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Aliens

2010-12-18T03:15:11Z

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[[Image:Aliens_Poster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Aliens'' (1986)]]

''Aliens'' is the 1986 sequel to ''[[Alien]]''. Directed by [[James Cameron]], the science fiction film once again stars [[Sigourney Weaver]] as Ripley, who travels with a platoon of Space Marines to investigate the disappearance of the colony established on the same planet where the first Alien was discovered. The majority of the weapons seen in the film were actual weapons visually modified.

'''The following weapons were used in the movie ''Aliens'':'''
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== M41A Pulse Rifle ==

The Marines of the USCMC (United States Colonial Marine Corps) famously use the [[M41A Pulse Rifle]] as their standard issue weapon, a futuristic assault rifle with a magazine capacity of 99 rounds of 10mm caseless armor piercing ammunition with a pump action 30mm grenade launcher underneath the barrel. This weapon was made from an [[M1 Thompson]] submachine gun fitted with a cutdown [[Remington 870]] shotgun underneath with the shroud and foregrip of a [[SPAS 12]] covering it. At the end of the film, Ripley ([[Sigourney Weaver]]) tapes one of these rifles to an M240 Flamethrower when going to rescue Newt (Carrie Henn).

[[Image: Pulse Rifle-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M41A]]
[[Image:Aliens_Pulse.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private R. Frost ([[Ricco Ross]]) loads an [[M41A Pulse Rifle]].]]
[[Image:Aliens_Pulse2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Corporal Dwayne Hicks ([[Michael Biehn]]) instructs Ripley on how to use an [[M41A Pulse Rifle]].]]
[[Image:Aliens_Pulse3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ripley holds an [[M41A Pulse Rifle]] for the first time.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M41-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hicks fires his [[M41A Pulse Rifle]] before retreating back.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M41-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Hudson ([[Bill Paxton]]) before letting loose with his [[M41A Pulse Rifle]]. Hudson also lets loose a record number of f-bombs as well.]]
[[Image:Aliens_030.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vasquez ([[Jenette Goldstein]]) fires the [[M41A Pulse Rifle]]. Note the shells ejecting despite the fact the rifle was supposed to fire caseless ammunition. Also note how Vasquez is keeping her eyes open in spite of the low-light conditions and the high muzzle flash.]]
[[Image:Aliens 026.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ripley prepares to enter the fray with the pulse rifle and flamethrower together.]]
[[Image:Aliens 022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Ripley's pulse rifle and flamethrower.]]
[[Image:Aliens 025.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the 30mm pump action grenade launcher.]]
===Special===
[[Image:ALSF-M41-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Armorer Simon Atherton displays the M41A in a behind the scenes clip.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M41-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the modified Remington.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M41-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Simon Atherton shows off one of the grenades used in the launcher. Which is just a 12 gauge snap cap with various cuts and a button so it can be detonated by hand also.]]

== M56 Smart Gun ==

Both PFC J. Vasquez ([[Jenette Goldstein]]), and Private M. Drake ([[Mark Rolston]]) use [[M56 Smart Gun]]s. These were made from German [[MG42]] machine guns. The body-mounting apparatus was made from Steadicam "arms," with other miscellaneous parts coming from various motorcycles.
[[Image:PDVD 002.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Vasquez and Drake show off their smartguns.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Smart.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PFC J. Vasquez ([[Jenette Goldstein]]) wielding an M56 Smart Gun as the Marines investigate the base.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Smart2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private M. Drake ([[Mark Rolston]]) with an [[M56 Smart Gun]].]]
[[Image:Aliens_2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Let's Rock!" Vasquez opens up with the smart gun.]]

===Special===
[[Image:ALSF-M56-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A pre-production sketch of the smartgun.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another sketch shows off the detailing of the weapon.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A top view of the weapon.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The magazine drum of the smartgun.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Atherton shows off the steadicam mechanism for Vasquez's gun.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-6.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The handlebar grip.]]
[[Image:ALSF-M56-7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The handlebar trigger for the gun.]]

== M240 Flamethrower ==

Another weapon used by the Marines is the [[M240 Flamethrower]], it most notably used by Gunnery Sergeant A. Apone ([[Al Matthews]]), Private M. Drake ([[Mark Rolston]]), and Ripley ([[Sigourney Weaver]]) when she famously tapes it to an [[M41A Pulse Rifle]] before she goes to rescue Newt (Carrie Henn). These flamethrowers also appear to have been created from parts from [[M16 rifle series#M16 Rifle|M16 rifle]]s with the [[M16 rifle series#M16/203 rifle and underslung launcher|M203]] handguard. The 'faux' flamethrower used the upper receiver assembly of an M16A1 - cut into two parts, using the top handle facing forward, but the section with the ejection port turned backwards.

