type 64#Norinco Type 79|Norinco Type 79/85]] submachine guns.

[[Image:PPSh-43-Submachine-Gun.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Soviet PPS-43 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Type79smg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 79, 7.62x25mm Tokarev with unfired rounds]]
[[Image:Assembly-PPS-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist soldier opens fire on the advancing Communists with a mock PPS-43.]]
[[Image:Assembly-PPS-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Assembly-PPS-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Communist soldier fires his mock PPS-43 during the battle at the abandoned mine.]]

==Thompson Submachine Gun==

[[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine guns are used by Nationalist forces when they attack Gu's company at an abandoned coal mine on the Wen River, mostly with 20 round magazines. Thompson submachine guns were common among KMT units due to U.S Lend-Lease assistance during World War II.

[[Image:Soldierwolf%2C20070107412.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 20-round magazine and Cutts compensator .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine and early 'simplified' rear sight that would be adopted for the M1 Thompson - .45 ACP ]]
[[Image:Assembly-Thompson-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Nationalist soldier in the foreground is armed with what appears to a a M1A1 Thompson as indicated by the rear sights and the lack of the bolt on top of the weapon with the Cutts compensator.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Thompson-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==M3 Grease Gun==

Communist soldiers are seen carrying what are either [[M3 / M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3]] submachine guns or their Chinese copy, the Type 36.

[[Image:M3_Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3 "Grease Gun" .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Assembly-M3-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Communist soldier with a M3 Grease Gun lifts one of his dead comrades into the mine.]]

==PPSh-41==

A [[PPSh-41 / PPS-43|PPSh-41]] submachine gun is seen hanging from a pillar in a command post, during a scene set in the Korean War.

[[Image:PPSH-01-SMG.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Soviet PPSh-41 Submachine Gun - 7.62x25mm Tokarev]]
[[Image:Assembly-PPSH-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Vzor 24==

Most of the Communist and Nationalist soldiers carry Czechoslovakian [[Mauser Rifle Series#VZ-24 Czech Mauser|Vzor 24]] rifles throughout the movie. The Vz 24 was extensively imported by the Chinese, along with the German Mauser Standard-Modell and Belgian FN 1924 rifles.

[[Image:Czech vz. 24.jpg |450px|thumb|none|Czech vz. 24 - 7.92x57mm ]]
[[Image:Assembly-Mauser-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Communist soldier searches the town with a Vz 24.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Mauser-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Assembly-Mauser-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Type Zhongzheng Rifle (Mauser)==

Some Chinese soldiers also carry [[Mauser Rifle Series#Type Zhongzheng Rifle|Type Zhongzheng (or Chiang Kai Shek)]] rifles throughout the movie. The Type Zhongzheng rifle (also popularly known as the Chiang Kai-Shek rifle or the Type 24) was a derivative of the Mauser Standard-Modell that was extensively used by Communist and Nationalist forces during the Chinese Civil War.

[[Image:En-CKS rifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Type Zhongzheng rifle - 7.92x57 mm]]
[[Image:Assembly-Sten-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rifle on the right is a Zhongzheng, or possibly a Standard-Modell.]]

==Springfield M1903 Mark I==
Captain Gu Zidi uses a Springfield M1903 Mark I rifle during the battles in the town and at the mine. It is identified as the Mark I variant by the presence of an ejection port for a Pedersen device, which is clearly visible when Gu cycles the bolt just before the town battle. Several other Communist and Nationalist soldiers are also seen armed with Springfield M1903s.

[[Image:M1903Mark1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Springfield M1903 Mk 1 - .30-06]]
[[Image:Assembly-Mauser-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu aims his 1903.]]

== Johnson M1941 Rifle ==

Jiang Maocai (Baoqiang Wang), the company's sniper, carries a semi-automatic [[M1941 Johnson rifle|M1941 Johnson Rifle]] that he uses to great effect against Nationalist soldiers throughout the movie. An enemy sniper that shoots at Sergeant Luo Guangtian (Heng Fu) also uses a M1941 Johnson with a telescopic sight. The M1941 Johnson rifle is a relatively rare weapon that was used by the United States Marine Corps during the early years of World War II, with Chinese examples likely coming from Lend-Lease programs.While the Johnson was considered to be an accurate rifle, there is no evidence that they were actually used as the specialized sniper weapons depicted in the film.

[[Image:M1941Johnson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Johnson M1941 Rifle - .30-06]]
[[Image:Assembly-Johnson-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jiang scans the abandoned town with his Johnson M1941.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Johnson-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the Johnson M1941 that shows its unique rotary magazine.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Johnson-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jiang shoots at enemy machine gunners.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Johnson-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist sniper fires a Johnson M1941 fitted with a scope.]]

==M1917 Enfield==

[[M1917 Enfield]] rifles are used by Nationalist soldiers during the battle at the mine in the Chinese Civil War, and later by a Chinese scout disguised as a South Korean soldier during a scene set in the Korean War.

[[Image:m1917enfield.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1917 Enfield .30-06]]
[[Image:Assembly-M1917-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist soldier fires on the advancing Communist soldiers with a M1917 Enfield.]]
[[Image:Assembly-M1917-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A PLA soldier dressed as a South Korean gestures towards the rest of his team.]]

==M1 Carbine==

The [[M1 Carbine]] is carried by Gu Zidi when he participates in a scout mission during the Korean War, as part of his disguise as a South Korean soldier.

[[Image:AutoOrdM1Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M1 Carbine - .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:Assembly-Carbine-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu motions for his comrades to cross the road.]]

==Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk. I==

The [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk. I]] is seen in a scene when Gu returns to China after his military service ends, when People's Liberation Army soldiers are decommissioning old weapons (possibly to be issued to the People's Militia in China or sent overseas to pro-Chinese Communist insurgents in the Third World). When asked about the identity of the rifle, Gu calls it a "British 77", referring to the Lee-Enfield's .303 caliber ammunition.

[[Image:LeeEnfield4Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk.I - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during World War Two, however, it was supplemented heavily with the older Lee Enfield No.1 MK.III. In service between 1941–Present]]
[[Image:Assembly-SMLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu inspects the "British 77". It should be noted that while it is possible for No.4 Mk I rifles to have seen service during the Civil War (The Chinese Nationalist forces in India received Savage-made Lee-Enfield No.4 rifles from the Americans during World War II so its possible that Lee-Enfield No.4 rifles found their way back to China), it is more likely that older variants such as the No.1 MkIII/No.1 MkIII* were used]]
[[Image:Assembly-SMLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu cycles the No.4 MkI's bolt.]]

==Arisaka Type 99 rifle==

A number of [[Arisaka Rifle#Arisaka Type 99|Arisaka Type 99]] rifles were seen in the scene where soldiers of the People's Liberation Army were decommissioning old infantry weapons.

[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Arisaka Type 99 battle rifle - 7.7x58mm]]
[[Image:Assembly-SMLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several Arisaka Type 99s are stacked next to the table.]]

==Type 53 Carbine (Moisin-Nagant M44)==

[[Mosin Nagant Rifle|Mosin-Nagant M44]] rifles are used by a PLA honor guard at the end of the film. It could be the Type 53 Carbine, the Chinese copy of the Mosin-Nagnant M44 Carbine.

[[Image:M44Carbine.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full-length, Soviet Mosin Nagant M44 - 7.62x54R]]
[[Image:Assembly-Mosin-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A honor guard chambers a round into his Mosin Nagant M44.]]

