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Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops II

2013-02-05T23:22:28Z

CommanderLukas:

==Live Action Trailers==
==="Surprise" Trailer"===

====Taurus Judge====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComTaurusJudge.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Taurus Judge stuffed in a "players" vest. This appears to be standing in for the [[Taurus Raging Judge]] as the Judge dose not appear in game.]]

====Remington 870====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComRemington870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Zombies? Groovy''". A "player" is about to take on a zombie horde with a Remington 870 equipped with a M4 style stock and a pump mounted tac light. Judging by this set up the regular Remington 870 seen here in standing in for the MCS version seen in game.]]

====AK74M====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComAK74M.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another "player" in the background with an AK74M due to the indent on the stock. This appears to be standing in for the AN-94 seen ingame.]]

====AKU-94====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComAKU94.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The AKU-94 seen in the hands of the "player" on the left. This appears to be standing for the fictional "Type 25" seen ingame. Also their are no references to AKUs in American film or TV armories so either this is a very good mockup from a [[Norinco Type 86S]] or this is a prop.]]

====M14====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComMGLMK1&M134CLAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Look in the bottom left corner; see that? Its the chalk outline for the M14 in zombies mode.]]

====M14 variant with Bulldog 762 Bullpup chassis ====

[[File:BullDog762.JPG|thumb|none|450px|M1A Scout action in Bulldog 762 bullpup chassis with TA11 ACOG scope, vertical foregrip and bipod - .308 Winchester / 7.62x51mm NATO ]]
[[File:CODBO2LiveActComUnknownSniperRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"''Hey buddy.''"]]
[[File:CODBO2LiveActComUnknownSniperRifleFront.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The view along the rifle. This appears to be standing in for the "SMR" rifle seen in the game which is visually similar, though the SMR is not a sniper rifle and cannot mount a sniper scope or the "ballistic computer" add-on seen here. The only other option is the M14 variant is acting as a ''very'' poor stand-in for a DSR-50.]]
[[File:CODBO2LiveActComUnknownSniperRifleScope.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The scope.]]

====XM8 (Prop)====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComLikelyXM8Prop.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An XM8 with the fictional "MMS" optic. Due to obvious reason this is definitely a prop.]]

====Milkor MGL Mk 1====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComMGLMK1&M134CLAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Oh you're screwed.]]

====GE M134====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComMGLMK1&M134CLAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|CGI rendered M134s on CLAW AI vehicles.]]

====Semtex====

[[File:CODBO2LiveActComSemtex.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Semtex ready to blow while the guy in the back gives us an epic "oh crap" face.]]

=== LG Cinema Trailer===

====AK Type Rifle====

[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComAKRifle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AK type rifle in the background. Its possible its the AK74M listed above.]]

:For some reason, it gives me Vz. 58 vibes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:04, 23 November 2012 (EST)

====M16 Type Rifle====

[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComXM8PropCloseUp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The rifle on the left bares resemblance to an M16 style rifle.]]

====XM8 (Dressed up G36K)====
The fictional "M8A1" variant of the [[Heckler & Koch XM8|H&K XM8 rifle]] appears in the trailer being wielded by a player. Based on close examination, the rifle can be seen ejecting spent casings and appears to have a hinge where the stock connects to the receiver, suggesting that, unlike the one seen in the ''Surprise'' trailer, it could possibly be a live-firing [[Heckler & Koch G36K]] dressed up as an XM8 rather than a prop as previously believed.
[[Image:Xm8 rightmed.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Older version of Heckler & Koch XM8 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:HKG36KR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36KV with rail top carry handle - 5.56x45mm]]
[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComGM134CLAW&XM8Prop.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player firing his G36K. The muzzle flash looks real enough to not be CG.]]
[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComXM8PropCloseUp.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of the dressed up G36K.]]

====GE M134====

[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComGM134CLAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An M134 mounted on the CLAW.]]
[[File:CODBO2LGLiveActComGM134CLAW&XM8Prop.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closeup.]]

== Button mashing ==
Anyone else hate the useless button mashing sequences, I have died about 30 times under that horse by now, just waiting for that idiot to figure out a human can't life a horse hehe. Why do they put them in shooters anyway? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:52, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Urmmm... And how's that relevant to this page? You're just raging at the game xD --[[User:Alisha161fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161fishy|talk]]) 17:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)

You're not supposed to mash for that particular section. You need to hold the triggers/mouse buttons to successfully clear that segment. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 18:05, 15 November 2012 (EST)

== The Newest Joke? ==
Why put up a IMFDB page of this game when it looks clearly like a waste of money - Anonymous User

Because I am loking forward to this game, and cheevo hunting. Besides I am the only biotic organism that plays CoD for the SP and not the multi (well, except for split-screening with my girlfriend). Anyways, I like Call of Duty, and I think this will be cool, and I cannot wait to see what new weapons they will have. - [[User:1morey]] May 6, 2012 8:58 AM (EST)

Because we hate you, that's why. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:44, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

:And ''he sucks'' and we hate him. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:30, 9 June 2012 (CDT)

Sorry [[User:1morey|1morey]], but you are not the only "biotic organism" who buy CoD only for the SP campaign XD [[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]]

I too like to play CoD single player campaigns. I dabbled a little in MP here and there, but don't really understand what all the fuss is about. If only the developers put in as much time and effort into the SP nowadays, like they used too :( --[[User:Ultimagameboy|Ultimagameboy]] 19:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

If IW/Treyarch put as much effort into SP as they do MP these days, we ''might'' actually get an SP game as epic, or better than, CoD4's. Even today with my negative opinion of the CoD franchise, I ''still'' consider CoD4 to be one of the most epic games I've ever played. This is why I like Battlefield and MoH over CoD, because the devs actually put some effort into SP to make it believable and entertaining instead of just putting millions of random enemies with random guns in front of you in a random location and calling it a story. Maybe the plots of those games weren't as dramatic as Russian paras suddenly falling on suburban USA (if I want to see that, I'll put my ''[[Red Dawn (1984)|Red Dawn]]'' Blu-Ray in), but at least they were believable as events that could ''actually'' happen in the real world, especially so with them taking place in more or less the present day. While that may not matter to others, it ''does'' to me and if I can't accept something happening in reality, I can't get engrossed in it in the game. I call it the "Barney Principle". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:02, 23 November 2012 (EST)

== XM8? ==
http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120501-070805.jpg

Weapon in the pic looks like a modified XM8 [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks like the hybrid ACR from RE6 --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:31, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks to just be like a space gun... It "resembles" a XM8 and an ACR, but looks like the SCAR from Crysis. It's just a future weapon. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 16:40, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

To be more specific,it appears to be the Malaysian variant of the XM8,the Malaysian variant has no built in scope like on the ones designed for the U.S Army,but a rail instead.however it has extra features of weapons such as the ACR, which Treyarch probably to give their own artistic touch to make it look unique and futuristic.[[User:Ziess|Ziess]] 22:41, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

In the description, someone wrote that it is based on the M41A1 pulse rifle from Aliens. How? Why? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:52, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

No response to why somebody say the rifle was based on the Pulse Rifle from Aliens? Also is it me or does the firepower of this gun seem a bit weak? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:34, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Don't know about it being based on the M41A (come on, it's ''clearly'' based on the minigun in ''Predator'' [/joke]), but I think given a beefier stock, Treyarch's incarnation would actually look ''good''. Its lines do certainly look more pleasing to me than the current version, and I'm probably one of the biggest XM8 critics on this site. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 17:12, 23 November 2012 (EST)

I was just now watching the Cinema commercial on YouTube (hey, if there's one thing IW and Treyarch can do right, it's advertise their games) and caught this.

[[File:XM8 Blops 2.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

This "prop" is ejecting a spent casing, which looks legit enough, and the muzzle flash doesn't look like CGI, either (CGI muzzle flashes tend to be quite distinguishable from the real thing, from my TV viewing experience). In addition, you can very faintly make out what looks like a hinge where the stock and receiver connect. Could it be a dressed up G36 rather than a prop? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 07:59, 26 November 2012 (EST)

:Yeah, I think that bulky carry handle is there to cover up a real G36 carry handle underneath, and the magwell looks right for a G36 and wrong for an XM8. Though, um...Unless the bottom of the trigger guard is missing, how can he pull the trigger with his finger there? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:07, 26 November 2012 (EST)

::Another G36 indicator is that the stock is side folding. On the XM8 it is only collapsible. A more accurate XM8 mock up based on a G36 can be seen in [[XXX:_State_of_the_Union#.28Fake.29_Heckler_.26_Koch_XM8|XXX: State of the Union]]. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:35, 26 November 2012 (EST)

:::Interestingly the in-game weapon also has a G36-style magwell. Might have used the dressed-up prop as a reference, even. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:07, 26 November 2012 (EST)

:::Strike what I typed previously in this space, I misread Commando's comment and thought he was citing a ''lack'' of a folding stock on the M8A1 mock up. My bad. Since there seems to be a consensus, I'm going to change the XM8 prop entry for the Cinema trailer to state that it's a G36 (probably a K, judging by the barrel length and exposed gas block) dressed up as an XM8. The one used in the ''Surprise'' trailer looks more like the in-game model, so I'm inclined to say that one ''is'' a prop. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:23, 26 November 2012 (EST)

== Future Warfare ==
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The game is set in near future, rumours say it's in 2027. [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

That's what we've been needing. More future crap. ~ACE

Call Of Recon: Ghost Ops --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Well, I've given up on the series now that being on top of five grenades when they go off doesn't kill people.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

:Givern how CoD does with real weapons, watching them making up weapons should be eight kinds of hilarious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:10, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

its been confirmed to be set in the year 2025,i would imagine a mixture of real weapons,and Treyarch-created mashups will be included[[User:Ziess|Ziess]] 22:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

As long as we get (have) to shoot hundreds of rounds full auto at each quadrupedal robot it will apparently be awesome. I hope bullets have no effect on enemies until they suddenly die also. ~ACE

:I don't know, as long as the robots acknowledge being hit, a linebreaker enemy that stops you getting bogged down in one place can be good. ''Resistance: Fall of Man'' had enemies which would use their superior hitpoints (3+ headshots on normal for grunts with the basic rifles) to advance under fire while firing from the hip, which meant they ''didn't'' have to spam grenades at you constantly to stop you staying in one place (also they had Steelheads with guns that shot through walls to help them with that). It actually made the firefights rather more interesting than the headshot = dead standard. Though they at least reacted to being shot (flinched but kept running), it wasn't like ''STALKER'' where enemies were either alive or dead and wouldn't acknowledge any state in between (which in ''Clear Sky'' where they jacked up Bloodsucker HP ridiculously meant you weren't actually sure you were even hurting them).

:In general enemy variety is a huge weakness for modern shooters, since almost everything is 'man with gun.' If they do this ''right'' it could actually have far more varied firefights. Or they'll just have it invincible until you find the glowing rocket launcher Private Dies In An Inconvenient Place dropped, which seems more likely all things considered. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

::Dual wielding Javelins. ~ACE

== Come On ==

There is NOTHING warranting a page for this yet. All of you fanboys need to drop your cocks and have a little patience. Would any IMFDB mods put up with this for any other page or project with the same amount of leaked content, being 1, maybe 2 usable pictures? No way; this whole thing strikes me as ridiculous. If there's nothing concrete worth putting on the main page, stick to the Treyarch forums. It's insane how quickly the COD community jumped onto it on IMFDB. It's fucking preposterous to discuss ONE PICTURE for a WHOLE GAME THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED YET. Please, fanboys, calm down, and don't get ahead of yourselves. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 16:38, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Finally someone who agrees with me. --[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]

I can't disagree [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:18, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

The game has been officially announced, there are several pictures on CallofDuty.com --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 17:47, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Plus, a trailer is coming out today [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:29, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Trailer released, and I can already see inclusions in the form of the M249. --[[User:Jusuchin|Jusuchin]] 19:21, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

== Trailer Weapon Spots ==

Weapon spots from the trailer that I found in the new trailer: at 0:30 there is a M134 Minigun (future-ized) mounted on a four legged combat drone, 0:43 there is a tank drone that appears to have a Metal Storm weapon mounted on its left (our right), 1:09 there is a future pistol (seems unrelated to any real world firearm), 1:11 there is a future-ized XM8, 1:18 there is an M16 (which model can't tell though length suggest it is a full length barrel and has 20 round magazine), 1:27 there what appears to be an M249 SAW (or M240), 1:31 there is a soldier with a balaclava firing a bullpup short barreled weapon that bears resemblance to the QBZ-95, at 1:31 or 1:32 (very easy to miss) there is a soldier being blown away holding an AK variant and by the looks of the handguard and flash hider it is an AN-94, at 1:34 in horseback solders are armed with WWII bolt action rifles, at 1:36 the technical is armed with a Dshk hmg, 1:44 hard to make out but rider on the right has an AK pattern weapon, likely an AK-47 since it looks like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, 1:48 unknown shotgun. That's all I found for now. --[[User:DaiTaNam|DaiTaNam]] 21:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)
:I have an intuition that the M16 might (and I have empathize this, ''might'') be an A1 variant or a faux XM16 judging solely from silhouette of the upper receiver. The SAW apparently has an Mk 48 Mod 1 styled heat shield and handguard but that doesn't really mean anything, considering how the franchise loves to mix and match different variants. Weapon at 1:32, on the other hand, is ''definitely'' an AN-94. At least in aesthetic terms.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 01:03, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:: Isn't it "Kriss USA" instead of "TDI" now?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 08:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:::Possibly, but KRISS ALLCAPS TACTICOOL ARMS is a stupid title and they were TDI first. They only changed it because they've belatedly discovered the mil-spec subgun market is a ghost town if you're not an MP5 and they're only ever going to sell Vectors to mall ninjas. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

==Designated Arguing/Complaining Area==
Before this discussion page turns to chaos like all the other CoD talk pages, let's open up a designated complaint zone. I know many people want to offer their negative opinions about the game, so if you don't have any real discussion topics please post in subheadings here. Hopefully this will allow people who want to actually discuss the game rather than arguing or whining to avoid these comments and have an actual discussion.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

===What is this going to be like===
I have looked at the trailer several times. This is how I think the games success is going to be. A: It will be a huge hit and sell millions of copies like all other COD games or B: It is going to be a complete and total disaster and there will never be another COD game made again in our lifetimes. I find from what I learned from the plot line details that has been released that it is going to feature what the first Black Ops did, except that the flashbacks will be set in the 1980's and the present 2025. I am wondering how Treyarch is going to do that. This will be a very curious COD game that I will be wondering about UNTIL it comes out.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:58, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

===Wow...===
I'll start off by saying the obvious- this game looks stupid. I mean, why jump from the 60's to the 2020's? I could see the futuristic idea that they were trying for, but this looks like a Ghost Recon rip-off. I have just lost what little respect I had for Treyarch. As more details become availiable, I might change my mind, but first impressions are not good. As with any game, if it is fun I will play it.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

I've lost respect for the Call of Duty franchise after Infinity Ward broke up [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

After at least one failed Soviet aggression in the late 60s, failed invasion of the Eastcoast US, ''failed'' (third time's the charm, right?) invasion of continental Europe within the last three games alone, you'd think the US at least would just get used to getting attacked on a major scale by this point.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 01:09, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

:Well they have, it's pretty clear from MW2 that Russia tries to nuke the US so often in this universe that they didn't even bother with a counter-launch since that would just encourage them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:11, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I can't believe how generic they managed to make their new take on the series. Evil robots, mechs on four legs and choppers with unnecesserly many features. It's basically the same as every futuristic game. On top of it the game looks awful, name doesn't make sense, it looks more over-the-top than MW3. Could Treyarch have mistaken May 1 for April 1? This either is a joke, or will become one.--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 05:46, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

What the hell were Treyarch thinking? I was seriously hoping too see what happened to Hudson, Weaver and Mason in Operation Charybdis and maybe if we would get to see how Price started his career. It is often better to go back to basics than too go forward complications. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:What made you so sure that Price was going to be in this game?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:45, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:Modern Warfare is set in a different continuity, and they even wanted to spin it off into an entirely separate franchise. The Call of Duty label was stuck on by Activision as a way of marketing it. Price won't be appearing because he doesn't exist. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

:From what I've read on CoD wiki and heard, 1/3 of the game will take place in the 80s and the rest in 2025--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 09:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

: @ The Wierd It - the 'intel' at the ending of the final story mission of Black Ops suggest that Mason is being hunted by an SAS team in South Africa lead by a young operative called 'Jonathan' which many people have taken to mean a very young Captain Price [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]
::I think it's very unlikely that they'll have any crossovers between the WaW/BO and MW universes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:47, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
::I know that. I'm wondering where the leap in logic came that took people from one of the more common first names in the English language to "this is obviously meant to be Price". [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:36, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:::Well, it's positively rational compared to the kind of logical gymnastics that some rumour threads get. "I performed a series of random mathematical actions on this Valve press release and made the number 3! Episode 3 confirmed!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:59, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
The first thing I thought when I saw the trailer was that this game was CoD attempting to piggyback on the whole idea of Metal Gear Solid 4. Then I saw the horse sequences and realized I was actually watching an Uncharted 3 trailer. --[[User:K|K]] 19:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I honestly like the way it's going now. I liked Black Ops better than Modern Warfare because it went to a setting not commonly covered (especially in big-budget titles) and had some more interesting segments than just running through an urban environment shooting dozens of AK-toting terrorists or Russians. I'm interested in seeing how Black Ops II progresses now that they're able to create their own technology (no worries of anachronisms or errors). It's a refreshing change of pace from generic World War II and modern day "realistic" shooters. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

@ The Wierd It - Ok mate, fair enough I might have jumped the gun. But on what we know from the intel in Black Ops and the character of Price in the MW franchise, ("promising SAS solider named Jonathan" also referred to as Price in the french Black Ops) - basing it on that knowledge, see why I jumped the gun? However, they brought Woods back for this one, when we were all sure he was dead, what's too say a very young Price won't be featuring in this game? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:I still love COD4, great game, but now I refuse to play anything after it. I did play through MW3's story to see the ending, and the MW series' ''story'' is pretty good, but the 2 and 3's gameplay is soooooo bad. In every single mission except one, you start with a reflex sight on your gun in MW3. The other mission you have a pistol. I'm gonna follow this page just to see how bad they can make it. I find it really funny how Halo and Mass Effect have guns (and tech) that are more realistic than MW2/BO/MW3/BO2. Hell, not just more realistic, Halo and ME's weapons ''actually make sense''. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:23, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

It looks like the US got some help from the Combine with those 4 propeller gunships they have. Maybe we might see an AR1 or a Strider? :D [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:12, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

===My two cents on the matter===
Ok... well, first off, I'll admit that I am a fan of CoD. But from the first glance of this trailer, I think that Activision needs it's old management back, and fire the current management along with Robert Kotick.

Seriously Robert? This is what Black Ops II is going to be? A pseudo-futuristic first person shooter with player-driven choices thrown into the mix?

I was expecting that the next Call of Duty was going to be the inevitable Black Ops II (and if not that, then maybe something different for a change like making the game about a war that many people have forgotten about, like World War I or the Korean War, cause World War II and Vietnam get WAY too much attention). but I was expecting it to dive into details about Black Ops operations in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when the United States got involved in conflicts during those years AFTER the Vietnam war (a.k.a., Grenada, Panama, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Gulf War I, Bosnian conflicts, etc.). But really, THIS is the best idea that your workers came up with? Some cyberwar between China and the United States?

Ok, from what I've read, there will be some throwbacks to the 1980s in this game, but adding in player-driven choices which affect the outcome of the game is a bad idea. I play Call of Duty for mindless entertainment and for shooting things, not to play over and over for making different moral decisions every time to get all the endings of the game! If I wanted a first person shooter with that theme, I'd go play Fallout 3. (Speaking of which, do you think we're really that stupid to notice that you guys stole "The Vault" name?)
: A video game uses the word "Vault" to refer to a location. Must have been stolen from Fallout, since they invented....the English language? [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

As for the weapons... you guys do realize that MANY of these weapons are either still on the drawing board, in the prototype stages, canceled (*cough* XM8 *cough*), or being tested in LIMITED numbers, and that we might not be seeing ANY of them in any future war by the year 2025... right?

it isn't even an xm8, i don't know how it could be a wrong choice for a gun if the gun itself isn't actually a real concept of any kind, its just a futuristic-looking gun designed by treyarch, and what would firing bobby kotick actually do it wouldn't change any of the games because he doesn't make any desicions regarding them, he worries about the money side e.g. the budget, the advertisement.
also the creators of fallout didn't actually invent the word vault so i don't really know what the pointless rant was for.--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 02:48, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

In the game it's called an M8A1. It's definitely the XM8. It's Treyarch doing what they do. Being creative with things that shouldn't have creativity added. [[User:DJCDavisDubstep|DJCDavisDubstep]] 16:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

Well... maybe I might give this game a chance when it comes out. But seriously, if this is what all future Call of Duty games are going to follow from this point onward, then I will stick with the older ones instead. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:20, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Hey, thanks to the video game industry, one would think that there may be a chance that the project will get cancelled like many games before it... unfortunately since the Call Of Duty franchise pops out games like a mother rabbit the future seems bleak...
--[[User:Mikethepanda|Mikethepanda]] 01:44, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure the game will still have all the mindless shooter nonsense that makes them millions and spawns dozens of poor imitations, but the addition of branching storylines and sandbox gameplay at least makes things more interesting. The Call of Duty formula stagnated with Modern Warfare 2, as it showed that it was little more than repeating the same basic formula with minor changes that add less new content than the average DLC pack. Black Ops at least tried to break from the mold a bit with the helicopter sequences (a throwback to the old games' vehicle segments) and the protagonist not suddenly losing his voice when you look through his eyes. I'm proud of Treyarch for trying to actually do something different and make an interesting game instead of following Infinity Ward and Activision's lead and just making a clone of Black Ops with some new weapons and tweaking the multiplayer. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

== M16A1? ==

Link to image

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also the futuristic M4: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120502191412/callofduty/images/5/53/20120502-084241.jpg

The 'futuristic' M4 in the link above appears to be based upon the GR4 G26 airsoft rifle manufactured by Guay & Guay. Shown here for comparison: http://www.titano-shopping.com/immagini/Prodotti/Big/GR4_G26_DST

Yes it looks like that... It's not the first time CoD takes from airosft the looks for the guns

I wouldn't be surprised if they just used that futuristic looking gun for the photoshoot for the poster and it doesn't appear at all in the game itself. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:32, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

All those links are broken. Also I saw the recent trailer and the sillohuotte images of the M16 does look like an A1 from the handguard but the pop up trailer on gametrailers.com called it a classic M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:51, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

:Classic? It was an M4 before there were any M4s. That's a hipster M4 if there ever was one... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:43, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

Speaking of the M16A1, why are we given the A1 in the game. The story mission where the weapon was recommended took place in 1989 in Panama. The standard mag looks like a 20 rounder and it was called the A1. By the 80s, the US Army had already started using 30 round mags and replaced the A1 with the A2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:33, 14 November 2012 (EST)

I'm surprised they didn't bring back the CAR-15 or whatever that was in the first game [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:39, 15 November 2012 (EST)

== Rename ==

Shouldn't the page be renamed to "Call of Duty: Black Ops II". With the Roman numerals, because that's what all official material lists it as. - [[User:1morey]] May 5, 2012 8:59 AM (EST)

:Naw, since that would put it out of order when they inevitably make Black Ops 3. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:08, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

::A note could be made in the first paragraph though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:36, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

::Or the page could simply be named correctly. Who care if the games aren't listed in order of release. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 14:17, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

== AK variant during horse scene ==

Recently revealed production images of Black Ops 2 not only show how seriously Treyarch is taking the precise animation of horses but also that the AK variants they are carrying are actually mo-capped TOYS:
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/05/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-II-Horse-Motion-Capture-2.jpg

:Ha, that's the most obvious airsoft horse I've ever seen. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:40, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

== Bulldog Assault Rifle ==

Trailer from BO2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr0Z3RsOmlo

looks like the assault rifle from distric 9 use by the bad guys

:Looks like a futuristic QB rifle variant to me.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 06:34, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

::The name "Type 25" has been mentioned. Could that be it?

:::Most likely is. In fact, it almost definitely is, but we can't actually confirm that until the game comes out. Also, remember to sign your posts. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 05:46, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

== Preview ==

A preview mentions the Type 95 and Keltec KSG by name. Will wait for screens.
http://www.nowgamer.com/xbox-360/xbox-360-previews/1388343/black_ops_2_campaign_eyeson_with_two_levels_protect_potus_singapore.html

Well hopefully it's the real Type 95 and not the Type 97 misnamed [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:20, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

== Black Ops 2 Behind the Scenes E3 trailer ==

The new Behind the Scenes BO2 trailer released at E3 shows a couple of guns, most notably a sniper rifle at 3:18
Link to trailer: http://youtu(dot)be/GElKpJLvKLc
:2:08, what looks like a Galil SAR, 2:41, possible MM1 grenade launcher [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 05:37, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

In another behind the scenes trailer, there's a KRISS Vector.--[[User:Mikethepanda|Mikethepanda]] 15:03, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

== There's a reason the Vector is called a K10 ==

Apparently, at SHOT Show 2011, a newer, improved, slightly more compact variant of the Vector with a telescoping stock was revealed, called the K10.
Here's the source:
:http://www.defensereview.com/kriss-k10-super-v-vector-xsmg-submachine-gun-smg-product-improvedupgraded-multi-caliber-subgun-for-special-operations-forces-sof-and-close-quarters-battle-cqb-applications-shot-show-2011-phot/

It does look slightly different from the Vector, though:
:http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_1.jpg
:http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_2.jpg
--[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 9:45, 6 July 2012 (PST)

== LAPD Shotgun ==

I don't really think that we can call the fact that the LAPD officers are using the KSG incorrect, since the game takes place in the future. Apparently in the time the game takes place, we will have flying, fighting robots, so it's not too hard to imagine that the LAPD could have switched shotguns. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 11:02, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 9:48, 6 July 2012 (PST)

::Well after talking to some cops, it really depends on the department to say what an officer can have in his car. A lot can get their own personal shotguns in their car after qualifying with it. Not sure about a KSG, but it's possible if approved [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:22, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Yeah, it would probably be even more likely to be in use since the game takes place in the future. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 4:25, 10 July 2012 (PST)

== The Unknown Shotgun ==

The unknown shotgun is actually the Storm PSR (the ridiculous X-Ray Railgun thing), if you look closely at Harper's vest the white dot is from the scope, and it's also been stated by Treyarch that the Storm PSR has three barrels.... --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 21:20, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

== Gameplay footage ==

Well folks, here's a video from E3 showcasing the extended gameplay of Black Ops 2, and what might be expected in the game when it's released: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTtsn2Srm3E] --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

== AN-94 in segment taking place in the 80's? ==

It seems to me that part of the trailer the AN-94 appears in takes place in one of the 80's segments of the game. I shouldn't be surprised, but seriously, this seems like an even bigger anachronism than usual, even though it's not. Anyone else thinking the same? --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 2:57, 10 July 2012 (PST)

:You never know just because it was seen in the desert doesn't mean its in the 80's segment of the game.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]

::That's not what I meant, I just meant if it was part of the main 2025 story line of the game, there probably would have been '''some''' kind of future technology. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 3:14, 10 July 2012 (PST)

Oh yeah, it'll be anachronistic, no doubts there. This is Treyarch, after all. Do you think you'll be seeing anything (non-explosive) from the 20th Century in the future setting? I don't.--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 18:28, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:Yeah, I have no doubt there'll be TONS of anachronisms in the 80's parts. I think the QBZ-97 was in the future part, so that's one thing from the 20th century in the future setting. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 4:41, 10 July 2012 (PST)

::I did not see it, are you talking about the fictional Type 25, or did i miss it?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 18:46, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Go on the page, there'll be a QBZ-97, and then it'll say "Type 25" somewhere else on the page. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 5:24, 10 July 2012 (PST)

==SCAR-L :)==

http://k31.kn3.net/D8EA00866.png

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QP3_8y8uzk

:I'm afraid the picture link doesn't work, but the rifle that appears 1:45 is most definitely a SCAR-H. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 13:05, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

== IMFDB's Fault ==

Does anyone think that the fact that this game takes place in the future is partly our (IMFDB's users) fault. I bet someone working for Treyarch saw the IMFDB page for Black Ops and how the anachronistic guns are criticized, and thought, "We're anachronistic, are we? Well let's see about being anachronistic when the game takes place over a decade in the future!" --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 12:46, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

That's.... something to think about for awhile and if they did then either 3arc will be more accurate with the guns or make the guns worst than the first time.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 12:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I don't know why it's such a big deal to everyone, just treat the "game" as a "game" and play it; there are too many over-opinionated comments with the words I DON'T LIKE IT, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE IT LIKE I WANTED IT!!! WAAAAHHH
--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 16:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

To be fair you do know where you are right? [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 17:12, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Nah, I highly doubt that anyone at Treyarch or Activision has taken the time to read up about their videogames being featured on this site, and the legit or unnecessary complaints people have made about their past games. IMFDB has been a growing name in the film industry for a while now and this site is often browsed and looked into by those who have made or acted in the films featured on here and many of the administrators (the ones who work in the industry) can vouch for that. But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

You do realize that I meant this as a joke, right? --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:07, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

"But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that."

