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Talk:Ultimate Force - Season 1

2021-07-06T11:45:00Z

Deathbunny: /* Unknown pistol Flossie has... */ new section

== Split up ==

So someone decided to split up this relatively short series into it's 4 "Seasons"? Is this really necessary? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:56, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:The general idea is it allows the appearances in each season to be covered in more detail with images from that season. Otherwise the images-per-gun limit starts to get in the way of including distinctive appearances. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:07, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::MT2008 told me to split it up so I did. Regardless the original page had 107 different guns so was pretty long. Also the 10 images per gun rule was meaning that for some guns you wouldn't be able to have pictures of all the characters who use it. For example, MP5A3s are used in a dozen or so episodes by over 20 different characters. Apart from the captions I am pretty much finished with seasons 1 and 2, but am still adding in a few more screencaps for 3 and 4. I intend on watching through the whole thing again in the near future looking for more guns/better screencaps. Will also add in the various explosives that turn up (at the least there are claymores, several types of frag grenade, flashbangs, Hellfires and mines). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:41, 5 December 2011 (CST)

== Colt AR-15 Sporter II Carbine ==

I coulda sworn I had another screen cap of this rifle. Was it lost during this reorganization? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:56, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Added it back in. Meant to recapture this shot in DVD quality (somehow I missed it first time through) but apparently never got around to it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:41, 5 December 2011 (CST)

== Unknown pistol Flossie has... ==

I'm working off Youtube video, if someone's got high res, it would be better...

Looks like a Zastava M88 to me, especially about 45m26s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M88

https://www.zastava-arms.rs/en/pistol-m88-m88a/

The muzzle looks right, the front of the trigger is almost vertical like the screen gun, and the slant of the slide rear is right.

The time-frame for the gun is good and the size of the gun in the woman's hand seems about right..

Anyone else with better eyes see this?

Talk:M16 rifle series

2013-01-24T22:26:33Z

Deathbunny: /* Strange M16 upper reciever */

==Screen Used Rifles==
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film ''[[Scarface]]''. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in ''[[Uncommon Valor]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BattleLA M16A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 (5.56x45mm) with ACOG scope, RIS foregrip, Magpul MBUS rear sight, and AN/PEQ-15 IR designator as seen in ''[[Battle: Los Angeles]]'']]
[[Image:Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine..jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine with ACOG scope and PentagonLight MD3R weaponlight, screen-used weapon from ''[[I Am Legend]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[File:Colt Model 607.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:C8A1ELCAN.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C8A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with ELCAN scope. Also known as the "C8FT" (Flat-Top)]]
[[Image:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C8A3 Carbine with EOTech red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Artwork of an M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RRA DEA.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rock River Arms Tactical CAR-A4 Carbine 5.56mm with EOTech sight]]
[[File:Model 633 SMG DOE.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt 9mm SMG DOE (Model 633), shortened variant of the Model 635 produced for the Department Of Energy - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Blackwater AR-15.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Blackwater AR-15 (a.k.a. "BW15") with Magpul PRS stock, Harris bipod and telescope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:ColtCanada C8CQB.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Canada CQB - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:DDM4v1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daniel Defense M4 v1 with DDM4 Rail 12.0 FSP, A1.5 rear sight, Magpul CTR stock, and KAC vertical foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:MGS3XM16E1Real.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Exact copy of the XM16E1 in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. '''Note that this a Toy replica made by a user at the [http://bmedicom.runboard.com/t13028,offset=10 MDEI WORLD] forums and will be replaced as soon as a real XM16E1 in this configuration is found.]]
[[File:M16A1 Wood Furniture.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Custom M16A1 with wooden furniture identical to the one in [[Fallout: New Vegas]] - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:Colt AR15 Match Target Competition HBAR II 6731.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Colt AR15 Match Target HBAR II (Model MT6731) - 5.56x45mm]]

==Airsoft Replicas==
[[File:Tokyo Marui M4 S-System.jpg |thumb|none|600px|Tokyo Marui M4 S-System]]
[[File:WELL M16A3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|WELL M16A3 spring-powered airsoft gun with vertical foregrip, laser sight, and PAQ-4 styled flashlight, as seen in artwork for ''[[Saints Row: The Third]]'']]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG AIRSOFT RIFLE - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 AIRSOFT RIFLE with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
This is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

An airsoft gun and a cap gun aren't the same thing. LOL [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:43, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a significant difference between a true A2 and A3 M16. Externally, they look identical, however the A3 is full auto and the A2 is 3 shot burst. Simply put: A1 and A3 are full auto, A2 and A4 are 3 shot burst. The external differences are what make it a little easier to identify. We all know what an A1, A2, and A4 M16 look like, but the A3 is just an A2 that is full auto. Hope this helps; Its my first time posting. --[[User:Ranger12|Ranger12]] 10:14, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Cadillac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

:::They're probably somewhere in Mexico right now, if you catch my drift. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:39, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.

::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much of that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, is incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?" Hopefully esteemed imfdb members such as MPM2008 will agree with and share my viewpoint concerning this subject, as well as not condemn me for my long comment. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

::::The issues of jamming during the Vietnam War had more to do with ammunition and the lack of a chrome-lined chamber and barrel than the rifle's so-called "dirty" gas system. In 1964 the Army switched from stick powder to ball powder, which increased the rate of fire to over 1,000 RPM and left a lot of dirty residue in the weapon. This was only exacerbated by the lack of cleaning kits and training on how to maintain the weapon. They fixed the issue by fitting the rifle with a buffer system (which slowed the ROF down) and chrome-plated chamber. Training programs in weapon maintenance were instituted and an instruction book on how to maintain the rifle was circulated among troops. After further modifications resulted in the M16A1, many of the reliability issues disappeared (although even today, the weapon has yet to shed its bad reputation). The M16A2, A3, A4, and M4 carbine of today are an entirely different breed of warrior than the prototypes that were issued back in the 60s. While it may admittedly be a bit finicky, the M16 today is a good weapon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:29, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah but it's still a very fussy weapon, it's not very durable, and it has much more malfunctions/jams then say the H&K G36, but none the less it's still a excellent weapons platform, mostly. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

::::: I was always taught that the forward assist, while useful in combat, in situations where dirt or grime can jam a weapon, overall, if you DO need to use it, its a good indication of a malfunction and should be addressed, especially if its at a range. Theres a video somewhere on youtube, of a guy shooting some sort of AR, and repeatedly hits the forward assist, without clearing or checking the bore, until the entire gun explodes, probably from a round hitting one stuck in the bore. -MissySummers- 18:47, 8 January 2012 (CST)

:::::::Are you talking about the video where the magazine blows apart on one guy's AR-15 when he pulls the trigger? If so, I've seen it and while I don't recall exactly what the description said the cause was, I'm pretty sure it was an issue with the ammunition (probably a hot cartridge) rather than the oh-so-pined-upon gas system. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 03:48, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

:::::::::One element to remember when criticising the AR-15's reliability is that when it was first issued in the field, it was touted to not need any maintenance nor be cleaned. Immediately, this was realised to be a mistake, but that initial belief that it never needed cleaning and inevitable memory of fouling sticks around. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 14:20, 14 August 2012 (CDT)
::::::::::No, the AR-15 was ''never'' touted as not needing maintenance or cleaning. The belief that it was is a myth, one of the ''many'' surrounding the weapon system. It was an "educated" assumption made based on previous experiences with the AR-15's predecessor, the AR-10, which ''did'' prove to be quite reliable without maintenance or cleaning (I believe it was the Sudanese who used it in sub-Saharan Africa and gave reviews that were nothing short of glowing). Now whether AR-10s manufactured today share this trait, I don't know. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 06:50, 8 January 2013 (EST)
:::::::::::When soldiers were trained on it they were told it was pretty much self-cleaning, but don't know if this was from Colt of an invention by the US Army. Although there were cleaning kits they were only issued at a rate of something like 2 per platoon, as it was not believed that the weapon would require regular maintenance. When the Marines got it they had no cleaning kits at all. The parts which they were critically short of until the late 60s were the cleaning rods, and chamber brushes. Chamber brushes were not originally issued as the chamber was stated as not requiring specific cleaning, and it wasn't until 1966 after repeated protests from in theatre officers that it was procured. Something else that is worth bearing in mind, is that instructions on how to clean the M16 were not published until (I think) December 1966, so up until this point it was pretty much word of mouth and hearsay leading to a lot of misconceptions (for example a lot of troops were lubricating their ammunition, which was a big no-no leading to a lot of malfunctions with both the magazines and rifles). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:46, 8 January 2013 (EST)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

A couple of months ago when I was at a military base there were Marines conducting a weapons demo with the M4 carbine. It was the 3-round burst rifle, but a question came up about the M4A1. One Marine said that they got rid of all M4A1s and only have M4s. I personally don't see the need for a full-auto rifle and 3-round burst is fine because it forces the user to slow down and most of the time the user uses semi-only, combat or not, but that is my opinion. The M4A1 is still probabley used by the US Military, but I'm not sure, I haven't seen one in a long time.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== About M4 Commando and M16A4 Full Auto ==

Full Auto M16A4 (Model 905) is [http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp Model 901]

[http://www.colt.com/mil/M4Com_2.asp Model 933] ''is'' M4 Commando (Full Auto)

[http://www.colt.com/mil/home.asp Manufacturer's site] says it all.

== Colt Model 653 barrel length ==

Am trying to pin down what a gun is for a page I'm working on. It has a forward assist but no deflector, A1 rear sight, M4 length tubular handguard, 16" barrel with birdcage flash hider and a solid stock. Basically it matches the gun in the picture for the Model 653 on the main page, apart from having a solid stock but that is easily changeable. However, every source I can find about the 653 says that it has a 14" barrel. Was the gun made in different barrel lengths but kept the same designation, and if not, anyone know what the gun is that is pictured as a 653? Also, while I'm on the topic of obscure colt carbines, does anyone know of a model that will match a 725 (original C8 without the flat-top) but has an A2 rear sight? Thanks, --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:16, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

== Can anyone figure out what this is? ==

I found this hidden in my computer, I think it's a Colt Canada C7A1 as a base, I can tell it's C7 because of the Canadian leaf on the the lower receiver, it would be an A1 because of the removable carrying-handle. What the heck is that hand-guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:02, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:Colt Canada C7A1 SPW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C7A1 SPW?]]

:Colt Model 750/Diemaco C7 Light Support Weapon - A modified C7 with an enlarged gas tube (hence the square handguard) and a heavy barrel for sustained fire in the squad automatic weapon role. The C7 LSW is not used by the Canadian Forces but has seen service with the Dutch and Danish militaries. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:34, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

::Ha! I thought so, thanks. :) Should I remove this section or keep it. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

:That's not Colt LSW, that's [http://www.colt.com/mil/CAR.asp Colt Automatic Rifle]. Follow the link and you will see that the image is the larger version of the official one. Meanwhile, [http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm Colt LSW] has optional folding carry handle. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:09, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

::Thanks guys. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:02, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

:Just to clarify, the Colt automatic rifle, LSW and LMG are all the same weapon. The original version that looks like the one above was the Colt Model 750, which featured a fixed A2 carry handle and barrel mounted bi-pod, and the newer version above is the current production Model 950, with the relocated bi-pod and A4 rear sights. As you said, the folding carry handle is removeable, and the picture on the Colt website is just one without it fitted (note the longer centre vent on the top of the handguard is the mounting point for the handle). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:48, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

::The original version was based on M16A1:

::[[File:M16A1 CAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::The one you described was based on M16A2:

::[[File:M16A2 CAR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Guys, remember back in the 1980s when Colt was trying to vie for the SAW role? Sure the FN Minimi was never knocked off its perch, but Colt came out with a Colt light Machine gun that looked a lot like this. They were selling the barreled uppers on the market for a while in the early 1990s (I know a few friends who have them, but I never got one). This looks like that reincarnated!!! LOL![[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:24, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

:Well, that's all written on [http://world.guns.ru/machine/usa/m16-lsw-lmg-e.html Modern Firearms] :P

::Ah yes, you only read about it monkeyboy ;) I was handling and firing that sucker! LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:11, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I've found articles of why AR is more advantageous than SAW to US Marine Corps:

:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-employment-concepts M249 Employment Concepts]
:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-light-machinegun-automatic-rifle-role The M249 Light Machinegun In The Automatic Rifle Role]

:Interesting reading, methinks :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah it was. :) You know, I kinda knew LMGs were dying out. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:07, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

::: Not overall, it's just the role they are being used in (automatic rifleman). SAW is still very good in defensive role and laying fire on attacking forces ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:33, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Heat Dissipation Performance of Carbine Barrel Types? ==

I was wondering, does anyone know what kind of effects the 'cuts' (originally meant for the mounting of the M203 grenade launcher) in the barrel of the M4 and similiarly-styled M16 & AR-15 series carbines has on the heat dissipation performance of the barrel? Do the cuts help the weapon release heat from prolonged firing better than a barrel that has a uniform thickness, or does it hamper that? Any input anyone can provide on this would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:46, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
:The step down for the grenade launcher is actually pretty negligible in terms of cooling (although it does create a point of weakness to bending), as what you can't see is the fact that as soon as the barrel goes under the handguard it is reduced down to the same narrow diameter as in the cut out, which creates a much bigger effect on cooling. The narrower profile sections have the effect of cooling down the barrel quicker, but they also conversely mean that the barrel heats up quicker, and the heat has a larger effect on the accuracy of the gun. The main advantage however is that it reduces the weight quite a bit. The original reason that the M4 barrel reduces in size behind the handguard is based on the M16A2, which does exactly the same thing where its heavy barrel is actually only thicker past the front sight. This was due to a cock up in the design, where they designed the gun with a full thickness straight barrel, and found that they could then no longer clamp the M203 to the barrel, so the barrels were simply turned down from behind the front sight post. The front of the barrel was left thick due to the fact that the thinner barrels on the M16A1 were being bent at the front from being used as pry-bars to get the loading bands off of shipping pallets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:53, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

:There is a heavier "SOCOM-profile" barrel that maintains the same diameter beneath the handguards as the standard M4-profile barrel does around the M203 cut and it can mount the M203 just fine.[http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14SOCOM-2.jpg] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:40, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== can you tell me what model of m16/car 15 this is ==

sorry i do not have a pic but i can tell you what is like. me and my dad were talikng about some of the guns he used in the army and he was telling me about this one he said was like an carbine version of the m16a2 and it was like the m4 but had a fixed carring handle and it was used befor the m4 it had safe semi and burst and he said it just had ar15 on the side.-Steviebleckley

:Sounds like the first batch of M4s that were delivered. This is the Colt Model 777, which is basically an M4 with a fixed carry handle, and 3-round burst as opposed to full auto. It is the brother of and visually identical to the 727 mentioned on the main page, where the 727 as full auto as opposed to the burst. If it didn't have the M4 profile barrel though, god knows. Probably a model 654 on an M16 lower receiver or something. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:02, 13 June 2011 (CDT)

yes it had the same profile as the m4. i gess it was the 777.I will show him the pic of the the 727 since there the same well the 727 is full auto thanks for the info - Steviebleckley

== Question about the buffer tube ==

I'm not one hundred percent sure what it does, and (like the forward assist) that almost no other guns have it. If someone could just clarify, what does it do, why does this rifle series have it, and why don't others/what replaces the buffer tube in other rifles? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 07:27, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
:Basically, it was installed in order to slow down the rate of fire. The very first M16s ended up using a different ammunition powder than they were designed for, which caused a higher rate of fire than desired (about 800 to 1000 rpm I think), leading to excessive fouling in the chamber, and hence lots of stopages. From the M16E1 onwards a buffer tube was added to slow the rate of fire to about 600-700 rpm, and a chrome lined chamber and barrel was added as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:47, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
I'm not sure if this is practical in any way, or even possible, but is their a way to increase the rate of fire on an M16 without the problems of the carbon build-up in the chamber?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)
:Why would you want to increase the rate of fire? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)
No reason, just wondering if it's even possible with a full-auto M16.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 08:09, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:Probably, I see no reason why you couldn't. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm assuming the reason that the high rate of fire caused fouling was that the rate of fire was so quick that the bolt was unlocking and opening before all the powder was fully burnt in the chamber, leaving residue. I'd imagine that you could increase the rate of fire by removing the buffer, and just make sure that whatever powder you were using was fully burnt in the time it takes the bolt to open. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:29, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::That would make sense, since I heard the nightmare version of that was when the gas pressure was still holding the spent case in place while the extractor was trying to eject it, which tended to result in Horrible Things happening to the case while it was still inside the rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

This might be a silly question, but why is it that the AR-15 design required the buffer tube, and other rifles do not? Is it just located differently, and if so why? It just strikes me that the lack of a folding stock option is a poor design, especially when compared to most assault rifles designed today, SCAR, ACR, etc. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 18:57, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm guessing here, but from what I've read it's that the rifle had already been designed, so they had to work inside the box, as it were. The only options were either to make the components of the action a lot heavier so their momentum prevented the weapon cycling too fast (which would rather defy the point of using a lightweight aluminium receiver and suchlike) or add something on to slow it down, which is what they did. Rifles designed since have been designed from the ground up to avoid this kind of problem, so don't need to have a tube attached to a hole in the back of the receiver to fix them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:The buffer tube does two things: 1) contains the buffer and spring and 2) allows the bolt carrier to recoil part of the way into it. The combination means that the AR15-series rifles are functionally a long-recoil design where the bolt does not slam into anything rigid during recoil and stops based on the pressure of the buffer spring. This--in turn--enhances the straight-line recoil and therefore controllability during automatic fire or rapid semi-automatic fire. It also allows the AR15 design to use the rear of the bolt carrier to actuate the automatic sear meaning the probability in this design that you can set a round off with the bolt unlocked during automatic fire is nil. (Look up some of the problems with the "Lightning Link" to get a better idea of why this works the way it does.)

:Other designs often do incorporate additional recoil buffers in the stock, the FN FAL's without folding stocks do this and the plastic-stocked SAW's, but the AR15 design simply trades the ability to fold a stock for enhanced recoil handling... The idea behind the design was to make a weapon where the entire recoil force is in a direct line between your shoulder and the end of the barrel with as little jarring as possible. This is also one reason for the use of a direct gas impingement system and one reason why gas-piston AR's tend to eat the front of the buffer tube and buffer tube area of the lower receiver due to bolt carrier "tilt". The "lateral" forces of the piston tapping the top of the bolt carrier misaligns the bolt carrier off its straight line path and pushes that chunk of steel into the aluminum.

:Oh, and the forward assist is to compensate for not having a rigidly connected bolt handle. (Like someone already mentioned). The reason why is the design is meant to be operated in a manner where you ONLY use the charging handle for initial loading and then unloading at the end (administratively). Every other time, you actuate the bolt using the bolt release on the left side of the weapon... --[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 01:28, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Noob Question ==

Ok I have a really dumb question, what is the difference between the Colt M4A1 and the Colt M4A1 Carbine? Or are they the same exact thing? The only reason I asked is when I was looking at the page, the M4A1 and the M4 Carbine look exactly the same, so how can you tell one from the other? - [[User:1morey]] July 22, 2011 11:21 AM (EST)

: The M4A1 and M4A1 'Carbine' are the same thing, the 'carbine' is just optionally showing the proper firearm type. As for the M4 and M4A1, well it ''does'' say the difference in the section but to answer - the M4 has Safe-Semi-Burst fire selection ala the M16A2/M16A4, the M4A1 has full-automatic instead of burst, ala the earlier M16s/M16A1/M16A3. Otherwise they're pretty much identical appearance wise (The M4A1 also has a heavier barrel inside the handguard, which of course you can't tell from the outside). It also notes some commercial AR-15 carbines are given an 'M4' moniker, but aren't the same as actual military M4s. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:17, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt or not? ==

If a M4 or M16 variant is listed on a page, should it by prefixed by Colt? I've noticed some people doing this but isn't it incorrect as the term M16 is the army designation as opposed to the Colt name (for example the Colt Model 603 for the M16A1). Either way, I would imagine that quite a few M16s or M4s in movies are manufactured by companies other than Colt, and even the US military rifles are not necessarily made by Colt these days. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:43, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:I am curious... if the military M4 and M16 are not made by Colt these days then by whom? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

::There was a stretch in the 1990s when Colt lost the military contract and all the M16s were built by Fabrique Nationale (FN). Though many companies build AR15 platforms, only the company who has the contract with the Dept. of Defense can call the M16 theirs. If there ARE any other manufacturers being represented on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, someone needs to find out. I certainly don't have any contacts who would know information which is THAT current. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:48, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:::FN have stated that “the vast majority of M16A2, A3 and A4 contracts as well as spare parts contracts for these systems since 1989”, and they had a $7 million contract to make M16A4s between 2005 and 2008. Sabre defence also won a contract for a minimum of 4,952 M16A3 and 702 M16A4 rifles in July 2008 for the US navy/Marine corps respectively. Having said that FN also stated: ”...never was FN Manufacturing LLC, or any other small arms manufacturer, awarded M4 contracts. The M4 cannot be competed and always has been awarded sole source to Colt because of licensing rights restricting full and open competition until 2009” although it has stated its intention to bid for M4 contracts past this point. The US government took ownership of the M4 design on the 1st July 2009, so the M4 can now be manufactured for the government by other companies, but I don't know if this has actually been done yet. Regardless, M4 and M16 are government designations, so surely calling a gun a "Colt M4" is incorrect? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:09, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

::::Just checked the United States Army [http://www.army.mil/features/ official website]. It lists [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m4.html M4 Carbine] as being manufactured by Colt and [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m16.html M16 Rifle] by Colt and Fabrique Nationale.
::::Oh, and take a note of M16: ''"The '''M-16A3''' is identical to the M-16A2 but has a removable carrying handle that is mounted on a Picatinny Rail (for better mounting of optics) and is without burst control. The '''M-16A4''' is identical to the M-16A2 except for the removable carrying handle and Picatinny Rail."''
::::United States Marine Corps websites: [http://www.marines.mil/] [http://www.marines.com/] don't mention the current manufacturer for [http://www.marines.com/main/index/winning_battles/gear/weapons_and_equipment/m16 M16 Rifle]. So I am not sure about them. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Just to throw a bit of confusion in here, there are actually a number of different rifles designated as the M16A3 by the US military. The first is the Colt Model 646, also known as the M16A2E3, which was introduced in small numbers at the same time as the M16A2 and is an A2 with an A1 lower. Then you have the flat-top Colt Model 901 which was introduced at the same time as the M16A4 (in 1994 I think) and I'm assuming this is the version that the above page refers to. You also have the Colt Models 941 and 942 which are the HBAR and HBAR LMG models respectively, but I don't know if they are used. Not that any of this really matters as we identify all these guns as A2/A4 anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::Well, that's because armorers don't have access to military M16A3s, so they just slap A2/A4 uppers to A1 lowers (correct?) because what Hollywood film director would want fixed burst firing gun (ignoring the fact that that's what soldiers and marines use) ? Or modify civilian semi-automatic replicas to fully automatic fire. In which case the weapon is to be identified as such. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::::Didn't mean to imply we are doing anything wrong, just that the definition of the A3 models isn't that important as they don't appear. Having said that, the original M16A3/M16A2E3 was just an A2 upper on an A1 lower, so this is actually what a number of movie guns are, but I understand that they are going for a standard A2. Regardless, back to my original question, do we call them Colt or not? My opinion is no obviously, as it seems that some if not the majority of M16s are manufactured by other companies, and there is the future possibility of this with M4, and regardless it is a military designation of a rifle that goes by another Colt name. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:31, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::::My opinion: M4 & M4A1 should remain as Colt. And so should older M16s. Modern M16s (M16A3 & M16A4), since they have ''at least'' 3 official manufacturers (Colt, Fabrique Nationale and Sabre Defence), should go without Colt. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:37, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== How to NOT shoot an M16 rifle! ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh1lyMyejpI] - Seriously, this is either really funny, or just painful to watch... you decide. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 00:19, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

:Wow, that was bad. Glad that guy's alright! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:46, 25 September 2011 (CDT)

::Also, notice how many times the gun clicks and the guy keeps saying it's a "bad primer". And then he keeps hitting the forward assist, pulling on the charging handle (which is seen ejecting the unfired rounds) and hitting the bottom of the magazine even though it's already back in the gun after he kept taking it out and putting it back in prior (Someone else in the video even says 'Jesus [name withheld], you don't know how to load these.' and the shooter responds with 'I didn't load these, [name withheld] did.'). I think that could have been a contribution to the gun exploding in his hands. But then again, I'm not the expert on M16 rifles, I'm only guessing. Anyone else got a better explanation? --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 17:05, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
:::It was the shooter saying that the guy who came to help didn't know how to load them, and then that assisting guy said it was someone else. There is nothing wrong with tapping the magazine even when it appears to be seated correctly, as it makes sure it is all the way into the well. Although he did hit forward assist unnecesarily once or twice, I don't think it would have done any harm or contributed to the kaboom. The file description and all the comments say that this was a squib, and it was all the shooters fault for not identifying it and checking the barrel (there are also quite a few people that seem to think it is possible the load 2 or 3 rounds into the chamber at a time by repeatedly pulling the charging handle, but this is Youtube after all). But I don't think it was, as on the first misfire there was only the click of the hammer, and when he pulled the bolt back a round was ejected which wouldn't have been chambered if the previous "bang" was a squib. I've never fired a round with primer but no powder, but surely there would still be an audible "bang" rather than just the click of the hammer? When exactly did the bullet get stuck in the barrel, or am I missing something? Regardless, I would never use ammo I hadn't loaded myself, particularly not done by a friend of a friend. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:33, 26 September 2011 (CDT)
::::I think it's safe to say that the idea of unintentionally loading 2 or 3 rounds into the chamber of an M16 rifle is an overstatement and pretty much absurd (I've NEVER heard of such a thing happening with the M16 rifles). But one person's explanation in the comments is that when the hammer struck the primers of the "squib" rounds, the 'click' in question was the popping of the primer, which popped with enough force to lodge the bullets into the barrel of the gun, but without the 'bang' sound since the powder of the "squib" rounds were bad. So when the explosion happened, it was because the hammer struck a perfectly fine round, or one with enough charge in it's powder load, and that bullet impacted the other bullets stuck in the barrel, which caused a high-pressure situation ending with the magazine blowing apart, and leaving the M16 rifle damaged (probably for good). Talk about good craftsmanship going to waste! But at least the shooter in the video was not injured in any way. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 05:51, 30 September 2011 (CDT)
:::::I could be wrong as have never done it myself (I am not a moron) but I am fairly sure that a primer going off with no powder in the round makes a louder noise than just a click, which is all that is heard in this video. Anyone know how loud just the primer from a .223 would be? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:05, 30 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::Apparently [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS1K1zJQhOQ this] is a .308 primer. Now bear in mind how far down the audio is turned (as you don't have to wear ear protection when he fires), I can ''kinda'' see that might end up sounding like a click. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:52, 30 September 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Yeah, most of the time all cameras (except for maybe the professional ones used by filmmakers) capture certain sounds differently. It is possible for the primers of "squib" rounds to discharge with enough force to lodge the bullets into the barrel of whatever gun it's fired from (and sometimes it will stay there until the owner disassembles their weapon and removes the lodged bullet), and most of the time, the "popping" sound of the primers sounds like a "click" when captured on a camera similar to the one used in the video of the M16 blowing up in that guy's face. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 00:28, 1 October 2011 (CDT)

:I've seen this video before, looks like the guy was pulling a half-assed SPORTS drill several times while the weapon was malfunctioning on him. But yeah, shooting custom-loaded ammo with no reliable means of quality control is definitely not a good idea, as this video clearly demonstrates. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:52, 4 October 2011 (CDT)

== Not working ==

Why is the M16 page not working. It locks up my computer, and the network wont respond. It takes about 5 to 10 minutes before it will work.[[User:Gunner5|Gunner5]]

:It might be your browser and / or RAM is having trouble with the size of it; this is the largest page on the site. What's the spec of your PC? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:03, 5 October 2011 (CDT)

==Difference between original M16 and M16A2==
I know how to distinguish XM16E1s, M16A1s, and M16A4s from each other, but how are both the M16 and the M16A2 different visually? Both rifles have no forward assist or removable carrying handles and the M16 can also appear with a "birdcage" flash hider. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:34, 6 October 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:M16-SP1-30Mag.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat "slab side receiver") with an A1 "birdcage" Flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]

:I'll try. Also with the caveat that I have to replace the movie M16s on the site. An IMFDB member whom I am eternally grateful for, pointed out that I had A2 lowers on A1 uppers. Though that works, it's also not correct. I have to replace the M16 pics with exact versions of each one, but that will take time. I just point this out to make sure that people know I'm aware of it.

1) M16: original USAF contract in Vietnam and in the U.S. slab side upper and lower, 1st pattern duckbill three prong flash hider, original buttstock with foldable rear sling swivel. Early models had counter-turning screws in stead of pivot pins to attach the upper and lower receiver.

1) XM16E1: 2nd pattern three prong flash hider, Chromed bolt, exposed mag release button (no ribbing) but there is a partial rib for the front pivot detent pin and spring, old M16 style buttstock and rear sling swivel, tear drop forward assist.

2) M16A1: Birdcage Flash hider, Phosphate bolt but chromed chamber, mag release button ribbing to protect against accidental mag dump and full ribbing to the front pivot detent pin and spring, A1 style buttstock with fixed rear sling swivel (with stowaway compartment in the buttplate)

3) M16A2: A2 style flash hider with no holes on the lower part, ring washer instead of lock washer, heavy barrel, round forearm, full ribbing on mag release button and front pivot detent pin and spring, front part of lower receiver is beefier and thicker as well as the rear part near the base of the tube ring. Updated and longer (by about 1") rear buttstock and thicker buttplate, slight finger ledge on the pistol grip about midway down. Adjustable rear sights with elevation control as well as side to side. A2 does NOT have a detachable carry handle.

Hope this helps. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 6 October 2011 (CDT)

:Don't forget that the M16A2 has semi/3-round burst as opposed to semi/full auto in the M16 (though you rarely see this feature used on-screen as most directors feel the full auto looks better than a 3-round burst). [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:15, 6 October 2011 (CDT)
No versions of the M16 has screws rather than push pins at the front of the receiver. The only rifles that have these are the Sporter 1 rifles (which is what all of the pictures on the main page are actually of). The M16s that pre-date the captive push pin (Models 601 and 602) have a large headed push pin that is held in place by a ball detent on the pin itself. Also, the "M16" category can be separated out into 3 different guns which the USAF used seqeuntially in turn. First is the original 601 which has green furniture, original "duckbill" flash hider and triangular charging handle (around 14,500 were made, 8,500 to USAF, 1,000 to the Army for evaluation and the rest to special forces, police, and a number of Asian countries). The 602 is the quintessential slab sided M16, and introduced the updated 3 pronged flash hider, black furniture, the current "T" shaped charging handle. The third "M16" is what is often called the USAF M16 and was the most produced variant, and was the Model 604. Early versions had the M16E1 type partial fence lower, whilst the later versions had the M16A1 full fence lower, and these weapons continued to be used by Air Force until 2001, when all M16s were updated to the A2 standard. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:58, 6 October 2011 (CDT)
::Cool! Thanks [[User:Commando552|commando552]] As I've said before, I pulled movie armory weapons. Very rarely do I get access to actual firearms museums, but then 99% of the full auto guns were probably sporter conversions, since it was much easier to convert a title I to a class III gun prior to 1986. I have a LONG laundry list of photos to update thanks to you guys! ;) But the information helps. Also only in recent months have i realized how many franken guns were built in the 1970s/80s and 90s on the M16 platform. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:24, 21 October 2011 (CDT)

Pics of the different M16s I mentioned above:
[[File:Colt 601.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 601 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:Colt 602.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 602 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:USAF Colt Model 604.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 604 (USAF M16) - 5.56x45mm]]
--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:48, 6 October 2011 (CDT)

== Historical Question ==

Anyone knows why XM177 never dropped the 'X' letter in it? If 'X' usually implies the prototype and testing stage, then why did XM177 have it with both upgrades and use in service, and the jamming M16s in Vietnam didn't? Or some other reasons? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:02, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

:Ignoring the USAF rifles (which got official GAU designations) the US Army only purchased a few thousand XM177s and the kinks were never really ironed out, so it is fair to call it an XM program still. Rifle was still in development stages really when US Army cut the funding due to Vietnam war involvement being scaled back.. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:27, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

::Were the Colt Commandos used in Somalia much more refined versions of XM177 program? If yes, I wonder why they were not put back in official service... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:19, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

:::Do you have a pic of them, not sure what rifles you are talking about. If you are talking about the Model 733, that is not really related to the XM177s. US forces purchased a small number of Model 733s for Special Forces and was called the M16A2 commando, although Colt later offered it as the M4 Commando. Rangers and Delta in Somalia also used both Model 723s (A1 rear sight a straight barrel) and 727s (A2 rear sight with M4 profile barrel) and these weapons were known initially as M16A2 carbines, before morphing into the M4. Till the early 90s there were still some Model 653s (called the M16A1 carbine) and XM177s with the long moderators replaced with birdcages knocking around as well, so there were probably a lot of different guns knocking around Somalia. These guns were not refinements though, they were guns from the 60/70s that were still being used due to the fact that the US Army did not produce a standard issue carbine till the M4. I'm not even gonna mention the franken-guns that would have been used by the USAF special forces at the time. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:08, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

::::Ah, thanks, that explains it. [http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/449652_going_for_a_1993_Somalia_car15_build_and_need_your_help.html Here are the various photos]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:26, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

::::And keep in mind that the Air Force is too concerned with F-22s and F-35s to actually replace the majority of their small arms, so a GUU-5 today can run the gambit from identical in every way to an M4, all the way to a vintage 1960s XM177-style carbine complete with slabside/slickside receiver components. To put it simply, AF carbines are built from a hodgepodge of refurbished spare parts that in a lot of cases are older than the men using them. The only units I know of that have ''actual'' M4s are PJ and STS squadrons. Case in point [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/USAFSecurity.jpg]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 13:50, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

== Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733 ==

Firstly, forgive my ignorance in things regarding the variety of AR-15 models. In the model description it says that it was 'never adopted formally by the US Military, and thus never had an "M" or "XM" designation.' However, in the following section where it lists the movies in which we can find this rifle it is often found as the M653. Can someone more knowledgeable either clear up why there is this discrepancy? Thanks --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 18:34, 23 October 2011 (CDT)

:Editors (and video game developers) often confuse the 'Model', 'M' and 'MK' designations. M653 should be changed to Model 653. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:14, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

::Correct. Model "___" is the official COLT designation and usually comes first. Only when the weapon is adopted as an official front line weapon does it get the "M" designation. And all these minutia of details in the weapons history STILL gives me a headache! ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:01, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

:::So does that mean we need to clean up this section to take all the 'M's away?--[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 08:11, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

::::I've replaced the "M"s with Models --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:22, 24 October 2011 (CDT)

== Colt Model 978 ==

'''I took this from Wikipedia, so it might be wrong.''' A lot of video games like to portray the M4A1 with additional burst mode. I read that the Colt Model 978 (a.k.a. "M4 Carbine Enhanced") is an M4 that features a S-1-3-F trigger group. I wonder how popular this variant was/is and most importantly when was it finalized and released? (if it was ever) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:15, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

:The four position fire selector weapons were adopted by nobody as far as I know, with the exception of Greece who bought the Model 778 (don't know how widespread this was, have just seen a few in some pics), which is basically a Model 727 with the four position selector. You can actually buy parts for a four position selectors, sears and disconnectors from Colt, so guns can be modified to this standard. However, I guarantee you that no guns in games actually have the correct four position selector, as it looks different to the standard one. Can't find any pics right now, but the four position selector is a flat plate with a ridge along the centre that ends in an odd knurled dome, sort of like a citrus juicer.

:I have also heard of US Special Forces having the four posiiton M4A1s (Model 978), but may just be rumors, and if true there are very few of them and certainly not widespread. They could also be modifications to standard M4s. Below is a pic of the side of a Model 738 M4 Commando Enhanced (Model 733 with the four position selector) showing the selector switch design.

:--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:37, 25 October 2011 (CDT)

:[[File:Colt Model 738.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 738 "M4 Commando Enhanced" fire selector.]]

:Which games portray the M4A1 with additional burst mode, for example? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:40, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

::Ghost Recon features the normal A1 and the "M4 SOCOM" which has the bonus burst mode. Same in The Sum of All Fears game (both Tom Clancy games). Cannot think of any other games right now. (Maybe I was a little exaggerating when I wrote "a lot of" since in most games you can't even toggle the rof.) So, according to what commando552 wrote, it is possible that the M4A1 with S-1-3-F group in Ghost Recon was intentional, since you control a (fictional) U.S. special force. (And the correct trigger groups: We (at least I) don't take the selectors into account, since in most games you cannot even see them, or are set to safe while the gun goes all rock&roll.)- [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 07:55, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

:::Well, yeah, the universe of Tom Clancy is the one where the prototypes and ultra rare things come true, including weapons and vehicles, so the presence of AR-15-type firearm with four-position selector switch shouldn't come as surprise ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:48, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

::::Bozitojugg3rn4ut, the selector really should be taken into account, as apart from the receiver markings the selector switch is the only external difference between the regular Colt carbines and the Enhanced version with burst and auto. If it has the regular fire selector and lacks the markings on the receiver, then it is simply and M4 with the wrong fire control group. Is very hard to tell from the Ghost Recon screen shots as there aren't any of the relevant side, but you can just make out that there are only 3 positions marked on the right side of the receiver, making the physical model that of a regular M4/M4A1 rather than an Enhanced M4. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:09, 26 October 2011 (CDT)

Interestingly, this discussion is the first result when one Googles "Colt Model 978". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:05, 19 December 2011 (CST)

== Main Page ==

There are 2 issues:

1) Shouldn't it be called AR-15, since ArmaLite AR-15 is the weapon that started it all?

2) There is at least 1 not-rifle on the page: [[M16 rifle series#Colt 9mm Submachine Gun|Colt 9mm Submachine Gun]]

--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:58, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

:I agree, AR-15 makes much more sense to me. I would call the page "AR-15 Variants", gets rid of the problem that "M16" is only relevant 5 or 6 of the 30 or so guns on the page, and the fact that rifle is not necessarily the correct term for all of them. I'm not sure how the site mechanics work, but would changing the name of the page create a massive problem for the 1000+ pages that link here, or would the redirects sort it all out? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:44, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

::Need to contact admins and ask them about this. I support your version, as more appropriate one. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:17, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

:::Though you are technically correct, M16 is the most widely recognized nomenclature for the weapons that appear in films. Remember that we are not a gun encyclopedia, we are a weapons in MOVIE/TV/et al wiki. Sure, we utilized those rules of starting with the original weapon when it came to more obscure weapons (like grouping the R4s in with the Galils), but really famous weapons have their own pages, weapons that a firmly entrenched with their own identity in the mind of the movie going public. We also did not start a StG-44 page and then branch the AK-47s out from that even though the AKs obviously were a stepchild of the StG-44 Design theory. Very rarely are guns 'presented' as AR-15s in media. In fact many movie goers don't even recognize the term. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:13, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

::::I don't remember many movies where the character says: "Here is my M16!" or where the weapon is listed in closing credits :\
::::The reason for AK-47 not being on the same page as StG-44 is having completely different design. AK-47 was ''inspired'' by StG project, nothing more. There are a lot of weapons that bear a ''resemblance'' to AK-47 or AR-15 but have different design and thus their own page. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:29, 31 October 2011 (CDT)
::::'''P.S.''' Imagine IMFDB consisting of pages: ''"M1911"'', ''"Desert Eagle"'', ''"MP5"'', ''"Garand"'', ''"M14"'', ''"M16"'', ''"AK-47"'', ''"Everything Else"'' :D

::::Now, [http://kingshamus.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/official.jpg THIS] made me laugh xD --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:34, 4 November 2011 (CDT)

== What is the point of the Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Every time I look at it just seems so useless. I mean, why would anyone want what is essentially an M4 that does less damage with less range? Recoil would be lower I presume, but I cant see an M4 having a gigantic amount of recoil. I'm sure someone could help provide me with some insight but at the moment I'm finding it very hard pressed to find a purpose of this thing. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 14:20, 14 December 2011 (CST)
:I imagine it had more to do with some guys at Colt wanting to get in on the 9mm subgun market but not wanting to design an entire new platform to do it with. The 9mm round also gives you less penetration, which is good if, say, you're trying to shoot the guy you're aiming at only rather than him and the three things behind him. This is why the majority of people who actually use it are police or police-like units. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:42, 14 December 2011 (CST)
::The main advantage of it is that it is an SMG with the same ergonomics as an AR-15 platform, which makes training easier. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:27, 14 December 2011 (CST)
:::9mm is much easier to suppress compared to 5.56. But Evil Tim's answer about Colt not wanting to design a whole new SMG is probably the right one.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)

== M4 Scope optics ==

Can someone give me some info on what is the standard scope optic for the military, and what is the best scope optic to use on the M4? i was just curious--Gunner5

:Which military? The M4 is used by a number of them in some capacity. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:53, 19 December 2011 (CST)

U.S. Military.--Gunner5

:The most common, I would think, are the ACOG and Aimpoint RDS, but just about any optic can be used on it. As far as what's the best optic to use, "best" is a relative term and depends on the individual shooter and what he/she prefers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:01, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::Not to mention different optics are more effective in certain situations than others; most ACOGs typically use 4x magnification and are effective for engaging targets at a distance, while red dot sights don't use magnification and are more suited for close-range engagements. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:21, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

== USE WITH S.A.S ==

Why does the S.A.S use the M16A2 as their standard rifle? In Bravo Two Zero (the book), Andy McNab calls the M16A2 a 4x4, and the SA80 a Rolls-Royce. Looking back, the S.A.S have a history of using foreign weapons. Why is this? Do Britain not make good enough weapons? Sure, the only thing we currently make and export are Accuraccy International's (which are the best sniper rifles in the world, and I don't care what anyone else says. It strikes me as strange, though, why the S.A.S use the AW50 and not the AS50 as their heavy-caliber sniper rifle), but why do the S.A.S have to use American weapons? Why not use German?

:"...''have'' to use American weapons?" You have some kind of grudge against American weapons or something? :P In any case, the events of ''Bravo Two Zero'' took place during the first Gulf War, so I really doubt they're still using M16A2s in this age of optics and rail systems. It's my understanding that their ''current'' "standard" long gun is the C8FTHB carbine, which is essentially an M4A1 with a 16" barrel of different profile to that of a standard M4. As to why, well, they use what they ''want'' to use, whether it be British, American, German, whatever. Much like their American counterparts in CAG and DEVGRU, they have the leeway and budget to get a little bit of everything because their mission calls for it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:30, 7 January 2012 (CST)

::The SAS adopted the M16 as a replacement for the 7.62 L1A1 SLR which was the standard British rifle at the time. The SLR was superior in terms of reliability, accuracy and range, but the M16 had a major weight advantage in terms of both the weapon and the ammunition, could mount a grenade launcher, and was capable of automatic fire (so was the SLR, but a match was required to be inserted into the action). One of the reasons they continued to use it after the introduction of the SA80 rifles was due to initial reliability problems, along with the fact that until relatively recently the SA80 culd not use an underbarrel grenade launcher (M16s were also used by other units, such as some Royal Marine units and the Pathfinders). Don't really know the exact reason why the SAS (along with Military Police and Royal Marine close protection along with a few others) use the C8SFW/CQB rather than the SA80 but would imagine it is partially due to the lower weight and the modularity of the SFW (bear in mind that the SA80 didn't have a railed forened until a few years ago and has only just gotten a MIL-STD-1913 on the top for different sights). Unlike the M16s adopted before, the C8 has actually been officially adopted by the MOD as the L119A1 (both the SFW and the CQB share the same designation though). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:17, 7 January 2012 (CST)

:::L119A1 is the official designation for C8 SFW in British SF service. C8 CQB is just its variant. An analogy would be M4A1 (official service) and Colt Commando (unofficial service). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 13:50, 8 January 2012 (CST)
::::The Colt Commando moniker has never been attached to the M4, it's been primarily used to refer to previous A1-pattern carbines like the XM177 series. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:30, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
:::::Colt currently markets the Model 933 as the M4 Commando, and several models have the "M4 Commando" rollmarks on the left side of the lower receiver as well. It is a bit messed up though also being stamped as the "M16A2 Commando" (making no sense as it is a flattop), or simply "M4LE" on law enforcement Commandos. The Commandos in particular demonstrate the practice of cobbling guns together from whatever bits are available. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:44, 13 March 2012 (CDT)
::::::Colt adopted the M4 designation as a marketing ploy, the 11.5" 933 isn't used by the military in any capacity that I know of and not likely to start since those that need shorter barrels already have access to even ''shorter'' 10.3" CQBR URGs and 10.5" Mark 18s, neither of which are M4s since they don't match the physical specs of an M4. Heck, I can pull up a pic of a flat-topped GUU-5/P that to the untrained (or uncaring) eye would be identified as an M4A1, but isn't because it uses a slab-sided pre-A1 lower receiver. A lot of M4A1s in use by SOCOM units also can't technically by Colt naming standards be considered M4s since SOCOM now has 12.5" URGs for use on M4 lowers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:55, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

:::::::Delta Force used the weapon, when it was known as 'M16A2 Commando' (CAR-15 in article), in Somalia.[http://www.guns.com/the-us-special-forces-and-their-guns-and-gear-or-at-least-the-stuff-we-know-about.html] I'd also recommend to get the book "Weapons of Delta Force" by Fred Pushies.
::::::::I already have that book, of which the factual accuracy of it is dubious, and yes, I know they used the Model 727, as it's ''actually'' called. That website you linked to mistakenly refers to the M4 Commando as predating the M4, which at the time of the Battle of Mogadishu hadn't been formally adopted yet (maybe a few Deltas had them and were field testing, at best) and was still known as the XM4. How could there be a Commando version of the M4 before there was even an M4? Not to mention, they show a picture of a short-barreled ACC-M (Advanced Colt Carbine - Monolithic) on their M4 Commamndo page, instead of an actual so-called M4 Commando. M4 is a military designation that Colt adopted as a marketing ploy, just like they did with the Commando nickname when it was coined back in the '60s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:59, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::Force Recon also knows Model 733 as 'Colt Commando'.[http://www.forcerecon.com/strongmenarmed3.htm]
::::::::That website isn't actually linked to the Marine Corps, it's some kind of fan site or unofficial biography or something. At any rate, "Commando" is still a nickname, not an official designation. With the exception of the Air Force, none of the various smatterings of M16-based carbines following the XM177 received any official designation until Colt started developing the XM4 (which was previously nicknamed the "Abu Dhabi Carbine", BTW) in the '80s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 23:59, 27 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Colt do actually give their various rifles "names" for lack of a better word. They were used by Colt in marketing materials and catalogues and can, depending on the specific rifle, be found stamped on the lower receiver. For example the Model 733 was originally marketed as the "M16A2 Commando", and you can find it with either this stamped on the lower, or simply "Colt Commando". Colt did also start marketing 733s as "M4 Commandos" after the M4 was adopted, despite the fact it did not have a flat top rail. These names are not necessarily unique to a single rifle and can be used for multiple model numbers, for example the name "M16A2 Carbine" was used for the Model 723 and 727, as well as the 720 before it was given the XM4 designation.
:::::::In essence, more modern (meaning, without older parts) M4 CQBR and M4 Commando are just that. M4 Carbine with shorter barrel. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:52, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

::::Another reason the SAS don't use the SA80 is because you cannot use it in your left hand and they prefer to be able to use a weapon in both hands as it's better for shooting from behind cover. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:12, 12 February 2012 (CST)

:::"Why not use German?" Aside from the fact that if you say SAS most people with think of "Black Kit" with an MP5, there is still some rumours flying around about them using the 416 and 417. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:30, 13 February 2012 (CST)

::::Probably thrown around by HK's PR department, they sold a ton of MP5s off the back of the SAS using them to break up the Iranian Embassy Siege. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:20, 13 February 2012 (CST)

:::::Using the HK416 might be BS, but British Special Forces do use the HK417. It was bought a few years ago as a DM rifle before the army got the L129A1. It was also more widely tested by the Royal Marines in the role, but was replaced when the L129A1 was adopted. [http://www.eliteukforces.info/images/gallery/uksf/sfsg-multicam-hr.jpg Here] is a photo of an SFSG team, the guy second from the left in the first row has a suppressed HK417. They guy behing may also have one, but can only make out the stock so could be another AR-15 pattern rifle. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:51, 13 February 2012 (CST)
::::::He's got a Minimi Para with a PIP stock like the guy second from the right in the front row; you can see the iron sight against his shirt. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:50, 13 February 2012 (CST)

== Page Title ==

While this page contains many weapons based on the AR-15, shouldn't it be called "AR-15 family of weapons" or something like than rather that just "M16 rifle series"? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 12:36, 15 February 2012 (CST)
:Look 4 topics above this one. If it was up to me I would call it "AR-15 rifle series" or something like that, but MPM2008 made the point that although this would be technically correct the average person coming to site would be much more familiar with the term M16, which is fair enough. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:53, 15 February 2012 (CST)

== Sniper Rifles? ==

How are we defining "Sniper Rifles" for [[:Category:Sniper Rifle]]. It seems to me that all the guns on this page are Assault Rifles. I know that you can certainly convert an M16 to a sniper rifle but all the images seem to be of Assault rifles. Just curious! --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 19:47, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
:The main rifle on here that I would class as a sniper rifle is the Mk 12 SPR but there are also the Vietnam-era M16 sniper variants, the Model 655 and 656. There are also some "target" AR-15s like the Colt Accurized Rifle and the Match Target Competitions that I would probably class as sniper rifles if I had to put them into a category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:21, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Sadly, it seems that Colt has discontinued the Colt Accurized Rifle for the time being. I checked my old link on the [[SWAT 4]] page and it no longer works, nor is the Colt Accurized Rifle anywhere to be found on their product page sections of their website (maybe it just couldn't compete with similar products from other companies?). I was hoping the Colt Accurized Rifle would have been included on this page--I guess that won't be the case now, for how can a firearm be included here on this wiki if it failed to make much of an impact (to the point that it was discontinued) and thus won't be in many pieces of audio-visual media? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 21:57, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
::I missed the Mk 12 SPR. I 100% agree with you on that one, that is DEFINATELY a sniper. Thanks for clarifying! Any change we could could put a definition on the [[:Category:Sniper Rifle]] page like the one that is on the [[:Category:Assault Rifle]] page? --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 20:28, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

::The 655 and 656 were full-auto capable, so I wouldn't exactly lump them in as sniper rifles. Same goes for the Mark 12, if you want to get technical. The Mark 12 grew out of a program to create a SOPMOD upper receiver component that the shooter could switch out with his M4 upper when in need of increased range and accuracy. So in its original form, the SPR was still technically an assault rifle (and as such it's still frequently used in that manner by SOF who switch out uppers on full-auto lowers), it just had a high-magnification scope, and we all know that just sticking a scope on an AR doesn't make it a sniper rifle. It didn't lose its full auto capability until it was type-classified as an individual weapon. Mark 12s in regular grunts' hands would likely be dedicated sniper rifles, but those you see in use by SOF are more than likely just SPR uppers on M4 lowers. There's a similar distinction between Mark 18s (complete type-classified weapon with 10.5" uppers on refurbished M16A1 lowers) and "M4A1 CQBRs" (10.3" uppers on M4 lowers). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:55, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
:::Just because something has full automatic capability doesn't mean it is not a sniper rifle. It is unusual and arguably unnecessary, but as far as I know there is no official definition of what a sniper rifle does and does not have. In my opinion it is a sniper rifle if it is designed for and used in the sniping role. Hell, you can even call small caliber stuff like the Ruger 10/22 a sniper rifle as it has been used as one. For the purposes of this site though, I think the category should be used if the rifle ''appears'' to be a sniper rifle to the average user who might be trying to identify something. In other words, a catch all term for sniper, designated marksman, target and hunting rifles. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:14, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
:I was under the impression that a dedicated sniper rifle had to have (at a minimum) a scope, be chambered in a full-size rifle round (so as to allow for accurate distant shots with high stopping power, a key part of sniping), be ergonomically suited for use while prone (i.e., its magazine must not be so large as to create an obstruction when lying on the ground on your stomach, and preferably have a bipod) and allow for accurate semi-automatic/bolt-action fire (fully-automatic or burst-fire is possible but counter-productive for accurate long-range shots, and such capability is usually reserved for Designated Marksmen who must travel with a squad and still keep some close-quarters firepower if necessary). So something like the VSS Vintorez wouldn't count because its round is short-ranged (up to 400 meters only given its subsonic velocity, so it's more of an accurized "special purpose" assault rifle), while the SVD would, due to its scope, 7.62x54mmR caliber, small magazine size to ensure it doesn't get in the way when used while prone (I'm very confused as to why the Soviets never put a bipod on the SVD, however), and semiautomatic-only nature. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 21:57, 18 March 2012 (CDT)
::As we only have the sniper rifle category here, I would class the VSS Vintorez as such, as it is designed as a suppressed sniper rifle. By virtue of the fact that it is suppressed it uses a lower power shorter range cartridge than a typical sniper rifle, but not all sniping is long range. If you were to use an integrally suppressed [[Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_series#Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_Suppressed|AWS]] with subsonic ammunition the range would be limited like on the Vintorez, but that doesn't mean it is no longer a sniper rifle. In particular, for police and some special forces uses long range is not as important in a sniper rifle as accuracy and other considerations. Like I said before, silenced Ruger 10/22s have been used by special forces for almost silent sniping. Another example would be the Russian SV-99, which is a silent sniper rifle based on a .22LR biathlon rifle. Weapons like these are specialized sniper rifles, but they are still sniper rifles none the less. I'm not sure whether trying to make a fixed definition for a sniper rifle is a good idea, as you will always find exceptions. Not all "sniper rifles" even use telescopic sights, an example being the Barrett M82A2 which uses a 1x red dot sight as it was actually designed for shooting from the shoulder as a low cost anti helicopter weapon. Another rifle that breaks your definition would be the [[BMS Milcam Rifle Series|BMS Snicam]] which is undeniably a sniper rifle, but uses a 5.56mm cartridge from 20/30 round STANAG magazine. Different sniper rifles have wildly different characteristics depending on the specific task they are designed for. The only thing I can say about what should be in the sniper rifle category is if it looks like one, put it in there. This isn't an encyclopaedia, the idea of the categories is to help people identify unknown guns, so if it looks like a sniper rifle that is the category they will be looking in. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:13, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

== About charging handle ==

From [http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/foghorn/ask-foghorn-what-does-a-forward-assist-do/ The Truth About Guns]:

''"Ever since, part of the military’s manual of arms for loading the M16 and its variants includes a mandatory smacking of the charging handle even if it isn’t necessary."''