=Machine Guns=

==ZB-26==

Czech-designed [[ZB26 Machine Gun|ZB-26]] machine guns are used by both the Communist and Nationalist forces during the battles in the town and at the mine, most notably by Lu Kuangnou (Naiwei Li).

[[Image:ZB-26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|ZB26 Light Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm]]
[[Image:Assembly-ZB26-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Communist soldiers, including Lu, wait for the advance party to search the town before attacking.]]
[[Image:Assembly-ZB26-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lu (in the goggles) aims his ZB26 machine gun at surrendering Nationalist soldiers.]]

This appears to be a Bren, possible modified for 7.92 as many chinese Brens were. Note the position of the rear sight in the picture, position of bipod and gas return system between the ZB and Bren.

==FN BAR Type D==

The [[Browning Automatic Rifle]] is used by Nationalist forces as a support weapon, and is distinguished as a Fabrique Nationale manufactured Type D by its smaller forend and quick detachable barrel. Such weapons, chambered in 7.92x57mm Mauser, were supplied to the Nationalist Army during the 1930s.

[[Image:FNBARtypeD8mm.jpg|thumb|none|450px|FN BAR Type D - 8mm. This model has a folding carry handle and a smaller forend than the American version. Also note separate pistol grip and stock - 8mm]]
[[Image:Assembly-BAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist soldier opens fire with a FN BAR Type D.]]

==Browning M1919A4==

Nationalist troops use [[Browning M1919]] machine guns during the first battle in the town, pinning down the attacking Communist forces until Jiang is able to eliminate them. Later, in a continuity error, a Type 54 machine gun mounted on a Nationalist tank becomes a Browning during a close-up.

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919 .30-06 on M2 tripod]]
[[Image:Assembly-M1919-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nationalist soldiers fire on advancing Communist soldiers with a tripod mounted Browning M1919.]]
[[Image:Assembly-M1919-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist tank crew member fires a Browning M1919.]]

==Type 24 Heavy Machine Gun (Maxim MG 08)==

Two [[Maxim|Type 24]] heavy machine guns, Chinese-built copies of the famous Maxim MG 08, are used by Gu's company as part of their defenses at the abandoned mine. The one that Lu is using appears to be another Machine gun that is mocked up to resemble the Type 24 Heavy machine gun. Note that the barrel is in the center of the of the water jacket, which appears to be incorrect.

[[Image:MaximMG08.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Maxim MG08 7.92x57mm Mauser on sled mount]]
[[Image:Assembly-Maxim-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu's soldiers set up the Type 24 HMG.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Maxim-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lu firing the Type 24.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Maxim-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Type 54 Heavy Machine Gun (Mocked up as Browning M2)==

Nationalist M26 Pershing tanks are equipped with [[DShK heavy machine gun|Type 54 heavy machine guns]], a Chinese copy of the Soviet DShK machine gun. The barrels are covered with ventilated barrel shrouds in order to imitate the Browning 50 caliber machine guns that were mounted on real Pershing tanks. A rare occurance as Browning M2's are usually used to imitate the DShK, not the other way around.

[[Image:DSHK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Russian DShKM in 12.7x109mm on Tripod]]
[[Image:Assembly-dshk-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist tank commander fires the Type 54 HMG. Note the distinctive ammo box that indicates the weapon is a mocked up DShK.]]

=Grenades=

==Type 2 Stick Grenade==

Type 2 stick grenades are used by Gu and his men, most noticeably as they wait for Nationalist forces to attack their positions at the mine.

[[Image:Assembly-Type2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu reaches for a box of Type 2 stick grenades as the Nationalists prepare to attack his company.]]

==Mk 2 Hand Grenade==

The [[Mk 2 hand grenade]] is used by Nationalist soldiers.

[[Image:MK2 grenade DoD.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Mk 2 hand grenade|Mk 2 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade]]
[[Image:Assembly-MK2-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist soldier prepares to toss a Mk 2 hand grenade.]]

=Other=

==Mountain Gun==

A light artillery gun that is referred to as a "mountain gun" throughout the movie is first used by Nationalist forces to bombard attacking Communist forces during the film's first battle. After it is captured by Captain Gu's soldiers, the weapon is refurbished and used during the battle at the abandoned mine as an anti-tank weapon. This mountain Gun is probably based on the German anti-tank gun PAK 36 (Panzerabwehrkanone 36), in which the Chinese imported from Germany and later copied it during Second Sino-Japanese war.

[[Image:Assembly-gun-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nationalist soldier attempts to throw a lit satchel charge back at the Communist soldiers before being shot.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Gun-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu maneuvers the mountain gun into position to shoot at advancing tanks.]]

This weapon is a Japanese 75mm Type 90 Model 1934 Mountain Gun, which is correct as much of the communist Chinese equipment was of Japanese manufacture.

==Improvised Mortar==

One of the other defensive weapons are mortars improvised from oil drums, which shoot explosive charges at Nationalist forces.

[[Image:Assembly-Mortar-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Wang Jincun ducks during an artillery attack on the Communist positions.]]

==Molotov Cocktail==

When the remaining soldiers in Captain Gu's company are attacked by Nationalist tanks, they improvise Molotov cocktails from liquor bottles.

[[Image:Assembly-Molotov-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers light their molotov cocktails.]]

==Landmine==

During Gu's service in Korea, one of his comrades accidentally steps on a land mine, which a passing American soldier calls a "French anti-personnel mine". Gu helps his comrade escape, but is injured in the process.

[[Image:Assembly-Mine-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gu clears the snow around the mine.]]

=Trivia=

==Fake Tanks==

During the battle at the abandoned mine that leads to the annihilation of Gu's company, the Communist forces are attacked by M26 Pershing tanks and M4 Shermans. These tanks are props that are based on the chassis of Chinese Type 62 light tanks, a scaled down version of the Type 59 (a copy of the Soviet T-54) that remains in People's Liberation Army reserves. The easiest way to tell that the tanks are fake are that real Pershing tanks are larger in size than the Type 62, while real Shermans are smaller. Other details include the mounting of Type 54 machine guns in the place of .50 caliber Brownings, and the gap between the second and third road wheels that is a distinctive feature of all T-54/T-55 and Type 59 tanks.

[[Image:Assembly-Tank-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A side view of the fake M26 Pershing tank. Note the gap between the second and third road wheels that does not exist in M26 Pershings.]]
[[Image:Assembly-Tank-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A fake M4 Sherman moves towards Communist positions.]]

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[[Category:War]]

Die Hard

2011-01-01T16:41:40Z

Doc345: /* Heckler & Koch P7M13 */

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Die Hard'':'''
[[Image:Die hardposter.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Die Hard'' (1988)]]
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'''WARNING! POSSIBLE SPOILERS!'''