[[Image:M240Flamethrower.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|M240 Flamethrower]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pvt. Wierzbowski ([[Trevor Steedman]]) and Frost with the M240 Flamethrower before loading up.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Flamethrower_new.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sergeant A. Apone wielding an M240 Flamethrower.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Flamethrower2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private M. Drake ([[Mark Rolston]]) uses an M240 Flamethrower when his Smart Gun runs dry.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Flamethrower3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ripley tapes the M240 Flamethrower to an [[M41A Pulse Rifle]]. An editing mismatch is present in this scene - Ripley pulls a Flamethrower off the rack, but the next shot shows her putting down a Pulse Rifle. She then grabs a Pulse Rifle and puts down a Flamethrower.]]
[[Image:Aliens 028.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ripley with her flamethrower and pulse rifle combo.]]

== Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" ==

Corporal Hicks' ([[Michael Biehn]]) shotgun is an [[Ithaca 37#Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]] which he keeps for "Close Encounters". One memorable scene with this gun is when Hicks sticks the barrel of the weapon in an aliens' mouth, and yells "Eat This!" and proceeds to blow its head off. In the process the acidic blood gets sprayed on to Pvt. Hudson's ([[Bill Paxton]]) arm because he was trying to close the door of the APC.

[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]]
[[Image:Aliens_Ithaca.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"I like to keep this handy [chick-chick]... for close encounters."]]
[[Image:Aliens_Ithaca2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hicks picks up a dead Facehugger with the barrel of his [[Ithaca 37#Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout"]].]]
[[Image:ALIENS-ITHACA37-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Eat This!" Hicks blows the back of the aliens head off. Note how the blood spray does go in all directions. Causing Hudson's arm to get burned.]]

== Heckler & Koch VP70 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch VP70]] is the service pistol of the Marines in the movie. This gun is notably seen in the hands of Private Frost ([[Ricco Ross]]) just before the aliens attack. Cpl. Ferro ([[Colette Hiller]]) attempts to draw hers from its holster, but is unable to in time when an alien gets aboard her ship. Lieutenant Gorman ([[William Hope]]) uses one to shoot at aliens during the airshaft scene.

''Trivia Note: In the special features included with the Collector's Edition DVD, it is mentioned by one of the film's armorers that the VP-70 was chosen as the standard issue sidearm for the Colonial Marines because of its "futuristic look" as well as its relative obscurity; it is also is no longer manufactured.''

[[Image:HK VP70Z 1890.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch VP70 9mm with spare magazine]]
[[Image:Aliens_VP70.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Private Frost holding his [[Heckler & Koch VP70]].]]
[[Image:ALIENS-HKVP70-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cpl. Ferro attempts to draw her VP70 after an alien gets aboard her ship.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-HKVP70-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lieutenant Gorman ([[William Hope]]) with his VP70 drawn as he and Hicks wait for Vasquez to bring up the rear.]]
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[[Image:ALSF-VP70.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Atherton displays one of the VP70's.]]

== UA571-C Remote Automated Sentry System ==

In the extended version of the film, the Marines set up sentry turrets in the hallways leading to their refuge. These were built upon WWII German MG42 machine guns, the same used for the smartguns and provided by Bapty's (movie armorer of the UK). Only the ammo drums on the side are from WW1 German Spandau [[Maxim LMG 08/15]] machine guns

[[Image:Aliens_Sentry.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sentry turrets firing during a test.]]
[[Image:Aliens_Sentry2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sentry turrets firing at approaching aliens.]]

== Smith & Wesson Model 39 ==

PFC Vasquez ([[Jenette Goldstein]]) uses a blued [[Smith & Wesson Model 39]] with Ivory grips as her sidearm. She most notably uses it to kill an alien while moving through the vents, but burns her foot from the creature's acidic blood in the process.