Is it about racking the charging handle? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:51, 28 March 2012 (CDT)

:That is a mistake, smacking the charging handle does nothing on an AR-15. As it had previously been talking about the introduction of the forward assist (the button on the right rear of the upper receiver), I assume it is meant to say ''"Ever since, part of the military’s manual of arms for loading the M16 and its variants includes a mandatory smacking of the '''forward assist''' even if it isn’t necessary."'' --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:01, 28 March 2012 (CDT)

::Ah, thanks for the explanation. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:50, 28 March 2012 (CDT)

== AKM front sight on an M16? ==

Was just doing a bunch more caps for the [[Bravo Two Zero]] page and came across this:
[[File:Bravo Two Zero (3634).jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
This is the SP1 that is carried by Baz (Ian Curtis) fitted with a CM203 launcher but it looks as if (to me at least) it is fitted with an AKM front sight. Has anyone ever seen anything like this before or know of after-market parts that look like this? This seems like an absolutely random modifications for an armourer to do to a rifle, only thing I can think of would be if the sight on the gun wa damaged during filming so they slapped this on. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:40, 2 April 2012 (CDT)
::The movie was filmed completely in South Africa. Could the SA armorers be using any Vektor rifles disguised as American guns? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
:::I really need to get around to updating the page to show it, but the weapon is a straight SP1 apart from the front sight so it isn't a Vektor. You can actually see the existing M16 gas block, and this looks like the top part of the gas block/sight has been sawed off and an AKM sight welded on. As it switches between a regular SP1 and this one with the cobbled together sight, I'm guessing that the rifle was broken part way during shooting and an AKM sight was the only vaguely suitable spare part they could get their hands on. I've actually taken a bundh of caps for this film bu have forgotten about them till now, will try and add them later to show what I mean. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:44, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

== RAS on M16A4 ==
What is this rail system?
[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
It doesn't appear to be a KAC M5 RAS because it lacks the cut-out in the upper half to accommodate the M203 barrel clamp. If you don't know what I mean, zoom in on the front sight area in this pic and notice how the side rails are shorter than the top and bottom [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/USMC_M16A4_Rifle.JPG]. I've only seen this kind of rail on airsoft M16s. Is the rail in MPM's image above an airsoft replica? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:17, 13 April 2012 (CDT)

:I was having hard time trying to find that specific handguard... While it looks very similar to the KAC's M5, maybe IT IS an airsoft replica, though not 100% sure. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 10:27, 30 May 2012 (CDT)
::Nope it is NOT an airsoft replica. Those rails are REAL and damned heavy as well. :D I think on this particular gun it had an aftermarket rail system. Not all guns on screen have KAC Rails. I will hunt down the rifle and take more detailed pics of the rails. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:15, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

== "M4 Commando" ==

Both Model 933 and Mk 18 Mod 0 sections mention that the M4 Commando is not an official designations. I don't really understand this, as that is how Colt calls it on their webpage. [http://www.colt.com/ColtMilitary/Products/ColtM4CommandoR0923CQB.aspx]- [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 11:07, 12 May 2012 (CDT)
:About the Model 933, when they were first offered I'm not sure if they were marketed as "M4 Commandos" but they definitely are now. In fact, they even have "M4 Commando" stamped on the magazine well. The Mk 18 is a different kettle of fish, as that is not an "official" colt model and is just put on whatever lower receiver. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:37, 12 May 2012 (CDT)

== Question ==
Why isn't the M16A3 listed on here and just about every other site.Just wanted to know?Is that its an unofficial variant or is it just a M16A2 that fires full-auto?--[[User:DJsputnik|DJsputnik]] 00:50, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

:It's just an M16A2 with full-auto in place of burst. Almost all "M16A2s" in movies are essentially M16A3s since they're A2 uppers on older A1 or SP1 full-auto lowers. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:57, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
::Let's not forget that it can be flat-top also. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:05, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
:::I'm noy sure if the full auto version of the A2 that people call the A3 was ever actually officially designated as the A3, but for clarity I tend to call it the Model 646 or M16A2E3 (which was its official name). I save the M16A3 name for the full auto version of the M16A4, the Model 901, whih is currently officially designated by the US as the M16A3. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:26, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Defense Industry Daily disagrees. [http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m-16-rifle-purchases-04517/] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:46, 24 June 2012 (CDT)
:::::The rifle that the DID article is referring to is the later Model 901. They may refer to it as a full auto version of the A2, but they also talk about the order from FN in 2007 for new A3s and A4s, which were definitely both using the flat top receiver. The flat top A3 was developed in the 90s with the A4, so rifles built in 2007 would not be to the old spec. That article is either unclear and is referring to two different models, or it is a typo (or just wrong) about referring to the "A3" they are talking about as being a full auto A2. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:08, 24 June 2012 (CDT)

== Anyone recognise this variant? ==

I just came across this rifle on the ''[[Strike Back - Season 1]]'' page where it is listed as an M4A1:
[[File:Strikeback-M4-1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
However, it isn't a Colt rifle as the flat top rail is higher than on a normal AR-15 pattern gun. Also, it has an A1 forward assist plunger, A1 lower receiver (although I imagine this is a replacement to allow full auto) and a non Colt stock (curved in front of the locking bolt as opposed to vertical, several companies like Tapco make their stocks like this). I've read somewhere on here (a ''[[Stargate]]'' page probably) that Olympic Arms flat top rifles have a higher scope rail compared to other AR-15s, is this one of them? I know bugger all about Olympic Arms rifles and can't seem to find many pictures of them, but all the ones I can find show them with a standard height rail, kind of like I can never find a picture of one with the "Stowaway" pistol grip that the ''[[Stargate]]'' pages also state that they have. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:25, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

:Doesn't look too different from a standard M4 carbine to me. The telescoping stock isn't much of an identifier as to the model of the weapon; the standard stock can be easily swapped out for third-party aftermarket stocks (in fact you'll note that there are images of the M4 with both four and six-position stocks on this site). As for the forward assist button, it can be swapped out just as easily as the stock. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:11, 11 July 2012 (CDT)
::The forward assist and stock are secondary, they just add to the likelihood of it not being a Colt gun. Another thing that is easily replaceable but just adds to the whole weirdness of this gun in that fact that it has an A1 rather than A2 flash hider. The main thing is the scope rail. It is higher than on a standard AR-15 pattern gun made by Colt, or the majority of other manufacturers. The easy place to see this is at the rear above the charging handle, where the receiver above the charging handle slot is about twice the thickness. I've just noticed as well that the brass deflector looks odd, the top edge of it slopes upwards and goes higher up the weapon. This is definitely a live fire gun as they are used throughout the series firing blanks, but it is definitely not a Colt M4. Was hoping someone would be able to recognise the profile of the upper receiver, as that is the unique part which makes this gun unidentifiable. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:03, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

::I am the one who wrote that comment about Olympic Arms flattop receivers on the ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'' page, and several other pages. If you want a better example of what the earliest OlyArms flattop rifles looked like, check out the pics of the K23B Stubby which is used by [[Gary Sinise]] in ''[[Reindeer Games]]''. My understanding (and I asked about this on the OA message board) is that OlyArms' first flattop receivers were a bit taller (by about .25") than the current mil-spec standard seen on the M4/M16A4, and had a rail that was copied from the Colt ACR (which looks very different from the Picatinny rail). This style receiver was only produced for a short time before Oly started making their flattop ARs with the same type of receiver that Colt had introduced on the M4.

::As for the M4 in ''[[Strike Back - Season 1|Strike Back]]'', I agree with you that the flattop receiver is clearly taller than that of a mil-spec M4, but unlike early OlyArms flattops, it appears to have the Picatinny rail. So unless Oly manufactured tall flattops that had Picatinny rails (and I have no idea if they did), that upper is probably from some other manufacturer. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:44, 11 July 2012 (CDT)

== M16 and SP1 sections ==

As it is impossible to tell an original Model 602 M16 from a Model R6000 Sporter without seeing a detailed view of the front receiver pin (the M16 has a flat push pin whereas the SP1 has a screw headed pin) should they have separate sections? Furthermore from what I can tell the vast majority of the weapons listed in the M16 section are SP1s, as are all the images in that section. I would sugest merging the SP1 section into the M16 section and making a note of the fact that the vast majority of "M16s" in film/TV are actually SP1s. Also, I think the M16/M203 and M4/M203 sections should be merged into the main weapon sections as firstly (in the case of M16s) it doesn't distinguish by variant, and secondly most of the time an M203 is attached to a weapon people just list it under the notes section rather than putting it in these sections. Thoughts anyone? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:43, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

== 50-round mags ==

Every time a video game includes a M16 or M4 with 50-round magazines it is listed as an incorrect capacity, why? According to some research, the M16 rifle series use STANAG magazines, which include the 50-round capacity, so why would a 50-round M16 be unrealistic? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 03:03, 8 August 2012 (CDT) ''(I previously forgot to sign my post, so here it is)''
:I've never heard of a 50-round STANAG magazine, I thought they only came in 20 and 30 rounds. And please sign your posts. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:14, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
Some companies do make quad stack 50 round magazine, Surefire for example. However, these magazine look different to a regular 30 rounder widening outside of the magazine well to double thickness. If the gun is modelled with a 30 round mag and has a capacity of 50 then it is incorrect, just as a gun modelled with a 20 round mag holding 30 rounds is incorrect. To the best of my knowledge no game has featured quad stack AR-15 magazines yet, so any game where the weapon holds 50 rounds is wrong. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:31, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::Edit: My mistake, Surefire mags only come in 60 or 100 rounds, not 50. Think there are still 50 round ones out there, Magpul have files a patent for a 50 round version of the PMAG. Come to think of it, I really don't know why surefire didn't make the mags 50 rounders, as then the length would be about the same as a 30 rounder making it less obtrusive and more compatible with existing vests and pouches, but whatever. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:13, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
:I can't find anything on Google about 50-round STANAG mags. Maybe the OP could enlighten us? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:49, 7 August 2012 (CDT)
::On the Wikipedia page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_Magazine STANAG magazine] it says that there are 40, 50 and 90-round magazines (in addition of the usual 20, 30 and 100), which drew my attention on the 50-round mag --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] 03:03, 8 August 2012 (CDT)
Wikipedia sucks as a source of information. STANAG Magazines are designed to fit into an M16 magazine well. STANAG magazines are supost to be 30 rounds. 5,10,20,40,50, 60,90,100 round magazines are not STANAG magazines although they will fit into a STANAG magazine well. There was a 50 round magazine made durring vietnam and it was proven unreliable and removed from service as fast as it was designed and built. Thus ever 50 round magazine in videogames is erronious. Standard magazine capacity for a M16 is a 30 round STANAG magazine.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 15:10, 14 August 2012 (CDT)
:Yeah, ''that'' wiki is a terrible source of info, according to someone on ''this'' wiki. I'm sure I can produce someone on ''another'' wiki that claims ''this'' wiki is also a terrible source of info. Calling the kettle black there, don't you think, Rock? ;) [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 05:56, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
::Also, I don't think you are actually totally right in saying that STANAG mags are 30 round only. First off, as STANAG 4179 was never ratified there is no actual standard in the first place, just a proposed standard that some countries have chosen to adhere to. Every time something says "STANAG compliant" it should technically say "draft STANAG compliant" when talking about magazine dimensions. Further more, the proposal was only a dimensional standard for the top of the magazine not for the capacity, so any size of magazine would be draft STANAG compliant. Using the widely used term "STANAG magazine" can be kind of confusing as it implies that there is one single magazine that was '''the''' STANAG magazine, rather than the actual case where it is just a standard that a magazine can meet. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:09, 25 October 2012 (EDT)
[[File:Navyseal50round.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Navy SEAL with 50 round STANAG Magazine]]
Is this the 50-round STANAG magazine that was proven unreliable during Vietnam? --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 07:22, 10 November 2012 (EST)
:Can't see all of it, but it looks like it. I have a very clear, full-body picture of the 40-round mag also tested during Vietnam and this looks longer than that one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 21:30, 22 November 2012 (EST)

== Strange M16 upper reciever ==

I was reading the Irish Sun newspaper and I seen an article where the Mexican police captured a big time cartel lad. There was a photo of 2 policemen in SWAT uniforms hold the suspect for the cameras and they had some m16 looking guns on slings with a strange upper reciever: It looked like the forward assist was integrated into the brass deflector. It was the 4th September edition if someone wants to have a look at it. I was looking for it on the interweb and I could'nt find anything like it?? Anyone ever seen anything like this? [[User:EoghanG93|EoghanG93]] ([[User talk:EoghanG93|talk]]) 15:38, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:is [http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/9/5/worldupdates/2012-09-05T020017Z_1_DEE88401N_RTROPTT_0_MEXICO-CARTEL-DETENTION&sec=Worldupdates this] the story you are talking about ([http://static.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2012/09/05/1346797246956_738.jpg higher res])? If so the brass deflectors and forward assists look normal to me (think they are [[Colt Model 727]]s). if this is a different story, the only thing that i can think of that has the two sort of combined is the [http://www.vltor.com/mur.htm Vltor MUR], which is used on the [[Noveske Rifleworks rifle series]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:49, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
Ah no that wasn't it lad. It was just like a regular brass deflector but with a button (like the forward assists button) on the back of the deflector. It could have been some custom job ?? [[User:EoghanG93|EoghanG93]] ([[User talk:EoghanG93|talk]]) 04:23, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
:If it was a .308 could have been a DPMS rifle, they combine the deflector and forward assist on some of their uppers such as [http://www.dpmsinc.com/COMPACT-HUNTER_ep_151-1.html this] one. There might be other companies that do this but this is the one that springs to mind. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:50, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
::Way late to the discussion. Those look like normal A2 uppers except the wear pattern on the guns is odd. Most of the gun is a nice, dark black, but the high points--including the "tip" of the deflector--are worn through the finish to the metal. It's an odd look probably because that wear pattern is only on the high points and probably from regular, everyday carry without much else wear and tear. So, casing, uncasing, and rubbing against uniforms instead of firing. Download the picture, put it in a photo editor and crank the brightness up to see what I mean. --[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] ([[User talk:Deathbunny|talk]]) 17:26, 24 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Sahara (1995)

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[[Image:Sahara95_poster.jpg|thumb|right|301px|''Sahara'' (1995)]]

''Sahara'' (aka ''Desert Storm'') is the 1995 remake of [[Sahara (1943)|the 1943 classic WWII film]] starring [[Humphrey Bogart]]. Directed by [[:Category:Brian Trenchard-Smith|Brian Trenchard-Smith]], the film features [[James Belushi]] in the Bogart role.

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Sahara'':'''
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==M1928A1 Thompson==
[[M1928A1 Thompson]] submachine guns are used by Master Sergeant Gunn ([[James Belushi]]), Jimmy ([[Mark Lee]]), Waco ([[Paul Empson]]) and Bates ([[Alan David Lee]]). M/Sgt. Gunn and Bates use them until they run dry, Jimmy gets shot by German soldiers while firing it, and Waco never fires his.
[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30 round magazine - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:thompson-s.jpg|400px|thumb|none|M/Sgt. Gunn fires his M1928A1 Thompson at German soldiers.]]
[[image:thompson1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Waco holds his M1928A1 Thompson and Jimmy has his slung over his back. An MG42 is seen mounted on a German half-track.]]

==Browning M1919A4==
Dismounted from the tank, a [[Browning M1919A4]] contributed a lot in the fight against the Germans. While mostly used by Tambul ([[Robert Wisdom]]), it is later used by M/Sgt. Gunn. M/Sgt. Gunn ([[James Belushi]]) uses it in its antiaircraft role mounted on the turret to shoot down a German Aircraft at the beginning of the film.
[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919A4 on M2 tripod - .30-06.]]
[[image:mp40-bt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919A4 is seen in front of Sergeant-Major Tambul.]]
[[image:m1919-b.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M/Sgt. Gunn fires the Browning M1919A4 while Bates fires the Bren.]]

==Bren Light Machine Gun==
[[Bren| Bren Light Machine Gun]] is carried by two British soldiers—Casey ([[William Upjohn]]) and William ([[Simon Westaway]])—who use them against German soldiers. After they die, one of the Brens is used by Bates ([[Alan David Lee]]) to repel the second German attack. The [[Bren]] was the British army's main light machine gun in WW2.
[[Image:Bren gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Bren Mk I Light Machine Gun - .303 British.]]
[[image:bren-lmg-s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Casey fires the Bren at German soldiers in the first attack.]]
[[image:m1919-b.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M/Sgt. Gunn fires the Browning M1919A4 while Bates fires the Bren.]]
[[image:bren-lmg-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bates with a Bren.]]

==Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III SMLE==
LeRoux ([[Michael Massee]]) and Sergeant-Major Tambul ([[Robert Wisdom]]) carry [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III SMLE]]s as their primary weapon fitted with bayonets. LeRoux uses the rifle during both German attacks while Sergeant-Major Tambul never fires his. At the beginning of the film, a young British soldier named Mike Clarkson ([[Todd MacDonald]]) also had a Lee Enfield rifle but he died before he could use it.
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British.]]
[[image:le-b.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sergeant-Major Tambul seen on the U.S. M3 Lee tank while holding Lee Enfield.]]

==Karabiner 98k==
[[Karabiner 98k]] was standard rifle of German army during World War II, known to be Hitler's favorite rifle. Many German soldiers used this rifle to attack the Allied soldiers during both attacks in this film.
[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]
[[image:kar98k.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German soldiers attack the Allies soldiers with their Karabiner 98ks.]]

==Karabiner 98k Sniper Rifle==
[[Karabiner 98k| Karabiner 98k Sniper Rifle]] is used by the German sniper. He killed LeRoux ([[Michael Massee]]) and Williams ([[Simon Westaway]]) with this rifle.
[[Image:tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Karabiner 98k with Zeiss ZF42 scope and hooded front sight - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]

==MP40==
Many of the German soldiers carry [[MP40]]s along with [[Karabiner 98k]]s. Some of the Allied soldiers—Bates ([[Alan David Lee]]), Sergeant-Major Tambul ([[Robert Wisdom]]), Waco ([[Paul Empson]])—also use captured MP40s against German soldiers when their original weapons run dry. Most notably M/Sgt. Gunn ([[James Belushi]]) is seen using one at the end of the film and in the movie poster.
[[Image:MP40Side.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 Submachine Gun - 9x19mm.]]
[[image:mp40-s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German soldier fires his MP40 at the Allied soldiers.]]
[[image:mp40-bt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Bates and Sergeant-Major Tambul brandishing their captured MP40s.]]
[[image:bren-lmg-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Waco is seen aiming an MP40 at the German sniper who killed LeRoux, but didn't fire.]]

==MG15==
[[MG15 machine gun]] is seen firing at Allied soldiers and the M3 Lee Tank mounted on the German Aircraft at the beginning of the film.
[[Image:MG15.jpg|thumb|none|350px|MG15 machine gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]

==MG34==
The [[MG34]] is used by German soldiers during both infantry attacks in the film. Near the end of the film, Bates ([[Alan David Lee]]) is seen holding this gun but doesn't fire it.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG34 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]
[[image:mg34.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German soldier is shot by LeRoux while holding the MG34.]]

==MG42==
An [[MG42]] is seen mounted on German half-track. Later Captain Halliday ([[Jerome Ehlers]]) uses this gun against German infantry. German soldiers also use it along with the [[MG34]]s used during both attacks.
[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser.]]
[[image:Mg42-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German soldier fires the MG42 at Allies soldiers.]]
[[image:Mg42-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Captain Halliday fires the MG42 at German soldiers in first attack.]]

==Colt M1911A1==
Master Sergeant Gunn carries a [[Colt M1911A1]] as his sidearm throughout the film, but he never fires it.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[image:ColtM1911a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M/Sgt. Gunn pulls his Colt M1911A1 on German pilot.]]

==Luger P08==
[[Luger P08]] is the German pilot's sidearm which is surrendered to M/Sgt. Gunn ([[James Belushi]]) after he is shot down. This gun is never fired in the film.
[[Image:LugerP08Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm.]]
[[image:luger-s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|German pilot draws his Luger P08 on Allies soldiers.]]

==Walther P38==
[[Walther P38]] is the sidearm of Major Von Falken ([[Alexander Petersons]]), the German commanding officer. He uses it to execute the soldier who gave up Gunn's information about the German forces. Later, LeRoux seizes it after stabbing Major Von Falken and shoots the German soldier accompanying the officer to the negotiations. Unfortunately, LeRoux ([[Michael Massee]]) is killed by a German sniper while he running.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 - 9x19mm.]]
[[image:waltherp38-s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Major Von Falken shoots the proclaimed traitor with his Walther P38.]]

==Beretta M1934==
German pilot also carries a [[Beretta M1934]] in his boot. It is taken taken by M/Sgt. Gunn ([[James Belushi]]) after Tambul finds it while doing a "thorough search". It is never fired throughout the film.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP.]]

==Webley Mk IV==
Captain Halliday ([[Jerome Ehlers]]) carries one [[Webley Mk IV]] as his main sidearm throughout the film with the appropriate lanyard fitted, but never fires it.
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk IV - .38 S&W.]]
[[image:ColtM1911a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Captain Halliday pulls his Webley Mk IV on German pilot.]]

==Model 24 Stielhandgranate==
[[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]] is the standard grenade of the German Army in World War II and in this film. They use it during both attacks.
[[Image:24-43 grenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Model 24 Stick Grenade.]]
[[image:granate.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Williams grabs one grenade to throw German soldiers in first attack.]]

==Model 39 Eihandgranate==
[[Model 39 Eihandgranate]] is used by German soldiers along with [[Model 24 Stielhandgranate]]s during both attacks. Allies also use this grenade to against German soldiers, most notably Bates ([[Alan David Lee]]) and LeRoux ([[Michael Massee]]).
[[Image:M39 Eihandgranate.JPG|thumb|none|200px|Model 39 Egg Grenade.]]

==GrW Mortar==
In the second attack of German army, German mortar teams use this mortar to support German Infantryman.
[[Image:8cm-granatwerfer-34.jpg|thumb|none|150px|Granatwerfer 34 (GrW 34) Mortar.]]

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:BattleLA M16A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope, RIS foregrip, Magpul MBUS rear right, and AN/PEQ-15 IR designator as seen in ''[[Battle: Los Angeles]]'']]
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in ''[[Uncommon Valor]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film ''[[Scarface]]''. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine..jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine with ACOG scope and PentagonLight MD3R weaponlight, screen-used weapon from ''[[I Am Legend]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C8A3 Carbine with EOTech red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

An airsoft gun and a cap gun aren't the same thing. LOL [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:43, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.

::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much of that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, is incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?" Hopefully esteemed imfdb members such as MPM2008 will agree with and share my viewpoint concerning this subject, as well as not condemn me for my long comment. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

::::The issues of jamming during the Vietnam War had more to do with ammunition and the lack of a chrome-lined chamber and barrel than the rifle's so-called "dirty" gas system. In 1964 the Army switched from stick powder to ball powder, which increased the rate of fire to over 1,000 RPM and left a lot of dirty residue in the weapon. This was only exacerbated by the lack of cleaning kits and training on how to maintain the weapon. They fixed the issue by fitting the rifle with a buffer system (which slowed the ROF down) and chrome-plated chamber. Training programs in weapon maintenance were instituted and an instruction book on how to maintain the rifle was circulated among troops. After further modifications resulted in the M16A1, many of the reliability issues disappeared (although even today, the weapon has yet to shed its bad reputation). The M16A2, A3, A4, and M4 carbine of today are an entirely different breed of warrior than the prototypes that were issued back in the 60s. While it may admittedly be a bit finicky, the M16 today is a good weapon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:29, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah but it's still a very fussy weapon, it's not very durable, and it has much more malfunctions/jams then say the H&K G36, but none the less it's still a excellent weapons platform, mostly. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

A couple of months ago when I was at a military base there were Marines conducting a weapons demo with the M4 carbine. It was the 3-round burst rifle, but a question came up about the M4A1. One Marine said that they got rid of all M4A1s and only have M4s. I personally don't see the need for a full-auto rifle and 3-round burst is fine because it forces the user to slow down and most of the time the user uses semi-only, combat or not, but that is my opinion. The M4A1 is still probabley used by the US Military, but I'm not sure, I haven't seen one in a long time.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== About M4 Commando and M16A4 Full Auto ==

Full Auto M16A4 (Model 905) is [http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp Model 901]

[http://www.colt.com/mil/M4Com_2.asp Model 933] ''is'' M4 Commando (Full Auto)

[http://www.colt.com/mil/home.asp Manufacturer's site] says it all.

== Colt Model 653 barrel length ==

Am trying to pin down what a gun is for a page I'm working on. It has a forward assist but no deflector, A1 rear sight, M4 length tubular handguard, 16" barrel with birdcage flash hider and a solid stock. Basically it matches the gun in the picture for the Model 653 on the main page, apart from having a solid stock but that is easily changeable. However, every source I can find about the 653 says that it has a 14" barrel. Was the gun made in different barrel lengths but kept the same designation, and if not, anyone know what the gun is that is pictured as a 653? Also, while I'm on the topic of obscure colt carbines, does anyone know of a model that will match a 725 (original C8 without the flat-top) but has an A2 rear sight? Thanks, --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:16, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

== Can anyone figure out what this is? ==

I found this hidden in my computer, I think it's a Colt Canada C7A1 as a base, I can tell it's C7 because of the Canadian leaf on the the lower receiver, it would be an A1 because of the removable carrying-handle. What the heck is that hand-guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:02, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:Colt Canada C7A1 SPW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C7A1 SPW?]]

::Colt Model 750/Diemaco C7 Light Support Weapon - A modified C7 with an enlarged gas tube (hence the square handguard) and a heavy barrel for sustained fire in the squad automatic weapon role. The C7 LSW is not used by the Canadian Forces but has seen service with the Dutch and Danish militaries. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:34, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Ha! I thought so, thanks. :) Should I remove this section or keep it. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

::That's not Colt LSW, that's [http://www.colt.com/mil/CAR.asp Colt Automatic Rifle]. Follow the link and you will see that the image is the larger version of the official one. Meanwhile, [http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm Colt LSW] has optional folding carry handle. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:09, 29 April 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Lsw-annot.jpg]]
:::Thanks guys. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:02, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

::Just to clarify, the Colt automatic rifle, LSW and LMG are all the same weapon. The original version that looks like the one above was the Colt Model 750, which featured a fixed A2 carry handle and barrel mounted bi-pod, and the newer version above is the current production Model 950, with the relocated bi-pod and A4 rear sights. As you said, the folding carry handle is removeable, and the picture on the Colt website is just one without it fitted (note the longer centre vent on the top of the handguard is the mounting point for the handle). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:48, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:::The original version was based on M16A1:

[[File:M16A1 CAR.jpg]]

:::The one you described was based on M16A2:

[[File:M16A2 CAR.jpg]]

Guys, remember back in the 1980s when Colt was trying to vie for the SAW role? Sure the FN Minimi was never knocked off its perch, but Colt came out with a Colt light Machine gun that looked a lot like this. They were selling the barreled uppers on the market for a while in the early 1990s (I know a few friends who have them, but I never got one). This looks like that reincarnated!!! LOL![[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:24, 29 April 2011 (CDT)
:Well, that's all written on [http://world.guns.ru/machine/usa/m16-lsw-lmg-e.html Modern Firearms] :P

::Ah yes, you only read about it monkeyboy ;) I was handling and firing that sucker! LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:11, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I've found articles of why AR is more advantageous than SAW to US Marine Corps:

:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-employment-concepts M249 Employment Concepts]
:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-light-machinegun-automatic-rifle-role The M249 Light Machinegun In The Automatic Rifle Role]

: Interesting reading, methinks :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 30 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah it was. :) You know, I kinda knew LMGs were dying out. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:07, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
::: Not overall, it's just the role they are being used in (automatic rifleman). SAW is still very good in defensive role and laying fire on attacking forces ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:33, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Heat Dissipation Performance of Carbine Barrel Types? ==

I was wondering, does anyone know what kind of effects the 'cuts' (originally meant for the mounting of the M203 grenade launcher) in the barrel of the M4 and similiarly-styled M16 & AR-15 series carbines has on the heat dissipation performance of the barrel? Do the cuts help the weapon release heat from prolonged firing better than a barrel that has a uniform thickness, or does it hamper that? Any input anyone can provide on this would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:46, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
:The step down for the grenade launcher is actually pretty negligible in terms of cooling (although it does create a point of weakness to bending), as what you can't see is the fact that as soon as the barrel goes under the handguard it is reduced down to the same narrow diameter as in the cut out, which creates a much bigger effect on cooling. The narrower profile sections have the effect of cooling down the barrel quicker, but they also conversely mean that the barrel heats up quicker, and the heat has a larger effect on the accuracy of the gun. The main advantage however is that it reduces the weight quite a bit. The original reason that the M4 barrel reduces in size behind the handguard is based on the M16A2, which does exactly the same thing where its heavy barrel is actually only thicker past the front sight. This was due to a cock up in the design, where they designed the gun with a full thickness straight barrel, and found that they could then no longer clamp the M203 to the barrel, so the barrels were simply turned down from behind the front sight post. The front of the barrel was left thick due to the fact that the thinner barrels on the M16A1 were being bent at the front from being used as pry-bars to get the loading bands off of shipping pallets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:53, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

:There is a heavier "SOCOM-profile" barrel that maintains the same diameter beneath the handguards as the standard M4-profile barrel does around the M203 cut and it can mount the M203 just fine.[http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14SOCOM-2.jpg] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:40, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== can you tell me what model of m16/car 15 this is ==

sorry i do not have a pic but i can tell you what is like. me and my dad were talikng about some of the guns he used in the army and he was telling me about this one he said was like an carbine version of the m16a2 and it was like the m4 but had a fixed carring handle and it was used befor the m4 it had safe semi and burst and he said it just had ar15 on the side.-Steviebleckley

:Sounds like the first batch of M4s that were delivered. This is the Colt Model 777, which is basically an M4 with a fixed carry handle, and 3-round burst as opposed to full auto. It is the brother of and visually identical to the 727 mentioned on the main page, where the 727 as full auto as opposed to the burst. If it didn't have the M4 profile barrel though, god knows. Probably a model 654 on an M16 lower receiver or something. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:02, 13 June 2011 (CDT)

yes it had the same profile as the m4. i gess it was the 777.I will show him the pic of the the 727 since there the same well the 727 is full auto thanks for the info - Steviebleckley

== Question about the buffer tube ==

I'm not one hundred percent sure what it does, and (like the forward assist) that almost no other guns have it. If someone could just clarify, what does it do, why does this rifle series have it, and why don't others/what replaces the buffer tube in other rifles? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 07:27, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
:Basically, it was installed in order to slow down the rate of fire. The very first M16s ended up using a different ammunition powder than they were designed for, which caused a higher rate of fire than desired (about 800 to 1000 rpm I think), leading to excessive fouling in the chamber, and hence lots of stopages. From the M16E1 onwards a buffer tube was added to slow the rate of fire to about 600-700 rpm, and a chrome lined chamber and barrel was added as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:47, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
I'm not sure if this is practical in any way, or even possible, but is their a way to increase the rate of fire on an M16 without the problems of the carbon build-up in the chamber?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)
:Why would you want to increase the rate of fire? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)
No reason, just wondering if it's even possible with a full-auto M16.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 08:09, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:Probably, I see no reason why you couldn't. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm assuming the reason that the high rate of fire caused fouling was that the rate of fire was so quick that the bolt was unlocking and opening before all the powder was fully burnt in the chamber, leaving residue. I'd imagine that you could increase the rate of fire by removing the buffer, and just make sure that whatever powder you were using was fully burnt in the time it takes the bolt to open. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:29, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::That would make sense, since I heard the nightmare version of that was when the gas pressure was still holding the spent case in place while the extractor was trying to eject it, which tended to result in Horrible Things happening to the case while it was still inside the rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

This might be a silly question, but why is it that the AR-15 design required the buffer tube, and other rifles do not? Is it just located differently, and if so why? It just strikes me that the lack of a folding stock option is a poor design, especially when compared to most assault rifles designed today, SCAR, ACR, etc. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 18:57, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm guessing here, but from what I've read it's that the rifle had already been designed, so they had to work inside the box, as it were. The only options were either to make the components of the action a lot heavier so their momentum prevented the weapon cycling too fast (which would rather defy the point of using a lightweight aluminium receiver and suchlike) or add something on to slow it down, which is what they did. Rifles designed since have been designed from the ground up to avoid this kind of problem, so don't need to have a tube attached to a hole in the back of the receiver to fix them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:The buffer tube does two things: 1) contains the buffer and spring and 2) allows the bolt carrier to recoil part of the way into it. The combination means that the AR15-series rifles are functionally a long-recoil design where the bolt does not slam into anything rigid during recoil and stops based on the pressure of the buffer spring. This--in turn--enhances the straight-line recoil and therefore controllability during automatic fire or rapid semi-automatic fire. It also allows the AR15 design to use the rear of the bolt carrier to actuate the automatic sear meaning the probability in this design that you can set a round off with the bolt unlocked during automatic fire is nil. (Look up some of the problems with the "Lightning Link" to get a better idea of why this works the way it does.)

:Other designs often do incorporate additional recoil buffers in the stock, the FN FAL's without folding stocks do this and the plastic-stocked SAW's, but the AR15 design simply trades the ability to fold a stock for enhanced recoil handling... The idea behind the design was to make a weapon where the entire recoil force is in a direct line between your shoulder and the end of the barrel with as little jarring as possible. This is also one reason for the use of a direct gas impingement system and one reason why gas-piston AR's tend to eat the front of the buffer tube and buffer tube area of the lower receiver due to bolt carrier "tilt". The "lateral" forces of the piston tapping the top of the bolt carrier misaligns the bolt carrier off its straight line path and pushes that chunk of steel into the aluminum.

:Oh, and the forward assist is to compensate for not having a rigidly connected bolt handle. (Like someone already mentioned). The reason why is the design is meant to be operated in a manner where you ONLY use the charging handle for initial loading and then unloading at the end (administratively). Every other time, you actuate the bolt using the bolt release on the left side of the weapon... --[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 01:28, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Noob Question ==

Ok I have a really dumb question, what is the difference between the Colt M4A1 and the Colt M4A1 Carbine? Or are they the same exact thing? The only reason I asked is when I was looking at the page, the M4A1 and the M4 Carbine look exactly the same, so how can you tell one from the other? - [[User:1morey]] July 22, 2011 11:21 AM (EST)

: The M4A1 and M4A1 'Carbine' are the same thing, the 'carbine' is just optionally showing the proper firearm type. As for the M4 and M4A1, well it ''does'' say the difference in the section but to answer - the M4 has Safe-Semi-Burst fire selection ala the M16A2/M16A4, the M4A1 has full-automatic instead of burst, ala the earlier M16s/M16A1/M16A3. Otherwise they're pretty much identical appearance wise (The M4A1 also has a heavier barrel inside the handguard, which of course you can't tell from the outside). It also notes some commercial AR-15 carbines are given an 'M4' moniker, but aren't the same as actual military M4s. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:17, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt or not? ==

If a M4 or M16 variant is listed on a page, should it by prefixed by Colt? I've noticed some people doing this but isn't it incorrect as the term M16 is the army designation as opposed to the Colt name (for example the Colt Model 603 for the M16A1). Either way, I would imagine that quite a few M16s or M4s in movies are manufactured by companies other than Colt, and even the US military rifles are not necessarily made by Colt these days. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:43, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:I am curious... if the military M4 and M16 are not made by Colt these days then by whom? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:::There was a stretch in the 1990s when Colt lost the military contract and all the M16s were built by Fabrique Nationale (FN). Though many companies build AR15 platforms, only the company who has the contract with the Dept. of Defense can call the M16 theirs. If there ARE any other manufacturers being represented on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, someone needs to find out. I certainly don't have any contacts who would know information which is THAT current. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:48, 6 September 2011 (CDT)
::::FN have stated that “the vast majority of M16A2, A3 and A4 contracts as well as spare parts contracts for these systems since 1989”, and they had a $7 million contract to make M16A4s between 2005 and 2008. Sabre defence also won a contract for a minimum of 4,952 M16A3 and 702 M16A4 rifles in July 2008 for the US navy/Marine corps respectively. Having said that FN also stated: ”...never was FN Manufacturing LLC, or any other small arms manufacturer, awarded M4 contracts. The M4 cannot be competed and always has been awarded sole source to Colt because of licensing rights restricting full and open competition until 2009” although it has stated its intention to bid for M4 contracts past this point. The US government took ownership of the M4 design on the 1st July 2009, so the M4 can now be manufactured for the government by other companies, but I don't know if this has actually been done yet. Regardless, M4 and M16 are government designations, so surely calling a gun a "Colt M4" is incorrect? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:09, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Just checked the United States Army [http://www.army.mil/features/ official website]. It lists [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m4.html M4 Carbine] as being manufactured by Colt and [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m16.html M16 Rifle] by Colt and Fabrique Nationale.
:::::Oh, and take a note of M16: ''"The '''M-16A3''' is identical to the M-16A2 but has a removable carrying handle that is mounted on a Picatinny Rail (for better mounting of optics) and is without burst control. The '''M-16A4''' is identical to the M-16A2 except for the removable carrying handle and Picatinny Rail."''
:::::United States Marine Corps websites: [http://www.marines.mil/] [http://www.marines.com/] don't mention the current manufacturer for [http://www.marines.com/main/index/winning_battles/gear/weapons_and_equipment/m16 M16 Rifle]. So I am not sure about them. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::Just to throw a bit of confusion in here, there are actually a number of different rifles designated as the M16A3 by the US military. The first is the Colt Model 646, also known as the M16A2E3, which was introduced in small numbers at the same time as the M16A2 and is an A2 with an A1 lower. Then you have the flat-top Colt Model 901 which was introduced at the same time as the M16A4 (in 1994 I think) and I'm assuming this is the version that the above page refers to. You also have the Colt Models 941 and 942 which are the HBAR and HBAR LMG models respectively, but I don't know if they are used. Not that any of this really matters as we identify all these guns as A2/A4 anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Well, that's because armorers don't have access to military M16A3s, so they just slap A2/A4 uppers to A1 lowers (correct?) because what Hollywood film director would want fixed burst firing gun (ignoring the fact that that's what soldiers and marines use) ? Or modify civilian semi-automatic replicas to fully automatic fire. In which case the weapon is to be identified as such. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Didn't mean to imply we are doing anything wrong, just that the definition of the A3 models isn't that important as they don't appear. Having said that, the original M16A3/M16A2E3 was just an A2 upper on an A1 lower, so this is actually what a number of movie guns are, but I understand that they are going for a standard A2. Regardless, back to my original question, do we call them Colt or not? My opinion is no obviously, as it seems that some if not the majority of M16s are manufactured by other companies, and there is the future possibility of this with M4, and regardless it is a military designation of a rifle that goes by another Colt name. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:31, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::::My opinion: M4 & M4A1 should remain as Colt. And so should older M16s. Modern M16s (M16A3 & M16A4), since they have ''at least'' 3 official manufacturers (Colt, Fabrique Nationale and Sabre Defence), should go without Colt. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:37, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

Talk:M16 rifle series

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==Additional Variants==
[[Image:BattleLA M16A4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope, RIS foregrip, Magpul MBUS rear right, and AN/PEQ-15 IR designator as seen in ''[[Battle: Los Angeles]]'']]
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in ''[[Uncommon Valor]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film ''[[Scarface]]''. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 with 20-round magazine, fitted with scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mockcommando.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:GUU-5P.jpg|thumb|none|600px|GUU-5/P - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Colt Law Enforcement Model 6920 Carbine..jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine with ACOG scope and PentagonLight MD3R weaponlight, screen-used weapon from ''[[I Am Legend]]'' - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M148.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177E2 - 5.56x45mm with a mounted [[XM148 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:K3B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Olympic Arms K3B carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:101-rifle-c8fthb-carbine-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C8A3 Carbine with EOTech red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A4M203ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A4 rifle - 5.56x45mm with ACOG scope and M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:CAXM177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Classic Army XM177 airsoft replica rifle - 5.56x45mm (of the type used by SF troops in some scenes of the movie ''[[Green Zone]]'').]]
[[Image:Cam15a4tacticalcarbine.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Classic Army M15A4 airsoft carbine rifle - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:M653M203.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 653 5.56x45mm with magazine removed and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually thats a ICS airsoft M4 with the grip and laser box....

An airsoft gun and a cap gun aren't the same thing. LOL [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:43, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have any pictures of a heavily modified M4 style platform? ex- The Unit, BlackHawk Down, Tears of the Sun? [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:13, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

So why not update this page to include current issue M16A4 rifles?
(unless you don't know what they are....)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16 series are the ONLY assault rifles (except the [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=83:g41-series&catid=8:the-automatic-rifles&Itemid=5/ HK G41], which is made to be like the M16 and is no longer produced) in the world to have a forward assist. Why don't other assault rifles have a forward assist? (ie. the AK-74, G36 etc.) Because other assault rifles are more reliable and don't need it. :)
::Uh more associated with the design of the Bolt than being more reliable. The AK series have a bolt handle attached DIRECTLY to the bolt carrier as do many other designs. If there is debris or fouling in the chamber which keeps a round from seating properly you can just jam the handle forward (I've done this in the field when my AK / Garand / Galil / M 14 / etc jammed) I once had a tiny piece of bark (I was firing under trees) which fell from above and fell into the ejection port and made the round 'stick' really badly in the chamber so that it would not seat properly. The M16 design has no way other than the forward assist to nudge the bolt & carrier forward enough to fire and kick that crap free of the action. But I wouldn't bash the M16 as an "unreliable" rifle. I'd sure take it into battle right now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Alright, I understand. thanks for the extra info. I'm not saying the M16/M4 is a complete piece of crap, but it's definitely not the BEST ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE WORLD! like we Americans like to state all the time (*rolls eyes*). You and me both know the M16/M4 is no where as reliable as the G36 or the AK series. But at least it's better than the L85 series, now that's a piece crap rifle. :D *Edit: Well at least the L85A1, the L85A2 is OK. kinda like the M16/M16A1s sucks but the M16A2/A4s are good.

::::I have to completely disagree with what you say, i don't wish to come off as passive aggresive but you sound like a mall ninja that learned their weapons knowledge from seeing them perform in videogames or hearing public opinions on weapons from the news or other sources. The M16 family of rifles are both fine and fairly reliable weapons, while much of that view has been skewed by the fact they were portrayed as unreliable during conflicts such as Vietnam, is incorrect to a degree. The M16 is a reliable and capable weapon when cleaned and properly maintained, it simply lacks the ability to stay so when not properly serviced, as some other rifles such as the AKM can function fine without cleaning, the M16 can not. As for your comment on the L85 series, yes they were somewhat poor and unreliable weapons at first, coupled with poor grips and clumsy to handle for certain users, however the newer models have made large improvements and are very capable firearms. As i feel it needs to be said (or typed) a common mistake people make is assuming that militaries have access and funding to field their troops with the best weapons available, which is not always the case as most countries don't have the money to field an Army with rifles that can cost up to $5000-10000 per unit. Which is where the workhorses like M16's come in, you go for the "good" rifle not the "great" one. Also, although off-topic it somewhat pertains to the M16, most mall ninja's assume the AK-family is better because it is more reliable and fires a heavier cartridge, I've always asked "would you want a round that's going to pierce right through an enemy and leave an easy to treat wound, or have a round that hits an enemy and fragments inside them causing an ungodly bloody mess?" Hopefully esteemed imfdb members such as MPM2008 will agree with and share my viewpoint concerning this subject, as well as not condemn me for my long comment. [[User:Doc345|Doc345]] 13:24, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

::::The issues of jamming during the Vietnam War had more to do with ammunition and the lack of a chrome-lined chamber and barrel than the rifle's so-called "dirty" gas system. In 1964 the Army switched from stick powder to ball powder, which increased the rate of fire to over 1,000 RPM and left a lot of dirty residue in the weapon. This was only exacerbated by the lack of cleaning kits and training on how to maintain the weapon. They fixed the issue by fitting the rifle with a buffer system (which slowed the ROF down) and chrome-plated chamber. Training programs in weapon maintenance were instituted and an instruction book on how to maintain the rifle was circulated among troops. After further modifications resulted in the M16A1, many of the reliability issues disappeared (although even today, the weapon has yet to shed its bad reputation). The M16A2, A3, A4, and M4 carbine of today are an entirely different breed of warrior than the prototypes that were issued back in the 60s. While it may admittedly be a bit finicky, the M16 today is a good weapon. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:29, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah but it's still a very fussy weapon, it's not very durable, and it has much more malfunctions/jams then say the H&K G36, but none the less it's still a excellent weapons platform, mostly. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:28, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

== Standard Issue M4 vs. M4A1 ==

Does the Army issue regular infantry (i.e. 4th Inf. Div.) the three-round burst M4 or the M4A1? I always thought it was the M4A1 (and please forgive me if I got to the party late), but from what I've read, it seems like they issue the regulars the Model 920, leaving the 921 for Special Forces and the like. -

i think it all depends on the on-base armory. for example some armory's might still have some M4s. but i think the regular infantry does use the M4A1. however. Special forces dont use the M4A1 or the M4. they use the hK416/417. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 17:11, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Though I don't know for certain, I wouldn't imply Spec-Ops units use ''only'' the new HK rifles - As you've said, it all depends on what's around, and to a degree what the soldiers prefer (in the case of Special units). Though the aforementioned HK rifles are in inventory, that doesn't automatically cancel the M4s out - some personnel might still use 'em. Plus there are other weapons around, namely the FN SCAR series. Though I would agree use of the M4 with Special Forces probably isn't as common these days. As for a regular-issue weapon, I agree that the M4 and M4A1 are both in use nowadays, with the A1 perhaps being more prominent. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, Stan, my understanding is that it's the opposite. The M4 is the most common version, not the M4A1. U.S. military doctrine still discourages full-auto for infantry rifles, so it seems unlikely to me that the M4A1 is going to be more common. As for the SCAR, SOCOM just decided this past June that they weren't going to order any more SCAR-Ls for the foreseeable future, which means that even amongst most SF units, the M4 will remain their standard weapon. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:11, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Well, I wasn't too sure, but I guess that does make sense to stick with the burst-fire M4. Good point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The only SF unit that uses the M4 (920) that I can think of is the Asymmetric Warfare Group, but that's only 'cause they had to hand in their HK416s. According to a book I've got, that decision went over like a lead balloon with the AWG. -

thank god. im not a huge fan of the SCAR-L i find it pointless. if you want to go with a new alternative to the M4/M16. why the hell would you take an unfamiliar weapon. alas the hK416. same rate of fire. same Picatanny rail, same attachments, same stock, same barrel, same trigger group, and extremely similiar internals. and Stan, i do agree. if i made it sounds like all SF use the hK416, i didnt mean to. i/we really DONT no what they all use. they pick their own. they could carry an AK-47 or a CAR-15 if they wanted to. we cant make generalizations about units that get custom made equipment. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

- No prob, dude - I'm just glad you got what I was gettin' at. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:56, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

i would be shocked if they couldnt pick their weapons. their the best soldiers on the planet. it just doesnt make sense not to be able to. it would be like giving a star baseball player a 10 dollar glove. itll do but why wouldnt they get the best thats out there. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 01:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Reg army units use the burst M4, not the full auto A1. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

A couple of months ago when I was at a military base there were Marines conducting a weapons demo with the M4 carbine. It was the 3-round burst rifle, but a question came up about the M4A1. One Marine said that they got rid of all M4A1s and only have M4s. I personally don't see the need for a full-auto rifle and 3-round burst is fine because it forces the user to slow down and most of the time the user uses semi-only, combat or not, but that is my opinion. The M4A1 is still probabley used by the US Military, but I'm not sure, I haven't seen one in a long time.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt Accurized Rifle ==

After seeing several pages of real firearms appearing in only one film or game, I was wondering if I should expand this page with a new section for the [http://www.colt.com/law/car.asp Colt Accurized Rifle], which to my knowledge has only ever appeared in [[S.W.A.T. 4]]. Before I do that, I need to confirm two things:

*Is the Colt Accurized Rifle indeed another variant on the M16 line of rifles, or a separate take on the AR-15 design altogether? I suppose there's a reason why we don't include the [[Z-M LR 300]] in the M16 page because it's the latter--I need to know if the Colt Accurized Rifle falls in that category.
*Including it on this page would make it the first Designated Marksman Rifle variant here. So far I only see assault rifles or carbines here. Would including a DMR in this page be a problem or not?

If there are no real problems, I'll make a new section for it, but I have no idea where I'll get a non-copyright infringment image of one. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:It'd be the '''second''' DMR on the page. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, but can someone confirm that the Colt Accurized Rifle is indeed descended from the M16 line of assault rifles and not a separate take on the AR-15 design like the aforementioned LR-300 is? I still have no idea where I can get a photo of this DMR that respects copyright. All I have are game screenshots. Some help here, please? --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

== Removeable Carry Handle for Colt 9mm SMG? ==

Does such a Gun exist?

:Not as a production gun (Colt's website makes no mention of one, anyway), but the modular nature of the AR system makes such a configuration entirely possible. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

==Why do we have a Colt AR-15 SP1 category that is separate from the M16/SP1 category?==
The guns look the same, sure the SP1 had a design change in 1978 (three prong flash hider was changed to birdcage, rear sling swivel was changed to A1 style and the color went from greenish grey to straight grey) but unless we see the stamp on the side that says "Property of U.S. Government" we can't tell if it's a real M16 (which WERE sold via Title II dealers to armories) and a Colt AR15 SP1 which was converted to full auto (which was done A LOT prior to 1986). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:10, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== About M4 Commando and M16A4 Full Auto ==

Full Auto M16A4 (Model 905) is [http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp Model 901]

[http://www.colt.com/mil/M4Com_2.asp Model 933] ''is'' M4 Commando (Full Auto)

[http://www.colt.com/mil/home.asp Manufacturer's site] says it all.

== Colt Model 653 barrel length ==

Am trying to pin down what a gun is for a page I'm working on. It has a forward assist but no deflector, A1 rear sight, M4 length tubular handguard, 16" barrel with birdcage flash hider and a solid stock. Basically it matches the gun in the picture for the Model 653 on the main page, apart from having a solid stock but that is easily changeable. However, every source I can find about the 653 says that it has a 14" barrel. Was the gun made in different barrel lengths but kept the same designation, and if not, anyone know what the gun is that is pictured as a 653? Also, while I'm on the topic of obscure colt carbines, does anyone know of a model that will match a 725 (original C8 without the flat-top) but has an A2 rear sight? Thanks, --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:16, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

== Can anyone figure out what this is? ==

I found this hidden in my computer, I think it's a Colt Canada C7A1 as a base, I can tell it's C7 because of the Canadian leaf on the the lower receiver, it would be an A1 because of the removable carrying-handle. What the heck is that hand-guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:02, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
[[Image:Colt Canada C7A1 SPW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Canada C7A1 SPW?]]

::Colt Model 750/Diemaco C7 Light Support Weapon - A modified C7 with an enlarged gas tube (hence the square handguard) and a heavy barrel for sustained fire in the squad automatic weapon role. The C7 LSW is not used by the Canadian Forces but has seen service with the Dutch and Danish militaries. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:34, 28 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Ha! I thought so, thanks. :) Should I remove this section or keep it. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

::That's not Colt LSW, that's [http://www.colt.com/mil/CAR.asp Colt Automatic Rifle]. Follow the link and you will see that the image is the larger version of the official one. Meanwhile, [http://www.coltcanada.com/lsw-page.htm Colt LSW] has optional folding carry handle. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 09:09, 29 April 2011 (CDT)
[[File:Lsw-annot.jpg]]
:::Thanks guys. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:02, 29 April 2011 (CDT)

::Just to clarify, the Colt automatic rifle, LSW and LMG are all the same weapon. The original version that looks like the one above was the Colt Model 750, which featured a fixed A2 carry handle and barrel mounted bi-pod, and the newer version above is the current production Model 950, with the relocated bi-pod and A4 rear sights. As you said, the folding carry handle is removeable, and the picture on the Colt website is just one without it fitted (note the longer centre vent on the top of the handguard is the mounting point for the handle). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 02:48, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:::The original version was based on M16A1:

[[File:M16A1 CAR.jpg]]

:::The one you described was based on M16A2:

[[File:M16A2 CAR.jpg]]

Guys, remember back in the 1980s when Colt was trying to vie for the SAW role? Sure the FN Minimi was never knocked off its perch, but Colt came out with a Colt light Machine gun that looked a lot like this. They were selling the barreled uppers on the market for a while in the early 1990s (I know a few friends who have them, but I never got one). This looks like that reincarnated!!! LOL![[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:24, 29 April 2011 (CDT)
:Well, that's all written on [http://world.guns.ru/machine/usa/m16-lsw-lmg-e.html Modern Firearms] :P

::Ah yes, you only read about it monkeyboy ;) I was handling and firing that sucker! LOL [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:11, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, and I've found articles of why AR is more advantageous than SAW to US Marine Corps:

:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-employment-concepts M249 Employment Concepts]
:[http://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/m249-light-machinegun-automatic-rifle-role The M249 Light Machinegun In The Automatic Rifle Role]

: Interesting reading, methinks :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 30 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah it was. :) You know, I kinda knew LMGs were dying out. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:07, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
::: Not overall, it's just the role they are being used in (automatic rifleman). SAW is still very good in defensive role and laying fire on attacking forces ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:33, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Heat Dissipation Performance of Carbine Barrel Types? ==

I was wondering, does anyone know what kind of effects the 'cuts' (originally meant for the mounting of the M203 grenade launcher) in the barrel of the M4 and similiarly-styled M16 & AR-15 series carbines has on the heat dissipation performance of the barrel? Do the cuts help the weapon release heat from prolonged firing better than a barrel that has a uniform thickness, or does it hamper that? Any input anyone can provide on this would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 17:46, 8 May 2011 (CDT)
:The step down for the grenade launcher is actually pretty negligible in terms of cooling (although it does create a point of weakness to bending), as what you can't see is the fact that as soon as the barrel goes under the handguard it is reduced down to the same narrow diameter as in the cut out, which creates a much bigger effect on cooling. The narrower profile sections have the effect of cooling down the barrel quicker, but they also conversely mean that the barrel heats up quicker, and the heat has a larger effect on the accuracy of the gun. The main advantage however is that it reduces the weight quite a bit. The original reason that the M4 barrel reduces in size behind the handguard is based on the M16A2, which does exactly the same thing where its heavy barrel is actually only thicker past the front sight. This was due to a cock up in the design, where they designed the gun with a full thickness straight barrel, and found that they could then no longer clamp the M203 to the barrel, so the barrels were simply turned down from behind the front sight post. The front of the barrel was left thick due to the fact that the thinner barrels on the M16A1 were being bent at the front from being used as pry-bars to get the loading bands off of shipping pallets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:53, 6 June 2011 (CDT)

:There is a heavier "SOCOM-profile" barrel that maintains the same diameter beneath the handguards as the standard M4-profile barrel does around the M203 cut and it can mount the M203 just fine.[http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM-URG-M4-14SOCOM-2.jpg] [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:40, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

== can you tell me what model of m16/car 15 this is ==

sorry i do not have a pic but i can tell you what is like. me and my dad were talikng about some of the guns he used in the army and he was telling me about this one he said was like an carbine version of the m16a2 and it was like the m4 but had a fixed carring handle and it was used befor the m4 it had safe semi and burst and he said it just had ar15 on the side.-Steviebleckley

:Sounds like the first batch of M4s that were delivered. This is the Colt Model 777, which is basically an M4 with a fixed carry handle, and 3-round burst as opposed to full auto. It is the brother of and visually identical to the 727 mentioned on the main page, where the 727 as full auto as opposed to the burst. If it didn't have the M4 profile barrel though, god knows. Probably a model 654 on an M16 lower receiver or something. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:02, 13 June 2011 (CDT)

yes it had the same profile as the m4. i gess it was the 777.I will show him the pic of the the 727 since there the same well the 727 is full auto thanks for the info - Steviebleckley

== Question about the buffer tube ==

I'm not one hundred percent sure what it does, and (like the forward assist) that almost no other guns have it. If someone could just clarify, what does it do, why does this rifle series have it, and why don't others/what replaces the buffer tube in other rifles? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 07:27, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
:Basically, it was installed in order to slow down the rate of fire. The very first M16s ended up using a different ammunition powder than they were designed for, which caused a higher rate of fire than desired (about 800 to 1000 rpm I think), leading to excessive fouling in the chamber, and hence lots of stopages. From the M16E1 onwards a buffer tube was added to slow the rate of fire to about 600-700 rpm, and a chrome lined chamber and barrel was added as well. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:47, 12 July 2011 (CDT)
I'm not sure if this is practical in any way, or even possible, but is their a way to increase the rate of fire on an M16 without the problems of the carbon build-up in the chamber?--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 23:29, 21 July 2011 (CDT)
:Why would you want to increase the rate of fire? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)
No reason, just wondering if it's even possible with a full-auto M16.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 08:09, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:Probably, I see no reason why you couldn't. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm assuming the reason that the high rate of fire caused fouling was that the rate of fire was so quick that the bolt was unlocking and opening before all the powder was fully burnt in the chamber, leaving residue. I'd imagine that you could increase the rate of fire by removing the buffer, and just make sure that whatever powder you were using was fully burnt in the time it takes the bolt to open. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:29, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

::That would make sense, since I heard the nightmare version of that was when the gas pressure was still holding the spent case in place while the extractor was trying to eject it, which tended to result in Horrible Things happening to the case while it was still inside the rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

This might be a silly question, but why is it that the AR-15 design required the buffer tube, and other rifles do not? Is it just located differently, and if so why? It just strikes me that the lack of a folding stock option is a poor design, especially when compared to most assault rifles designed today, SCAR, ACR, etc. --[[User:Rebusdi|Rebusdi]] 18:57, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:I'm guessing here, but from what I've read it's that the rifle had already been designed, so they had to work inside the box, as it were. The only options were either to make the components of the action a lot heavier so their momentum prevented the weapon cycling too fast (which would rather defy the point of using a lightweight aluminium receiver and suchlike) or add something on to slow it down, which is what they did. Rifles designed since have been designed from the ground up to avoid this kind of problem, so don't need to have a tube attached to a hole in the back of the receiver to fix them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 21:08, 27 July 2011 (CDT)

:The buffer tube does two things: 1) contains the buffer and spring and 2) allows the bolt carrier to recoil part of the way into it. The combination means that the AR15-series rifles are functionally a long-recoil design where the bolt does not slam into anything rigid during recoil and stops based on the pressure of the buffer spring. This--in turn--enhances the straight-line recoil and therefore controllability during automatic fire or rapid semi-automatic fire. It also allows the AR15 design to use the rear of the bolt carrier to actuate the automatic sear meaning the probability in this design that you can set a round off with the bolt unlocked during automatic fire is nil. (Look up some of the problems with the "Lightning Link" to get a better idea of why this works the way it does.)