== Beretta 92F ==

The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92F]] features prominently in the film as the sidearm of Detective John McClane ([[Bruce Willis]]). At one point, Hans Gruber ([[Alan Rickman]]) gets ahold of it, albeit with no ammo in the magazine which enables McClane to figure out who Hans is, and Karl ([[Alexander Godunov]]) gets ahold of it during a fight near the end of the film and shoots McClane in the shoulder with it. Another Beretta can also be seen being used by one of the SWAT officers involved in the ill-fated raid on the Nakatomi Building.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS-DieHard2-4.jpg‎|thumb|400px|none|Beretta 92F (9x19mm) used by Bruce Willis in ''[[Die Hard]]''. This is the screen-used gun from the film; note the extended mag release and slide release, which were modifications made specifically for Bruce Willis.]]
[[Image:DH-Beretta-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the beginning of the movie, a fellow plane passenger cautiously eyes McClane's 92F in his shoulder holster, but McClane assures him he's a cop.]]
[[Image:DH_McClane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane aims his Beretta 92F at one of Hans Gruber's henchman]]
[[Image:DH_McClane2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane with his Beretta 92F drawn while taking cover from incoming fire from both Hans and Karl. Clearly visible in this image (if enlarged to full-size) is the extended slide release - compare to the picture of the screen-used gun above.]]
[[Image:DH_McClane3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane fires over 15 rounds from his Beretta 92F. Two rounds were fired on the terrorist first entering the room, and about 15 were fired through the table.]]
[[Image:DH-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer with a Beretta 92F.]]
[[Image:DH1_5023.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane loads another mag into his Beretta.]]
[[Image:DH1 5025.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane pretends to chamber a round into his Beretta. Note his finger is on the slide release so it doesn't lock.]]
[[Image:DH-Beretta-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hans Gruber holds Detective John McClane at gunpoint with McClane's own Beretta 92F.]]
[[Image:DH-Beretta-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karl goes to grab McClane's Beretta during their fight.]]
[[Image:DH_Cowboystyle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Happy Trails, Hans''" McClane blows smoke from the barrel of his 92F.]]

== Heckler & Koch P7M13 ==

The primary villain of the film, Hans Gruber ([[Alan Rickman]]) carries a hard chrome [[H&K P7M8#H&K P7M13|Heckler & Koch P7M13]] as his main weapon. The most notable scenes involving it include Gruber threatening and then killing Joseph Takagi ([[James Shigeta]]) and Harry Ellis ([[Hart Bochner]]) with it, and then brandishing it at the climax of the film, holding McClane's wife Holly ([[Bonnie Bedelia]]) at gunpoint and then falling to his death still holding it. When he first brings out the weapon while threatening Takagi, he is shown removing a matching suppressor from the barrel. Although, it's not a P7M13SD, and there is no threaded barrel to use a suppressor. According to the script, Hans was supposed to carry a Walther (likely a PPK, but it's not specifically identified) It is assumed that the P7M13 was used in place of this, as it bears resemblance to a Walther PPK.

[[Image:H&KP7M13 SS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Hard Chrome Heckler & Koch P7M13 9x19mm]]
[[Image:DH-P7M13-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hans Gruber taking the suppressor off his P7M13.]]
[[Image:DH-P7M13-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hans Gruber shooting Joe Takagi in the head with his H&K P7M13. This shot was deliberately shown at a distance because Alan Rickman had trouble with flinching every time he fired the gun.]]
[[Image:DH1 5016.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"How nice to make your acquaintance!" Hans fires his H&K in the air. Clearly not having trouble with flinching in this scene.]]
[[Image:DH_Hostage.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot Hans Gruber holding Holly Gennaro at gunpoint with his Heckler & Koch P7M13.]]
[[Image:DH_Hostage2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Holly Gennaro with Hans Gruber's Heckler & Koch P7M13 to her head.]]
[[Image:DH-P7M13-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hans Gruber falls to his death from the 30th floor of the Nakatomi Building while still holding his Heckler & Koch P7M13]]

== Heckler & Koch P9S ==

The terrorist Heinrich is seen pulling what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] on McClane as he and Marco confront him in the boardroom.
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DH1 5011.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heinrich pulls his pistol on McClane as Marco tries to get out of the way.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK94 (chopped and converted) ==

Another frequently-seen weapon in the film is the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s chopped and converted to look like MP5A3s. The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] was often considered the Rolls Royce of submachine guns when it was first introduced to the market (as of now, it is being phased out by much more sophisticated submachine guns) and are used primarily by Gruber's men (and occasionally Gruber himself). When Gruber gives the order for his two men in the lobby to only wound the SWAT trying to break in, that might have prevented much bloodshed, as the MP5 has a much higher rate of fire and its compact size makes it more maneuverable in CQB compared to the SWAT's M16s. McClane manages to commandeer one from one of the terrorists, Tony Vreski ([[Andreas Wisniewski]]), informing his comrades of this by leaving a note on Tony's corpse saying that "Now I have a machine gun. Ho Ho Ho.". At one point, McClane extends the stock hoping to use it as an anchor so he can descend down the ventilation shaft via the sling, though the sling doesn't support his weight for long, soon coming undone and sending him falling into the shaft before he catches himself on the opening of an air vent. He then procures another MP5 from another slain terrorist, using it for the remainder of the film.

[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch HK94 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3. Note the lack of a paddle magazine release, a lugged barrel, and a push pin set 9x19mm]]
[[Image:DH-HK94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorists arrive at the party wielding Heckler & Koch HK94A3's]]
[[Image:DH-HK94-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the barrel of the "MP5A3" as McClane uses it as an anchor in the shaft. Note the lack of barrel lugs; this shows it to be a converted HK94.]]
[[Image:DH-HK94-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane uses the converted HK94 as an anchor in the shaft. Note lack of paddle magazine release and push pin set.]]
[[Image:DH-HK94-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"No more Table! Where are you going, Pal? Next time you get the chance to kill someone, don't hesitate!" Marco uses the button release to eject and reload the magazine.]]
[[Image:DH-HK94-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|McClane with his HK94 when he talks to Hans Gruber on the walkie-talkie.]]

== Steyr AUG ==

One of the most unique weapons in the film, as the writers are contrasting the terrorists' exotic European weapons versus the American weapons used by the LAPD, the [[Steyr AUG]] assault rifle's bullpup design enables a decent barrel length in a compact design, and it also has an integrated scope. The AUG is used by Karl ([[Alexander Godunov]]) during his personal mission to get revenge against McClane after he killed the first terrorist, who happened to be his brother. In a memorable scene of the film, a bloodied and left-for-dead Karl emerges from the rubble of the Nakatomi Building with his AUG in hand.

[[Image:Steyr-AUG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUG 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:DH-AUG-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karl assembles his Steyr AUG on the elevator.]]
[[Image:DH-AUG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karl shoots at the vents with Steyr AUG hoping to hit McClane.]]
[[Image:DH_AUG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karl with his [[Steyr AUG]] to McClane's head.]]
[[Image:DH-AUG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A bloodied Karl wields his Steyr AUG, hell-bent on killing John McClane]]

== M60E3 Machine Gun ==

Another weapon in the terrorists' arsenal, an [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine gun]] is the weapon used by the terrorists to turn Sgt. Al Powell ([[Reginald VelJohnson]])'s police car into "swiss cheese" after McClane throws a dead terrorist out of a window and onto the hood of his car. It is also used to shoot out spotlights during the attempted SWAT raid on the Nakatomi building.

[[Image:USOM60E3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M60E3 machine gun 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:DH-M60.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A terrorist fires the M60E3 at Powell's police car.]]

== M60 Machine Gun ==
The gunner on the UH-1 Huey helicopter carrying Special Agents Johnson and Johnson is seen opening fire on McClane with a full-sized [[M60_machine_gun|M60 Machine Gun]].