[[Image:S&W39.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 39 9mm.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-SW39-1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|PFC Vasquez's Smith & Wesson Model 39 in the holster.]]
[[Image:Aliens_S&W.jpg|thumb|600px|none|PFC Vasquez moving through the vents with her [[Smith & Wesson Model 39]] drawn.]]
[[Image:Aliens 031.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of the Vasquez's S&W as she takes out an Alien. Note that the hands firing the gun are actually that of Aliens producer Gale Anne Hurd. Hurd explained that [[Jenette Goldstein]] had little firearms experience prior to filming and her portrayal of the gun's recoil wasn't accurate.]]

==M16A1==

Seen on the gun racks in the ''USS Sulaco'''s armory.
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

[[Image:PDVD 001 Aliens.JPG|thumb|none|600px|M16A1 seen in the rack behind Private Frost.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this behind the scenes photo shows the best view of the M16A1's.]]

==SA80==

Seen on the gun racks in the ''Sulaco'''s armory.
[[Image:Sal8.jpg|thumb|none|400px|British Royal Ord SA80]]
[[Image:PDVD 000.JPG|600px|thumb|none|Sa-80 next to some pulse rifles.]]

==Colt Commando==
Seen on the gun racks in the ''USS Sulaco'''s armory.
[[Image:ColtM177E2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Commando 5.56mm]]
[[Image:Aliens 2022.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Colt Commando rifles briefly glimpsed in the gun rack behind Frost.]]
[[Image:ALIENS-M16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In this behind the scenes photo shows the best view of the Colt Commandos. (far right)]]

==See Also==
''[[Alien]]''

''[[Alien³]]''

''[[Alien Resurrection]]''

== External Links ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41A_pulse_rifle M41A Pulse Rifle @ Wikipedia]

[http://www.mutantreviewers.com/raliens.html Aliens Review]

[http://www.longmountain.com/movieguns/Aliens2 Aliens II Info]

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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

2010-12-18T03:12:51Z

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[[Image:CrystallSkull.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''[[Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull]]'' (2008)]]

'''The following guns were used in the film ''Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'':'''

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== Webley "WG" Army Model ==
As in ''[[Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade|The Last Crusade]]'', Indiana Jones ([[Harrison Ford]]) carries a commercial [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver as his main sidearm. He is seen cocking the hammer on one of the cemetery "guards", but doesn't fire it in the film.

[[Image:wgl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Webley "WG" Army Model .455 Webley]]

[[Image:Csindy.jpg|thumb|300px|none|A production still of [[Harrison Ford]] as Indiana Jones with his whip and [[Webley "WG" Army Model]] revolver.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-Webley.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Indy cocks the hammer on his Webley WG Army when a cemetery "guard" threatens Mutt Williams ([[Shia LaBeouf]]). ]]
[[Image:Teaser 092.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"You're a teacher?" "Part-time." Indiana Jones ([[Harrison Ford]]) with the Webley WG Army revolver.]]

==Tokarev TT-33==

The [[Tokarev TT-33 Pistol]] is carried by Red Army officers and KGB agents; the versions used in the film are the Chinese Type 54 copy, which would have existed at the time (the '54' refers to the year of its adoption by the PLA), but would not have been used by Russians. You can tell because they have a large safety switch and the distinctive grips of the Chinese-made Tokarevs. Russian TT-33s also have a safety, but this was forced upon importers after 1990 by the ATF, so many Soviet Era TT-33 pistols were drilled out and had a safety installed by importers in the 1990s.

[[Image:Tokarev NorincoM213B.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 54 Model 213 with blued finish - 9mm.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-TT.jpg|thumb|600px|none|As the KGB pull their Soviet Tokarev's, Mutt Williams ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) is told he just brought his knife to a gunfight.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-TT2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Col. Dr. Irina Spalko ([[Cate Blanchett]]) aims her Tokarev TT-33 Pistol. The large safety reveals that it is a Chinese Type 54]]
[[Image:Spalko.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Actual screen used China made Norinco Model 213 9mm X 19 as used by Col. Dr. Irina Spalko ([[Cate Blanchett]])]]
[[Image:Spalko2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Screen used Tokarev in display case.]]

==Type 69==

A Chinese [[RPG-7#Type 69|Type 69]] copy of the [[RPG-7]] is seen in a poster for the film, and is fired by Indy in the trailer. This is not historically accurate, as the movie is set in 1957, and the [[RPG-7]] was not adopted by the Soviet Union until 1961. In the film, the weapon seems to have been modified to fire a PG-2 antitank grenade (a round which only the RPG-2 can fire), but the launcher itself is clearly not an RPG-2 (you can tell it's a Chinese Type 69 copy because it has the folding carry handle and thicker heat shield). It is more than likely that the Chinese Type 69 RPG was used as a "stand-in" for the Russian [[RPG-2]], which was in use with the Red Army in 1957.