Other designs often do incorporate additional recoil buffers in the stock, the FN FAL's without folding stocks do this and the plastic-stocked SAW's, but the AR15 design simply trades the ability to fold a stock for enhanced recoil handling... The idea behind the design was to make a weapon where the entire recoil force is in a direct line between your shoulder and the end of the barrel with as little jarring as possible. This is also one reason for the use of a direct gas impingement system and one reason why gas-piston AR's tend to eat the front of the buffer tube and buffer tube area of the lower receiver due to bolt carrier "tilt". The "lateral" forces of the piston tapping the top of the bolt carrier misaligns the bolt carrier off its straight line path and pushes that chunk of steel into the aluminum.

Oh, and the forward assist is to compensate for not having a rigidly connected bolt handle. (Like someone already mentioned). The reason why is the design is meant to be operated in a manner where you ONLY use the charging handle for initial loading and then unloading at the end (administratively). Every other time, you actuate the bolt using the bolt release on the left side of the weapon... --[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 01:28, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Noob Question ==

Ok I have a really dumb question, what is the difference between the Colt M4A1 and the Colt M4A1 Carbine? Or are they the same exact thing? The only reason I asked is when I was looking at the page, the M4A1 and the M4 Carbine look exactly the same, so how can you tell one from the other? - [[User:1morey]] July 22, 2011 11:21 AM (EST)

: The M4A1 and M4A1 'Carbine' are the same thing, the 'carbine' is just optionally showing the proper firearm type. As for the M4 and M4A1, well it ''does'' say the difference in the section but to answer - the M4 has Safe-Semi-Burst fire selection ala the M16A2/M16A4, the M4A1 has full-automatic instead of burst, ala the earlier M16s/M16A1/M16A3. Otherwise they're pretty much identical appearance wise (The M4A1 also has a heavier barrel inside the handguard, which of course you can't tell from the outside). It also notes some commercial AR-15 carbines are given an 'M4' moniker, but aren't the same as actual military M4s. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:17, 22 July 2011 (CDT)

== Colt or not? ==

If a M4 or M16 variant is listed on a page, should it by prefixed by Colt? I've noticed some people doing this but isn't it incorrect as the term M16 is the army designation as opposed to the Colt name (for example the Colt Model 603 for the M16A1). Either way, I would imagine that quite a few M16s or M4s in movies are manufactured by companies other than Colt, and even the US military rifles are not necessarily made by Colt these days. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:43, 3 September 2011 (CDT)

:I am curious... if the military M4 and M16 are not made by Colt these days then by whom? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:::There was a stretch in the 1990s when Colt lost the military contract and all the M16s were built by Fabrique Nationale (FN). Though many companies build AR15 platforms, only the company who has the contract with the Dept. of Defense can call the M16 theirs. If there ARE any other manufacturers being represented on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, someone needs to find out. I certainly don't have any contacts who would know information which is THAT current. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:48, 6 September 2011 (CDT)
::::FN have stated that “the vast majority of M16A2, A3 and A4 contracts as well as spare parts contracts for these systems since 1989”, and they had a $7 million contract to make M16A4s between 2005 and 2008. Sabre defence also won a contract for a minimum of 4,952 M16A3 and 702 M16A4 rifles in July 2008 for the US navy/Marine corps respectively. Having said that FN also stated: ”...never was FN Manufacturing LLC, or any other small arms manufacturer, awarded M4 contracts. The M4 cannot be competed and always has been awarded sole source to Colt because of licensing rights restricting full and open competition until 2009” although it has stated its intention to bid for M4 contracts past this point. The US government took ownership of the M4 design on the 1st July 2009, so the M4 can now be manufactured for the government by other companies, but I don't know if this has actually been done yet. Regardless, M4 and M16 are government designations, so surely calling a gun a "Colt M4" is incorrect? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:09, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:::::Just checked the United States Army [http://www.army.mil/features/ official website]. It lists [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m4.html M4 Carbine] as being manufactured by Colt and [http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m16.html M16 Rifle] by Colt and Fabrique Nationale.
:::::Oh, and take a note of M16: ''"The '''M-16A3''' is identical to the M-16A2 but has a removable carrying handle that is mounted on a Picatinny Rail (for better mounting of optics) and is without burst control. The '''M-16A4''' is identical to the M-16A2 except for the removable carrying handle and Picatinny Rail."''
:::::United States Marine Corps websites: [http://www.marines.mil/] [http://www.marines.com/] don't mention the current manufacturer for [http://www.marines.com/main/index/winning_battles/gear/weapons_and_equipment/m16 M16 Rifle]. So I am not sure about them. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::Just to throw a bit of confusion in here, there are actually a number of different rifles designated as the M16A3 by the US military. The first is the Colt Model 646, also known as the M16A2E3, which was introduced in small numbers at the same time as the M16A2 and is an A2 with an A1 lower. Then you have the flat-top Colt Model 901 which was introduced at the same time as the M16A4 (in 1994 I think) and I'm assuming this is the version that the above page refers to. You also have the Colt Models 941 and 942 which are the HBAR and HBAR LMG models respectively, but I don't know if they are used. Not that any of this really matters as we identify all these guns as A2/A4 anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:24, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Well, that's because armorers don't have access to military M16A3s, so they just slap A2/A4 uppers to A1 lowers (correct?) because what Hollywood film director would want fixed burst firing gun (ignoring the fact that that's what soldiers and marines use) ? Or modify civilian semi-automatic replicas to fully automatic fire. In which case the weapon is to be identified as such. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Didn't mean to imply we are doing anything wrong, just that the definition of the A3 models isn't that important as they don't appear. Having said that, the original M16A3/M16A2E3 was just an A2 upper on an A1 lower, so this is actually what a number of movie guns are, but I understand that they are going for a standard A2. Regardless, back to my original question, do we call them Colt or not? My opinion is no obviously, as it seems that some if not the majority of M16s are manufactured by other companies, and there is the future possibility of this with M4, and regardless it is a military designation of a rifle that goes by another Colt name. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:31, 7 September 2011 (CDT)
::::::::My opinion: M4 & M4A1 should remain as Colt. And so should older M16s. Modern M16s (M16A3 & M16A4), since they have ''at least'' 3 official manufacturers (Colt, Fabrique Nationale and Sabre Defence), should go without Colt. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:37, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Jurassic Park (1993)

2011-03-18T22:57:47Z

Deathbunny:

I like the spas-12
:This movie was the first thing I ever saw the SPAS-12 in and I must say they did a good job of making it look cool. But they also did a good job showing how it's unreliable. Not to mention it's too heavy for a conventional shotgun.

-I really doubt if a shotgun would be sufficient enough against a full grown dinosaur. See, in the novel, Muldoon uses a custom tranquilizer launcher. Topps Comics` adaption of the movie illustrates this by showing Muldoon holding something that looks like a mix between an RPG-7 and a Panzerfaust 3(black RPG launcher w/a Panzerfaust 3 grenade). So why they decided to use a shotgun in the movie is beyond me. ...But it is a cool shotgun!

::It would be rational to consider a shotgun when the expected threat--velociraptors or the species they derived the movie velociraptors from (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus)--are on the same scale as humans, fast, and probably susceptible to similar levels of energy as humans (or similar sized birds). Against something larger--like a T.Rex--shotgun probably not so useful.--[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 17:57, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

Talk:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy

2011-03-05T07:50:43Z

Deathbunny:

== I was debating doing this...==

But I figured since they were all pretty obvious Airsoft weapons, it really didn't feel right.-protoAuthor 00:16, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Nope, it's FINE to have it here. It's a legitimate entry in IMDB.com so it can have a page here. I've seen much bigger motion pictures that used mostly Airsoft guns, so that's not a disqualifier. Airsofts have been a godsend for replica guns. I remember the bad old days of the 1980s when there were so few replica NON guns available, but every idiot filmmaker wanted the latest and greatest guns, except in replica form. But they weren't available unless we smuggled them in from Japan (few people were selling the really obscure replicas from Japan. I remember an L85A1 going for $700.00 USD and it was a lousy spring air gun, and this was in 1980s dollars which were worth a lot more than today's dollars). Whether or not it sucks or not (the critics think it sucks) is not up to US to determine. It's fine having a page here. Though Fan made, it was released to the general public and has an IMDB listing. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I personally thought Philanthropy was great (I just saw it for the first time a couple hours ago), but take that with a grain of sand (I liked Bloodrayne and Doom, after all...). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

:I hate Doom and Bloodrayne with a passion, mostly cause it's another Uwe Bolle piece of shit. Doom at least tried. Anyway, I am going to watch this MGS fan movie since I saw the trailer and it looked exceptionally good for something made by fans. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

just a note most of them are not air soft. they fire real blanks the 10000 euros spent was mainly for the equipment. also has anyone seen the film yet if so pretty good huh[[user:smish34|smish34]]
:Sorry, dude, that's all CG. You can tell.-protoAuthor 02:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

also i was just wandering what you think is it a good page i created here, i have created others (mgs peace walker in particular) but i just wanted to find out what the the users of this fine website think of it. and they are bringing out two sequels philanthropy is part 1 and two more are supposed to be released but i don't know when good ting is they are going to be a quite long as well. [[user:smish34|smish34]]

:I have this movie on my computer now. I'll see if I can get some better caps. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

yeah i got the images from google images. i couldnt find any others. [[user:smish34|smish34]]

I have a collection of screen captures of the movie on my computer. [[user:snakevenom56|snakevenom56|]]

== LAW Confusion (moved to talk page by Spartan198) ==
- I believe they just edited out his grabbing a new LAW for the third shot. - Greenwolf
:- There were three M72 in dead soldier's backpack, transition from second to third law was cutted ;) - Alberto Vazzola, Hive Division
::Thanks for the info, Alberto. Good work on the film. I really enjoyed it and I eagerly await the next chapter. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

== Snake's M4 sight will not help him see anything ==

I noticed this several times and it's that the red dot on Snake's M4 is mounted on the rail where the carrying handle should be. It's fine, but they should have put it on an M4 with flip up front sights or absent front sights. The post in in the way. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
:It still works, the dot would just go over the front sight post, basically illuminating it and making it easier to see. It sort of replaces the rear sight and makes the front sight more visible when used that way. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:No, look closer, the center of the red dot is not aligned with the front sight. It's FLAT on the top. Imagine the Aimpoint sight without the mount and picture it just sitting on the rail. I can imagine that if they have an elevated mount to put the red dot sight up higher, then it'll make you see the front better, otherwise, it gets in the way of the red dot. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

::Doesn't matter how low or high the RDS is mounted, the FSP is irrelevant. You know how you can't see the bridge of your nose without closing one eye? Well, the same principle applies here. Aim with both eyes open, one eye through the sight and the other on the target. Your brain merges the two images into one and it focuses the FSP out of the picture, making it essentially invisible. All you see is the dot on the target. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you ever sight a rifle with the red dot like that? Notice that in all the examples of a red dot on an AR-15 rifle, the Red Dot is either elevated enough so that the front sight post is not obstructing the picture or the FSP has been removed. Looking through a RDS with both eyes open is a basic thing when sighting. It helps you see the entire picture, but if the eye that is doing the sighting is obscured with something, then you can't see the whole picture. You're not sighting the target with your left eye, or if you are left handed, your left eye. And the bridge of your nose. You're eyes aren't looking directly AT the bridge of your nose, they are looking straight ahead. Of course you wouldn't see it. Having depth perception doesn't completely take away an object in from of you. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:TascoRDS.jpg]]

This is what it would look like. I know it's from Call of Duty 4, but this is a good example of what it would look like if the front sight post was removed from the M4, you'd have a clear picture, not a thick black line right down the middle of your red dot. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Yes, I have sighted a rifle through an RDS. I have an Aimpoint replica on my airsoft M4 and when I aim in the method I described above, ''there is no thick black line right down the middle of it because it's focused out of view''. Hell, even the big ass PEQ battery box mounted on the 12 o'clock rail in front of said RDS disappears. All I see is the dot on the target. Regarding depth perception, you don't have to be staring straight at something, like the bridge of your nose, in front of you to see it. Stare straight ahead at something and close one eye, for clarity let's say it's your left. Notice how you can see the bridge of your nose in the inner corner of your right eye. Now open your left eye. Can you still see the bridge of your nose from the inner corner of your right eye? No, you can't. That's because your brain has taken two images, one from each eye, and merged them into one. In the merged image, the bridge of your nose is focused out of view. The same principle occurs with the FSP when aiming through the RDS with both eyes open. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
::While Snake's reddot ''is'' mounted pretty low, I agree it would be possible to use with the front sight still mounted. The dot would likely line up with the bottom of the of the front sight post. There would be no "Thick black line" through the sight picture, though it would still disrupt the picture more than if it had been on a riser... but it isn't any worse than using Iron sights. Now that doesn't mean it would be comfortable to use, or very effective. It'd have been much more realistic if they had been able to use a Comp M2 with the appropriate mount. Speaking from experience (I had a VERY similar setup when I first started airsoft), it is a pain to aim with the sight that low. You can do it, but it does partially defeat the point of a reddot.

I am only speaking from experience during Airsoft with my own M4. I had to buy a mount to raise the RDS higher so the fsp isn't bothering me. I had a fax PEQ box housing a larger battery once and I always put it on the 3 o'clock position. And if you do have an Aimpoint replica, you don't mount it directly on the rail. You get a mount and put THAT on the rail and then put your aimpoint on top of that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

:I know you can't mount an Aimpoint directly to the rail, my replica came with a ''very'' low profile mount [http://4imgs.com/364/x/010223a_FULL.jpg which you can see in this pic of the exact RDS I have]. It's currently sitting behind a PEQ-15 battery box and even with that and the FSP, all I see through it when aiming with both eyes open (Bindon Aiming Concept, I think that's called) is ''the red dot on the target''. No battery box, no FSP. The brain merges the images from each eye into one and the two "obstructions" are completely focused out of view. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

::Google "occluded eye gunsight OEG" and/or "Armson OEG". These were the Vietnam era red dots that some of the guy's are talking about above. For short range work--say arm's reach to about 100 meters--it's fast, forces you to keep your peripheral vision, and was employed by the Special Forces guys for the Son Tay Raid. Works pretty well at night as well because of how the human eye works (cones in the middle, rods in the periphery). Putting a red-dot on the rifle and blocking the view of the target probably does the same thing--as people above have talked about.

Additionally--if it's the Snake using the eye-gizmo--using an OEG might let him aim in using that eye's vision...

--[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 06:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

And what if you close one of your eyes and look through it? Even for a second. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

::Umm... with an OEG, if you close your right eye (assuming you're firing right handed), you lose your sighting. If you close your left eye, you lose your sighting because you can't see through an OEG. Assuming the sight's red dot is aligned with the back of the foreward sight assembly AND you can't "see" through it, you would have the same affect as an OEG and the same affect.

::IRL, if that's the case, if he carried a quick-detach back-up sight (BUS), he could use the optic as an OEG (assuming it works as one) and throw the BUS on and sight through the upper portion of the optics FOV if the battery goes...
--[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 10:45, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Talk:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy

2011-03-05T07:45:47Z

Deathbunny: /* Snake's M4 sight will not help him see anything */

== I was debating doing this...==

But I figured since they were all pretty obvious Airsoft weapons, it really didn't feel right.-protoAuthor 00:16, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::Nope, it's FINE to have it here. It's a legitimate entry in IMDB.com so it can have a page here. I've seen much bigger motion pictures that used mostly Airsoft guns, so that's not a disqualifier. Airsofts have been a godsend for replica guns. I remember the bad old days of the 1980s when there were so few replica NON guns available, but every idiot filmmaker wanted the latest and greatest guns, except in replica form. But they weren't available unless we smuggled them in from Japan (few people were selling the really obscure replicas from Japan. I remember an L85A1 going for $700.00 USD and it was a lousy spring air gun, and this was in 1980s dollars which were worth a lot more than today's dollars). Whether or not it sucks or not (the critics think it sucks) is not up to US to determine. It's fine having a page here. Though Fan made, it was released to the general public and has an IMDB listing. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I personally thought Philanthropy was great (I just saw it for the first time a couple hours ago), but take that with a grain of sand (I liked Bloodrayne and Doom, after all...). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 02:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

:I hate Doom and Bloodrayne with a passion, mostly cause it's another Uwe Bolle piece of shit. Doom at least tried. Anyway, I am going to watch this MGS fan movie since I saw the trailer and it looked exceptionally good for something made by fans. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

just a note most of them are not air soft. they fire real blanks the 10000 euros spent was mainly for the equipment. also has anyone seen the film yet if so pretty good huh[[user:smish34|smish34]]
:Sorry, dude, that's all CG. You can tell.-protoAuthor 02:10, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

also i was just wandering what you think is it a good page i created here, i have created others (mgs peace walker in particular) but i just wanted to find out what the the users of this fine website think of it. and they are bringing out two sequels philanthropy is part 1 and two more are supposed to be released but i don't know when good ting is they are going to be a quite long as well. [[user:smish34|smish34]]

:I have this movie on my computer now. I'll see if I can get some better caps. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

yeah i got the images from google images. i couldnt find any others. [[user:smish34|smish34]]

I have a collection of screen captures of the movie on my computer. [[user:snakevenom56|snakevenom56|]]

== LAW Confusion (moved to talk page by Spartan198) ==
- I believe they just edited out his grabbing a new LAW for the third shot. - Greenwolf
:- There were three M72 in dead soldier's backpack, transition from second to third law was cutted ;) - Alberto Vazzola, Hive Division
::Thanks for the info, Alberto. Good work on the film. I really enjoyed it and I eagerly await the next chapter. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

== Snake's M4 sight will not help him see anything ==

I noticed this several times and it's that the red dot on Snake's M4 is mounted on the rail where the carrying handle should be. It's fine, but they should have put it on an M4 with flip up front sights or absent front sights. The post in in the way. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
:It still works, the dot would just go over the front sight post, basically illuminating it and making it easier to see. It sort of replaces the rear sight and makes the front sight more visible when used that way. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:No, look closer, the center of the red dot is not aligned with the front sight. It's FLAT on the top. Imagine the Aimpoint sight without the mount and picture it just sitting on the rail. I can imagine that if they have an elevated mount to put the red dot sight up higher, then it'll make you see the front better, otherwise, it gets in the way of the red dot. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

::Doesn't matter how low or high the RDS is mounted, the FSP is irrelevant. You know how you can't see the bridge of your nose without closing one eye? Well, the same principle applies here. Aim with both eyes open, one eye through the sight and the other on the target. Your brain merges the two images into one and it focuses the FSP out of the picture, making it essentially invisible. All you see is the dot on the target. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you ever sight a rifle with the red dot like that? Notice that in all the examples of a red dot on an AR-15 rifle, the Red Dot is either elevated enough so that the front sight post is not obstructing the picture or the FSP has been removed. Looking through a RDS with both eyes open is a basic thing when sighting. It helps you see the entire picture, but if the eye that is doing the sighting is obscured with something, then you can't see the whole picture. You're not sighting the target with your left eye, or if you are left handed, your left eye. And the bridge of your nose. You're eyes aren't looking directly AT the bridge of your nose, they are looking straight ahead. Of course you wouldn't see it. Having depth perception doesn't completely take away an object in from of you. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:TascoRDS.jpg]]

This is what it would look like. I know it's from Call of Duty 4, but this is a good example of what it would look like if the front sight post was removed from the M4, you'd have a clear picture, not a thick black line right down the middle of your red dot. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
:Yes, I have sighted a rifle through an RDS. I have an Aimpoint replica on my airsoft M4 and when I aim in the method I described above, ''there is no thick black line right down the middle of it because it's focused out of view''. Hell, even the big ass PEQ battery box mounted on the 12 o'clock rail in front of said RDS disappears. All I see is the dot on the target. Regarding depth perception, you don't have to be staring straight at something, like the bridge of your nose, in front of you to see it. Stare straight ahead at something and close one eye, for clarity let's say it's your left. Notice how you can see the bridge of your nose in the inner corner of your right eye. Now open your left eye. Can you still see the bridge of your nose from the inner corner of your right eye? No, you can't. That's because your brain has taken two images, one from each eye, and merged them into one. In the merged image, the bridge of your nose is focused out of view. The same principle occurs with the FSP when aiming through the RDS with both eyes open. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
::While Snake's reddot ''is'' mounted pretty low, I agree it would be possible to use with the front sight still mounted. The dot would likely line up with the bottom of the of the front sight post. There would be no "Thick black line" through the sight picture, though it would still disrupt the picture more than if it had been on a riser... but it isn't any worse than using Iron sights. Now that doesn't mean it would be comfortable to use, or very effective. It'd have been much more realistic if they had been able to use a Comp M2 with the appropriate mount. Speaking from experience (I had a VERY similar setup when I first started airsoft), it is a pain to aim with the sight that low. You can do it, but it does partially defeat the point of a reddot.

I am only speaking from experience during Airsoft with my own M4. I had to buy a mount to raise the RDS higher so the fsp isn't bothering me. I had a fax PEQ box housing a larger battery once and I always put it on the 3 o'clock position. And if you do have an Aimpoint replica, you don't mount it directly on the rail. You get a mount and put THAT on the rail and then put your aimpoint on top of that. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 19:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

:I know you can't mount an Aimpoint directly to the rail, my replica came with a ''very'' low profile mount [http://4imgs.com/364/x/010223a_FULL.jpg which you can see in this pic of the exact RDS I have]. It's currently sitting behind a PEQ-15 battery box and even with that and the FSP, all I see through it when aiming with both eyes open (Bindon Aiming Concept, I think that's called) is ''the red dot on the target''. No battery box, no FSP. The brain merges the images from each eye into one and the two "obstructions" are completely focused out of view. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

::Google "occluded eye gunsight OEG" and/or "Armson OEG". These were the Vietnam era red dots that some of the guy's are talking about above. For short range work--say arm's reach to about 100 meters--it's fast, forces you to keep your peripheral vision, and was employed by the Special Forces guys for the Son Tay Raid. Works pretty well at night as well because of how the human eye works (cones in the middle, rods in the periphery). Putting a red-dot on the rifle and blocking the view of the target probably does the same thing--as people above have talked about.

Additionally--if it's the Snake using the eye-gizmo--using an OEG might let him aim in using that eye's vision...

--[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 06:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

And what if you close one of your eyes and look through it? Even for a second. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

::Umm... with an OEG, if you close your right eye (assuming you're firing right handed), you lose your sighting. If you close your left eye, you lose your sighting because you can't see through an OEG. Assuming the sight's red dot is aligned with the back of the foreward sight assembly AND you can't "see" through it, you would have the same affect as an OEG and the same affect. --[[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 10:45, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Ultimate Force

2011-03-04T05:42:06Z

Deathbunny: /* CAR-15/M16 carbine series */

Ultimate Force

2011-03-04T05:21:01Z

Deathbunny: The only HK stocks that fit on that family are on the MP5K-PDW

Talk:Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy

2011-03-02T06:21:59Z

Deathbunny: /* Snake's M4 sight will not help him see anything */

NCIS: Los Angeles - Season 1

2011-03-02T05:49:01Z

Deathbunny: /* Mossberg 590 */

''NCIS: Los Angeles'' is an American television series involving agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) who investigate terrorist activities in the city of Los Angeles. The characters were introduced in a two-part episode of ''[[NCIS]]'' titled "Legend, Parts I & II". The series premiered in North America in September of 2009.

'''The following weapons appear in the television series ''NCIS Los Angeles'':'''
[[Image:NCISLAS1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''NCIS Los Angeles'' (2009 - present)]]
__TOC__ 

=Pistols=

== SIG-Sauer P228 ==
The [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by NCIS Special Agents G. Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]), Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]), Dominic "Dom" Vail ([[Adam Jamal Craig]]), and Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]). Sam Hanna uses this to fire three times at a van that just performed a drive-by on Callen in the NCIS episode "Legend Pt. 2", and to disable an important terrorist. Director Leon Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) also uses one.

Luis Perez uses a Equinox styled P228 in 1x01. After Luis is incapacitated, Callen uses it to shoot one of his bodyguards. FBI agent John White uses one suppressed to try and shoot Tracy Keller ([[Marisol Nichols]]) after he used it earlier to assassinate a LAPD SWAT sniper.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P228]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-HANNA-SIG-P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) wielding his SIG.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-G.CALLEN-SIG-P228-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-KENZI-DOM-SIG-SAUER-P228.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi, and Dom with their [[SIG-Sauer P228]]'s.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-VANCE-SIG-P228-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Director Leon Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-SIG-P228-CUSTOM-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luis' custom P228 - [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Image:NCIS-LA-CLOSEUP-1x01-SIG-EQUINOX-HD-1.jpg Closeup]]]

[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI Agent John White about to shoot Tracy when Callen and the NCIS team converge on him, being shot.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Found in an Al Qaeda safehouse by G in "Anonymous".

[[Image:NCIS LA small arms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P226 pistol on the left next to an AKMSU.]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==
A Ministry of State Security (MSS) assassin in "Chinatown" has a suppressed SIG P229 with the K-Kote finish polished on the slide and a glossy shine, aimed at a retreating Kensi in the Chinatown district of Los Angeles before Sam takes him down to the ground.
[[Image:P229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P229]] - 9x19mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x16-P229-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MSS assassin with a suppressed P229 before Sam subdues him.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
In the NCIS: LA prequel episodes Legend Parts I &II, Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P239|SIG-Sauer P239]] to threaten a group of bangers.
[[Image:SigP239.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P239]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-KENZI-BLYE-SIG-SAUER-P229-HD-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) with her [[SIG-Sauer P239]] - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 17==
A two toned [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto with a 33rd magazine is used by a terrorist. Michael Rivikin also used the semi auto version of it. Callen disarms a milita member and uses his Glock 17 in "Ambush". Glock 17's are used by members of the counterfeiting ring in "Keepin' It Real". Callen disarms one of them and uses his G17 to dispatch two more. Military contractors use them in "Search and Destroy". Karim Akbar in "Callen, G" was armed with a Glock 17 when he was gunned down by G, Kensi and Sam. An assassin in "Overwatch" infiltrates the LA coroner's office with a silenced Glock 17, killing a morgue worker. In "Black Widow", an assassin diguised as a construction worker draws a silenced Glock 17 at Emma's SUV. Some of the mercenaries in "Archangel" use Glock 17s with Glock 19s. The same two toned Glock 17 with full auto fire's used in "Tin Soldiers". G is armed with a Glock 17 while disguised as a California Highway Patrol officer in "Empty Quiver".

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-CONVERTED-GLOCK-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Disabled terrorist and a converted, two-tone [[Glock 17]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aiming.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karim with the Glock before misfire by Amy struck the wall instead of him.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An assassin raising the silenced Glock 17, disguised as a construction worker.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA gundown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary shot by Kenzi and Deeks in "Archangel".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock pistol fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A gunman using the two toned Glock 17, firing full auto against G and Arkadi.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA duck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman ducking to avoid being hit. You can see the 33-round magazine.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G fires his Glock 17 at hijackers in "Empty Quiver".]]

==Glock 19==
Terrorist Yousef Kaleem uses a [[Glock 19]] to shoot at Callen and Hanna, before running dry and fleeing. Eugene Keelson is armed with a Glock in "Burned", never fired after he raised it to fire at Callen. A Glock 19 was found at a crime scene in "Disarmed". A few mercenaries uses them in "Archangel". Vekar uses one in "Personal" when he tries to take aim at Kensi.

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 19]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-GLOCK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yousef Kaleem with his [[Glock 19]] in 1x03.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Glock 19 pistol at Eugene Keelson's hand, kicked away by Callen.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Lieutenant Lance Talbot shoots Scott with a Glock 19 after disarming Mancuso.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The mercenary's Glock aimed at Hanna.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aim b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rear part of the mercenary's Glock.]]
[[Image:NCIA LA pistol eyecatch.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Glock 19 used by a mercenary in "Archangel"'s eyecatch.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA pistol kick.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vekar's Glock 19 kicked away by Kensi after Deeks shoots him from behind.]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] pistol is used by rogue SEAL Morris Raspen, and in a continuity error Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) also uses one. In "Chinatown", MSS agent Xue-Li ([[Elaine Kao]]) is armed with a suppressed Glock 26, although fake. Hetty carries one as her concealed carry in a jacket pocket. Callen carries a Glock 26 as his backup weapon which he keeps in an ankle holster, seen in "The Only Easy Day".
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 26]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RASPEN-GLOCK-27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Raspen with his [[Glock 26]], asking for a lacerated thumb.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-HANNA-GLOCK-27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna with a [[Glock 26]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the silenced Glock in Xue-Li's hands.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Hetty-Glock.26-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hetty pulls her Glock.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by miscellaneous LAPD officers, and bad guys in 1x01. Military contractors use them in 1x04, and Dominic "Dom" Vail ([[Adam Jamal Craig]]) uses one while posing as an LAPD officer in 1x05. Milita members were seen using them in "Ambush". In 1x20, Hassad Al-Jahiri ([[Faran Tahir]]) uses a 92FS against Callen and the other NCIS agents saving Kensi from being killed. Major Rick Medina, Army CID Major Rick Medina ([[Yancey Arias]]) in "Hunted" uses a 92FS as his sidearm and even tried to use it against G, Sam and Kensi after they realize he went rogue and was working with Keshwar. Amy in "Callen, G" fires one against Karim Akbar, wasting its bullets due to her having non-existent handgun training. Emma Mastin ([[Liane Balaban]]) is seen using a 92FS when defending herself from a hit team in ''Black Widow'', due to continuity errors, it switches to a Glock 26 depending on the angle. Marty Deeks ([[Eric Christian Olsen]]) uses it as his main sidearm as he is with the LAPD and merely assigned to the NCIS as a liaison officer. Deeks claims he likes it due to the manual safety saving his life when a Junkie grabbed it from him and that he can manually load the chamber if his magazines malfunction.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Deeks-Beretta.92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks holds his Beretta on three Russian GRU operatives.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-BERETTA-92FS-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LAPD officer ([[Peter Weireter]]) with his [[Beretta 92FS]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-CALLEN-BERETTA-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen using a borrowed [[Beretta 92FS]] to "kill" Hanna.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA 92FS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hassad Al-Jahiri aiming the 92FS at Callen.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA CID.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Major Rick Medina aiming the 92FS at a van containing suspects.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA holster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Medina reaching for his holster with the 92FS after G and the other NCIS agents find out he went rogue.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Emma.Mastin-92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Emma shooting through her car window at a member of the hit team.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5946==
The passenger uses a [[Smith & Wesson 5946]] in the initial shootout in "Identity". In "Callen, G", an Iranian gunman searching for G and "Amy" at an abandoned orphanage uses one as well.

[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson 5946 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-SMITHWESSON-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blue Tahoe passenger with a Smith & Wesson 5946.]]

[[Image:NCIS LA S&W pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Iranian gunman with the S&W 5946.]]

==Colt Officer's ACP==
A .45 [[M1911_pistol_series#Colt_Officer.27s_ACP|Colt Officer's ACP]] pistol was used by LAPD Detective Douglas Grozen ([[Rodney Rowland]]), a dirty undercover narcotics detective, to shoot his partner, and hold Callen, and Kurt Holgate ([[Matt Battaglia]]). It appears to be two-tone with a silver frame and wood grips.

[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Officer's ACP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-GROZEN-COLT-MK-IV-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Grozen ([[Rodney Rowland]]) with his Colt Officer. - .45]]

==Unidentified 1911==
A rogue Navy SEAL operator uses this unknown 1911 pistol in a raid against a local drug dealer.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified Stainless 1911]]

[[Image:NCIS Takavar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Iranian Takavar commando takes aim with a 1911 at Kenzi in "Dead Head".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==
Tommy Boyd ([[Kenny Johnson]]) uses a [[Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] to threaten the killer. The killer also uses one to shoot Jon Donnelly ([[David Monahan]]). A Taliban gunman in "Bounty" uses it at G and Callen.

[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x12-USP-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tommy Boyd ([[Kenny Johnson]]) with his USP Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Taliban gunman.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Taliban gunman aiming USP Compact at G and Callen.]]

==Ruger KP89==
The lead robber in the episode "Bank Job" uses a [[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger KP89|Ruger KP89]].
[[Image:RugerKP89.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger KP89|Ruger KP89]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-KP89-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The lead robber with his KP89.]]

==Ruger KP94==
Bulgarian gangster Ruman Marinov ([[Steve Bacic]]) carries a KP94 during "Burned", using it to shoot at Callen while he's undercover and at Sam, Kensi, and Renko when he attempts to kill Andres Werner. Then near the end of the episode, when he attempts to kill Callen he uses it with a suppressor.
[[Image:RugerP94.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Ruger_P-series_pistol#Ruger_P94|Ruger KP94DC]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x23-Marinov-RugerP94-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ruman Marinov uses a suppressed KP94, aiming for Callen before getting gunned down by Sam.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
Jun Lee ([[Tzi Ma]]) draws out a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] with Pachmayr grips to shoot Kensi in order to preserve his MSS cover.
[[Image:Colt-Detective-Special-Final-Gen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS LA S&W 66.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee with his Colt DS revolver.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece==
The killer uses this nickel-plated [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] snubnose to kill his first target, during the events of "Past Lives".
[[Image:M15M07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x12-REVOLVER-1.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The killer's nickel plated Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece. (Sharpened)]]

==Makarov PM==
Russian GRU operatives are seen using Makarovs throughout ''Deliverance''.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Makarov PM]] - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Makarov-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of three GRU operatives holds a Makarov on Kensi and Deeks.]]

==Rohrbaugh R9==
During the last scene of ''Deliverance'', when Hetty is placing the book in her safety deposit box, a Rohrbaugh R9 is seen.

[[Image:R9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Rohrbaugh R9]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Rohrbaugh-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Rohrbaugh R9 sits in Hetty's safety deposit box.]]

==Browning Buckmark==
Blonde Russian #1 ([[Nico Evers-Swindell]]), a Russian GRU operative uses a suppressed pistol he refers to as a "point-two-two" to murder a cop who pulled him over.

[[Image:NCIS.LA-Blonde.Russian-22.Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Showing the Buckmark to a highway patrol officer.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000==
Used by ISI agent Khan after his arrival in Afghanistan in "Bounty".

[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ISI agent Khan takes aim with a silenced P2000 at Callen.]]

==Walther PPK==
Used by ex-Stasi agent Mattias as his main sidearm in "Absolution".

[[Image:NCIS LA PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPK used by Mattias before G disarms him by shooting his arm.]]

==Beretta 950 Jetfire==
Used by a Hispanic gangster in "Personal" to gun down Deeks in a grocery store.

[[Image:NCIS LA closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The episode's eyecatch showing the Jetfire's barrel.]]

==Unknown revolver==

[[Image:NCIS LA revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Talbot executes Mancuso with Scott's revolver.]]

==Unknown pistol==

[[Image:NCIS Arkadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi aims his compact pistol at G.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Arkadi a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi holds up his pistol.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Arkadi surrender.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi surrendering after being cornered by Kensi.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks disarms the ex-con artist of his silenced pistol in "Empty Quiver".]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Micro Uzi==
The driver of the blue Tahoe in 1x01 uses a [[Micro Uzi]] during the initial shootout.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Micro Uzi]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-MICRO-UZI-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blue Tahoe driver with [[Micro Uzi]].]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==
A [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is used by Russians to perform a drive by on Callen in Legend Part 2. A gunman uses one in "Tin Soldiers".

[[Image:Mp9tmp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-SMG-HD-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drive-by shooter with [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA ambush.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing the MP-9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns are used by several members of the NCIS team sent to raid the warehouse. It is also used by several milita members in the episode "Ambush". MP5A2s with rails on the upper receiver and foregrip are used by ex-French GIGN operators turned mercenaries in "Empty Quiver". G and the other NCIS agents use MP5A4s with almost the same features used by the mercenaries with silencers attached on the barrels and red dot scopes with taclights.

[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] w/ SEF trigger group & Surefire light- 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS agent with a MP5A2.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5 rails.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An ex-GIGN operator turned mercenary gets shot by G after he gets out of the Land Rover SUV.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G SMG fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G guns down a mercenary guarding the stolen nuclear warhead.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Deeks SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks armed with the silenced MP5A4 during a raid on a factory.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Hanna SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hanna takes out a mercenary with the silenced MP5A4 during the raid.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
An [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] was used by Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) to shoot dirty narcotics detective Douglas Grozen in "The Only Easy Day". Also seen used by NCIS agents, and LAPD SWAT team officers in "LD50".
[[Image:Hk-mp5n.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-HANNA-HK-MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]].]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD6==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD6]] is used by a LAPD SWAT team member during the warehouse raid in "LD50".
[[Image:H&KMP5SD6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD6]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LAPD SWAT officer with a MP5SD6, another is visible with an M4A1.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
A few milita members were seen with this SMG in "Ambush". Bulgarian gangsters working for Ruman Marinov ([[Steve Bacic]]), carry MP5K's when meeting an undercover Callen and when ambushing a German CEO named Andres Werner who was being protected by Sam, Kensi, and Renko. In "Stand-off", they are used as primary weapons for bodyguards of arms dealer James Mason. They were used by Taliban gunmen to assassinate the son of an ex-Task Force 232 commando with G and Callen in "Bounty".

[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x23-Callen-MP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen with a borrowed MP5K during the first shootout with the Bulgarians.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bulgarian gangster with the MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another Bulgarian gangster with the MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Mason bodyguard armed with MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA dead.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dead Taliban gunmen with MP5Ks attached to slings.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
While not clearly seen, one of the agents preparing for the warehouse raid is seen with an [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]. Thierry ([[Waleed Zuaiter]]), a member of the hit team in ''Black Widow'' uses a MP5K-PDW in an attempt to neutralize the NCIS team defending Emma Mastin. Kensi ([[Daniela Ruah]]) and Marty Deeks use them during the rescue mission in "Borderline".

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Female NCIS agent with an MP5K-PDW.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Thierry-MP5K.PDW-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hit team member Thierry reacting to the poison Callen just injected him with.]]

==Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion==
Russian GRU operatives are seen using stockless [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]]s with 20-round magazines throughout ''Deliverance''.

[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion with 20-round magazine - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Skorpion-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two GRU operatives hold their Skorpions on Kensi and Deeks.]]

==Unknown SMG==

[[Image:NCIS LA SMG burst.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing submachine gun at Arkadi and G.]]

=Assault Rifles=

==Ruger AC556K==
A [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]] was used by drug dealers, and LAPD Detective Douglas Grozen to shoot at rogue Navy SEALs in 1x02.
[[Image:RugerAC556folder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]] - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RUGER-AC556-FOLDER-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Grozen with his borrowed [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RUGER-AC556-FOLDER-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drug dealer with his [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]].]]

==SIG SG 551==
Some SG 551's are used by ex-GIGN operators turned mercenaries in "Empty Quiver".

[[Image:NCIS LA ambush road.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary takes aim with a SG 551, stock folded.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA mercenary run.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary confronts Deeks, porting a SG 551.]]

==SIG SG 552==
A [[SIG SG 552]] is used by Sam, Kensi and miscellaneous NCIS agents in "Legend Pt. 2" (6x23) when they raid a terrorist cell's headquarters.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG SG 552]] - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KENZI-BLYE-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) exiting raid vehicle with her [[SIG SG 552]].]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko ([[Brian Avers]]) walking through the raid target.]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
A cache of [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] were going to be sold by an arms dealer named Liam To Michael Rivikin who was under cover. M4A1s are also used by Marine Corps personnel. Also notably used by Hanna, Kensi and Renko during 1x08 to provide overwatch and support for Callen as he is in a militia camp and by several militia members in the same episode. ATF tactical team members, LAPD SWAT officers, and NCIS agents also use M4A1s during the events of "LD50". In "Burned", Sam, Kensi and Renko use M4A1s in a shootout against Bulgarian gangsters. Marines and NCIS agents use M4A1s in "Borderline", the Marine's weapons having ACOG scopes and the agents using EOTech sights and brass catchers. Kensi, Sam and Deeks have M4A1s with a picatinny-equipped handguard that held vertical foregrip and scopes in "Black Widow". In "Borderland", Callen and Sam armed with a M4A1 that had a EOTech sight and vertical foregrip. NCIS tactical teams led by Hanna use M4A1s in "Personal".

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M4A1]] with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-M4-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[M4A1 Carbine]], C4 and extra ammunition.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marines with [[M4A1]]'s.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-RENKO-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko with his [[M4A1]]]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Sam.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam aiming the M4A1 at Bulgarian gangsters. The rifles the NCIS team are using in "Burned" also has a Surefire tactical flashlight attached on the rifle's foregrip in addition to a RIS foregrip and a Trijicon ACOG scope.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Kensi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi firing the M4A1 in single shot mode in "Burned", covering Mike after being shot.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Mike.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike firing the M4A1, covering Kensi's rear against Bulgarian gangsters in "Burned".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side view of Kensi's M4A1.]]
[[Image:NCIS team.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Sam, Deeks and Kensi armed with M4A1s in "Black Widow".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA tac teams.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS tac teams coverge in an abandoned warehouse.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
Several militia members are seen using [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-G36C-1.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Militia member with [[Heckler & Koch G36C]]. Several unknown weapons can also be seen in this image.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36K==
Several militia members are seen using [[Heckler & Koch G36K]] assault rifles in 1x08.
[[Image:H&K-G36K.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36K - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MILITIA-G36K-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Militia member with [[Heckler & Koch G36K]]. The other milita member has an M4A1 carbine.]]

==M16A1==
Several milita members are seen with [[M16A1]]s fitted with A2 variant style handgrips in "Ambush".
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm.]]

==Unknown AK Variant==
Unknown variants of the Kalashnikov series of rifles are seen in 1x03 being used by mannequins during a joint USMC/USAF training mission. During the opening of "Hunted", mercenaries masquerading as airport personnel barge into Army CID agents bringing Keshwar into Los Angeles, brandishing AKs. Several AK rifles are in an Al Qaeda safehouse when G and Callen raid it. A couple of AK rifles are used in "Empty Quiver" by the mercenaries posing as Pan Islamic Brotherhood jihadist terrorists.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-KALASHNIKOV.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mannequins with Kalashnikov rifles.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary fires an AK rifle at CID agents. This shot does not what kind of AK rifle the mercenaries are using.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKs.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several AK assault rifles found by G when he enters the Al Qaeda safehouse in downtown LA.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA PIB video.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A fake Jihadist in a propaganda video holds an AK assault rifle. The quality of the video makes it hard to describe what kind of AK variant it is.]]

==AKM==
Kalil Abramson ([[Carlo Rota]]) fires an AKM (disguised to look like AK-74) at Sam and Dom after arriving on the rooftop in "Found".
[[Image:NCIS LA AK fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kalil firing the AKM at Sam and Dom.]]

==AKMS==
Several [[AKMS]] rifles are used by Rashad 'Slide' Hollande's ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) gang as their main assault rifle in conducting gang warfare. The episode "Blood Brothers" call them [[AK-47]]s. In episode 21, "Found", Talib al Jihadiya terrorists were seen using the AKMS against G and the other NCIS agents trying to rescue Dom from their custody. Mercenaries in "Borderline" use AKMS rifles when Kensi and Deeks rescue the captured Marines, and Marine Lance Corporal Shelly Hastings uses one as well.

[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A cache of AKMS at Slide's hideout.]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMS a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James 'Junior' Dobbs ([[Paul James]]) takes aim with the AKMS at Slide, the latter daring the former for the murder of his Marine brother Gunnery Sergeant Wendell Dobbs.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TaJ terrorist rushing out to rooftop in "Found" with AKM.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKM a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TaJ terrorist firing AKM at Dom with one hand.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G AKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G, disguised as TaJ terrorist, raises AKM (partially unseen) at Kalil Abramson.]]

==AKMSU==

In "Anonymous", a couple of [[AK-47#AKMSU|AKMSU]] carbines are found by G and Callen during a raid on an Al-Quaeda safehouse in downtown LA. In "Bounty", AKMSUs are seen by Task Force 232 commandos in a photo during a briefing session, as well as being used as their main assault rifle.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKMSU 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AKMSU on a table when G passes by.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA small arms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AKMSU on the right next to a P226 pistol.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA photo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU rifles used by Task Force 232 commandos.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA photo 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another photo of Task Force 232 commandos armed with AKMSU rifles alongside ISI agent Jafar Khan.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Task Force 232 commando disguised as an Afghan native takes aim with the AKMSU at Khan from behind his back.]]

==FAMAS==

A gunrack behind Kensi had rifles that resembles FAMAS assault rifles.

[[Image:NCIS LA FAMAS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A gunrack behind Kensi with the FAMAS rifles.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Accuracy International AWM (Airsoft - Modified)==
In place of a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWM|Accuracy International AWM]], a customized [[WELL MB05 AWM APS2]] was used by Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) in 1x05.
Likely used since a blank firing rifle would be unnecessary for this scene.
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x05-SNIPER-RIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) with her rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x05-SNIPER-RIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) with her rifle.]]

==Remington 700P==
Seen with the corpse of LAPD SWAT sniper in "Stand-off".

[[Image:NCIS LA sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|700P rifle with the corpse of a LAPD SWAT sniper.]]

==Remington 700 SPS Varmint==
Jay ([[Owen Beckman]]) uses the [[Remington 700]] sniper rifle with custom camo paint until Callen commandeers it.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-CALLEN-SNIPER-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen with Jay's rifle. And Jay.]]

==Remington 770==
Damien Salerno ([[Brian Goodman]]) uses a [[Remington 770]] rifle to execute Mick Benelli ([[Mac Brandt]]) in the episode "The Bank Job".
[[Image:Remington770Sport.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 770 Sport with Black Synthetic Stock and factory package rings and Scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-SniperRifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side profile.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-SniperRifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Front end.]]

==SVD Dragunov==
A Russian GRU operative holds Callen at gunpoint with a Dragunov sniper rifle.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[SVD Dragunov]] - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Dragunov-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Unknown Sniper Rifle==
An NCIS sniper team is seen providing overwatch with unknown sniper rifles. It has yet to be confirmed, but it looks like an Accuracy International AE.

[[Image:NCIS.LA-NCIS.Sniper.Team-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-NCIS.Sniper.Team-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi using a silenced sniper rifle in "Empty Quiver".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced sniper rifle a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi after clearing her rifle and getting up from her position.]]

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 590==
A [[Mossberg 590]] is used by one of the robbers in "The Bank Job", it is handled by Hetty ([[Linda Hunt]]), who says she prefers it with a heat shield and Picatinny rails, and also says that the recoil is "a bitch." Also handled by Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]).
[[Image:Mossberg590.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Mossberg 590]] - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-Mossberg590-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the robbers with his Mossberg 590. This model has factory-equipped Ghost Ring sights.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-Hetty-Mossberg590-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Hetty making Nate noticeably uncomfortable.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
A [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] is used by one of the bank robbers in "The Bank Job". It has a heat shield, and vertical grip on the pump handle.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-Mossberg500Cruiser-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the robbers with his Mossberg 500 Cruiser.]]

==Maverick Model 88==
Used by ex-CIA/FBI agent Tracy Keller ([[Marisol Nichols]]) in "Stand-off" as her primary weapon. It is equipped with a heat shield on the receiver. I designated it the Maverick due to the Mossberg-style pump grip, no tang safety, and the flat tube end cap. It's also used by a mercenary in "Empty Quiver" to shoot Hanna in the chest, covered entirely by kevlar.

[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tracy firing the shotgun from her shoulder rig to take out a security camera.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aiming the shotgun at a Navy officer at a recruitment center in Los Angeles.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A good view of the shotgun in Tracy's hands on a shoulder rig.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary in "Empty Quiver" shoots Hanna square in the chest after stopping the Land Rover SUV.]]

=Heavy Weapons=

==M47 Dragon==
6 [[M47 Dragon]] missiles were stolen by a Marine, and given to an anti-immigration militia.

[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M47 Dragon 140mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-M47-DRAGON-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS files photos of M47 Dragon missiles on their main screen ''(Note the weapon on the right is actually an [[FGM-148 Javelin]])'']]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-M47-DRAGON-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Militia member handling an M47 Dragon missile.]]

==Spike==
James Mason in "Stand-off" takes aim with a fake Israeli Spike anti-armor rocket launcher. This has a riflescope on a picatinny railing, which is not true with the real model.

[[Image:NCIS LA Spike.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mason with a fake Spike anti-armor rocket launcher. The actual model does not have a picatinny railing nor can it be equipped with a riflescope.]]

==M79 grenade launcher==
A mercenary in Season 2's "Borderline" grabs an [[M79 grenade launcher]] to shoot at Kensi, Deeks and the rescued Marines, promoting Deeks to comment that it makes the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid look good. Fortunately, Marine backup arrives before he can kill anyone.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]

[[Category:Television]]
[[Category:Crime]]

NCIS: Los Angeles - Season 1

2011-03-02T05:34:32Z

Deathbunny: /* Glock 26 */

''NCIS: Los Angeles'' is an American television series involving agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) who investigate terrorist activities in the city of Los Angeles. The characters were introduced in a two-part episode of ''[[NCIS]]'' titled "Legend, Parts I & II". The series premiered in North America in September of 2009.

'''The following weapons appear in the television series ''NCIS Los Angeles'':'''
[[Image:NCISLAS1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''NCIS Los Angeles'' (2009 - present)]]
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=Pistols=

== SIG-Sauer P228 ==
The [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P228|SIG-Sauer P228]] is used by NCIS Special Agents G. Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]), Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]), Dominic "Dom" Vail ([[Adam Jamal Craig]]), and Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]). Sam Hanna uses this to fire three times at a van that just performed a drive-by on Callen in the NCIS episode "Legend Pt. 2", and to disable an important terrorist. Director Leon Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) also uses one.

Luis Perez uses a Equinox styled P228 in 1x01. After Luis is incapacitated, Callen uses it to shoot one of his bodyguards. FBI agent John White uses one suppressed to try and shoot Tracy Keller ([[Marisol Nichols]]) after he used it earlier to assassinate a LAPD SWAT sniper.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P228]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-HANNA-SIG-P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) wielding his SIG.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-G.CALLEN-SIG-P228-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-KENZI-DOM-SIG-SAUER-P228.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi, and Dom with their [[SIG-Sauer P228]]'s.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-VANCE-SIG-P228-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Director Leon Vance ([[Rocky Carroll]]) with his [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-SIG-P228-CUSTOM-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luis' custom P228 - [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Image:NCIS-LA-CLOSEUP-1x01-SIG-EQUINOX-HD-1.jpg Closeup]]]

[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI Agent John White about to shoot Tracy when Callen and the NCIS team converge on him, being shot.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
Found in an Al Qaeda safehouse by G in "Anonymous".

[[Image:NCIS LA small arms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P226 pistol on the left next to an AKMSU.]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==
A Ministry of State Security (MSS) assassin in "Chinatown" has a suppressed SIG P229 with the K-Kote finish polished on the slide and a glossy shine, aimed at a retreating Kensi in the Chinatown district of Los Angeles before Sam takes him down to the ground.
[[Image:P229.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P229]] - 9x19mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x16-P229-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MSS assassin with a suppressed P229 before Sam subdues him.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
In the NCIS: LA prequel episodes Legend Parts I &II, Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P239|SIG-Sauer P239]] to threaten a group of bangers.
[[Image:SigP239.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG-Sauer P239]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-KENZI-BLYE-SIG-SAUER-P229-HD-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) with her [[SIG-Sauer P239]] - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 17==
A two toned [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto with a 33rd magazine is used by a terrorist. Michael Rivikin also used the semi auto version of it. Callen disarms a milita member and uses his Glock 17 in "Ambush". Glock 17's are used by members of the counterfeiting ring in "Keepin' It Real". Callen disarms one of them and uses his G17 to dispatch two more. Military contractors use them in "Search and Destroy". Karim Akbar in "Callen, G" was armed with a Glock 17 when he was gunned down by G, Kensi and Sam. An assassin in "Overwatch" infiltrates the LA coroner's office with a silenced Glock 17, killing a morgue worker. In "Black Widow", an assassin diguised as a construction worker draws a silenced Glock 17 at Emma's SUV. Some of the mercenaries in "Archangel" use Glock 17s with Glock 19s. The same two toned Glock 17 with full auto fire's used in "Tin Soldiers". G is armed with a Glock 17 while disguised as a California Highway Patrol officer in "Empty Quiver".