[[Image:M60GPMG.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod folded - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:DH1 5019.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Nail that sucker!" Special Agent Johnson #1 ([[Robert Davi]]) orders the US Army UH-1 Huey doorgunner to open fire on McClane (who they thought was one of the terrorists) with his M60 machine gun ]]

== MGC M-16 Model Gun Corp Replica Rifle ==

When the SWAT team makes their ill-fated raid on the Nakatomi building, they can be seen carrying [[M16 rifle series#MGC M-16 Model Gun Corp Replica Rifle|MGC M-16 Model Gun Corp Replica Rifle]]s. However, the terrorists have monitored their not-so-clandestine movements thanks to the building's closed-circuit camera network, and the SWAT are using "by-the-book" tactics. Furthermore, the SWAT team's M16 rifles despite their power are notably bulky and do not handle easily in CQB. As the terrorists have such an advantage, Gruber only sends two men to deal with the intruders, and a few bursts of fire from their MP5s is enough to cause the SWAT to back down. Not one shot is fired by any of the SWAT officers. Some M16's can be seen with 20-round magazines, while others appear to have 30-round magazines.

[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MGC rifle 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:DH-M16-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer with an MGC M-16, as noted by the bolt insert.]]
[[Image:DH-M16-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers in the crowd with M16s]]

== Steyr SSG 69 Sniper Rifle ==

During the rooftop scene near the end of the movie, FBI Special Agent Johnson ([[Robert Davi]]) attempts to shoot McClane with an [[Steyr SSG 69]] fitted with an AN/PVS-2 Starlight night-vision scope, mistaking him for one of the terrorists. Before Johnson can fire the fatal shot, the bombs planted on the roof are detonated, the fireball engulfing his helicopter.

[[Image:SteyrSSG69.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SSG 69, 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:DH1 5018.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Yee Haw!" Just like fuckin' Saigon!" Special Agent Johnson #1 ([[Robert Davi]]) rides in the gunship with his sniper rifle.]]
[[Image:DH-M40.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Agent Johnson aims his sniper rifle at McClane.]]
[[Image:DH1 5021.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of Johnson with the sniper rifle as the roof is blown. Note that the rifle appears to have a magazine attached to it.]]

== Walther PPK ==

During the takeover of the Nakatomi Building, Karl can be seen using a suppressed [[Walther PPK]] to kill the security guard at the front desk and by the elevators. He later has it without the silencer when he hears McClane leave following Takagi's death and goes to investigate.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Suppressed Walther PPK .380 ACP]]
[[Image:DH-PPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Boom! Two points.''" Karl takes out the security guard.]]
[[Image:DH-PPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Karl with his suppressed Walther PPK before taking out the second security guard.]]

== Hockey Puck Flash Bang ==

During the takeover of the Nakatomi building, the terrorists use flash-bang grenades shaped like hockey pucks to disorient the guard by the elevators long enough for Karl to kill him. One of these weapons is also used during the gun battle that ensues after McClane and Gruber's first meeting when the terrorists are attempting to pin down McClane by shattering the glass windows surrounding him.

[[Image:DH-HockeyPuck.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the "Hockey Puck" flash-bangs moments before detonating and disorienting a security guard]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 15 ==

At the end of the film, McClane finally gets to meet Powell in person and is introducing him to his wife when Karl suddenly emerges from the rubble of the Nakatomi Building intent on killing McClane but six (5) shots from Powell's [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] finally put him down once and for all, the first shots Powell has fired since accidentally shooting a kid sometime in his past.

[[Image:Model15a.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 15 .38 Special]]
[[Image:DH-Powell-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of Powell's Model 15 as he fires it into Karl.]]
[[Image:DH_Powell.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergeant Al Powell (right) with his [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] after saving John and Holly McClane from Karl.]]

== SMAW rocket launcher ==

When the building is surrounded by the police, Hans has his men set up a [[SMAW]] rocket launcher. It's fired twice to take out a SWAT APC.
[[Image:Image004.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M141 SMAW-D 83mm in launch and carry positions]]
[[Image:DH-Recoiless.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A terrorist fires the SMAW at the APC a second time. Note that the glass that was shattered by the terrorist's previous shot is shattered again.]]

==See Also==

*''[[Die Hard]]''
*''[[Die Hard 2]]''
*''[[Die Hard with a Vengeance]]''
*''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''

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[[Category:Action Movie]]
[[Category:Die Hard]]

The Way of the Gun

2010-12-26T18:17:53Z

Doc345: /* Heckler & Koch USP */

[[Image:WayOfGunPoster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The Way of the Gun (2000) ]]

'''''The Way of the Gun''' (2000)'' is an american crime film, directed by Academy Award winning writer/director Christopher McQuarrie. To this date it is the only directorial work of McQuarrie. The film stars an ensemble cast, which includes [[Benicio del Toro]], [[Ryan Phillippe]], [[James Caan]], [[Juliette Lewis]], [[Taye Diggs]] and [[Nicky Katt]]. Even though the film was not a huge box office success at first, it has garnered a cult status in the last few years.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''The Way of the Gun'':'''
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'''WARNING! The page contains some SPOILERS.'''

==IMI Galil ARM (7.62mm)==
Mr. Longbaugh ([[Benicio del Toro]]) uses the [[Galil#Galil 7.62 AR|Galil]] first as a sniper rifle fitted with a scope attached during the motel shootout and at the firefight at the brothel at the end of the film without the scope.
[[Image:Galilarm-05.jpg|thumb|none|350px|7.62mm NATO variant of the Galil hence the square magazine.]]
[[Image:WoGGALILSniper.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|'Mr. Longbaugh' uses the Galil as a sniper during the motel shootout.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Galil02.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Galil ARM in 7.62x51mm - Benicio Del Toro fires this semiautomatic throughout the film.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Galil03.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 and Galil ARM in 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:WoGGALIL_2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh fires the Galil. (NOTE: In the film the bulletholes appear in a perfect horizontal line.)]]

==M1911A1 Colt Series 70 Pistols==
Mr. Longbaugh ([[Benicio del Toro]]) and Mr. Parker ([[Ryan Phillippe]]) use [[M1911 pistol series#Colt MK IV Series 70|Colt Series 70 Government Model]] pistols as their main handguns. Used throughout the movie. Unlike most films where handguns are "Mexican carried", they carry theirs in IWB holsters which is a much safer and smarter way to carry. The Colts used in the film are 9mm caliber noted by the tapered barrels and crimp indention in the magazines.
[[Image:ColtMkIVSeries70.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911 Colt Series 70 Pistol]]
[[Image:WoG1911Parker.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker holds his gun on Jeffers and Obecks.]]
[[Image:WoG1911LB.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh pulls his Colt and fires it in the darkness. This causes Joe Sarno to declare: '''"One's backfire, three is gunplay."''']]
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Good veiw of the IWB holster used by Longbaugh, Parker also uses one. Note that he carries it in "Condition One", chambered, hammer cocked, with the safety on. The holster appears to be the Galco Royal Guard.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-00081.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker holds his his Colt on Longbaugh outside the motel. Note Colt's Mark IV/Series 70 Government Model 9mm Luger Caliber on the slide.]]
[[Image:TheWayoftheGun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker and Longbaugh with their M1911 Colt Series 70 Pistols.]]
[[Image:WoG870&1911.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker and Longbaugh contemplate on the subject of the money being a set-up.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh fires his Colt.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh does a brass check on his Colt (one-handed).]]
[[Image:WayOfGunM1911 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker aims his M1911 Colt Series 70 Pistol.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker empties his Colt, note the tapered barrel meaning this is a 9mm caliber Colt.]]
[[Image:WoG1911Parker-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker reloads his gun one-handed, since his left arm was hurt from the glass shards.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Several of Longbaugh's empty magazines, note the side crimp on the mags which helps feeding the smaller 9mm rounds better.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP ==
[[Taye Diggs]] as Jeffers and [[Nicky Katt]] as Obecks use the 9mm [[Heckler & Koch USP]]s as their main handguns.
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WayOfGun 01.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Obecks and Jeffers point their 9mm H&K USPs.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-HK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Obecks points his H&K USP at Robin's belly. He continues to do so until Longbaugh and Parker start to leave he then takes his finger off the trigger to show that he means her no harm.]]
[[Image:WoGUSPJeffers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers aims his USP at Parker and Longbaugh.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-HK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers aims his H&K USP at the Mexican Federales.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-HK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers fires his H&K USP. Note excellent job at not flinching.]]
[[Image:WoGHKUSP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers with his USP.]]