I see where you're getting at, but I want to make a point. I was hoping for a bunch of weapons to be in CoJ 3. And more than a handful of them were in the game (or a variant of the weapon). Just to make this clear, I am an admin for the CoJ Wiki, and we have connections to Techland. And I had posted links to the IMFDB CoJ pages on the fan page for CoJ on Facebook (Which Techland frequents).
I was hoping for a Skorpion, Benelli M4, SW Model 29, FN FAL, M72 LAW, and FN Five-seveN. They were in the game.
I was hoping for a Uzi (Instead, a Mini Uzi), A Sig-Sauer (Instead a SIG Mosquito), Remington 700 ( Instead a Remington M24), MP5 variant (The game had a MP5A2), AR-15 variant (The game had a HK416), Mossberg 500 variant (The game had a Mossberg 500A Field Gun). Now I'm not saying Techland read the page and said "Ph hey, this 1morey guy wants to see these weapons, let's answer his request." That's not what I am saying at all, but I wouldn't doubt they read the page, and used the list as "inspiration". Another user had wanted a Steyr AUG A3. That was a cut weapon.

Anyways, back on topic. I don't doubt some video game companies use this site as inspiration, but if I had to pick one, I would say Infinity Ward, EA, and Treyarch probably don't look at this site at all, I think they just watch a bunch of movies, or see what other games have. - [[User:1morey]] August 7, 2012 3:10 PM (EST)
I mean if this isn't a coincidence, I don't know what is.

== Multiplayer Reveal Trailer ==

The new trailer for the multiplayer of BO2 just went up, showing a plethora of new weapons: -killerkirill, 19:13 GMT, 07/08/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrOpWYsp3L8&feature=g-u-u

:Well, the good thing at least is that the main page will be considerably shorter and easier to maintain. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 14:28, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Taurus Raging Bull/Dan Wesson???, barrett/steyr sniper?/ Mechem NTW?, SRM Arms Model 1212/1216?, Remington MSR? and lots, lots more. :~P --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 17:04, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

This game is going to be worse than Crysis for people coming up with contrived "hybrid" explanations for the guns. That shotgun does look pretty close to a SRM Arms Model 1216 though, even looks like the player is correctly rotating the magazine very 4 shots, never thought I would see that in a game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:25, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

i have played it safe and included the dsr-50 sniper rifle in the page, source= http://mp1st.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-07-at-1.58.00-PM-600x331.png

yellow sniper looks like the Remington MSR, an Ashbury ASW338LM, or an FN SCAR - SSR Mk.20 Mod.0 / Sniper Support Rifle with modifications including bolt action.

--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 23:30, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Looking through screenshots in this article: [url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/362018/39-black-ops-2-multiplayer-screens-from-the-trailer/?page=1#top_banner] 
-LSAT LMG 
-AN-94 
-QCW-05 known as "Chicom QCB" 
-Kriss K-10 
-H&K XM8 is known as the "M8A1", this is very clearly seen in screencap 17. 
-"Ballista" bolt-action sniper in screencap 18- has an extremely similar first-person appearance to BF3's [[MKEK JNG-90]] 
-FN Mk.48 
-"PDW-5.7" in screencap 12, quite likely a [[P90]] variant, it looks like one, 50 round mag, plus the P90 is a PDW in 5.7 mm. Seen in pic 32 in 3rd person. 
-[[SRM Arms 1200 Series Shotguns|M1216 Shotgun]] 
-Taurus Raging Bull in screencap 12- distinctive sights and red backstrap. 
-Unknown in screencap 20 
-Screencap 25 is possibly also the "Ballista"? Looks similar but too small. 
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 13:13, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

It's the FN Ballista, a new-ish rifle designed to compete with the MSR--[[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 13:37, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

:Using steel torsion bar action and firing a 7.62mm log? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:51, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

::Thanks Recon42, I hadn't heard of the FN Ballista before. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 16:15, 8 August 2012 (CDT)
::: For future reference: [http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF076&gid=FNG005 FNH USA's page on the Ballista].[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:36, 9 August 2012 (CDT)
::: [[:File:FNBallista.jpg|Image uploaded and ready for use.]] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:43, 9 August 2012 (CDT)
This made me remember an interesting thing. I read Treyarch has said there will be no 1980's weapons in multiplayer, but yet the AN-94 is there. Is the information wrong or will the AN-94 not feature in the 80's?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 11:49, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

So, Treyarch is copying BF3 and letting you use iron sights on the sniper rifles, maybe that means they can actually be used to kill people in this one, since long ranged scope rifles were never very practical in the tiny maps of the COD series. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 14:40, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

even though call of duty: world at war had unscoped sniper rifles and also, Battlefield copied call of duty with ELITE/PREMIUM service and Spec-Ops mode yet this doesn't help anyone. :~P --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 15:18, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

I'm not saying that BF doesn't copy COD, it does, I know that and everybody else knows that. I wasn't saying , "BF is better than COD, because BF is original." The only points I was trying to make was that due to the popularity of non-scoped sniper rifles in BF3, 3arc decided to add this feature and that sniper rifle were not useful in COD multiplayer. WAW didn't really have unscoped sniper rifles, they were infantry rifles that you could mount a scope on, it's the equivalent of putting a sniper scope on an assault rifle in a game that takes place in modern times. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:09, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

== Raging Judge model ==

I think the Raging Judge that they are basing their model on based on is this one:
[[File:Taurus Raging Judge XXVII.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Taurus Raging Judge - 28 gauge]]
This is chambered in 28 gauge shotshells (which is 13.97mm or .550in for those wondering) and was unveiled in 2011 but was blocked (for valid reasons in my opinion) by the BATFE so it never entered production. Despite this, the fact that the gun in the game has a five round unfluted cylinder as opposed to the 6 round fluted cylinder on the .454 production model indicates that this was their source material. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:42, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
:So, um...Were they trying to beat the Maadi-Griffin in the stupid handgun cartridge arms race? I'm calling it, someone's going to have made a handgun that fires 20mm Hispano by 2020. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
::"A Taurus Raging Judge, identifiable by the red stripe along the handle..." Doesn't the [[Taurus Raging Bull]] have the same stripe on the grips? Is there anything else to prove that this is a Raging Judge and not a Raging Bull? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:08, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
:::It does also say "Raging Judge" in the bottom right corner of the HUD. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:21, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
::::Well, that would do it then. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

== Weapons once the game is released ==

Once the game is released, and after a few days, the page is mostly completed, should we mention for the weapons which ones are based on the actual weapons, and which ones are just "futuristic" versions of the weapon. Anyone get what I'm saying.

Like the Chicom QCB, is that really a QCW-05, or is that a futuristic gun modeled after the QCW-05? I figure the TDI Kard is a TDI Kard, because it does't really need mocked up that much, since the real-life weapon looks futuristic already. - [[User:1morey]] August 14, 2012 12:03 PM (EST)

== Weapon selection video ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fuba3mPotE

DSR-50 | SVU | Ballista

fictional M1216 | Saiga 12 | Remington M870 RCS

LSAT | QBB-95 | Mk48

Skorpion EVO A3

KARD | FNP-45 Tactical | Taurus | futurised M93R

M8A1 | SMR (futurised AUGA3?) | futurised Type 95 | SA58 | SIG556 | SCAR-H | AN-94

Milkor MGL | futurised Stinger | handheld GAU-19/A

A-10 | Commanche [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 04:53, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

== B23-R Nomenclature ==

Could B23-R stand for " Beretta 2023 Raffica"? It's very similar to other Beretta pistols, so I guess that's a reasonable guess [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:42, 15 August 2012 (CDT)
:I don't think so, as to me I think it is a 1911 based pistol. The shaoe of the rear of the slide, the hammer and the trigger look very 1911-ish to me. Also, I just want to point out that the comment about the two ejection ports makes absolutely no sense. First off, I don't think it is a second ejection port, but is simply where the top of the slide has been removed showing the exposed barrel (think the Beretta 92 but with a bridge in front of the ejection area). Secondly, how would having an ejection port in front of another make it possible to eject the cartridges out the other side? The slide would have to travel back further to line the chamber up with this second ejection port for one thing which I can't see being possible. The layout of this gun is pretty standard so I don't think it will be doing anything crazy, and regardless this feature would have absolutely no utility or point in a game.

== M249 SAW and MK48 are the same ==

Look at the gas regulator plug of the so called M249 SAW. It is clearly from an Mk 48. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:17, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

== Can we PLEASE change it? ==

Could we please get rid of the two ejection ports bullshit from the B23-R section of the page? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 17:45, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

:If you want to change it, then change it. I doubt anyone is going to argue with you. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:59, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

::Hm, looks like someone already did. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 18:37, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

== AN-94 ==
I like the comment under the pic of the AN-94 reloading that says it has 5.56 rounds in the mag, so it could be a fictional export version. It could be, OR more reasonably, the developers decided to ignore the calibers and modeled the same cartridges in all of the assault rifles' magazines. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 12:51, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
:It's the later. And even if it happens to be the former, I doubt they would care enough to give an explanation ingame. But they stopped caring about these 'tiny details' a long time ago.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 13:52, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
::Yeah, it seems they are so many overspeculations on this page, like the how it says the B-23 is possibly a Beretta. Why, because it has the letter B, it doesn't really look like any Beretta design. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 14:43, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
:::To be honest, in my opinion the 'B23R' doesn't actually resemble, outside of it's name, any real specific pistol. It's just a chimera of different futuristic parts that fulfills the same gameplay niche as the Beretta 93R from the previous titles.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 15:00, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
::::Sorry about that comment, I noticed the rounds were 5x56MM NATO. The part about it being an export version was unnecessary for me to write, it's much more reasonable that it's just lack of detail by the developers.
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:54, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

== Beta leak ==

I know it can't be used on the main page, but for those who are planning on playing the game and are curious about the weapons, 7 new ones were found in the leaked beta build, [http://videobam.com/RHFxv here's a video of them.] --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] ([[User talk:Ghostdigga|talk]]) 21:20, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Ahh, the return of select-fire. Missed it from the original COD and the United Offensive expansion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 07:52, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Text confirms that the Taurus does actually fire the 28 gauge shotgun shells it is meant to. This surprises me, I assumed they just based the model on the wrong image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:38, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

m27 iar, scar type lmg, and i would say the rpg was airtronic due to this pic:
look at the solider on the left

http://cdn.medialib.oxm.co.uk/screens/screenshot_30711.jpg
--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] ([[User talk:Pistolpete|talk]]) 09:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

::Five-seveN, MTAR, M27 and FN HAMR spotted. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 09:17, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/120918a.jpg

== H&K m27 ==

On the cod wikia i found the m27 i know the hk416 m27 variant so i identified it as the actual m27 no real modification to make it look futuristic their calling it an assault rifle (facepalm) there's a picture on there I don't know to upload pictures on here though.--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:Eh, if they're using an M27 with a 30-rounder and calling it an AR I wouldn't really call that wrong per se, since the M27 is only a SAW because the USMC is issuing it as one (much like the QJY-88 is issued as a GPMG even though it's actually an LMG). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, I agree, and most Marines that were issued it are using it as an AR, apparently, because it essentially is. Also, person above Evil Tim, please sign your name by pressing the signature button at the top or putting four of this: ~ after your name. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::: Yeah sorry i need to remember that i know how to do just forgot but i also facepalmed but its not a 30 round capacity i found that out it appears to be but its going to have a 50 round capacity granted there are 50 round AR mags but still combined with extended clip and all that other COD BS it might as well be an LMG. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::: New footage of the m27 in the zombies gameplay trailer on top on a bus also new footage of the m1216 and the pdw 57 and what appear to be the tar 21 or QBZ-97 in the video --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 20:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:The M27 is not an assault rifle. It is a Squad Automatic Weapon, which can be considered as a sub-category of the machine gun group. Magazine size has nothing to do with its classification. The Minimi or RPK will not be "denoted" to an assault rifle is you use it with a 30-round STANAG/AK magazine. The M27 is the same as the FN HAMR - which is listed as a MG.... [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 05:29, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::The thing is SAW is a weapon role, not a weapon type; if you issued the M1911 to squad support gunners it would be a SAW (it would just be a terrible one). There is no mechanical reason to ''not'' call the M27 an assault rifle, just as there's no mechanical reason to not call the QJY-88 a light machine gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:56, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You could argue that the M27 is optimised for the SAW role by supposedly having a heavier weight barrel, but as the weight increase is only something like 40g I think this is actually a myth. I believe the only physical difference between an HK416 D16.5RS and the M27 IAR are the handguard being 11" long rather than 9" which means that the bayonet lug is also a separate piece placed further forward on the barrel rather than the HK 416 which mounts the lug on the gas block, the bolt carrier has a captive firing pin retaining pin, the fire selector is ambidexterous and the bolt handle is ambidextrous (not double sided but can be switch sides at an armourer level). None of these modifications are what I would deem to be SAW modifications, with the possible exception of the longer handguard allowing a separate vertical grip and bipod to be used more easily, so i you were classifying the weapon on its characteristics rather than role I would put it as an AR. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:28, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah.... also it looks like it has a combined bayonet lug / gas block and some sort of step in the barrel, so I would say that it is not even a real M27 but a HK416. Now *that* should definitely go to the rifles. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:07, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::Are there any images out yet of it apart from the gear screen image on the COD Wiki? From that image it also looks like it has the shorter 9" handguard used on the standard HK416 rifles. Barrel is throwing me a bit as it looks like it might have the M4 profile barrel that is on the 14.5" rifles, but in terms of length it looks like it is a 16.5" barrel which should be straight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:20, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

What seems odd to me is how a heavy assault rifle/light machine gun has higher mobility than others in it's class [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] ([[User talk:Gonzaga|talk]]) 19:34, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

I found this odd too, the M27 IAR would be heavier and hence more stable in automatic fire than the other ARs, not lighter/better mobility. The barrel is somewhat confusing, it looks to be shaped after a stepped AR-15 carbine barrel but too long.
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:50, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

== FN HAMR ==

Along the same lines as the M27, I think the "FN HAMR" is actually just a regular SCAR that they are mis-naming. The main difference between the regular SCAR and the HAMR is the fact that the lower handguard on the HAMR is deeper to accommodate the gubbins that switches the gun from closed bolt to open bolt when the barrel gets hot. The game gun has the same lower handguard as on a regular scar, with the bottom of the rail being at the same height as the bottom of the front push pin. Also the flash hider is not the one used on the HAMR, but is instead the one from a SCAR-H. If it is the case that this a regular SCAR, do we put it in the AR category because that is what it is? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:56, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yes, and now that you mention it also has the SCAR-like vent holes.I am gonna change it to SCAR-L and the M27 to HK416 too. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:57, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

==Pointless weapon stats==
Has anyone noticed how pointless the stats are in the COD series? Seriously these stats are so generic and so open ended to interpretation that I find it hard to compare one gun to the other. In fact I have seen two guns on the roster here alone, one of which has better stats in terms of "blocks" than the other so why would I bother using the other weapon? On top of that they dont seem to match weapon caliber to damage. Ex a MP5 should be the same damage as a Glock 17 but they arent because the Glock is a pistol and the MP5 is a SMG (I know these arent in this game just bare with me). That and why is it that from a distance (straying off topic I know) shotgun pellets seem to disintegrate completely? I love these games but Furry they need better gun designers to look into this--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 18:44, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

The weapon stats have an alarming tendency of being BLATANT LIES. Denkirson runs a xanga page with weapon stats from all the COD games since the first Modern Warfare, and noted how the stat bars in that game were occasionally inaccurate/vague (G36 being more accurate than the M4. The G36 simply has less sight sway, and is not necessarily more accurate) or outright lying (G36 being more powerful than the M4. This is untrue. Both guns have the same 30max-20min damage values.) --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 20:10, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

@HashiriyaR32, not only that, but I also hated how for some reason for example in COD4 how the M9 has less damage than the MP5, while they are both chambered in the same cartridge! I feel that videogames should use the caliber of the weapon to help define stats. For example the damage and range would be the same across all weapon types (because of the cartridge) but should defer in magazine size, recoil, accuracy, and reload speed. Its reasons like this why handguns are so underused in multiplayer--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 15:26, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:While "damage" can never be perfectly done in games, [[Battlefield 3]]'s weapon damages are all based of calibre. It's still a game and not a simulator, but it's one of the best out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:31, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:@Alex T Snow, yeah, forgot about that, honestly havent played BF3 in a while but as memory serves it is more "realistic" with its weapons.--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 16:09, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

::Just FYI, an M9 should cause less "damage" than an MP5. An MP5 has a longer barrel meaning that it generates a higher muzzle velocity and hence muzzle energy (which is the simplest analogue to damage). Some stats in these games make no sense, like weapons with the same barrel length and caliber having different damages, but in this particular case they got it broadly correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:40, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Just found a clear example of how the weapon stats are pointless. Under the sniper rifles the two in question are the DSR 50 and the XPR 50. It clearly shows that the DSR 50 has better stats in all categories compared to the XPR 50, so the question is if there is a weapon that clearly has better stats then why should I bother using the other weapon (FYI I am a COD veteran and know that sometimes these stats have to be tested out). Anyone have any opinions regarding this example? --[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 15:17, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:That one's easy, the DSR-50 is a bolt action whereas the XPR-50 is semi-auto. I would also guess that the XPR-50 might have a large magazine based on how the weapon image looks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:32, 5 November 2012 (EST)

: @Commando552, thanks for the info, I guess that does answer a little, but don't you think that they should have placed the ammunition capacity? Or at least make the distinctions more apparent? I mean J.C! I literally was using my pen on the screen trying to count each of the different squares.--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 16:37, 5 November 2012 (EST)

If you see any references to rates of fire or kill ranges, just be aware that I'm getting them from this image. It's based on the day-1 patch. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6712/bo2weaponchartv102.png --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 20:32, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:I'm fairly sure those are the multiplayer stats, since the SMR is still fullauto even if you don't choose select fire in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:31, 19 November 2012 (EST)

They are. The full-auto fire mode is the default for the SMR, FAL OSW, JS Type 05, SG556, and XM8 in single-player mode. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 10:09, 19 November 2012 (EST)

==Unknown Assault Rifle==
I was watching the launch trailer for the game and I caught this gun. Not sure what it is, so any help will be hot [[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]]
[[File:Call_Of_Duty_Black_Ops_2_Unknown_Rifle.jpg|none|500px]]

:That is a Saiga 12 shotgun (according to the game). - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 17:32, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

:Looks like an AK-12 to me http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Ak-12.jpg --[[User:Doom-generation|Doom-generation]] ([[User talk:Doom-generation|talk]]) 20:43, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

::And while it is indeed a super tactical, commando grade, hand made for the operators by the dwarves of Moria, it is just a Saiga with aftermarket HK style back sights and rails slapped on like there's no tomorrow. But that's hardly the most worrisome thing by now.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 02:30, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

::: Well, honestly, I think it would be dumber to have an elite operator using a plain weapon than a modified one like that. Especially since in this game you actually get to use side rails (with Laser Sights, though I think that's it), the 4-sides rails system doesn't seem exaggerated like in the past ones. [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] ([[User talk:Gonzaga|talk]]) 21:09, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

::::Certainly so, although I am baffled by the decision as to why decided to make it look so 'westernized' (HK sight, rails more typical for aftermarket then modern military use... etc.) if it's a (I assume) firearm of the opposing force. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 08:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::::Well Russian special forces (and police) have been known to put American aftermarket parts (Magpul stocks, EOTechs, stuff like that) on their weapons, but I don't think they'd go extreme with it though. Example: [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/0_848ce_a_11e_10bb_orig-tfb.jpeg M4 style stock] --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] ([[User talk:Ghostdigga|talk]]) 17:51, 5 November 2012 (EST)

== Live action trailer just released ==

So... now there's a live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and it looks pretty impressive. It's got quite a few celebrities in it as well as a few YouTube personalities, along with some of the modern and futuristic weapons that will be seen in the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wIZp_E2CxQ

: Surprised FPS Russia didn't say 'Have nice day.'-Survivalkid21

==SPOILERS: Full walkthrough leaked==

As usual, Game Anyone has leaked a full walkthrough of the game. You can at least make a note of the weapons for later. Already seen a [[Hawk MM1 grenade launcher]], a full size [[MP5]], and the [[FAL]] is back and has a select fire option. http://www.gameanyone.com/video/505480 [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 18:36, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:Rifles Fal | Galil | M16A1 | "AK47" (AKM?)

:SMGs MP5A3 | AK74U | Uzi

:Shotties Olympia over and under | SPAS 12

:LMGs RPD | M60 | Minigun (same one as Vorkuta)

:Snipers M82A1 | SVD Dragunov

:Pistols 1911 | Makarov PM | Browning HP

:Launchers RPG7 | Stinger | MM1

I believe there is no Type 97 and only the fictional Type 25 in the game.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 18:11, 7 November 2012 (EST)
** There's two different kinds of miniguns: there's the handheld minigun from the first Black Ops, and a new "Death Machine" that looks to be a futuristic one. The LSAT machine gun also has a digital ammo counter like the ''Aliens'' pulse rifle. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 18:36, 7 November 2012 (EST)

==No optics==

It's kinda straight that in the future, none of the characters around you carry their guns with any sort of attachments on their weapons. No optics, grips or anything. The flashback scenes in the 80s make sense because electronics were not big at the time. It was more strange still for us to be carrying a gun with a red dot sight [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2012 (EST)
:It's especially odd, considering all the weight and bulk of RIS, to put nothing on it at all. Hmm. Well this is CoD, after all. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 13:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)
Not always true. A lot of the other series have optics on certain of your buddies. Other points where we have the odd no optics are pick up weapons off some enemies. It's kinda weird that some of the mercs and the Chinese who uses more advanced weapons have no optics on their guns. When you play a different SEAL in the Strike missions, some times you start off with a gun that has no optic on it. This is the future, optics are the way of the future, especially for Spec Ops guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:30, 14 November 2012 (EST)

==Realism==

[[File:Blop2-Stinger-3.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]I know this is just a game that should be played for fun but... Come on, here we can see that the player just destroyed a tank with a FIM92 Stinger while riding a horse and he has 19 more Stingers on him. I'd like to see him with 19 launchers on his back. I think it beats any other nonsense in a game that has real firearms--[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 15:29, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:Of all the things that is kinda weird and stupid in this game, you pointed this out? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:25, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Actually, it's very realistic. Didn't you know that every real-life Black Ops operator has a small army of invisible midgets that carry all their extra ammo? --[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 17:14, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Eh, certain kit configurations in MGS4 can result in Snake carrying three or more tons of rocket launchers. Naw, the one that really annoyed me was "fast mag" but "extended clip." Why did they have to get it right ''and'' wrong in the same game? The invisible long barrels and foregrips and unchanged high-cap magazines kinda irritated me, too. Still, nice to see they're finally trying to put the fire selectors in the right positions and have magazines with actual ammo in them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:14, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:Thinking about it, the most likely answer (especially in light of the awesomely silly commie land battleship at the end) is that it was originally intended as a future level with a futuristic multi-mode rocket launcher, but either they thought the horse was silly in the future or there weren't enough past levels, so it ended up being a magic dual-mode Stinger. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:38, 17 November 2012 (EST)

==AN94 missing magazines==

At the beginning of Achilles' Veil, when you walk slowly with Menendez, if you look around at all the AN94s, most of them don't have magazines attached. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:51, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:They may be acting in a ceremonial capacity, and are carrying their weapons unloaded. Only Menendez (and possibly the few soldiers outside with him) expected the American assault, and would have been prepared to fire on the VTOLs and Yemeni troops. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 03:17, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::Naw, I've got shots of them actually aiming the things at the VTOL when it arrives, have to check again to see if any of the empty ones fire but I think they do. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:32, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::Yeah, I thought for a second about the ceremonial angle, but when Menendez shoots down a VTOL, most of the soldiers around him were missing mags in their rifles [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 12:23, 16 November 2012 (EST)
::: Considering the scale of the apparent error, then, it may be intentional. It would be hard for something like models with missing magazines to make it past testing. I'm willing to bet ceremonial, since I've seen many times where soldiers acting as ceremonial guards will carry their rifles unloaded and with no magazine. The function that's occurring would make sense for this action. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 03:26, 17 November 2012 (EST)
::::Yeah, but again, they ''aim'' rifles with no magazines at things, though I'm going back through now to get more screencaps and check if they actually fire them without magazines. It might just be a spawning bug, and a visual error a good 70% of users won't even notice is going to get flagged as "low priority" even in the likely case that the QA team spotted it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:39, 17 November 2012 (EST)
:::::Yeah, I noticed this during my playthrough. I was using an AN-94 on this level, and in first person my gun had no magazine. It reappeared during my reload, and disappeared afterwards. I was going to grab a screenshot and uypload it, but it appears I've been beaten to it :P [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 09:05, 20 November 2012 (EST)

== Terminology note ==

"The first game" = World at War, not Black Ops.

"The previous game" should not be used, since it's confusing as to whether that's MW3 or Black Ops. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:48, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:By that standard, "the first game" would mean Call of Duty 1, so I would say just use the full name of the game in question. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] ([[User talk:Animalmenace|talk]])

== STORM PSR Sniper Rifle ==

is it just me or did the makers of call of duty: black ops II put in the em-1 railgun from the movie eraser?
the scope may not see in MRI mode, but it can see in thermal or infrared or whatever they call it in the game, but i enjoyed it immensely. i love the game.
:As I recall this actually ''was'' something Metal Storm Inc were suggesting their technology could do back when they were touting their million RPM rig to everyone who would listen; a superfast burst would potential result in multiple projectiles hitting the same position for very high penetration. Trouble was the superfast Metal Storm guns have issues with minor things like ''not exploding'' because gun barrels really don't like it when you fire a round while the previous one is still inside the barrel. They came up with some complicated venting system to solve that, but realised it basically removed all the advantages Metal Storm was supposed to have (in that it was more complex and meant the weapon had more moving parts than a normal gun) and so went over to stacked-round mortars, GLs and that underbarrel shotgun they have. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:54, 20 November 2012 (EST)

Did anyone else notice that it says either 7.62 SX15 or 7.62 5X15 right below where it says Metalstorm Multishot Rifle? This may be a reference to its caliber, though I have a hard time imagining that 5 7.62mm bullets would penetrate 8 meters of any solid structure. That might just be video game physics, though. [[User:Supercavitation|Supercavitation]] ([[User talk:Supercavitation|talk]]) 19:26, 15 January 2013 (EST)

:Eh, most "solid" structures only really have solid outer walls and loadbearing members, the rest doesn't offer all that much resistance, so it would depend what you were shooting at. I'm fairly sure if you built something like this it might be able to drill through light plate or cause local failure by repeatedly stressing the same place, but since the game doesn't seem to care about materials it can get a little silly.

:Of course you'd be better off just firing one big bullet rather than a lot of little ones since momentum = haet when it comes to penetrating armour. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:26, 18 January 2013 (EST)

==New Screenshots==

I just added a few screenshots for some of the missing weapons (MP5A3, Beretta M682, SPAS-12, M1216, Type 25, M8A1, SIG 556) let me know if there's anything wrong with them and I'll take better ones. I had shots for the HAMR( SCAR-L) and the SCAR-H but they didn't turn out well so I didn't upload them. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 10:33, 20 November 2012 (EST)
:It's ok, I've got about three thousand screenshots and pretty much everything covered, and I think I'm running higher resolution and settings. If you want something to do, though, you could try making the ''World at War'' page...Well, "less awful" would be a start, even. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 12:55, 20 November 2012 (EST)
:::I have recently acquired a physical copy of ''World at War'' so I'll see what I can do about in game screenshots. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 09:04, 25 November 2012 (EST)
::Well, I was running everything on Max but I don't think FRAPS likes Black Ops 2 very much because everything turned out low-res. And I don't own World at War, so I can't really contribute to it's page :P [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 13:32, 20 November 2012 (EST)
:::You shouldn't really need FRAPs, if you're running it through Steam it has its own screenshot key and even if you're not there should be a "take screenshot" command in the control settings. Though as said, I've got this one covered so we don't really need anyone else getting caps for it anyway. Thanks for the effort, though. :) [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:37, 20 November 2012 (EST)
::::I use FRAPS because I can save the images as .PNGs because I take a lot of game screenshots for my blog, and as far as I know Steam only does .JPGs. But Yeah, I'll keep an eye out next time I'm grabbing screenshots so I don't step on any toes. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 11:04, 22 November 2012 (EST)

== Fun with old models ==

So, the Kurzer 8 cm Granatwerfer 42 model is seven years old. For those wondering if this is some kind of record, it's got a long way to go; I believe the record for officially recycled art assets is ''Castlevania'', which got a Medusa Head sprite in ''Rondo of Blood'' in 1993 and recycled it until ''Order of Ecclesia'' in 2008. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)

== Could someone explain this if possible? ==

I don't have the game, so forgive me if i am missing something obvious, but i have noticed several confusing things in the various gameplay videos.

First of all, why does some guns not eject casings? I know guns can eject downwards but no casings are left on the floor. This seems to apply to all Chinese weapons, the MTAR-21, SMR and PDW-57. I know it could be a mistake on the developer's part but it seems so obvious, am i missing anything?

Secondly, regarding the PDW-57, the above could potentially make sense as the casings are left in the magazine even when it has been fired empty. But it seems impractical, and why are they all in the same place no matter how many shots have been fired? Do they move in a circle around the inside of the magazine?

Thirdly, how does Fast Mag work on Shotguns with tube magazines?

Also, can 1980's weapons, when used in the future levels after completing the game, use futuristic attachments?

Finally, why does some videos decipt the KSG reloading one shell at a time and others two shells at a time?

Thanks in advance. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 18:54, 24 November 2012 (EST)

Fast mag for the tube-magged shotguns makes it so that you reload two shells at a time. 1980s weapons cannot use futuristic attachments even in the 2025 missions. They have their own set of attachments.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 19:01, 24 November 2012 (EST)

:The bullpup weapons have the ejection port where it generally isn't even on-screen when the weapon is shouldered, so there's no way you'd see ejected brass. PDW-57 is probably supposed to eject down like the P90. They probably just didn't bother with a brass effect you'd hardly ever see, and it's not like the series is exactly big on getting brass right (see also every revolver reload ever).