[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Chinese Type 69 Launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:Ij4wp311024hm7.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A production still of Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones with an [[RPG-2]].]]
[[Image:IJKCS-RPG.jpg|thumb|600px|none|"I'd cover my ears if I were you". Indy prepares to fire the RPG.]]

==M1 & M2 Carbine==
[[M1 Carbine|M1 and M2 Carbines]] are used by the Russians posing as US Army soldiers and by Indiana Jones at the beginning of the film. Most of them with 30 round magazines. The ones with 15rd magazines in them are non-firing plastic replicas.

[[Image:M1c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1 Cal .30 Carbine]]
[[Image:IJ4 M1Carbine 1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M1 Carbine Real Screen Used]]
[[Image:IJKCS2-M1B.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Indy aims the M1 Carbine at Spalko. The selector is just behind the handguard]]
[[Image:IJKCS-M1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Russians posing as American soldiers train their M1's on Indy and Mac. Note that with their positions, they would hit each other if they were to shoot them.]]
[[Image:IJKCS2-M1A.jpg|thumb|600px|none|M1's are slung over the shoulders of the guards that carry the mysterious Area 51 crate. We can also see where Indy got the idea for his escape.]]

==M1919A4/A6==
A [[Browning M1919|M1919A4]] machine gun is seen on the Russian amphibious Jeep in this movie, It is lost during the waterfall scene. It is possible this weapon could be a 'captured example' from WWII/Korea used by the Soviets prior to the PK machine gun, or on lease from Communist South American countri[[Image:http://www.megawank.com/pics/picturepost/teen-porn+-2337.jpg]]es aiding the Soviets. A more likely possibility that the weapon was an attempt (a fairly poor one at that) to imitate the design of the Soviet KPV. You can tell it was a [[Browning M1919]] by the receiver, trigger and the obvious 'US .30-06 Cal' ammo box, but the conical flash hider and everything else on the gun were from a KPV. (NOTE: Or the flash hider and bipod are from the Israeli post-WWII version of the 1919-A6)

[[Image:M1919A4Browning.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919 .30-06 on M2 tripod]]
[[Image:Indtca5w.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A production still of Cate Blanchett as Irina Spalko behind the Browning mocked up to resemble the KPV.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-M1919.jpg|thumb|600px|none|As Spalko holds the crystal skull, the Browning is seen to her right on the Soviet "Duck".]]
[[Image:IJKCS-M1919a.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Spalko fires the Browning on Marion.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-M1919B.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Another view of the Browning as Indy drives the "Duck".]]

==Norinco Type 56-1==

Almost all of the [[AK-47]]-type rifles in this movie are stamped-receiver Chinese [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Norinco Type 56]]s (fixed stock) and [[AK-47#Norinco Type 56|Type 56-1]]s (folding stock), including the one used by Cate Blanchett during the chase. Aside from the fact that Russians should not be using Chinese-made weapons, AKs with stamped receivers didn't exist until 1959, and the Chinese didn't go to the stamped receivers until 1963. So, although AKs were around then, these particular models are an anachronism. There is a very good possibility that the production crew used the Norinco Type 56 rifles as a "stand-in" for the Russian AK-47s since there are not many genuine Russian AK-47s in the US as well as the Type 56 looking like the original Russian-made AK-47 rifles from a distance (the Norinco Type 56 rifles have a smooth receiver cover that is similar to the ones used on the original Russian AK-47 rifles). Also, the folding-stock model wasn't made until the early 60's, though the ones used might simply be stand-ins for AKS-47 rifles.

[[Image:Type56S.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Norinco Type 56-1 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 56 (Imported into the U.S. as the Norinco AKS-47 or AKS-47 Sporter) - 7.62x39mm. This particular gun lacks the "pig sticker" bayonet seen on the model above, which was standard on PLA-issue Type 56s, but much rarer on the export versions.]]