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-CONVERTED-GLOCK-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Disabled terrorist and a converted, two-tone [[Glock 17]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aiming.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Karim with the Glock before misfire by Amy struck the wall instead of him.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An assassin raising the silenced Glock 17, disguised as a construction worker.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA gundown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary shot by Kenzi and Deeks in "Archangel".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock pistol fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A gunman using the two toned Glock 17, firing full auto against G and Arkadi.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA duck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman ducking to avoid being hit. You can see the 33-round magazine.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G fires his Glock 17 at hijackers in "Empty Quiver".]]

==Glock 19==
Terrorist Yousef Kaleem uses a [[Glock 19]] to shoot at Callen and Hanna, before running dry and fleeing. Eugene Keelson is armed with a Glock in "Burned", never fired after he raised it to fire at Callen. A Glock 19 was found at a crime scene in "Disarmed". A few mercenaries uses them in "Archangel". Vekar uses one in "Personal" when he tries to take aim at Kensi.

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 19]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-GLOCK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yousef Kaleem with his [[Glock 19]] in 1x03.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Glock 19 pistol at Eugene Keelson's hand, kicked away by Callen.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Lieutenant Lance Talbot shoots Scott with a Glock 19 after disarming Mancuso.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The mercenary's Glock aimed at Hanna.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock aim b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rear part of the mercenary's Glock.]]
[[Image:NCIA LA pistol eyecatch.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Glock 19 used by a mercenary in "Archangel"'s eyecatch.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA pistol kick.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vekar's Glock 19 kicked away by Kensi after Deeks shoots him from behind.]]

==Glock 26==
A [[Glock 26]] pistol is used by rogue SEAL Morris Raspen, and in a continuity error Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) also uses one. In "Chinatown", MSS agent Xue-Li ([[Elaine Kao]]) is armed with a suppressed Glock 26, although fake. Hetty carries one as her concealed carry in a jacket pocket. Callen carries a Glock 26 as his backup weapon which he keeps in an ankle holster, seen in "The Only Easy Day".
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Glock 26]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RASPEN-GLOCK-27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Raspen with his [[Glock 26]], asking for a lacerated thumb.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-HANNA-GLOCK-27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna with a [[Glock 26]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Glock b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the silenced Glock in Xue-Li's hands.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Hetty-Glock.26-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hetty pulls her Glock.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
A [[Beretta 92FS]] is used by miscellaneous LAPD officers, and bad guys in 1x01. Military contractors use them in 1x04, and Dominic "Dom" Vail ([[Adam Jamal Craig]]) uses one while posing as an LAPD officer in 1x05. Milita members were seen using them in "Ambush". In 1x20, Hassad Al-Jahiri ([[Faran Tahir]]) uses a 92FS against Callen and the other NCIS agents saving Kensi from being killed. Major Rick Medina, Army CID Major Rick Medina ([[Yancey Arias]]) in "Hunted" uses a 92FS as his sidearm and even tried to use it against G, Sam and Kensi after they realize he went rogue and was working with Keshwar. Amy in "Callen, G" fires one against Karim Akbar, wasting its bullets due to her having non-existent handgun training. Emma Mastin ([[Liane Balaban]]) is seen using a 92FS when defending herself from a hit team in ''Black Widow'', due to continuity errors, it switches to a Glock 26 depending on the angle. Marty Deeks ([[Eric Christian Olsen]]) uses it as his main sidearm as he is with the LAPD and merely assigned to the NCIS as a liaison officer. Deeks claims he likes it due to the manual safety saving his life when a Junkie grabbed it from him and that he can manually load the chamber if his magazines malfunction.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Deeks-Beretta.92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks holds his Beretta on three Russian GRU operatives.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-BERETTA-92FS-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LAPD officer ([[Peter Weireter]]) with his [[Beretta 92FS]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-CALLEN-BERETTA-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen using a borrowed [[Beretta 92FS]] to "kill" Hanna.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA 92FS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hassad Al-Jahiri aiming the 92FS at Callen.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA CID.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Major Rick Medina aiming the 92FS at a van containing suspects.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA holster.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Medina reaching for his holster with the 92FS after G and the other NCIS agents find out he went rogue.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Emma.Mastin-92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Emma shooting through her car window at a member of the hit team.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5946==
The passenger uses a [[Smith & Wesson 5946]] in the initial shootout in "Identity". In "Callen, G", an Iranian gunman searching for G and "Amy" at an abandoned orphanage uses one as well.

[[Image:S&W5946.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson 5946 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-SMITHWESSON-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blue Tahoe passenger with a Smith & Wesson 5946.]]

[[Image:NCIS LA S&W pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Iranian gunman with the S&W 5946.]]

==Colt Officer's ACP==
A .45 [[M1911_pistol_series#Colt_Officer.27s_ACP|Colt Officer's ACP]] pistol was used by LAPD Detective Douglas Grozen ([[Rodney Rowland]]), a dirty undercover narcotics detective, to shoot his partner, and hold Callen, and Kurt Holgate ([[Matt Battaglia]]). It appears to be two-tone with a silver frame and wood grips.

[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Officer's ACP - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-GROZEN-COLT-MK-IV-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Grozen ([[Rodney Rowland]]) with his Colt Officer. - .45]]

==Unidentified 1911==
A rogue Navy SEAL operator uses this unknown 1911 pistol in a raid against a local drug dealer.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unidentified Stainless 1911]]

[[Image:NCIS Takavar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Iranian Takavar commando takes aim with a 1911 at Kenzi in "Dead Head".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==
Tommy Boyd ([[Kenny Johnson]]) uses a [[Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] to threaten the killer. The killer also uses one to shoot Jon Donnelly ([[David Monahan]]). A Taliban gunman in "Bounty" uses it at G and Callen.

[[Image:USPCompact9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch USP Compact]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x12-USP-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tommy Boyd ([[Kenny Johnson]]) with his USP Compact - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Taliban gunman.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Taliban gunman aiming USP Compact at G and Callen.]]

==Ruger KP89==
The lead robber in the episode "Bank Job" uses a [[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger KP89|Ruger KP89]].
[[Image:RugerKP89.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Ruger P-series pistol#Ruger KP89|Ruger KP89]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-KP89-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The lead robber with his KP89.]]

==Ruger KP94==
Bulgarian gangster Ruman Marinov ([[Steve Bacic]]) carries a KP94 during "Burned", using it to shoot at Callen while he's undercover and at Sam, Kensi, and Renko when he attempts to kill Andres Werner. Then near the end of the episode, when he attempts to kill Callen he uses it with a suppressor.
[[Image:RugerP94.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Ruger_P-series_pistol#Ruger_P94|Ruger KP94DC]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x23-Marinov-RugerP94-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ruman Marinov uses a suppressed KP94, aiming for Callen before getting gunned down by Sam.]]

==Colt Detective Special==
Jun Lee ([[Tzi Ma]]) draws out a nickel [[Colt Detective Special]] with Pachmayr grips to shoot Kensi in order to preserve his MSS cover.
[[Image:Colt-Detective-Special-Final-Gen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Detective Special - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS LA S&W 66.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee with his Colt DS revolver.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece==
The killer uses this nickel-plated [[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] snubnose to kill his first target, during the events of "Past Lives".
[[Image:M15M07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Smith & Wesson Model 15]] - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x12-REVOLVER-1.2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The killer's nickel plated Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece. (Sharpened)]]

==Makarov PM==
Russian GRU operatives are seen using Makarovs throughout ''Deliverance''.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Makarov PM]] - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Makarov-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of three GRU operatives holds a Makarov on Kensi and Deeks.]]

==Rohrbaugh R9==
During the last scene of ''Deliverance'', when Hetty is placing the book in her safety deposit box, a Rohrbaugh R9 is seen.

[[Image:R9.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Rohrbaugh R9]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Rohrbaugh-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Rohrbaugh R9 sits in Hetty's safety deposit box.]]

==Browning Buckmark==
Blonde Russian #1 ([[Nico Evers-Swindell]]), a Russian GRU operative uses a suppressed pistol he refers to as a "point-two-two" to murder a cop who pulled him over.

[[Image:NCIS.LA-Blonde.Russian-22.Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Showing the Buckmark to a highway patrol officer.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000==
Used by ISI agent Khan after his arrival in Afghanistan in "Bounty".

[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ISI agent Khan takes aim with a silenced P2000 at Callen.]]

==Walther PPK==
Used by ex-Stasi agent Mattias as his main sidearm in "Absolution".

[[Image:NCIS LA PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|PPK used by Mattias before G disarms him by shooting his arm.]]

==Beretta 950 Jetfire==
Used by a Hispanic gangster in "Personal" to gun down Deeks in a grocery store.

[[Image:NCIS LA closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The episode's eyecatch showing the Jetfire's barrel.]]

==Unknown revolver==

[[Image:NCIS LA revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''Highlight for Spoilers:''' Talbot executes Mancuso with Scott's revolver.]]

==Unknown pistol==

[[Image:NCIS Arkadi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi aims his compact pistol at G.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Arkadi a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi holds up his pistol.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Arkadi surrender.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Arkadi surrendering after being cornered by Kensi.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced pistol b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks disarms the ex-con artist of his silenced pistol in "Empty Quiver".]]

=Submachine Guns=

==Micro Uzi==
The driver of the blue Tahoe in 1x01 uses a [[Micro Uzi]] during the initial shootout.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Micro Uzi]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-1x01-MICRO-UZI-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blue Tahoe driver with [[Micro Uzi]].]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==
A [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is used by Russians to perform a drive by on Callen in Legend Part 2. A gunman uses one in "Tin Soldiers".

[[Image:Mp9tmp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-SMG-HD-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drive-by shooter with [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]].]]
[[Image:NCIS LA ambush.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing the MP-9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
Several [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] submachine guns are used by several members of the NCIS team sent to raid the warehouse. It is also used by several milita members in the episode "Ambush". MP5A2s with rails on the upper receiver and foregrip are used by ex-French GIGN operators turned mercenaries in "Empty Quiver". G and the other NCIS agents use MP5A4s with almost the same features used by the mercenaries with silencers attached on the barrels and red dot scopes with taclights.

[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] w/ SEF trigger group & Surefire light- 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS agent with a MP5A2.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5 rails.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An ex-GIGN operator turned mercenary gets shot by G after he gets out of the Land Rover SUV.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G SMG fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G guns down a mercenary guarding the stolen nuclear warhead.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Deeks SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deeks armed with the silenced MP5A4 during a raid on a factory.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Hanna SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hanna takes out a mercenary with the silenced MP5A4 during the raid.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
An [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] was used by Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) to shoot dirty narcotics detective Douglas Grozen in "The Only Easy Day". Also seen used by NCIS agents, and LAPD SWAT team officers in "LD50".
[[Image:Hk-mp5n.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-HANNA-HK-MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]].]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD6==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD6]] is used by a LAPD SWAT team member during the warehouse raid in "LD50".
[[Image:H&KMP5SD6.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD6]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LAPD SWAT officer with a MP5SD6, another is visible with an M4A1.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
A few milita members were seen with this SMG in "Ambush". Bulgarian gangsters working for Ruman Marinov ([[Steve Bacic]]), carry MP5K's when meeting an undercover Callen and when ambushing a German CEO named Andres Werner who was being protected by Sam, Kensi, and Renko. In "Stand-off", they are used as primary weapons for bodyguards of arms dealer James Mason. They were used by Taliban gunmen to assassinate the son of an ex-Task Force 232 commando with G and Callen in "Bounty".

[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-1x23-Callen-MP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen with a borrowed MP5K during the first shootout with the Bulgarians.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bulgarian gangster with the MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another Bulgarian gangster with the MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA MP5K c.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Mason bodyguard armed with MP5K.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA dead.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dead Taliban gunmen with MP5Ks attached to slings.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
While not clearly seen, one of the agents preparing for the warehouse raid is seen with an [[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]. Thierry ([[Waleed Zuaiter]]), a member of the hit team in ''Black Widow'' uses a MP5K-PDW in an attempt to neutralize the NCIS team defending Emma Mastin. Kensi ([[Daniela Ruah]]) and Marty Deeks use them during the rescue mission in "Borderline".

[[Image:MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x14-MP5K-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Female NCIS agent with an MP5K-PDW.]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-Thierry-MP5K.PDW-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hit team member Thierry reacting to the poison Callen just injected him with.]]

==Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion==
Russian GRU operatives are seen using stockless [[Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion]]s with 20-round magazines throughout ''Deliverance''.

[[Image:CZ Vz.61.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Sa. Vz.61 Skorpion with 20-round magazine - .32 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Skorpion-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two GRU operatives hold their Skorpions on Kensi and Deeks.]]

==Unknown SMG==

[[Image:NCIS LA SMG burst.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing submachine gun at Arkadi and G.]]

=Assault Rifles=

==Ruger AC556K==
A [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]] was used by drug dealers, and LAPD Detective Douglas Grozen to shoot at rogue Navy SEALs in 1x02.
[[Image:RugerAC556folder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]] - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RUGER-AC556-FOLDER-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Grozen with his borrowed [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x02-RUGER-AC556-FOLDER-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drug dealer with his [[Ruger_Mini-14#Ruger_AC-556|Ruger AC556K]].]]

==SIG SG 551==
Some SG 551's are used by ex-GIGN operators turned mercenaries in "Empty Quiver".

[[Image:NCIS LA ambush road.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary takes aim with a SG 551, stock folded.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA mercenary run.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary confronts Deeks, porting a SG 551.]]

==SIG SG 552==
A [[SIG SG 552]] is used by Sam, Kensi and miscellaneous NCIS agents in "Legend Pt. 2" (6x23) when they raid a terrorist cell's headquarters.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[SIG SG 552]] - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KENZI-BLYE-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) exiting raid vehicle with her [[SIG SG 552]].]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko ([[Brian Avers]]) walking through the raid target.]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
A cache of [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbines]] were going to be sold by an arms dealer named Liam To Michael Rivikin who was under cover. M4A1s are also used by Marine Corps personnel. Also notably used by Hanna, Kensi and Renko during 1x08 to provide overwatch and support for Callen as he is in a militia camp and by several militia members in the same episode. ATF tactical team members, LAPD SWAT officers, and NCIS agents also use M4A1s during the events of "LD50". In "Burned", Sam, Kensi and Renko use M4A1s in a shootout against Bulgarian gangsters. Marines and NCIS agents use M4A1s in "Borderline", the Marine's weapons having ACOG scopes and the agents using EOTech sights and brass catchers. Kensi, Sam and Deeks have M4A1s with a picatinny-equipped handguard that held vertical foregrip and scopes in "Black Widow". In "Borderland", Callen and Sam armed with a M4A1 that had a EOTech sight and vertical foregrip. NCIS tactical teams led by Hanna use M4A1s in "Personal".

[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[M4A1]] with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-M4-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[M4A1 Carbine]], C4 and extra ammunition.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marines with [[M4A1]]'s.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-RENKO-M4-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko with his [[M4A1]]]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Sam.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam aiming the M4A1 at Bulgarian gangsters. The rifles the NCIS team are using in "Burned" also has a Surefire tactical flashlight attached on the rifle's foregrip in addition to a RIS foregrip and a Trijicon ACOG scope.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Kensi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi firing the M4A1 in single shot mode in "Burned", covering Mike after being shot.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 Mike.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike firing the M4A1, covering Kensi's rear against Bulgarian gangsters in "Burned".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA M4A1 side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side view of Kensi's M4A1.]]
[[Image:NCIS team.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Sam, Deeks and Kensi armed with M4A1s in "Black Widow".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA tac teams.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS tac teams coverge in an abandoned warehouse.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
Several militia members are seen using [[Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-G36C-1.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Militia member with [[Heckler & Koch G36C]]. Several unknown weapons can also be seen in this image.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36K==
Several militia members are seen using [[Heckler & Koch G36K]] assault rifles in 1x08.
[[Image:H&K-G36K.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36K - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MILITIA-G36K-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Militia member with [[Heckler & Koch G36K]]. The other milita member has an M4A1 carbine.]]

==M16A1==
Several milita members are seen with [[M16A1]]s fitted with A2 variant style handgrips in "Ambush".
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm.]]

==Unknown AK Variant==
Unknown variants of the Kalashnikov series of rifles are seen in 1x03 being used by mannequins during a joint USMC/USAF training mission. During the opening of "Hunted", mercenaries masquerading as airport personnel barge into Army CID agents bringing Keshwar into Los Angeles, brandishing AKs. Several AK rifles are in an Al Qaeda safehouse when G and Callen raid it. A couple of AK rifles are used in "Empty Quiver" by the mercenaries posing as Pan Islamic Brotherhood jihadist terrorists.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x03-MISC-KALASHNIKOV.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mannequins with Kalashnikov rifles.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary fires an AK rifle at CID agents. This shot does not what kind of AK rifle the mercenaries are using.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKs.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several AK assault rifles found by G when he enters the Al Qaeda safehouse in downtown LA.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA PIB video.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A fake Jihadist in a propaganda video holds an AK assault rifle. The quality of the video makes it hard to describe what kind of AK variant it is.]]

==AKM==
Kalil Abramson ([[Carlo Rota]]) fires an AKM (disguised to look like AK-74) at Sam and Dom after arriving on the rooftop in "Found".
[[Image:NCIS LA AK fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kalil firing the AKM at Sam and Dom.]]

==AKMS==
Several [[AKMS]] rifles are used by Rashad 'Slide' Hollande's ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) gang as their main assault rifle in conducting gang warfare. The episode "Blood Brothers" call them [[AK-47]]s. In episode 21, "Found", Talib al Jihadiya terrorists were seen using the AKMS against G and the other NCIS agents trying to rescue Dom from their custody. Mercenaries in "Borderline" use AKMS rifles when Kensi and Deeks rescue the captured Marines, and Marine Lance Corporal Shelly Hastings uses one as well.

[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|450px|AKMS, stamped steel receiver w/ slant muzzle brake and under-folding stock - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A cache of AKMS at Slide's hideout.]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMS a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James 'Junior' Dobbs ([[Paul James]]) takes aim with the AKMS at Slide, the latter daring the former for the murder of his Marine brother Gunnery Sergeant Wendell Dobbs.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TaJ terrorist rushing out to rooftop in "Found" with AKM.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKM a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|TaJ terrorist firing AKM at Dom with one hand.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA G AKM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|G, disguised as TaJ terrorist, raises AKM (partially unseen) at Kalil Abramson.]]

==AKMSU==

In "Anonymous", a couple of [[AK-47#AKMSU|AKMSU]] carbines are found by G and Callen during a raid on an Al-Quaeda safehouse in downtown LA. In "Bounty", AKMSUs are seen by Task Force 232 commandos in a photo during a briefing session, as well as being used as their main assault rifle.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|350px|AKMSU 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AKMSU on a table when G passes by.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA small arms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An AKMSU on the right next to a P226 pistol.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA photo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU rifles used by Task Force 232 commandos.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA photo 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another photo of Task Force 232 commandos armed with AKMSU rifles alongside ISI agent Jafar Khan.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA AKMSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Task Force 232 commando disguised as an Afghan native takes aim with the AKMSU at Khan from behind his back.]]

==FAMAS==

A gunrack behind Kensi had rifles that resembles FAMAS assault rifles.

[[Image:NCIS LA FAMAS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A gunrack behind Kensi with the FAMAS rifles.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Accuracy International AWM (Airsoft - Modified)==
In place of a [[Accuracy International Arctic Warfare series#AWM|Accuracy International AWM]], a customized [[WELL MB05 AWM APS2]] was used by Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) in 1x05.
Likely used since a blank firing rifle would be unnecessary for this scene.
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x05-SNIPER-RIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) with her rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x05-SNIPER-RIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee Wuan Kai ([[Kelly Hu]]) with her rifle.]]

==Remington 700P==
Seen with the corpse of LAPD SWAT sniper in "Stand-off".

[[Image:NCIS LA sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|700P rifle with the corpse of a LAPD SWAT sniper.]]

==Remington 700 SPS Varmint==
Jay ([[Owen Beckman]]) uses the [[Remington 700]] sniper rifle with custom camo paint until Callen commandeers it.

[[Image:NCIS-LA-CALLEN-SNIPER-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Callen with Jay's rifle. And Jay.]]

==Remington 770==
Damien Salerno ([[Brian Goodman]]) uses a [[Remington 770]] rifle to execute Mick Benelli ([[Mac Brandt]]) in the episode "The Bank Job".
[[Image:Remington770Sport.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 770 Sport with Black Synthetic Stock and factory package rings and Scope - .30-06]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-SniperRifle-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side profile.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-SniperRifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Front end.]]

==SVD Dragunov==
A Russian GRU operative holds Callen at gunpoint with a Dragunov sniper rifle.
[[Image:SVD Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[SVD Dragunov]] - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-GRU-Dragunov-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Unknown Sniper Rifle==
An NCIS sniper team is seen providing overwatch with unknown sniper rifles. It has yet to be confirmed, but it looks like an Accuracy International AE.

[[Image:NCIS.LA-NCIS.Sniper.Team-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS.LA-NCIS.Sniper.Team-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced sniper rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi using a silenced sniper rifle in "Empty Quiver".]]
[[Image:NCIS LA silenced sniper rifle a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi after clearing her rifle and getting up from her position.]]

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 590==
A [[Mossberg 590]] is used by one of the robbers in "The Bank Job", it is handled by Hetty ([[Linda Hunt]]), who says she prefers it with a heat shield and Picatinny rails, and also says that the recoil is "a bitch." Also handled by Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]).
[[Image:Mossberg590.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Mossberg 590]] - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-Mossberg590-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the robbers with his Mossberg 590.]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-1x15-Hetty-Mossberg590-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Hetty making Nate noticeably uncomfortable.]]

==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
A [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] is used by one of the bank robbers in "The Bank Job". It has a heat shield, and vertical grip on the pump handle.
[[Image:Mossbergcruiser1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]] - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-Mossberg500Cruiser-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the robbers with his Mossberg 500 Cruiser.]]

==Maverick Model 88==
Used by ex-CIA/FBI agent Tracy Keller ([[Marisol Nichols]]) in "Stand-off" as her primary weapon. It is equipped with a heat shield on the receiver. I designated it the Maverick due to the Mossberg-style pump grip, no tang safety, and the flat tube end cap. It's also used by a mercenary in "Empty Quiver" to shoot Hanna in the chest, covered entirely by kevlar.

[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Tracy firing the shotgun from her shoulder rig to take out a security camera.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aiming the shotgun at a Navy officer at a recruitment center in Los Angeles.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA Shotgun b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A good view of the shotgun in Tracy's hands on a shoulder rig.]]
[[Image:NCIS LA shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary in "Empty Quiver" shoots Hanna square in the chest after stopping the Land Rover SUV.]]

=Heavy Weapons=

==M47 Dragon==
6 [[M47 Dragon]] missiles were stolen by a Marine, and given to an anti-immigration militia.

[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M47 Dragon 140mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-M47-DRAGON-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS files photos of M47 Dragon missiles on their main screen ''(Note the weapon on the right is actually an [[FGM-148 Javelin]])'']]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-M47-DRAGON-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Militia member handling an M47 Dragon missile.]]

==Spike==
James Mason in "Stand-off" takes aim with a fake Israeli Spike anti-armor rocket launcher. This has a riflescope on a picatinny railing, which is not true with the real model.

[[Image:NCIS LA Spike.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mason with a fake Spike anti-armor rocket launcher. The actual model does not have a picatinny railing nor can it be equipped with a riflescope.]]

==M79 grenade launcher==
A mercenary in Season 2's "Borderline" grabs an [[M79 grenade launcher]] to shoot at Kensi, Deeks and the rescued Marines, promoting Deeks to comment that it makes the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid look good. Fortunately, Marine backup arrives before he can kill anyone.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|550px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm]]

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[[Category:Crime]]

NCIS: Naval Criminal Investigative Service

2011-03-02T05:31:36Z

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'''#4 LARGEST TELEVISION PAGE ON THE SITE'''

''NCIS'' is an American procedural series featuring agents of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigating criminal cases involving military personnel in the Navy and Marine Corps. Most of the characters were introduced in the Season 8 episodes of ''[[JAG]]'' titled "Ice Queen" and "Meltdown". It premiered as a weekly series on CBS in September of 2003. ''[[NCIS Los Angeles]]'' is a spinoff of ''NCIS'' and several ''NCIS:LA'' characters were introduced in the Season 6 episodes "Legend Part I" and "Legend Part II".

'''The following weapons can be seen in the television series ''NCIS'':'''
[[Image:NCISCover.jpg|right|thumb|400px|NCIS (2003-present)]]

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=Pistols=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The [[SIG-Sauer P228]] is the main sidearm of nearly all the NCIS agents on the show including Special Agents Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]), Anthony DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]), Timothy McGee ([[Sean Murray]]), Caitlin Todd ([[Sasha Alexander]]) and Ziva David ([[Cote de Pablo]]). CGIS (Coast Guard Investigative Service) Special Agents Abigail Borin (Diane Neal) and Kyle Omagi (Eddie Shin) also are seen carrying SIG-Sauer P228's in Season 7's "Jurisdiction", although they would in reality carry a P239 DAK or a P229 DAK in some cases. FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen carrying a SIG-Sauer P228 in some episodes, notably "Identity Theft". In a flashback to an assassination operation in Paris in Season 5's "Judgment Day parts 1 & 2", Gibbs uses a suppressed SIG-Sauer P228 to kill ex-KGB assassin turned contract killer Anatoli Zukov.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P228 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 22002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) with his P228 in Season 3's "Bloodbath".]]
[[Image:NCIS 005.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 2 episode "Chained", Gibbs pulls his P228.]]
[[Image:NCIS 004.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]) also pulls her P228 in "Chained".]]
[[Image:NCIS 006.JPG|thumb|none|500px|McGee ([[Sean Murray]]) fires his P228 in the Season 2 finale "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCISS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo ([[Michael Weatherly]]) with his P228 in the season 3 episode "Switch".]]
[[Image:NCIS 007.JPG|thumb|none|500px|DiNozzo with his P228 in the Season 3 episode "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCIS 008.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Ziva ([[Cote de Pablo]]) has her P228 out in the Season 3 episode "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Director Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) checks her SIG in Season 3's "Bait".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 501.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Lost and Found" (S5E09), Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) fires a SIG-Sauer P228 into her water tank to perform a ballistics test, while a Boy Scout from McGee's troop looks on with a grin (after Ziva and Tony have expressed some concern up in the squadroom about leaving a minor in Abby's care).]]
[[Image:NCIS-ZIVA-7x11-P228.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva draws her P228 in Season 7's "Ignition" (S7E11).]]

==SIG-Sauer P229==
In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS (Naval Investigative Service, the immediate predecessor to NCIS) Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P229]] on arms dealer Arkady Kobach - in Franks' own words, a "scary S.O.B." that kept him awake for 15 years.
[[Image:SIG-SauerP229TwoTone.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P229]] - 9x19mm, .357 SIG & .40 S&W]]
[[Image:NCIS34 509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", retired NIS Agent Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) holds a [[SIG-Sauer P229]]. '''Arkady''': "You think you are the first person to point a gun at me?" '''Franks''': "No, but I will be the last."]]
[[Image:NCIS34 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SIG.]]

==SIG-Sauer P239==
In the NCIS episodes "Legend, Part I" and "Legend, Part II", NCIS Special Agent Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P239|SIG-Sauer P239]] to threaten a group of bangers.
[[Image:SigP239.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P239 40 S&W]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-KENZI-BLYE-SIG-SAUER-P229-HD-1.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Kenzi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]) with her SIG-Sauer P239 - 9mm]]

== SIG-Sauer P220R ==
A suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series#SIG P220|SIG-Sauer P220R]] with a stainless finish is used by Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) to threaten Anna Real ([[Tania Raymonde]]) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".

[[Image:SigP220RSilver.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P220R stainless .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guyman Purcell ([[Anthony Heald]]) holds a suppressed stainless-steel SIG P220R to threaten Anna Real (Tania Raymonde) in Season 2's "Eye for an Eye".]]

==AMT Backup==
In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster.
[[Image:AMT BackupRight.jpg|thumb|none|300px|AMT Backup II with stainless steel finish - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS7 33.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", Ziva is seen carrying an [[AMT Backup]] pistol in an ankle holster. Note that the holster appears to have been made for a revolver.]]

==Beretta 85F==
In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]] to shoot a man she thought was going to attack her. In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) is seen holding the Beretta on her partner in crime.
[[Image:Beretta85FNickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCIS1 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Forced Entry" (S2E09), Laura Rowens (Megan Ward) uses a [[Beretta 85F]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Conspiracy Theory", Catherine Reynolds (Brigid Brannagh) tries to shoot her partner in crime as she is arrested, but finds that the weapon is unloaded.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
The [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta 92FS]] (used in lieu of the Beretta M9) appears as the issued sidearm of various military personnel and in the hands of various characters throughout the series. In Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1", terrorist Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds Dr. Mallard's assistant, Gerald, hostage with one. Gibbs also keeps one in his car during the events of "Kill Ari: Part 2," as it is seen while he and Jenny are staking out Ari's safe house. Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) pulls a Beretta in the later Season 3 episode, "Boxed In". Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) is seen carrying a [[Beretta 92FS]] and notably uses it in Season 4's "Sharif Returns". In Season 6's "Deliverance," Ziva fires one on a Marine weapons range and claims to prefer the SIG. She also upsets the misogynistic range sergeant on duty, who doesn't expect women to know anything about handguns, by showing him his sight is off by a few millimeters. In Season 8's "Enemies Domestic", during his flashbacks to his first mission in Amsterdam, Director Vance is seen with one. It's seen in "Defiance" where a US Marine uses it to confront a suicide bomber.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta M9 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS3 21.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Missing", Major Joe Sacco ([[Derek Webster]]) holds his Beretta as he looks for Dinozzo in the sewer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22024.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds a Beretta on Gerald in Season 3's "Kill Ari, Part 1".]]
[[Image:NCIS 22014.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Port Security Chief Matthew Lake ([[Daniel Roebuck]]) holds a Beretta in Season 3's "Boxed In".]]
[[Image:NCIS34 503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the Season 4 premiere, "Shalom," Gibbs uses a Beretta to check out a possible terrorist's safe house, after he has retired from NCIS and relinquished his SIG.]]
[[Image:NCISS4 70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Colonel Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) of the Army CID (Criminal Investigation Division) pulls her [[Beretta 92FS]] in Season 4's "Sharif Returns".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 508.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Corporal Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) aims a stolen Beretta at Gibbs in a rehab facility in Season Five's "Corporal Punishment."]]
[[Image:NCIS US Marine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A US Marine confronts a suicide bomber in "Defiance".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer, stating it's "Homie's best friend 9mm, it's Italian, 15 plus 1 in da tube". Another one with pearl grips (possibly the same one) is used by the first mate on the Damocles in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". It is also used by the occasional adversary, sometimes equipped with a suppressor, notably in the Season 5 episode 'Designated Target'.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS Inox 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] to a customer.]]

==Beretta Cougar==
In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a defecting North Korean agent uses a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar|Beretta 8040 Cougar F]] to execute two members of her sleeper cell. While examining it in her laboratory, Abby embarks on a brief segue on a critics' description of the .40 S&W round as a "Short and Wimpy," when measured against the 10mm Autoload.

[[Image:8000 Cougar F Inox.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 8045 Cougar - 9mm (however, the weapon that appears in the Season 3 episode "Light Sleeper" is an Inox variant in .40 S&W caliber, of slightly different appearance.'']]
[[Image:NCIS12 404.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Light Sleeper," a Marine Sergeant's .40 caliber [[Beretta Cougar]] lays on the car seat. ]]
[[Image:NCIS12 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby carries the Beretta Cougar.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
A [[Browning Hi-Power]] was seen and mentioned in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Commercial Browning Hi-Power Mark III 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva shows Abby how to properly stand while holding a Browning Hi-Power in Season 3's "Iced."]]

==Colt Government ==
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in the store of the CIA informant Mamoun Sharif (Enzo Cilenti). Gibbs mentions that the handgun is ".38 Super, Colt", which means it's a Colt model chambered in .38 Super.
[[Image:ColtGovernmentModel.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Colt Government Model M1911A1 - .45 ACP - similar to the Colt Super .38]]
[[Image:NCIS1 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Sandblast", Gibbs finds a [[M1911 pistol series#Colt Government|Colt Government Model]] handgun in Sharif's (Enzo Cilenti) things.]]
[[Image:JackknifeBHP_&Q.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Jack Knife", former Marine Damon Werth ([[Paul Telfer]]) is seen carrying a Colt, which is put on a table when he's searched.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 34.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth uses his Colt to pop open a bottle.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 35.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Werth with the Colt.]]

==Colt MK IV Series 80==
An engraved [[Colt MK IV Series 80]] is drawn by Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) in Season 4's "Once A Hero".
[[Image:ColtMkIVSilver DeNiro Machete.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Custom engraved nickel plated Colt MKIV Series 80 with pearl grips - .45 ACP. Though the slide is marked "MK IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame.]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen ([[Ming Lo]]) with his Colt]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 5.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Davey Chen places the Colt on the ground]]

==CZ 83==

A suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is briefly seen when Namir Eschel ([[Eyall Podell]]) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".
[[Image:CZ83 Pistol.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|CZ 83 .380 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS34 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A suppressed [[CZ 83]] pistol is seen when Namir Eschel ([[Eyall Podell]]) has a pillow put over his head in Season 4's premiere "Shalom".]]

==Flintlock Pistol==
Several [[Flintlock Pistol]]s as well as other pirate treasure are found in a storage locker in Season 7's "Jurisdiction".
[[Image:NCISS6 5107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] is another frequently used handgun in the series. In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) is seen pulling a Glock. In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) keeps a Glock in her home. When she, Tony, and Kate catch her daughter's boyfriend hiding in a closet, Kate jokes to Gibbs, "probably not the first time he's snuck in, but I guarantee you, the last." In Season 4's "Faking It", Glocks are carried by DC-Metro Police. DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) draws a Glock 17 in Season 5's "Stakeout". [[Glock 17]]s with silver slides (like the full-auto-converted one below) are used by two gang members in Season 6's "Deliverance". Mossad Officer Michael Rivikin ([[Merik Tadros]]) pulls a [[Glock 17]] on Callen during the the Season 6's "Legend, Part 2." Ziva is seen using a Glock in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Ex-Army Ranger-turned-mercenary Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]) pulls his Glock 17 on Gibbs after his arrival in Mexico in Season 7's "Patriot Down" (S7E23). Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) uses a Glock to shoot an intruder in Season 8's "Short Fuse". A terrorist attempts to dual-wield two Glock 17s in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" but is gunned down by Tony and Ziva. Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon (T.J. Ramini), Amit Hadar (Arnold Vosloo) and Liat Tuvia (Sarai Givaty) use Glock 17s as their sidearms when they accompany Eli David to Washington D.C. NCIS Director uses a Glock 17 taken from Hadar in "Enemies Domestic".

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|3rd Generation Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", FBI Special Agent Tobias Fornell ([[Joe Spano]]) pulls a Glock.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 421.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave," Navy Lt. Commander Michaela "Micki" Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]]) pulls her Glock.]]
[[Image:NCISS5 503.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Stakeout", DC-Metro Detective Andrea Sparr ([[Gretchen Egolf]]) is seen carrying a Glock 17 as her sidearm.]]
[[Image:NCIS pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs under the barrel of a Glock in Season 7's "Patriot Down".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) holds a Glock in Season 8's "Short Fuse".]]
[[Image:NCIS akimbo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Palestinian terrorist wielding dual Glock 17s.]]
[[Image:NCIS shoot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat guns down a Palestinian terrorist after he aims his sidearm at her.]]
[[Image:NCIS Vance Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vance takes Hadar's Glock 17 after being wounded in an explosion.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-toned Glock 17 converted to full auto with a 33 round magazine is used by the lead terrorist Haziq Khaleel ([[Nick Tarabay]]) in an attempt at repelling the OSP raid team.
[[Image:Glock 17machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm - (converted to full-auto)]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-CONVERTED-GLOCK-17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Legend, Part 2", a two-tone [[Glock 17]] falls out of the hand of a wounded terrorist.]]

==Glock 17L==
In Season 2's "Witness" (S2E14), a [[Glock#Glock 17L|Glock 17L]] was found in the convertible sofa bed used by Petty officer Keith Dylan/Robert J. Thorn. It was misidentified as a SIG-Sauer and can be clearly seen in multiple other scenes as a Glock, most clearly when being test-fired into a bullet capture chamber by Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]).
[[Image:G17l.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17L - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Glock in its' case]]
[[Image:NCIS2 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby fires the Glock in her lab]]

==Glock 19==
The [[Glock#Glock 19|Glock 19]] is used by numerous characters in the series. NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero".

Mike Franks uses one in the rescue of his daughter in law in Season 4's "Iceman".

NCIS Director Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) is also seen trying to give La Grenouille ([[Armand Assante]]) a Glock in Season 5's "Bury the Dead".

[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS S4 8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|NCIS Special Agent Michelle Lee ([[Liza Lapira]]) while undercover is seen holding a Glock in Season 4's "Once A Hero".]]

==Glock 21==
In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 21|Glock 21]] during a shootout at the beginning of the episode. After they are dead he picks up the dead guy's Smith and Wesson Tactical 9x19mm and wipes his Glock 21 for prints and puts it the hands of the dead terrorist.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 21 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:DeadreckoningGlock.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) wipes his Glock 21 clean of prints before planting it on a dead terrorist]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000 SK==
In Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1", Mike Franks gives Jenny Shepard ([[Lauren Holly]]) a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_P2000#H.26K_P2000SK|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK]] to use. Franks says the gun is a clean, with no registration number and is the one Jenny uses when engaging the shooters in the diner.
[[Image:H&KP2000SK left.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000 SK - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-5x18-HKP2000SK-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shepard holding Franks' P2000 SK in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP (two-tone)==
Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] .45 ACP with two-tone finish. ]]
[[Image:NCIS7 211.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Daniel Cryer ([[Erik Palladino]]) pulls a two-tone [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] on Ziva in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04). ]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy Palmer from his car. Oddly, the gun that appears in his hand during Jimmy's flashback to their first encounter is a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].

In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall when he sees that Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) has the drop on him.

In Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop," the captain of the merchant ship ''Damocles'' uses one, almost shooting his first mate and holding it on Ziva before being shot from behind.
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:NCIS6 117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), Tesla (James Logan) pulls a [[Jericho 941]] on Jimmy from his car, his gun revealed to be a "Baby Eagle" instead of a full-sized [[Desert Eagle]].]]
[[Image:NCIS34 507.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Faking It", Russian arms dealer Arkady Kobach ([[V.J. Foster]]) lets his [[Jericho 941]] fall.]]
[[Image:GoodcopbadcopJericho_941.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|The captain of the ''Damocles'' takes cover with his Jericho 941 before being found by Mossad]]

==Kahr P9==
In Season 3's "Untouchable", a Kahr P9 is found next to a dead female Naval officer.
[[Image:KarhK9SS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Kahr K9 9x19mm with stainless steel finish - other side]]
[[Image:NCIS2 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Untouchable", a Kahr P9 is photographed for evidence. Note the extended magazine.]]

==Kimber Custom==
Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) uses a [[M1911 pistol series#Kimber Custom|Kimber Custom]] in the Season 5 episodes "Judgment Day, Part 1" and "Judgment Day, Part 2". It has a Crimson Trace grip-mounted laser sight which is seen in use at least once. He also uses one (possibly the same one) in the Season 6 episode "Deliverance", the season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" and the Season 8 premiere "The Spider and the Fly". This seems to be his "signature" weapon.

[[Image:KimberCustomTLEII Plain.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|Kimber Custom TLE II - .45 ACP. This version has no rails and is the version used in the Television show ''[[Unit, The|The Unit]]'']]
[[Image:NCIS6 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Franks ([[Muse Watson]]) uses a [[M1911 pistol series|Kimber Custom]] in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1" (S5E18).]]
[[Image:NCISS4 5606.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==M1911A1==
In Season 2's "Vanished" (S02E03) Marine helicopter pilot Captain Rod Newell ([[Rob Boltin]]) carries a [[M1911A1]] while hiding out in the Virginia forest and stalking his brother's murderer.
In Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07), Iwo Jima veteran Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) brings his [[M1911A1]] to NCIS headquarters to turn himself in for possibly murdering a fellow Marine.
In Season 2's "Dark Water", private investigator Monroe Cooper ([[Mike Starr]]) is caught faking the murder of an accident victim, using a M1911A1 from the home of the primary "suspect."
In Season 4's "Escaped", (S4E02), retired Navy sailor Mickey Stokes ([[Hal Holbrook]]) has his old M1911A1 stolen from him and then later pointed at him by Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|300px|none|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS1 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Yost's M1911A1 in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07)]]
[[Image:NCIS34 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Petty Officer Derrick Paulson ([[Brandon Barash]]) holds the [[M1911A1]] on Mickey Stokes in Season 4's "Escaped" (S4E02).]]

==Magnum Research Desert Eagle==
In Season 5's "About Face" (S5E17), criminal Tesla Suskavcevic (James Logan) opens fire on Jimmy Palmer (Brian Dietzen) with a [[Desert Eagle]] sporting a stainless steel finish. Oddly, when Tesla is confronted at the end of the episode, his gun is a [[Jericho 941]], or "Baby Eagle." Aside from the possibility that he owns two pistols, it is also possible that the Desert Eagle that appears in Jimmy's memory is a trick of his imagination, making the gun he saw appear much bigger than it really was. This is consistent with the theme of the episode, emphasizing how shaken Jimmy is after being shot at. In Season 6's "Judgment Day", a gang member uses one but is gunned down by Mike Franks.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Desert Eagle .50 AE with stainless steel finish]]
[[Image:NCIS6 116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jimmy visualizes Tesla's (James Logan) Desert Eagle in Season 5's "About Face".]]

==Magnum Research Micro Eagle==
A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's premiere "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:NCIS-Paloma-Pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Magnum Research Micro Eagle is used by Paloma Reynosa ([[Jacqueline Obradors]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Makarov PM==
In his first appearance, Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) uses a [[Makarov PM]] equipped with a suppressor to hold Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]), Gerald, and Ducky ([[David McCallum]]) hostage in Season 1's "Bête Noire" (S01E16).
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Russian '''Makarov PM''' 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:NCIS2 12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) holds his Makarov on Kate.]]

==Para Ordnance Companion C7.45==
In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series|Para Ordnance C7.45]] (as evidenced by the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger).
[[Image:Para Ordinance P-12 45.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Para-Ordnance P12, similar to C7.45]]
[[Image:NCIS1 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Chained", Tony uses a [[M1911 pistol series|Para Ordnance C7.45]]. Note the factory Para grips and the LDA hammer and trigger.]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:NCISS5 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "South by Southwest", a [[Ruger Mk I]] is used to assassinate an NCIS agent.]]

==SIG P230==
CGIS Special Agent Abigail Borin ([[Diane Neal]]) is armed with a SIG P230 as her off-duty weapon in "Ships in the Night".

[[Image:NCIS compact sig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Borin armed with the P230 while checking the cruise ship.]]
[[Image:NCIS compact sig a.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of Borin holding the P230.]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a S&W 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight". In Season 3's "Jeopardy", James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with a [[Smith & Wesson 5900 pistol series#Smith & Wesson 5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]]. In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20), CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) takes a [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] from a terrorist that he shot after planting his Glock on the dead guy. Used by a police officer in "Kill Screen".

[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|James Dempsey ([[Connor Trinneer]]) holds NCIS Director Sheperd ([[Lauren Holly]]) hostage with the Smith & Wesson 5906.]]
[[Image:NCIS police officer.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A policeman takes aim at a man after he finds teeth and finger parts inside a purse.]]
[[Image:S&W5906LateModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Vincent's Smith & Wesson 5906 from ''[[Collateral]]'' - 9x19mm. This is a screen used gun. Note the late model 5906 pistols have the rounded trigger guard. ]]
[[Image:NCIS3 22.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist, disguised as a trooper, uses a 5906 to gun down the naval officers in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 23.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The naval officers are taken out.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] is seen in the hands of a terrorist taken out by Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" (S6E20).]]
[[Image:Deadreckoningpicksup.JPG‎|thumb|none|500px|Kort takes the 5906 from a slain terrorist. Note the S&W's hammer.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 701.jpg|thumb|none|500px|CIA Agent Trent Kort ([[David Dayan Fisher]]) pulls his [[Smith & Wesson 5906]] in "Dead Reckoning".]]

==Taurus PT92C==
The North Korean sleeper agent Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".
[[Image:Taurus-PT92CS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT92CS - Stainless version of the Compact PT92C - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 22007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Yoon Dawson ([[Esther Chae]]) holds a suppressed [[Taurus PT92|Taurus PT92C]] in Season 3's "Light Sleeper".]]

==Taurus PT945==
A [[Taurus PT945]] is seen in the hands of an intruder that is shot by Marine Sergeant Heather Dempsey ([[Abby Brammell]]) in Season 8's "Short Fuse".
[[Image:945SS.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Taurus PT945 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NCISS8 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCISS8 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Tokarev==
A Tokarev pistol is seen in photos in "A Man Walks into a Bar" as a murder weapon.

[[Image:TT-33.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Tokarev TT-33 - 7.62x25mm Tokarev. Tula Arsenal (Soviet Union) Note CCCP printing around the star on the plastic grips]]

[[Image:NCIS Tokarev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows Gibbs photos of a Russian-made Tokarev pistol.]]

==Tower Lancers Pistol==
In Season 7's "Reunion", a 19th Century Tower Lancers Pistol is used by a suspect to shoot a man that the NCIS team was looking for.
[[Image:NCISS7 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows a photo of the Tower Lancers Pistol.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Tower Lancers Pistol is seen in the case in Season 7's "Reunion".]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]), Gibbs former CO, owns and uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma" (S01E15).
[[Image:WaltherPPKS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Walther PPK/S stainless - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:NCIS2 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) uses an Interarms imported [[Walther PPK/S]] in Season 1's "Enigma".]]
[[Image:NCIS2 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Walther]]

==Walther P99==
A kidnapper is seen about to use a suppressed [[Walther P99]] on a kidnapped Marine right before Gibbs and the team breach the room in Season 3's "Honor Code".
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 9mm. Note the ramped trigger guard, small slide serrations, closed and proprietary accessory rail, short magazine release and slightly more curved 'tail' of the pre-2004 models.]]
[[Image:NCISS3 002.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the Walther in "Honor Code".]]

=Revolvers=
==Colt Detective Special==
A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".
[[Image:ColtDS.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:NCISS5 505.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Colt Detective Special]] 3rd Gen is held by Dennis in Season 5's "Stakeout".]]

==Colt Python==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is seen showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer. A snubnosed version was held on Ziva while undercover in Season 6's "Recoil", and was used by her to shoot a serial killer.
[[Image:ColtPython6In.jpg‎ |thumb|300px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS56 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer is showing a [[Colt Python]] to a customer.]]

==Colt 1860 Army==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[Colt 1860 Army]] revolver.
[[Image:1860Army.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt 1860 Army .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Judd Kearns (Byrne Offutt) unwraps the Colt 1860 from its wrappings in the coffin.]]

== LeMat 1861 ==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a coffin is unearthed containing several weapons from the Civil War, including a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 current reproduction - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Thieves unwrap the LeMat 1861 revolver.]]

==Ruger GP100==
In Season 2's "Pop Life" (S2E16), club owner Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) is seen using a [[Ruger GP100]] to threaten one of his dancers, Samantha "Jade" King (Mya Harrison). In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.
[[Image:GP101.jpg|thumb|none|325px|Ruger GP100, Stainless Version - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the revolver.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ian Alfred "Bulldog" Hitch ([[Steven Brand]]) pulls the Ruger on Jade in Season 2's "Pop Life".]]

[[Image:NCISS7 5509.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Cover Story", a blued Ruger is used to threaten Abby.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 10==
In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] that may have been used in a Navy lieutenant's murder. DiNozzo calls it a "Smith & Wesson. 38 Kit".
[[Image:S&W-Model-10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Smith & Wesson Model 10 HB Revolver .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5126.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Capitol Offense", McGee falls into a small pond where he finds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]].]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5127.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
In the Season 3 episode "Deception," a security guard holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] on Ziva and Tony, but Ziva kicks the weapon out of his hands.
[[Image:S%26WModel19-4Inch.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 magnum.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 37==
Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) carries a Model 37 with a black finish in an ankle holster as his backup weapon. In the Season 3 episode "Mind Games", he uses it to threaten sadistic serial killer Kyle Boone ([[Christopher Shyer]]). In the later Season 3 episode "Probie," he gives it to McGee, whose weapon has been temporarily confiscated, to back Gibbs up as they go to question a suspect.

A nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is used to kill a bully on a Navy base in the Season 6 episode "Hide & Seek". Checking out its violent history causes Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) to label it an "Evil gun" and describe it as possessed: used in at least convenience store hold-ups, and was used to commit a crime each time it changed hands.

[[Image:M37AirLeft.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith and Wesson Model 37 Airweight - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS 22025.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds his backup S&W to the head of Boone in Season 3's "Mind Games".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 711.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight]] revolver is found in a box in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 712.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby tries to lift the curse off the S&W in Season 6's "Hide & Seek".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 713.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the S&W.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04). A 637 is also used by Ziva in Season 5's "Recoil".
[[Image:S&WModel637.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight (Stainless Steel Version of the Model 37) Current production - .38 Special]]
[[Image:NCIS34 506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight|Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight]] revolver is found on the floorboard of a car by DC police in Season 4's "Faking It" (S4E04).]]
[[Image:NCISS5 502.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the S&W in "Recoil".]]
[[Image:NCISS5 504.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses the 637 in Season 5's "Recoil".]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 60 ==
In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60]]
[[Image:NCIS12 416.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Terminal Leave", DiNozzo is seen carrying a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] as his backup weapon when jogging with a Navy commander.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] is said to have been used by Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) to shoot NCIS Agent Chris Pacci in Season 1, Episode 19 "Dead Man Talking." Gibbs referred to it as being "small, and easy to conceal." However, this is an error since the image of the gun that flashes on the lab screen (a stock product photo from the S&W catalog) is a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]], not the Model 66. The Model 60 is much more concealable than the larger framed Model 66. The 66 is also pulled by distraught housewife Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) in Season 2's "Terminal Leave". One is used by "kidnappers" in "Defiance".

[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66]]
[[Image:NCIS3 20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Amanda Reed (Jamie Luner) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Dead Man Talking".]]
[[Image:NCIS12 418.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Greta Boyen (Rebecca Staab) points a snub [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] at Micki Shields ([[Mary Page Keller]])]]
[[Image:NCIS12 419.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Micki's husband David (Sean O'Bryan) tries to talk Greta down.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 408.jpg|thumb|none|500px|ATF Special Agent Melinda Stone ([[Bellamy Young]]) holds the S&W in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]
[[Image:NCIS hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A S&W 66 used by a "kidnapper".]]
[[Image:NCIS table.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same S&W 66 used by the kidnapper placed aside on a table.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 340PD ==
Ziva carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 340PD]] as her backup gun, which she carries in an ankle holster and she once dual wielded along with her SIG in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning". She is also seen briefly handling it before going undercover in Season 8's "Dead Air".
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Model 340PD.jpg|350px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 340PD - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS7 205.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Dead Reckoning", Ziva pulls her backup S&W 340PD from her ankle holster.]]
[[Image:NCISS5 716.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva with the 340 drawn in her left and her SIG in her right.]]
[[Image:NCIS7 208.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva fires the S&W 340.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 627 ==
Natasha Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds a [[Smith & Wesson Model 627]] on Gibbs and Franks in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part II".
[[Image:S&W627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Performance Center 627 .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS6 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lenkov (Kathleen Gati) holds her Model 627 on Gibbs & Franks.]]

==Webley Mk IV==
A [[Webley Mk IV]] revolver was used by CIA station chief Loretta Tennison in Season 8's "Royals & Loyals".
[[Image:Webley-MK-4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Webley Mk.IV WW2 British Army version chambered for .38 S&W]]

[[Image:NCIS Webley.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Webley Mk. IV in the hands of CIA station chief Loretta Tennison.]]

==Unknown revolver==
Used by a murder victim's brother in "False Witness" to intimidate her murderer.

[[Image:NCIS revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The murder victim's brother, aiming the revolver.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==FN P90==
Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses an [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop". Two P90s are also visible in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:FNP90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale P90 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mossad Officer Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) uses a [[FN P90]] during the firefight on the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
The three men that accompany Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" use [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5Ks]] during the ensuing shootout.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5K 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCISS7 310.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A guard that accompanies Jason Dean to the airport in the Season 7 finale "Rule Fifty-One" uses his [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] during the ensuing shootout.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW==
In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), an Al Qaeda sleeper takes a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] from the armory of Air Force One. Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|MP5K 9x19mm with the PDW-style folding stock attached, commonly used in films to emulate the PDW. The real MP5K-PDW, illustrated below, is distinctive in having the longer barrel and the newer trigger group.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the series premiere "Yankee White" (S1E01), Gibbs finds MP5K-PDW's in the Air Force One armory. This episode was filmed on the same set used for ''[[Air Force One]]'', a film which Gibbs even mentions in the episode.]]
[[Image:NCIS1 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The sleeper is taken down while holding the MP5K-PDW.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 7's "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary" are seen in a polaroid picture.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
SRT members are seen carrying [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]'s during the hostage situation at the school in Season 3's "Bait". Russian special forces posing as pirates in Season 5's "Chimera" also carry [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]s with dedicated forends and Navy trigger groups.
[[Image:SWATMP5.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with forend weapon light and Navy trigger group]]
[[Image:NCIS3 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Russian_1.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" has the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] slung as he prepares to board the ship in Season 5's "Chimera".]]
[[Image:Russian_2.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A Russian "pirate" with his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the Navy trigger group.]]
[[Image:Russian_3.JPG|thumb|none|500px|The Russian "pirate" leader ([[Graham McTavish]]) holds his [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A2|Heckler & Koch MP5A2]]. Note the dedicated forend.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors. In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs goes undercover as an arms dealer, and uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]]. Several are also seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:MP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Enigma", Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] from one of his captors.]]
[[Image:NCIS 001.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Split Decision", Gibbs displays a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] while undercover.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary" seen in Season 7's "Power Down".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7==
In the Season 7 episode "Power Down", two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s can be seen hanging on a wall of the "sanctuary".
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point sight - 4.6x30mm.]]
[[Image:Sanctuary 7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s, a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A3|Heckler & Koch MP5A3]], and an [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] in the "sanctuary"]]

==Beretta M12==
Alejandro Rivera uses a [[Beretta M12]] to shoot up the safe house in season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:Beretta_M12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M12 9x19mm]]

[[Image:NCIS M12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cocking the M12 prior to being fired.]]