==Walther PPK/S==
A [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PPK/S|Walther PPK/S]] is used by Dr. Painter ([[Dylan Kussman]]) to kill Jeffers in the whorehouse.
[[Image:WaltherPPKS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK/S - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:TWOTG-PPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker grabs the PPK/S out of the bag before Dr. Painter gets a chance to. Longbaugh had already searched the bag, but chose not to take out the gun to prove to Parker that the doctor could not be trusted.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-PPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh disassembles the PPK/S.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-PPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He tosses the disassembled gun back into the doctor's bag.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun PPKS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Dr. Painter shoots Jeffers with a Walther PPK/S he hid in his Doctor's bag - .380acp]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Used by the "Question Mark" a [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol.
[[Image:BrowningHiPowerStd.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial Browning Hi-Power pistol - 9mm]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Browning-Hi-Power.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Character named "?", played by ([[José Pérez]]), nervously holds his Browning HiPower in 9mm]]
[[Image:TWOTG-HP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Taurus Model 85==
Joe Sarno ([[James Caan]]) gathers a team of his old veteran 'enforcers' to take care of business. When they attack the whorehouse they carry the newest version of the [[Taurus Model 85|Taurus Model 85s]], with rubber grips in .38 Special.
[[Image:TaurusModel85NewModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Newest incarnation of the Taurus Model 85 5-shot revolver - .38 Special]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Snub.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|One of Joe Sarno's old timer killers waits around a corner with a New Model Taurus 85 - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Snub02.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The same old enforcers gets shot in the foot and drops his New Model Taurus 85 - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:WayOfGunSnub 04.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|Another older enforcer fires in the courtyard with a New Model Taurus 85 - .38 Special.]]

==S&W Model 640 Centential==
Joe Sarno ([[James Caan]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial]] as his weapon of choice.
[[Image:Smith%26Wesson640.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:WayOfGun JamesCaan 03aa.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Sarno ([[James Caan]]) fires his Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:WoGS&W640.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Sarno ([[James Caan]]) with the Model 640.]]
[[Image:WoGS&W640-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Joe Sarno fires the Model 640.]]
[[Image:WoGS&W640-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarno tries to reload his gun, but cannot find any spare bullets on him. ''(NOTE: James Caan actually uses the ejector rod to push out the empty shells, instead of vigorously shaking the gun. A rare sight in Hollywood.)'']]

==Remington 870==
Parker ([[Ryan Phillippe]]) and Longbaugh ([[Benicio del Toro]]) use a matte blued [[Remington 870]] throughout the film. Mostly used by Parker during the brothel shootout.
[[Image:Remington870NewModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Shotgun.]]
[[Image:WoG870LB.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh fires the shotgun at Jeffers and Obecks.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh lays down suppressing fire with the 870. After firing several more rounds the 870 stovepipes. Unlike most films that cut around a jammed gun, Longbaugh simply clears the jam and continues firing.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Shotgun 03.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Longbaugh reloads the Remington 870 Shotgun in the car - 12ga]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Ryan Phillippe]] as Parker points his Remington 870 Shotgun - 12ga]]
[[Image:TWOTG-870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker fires the 870.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After diving into an empty fountain for cover, the bottom turns out to be riddled with glass.]]

==Mossberg 590 Mariner==
[[Taye Diggs]] as Jeffers uses a [[Mossberg 500-series shotgun#Mossberg 590|Mossberg 590 Mariner]] during the first car chase after Robin gets kidnapped by Parker and Longbaugh. Not to be confused with the more common Mossberg 500 Mariner.
[[Image:Mossberg590Mariner 9Shot.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Mossberg 590 Mariner - 9 Shot™ - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WoGJeffersMariner.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers with the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-MOSS590-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers aims the Mossberg in the foreground. Note that he is holding it left handed. Although Taye Diggs is right handed, the weapons adviser for the film (a Navy SEAL) said that if you're using a building on your right as cover you would shoot left handed, which minimizes your body exposure and makes you less of a target.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-MOSS590-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers checks a room where he thought Parker went into after they got out of their SUV a second time. Note that he is still holding the gun left handed. While it wasn't necessary he continued to because he had gotten comfortable handling the shotgun this way.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Shotgun Mariner02.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Jeffers holds a Mossberg 590 Mariner - 12 Gauge.]]

==Stoeger/IGA Coach Double Barreled 12 Gauge Shotgun==
Parker and Longbaugh used an [[Stoeger/IGA Coach]] 12 gauge shotgun to set up a wired booby trap in their hotel room. Robin ([[Juliette Lewis]]) grabs the shotgun and turns the tables on them.
[[Image:IGA-Coach-Gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Stoeger/IGA Coach - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun IGACoach.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Stoeger/IGA Coach on the table in a booby trap - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-DB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robin with the shotgun as she calls the police.]]

==Mossberg 500AT Shotgun==
Two of Joe Sarno's old timer 'enforcers' are carrying Mossberg 500AT shotguns (the old style wooden stock riot version).
[[Image:Mossberg500AT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:WayOfGun FinalShotguns01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Joe Sarno's thugs fires a Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun Model20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of another one of Joe Sarno's shooters with the Mossberg 500AT Shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-MOSS500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Colt Commander==
Mr. Parker ([[Ryan Phillippe]]) uses what appears to be a Colt Commander as his offhand weapon when they first attempt to kidnap Robin ([[Juliette Lewis]]). He places the muzzle of the Colt Commander on Jeffers' ([[Taye Diggs]]) cheek.
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:TWOTG-COLTCOMM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Parker with his Government Model held on Obecks and Commander on Jeffers.]]
[[Image:WayOfGun_01.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|The gun resting on Jeffers' (on the right) cheek is the Colt Commander.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-COLTCOMM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another view.]]

==Revolvers==
Abner Mercer ([[Geoffrey Lewis]]) loads up six revolvers each with one round and puts them in bag to select one to kill himself with.
[[Image:TWOTG-REV-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abner loads up the revolvers.]]
[[Image:TWOTG-REV-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abner selects a gun to shoot himself, but is interrupted by a phone call from Joe Sarno ([[James Caan]]).]]
Two Mexican Federales carry what appear to be Ruger GP100's.
[[Image:TWOTG-REV-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Federales with their guns drawn]]

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Payback

2010-12-18T05:11:59Z

Doc345: /* Smith & Wesson Model 29 */

''Payback'' is a 1999 action film starring [[Mel Gibson]] as a thief who is double-crossed by his partner and his attempt to get the money owed him back. Unsatisfied with the original tone of the film as well as the ending, Gibson decided to reshoot several sequences and add several characters to the film before its release in 1999. In 2006, director Brian Helgeland was allowed to go back and restore his original vision for the film. It was released on DVD as "Payback Straight Up: The Director's Cut". Most of the screencaps for this page are from the Director's Cut.