:PDW-57 just isn't animated, game P90s almost never are and in general a transparent magazine will just show a fixed number of rounds inside it. While you can cycle rounds back into a magazine after firing (aircraft cannons sometimes do it) it would be impractical in a weapon that wasn't belt fed because you'd have to have the weapon basically eject spent casings back into its own magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:22, 25 November 2012 (EST)

::It is very rare in games to see a P90 cartridge cycle. The one that I am known to is the Rainbow Six Vegas series. More games should have this feature and take away the ammo counter on screen, use visual cues. --[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 17:52, 26 November 2012 (EST)

:::MGS4 does it, too. But the ammo counter is mainly there because your character is supposed to be a soldier, and so he'd have some sense of the weight of his weapon and be more focused on how many rounds he's fired than the player. It's like, say, a minimap is supposed to substitute for your character's knowledge of the area they're in; it's much easier to have the character pass their knowledge to the player rather than expecting the player to BE the character. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:06, 27 November 2012 (EST)

Thanks for the answers, both of you. Very much appreciated. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 15:02, 25 November 2012 (EST)

== Overall thoughts on the game... ==

So I managed to pick up a copy of the game, and I played it several times through, and well... it was pretty impressive to say in the least.

The strong points of the game are pretty much as follows: the pre-mission weapon customization, being able to drive/command vehicles, the developers making an attempt at providing more details on the weapons, players getting the opportunity to use every weapon on any mission (even if it doesn't fit the time period), a pretty damn good musical soundtrack, giving the protagonists and antagonists better personalities and character depth rather than just presenting them as wooden beings who follow orders or one-track objectives, and finally, presenting a story that can end in a different number of ways depending on your choices, was understandable for the most part, and how such a story could possibly one day happen in real life (Cause let's be honest here folks, there are people out there in the world like Raul Menendez who wish to create chaos and anarchy (for whatever purpose suits them), and yet they claim to 'fight for the oppressed', and are viewed and praised as 'heroes', 'revolutionaries' and 'saints' by the people that are often called 'the 99%' in today's fast-changing society of ours... [interesting Occupy Movement reference there, Treyarch]).

Call of Duty: Black Ops II definitely qualifies to be on the list of "Top X best games of 2012", and perhaps the better Call of Duty game that not only ranks up there along with Call of Duty (2003) and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (at least I think so, feel free to disagree), but also the better Call of Duty game that Activision has made in the past 5 years. I hope that the next batch of Call of Duty games are just as good as this one was. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] ([[User talk:ThatoneguyJosh|talk]]) 04:45, 28 November 2012 (EST)

Aside from Menendez's back story and his organization, the story was pretty good. I need the game to explain what the villain is apart of and what they represent [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 14:04, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== Why is the SCAR-H model listed as being too thin? ==

I don't find the in-game model to be thinner than it really should. What are we going by? The top parts of both the SCAR-H and the SCAR-L have the same width due to both of them having the same Picatinny rail on top. [[User:RadicalDisconnect|RadicalDisconnect]] ([[User talk:RadicalDisconnect|talk]]) 02:39, 1 December 2012 (EST)

I looked at it too. I've handled a SCAR-17S and it isn't "bulky" really [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 20:57, 1 December 2012 (EST)

I suggest removing that line, as I don't find the rifle to be too thin at all. I think the illusion came from the fact that the Picatinny rails have more slots in them than in previous games. [[User:RadicalDisconnect|RadicalDisconnect]] ([[User talk:RadicalDisconnect|talk]]) 08:11, 12 December 2012 (EST)

== Reloadings are incorrectly described .... ==

Both the USAF M16 and MP5A3 sections states the magazines are empty/solid when reloading, while after lenthy examination, i have found all weapons to feature bullets in their inserted magazines. It also seems that the previous magazine visibly features bullets when reloading from non-empty and no bullets when reloading from empty. This includes the M16 and MP5. It does however seem like this was overlooked on Fast Mags. Can whoever took the MP5 images specify if he was using Fast Mag in the image thet claims it is solid?

Otherwise this should be pointed out somewhere on the page instead. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 20:18, 6 December 2012 (EST)

:Fast mag on the M16 but I don't think so on the MP5 (edit: checked, it's a fast mag there too), I'll have to go in and check again next time I'm off work (that'll be sunday). Caption for the M16 does specify that the magazines in the screenshot are empty, it doesn't say they always are. Incidentally if you're wondering why there's a lot of shots from "Old Wounds," it's the one where they give you guns the fastest. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)

While it doesn't say it is always empty, it does give that impression. I thought so until i checked myself. Maybe just pointing out somewhere that Fast Mag lacks detail could perhaps be useful. [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 07:55, 7 December 2012 (EST)

:I'll get some extra shots on sunday for it. It's pretty hard with the MP5 because the mag's not actually on screen for very long (same with Far Cry 3 and finding SPAS reloads where there's a cartridge on-screen, it seems) but I have a stupid mouse with one button set to screenshot so I will stupid at the game until it loses. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:43, 7 December 2012 (EST)

== Learned some things ==
Drift0r's BO2 vids have taught me something that we could probably add to the main article.
I mentioned, correctly, that Select Fire alters handling characteristics, and full-auto is usually slower than burst (we already know of one case that isn't true). What I just found out is that a select-fire Vector has identical burst and full-auto ROFs, and its burst mode is a 2-round burst, like the AN-94, and unlike all the other SF-enabled burst modes of other full-auto weapons. Also, I managed to find a more recent version of the BO2 weapon chart, and the mentioning of the SIG 556's damage profile being altered in full-auto mode (via SF) is no longer true. It now has identical max-min damages (40-24) in both burst and full-auto. What is still true is that it still suffers a reduction in its 3 and 4 hit kill ranges.--[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 23:19, 9 December 2012 (EST)

== Protection level ==

This page should not be infinitely protected from editing, it can still be improved. The [[Modern Warfare 3]] page is also still protected. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 09:54, 21 December 2012 (EST)
:You can suggest changes here, both pages are likely to attract stupidity. This page will be finished shortly, I just need to find time to sift through the rest of my screencaps. I know about the 92SB in MW3, I'm going to add it when I get around to getting a screencap, should all be done over the weekend. That aside MW3 is complete and 99% of edits to it will be either adding worthless or incorrect information. Please don't dictate what our protection policy should be, it ''is'' policy to fully protect high-traffic pages. ''Rambo III'' has been sysop protected for the last three and a half years. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2012 (EST)
::Okay, the M16A4 should be added, as it is seen during a cutscene in which Woods strangles a Viet Cong soldier with the rifle, yet it is not obtainable during gameplay. The SMR also turned out to be a true Saritch 308 (or at least with a slightly modified appearance like the XM8, but not just a fictional weapon based on it), due to this evidence given in the Call of Duty Wiki: - "In Zombies, Marlton comments on how the SMR uses .308 rounds, just like the Saritch 308 - On ELiTE, [...] the default file name was 'Saritch' - SMR possibly stands for 'Saritch Modular Rifle' or 'Saritch Marksman Rifle'". Also, the KAP-40 is described in the IMFDB page as "a fully automatic handgun based on the TDI Kard", yet I don't find any major difference between them (unless the full-auto fire mode is incorrect); its mechanism and caliber (.45 ACP) are also the same as the real TDI Kard, so I believe that it is indeed a TDI Kard. --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 03:35, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::::Would the "40" in "KAP-40" not imply somewhat that the pistol is chambered in a .40-calibre round, such as .40 S&W? I know it's a trivial thing, but that's the first thing that came to my mind upon hearing the name. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 07:31, 22 December 2012 (EST)
:::::No, because the left hand side of the KAP-40 says ".45 ACP" --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 10:29, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::::::Ah, right--upon examining the gun more closely, I can see where it says that. Seems as though "KAP-45" would have been a more appropriate name given the circumstances. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 11:04, 22 December 2012 (EST)
:::I'll check for the M16 tomorrow, the SMR isn't really all that similar to the Saritch (it's about the same shape, but it looks like it's been built out of features of other guns like the B23R; it's about as close as the Type 25 is to any of the QB rifles) and the KAP is obviously based on the Kard but has, among other things, completely different join lines, a differently shaped grip, a TDI Vector fire selector (since the real one has no full-auto functionality) and a stupidly out-of-reach Vector bolt release. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:47, 22 December 2012 (EST)
::::That's right, the SMR seems to contain parts of the Vulkan M2T Ukrainian experimental assault rifle. It should also be mentioned that the 3-round burst and fully-automatic fire are incorrect for the SG 556, since the real one only comes in semi-auto. For the M16A4, it is seen in Woods' flashback in the mission "Pyrrhic Victory". And an extra note: the Barrett M107 section should contain a sentence like "While the M82A1 would fit in the game's setting (having been developed in 1982), the M107 is highly anachronistic, since it ..." (because it is referred to as Barrett M82A1 in-game) --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 06:55, 22 December 2012 (EST)
:::::I think the actual error there is that Barrett have started marketing the M107 as the M82A1 (per our own page on the Barrett rifles), so the problem is they put the wrong M82A1 in the game. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:33, 23 December 2012 (EST)
::::::The "FAL OSW" doesn't seem to me to be based on the Para Tactical Carbine. The front of the weapon and rail systems are obviously that of the SA58 OSW variant (yet the barrel's length portrayed in-game doesn't match any of these two variants, as seen in their images in the main [[FN FAL]] page). Also, isn't it incorrect for the "Olympia" to be able to eject the spent shells when reloaded instead of dumping them out manually? By the way in the SCAR-H section why is the "Extended Clip" mentioned to be incorrectly named? Because the calibers for the 20-round and 30-round mags are different? Extra note: this image of the Storm PSR's third person view should be add to the main page: [[File:Storm PSR Menu Icon BOII.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] --[[User:Ultimate94ninja|Ultimate94ninja]] ([[User talk:Ultimate94ninja|talk]]) 14:48, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:::::::No, it's incorrectly named because it's a "magazine," not a "clip." Ask anyone here who's serious and they'll tell you that. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] ([[User talk:Dirty Harold|talk]]) 16:55, 25 December 2012 (EST)
:::::::The rail handguard is an optional extra for SA58 rifles, but judging by the length of the rail the rifle in the game is actually an SA58 Para Elite Compact, I'll see if I can get an image of that variant. I have all the menu pictures for the weapons, so I'll be adding that for each weapon shortly. The manual for the Model 682 says it has an automatic ejector / extractor which will eject spent shells, so I'm fairly sure that's right.
:::::::A clip is a bent piece of metal that has no mechanical components, a magazine has a mechnical follower or drive member. Think of it as the difference between a paperclip and a lever arch file. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:44, 26 December 2012 (EST)

Again, why is the SCAR-H being listed as too thin? I've handled a SCAR-17S before, and it's upper and lower receivers are really not that wide or bulky. The in-game model may seem a little thin compared to, say, MW2's SCAR-H because the picatinny rail on top has more notches. Besides, the top part of the SCAR-L and the SCAR-H is the same width because they both have the picatinny rail on top. [[User:RadicalDisconnect|RadicalDisconnect]] ([[User talk:RadicalDisconnect|talk]]) 17:13, 27 December 2012 (EST)
:It's not, I removed that the other day. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:14, 28 December 2012 (EST)

== Basis of in-game Saiga? ==

Guys, I think I may have found the the Saiga Treyarch based in the in-game model off of:
[http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=25&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3 Link to page on Red Jacket website]
(I don't know how to "safely" place a link onto IMFDB from an iPad, which is currently my only form of Internet access, so it would be much appreciated if someone could tell me how so I could up date it later). If anyone asks why I was on the website of the atrocious Red Jacket Firearms, I was Googling "AK Shotguns" to see if there were anymore I didn't know about, and their website came up. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 03:00, 25 December 2012 (EST)

== Some Stuff To Add On The Main Page ==

*The TDI Kard used by the LAPD in Cordis Die is fires semi auto only and the officers pulls a non existing slide when reloading.
*The Uzi is used by the Dignity Battalion in Suffer with Me.
*The fast SPAS 12 reload Menendez can do in Time And Fate only works with the SPAS 12 he takes from Noriega. Meaning if he picks up another one he will reload normally.
*The KSG reloads two shells at a time only if fast mags is chosen.
*The AKS-74U is incorrectly used by Soviets on the front lines rather than tank crews.
*The M1216 is used by Navy Sailors in the USS Obama.
*Wouldn't the SVD-M be anachronistic to the 1980s missions?
*The RPD is incorrectly used by the Soviets in Afghanistan rather than the RPK-74.
*The FHJ-18 AA is used in singleplayer by Menendez and his troops.
*There is some kind of revolver seen on the model of some Dignity Battalion and Menendez Cartel members.
*[http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/a/ac/Wielding_MP7_BOII.png Is that a USP in his holster?]
*[http://images.wikia.com/callofduty/images/d/d6/Viet_Cong_Kill_BOII.png There is an M16 variant in the cutscene that plays after the first mission].
*M2 Brownings are mounted on the SOC-Ts in Fallen Angel.
*An AH-64 variant can be seen in the startup cutscene.
*M16A2s can be seen on the creates that can be unlock by the Access Kit in the 2025 missions.
*M2 Brownings in Cordis Die have a source of ammo via ammo bags.
*The DShK can be seen in Judgement Day.
*92SBs can also be seen on Army Rangers in Judgement Day. This is best seen during the explosion after Raul's webcast.
[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] ([[User talk:Mr.Ice|talk]]) 11:41, 26 December 2012 (EST)
: According to the Call of Duty wiki, the M16 Woods is using in that cutscene is the [[M16A4]] model from [[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 22:54, 12 January 2013 (EST)

== Peacekeeper ==

So, first DLC is going to include a new weapon, a weirdy compact carbine most likely misclassified as an SMG called the "Peacekeeper." Looks like a Frankengun AR. With the safety on.

[[Image:Peacekeeper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Peacekeeper" compact carbine.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:50, 9 January 2013 (EST)

:This is precisely why we can't have nice things. It looks like pure evil. Even saying it's supposed to be an AR platform is a bit of a stretch. The hand guard and flash hider at the very least seem familiar, although I can't put my finger on it. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:37, 9 January 2013 (EST)

::I'm kind of curious as to how it's even supposed to work; I assume that's a hinge in front of the trigger guard rather than a pin, which means the gun strips by splitting diagonally along the middle of the receiver like it's a FAL, only it can't actually do that because the trigger guard is in the way. And it seems that the only possible component that could be holding the two halves of the reciever together other than that single pin is, um, the bolt release. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 06:17, 9 January 2013 (EST)

:::I'm under a terrible premonition that clever chaps who were at helm when it came to designing the thing had no idea that a firearm should have such a function. Instead, they tried to meagerly deceive us with arbitrary dents and recesses so we would be more susceptible to accepting that this is indeed a future weapon created by future technological achievements in order to further achieve future tasks. Just look at that tiny stock and ridiculous vertical forehand, ye Mighty, and despair. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 13:34, 10 January 2013 (EST)

::::The front thing is ''basically'' just a Magpul AFG with no rear support (which would make breaking an issue), but it's too far forward to actually use since you'd have to rest your thumb on either the flash hider or in front of the front sight where it would easily slip onto the hider anyway. It looks like something built in Pimp My Gun by someone who wasn't really thinking about how anyone would actually use it.

::::Bit of a shame, some of their other designs like the SMR are actually pretty neat looking. Still, it's not going to out-ugly the Peacekeeper Carbine from ''Bulletstorm'' anytime soon (see my user page, bring sickbag). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 03:03, 11 January 2013 (EST)

:::::A plague o' both your houses, Evil Tim! I am sped. What a terrible machination ''Epic Games'' has on their hands. But at least that can somewhat be looked over considering it is ''Bulletstorm'' of all things. ''Black Ops II: The Black Opsening'' had a pretty solid and down to earth art direction considering it is set in a brave new world of the near future. Setting that could have very easily been exploited by the developers to just chug a few liters of liqueur and go all out on the weapon selection, spilling what ever silly idea they harbored in their noggins.
:::::But this 'Peacekeeper' business is bound to make me assume the very name is cursed by some ancient and mercifully forgotten anathema and every fictional firearm that bears it's label is forever cursed to be mocked and ridiculed in public. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 09:52, 11 January 2013 (EST)

:I'm sort of wondering if it isn't supposed to be a futured-up AAC Honey Badger:
:[[Image:AAC honey badger.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Honey Badger with magazine removed - 7.62x35mm]]
:[[Image:Peacekeeper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Peacekeeper" compact carbine]]
:They've messed around with it a lot, but the outline is basically the same and you can see how that tiny, stupid stock came to be. It's also kind of funny that the Peacekeeper still seems to have the pin which should be at the front of the lower receiver under the rear of the handguard, even though the front of the lower isn't there anymore. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 00:28, 14 January 2013 (EST)
::I have to wonder why they didn't just use the Honey Badger then. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 01:37, 14 January 2013 (EST)
:::That's a very good point. Perhaps they posses a crippling phobia of large weasels and did not want to associate their product with them. I personally find it hilarious how they didn't quite get around to the idea of a retractable stock, those clever beasts. Surely the fact that this is a downright ridiculous configuration had to come up when they started animating it with first person and third person models. Even so, should we add this to main page when the time comes (The Titus and that three barreled marksman rifle are already there and the latter is basically based on just a very shoddy concept) even if it might be a ''completely'' fictive rifle? --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 04:44, 14 January 2013 (EST)
::::Yeah, it's going on. Especially with a game where a lot of the players don't know anything about guns at all, it's kind of important to point out which guns aren't real if there's a mix of real and real-enough-to-the-layman. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:10, 14 January 2013 (EST)
:::::Maybe it has a weird sci-fi feature like the Storm or the Titus. Does Activision have to pay licensing fees to the manufacturers to use these weapons? Maybe they wanted to save a buck. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:55, 14 January 2013 (EST)

:Latest leaked images of the Peacekeeper shows that the AFG isn't as flimsy as we had once thought.
:[[Image:Fullscreen_capture_1282013_005259.jpg|thumb|none|600px|New Peacekeeper screenshot from latest leaked videos]]

::Well, it's not that it isn't as flimsy, it's that they've actually changed it to be less so. Also moved that hinge so you could actually split the rifle along it without destroying the trigger guard, I notice. Can't use that image, though, since leaks aren't allowed; have to wait for something official. Also wow, it has like five degrees of motion for three fire selector settings there, how are you supposed to tell if it's on the middle one? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 04:19, 28 January 2013 (EST)

In my opinion, the Peacekeeper highly resembles the 3D printer concept 5.7 AR. [[User:AgentGumby|AgentGumby]] ([[User talk:AgentGumby|talk]]) 17:12, 28 January 2013 (EST)

:That 5.7mm AR used an off-the-shelf AR-57 upper with a printed generic AR-15 lower. This looks nothing like it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 17:35, 28 January 2013 (EST)

== AKS-74U misclassified as an SMG? ==

I have seen many sources with legitimate and proper authority claim compact assault rifles can be classified as submachine guns, the most recent i read being Jane's Infantry Weapons 1992-1993, which considers the AKS-74U a submachine gun while still acknowledging it is firing 5.45x39mm ammunition and being developed from the AK-74. They clearly classified it as an SMG.

So are they wrong, or do opinions simply differ and IMFDB has weapon guidelines based on their opnions on the matter? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 09:48, 18 January 2013 (EST)
:This has been [[Talk:Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops/Archive_1#AKS74U_a_RIFLE.2C_not_a_SMG.21.21.21.21|kicked around]] since ''Black Ops 1''. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:36, 18 January 2013 (EST)

We also have books that were made during the early 2000's and the 90's and each one says the AKS-74U is a sub machine. I remember having these books way before COD 4.--[[User:Commandoninja137|Commandoninja137]] ([[User talk:Commandoninja137|talk]]) 12:05, 18 January 2013 (EST)

:Yeah they can classify it as whatever the hell they want, but it'll still officially be a shortened carbine assault rifle, IMO the only time they can legitimately call the AKS-74u an SMG would be when they make a gun that looks exactly like it that fires pistol rounds like an actual SMG. [[User:Kornflakes89|Kornflakes89]] ([[User talk:Kornflakes89|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2013 (EST)
::According to the BO1 post above, IMFDB classifies it as an assault rifle. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 14:52, 18 January 2013 (EST)
:::IMO, it is an Short Barreled Rifle. An SMG is not a SMG because it is short, it is as such because it fires a pistol caliber round, the AK-74U, obviously, fires an intermediate cartridge. Therefore, it is a Assault Rifle, and just for that, can not be labelled as an SMG no matter how much they try to label it as such. --<BIG>''-Chris'''</BIG><BIG>'''J-''</BIG> [[Special:Contributions/Chris_Jeremic|''' CONTRIBUTIONS''']] 00:36, 19 January 2013 (EST)

:Yeah, we should avoid using marketing or legal definitions to classify weapons on the site, since they tend to be confusing and contradictory, and should note when a weapon is type-classified in a way that isn't technically correct (eg the WW2 Japanese "heavy" machine guns which fire rifle rounds, or the compact "pistol" ARs which fire intermediate rounds). It's pretty obvious that the AKS-74U is in the SMG category because of the statistics it has in-game rather than because the gun itself is an SMG. An SMG which fires intermediate rounds is a compact assault rifle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:00, 21 January 2013 (EST)

== Batallón Dignidad's revovlers ==

The Batallón Dignidad (those crazy mofos who try to hit you with bats in "Suffer With Me") in-game have revolvers stuffed into their vests and rigs. The CoD wiki lists them as the Python, but they don't look like Pythons to me. Personally, I'm terrible at I.D'ing revolvers, but if I had to guess I'd guess its a M1917 .45acp, due to it's shape. I was wondering if one of you could take a look at it. --[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 18:22, 5 February 2013 (EST)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-12-12T21:56:55Z

CommanderLukas: /* Operation Guillotine */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

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== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::This M136 guy, Matkovic, is Navy EOD attached to Blackburn's Force Recon unit, which is why he isn't present in all of the missions. Despite the fact that EOD doesn't work this closely with other units, that is the reasoning for his alternate appearance - [[User:Tangero2325|Tangero2325]] 9:55, 18 June 2012 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Heck, I've got a pair of ammo boxes, and THEY have designations (M19A1). - Wantabs_Warrior38

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - S9771773G 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

More funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsbTjPe2fs&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

More ordinary stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUpUFwV8fM8&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::An LRSR mission with the Barrett like the one in CoD4 would have been awesome to have in BF3. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:Holy crap, I thought that was a real Marine in that pic at first! :O [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

To be honest, I only find the first one to be chuckle-worthy. The other two are pretty much meh. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:40, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

When was the screenshot that says "HK53" taken? Shouldn't that be updated with a more recent one that says "G53"? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:46, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

::Yeah, most definitely. We welcome clarification on any component or add-on used in the game. IMFDB's priorities are much different than those of game-based wikis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:31, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Do you guys think we should have a section for the attachments in the game, since there are so many? For most games it wouldn't be necessary, but here there are 12 different optics, the aftermarket irons, KAC foregrip, Harris bipod, six (I think) suppressors, PEQ-2, pistol laser sight, and a tac light. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:Yes, please include the info on which flash suppressors and other accessories are being used on which guns in the screenshots (as well as an addendum at the end of the page outlining just which real-life firearm accessories are in the game). There are many of us not in the know who would like to learn about them. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:32, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

That Javelin dogtag looks so cool. I can't wait to get to 500 kills with it. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 21:16, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: SCAR-L (misspelled as SCARL-L; I tweeted Demize)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: ACR (as ACW-R, like PDW-R)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: "M5K" (don't know what it is, described as M5K tactical machine pistol)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

LIST EDITED

::I'm excited to see the AUG and the MTAR, but the ACR and SCAR-L... while I have nothing against them (in fact, I really like them) aren't they a bit... implausible? As for the LSAT... HELL. NO. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 19:15, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Not sure if this is on the up and up, but people are talking about the Recon weapons being the HK417 and the CZ-750 (these are were supposedly found buried in some code in a leaked beta build), and with both of these weapons having an effective range of about a thousand meters, this seems plausible. However others are claiming there will be no Recon weapons in this expansion, which seems like it would a stupid move on DICE's part. In addition people are saying the ACR will be a carbine with a 25+1 capacity, and that the SCAR-L will be the assault rifle weapon (seems odd to have a the 7.62 variant as a carbine and the 5.56 variant as an assault rifle, but oh well). Others say the second All Kit weapon will be something called an M5K? I'm not sure what that is. Again none of this was shown in the trailer, however some people claim to have seen the CZ-750 in the trailer, but it's such a poor view that it could just as well be the SV-98. Also, BF3 fans work fast, someone made these mock ups of the stats screens for the guns: http://imgur.com/a/iOlAQ [[User:Spry|Spry]] 03:08, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::After thinking about it a bit, I'm starting to think the M5K is meant to be the MP5K, when you consider that they've renamed a couple of H&K weapons like the HK53 and the HK416, it's plausible that they had some licensing issues with H&K like they seem to have had with Magpul and Glock (No surprise there, considering how notoriously protective Glock is of their brand), So they probably just renamed it the M5K. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 10:29, 14 March 2012 (CET)
:::::Either that, or they misspelled it, like they did the SCAR-L. And if the MP5 doesn't have H&K's name in its name, they probably wouldn't have to rename it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:18, 14 March 2012 (PST)
::::::You also have to take into account that some of the weapons used by said classes in the trailer could just be kits they picked up in the middle of the battle, perhaps to throw off the assertion of which one belongs to who. I'm just glad the L86A1 is in there, finally another British weapon added, just add a Browning Hi-Power or a SIG P226 and I'm set! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:38, 14 March 2012 (CDT)Draco122

An M203A2 would be a nice addition, since the Marines don't use the M320. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:12, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I thought this belonged here, since we're on the subject of expansions, here's a HUGE list of updates in this upcoming patch.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 01:56, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

"Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)" TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:59, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

Does anyone know of any new info on the weapons in the expansion? I still have no idea of what the 2nd recon weapon is (Is recon even getting 2 weapons?). Now I'm hearing the TAR is going to be all-kit? I'm clearly confused. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 21:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== L96 Irons?! ==

What in the holy hell is that garbage?! finally a rifle with good iron sights and the stick a SECOND front sight on the end of the receiver rail... for a whopping 7" sight radius... dear god what a disappointment. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]]
:As a side note, that isn't an L96 front sight, looks more like the one that is on the G22 (German variant of the AWM). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:39, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
::Hahaha, that was my reaction too. The sights will be fixed in that big patch that should be out this month. It was on that huge notes list. EDIT: I think the BF3 rifle IS the G22; folding stock & front sight. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg here][[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:55, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
:[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]

: question on the L96, what is it chambered in? It should be .300 Winchester Magnum (I think?) but the ingame description says 7.62mmx51mm NATO... [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 00:03, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
::The standard Arctic Warfare is chambered in either .243 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. However, the in game gun is modelled on a magnum rifle (can tell by the size of the magazine) which is chambered in .300 Winchester of .338 Lapua. The caliber is correct for the name of the gun, but wrong for the model it actually is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:00, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
:Keep in mind most of the calibres are wrong for the Back To Karkand guns, like the QBs being 5.45mm [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:40, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

== Shortcuts ==

I was on the 360 Marketplace this week, looking for new Add-ons for any of my games when I came across several for Battlefield 3. They are class specific and cost 560 Microsoft points apiece or you can get the ultimate bundle which includes Air, Ground and Co-Op 'shortcuts' for a whopping 3200 points. What a shortcut entails is basically a free pass to getting ALL of the specific kits weapons, attachments and gadgets thereby bypassing the experience system if someone has the credits.

In short, this is a noob's wetdream. Personally, I think they should rename the Ultimate Shortcut Bundle to the Ultimate Lazy Bastards Bundle. Thankfully all of the shortcuts have been getting pretty low reviews. Thoughts? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 16:28, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:Wait, it includes weapon attachments? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:24, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Every other game is dumbed down for casual gamers to blow through in an hour. Why is this any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:51, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Shortcuts are gay. 'nuff said. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 17:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm not too happy about shortcuts either, but did you really have to use gay as a way to insult it? [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42
:Sorry, I forgot gay means "happy" --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:27, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== SPAS-12 = Pump-Action? ==

I was watching the part of the Close-Quarters Expansion Pack trailer where it showed the SPAS-12, and it looked like it was operating in pump-action mode. Is anyone else disappointed by this? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

I'm actually quite glad, I was quite disappointed with the lack of pump-action shotguns in game. I guess they could say it's an SAS-12 so it's a pump-action only variant in real life. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42

I don't really care, I want more pump actions, but another tube fed semi action shotty too. --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:40, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

:Same here, it's not technically wrong, and since we need at least one more pump shotgun, I'm fine with it. I also think they went with the SPAS-12 because most pump shotguns like 870s, Mossbergs, Ithicas, etc, looks very similar. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:20, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

::True, but they could have done the Tactical version of the Benelli Nova or SuperNova. They look unique enough. Or they could have done the Kel-Tec KSG, except without continuous fire of its two magazines (I'm looking at you, MW3).