==IMI Uzi==
Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|350px|IMI Uzi 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 2004.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva uses a full size [[Uzi]] during the firefight aboard the ''Damocles'' in Season 7's "Good Cop, Bad Cop" (S7E04).]]

==IMI Micro Uzi==
Ziva uses a [[Micro Uzi]] in a flashback to a Mossad Kidon assassination in Paris in Season 4's "Shalom" (SE01).

==Intratec TEC-9==
In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client, saying "TEC-9, full auto, empty a clip in 4 seconds" and encourages him to fire it, the burst hitting the roof of the abandoned warehouse and causing the body of an already-slain Marine to fall through the skylight. It was also seen in Season 3's "Iced".
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Deliverance", a gun dealer shows an [[Interdynamic KG-9 / Intratec TEC-9|Intratec TEC-9]] to a potential client.]]

==Skorpion SA Vz.61==
A terrorist in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning" uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] to shoot at Trent Kort before being killed by him. Kort then uses the Skorpion to shoot another terrorist. While usually chambered in .32 ACP, there is evidence that Vz61 clone pistols were chambered in .380 in the 1980's.
[[Image:Skorpion-SA-VZ-61.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Skorpion SA Vz.61 .32 ACP]]
[[Image:NCIS7 204.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Trent Kort uses a [[Skorpion SA Vz 61]] in Season 6's "Dead Reckoning".]]

==Brügger & Thomet MP-9==
A [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]] is used by Russians to perform a drive by on OSP Agent Callen ([[Chris O'Donnell]]) in Legend Part 2.
[[Image:Mp9tmp.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Brügger & Thomet MP-9 9x19mm]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-SMG-HD-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drive-by shooter with [[Steyr_TMP#Brügger & Thomet MP-9|Brügger & Thomet MP-9]].]]

=Rifles=
==AKM==
The [[AK-47#AKM|AKM]] is a frequent weapon used by terrorists and suspects in the series.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up on the NCIS team with an AKM in Season 1's "Seadog".]]

==AKMS==
In the Season 2 finale "Twilight", several terrorists can be seen firing [[AK-47#AKMS|AKMS]] rifles at Gibbs and the team to no avail. The weapon is also used by various other characters in the series.
[[Image:AKMS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKMS 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 011.JPG|thumb|none|500px|A terrorist opens up with an AKMS in Season 2's "Twilight".]]

==Arisaka Type 99 Rifle==
Most of the Imperial Japanese soldiers are seen with the [[Arisaka Rifle|Type 99 Arisaka Rifle]] as Ernie Yost ([[Charles Durning]]) remembers his time on Iwo Jima in Season 2's "Call of Silence" (S2E07).
[[Image:Arisaka-Type-99.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Arisaka Type 99 battle rifle - 7.7x58mm]]
[[Image:NCIS1 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Enfield Pattern 1853==
The [[British 1853 Enfield|Enfield Pattern 1853]] rifle is carried by Union re-enactors in Season 3's "Silver War".
[[Image:1853enfield.jpg|thumb|none|400px|British 1853 Enfield.]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
Two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s can be seen in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Sanctuary_5.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Two [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]]s and two [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]]s inside the "sanctuary".]]

==Henry 1860==
In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.
[[Image:Henry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Henry 1860 brass-frame - .44 Rimfire (RF).]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Silver War", a [[Henry 1860]] lever action rifle is seen used by a Civil War reenactor.]]

== M4A1 Carbine ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] can be seen used by various US Military personnel and gunmen throughout the series. In Season 5's "In The Zone" (S5E15), Tony carries an M4A1 during his investigation in Iraq. Two are visible on a rack in the "sanctuary" in Season 7's "Power Down".
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with RIS foregrip and M68 Aimpoint scope]]
[[Image:NCIS-LA-MISC-M4-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M4A1 Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS56 06.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", Tony carries an M4A1 during his investigation in Iraq.]]

== M16A2 Rifle ==
The [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2 rifle]] is notably carried by US Marines as well as other characters throughout the series.
[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M16A2 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS1 104.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS56 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "In The Zone", a Marine behind Special Agent Nikki Jardine is seen carrying the M16A2.]]

==Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistol==
Smugglers are seen firing [[M16|Rocky Mountain Arms Patriot Pistols]] at Tony and Ziva in Season 3's "Boxed In".
[[Image:NCIS 22011.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Patriot Pistol with a CTAC red-dot sight. Unnecessary for an AR-15 variant without a front sight.]]

==Ruger Mini-14==
In the Season 3 episode "Ravenous", a scoped [[Ruger Mini-14]] is carried by Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]). Gibbs also used the Mini-14 to shoot Park Ranger James Landis in the butt.
[[Image:Ruger-Mini-14.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Blued Ruger Mini-14 Standard Model Semiautomatic Rifle (Pre-2005) with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS3 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Park Ranger James Landis ([[Todd Allen]]) with his Ruger Mini-14 in Season 4's "Ravenous".]]
[[Image:NCIS3 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the scoped Mini-14. This shot is seen in the opening credits of the show.]]

==SIG SG 551==
Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly". Dual SIG SG 551 rifles are used to act as a machine gun post before Liat and Gibbs shoot out its control mechanism.

[[Image:Sig-551.jpg|thumb|none|450px|SIG SG 551 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCISS8 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Reynosa Cartel soldiers use [[SIG SG 551]] assault rifles to shoot up the country store owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]
[[Image:NCIS rigged machine guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Liat and Gibbs shoot the control mechanism of the SG 551 machine gun post.]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] is used by Sam, Kensi and other NCIS agents in Season 6's "Legend Pt. 2" (6x23) when they raid a garage that is the headquarters of a suspected terrorist cell. Drug cartel gunmen are armed with this as well.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KENZI-BLYE-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kensi Blye ([[Daniela Ruah]]), Renko and another NCIS agent exiting raid vehicle armed with the SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:SAM-HANNA-SIG-552-HD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Hanna ([[L.L. Cool J]]) slings his SIG SG after switching to his secondary, a [[SIG-Sauer P228]].]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x23-SIG-552-HD-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike Renko ([[Brian Avers]]) walking through the raid target with his SIG SG 552.]]
[[Image:NCISS7 304.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Drug cartel gunmen with SG 552s when they were cornered by Mexican Federal Police officers.]]

==Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine==
In Season 3's "Silver War", Union re-enactors are seen with the [[Springfield 1873 "Trapdoor" Carbine]].
[[Image:UmbertiTrapdoorCarbine.jpg‎ ‎|thumb|none|500px|Replica Springfield Model 1873 '''Cavalry Carbine''' "Trapdoor Springfield" built by Uberti Arms - .45-70]]
[[Image:NCIS34 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Union soldier re-enactors fire the Trapdoor carbine.]]

==Winchester 1873==
The [[Winchester Model 1873]] is used by Gibbs in Season 6's "South by Southwest" (though it is incorrectly referred to as a Henry rifle) to shoot down a helicopter. A Winchester is also owned by Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]), who keeps it loaded on the wall. In Season 7's "Faith", Jackson mentions that he had to use his Winchester to kill someone trying to rob his store. He also holds it on Paloma Reynosa when she confronts him in his store in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".

[[Image:Winchester1873.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1873 .44-40]]
[[Image:Sxsw lever action.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs lining up his shot with the Vernier sight.]]
[[Image:NCIS-6x17-RIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closer shot.]]
[[Image:NCISS8 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jackson Gibbs ([[Ralph Waite]]) holds the Winchester on Paloma in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

==Remington 7400==
Used by a suspect in Season 8's "Dead Air" to murder a Navy commander and two radio station employees.

[[Image:NCIS 7400.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby shows Gibbs a picture of the 7400.]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 SUV.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Taking the 7400 from the trunk of a Ford Explorer.]]
[[Image:NCIS 7400 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The 7400 with a riflescope and a sling.]]

=Sniper Rifles=
==Accuracy International L96A1==
The [[Accuracy International L96A1]] is one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Accuracy International Arctic Warfare Magnum]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Blaser 93 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", the wannabe sniper can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]], equipped with a bipod and custom muzzle brake. It is also one of the sniper rifles Abby test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Blaser 93 sniper rifle 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS2 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "One Shot, One Kill", the wannabe sniper can be seen armed with a [[Blaser 93 sniper rifle]], equipped with a bipod and custom muzzle brake.]]
[[Image:NCIS 22018.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby test-fires the Blaser in "Kill Ari, Part I".]]

==Bravo 51==
The [[Remington_Model_700|Bravo 51]] is featured prominently in the first 2 episodes of Season 3. Gibbs says the rifle is referred as a 'Kate', it was first used by Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) in the Season 2 finale "Twilight". In Season 3's premiere episodes, "Kill Ari, Parts I and II", Ari is seen handling one again. In Part I, it's also one of the weapons Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab as well as handled by Gibbs.
[[Image:Bravo51-1.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Bravo 51 7.62x51 NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 010.JPG|thumb|none|500px|"Sorry, Caitlin." Ari Haswari ([[Rudolf Martin]]) with the Bravo 51. Ari is using a non-MIL dot scope, making the long distance shot with the "KATE" much harder.]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
Ziva can be seen using a suppressed SL8 in the season 7 episode "Rule Fifty-One". She uses it to provide sniper cover when DiNozzo and McGee try to arrest Jason Paul Dean ([[Dylan Bruno]]). She later uses the weapon unsupressed and loaded with blanks to flush out a kidnapper in Season 8's "Worst Nightmare".
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|300px|thumb|[[Heckler & Koch SL8]] - .223 Remington/5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:NCIS7 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva providing overwatch and sniper support for Tony and McGee in the season 7 finale, ''Rule Fifty One''.]]

==M40A1 Sniper Rifle==
An [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A1 sniper rifle]] appears in the episodes "Kill Ari Part 1" and "Kill Ari Part 2". It is the rifle used by Gibbs in his Marine days and he now keeps it in a case in his basement. He also uses it during the rescue mission in Season 7's premiere "Truth or Consequences", killing 2 terrorists at long range. It was also one of the weapons tested by Abby to see if it was used by Ari to kill Kate. It is presumed that a different M40A1 then that currently in Gibbs' basement was used by him to avenge the murder of his wife and daughter. He used said rifle to shoot their killer from long range (in excess of 700 yards), through the windshield of a moving pick up.
[[Image:M40a1standard-1-.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS 22022.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs with the M40A1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]

==M40A3 Sniper Rifle==
A Marine Corps [[Remington 700#M40 Sniper Rifle|M40A3 sniper rifle]] is another rifle Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:M40a3.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M40A3 sniper rifle with Harris bipod 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:NCIS_22020.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the M40A3 in "Kill Ari, Part I."]]

== Remington 700 BDL ==
A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".
[[Image:Remington-Model-700-BDL 308.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope (current production) - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:NCISS2 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A scoped [[Remington 700]] BDL rifle is held by Ritt Everett ([[Timothy Bottoms]]) in Season 2's "Vanished".]]

==Remington 700PSS==
In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle. Ziva uses one while covering Ducky in Season 4's "Blowback".
[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]
[[Image:NCIS3 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Bait", an SRT sniper is seen with the [[Remington 700PSS]] rifle.]]
[[Image:NCIS-Ziva-4x14-Rifle-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ziva covers Ducky with the Remington 700PSS and a night vision scope in Season 4's "Blowback".]]

==Tango 51==
A Tango 51 is an Tac-Ops accurized and blue-printed Remington M700 action, designed for high accuracy shooting. It is one of the sniper rifles Abby Sciuto ([[Pauley Perrette]]) test-fires in her lab in "Kill Ari, Part I".
[[Image:Tango51a.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Tango 51]]
[[Image:NCIS 22023.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Shotguns=

==Benelli M4 Super 90==
Some of Drantyev's men are seen carrying [[Benelli M4 Super 90]] shotguns in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Benelli_m4_2.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|Benelli M4 Super 90 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 108.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Thugs approaching the Diner with their Benellis]]

==12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun==
A [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun]] is a murder weapon in Season 6's "Family". The team enters a garage where the "CyberVid Killer" is forced to hold a double-barreled shotgun in Season 6's "Murder 2.0". Gibbs swings one shut and hands it to Franks in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".
[[Image:StevesSBS1960s.jpg|thumb|none|350px|1960s Era Commercial Stevens hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 6's "Family", DiNozzo is seen with the 12 gauge double barrel.]]
[[Image:NCISS6 5116.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A 12 Gauge hammerless shotgun is seen in Season 6's "Murder 2.0".]]
[[Image:NCISS8 13.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds the Double Barreled shotgun in Season 8's "The Spider and the Fly".]]

== Heckler & Koch FABARM ==
Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".
[[Image:Heckler and koch shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch FABARM -12 Gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS6 106.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Viggo Drantyev ([[Oleg Taktarov]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch FABARM FP6|Heckler & Koch FABARM]] shotgun when entering the diner in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part I".]]
[[Image:NCIS6 109.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" ==
A [[Mossberg 590]] Compact Cruiser is grabbed by a kidnapper in Season 3's "Honor Code".
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS 22016.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper grabs the 590 in Season 3's "Honor Code".]]

==Remington 870==
The [[Remington 870]] is used in numerous episodes by the NCIS agents. In Season 2's finale "Twilight" (S2E26), Gibbs ([[Mark Harmon]]) uses the 870 to flush out the terrorists in the warehouse. Kate ([[Sasha Alexander]]) uses it during the shootout before running out of ammo and tossing it to take a bullet for Gibbs. In Season 3's "Ravenous", a [[Remington 870 Shotgun|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot ]] shotgun is used by Gibbs as the team hunts a fugitive in the woods.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police Magnum Riot Version 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS3 27.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate holds the empty Remington in Season 2's "Twilight".]]
[[Image:NCIS 009.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs holds the 870 on a suspect in Season 3's "Ravenous".]]

==Remington 870 Police==
Kate is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police version with a dedicated forend weapon light to wound a suspect that took her SIG in Season 1's "UnSEALed".
[[Image:Model870P MAXlg.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 16.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate takes out the Remington. Note the ejection port.]]
[[Image:NCIS3 17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kate fires the 870 in Season 1's "UnSEALed".]]

==Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun"==
In Season 4's "Sandblast", Lt. Col. Hollis Mann is seen using a [[Remington 870]] Police Entry Gun fitted with a saddle shell holder and forend weapon light when raiding a suspected terrorist hideout.
[[Image:Model870P 14inlg.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun" with a dedicated forend weapon light - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:NCIS4 07.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:NCIS4 10.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Army CID Lt. Col. Hollis Mann ([[Susanna Thompson]]) holds the Remington 870 Police Entry Gun in Season 4's "Sandblast".]]

==Skeet Single shot shotgun==
A Skeet shotgun is seen used in Season 1's "The Curse".
[[Image:NCISS1 401.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCISS1 403.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]
[[Image:NCISS1 405.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

==Unknown shotguns==
Used by two turkey hunters in "False Witness".

[[Image:NCIS shotguns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two turkey hunters with their shotguns.]]

=Heavy Weapons=

==M60E3 Machine Gun==
In Season 1's "Split Decision", here Gibbs is undercover as an arms dealer, several short-barreled [[M60 machine gun#M60E3 Machine Gun|M60E3 machine guns]] can be seen; Gibbs bringing them to make a sale, however the ones he brought to 'sell' didn't have firing pins.
[[Image:M60E3Short.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M60E3 machine gun with short barrel as seen in ''[[Commando]]'' - 7.62x51mm]]
[[Image:NCIS 002.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Roger Cooke ([[Scott MacDonald]]) holds the M60E3 in Season 1's "Split Decision" (S1E21).]]

== Browning M2 ==
A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone".
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2 .50 BMG]]
[[Image:NCIS56 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Browning M2]] HB is seen mounted on top of a Marine humvee Season 5's "In The Zone". ]]

==FIM-92A Stinger==
An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".
[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger 70mm]]
[[Image:NCIS2 05.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An [[FIM-92A Stinger]] is seen in the weapons cache Col. Will Ryan ([[Terry O'Quinn]]) takes Gibbs to see in Season 1's "Enigma".]]

==M72A2 LAW==
A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm.]]
[[Image:NCIS12 406.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A crate of [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]'s in seen in Season 1's "Split Decision".]]

== RPG-7 ==
[[RPG-7|RPG's]] are also seen in Col. Ryan's cache.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chinese Type 69 RPG]]
[[Image:NCIS2 04.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[RPG-7|RPG's]] are also seen in Col. Ryan's cache.]]

==Spike Missile==
A fake Israeli Spike rocket launcher is used by a terrorist in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign" in an attempt to kill Eli David. It resembles the mock-up Spike that was used in "[[NCIS: Los Angeles]]".

[[Image:NCIS fake Spike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A Palestinian terrorist prepares to aim the Spike.]]
[[Image:NCIS Fake Spike sights.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fake scope sight of Spike, which is not used in real life.]]

==Unknown machine gun==
Discovered by McGee and Malachi during a routine security check to locate potential security threats against Eli David.

[[Image:NCIS GPMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rigged machine gun found by Malachi, which he disarms by pulling the electrical plug.]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on her stalker in the Season 3 episode "Bloodbath". A security guard also shoots McGee with one in Season 6's "Silent Night".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:NCIS 22001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Abby ([[Pauley Perrette]]) uses the Advanced Taser.]]

==Air Rifle==
A kid uses an air rifle to shoot a hole in an inflatable raft in Season 5's "Judgment Day, Part 1".

[[Image:NCIS6 111.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kid with his grin after seeing his handiwork.]]

==ASP Red Gun (SIG-Sauer P226R)==
Plastic replicas of [[SIG-Sauer P226]]'s are used by Gibbs, Tony and Mossad officers Malachi Ben-Gidon ([[T.J. Ramini]]) and Liat Tuvia ([[Sarai Givaty]]) during a training exercise in Season 8's "Enemies Foreign". The "guns" have laser aiming modules attached to their rails that appear to be activated when Gibbs pulls the trigger. Interestingly ASP replicas are solid pieces of plastic, the triggers don't move.

[[Image:NCIS replica.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibbs using an ASP Red Gun with a laser module in a training exercise.]]

==Mass of firearms==
Several pistols and other small arms are found by McGee in "A Man Walks into a Bar."

[[Image:NCIS pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|McGee discovers an array of pistols in Marcus Leonard's room.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another set of small arms on a table.]]
[[Image:NCIS weapon collection side shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Side shot of the small arms found by McGee.]]

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=Fun Facts=
Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.

==Obvious Stunt Doubles==
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticeable.
[[Image:T2JDTwoStuntDoublesInOneShot!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Honda dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.]]
[[Image:T2RobStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.]]

==Goofs==
Some of the notable goofs in the film.
[[Image:T2KnifeBendGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.]]
[[Image:T2SteamJetsGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.]]
[[Image:T2cardummygoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.]]
[[Image:T2poleGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.]]

==Payback==
In the extended cut, Douglas ([[Ken Gibbel]]) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.
[[Image:T2Payback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.]]

==How It's Done==
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.
[[Image:T2CigarGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2RobFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.]]
[[Image:T2HelicopterCrane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.]]
[[Image:T2AmputeeDouble.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An amputee double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A piece of the frozen mercury melting.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The melted mercury begins to liquefy.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hotplate is pretty seamlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.]]
[[Image:T2RubberWalls.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.]]

==Familiar Scenery==
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, ''[[True Lies]]'', although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangley enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.
[[Image:T2JD-TrueLiesScenery.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comparison of the same location in the two films.]]

==Locked Up==
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.
[[Image:T2lockpick-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.]]
[[Image:T2lockpick-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.]]

==Attack of the Tin Foil Man!==
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the background, the "Tin Foil" man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]

==Not Really Nude==
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.
[[Image:T2NotNude-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.]]

==Good Old Arnold==
Some memorable moments from the "Governator".
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trust Me."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Stay here. I'll be back."]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I need a vacation." Not a very Terminator-like thing to say; it was an ad-libbed shoutout to ''[[Kindergarten Cop]]''.]]

==The Convenience of Twins==
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard ([[Don Stanton]]) and his brother ([[Dan Stanton]]) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were [[Linda Hamilton]] and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.
[[Image:T2guardtwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don playing Lewis the guard and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy.]]
[[Image:T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the extended cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the "mirror" is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks.]]
[[Image:T2SarahTwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this scene, Linda (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while twin sister Leslie plays the real Sarah (in the background) holding the shotgun.]]

==Speedy Robert==
For any scene in which [[Edward Furlong]] had to ride his Yamaha DT50 dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that [[Robert Patrick]] would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues John on his Yamaha dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert ''couldn't'' catch him.]]
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in hot pursuit.]]

==Polydichloric Euthynol==
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the [[Sean Connery]] sci-fi film ''[[Outland]]''.
[[Image:T2PolydichloricEuthynol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The explosive barrels marked "Polydichloric Euthynol".]]

=="The Four Horsemen"==
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.
[[Image:T2FourHorsemen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"The Four Horsemen", playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.]]

==The Deleted T-1000 Glitches==
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.]]

==The Spoof Pit==
The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Above view of the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.]]

=Dedicated To Stan Winston=
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 endoskeletons in ''[[T2|T2: Judgment Day]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-Rex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonFacehugger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Facehuggers from ''[[Aliens]]'', which actually ran on their own.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPowerLoader.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Power Loader from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPredator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from ''[[Predator]]'' also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.]]
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.

'''The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:'''
==Liquid Metal Squibs==
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears these squibs through out the film.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.]]
[[Image:T2StanWInstonLiquidSquib-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton also wears one of these squibs when she is playing the T-1000.]]

==Blown Apart T-1000 head==
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shotgunhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.]]

==The T-800 Arm==
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.]]

==Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head==
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same robotic head.]]

==T-800 Animatronic Dummy==
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.]]
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.

==T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out==
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonKnifeGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.]]

==T-1000 Shotgun Head==
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-5.jpg|thumb|none|800px|T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.]]

==Frozen T-1000==
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 frozen prop.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The prop shatters.]]

==Blown Up T-1000==
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000blownup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blown up T-1000 animatronic.]]

= Discussion =
==Technically==
Even though [[Mail Call]] has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If [[Unit, The|The Unit]] has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.

== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM
:Doing it now :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== 40mm grenade arming ranges... ==

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a ''M552'' point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms ''in 2 to 3 meters.'' In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the ''M551'' fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

::Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet... That's conversational distance in the Midwest... --00:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)~

==How do you capture a Terminator?==
Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck.
PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? [[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).

But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.

As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.

And that's all you're getting from me for now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..

== Trigger Safety Comment ==

[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.]]
He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.
:Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Excellent work! We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them. I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Guards Name==

Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! [[User:GamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]] 18:44, 7 April 2010

== T2 Minigun "DROP" ==

That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore. Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped. It is clearly a replica. On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version. It is completely absent in this screen cap. Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun. There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different. I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon. There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.

- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.

And ID yourself next time! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Some little edits==

I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.

I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.

Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.

[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.]]
Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo

Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say.

Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.

''Hope you enjoy the ride!'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

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=Fun Facts=
Some bits of irrelevant trivia and goofs.

==Obvious Stunt Doubles==
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticeable.
[[Image:T2JDTwoStuntDoublesInOneShot!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Honda dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.]]
[[Image:T2RobStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.]]

==Goofs==
Some of the notable goofs in the film.
[[Image:T2KnifeBendGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.]]
[[Image:T2SteamJetsGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.]]
[[Image:T2cardummygoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.]]
[[Image:T2poleGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.]]

==Payback==
In the extended cut, Douglas ([[Ken Gibbel]]) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconscious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.
[[Image:T2Payback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.]]

==How It's Done==
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.
[[Image:T2CigarGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2RobFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.]]
[[Image:T2HelicopterCrane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.]]
[[Image:T2AmputeeDouble.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An amputee double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A piece of the frozen mercury melting.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The melted mercury begins to liquefy.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hotplate is pretty seamlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.]]
[[Image:T2RubberWalls.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.]]

==Familiar Scenery==
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, ''[[True Lies]]'', although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangley enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.
[[Image:T2JD-TrueLiesScenery.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comparison of the same location in the two films.]]

==Locked Up==
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.
[[Image:T2lockpick-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.]]
[[Image:T2lockpick-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.]]

==Attack of the Tin Foil Man!==
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the background, the "Tin Foil" man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]

==Not Really Nude==
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.
[[Image:T2NotNude-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.]]

==Good Old Arnold==
Some memorable moments from the "Governator".
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trust Me."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Stay here. I'll be back."]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I need a vacation." Not a very Terminator-like thing to say; it was an ad-libbed shoutout to ''[[Kindergarten Cop]]''.]]

==The Convenience of Twins==
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard ([[Don Stanton]]) and his brother ([[Dan Stanton]]) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were [[Linda Hamilton]] and her sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren, who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Connor.
[[Image:T2guardtwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don playing Lewis the guard and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy.]]
[[Image:T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the extended cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the "mirror" is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks.]]
[[Image:T2SarahTwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this scene, Linda (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while twin sister Leslie plays the real Sarah (in the background) holding the shotgun.]]

==Speedy Robert==
For any scene in which [[Edward Furlong]] had to ride his Yamaha DT50 dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. Director James Cameron mentions in the DVD commentary that the the guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that [[Robert Patrick]] would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues John on his Yamaha dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert ''couldn't'' catch him.]]
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in hot pursuit.]]

==Polydichloric Euthynol==
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the [[Sean Connery]] sci-fi film ''[[Outland]]''.
[[Image:T2PolydichloricEuthynol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The explosive barrels marked "Polydichloric Euthynol".]]

=="The Four Horsemen"==
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.
[[Image:T2FourHorsemen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"The Four Horsemen", playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.]]

==The Deleted T-1000 Glitches==
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.]]

==The Spoof Pit==
The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Above view of the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.]]

=Dedicated To Stan Winston=
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate Academy Awards. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 endoskeletons in ''[[T2|T2: Judgment Day]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-Rex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonFacehugger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Facehuggers from ''[[Aliens]]'', which actually ran on their own.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPowerLoader.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Power Loader from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPredator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from ''[[Predator]]'' also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.]]
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.

'''The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:'''
==Liquid Metal Squibs==
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears these squibs through out the film.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.]]
[[Image:T2StanWInstonLiquidSquib-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton also wears one of these squibs when she is playing the T-1000.]]

==Blown Apart T-1000 head==
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shotgunhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.]]

==The T-800 Arm==
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.]]

==Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head==
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same robotic head.]]

==T-800 Animatronic Dummy==
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.]]
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.

==T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out==
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonKnifeGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.]]

==T-1000 Shotgun Head==
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-5.jpg|thumb|none|800px|T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.]]

==Frozen T-1000==
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 frozen prop.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The prop shatters.]]

==Blown Up T-1000==
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000blownup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blown up T-1000 animatronic.]]

= Discussion =
==Technically==
Even though [[Mail Call]] has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If [[Unit, The|The Unit]] has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

From the 7th down on the 1887: "You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger" A terminator wouldn't need to worry about that. A machine would only pull the trigger when it was supposed to.

== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the same year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM
:Doing it now :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cut and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== 40mm grenade arming ranges... ==

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a ''M552'' point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms ''in 2 to 3 meters.'' In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the ''M551'' fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

- Doesn't change the fact that in this film, Arnold's M79 fires grenades that explode within only a few feet of him at most, still obviously (if only barely) below arming range of even the older types. (Mainly the ones inside the Cyberdyne building) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

::Two to three meters is 6 to 9 feet... That's conversational distance in the Midwest... ~~

==How do you capture a Terminator?==
Seriously, how are supposed to do it? In T3 a giant electromagnet is used to trap T-X, but once it's trapped, how do you reprogram it? You get near the magnet with any amount of metal and you are stuck.
PS: If there are T-600, T-800, T-1000, and T-X terminators, are there T-200 and T-400 models too? Also, why can't the resistance get anything better than at T-800, and why is John Conner so important? He has a limited knowledge of weapons, no training in tactics, leadership, or anything else. Why not a Delta Force/SAS/Navy SEAL/insert name of elite fighting unit here person? OK, so it's a movie and its cool, but make no sense. On that note, why leave the M72 LAW rockets and M60 behind in the armory? An M72 would blow T-1000 to bits, hopeful far enough away that he couldn't re-form. The M60 would have been nice to shoot T-1000/ police cars with as well. An why not give John a flack jacket and AKM or MAC-10? [[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 04:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

- Bah. Not to just blow you off here, but honestly, most of those questions are ones that are meant to be answered by other sites, and don't really have anything to do with the guns used in the films, much less this film. Your bigger fansites (Terminator Files immediately comes to mind) can answer all that better than we probably can (or care to for that matter).

But to give you some short answers, one, I'm sure the process of capturing/reprogramming a terminator is rather involved to put it lightly, and I'm not going to delve into hypotheticals here. Second, yes there are numerous models/units in the T-series. Third, probably because the T1000 and TX are the latest designs, and aren't even used in the future war, unlike the T800 Terminators which are used rather heavily it seems. Next, John Connor is the one that actually rallies humanity to fight back in the first place, you don't need to be a SEAL or Delta to do that (though I admit, that would help), not to say he couldn't have still gotten that kind of training or learned that kind of knowledge anyway.

As for your last questions, which actually are somewhat relevant - first off, I'm sure there's only so much they can carry on them, as well as in their vehicle. You have to remember, they were going to run, not take the T1000 and the police head on as it turned out. And I disagree, the Mini-Vulcan (Minigun) is/was an immensely better choice to shoot up the police cars, as we are shown in the film. And finally, John is supposed to live, at all costs - Giving him a weapon and letting him fight only risks him getting killed, and for no good reason.

And that's all you're getting from me for now. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:19, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

According to some early literature, When the Resistance captured the time-displacement device form Skynet, they also found Terminators in storage. Using Experience from manipulating the T-800's chip in this film, they were able to do the same with the captured Terminators..

== Trigger Safety Comment ==

[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.]]
He's a Terminator and wouldn't make the mistake of 'Accidentally' firing the Weapon.
:Comment has been removed. I had already removed some unnecessary comments, but missed that one.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:30, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Excellent work! We need to excise those snarky comments when we see them. I am SO GLAD that I can now show IMFDB to actors or crew from some of the shows in question and NOT worry about them seeing some sort of comment which is insulting ... to Them! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

==Guards Name==

Just FYI, the pescadero Guard's name is Lewis. Just hoping someone could change that! [[User:GamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]] 18:44, 7 April 2010

== T2 Minigun "DROP" ==

That story about the T2 Minigun being dropped is obviously myth and lore. Look at the screencap of the Minigun being dropped. It is clearly a replica. On the actual prop there is a nub underneath the chainsaw grip from where they took off the carry-handle from the Predator version. It is completely absent in this screen cap. Furthermore if you look at the rear part of the Y-frame it has a protrusion on it that is not on the actual gun. There is a protrusion from where they removed the carry-handle on the real gun, but it looks different. I'm editing the page accordingly, because it is obviously not he same weapon. There is no wide shot of Arnold dropping the weapon, just the close up of them dropping the prop.

- I have to say that's quite interesting. I too noticed the dropped Minigun looked a bit different. Though the story with Arnold actually dropping the real Mini-Vulcan despite protests about damaging the weapon is quite believable.

And ID yourself next time! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

==Some little edits==

I took it upon myself to edit a few things, mostly the very few remaining spelling errors, since I'm re-reading the entire page.

I also replaced the standard 1911 thumbnail (On the Pescadero Guard) with one of a Nickel 1911, as the guard's gun is Nickel of course.

Also I edited this thumbnail text. The extra comment wasn't absolutely necessary, and I agree with the guy who remarked about the comment anyway.

[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.]]
Yeah, well, something tells me the SWAT team only gets called in when diplomacy has failed, and given that they'd already shot the place up pretty good, I think the SWAT team was justified in not asking for their honorable surrender. ~Cozmo

Otherwise a truly excellent page, probably the best on the site, I'd say.

Oh yeah, there were two lines of text stating the trivia was moved here, so I got rid of one of them as well.

''Hope you enjoy the ride!'' [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:44, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:M16 rifle series

2010-07-16T00:24:22Z

Deathbunny: /* The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CustomNorthHollywoodAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Custom AR-15/M16 Hybrid gun (5.56x45mm) made to resemble the firearm used by Emil Matasareanu in the 1997 North Hollywood Bank Of America Shootout, represented in the film ''[[44_Minutes:_The_North_Hollywood_Shootout|44 Minutes:The North Hollywood Shootout.]]'']]
[[Image:M4_SWAT-1-.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with ACOG scope and Surefire M500AB weaponlight. This is one of the screen-used weapons seen in ''[[S.W.A.T. (film)|S.W.A.T.]]'' - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:OlympicArmsAR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Olympic Arms AR15 (note: Olympic arms did not renamed their rifles with the "K" designation until after the 1990s) with A2 Handguards and the Olympic Arms stowaway pistol grip - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M203xm177.jpg|thumb|none|600px|XM177 - 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]
[[Image:UVARCarbine.jpg|thumb|600px|none|CAR-15 like the one used in [[Uncommon Valor]] - 5.56mm.]]
[[Image:M16A1M203ScarfaceCombo.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|World IMFDB Exclusive: Screen used Faux M203 Launcher with M16A1 with Quadrant and Front ladder sight - 5.56x45mm. This is verified screen used from the film [[Scarface]]. Two 30 round magazines have been taped together with black gaffer's tape to emulate the way Tony Montana loaded his weapon in the film. What is interesting is that the tape in the movie does really appear to be motion picture gaffer's tape, which would only be common on ... a movie set.]]
[[Image:model 656.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:M4 m203 old.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 727 - 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm.]]
[[Image:607-2-sm-741x267.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Model 607 - 5.56x45mm NATO.]]
[[Image:XM177_shorty.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CAR-15 SMG - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Icsm4ris2006.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M4A1 with a RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator - 5.56x45mm]]
this is the marushin cap gun?--[[User:Kin93|Kin93]] 07:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, you are right, it is, so this is one of the FIRST guns I need to photograph (a real one) and replace this Airsoft abomination. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

== Interesting ==
...I seriously doubt anyone will ever see an underslung version of the M203 used in a film, all by itself, ...

but there have been stand alone M203 launchers (modified with a pistol grip and stock like the M79LF 37mm launchers) as well as the M203 being attached to guns other than the M16 (take Rambo III for example where they attached it to an AK). Having a section on the M16 w M203 on the M16 page makes sense since that is where people will look if they're curious about that particular combo appearing in a movie. But I like having a separate page for the M203 to address more detailed history of the launcher plus any applications where the launcher is used with other weapons. Just a thought...
::We do need a page where M203s are used as stand alone launchers, rare, but it has happened. But we should shift all M203s underslung to M16s to the M16 Page and have a note directing users to that page when looking for that combination on the M203 page. Just IMHO.... [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:27, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense, that configuration. Also, there was a standalone M203 on Bones, and there might be others (sometime WAY in the future, when a director wants to use a "modern" version of an M79, like how James Cameron used the fictional roto-craft in place of the Huey).

== Do well really need to have an "A2" and "A3" category?==

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] has already explained that just about all of the "M16A2s" used in movies are actually A2 uppers on A1 lowers, often with A1 flash hiders. By this definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", and might actually be considered M16A3s roughly. But since they're usually seen impersonating M16A2s, I say designate by receiver style only (both the A2 and A3 have what is usually called the "A2 receiver").

In other words, I think we should ditch the M16A3 category completely. It makes no sense to distinguish between A2s and A3s when basically all of the "Hollywood" A2s and A3s are the same type of gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

:I never got anyone's feedback on this, but...I decided to go ahead and ditch the M16A3 entry, for the reasons I explained above. It doesn't make sense to try and distinguish between "A2s" and "A3s" in movies when MoviePropMaster has explained that they're all basically the same thing - A2-style uppers on fully automatic A1 lowers. By that definition, none of them are true "M16A2s", but since they're obviously supposed to portray such rifles in movies, it makes more sense to call them A2s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, because the M16A3 was made for Navy SEALs and SeeBees, no civilian hands hae touched them. -Winchester (1-26-09)
I believe the 1995 remake of Village of the Damned portrayed the National Guard using burst fire. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

(the above was in reply to a comment that the author deleted as i posted.) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 03:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::Also I think Colt sold A3s to foreign entities, National police of allied countries, Elite units, etc. Any country with which we are friendly and Colt has sold weapons in the past. I've heard that A3s were sold as samples to France, U.K. and Germany (but that was a casual comment that I heard years ago). There 'could' be A3s in the armories of foreign movie productions. That is a completely grey area with which I have no one to verify anything. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

:This is strange. I posted a comment here a couple hours ago, asking how many movies are there were burst fire is portrayed? I know Black Hawk Down has one instant. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen some films that had three round burst fire. I will try to get the titles and list them [[Special:Contributions/205.172.16.102|205.172.16.102]] 01:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== The caption to the M16A1 w/ M16A2 handguards... ==
I was in the National Guard in the early '90's and that's exactly what we had. I was also issued an M16A1 with A2 handguards in basic training. It turns out that it's simpler and--from what I heard--cheaper to replace the 'A1 guards with 'A2 guards because the 'A2's are less complex and you only need to stock one type instead of 'lefts' and 'rights'. Also, the 'A1'a in the national guard were freshly rebuilt, tested, and had the serial numbers laser etched into the bolt carriers. They were issued with all 'A2 furniture.

:Yeah, I've seen plenty of A1s with A2 hand guards elsewhere. In fact, if you ever watch footage of the current offensive into Gaza, you can see both IDF personnel and Hamas militants using them. The Israelis received a lot of M16A1s and have updated many of them with the M16A2 hand guards. Many of these rifles were passed into Israeli's "allies" in Fatah, and then Hamas stole plenty of them during their war with Fatah (some were also probably stolen from the IDF themselves). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

just for the record here is an M16A1 with A2 handguards in service
[[Image:RP Marines assault line DM-SD-06-10463.JPEG|thumb|none|600px|RP Marines armed with M16A1s with A2 handguards.]]
--[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:06, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Mark 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==

Does anyone have an image of one?
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

:I put one on the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page that I took from another site. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks I pasted it from that page but we should probably look into getting a noncopyrighted one.
-[[User:AdAstra2009]]

::Well, you can ask MoviePropMaster2008 if he has a Mark 12 upper in his company's inventory. I imagine he also knows armorers at Cinema Weaponry (the guys who supplied the weapons for ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''), so he might even be able to get us one of the same guns used in that movie. But he's very busy of course and has LOTS of other image requests to tend to, so it might be a while before he gets around to it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== Rate of Fire on the M16A1 ==
Does anyone know the rate of fire on the M16A1?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume it's about 800 rounds a minute [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

:That would be correct, it's around 750 to 800 RPM. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:28, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== What is this? ==
It's not really from a movie, but a music video, and I havn't been able to figure out what this AR is yet, there are two others in the video, one's an M16A1, the other an A2, but I just can't figure this one out.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle1.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle2.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle3.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle4.JPG
http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:RA_Rifle5.JPG

Looks like an M733, what is this from? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 08:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
:The gun in the first 'cap looks different from the CAR-15s in the other pictures. Maybe it's a fake XM177?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 12:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's from the music video for Hero Of War by Rise Against, the main soldier uses it, his two buddies use an M16A1 and M16A2, I'm almost 100% sure there are only three rifles in the video. Yeah, I'm thinking M733 too... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]]

==XM607 Commando Carbine==
I do remember the weapon from ''[[Pink Caddilac]]'' an XM607, or an AR-15 modified to imitate one. The weapon may not have been officially adopted but kits were released to the public though:

* [http://totalsilenceinc.com/XM607_pages/questions.html 1]
* [http://www.retroblackrifle.com/ModGde/CrbGde/607.html 2]
* [http://www.fototime.com/A2FFCE89093C8E7/standard.jpg 3]

[[User:Cutaway|Cutaway]] 18:54PM, 3/7/2009 (UTC)

:I changed the entry after I watched the trailer for the movie. The trailer is on YouTube, and the gun in question is visible at the 00:27-00:28 mark:

:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LddykTA8nVg

:That is definitely an older-model LaFrance Specialties M16K. It doesn't have the triangular front sight post of the XM607. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==The Photoshopped M16 images==

Can people '''please''' stop posting the images of M16 variants that were edited using MPM's photos? There's a reason I've removed them before. We don't need to have every variant on the page, and many of them are inaccurate, anyway. The only one we allow is the XM16E1, because we don't have a good photo of one of those yet, and even that may get replaced. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

*The Colt 607 image I posted wasn't one of MPM's [unless someone stole it and re-hosted it], I got it from google. Only put it here because the page for the The World Is Not Enough videogame didn't have a 607 image. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 05:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

==Why do we have Colt Model 727 by itself==
When the Model 727 is just the commercial Colt name for the M4 carbine? it doesn't make sense to have the exact GUN made by Colt with it's commercial name (for law enforcement sales or international sales) with a separate category, when it should just be merged in with the M4/M4A1 category. The M16 page is getting out of control. MPM2008

:I agree that the Model 727 should be merged with the M4 category, but it's not exactly a commercial name for an M4. The Model 777 is the commercial name for the very first M4 (the one that didn't have the detachable carry handle). The 727 and 777 are identical, but the 727 is safe-semi-auto and the 777 is safe-semi-burst. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

:::Good point. But in the overall view, I think all that info (a) should be in the M4 category, (b) should be a footnote, NOT a separate category and (c) people are endlessly creating separate categories for weapons that are essentially the same guns as other categories. Experienced IMFDB users/Mods already know that most of the M16 variants seen in films are build ups of other guns. We usually just get the accessories and barreled uppers and put them on our full auto or semi auto lowers. Why spend thousands to get new guns when we're sitting on dozens and dozens of other M16s? Also, in VideoGames and Anime, again, they don't have to specify the new or commercial model unless it's specifically stated or named explicitly. Even then it can be a footnote in the original category.

==Adding images==

I'm getting a little annoyed with people adding images we don't need on the page, including many that are crap and which aren't necessary. Not to mention that half of them aren't even using the "<nowiki>br clear=all</nowiki>" command to ensure that the images won't drift into the next gun entry. So, I'm putting a stop to this now. No more without talking about it here first. Next person who doesn't respect my wishes gets a 1-week time out. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

:They're still doing it. I have removed the custom A1 upper mounted on an SP1 lower with A2 handguards from this page several times. It is not a common real like frankengun (but it has happened). I originally built this and photographed it for the HEAT page until better screenshots proved that Wes Studi's AR15 was an A1 style lower, not an SP1. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, for some reason, these users seem to think that every single picture of a gun needs to be on it's page. It especially frustrates me when they're sticking all customized guns that only appear in one movie onto a page, they may look cool, but they're not even standard configurations! All they end up doing is turning the gun page into a cluttered, sloppy mess of pictures, I mean just look at the [[Remington 870]] and [[Mossberg 500]] pages.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:37, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I added the following image to the [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher|M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher]] section?

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M4A1 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

Figured that since the other sections on the page have pics of the 'basic' and 'tricked-out' versions, why not this one? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

==A Warm Thank-You==
For years I have been trying to find out what the guns were Peter & Roger used in Dawn of the Dead. This site solved what the problem so many other "gun experts" on IMDb could not. Again, thank you.
:Thats what IMFDB is for =) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 18:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

==Let's See If You Can Figure This Out==
I couldn't find a real picture so I put this together. Its an M4A1 with the old style stock, and a straight (no cuts) 16" barrel; or its a Sporter (or one of those older three number ones like that) with a removable carry handle; take your pick. I was just wondering what it actually is...

P.S. Every detail is intentional and exactly how its supposed to be even though its not a real picture, just so everyone knows that. ;)
[[Image:M4A1COD4.jpg]]

:It would be a hybrid commercial AR variant. It has an M16A1 style lower receiver, so it is NOT a Sporter I or II. Basically, it's an M4 Carbine with a flat top and detachable carry handle, with an old style buttstock and a civilian HBAR Carbine barrel outfitted with RIS forearms. Various manufacturers made similar guns to this design, like Bushmaster and a few others. Also many builders of AR15s made similar guns from parts kits from M&A, Patriot Arms, (the now defunct Nesard), Sun Valley, and others. With the advent of custom builds from aftermarket parts from dozens of manufacturers, the AR15 has become the ultimate "mutt". I can tell you this is NOT an issued military variant, so it would NOT have an "M" designation unless it was built from an M4 to begin with. Also nearly everyone uses the step down M4 style barrels for carbines, unless it's the ultra light. The HBAR Carbine style barrels are becoming rarer by the day since their heyday was the 1990s. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks a lot, very informative answer. This is the "M4 Carbine" in Call Of Duty 4, and I've been trying to figure out exactly what it really is for a while. I didnt say where it was from because I figured the answer I'd get would be something like "its a videogame, so its probably not a real model", but I knew that ;) I like the look and have been trying to make it as an airsoft project, this helps a lot... too bad airsoft HBAR barrels are very hard to come by. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:::How did you make that? At first I thought it was Pimp My Gun, but PMG doesn't have an M16A1 pistol grip yet. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

::::No, you thought right my friend, it is Pimp My Gun, I just used MS Paint to remove the little finger nub and made the HBAR barrel by copying and pasting the largest part of the barrel over the rest of it. That's all the "photoshopping" that I did. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 07:45, 13
February 2010 (UTC)
::If it's from CoD4, then blame lack of details on modelers that made that gun model. They simply saved some poligons for improved performance of the game. Same thing with lack of gas-block when front sight is removed. It supposed to be M4A1 and i'm 100% sure they had pictures of military issued M4A1's as a reference.
:::I'm sure they wanted it to be an M4A1, but I've seen a lot of movies where HK94s were converted to be MP5s, or 92FSs were converted to be 93Rs and last I checked on this site we identify guns on what they are, not what they're supposed to be... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

== M16A1 series' portray ==

In the present, does anyone think that like the Ak47 and its variants, the M16A1 series is sometimes stereotypically portrayed as a bad guy's gun?
I've seen the IRA, FARC guerillas, Mexican drug lords and some gangbangers use them.
Overall is this true?
:In the real world, the USSR dumped millions of AKs into the hands of satellite states and insurgents around the world. In the Vietnam and immediate post Vietnam years the U.S. dumped millions of M16A1s to our allies. With the fall of Vietnam, all of the South Vietnamese M16A1s ended up in the hands of communist guerillas (as well as the AK). The AK and the M16 were the most prolifically distributed weapons of the last 50 years. There is no conspiracy to make them 'look bad'. They're in the hands of everyone so it is invevitable.
:Even Iran uses a variant of the M16A1, a copy of the Norinco CQ called the ''S-5.56'', as their standard rifle. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== AR Series firing 5.7 Ammo??? ==

I was in a gun shop in Michigan today and saw a weapon with an AR-15 type body but with the mag of a P-90 running along the rail. I asked the guy at the shop and he did confirm the weapon did fire the 5.7 round. Anyone have any idea who makes the weapon and what it may be called? Incidentally the store was The Firing Line in Westland Michigan. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 03:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::They sell those uppers here in California all the time. My local gun store has 5.7mm firing AR15 uppers that take the P90 magazine. But I never bothered to check who made it, that's what GOOGLE is for. I just never had an interest [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:I have seen examples of this conversion as well. It is actually a specially-made upper receiver that can be mounted onto pretty much any AR-15 style lower receiver. The magazine mounts along the top of the weapon as with the P90, and the original magazine well in the lower receiver becomes the ejection port with the spent brass falling down through there instead of being spit out to the side. As for the manufacturer, I can't quite recall who makes it, but it is definitely quite an interesting piece of hardware. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 07:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

As long as my memory goes, is called the AR-57 and is manufactured by 57Center, or something like that --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

::I remember when Impact Guns got those in. You can buy them here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/AR-57%20UR.html

::The manufacturer's web site, as Yocapo32 pointed out, is 57 Center. Their web site is here: http://www.57center.com/

::What's interesting is that the AR magazine well is where the brass gets ejected. The only problem I can see with having a P90 magazine mounted on top is that it leaves limited rail space on top for mounting accessories. You could have a scope or iron sights, and not much else. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info guys, again, I know this was not germane to the topic, it was just a little odd to see something like that as I had never heard of it before. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

==Stolen M4A1s==

In real life is there ever any incidents where police have seized M4A1 carbines from criminials or terrorists during raids?

:Do you mean mil-spec M4s, as opposed to semi-auto AR-15 carbines that are patterned after the M4? I would doubt it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

::Never, or else it has never been reported anywhere, ever. And I am talking about real select fire 14.5" barreled M4/M4A1 carbines. However, California has had a rash of MP5s and MP5Ks stolen out of police cars, which were left unlocked when the cops were in a strip club. Seriously. they have not shown up since....[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

==Suitable combat weapon==

Which weapon is considered better for infantry? An M16A1/M203 combo or an OICW?
:M16A1/M203. The XM29 weighs damn near 20 lbs., compared to 8 or 9 lbs. for the M16 when fitted with a 203. Fire control system or not, the last thing I'd want to be stuck with on a 60 mile march is an F-ing 20 lbs. rifle. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' after them. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

:The M16/M203 combo is definitely superior; it has been proven in real-world combat situations over the last 30-plus years, whereas the only live-fire situation the XM29 has seen at the most is at the Aberdeen testing ranges. The closest replacement the M16/M203 will likely see anytime soon is an [[FN SCAR]]/[[Heckler & Koch M320|M320]], and even then the SCAR is only in limited use with the 75th Ranger Regiment at present. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:12, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

The real question is whether or not the XM8 Carbine is better than the M4A1/derivatives (H&K 416, REC7, etc). And we probably won't ever know.

Also, the OICW was more of a man-portable version of a Doom gun than anything that you would actually bother carrying on duty. 20mm airburst auto-loader, saboted sub-5.56mm rounds? What could you use that for other than trying to clear a drug cartel's fortified mansion by yourself?

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

:One of the many things that led to the death of the XM29 was its sheer size. The Army wanted it scaled down to the size of an M4 [http://www.ghostrecon.net/images_arms/xm29_1.jpg] and 14 lbs max (which an M4 with all its mods gets pretty close to), but with today's technology, it just wasn't possible. Maybe in 20 years or so it will be, but the XM29 is presently dead for the foreseeable future. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Installation of a front Flip up/down Iron sights. ==

I was watching The Losers, and while I agree that those 4 characters all had M4A1s, they seemed to switch between fixed front sight and flip up/down iron sights. I was wondering how hard it would be to take an M4A1, remove the front factory sight and replace it with a flip up/down sight. I know it's pretty easy for the rear sight, but I wasn't sure about the front sight. (OK, I also want to ask this question because I, like many people, have played Modern Warfare 2 and seen the M4 with a flip up/down front sight.) --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:Not really that difficult. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I believe the process would involve removing the muzzle brake and the existing front sight/gas block assembly and replacing it with a gas block that has either a rail to mount your choice of front sight, or a folding front sight, then reinstalling the muzzle brake. You can find instructional videos for this process at various gunsmithing websites. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 14:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== Forward Assist ==
Does anyone know when reloading if it is a good idea to hit the forward assist after hitting the bolt release or its ok just to start firing after hitting the bolt release?

:The idea behind hitting the forward assist after reloading is to ensure the bolt is fully seated and that the weapon is ready to fire. It's generally not really nessicary at the range, but when in a combat situation where you might have dirt or whatnot fouling the chamber, it's a good idea to do that to ensure that the weapon will fire when you need it to.[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

== The comment about the SPR Mk 12 shooting full auto... ==

The design--at least the original ones--used a match grade trigger group that actually fired full auto.

If my Web Fu is correct, NSN 1005-01-562-0901 from Knight's Armament.

The original, intended purpose was to allow the uppers to be swapped out for a short barreled model initially so a marksman could use a short range weapon on the way in and out and the more accurate upper at the objective.

Sources: https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=003aa7475e95c9b56d5814227cc5d4ec&tab=core&_cview=0

::https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=fbd46923c9e6d18cd916b8a6e7d3cfdf&tab=core&_cview=0

States the Special Purpose Receiver (Early designs) specifies:

"(C) OTHER PERFORMANCE GOALS: (1) Increased reliability, durability, corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, lubricity/reduced friction; fully functional for a minimum of 15,000 rounds (Threshold)/30,000 rounds (Objective), performing up to the standards and firing rates to be published in the Solicitation, functional reliability exceeding that of the standard M4A1 carbine at high and low temperature extremes as well as other hostile (sand/dust/dirt/mud/surf) environmental conditions (2) Improved safety- delay cook-off, fail-safe features, fires/functions safely and without delay of draining in the Over-The-Beach (surf zone, weapon flooded with water) environment. (3) User Acceptance: operational suitability, increased live-fire hit scores, decreased live-fire engagement times, speed/accuracy of engagement, '''controllability in semi-automatic and full automatic fire''', improved handling qualities, light weight, snag free in movement through vegetation and battlefield obstacles." (Accent added)"

M16 rifle series

2010-07-15T23:20:06Z

Deathbunny: SPR's are or were assembled with match grade full auto triggers or built on M16A1 or M4 Carbine recievers.

'''The M16 series of assault rifles and carbine variants are used by the following actors in the following movies, television series, video games, and anime:'''

'''Please check the [[Talk:M16 rifle series|talk page]] for additional variants not shown on the main page.'''

==Specifications==

'''Type:''' Assault Rifle

'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO (various other calibers available via after-market conversion kits)

'''Capacity:''' 5, 20, 30, 40 round box magazine/ 90 round snail drum/ 100 round dual drum Beta-C magazine

'''Fire Modes:''' Safe/Semi (Mk 12 SPR, AR-15, civilian variants) Safe/Semi/Burst (M16A2, M16A4, M4) Safe/Semi/Auto (M16, M16A1, M16A3, M4A1)

== M16 Rifle ==
[[Image:M16-SP1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The original M16, the first version, firing in a 20-round magazine, adopted in large numbers by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam. This has the original '''3-prong flash hider'''. It would later be replaced by the upgraded M16A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16SP1Birdcage.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat "slab side receiver") with an A1 "birdcage" Flash hider, used to imitate the M16A1 in many Vietnam era movies. This version has a 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16-SP1-30Mag.jpg‎|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat "slab side receiver") with an A1 "birdcage" Flash hider, used to impersonate the M16A1 during the 1970s and 1980s. This version has a 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16-SP1-with-A2-Handguards.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16 aka SP1 (flat "slab side receiver") with A2 style handguards used to impersonate the M16-A2 - 5.56x45mm]]

Since the original M16 is the first pattern AR-15 select fire rifle that was adopted in 1964 by the U.S. Air Force in Vietnam (and also given to the ARVN) all appearances of the slab side M16 in movies and television shows would be either the Class III Colt M16 or the commercially available Colt AR-15 SP1 rifle. After being phased out from active duty, the military owned weapons were issued to National guard units (and later bequeathed to Federal and local law enforcement agencies). Movie Armorers could acquire Law Enforcement Sales models of the M16, as Class III transferable weapons or built as Class III manufacturers. However, an easier way was for commercially sold semiautomatic Colt AR-15 SP1 rifles to be converted to full auto fire in the 1970s and 1980s and these were in movie armories for years.