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[Payback]]'':'''
[[Image:Payback cover.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Payback: The Director's Cut'' (2006)]]
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==Smith & Wesson Model 29==
Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) uses a blued [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] 4" with S&W factory combat grips for the majority of the film after buying it in a pawn shop. It is not a [[Smith & Wesson Model 27]] as previously mentioned, as the diameter of the muzzle and cylinder chambers is clearly too large to be .357 Magnum. Also the barrel on the Model 27 has a slight taper while the barrel on the M29 is a heavy "bull" barrel. In addition the forcing cone on the Model 27 is visible and the cylinder is shorter on the Model 27. The cylinder on the Model 29 fills the frame. Like the one used in the movie.In addition the Model 27 has very fine checkering on the top strap. Observe the stills that show the top strap on the revolver being used by Mel Gibson. It's smooth which is another feature of the Model 29.See the discussion page for comparisons. '''''There are clearly two different S&W revolvers used. One is a S&W model 29 and the other is a S&W model 27/28. In the pictures of Porter firing the revolver and the Beretta and again pointing at Lucy Liu, you can clearly see the barrel taper of a 27/28. While the gun may switch between the 29 and 27/28 in the same scene, there is definitely a 27/28 used.'''''
[[Image:M29S&W4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 with 4" barrel.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The pawn shop owner hands Porter a Smith & Wesson Model 29 from off the rack. His lack of gun safety is pretty obvious as he hands him the gun with the hammer cocked and his finger on the trigger.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Left:''' Porter swings open the cylinder and spins it. A ratcheting sound effect is heard even though there is nothing for the cylinder to ratchet against. '''Right:''' Porter examines the barrel. Note the smooth topstrap. Consistent with a Model 29. See the discussion page for comparisons.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After doing some flashy twirling, Porter hands the shop owner the Model 29 back to make a purchase. Without a background check it is doubtful he would have actually made the purchase. For some reason he isn't shown buying cartridges either...]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter searches his wife's house with his Model 29 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Model 29 with regular grips is seen in Detective Hicks' ([[Bill Duke]]) holster.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter holds his Model 27 on Val in the hotel room.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter shoots Val in Rosie's ([[Maria Bello]]) house.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter uses a pillow to muffle the gunshot as he executes Val. This is movie fiction, as a pillow would not properly suppress a handgun, especially a revolver. It is also pointless since three rounds are fired before this. Although he could have simply used the pillow to deflect the bloodspray caused by a closerange headshot.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter holds his Model 27 on the Detectives before handing it to them outside the "Outfit's" building.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Arthur Stegman ([[David Paymer]]) holds a Model 29 on Porter in the back of a Taxi cab before he takes it from him.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter fires the Model 29 in an akimbo stance along with a [[Beretta 92FS]] at the Triads, unloading about 13 rounds from his six shot revolver.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter fires the two guns through the floor of the Triad van. You can see he is simply dry-firing the gun as no muzzle flash is seen, likely a safety precaution for firing blanks at such close proximity.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the guns firing, with excellent shots of the gun's markings.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter rolls out from under the van and shoots the Triad driver.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter holds the Model 29 on Pearl ([[Lucy Liu]]).]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W27-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun clicks empty. That's the inconvenience of movie guns, they can fire off a ridiculous amount of ammunition but never have a bullet left when you really need it.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&w27-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Internal Affairs officers show off Porter's original Model 29 to Det. Hicks ([[Bill Duke]]) and Det. Leary ([[Jack Conley]]) after Porter left the gun (covered with their fingerprints) at the scene of Val's murder, along with one of their badges.]]

==Colt Python==
Lynn Porter ([[Deborah Kara Unger]]) uses a stainless [[Colt Python]] to shoot Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) in the back after she and Val Resnick ([[Gregg Henry]]) decide to take the Triad's stolen money for themselves.
[[Image:ColtPythonSS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PaybackColtPython-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lynn shoots Porter in the back with the Colt Python. Although she blinks on the first shot, she does a good job of keeping her eyes open for the other two.]]
[[Image:PaybackColtPython-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Val tries to comfort Lynn as she holds her Colt Python. Nice work following rule number three, finger off the trigger.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Val Resnick ([[Gregg Henry]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS]] pistol as his main sidearm, which Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) takes from him and uses for the rest of the film.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Val surrenders his Beretta 92FS when being stripped by an employee at "The Outfit".]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Val holds his Beretta 92FS on Rosie ([[Maria Bello]]) with a horrible gangster grip.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter hold's Val's Beretta 92FS on Fairfax ([[James Coburn]]) using the same horrible gangster grip.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter fires his Beretta 92FS akimbo with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 27]] at the Triads.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter unloads on the Triads.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter rolls out from under the van and guns down the Triad driver.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rosie ([[Maria Bello]]) holding Porter's Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter guns down two thugs in the bathroom with his Beretta 92FS.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Even though Porter had fired his Beretta 92FS multiple times during the final gunfight, the hammer is strangely down in this shot.]]
[[Image:PaybackBeretta92FS-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter fires his Beretta 92FS at the fleeing Outfit members. In his defense, his eyes are closed because he is dazed.]]

==Walther PP==
Val Resnick ([[Gregg Henry]]) carries a [[Walther PP Pistol Series#Walther PP|Walther PP]] as secondary sidearm.
[[Image:Walther PP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PP - .32 ACP.]]
[[Image:PaybackWaltherPP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Val surrenders his Walther PP to an Outfit employee.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 49 "Bodyguard"==
Val Resnick ([[Gregg Henry]]) carries [[Smith & Wesson Model 36 / 38#Smith & Wesson Model 49|Smith & Wesson Model 49 "Bodyguard"]] in an ankle holster.
[[Image:SWBodyguard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 49 .38 Special]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W49-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Outfit employee removed Val's Smith & Wesson Model 49 "Bodyguard".]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W49-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The employee remarks on the ankle gun.]]

==Walther PPK==
Pearl ([[Lucy Liu]]) carries a blued [[Walther PPK]] with pearl grips (possibly in relation with her name) as her sidearm.
[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:PaybackWaltherPPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pearl fires her Walther PPK at Porter through the floor of the Triad van. Luckily for Porter, she misses him across the 2ft distance of a the van.]]
[[Image:PaybackWaltherPPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pearl holds her Walther PPK on Porter.]]
[[Image:PaybackWaltherPPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun clicks empty instead of locking back like it should have on the last shot. Then again, maybe it misfired and Porter got ''really'' lucky.]]

==SIG-Sauer P220==
The Triad van driver ([[Jeff Imada]]) is seen firing a [[SIG-Sauer P220]] through the floor of the van at Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]). Earlier in the film Porter is seen taking a SIG P220 from one of Carter's ([[William Devane]]) guards after knocking him out with a roll of pennies and then using it to kill him. They are noted as the P220 model by their lack of double stack bulges on the frame, and their .45-sized muzzle diameters.
[[Image:SigP220EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter shoots Carter with one of his guard's SIG-Sauer P220 pistols.]]
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Triad van driver ([[Jeff Imada]]) fires his SIG-Sauer P220 at Porter under the van, and misses him despite him being directly under him.]]
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Triad driver is shot by Porter. Note the lack of bulges in the frame.]]
[[Image:PaybackSIGP220-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Outfit members at the end of the film tries to exit the car and shoot at Porter while armed with a SIG-Sauer P220. The actor playing this thug appears to be [[Patrick Kilpatrick]]. The one in the middle is John Glover, best known for playing Lionel Luthor in [[Smallville]].]]