What's wrong with a pump shotgun with 12 shots (*EDITED* the Kel-tec KSG)? The street sweeper (DAO-12) has 12 shots AND is semi-auto, then there's the USAS-12 with 10+1 and FULL-auto, a pump action with 12 or 12+1 capicity wounldn't be much of a big deal. - Wantabe_Warrior38

:You think the SPAS-12 has 12 shots? It only has an 8-round magazine. *EDITED* No, when I said "continuous fire", I meant in MW3, you continually fire as if it automatically switched its magazines, instead of actually having to manually switch it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

::Pretty sure he meant the KSG. And yeah, the SuperNova looks pretty sweet, I like the trigger guard :) EDIT: Are there any pump-action mag-fed shotguns? I can't think of any, but that'd be pretty cool, like the M1014 and Saiga-12K. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:30, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:::There are conversion kits to convert popular pump guns to magazine fed, but they look odd with the magazine being further forward than normal, under the existing magazine tube. There are pump actions that are made with box magazines like the [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun]] series, or the [[Hawk shotgun series]]. There is also the [[Franchi SPAS-15]] which is semi/pump like the SPAS-12. I have also seen Saigas that have been converted to pump action. These are just off the top of my head, there are probably other, more obscure weapons out there. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:47, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

== KH2002 Magazine ==

Is it using the 20 round stanag magazine? Looks like it. If it is, ill mention it on the kh2002 portion of the page
EoghanG93 22-4-12

The in game magazine capacity is 30. So I doubt it would be, someone would've picked up on that mistake by now. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 01:24, 27 April 2012 (CET)

== RPK Mag ==
So, it seems someone screwed up during the development of the patch and now the RPK has an extended mag option that gives it 199+1 rounds :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:31, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
:I think it was a DICE only attachment pre-patch --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 20:02, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

:Doubtful, the MG36 and the QBB are mysteriously missing their "extended mag" attachments, leading to the unfortunate scene of a perpetually capped off Beta C-Mag. :S -- Long Fallen 02:02, 16 April 2012 (CDT)

:The QBB is only supposed to have 75, so that was good, I think they just forgot to up the default capacity of the MG36 when they removed the attachements. Also, those two also got a heavy barrel option, and the AS Val got a 30 round mag option. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:15, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

:After June patch, RPK Ext. magazine is gone. However, they introduced Ext. Magazine for M27 IAR, and MG36 is still missing extended magazine and it's limited to fire only 51 rounds.....Nice job DICE! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] 11:52, 13 June 2012 (PST)

::LOL! Baby steps... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:10, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

== Donya Fortress Trailer ==

See this for the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LipJK6nxEw&feature=g-u-u

Weapons seen (Confirmed):
*MTAR-21
*SPAS-12 (fired in pump action)
*AUGA3
*ACR (Called ACW-R)
*JNG-90
*L86 (Seen at 1:14)

Weapons seen (Unconfirmed):
*LSAT Machine Gun (Used by Engineer at 0:29 and seen in killfeed)
*Unknown compact AK variant (Seen at 1:11, carried by Engineer, looks different from AKS-74U)
*Unknown long barrelled Revolver (Also seen at 1:11, carried by a Support)

Thats all I can spot [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:05, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

M417 appears in the Killfeed. [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/File:M417.jpg Sauce.] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:32, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

:I'm betting it's the semi-auto sniper for the recon kit [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:49, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
::The fact it's seen being used by a Recon kit at around 1:05 with an EoTech and a suppressor lends credence to the idea.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:54, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

:::Looks like a standard 74U to me, but that pistol doesn't really look like anything. I found the MP5K, it's at 0:50. As far as I can tell this just confirms the SPAS-12 is pump, the MP5K is the SMG, and the other sniper is the JNG-90, which I'd never heard of before. Also, they updated the "AUG" to "AUG A3" since the last trailer :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:45, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
::::Yeah, I'm pretty content with the weapons selection now that we've pretty much seen all of them. I'm kind of hoping that the SPAS-12 is both pump-action and semi-auto, though.
:::::From the press release: ''•Earn 10 new weapons and bring them back to the base game including: 1.AUG Assault Rifle, 2.SCAR Assault Rifle, 3.ACW-R Carbine, 4.MTAR-21 Carbine, 5.M417 Sniper Rifle, 6.JNG-90 Sniper Rifle, 7.L86LSW Machine Gun, 8.LSAT Machine Gun, 9.M5K Tactical Machine Pistol, 10.PAS-12 Shotgun'' [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 06:18, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

:Good, the SCAR-L is an AR and the ACR is a carbine, that's what I was hoping for, and the only thing we didn't know for sure. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:29, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

== SIG SG 553 ==

Do you ever see the charging handle of the SG 553, as I'm wondering whether it is genuinely an SG 553 or a mislabelled SG 552 (charging handle is the only deffinite difference). The gun picture is actually a mislabelled SG 552. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:20, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
:You can look at the right side of weapons in-game by putting them on a bipod and rotating them. What exactly is the definitive difference between the 552 and 533, other than the RIS? --[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 19:07, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

== MP7A1 ==

No matter how many times I look at, or just think of, the MP7 rounds ''this'' big I have hilarity induced seizures. Thanks for the unending joy, but I am suing you for giving me epilepsy. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 11:35, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

...what?
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 01:13, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

One of the screen shots for the MP7 shows the reload animation without a magazine, so the animation looks like the player is gesturing how big the bullets would be.--[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 01:26, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

:It's pretty funny, as are a lot of the other ones. Whoever does those captions, I don't know if it's everyone or one really funny person, but thank you :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:52, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

== Missing Screenshots ==

So I noticed we're still missing a in game screenshots of some of the BtK weapons. I loaded up fraps and snapped a few of the ones I have unlocked. I'm missing the QBU-88 QBZ-95B the L96 and the MK3A1, but I have a few good shots of the rest. Screwed up catching images of some of the charging animations though. Also, the charging animation on the L85 looks like it's just smacking the cheek rest. Photo album is here: [http://imgur.com/a/j38Rv] I'll let someone more senior that me decide which photos to add, it's been a while since I edited a wiki. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 09:29, 30 April 2012 (CDT)
:That is correct for an L85, there is a bolt release catch underneath the cheek rest on the left side of the gun. When you empty a magazine the bolt will lock back, so you just need to change the magazine and push the catch up to chamber the first round. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:11, 30 April 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks for that Commando, info on the L85 seems hard to find. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:56, 30 April 2012 (CDT)

== PP-19 ==

Since the patch hsa changed the PP-19to be chambered in the 9x18mm Makarov, would it be at all possible to have the screenshot of the loadout screen to represent the change? It currently shows it pre-patch where its still in the 9x19mm Parabellum. I'd do it myself but I only have it for 360 and I don't know how. Thanks. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:58, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

== How do we know the M1911 in this game is an M-45 MEU(SOC)? ==

The real life picture provided shows the pistol with U.S. Army markings. How do we know the in-game M1911 is actually an MEUSOC?

:"It is a standard M1911A1 with a three-hole trigger, a Springfield slide, commander-style hammer, beavertail grip safety, Pachmayr rubber grips, and uses 8 round magazines." That's an exact match to the 1st-gen MEUSOC pisotls. As for why it has army markings, it was probably built on a standard Army M1911A1, but I don't know for sure. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:57, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Close Quarters Weapons ==

So I bought Premium, and I've unlocked a few of the guns. Uploaded some screens, and I'm gonna start adding them into the page.

I have the SCAR-L, AUG-A3, ACR, HK417, SPAS-12, L86A2. I can't unlock the MP5K or the JNG-90 until the maps are unlocked on PC, but I'll add the LSAT and MTAR-21 screens when I unlock them. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 09:05, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Added missing screens of the L85A2, MG36, QBB-95, LSAT, MTAR-21. Still have the QBU-88 sniper rifle and the L96/G22 to add. Too tired to add them now. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:21, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

== CQ Weapons Comments ==

I was disappointed to see the ACR in the carbine kit although it's the full length version with a fixed stock. I was hoping they'd put the SCAR-L in the carbine kit instead, as the SCAR-H already is there.
I Also liked if the HK417 was in the assault kit also as a Battle rifle. THe G3A3 is the only battle rifle in the Assault kit.
Instead of the HK417 being in recon they could have put in a modernized Saiga 308 or the Mk12 SPR.
Apart from that I rather do like the DLC and the weapons. [[User:EoghanG93|EoghanG93]] 10:20, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
:I think they put the SCAR-L in the Assault kit because they needed to do a little balancing with the SCAR-H and -L. If the lower-powered one was the one with the shorter barrel, and therefore range, the higher-powered one would be chosen, whether it was in the same kit or not, because of its higher power and range. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:25, 9 June 2012 (PST)

The ACR is apparently using the 6.5 Grendel round, if the Battlelog weapon profile is anything to go by. -- Long Fallen 15:53, 8 June 2012 (CDT)
:Yeah, that's probably why it has a 26-round magazine instead of a 30-rounder. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:34, 9 June 2012 (PST)
::The damage of this gun is actually a lot different from other engineer guns. Unlike M4/AKS-74U and etc, it does less damage in close range, but it does more damage than other carbines. Is that an accrate representation of 6.5 Grendel round?? [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] 11:40, 13 June 2012 (PST)

== L86= A1 or A2? ==

On the page, it says that the L86 in-game is an A1, mislabeled as an A2. However, if that was because of the charging handle, I've heard of L85A1's and L86A1's upgraded in the field to A2 retaining their old A1 charging handle. Is there anything else that differentiates the L86A1 and A2? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:21, 9 June 2012 (PST)
:"upgraded in the field"
:You can do that? Last time I checked most of the A2 upgrades were armourer / factory level changes that can't be done by the average squaddie in the field. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:58, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::That's what I heard, maybe a gunsmith in the field upgraded it for the rest of the people in his squad/platoon/other organisation level in the military. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:59, 10 June 2012 (PST)

The L86 has the same charging handle as the L85 in game, if that makes a difference. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 06:04, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

Looks like it's missing the guard around the magazine catch that was added to the A2. Also, I don't know what the hell is going on [[:File:Bf3_l86a2_bolt.jpg|here.]] It's not "slapping the bolt catch" because A. The SA80 bolt release is on the other side of the weapon, and B. you can't slap it anyway. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:48, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
:That is "slapping the bolt catch", as there is a bolt release catch on the left side of the weapon just above the fire selector (where he is slapping). On SA80 weapons there is a catch on the right side behind the ejection port which you use to hold the bolt open, but there is a separate release catch on the left side. If you empty a magazine and the bolt locks back, to reload the weapon you just have the change the magazine and press the catch up to release the bolt and chamber the first round. You are correct that it doesn't have the shield around the mag release indicating that it is based on an A1 (or an inaccurate airsoft A2). Also, there were no field upgraded A2 weapons, the upgrade was carried out in a factory by H&K. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:34, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::Ah, than I guess it is an A1. Thanks, Commando. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 2:00, 10 June 2012 (PST)
:::So it's an A1 with an A2 charging handle? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:29, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Does anyone have a shot where you see the charging handle, as there are none on the main page. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Edit: I just searched on youtube for some vids of it and it is very hard to see the charging handle clearly, but it is visible when you vault over things and it appears to be a standard round A1 handle rather than the comma shaped A2 handle. In fact now that I'm thinking about it, the A2 flash hider pokes upwards higher than the top of the receiver, so if it was an A2 handle you should be able to see it from the regular view anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

::::: The L86 is an A1, I think? The charging handle is straight, and not the crescent/comma shaped one from the L85A2. You can see it clearly here. [[File:l86 a1 charge handle.jpg|400px|thumb|none]] [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 17:38, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
That confirms it then, just a straight L86A1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:43, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm glad that DICE seems to at least understand the difference between the A1 and A2, because the L86 in the trailer was called L86A1, and they might have changed it to A2 to rid it of the horrid reputation of the A1. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:08, 10 June 2012 (PST)

== Armoured Kill ==

New info out! Can anyone help on IDs? The AC-130 is obvious, and the Quad appears to be the BC2 one. There's a pair of Mobile Artillery, and a pair of "Tank Destroyers". I'm not that good with vehicles, but I see a tank that looks like a T-52? T-72? Something Soviet. Also, what looks like a Stryker with a huge cannon. US Mobile Artillery? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:35, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/823-ac-130-not-driveable/

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/826-battlefield-3-dlc-armored-kill-g4tv/

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/822-ac-130-plus-bandar-desert-screens/

:I think the Styker is the M1128 Mobile Gun system (unless there's another Stryker which carries a big gun), so I think that would make it one of the 'tank destroyers'. I don't think the tank is a T-72, the hull doesn't look right. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

The Russian vehicle looks like a 2S25 Sprut airborne tank destroyer. --[[User:AK-74Fan|AK-74Fan]] 10:45, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

::I believe you're both right. I looked up the Sprut, it's basically a BMD-3 with a tank cannon, which matches the Stryker nicely. That gives us our two tank destroyers, so we have yet to see either mobile artillery vehicles yet. EDIT: BF Wiki says that's right, and that the MA are the M142 HIMARS and the BM-21 Grad. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:19, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

There was a teaser video for the Battlefield 3 premium release that showed the wire outlines for the Grad and the HIMAR but no action video unless you count the Grads in the Single player mission called "Thunder run" I think. Also the box art for the armoured kill expansion shows a H-60 Blackhawk so that might be included as well. -[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

:Nah, the Blackhawk's just on the box art again. Premium confirms we know everything, 20 guns, 10 vehicles. 10 guns in Karkand and 10 in CQB. Three vehicles in Karkand, six in Armoured Kill, plus the motorcycle in End Game. That's everything. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:: Wait, so we're not getting any new weapons in Armored Kill? I thought DICE said we were getting 10 new guns in each expansion? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 12:31, 16 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Well, there's rumoured Mk 14, but as far as I know, no. They said 20 guns, that's 10 in Karkand, 10 in CQ. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:36, 17 July 2012 (CDT)

::That explains it, when I saw the 10 vehicles I forgot about the ones from Karkand and thought 10 new vehicles. I thought it was seemed out of place for an Army Blackhawk when the Marine UH-1Y is already in the game. That bugged me in BF2. [[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

== ACR in 6.5mm Grendel? ==

Hi, I just wonder that the expected caliber for the ACR is 6.5*39mm Grendel. Can please somebody explain this exception to me?

U used to expect 6.8*43mm SPC, because of the capacity of 26 Bullets in the STANAG Shaped Magazine.

The usual STANAG Shape Capacity of the 6.8 SPC is around 25 and the 6.8mm SPC base diameter in 10,72 cm. The Grendels base diameter in 11,15, so I expect a lightly smaller Mag Capacity.

And isn't it more explicable that Remingtron delivers his own weapons in its own caliber first?

By the way, this is not a fixed opinion but more like a thought, that we might say that the 6,8 SPC is a possible caliber to. [[User:RRT877|RRT(//]] 10:52, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:Copied directly from Battlelog- ''This adaptive combat rifle features a number of recent rifle designs and acts as a lightweight, feature heavy, rifle platform. '''Using the modern, recoil-reducing “Grendel” round,''' as well as being built to endure rough weather conditions and capable of utilizing standard STANAG magazines, this rifle is equipped to fill many of the roles required by both military and law enforcement uses.'' However, the ammunition specs say ''30 rounds [5.56x45mm NATO]''.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:16, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
::Well, the "ACR 6.8" in MW3 also had a 30-round capacity and it was using PMags. Developers don't really care about stuff like this being real. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:38, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:::Infinity Ward, sure, but DICE puts way more effort into making their games realistic.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 17:37, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

I have the ACR unlocked, and the mag curve definitely isn't 5.56x45. If you guys want I can grab a screenshot of it to clear it up? [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 17:08, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm thinking that DICE originally intended to make it in 5.56, but changed the model to 6.8 and forgot to update the Battlelog specs.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 17:37, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:Well regardless of their first intention, I say we go off the magazine curve. Which is here[http://i.imgur.com/7zNVl.jpg] [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:10, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

::I wasn't suggesting that we should go off of their first intention, but rather trying to figure out why Battlelog is so drastically different from the in-game model (which is clearly a 6.8)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:30, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
:::I don't think they pay as much attention to battelog. The QBZ-95B and QBU-88 were both listed as the wrong caliber, and the assignment images are all over the place. According to it's Assignment image, the Mk3A1 is chamber in .223 remington. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:33, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

Thank to you for clearing this. So Our Point is:

Model: 6,8 SPC
Battlelog: 5,56mm / 6,5 Grendel
Stats: 6,5 Grendel

Would you sight this? [[User:RRT877|RRT877]] 11:29, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

== Two questions ==

1. Do all of these bullpup weapons actually have bolt releases? I guess other games like Rainbow Six have kinda drilled me on using the charging handle on weapons like the AUG and SA80
2. Is it technically incorrect for Marines to be using 240B's? I've read a few articles, as well as seen pictures of Marines with 240's equipped with the rails and heat shields characteristic of a 240 Bravo.

:I don't know about the AUG, info on the L85 is hard to come by, but from what I've found it does have a bolt catch. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:44, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
As there is a bit of confusiong and lack of information out there, I'll give a little run down on the controls.
[[File:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
The bolt handle is obvious, being the curved piece of dark plastic at the front of the bolt. The large green piece of plastic behind this is a dust cover that opens when the bolt moves back (it doesn't close when the bolt goes forward again, it has to be manually closed). Behind and below the dust cover is a small green plastic catch which is the bolt hold-open catch. The way that you are meant to use the hold open catch is to reach over the top of the weapon with your left hand, pull the bolt back with the side of your index finger, and when the bolt is fully retracted you push down on the catch with your thumb. It isn't really visible in this shot, but the safety is a cross-bolt above the trigger.
[[File:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
This isn't a great pic of the left side but it is the only one on here. The fire selector is at the bottom of the weapon, half way between the magazine and the butt pad. The lower position is "A" for automatic and the upper is "R" for repetition (semi-automatic). Just above and forward of this there is a square catch just below the cheek rest. This is the bolt release, and when the bolt is held back you pull it down to release the bolt. Not sure if just slapping it on the side would actually work, but in essence the reload animation is correct. However, just realised that the model for the L85A2 is missing the fence around the magazine relese. My guess is that they reused the receiver model from the L86A1 and just put the correct charging handle on it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:45, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

:Ah, you push it down, okay :) Thanks for the info [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:25, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

== m-tar 21 ==

Does anyone know how the m-tar mounts accessories? The front grip doesn't appear to have any rails

:If you look at the picture in Battlelog, you can see that there are rails on the in-game model. This is not inaccurate, as rails can be mounted.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 14:00, 26 June 2012 (CDT)

== Correct Dragunov SVD? ==

I recently got the Mastery dogtag for the SVD and I think It's the correct version and not the NDM-86?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Finncq/dogtags/245528281/ps3/

--[[User:Kona|Kona]] 10:38, 22 July 2012 (CDT)

:Looks like it is the proper one. A number of the Mastery dog tags do that, the MG36 comes to mind. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:38, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

== Mk. 14??? ==

I was reading the page, and I saw Mk. 14 Mod 0 in the Assault Rifles & Battle Rifles category. Now, naturally, I was confused, because there was no confirmed Mk. 14 in any footage of anything about the game. Then, I clicked it and was taken to its space on the page, and it said it was seen in Armored Kill gameplay in the hands of the Engineer class. First off, even if the the Mk. 14 was in the game, it wouldn't a carbine, so it was probably picked up by the Engineer. Second, DICE previously confirmed that '''there would be no new weapons in Armored Kill'''. So, that wasn't a Mk. 14, that was an M39 picked up by an Engineer. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 00:16, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

The M39 is rumored to be an all-kit weapon in Armored Kill. If they do that, I think the G3A3 should become all-kit, too, kinda like Bad Company. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 09:20, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

The M39 is a marksman rifle. It belongs in the Recon class. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 11:08, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

Let's just take it off the page. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 11:58, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

:I agree it shouldn't be on the main page yet. It was seen in video of Armoured Kill gameplay in the hands of an Engineer, as he switched to and RPG in the footage. The ammo count was 20 +1 and, though I don't remember, it may have been firing full auto. That's all we know right now. I've also heard rumours that they may add the M107 into MP, though those are compelete rumours, so don't get your hopes up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:48, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
::Could you post the link to said video? --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 11:24, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wapDDxuvhCg Here]. At 0:40, 1:10, & 1:22. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:14, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

::::Interesting...--[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 15:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

:::::Guys, apparently, the full-auto Mk. 14 being used by an Engineer was probably just a DICE-exclusive weapon. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 21:20, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

:::::Can anyone confirm that it was indeed a Mk 14? If it's in the game in any fashion, it should be on the page. Whether it's DICE-exclusive or publicly-usable is irrelevant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:35, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

::::::No new info, sadly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:51, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

== Could we remove info added pre release ==

Some of the weapons have info added pre release such as the Franchi SPAS-12 as the page says it is one of the 10 guns in the UPCOMING close quarters expansion pack and plenty of others have remnants of info added pre release.--[[User:Xtremegianca|Xtremegianca]] 21:32, 2 September 2012 (CDT)

== EA/DICE "Silently" Removing DLC weapons ==

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/electronic-arts-removes-content-from-battlefield-3s-aftermath-and-end-game-dlc/

Just came across this tid-bit of information regarding Aftermath and Endgame DLC's about EA removing content from Aftermath and End Game despite the fact that previous advertising marked that an additional 10 new weapons would be provided but I'm getting mixed thoughts about this all and wanted peoples views? I personally think it's bogus, what with the new Aftermath Trailer showcasing a Crossbow as a new weapon but I've heard nothing concrete and was wondering if anyone had any idea if this is confirmed or not? [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 19:22, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:The DLC hasn't been released yet, so they're allowed to add or remove anything they want from it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:30, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

::These two DLCs never said anything about new weapons, there were always going to be 20, and the article even admits that :/ As for the bullet points on the pictures, there's only room for four things, so they most likely decided marketing the new gamemode was better than marketing the crossbow. It's made from an HK417, by the way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:50, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:::Actually, it's not. It's a real-life crossbow upper receiver for AR-15 platform lowers. It's called the [http://pse-archery.com/products/productdetail/part_number=01135/445.5.1.1.87663.1003538.0.0.0 PSE TAC 15]. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 19:50, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

::::Actually, Alex, the DLC originally did have new weapons, here is the original BF Premium ad, [http://bf3blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/battlefield-premium.jpg here]. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 21:03, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::You'll need to upload the actual image elsewhere. The blog doesn't let you link to it --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 23:47, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

I can't upload it, I'm on an IPad. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 00:40, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== "XBOW" ==

[[File:BF3-Xbow-Render.jpg|thumb|250px]]The new Aftermath DLC is adding something called the "XBoW". Now before you say that's the PSE TAC 15, it's not. The in game render makes it pretty clear it's a homemade crossbow, and according to its description and appearance, it's built from a salvaged HK417. I've included the image for reference. Now I'm not sure what the policy is on this, but do we add this under the HK417 because it's the base for the weapon? [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 20:16, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering about this too. Maybe make it an extra on the bottom of the main page? I think it should probably be present on the page, as after all, it does inlvove a firearm in one way or another. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:05, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::In general the Rambo Exemption applies to bows which fire explosive arrows, and otherwise it's ok to mention a bow for trivia, completeness, or if the precise make and model is known. The rule mainly exists to stop pages ending up full of "unknown bow" entries that nobody will ever fill in, and / or someone using "you allowed it there!" to make a page for something like ''Lord of the Rings''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:16, 26 November 2012 (EST)
:::Makes sense. Should this crossbow be added then? As it does fire explosive arrows, and it is made from a HK416/417. I think that's enough so it isn't one of those random, useless "Bow" entries. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:05, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::::I see no problem adding it, personally I'd put it under "Other weapons" at the very bottom with the heading as '"Xbow" (Converted HK417)' [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:53, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::I'll grab a few shots of the XBOW when I get my graphics card back. I'll dig up some of the pre-release info too, which talked about how the XBOW was made out of car parts. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 13:54, 12 December 2012 (EST)
Here's the Battlefield Wikia page on the XBOW. http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/XBOW
Apparently it is based on the HK 417 and fires four different kind of bolts: Standard, HE (Which does less damage than an RPG), Scan (Which scans a 10m area for enemies, the bolt itself does the same amount of damage as a single 5.56 round.) and the Balanced (Which has longer range but does less damage.) --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 17:09, 9 December 2012 (EST)

== Operation Guillotine ==

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a clue as to why the game developers gave the US Marines H&K UMPs on this level? The Marines in your squad and the rest of Misfit during the human wave charge down Mount Ridiculous are armed with M16s, but once you hop the wall every Marine has a UMP. Now, don't get me wrong, I understand no Marine is issued an M16A3, but UMPs? I don't think even MARSOC nor Marine Security Something Or Another is armed with UMPs. Just a thought.
[[User:Miyazawa|Miyazawa]] ([[User talk:Miyazawa|talk]]) 19:00, 30 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa

It's a game and DICE wanted to give the Marines some UMPs. Of course someone's gonna come along and say "it's 2014, maybe the USMC adopted the UMP between 2011 and 2014." Just stop over thinking it. --[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 16:53, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-12-12T21:54:52Z

CommanderLukas: /* Operation Guillotine */

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-12-12T21:54:00Z

CommanderLukas: /* Operation Guillotine */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

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== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::This M136 guy, Matkovic, is Navy EOD attached to Blackburn's Force Recon unit, which is why he isn't present in all of the missions. Despite the fact that EOD doesn't work this closely with other units, that is the reasoning for his alternate appearance - [[User:Tangero2325|Tangero2325]] 9:55, 18 June 2012 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

Heck, I've got a pair of ammo boxes, and THEY have designations (M19A1). - Wantabs_Warrior38

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - S9771773G 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

More funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsbTjPe2fs&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

More ordinary stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUpUFwV8fM8&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::An LRSR mission with the Barrett like the one in CoD4 would have been awesome to have in BF3. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:Holy crap, I thought that was a real Marine in that pic at first! :O [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

To be honest, I only find the first one to be chuckle-worthy. The other two are pretty much meh. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:40, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

When was the screenshot that says "HK53" taken? Shouldn't that be updated with a more recent one that says "G53"? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:46, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

::Yeah, most definitely. We welcome clarification on any component or add-on used in the game. IMFDB's priorities are much different than those of game-based wikis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:31, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Do you guys think we should have a section for the attachments in the game, since there are so many? For most games it wouldn't be necessary, but here there are 12 different optics, the aftermarket irons, KAC foregrip, Harris bipod, six (I think) suppressors, PEQ-2, pistol laser sight, and a tac light. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:Yes, please include the info on which flash suppressors and other accessories are being used on which guns in the screenshots (as well as an addendum at the end of the page outlining just which real-life firearm accessories are in the game). There are many of us not in the know who would like to learn about them. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:32, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

That Javelin dogtag looks so cool. I can't wait to get to 500 kills with it. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 21:16, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: SCAR-L (misspelled as SCARL-L; I tweeted Demize)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: ACR (as ACW-R, like PDW-R)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: "M5K" (don't know what it is, described as M5K tactical machine pistol)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

LIST EDITED

::I'm excited to see the AUG and the MTAR, but the ACR and SCAR-L... while I have nothing against them (in fact, I really like them) aren't they a bit... implausible? As for the LSAT... HELL. NO. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 19:15, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Not sure if this is on the up and up, but people are talking about the Recon weapons being the HK417 and the CZ-750 (these are were supposedly found buried in some code in a leaked beta build), and with both of these weapons having an effective range of about a thousand meters, this seems plausible. However others are claiming there will be no Recon weapons in this expansion, which seems like it would a stupid move on DICE's part. In addition people are saying the ACR will be a carbine with a 25+1 capacity, and that the SCAR-L will be the assault rifle weapon (seems odd to have a the 7.62 variant as a carbine and the 5.56 variant as an assault rifle, but oh well). Others say the second All Kit weapon will be something called an M5K? I'm not sure what that is. Again none of this was shown in the trailer, however some people claim to have seen the CZ-750 in the trailer, but it's such a poor view that it could just as well be the SV-98. Also, BF3 fans work fast, someone made these mock ups of the stats screens for the guns: http://imgur.com/a/iOlAQ [[User:Spry|Spry]] 03:08, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::After thinking about it a bit, I'm starting to think the M5K is meant to be the MP5K, when you consider that they've renamed a couple of H&K weapons like the HK53 and the HK416, it's plausible that they had some licensing issues with H&K like they seem to have had with Magpul and Glock (No surprise there, considering how notoriously protective Glock is of their brand), So they probably just renamed it the M5K. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 10:29, 14 March 2012 (CET)
:::::Either that, or they misspelled it, like they did the SCAR-L. And if the MP5 doesn't have H&K's name in its name, they probably wouldn't have to rename it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:18, 14 March 2012 (PST)
::::::You also have to take into account that some of the weapons used by said classes in the trailer could just be kits they picked up in the middle of the battle, perhaps to throw off the assertion of which one belongs to who. I'm just glad the L86A1 is in there, finally another British weapon added, just add a Browning Hi-Power or a SIG P226 and I'm set! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:38, 14 March 2012 (CDT)Draco122

An M203A2 would be a nice addition, since the Marines don't use the M320. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:12, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I thought this belonged here, since we're on the subject of expansions, here's a HUGE list of updates in this upcoming patch.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 01:56, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

"Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)" TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:59, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

Does anyone know of any new info on the weapons in the expansion? I still have no idea of what the 2nd recon weapon is (Is recon even getting 2 weapons?). Now I'm hearing the TAR is going to be all-kit? I'm clearly confused. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 21:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== L96 Irons?! ==

What in the holy hell is that garbage?! finally a rifle with good iron sights and the stick a SECOND front sight on the end of the receiver rail... for a whopping 7" sight radius... dear god what a disappointment. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]]
:As a side note, that isn't an L96 front sight, looks more like the one that is on the G22 (German variant of the AWM). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:39, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
::Hahaha, that was my reaction too. The sights will be fixed in that big patch that should be out this month. It was on that huge notes list. EDIT: I think the BF3 rifle IS the G22; folding stock & front sight. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg here][[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:55, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
:[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]

: question on the L96, what is it chambered in? It should be .300 Winchester Magnum (I think?) but the ingame description says 7.62mmx51mm NATO... [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 00:03, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
::The standard Arctic Warfare is chambered in either .243 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. However, the in game gun is modelled on a magnum rifle (can tell by the size of the magazine) which is chambered in .300 Winchester of .338 Lapua. The caliber is correct for the name of the gun, but wrong for the model it actually is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:00, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
:Keep in mind most of the calibres are wrong for the Back To Karkand guns, like the QBs being 5.45mm [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:40, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

== Shortcuts ==

I was on the 360 Marketplace this week, looking for new Add-ons for any of my games when I came across several for Battlefield 3. They are class specific and cost 560 Microsoft points apiece or you can get the ultimate bundle which includes Air, Ground and Co-Op 'shortcuts' for a whopping 3200 points. What a shortcut entails is basically a free pass to getting ALL of the specific kits weapons, attachments and gadgets thereby bypassing the experience system if someone has the credits.