=== Film ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Across The Universe]] || Various || National Guardsmen || || 2007
|-
| [[Alone in the Dark (2005)]] || Various || Bureau 713 Commandos || || 2005
|-
| [[Land of the Dead]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 2005
|-
| [[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]] || [[Gerardo Vigil]] || General Marquez || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 2003
|-
| [[Once Upon a Time in Mexico]] || Various || General Soldiers || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 2003
|-
| [[Coronado]] || [[Clayton Rohner]] || Arnet McClure || || 2003
|-
| [[Coronado]] || Various || Rebel Soldiers || || 2003
|-
| [[Analyze This]] || Various || Mobsters || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1999
|-
| [[The Matrix]] || Various || Lobby guards|| Fitted with both 3-prong and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1999
|-
| [[The Matrix]] || [[Keanu Reeves]] || Neo || || 1999
|-
| [[The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Captain Darrow|| Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 1996
|-
| [[Forrest Gump]] || [[Tom Hanks]] || Forrest Gump || || 1994
|-
| [[Forrest Gump]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1994
|-
| [[In the Army Now]]|| [[Pauly Shore]]||PFC "Bones" Conway|| LaFrance-converted AR-15 SP1; fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[M16A2]] hand guards|| 1994
|-
| [[In the Army Now]]|| Various || U.S. Army personnel|| LaFrance-converted AR-15 SP1s; fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders and [[M16A2]] hand guards|| 1994
|-
| [[Jurassic Park]] || Unknown actor || InGen worker || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards and [[M16A1]] flash hider|| 1993
|-
| [[Showdown in Little Tokyo]]|| [[Dolph Lundgren]]|| Sergeant Chris Kenner || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1991
|-
| [[Showdown in Little Tokyo]]|| [[Brandon Lee]]|| Johnny Murata || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1991
|-
| [[Die Hard]] || Various || LAPD S.W.A.T. officers || || 1988
|-
| [[They Live]] || [[Roddy Piper]]|| Nada || || 1988
|-
| [[They Live]] || [[Keith David]]|| Frank|| || 1988
|-
| [[They Live]] || Various || Cable 54 building guards|| || 1988
|-
| [[Full Metal Jacket]]||Various || U.S. Marines || || 1987
|-
| [[Lethal Weapon]]||Various || LAPD S.W.A.T. officers ||Deleted scene only|| 1987
|-
| [[Predator]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || Dutch ||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider and [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Fake M203 Launcher]] || 1987
|-
| [[Predator]] || [[Sonny Landham]] || Billy ||Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards, [[M16A1]] flash hider, and [[Mossberg 500]] shotgun || 1987
|-
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]] || Various || U.S. Marines || Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1986
|-
| [[The Park is Mine]] || Various || N.Y.P.D. SWAT officers || Fitted with AN/PVS-2 Starlight night vision scopes ||1986
|-
| [[Platoon]] || [[Chris Pedersen]] || Crawford || Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider || 1986
|-
| [[Raw Deal]] || Various || Patrovita's thugs|| || 1986
|-
| [[Commando]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]|| John Matrix||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hider; becomes an [[M16A1]] in some shots || 1985
|-
| [[Commando]] || Various || Arius' men and U.S. Army soldiers||Fitted with [[M16A1]] flash hiders, some with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985
|-
| [[Rambo: First Blood]] || [[Brian Dennehy]] || Hope Sheriff Will Teasle || || 1982
|-
| [[Rambo: First Blood]] || Various || Hope County sheriff's deputies || || 1982
|-
| [[Stripes]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1981
|-
| [[Taps]] || Various || Cadets || || 1981
|-
| [[Escape from New York]] || Various || U.S. Police Force and Secret Service Agents || handguards removed || 1981
|-
| [[Apocalypse Now]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1979
|-
| [[The Spy Who Loved Me]]||Various || U.S. Navy sailors || Stolen from Armoury and Stromberg guards || 1977
|-
| [[The Enforcer]]|| Various || People's Revolutionary Strike Force terrorists and SFPD officers || Fitted with both 3-prong and [[M16A1]] flash hiders || 1976
|-
| [[Silver Streak]] || Various || FBI Agents || || 1976
|-
| [[Ice Station Zebra]] || Various || U.S. Navy crew || || 1968
|-
|-
| [[Seven Days in May]] || [[Andrew Duggan]] || Col. William 'Mutt' Henderson ||Possibly the first depiction of an M-16 in a Hollywood film || 1964
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Supernatural]] || Unknown actor || Conspiracy theorist || || 2005-
|-
| [[Mail Call]] || [[R. Lee Ermey]] || Himself || || 2002-
|-
| [[JAG]] || Various || U.S. soldiers || Only seen in flashbacks to Vietnam War || 1995-2005
|-
| [[Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]] || Various || U.S. soldiers, guards, criminals || || 1993-1997
|-
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || Unknown actor || henchman || || 1994
|-
| [[A-Team, The| The A-Team]] || || Various || || 1983-1988
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Passwords'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories]]|| || || 2006
|-
| [[Enter the Matrix]] || || || 2003
|-
| [[Shellshock Nam '67]] || |Called the "Assault Rifle" || || 2004
|-
| [[Vietcong]] || || || 2002
|-
|}
 

'''Anime'''

* ''[[Hayate no Gotoku!]]''

== XM16E1 Rifle ==

[[Image:XM16E1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|XM16E1 rifle with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. What distinguishes it from the original M16 was the addition of the forward assist button and a chrome bolt carrier (which was later dropped with the M16A1).]]

[[Image:XM16E1 WeWereSoldiers.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Currently seen Mockup of an XM16E1 (built from an M16A1 as the base) with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. This example is the screen-used rifle used by [[Mel Gibson]] in ''[[We Were Soldiers]]''.]]

The XM16E1 is an improved variant of the original M16 which featured several improvements, including the forward assist (visually, the most obvious difference). The Army requested this feature, but the Air Force believed it had no benefit and only increased the weapon's per-unit cost. Consequently, the M16 (SP1) was the version adopted by the Air Force, while the Army adopted the (slightly) more expensive XM16E1. After the M16A1 was introduced in 1967, both services transitioned to this rifle. Before 1968, this was the most common version of the M16 rifle platform. '''Most examples in recent films are actually 'faux' XM16E1 rifles'''. Apparently there are no 'real' XM16E1s in movie armories any more, since all examples of the XM16E1 seen in films are mocked up from M16A1 rifles. The real XM16E1 has a partial magazine fence on its' lower receiver, whereas the M16A1 has a full raised rib around the magazine release button. The only known examples of an authentic XM16E1 rifle in a motion picture was in the [[John Wayne]] film ''[[The Green Berets]]'' (which may be a result of the film having so much help from the U.S. Army).

=== Film ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| [[Jay Baruchel]] || Kevin Sandusky ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008
|-
| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| [[Brandon T. Jackson]] || Alpo Chino ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008
|-
| [[Tropic Thunder]]|| Various || Actors playing U.S. soldiers ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2008
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]]|| [[Mel Gibson]]|| Lt. Col. Hal Moore ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Barry Pepper]] || Joe Galloway ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Josh Daugherty]] || Spc. Robert Ouellette ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Ryan Hurst]] || Sgt. Ernie Savage ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Robert Bagnell]] || 1LT. Charlie Hastings ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]] || [[Chris Klein]] || 2LT. Jack Geoghegan ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[We Were Soldiers]]|| Various || U.S. Army soldiers ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 2002
|-
| [[Dead Presidents]]|| [[Jaimz Woolvett]] || Lieutenant Dugan ||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1995
|-
| [[Dead Presidents]]|| Various || U.S. Marines||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1995
|-
| [[Hamburger Hill]]|| Various || U.S. Army 101st Airborne personnel||mocked up from an M16A1|| 1987
|-
| [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]]|| [[John Wayne]]|| Colonel Mike Kirby ||Real XM16E1 || 1968
|-
| [[Green Berets, The|The Green Berets]]|| Various || U.S. Special Forces ||Real XM16E1|| 1968
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater]] || || || 2004
|-
|}
 

== M16A1 Rifle ==

=== Film ===
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. What distinguishes it from the original M16 was the addition of a raised rib around the magazine release button, changing of the forward Receiver pins, and the addition of the forward assist button on the upper receiver.]]
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with A2 style handguards - 5.56x45mm. Putting the distinctive A2 handguards on the older rifle was a method used by Movie/TV armorers to simulate A2 rifles when M16A1s were the only ones available. The same thing has been done vice-versa, Using M16A2's with A1 handguards for Vietnam War B Movies.]]

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]] || Various || Karen rebels || || 2008
|-
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] || Various || Massachusetts State Police at funeral || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 2006
|-
| [[Devil's Rejects, The|The Devil's Rejects]] || Various || Sheriffs deparment and Rejects || || 2005
|-
| [[Land of the Dead]] || Various || Fiddler's Green Soldiers || || 2005
|-
| [[The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course]] || Various || U.S. Army Rangers || Some fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s || 2002
|-
| [[XXX]] || Unknown actor|| Colombian narcotics officer || || 2002
|-
| [[Blue Streak]] || Various || Mexican Border Security Officers || Fitted with M16A2 hand guards || 1999
|-
| [[Pentagon Wars, The|The Pentagon Wars]] || || U.S. Army soldiers || With M16A2 handguards || 1998
|-
| [[Pentagon Wars, The|The Pentagon Wars]] || [[Cary Elwes]] || Lt. Col. James G. Burton || With magazine removed and M16A2 handguards || 1998
|-
| [[Con Air]] || Various || Convicts and U.S. National Guardsmen || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1997
|-
| [[Postman, The|The Postman]] || Various || Holnist soldiers || || 1997
|-
| [[Eraser]] || Various || U.S. Marshalls || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1996
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]]|| Various || Rogue U.S. Marines || Fitted with M16A2 handguards and tactical flashlights, with & without [[M203 grenade launcher]]s || 1996
|-
| [[Romeo & Juliet]] || Various || Verona Beach police officers || Some fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1996
|-
| [[Species]]|| Background extras|| U.S. Soldiers || || 1995
|-
| [[Heat]]|| [[Wes Studi]]|| Detective Casals || Fitted with M16A2 handguards || 1995
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]]|| [[Philip Kwok]] || Mad Dog ||Fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 1992
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]]|| Various || Hong Kong police and Johnny Wong's thugs || || 1992
|-
| [[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]] || N/A || N/A || Seen on the walls of Sarah's armory || 1991
|-
| [[Toy Soldiers]] || Various || Colombian soldiers || || 1991
|-
| [[Nothing But Trouble]] || Various || National Guardsmen || || 1991
|-
| [[Die Hard 2]]|| Various || Airport police and U.S. Army Special Forces || The Army team's fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1990
|-
| [[Fire Birds]]|| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1990
|-
| [[Total Recall]] || N/A || N/A || Seen at Kuato's resistance base || 1990
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Chow Yun-Fat]] || Mark Lee || || 1989
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Anita Mui]] || Chow Ying Kit || || 1989
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || [[Tony Leung Ka-Fai]] || Cheung Chi Mun|| || 1989
|-
| [[A Better Tomorrow III]] || Various || ARVN soldiers || || 1989
|-
| [[Casualties of War]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1989
|-
| [[Iron Eagle II]] || Various || U.S. Military Police || || 1988
|-
| [[Extreme Prejudice]]|| Various || Special Unit and cartel members || some with A2 hand guards || 1987
|-
| [[Hamburger Hill]]|| Various || U.S. Army 101st Airborne personnel || || 1987
|-
| [[Aliens]] || N/A || N/A || Seen on the walls of the ''Sulaco'''s armory || 1986
|-
| [[Equalizer 2000]]|| Various || Gang members || Some fitted with futuristic shells || 1986
|-
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]]|| Various || U.S. Marines || With and without MILES gear || 1986
|-
| [[Iron Eagle]] || Various|| U.S. Air Force security guards || || 1986
|-
| [[The Park is Mine]]|| Various || NYPD S.W.A.T. officers || || 1986
|-
| [[Platoon]]|| [[Charlie Sheen]]|| Pvt. Chris Taylor || || 1986
|-
| [[Platoon]]|| Various|| U.S. Army soldiers || || 1986
|-
| [[Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home]] || Various || U.S. Marines || || 1986
|-
| [[Commando]]|| [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || John Matrix || Alternates with [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|M16 SP1]] || 1985
|-
| [[Commando]]|| Various|| Arius' men and U.S. Army soldiers || Some fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985
|-
| [[Day of The Dead (1985)|Day of the Dead]]|| Various|| U.S. Army soldiers || || 1985
|-
| [[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]|| Various|| Vietnamese troops and pirates || Some fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1985
|-
| [[Ghostbusters]]|| Various || U.S. National Guardsmen || || 1984
|-
| [[The Terminator]]|| [[Paul Winfield]] || Lt. Edward Traxler || || 1984
|-
| [[The Terminator]]|| [[Lance Henriksen]] || Detective Hal Vukovich || || 1984
|-
| [[The Terminator]]|| Various || LAPD officers || || 1984
|-
| [[Rambo: First Blood]]|| Various || U.S. National Guardsmen || || 1982
|-
| [[The Day After]]|| Various || U.S. Air Force Security Police || || 1983
|-
| [[Death Wish 2]]|| Various || Thugs || || 1982
|-
| [[The Blues Brothers]]|| [[Carrie Fisher]]|| Jake's ex-fiance || || 1980
|-
| [[The Blues Brothers]]|| Various || State Troopers, Sheriff's Deputies, Chicago Police SWAT, U.S. Army soldiers || || 1980
|-
| [[The Final Countdown]]|| Various || U.S. Marines || || 1980
|-
| [[Apocalypse Now]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1979
|-
| [[Jerk, The|The Jerk]] || [[M. Emmet Walsh]] || The Madman || Fitted with scope || 1979
|-
| [[Moonraker]] || Various || Drake launch base guards || || 1979
|-
| [[The Odd Angry Shot]] || Various || Australian SAS troopers || || 1979
|-
| [[The Enforcer]] || Various || SFPD officers || || 1976
|-
| [[The Sniper]] || || hong Kong SDU Sniper Team || M16A1 with A2 style handguards and ACOG || 2009
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Harsh Realm]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards || 1999-2000
|-
| [[Seven Days]] || Various || U.S. Army personnel|| Fitted with [[M16A2]] hand guards, some fitted with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 Flare Launchers]], one fitted with a night-vision scope || 1998-2001
|-
| [[Bugs]] || Various || || || 1995-1999
|-
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || [[Gary Sinise]]|| Stud Redman|| || 1994
|-
| [[Stand, The|The Stand]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1994
|-
| [[Tour of Duty]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1987-1988
|-
| [[The A-Team]] || Various || U.S. Army soldiers || || 1983-1987
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="350"|'''Notes'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops]] || || || 2006
|-
| [[Scarface: The World is Yours]] || ||Can be fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2006
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || || 2005
|-
| [[Battlefield: Vietnam]] || |||| 2004
|-
| [[Conflict: Vietnam]] || || || 2004
|-
| [[Spec Ops: Ranger Elite]] || || also available with M203 || 2001
|-
| [[Grand Theft Auto III]] || || Fitted with fictional 60-rd magazine || 2001
|-
| [[Command & Conquer: Red Alert]] || || With A2 handguards; used by Allied soldiers in FMV cutscenes only || 1997
|-
| [[Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow]] || ACOG Scope || Possibly an A1 fitted with A2 handguards || 2002
|-
| [[Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War]] || With A2 handguards || Seen in cutscene, non-playable || 2004
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| || [[Kochikame, The UFO Movie]] || ||
|-
|Sousuke Sagara || [[Full Metal Panic]] || ||
|-
|Ulgian Soldiers || [[Noir]] || ||
|-
|Rally Vincent's Bedroom || [[Riding Bean]] || ||
|-
|US Army soldiers || [[Blood+]] || ||
|-
|Thugs/Mercenaries/US Military || [[Black Lagoon]] || 2006/2010 ||
|-
|}

=== Animation ===
* Seen in the Vietnam War flashback in the ''[[Ring Raiders]]'' (episode: "The Best Man for the Job is a Woman")

== M16A2 Rifle ==

In contrast to the real world M16A2 rifle adopted by the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, most of the A2s seen in movies are A2 'kits' built on A1 full auto lower receivers (or converted A2 style receivers). Most movie "M16A2" rifles have the A1 Birdcage flash hider installed, since Cinematographers want the "starburst" of the Flash to go all the way around, not just divert upwards (as is the case with the correct A2 Flash hider). In the real world, the fully automatic version of the M16A2 is known as the '''M16A3''', however, '''because nearly all movie "M16A2s" fire full automatic, it is not IMFDB policy to designate these rifles as "M16A3s" when identifying them in movies, since in nearly all cases they are intended to pass for M16A2s.'''

Also note that some American movies feature [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] rifles fitted with M16A2-style handguards, such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Die Hard 2]]''. An example of such a rifle can be seen in the M16A1 entry above. When identifying M16 variants, please look at the '''receiver''' of the rifle in question, not just its handguards, to determine whether it is an A1 or an A2.

[[Image:M16A2.jpg|thumb|500px|right|M16A2 Rifle - 5.56x45mm. Select Fire rifle (Safe/Semi/3 round Burst Only).]]
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout]] || [[Ron Livingston]] || Donnie Anderson || || 2003
|-
| [[Con Air]] || [[John Malkovich]] || Cyrus "The Virus" Grissom || || 1997
|-
| [[Con Air]] || [[Ving Rhames]] || Nathan "Diamond Dog" Jones || || 1997
|-
| [[Cloverfield]] || || US Army Soldiers || || 2008
|-
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || || US Marines || || 2005
|-
| [[XXX 2: State of the Union]] || || US Army soldiers || || 2005
|-
| [[Whole Ten Yards, The|The Whole Ten Yards]] || [[Bruce Willis]] || Jimmy "The Tulip" Tudesky || || 2004
|-
| [[Whole Ten Yards, The|The Whole Ten Yards]] || [[Matthew Perry]] || Oz || || 2004
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || || US Marine honor guard || || 1996
|-
| [[I Am Legend]] || || Guard || || 2007
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Josh Hartnett]] || SSGT. Matt Eversmann || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Ewan McGregor]] || SPC. John Grimes || With M203 grenade launcher || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Johnny Strong]] || SFC Randy Shughart || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Carmine Giovinazzo]] || SGT. Mike Goodale || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Matthew Marsden]] || SPC. Dale Sizemore || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Gregory Sporleder]] || SGT. Scott Galentine || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Brian Van Holt]] || SGT. Struecker || || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Enrique Murciano]] || SSGT. Ruiz || With Cobray CM203 || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || || US Army Rangers || || 2001
|-
| [[War of the Worlds]] || || US Army soldiers || With & without Surefire Universal weaponlight || 2005
|-
| [[War of the Worlds]] || || US Marines || || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Jake Gyllenhaal]] || Anthony "Swoff" Swofford || || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Jamie Foxx]] || SSGT. Sykes || With & without paintball conversion || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Lucas Black]] || LCPL. Chris Kruger || || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Laz Alonso]] || LCPL. Ramon Escobar || With Cobra CM203 || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Brian Geraghty]] || Fergus || With & without M203 grenade launcher || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Peter Sarsgaard]] || Troy || With M203 grenade launcher/Cobray CM203 || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || || US Marines || || 2005
|-
| [[Bad Boys II]] || || US Marines || || 2003
|-
| [[Bad Boys II]] || || [[Miami PD officers || || 2003
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || [[Mark Wahlberg]] || SFC Troy Barlow || || 1999
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || [[Ice Cube]] || SSGT. "Chief" Elgin || || 1999
|-
| [[Three Kings]] || || US Army soldiers || || 1999
|-
| [[Siege, The|The Siege]] || || US Army soldiers || || 1998
|-
| [[Pest, The|The Pest]] || [[John Leguizamo]] || Pestario "Pest" Vargas || || 1997
|-
| [[Day After Tomorrow, The|The Day After Tomorrow]] || || US Army soldier || || 2004
|-
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] || || US Army soldiers || || 1994
|-
| [[Die Another Day]] || || US military personnel || || 2002
|-
| [[Die Another Day]] || || South Korean Military Police || || 2002
|-
| [[A Man Apart]] || || Guard || || 2003
|-
| [[Bulletproof (1996)|Bulletproof]] || || LAPD SWAT officers || || 1996
|-
| [[Bulletproof (1996)|Bulletproof]] || || DEA agents || || 1996
|-
| [[Volcano]] || || Army National Guard soldiers || || 1997
|-
| [[Godzilla (1998)|Godzilla]] || || US Army soldiers || || 1998
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || [[Meg Ryan]] || CPT. Karen Emma Walden || || 1996
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || [[Seth Gilliam]] || SGT. Steven Altameyer || || 1996
|-
| [[Courage Under Fire]] || || US Army soldiers || || 1996
|-
| [[Core, The|The Core]] || || US military personnel || || 2003
|-
| [[X-Men: The Last Stand]] || || US Army soldiers || || 2006
|-
| [[Independence Day]] || || US military personnel || || 1996
|-
| [[Armageddon]] || || US military personnel || || 1998
|-
| [[GoldenEye]] || || US Marines || || 1995
|-
| [[Jurassic Park]] || || Guards || With & wouthout barrel-mounted weaponlights || 1993
|-
| [[Jurassic Park III]] || || US Marines || || 2001
|-
| [[Battle Royale II: Requiem]] || || Japanese soldiers || || 2003
|-
| [[Bobby Z]] || [[Laurence Fishburne]] || Tad Gruzsa || || 2007
|-
| [[Lord of War]] || || || Seen in warehouse || 2005
|-
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] || || Police honor guard || || 2006
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines]] || || US Marines || || 2001
|-
| [[Blood Diamond]] || || Sierra Leone Army soldiers || || 2006
|-
| [[Blood Diamond]] || || South African mercenaries || || 2006
|-
| [[Eraser]] || || US Marshal || || 1996
|-
| [[Stone Cold]] || || Soldiers || || 1991
|-
| [[Tears of the Sun]] || || US Marines || || 2003
|-
| [[Swordfish]] || || Police officer || || 2001
|-
| [[Bangkok Dangerous]] || || Police sniper || With scope, Harris bipod, and cheekpad || 2008
|-
| [[Babylon A.D.]] || || Neolite || || 2008
|-
| [[Dreamcatcher]] || || US Army soldiers || || 2003
|-
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Pauly Shore]] || PFC Bones Conway || || 1994
|-
| [[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]] || || US Marines || With & without M203 grenade launcher || 2002
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]] || || Colombian Army soldiers || || 2009
|-
| [[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]] || || Rogue unit || || 2009
|-
| [[Sniper, The|The Sniper]] || || Hong Kong SDU sniper team || With scopes on carry handles || 2009
|-
| [[Crank: High Voltage]] || || Stripper || || 2009
|-
| [[In the Line of Duty: The FBI Murders]] || [[Michael Gross]] || William Matrix || || 1988
|-
| [[Home of the Brave]] || [[Brian Presley]] || SPC. Tommy Yates || || 2006
|-
| [[Home of the Brave]] || || US Army soldiers || || 2006
|-
|}

=== Television ===

* [[Nicki Lynn Aycox]] as Pvt. Brenda 'Mrs. B' Mitchell in ''[[Over There]]''

* [[Lizette Carrin]] as PFC Esmaralda 'Doublewide' Del Rio in ''[[Over There]]''

* Pittsburg P.D. officers and an armored van driver in ''[[The Kill Point]]''

* U.S. Military personnel in ''[[JAG]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[The Unit]]''

* Various characters in ''[[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]''

* Various characters in ''[[Seven Days]]''

* Militant extremists in ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'' (episode: "Future's End")

* U.S. Marines in ''[[CSI: NY]]'' (episode: "Heroes", fitted with ACOG scopes, several having M203 grenade launchers)

* ''[[Tremors: The Series]]''

* ''[[Ultimate Force]]''

* Nigerian soldiers in ''[[Burn Notice]]''

* ''[[The X-Files]]''

* ''[[Baywatch]]''

* U.S. Marines and R. Lee Ermy in [[Mail Call]].

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="400"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[50 Cent: Bulletproof]] || || || 2005
|-
| [[GoldenEye 007]] || As the "AR33" || Erroneously shown capable of full auto fire || 1997
|-
| [[Operation Flashpoint]] || || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2001
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || || With and without M203 grenade launcher || 2005
|-
| [[Conflict: Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad]] || || With M203 grenade launcher || 2003
|-
| [[America's Army]] || || Can be fitted with M203 grenade launcher || 2002
|-
| [[Postal 2]] || || || 2003
|-
| [[Punisher, The (VG)|The Punisher]] || As the "5.56mm Assault Rifle" || With optional M203 grenade launcher and night-vision scope, incorrectly shown capable of full auto fire || 2005
|-
| [[Project I.G.I]] || || || 2000
|-
| [[Project IGI 2: Covert Strike]] || || With M203 grenade launcher || 2003
|-
| [[Left 4 Dead]] || Assault Rifle || With barrel-mounted weaponlight 50-round magazine || 2008
|-
| [[Left 4 Dead 2]] || M-16 Assault Rifle || With barrel-mounted weaponlight and optional laser sight 50-round magazine || 2009
|-
| [[ArmA II]] || || || 2009
|-
| [[Command & Conquer]] || || Seen on box art only, non-playable || 1995
|-
| [[Far Cry 2]] || As the "M16A3" || Seen in a magazine and on posters, non-playable || 2008
|-
| [[Delta Force: Black Hawk Down]] || || Available w/ [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2003
|-
| [[Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising]] || || Available w/ [[M203 grenade launcher]] || 2004
|-
|}

=== Anime ===
*''[[Mayoi Neko Overrun!]]''

== M16A4 Rifle ==
[[Image:M16A4Standard.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A4 with carry handle attached and standard A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) with RAS rails installed, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and ACOG scope 5.56x45mm. This is the U.S.M.C. style setup.]]
The M16A4 is often mistaken as an M16A3 w/ RIS rails. This is not true. The M16A3 is a full auto M16A2 with the standard A2 upper receiver and barrel. The Flat top with removable carry handle and RAS rails only appear on the A4s. Also the A4 is a 3-round burst rifle like the A2. As is the case with the A2 rifle, all movie/TV appearances of the 'flat top' M16 are full auto, not three round burst, since no director wants to see only three rounds fire at a time. So these are, again, A4 uppers built on full auto lower receivers. Despite the fact that the real world A4 is a three round burst rifle, IMFDB will still refer to the movie incarnations as A4s, since that is the rifle they are supposed to represent on film.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Legion]] || [[Paul Bettany]] || Michael || fitted with an [[M203]] grenade launcher || 2010
|-
| [[Incredible Hulk, The (2008)|The Incredible Hulk]] || || U.S. Army soldiers || || 2008
|-
| [[28 Weeks Later]] || || U.S. Army soldiers || || 2007
|-
| [[Home of the Brave]] || || Sgt. First Class Duhon || With EOTech red dot sight || 2006
|-
| [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]] || || U.S. military personnel || With ACOG scopes, Surefire Universal weaponlights, and RIS foregrips || 2009
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| || U.S. Marines || [[CSI: Miami]] / "Come As You Are" || With ACOG scope, Surefire Universal weaponlight, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2002 - ????
|-
| || Miami-Dade P.D. officer || [[CSI: Miami]] / "Seeing Red" || With EOTech red dot sight || 2002 - ????
|-
| || New Bern residents || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || || 2006 - 2008
|-
| || Beck's soldiers || [[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]] || With and without M68 Aimpoint scope and Surefire weaponlight || 2006 - 2008
|-
| || U.S. Army soldier || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || || 2006 - 2009
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="400"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || With optional M68 Aimpoint red dot & ACOG scopes and M203 grenade launcher || 2005
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || || With optional Sure Shot red dot sight and M203 grenade launcher, erroneously shown as capable of full auto fire || 2007
|-
| [[Insurgency]] || || With or without M203 grenade launcher || 2007
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M-16A3" || Erroneously shown as capable of both full auto and 3-round burst fire || 2008
|-
| [[ArmA II]] || || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, ACOG scope, and M203 grenade launcher || 2009
|-
| [[America's Army 3]] || || With optional M68 Aimpoint scope, Surefire weaponlight, or [[Heckler & Koch M320]] grenade launcher || 2009
|-
| [[America's Army 3]] || As the "M16A4 DMR" || With M150 ACOG scope and semi-auto fire only || 2009
|-
| [[Ghost Recon]] || As the "M16A2" || With M68 Aimpoint scope and optional M203 grenade launcher || 2001
|-
| [[America's Army: True Soldiers]] || || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope and M203 grenade launcher || 2007
|-
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || || With a variety of accessories|| 2009
|-
| [[Marines: Modern Urban Combat]] || || With ACOG scope and optional M203 grenade launcher || 2010
|-
|}

==Colt AR-15 Sporter-1==

[[Image:Colt AR-15 Model SP1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15 Sporter-1 (SP1) - 5.56x45mm]]

===Films===

* [[In the Army Now]]

* [[Trespass]]

* [[Time and Tide]]

* [[Four Brothers]]

===Television===

* [[Star Trek: Voyager]]

 

==Colt AR-15 Sporter Carbine==
[[Image:Colt-Sporter-I-Carbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter I Carbine - 5.56x45mm. Colt's public offering of a lightweight carbine based on the AR-15 Platform. This rifle has been erroneously called "the M16 Shorty" for years by Law Enforcement and Firearms "authors". The "M16 Shorty" or "Shorty Carbine" have never been authorized or used names for the rifle by Colt or the Government.]]
[[Image:ColtSporterIICarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter II Carbine with 20 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. Colt model #R-6420. Colt still insisted on using the SP1 style lower receiver so any rifle that looks like this but has the ribbing around the magazine release button is not a Colt rifle. Variants of this rifle have both the round and tear drop forward assist buttons, however, most of the early years of production had the tear drop button, like this rifle in the photo.]]
[[Image:ColtSporterIIw30RdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Sporter II Carbine with 30 round magazine - 5.56x45mm. This is the exact same rifle as above except with a 30 round magazine instead of a 20 round magazine.]]

===Films===
* [[Ben Stiller]] as Tugg Speedman and others in [[Tropic Thunder]]
::This info is incorrect. Speedman's rifle, though a 16" carbine is not either a Sporter I or Sporter II. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

===Television===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| Different Actors || U.S. Army soldiers || [[X-Files, The]] || Mocked up to look like M16A2 || 1993 - 2002
|-
|}

 

== Diemaco C7/Colt Model 715 ==
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 715 (virtually identical rifle to the Colt Canada C7) - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:ColtCanadaC7A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A1 with ELCAN scope and polymer magazine 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:C7a2.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Canada C7A2 with ELCAN scope and polymer magazine 5.56x45mm]]

Known as the Colt Model 715 in the United States, the Diemaco C7 is a Canadian license-built version of the M16 that was developed in tandem with the M16A2, but retains the rear sight and the automatic firing mode of the earlier M16A1, with the further addition of a heavier barrel and brass deflector. The original C7 was gradually replaced by the C7A1 in Canadian service during the mid 1990s, eliminating the carrying handle in favor of a Weaver rail system and a 3.5x ELCAN optical sight. The C7A2 is a mid-life upgrade of the C7A1 that adds a 4-position M4-style stock, a new handguard and pistol grip in OD green, and a Triad rail system that allows for the mounting of additional accessories such as RIS foregrips or AN/PEQ-2 laser illumination devices.

''NOTE: Diemaco (currently Colt Canada) does not permit sale of their weapons to civilians (including film armorers), so C7s in films is near impossible to see. However, several AR-15 manufacturers built identically-configured rifles with the same receiver style, which were usually marketed as "budget" alternatives to their [[M16A2]] clones. Colt manufactured the Model 715, while Olympic Arms manufactured its own version, the K4B (which is currently sold as the "Plinker Plus 20"). Most of the "C7" rifles appearing in movies and TV shows are the older-model (pre-1994) Olympic Arms K4B rifles; these guns are evidently preferred by the armorers in Vancouver, British Columbia and have been featured on TV shows such as ''[[Stargate: SG1]]'', ''[[The X-Files]]'', ''[[Millennium]]'', and ''[[Viper]]''. If the movie or TV show you are watching was filmed in British Columbia, chances are that you're seeing a converted Olympic Arms K4B, and not a genuine C7.''

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Walking Tall]] || || Ex-Deputy || With Beta-C drum magazine || 2004
|-
| [[Operation Dumbo Drop]] || || Green Berets,US Soldiers,ARVN || Mocked up as M16A1 || 1995
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Harsh Realm]] || || 1999
|-
| Various || Repblican Guard Special Forces || [[Harsh Realm]] || || 1999
|-
| Various || Cherokee rebels || [[Harsh Realm]] || || 1999
|-
| Various || Survivalists/other characters || [[Millennium]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| Various || U.S.A.F. personnel || [[Stargate: SG1]] || || 1997 - 2007
|-
| Various || U.S. military personnel/various bad guys || [[Viper]] || || 1996 - 1999
|-
| || || [[Viper]] / "Diamond in the Rough" || With 20-round magazine and [[Cobray 37mm Launcher#Cobray CM203 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203 launcher]] || 1996 - 1999
|-
| Various || Villains || [[Viper]] || || 1996 - 1999
|-
| || Armored van robber || [[Sentinel, The (TV series)|The Sentinel]] / "Love and Guns" || with [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray CM203]] || 1996 - 1999
|-
| [[Richard Burgi]] || Det. Jim Ellison || [[Sentinel, The (TV series)|The Sentinel]] / "Siege" || || 1996 - 1999
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="150"|'''Referred as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Notation'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Jagged Alliance 2]] || C-7 || || || 1999
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || || C7A2, with ELCAN scope || 2005
|-
|}
 

== M16 with M203 Grenade Launcher ==

''NOTE: In some movies and TV shows, the [[Cobray 37mm Launcher]] is used to impersonate the M203. For a list of ways to tell the two launchers apart, visit the Cobray 37mm Launcher page.''

[[Image:M16M203PredatorCombo.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Screen-used Faux M203 launcher attached to M16/SP1 5.56x45mm configured as seen in ''[[Predator]]'' © Copyright MPM2008 - 2009 Licensed to www.imfdb.org ]]
[[Image:M16wM203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A1 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]
[[Image:M16A1wNewCM203.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|M16A1 with Cobray CM203 37mm Flare Launcher for Comparison - 37mm. Many times these unrestricted 37mm launchers double for the real M203 launcher.]]
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M16A2 5.56x45mm with M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Scarface]] || [[Al Pacino]] || Tony Montana || M16A1, with two magazines taped together "jungle style" || 1983
|-
| [[Predator]] || [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] || Dutch || AR-15/SP1 || 1987
|-
| [[Police Academy 6: City Under Siege]] || [[David Graf]] || Eugene Tackleberry || M16A1 || 1989
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Peter Sarsgaard]] || Troy || M16A2 || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Brian Geraghty]] || Fergus || M16A2 || 2005
|-
| [[Jarhead]] || [[Laz Alonso]] || LCpl. Ramon Escobar || M16A2 || 2005
|-
| [[Boondock Saints, The|The Boondock Saints]] || || || M16A1, hanging on wall || 1999
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Ewan McGregor]] || Spc. John Grimes || M16A2 || 2001
|-
| [[Black Hawk Down]] || [[Enrique Murciano]] || Sgt. Ruiz || M16A2 || 2001
|-
| [[Hard Boiled]] || [[Philip Kwok]] || Mad Dog || M16A1 || 1992
|-
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] || [[Jaime Gomez]] || Sgt. Julio Vega || M16A1 || 1994
|-
| [[Clear and Present Danger]] || || Reciprocity team member || M16A2 || 1994
|-
| [[Heartbreak Ridge]] || [[Rodney Hill]] || Collins || AR-15/SP1 || 1986
|-
| [[Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course, The|The Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course]] || || US Army Ranger || M16A1 || 2002
|-
| [[Tomorrow Never Dies]] || || Henchmen || M16A2, with Beta-C drum magazines || 1997
|-
| [[American Gangster]] || || || M16A1 || 2007
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Bokeem Woodbine]] || Sgt. Crisp || M16A1 || 1996
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || [[Tony Todd]] || Cpt. Darrow || Switches between AR-16/SP1 and M16A1 || 1996
|-
| [[Rock, The|The Rock]] || || Rogue Marines || M16A1 || 1996
|-
| [[Without a Paddle]] || [[Seth Green]] || Dan || M16A1 || 2004
|-
| [[Without a Paddle]] || [[Ethan Suplee]] || Elwood || M16A1 || 2004
|-
| [[One That Got Away, The|The One That Got Away]] || [[Paul McGann]] || Chris Ryan || AR-15/SP1, with camouflage paint scheme || 1996
|-
| [[Bravo Two Zero]] || [[Sean Bean]] || Andy McNab || M16A2, with camouflage paint scheme and compass attached to handguard || 1999
|-
| [[Bravo Two Zero]] || [[Kevin Collins]] || Chris Ryan || M16A2, with camouflage paint scheme || 1999
|-
| [[Sniper 2]] || || || M16A1, with scope mounted on carry handle || 2002
|-
| [[Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home]] || || US Marine || M16A1 || 1986
|-
| [[In the Army Now]] || [[Pauly Shore]] || Bones Conway || M16A1, promotional material only || 1994
|-
| [[Punisher, The (2004)|The Punisher]] || [[Thomas Jane]] || Frank Castle || M16A2, promotional material only || 2004
|-
| [[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]] || || US Marine || M16A2 || 2002
|-
| [[Legion]] || [[Paul Bettany]] || Michael || Switches between M16A2 and M16A4 || 2010
|-
|}

=== Television ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || Mounted on M16A2 || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Kieran Mulroney]] || Cpl. Mick Kirkland || [[Seven Days]] / "Daddy's Little Girl" || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Todd Kimsey]] || Lt. Willis || [[Seven Days]] / "Daddy's Little Girl" || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Gary Dourdan]] || Sgt. Mohmand || [[Seven Days]] / "Daddy's Little Girl" || Mounted on M16A1, with and without night vision scope || 1998 - 2001
|-
| Various || U.S. Marines || [[CSI: NY]] / "Heroes" || Mounted on M16A2, with ACOG scope || 2004- ????
|-
| [[George Peppard]] || Col. John "Hannibal" Smith || [[A-Team, The|The A-Team]] / "The Sound of Thunder" || Mounted on AR-15/SP1 || 1983 - 1988
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="400"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || || Mounted on M16A2 || 2005
|-
| [[Spec Ops: Ranger Elite]] || || on M16A1 || 2001
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || Mounted on M16A4, with optional ACOG scope || 2005
|-
| [[America's Army]] || || Mounted on M16A2 || 2002
|-
| [[Operation Flashpoint]] || || Mounted on M16A2 || 2001
|-
| [[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] || || Mounted on M16A4, with AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2009
|-
| [[ArmA II]] || || Mounted on M16A4, with AN/PEQ-2 IR designator and ACOG scope || 2009
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || || Mounted on M16A4 || 2007
|-
| [[Ghost Recon]] || || Mounted on M16A4 || 2001
|-
| [[Insurgency]] || || Mounted on M16A4 || 2007
|-
| [[America's Army: True Soldiers]] || || Mounted on M16A4, with optional M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007
|-
| [[007: Agent Under Fire]] || As the "Windsor FSU-4" || Mounted on M16A1 || 2001
|-
| [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] || As the "M16A2" || Mounted on M16A4 || 2010
|-
| [[Marines: Modern Urban Combat]] || || Mounted on M16A4, with ACOG scope || 2010
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Asano || [[Mezzo DSA]] || Mounted on M16A1 || 2004
|-
| U.S. soldier || [[Blood+]] || Mounted on M16A2 || 2005 - 2006
|-
|}

== Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series ==
[[Image:Colt 609-XM1771E1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 609 aka U.S. Army's XM177E1- 5.56mm. This submachine gun utilized the partial magazine fence, the tear drop forward assist, but kept the 10" barrel and Flash hider/Suppressor that did not have a grenade ring (a later feature on the E2 model).]]
[[Image:ColtModel610-XM177.jpg|thumb|500px|right|GAU-5/A aka Colt Model 610 - 5.56x45mm. This is the USAF version and was only used by them. This is NOT the E1 version, which was used almost exclusively by the Army.]]
[[Image:ColtM177E2.jpg|thumb|500px|right|'''XM177E2 Carbine''' aka Colt Model 629 aka - 5.56x45mm. This was the last variant of the XM177 rifle used in the Vietnam War.]]
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Late 1970s model AR15 Sporter 1 Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike for the film ''[[The Dogs of War]]'' - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:CAR-15Rifle.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Commercial CAR-15 semiautomatic Rifle - 5.56x45mm. This is strictly a semiautomatic civilian copy of the XM177 style of rifles. The flash hider is a smaller diameter copy of the XM-177 and has no sound suppression qualities and is permanently welded onto the barrel to make it legal length for over the counter gun store sales.]]

During the Vietnam War, Colt made several short barreled carbines that were fielded. The '''Colt Model 607''' (a line of carbines that would eventually be called the CAR-15 in the US Market) was designated the '''XM177''' in Vietnam. It had a 10" barrel and a slab side receiver just like the original AR-15s. The '''Colt Model 609''' was designated the '''XM177E1''', where they added a forward assist, upgraded breakdown pin assembly and a chromed chamber (the same modifications made to the A1 upgrade of the M16 rifle). This version was also where they started stamping the receivers "Commando", thus known as the "Colt Commando" back in the States. The '''Colt Model 610''' was a version built for the USAF security forces, and was called the '''XM177 GAU-5/A''' or when formally adopted by the US Air Force, 'the '''GAU-5/A''' ' (which is why the gun is seen on the show [[Stargate: SG1]] since the USAF used the carbine until recently). The '''Colt Model 629''' was officially designated the '''XM177E2''' having changed the barrel from 10" to 11.5" and slightly changing the flash hider/sound suppressor. This is the version '''most seen''' as replica and airsoft guns throughout the world.

The XM177 was adopted by the US Air force during the vietnam war and is still used by the USAF. The XM177E1 and the XM177E2 was adopted by the US Army and is no longer used.

''Movie Armorer's note: Since the ATF viewed the flashhider of the XM177 as a 'silencer' due to the sound baffles within the item, it was as strictly controlled as any other silencer. Also the interior design of the flash hider / sound suppressor of the XM177 made it difficult to adapt to fire movie blanks. '''Thus there are virtually NO real XM177s used in movies. ''' Most of the versions seen in films are modified commercial SP1 Carbines/M16 shorties with 'fake' XM177 flash hiders slipped over or welded to the end of the barrel. Also movie armorers used aftermarket barreled uppers by third party manufacturers and mated them to existing fully automatic lower receivers, thus were constantly swapping parts to build up guns which were requested by movie directors. So it is possible to see various upper receiver assemblies on recognizable M16/A1/A2 lower receivers. ''

=== Film ===

* [[Sean Connery]] as John Mason, [[Nicolas Cage]] as Stanley Goodspeed, and Rogue US Recon Marines in ''[[The Rock]]'' (fitted with tactical flashlights and/or M203 Grenade Launchers)

* M.O.I. Swat teams in ''[[Brazil]]''

* ''[[Double Impact]]''

* Richard Norton in ''[[Equalizer 2000]]'' (heavily modified to look somewhat futuristic)

* [[Leonardo DiCaprio]] as Danny Archer in ''[[Blood Diamond]]'' (with Aimpoint M3 red-dot sight and camouflage paint) (unknown variant; A2 receiver with XM177-style front end)

* Colonel Coetzee ([[Arnold Vosloo]])'s men in ''[[Blood Diamond]]'' ''(with Aimpoint M3 red-dot sight and camouflage paint)'' (unknown variant; A2 receiver with XM177-style front end)

* Counter-terrorist teams in ''[[Toy Soldiers]]''

* Shadow Company goons and [[Gary Busey]] as Mr. Joshua in ''[[Lethal Weapon]]'' (Busey using one with a scope as well as with and without 'jungle-style' taped magazines)

* Drug runners in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* U.S. military personnel in ''[[Die Another Day]]''

* N.Y.P.D. SWAT in ''[[Park is Mine, The|The Park is Mine]]''

* Bucho's henchmen in ''[[Desperado]]''

* Reciprocity team members in ''[[Clear and Present Danger]]''

* N.Y.P.D. SWAT commander in ''[[The Park is Mine]]''

* [[Danny Glover]] as Lt. Mike Harrigan in ''[[Predator 2]]'', (fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]])

* U.S. Navy SEALs in ''[[Navy SEALs]]''

* [[Michael Biehn]] as Lt. Curran in ''[[Navy SEALs]]'' (fitted with M203 grenade launcher)

* [[John Castle]] as Paul McDaggart in ''[[RoboCop 3]]''

* [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as Ben Richards in ''[[The Running Man]]''

* A Chicago P.D. SWAT sniper in ''[[Fugitive, The|The Fugitive]]''

* [[Judd Nelson]] as Nick in ''[[New Jack City]]''

* Navy Seals in ''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]]''

* Ramon Cota's men in ''[[Delta Force 2: The Colombian Connection]]''(Fitted with [[M203]] grenade launchers)

* [[Dean Norris]] as Det. Sgt. Goodhart, [[Charles Boswell]] as Jack Axel in ''[[Hard to Kill]]''

* FBI HRT members in ''[[The Cell]]''

* [[Valri Bromfield]] as 'Miss Purdah' in ''[[Nothing But Trouble]]'' (She carries both a civilian CAR-15 and an XM177E2.)

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Raymond Cruz]] || Rodriguez || [[Seven Days]] / "Daddy's Little Girl" || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001
|-
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Seven Days]] || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001
|-
| Various || NNL Personnel || [[Seven Days]] || Mocked-up weapons with M16A2-style receivers || 1998 - 2001
|-
| [[Terence Knox]] || Sgt 1st Class Clayton "Zeke" Anderson || [[Tour of Duty]] || || 1987 - 1989
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

* ''[[The World Is Not Enough (video game)|The World Is Not Enough]]'' (as the "Mustang MAR-4", available with an M203 grenade launcher as the "Mustang MAR-4 GL")

* ''[[Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops]]''

* ''[[Battlefield: Vietnam]]''

* ''[[Jagged Alliance 2]]''

* ''[[Operation Flashpoint]]'' (XM-177E2)

* ''[[Max Payne]]'' series
 

== Colt Carbine/Model 653/Model 727/Model 733==

[[Image:ColtM653.jpg|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 653 Carbine 16" barrel - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:ColtM654.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 654 - a Model 653 designed for export - 14.5" barrel and no forward Assist - 5.56x45mm]]
After 1973 Colt made several lightweight versions of the M16 and Commando rifles for use with Police and Security forces, as well as civilian sales worldwide. It had the features of the XM177 rifle series, including the telescoping stock, but had either a 14.5" or a 16" lightweight barrel, depending on the demands of the customer, whether domestic or foreign. ''It was NOT correct for Viet Nam, despite what the movie '''[[Platoon]]''' portrays.'' Though 'unofficially' called the "M16 Shorty" by some writers and shooters, the 16" barreled lightweight carbine was never adopted formally by the US Military, and thus never had an "M" or "XM" designation. It was used in the U.S. by Federal and local law enforcement.

Colt also made the '''Model 733''', which was a 11.5" barreled version of the Model 653, intended for Tactical police and security work. Later manufactured versions of both guns had A2 style heavy barrels. The '''Model 723''' was a '''733''' designed for export for the UAE and used by US Delta Force.
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:R6520-A2Carbine.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Model 725 - aka the Colt R6520 A2 Govt. Model Carbine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Coltm727ima.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 727 5.56x45mm]]
''What is confusing is that other manufacturers made all sorts of modified short barreled AR-15 rifles for the Police and Civilian markets throughout the years. Colt themselves bastardized so many of their rifles throughout the years, swapping particular uppers with different lowers so that there will always be exceptions to the rule. The explosion of custom and unique looking AR-15 rifles in the 1980s and 1990s has led to a lot of confusion regarding what rifle is in what movie. ''

[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|right|Colt Model 733 SMG - 5.56x45mm. Note that the Colt Model 733 has the A1E1 upper receiver (A1 rear sights, but has a brass deflector, like the Model 715 or any of the Canadian M16s)]]

=== Film ===

* [[Willem Dafoe]] as Sergeant Elias K. Grodin in ''[[Platoon]]'' (M653)

* [[Tom Berenger]] as Sgt. Bob Barnes in ''[[Platoon]]'' (M653)

* [[Robert De Niro]] as Neil McCauley in ''[[Heat]]'' (M733)

* [[Val Kilmer]] as Chris Shiherlis in ''[[Heat]]'' (M733)

* [[Michael Paul Chan]] as U.N. Cultural Attache of China Xian Chen in ''[[U.S. Marshals]]'' ((Colt AR-15 Carbine, Civilian version of the Colt M653); fitted with Aimpoint 9000 SC red dot scope and silencer)

* Delta Force operators and [[Ron Eldard]] as Mike Durant in ''[[Black Hawk Down]]'' (M727 and M733, fitted with various accessories including M68 Aimpoint red dot scopes, silencers, tactical flashlights, and camouflage paint)

* [[Linda Hamilton]] as Sarah Connor in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]'' (fitted with silencer, laser sight, and ACOG scope, and a standard issue one on the freeway shootout) (Supposed to be an XM177E2 but was Commercial Colt version of the Model 653 with a fake slip on flash hider)

* [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as the T-800 in ''[[Terminator 2: Judgement Day]]'' (Supposed to be an XM177E2 but was Commercial Colt version of the Model 653 with a fake slip on flash hider)

* Models at the Berlin Arms Fair in ''[[Lord of War]]'' (M653 and M723)

* Brazilian cops (BOPE members) in ''[[Elite Squad]]''
* Brad Whitaker ([[Joe Don Baker]]) in ''[[The Living Daylights]]'' (fitted with a transparent bullet-proof shield) (M733)
* [[Hugh Jackman]] as James Howlett in ''[[X-Men Origins: Wolverine]]'' (M733)
* A Navy SEAL in ''[[Hot Shots! Part Deux]]'' (fitted with a [[M203]]) (M653)
* Special Forces soldiers in ''[[Green Zone]]'' (With Aimpoint sights and Surefire Universal tactical lights) (M727)

=== Television ===

* [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] as Frank Parker in ''[[Seven Days]]'' (episode "The Fire Last Time", M733)

* [[Michael Gross]] as Burt Gummer in ''[[Tremors: The Series]]'' (episodes "Shriek and Destroy" and "Night of the Shriekers", M653)

* [[Victor Browne]] as Tyler Reed in ''[[Tremors: The Series]]'' (episode "Night of the Shriekers", M653)

* Pittsburg P.D. SWAT in ''[[The Kill Point]]'' (M653, fitted with Surefire M500AB weaponlights)

* ''[[Miami Vice]]''

=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="400"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || "M16A1 Menosar" || Model 653 || 2005
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || "M16A1 Mekotzrar" || Model 733, with A1-style upper reciever || 2005
|-
| [[Grand Theft Auto: Vice City]] || "M4" || Model 733 || 2002
|-
| [[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]] || "M4" || Model 733 || 2004
|-
| [[Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories]] || "M4" || Model 733 || 2005
|-
| [[Delta Force: Black Hawk Down]] || "CAR-15" || Model 727 || 2003
|-
|}

==AR-15 Carbine==
The AR-15 (for Armalite model 15)Carbine is the common name for the widely-owned semi-automatic rifle which soon afterwards became the selective fire M16 and M4 carbine assault rifles, which are currently in use by the United States military. AR-15 was the original name for what became the militarily designated M16, the assault rifle first used by the U.S. in the Vietnam War. The name AR-15 is now used almost exclusively to refer to the semi-automatic (commercially available) civilian version(s) of the M16 and M4 assault rifles.
Standard AR-15 rifles accept detachable magazines of widely varying capacities, and have a pistol grip that protrudes beneath the stock. AR-15 rifles are highly configurable and customizable. They are commonly fitted with several accessories such as bipods, folding or collapsing stocks, threaded barrels for the attachment of a flash suppressor, and a rail system for the attachment of vertical grips, flashlights, laser sights, telescopic sights, etc.
The AR-15 consists of separate upper and lower receiver assemblies, which are attached with two through-pins and can be quickly interchanged with no tools. The upper receiver assembly is simply considered a part, and may be freely purchased and mail-ordered in most locations. This is a very attractive feature for enthusiasts, who often purchase a number of upper receivers (often in different calibers) and interchange them with the same lower receiver. However, one must be thoroughly familiar with firearms laws before doing this as it is possible to make an illegal configuration.

[[Image:AR15earliervariant.jpg|thumb|right|500px|AR-15 Carbine with 20 round magazine.]]

===Films===
* [[Freddy Rodriguez]] as El Wray in [[Planet Terror]]

 

== M4/M4A1 Carbine ==

[[Image:ColtM4 FirstVersion.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with 4 position collapsible stock 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]

The M4 Carbine is a 14.5" barreled select fire Assault Rifle. It has a distinctive 'step down' in the barrel to allow for mounting the M203 grenade launcher. Many of them in the battlefield are customized with forearm rails (usually holding the AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, a vertical forward grip, sometimes a flashlight, or one of many types of rifle scopes and red-dot or reflex optics). The M4 has three round burst capability, while the M4A1 has full auto fire capability. The very earliest M4s delivered to the U.S. Army had fixed carry handles and were known in Colt's catalog as the Model 777; however, soon after, the military started buying the Model 920, which featured a detachable carry handle, but continued to call these guns "M4s". Contrary to popular misconception, the carry handles on most M4s and M4A1s are detachable, and most of these carbines are used with the carry handle removed, and a folding rear sight and optic being attached to the receiver instead. As far as the procurement program has always been concerned, the burst/auto capability is the only difference between an M4 and M4A1, however, the M4A1 also utilizes a heavier barrel profile under the handguards in order to prevent the barrel from rapidly overheating during fully automatic fire.

What is confusing is that many civilian commercial makers of AR-15 style rifles call their 16" Carbine '''"The M4"'''. Though there is no rule saying they can't name their gun whatever they want, the official M4 is the version used and originally issued by the U.S. Army and built by Colt. Colt tried to sue other gun makers to stop using the term 'M4' however, it was ruled that M4 refers to a '''type''' of firearm and Colt cannot copyright the term.

=== Film ===
* Boston P.D. S.W.A.T. officers in ''[[Edge of Darkness]]'' (2010)

* [[Kohl Sudduth]] as Officer Luther 'Suitcase' Simpson in ''[[Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise]]'' (2006)

* [[Jeremy Renner]] as Sergeant First Class William James in ''[[The Hurt Locker]]''

* [[Matt Damon]] as Roy Miller in ''[[Green Zone]]''

* "Company Men" in ''[[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]]''

* [[Gary Oldman]] as Ivan Korshunov in ''[[Air Force One]]'' (fitted with C-More Sight)

* [[Jeremy Renner]] as Brian Gamble, his men, and L.A. Police SWAT in ''[[S.W.A.T.]]'' ''(fitted with ACOG scopes and Surefire M500AB weaponlights)''

* TNT and rescue team members in ''[[Bad Boys II]]''

* SWAT officers and [[Nick Stahl]] as John Connor in ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' (fitted with various accessories including Surefire M500AB weaponlights and C-More red dot sights)

* Miami P.D. SWAT in ''[[Transporter 2]]''

* [[Robbie Gee]] as Kahn in ''[[Underworld]]'' (fitted with a scope and a Surefire M500AB weaponlight)

* Child recruits in ''[[Soldier]]'' (fitted with C-More red dot sights)

* [[Ray Stevenson]] as Frank Castle in ''[[Punisher: War Zone]]'' (fitted with a red dot sight, a sound suppresser, and a short version of the [[AG36 grenade launcher]]).