==M3 "Grease Gun"==
When Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) is attacked by the Triad gang members, two of them are seen firing [[M3A1 "Grease Gun"|M3 "Grease Guns"]]. They clearly have external charging handles, helping to identify them as older M3s, not M3A1s.
[[Image:M3 Grease.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M3A1 "Grease Gun" - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Triad gang members fires his M3 "Grease Gun" at the taxi cab.]]
[[Image:PaybackM3GreaseGun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The two Triads unload their M3 "Grease Guns".]]

==Glock 17==
One of the Triad gang members is seen using a 2nd Generation [[Glock 17]] to shoot at Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) in the taxi cab. Later Porter is seen disposing of two Glock 17s after killing two thugs in the restroom.
:The two Glocks Porter takes from the restroom thugs appear to be first generation models due to their lack of ridges in the grips.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 - 9mm.]]
[[image:Glock171stGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A generation 1 Glock 17 in 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Triads fires his Glock 17 at Porter in the cab. Note how the top of the barrel has been milled down for blank conversion.]]
[[Image:PaybackGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter throws two Glock 17s into the trash bin.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10 Heavy Barrel==
Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) tries to draw a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] Heavy Barrel with a 3" barrel when he shot in the back by Lynn ([[Deborah Kara Unger]]).
[[Image:S&WModel10HB.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 10HB - .38spl.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W10HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter attempts to draw his Smith & Wesson Model 10HB.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W10HB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter falls down and drops his Model 10HB.]]

==Heckler & Koch VP70==
A Triad gang member fires a [[Heckler & Koch VP70]] at Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) in the taxi cab.
[[Image:HK VP70Z 1890.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch VP70 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackVP70-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Triad fires his Heckler & Koch VP70.]]
[[Image:PaybackVP70-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Triad holding his Heckler & Koch VP70. What happened to his shades?]]

==Remington 870 Sawed-Off==
Radioman ([[Kwame Amoaku]]) tries to save Arthur Stegman ([[David Paymer]]) with a sawed-off [[Remington 870]] shotgun before being mowed down by the Triads. Based on the sling swivel on the pistol grip, it is assumed this gun was professional sawed down by a film armorer.
[[Image:Rem870SO1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Sawed-Off - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:PaybackRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Radioman holds his sawed-off Remington 870 on Porter when he disarms Stegman in the back seat of the taxi.]]
[[Image:PaybackRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A good side shot of the Remington 870. Note the sling swivel on the grip.]]

==Smith & Wesson 669==
Lynn's ([[Deborah Kara Unger]]) heroin dealer ([[Freddy Rodriguez]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 669]] with bobbed hammer installed, which Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) disarms him of and holds on him as he interrogates him.
[[Image:Smith & wesson model 669.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 669 without old bobbed hammer - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W669-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter disarms the heroin dealer of his Smith & Wesson 669.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W669-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter searches the dealer while holding his Smith & Wesson 669 on him.]]
[[Image:PaybackS&W669-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Porter with the Smith & Wesson 669.]]

==Heckler & Koch P7==
One of Carter's ([[William Devane]]) bodyguards is seen armed with a [[Heckler & Koch P7M8]] before Porter ([[Mel Gibson]]) knocks him out with a roll of pennies. An Outfit member is seen firing one at Porter during the final firefight as well.

[[Image:P7M8Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch P7M8 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackP7M8-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard drops his Heckler & Koch P7M8 after being knocked out by Porter.]]
[[Image:PaybackP7M8-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the Outfit members fires her Heckler & Koch P7M8 at Porter.]]

==Ruger Mark II==
An Outfit thug at the train station opens his lunchbox to reveal [[Ruger Mk II Pistol|Ruger Mark II]] pistol with an integral suppressor.
[[Image:RugerMkIIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Mark III with custom suppressor - .22 long rifle.]]
[[Image:PaybackRugerMkII-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Outfit thug reveals a suppressed Ruger Mark II pistol in his lunch box.]]

==Walther P38==
Inside the pawn shop, a [[Walther P38]] is seen hanging on the pistol rack, along with several unknown revolvers.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P38 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PaybackWaltherP38-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Walther P38 hangs on the pistol rack in the pawn shop.]]
[[Image:Payback-p38a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The weapons on the pistol rack in the pawn shop.]]

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Gran Torino

2010-11-29T08:32:47Z

Doc345: /* Remington 870 */

'''The following guns appear in the film ''[[Gran Torino]]'':'''
[[Image:Gran_Torino_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Gran Torino (2008)'']]__TOC__ 

==M1 Garand==
Walt Kowalski ([[Clint Eastwood]]) uses an [[M1 Garand]] that he kept from the Korean War to chase Thao Vang Lor ([[Bee Vang]]) out of his garage and scare the Hmong gangmembers off his lawn. Walt misfires it when slipping in his garage when he is chasing after Thao.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand - .30-06.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt loads an "en-bloc" into his M1 Garand (which looks to be loaded with blanks) when he hears Thao in his garage.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt aims his M1 Garand at Thao in the garage, holding his right arm way too high for a trained soldier.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Get off my lawn!"'' Walt brings out his M1 at the gang members who harass Thao.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"We used to stack fucks like you five feet high in Korea and use you for sand bags."'']]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt keeps his M1 Garand rested against the stove in the kitchen.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thao asks if he can use Walt's M1 Garand to get revenge on the Hmong gang, but shows him right away his lack of firearms training as he breaks all three gun safety rules at once. That is, he didn't check to see if it was loaded, wrapped his finger around the trigger, and flags Walt with the muzzle.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Walt Kowalski ([[Clint Eastwood]]) uses a pre-war commercial [[M1911A1]] (as evidenced by the blue finish) that he kept from the Korean War to aim at the "Spooks" to scare them away from Thao's sister Sue Lor ([[Ahney Her]]), and is seen carrying it around in many scenes. Walt carries it around in his belt without a holster.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt holds his Colt M1911A1 on the "spooks" when threatening them for "fucking with the wrong guy."]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt holding his Colt M1911A1 on the gangsters as Sue gets in his truck.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt chambers his Colt M1911A1 when outside Smokie's ([[Sonny Vue]]) house.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt beats and threatens Smokie with his Colt M1911A1 after Smokie burns Thao with a cigarette and breaks his tools.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt cleans his disassembled Colt M1911A1 with a gun and reel cloth.]]

==MAC-10==
[[MAC-10]]s are used by the Hmong gang members to shoot up the Lor's house during a drive-by.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP.]]‎
[[Image:GT-MAC10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gangsters fire their MAC-10s at the Lor's house.]]
[[Image:GT-MAC10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster fires his MAC-10.]]

==IMI Uzi==
Smokie ([[Sonny Vue]]) flashes an [[IMI Uzi]] when arguing with the Hispanic gangsters.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:GT-Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smokie shows off his IMI Uzi, while pointing it at Spider with his finger on the trigger.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
A [[Colt Detective Special]] is flashed by a Hispanic gang member.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:GT-ColtDS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Hispanic gangster shows off his Colt Detective Special.]]