In short, this is a noob's wetdream. Personally, I think they should rename the Ultimate Shortcut Bundle to the Ultimate Lazy Bastards Bundle. Thankfully all of the shortcuts have been getting pretty low reviews. Thoughts? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 16:28, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:Wait, it includes weapon attachments? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:24, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Every other game is dumbed down for casual gamers to blow through in an hour. Why is this any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:51, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Shortcuts are gay. 'nuff said. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 17:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm not too happy about shortcuts either, but did you really have to use gay as a way to insult it? [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42
:Sorry, I forgot gay means "happy" --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:27, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== SPAS-12 = Pump-Action? ==

I was watching the part of the Close-Quarters Expansion Pack trailer where it showed the SPAS-12, and it looked like it was operating in pump-action mode. Is anyone else disappointed by this? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

I'm actually quite glad, I was quite disappointed with the lack of pump-action shotguns in game. I guess they could say it's an SAS-12 so it's a pump-action only variant in real life. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42

I don't really care, I want more pump actions, but another tube fed semi action shotty too. --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:40, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

:Same here, it's not technically wrong, and since we need at least one more pump shotgun, I'm fine with it. I also think they went with the SPAS-12 because most pump shotguns like 870s, Mossbergs, Ithicas, etc, looks very similar. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:20, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

::True, but they could have done the Tactical version of the Benelli Nova or SuperNova. They look unique enough. Or they could have done the Kel-Tec KSG, except without continuous fire of its two magazines (I'm looking at you, MW3).

What's wrong with a pump shotgun with 12 shots (*EDITED* the Kel-tec KSG)? The street sweeper (DAO-12) has 12 shots AND is semi-auto, then there's the USAS-12 with 10+1 and FULL-auto, a pump action with 12 or 12+1 capicity wounldn't be much of a big deal. - Wantabe_Warrior38

:You think the SPAS-12 has 12 shots? It only has an 8-round magazine. *EDITED* No, when I said "continuous fire", I meant in MW3, you continually fire as if it automatically switched its magazines, instead of actually having to manually switch it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

::Pretty sure he meant the KSG. And yeah, the SuperNova looks pretty sweet, I like the trigger guard :) EDIT: Are there any pump-action mag-fed shotguns? I can't think of any, but that'd be pretty cool, like the M1014 and Saiga-12K. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:30, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:::There are conversion kits to convert popular pump guns to magazine fed, but they look odd with the magazine being further forward than normal, under the existing magazine tube. There are pump actions that are made with box magazines like the [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun]] series, or the [[Hawk shotgun series]]. There is also the [[Franchi SPAS-15]] which is semi/pump like the SPAS-12. I have also seen Saigas that have been converted to pump action. These are just off the top of my head, there are probably other, more obscure weapons out there. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:47, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

== KH2002 Magazine ==

Is it using the 20 round stanag magazine? Looks like it. If it is, ill mention it on the kh2002 portion of the page
EoghanG93 22-4-12

The in game magazine capacity is 30. So I doubt it would be, someone would've picked up on that mistake by now. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 01:24, 27 April 2012 (CET)

== RPK Mag ==
So, it seems someone screwed up during the development of the patch and now the RPK has an extended mag option that gives it 199+1 rounds :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:31, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
:I think it was a DICE only attachment pre-patch --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 20:02, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

:Doubtful, the MG36 and the QBB are mysteriously missing their "extended mag" attachments, leading to the unfortunate scene of a perpetually capped off Beta C-Mag. :S -- Long Fallen 02:02, 16 April 2012 (CDT)

:The QBB is only supposed to have 75, so that was good, I think they just forgot to up the default capacity of the MG36 when they removed the attachements. Also, those two also got a heavy barrel option, and the AS Val got a 30 round mag option. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:15, 17 April 2012 (CDT)

:After June patch, RPK Ext. magazine is gone. However, they introduced Ext. Magazine for M27 IAR, and MG36 is still missing extended magazine and it's limited to fire only 51 rounds.....Nice job DICE! [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] 11:52, 13 June 2012 (PST)

::LOL! Baby steps... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:10, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

== Donya Fortress Trailer ==

See this for the trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LipJK6nxEw&feature=g-u-u

Weapons seen (Confirmed):
*MTAR-21
*SPAS-12 (fired in pump action)
*AUGA3
*ACR (Called ACW-R)
*JNG-90
*L86 (Seen at 1:14)

Weapons seen (Unconfirmed):
*LSAT Machine Gun (Used by Engineer at 0:29 and seen in killfeed)
*Unknown compact AK variant (Seen at 1:11, carried by Engineer, looks different from AKS-74U)
*Unknown long barrelled Revolver (Also seen at 1:11, carried by a Support)

Thats all I can spot [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:05, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

M417 appears in the Killfeed. [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/File:M417.jpg Sauce.] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:32, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

:I'm betting it's the semi-auto sniper for the recon kit [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 12:49, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
::The fact it's seen being used by a Recon kit at around 1:05 with an EoTech and a suppressor lends credence to the idea.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:54, 26 April 2012 (CDT)

:::Looks like a standard 74U to me, but that pistol doesn't really look like anything. I found the MP5K, it's at 0:50. As far as I can tell this just confirms the SPAS-12 is pump, the MP5K is the SMG, and the other sniper is the JNG-90, which I'd never heard of before. Also, they updated the "AUG" to "AUG A3" since the last trailer :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:45, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
::::Yeah, I'm pretty content with the weapons selection now that we've pretty much seen all of them. I'm kind of hoping that the SPAS-12 is both pump-action and semi-auto, though.
:::::From the press release: ''•Earn 10 new weapons and bring them back to the base game including: 1.AUG Assault Rifle, 2.SCAR Assault Rifle, 3.ACW-R Carbine, 4.MTAR-21 Carbine, 5.M417 Sniper Rifle, 6.JNG-90 Sniper Rifle, 7.L86LSW Machine Gun, 8.LSAT Machine Gun, 9.M5K Tactical Machine Pistol, 10.PAS-12 Shotgun'' [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 06:18, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

:Good, the SCAR-L is an AR and the ACR is a carbine, that's what I was hoping for, and the only thing we didn't know for sure. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:29, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

== SIG SG 553 ==

Do you ever see the charging handle of the SG 553, as I'm wondering whether it is genuinely an SG 553 or a mislabelled SG 552 (charging handle is the only deffinite difference). The gun picture is actually a mislabelled SG 552. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:20, 26 April 2012 (CDT)
:You can look at the right side of weapons in-game by putting them on a bipod and rotating them. What exactly is the definitive difference between the 552 and 533, other than the RIS? --[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 19:07, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

== MP7A1 ==

No matter how many times I look at, or just think of, the MP7 rounds ''this'' big I have hilarity induced seizures. Thanks for the unending joy, but I am suing you for giving me epilepsy. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 11:35, 27 April 2012 (CDT)

...what?
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 01:13, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

One of the screen shots for the MP7 shows the reload animation without a magazine, so the animation looks like the player is gesturing how big the bullets would be.--[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 01:26, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

:It's pretty funny, as are a lot of the other ones. Whoever does those captions, I don't know if it's everyone or one really funny person, but thank you :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:52, 28 April 2012 (CDT)

== Missing Screenshots ==

So I noticed we're still missing a in game screenshots of some of the BtK weapons. I loaded up fraps and snapped a few of the ones I have unlocked. I'm missing the QBU-88 QBZ-95B the L96 and the MK3A1, but I have a few good shots of the rest. Screwed up catching images of some of the charging animations though. Also, the charging animation on the L85 looks like it's just smacking the cheek rest. Photo album is here: [http://imgur.com/a/j38Rv] I'll let someone more senior that me decide which photos to add, it's been a while since I edited a wiki. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 09:29, 30 April 2012 (CDT)
:That is correct for an L85, there is a bolt release catch underneath the cheek rest on the left side of the gun. When you empty a magazine the bolt will lock back, so you just need to change the magazine and push the catch up to chamber the first round. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:11, 30 April 2012 (CDT)
::Thanks for that Commando, info on the L85 seems hard to find. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:56, 30 April 2012 (CDT)

== PP-19 ==

Since the patch hsa changed the PP-19to be chambered in the 9x18mm Makarov, would it be at all possible to have the screenshot of the loadout screen to represent the change? It currently shows it pre-patch where its still in the 9x19mm Parabellum. I'd do it myself but I only have it for 360 and I don't know how. Thanks. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:58, 13 May 2012 (CDT)

== How do we know the M1911 in this game is an M-45 MEU(SOC)? ==

The real life picture provided shows the pistol with U.S. Army markings. How do we know the in-game M1911 is actually an MEUSOC?

:"It is a standard M1911A1 with a three-hole trigger, a Springfield slide, commander-style hammer, beavertail grip safety, Pachmayr rubber grips, and uses 8 round magazines." That's an exact match to the 1st-gen MEUSOC pisotls. As for why it has army markings, it was probably built on a standard Army M1911A1, but I don't know for sure. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:57, 16 May 2012 (CDT)

== Close Quarters Weapons ==

So I bought Premium, and I've unlocked a few of the guns. Uploaded some screens, and I'm gonna start adding them into the page.

I have the SCAR-L, AUG-A3, ACR, HK417, SPAS-12, L86A2. I can't unlock the MP5K or the JNG-90 until the maps are unlocked on PC, but I'll add the LSAT and MTAR-21 screens when I unlock them. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 09:05, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

Added missing screens of the L85A2, MG36, QBB-95, LSAT, MTAR-21. Still have the QBU-88 sniper rifle and the L96/G22 to add. Too tired to add them now. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:21, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

== CQ Weapons Comments ==

I was disappointed to see the ACR in the carbine kit although it's the full length version with a fixed stock. I was hoping they'd put the SCAR-L in the carbine kit instead, as the SCAR-H already is there.
I Also liked if the HK417 was in the assault kit also as a Battle rifle. THe G3A3 is the only battle rifle in the Assault kit.
Instead of the HK417 being in recon they could have put in a modernized Saiga 308 or the Mk12 SPR.
Apart from that I rather do like the DLC and the weapons. [[User:EoghanG93|EoghanG93]] 10:20, 6 June 2012 (CDT)
:I think they put the SCAR-L in the Assault kit because they needed to do a little balancing with the SCAR-H and -L. If the lower-powered one was the one with the shorter barrel, and therefore range, the higher-powered one would be chosen, whether it was in the same kit or not, because of its higher power and range. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:25, 9 June 2012 (PST)

The ACR is apparently using the 6.5 Grendel round, if the Battlelog weapon profile is anything to go by. -- Long Fallen 15:53, 8 June 2012 (CDT)
:Yeah, that's probably why it has a 26-round magazine instead of a 30-rounder. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:34, 9 June 2012 (PST)
::The damage of this gun is actually a lot different from other engineer guns. Unlike M4/AKS-74U and etc, it does less damage in close range, but it does more damage than other carbines. Is that an accrate representation of 6.5 Grendel round?? [[User:Zzang1847|Zzang1847]] 11:40, 13 June 2012 (PST)

== L86= A1 or A2? ==

On the page, it says that the L86 in-game is an A1, mislabeled as an A2. However, if that was because of the charging handle, I've heard of L85A1's and L86A1's upgraded in the field to A2 retaining their old A1 charging handle. Is there anything else that differentiates the L86A1 and A2? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:21, 9 June 2012 (PST)
:"upgraded in the field"
:You can do that? Last time I checked most of the A2 upgrades were armourer / factory level changes that can't be done by the average squaddie in the field. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 04:58, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::That's what I heard, maybe a gunsmith in the field upgraded it for the rest of the people in his squad/platoon/other organisation level in the military. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:59, 10 June 2012 (PST)

The L86 has the same charging handle as the L85 in game, if that makes a difference. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 06:04, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

Looks like it's missing the guard around the magazine catch that was added to the A2. Also, I don't know what the hell is going on [[:File:Bf3_l86a2_bolt.jpg|here.]] It's not "slapping the bolt catch" because A. The SA80 bolt release is on the other side of the weapon, and B. you can't slap it anyway. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:48, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
:That is "slapping the bolt catch", as there is a bolt release catch on the left side of the weapon just above the fire selector (where he is slapping). On SA80 weapons there is a catch on the right side behind the ejection port which you use to hold the bolt open, but there is a separate release catch on the left side. If you empty a magazine and the bolt locks back, to reload the weapon you just have the change the magazine and press the catch up to release the bolt and chamber the first round. You are correct that it doesn't have the shield around the mag release indicating that it is based on an A1 (or an inaccurate airsoft A2). Also, there were no field upgraded A2 weapons, the upgrade was carried out in a factory by H&K. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:34, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::Ah, than I guess it is an A1. Thanks, Commando. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 2:00, 10 June 2012 (PST)
:::So it's an A1 with an A2 charging handle? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:29, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Does anyone have a shot where you see the charging handle, as there are none on the main page. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:00, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
::::Edit: I just searched on youtube for some vids of it and it is very hard to see the charging handle clearly, but it is visible when you vault over things and it appears to be a standard round A1 handle rather than the comma shaped A2 handle. In fact now that I'm thinking about it, the A2 flash hider pokes upwards higher than the top of the receiver, so if it was an A2 handle you should be able to see it from the regular view anyway. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

::::: The L86 is an A1, I think? The charging handle is straight, and not the crescent/comma shaped one from the L85A2. You can see it clearly here. [[File:l86 a1 charge handle.jpg|400px|thumb|none]] [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 17:38, 10 June 2012 (CDT)
That confirms it then, just a straight L86A1. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:43, 10 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm glad that DICE seems to at least understand the difference between the A1 and A2, because the L86 in the trailer was called L86A1, and they might have changed it to A2 to rid it of the horrid reputation of the A1. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:08, 10 June 2012 (PST)

== Armoured Kill ==

New info out! Can anyone help on IDs? The AC-130 is obvious, and the Quad appears to be the BC2 one. There's a pair of Mobile Artillery, and a pair of "Tank Destroyers". I'm not that good with vehicles, but I see a tank that looks like a T-52? T-72? Something Soviet. Also, what looks like a Stryker with a huge cannon. US Mobile Artillery? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:35, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/823-ac-130-not-driveable/

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/826-battlefield-3-dlc-armored-kill-g4tv/

http://www.enterbf3.com/news/822-ac-130-plus-bandar-desert-screens/

:I think the Styker is the M1128 Mobile Gun system (unless there's another Stryker which carries a big gun), so I think that would make it one of the 'tank destroyers'. I don't think the tank is a T-72, the hull doesn't look right. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

The Russian vehicle looks like a 2S25 Sprut airborne tank destroyer. --[[User:AK-74Fan|AK-74Fan]] 10:45, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

::I believe you're both right. I looked up the Sprut, it's basically a BMD-3 with a tank cannon, which matches the Stryker nicely. That gives us our two tank destroyers, so we have yet to see either mobile artillery vehicles yet. EDIT: BF Wiki says that's right, and that the MA are the M142 HIMARS and the BM-21 Grad. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:19, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

There was a teaser video for the Battlefield 3 premium release that showed the wire outlines for the Grad and the HIMAR but no action video unless you count the Grads in the Single player mission called "Thunder run" I think. Also the box art for the armoured kill expansion shows a H-60 Blackhawk so that might be included as well. -[[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

:Nah, the Blackhawk's just on the box art again. Premium confirms we know everything, 20 guns, 10 vehicles. 10 guns in Karkand and 10 in CQB. Three vehicles in Karkand, six in Armoured Kill, plus the motorcycle in End Game. That's everything. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:22, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:: Wait, so we're not getting any new weapons in Armored Kill? I thought DICE said we were getting 10 new guns in each expansion? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 12:31, 16 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Well, there's rumoured Mk 14, but as far as I know, no. They said 20 guns, that's 10 in Karkand, 10 in CQ. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:36, 17 July 2012 (CDT)

::That explains it, when I saw the 10 vehicles I forgot about the ones from Karkand and thought 10 new vehicles. I thought it was seemed out of place for an Army Blackhawk when the Marine UH-1Y is already in the game. That bugged me in BF2. [[User:Insertjjs|Insertjjs]]

== ACR in 6.5mm Grendel? ==

Hi, I just wonder that the expected caliber for the ACR is 6.5*39mm Grendel. Can please somebody explain this exception to me?

U used to expect 6.8*43mm SPC, because of the capacity of 26 Bullets in the STANAG Shaped Magazine.

The usual STANAG Shape Capacity of the 6.8 SPC is around 25 and the 6.8mm SPC base diameter in 10,72 cm. The Grendels base diameter in 11,15, so I expect a lightly smaller Mag Capacity.

And isn't it more explicable that Remingtron delivers his own weapons in its own caliber first?

By the way, this is not a fixed opinion but more like a thought, that we might say that the 6,8 SPC is a possible caliber to. [[User:RRT877|RRT(//]] 10:52, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:Copied directly from Battlelog- ''This adaptive combat rifle features a number of recent rifle designs and acts as a lightweight, feature heavy, rifle platform. '''Using the modern, recoil-reducing “Grendel” round,''' as well as being built to endure rough weather conditions and capable of utilizing standard STANAG magazines, this rifle is equipped to fill many of the roles required by both military and law enforcement uses.'' However, the ammunition specs say ''30 rounds [5.56x45mm NATO]''.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:16, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
::Well, the "ACR 6.8" in MW3 also had a 30-round capacity and it was using PMags. Developers don't really care about stuff like this being real. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:38, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:::Infinity Ward, sure, but DICE puts way more effort into making their games realistic.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 17:37, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

I have the ACR unlocked, and the mag curve definitely isn't 5.56x45. If you guys want I can grab a screenshot of it to clear it up? [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 17:08, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm thinking that DICE originally intended to make it in 5.56, but changed the model to 6.8 and forgot to update the Battlelog specs.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 17:37, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

:Well regardless of their first intention, I say we go off the magazine curve. Which is here[http://i.imgur.com/7zNVl.jpg] [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:10, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

::I wasn't suggesting that we should go off of their first intention, but rather trying to figure out why Battlelog is so drastically different from the in-game model (which is clearly a 6.8)--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 18:30, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
:::I don't think they pay as much attention to battelog. The QBZ-95B and QBU-88 were both listed as the wrong caliber, and the assignment images are all over the place. According to it's Assignment image, the Mk3A1 is chamber in .223 remington. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:33, 18 June 2012 (CDT)

Thank to you for clearing this. So Our Point is:

Model: 6,8 SPC
Battlelog: 5,56mm / 6,5 Grendel
Stats: 6,5 Grendel

Would you sight this? [[User:RRT877|RRT877]] 11:29, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

== Two questions ==

1. Do all of these bullpup weapons actually have bolt releases? I guess other games like Rainbow Six have kinda drilled me on using the charging handle on weapons like the AUG and SA80
2. Is it technically incorrect for Marines to be using 240B's? I've read a few articles, as well as seen pictures of Marines with 240's equipped with the rails and heat shields characteristic of a 240 Bravo.

:I don't know about the AUG, info on the L85 is hard to come by, but from what I've found it does have a bolt catch. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:44, 18 June 2012 (CDT)
As there is a bit of confusiong and lack of information out there, I'll give a little run down on the controls.
[[File:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
The bolt handle is obvious, being the curved piece of dark plastic at the front of the bolt. The large green piece of plastic behind this is a dust cover that opens when the bolt moves back (it doesn't close when the bolt goes forward again, it has to be manually closed). Behind and below the dust cover is a small green plastic catch which is the bolt hold-open catch. The way that you are meant to use the hold open catch is to reach over the top of the weapon with your left hand, pull the bolt back with the side of your index finger, and when the bolt is fully retracted you push down on the catch with your thumb. It isn't really visible in this shot, but the safety is a cross-bolt above the trigger.
[[File:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
This isn't a great pic of the left side but it is the only one on here. The fire selector is at the bottom of the weapon, half way between the magazine and the butt pad. The lower position is "A" for automatic and the upper is "R" for repetition (semi-automatic). Just above and forward of this there is a square catch just below the cheek rest. This is the bolt release, and when the bolt is held back you pull it down to release the bolt. Not sure if just slapping it on the side would actually work, but in essence the reload animation is correct. However, just realised that the model for the L85A2 is missing the fence around the magazine relese. My guess is that they reused the receiver model from the L86A1 and just put the correct charging handle on it. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:45, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

:Ah, you push it down, okay :) Thanks for the info [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:25, 19 June 2012 (CDT)

== m-tar 21 ==

Does anyone know how the m-tar mounts accessories? The front grip doesn't appear to have any rails

:If you look at the picture in Battlelog, you can see that there are rails on the in-game model. This is not inaccurate, as rails can be mounted.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 14:00, 26 June 2012 (CDT)

== Correct Dragunov SVD? ==

I recently got the Mastery dogtag for the SVD and I think It's the correct version and not the NDM-86?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/Finncq/dogtags/245528281/ps3/

--[[User:Kona|Kona]] 10:38, 22 July 2012 (CDT)

:Looks like it is the proper one. A number of the Mastery dog tags do that, the MG36 comes to mind. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:38, 23 July 2012 (CDT)

== Mk. 14??? ==

I was reading the page, and I saw Mk. 14 Mod 0 in the Assault Rifles & Battle Rifles category. Now, naturally, I was confused, because there was no confirmed Mk. 14 in any footage of anything about the game. Then, I clicked it and was taken to its space on the page, and it said it was seen in Armored Kill gameplay in the hands of the Engineer class. First off, even if the the Mk. 14 was in the game, it wouldn't a carbine, so it was probably picked up by the Engineer. Second, DICE previously confirmed that '''there would be no new weapons in Armored Kill'''. So, that wasn't a Mk. 14, that was an M39 picked up by an Engineer. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 00:16, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

The M39 is rumored to be an all-kit weapon in Armored Kill. If they do that, I think the G3A3 should become all-kit, too, kinda like Bad Company. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 09:20, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

The M39 is a marksman rifle. It belongs in the Recon class. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 11:08, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

Let's just take it off the page. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 11:58, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

:I agree it shouldn't be on the main page yet. It was seen in video of Armoured Kill gameplay in the hands of an Engineer, as he switched to and RPG in the footage. The ammo count was 20 +1 and, though I don't remember, it may have been firing full auto. That's all we know right now. I've also heard rumours that they may add the M107 into MP, though those are compelete rumours, so don't get your hopes up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:48, 31 July 2012 (CDT)
::Could you post the link to said video? --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 11:24, 31 July 2012 (CDT)

:::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wapDDxuvhCg Here]. At 0:40, 1:10, & 1:22. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:14, 1 August 2012 (CDT)

::::Interesting...--[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 15:59, 2 August 2012 (CDT)

:::::Guys, apparently, the full-auto Mk. 14 being used by an Engineer was probably just a DICE-exclusive weapon. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 21:20, 1 September 2012 (CDT)

:::::Can anyone confirm that it was indeed a Mk 14? If it's in the game in any fashion, it should be on the page. Whether it's DICE-exclusive or publicly-usable is irrelevant. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:35, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

::::::No new info, sadly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:51, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

== Could we remove info added pre release ==

Some of the weapons have info added pre release such as the Franchi SPAS-12 as the page says it is one of the 10 guns in the UPCOMING close quarters expansion pack and plenty of others have remnants of info added pre release.--[[User:Xtremegianca|Xtremegianca]] 21:32, 2 September 2012 (CDT)

== EA/DICE "Silently" Removing DLC weapons ==

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/electronic-arts-removes-content-from-battlefield-3s-aftermath-and-end-game-dlc/

Just came across this tid-bit of information regarding Aftermath and Endgame DLC's about EA removing content from Aftermath and End Game despite the fact that previous advertising marked that an additional 10 new weapons would be provided but I'm getting mixed thoughts about this all and wanted peoples views? I personally think it's bogus, what with the new Aftermath Trailer showcasing a Crossbow as a new weapon but I've heard nothing concrete and was wondering if anyone had any idea if this is confirmed or not? [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] ([[User talk:Draco122|talk]]) 19:22, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

:The DLC hasn't been released yet, so they're allowed to add or remove anything they want from it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 01:30, 19 October 2012 (EDT)

::These two DLCs never said anything about new weapons, there were always going to be 20, and the article even admits that :/ As for the bullet points on the pictures, there's only room for four things, so they most likely decided marketing the new gamemode was better than marketing the crossbow. It's made from an HK417, by the way. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:50, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:::Actually, it's not. It's a real-life crossbow upper receiver for AR-15 platform lowers. It's called the [http://pse-archery.com/products/productdetail/part_number=01135/445.5.1.1.87663.1003538.0.0.0 PSE TAC 15]. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 19:50, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

::::Actually, Alex, the DLC originally did have new weapons, here is the original BF Premium ad, [http://bf3blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/battlefield-premium.jpg here]. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 21:03, 30 October 2012 (EDT)
:::::You'll need to upload the actual image elsewhere. The blog doesn't let you link to it --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 23:47, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

I can't upload it, I'm on an IPad. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 00:40, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== "XBOW" ==

[[File:BF3-Xbow-Render.jpg|thumb|250px]]The new Aftermath DLC is adding something called the "XBoW". Now before you say that's the PSE TAC 15, it's not. The in game render makes it pretty clear it's a homemade crossbow, and according to its description and appearance, it's built from a salvaged HK417. I've included the image for reference. Now I'm not sure what the policy is on this, but do we add this under the HK417 because it's the base for the weapon? [[User:OmgHAX!|OmgHAX!]] ([[User talk:OmgHAX!|talk]]) 20:16, 3 November 2012 (EDT)
:I was wondering about this too. Maybe make it an extra on the bottom of the main page? I think it should probably be present on the page, as after all, it does inlvove a firearm in one way or another. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:05, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::In general the Rambo Exemption applies to bows which fire explosive arrows, and otherwise it's ok to mention a bow for trivia, completeness, or if the precise make and model is known. The rule mainly exists to stop pages ending up full of "unknown bow" entries that nobody will ever fill in, and / or someone using "you allowed it there!" to make a page for something like ''Lord of the Rings''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 13:16, 26 November 2012 (EST)
:::Makes sense. Should this crossbow be added then? As it does fire explosive arrows, and it is made from a HK416/417. I think that's enough so it isn't one of those random, useless "Bow" entries. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:05, 26 November 2012 (EST)
::::I see no problem adding it, personally I'd put it under "Other weapons" at the very bottom with the heading as '"Xbow" (Converted HK417)' [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 02:53, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:::::I'll grab a few shots of the XBOW when I get my graphics card back. I'll dig up some of the pre-release info too, which talked about how the XBOW was made out of car parts. [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] ([[User talk:Nikonov|talk]]) 13:54, 12 December 2012 (EST)
Here's the Battlefield Wikia page on the XBOW. http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/XBOW
Apparently it is based on the HK 417 and fires four different kind of bolts: Standard, HE (Which does less damage than an RPG), Scan (Which scans a 10m area for enemies, the bolt itself does the same amount of damage as a single 5.56 round.) and the Balanced (Which has longer range but does less damage.) --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] ([[User talk:Bad Boy|talk]]) 17:09, 9 December 2012 (EST)

== Operation Guillotine ==

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a clue as to why the game developers gave the US Marines H&K UMPs on this level? The Marines in your squad and the rest of Misfit during the human wave charge down Mount Ridiculous are armed with M16s, but once you hop the wall every Marine has a UMP. Now, don't get me wrong, I understand no Marine is issued an M16A3, but UMPs? I don't think even MARSOC nor Marine Security Something Or Another is armed with UMPs. Just a thought.
[[User:Miyazawa|Miyazawa]] ([[User talk:Miyazawa|talk]]) 19:00, 30 November 2012 (EST)Miyazawa

-------- It's a game and DICE wanted to give the Marines some UMPs. Of course someone's gonna come along and say "it's 2014, maybe the USMC adopted the UMP between 2011 and 2014." Just stop over thinking it. --[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 16:53, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Call of Duty: Black Ops II

2012-11-15T22:14:07Z

CommanderLukas: /* Realism */

'''MAIN PAGE CONTENT NOTE: Only ''officially released'' images will be permitted. Leaked images, even if publicised elsewhere, are not permitted. This rule is not negotiable.'''

'''TALK PAGE CONTENT NOTE: Do not post lists of weapons you hope to see in the game. They will be deleted.'''