*[[Robert Downey Jr.]] as Kirk Lazarus in ''[[Tropic Thunder]]''.

* U.S. Army Soldiers in ''[[Cloverfield]]''

* U.S. Army Soldiers in ''[[Transformers]]'' (fitted with ACOG scopes, AN/PEQ-2 IR designators, and RIS foregrips, some having custom camo paint schemes)

* Resistance members in ''[[Children of Men]]''

* Carver's henchmen in ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''

* NSA Agents in ''[[XXX 2: State of the Union|XXX: State of the Union]]'' (fitted with Surefire M500AB weaponlights)

* [[Marton Csokas]] as Yorgi, [[Jan Pavel Filipensky]] as Viktor, and Yorgi's henchmen in ''[[XXX]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes, Beta-C mags, and RIS foregrips, Yorgi using one with a Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip)

* William Stryker ([[Brian Cox]])'s men in ''[[X2: X-Men United]]'' (fitted with RIS foregrips, laser pointers, and tactical flashlights)

* U.S. Army soldiers including [[Jeremy Renner]] as Doyle in ''[[28 Weeks Later]]'' (Renner using one fitted with RIS foregrip, EO-Tech red dot sight, and a night vision scope)

* [[Vin Diesel ]] as Toorop in ''[[Babylon A.D.]]''

* Used by Marines and SRT in ''[[Resident Evil Degeneration]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Lions for Lambs]]''

* A Secret Service agent in ''[[The Sentinel]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope)

* U.S. Soldiers in ''[[Dreamcatcher]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers and SWAT in ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes and RIS foregrips)

* U.S. military personnel in ''[[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]]'' (fitted with Trijicon RX01 red dot sight)

* US Navy SEALS and the Colombian Rogue Unit in ''[[Behind Enemy Lines: Colombia]]''

* SAS Commandos in ''[[31 North 62 East]]''

* FBI HRT members in ''[[The Cell]]''

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[Crazies, The (2010)|The Crazies]]''

=== Television ===

* U.S. Army soldiers and an Iraqi civilian in ''[[Over There]]'' (fitted with RIS foregrip and AN/PEQ-2 laser system)

* [[Keith Robinson]] as Pvt. Avery "Angel" King in ''[[Over There]]'' (fitted with RIS foregrip, AN/PEQ-2 laser system, and ACOG scope)

* U.S. military personnel in ''[[Stargate: SG1]]''

* Pittsburgh P.D. SWAT officers on ''[[The Kill Point]]''

* U.S. military regulars and Unit members in ''[[The Unit]]''

* Ravenwood mercenaries in ''[[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]'' (fitted with RIS foregrips, tactical flashlights, and M68 Aimpoint scopes)

*Several terrorists and a thug in ''[[Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman]]''

* Fake U.S. Marines in ''[[Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]'' (episode "Semper Fidelis", fitted with AN/PEQ-2 laser systems and M68 Aimpoint scopes)

* [[Keifer Sutherland]] as Agent Jack Bauer and most CTU Tactical Team members in ''[[24]]''

* Miami P.D. SWAT in ''[[CSI: Miami]]''

* SWAT in ''[[Heroes]]''

* Las Vegas P.D. SWAT in ''[[CSI: Crime Scene Investigation]]'' (fitted with Surefire M500AB weaponlights and M68 Aimpoint scopes)

* Various SAS troopers in ''[[Primeval]]'' (fitted with RIS foregrip, flip-up rear sight and ACOG scope)

* N.Y.P.D. SWAT in ''[[Unusuals, The|The Unusuals]]''

* ''[[Dark Blue (TV)]]''

=== Video Games ===

* ''[[50 Cent: Blood on the Sand]]''

* ''[[ArmA: Armed Assault]]'' (can be fitted with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS foregrip)

* ''[[Full Spectrum Warrior]]''

* ''[[Full Spectrum Warrior: Ten Hammers]]''

* ''[[America's Army]]'' (can be fitted with M68 Aimpoint red dot and ACOG scopes, Harris bipod, silencer, Trijicon RX01 red dot sight, and M203 grenade launcher)

* ''[[America's Army 3]]'' (can be fitted with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope)

* ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' (with M68 Aimpoint scope and flip-up rear sight)

* ''[[Max Payne]]''

* ''[[Counter-Strike]]'' (as the "Maverick M4A1 Carbine")

* ''[[Counter-Strike: Condition Zero]]'' (as the "Maverick M4A1 Carbine")

* ''[[Counter Strike: Source]]'' (as the "Maverick M4A1 Carbine")

* ''[[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]]'' (can be fitted with optional M203 grenade launcher, red dot sight, or ACOG scope)

* ''[[Grand Theft Auto IV]]''

* ''[[Kane and Lynch: Dead Men]]''

* U.S. Army Soldiers in ''[[Combat Mission: Shock Force]]'' (with M68 Aimpoint sight and optional M203 grenade launcher)

* ''[[Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots]]''

* ''[[Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty]]''

* ''[[Far Cry]]'' (as the "M4 Assault Weapon," despite being an M4A1)

* ''[[Far Cry Instincts: Predator]]'' (with C-More red dot sight, silencer, and camo paint scheme)

* ''[[Counter-Strike Online]]'' (as the "Maverick M4A1 Carbine",with plastic,camouflage,dragon and gold finishes)

* ''[[Urban Terror]]''

* ''[[Combat Arms]]''

* ''[[ArmA II]]'' (with M68 Aimpoint scope and RIS handguards)

* ''[[SWAT 4]]'' (with Surefire M500AB weaponlight and vertical foregrip)

* ''[[Insurgency]]'' (with M68 Aimpoint scope or RIS foregrip)

* ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]''

* ''[[Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction]]'' (as the "Carbine")

* ''[[Mercenaries 2: World In Flames]]'' (as the "Carbine")

* ''[[Saints Row]]'' (as the "AR40 Xtnd," despite being an M4A1)

* ''[[Saints Row 2]]'' (as the "AR40 Xtnd," despite being an M4A1)

* ''[[Army of TWO]]'' (can be fitted with folding stock, M203 grenade launcher, box magazine, folding stock, and SIR rail system.)

=== Anime ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| || [[Kochikame, The UFO Movie]] || ||
|-
|Sousuke Sagara || [[Full Metal Panic]] || ||
|-
|1st Division operators || [[Ga-rei: Zero]] || || 2008
|}

== M4/M4A1 with M203 Grenade Launcher ==
[[Image:CM4-M203.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]
[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|right|500px|M4A1 carbine 5.56x45mm with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flip-up rear sight, and M203 grenade launcher 40mm]]

=== Film ===

* [[Eamonn Walker]] as Ellis "Zee" Pettigrew and [[Paul Francis]] as Danny "Doc" Kelley in ''[[Tears of the Sun]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint scopes)

* U.S. Army soldiers in ''[[War of the Worlds]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint and ACOG scopes, C-More red dot sights, and AN/PEQ-2 laser systems)

* [[Thomas_Jane|Thomas Jane]] as Frank Castle in ''[[The Punisher (2004)|The Punisher]]'' (fitted with M68 Aimpoint Close Combat Optic)

* [[Götz Otto]] as Richard Stamper in ''[[Tomorrow Never Dies]]''

* [[Jake La Botz]] as Reese in ''[[Rambo (2008)|Rambo]]'' (fitted with ACOG scope and camo paint scheme)

* [[Henry Ian Cusick]] as Udre Belicoff in ''[[Hitman]]''

* [[Tyrese Gibson]] as TSgt. Bobby Epps in ''[[Transformers]]'' (with ACOG scope and camouflage paint scheme)

* A U.S. Marine in ''[[Sum of All Fears, The|The Sum of All Fears]]'' (with Trijicon RX01 red dot sight)

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || Sgt.Maj. Jonas "Snake Doctor" Blane || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || With various optics and attachments || 2006 - 2009
|-
| Various || U.S. Army soldiers || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] || || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Luke MacFarlane]] || Pvt. Frank "Dim" Dumphy || [[Over There]] || With an M68 red dot sight, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 Grenade Launcher]]|| 2005
|-
| [[Alexander Skarsgard]] || Sgt. Brad "Iceman" Colbert || [[Generation Kill]] || With AN/PVS-17 night-vision and ACOG scopes and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2008
|-
| [[Brian Wade]] || Cpt. Craig "Encino Man" Schwetje || [[Generation Kill]] || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2008
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Appears as'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="400"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[America's Army]] || || With M68 Aimpoint red dot & ACOG scopes, silencer, and camouflage paint scheme, able to fire HEDP and flare rounds || 2002
|-
| [[Project Reality]] || || With ACOG scope or ITL MARS red dot sight || 2005
|-
| [[Combat Mission: Shock Force]] || || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007
|-
| [[Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare]] || M4A1 Grenadier / M4A1 SOPMOD || With EOTech red dot sight or SureShot Reflex sight and suppressor || 2007
|-
| [[ArmA II]] || || With EOTech red dot sight and camouflage paint scheme || 2009
|-
|[[Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising]] || || With AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2009
|-
|}

== Colt Model 933 ==
[[Image:ColtM4commando.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Colt m4 commando 03.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 with stock extended 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Colt m933 03.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Model 933 with SIRS handguard, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, and M68 Aimpoint red dot scope 5.56x45mm]]

The Colt Model 933 carbine is similar to the M4 carbine listed above, except with an 11.5" barrel as opposed to the 14.5" barrel on the M4. Aside from that, it has all the same features, including the removable carry handle/rear sight assembly. This has led some people (including Airsoft manufacturers) to nickname it the "M4 Commando" or "M4 CQB", though these are not its' official designations.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Transformers]] || [[Josh Duhamel]] || Captain William Lennox || With M68 Aimpoint red dot & AN/PVS-17 night vision scopes, Vltor Clubfoot stock, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, and Phantom muzzle brake || 2007
|-
| [[Harsh Times]] || [[Christian Bale]] || Jim Davis || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, Surefire weaponlight, and RIS foregrip || 2006
|-
| [[Romeo Must Die]] || [[DMX]] || Silk || With custom muzzle brake || 2000
|-
| [[Home of the Brave]] || || U.S. Army soldiers || || 2006
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Dennis Haysbert]] || SGM Jonas "Snake Doctor" Blane || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Five Brothers", "Play 16" || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Scott Foley]] || SFC Bobby "Cool Breeze" Brown || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Five Brothers", "Play 16" || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Max Martini]] || MSGT Mack "Dirt Diver" Gerhardt || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Five Brothers", "Play 16" || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009
|-
| [[Michael Irby]] || SFC Charles "Betty Blue" Grey || [[Unit, The|The Unit]] / "Five Brothers", "Play 16" || With EOTech red dot sight, Crane stock, RIS foregrip, and AN/PEQ-2 IR designator || 2006 - 2009
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Passwords'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Battlefield 2]] || Promotional material only, with M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || || 2005
|-
|}

=== Anime ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Film Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| Lewis || [[Blood+]] || With Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip and EOTech red dot sight || 2005 - 2006
|-
| U.S. Special Forces soldiers || [[Blood+]] || With Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrips and EOTech red dot sights || 2005 - 2006
|-
|}

==CQB-R / Mk. 18 Mod 0==
[[Image:M4A1CQBR.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Mk. 18 Mod 0 5.56x45mm with RIS handguard]]

An even shorter-barreled M4 Carbine, it has about a 10.5 inch barrel. The upper receiver, which is used on a regular M4 lower receiver, is designated CQB-R (Close Quarters Battle-Receiver), while the entire weapon system is designated as Mark 18 Mod 0 by the United States Navy. Used by Navy VBSS units, NCIS and Navy SEALs. It is another one of the weapons that fell under the 'M4 Commando' Nickname as an airsoft gun.

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Blood Work]] || [[Jeff Daniels]] || Jasper 'Buddy' Noone || With front sight removed and C-More red dot sight || 2002
|-
| [[Tropic Thunder]] |||| Flaming Dragons guerrilla || With ACOG sight || 2008
|-
| [[The Expendables]] ||[[Sylvester Stallone]]|| Barney "The Schizo" Ross || With EOTech sight, tactical flashlight and suppressor || 2010
|-
| [[The Losers]] |||| Various characters || With various accessories || 2010
|-
|}

=== Television ===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Kiefer Sutherland]] || Jack Bauer || [[24 - Season 7|24]] / Season 7 "Episode 15 - 10:00 P.M. - 11:00 P.M." || With Aimpoint M4 red dot sight, Aimpoint 3x Magnifier, Gemtech G5 suppressor, LaRue Tactical 7.0 railed handguard, Yankee Hill Mfg front & rear sights, DPMS Inc. 4-railed Gas Block, and Vltor Modstock || 2001 - 2010
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Mods'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Passwords'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Combat Arms]] || As the "M4A1 CQB-R", with Crane stock and SOPMOD rear sight || || 2008
|-
|}

=== Anime ===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="125"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="125"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="125"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Angel Beats!]] || Yuri || with EOTech Holograhic sight and Beta C-Mag 100 rounds drum magazine ||2010
|-
|}

 
 
 

==Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine==
A civilian released carbine rifle with a 16" barrel, A2 upper reciever. Designed for law enforcement.
[[Image:ColtAR-15A2GovernmentCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
===Film===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Fast and the Furious, The|The Fast and the Furious]] || || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || With M16-style stock || 2001
|-
| [[Conspiracy Theory]] || [[John Schwartzman]] || Sniper || With night-vision scope, 20-round magazine, and laser pointer || 1997
|-
|}

===Television===
===Anime===
===Video Games===

 

==Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine==
A civilian released carbine rifle with a 16" barrel and a removable carry handle. By designating this rifle as an "A3", much confusion has been made leading people to believe the M16A3 has a removable carry handle as opposed to the M16A4.
[[Image:ColtAR-15A3TacticalCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine with 20-round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Fast and the Furious, The|The Fast and the Furious]] || || L.A.P.D. SWAT officer || With M16-style stock || 2001
|-
|}

===Television===
===Anime===
===Video Games===

 

==Colt Law Enforcement Carbine==
The "M4A1" of the civilian world, this rifle has a 16" barrel (as opposed to the M4A1's 14.5") with step-cuts to attach a launcher such as an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and the [[Cobray 37mm Launcher]]. In films, this gun has been converted to full auto to trick viewers into believing it is an M4A1, earning it the nickname "M4gery".
[[Image:ColtLawEnforcementCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]

===Film===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="220"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[I Am Legend]] || [[Will Smith]] || Dr. Robert Neville || With ACOG scope and PentagonLight MD3R weaponlight || 2007
|-
| [[Casino Royale]] || || Miami-Dade Police || || 2006
|-
|}

===Television===

===Anime===

===Video Games===

 

== Colt 9mm Submachine Gun ==

[[Image:Colt-9mm--SMG.jpg‎ |thumb|right|500px|Colt 9mm SMG aka (''Colt Model R0635'') - 9x19mm ]]
[[Image:ColtR6450-9mmCarbine.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Colt 9mm Carbine aka (''AR-15A2 Sporter II carbine in 9mm'') also officially known as the ''Colt Model R6450'' - 9x19mm. This version is an R6450 barreled upper on a full auto R0635 lower for law enforcement. ]]

=== Film ===

* [[Vin Diesel]] as DEA Agent Sean Vetter in ''[[A Man Apart]]''

* [[Chow Yun-Fat]] as John Lee and Terence Wei's men in ''[[The Replacement Killers]]''

* An FBI Special Agent in ''[[Collateral]]''

* [[Melinda Clark]] as Jessica Priest in ''[[Spawn]]'' (heavily customized with flammable chemicals canister, C-More sight, and laser sight)

* NSA commandos and hidden in the back seat of the GTO in ''[[XXX]]'' (fitted with Surefire M500AB forend weaponlight and C-More red dot sight)

* One of the Merovingian's henchmen in ''[[The Matrix Reloaded]]''

* Special operations soldiers in ''[[The Siege]]'' (fitted with C-More red dot sights)

* Human resistance fighters in ''[[Battlefield Earth]]''

===Television===

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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Show Title / Episode'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="80"|'''Air Date'''
|-
| [[Johnathan LaPaglia]] || Frank Parker || [[Seven Days]] / "Daddy's Little Girl" || || 1998 - 2001
|-
|}

=== Video Games ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Game Title'''
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Passwords'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[Enter the Matrix]] || As the "9mm Carbine" || || 2003
|-
|}
 

== Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle ==
[[Image:Mk12Mod0.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Mark 12 Mod 0 SPR with Parker & Hale bipod 5.56x45mm]]
===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[28 Weeks Later]] || || Delta Sniper || With 30-round magazine.|| 2007
|-
| [[Live Free or Die Hard]] || [[Cyril Raffaelli]] || Rand || With silencer, brass catcher, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip, and Leupold CQ/T scope || 2007
|-
| [[Hitman]] || || Sniper || With AN-PEQ-2 IR designator, silencer, and Surefire M900 weaponlight foregrip || 2007
|-
|}

===Video Games===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|''' Release Date'''
|-
| [[America's Army]] || With bipod and optional silencer || || 2002
|-
| [[Ghost Recon 2]] || Incorrectly firing 6.8mm ammo || || 2004
|-
| [[ArmA II]] || || || 2009
|}

== Commercial Copies of the M16 Rifle series ==
[[Image:Bushmaster ar15 carbine.jpg|thumb|500px|right|The Bushmaster HBAR Carbine - listed in the Bushmaster Sales catalog as "Bushmaster 16" Heavy Barrel Carbine" - 5.56x45mm]]
Many of the guns seen as '''Colt''' model guns aren't Colt at all, but the many various other manufacturer copies of the M16/AR-15 series of firearms. The most common clones are the guns made by Bushmaster, PWA, Eagle Arms. Though there are now many semiautomatic rifles made by companies like Panther DPMS and others, most of the Movie Prop houses acquired their guns before the 1990s. So only the most common third part manufacturers will be seen. Since it's difficult to determine which maker built the gun, for the sake of simplicity, the rifle variants in movies will be identified by the COLT model they most look like.
===Film===

* [[Barry Pepper]] as Mike Norton in ''[[Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, The]]''

* [[Rose McGowan]] as Cherry Darling in ''[[Planet Terror]]'' (as a prostetic leg with grenade launcher)

 

==Rock River Arms Tactical CAR-A4 DEA Carbine==
[[Image:RRA DEA.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Rock River Arms Tactical CAR-A4 Carbine 5.56x45mm with EOTech 552.A65 Holographic sights, a GG&G A2-style BUIS (Back Up Iron Sight), Hogue rubber pistol grip, SureFire M73 1913 Picatinny fore end rail system, and SureFire M951XM05 tactical light w/M49 mount (for M73 rail).]]
The standard rifle for DEA agents.

===Television===

* Used by DEA agents in the SPIKE TV series ''[[DEA]]''
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

==LaFrance Specialties M16K==
[[Image:LaFranceM16K223.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LaFrance Specialties M16K w/o Forward Assis- 5.56x45mm. ]]
[[Image:LaFranceM16K223a.jpg|thumb|right|500px|LaFrance Specialties M16K w/ Forward Assist - 5.56x45mm.]]
Note the sight arrangement to reduce weight and restriction for confined spaces. Special order weapon system built for Law Enforcement and Government Agencies.

===Film===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Escape from L.A.]] || [[Kurt Russell]] || Snake Pliskin || Used as base for [[(Escape from L.A.) - Coreburner|Coreburner]] || 1996
|-
| [[Police Story 3: Supercop]] || [[Jackie Chan]] || Inspector Chan || With 90-round drum magazine || 1992
|-
| [[Dead Pool, The|The Dead Pool]] || || Mob assassin || || 1988
|-
| [[Pink Cadillac]] || || Militia member || || 1989
|-
|}
 

== Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match" ==
[[Image:Bushmaster xm15 vmatch 20.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match" Note smooth handguard and absence of front sight - 5.56x45mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Mr. & Mrs. Smith]] || || || Seen leaning against wall || 2005
|-
| [[Soldier]] || || Arcadia 234 Inhabitant || With C-More red dot sight || 1998
|-
|}

== Olympic Arms K23B ==
[[Image:Full-k23b.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Olympic Arms K23B 5.56x45mm]]

=== Film ===

{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Departed, The|The Departed]] || || SWAT officers || || 2006
|-
| [[Righteous Kill]] || [[Robert De Niro]] || Turk || || 2008
|-
| [[Righteous Kill]] || [[Al Pacino]] || Rooster || || 2008
|-
|}

 

== Non Firing Replicas of the M16 Rifle ==
===MGC M-16 Model Gun Corp Replica Rifle===
[[Image:MGC16.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan and one of the most used non firing replicas of the M16 in movies and television. The 'forward assist' on the early models like the one imaged here are bolt inserts to keep the receiver together. Modern MGC M16 replicas have improved by third parties over the years (like adding A1 flash hiders) making it more accurate to the real thing making it harder for 'Connoisseurs' to identify]]
[[Image:MGC16 Closeup.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC M16 Assault rifle: a non firing metal replica built by the Model Gun Corp of Japan. This is a '''closeup''' of the receiver and clearly shows how the ''''fake' forward assist''' is actually a connector with allen nut in the back. Removal of this nut separates the upper and lower receivers.]]
[[Image:MGC CAR-15w20RdMag.jpg|thumb|right|500px|MGC CAR-15 replica assault rifle with 20 round MGC magazine.]]
[[Image:MGC CAR15.jpg|thumb|right|500px|The MGC CAR-15 Assault rifle: Model Gun Corporation's XM177 offering. Interesting enough, MGC called their replica rifle the '''CAR-15''' which was Colt's name for the civilian (non-military designation) rifle, rather than any of the names give by the U.S. Military. This replica rifle was built on the same MGC M16 receiver, however the buttstock was pot metal, not plastic and it did not telescope. Instead the makers of the gun split the difference and locked the non-adjustable stock into the 'half extended/half closed' position. This feature did not enamor replica gun collectors to the weapon and it did not sell well.]]
Before the advent of inexpensive Airsoft guns there were precious few replica weapons that could be used in productions if they didn't want to have a live firing weapon on set, or for a stunt or if they didn't have the budget to get a real gun (and armorer). Though the U.S. Army had a "rubber duck", i.e. slang for the hard rubber training M16 they used, it was not readily available on demand for the movie prop houses of the 1970s and the 1980s. Thus the metal REPLICA gun was used (those models that were actually available for purchase). Model Gun Corporation of Japan made and built excellent quality metal replica guns between the late 1960s and the early 1980s and the most utilized one was the '''MGC M16 assault rifle'''. They were sold in the United States by Collector's Armory, Ltd. (and should not be confused with the inferior quality zinc-pot metal replicas currently coming in from Spain). There is also the '''MGC XM177 Commando''' carbine variant (listed in the catalog as the '''CAR-15'''), which is basically the same as above but with a non-retractable stock for imitation purposes.

If you've seen a movie with M16s in it, chances are you've seen many replicas of the rifle on camera.

In the following, the use of a metal replica M16 was (painfully) obvious:

===Film===

* ''[[Apocalypse Now]]'' : mounted on the PBR boat, shot up by tracer rounds.

* ''[[Full Metal Jacket]]'' : the MGC M16 was visible being held by all soldiers who carried the M16. Only when they were firing on screen, did it switch to a live version of the weapon.

* ''[[Hamburger Hill]]'' : used by background Airborne Soldiers during a medical Evac.

* ''[[The Spy Who Loved Me]]'' : used by the British/Russian/US Navy Sailors during the gun battle on the ''Liparus''.

* ''[[Predator]]'' : Used by Dutch ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]), for a scene where his rifle is blown up by the Predator.

* ''[[Commando]]'' : Used by bad guys who kidnap Matrix and hold their M16s on him.

* ''[[Uncommon Valor]]'' : in any of the armory scenes or flashback scenes of soldiers not firing their M16s, the MGC M16 is evident. Also the CAR-15 replica is heavily used by the LRRP teams in the beginning of the film.

* ''[[First Blood]]'' : the Army National Guardsmen are seen holding many MGC M16 rifles. Only when an actor fired, did the weapon change to a real weapon.

* ''[[Rambo: First Blood Part II]]'' : seen in the weapons hold of the pirate boat used to smuggle Rambo up river.

* ''[[Hulk]]'' : when the Hulk explodes out of the ground on Powell Street in San Francisco, many of the U.S. Army Soldiers were carrying MGC-16 replica rifles (in addition to real AR15-A2 rifles). One of the soldiers holding the fake rifle has a closeup in one of the 'split screen' shots of their reaction to the Hulk.

* ''[[The Final Countdown]]'' : used by Marines on the deck of the Nimitz in scenes where there is no firing.

* ''[[Barb Wire]]'' : outfitted with ill fitting 30 round magazines, A2 handguards and A1 birdcage flash hiders, held by Congressionals.

* ''[[Dragon Wars: D-War]]'' : outfitted with ill fitting 30 round magazines, A2 handguards and A1 birdcage flash hiders, used by background U.S. Army troops defending Los Angeles.

* Used by many cadets in ''[[Taps]]''

* ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' : some of the Army National Guard soldiers near the climax can be seen with these weapons fitted with A1-style flash hiders, supplimenting real M16A1's.

* An L.A.P.D. SWAT officer in ''[[Bandits]]'' (fitted with A2-style handguards)

* Used by soldiers in ''[[Land of the Dead]]''

===Television===

* ''[[Matt Houston]]''

* ''[[The Incredible Hulk (TV Series)]]''

* ''[[The A-Team]]''

* ''[[Tour of Duty]]''

* ''[[China Beach]]''

* ''[[V (TV series)]]''

* ''[[V.I.P.]]''
 

==.22 caliber Clones of the M16 Rifle==

[[Image:Armi-Jager-AP-15.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Armi-Jager AP15 rifle - .22 LR. The AP -15 has a slab side receiver and a tiny ejection port (for the .22 brass) and a birdcage flash hider. The AP74 has a three prong flash hider.]]
[[Image:AdlerJagerAP74.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Adler-Jager AP74 rifle - .22 LR. Note the sharply angled three prong flash hider and the forward assist, which differentiate it from the AP15.]]

===Adler-Jager AP-74/Armi-Jager AP-15===

Made in Italy and imported by Mitchell Arms, these M16 clones were chambered for .22 LR and looked very similar to the M16 or M16A1 rifles. The dummy "20 round magazine" was a solid part of the lower receiver. A small .22LR magazine was inserted into the bottom of the dummy magazine. They were used sometimes in films due to budgetary reasons, since low budget films (especially in the 1970s and 80s) could pick up a .22LR M16 clone for less than a real AR-15. There were .22LR guns imported into the U.S. with either Armi-Jager or Adler-Jager markings (but the Armi-Jager was most common), so both names are correct.

* Peter ([[Ken Foree]]) and Roger ([[Scott H. Reiniger]]) in ''[[Dawn of the Dead (1978)]]'' (AP-74)

* American Soldiers in ''[[1968 Tunnel Rats]]'' (2009) (AP-74)

* American Soldiers in ''[[Baader Meinhof Complex, The (Der Baader Meinhof Komplex)]]'' (AP-74)

* NYPD ESU officer in ''[[Leon (The Professional)]]'' (AP-15 fitted with a fake grenade launcher)

===Armscor M16 22===
[[Image:ArmscorpM1622.jpg|thumb|right|500px|Armscor (Squires Bingham of the Philippines) M16 22 rifle - .22 LR. Sometimes sold as the ''M-1600'']]
Armscor (out of the Philippines) made another .22LR clone rifle, the Armscor M16 22, however this rifle looked even less like a real M16 and was rarely (if ever) used in a film to impersonate an M16 rifle.
 

=See Also=

* [[Armalite AR-10]] - Firearm from which the M16 is derived.
** [[Knight's Armament SR-25]] - Firearm that uses the AR-10 (and by extension the M16) as the base of its' design, sometimes mistaken for the Mk 12 Special Purpose Rifle.

* [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] - Firearm derived from the M4.

* [[Barrett REC7|Barrett REC7 & Barrett M468]] - Firearms derived from the M16 series in 6.8x43mm Remington SPC.

* [[LWRC SRT rifle series]] -Firearms derived from AR-15.

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Eventually I will give this page the revamp it deserves. I'll remove my terrible widescreen shots and make this page full. I promise. -GM
:Doing it now :) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Finished. But I'm going to add a lot more fun stuff and devote a whole section to Stan Winston, in honor of his passing (since I have just about every movie his animatronics are in, you guys will see shots from those movies here). - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:I would really prefer if you didn't. Not that I don't respect Winston (having grown up a ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' fan), but this is IMFDB. Remember, we need to be somewhat careful about how many images and other stuff we upload. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well I gave it a try. I think of it as info like MPM adds to his page, similair to the Rambo III page. I tried to keep the Winston section small but heartfelt. How does everything look now that it is done. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Handheld Minigun ==

It's been a while since I saw the Shotgun News article where they sold the handheld Minigun but I do belive that the Minigun was geared down to a very low 1,250 round per minut rate of fire. I'm going to ask a friend in the class 3 community to confirm that with one of the people who owned the Predator.T2 minigun. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 07:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you can find more info on that it would be much appreciated - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Who cares what an article says? The gun is firing so slow you can see the barrel cluster rotating clearly with no motion blur on camera or anything. It's not hard to count the revolutions the barrel cluster makes with the film in slow motion and use some simple math to deduce that the weapon is only firing about 240 rounds per minute. The special features in T2 even claim that the weapon is capable of firing more than "600 RPM" and that's a direct quote. The weapon may have been firing at 1250 RPM in Predator where you can see Jesse visibly wincing while firing it, but it was slowed WAY down in T2 so that the Terminator could fire it with no reaction whatsoever.
:Frankly it can't be fireing as slow as you said 240 RPM is the rate of fire you find with Semi-automatic weapons.For a full fledged Machinegun it's a rediculous rate of fire. The article was from back when Stembridge went into Liquidation and were selling all there movie guns. Thus it confirms the last known configuration and abilities of that specific minigun. Thus it trumps some uninformed idiot just guessing at something they obviously know nothing about. Your use of the term "Real Steel" Indicates that you are just some Airsofter who rarely if ever deals with real weapons.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

An article about the gun almost a decade after the movie is released beats empirical evidence? Since when has that ever been a reasonable stance? Why don't you actually watch the movie and see how ridiculously slow the barrels are turning. Then try and tell me that they are spinning at 200+ revolutions per minute, or 3+ per second, which would be what is necessary to achieve that fire rate. Is the gun really making three revolutions per second? You can look visually and tell that it isn't, even without a stop watch.

You could also apply common sense. The gun is obviously firing much faster in Predator than in Terminator 2. So if the gun in T2 is firing 1250 rounds per minute, then how fast must it be firing in Predator? Why is it that Jesse Ventura is almost winching in pain from firing the thing and Arnold has no problem at all?

Let's try using our brain next time before we start insulting random people and posting blatant lies based on a joke someone made on the Terminator Salvation page. For the record I have fired a few machine guns in my time, along with grenade launchers, shotguns, pistols and rifles and even the odd paintball gun. I've never touched an Airsoft weapon though. Nice try. It totally drives your point home when you label someone an "Airsofter" "idiot" "guesser" who "knows nothing" and "rarely if ever deals with real weapons." Next time attack my argument instead of me, and you might make a more convincing case, particularly when the guy you are talking smack about is in charge of an armory. :)

You are makeing claims about weapons that are so blatantly false that guys who have worked on the specific weapon in question laugh. The "information" you post is so inaccurate that they think I'm jokeing at first. While we do not have current access to the T2/Predator minigun I do have a line of contact with the technical advisor to Predator and Dan Shea who liquidated the Stembridge armory back durring the mid 1990s. Dan Shea was the guy who wrote the article stating the rate of fire for the Predator/T2 minigun in it's last known configuration. Given that Stembridge went under shortly after Terminator 2 it's safe to say that the weapon was fireing at 1,250 RPM durring Terminator 2. Not the rediculously slow rate of 240 RPM you have stated. There is a reason that I talk with people who have experiance with specific movie firearms, they are not pulling information out of thin air and are speaking in facts.--[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 16:56, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

What facts? The only fact is that the weapon is not cycling fast enough to fire at the rate that you are claiming. That is the only fact. All you have to do is get over your pride just long enough to put in the movie and skip to that scene. Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll have another look at the scene just to verify that I was not completely out of my mind. I recommend you do the same, because appealing to authority is great and all, but when you have video evidence, why not just look at it yourself and make your own judgment?

I just looked at the first second of firing. Looks like it fired about 7 shots in that first second which would be about 420RPM, one third the fire rate you're claiming. I don't know. It looks slow as hell to me. One possibility is that the bursts are fired for such short intervals that the gun doesn't have time to get up to speed. I don't know. But those barrels are spinning ridiculously slow even for a movie Minigun. I strongly urge you to actually watch the movie.
: you mean [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njxRPt81llg This Scene]where the minigun is spitting out brass and link in large quantities? We deal in facts here and not the opinions of those who have nothing to back up what they say. I've done a lot of research about that weapon and I've had to correct friends who've instructed other's in the use of machineguns for 25+ years when it comes to film weapons. With the Predator/T2 Minigun it makes absolutly no sense for the film Armorer to build a gearbox that is so low in RPM and then build the 1,250 round per minute gearbox the weapon was sold with. --[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

You mean other then the fact that weapon is firing at a much higher fire rate in Predator than in T2. The DVD features in T2 Ultimate Edition state the Minigun fires at "over 600 RPM."

In the T2 Extreme Edition DVD, director James Cameron does state in his DVD commentary that the minigun was "detuned" from 6000 rounds per minute to 4000 rounds per minute.
--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 10:53, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to criticize the person who "counted" the rotations, but unfortunately that doesn't work. I'm not going to get into details, especially because I wouldn't be able to give the explanation that a physicist would, but it has to do with the frames per second that the camera films at and the way that eyes relate information to the brain...its the same way that a wheel or helicopter blade might appear to be spinning backwards, at an incorrect speed, or not at all. For example say the frame rate is 30 frames per second it essentially takes 1 "picture" every 30th of a second, since the barrels are all uniform if any of the six barrels are in the exact same place a 30th of a second later then in the next "picture" the barrels will look exactly the same as in the first, string a bunch of these together in a video and the barrels will look stationary, or if one of the barrels is at a slightly different position in the rotation in the next shot the barrels might look like they're spinning slowly or backwards. Sorry, that was a really long explanation. -[[User:SoldierofUnfortune|SoldierofUnfortune]]
:Also, I just had a quick question, I remember reading or maybe hearing in special features, that in Predator when the M134 was fired, whoever was firing it had to wear some sort of protection from the spent shells, I figured the same was true for Terminator 2, but in the picture of the special features James Cameron is in Jeans and a T-Shirt. Were there any modifications that negated the need for some sort of protection or am I just mistaken that they needed any in Predator? -[[User:SoldierofUnfortune|SoldierofUnfortune]]
I've currently got someone who is trying to get more information about the weapon in Question from Dan Shea. He's the guy who sold off alot of the Stembridge guns and might, and I do mean might, currently own the weapon in Question. As far as safty concerns when fireing a minigun. In the experiance of myself and friends in the Class 3 community with a full 6,000rpm minigun all you need is standard ear and eye protection when shooting such a weapon. As far as the film crew goes as they are usually in the path of the muzzle blast from such a weapon they do have to take stronger precations than usual.

==Technically==
Even though [[Mail Call]] has the most guns at 98 currently, this page is technically the largest on the site. It has the most pictures and written information of any page on IMFDB, even check largest pages section on Special pages. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

::Just to bring up that some of the guns on Mail Call are repeats. Don't think it counts if you repeat some of the guns just because they appear again in a different season. I mean, Garand, M16, BAR. Repeated 3 times and you count them to the weapons count? That's cheating. You're supposed to just list the different kinds of guns shown and say if they appear in other seasons than to repeat them again. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I guess that's a good point. Still, it took just as long to do the page as any other huge page, even though there are repeats. And I liked my format, I document the guns in each season individually, so no gun pic is weeded out do to excessive screencaps (which I've been ragged on about quite a bit). Even if the guns repeat, the time put into it and the amount of information would still make it the largest page, but I couldn't necessarily say it has the most guns. Once I get the rest of the seasons (which Ebay has now failed me on so finding the DVDs will be harder) the page will be too big to hold it all and likely split into sections. Anyway, it was dumb to make a competition out of page making. My bad. If [[Unit, The|The Unit]] has just a little more format correcting (image sizing and linking) it will be a great page. Right now it seems a little "rough draft". No offense of course. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the samed year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

== Dirt bikes in this film are Hondas. ==

The dirt bike used by Jon Connor was not a Yamaha DT50. The bike used by Edward Furlong was a 1990 Honda XR80, while the one used by his stund double was a XR100 of the samed year. Both bikes had their front and side number plates removed, and were dirtied up to give them an older look.

== Too long? ==

This page is really, really, really long. I think its cool how there is some Stan Winston stuff on here but I just think the bloopers and some other stuff kinda overkills it. Whoever worked on this did a very good job, but should this be page be trimed a little? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 05:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with that statement, the trivia takes up almost half the page. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:33, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::The Stan Winston stuff could be moved to its own page. That would take out some of it. It's an extremely popular page, so the extra trivia stuff makes it nice, besides if you don't care about that stuff, you don't have to scroll down that far. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:::I agree with Predator. The trivia makes the page really interesting.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, no doubt that its interesting....but you have to remember that this is IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:38, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
::Not to mention that people will use this page as justification for making pages full of irrelevant/uninteresting crap.(not that I think the trivia on this page is uninteresting, but it is sort of irrelevant) --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:39, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree that it is very nicely down. The one reason I wouldn’t want to see it changed is because I know whoever added that info had to have worked pretty hard on it. But I also agree to the fact that it is pretty much irrelevant, although cool at the same time. Thats why I suggest just trimming it. So I dont know what comes next, maybe we all agree to disagree lol.--[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 02:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
::I think the entire section except maybe the Stan Winston Memorial should be cutted and pasted into the discussion page. That way it will not be cluttering the main page with irrelevant info but it will also preserve GM45's work. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

== 40mm grenade arming ranges... ==

There are a couple of "families" of 40mm rounds. The M381/M386/M406 HE rounds are one. The only basic differences are the fuses used. The M381 uses a ''M552'' point-detonating fuse that arms from the centrifugal force of spinning in the rifling after the initial set-back from firing and arms ''in 2 to 3 meters.'' In use, this grenade did pose a danger to firers if used without firing from cover because the casualty radius is something like 5 meters. The M386 and later rounds use the ''M551'' fuse that has adds a little more complexity to make sure the grenade does not arm until it is 14 meters to 28 meters from the launcher.

Therefore, it is unlikely an active duty soldier/Marine would be issued a M381 out of normal supply, but it's more likely someone using older supplies would be more likely to find one. 40mm grenades going off at short range is therefore--like cookies to the Cookie Monster now--"a sometimes" thing...

Beverly Hills Cop III

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Deathbunny: /* Heckler & Koch MP5K */

Beverly Hills Cop III

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Deathbunny: /* Smith & Wesson Model 36 */

Brendan Fraser

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Deathbunny:

'''Brendan Fraser can be seen using the following weapons in the following films:'''
[[Image:TM_1911_2.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Brendan Fraser as Rick O'Connell with a [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|Colt M1911A1]] In ''[[The Mummy]]''.]]

* [[CZ 75 | CZ 75B]] as Colombian druglord-Elliot in ''[[Bedazzled]]''.

* [[M1911 pistol series#M1911A1|M1911A1]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy]]'' in ''[[The Mummy Returns]]'' and in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

* [[Winchester Model 1897]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy]]''

* [[Chamelot-Delvigne Model 1873|Chamelot-Delvigne Revolvers]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy]]''

* [[Lebel 1886|Lebel 1886 Rifle]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy]]''

* [[Lewis gun]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy]]''

* [[M16 rifle series#M16A2 Rifle|M16A2]] as PFC Link in ''[[In the Army Now]]''

* [[Winchester Model 1887]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy Returns]]''

* [[Smith & Wesson Mk II Hand Ejector|"Smith & Wesson Mk.I Hand Ejector"]] in "[[The Mummy Returns]]"

* [[Colt Single Action Army]] as Rick O' Connell in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

* [[Smith & Wesson Model 10]] as Rick O' Connell in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

* [[Sten]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

* [[Thompson Submachine Gun#M1928/M1928A1 Thompson|M1928 Thompson]] as Rick O'Connell in ''[[The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor]]''

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day

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Deathbunny: /* M79 grenade launcher */

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'':'''
[[Image:Terminator_2_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)'']]

==Winchester 1887==
Upon arriving in the present (believed to be 1995 in the film), the Terminator Model T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) enters a biker bar and takes the clothes and firearm off a biker. As he prepares to leave on the biker's Harley Fatboy, the T-800 is confronted by the bar owner, who fires a warning shot from his sawed-off [[Winchester Model 1887|Winchester 1887]]. The Terminator coolly walks over and snatches the gun from his hand.

Three versions of the gun were used during filming. The first was the iconic "Rosebox Shotgun" with a sawed off barrel and stock and the trigger guard cut out. This is the gun seen through most of the film. The second version had a large lever loop so the gun could be flip cocked one-handed while riding a motorcycle (similar to the actions seen in ''[[True Grit]]'' and ''[[The Rifleman]]''). James Cameron says in the commentary how Arnold accidentally picked up the wrong shotgun and tried to flip cock it and nearly broke three fingers. The third gun was the rubber prop gun for stunt work. The Terminator keeps the gun as his main weapon for a good portion of the film until he comes upon Sarah Connor's ([[Linda Hamilton]]) armory, where more superior weapons are at his disposal.

Since Winchester had stopped producing the Winchester 1887 shotgun before the film, the armorers had to find pristine condition guns which were no longer in production! The guns in the film are indeed genuine Winchester shotguns and not a foreign copy such as the Norinco YL1887L (which wasn't released until 2002) or any of the Aldo Uberti copies (they weren't producing an 1887 shotgun at the time). The report of the shotgun is said to be two cannons firing at once.
[[Image:Win1887shotgunT2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The sawed-off Winchester 1887 with large-lever loop used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as The Terminator - 10 Gauge. Note the metal plate on the lever for better handling during flip-cocking.]]
[[Image:T2heroShotgun1.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The other sawed-off Winchester 1887 used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] in the movie. This is the one on the right in the picture below.]]
[[Image:ShotgunsT2props.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The three prop Winchester 1887 shotguns used in the film. The one on the left is the "Rosebox Shotgun", the one in the center is the rubber stunt prop, and the one to the right is the large lever loop shotgun for one-handed flip cocking - 10 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The bar owner points his Winchester 1887 shotgun at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes the shotgun from the bar owner.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator comes to save John Connor ([[Edward Furlong]]).]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator protects John from the T-1000's ([[Robert Patrick]]) bullet barrage. Note the Winchester "RA" (Repeating Arms) insignia on the receiver. You'd think a Terminator would know better than to wrap its finger around the trigger.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes down the T-1000 with seven shots from his Winchester 1887 shotgun. Note how this shell hits him right in the face. Since this film was back in the good old days when you could tell a shotgun shell by its color, these rounds are clearly slugs.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator flip cocks his Winchester 1887.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his Winchester 1887 shotgun at the T-1000 as he pursues John with a Mac truck.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his 1887 shotgun at the lock on a chain-link fence.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots out the tire of the Mac truck with his 1887 shotgun. That's quite an impressive muzzle diameter!]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his shotgun after the Mac truck blows up (which in reality wouldn't happen like that with Diesel fuel).]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots the T-1000 in the mental hospital. Note how the Stan Winston prop is already falling apart before it is shot.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator with his 1887 shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John reloads the Terminator's shotgun in the backseat of a stolen police cruiser.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John gives the Terminator back his shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots the T-1000 off the back of their car.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator points his 1887 shotgun at Enrique ([[Castulo Guerra]]).]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-17special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Director James Cameron fires the large lever 1887 shotgun.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1887-18special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"The Rifleman would be proud."]]

==Beretta 92FS==
When the T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) first enters the present, he kills an LAPD officer and takes his uniform and his standard issue [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS]]. He is seen using this gun to shoot at John Connor ([[Edward Furlong]]) before losing it in the struggle with the T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]). LAPD officers outside of the Cyberdyne building are also seen with their issued Berettas.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) checks the chamber on the officer's Beretta 92FS. When he releases the slide, the sound of a slide racking back and forth is heard.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 readies his Beretta 92FS at the sight of John.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his Beretta 92FS. [[Robert Patrick]] does an excellent job of not flinching in the film and thoroughly convinces the viewers that he is an emotionless killer and not some wimpy actor who's touching a gun for the first time.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Despite inaccurately firing about 21 shots from a 15 shot magazine, the T-1000 does an excellent reload, grabbing a fresh magazine while dropping out the empty one at the same time.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two kids in the desert fight with two toy Berettas.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers outside of Cyberdyne with their Berettas drawn.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two SWAT officers armed with Berettas try to take down the T-800.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Beretta at the Terminator. This is definitely not the stance of a well trained officer.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-9special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes footage shows [[Robert Patrick]] firing a full-auto Beretta 92FS blank gun as instructor Uzi Gal looks on.]]
[[Image:T2JDBeretta92FS-10special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|[[Robert Patrick]]fires the full-auto Beretta.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
Guards in the Cyberdyne lobby keep [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]] pistols as their sidearms.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah pulls a Beretta 92FS Inox out of the guard's holster.]]
[[Image:T2JDBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A guard draws his Beretta Inox when he finds his partner tied up in the bathroom. ETA: That's actually an old school taurus PT92 stainless.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
The T-1000 ([[Robert Patrick]]) takes a [[Browning Hi-Power|Browning Hi-Power Mklll]] off of one of the guards he kills in the mental hospital and uses it to shoot at Sarah, John, and the Terminator before discarding it when it runs dry.
[[Image:HiPowerMk3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning Hi-Power Mk III - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in the form of the guard checks the chamber on his Browning Hi-Power.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 materializes through the bars but forgets the gun is not like him, and gets stuck.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pulls the Browning Hi-Power through the bars.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHI-Power-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues the group as the T-800 fires his shotgun at him.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his Browning Hi-Power at the T-800. He fires about 23 shots from a 13 round magazine before throwing it away. Note how he is wearing a "liquid metal squib", a flower like piece of foil created by Stan Winston to open up like a gunshot wound.]]
[[Image:T2JDBrowningHi-Power-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah removes the slugs from the T-800. These look pretty authentic, they even have rifling marks on the rounds.]]

==MM1 grenade launcher==

An [[MM1 grenade launcher]] is used by one of the SWAT officers inside the Cyberdyne building to fire gas canister grenades at Sarah, John and, the T-800. It is then picked up by the T-800 after incapacitating the officer using it and then used by him to fire CS grenades around the police blockade.
[[Image:MM1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MM1 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires the MM1 launcher at Sarah, John, and the T-800.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator picks up the MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the MM1 at the SWAT officers.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|That looks like it hurts.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks out of Cyberdyne with his MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires CS canisters at the police with the MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his MM1.]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Do gas canisters usually produce such large muzzle flashes?]]
[[Image:T2JDMM1-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his MM1.]]

==Colt Commando CAR-15 Variants==
Sarah is seen using a [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|Colt Commando CAR-15]] carbine (in reality a Colt Sporter II carbine chopped down and mocked up as a Colt 629) out of the armory from the Mojave desert to attempt to assassinate Miles Dyson ([[Joe Morton]]) when she learns he started the project which lead to the machines being built. She removes the flash hider and adds a sound suppressor, along with a laser pointer and an ACOG scope. Later in the film during the scene in which Sarah, John, and the T-800 try to escape in a SWAT van as the T-1000 pursues in a police chopper, Sarah uses two CAR-15 rifles, one a mock Sporter II the other a slab-side AR-15 Sporter 1 carbine converted to look like a CAR-15 as well (like the guns in ''[[The Dogs of War]]''). The last instance a CAR-15 is used is when the Terminator takes a Mock Sporter II and climbs onto the front of the liquid nitrogen truck the T-1000 is driving and fires it through the windshield. James Cameron commented how foolish this stunt was because it was done exactly as it is seen in the film, from a moving truck with no wires attached.
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt AR-15 Sporter 1 Carbine mocked up as CAR-15 - 5.56x45mm. This model has the A1 receiver with a forward assist.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt CAR-15 Commandos are seen in the desert armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah pulls back the charging hand on a mock Colt Sporter II.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah goes out to kill Dyson.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah removes the flash hider and replaces it with a suppressor.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah chambers her CAR-15. Here the gun appears to have an SP1 lower receiver as evident by the lack of a magazine fencing.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah aims her CAR-15 at Dyson. In reality, using a laser pointer on a sniper rifle is tactically unsound.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah squeezes the trigger on her CAR-15.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|I fail to see the logic in why when she misses Dyson firing controlled semi-auto shots, she decides to go full-auto and make it even harder to shoot accurately.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah reloads her CAR-15, which now has a magazine fencing again. It appears she is reloading with an empty magazine.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her CAR-15 at Dyson. It appears Uzi Gal didn't teach Linda Hamilton to fire in short, controlled bursts. Instead, she empties the magazine in one pull of the trigger.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads up two CAR-15s while in the back of the SWAT van.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires a slab-side Sporter I carbine with an SP1 lower receiver at the T-1000. Note lack of magazine fencing.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her slab-side CAR-15, eyes closed.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah then switches to a Sporter II when her slab-side runs out.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Strangely, the gun switches back to a slab-side when Sarah gets wounded.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 takes a Sporter II off the dash board to shoot the T-1000 with.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This scene shows quite a dangerous stunt as stuntman Peter Kent climbs off one truck to another, no strings attached as the trucks are speeding down the road.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtCommando-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Sporter II at the T-1000 through the windshield.]]

==Detonics Custom 1911==

Sarah Connor ([[Linda Hamilton]]) retrieves a [[M1911#Detonics ServiceMaster|Detonics 1911]] custom gun from the armory in the Mohave desert and takes it with her on her mission to kill Miles Dyson ([[Joe Morton]]). Sarah manages to wound him with the gun before she realizes what she is doing and stops. The gun was custom built for the movie by Detonics off of their ServiceMaster model and features their signature forward mounted rear sight and a long slide. She later uses it to keep a SWAT team at bay during a shootout at the Cyberdyne building.
[[Image:Detonicsservicemaster.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Detonics ServiceMaster .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her Custom Detonics 1911 at the Dyson family. She shows us an excellent high grip here.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Note forward mounted rear sight.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her Detonics 1911 at Dyson.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dyson stares down the barrel of Sarah's 1911.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah squeezes the trigger on her Detonics 1911.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah disarms the lobby guard at Cyberdyne with her 1911 in hand.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes cover as the Terminator blows open a door.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes cover from the SWAT team as they fire on her.]]
[[Image:T2JDDetonicsServicemaster-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her 1911 into the air to keep the SWAT team down. If you listen closely, you can see that the last round she fires doesn't make a sound.]]

==Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid==
When the Terminator ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) first arrives in the present, he enters a biker bar and asks The Cigar Smoking Biker ([[Robert Winley]]) to give him his clothes, his boots, and his motorcycle. After a fight breaks out, the Terminator throws the biker on a stove's hot burners and burns him badly. He then tries to draw his custom [[M1911A1#Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid|Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 Hybrid ]] pistol built with a Colt Series 70 slide, a Detonics frame, an ambidextrous safety, with Pachmyr grips, and chambered in 9mm (because .45s don't cycle well as blanks) but is unable to chamber it an has the gun taken from him. Later when John and the T-800 break Sarah out of the mental hospital, she takes the M1911A1 and fires it at the T-1000 and keeps it as her sidearm until she retrieves her custom Detonics 1911. During the shootout at Cyberdyne, the T-800 uses the M1911A1 to wound all of the SWAT officers in the lobby before the gun goes empty and he tosses it away. Even though he is never seen picking it back up, he somehow has it tucked in his pants and ready to shoot the T-1000, frozen in liquid nitrogen, at the end of the film.

[[Image:T2M1911detonicsprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Colt/Detonics M1911A1 Series 70 hybrid pistol used in the film - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Coltserie709mm.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Scan from the DVD extras showing the custom built Series 70 Colt/Detonics M1911A1 that was used in the film.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Biker tries to chamber his Colt/Detonics M1911A1, but his hands are too burnt to do it. A smart man keeps his 1911 "Condition One", chambered, hammer cocked, with the safety on.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator pulls the slide back on the "Coltonics" M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator releases the slide.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Despite chambering the gun earlier, the Terminator still has to chamber the M1911A1 when he tries to kill Jock #2 ([[Gerard G. Williams]]) before John intervenes.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When John tells the Terminator to put the gun down, he takes it literally and puts it on the ground.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes the M1911A1 and fires it at the T-1000 on the roof of the elevator. During this scene, Linda Hamilton didn't put her earplugs in properly and suffered permanent hearing damage. This is no suprise since shooting a gun in an elevator leaves no place for the sound to dissipate except right into the shooter's ears.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah orders an officer to get out of his cruiser. Note how the safety is on yet seconds later she fires a shot into his windshield.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah awaits a fresh magazine from John.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah fires her M1911A1 at the T-1000 as he pursues their car.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah keeps the M1911A1 tucked in her pants. Unlike the biker, she ''is'' smart enough to keep the gun "Condition One".]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah points her M1911A1 at Enrique.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator points the M1911A1 at the Cyberdyne lobby guard.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator wounds the SWAT officers in the lobby with the M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|He then tosses the empty gun to the ground. Keep in mind, NO ONE PICKS IT BACK UP. How does he still have it in the steel mill then? Continuity error.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby."]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires his M1911A1 into the T-1000, shattering him into pieces after he is frozen in liquid nitrogen.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his M1911A1 and his M79 grenade launcher.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator searches for the T-1000.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-19special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Uzi Gal teaches Linda Hamilton how to fire an M1911A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-20special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda fires the M1911A1.]]

==M1911A1==
The gate guard at the mental hospital tries to draw an [[M1911A1]] with a nickel finish and pearl grips before he is shot in both kneecaps by the T-800. He then takes three magazines off of him, which are clearly loaded with .45 ACP rounds. This would make them useless in his 9mm M1911A1 but the viewer isn't supposed to know his gun is a 9mm.
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:T2JDM1911A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The guard drops his M1911A1 when he is shot by the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDM1911A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator takes three mags off the guard, which are loaded with .45 ACP hollow points. In reality, his 9mm gun would not accept these. Also note how only four rounds are loaded in each mag to conserve dummy rounds (you can only see brass in two of the five holes, meaning there is only four rounds in each).]]