==Remington 870==
Martin the barber ([[John Carroll Lynch]]) jokingly pulls a [[Remington 870]] shotgun on Thao ([[Bee Vang]]) when he doesn't properly ask for a haircut as Walt ([[Clint Eastwood]]) tries to teach him how.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]‎
[[Image:GT-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martin teaches Thao that when you greet someone as a "old Italian prick", you're liable to get your head blown off. He does it again anyways.]]
[[Image:GT-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt grabs the Remington 870 shotgun as Martin points it at Thao. Note the lack of trigger discipline. Although, considering the lack of focus, it is possible that he has his finger resting on the trigger gaurd. Also his intentions were to scare Thao, so aiming a loaded weapon at him in a ready to fire position was warranted.]]

==Colt Python==
Spider ([[Doua Moua]]) is seen using a [[Colt Python]] at the end of the film.
[[Image:ColtPythonFlipSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python 6" - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:GT-ColtPython-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spider aims his Colt Python.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial==
Smokie ([[Sonny Vue]]) fires a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial]] at the end of the film.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson640.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:GT-S&W640Centennial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smokie fires his Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial.]]

==Unknown Pistols==
Many of the Hmong gangsters at the end of the film are seen aiming pistols that are too obscured from the darkness and distance to identify.

[[Image:GT-UnknownPistols-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hmong gangsters aim their pistols.]]

==Glock 17==
Police officers in the film are seen with 2nd Generation [[Glock 17]]s in their holsters.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:GT-G17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers escort Father Janovich ([[Christopher Carley]]) off Smokie's property. Glock 17 circled in red.]]
[[Image:GT-G17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer holds back Thao outside Smokie's house. Glock 17 circled in red.]]

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Gran Torino

2010-11-29T08:32:24Z

Doc345: /* Remington 870 */

'''The following guns appear in the film ''[[Gran Torino]]'':'''
[[Image:Gran_Torino_poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Gran Torino (2008)'']]__TOC__ 

==M1 Garand==
Walt Kowalski ([[Clint Eastwood]]) uses an [[M1 Garand]] that he kept from the Korean War to chase Thao Vang Lor ([[Bee Vang]]) out of his garage and scare the Hmong gangmembers off his lawn. Walt misfires it when slipping in his garage when he is chasing after Thao.
[[Image:M1 Garand.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Garand - .30-06.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt loads an "en-bloc" into his M1 Garand (which looks to be loaded with blanks) when he hears Thao in his garage.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt aims his M1 Garand at Thao in the garage, holding his right arm way too high for a trained soldier.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"Get off my lawn!"'' Walt brings out his M1 at the gang members who harass Thao.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"We used to stack fucks like you five feet high in Korea and use you for sand bags."'']]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt keeps his M1 Garand rested against the stove in the kitchen.]]
[[Image:GT-M1Garand-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thao asks if he can use Walt's M1 Garand to get revenge on the Hmong gang, but shows him right away his lack of firearms training as he breaks all three gun safety rules at once. That is, he didn't check to see if it was loaded, wrapped his finger around the trigger, and flags Walt with the muzzle.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Walt Kowalski ([[Clint Eastwood]]) uses a pre-war commercial [[M1911A1]] (as evidenced by the blue finish) that he kept from the Korean War to aim at the "Spooks" to scare them away from Thao's sister Sue Lor ([[Ahney Her]]), and is seen carrying it around in many scenes. Walt carries it around in his belt without a holster.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt holds his Colt M1911A1 on the "spooks" when threatening them for "fucking with the wrong guy."]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt holding his Colt M1911A1 on the gangsters as Sue gets in his truck.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt chambers his Colt M1911A1 when outside Smokie's ([[Sonny Vue]]) house.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt beats and threatens Smokie with his Colt M1911A1 after Smokie burns Thao with a cigarette and breaks his tools.]]
[[Image:GT-M1911A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt cleans his disassembled Colt M1911A1 with a gun and reel cloth.]]

==MAC-10==
[[MAC-10]]s are used by the Hmong gang members to shoot up the Lor's house during a drive-by.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ingram MAC 10 - .45 ACP.]]‎
[[Image:GT-MAC10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Gangsters fire their MAC-10s at the Lor's house.]]
[[Image:GT-MAC10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A gangster fires his MAC-10.]]

==IMI Uzi==
Smokie ([[Sonny Vue]]) flashes an [[IMI Uzi]] when arguing with the Hispanic gangsters.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:GT-Uzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smokie shows off his IMI Uzi, while pointing it at Spider with his finger on the trigger.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
A [[Colt Detective Special]] is flashed by a Hispanic gang member.
[[Image:Colt Detective Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special.]]
[[Image:GT-ColtDS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Hispanic gangster shows off his Colt Detective Special.]]

==Remington 870==
Martin the barber ([[John Carroll Lynch]]) jokingly pulls a [[Remington 870]] shotgun on Thao ([[Bee Vang]]) when he doesn't properly ask for a haircut as Walt ([[Clint Eastwood]]) tries to teach him how.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]‎
[[Image:GT-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Martin teaches Thao that when you greet someone as a "old Italian prick", you're liable to get your head blown off. He does it again anyways.]]
[[Image:GT-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Walt grabs the Remington 870 shotgun as Martin points it at Thao. Note the lack of trigger discipline. Although, considering the lack of focus, it is possible that he has his finger resting on the trigger gaurd. Also his intentions were to scare Thao so aiming a loaded weapon at him in a ready to fire position was warranted.]]

==Colt Python==
Spider ([[Doua Moua]]) is seen using a [[Colt Python]] at the end of the film.
[[Image:ColtPythonFlipSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Python 6" - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:GT-ColtPython-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Spider aims his Colt Python.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial==
Smokie ([[Sonny Vue]]) fires a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial]] at the end of the film.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson640.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:GT-S&W640Centennial-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smokie fires his Smith & Wesson Model 640 Centennial.]]

==Unknown Pistols==
Many of the Hmong gangsters at the end of the film are seen aiming pistols that are too obscured from the darkness and distance to identify.

[[Image:GT-UnknownPistols-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hmong gangsters aim their pistols.]]

==Glock 17==
Police officers in the film are seen with 2nd Generation [[Glock 17]]s in their holsters.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:GT-G17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers escort Father Janovich ([[Christopher Carley]]) off Smokie's property. Glock 17 circled in red.]]
[[Image:GT-G17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer holds back Thao outside Smokie's house. Glock 17 circled in red.]]

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The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-03T23:01:52Z

Doc345: /* Browning M2HB */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside an Abrams tank.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can also be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT Grimes takes refuge in ,numerous Bell UH-1 Iroquois and is also seen on a IAV Stryker. In a continuity error, it was seen still loaded but in the next scene, it was missing the ammo. (Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-03T23:01:40Z

Doc345: /* Browning M2HB */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside an Abrams tank.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can also be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT Grimes takes refuge in ,numerous Bell UH-1 Iroquois and is also seen on a IAV Stryker. In a continuity error, it was seen still loaded but in the next scene, it was missing the ammo. (Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch- Doc345)
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-03T22:56:04Z

Doc345: /* Browning M2HB */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
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=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside an Abrams tank.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can also be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT Grimes takes refuge in ,numerous Bell UH-1 Iroquois and is also seen on a IAV Stryker. In a continuity error, it was seen still loaded but in the next scene, it was missing the ammo. (Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch.)
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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[[Category:Zombie]]
[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]