== Button mashing ==
Anyone else hate the useless button mashing sequences, I have died about 30 times under that horse by now, just waiting for that idiot to figure out a human can't life a horse hehe. Why do they put them in shooters anyway? --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 11:52, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Urmmm... And how's that relevant to this page? You're just raging at the game xD --[[User:Alisha161fishy|Alisha161Fishy]] ([[User talk:Alisha161fishy|talk]]) 17:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)

== The Newest Joke? ==
Why put up a IMFDB page of this game when it looks clearly like a waste of money - Anonymous User

Because I am loking forward to this game, and cheevo hunting. Besides I am the only biotic organism that plays CoD for the SP and not the multi (well, except for split-screening with my girlfriend). Anyways, I like Call of Duty, and I think this will be cool, and I cannot wait to see what new weapons they will have. - [[User:1morey]] May 6, 2012 8:58 AM (EST)

Because we hate you, that's why. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:44, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

:And ''he sucks'' and we hate him. :P [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:30, 9 June 2012 (CDT)

Sorry [[User:1morey|1morey]], but you are not the only "biotic organism" who buy CoD only for the SP campaign XD [[User:Lone Soldier|Lone Soldier]]

I too like to play CoD single player campaigns. I dabbled a little in MP here and there, but don't really understand what all the fuss is about. If only the developers put in as much time and effort into the SP nowadays, like they used too :( --[[User:Ultimagameboy|Ultimagameboy]] 19:12, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

== XM8? ==
http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/20120501-070805.jpg

Weapon in the pic looks like a modified XM8 [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks like the hybrid ACR from RE6 --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:31, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Looks to just be like a space gun... It "resembles" a XM8 and an ACR, but looks like the SCAR from Crysis. It's just a future weapon. [[User:Halorocka888|Halorocka888]] 16:40, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

To be more specific,it appears to be the Malaysian variant of the XM8,the Malaysian variant has no built in scope like on the ones designed for the U.S Army,but a rail instead.however it has extra features of weapons such as the ACR, which Treyarch probably to give their own artistic touch to make it look unique and futuristic.[[User:Ziess|Ziess]] 22:41, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

In the description, someone wrote that it is based on the M41A1 pulse rifle from Aliens. How? Why? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:52, 5 July 2012 (CDT)

No response to why somebody say the rifle was based on the Pulse Rifle from Aliens? Also is it me or does the firepower of this gun seem a bit weak? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:34, 14 November 2012 (EST)

== Future Warfare ==
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The game is set in near future, rumours say it's in 2027. [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 15:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

That's what we've been needing. More future crap. ~ACE

Call Of Recon: Ghost Ops --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 15:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Well, I've given up on the series now that being on top of five grenades when they go off doesn't kill people.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 16:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

:Givern how CoD does with real weapons, watching them making up weapons should be eight kinds of hilarious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:10, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

its been confirmed to be set in the year 2025,i would imagine a mixture of real weapons,and Treyarch-created mashups will be included[[User:Ziess|Ziess]] 22:28, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

As long as we get (have) to shoot hundreds of rounds full auto at each quadrupedal robot it will apparently be awesome. I hope bullets have no effect on enemies until they suddenly die also. ~ACE

:I don't know, as long as the robots acknowledge being hit, a linebreaker enemy that stops you getting bogged down in one place can be good. ''Resistance: Fall of Man'' had enemies which would use their superior hitpoints (3+ headshots on normal for grunts with the basic rifles) to advance under fire while firing from the hip, which meant they ''didn't'' have to spam grenades at you constantly to stop you staying in one place (also they had Steelheads with guns that shot through walls to help them with that). It actually made the firefights rather more interesting than the headshot = dead standard. Though they at least reacted to being shot (flinched but kept running), it wasn't like ''STALKER'' where enemies were either alive or dead and wouldn't acknowledge any state in between (which in ''Clear Sky'' where they jacked up Bloodsucker HP ridiculously meant you weren't actually sure you were even hurting them).

:In general enemy variety is a huge weakness for modern shooters, since almost everything is 'man with gun.' If they do this ''right'' it could actually have far more varied firefights. Or they'll just have it invincible until you find the glowing rocket launcher Private Dies In An Inconvenient Place dropped, which seems more likely all things considered. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

::Dual wielding Javelins. ~ACE

== Come On ==

There is NOTHING warranting a page for this yet. All of you fanboys need to drop your cocks and have a little patience. Would any IMFDB mods put up with this for any other page or project with the same amount of leaked content, being 1, maybe 2 usable pictures? No way; this whole thing strikes me as ridiculous. If there's nothing concrete worth putting on the main page, stick to the Treyarch forums. It's insane how quickly the COD community jumped onto it on IMFDB. It's fucking preposterous to discuss ONE PICTURE for a WHOLE GAME THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED YET. Please, fanboys, calm down, and don't get ahead of yourselves. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 16:38, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Finally someone who agrees with me. --[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]

I can't disagree [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:18, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

The game has been officially announced, there are several pictures on CallofDuty.com --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 17:47, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Plus, a trailer is coming out today [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:29, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

Trailer released, and I can already see inclusions in the form of the M249. --[[User:Jusuchin|Jusuchin]] 19:21, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

== Trailer Weapon Spots ==

Weapon spots from the trailer that I found in the new trailer: at 0:30 there is a M134 Minigun (future-ized) mounted on a four legged combat drone, 0:43 there is a tank drone that appears to have a Metal Storm weapon mounted on its left (our right), 1:09 there is a future pistol (seems unrelated to any real world firearm), 1:11 there is a future-ized XM8, 1:18 there is an M16 (which model can't tell though length suggest it is a full length barrel and has 20 round magazine), 1:27 there what appears to be an M249 SAW (or M240), 1:31 there is a soldier with a balaclava firing a bullpup short barreled weapon that bears resemblance to the QBZ-95, at 1:31 or 1:32 (very easy to miss) there is a soldier being blown away holding an AK variant and by the looks of the handguard and flash hider it is an AN-94, at 1:34 in horseback solders are armed with WWII bolt action rifles, at 1:36 the technical is armed with a Dshk hmg, 1:44 hard to make out but rider on the right has an AK pattern weapon, likely an AK-47 since it looks like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, 1:48 unknown shotgun. That's all I found for now. --[[User:DaiTaNam|DaiTaNam]] 21:03, 1 May 2012 (CDT)
:I have an intuition that the M16 might (and I have empathize this, ''might'') be an A1 variant or a faux XM16 judging solely from silhouette of the upper receiver. The SAW apparently has an Mk 48 Mod 1 styled heat shield and handguard but that doesn't really mean anything, considering how the franchise loves to mix and match different variants. Weapon at 1:32, on the other hand, is ''definitely'' an AN-94. At least in aesthetic terms.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 01:03, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:: Isn't it "Kriss USA" instead of "TDI" now?[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 08:04, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:::Possibly, but KRISS ALLCAPS TACTICOOL ARMS is a stupid title and they were TDI first. They only changed it because they've belatedly discovered the mil-spec subgun market is a ghost town if you're not an MP5 and they're only ever going to sell Vectors to mall ninjas. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 14:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

==Designated Arguing/Complaining Area==
Before this discussion page turns to chaos like all the other CoD talk pages, let's open up a designated complaint zone. I know many people want to offer their negative opinions about the game, so if you don't have any real discussion topics please post in subheadings here. Hopefully this will allow people who want to actually discuss the game rather than arguing or whining to avoid these comments and have an actual discussion.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

===What is this going to be like===
I have looked at the trailer several times. This is how I think the games success is going to be. A: It will be a huge hit and sell millions of copies like all other COD games or B: It is going to be a complete and total disaster and there will never be another COD game made again in our lifetimes. I find from what I learned from the plot line details that has been released that it is going to feature what the first Black Ops did, except that the flashbacks will be set in the 1980's and the present 2025. I am wondering how Treyarch is going to do that. This will be a very curious COD game that I will be wondering about UNTIL it comes out.--[[User:Coltmth|Coltmth]] 21:58, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

===Wow...===
I'll start off by saying the obvious- this game looks stupid. I mean, why jump from the 60's to the 2020's? I could see the futuristic idea that they were trying for, but this looks like a Ghost Recon rip-off. I have just lost what little respect I had for Treyarch. As more details become availiable, I might change my mind, but first impressions are not good. As with any game, if it is fun I will play it.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:51, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

I've lost respect for the Call of Duty franchise after Infinity Ward broke up [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:35, 1 May 2012 (CDT)

After at least one failed Soviet aggression in the late 60s, failed invasion of the Eastcoast US, ''failed'' (third time's the charm, right?) invasion of continental Europe within the last three games alone, you'd think the US at least would just get used to getting attacked on a major scale by this point.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 01:09, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

:Well they have, it's pretty clear from MW2 that Russia tries to nuke the US so often in this universe that they didn't even bother with a counter-launch since that would just encourage them. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:11, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I can't believe how generic they managed to make their new take on the series. Evil robots, mechs on four legs and choppers with unnecesserly many features. It's basically the same as every futuristic game. On top of it the game looks awful, name doesn't make sense, it looks more over-the-top than MW3. Could Treyarch have mistaken May 1 for April 1? This either is a joke, or will become one.--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 05:46, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

What the hell were Treyarch thinking? I was seriously hoping too see what happened to Hudson, Weaver and Mason in Operation Charybdis and maybe if we would get to see how Price started his career. It is often better to go back to basics than too go forward complications. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]
:What made you so sure that Price was going to be in this game?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:45, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:Modern Warfare is set in a different continuity, and they even wanted to spin it off into an entirely separate franchise. The Call of Duty label was stuck on by Activision as a way of marketing it. Price won't be appearing because he doesn't exist. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

:From what I've read on CoD wiki and heard, 1/3 of the game will take place in the 80s and the rest in 2025--[[User:Gran28|Gran28]] 09:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

: @ The Wierd It - the 'intel' at the ending of the final story mission of Black Ops suggest that Mason is being hunted by an SAS team in South Africa lead by a young operative called 'Jonathan' which many people have taken to mean a very young Captain Price [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]
::I think it's very unlikely that they'll have any crossovers between the WaW/BO and MW universes. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 10:47, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
::I know that. I'm wondering where the leap in logic came that took people from one of the more common first names in the English language to "this is obviously meant to be Price". [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 15:36, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
:::Well, it's positively rational compared to the kind of logical gymnastics that some rumour threads get. "I performed a series of random mathematical actions on this Valve press release and made the number 3! Episode 3 confirmed!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:59, 2 May 2012 (CDT)
The first thing I thought when I saw the trailer was that this game was CoD attempting to piggyback on the whole idea of Metal Gear Solid 4. Then I saw the horse sequences and realized I was actually watching an Uncharted 3 trailer. --[[User:K|K]] 19:51, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

I honestly like the way it's going now. I liked Black Ops better than Modern Warfare because it went to a setting not commonly covered (especially in big-budget titles) and had some more interesting segments than just running through an urban environment shooting dozens of AK-toting terrorists or Russians. I'm interested in seeing how Black Ops II progresses now that they're able to create their own technology (no worries of anachronisms or errors). It's a refreshing change of pace from generic World War II and modern day "realistic" shooters. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 22:22, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

@ The Wierd It - Ok mate, fair enough I might have jumped the gun. But on what we know from the intel in Black Ops and the character of Price in the MW franchise, ("promising SAS solider named Jonathan" also referred to as Price in the french Black Ops) - basing it on that knowledge, see why I jumped the gun? However, they brought Woods back for this one, when we were all sure he was dead, what's too say a very young Price won't be featuring in this game? [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]

:I still love COD4, great game, but now I refuse to play anything after it. I did play through MW3's story to see the ending, and the MW series' ''story'' is pretty good, but the 2 and 3's gameplay is soooooo bad. In every single mission except one, you start with a reflex sight on your gun in MW3. The other mission you have a pistol. I'm gonna follow this page just to see how bad they can make it. I find it really funny how Halo and Mass Effect have guns (and tech) that are more realistic than MW2/BO/MW3/BO2. Hell, not just more realistic, Halo and ME's weapons ''actually make sense''. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:23, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

It looks like the US got some help from the Combine with those 4 propeller gunships they have. Maybe we might see an AR1 or a Strider? :D [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:12, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

===My two cents on the matter===
Ok... well, first off, I'll admit that I am a fan of CoD. But from the first glance of this trailer, I think that Activision needs it's old management back, and fire the current management along with Robert Kotick.

Seriously Robert? This is what Black Ops II is going to be? A pseudo-futuristic first person shooter with player-driven choices thrown into the mix?

I was expecting that the next Call of Duty was going to be the inevitable Black Ops II (and if not that, then maybe something different for a change like making the game about a war that many people have forgotten about, like World War I or the Korean War, cause World War II and Vietnam get WAY too much attention). but I was expecting it to dive into details about Black Ops operations in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s when the United States got involved in conflicts during those years AFTER the Vietnam war (a.k.a., Grenada, Panama, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Gulf War I, Bosnian conflicts, etc.). But really, THIS is the best idea that your workers came up with? Some cyberwar between China and the United States?

Ok, from what I've read, there will be some throwbacks to the 1980s in this game, but adding in player-driven choices which affect the outcome of the game is a bad idea. I play Call of Duty for mindless entertainment and for shooting things, not to play over and over for making different moral decisions every time to get all the endings of the game! If I wanted a first person shooter with that theme, I'd go play Fallout 3. (Speaking of which, do you think we're really that stupid to notice that you guys stole "The Vault" name?)
: A video game uses the word "Vault" to refer to a location. Must have been stolen from Fallout, since they invented....the English language? [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

As for the weapons... you guys do realize that MANY of these weapons are either still on the drawing board, in the prototype stages, canceled (*cough* XM8 *cough*), or being tested in LIMITED numbers, and that we might not be seeing ANY of them in any future war by the year 2025... right?

it isn't even an xm8, i don't know how it could be a wrong choice for a gun if the gun itself isn't actually a real concept of any kind, its just a futuristic-looking gun designed by treyarch, and what would firing bobby kotick actually do it wouldn't change any of the games because he doesn't make any desicions regarding them, he worries about the money side e.g. the budget, the advertisement.
also the creators of fallout didn't actually invent the word vault so i don't really know what the pointless rant was for.--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 02:48, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

In the game it's called an M8A1. It's definitely the XM8. It's Treyarch doing what they do. Being creative with things that shouldn't have creativity added. [[User:DJCDavisDubstep|DJCDavisDubstep]] 16:25, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

Well... maybe I might give this game a chance when it comes out. But seriously, if this is what all future Call of Duty games are going to follow from this point onward, then I will stick with the older ones instead. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 22:20, 2 May 2012 (CDT)

Hey, thanks to the video game industry, one would think that there may be a chance that the project will get cancelled like many games before it... unfortunately since the Call Of Duty franchise pops out games like a mother rabbit the future seems bleak...
--[[User:Mikethepanda|Mikethepanda]] 01:44, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure the game will still have all the mindless shooter nonsense that makes them millions and spawns dozens of poor imitations, but the addition of branching storylines and sandbox gameplay at least makes things more interesting. The Call of Duty formula stagnated with Modern Warfare 2, as it showed that it was little more than repeating the same basic formula with minor changes that add less new content than the average DLC pack. Black Ops at least tried to break from the mold a bit with the helicopter sequences (a throwback to the old games' vehicle segments) and the protagonist not suddenly losing his voice when you look through his eyes. I'm proud of Treyarch for trying to actually do something different and make an interesting game instead of following Infinity Ward and Activision's lead and just making a clone of Black Ops with some new weapons and tweaking the multiplayer. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] 17:51, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

== M16A1? ==

Link to image

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also the futuristic M4: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120502191412/callofduty/images/5/53/20120502-084241.jpg

The 'futuristic' M4 in the link above appears to be based upon the GR4 G26 airsoft rifle manufactured by Guay & Guay. Shown here for comparison: http://www.titano-shopping.com/immagini/Prodotti/Big/GR4_G26_DST

Yes it looks like that... It's not the first time CoD takes from airosft the looks for the guns

I wouldn't be surprised if they just used that futuristic looking gun for the photoshoot for the poster and it doesn't appear at all in the game itself. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 07:32, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

All those links are broken. Also I saw the recent trailer and the sillohuotte images of the M16 does look like an A1 from the handguard but the pop up trailer on gametrailers.com called it a classic M4 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:51, 4 May 2012 (CDT)

:Classic? It was an M4 before there were any M4s. That's a hipster M4 if there ever was one... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:43, 5 May 2012 (CDT)

Speaking of the M16A1, why are we given the A1 in the game. The story mission where the weapon was recommended took place in 1989 in Panama. The standard mag looks like a 20 rounder and it was called the A1. By the 80s, the US Army had already started using 30 round mags and replaced the A1 with the A2. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:33, 14 November 2012 (EST)

== Rename ==

Shouldn't the page be renamed to "Call of Duty: Black Ops II". With the Roman numerals, because that's what all official material lists it as. - [[User:1morey]] May 5, 2012 8:59 AM (EST)

:Naw, since that would put it out of order when they inevitably make Black Ops 3. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:08, 6 May 2012 (CDT)

::A note could be made in the first paragraph though. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:36, 7 May 2012 (CDT)

::Or the page could simply be named correctly. Who care if the games aren't listed in order of release. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 14:17, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

== AK variant during horse scene ==

Recently revealed production images of Black Ops 2 not only show how seriously Treyarch is taking the precise animation of horses but also that the AK variants they are carrying are actually mo-capped TOYS:
http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2012/05/Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops-II-Horse-Motion-Capture-2.jpg

:Ha, that's the most obvious airsoft horse I've ever seen. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:40, 21 May 2012 (CDT)

== Bulldog Assault Rifle ==

Trailer from BO2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr0Z3RsOmlo

looks like the assault rifle from distric 9 use by the bad guys

:Looks like a futuristic QB rifle variant to me.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 06:34, 22 May 2012 (CDT)

::The name "Type 25" has been mentioned. Could that be it?

:::Most likely is. In fact, it almost definitely is, but we can't actually confirm that until the game comes out. Also, remember to sign your posts. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 05:46, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

== Preview ==

A preview mentions the Type 95 and Keltec KSG by name. Will wait for screens.
http://www.nowgamer.com/xbox-360/xbox-360-previews/1388343/black_ops_2_campaign_eyeson_with_two_levels_protect_potus_singapore.html

Well hopefully it's the real Type 95 and not the Type 97 misnamed [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:20, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

== Black Ops 2 Behind the Scenes E3 trailer ==

The new Behind the Scenes BO2 trailer released at E3 shows a couple of guns, most notably a sniper rifle at 3:18
Link to trailer: http://youtu(dot)be/GElKpJLvKLc
:2:08, what looks like a Galil SAR, 2:41, possible MM1 grenade launcher [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 05:37, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

In another behind the scenes trailer, there's a KRISS Vector.--[[User:Mikethepanda|Mikethepanda]] 15:03, 6 June 2012 (CDT)

== There's a reason the Vector is called a K10 ==

Apparently, at SHOT Show 2011, a newer, improved, slightly more compact variant of the Vector with a telescoping stock was revealed, called the K10.
Here's the source:
:http://www.defensereview.com/kriss-k10-super-v-vector-xsmg-submachine-gun-smg-product-improvedupgraded-multi-caliber-subgun-for-special-operations-forces-sof-and-close-quarters-battle-cqb-applications-shot-show-2011-phot/

It does look slightly different from the Vector, though:
:http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_1.jpg
:http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/KRISS_K10_.45ACP_Submachine_Gun_2.jpg
--[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 9:45, 6 July 2012 (PST)

== LAPD Shotgun ==

I don't really think that we can call the fact that the LAPD officers are using the KSG incorrect, since the game takes place in the future. Apparently in the time the game takes place, we will have flying, fighting robots, so it's not too hard to imagine that the LAPD could have switched shotguns. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 11:02, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 9:48, 6 July 2012 (PST)

::Well after talking to some cops, it really depends on the department to say what an officer can have in his car. A lot can get their own personal shotguns in their car after qualifying with it. Not sure about a KSG, but it's possible if approved [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 18:22, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Yeah, it would probably be even more likely to be in use since the game takes place in the future. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 4:25, 10 July 2012 (PST)

== The Unknown Shotgun ==

The unknown shotgun is actually the Storm PSR (the ridiculous X-Ray Railgun thing), if you look closely at Harper's vest the white dot is from the scope, and it's also been stated by Treyarch that the Storm PSR has three barrels.... --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 21:20, 6 July 2012 (CDT)

== Gameplay footage ==

Well folks, here's a video from E3 showcasing the extended gameplay of Black Ops 2, and what might be expected in the game when it's released: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTtsn2Srm3E] --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

== AN-94 in segment taking place in the 80's? ==

It seems to me that part of the trailer the AN-94 appears in takes place in one of the 80's segments of the game. I shouldn't be surprised, but seriously, this seems like an even bigger anachronism than usual, even though it's not. Anyone else thinking the same? --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 2:57, 10 July 2012 (PST)

:You never know just because it was seen in the desert doesn't mean its in the 80's segment of the game.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]

::That's not what I meant, I just meant if it was part of the main 2025 story line of the game, there probably would have been '''some''' kind of future technology. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 3:14, 10 July 2012 (PST)

Oh yeah, it'll be anachronistic, no doubts there. This is Treyarch, after all. Do you think you'll be seeing anything (non-explosive) from the 20th Century in the future setting? I don't.--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 18:28, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:Yeah, I have no doubt there'll be TONS of anachronisms in the 80's parts. I think the QBZ-97 was in the future part, so that's one thing from the 20th century in the future setting. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 4:41, 10 July 2012 (PST)

::I did not see it, are you talking about the fictional Type 25, or did i miss it?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 18:46, 10 July 2012 (CDT)

:::Go on the page, there'll be a QBZ-97, and then it'll say "Type 25" somewhere else on the page. --[[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]]-- 5:24, 10 July 2012 (PST)

==SCAR-L :)==

http://k31.kn3.net/D8EA00866.png

Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QP3_8y8uzk

:I'm afraid the picture link doesn't work, but the rifle that appears 1:45 is most definitely a SCAR-H. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 13:05, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

== IMFDB's Fault ==

Does anyone think that the fact that this game takes place in the future is partly our (IMFDB's users) fault. I bet someone working for Treyarch saw the IMFDB page for Black Ops and how the anachronistic guns are criticized, and thought, "We're anachronistic, are we? Well let's see about being anachronistic when the game takes place over a decade in the future!" --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 12:46, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

That's.... something to think about for awhile and if they did then either 3arc will be more accurate with the guns or make the guns worst than the first time.[[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 12:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

I don't know why it's such a big deal to everyone, just treat the "game" as a "game" and play it; there are too many over-opinionated comments with the words I DON'T LIKE IT, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE IT LIKE I WANTED IT!!! WAAAAHHH
--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 16:52, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

To be fair you do know where you are right? [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 17:12, 18 July 2012 (CDT)

Nah, I highly doubt that anyone at Treyarch or Activision has taken the time to read up about their videogames being featured on this site, and the legit or unnecessary complaints people have made about their past games. IMFDB has been a growing name in the film industry for a while now and this site is often browsed and looked into by those who have made or acted in the films featured on here and many of the administrators (the ones who work in the industry) can vouch for that. But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 18:44, 20 July 2012 (CDT)

You do realize that I meant this as a joke, right? --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:07, 21 July 2012 (CDT)

"But for the gaming industry viewing our site? That's kinda hard to tell or to prove because we really don't have any members on here who work in the gaming industry (although I could be wrong) who can vouch for that."

I see where you're getting at, but I want to make a point. I was hoping for a bunch of weapons to be in CoJ 3. And more than a handful of them were in the game (or a variant of the weapon). Just to make this clear, I am an admin for the CoJ Wiki, and we have connections to Techland. And I had posted links to the IMFDB CoJ pages on the fan page for CoJ on Facebook (Which Techland frequents).
I was hoping for a Skorpion, Benelli M4, SW Model 29, FN FAL, M72 LAW, and FN Five-seveN. They were in the game.
I was hoping for a Uzi (Instead, a Mini Uzi), A Sig-Sauer (Instead a SIG Mosquito), Remington 700 ( Instead a Remington M24), MP5 variant (The game had a MP5A2), AR-15 variant (The game had a HK416), Mossberg 500 variant (The game had a Mossberg 500A Field Gun). Now I'm not saying Techland read the page and said "Ph hey, this 1morey guy wants to see these weapons, let's answer his request." That's not what I am saying at all, but I wouldn't doubt they read the page, and used the list as "inspiration". Another user had wanted a Steyr AUG A3. That was a cut weapon.

Anyways, back on topic. I don't doubt some video game companies use this site as inspiration, but if I had to pick one, I would say Infinity Ward, EA, and Treyarch probably don't look at this site at all, I think they just watch a bunch of movies, or see what other games have. - [[User:1morey]] August 7, 2012 3:10 PM (EST)
I mean if this isn't a coincidence, I don't know what is.

== Multiplayer Reveal Trailer ==

The new trailer for the multiplayer of BO2 just went up, showing a plethora of new weapons: -killerkirill, 19:13 GMT, 07/08/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrOpWYsp3L8&feature=g-u-u

:Well, the good thing at least is that the main page will be considerably shorter and easier to maintain. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 14:28, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Taurus Raging Bull/Dan Wesson???, barrett/steyr sniper?/ Mechem NTW?, SRM Arms Model 1212/1216?, Remington MSR? and lots, lots more. :~P --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 17:04, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

This game is going to be worse than Crysis for people coming up with contrived "hybrid" explanations for the guns. That shotgun does look pretty close to a SRM Arms Model 1216 though, even looks like the player is correctly rotating the magazine very 4 shots, never thought I would see that in a game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:25, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

i have played it safe and included the dsr-50 sniper rifle in the page, source= http://mp1st.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-07-at-1.58.00-PM-600x331.png

yellow sniper looks like the Remington MSR, an Ashbury ASW338LM, or an FN SCAR - SSR Mk.20 Mod.0 / Sniper Support Rifle with modifications including bolt action.

--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 23:30, 7 August 2012 (CDT)

Looking through screenshots in this article: [url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/362018/39-black-ops-2-multiplayer-screens-from-the-trailer/?page=1#top_banner] 
-LSAT LMG 
-AN-94 
-QCW-05 known as "Chicom QCB" 
-Kriss K-10 
-H&K XM8 is known as the "M8A1", this is very clearly seen in screencap 17. 
-"Ballista" bolt-action sniper in screencap 18- has an extremely similar first-person appearance to BF3's [[MKEK JNG-90]] 
-FN Mk.48 
-"PDW-5.7" in screencap 12, quite likely a [[P90]] variant, it looks like one, 50 round mag, plus the P90 is a PDW in 5.7 mm. Seen in pic 32 in 3rd person. 
-[[SRM Arms 1200 Series Shotguns|M1216 Shotgun]] 
-Taurus Raging Bull in screencap 12- distinctive sights and red backstrap. 
-Unknown in screencap 20 
-Screencap 25 is possibly also the "Ballista"? Looks similar but too small. 
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 13:13, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

It's the FN Ballista, a new-ish rifle designed to compete with the MSR--[[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 13:37, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

:Using steel torsion bar action and firing a 7.62mm log? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:51, 8 August 2012 (CDT)

::Thanks Recon42, I hadn't heard of the FN Ballista before. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] 16:15, 8 August 2012 (CDT)
::: For future reference: [http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF076&gid=FNG005 FNH USA's page on the Ballista].[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:36, 9 August 2012 (CDT)
::: [[:File:FNBallista.jpg|Image uploaded and ready for use.]] [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:43, 9 August 2012 (CDT)
This made me remember an interesting thing. I read Treyarch has said there will be no 1980's weapons in multiplayer, but yet the AN-94 is there. Is the information wrong or will the AN-94 not feature in the 80's?--[[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] 11:49, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

So, Treyarch is copying BF3 and letting you use iron sights on the sniper rifles, maybe that means they can actually be used to kill people in this one, since long ranged scope rifles were never very practical in the tiny maps of the COD series. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 14:40, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

even though call of duty: world at war had unscoped sniper rifles and also, Battlefield copied call of duty with ELITE/PREMIUM service and Spec-Ops mode yet this doesn't help anyone. :~P --[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] 15:18, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

I'm not saying that BF doesn't copy COD, it does, I know that and everybody else knows that. I wasn't saying , "BF is better than COD, because BF is original." The only points I was trying to make was that due to the popularity of non-scoped sniper rifles in BF3, 3arc decided to add this feature and that sniper rifle were not useful in COD multiplayer. WAW didn't really have unscoped sniper rifles, they were infantry rifles that you could mount a scope on, it's the equivalent of putting a sniper scope on an assault rifle in a game that takes place in modern times. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:09, 9 August 2012 (CDT)

== Raging Judge model ==

I think the Raging Judge that they are basing their model on based on is this one:
[[File:Taurus Raging Judge XXVII.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Taurus Raging Judge - 28 gauge]]
This is chambered in 28 gauge shotshells (which is 13.97mm or .550in for those wondering) and was unveiled in 2011 but was blocked (for valid reasons in my opinion) by the BATFE so it never entered production. Despite this, the fact that the gun in the game has a five round unfluted cylinder as opposed to the 6 round fluted cylinder on the .454 production model indicates that this was their source material. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:42, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
:So, um...Were they trying to beat the Maadi-Griffin in the stupid handgun cartridge arms race? I'm calling it, someone's going to have made a handgun that fires 20mm Hispano by 2020. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
::"A Taurus Raging Judge, identifiable by the red stripe along the handle..." Doesn't the [[Taurus Raging Bull]] have the same stripe on the grips? Is there anything else to prove that this is a Raging Judge and not a Raging Bull? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:08, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
:::It does also say "Raging Judge" in the bottom right corner of the HUD. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:21, 13 August 2012 (CDT)
::::Well, that would do it then. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:24, 13 August 2012 (CDT)

== Weapons once the game is released ==

Once the game is released, and after a few days, the page is mostly completed, should we mention for the weapons which ones are based on the actual weapons, and which ones are just "futuristic" versions of the weapon. Anyone get what I'm saying.

Like the Chicom QCB, is that really a QCW-05, or is that a futuristic gun modeled after the QCW-05? I figure the TDI Kard is a TDI Kard, because it does't really need mocked up that much, since the real-life weapon looks futuristic already. - [[User:1morey]] August 14, 2012 12:03 PM (EST)

== Weapon selection video ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fuba3mPotE

DSR-50 | SVU | Ballista

fictional M1216 | Saiga 12 | Remington M870 RCS

LSAT | QBB-95 | Mk48

Skorpion EVO A3

KARD | FNP-45 Tactical | Taurus | futurised M93R

M8A1 | SMR (futurised AUGA3?) | futurised Type 95 | SA58 | SIG556 | SCAR-H | AN-94

Milkor MGL | futurised Stinger | handheld GAU-19/A

A-10 | Commanche [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 04:53, 15 August 2012 (CDT)

== B23-R Nomenclature ==

Could B23-R stand for " Beretta 2023 Raffica"? It's very similar to other Beretta pistols, so I guess that's a reasonable guess [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] 18:42, 15 August 2012 (CDT)
:I don't think so, as to me I think it is a 1911 based pistol. The shaoe of the rear of the slide, the hammer and the trigger look very 1911-ish to me. Also, I just want to point out that the comment about the two ejection ports makes absolutely no sense. First off, I don't think it is a second ejection port, but is simply where the top of the slide has been removed showing the exposed barrel (think the Beretta 92 but with a bridge in front of the ejection area). Secondly, how would having an ejection port in front of another make it possible to eject the cartridges out the other side? The slide would have to travel back further to line the chamber up with this second ejection port for one thing which I can't see being possible. The layout of this gun is pretty standard so I don't think it will be doing anything crazy, and regardless this feature would have absolutely no utility or point in a game.