==M79 grenade launcher==
The T-800 ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) takes an [[M79 grenade launcher]] from Sarah's arsenal in the Mojave desert. During the assault on the Cyberdyne building, the T-800 uses the M79 grenade launcher, first to blast open a locked door, then to destroy several of the police cars assembled outside, then during the ensuing car chase when the T-1000 persues the protagonists in a comandeered tanker truck, the Terminator scoring a direct hit on the engine with the M79, though the truck miraculously continues running. He also tries to use it on the T-1000 during the fight in the steel mill, eventually using it to knock the T-1000 into the pit of molten steel. By this point, part of the launcher's stock has been shattered during the fight, but enough remains for the weapon to be usable. In reality, 40mm HE rounds have a safety mechanism in which they will not detonate until they have flown a certain distance. The more modern types arm after at least 14m. These grenades may represent earlier types such as the M381 with a 2-3m arming range. In the film, rounds detonate as little as 30 feet from the user.
[[Image:M79-Grenade-Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M79 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator inspects the bore on an M79 grenade launcher in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Here, let me try mine."]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator shoots a locked door with the M79 grenade launcher from a ridiculously close distance.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the M79 at the police cruisers outside Cyberdyne.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator reloads his M79.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Termintator fires the M79 at the liquid nitrogen truck the T-1000 is driving. If a .44 Magnum can wreck a truck engine like this, a 40mm grenade would certainly stop it from running.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tires to reload the M79 but drops the 40mm round when the T-1000 rams their pickup truck.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator readies his M79 as he searches for the T-1000 in the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up on the M79 seconds before the T-1000 knocks it out of his hands and shatters the stock. Note how this is rubber prop since the gun is about to be thrown across the room.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to reach for the damaged M79 before the T-1000 spears him with a metal rod, damaging his main power source.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator rides a cog until he has a clear shot at the T-1000. When the 40mm round hits him, its detonation is delayed for some reason. When the round goes off, he is blown up and falls into the molten steel behind him.]]
[[Image:T2JDM79GL-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator with the M79.]]

==Handheld GE M134 Minigun==
In one of the more notable scenes of the film, the T-800 engages the police assembled outside the Cyberdyne building with a handheld [[GE M134 Minigun]] destroying the police cars while leaving the police themselves unharmed. Originally the Terminator was going to use a [[MAC-10]] to shoot at the police but James Cameron decided to revisit the gun used in ''[[Predator]]'', and the minigun was given a chainsaw grip insted of the M-60 grip used in the previous film appearance.

[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Handheld M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip' to handle the recoil force - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:Minigunbloomautomatic.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The actual GE Minigun used in T2 and Predator. Signed "Harry Lu T-2 1990" on the front grip, since Harry Lu was the Weapons Master for the film.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator unveils the handheld Minigun in the desert armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Unlike the M60 foregrip on the Minigun in Predator, a chainsaw grip is used on this model.The small T-grip is not a pull starter like some mistakenly belive but a bolt handle holding the gun to the handgrip frame.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator grins as he picks up the Minigun. If only he had this attitude now as the Governator of Cali-forn-eya.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun at the police cruisers.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This Minigun has a relatively slow rate of fire (you can see the barrels rotate).According to the ad when it was sold when Stembridge went under the rate of fire was geared at 1,250 rounds per minute.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Few handheld weapons can chop a car roof clean off!]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator fires the Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Minigun runs dry.]]
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator drops the Minigun. The guys at General Electrics begged James Cameron for him to not drop the gun but Jim said the Terminator wouldn't care how priceless the gun was. They asked if they could at least put a pad under it. He told them it would be noticeable. Poor guys.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDHandheldMinigun-12special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Director James Cameron fires the Handheld Minigun.]]

==GE M134 Minigun==

A [[GE M134 Minigun]] is mounted on the back of a truck in the future battle scene. A soldier next to the future John Connor ([[Michael Edwards]]) is also seen manning a Minigun. This is not the same Minigun as the handheld one, as some believe.
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|GE M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier fires a GE M134 Minigun at a Hunter-Killer.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The resistance soldier fires a Minigun.]]
[[Image:T2JDM134Minigun-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier next to John Connor mans a Minigun.]]

==Franchi SPAS 15==
A future resistance soldier is seen firing a [[Franchi SPAS-15]] during the future battle scene.
[[Image:Franchi spas15.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Franchi SPAS-15 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-15-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier readies his Franchi SPAS-15.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-15-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier fires his Franchi SPAS-15.]]

==FIM-92A Stinger==
A future resistance fighter on the back of a truck takes out a Hunter-Killer with an [[FIM-92A Stinger]] missile launcher.
[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger - guided missile.]]
[[Image:T2JDFIM-92Stinger-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires an FIM-92A Stinger at an H-K.]]
[[Image:T2JDFIM-92Stinger-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires an FIM-92A Stinger at an H-K.]]

==General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma Gun==
The heavy future [[General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma Gun]] from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] film returns very briefly and is seen used to blow up a machine. It looks like it is built from a British Vickers gun (As a toggle lock is seen at one point in T1) or the Colt variant of the Browning M1917 machine gun hence the spade grips.
[[Image:T2JDGDRSB-80-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires as General Dynamics RSB-80 Plasma gun.]]

==Ithaca 37==
[[Ithaca 37]] shotguns can be seen used by some of the police officers outside the Cyberdyne building.
[[Image:IthacaModel37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer readies his Ithaca 37.]]

==Remington 870==
Police outside the Cyberdyne building are seen with a couple of [[Remington 870]] shotguns.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An LAPD officer aims his Remington 870.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer aims his Remington 870.]]

==Remington 870 Police Combat with Folding Stock==
Near the end of the film, Sarah Connor engages the T-1000 using a [[Remington 870#Remington 870 Folding Stock|Remington 870 Police Combat with Folding Stock]] she took from a SWAT van, outfitted with a high-capacity magazine tube and spare shotshell holders, each shot knocking her opponent progressively closer to the pit of molten steel in the mill, until running out of ammo, frustratingly close to knocking the T-1000 into the pit. One of the police officers outside Cyberdyne is also seen using one.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Folding Stock with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A police officer takes cover from the Minigun barrage with a Remington 870 Police Combat folder in hand.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah takes one of the two Remington 870 folders out of the SWAT van.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads a slug into her Remington 870 folder as the T-1000 approaches.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 with the 870 folder. This is kind of an awkward way to hold it.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah tries to load another round into her 870 but the T-1000 stops her.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks up the 870 after the T-1000 starts to fight with the T-800 instead.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah loads some slugs into her 870.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 when he tries to imitate her to lure John to him. Linda Hamilton's twin sister Leslie Hamilton Gearren played this role.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her 870. This is blank flame.]]
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The gun clicks empty with the T-1000 just feet from the ledge.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-12special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton fires a Remington 870 folder.]]

==Heckler & Koch SP89 (mocked up as MP5K)==

While fleeing from the Cyberdyne building, the Connors and the T-800 find themselves being pursued by the T-1000 piloting a stolen police helicopter and brandishing an [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch SP89|Heckler & Koch SP89]], mocked up as an MP5K by adding an MP5K foregrip and converting it to full auto. A SWAT officer can also be seen using one. They are recognized as SP89s by their lack of a paddle magazine release behind the magazine and the lack of a push pin lower receiver.
[[Image:H&K-MP5KEarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch SP89 - 9mm. Note the lack of a paddle magazine release and a push pin lower reciever.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Heckler & Koch SP89 mocked up as an MP5K at Sarah Connor.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 with an SP89.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89 through the hole in the helicopter windshield. A pilot needs to use both hands to fly a helicopter but this isn't a problem for the T-1000, since he just grows two more arms to drive with.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 reloads his SP89 as his spare arms drive.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89 at the SWAT van the Connors and the T-800 are escaping in.]]
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 fires his SP89.]]
===Special===
[[Image:T2JDSP89mock-8special.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick tries out a real MP5K. The video is too low quality but this too appears to be an SP89, although it is a live fire version, not a blank gun.]]

==Heckler & Koch HK94A2/A3 (chopped and converted)==
The SWAT teams that assaults Cyberdyne are mainly armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch HK94|Heckler & Koch HK94]]s with the 16" barrels chopped down and converted to full auto to resemble MP5A3s. The most notable ways to tell are the lack of the 3 barrel lugs, the lack of a paddle magazine release, and the lack of a push pin lower reciever. Some of these guns are the collapsing stock HK94A3s while others are the full stock HK92A2s.
[[Image:H&K94Conversion.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK94A3 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:HK_94A2chopped.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK94A2 chopped and converted to resemble an MP5A2 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his chopped and converted HK94A3 at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their chopped and converted HK94A3s.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT team breaches the Cyberdyne building armed with HK94s (the leader has a full stock model HK94A2). James Cameron said in the commentary that of the SWAT officers, all but one were real SWAT guys. It can be assumed that it is the guy with his gun pointed at the leader.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at Sarah Connor, without even ordering her to drop her weapons,which doesnt seem like something a SWAT team would do.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SWAT leader with his HK94A2.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his HK94A3 at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SWAT officers fire their HK94A3s at the Terminator.]]
[[Image:T2JDHK94c&c-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Three HK94A2s are seen in the SWAT van.]]

==Browning M2HB==

Among the weapons seen in the hidden weapons cache in the Mojave Desert is a [[Browning M2|Browning M2HB]] heavy machine gun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:T2JDM2HB-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator unveils a Browning M2HB in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM2HB-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M2HB in the armory.]]

==Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle==
The fictional [[Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle]] is seen being used by the endoskeleton Terminators in the future scenes of the film. This weapon was built on the [[Calico Series of Rifles and Pistols|Calico M960]] 9mm submachine gun. These walking endoskeletons are among the most famous of Stan Winston's animatronics, right up there with the T-rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]'' and the Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.
[[Image:M95A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M95A1 Phased Plasma Rifle]]
[[Image:Calico960a.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Calico M960 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator armed with a Westinghouse M95A1 Phased Plasma rifle.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A human resistance soldier fires a captured Westinghouse M95A1 in the background.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator fires a Westinghouse M95A1.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Terminator fires a pair of Westinghouse M95A1s.]]
[[Image:T2JDWestinghouse-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator wields two Westinghouses akimbo style.]]

==Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup==
Human Resistance fighters during the Future War scenes are armed with [[Ruger Mini-14]] rifles fitted into Muzzelite bullpup stocks.
[[Image:RugerMuzzelite.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance squad leader is seen holding a Muzzelite MZ14 Bullpup.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance fighter fires a Muzzelite MZ14.]]
[[Image:T2JDMuzzleliteMZ14-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A resistance soldier salutes the future John Connor with a Muzzelite MZ14 in hand.]]

==Mossberg 590==
Enrique ([[Castulo Guerra]]) is seen using a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 590]] shotgun when Sarah, John, and the Terminator arrive at his home in the Mojave desert. Later on, a SWAT officer is seen firing a 590 at the SWAT van Sarah, John, and The Terminator use to escape from Cyberdyne in.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique jumps out with his Mossberg 590 at the ready.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique with his Mossberg 590.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Enrique with his Mossberg 590.]]
[[Image:T2JDMossberg590-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A SWAT officer fires his Mossberg 590 at the SWAT van.]]

==AKM==
When going through the armory in the desert, John checks the chambers on several [[AK-47|AKM]] rifles (extended edition only). Sarah can also be seen carrying one briefly.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKK - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AKM rifles are seen on the armory wall.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John checks the chamber on an AKM rifle in the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah places an AKM on the table.]]
[[Image:T2JDAKM-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John passes the Terminator an AKM as they load their car up with weaponry.]]

==M16A1==
A number of [[M16 rifle series|M16A1]] rifles can be seen on the armory wall
[[Image:M16A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A1 with 20 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1s are seen in the armory furthest on the rack.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M16A1s are seen on the armory wall.]]

==MAC-10==
John picks a [[MAC-10]] submachine gun while the Terminator examines the M79.

''Trivia: In the screenplay, the MAC-10 was supposed to be the weapon that the Terminator used during the shootout at the Cyberdyne Building, before James Cameron decided that the Terminator should use the handheld Minigun instead.''

[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:T2JDMAC-10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John picks up a MAC-10 while the Terminator examines the M79.]]

==M60 machine gun==
Three [[M60 machine gun]]s can be seen inside the Mojave desert armory.
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60 - 7.62x51mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM60E1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John pulls the cover off the wall to reveal M60 machine guns.]]

==M72 LAW==
A group of [[M72 LAW]] launchers can be seen when John and the Terminator first enter the armory.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72 LAW - 66mm.]]
[[Image:T2JDM72LAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A cluster of M72 LAWs seen right when they first enter the armory.]]
[[Image:T2JDM72LAW-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the M72 LAWs.]]

==Winchester 1300==
[[Winchester Model 1300|Winchester 1300]] shotguns with extended magazine tubes are seen in the Mojave Desert armory. The Terminator is seen carrying a few out.
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Defender.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester 1300 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDM16A1-AKM-Win1300.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Winchester 1300 shotguns are seen on the armory wall.]]
[[Image:T2JDWin1300-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator picks up a Winchester 1300.]]

==Armalite AR-18==
When the doctors at the mental hospital show Sarah pictures of the Terminator from surveilance cameras in the police station during 1984 (keep in mind that security cameras weren't installed in police stations at this time), the Terminator is seen wielding the two guns we saw him use in the first film. In his right hand, he is holding an [[Armalite AR-18]].
[[Image:Terminator-AR18.png|thumb|none|400px|The Armalite AR-18 used in the first film.]]
[[Image:T2JDAR-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator from the first film wields what is assumed to be an AR-18 in his right hand (to stay accurate to the first film).]]

==Franchi SPAS-12==
Also seen used by the Terminator from the first film in the surveillance footage is a [[Franchi SPAS-12]] shotgun in his left hand.
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Franchi SPAS-12 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:T2JDSPAS-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator from the first film wields a Franchi SPAS-12.]]

=Fun Facts=
Some bits of irrelavent trivia and goofs.

==Obvious Stunt Doubles==
Several times in the film, stunt doubles are seen used during some of the more extreme scenes. This was back before editors could digitally modify the stunt double's face to look like the actual actors. By converting the film to 1080p Digital DVD, these doubles become quite noticable.
[[Image:T2JDTwoStuntDoublesInOneShot!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During this scene, both Arnold Schwarzenegger's driving stunt double, Norman Howell, and Edward Furlong's driving double are seen in the same shot! Also note how the dirtbike Furlong's double is driving is almost as big as the Harley. Since Furlong's stunt double is bigger than him, the Yamaha dirtbike was sized up to a bigger model so the double would look smaller.]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda Hamilton's stunt double, Debbie Evans, is seen firing a CAR-15 at the T-1000 during this scene, since this shot had the vehicle really driving down the road (the close up shots with Linda Hamilton were in an immoble vehicle).]]
[[Image:T2SarahStuntDouble-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Debbie Evans is used instead of Linda when the vehicle is suddenly halted and she is slid across the back.]]
[[Image:T2RobStuntDouble-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-800 fights the T-1000 in the mill, a stunt double is used for Robert Patrick when he is slammed into the walls.]]

==Goofs==
Some of the notable goofs in the film.
[[Image:T2KnifeBendGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When this biker stabs the Terminator with his knife, it is clearly a rubber prop. Note how it bends.]]
[[Image:T2SteamJetsGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the cigar smoking biker is thrown by the Terminator onto the kitchen burners, the steam jets are visible.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the Terminator prepares to jump his Harley Fatboy off the ledge, note how it is pointed.]]
[[Image:T2BikeJumpGoof-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As he jumps off, the ledge changes to a squared type. Many people claim you can see the wires guiding the bike down but all you can see is the slightly visible edit over the cables, so transparent lines are visible as the bike falls.]]
[[Image:T2cardummygoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As The Terminator and the Connors pull out of the Mental Hospital, the T-1000 grabs onto their car. Here a dummy is used in place of a stunt man as they drive through the gate. James Cameron says he wished he had the CGI capabilities back then so he could make the T-1000 climb up the car as they drive.]]
[[Image:T2poleGoof.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the Terminator is impaled by the steel rod, he is clearly laying to the side to avoid the pole.]]

==Payback==
In the extended cut, Douglas ([[Ken Gibbel]]) hits Sarah in the stomach with his billy club so he can force feed her her medication. Gibbel didn't want to hurt Linda so he kept pulling the swing, but she had to fall to the ground on her knees the same every time. He did this so much, her knees got bruised up quite badly. If you watch the scene, it is clearly sped up for this exact reason. When Sarah escapes her cell, she breaks off a broom handle and uses it to hit Douglas repeatedly until he is unconcious. As payback for her bruised knees, every blow Linda inflicts on Gibbel is real and not pulled.
[[Image:T2Payback-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Douglas slugs Sarah with his billy club.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah falls to her knees quite painfully. Doing this multiple times really bruised up Linda's knees.]]
[[Image:T2Payback-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah beats Douglas with a broom handle. Linda teaches Gibbel that chivalry isn't always a good thing as she really kicks his ass.]]

==How It's Done==
A few of the impressive special effects were achieved in unique ways shown here.
[[Image:T2CigarGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When the biker puts his cigar out on the Terminator's chest, the only thing protecting Arnold from being burned was a block and prosthetic skin the size of a dime. If this guy was off even a little bit, he would have been burned pretty bad.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To give the effect that the Terminator's time portal burned a chunk out of a truck, scotch light is painted onto the rim and has light concentrated on it to give it a heated glow.]]
[[Image:T2ScotchlightGag-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The same method is used for the introduction of the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2RobFire.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To accomplish the scene in which the T-1000 slowly emerges from the fire, Robert Patrick had to stand in the center of the flames and walk out. After the scene, his clothes were singed.]]
[[Image:T2HelicopterCrane.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the chase scene, the police helicopter used by the T-1000 is hung by a moving crane to give it the look like it is flying. This allowed the actor to fire and reload his gun with two hands while the two spare hands could convince the audience the helicopter is being flown.]]
[[Image:T2AmputeeDouble.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An amputee double was used during the scene when the T-1000 emerges from the truck, continually being drenched in liquid nitrogen as his limbs fall of and he finally freezes solid.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|For the scene in which the shattered T-1000 melts and reforms, frozen Mercury was melted on a hotplate until it melted and joined together.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A piece of the frozen mercury melting.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The melted mercury begins to liquify.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The hotplate is pretty seemlessly added to look like the floor of the steel mill.]]
[[Image:T2Mercury-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Mercury eventually turns into one big pool.]]
[[Image:T2RubberWalls.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the fight between the T-800 and the T-1000, the steel mill walls were padded with rubber so the actors could slam each other into objects without injuring each other.]]

==Familiar Scenery==
The place under the bridge that the T-1000 arrives in the present from was later reused in another James Cameron film, ''[[True Lies]]'', although they aren't the exact same spots. Strangley enough, the bridge is really in Washington D.C., which is accurately portrayed in True Lies. In T2 on the other hand, it takes place in Los Angeles.
[[Image:T2JD-TrueLiesScenery.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comparison of the same location in the two films.]]

==Locked Up==
Linda Hamilton was trained how to pick locks for the film and Linda refused to fake any of the lock picking when she escapes her cell. She actually picks the locks on her harness and the lock on the door.
[[Image:T2lockpick-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sarah picks the locks on her bed harness. Linda really picked this lock.]]
[[Image:T2lockpick-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After escaping her bed, Sarah picks the lock on the door. Linda really picked this lock too.]]

==Attack of the Tin Foil Man!==
In some scenes, CGI was avoided to reduce strain on ILM's schedule and the actor wore a special "Tin Foil" suit so he would look like the liquid metal T-1000.
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the background, the "Tin Foil" man is seen forming from the puddle of liquid metal.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2AttackOfTheTinMan-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 fights with the "Tin Foil" T-1000.]]

==Not Really Nude==
During the scene in which the Terminator enters the biker bar, completely naked from time travel, Arnold was obviously not going to go nude in this scene and instead wore some colorful shorts. How the extras could stifle their laughter is unknown.
[[Image:T2NotNude-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator walks into the bar in the nude.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The people in the bar look in complete shock at this giant nude man.]]
[[Image:T2NotNude-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Here you can see the shorts Arnold was wearing in the scene. This is the governor of California shaking his ass for the camera. Feel free to laugh.]]

==Good Old Arnold==
Some memorable moments from the Govenator.
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Terminator tries to mimic a smile. Arnold commented how he smiles like a horse. Agreed.]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trust Me."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Stay here. I'll be back."]]
[[Image:T2JDColtonics-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Hasta la vista, baby."]]
[[Image:T2GoodOlArney-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I need a vacation." Not a very Terminator-like thing to say.]]

==The Convenience of Twins==
Two sets of identical twins were used in the film to make certain scenes more convenient to shoot. The first twins were used in the mental hospital, the first playing Lewis the guard ([[Don Stanton]]) and his brother ([[Dan Stanton]]) playing the T-1000 clone. The second pair of twins were [[Linda Hamilton]] and her sister [[Leslie Hamilton Gearren]], who worked together in several scenes, both playing Sarah Conner.
[[Image:T2guardtwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Don playing Lewis the guard and his brother Dan playing the T-1000 copy.]]
[[Image:T2TwinsMirrorGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the extended cut, the T-800 tells the Connors how to modify his CPU so he can progressively learn. They open up his head to remove the CPU. During this scene, Linda is seen in the foreground working on a Stan Winston prop and in the "mirror" is Leslie imitating her movements so Arnold's face can be seen in the mirror as he talks.]]
[[Image:T2SarahTwins.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this scene Leslie (in the foreground) plays the T-1000 disguised as Sarah while Linda plays the real Sarah (in the background).]]

==Speedy Robert==
For any scene in which [[Edward Furlong]] had to ride his Yamaha DT50 dirtbike, a tow dragged him along to give the illusion he is driving. The guy driving the tow said he would be pulled out fast enough that [[Robert Patrick]] would not be able to catch him while running full speed. The driver underestimated him because when Robert started chasing him, he not only caught up with Eddie, he tapped him on the shoulder. Robert is an insanely fast runner.
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 pursues John on his Yamaha dirtbike. In this take, the tow was sped up so Robert ''couldn't'' catch him.]]
[[Image:T2SpeedyRob-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 in hot pursuit.]]

==Polydichloric Euthynol==
The name of the explosives used by the group to blow up Cyberdyne is a play on the hallucinogenic drug used in the [[Sean Connery]] film ''[[Outland]]''.
[[Image:T2PolydichloricEuthynol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The explosive barrels marked "Polydichloric Euthynol".]]

=="The Four Horsemen"==
This is just a cool shot. The four horsemen of the apocalypse are portrayed as four pieces of playground equipment.
[[Image:T2FourHorsemen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"The Four Horsemen", playground equipment set aflame by the nuclear bombs.]]

==The Deleted T-1000 Glitches==
For some unknown reason, the original cut edited out all of the scenes in which the T-1000 shows signs of glitching after being frozen and shattered. These include:
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As the T-1000 passes a pole and his hand gets stuck. Unable to control its functions properly, it morphs somewhat to whatever metal it touches.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 peels his hand off the pole.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 has a blip glitch. This glitch is also in the theatrical cut shown just after the Terminator gets stuck in the giant cog.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000's feet stick to the metal floor.]]
[[Image:T2T-1000glitch-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes which Sarah is the T-1000 when he sees his feet are fused to the floor.]]

==The Spoof Pit==
The "Molten" Steel pit in the steel mill, called "The Spoof Pit" by the crew, was composed of an unknown liquid illuminated by orange fluorescent lights with pieces of plastic floating in it to resemble authentic molten steel. It is used to destroy the T-1000 when he is knocked into the pit and the T-800 uses it to destroy himself with the help of Sarah. With the lights heating the liquid, it was actually pretty hot in the pit. Isn't it interesting how when the T-1000 falls into the pit, he is in extreme pain, yet when the T-800 is lowered in, he seems to feel perfectly content? A matter of perspective I guess.
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 falls into the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Above view of the spoof pit.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 is lowered into the pit by Sarah.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A fake fire effect is used to make the liquid appear molten. Arnold does a good job of keeping his eyes open as he submerges.]]
[[Image:T2SpoofPit-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 gives John a thumbs up before melting completely. John teaches the T-800 the thumbs up just before Sarah dreams of herself and John in the nuclear explosion.]]

=Dedicated To Stan Winston=
Stan Winston was one of the greatest special effects and animatronics designers in film history. He brought fictional creatures to life and made the impossible seem real, for which he has won four separate oscars. His animatronics and costumes are some of the most famous in film history and include:
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 endoskeletons in ''[[T2|T2: Judgement Day]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-Rex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The life size Tyrannosaurus Rex from ''[[Jurassic Park]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonFacehugger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Facehuggers from ''[[Aliens]]'', which actually ran on their own.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPowerLoader.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Power Loader from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen.jpg|thumb|none|600px|And of course the ever famous Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonAlienQueen-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Alien Queen from ''[[Aliens]]''.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonPredator.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thanks to Stan Winston, The Predator from ''[[Predator]]'' also became as famous and was saved from being a very poorly designed creature.]]
Sadly, Stan Winston passed away on June 15th, 2008. He may be gone but his creations will forever live on in film history as some of the most life-like and creative designs ever. Rest in peace Stan.

'''The following Stan Winston props are seen in T2:'''
==Liquid Metal Squibs==
Stan Winston invented special foil squibs meant to fold out like a flower to imitate a gunshot wound inflicted to the T-1000.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears these squibs through out the film.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Robert Patrick wears seven of these squibs. Note how this guy is a stunt double.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 riddled with liquid metal squibs.]]
[[Image:T2StanWInstonLiquidSquib-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stan even built smaller versions for when the T-1000 is shots with the Coltonics pistol.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonLiquidSquib-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Linda's sister Leslie also wears one of these squibs when she is playing the T-1000.]]

==Blown Apart T-1000 head==
Even animatronics with the smallest roles are heavily contributed to by Stan. This prop was built to show the T-1000 after his head is blown apart by a 10 Gauge slug. The head flaps even move around by control.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shotgunhead.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The animatronic T-1000's head built to show the T-1000 after being shot in the head with a shotgun.]]

==The T-800 Arm==
The Terminator proves to Miles Dyson he is a machine by cutting off his living tissue and revealing his robotic arm inside. Stan Winston designed this arm and made it as controllable as a real hand.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800arm.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Stan Winston designed controllable T-800 arm.]]

==Lewis the Guard's Robotic Head==
When the T-1000 copies Lewis the Guard and kills him by stabbing him through the eye, a robotic copy of his head was built to shake and allow the point to stab in and out.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lewis the Guard's robotic prop head being stabbed by the T-1000.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonStabbedHead-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of the same robotic head.]]

==T-800 Animatronic Dummy==
Stan Winston built a copy of Arnold Schwarzenegger's head to torso so squibs could be used on the head region and people would see the Terminator shot in the head. It was also used so the T-1000 could smash his head without killing or injuring Arnold. Because the dummy walked awkwardly, Arnold matched its walk so it would look less suspicious in the film.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy in the Cyberdyne lobby.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-800 dummy's awkward walk is evident in this scene.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-800dummy-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 smashes the dummy's head.]]
The dummy greatly resembles the one used in the scene from the first [[The Terminator|Terminator]] where he removes the damaged eye tissue and starts wearing sunglasses.

==T-1000 Blade Arm fold-out==
The T-1000 kills the liquid nitrogen truck driver by stabbing him with his sharp arm. Stan Winston designed a blade to pop out of the clothes to achieve the look of his being impaled.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonKnifeGag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 stabs the truck driver. Note the slit in the shirt where the blade folds out.]]

==T-1000 Shotgun Head==
When Sarah shoots the T-1000 with her Remington 870 folder, it leaves a large hole in his head, which is a prop by Stan Winston.
[[Image:T2JDRem870folder-5.jpg|thumb|none|800px|T-1000's head with the large slug hole in it. To the right is Robert Patrick getting to know his robotic double.]]

==Frozen T-1000==
Stan Winston designed a replica of the T-1000 frozen in liquid nitrogen that was built with a fiber glass shell with fragements inside. When "shot", primacord is used to shatter the shell and release the fragments. Since fiber glass is not as heavy as ice, a fan blew the fragments to the ground to give the prop a shattering effect.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The T-1000 frozen prop.]]
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000shattered-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The prop shatters.]]

==Blown Up T-1000==
When the T-1000 is blown up by a 40mm round, his exploded figure is a Stan Winston animatronic.
[[Image:T2StanWinstonT-1000blownup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blown up T-1000 animatronic.]]

=See Also=

'''Terminator Series'''

* ''[[Terminator, The]]''
* ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]''
* ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''
* ''[[Terminator Salvation]]''

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Deathbunny: /* Military Service */

== '''Introduction''' ==

Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human behavior and extrapolate future trends from the perspectives of Evolutionary Psychology and Physical Anthropology. (Or become a novelist who writes scientific articles on the side.)

In his daily life he is a simple, somewhat lazy ("efficient") college student who is perpetually in search of a better part-time job until such time he moves into a career.

DB's other interests include the design of and use of small arms, science fiction, writing science fiction, and adding to his extensive collection of semi-obscure books, magazines, and pamphlets for later use "in his writing." He also cogitates much and often on one or more of his pet theories and potential plot lines for fiction.

His one (current) claim to online immortality is being quoted by Salon.com in an article on Danial Jackson of Stargate fame as saying "You miss his appeal. From listening to the female-types around here, he has one of the most appealing of attributes in a non-significant-other person: A cute guy that needs mothering. Because of it, he's a babe-magnet and therefore it's taboo to rag on him." * [http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html?pn=2].

== '''Family History''' ==

Deathbunny is a bastard from a long line of bastardry whose recent antecedents have dodged the genetic bullets of Marfan's syndrome, insanity, respiratory problems, and flat feet to grant DB and his children with Scottish surnames and no major health issues except a tendency to be heavy and a bit nearsighted. Considering the heritability of sociosexuality, it's probably no wonder he's got multiple children.

== '''Youth''' ==

Deathbunny was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona and was a lackluster student as a child and teen being bored easily and graduating high school after 5 years with a 1.97 GPA after averaging in "honor points" for advanced courses such as AP Calculus, AP Physics, and computer programming. Somehow he managed to fail almost every elective attempted and the first two years of high school English except Junior ROTC and a single semester Psychology elective. Notable failures included drafting, beginning art, electronics, typing/keyboarding, and an elective entitiled "Outdoor Adventure".

Two key factors to this apparent sign of stupidity was a mother who liked to compare her childrens' progress out loud as a means of "motivation" and an inability to be enthused by anything other than challenging or intersting material. When taken with DB's philosophy of fighting only winning battles when possible, DB's total lack of competitiveness in the high school academic field is quite understandable.

== '''Military Service''' ==

Deathbunny served both in the Arizona Army National Guard--enlisting at age 17 and attending US Army Basic Combat Training while in high school--and the US Army with a total length of service of 7 years and 8 months. Promoted exactly once, from Private First Class to Specialist, his service was characterized by an excellence in his mission performance and a lack of effort in uniform wear and appearance that, nonetheless, resulted in his attendance of the US Army Primary Leadership Development Course and several awards including 3 Letters of Achievement from LTC's and above, two Army Achievement Medals, A Good Conduct Medal, and the prestigious Expert Field Medical Badge along with the noteriety of being the only line medic in his unit(s) to qualify with the [[Beretta_92_pistol_series#Beretta_92F.2FFS|M9 Pistol]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A1_Rifle|M16A1]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A2_Rifle|M16A2]], [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249 SAW]], [[M60 machine gun|M60 GPMG]], [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]], Hand Grenades, and fire (in training) the 155mm Howitzer, [[M2 Browning machine gun|M2HB HMG]], [[Mk 19 grenade launcher|MK19 Mod 3]] GMG, M220-series TOW missile, [[AT4|M136 AT4 MAW]], and the [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]. (Almost all while pulling range coverage.)

Despite being assigned to the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) while it was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps for a number of years, the only foriegn country Deathbunny has thus far been to has been flying over a corner of Canada to get to Alaska.

Alerted many times and never deployed, Deathbunny's combat experience is nil beyond training and reading a good book. Instead, he is very attentive to combat vets for their opinions on such subjects and does not try to portray himself as an expert on such things.

Occasionally, he continues to flirt with the idea of reenlisting for a few years for the nebulous purpose of "paying student loans" and "finishing something he wasn't done with yet."

== '''College''' ==

Deathbunny started college twice.

First, immediately after graduating high school, he attended a trade school to learn PC repair. Dropping out because his girlfriend at the time was putting out a lot and realizing that, despite being interested in computer programming and system architecture, he wasn't interested in being a test-discard-replace jockey for life, DB ceased attending school to go into the Army.

Since then, the trade school went under, disappeared, and--beyond $2000 in student loans--allows DB to deny any knowledge of said excursion into collegiate education.

Deathbunny earned an Associate in Science degree with distinction from a local community college and is currently a student at Arizona State University West Campus pursuing a Bachelor's of Science in Psychology and Arizona State University Main Campus pursuing a minors in Biological Sciences and Anthropology because he sucks at foreign languages.

After completing his undergraduate education he intends on applying for graduate school either in the field of Evolutionary psychology, Behavioral ecology, or Physical anthropology.

== '''Career''' ==

Beyond the military, Deathbunny's primary work has been in the field of termite control where he gained a reputation as a very knowledgeable individual, problem solver, and a damned good person to send to pissed off customers' homes. The last trait due to his ability to empathize, listen to the client's issues, and then address the problem, educate the client, or to direct the client to someone who is able to do so.

He has additional experience in the fields of medical or veterinary office support.

== '''Children''' ==

Deathbunny has three of his own, all very intelligent and ably supported in their pursuit of knowledge.

== '''Articles Initiated By Me''' ==

User talk:Deathbunny

2009-12-30T02:33:43Z

Deathbunny: /* Welcome */

==Welcome==
I'm amazed by your whole 'About' page and how detailed it is. Welcome to IMFDB. Just remember one thing and you should be good -When making a page make sure that you screencap it or find screencaps before making it or it will probably be tagged for deletion or deleted by the MODs themselves. Hope to see you around. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
::I cloned my Wikipedia 'About page', deleted the links not about weapons and fixed most of the weapons links... Conveniently, the formatting is the same. I've actually edited one or two pages/comments here before, but just anonomously and I'm all for "pios or it didn't happen". [[User:Deathbunny|Deathbunny]] 02:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Deathbunny

2009-12-30T02:21:55Z

Deathbunny: /* Military Service */

== '''Introduction''' ==

Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human behavior and extrapolate future trends from the perspectives of Evolutionary Psychology and Physical Anthropology. (Or become a novelist who writes scientific articles on the side.)

In his daily life he is a simple, somewhat lazy ("efficient") college student who is perpetually in search of a better part-time job until such time he moves into a career.

DB's other interests include the design of and use of small arms, science fiction, writing science fiction, and adding to his extensive collection of semi-obscure books, magazines, and pamphlets for later use "in his writing." He also cogitates much and often on one or more of his pet theories and potential plot lines for fiction.

His one (current) claim to online immortality is being quoted by Salon.com in an article on Danial Jackson of Stargate fame as saying "You miss his appeal. From listening to the female-types around here, he has one of the most appealing of attributes in a non-significant-other person: A cute guy that needs mothering. Because of it, he's a babe-magnet and therefore it's taboo to rag on him." * [http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html?pn=2].

== '''Family History''' ==

Deathbunny is a bastard from a long line of bastardry whose recent antecedents have dodged the genetic bullets of Marfan's syndrome, insanity, respiratory problems, and flat feet to grant DB and his children with Scottish surnames and no major health issues except a tendency to be heavy and a bit nearsighted. Considering the heritability of sociosexuality, it's probably no wonder he's got multiple children.

== '''Youth''' ==

Deathbunny was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona and was a lackluster student as a child and teen being bored easily and graduating high school after 5 years with a 1.97 GPA after averaging in "honor points" for advanced courses such as AP Calculus, AP Physics, and computer programming. Somehow he managed to fail almost every elective attempted and the first two years of high school English except Junior ROTC and a single semester Psychology elective. Notable failures included drafting, beginning art, electronics, typing/keyboarding, and an elective entitiled "Outdoor Adventure".

Two key factors to this apparent sign of stupidity was a mother who liked to compare her childrens' progress out loud as a means of "motivation" and an inability to be enthused by anything other than challenging or intersting material. When taken with DB's philosophy of fighting only winning battles when possible, DB's total lack of competitiveness in the high school academic field is quite understandable.

== '''Military Service''' ==

Deathbunny served both in the Arizona Army National Guard--enlisting at age 17 and attending US Army Basic Combat Training while in high school--and the US Army with a total length of service of 7 years and 8 months. Promoted exactly once, from Private First Class to Specialist, his service was characterized by an excellence in his mission performance and a lack of effort in uniform wear and appearance that, nonetheless, resulted in his attendance of the US Army Primary Leadership Development Course and several awards including 3 Letters of Achievement from LTC's and above, two Army Achievement Medals, A Good Conduct Medal, and the prestigious Expert Field Medical Badge along with the noteriety of being the only line medic in his unit(s) to qualify with the [[Beretta_92_pistol_series#Beretta_92F.2FFS|M9 Pistol]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A1_Rifle|M16A1]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A2_Rifle|M16A2]], [[FN_Minimi#M249-E1_.2F_M249-E2_.2F_M249_Paratrooper_SAW|M249 SAW]], [[M60 machine gun|M60 GPMG]], [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]], Hand Grenades, and fire (in training) the 155mm Howitzer, [[M2 Browning machine gun|M2HB HMG]], [[Mk_19|MK19 Mod 3]] GMG, M220-series TOW missile, [[AT4|M136 AT4 MAW]], and the [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]. (Almost all while pulling range coverage.)

Despite being assigned to the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) while it was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps for a number of years, the only foriegn country Deathbunny has thus far been to has been flying over a corner of Canada to get to Alaska.

Alerted many times and never deployed, Deathbunny's combat experience is nil beyond training and reading a good book. Instead, he is very attentive to combat vets for their opinions on such subjects and does not try to portray himself as an expert on such things.

Occasionally, he continues to flirt with the idea of reenlisting for a few years for the nebulous purpose of "paying student loans" and "finishing something he wasn't done with yet."

== '''College''' ==

Deathbunny started college twice.

First, immediately after graduating high school, he attended a trade school to learn PC repair. Dropping out because his girlfriend at the time was putting out a lot and realizing that, despite being interested in computer programming and system architecture, he wasn't interested in being a test-discard-replace jockey for life, DB ceased attending school to go into the Army.

Since then, the trade school went under, disappeared, and--beyond $2000 in student loans--allows DB to deny any knowledge of said excursion into collegiate education.

Deathbunny earned an Associate in Science degree with distinction from a local community college and is currently a student at Arizona State University West Campus pursuing a Bachelor's of Science in Psychology and Arizona State University Main Campus pursuing a minors in Biological Sciences and Anthropology because he sucks at foreign languages.

After completing his undergraduate education he intends on applying for graduate school either in the field of Evolutionary psychology, Behavioral ecology, or Physical anthropology.

== '''Career''' ==

Beyond the military, Deathbunny's primary work has been in the field of termite control where he gained a reputation as a very knowledgeable individual, problem solver, and a damned good person to send to pissed off customers' homes. The last trait due to his ability to empathize, listen to the client's issues, and then address the problem, educate the client, or to direct the client to someone who is able to do so.

He has additional experience in the fields of medical or veterinary office support.

== '''Children''' ==

Deathbunny has three of his own, all very intelligent and ably supported in their pursuit of knowledge.

== '''Articles Initiated By Me''' ==

User:Deathbunny

2009-12-30T02:13:15Z

Deathbunny: /* Military Service */

== '''Introduction''' ==

Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human behavior and extrapolate future trends from the perspectives of Evolutionary Psychology and Physical Anthropology. (Or become a novelist who writes scientific articles on the side.)

In his daily life he is a simple, somewhat lazy ("efficient") college student who is perpetually in search of a better part-time job until such time he moves into a career.

DB's other interests include the design of and use of small arms, science fiction, writing science fiction, and adding to his extensive collection of semi-obscure books, magazines, and pamphlets for later use "in his writing." He also cogitates much and often on one or more of his pet theories and potential plot lines for fiction.

His one (current) claim to online immortality is being quoted by Salon.com in an article on Danial Jackson of Stargate fame as saying "You miss his appeal. From listening to the female-types around here, he has one of the most appealing of attributes in a non-significant-other person: A cute guy that needs mothering. Because of it, he's a babe-magnet and therefore it's taboo to rag on him." * [http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html?pn=2].

== '''Family History''' ==

Deathbunny is a bastard from a long line of bastardry whose recent antecedents have dodged the genetic bullets of Marfan's syndrome, insanity, respiratory problems, and flat feet to grant DB and his children with Scottish surnames and no major health issues except a tendency to be heavy and a bit nearsighted. Considering the heritability of sociosexuality, it's probably no wonder he's got multiple children.

== '''Youth''' ==

Deathbunny was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona and was a lackluster student as a child and teen being bored easily and graduating high school after 5 years with a 1.97 GPA after averaging in "honor points" for advanced courses such as AP Calculus, AP Physics, and computer programming. Somehow he managed to fail almost every elective attempted and the first two years of high school English except Junior ROTC and a single semester Psychology elective. Notable failures included drafting, beginning art, electronics, typing/keyboarding, and an elective entitiled "Outdoor Adventure".

Two key factors to this apparent sign of stupidity was a mother who liked to compare her childrens' progress out loud as a means of "motivation" and an inability to be enthused by anything other than challenging or intersting material. When taken with DB's philosophy of fighting only winning battles when possible, DB's total lack of competitiveness in the high school academic field is quite understandable.

== '''Military Service''' ==

Deathbunny served both in the Arizona Army National Guard--enlisting at age 17 and attending US Army Basic Combat Training while in high school--and the US Army with a total length of service of 7 years and 8 months. Promoted exactly once, from Private First Class to Specialist, his service was characterized by an excellence in his mission performance and a lack of effort in uniform wear and appearance that, nonetheless, resulted in his attendance of the US Army Primary Leadership Development Course and several awards including 3 Letters of Achievement from LTC's and above, two Army Achievement Medals, A Good Conduct Medal, and the prestigious Expert Field Medical Badge along with the noteriety of being the only line medic in his unit(s) to qualify with the [[M9 pistol|M9 Pistol]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A1_Rifle|M16A1]], [[M16_rifle_series#M16A2_Rifle|M16A2]], [[M249 Squad Automatic Weapon|M249 SAW]], [[M60 machine gun|M60 GPMG]], [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]], Hand Grenades, and fire (in training) the 155mm Howitzer, [[M2 Browning machine gun|M2HB HMG]], [[Mk_19|MK19 Mod 3]] GMG, M220-series TOW missile, [[AT4|M136 AT4 MAW]], and the [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]. (Almost all while pulling range coverage.)

Despite being assigned to the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) while it was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps for a number of years, the only foriegn country Deathbunny has thus far been to has been flying over a corner of Canada to get to Alaska.

Alerted many times and never deployed, Deathbunny's combat experience is nil beyond training and reading a good book. Instead, he is very attentive to combat vets for their opinions on such subjects and does not try to portray himself as an expert on such things.

Occasionally, he continues to flirt with the idea of reenlisting for a few years for the nebulous purpose of "paying student loans" and "finishing something he wasn't done with yet."

== '''College''' ==

Deathbunny started college twice.

First, immediately after graduating high school, he attended a trade school to learn PC repair. Dropping out because his girlfriend at the time was putting out a lot and realizing that, despite being interested in computer programming and system architecture, he wasn't interested in being a test-discard-replace jockey for life, DB ceased attending school to go into the Army.

Since then, the trade school went under, disappeared, and--beyond $2000 in student loans--allows DB to deny any knowledge of said excursion into collegiate education.

Deathbunny earned an Associate in Science degree with distinction from a local community college and is currently a student at Arizona State University West Campus pursuing a Bachelor's of Science in Psychology and Arizona State University Main Campus pursuing a minors in Biological Sciences and Anthropology because he sucks at foreign languages.

After completing his undergraduate education he intends on applying for graduate school either in the field of Evolutionary psychology, Behavioral ecology, or Physical anthropology.

== '''Career''' ==

Beyond the military, Deathbunny's primary work has been in the field of termite control where he gained a reputation as a very knowledgeable individual, problem solver, and a damned good person to send to pissed off customers' homes. The last trait due to his ability to empathize, listen to the client's issues, and then address the problem, educate the client, or to direct the client to someone who is able to do so.

He has additional experience in the fields of medical or veterinary office support.

== '''Children''' ==

Deathbunny has three of his own, all very intelligent and ably supported in their pursuit of knowledge.

== '''Articles Initiated By Me''' ==

User:Deathbunny

2009-12-30T02:12:01Z

Deathbunny: /* Career */

== '''Introduction''' ==

Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human behavior and extrapolate future trends from the perspectives of Evolutionary Psychology and Physical Anthropology. (Or become a novelist who writes scientific articles on the side.)

In his daily life he is a simple, somewhat lazy ("efficient") college student who is perpetually in search of a better part-time job until such time he moves into a career.

DB's other interests include the design of and use of small arms, science fiction, writing science fiction, and adding to his extensive collection of semi-obscure books, magazines, and pamphlets for later use "in his writing." He also cogitates much and often on one or more of his pet theories and potential plot lines for fiction.

His one (current) claim to online immortality is being quoted by Salon.com in an article on Danial Jackson of Stargate fame as saying "You miss his appeal. From listening to the female-types around here, he has one of the most appealing of attributes in a non-significant-other person: A cute guy that needs mothering. Because of it, he's a babe-magnet and therefore it's taboo to rag on him." * [http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html?pn=2].

== '''Family History''' ==

Deathbunny is a bastard from a long line of bastardry whose recent antecedents have dodged the genetic bullets of Marfan's syndrome, insanity, respiratory problems, and flat feet to grant DB and his children with Scottish surnames and no major health issues except a tendency to be heavy and a bit nearsighted. Considering the heritability of sociosexuality, it's probably no wonder he's got multiple children.

== '''Youth''' ==

Deathbunny was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona and was a lackluster student as a child and teen being bored easily and graduating high school after 5 years with a 1.97 GPA after averaging in "honor points" for advanced courses such as AP Calculus, AP Physics, and computer programming. Somehow he managed to fail almost every elective attempted and the first two years of high school English except Junior ROTC and a single semester Psychology elective. Notable failures included drafting, beginning art, electronics, typing/keyboarding, and an elective entitiled "Outdoor Adventure".

Two key factors to this apparent sign of stupidity was a mother who liked to compare her childrens' progress out loud as a means of "motivation" and an inability to be enthused by anything other than challenging or intersting material. When taken with DB's philosophy of fighting only winning battles when possible, DB's total lack of competitiveness in the high school academic field is quite understandable.

== '''Military Service''' ==

Deathbunny served both in the Arizona Army National Guard--enlisting at age 17 and attending US Army Basic Combat Training while in high school--and the US Army with a total length of service of 7 years and 8 months. Promoted exactly once, from Private First Class to Specialist, his service was characterized by an excellence in his mission performance and a lack of effort in uniform wear and appearance that, nonetheless, resulted in his attendance of the US Army Primary Leadership Development Course and several awards including 3 Letters of Achievement from LTC's and above, two Army Achievement Medals, A Good Conduct Medal, and the prestigious Expert Field Medical Badge along with the noteriety of being the only line medic in his unit(s) to qualify with the [[M9 pistol|M9 Pistol]], [[M16 rifle|M16A1]], [[M16 rifle|M16A2]], [[M249 Squad Automatic Weapon|M249 SAW]], [[M60 machine gun|M60 GPMG]], [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]], Hand Grenades, and fire (in training) the 155mm Howitzer, [[M2 Browning machine gun|M2HB HMG]], [[Mk_19|MK19 Mod 3]] GMG, M220-series TOW missile, [[AT4|M136 AT4 MAW]], and the [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]. (Almost all while pulling range coverage.)

Despite being assigned to the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) while it was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps for a number of years, the only foriegn country Deathbunny has thus far been to has been flying over a corner of Canada to get to Alaska.

Alerted many times and never deployed, Deathbunny's combat experience is nil beyond training and reading a good book. Instead, he is very attentive to combat vets for their opinions on such subjects and does not try to portray himself as an expert on such things.

Occasionally, he continues to flirt with the idea of reenlisting for a few years for the nebulous purpose of "paying student loans" and "finishing something he wasn't done with yet."

== '''College''' ==

Deathbunny started college twice.

First, immediately after graduating high school, he attended a trade school to learn PC repair. Dropping out because his girlfriend at the time was putting out a lot and realizing that, despite being interested in computer programming and system architecture, he wasn't interested in being a test-discard-replace jockey for life, DB ceased attending school to go into the Army.

Since then, the trade school went under, disappeared, and--beyond $2000 in student loans--allows DB to deny any knowledge of said excursion into collegiate education.

Deathbunny earned an Associate in Science degree with distinction from a local community college and is currently a student at Arizona State University West Campus pursuing a Bachelor's of Science in Psychology and Arizona State University Main Campus pursuing a minors in Biological Sciences and Anthropology because he sucks at foreign languages.

After completing his undergraduate education he intends on applying for graduate school either in the field of Evolutionary psychology, Behavioral ecology, or Physical anthropology.

== '''Career''' ==

Beyond the military, Deathbunny's primary work has been in the field of termite control where he gained a reputation as a very knowledgeable individual, problem solver, and a damned good person to send to pissed off customers' homes. The last trait due to his ability to empathize, listen to the client's issues, and then address the problem, educate the client, or to direct the client to someone who is able to do so.

He has additional experience in the fields of medical or veterinary office support.

== '''Children''' ==

Deathbunny has three of his own, all very intelligent and ably supported in their pursuit of knowledge.

== '''Articles Initiated By Me''' ==

User:Deathbunny

2009-12-30T02:11:16Z

Deathbunny: New page: == '''Introduction''' == Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human...

== '''Introduction''' ==

Deathbunny (DB) is a midlife college student pursuing a bachelor's degree in Psychology with minors in Anthropology and Biology. His dream job is to study human behavior and extrapolate future trends from the perspectives of Evolutionary Psychology and Physical Anthropology. (Or become a novelist who writes scientific articles on the side.)

In his daily life he is a simple, somewhat lazy ("efficient") college student who is perpetually in search of a better part-time job until such time he moves into a career.

DB's other interests include the design of and use of small arms, science fiction, writing science fiction, and adding to his extensive collection of semi-obscure books, magazines, and pamphlets for later use "in his writing." He also cogitates much and often on one or more of his pet theories and potential plot lines for fiction.

His one (current) claim to online immortality is being quoted by Salon.com in an article on Danial Jackson of Stargate fame as saying "You miss his appeal. From listening to the female-types around here, he has one of the most appealing of attributes in a non-significant-other person: A cute guy that needs mothering. Because of it, he's a babe-magnet and therefore it's taboo to rag on him." * [http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/02/13/stargate_rebellion/index.html?pn=2].

== '''Family History''' ==

Deathbunny is a bastard from a long line of bastardry whose recent antecedents have dodged the genetic bullets of Marfan's syndrome, insanity, respiratory problems, and flat feet to grant DB and his children with Scottish surnames and no major health issues except a tendency to be heavy and a bit nearsighted. Considering the heritability of sociosexuality, it's probably no wonder he's got multiple children.

== '''Youth''' ==

Deathbunny was born and raised in Phoenix, Arizona and was a lackluster student as a child and teen being bored easily and graduating high school after 5 years with a 1.97 GPA after averaging in "honor points" for advanced courses such as AP Calculus, AP Physics, and computer programming. Somehow he managed to fail almost every elective attempted and the first two years of high school English except Junior ROTC and a single semester Psychology elective. Notable failures included drafting, beginning art, electronics, typing/keyboarding, and an elective entitiled "Outdoor Adventure".

Two key factors to this apparent sign of stupidity was a mother who liked to compare her childrens' progress out loud as a means of "motivation" and an inability to be enthused by anything other than challenging or intersting material. When taken with DB's philosophy of fighting only winning battles when possible, DB's total lack of competitiveness in the high school academic field is quite understandable.

== '''Military Service''' ==

Deathbunny served both in the Arizona Army National Guard--enlisting at age 17 and attending US Army Basic Combat Training while in high school--and the US Army with a total length of service of 7 years and 8 months. Promoted exactly once, from Private First Class to Specialist, his service was characterized by an excellence in his mission performance and a lack of effort in uniform wear and appearance that, nonetheless, resulted in his attendance of the US Army Primary Leadership Development Course and several awards including 3 Letters of Achievement from LTC's and above, two Army Achievement Medals, A Good Conduct Medal, and the prestigious Expert Field Medical Badge along with the noteriety of being the only line medic in his unit(s) to qualify with the [[M9 pistol|M9 Pistol]], [[M16 rifle|M16A1]], [[M16 rifle|M16A2]], [[M249 Squad Automatic Weapon|M249 SAW]], [[M60 machine gun|M60 GPMG]], [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]], Hand Grenades, and fire (in training) the 155mm Howitzer, [[M2 Browning machine gun|M2HB HMG]], [[Mk_19|MK19 Mod 3]] GMG, M220-series TOW missile, [[AT4|M136 AT4 MAW]], and the [[M72 LAW|M72A2 LAW]]. (Almost all while pulling range coverage.)

Despite being assigned to the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) while it was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps for a number of years, the only foriegn country Deathbunny has thus far been to has been flying over a corner of Canada to get to Alaska.

Alerted many times and never deployed, Deathbunny's combat experience is nil beyond training and reading a good book. Instead, he is very attentive to combat vets for their opinions on such subjects and does not try to portray himself as an expert on such things.

Occasionally, he continues to flirt with the idea of reenlisting for a few years for the nebulous purpose of "paying student loans" and "finishing something he wasn't done with yet."

== '''College''' ==

Deathbunny started college twice.

First, immediately after graduating high school, he attended a trade school to learn PC repair. Dropping out because his girlfriend at the time was putting out a lot and realizing that, despite being interested in computer programming and system architecture, he wasn't interested in being a test-discard-replace jockey for life, DB ceased attending school to go into the Army.

Since then, the trade school went under, disappeared, and--beyond $2000 in student loans--allows DB to deny any knowledge of said excursion into collegiate education.

Deathbunny earned an Associate in Science degree with distinction from a local community college and is currently a student at Arizona State University West Campus pursuing a Bachelor's of Science in Psychology and Arizona State University Main Campus pursuing a minors in Biological Sciences and Anthropology because he sucks at foreign languages.

After completing his undergraduate education he intends on applying for graduate school either in the field of Evolutionary psychology, Behavioral ecology, or Physical anthropology.

== '''Career''' ==

Beyond the military, Deathbunny's primary work has been in the field of [[termite]] control where he gained a reputation as a very knowledgeable individual, problem solver, and a damned good person to send to pissed off customers' homes. The last trait due to his ability to empathize, listen to the client's issues, and then address the problem, educate the client, or to direct the client to someone who is able to do so.

He has additional experience in the fields of medical or veterinary office support.

== '''Children''' ==

Deathbunny has three of his own, all very intelligent and ably supported in their pursuit of knowledge.

== '''Articles Initiated By Me''' ==