[[Image:KOCS-AK.JPG|thumb|600px|none|Russian soldiers firing at Indy with Norinco Type 56-1s (Chinese AKS-47/AKMS clones).]]
[[Image:IJKCS-AK.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The Russians behind Marion ([[Karen Allen]]) carry their Norinco's.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-AK2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Russian troops open fire with their Norinco's on Indy and Mac.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-AK3.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Russians holding Norinco's. However, the AKs these Russians are holding are not Norinco Type 56-1s but Russian (or Eastern European or Egyptian) AKMS rifles (note the foregrips, foresight, receiver cover and the AKM muzzle compensator)]]

==Thompson M1921AC==

The [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] held by Mac ([[Ray Winstone]]) in is a Colt 1921AC with a horizontal fore grip on it to update the weapon to 1950's.

[[Image:M1921AC.jpg|thumb|400px|none|M1921AC .45ACP]]
[[Image:Indyt.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ray Winstone as Mac in a promotional still with the Thompson, demonstrating poor trigger safety.]]
[[Image:IJKCS2-Tommy4.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Mac reveals his alliance with the Russians by pointing his Thompson (with finger on the trigger) at Indy.]]

==[[Thompson | Thompson M1928A1]]==

The [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] seen in the hands of the Russians posing as US Army soldiers at the beginning of the film. The M1928A1s seen in the hands of the Russians had horizontal foregrips, 30 round magazines, and Cutts compensators fitted on the muzzle.

[[Image:M1928-A1 T.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 30-round stick magazine and early 'simplified' rear sight that would be adopted for the M1 Thompson - .45 ACP ]]
[[Image:IJKCS-Tommy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image:IJKCS2-Tommy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Russian holds the Thompson on Mac.]]
[[Image:IJKCS3-Tommy.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]
[[Image:IJ4 Thompson 2.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Rubber Thompson used in the scene.]]

==[[Winchester Model 1897]]==

A Russian posing as a US Army soldier is seen armed with a [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotgun at the beginning of the film.

[[Image:1897.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Winchester Model 1897 12 gauge Trench Gun]]

[[Image:IJKCS2-Win1987.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A Russian posing as a US Army soldier armed with a [[Winchester Model 1897]] shotgun unloads a shell for Indy.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==

A [[Browning Hi-Power]] is used by "George 'Mac' McHale" ([[Ray Winstone]]) at the end of the movie. Mac's BHP has an external extractor, which wasn't introduced until 1963.

[[Image:Browning HP West German Police.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Browning Hi-Power 9mm]]

[[Image:IJKCS-HP.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Mac holds the HP on Indy and Mutt.]]

==Colt M1911==
Colonel Dovchenko, disguised as US Army Colonel "Truman," had a [[M1911 pistol series|Colt M1911]].
This prop pistol was used by actors playing Russians disguised a United States Army soldiers in the 2008 return of Indy- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. This plastic and metal dummy Colt 1911 pistol, actually an airsoft gun (no longer capable of firing pellets), is a highly detailed copy of a real Colt 1911 pistol. Dummy pistols such as these are used during filming when a real firearm is not necessary as the actor is not firing the gun. They are also used for background actors to fill out the number of weapons in a scene, or as "holster stuffers." Keen eyes will catch that the "Prop Store of London"'s "official" version is an M1911A1, not an M1911, so the replica gun doesn't exactly match the blank firing weapon used on set.

[[Image:COLTM1911 1913.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Original Colt M1911 (dated 1913) - .45 acp]]

[[Image:Ijk006.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Dovchenko ([[Igor Jijikine]]) raises his M1911 on Indy.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-1911.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The M1911 trained on Indy.]]
[[Image:IJ4 Plastic 1911 2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]

==Trivia==
In the United States, the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) does not allow firearms to be directly pointed at a person in the same screenshot in movie trailers approved for all audiences (so-called "Green Band" trailers). Thus, the studio resorts to CGI to disguise this fact. Below is an example:
[[Image:IndyK12.jpg|thumb|600px|none|A screenshot from the US "Green Band" trailer. Note how the soldier in front is holding the M1 Carbine down, the protruding arm holding the Thompson on the left side, and the soldier with the Thompson in the back is holding the weapon to his side.]]
[[Image:IJKCS-M1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|The scene as it appears in the film.]]

For other examples, please see [[Cop Out]] and [[Iron Man]].

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Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-12-18T03:10:59Z

Dcrew:

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

AUA/

I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

AUA/

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

:Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt [[Special:Contributions/109.157.4.163|109.157.4.163]] 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

== Popular Cop Guns ==
An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life." This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.

SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]

Ah, that's right.
Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.)
Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim

== Flash suppresspr on M4A1 ==

Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?