== M249 SAW and MK48 are the same ==

Look at the gas regulator plug of the so called M249 SAW. It is clearly from an Mk 48. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 17:17, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

== Can we PLEASE change it? ==

Could we please get rid of the two ejection ports bullshit from the B23-R section of the page? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 17:45, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

:If you want to change it, then change it. I doubt anyone is going to argue with you. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:59, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

::Hm, looks like someone already did. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 18:37, 16 August 2012 (CDT)

== AN-94 ==
I like the comment under the pic of the AN-94 reloading that says it has 5.56 rounds in the mag, so it could be a fictional export version. It could be, OR more reasonably, the developers decided to ignore the calibers and modeled the same cartridges in all of the assault rifles' magazines. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 12:51, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
:It's the later. And even if it happens to be the former, I doubt they would care enough to give an explanation ingame. But they stopped caring about these 'tiny details' a long time ago.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 13:52, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
::Yeah, it seems they are so many overspeculations on this page, like the how it says the B-23 is possibly a Beretta. Why, because it has the letter B, it doesn't really look like any Beretta design. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 14:43, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
:::To be honest, in my opinion the 'B23R' doesn't actually resemble, outside of it's name, any real specific pistol. It's just a chimera of different futuristic parts that fulfills the same gameplay niche as the Beretta 93R from the previous titles.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] 15:00, 4 September 2012 (CDT)
::::Sorry about that comment, I noticed the rounds were 5x56MM NATO. The part about it being an export version was unnecessary for me to write, it's much more reasonable that it's just lack of detail by the developers.
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:54, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

== Beta leak ==

I know it can't be used on the main page, but for those who are planning on playing the game and are curious about the weapons, 7 new ones were found in the leaked beta build, [http://videobam.com/RHFxv here's a video of them.] --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] ([[User talk:Ghostdigga|talk]]) 21:20, 18 September 2012 (EDT)

Ahh, the return of select-fire. Missed it from the original COD and the United Offensive expansion. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 07:52, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

Text confirms that the Taurus does actually fire the 28 gauge shotgun shells it is meant to. This surprises me, I assumed they just based the model on the wrong image. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:38, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

m27 iar, scar type lmg, and i would say the rpg was airtronic due to this pic:
look at the solider on the left

http://cdn.medialib.oxm.co.uk/screens/screenshot_30711.jpg
--[[User:Pistolpete|Pistolpete]] ([[User talk:Pistolpete|talk]]) 09:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

::Five-seveN, MTAR, M27 and FN HAMR spotted. [[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 09:17, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
http://www.charlieintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/120918a.jpg

== H&K m27 ==

On the cod wikia i found the m27 i know the hk416 m27 variant so i identified it as the actual m27 no real modification to make it look futuristic their calling it an assault rifle (facepalm) there's a picture on there I don't know to upload pictures on here though.--[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:Eh, if they're using an M27 with a 30-rounder and calling it an AR I wouldn't really call that wrong per se, since the M27 is only a SAW because the USMC is issuing it as one (much like the QJY-88 is issued as a GPMG even though it's actually an LMG). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 08:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, I agree, and most Marines that were issued it are using it as an AR, apparently, because it essentially is. Also, person above Evil Tim, please sign your name by pressing the signature button at the top or putting four of this: ~ after your name. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] ([[User talk:Jeddostotle7|talk]]) 10:18, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::: Yeah sorry i need to remember that i know how to do just forgot but i also facepalmed but its not a 30 round capacity i found that out it appears to be but its going to have a 50 round capacity granted there are 50 round AR mags but still combined with extended clip and all that other COD BS it might as well be an LMG. --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::: New footage of the m27 in the zombies gameplay trailer on top on a bus also new footage of the m1216 and the pdw 57 and what appear to be the tar 21 or QBZ-97 in the video --[[User:Blueboy1600|Blueboy1600]] ([[User talk:Blueboy1600|talk]]) 20:25, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:The M27 is not an assault rifle. It is a Squad Automatic Weapon, which can be considered as a sub-category of the machine gun group. Magazine size has nothing to do with its classification. The Minimi or RPK will not be "denoted" to an assault rifle is you use it with a 30-round STANAG/AK magazine. The M27 is the same as the FN HAMR - which is listed as a MG.... [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 05:29, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::The thing is SAW is a weapon role, not a weapon type; if you issued the M1911 to squad support gunners it would be a SAW (it would just be a terrible one). There is no mechanical reason to ''not'' call the M27 an assault rifle, just as there's no mechanical reason to not call the QJY-88 a light machine gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 05:56, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You could argue that the M27 is optimised for the SAW role by supposedly having a heavier weight barrel, but as the weight increase is only something like 40g I think this is actually a myth. I believe the only physical difference between an HK416 D16.5RS and the M27 IAR are the handguard being 11" long rather than 9" which means that the bayonet lug is also a separate piece placed further forward on the barrel rather than the HK 416 which mounts the lug on the gas block, the bolt carrier has a captive firing pin retaining pin, the fire selector is ambidexterous and the bolt handle is ambidextrous (not double sided but can be switch sides at an armourer level). None of these modifications are what I would deem to be SAW modifications, with the possible exception of the longer handguard allowing a separate vertical grip and bipod to be used more easily, so i you were classifying the weapon on its characteristics rather than role I would put it as an AR. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:28, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah.... also it looks like it has a combined bayonet lug / gas block and some sort of step in the barrel, so I would say that it is not even a real M27 but a HK416. Now *that* should definitely go to the rifles. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:07, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::Are there any images out yet of it apart from the gear screen image on the COD Wiki? From that image it also looks like it has the shorter 9" handguard used on the standard HK416 rifles. Barrel is throwing me a bit as it looks like it might have the M4 profile barrel that is on the 14.5" rifles, but in terms of length it looks like it is a 16.5" barrel which should be straight. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 08:20, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

What seems odd to me is how a heavy assault rifle/light machine gun has higher mobility than others in it's class [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] ([[User talk:Gonzaga|talk]]) 19:34, 29 September 2012 (EDT)

I found this odd too, the M27 IAR would be heavier and hence more stable in automatic fire than the other ARs, not lighter/better mobility. The barrel is somewhat confusing, it looks to be shaped after a stepped AR-15 carbine barrel but too long.
[[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 15:50, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

Question, other than markings, is there any way we can differentiate the M27 and H&K 416? -Survivalkid21

== FN HAMR ==

Along the same lines as the M27, I think the "FN HAMR" is actually just a regular SCAR that they are mis-naming. The main difference between the regular SCAR and the HAMR is the fact that the lower handguard on the HAMR is deeper to accommodate the gubbins that switches the gun from closed bolt to open bolt when the barrel gets hot. The game gun has the same lower handguard as on a regular scar, with the bottom of the rail being at the same height as the bottom of the front push pin. Also the flash hider is not the one used on the HAMR, but is instead the one from a SCAR-H. If it is the case that this a regular SCAR, do we put it in the AR category because that is what it is? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:56, 1 October 2012 (EDT)
:Yes, and now that you mention it also has the SCAR-like vent holes.I am gonna change it to SCAR-L and the M27 to HK416 too. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 07:57, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

==Pointless weapon stats==
Has anyone noticed how pointless the stats are in the COD series? Seriously these stats are so generic and so open ended to interpretation that I find it hard to compare one gun to the other. In fact I have seen two guns on the roster here alone, one of which has better stats in terms of "blocks" than the other so why would I bother using the other weapon? On top of that they dont seem to match weapon caliber to damage. Ex a MP5 should be the same damage as a Glock 17 but they arent because the Glock is a pistol and the MP5 is a SMG (I know these arent in this game just bare with me). That and why is it that from a distance (straying off topic I know) shotgun pellets seem to disintegrate completely? I love these games but Furry they need better gun designers to look into this--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 18:44, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

The weapon stats have an alarming tendency of being BLATANT LIES. Denkirson runs a xanga page with weapon stats from all the COD games since the first Modern Warfare, and noted how the stat bars in that game were occasionally inaccurate/vague (G36 being more accurate than the M4. The G36 simply has less sight sway, and is not necessarily more accurate) or outright lying (G36 being more powerful than the M4. This is untrue. Both guns have the same 30max-20min damage values.) --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] ([[User talk:HashiriyaR32|talk]]) 20:10, 1 October 2012 (EDT)

@HashiriyaR32, not only that, but I also hated how for some reason for example in COD4 how the M9 has less damage than the MP5, while they are both chambered in the same cartridge! I feel that videogames should use the caliber of the weapon to help define stats. For example the damage and range would be the same across all weapon types (because of the cartridge) but should defer in magazine size, recoil, accuracy, and reload speed. Its reasons like this why handguns are so underused in multiplayer--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 15:26, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:While "damage" can never be perfectly done in games, [[Battlefield 3]]'s weapon damages are all based of calibre. It's still a game and not a simulator, but it's one of the best out there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] ([[User talk:Alex T Snow|talk]]) 15:31, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

:@Alex T Snow, yeah, forgot about that, honestly havent played BF3 in a while but as memory serves it is more "realistic" with its weapons.--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 16:09, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

::Just FYI, an M9 should cause less "damage" than an MP5. An MP5 has a longer barrel meaning that it generates a higher muzzle velocity and hence muzzle energy (which is the simplest analogue to damage). Some stats in these games make no sense, like weapons with the same barrel length and caliber having different damages, but in this particular case they got it broadly correct. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:40, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Just found a clear example of how the weapon stats are pointless. Under the sniper rifles the two in question are the DSR 50 and the XPR 50. It clearly shows that the DSR 50 has better stats in all categories compared to the XPR 50, so the question is if there is a weapon that clearly has better stats then why should I bother using the other weapon (FYI I am a COD veteran and know that sometimes these stats have to be tested out). Anyone have any opinions regarding this example? --[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 15:17, 5 November 2012 (EST)
:That one's easy, the DSR-50 is a bolt action whereas the XPR-50 is semi-auto. I would also guess that the XPR-50 might have a large magazine based on how the weapon image looks. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 15:32, 5 November 2012 (EST)

: @Commando552, thanks for the info, I guess that does answer a little, but don't you think that they should have placed the ammunition capacity? Or at least make the distinctions more apparent? I mean J.C! I literally was using my pen on the screen trying to count each of the different squares.--[[User:Valant|A single bullet can change history]] ([[User talk:Valant|talk]]) 16:37, 5 November 2012 (EST)

==Unknown Assault Rifle==
I was watching the launch trailer for the game and I caught this gun. Not sure what it is, so any help will be hot [[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]]
[[File:Call_Of_Duty_Black_Ops_2_Unknown_Rifle.jpg|none|500px]]

:That is a Saiga 12 shotgun (according to the game). - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] ([[User talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|talk]]) 17:32, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

:Looks like an AK-12 to me http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Ak-12.jpg --[[User:Doom-generation|Doom-generation]] ([[User talk:Doom-generation|talk]]) 20:43, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

::And while it is indeed a super tactical, commando grade, hand made for the operators by the dwarves of Moria, it is just a Saiga with aftermarket HK style back sights and rails slapped on like there's no tomorrow. But that's hardly the most worrisome thing by now.--[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 02:30, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

::: Well, honestly, I think it would be dumber to have an elite operator using a plain weapon than a modified one like that. Especially since in this game you actually get to use side rails (with Laser Sights, though I think that's it), the 4-sides rails system doesn't seem exaggerated like in the past ones. [[User:Gonzaga|Gonzaga]] ([[User talk:Gonzaga|talk]]) 21:09, 1 November 2012 (EDT)

::::Certainly so, although I am baffled by the decision as to why decided to make it look so 'westernized' (HK sight, rails more typical for aftermarket then modern military use... etc.) if it's a (I assume) firearm of the opposing force. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 08:16, 5 November 2012 (EST)

:::::Well Russian special forces (and police) have been known to put American aftermarket parts (Magpul stocks, EOTechs, stuff like that) on their weapons, but I don't think they'd go extreme with it though. Example: [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/0_848ce_a_11e_10bb_orig-tfb.jpeg M4 style stock] --[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] ([[User talk:Ghostdigga|talk]]) 17:51, 5 November 2012 (EST)

== Live action trailer just released ==

So... now there's a live action trailer for Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, and it looks pretty impressive. It's got quite a few celebrities in it as well as a few YouTube personalities, along with some of the modern and futuristic weapons that will be seen in the game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wIZp_E2CxQ

: Surprised FPS Russia didn't say 'Have nice day.'-Survivalkid21

==SPOILERS: Full walkthrough leaked==

As usual, Game Anyone has leaked a full walkthrough of the game. You can at least make a note of the weapons for later. Already seen a [[Hawk MM1 grenade launcher]], a full size [[MP5]], and the [[FAL]] is back and has a select fire option. http://www.gameanyone.com/video/505480 [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 18:36, 6 November 2012 (EST)
:Rifles Fal | Galil | M16A1 | "AK47" (AKM?)

:SMGs MP5A3 | AK74U | Uzi

:Shotties Olympia over and under | SPAS 12

:LMGs RPD | M60 | Minigun (same one as Vorkuta)

:Snipers M82A1 | SVD Dragunov

:Pistols 1911 | Makarov PM | Browning HP

:Launchers RPG7 | Stinger | MM1

I believe there is no Type 97 and only the fictional Type 25 in the game.[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] ([[User talk:Temp89|talk]]) 18:11, 7 November 2012 (EST)
** There's two different kinds of miniguns: there's the handheld minigun from the first Black Ops, and a new "Death Machine" that looks to be a futuristic one. The LSAT machine gun also has a digital ammo counter like the ''Aliens'' pulse rifle. [[User:Chitoryu12|Chitoryu12]] ([[User talk:Chitoryu12|talk]]) 18:36, 7 November 2012 (EST)

==No optics==

It's kinda straight that in the future, none of the characters around you carry their guns with any sort of attachments on their weapons. No optics, grips or anything. The flashback scenes in the 80s make sense because electronics were not big at the time. It was more strange still for us to be carrying a gun with a red dot sight [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:18, 13 November 2012 (EST)
:It's especially odd, considering all the weight and bulk of RIS, to put nothing on it at all. Hmm. Well this is CoD, after all. [[User:ArrowTwoActual|ArrowTwoActual]] ([[User talk:ArrowTwoActual|talk]]) 13:00, 14 November 2012 (EST)
Not always true. A lot of the other series have optics on certain of your buddies. Other points where we have the odd no optics are pick up weapons off some enemies. It's kinda weird that some of the mercs and the chinese who uses more advanced weapons have no optics on their guns. When you play a different SEAL in the Strike missions, some times you start off with a gun that has no optic on it. This is the future, optics are the way of the future, especially for Spec Ops guys [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 18:30, 14 November 2012 (EST)

==Realism==

[[File:Blop2-Stinger-3.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]I know this is just a game that should be played for fun but... Come on, here we can see that the player just destroyed a tank with a FIM92 Stinger while riding a horse and he has 19 more Stingers on him. I'd like to see him with 19 launchers on his back. I think it beats any other nonsense in a game that has real firearms--[[User:Gr3gory|Gr3gory]] ([[User talk:Gr3gory|talk]]) 15:29, 15 November 2012 (EST)
:Of all the things that is kinda weird and stupid in this game, you pointed this out? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 16:25, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Actually, it's very realistic. Didn't you know that every real-life Black Ops operator has a small army of invisible midgets that carry all their extra ammo? --[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 17:14, 15 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Revolution (TV Series)

2012-10-17T21:16:47Z

CommanderLukas: /* Useless electronics on guns */

==S01E02 Russian Roulette Revolver==
The revolver that is held to the rebel's head appears to be a non gun as it has no markings and looks 'too smooth' to me - which would make sense from an actor safety standpoint. I'd say it's standing in for something similar to a .357 [[Smith & Wesson Model 65|Model 65]]. I made another pass and in the scenes without the actor in frame it is an actual pistol - and it still looks like a Model 65 to me.
[[Image:Smith653.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith and Wesson Model 65 - .357 Magnum. Four inch barrel and rubber grips.]]
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]
[[Image:Rev-SW65.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 revolver, dummy head stand-in]]
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 17:27, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

The gun held to the actors head definitely has the Smith & Wesson trademarks on the frame underneath the cylinder and ahead of the trigger guard. There are also the markings on the barrel on the same gun. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 18:44, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
:So you think it's just the glare in this image obscuring the trademarks? I could see that. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 00:04, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]

==Useless electronics on guns==
Someone should note that the Eotechs and laser sights aren't working anymore, so in Eotechs case it would actually make aiming harder. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:17, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

agreed might be airsoft did any one see them being fired as no energy no red dot on the screen in front of your eye acog sights that use the light pipe might work
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 20:01, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Well iron sights and anything like them will work no others, because as far as I can understand the concept, its not like an EMP it doesn't fry stuff it simply eliminates anything electric, so for example a hand operated generator will not work.

As the mechanism that caused the blackout hasn't been explained in anyway yet, it is hard to say what kind of illuminating scopes would work. Stuff that illuminates the reticle through fibre optics would work, phosphorescent sights would probably work, and tritium sights would possible work. However based on the fact that nothing that generates electricity works any more it seems like something is suppressing electrons from flowing which would also mean that tritium sights would not work (these glow by electrons given off through radioactive decay hitting a phosphor). I'm probably over thinking it though, as if this was the case then the human body wouldn't work either, so I can think of no explanation that makes any kind of scientific sense. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:57, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

eotech's work on batteries right, so the wont work.--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:05, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

They will if they're magical batteries...--[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 17:16, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Revolution (TV Series)

2012-10-17T21:15:42Z

CommanderLukas: /* Useless electronics on guns */

==S01E02 Russian Roulette Revolver==
The revolver that is held to the rebel's head appears to be a non gun as it has no markings and looks 'too smooth' to me - which would make sense from an actor safety standpoint. I'd say it's standing in for something similar to a .357 [[Smith & Wesson Model 65|Model 65]]. I made another pass and in the scenes without the actor in frame it is an actual pistol - and it still looks like a Model 65 to me.
[[Image:Smith653.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith and Wesson Model 65 - .357 Magnum. Four inch barrel and rubber grips.]]
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]
[[Image:Rev-SW65.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 revolver, dummy head stand-in]]
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 17:27, 5 October 2012 (EDT)

The gun held to the actors head definitely has the Smith & Wesson trademarks on the frame underneath the cylinder and ahead of the trigger guard. There are also the markings on the barrel on the same gun. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] ([[User talk:SmithandWesson36|talk]]) 18:44, 5 October 2012 (EDT)
:So you think it's just the glare in this image obscuring the trademarks? I could see that. --[[User:Bunni|bunni]] ([[User talk:Bunni|talk]]) 00:04, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
[[Image:Rev-SW-ng.jpg|thumb|none|700px|S01E02 non-gun revolver]]

==Useless electronics on guns==
Someone should note that the Eotechs and laser sights aren't working anymore, so in Eotechs case it would actually make aiming harder. --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 14:17, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

agreed might be airsoft did any one see them being fired as no energy no red dot on the screen in front of your eye acog sights that use the light pipe might work
--[[User:Seekerdude|Seekerdude]] ([[User talk:Seekerdude|talk]]) 20:01, 16 October 2012 (EDT)

Well iron sights and anything like them will work no others, because as far as I can understand the concept, its not like an EMP it doesn't fry stuff it simply eliminates anything electric, so for example a hand operated generator will not work.

As the mechanism that caused the blackout hasn't been explained in anyway yet, it is hard to say what kind of illuminating scopes would work. Stuff that illuminates the reticle through fibre optics would work, phosphorescent sights would probably work, and tritium sights would possible work. However based on the fact that nothing that generates electricity works any more it seems like something is suppressing electrons from flowing which would also mean that tritium sights would not work (these glow by electrons given off through radioactive decay hitting a phosphor). I'm probably over thinking it though, as if this was the case then the human body wouldn't work either, so I can think of no explanation that makes any kind of scientific sense. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 07:57, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

eotech's work on batteries right, so the wont work.--[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 15:05, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

The will if they're magic batteries...--[[User:CommanderLukas|Commander Lukas]] ([[User talk:CommanderLukas|talk]]) 17:15, 17 October 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-04-12T01:02:44Z

CommanderLukas: /* RPK Mag */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

__TOC__

== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

More funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsbTjPe2fs&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

More ordinary stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUpUFwV8fM8&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::An LRSR mission with the Barrett like the one in CoD4 would have been awesome to have in BF3. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:Holy crap, I thought that was a real Marine in that pic at first! :O [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

When was the screenshot that says "HK53" taken? Shouldn't that be updated with a more recent one that says "G53"? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 19:46, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

::Yeah, most definitely. We welcome clarification on any component or add-on used in the game. IMFDB's priorities are much different than those of game-based wikis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:31, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Do you guys think we should have a section for the attachments in the game, since there are so many? For most games it wouldn't be necessary, but here there are 12 different optics, the aftermarket irons, KAC foregrip, Harris bipod, six (I think) suppressors, PEQ-2, pistol laser sight, and a tac light. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:Yes, please include the info on which flash suppressors and other accessories are being used on which guns in the screenshots (as well as an addendum at the end of the page outlining just which real-life firearm accessories are in the game). There are many of us not in the know who would like to learn about them. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:32, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: SCAR-L (misspelled as SCARL-L; I tweeted Demize)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: ACR (as ACW-R, like PDW-R)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: "M5K" (don't know what it is, described as M5K tactical machine pistol)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

LIST EDITED

::I'm excited to see the AUG and the MTAR, but the ACR and SCAR-L... while I have nothing against them (in fact, I really like them) aren't they a bit... implausible? As for the LSAT... HELL. NO. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 19:15, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Not sure if this is on the up and up, but people are talking about the Recon weapons being the HK417 and the CZ-750 (these are were supposedly found buried in some code in a leaked beta build), and with both of these weapons having an effective range of about a thousand meters, this seems plausible. However others are claiming there will be no Recon weapons in this expansion, which seems like it would a stupid move on DICE's part. In addition people are saying the ACR will be a carbine with a 25+1 capacity, and that the SCAR-L will be the assault rifle weapon (seems odd to have a the 7.62 variant as a carbine and the 5.56 variant as an assault rifle, but oh well). Others say the second All Kit weapon will be something called an M5K? I'm not sure what that is. Again none of this was shown in the trailer, however some people claim to have seen the CZ-750 in the trailer, but it's such a poor view that it could just as well be the SV-98. Also, BF3 fans work fast, someone made these mock ups of the stats screens for the guns: http://imgur.com/a/iOlAQ [[User:Spry|Spry]] 03:08, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::After thinking about it a bit, I'm starting to think the M5K is meant to be the MP5K, when you consider that they've renamed a couple of H&K weapons like the HK53 and the HK416, it's plausible that they had some licensing issues with H&K like they seem to have had with Magpul and Glock (No surprise there, considering how notoriously protective Glock is of their brand), So they probably just renamed it the M5K. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 10:29, 14 March 2012 (CET)
:::::Either that, or they misspelled it, like they did the SCAR-L. And if the MP5 doesn't have H&K's name in its name, they probably wouldn't have to rename it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:18, 14 March 2012 (PST)
::::::You also have to take into account that some of the weapons used by said classes in the trailer could just be kits they picked up in the middle of the battle, perhaps to throw off the assertion of which one belongs to who. I'm just glad the L86A1 is in there, finally another British weapon added, just add a Browning Hi-Power or a SIG P226 and I'm set! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:38, 14 March 2012 (CDT)Draco122

An M203A2 would be a nice addition, since the Marines don't use the M320. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:12, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I thought this belonged here, since we're on the subject of expansions, here's a HUGE list of updates in this upcoming patch.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 01:56, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

"Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)" TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:59, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

== L96 Irons?! ==

What in the holy hell is that garbage?! finally a rifle with good iron sights and the stick a SECOND front sight on the end of the receiver rail... for a whopping 7" sight radius... dear god what a disappointment. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]]
:As a side note, that isn't an L96 front sight, looks more like the one that is on the G22 (German variant of the AWM). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:39, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
::Hahaha, that was my reaction too. The sights will be fixed in that big patch that should be out this month. It was on that huge notes list. EDIT: I think the BF3 rifle IS the G22; folding stock & front sight. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg here][[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:55, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
:[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]

: question on the L96, what is it chambered in? It should be .300 Winchester Magnum (I think?) but the ingame description says 7.62mmx51mm NATO... [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 00:03, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
::The standard Arctic Warfare is chambered in either .243 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. However, the in game gun is modelled on a magnum rifle (can tell by the size of the magazine) which is chambered in .300 Winchester of .338 Lapua. The caliber is correct for the name of the gun, but wrong for the model it actually is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:00, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
:Keep in mind most of the calibres are wrong for the Back To Karkand guns, like the QBs being 5.45mm [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:40, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

== Shortcuts ==

I was on the 360 Marketplace this week, looking for new Add-ons for any of my games when I came across several for Battlefield 3. They are class specific and cost 560 Microsoft points apiece or you can get the ultimate bundle which includes Air, Ground and Co-Op 'shortcuts' for a whopping 3200 points. What a shortcut entails is basically a free pass to getting ALL of the specific kits weapons, attachments and gadgets thereby bypassing the experience system if someone has the credits.

In short, this is a noob's wetdream. Personally, I think they should rename the Ultimate Shortcut Bundle to the Ultimate Lazy Bastards Bundle. Thankfully all of the shortcuts have been getting pretty low reviews. Thoughts? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 16:28, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:Wait, it includes weapon attachments? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:24, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Every other game is dumbed down for casual gamers to blow through in an hour. Why is this any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:51, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Shortcuts are gay. 'nuff said. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 17:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm not too happy about shortcuts either, but did you really have to use gay as a way to insult it? [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42
:Sorry, I forgot gay means "happy" --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:27, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== SPAS-12 = Pump-Action? ==

I was watching the part of the Close-Quarters Expansion Pack trailer where it showed the SPAS-12, and it looked like it was operating in pump-action mode. Is anyone else disappointed by this? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

I'm actually quite glad, I was quite disappointed with the lack of pump-action shotguns in game. I guess they could say it's an SAS-12 so it's a pump-action only variant in real life. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42

I don't really care, I want more pump actions, but another tube fed semi action shotty too. --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:40, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

:Same here, it's not technically wrong, and since we need at least one more pump shotgun, I'm fine with it. I also think they went with the SPAS-12 because most pump shotguns like 870s, Mossbergs, Ithicas, etc, looks very similar. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:20, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

::True, but they could have done the Tactical version of the Benelli Nova or SuperNova. They look unique enough. Or they could have done the Kel-Tec KSG, except without continuous fire of its two magazines (I'm looking at you, MW3).

What's wrong with a pump shotgun with 12 shots (*EDITED* the Kel-tec KSG)? The street sweeper (DAO-12) has 12 shots AND is semi-auto, then there's the USAS-12 with 10+1 and FULL-auto, a pump action with 12 or 12+1 capicity wounldn't be much of a big deal. - Wantabe_Warrior38

:You think the SPAS-12 has 12 shots? It only has an 8-round magazine. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

::Pretty sure he meant the KSG. And yeah, the SuperNova looks pretty sweet, I like the trigger guard :) EDIT: Are there any pump-action mag-fed shotguns? I can't think of any, but that'd be pretty cool, like the M1014 and Saiga-12K. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:30, 9 April 2012 (CDT)
:::There are conversion kits to convert popular pump guns to magazine fed, but they look odd with the magazine being further forward than normal, under the existing magazine tube. There are pump actions that are made with box magazines like the [[Valtro PM5 Shotgun]] series, or the [[Hawk shotgun series]]. There is also the [[Franchi SPAS-15]] which is semi/pump like the SPAS-12. I have also seen Saigas that have been converted to pump action. These are just off the top of my head, there are probably other, more obscure weapons out there. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:47, 9 April 2012 (CDT)

== KH2002 Magazine ==

Is it using the 20 round stanag magazine? Looks like it. If it is, ill mention it on the kh2002 portion of the page

== RPK Mag ==
So, it seems someone screwed up during the development of the patch and now the RPK has an extended mag option that gives it 199+1 rounds :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:31, 11 April 2012 (CDT)
:I think it was a DICE only attachment pre-patch --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 20:02, 11 April 2012 (CDT)

Battlefield 3

2012-04-11T16:42:10Z

CommanderLukas: /* Remington ACR */

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[[Image:Bf3-pc-cover.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Battlefield 3'' (2011)]]

'''''Battlefield 3''''' (also known as '''''BF3''''') is the twelfth installment of the ''[[Battlefield|Battlefield series]]'', and direct sequel to ''[[Battlefield 2]]''. The game was developed by the Swedish company Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment (DICE) and published by Electronic Arts in 2011 for the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. The game is powered by the proprietary Frostbite 2 engine, a further development of the engine used in the ''Bad Company'' games.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Battlefield 3'':'''
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= Handguns =

== Beretta 92SB ==

The [[Beretta 92SB]], modified to resemble the [[Beretta 93R|93R]], can be unlocked as a sidearm in Co-Op requiring a 86,000 Co-Op Score. The weapon has been fitted with the 93R's muzzle brake and foregrip, as well as being modified to fire 3 round bursts. Uses 20 round magazines.

[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bf3_93r_slide_locked.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character stops to admire his custom weapon.]]

== Beretta M9 ==

In the beginning of the single-player mission "Semper Fidelis" and "The Great Destroyer", Blackburn acquires a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta M9]]. It can also be seen holstered on some US Marine throughout the single-player campaign. In multiplayer it is the starting handgun for US forces. Another note of interest is that unlike in [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'s multiplayer, the M9's magazine is 15 rounds + 1 in the chamber like in reality. In multiplayer, Players can unlock additional M9's outfitted with a Tactical Light and a Sound Suppressor separately as they level (rank) up.

[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an M9 at the start of the introductory mission "Semper Fidelis." This one of only two times in the entire campaign the player character has a sidearm.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine holds a M9 in multiplayer.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M9 being reloaded in multiplayer.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine aims at a suspicious looking M1161 "Growler" ITV. Note that the sights are correct for a M9.]]
[[File:Bf3_M9_suppressed.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M9 with a suppressor. Different classes of weapon use different suppressor models, but those models are shared among the weapons of that class. The only exceptions to this are the G3A3 and SCAR-H CQC, which use the same model as the sniper rifles because of their caliber.]]

== Glock 17 ==

The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is shown in an official screenshot for the Battlelog. Called "G17C", although it is modeled after a standard Glock 17 as there are no compensator cuts on the top of the slide. It comes standard with a laser sight, while a variant that has both a laser sight and a suppressor is available as a later unlock. It is the only handgun that lets you equip two attachments at a time. Also, all of the US Assault kit soldiers have a G17 in a chest holster in addition to whatever their selected sidearm is, and this G17 does not have a laser.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BF3-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A dead PLR soldier with a Glock 17 at his side.]]

[[File:Rrt877 g17c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glock 17 in multiplayer.]]
[[File:Rrt877 g17c reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glock 17 in multiplayer reloading.]]

== Glock 18 ==

The [[Glock 18]] appears as the "G18". It has an extended magazine base that gives it a 19 round capacity. Interestingly enough in the beta, the suppressed Glock 18 is unlocked before the standard unsuppressed variant (though this has been fixed in the regular game and the unsuppressed version is unlocked at Rank 30 with the suppressed variant unlocked at 41). Note that the Battlelog picture (seen below) lacks a fire selector, but is actually different than that G17's picture. This is most likely because it is from an early build of the game, as it appears correctly in-game. It is an incredibly effective sidearm in close quarters, but is useless at medium range and beyond unless burst fired.

[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm. The model in-game is not a "C" model.]]
[[Image:BF3BLG18.jpg|thumb|none|350px|G18 in-game render.]]

== MEU(SOC) Pistol==

The USMC variant of the [[M1911]], the [[M1911_pistol_series#M45_.2F_MEU.28SOC.29|M-45]], can be used if the player is a Battlefield Veteran or a member of the EA Gun Club. All three variants of the M1911 are also unlocked for multiplayer by completing the single player campaign. It is a standard M1911A1 with a three-hole trigger, a Springfield slide, commander-style hammer, beavertail grip safety, Pachmayr rubber grips, and uses 8 round magazines. It comes with additional variants that incorporate a Tactical Flashlight or Sound Suppressor. A variant with both aforementioned attachments is available only to DICE employees.

[[File:Silver MEU.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MEU(SOC) Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character in multiplayer holds a MEU(SOC) pistol.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the MEU(SOC) pistol in multiplayer, the player character dumps the empty magazine...]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and lines up a fresh one (that's actually loaded) with the magazine well. Note that the markings and slanted serrations show it is a Springfield made slide.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character aims down the tritium sights of his MEU(SOC) pistol.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character vaults over a fence with his MEU(SOC) pistol, appreciative of the fact that he actually has legs in this game.]]

== MP-412 REX ==

The [[MP-412 REX|MP-412]] revolver returns from ''Bad Company'' and ''Bad Company 2'' as an unlockable sidearm that can only be unlocked by achieving a 5000 Co-Op Score. Unlike in ''Bad Company 2'', the top break cartridge ejector is seen in full effect actually ejecting spent rounds as opposed to "flicking" them out. It is considerably different by having a slightly faster rate of fire and being more effective at close range compared to it's larger .44 cousin.

[[Image:Mp-412-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-412 REX - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3 REX.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The player character in multiplayer holds an MP-412 REX.]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Pictured: the automatic extractor in action. Not pictured: Antigravity field generator.]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]

== MP-443 Grach ==

The [[Yarygin_PYa#MP-443_Grach|MP-443]] returns from ''Bad Company 2'' and is the Russian faction's sidearm. In Multiplayer the player unlocks the Tactical Light and Sound Suppressor as they level up instead of by gaining kills with the weapon.

[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|none|thumb|400px|MP-443 Grach - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MP443-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vladimir uses his MP-443 as one of Solomon's men demonstrates how not to steal a car stereo.]]
[[Image:BF3-MP443-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his MP-443 on Blackburn as he tries to blame everything on a fire extinguisher.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 grach 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 grach reload 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Taurus Model 444 ==

The .44 version of the [[Taurus Model 44]], the Model 444, appears as an unlockable sidearm, and can be fitted with a scope. Appears as ".44 Magnum", one of the few weapons in game that does not go by its proper name. In the campaign, the antagonist Solomon uses one as his personal sidearm. In multiplayer, a variant with a PK-A scope is fittingly unlocked at Rank 44.

[[Image:Taurus 44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 444 with 6" barrel - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Solomon aims his Taurus Model 444 at Blackburn during the introductory level. Visible in the full-sized image is what appears to be an empty speedloader hovering in mid-air behind the weapon, just above Solomon's wrist.]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn soon finds himself getting a closer look at the barrel.]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Prior to the start of "Uprising," Solomon is seen aiming his Taurus at an injured Marine.]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
A large number of weapons appear on dog tags associated with a similar weapon, weapon of the same family, weapon of the same category, or in a few cases, weapons that make no sense at all. As there are so many, the weapons found '''only''' on dog tags have been placed in their own category at the bottom of each class of weapon. This is to avoid confusion as to which weapons are actually in the game and which ones are only pictures.

=== Colt 1873 ===
The [[Single Action Army|Colt 1873]], more commonly known as the Single Action Army, is featured on the Dog Tag the player is rewarded with when they get the ''Handgun Medal'', for getting the ''Handgun Ribbon'' 50 times. A ''Handgun Ribbon'' is awarded when the player kills four enemies with handguns in a game, and can be awarded multiple times in a game.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model. The most common of the SAA revolvers as it is just the right length. - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:BF3SAA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Western-themed ''Handgun Dog Tag''.]]

=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911A1]] appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the MEU(SOC) pistol.

=== Makarov PB ===
The [[Makarov PM#Makarov PB|Makarov PB]] very oddly appears on the Dog Tag awarded for getting 100 kills with the Suppressed MP-443 Grach. Though they are both suppressed Russian pistols, they have almost nothing else in common.

= Submachine Guns =

Unlike previous games in the series, SMGs are all-kit unlockables, and not strictly limited to an Engineer/Spec Ops-type class.

== Heckler & Koch MP7A1 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP7|H&K MP7A1]] can be unlocked and used by any kit. It can use either a 20- or 40-round magazine. It must be unlocked in the Co-Op mode, requiring 34,000 Score. It does low damage to enemies, but has a very high rate of fire and manageable recoil to balance it out. An interesting thing to note is that this weapon has separate reload animations for the 20 and 40 round magazines (the 20 round magazine is dropped via the use of gravity, while the 40 round magazine is manually removed).

[[Image:MP7 40rdmag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight and 40-round magazine - 4.6x30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an MP7A1 with suppressor, EOTech sight and 40-round extended magazine during the mission "Night Shift."]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn loads a new 40-round magazine into his MP7A1 as he is menaced by a series of incomprehensible graffiti tags.]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 20-round magazine for the MP7A1 frequently glitches and fails to appear during the campaign; here in "The Great Destroyer" Blackburn reloads one with a large flash suppressor, IRNV scope and laser pointer...]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...whereas earlier he just told his vanilla one to imagine it was full of bullets that were ''this'' big.]]

== Heckler & Koch UMP45 ==

This weapon can be used by all four classes, and has an ammo capacity of 25 + 1. The game correctly depicts the UMP's single / 2 round burst / full auto firing modes.

[[Image:UMP_45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch UMP45 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BF3-UMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his UMP during "The Great Destroyer," wondering why he didn't have it the first time he went through this section. Note the caution on the side of the weapon to read the owner's manual; while this makes some sense on this level where the UMPs are seen in the hands of terrorists, the warning is still present even in "Operation Guillotine" when the UMPs are used by the US military; military UMPs should not have it.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ump.jpg|thumb|none|601px|UMP in Multiplayer.]]

== FN P90 TR ==

The FN P90 TR boasts a large ammo capacity at 50 + 1, a high rate of fire, and excellent accuracy at the expense of suffering from low damage at long distance. The weapon is capable of being used by all four classes in multiplayer.
[[Image:FN_P90_Triple_Rail_(TR).jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN P90TR - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:BF3-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a P90TR during the mission "Comrades."]]

== PP-19 Bizon ==

The [[Izhmash PP-19 Bizon|PP-19 Bizon]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by any kit. The weapon features a slightly inaccurate magazine capacity of 54 rounds (where the real life 9x19mm Parabellum helical magazine has a max capacity of 53).

[[Image:Bizon1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Early PP-19 Bizon - 9x18mm Makarov. The version in game is this early model, but is chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum.]]
[[Image:BF3-PP19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PP-19 Bizon on the customise menu.]]

== PP-2000 ==

The [[PP-2000]] returns from ''Bad Company 2'', feeling much more realistic this time around, with a more believable firing rate and packing a decent punch per shot, as opposed to the previous game, in which its firing rate was more akin to a Minigun and its power-per-shot around the area of lightly tossing a handful of pebbles at your opponent's face. Comes standard with a 20 round mag, and a 40 round extended mag can be unlocked.

[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 with red dot sight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BF3-PP2000-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his PP-2000 after completing a HALO jump into Northern Iran at the start of the mission "Kaffarov."]]

= Shotguns =

For the first time in a main ''Battlefield'' series game (excluding spinoffs like ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]''), shotguns can be iron-sighted, and like the SMGs, can be used in every kit. In addition, DICE made it so that their shotguns have considerable range, unlike most videogames where you have to see the whites of the enemies' eyes for shotguns to be effective.

== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ==

The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper]] is included, identifiable by the winding key on the front of the drum magazine and lack of a rear-mounted drum advance lever. The weapon is referred to as the "DAO-12" in material advertising the game's pre-order rewards, as it was in ''[[Battlefield 2]]''; this stands for "double action only, 12 gauge" and is a ''description'' of the weapon rather than a correct name for it. The name was kept as an homage to ''Battlefield 2''. The weapon has an incorrect capacity of 8-rounds by default, but the correct 12 if the extended magazine attachment is used. This is most likely for balance, so players can't use a semi-auto, 12 round shotgun AND 3 attachments on top of that.

[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper with short barrel and top folding stock - 12 gauge. Visible is the Cobray logo on the side, no visible drum advance lever like on the Striker and the recognizable 'key' in the front of the drum for winding up the rotary cylinder.]]
[[File:BF3-Streetsweeper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a Street Sweeper fitted with a Kobra reflex sight at the start of the mission "Kaffarov."]]

== Benelli M1014 ==

The [[Benelli M4 Super 90|Benelli M1014]] features semi-automatic firing and its tactical stock fully extended during gameplay. Magazine capacities available are either the civilian legal 4+1, or the full-length 6+1 (Indicating the use of 3-inch magnum rounds. The full-length tube normally holds seven 2.75-inch rounds). When reloading from empty, the player character loads a round into the chamber first, then fills the tube, and using the extended option will change the model's magazine tube accordingly, just like the 870 MCS. It's unrealistically inaccurate despite having a Cylinder Bore.

[[Image:M4Super90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 7-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-M1014-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M1014 during the mission "Comrades."]]

[[Image:Rrt877 m1014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1014 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 m1014 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1014 in MP, reloading.]]

== M26 MASS ==

The [[M26 MASS]] can be used only in the Assault kit in the "Gadget 1" slot. It may be used either as a standalone weapon, or mounted on any of the assault rifles if said rifle is equipped with the underslung rail. It can fire buckshot, flechettes, FRAG-12 rounds, or slugs, same as the other shotguns. For some odd reason, the AEK-971 and AN-94 cannot mount the M26 MASS despite having underslung rails. A model glitch exists on some weapons that mount the M26 MASS where the charging handle will stay up even when the weapon is not in use.

[[Image:XM26 2 highRes.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 MASS - 12 gauge, mounted on [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] with C-More red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:XM26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Standalone version of M26 MASS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3 Mass.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M26 standalone.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 mass mounted.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MASS mounted on a M16A3 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 mass mounted reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MASS mounted on a M16A3 in MP, reloading.]]

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

The [[Pancor Jackhammer]], called the "MK3A1," is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by any kit. It can be safely assumed it will not emulate the real weapon's problems with failing to cycle. It is fully automatic and the only shotgun that can mount a suppressor. It should be noted that the suppressor does absolutely nothing to make the Jackhammer any more quiet and doesn't actually show up on the gun. In fact, the only thing the suppressor does is take up an attachment slot.

[[Image:Jackhammer.jpg‎|400px|thumb|none|Pancor Jackhammer - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-Jackhammer-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackhammer on the customisation screen.]]

== Remington 870 MCS ==

The [[Remington 870|Remington 870 MCS]] appears as the "870MCS". The player pumps the shotgun very quickly, which makes it seem almost semi-automatic in-game, like a pump action combat shotgun should be. Magazine capacities are either the standard 4+1, or the extended 6+1. As with the M1014, when reloading from empty the player character loads a round into the chamber first, then fills the tube, and using the extended option will change the model's magazine tube

[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 MCS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-MCS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an 870 MCS with a tactical light during the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-MCS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Blackburn's starting weapons in "Operation Guillotine" is this Remington 870 MCS with a laser aiming module. Precisely what this is for when he has his Big Magic White Circle for aiming with is unclear.]]
[[File:Bf3_870MCS_Frag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing a 12 gauge fragmentation round from the 870. It looks impressive and can suppress enemies well, but it does about as much damage as a firecracker without a direct hit.]]
[[File:BF3_chamberload_870mcs_ext_mag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chamberloading an 870 that has an extended magazine.]]

== Saiga-12K ==

The [[Izhmash Saiga series shotgun|Saiga-12K]] returns from ''Battlefield 2'' and is the second semi-auto shotgun unlocked. Magazine capacities are either the standard 5+1, or an extended 10+1 (originally 8+1, following the maximum factory capacity, changed after the 4th update).

[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Saiga-12K - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds a rather beat-up camouflaged Saiga 12K during the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mission "Kaffarov" can be a little on the strange side at times; here Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a Saiga 12K fitted with a laser aiming module and PK-AS optic, watching in bemusement as shooting the windshield of a car makes two men who had clipped inside it dramatically leap through the roof. For a finishing touch, the car exploded immediately afterwards.]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wary of any other weirdness, Dmitri reloads his Saiga 12K.]]

== USAS-12 ==

The [[USAS-12]] is the only full-auto shotgun in-game, barring Back to Karkand's MK3A1 Jackhammer. The magazine capacity is incorrectly 6+1 by standard or the correct 10+1 with the extended magazines equipped, most likely for balance, same as the Striker. When optics are attached it becomes a WM-12, an American semi-auto clone of the USAS-12, but with a rail instead of the carry handle. Like all shotguns, it can utilise standard Buckshot, Slugs, Flechettes and explosive FRAG-12 rounds as well as fit a variety of accessories and attachments.

[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daewoo USAS-12 with 10-round magazine - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-USAS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads his USAS-12, which, according to the trademarks, was made by "Baewoo Brecisions" of Korea.]]

== SPAS-12 ==

The [[SPAS-12]] will be one of the 10 guns appearing in the upcoming Close Quarters expansion pack. Nothing else is known about it, except that the stock is unfolded.

[[Image:BF3SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPAS-12 - 12 gauge]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== SPAS-12 ===
One of the strangest weapons to appear on a different weapon's Dog Tag, the [[SPAS-12]] appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the USAS-12. Other than four capital letters followed by "-12", both being 12-gauge, and that they were both in the [[Battlefield: Bad Company]] series, they have little in common.

= Assault Rifles & Battle Rifles =

== 5,56A-91 ==

The [[5,56A-91]] appears as part of the incredibly vague "Compact Assault Rifle" classification, and thus is used by the 'Engineer' kit. It does not have its 40mm grenade launcher. It is the successor to the [[9A-91]] from ''Bad Company 2'', albeit firing the 5.56mm NATO round instead of the 9A-91's 9x39mm one. Called "[[A-91]]" in the game, which refers to the 7.62x39mm variant.

[[Image:A91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|5,56A-91 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-A91-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky looks at fellow GRU agent Vladimir holding a 5,56A-91 as they go to work at the start of "Comrades."]]
[[Image:Rrt877 a-91.jpg|thumb|none|600px|5,56A-91 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 a-91 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|5,56A-91 in MP reloading.]]

== AEK-971 ==

The [[AEK-971]] is an unlock for the Assault kit. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320. It cannot mount the M26 MASS due to a bug on the Xbox 360 version.

[[Image:aek971_545.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AEK-971 (Current Model) with folding stock - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AEK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an AEK-971 near the start of the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3 AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-971 in Battlefield 3 with Kobra Red dot sight and foregrip attached. Note that because of a glitch, both the indirect flightpath crosshair and the standard crosshair appear when switching rapidly between the grenade launcher and primary weapon. Switching to secondary weapon and back again fixes this issue.]]

[[Image:Rrt877_aek2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-917 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 aek2 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-917 in MP, reloading.]]

== AK-74M ==

The [[AK-74#AK-74|AK-74M]] has been seen in gameplay trailers. It is the standard assault rifle used by the Russian 'Assault' kit. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320.

[[Image:AK-74M.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74M - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an AK-74M equipped with a PSO-1 scope during "Operation Swordbreaker." Weapons on the ground do not show their attachments or have text signifying what they have attached, meaning occasionally picking up a boring-looking vanilla weapon will result in the player character producing Excalibur as here.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ak74m.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 ak74m reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== AKS-74U ==

The [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]] has been seen in gameplay trailers. In multiplayer, the AKS-74U, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit, and is the starting weapon for Russian Engineers.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-AKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn wrestles with one of Solomon's men during the introductory mission "Semper Fidelis." On the Xbox 360 version before the Back to Karkand update, this terrorist was instead armed with a UMP45, but still gives Blackburn an AKS-74U when he dies.]]
[[Image:BF3-AKS-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the start of the mission "Uprising," Blackburn relieves a PLR soldier of this AKS-74U with a Kobra reflex sight, suppressor and tactical light.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 aks74u.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 aks74u reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Aks74u in multiplayer, note the milled receiver.]]

== AN-94 ==

The [[AN-94]] returns from the Bad Company series. The AN-94's dual-rate full-auto mode has been correctly featured in Battlefield 3. When set to burst, the weapon fires an 1800RPM 2-round burst, and when set to full auto, it fires the first two shots at 1800RPM, while the rest are fired at 600RPM. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320. The AN-94 is unique in that it starts in 2-round burst by default, in contrast to every other weapon in BF3, which all use the most aggressive fire mode available by default, usually full auto. Before a patch, the weapon lacked the semi-automatic mode found on the real weapon, instead featuring only the 2-burst and full-auto modes. One detail that should be noted is that in the single-player campaign, the 2 round burst is shown to incorrectly fire at the 600 rpm as opposed to the correct 1800 rpm, though this may be fixed as the game still contains a handful of bugs. Interesting note about the way the player character reloads the AN-94, he flicks the magazine out with another magazine, the same applies to the AEK-971.

[[Image:Russian AN-94 Abakan Nikonov 5.45x39mm assault rifle 3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AN-94 Abakan Nikonov - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AN94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an AN-94 equipped with a PKS-07 long-range scope as he looks over an airdropped Russian D-30 122mm howitzer during the mission "Rock and a Hard Place."]]

== AS Val ==

The [[AS Val]] appears as an all kit weapon, most likely due to its small size and unique integrated suppressor, making it too specialized for any specific kit.

[[Image:As val1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AS Val - 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-ASVal-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his starting weapon, an AS Val assault rifle with a Kobra reflex sight, during the mission "Comrades."]]
[[Image:BF3-ASVal-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kiril holds his AS Val near the end of "Comrades."]]

== Colt M4/M4A1 ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is commonly seen in gameplay footage which is also in the hands of the main character. During the alpha stages footage, the in-game M4A1 can be seen fitted with iron sights, EOTech 552 Holographic sight, Trijicon TA01NSN 4x32 ACOG scope, Surefire Universal Weaponlight, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator, Magpul Ranger Plate, and a SOPMOD stock. Two different "reload-from-empty" animations have been seen. The "Fault Line" trailers had the player rack the charging handle, while in the more recent Operation Metro trailer, and the rest since then, the player uses the bolt release. It has been confirmed that both the M4A1 (full-auto) and M4 (3-round burst) will be available for use within the game. The standard M4/M4A1 has a KAC RIS handguard, Crane SOPMOD stock, Hogue pistol grip, M16A1 flash hider, and Magpul Ranger Plates. In multiplayer, the M4A1, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit, and is the starting weapon for US Engineers.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-1.jpg‎|602px|thumb|none|Blackburn holds an M4A1 during "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Blackburn reloads his M4A1. "For law enforcement / military use" is printed on the side of the EOTech optic. Note also the fire selector on semi-auto.]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Reloading with the rifle in shadow reveals a snake-like design engraved on the mag well; this is present in ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'', though as a dark shape that shows up in light rather than a silvery etching that only shows up in the dark. Also note that the semi-auto position reads "Fire", meaning it was modeled on a civilian M4 variant, which also explains why the selector is in this position.]]

== Colt M16A3/M16A4 ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] was one of the first weapons to be shown in early gameplay footage, but was lacking rear iron sights and even optical sights because of the alpha stage development; these were added later on. Some later footage showed the M16 with the gas block missing when mounting sights, but this too was corrected in the final release. Both the M16A3 (full-auto) and M16A4 (3-round burst) are available for use within the game. They have [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] flash hiders, KAC RIS handguards with a rail cover on the right side rail, a Hogue pistol grip, Magpul loops on the magazines, and a cloth sleeve wrapped around the stock. It is the standard assault rifle used by the US 'Assault' kit.

[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) with RAS rails installed, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope - 5.56x45mm. This is the USMC style setup.]]
[[Image:BF3-M16-1.jpg|601px|thumb|none|Blackburn holds his M16A3 during Operation Swordbreaker.]]
[[Image:BF3-M16-2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A Marine reloads his M16A3 with a mounted Trijicon ACOG scope in multiplayer. Note that there are actually bullets in the magazine, a relatively rare sight in a modern shooter. But unfortunately, like in most modern shooters, the fire selector is always set to semi-auto.]]

== DIO KH2002 Sama ==

The Xbox 360 Operation Guillotine gameplay trailer shows a PLR militant using the [[DIO KH2002|DIO KH2002 Sama]] assault rifle. The weapon is a bullpup conversion of the DIO S-5.56 assault rifle, which is a direct copy of the [[M16 rifle series#Norinco Model 311|Norinco CQ]] assault rifle. The KH2002 was put into service in 2004 as a replacement for the Iranian Military's obsolete G3A3. The model featured in the game is the improved Sama model introduced in 2009, as noted by the diagonal cuts on the receiver as opposed to horizontal, side mounted rails and the combination of long carry handle and barrel mounted front sight. The improved foregrip of the Sama model only appears if the Foregrip attachment is used in multiplayer

In campaign mode, the weapon is often found in the hands of Iranian Army soldiers after the PLR's hostile takeover. It fires in single shot and 3-round burst firing modes, and uses Russian optics. It can be unlocked for multiplayer use with a 17,000 co-op score.

[[File:Kh2002 2009 improved.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Iranian Defense Industries Organization (DIO) KH2002, improved 2009 model - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-KH2002-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds a KH2002 during the mission "Uprising" as he discovers the exit.]]
[[File:BF3-KH2002-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his KH2002, showing that the Khaybar variant used in the game is the 2009 model.]]

== FAMAS Surbaissé ==

A [[FAMAS|FAMAS Surbaissé]] (FAMAS Low Profile) is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Assault kit. The weapon is shown with the large G1 / G2 trigger guard rather than the twin grips this version seems to use. In-game, the FAMAS has a 30+1 capacity, but is modeled with 25 round magazines. The capacity is going to be reduced to the correct 25+1 in a patch expected in March 2012.

[[Image:FAMASFELIN2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FAMAS Surbaissé - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-FAMAS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS Surbaissé on the customisation screen.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 famas3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 famas3 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== FN F2000 Tactical ==

The [[FN F2000]] returns from the Bad Company series, and has much more realistic statistics, most notably that it doesn't have a fire rate resembling a minigun. Due to its lack of an underslung rail, an M320 or M26 MASS will always be carried as a standalone if the F2000 is equipped. The F2000 can mount a bipod and foregrip like the other assault rifles.

[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 Tactical with folding vertical foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-F2000-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads an F2000 with EOTech reflex sight during the mission "Comrades."]]

== FN Mk 17 Mod 0 (SCAR-H CQC) ==

The First Generation FN Mk 17 Mod 0, or [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-H|SCAR-H CQC]], can be seen in the new Caspian Border gameplay trailer. In multiplayer, the SCAR-H is used by the 'Engineer' kit. A modelling mistakes shows the fire selector switch set on semi-auto as the weapon itself fires on full-auto by default.

[[Image:FN_SCAR_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|First Gen Fabrique Nationale SCAR-H with M68 Aimpoint scope and Grippod foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-SCAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his SCAR-H at the start of "Operation Guillotine." Note that even though the weapon fires on full-auto, the fire selector switch is set on semi-auto.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 mk17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 mk17 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Heckler & Koch G36 ("MG36") ==

A hybrid of the [[Heckler & Koch G36]] and G36C, mislabelled as "MG36" (a weapon with a production run of around 100 units) is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Support kit. The weapon has the full-length forearm and barrel of the G36, but the carry handle and shorter stock of the G36C, as well as having a C-Mag fitted. The C-Mag only holds 50+1 instead of the correct 100+1 without the Extended Magazine attachment, but given that the attachment is unlocked by default it is clear that this is simply for balancing reasons, so the player can't use 100 round and another attachment, just like the Street Sweeper and Jackhammer.

[[Image:G36 CMag.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Configuration typically called "MG36;" actually just a standard G36 with a bipod handguard and C-Mag - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-MG36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"MG36" on the customise menu. Note the 12x sniper scope attached, in case you feel the need to give suppressive fire from 1000+ meters.]]

== Heckler & Koch G36C ==

A [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] is briefly seen being used by one of the players in PAX coverage from NVIDIA. It can fire, semi, auto, or two-round burst. In multiplayer, the G36C, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit.

[[Image:G36CwForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C with vertical foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-G36-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a G36C he took from a French police officer during the mission "Comrades." Note that while the fire selector is in the correct position for fully automatic fire, the white position indicator is pointing to "safe."]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch G3|G3A3]] is available in both single and multiplayer. It is an actual H&K G3A3, and not an Iranian clone. It has a wide handguard, and the fire selector markings are S-E-F. The Iranian-manufactured version differs in that it utilizes a slimline handguard and has Farsi writing on the receiver. It can be unlocked for use in multiplayer by gaining 160,000 Co-Op score.

[[File:G3a3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 with wide handguard - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-G3-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn holds a G3A3 with ACOG scope during the mission "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[File:BF3-G3A3-Pickup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The detailed pick-up icon for the G3A3.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK416 ==

The [[HK416]] returns from Bad Company and Bad Company 2 having a 10.4" barrel and OD furniture. It is the first unlock for the Assault kit and can have an M320 (which replaces the kit's Medkit) mounted as long as a grip or bipod are not. It once again appears as the "M416," seemingly just because that's what it was called in the ''Bad Company'' games since it is no longer shown as a standardised US military weapon in singleplayer. At release, it featured semi-auto, burst, and full-auto modes, something that isn't typically possible with AR-15 type rifles and derivatives. A patch later removed the burst mode, but it is still present on the Xbox 360 version.

[[Image:Heckler and Koch 416.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3-HK416-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn runs with his HK416 with M320 grenade launcher, straight into a most unpleasant surprise. The Russian transport craft depicted is an Antonov An-22. The pilot of the Antonov is a big fan of ''[[Top Gun]]'' and is getting as much low-altitude fly-by practice in as he can before the real war starts.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 hk416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Heckler & Koch HK53 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch HK33|HK53]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack as the G53. It is a compact version of the HK33 rifle, and as a carbine, it can be used by the Engineer kit.

[[Image:H&KHK53-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK53 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-HK53-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK53 on the customisation screen.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 hk53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 hk53 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== L85A2 ==

The [[Enfield L85 rifle series|L85A2]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Assault kit.

[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|none|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-L85-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|L85A2 on the customisation screen.]]

== Magpul PDR ==

The [[Magpul PDR]] appears as an all kit weapon. For unknown reasons, it appears as the "PDW-R". Uses either 20 or 30 round polymer magazines, with 20 being the default option.

[[File:MagpulPDR.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Magpul PDR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-PDR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads his PDR as he ponders the wisdom of Vladimir's "walking into a fire" plan.]]

== QBZ-95B ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBZ-95B]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and, as a carbine, can be used by the Engineer kit.

[[Image:Qbz-95carb s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBZ-95B - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBZ95B-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBZ-95B on the customise menu.]]

== SIG SG 553 ==

The [[SIG SG 550|SG 553]] has been confirmed by DICE in the official Battlefield Blog. In multiplayer, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit. It can only be unlocked in Co-Op by achieving a score of 120,000. In the campaign mode, the SG 553 is found in two places. The first is in "Comrades", where a police officer exiting the van has one, and the other one being found by the player after the train crashes in "The Great Destroyer".

[[File:SIG SG 553-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG SG 553 with railed handguard, vertical foregrip, flashlight, ACOG and 20-round factory magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-SG553-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a SIG SG 553 during the mission "Comrades" as he fights his way through a French police cordon.]]

== Remington ACR ==

The [[Remington ACR|Remington ACR]] joins the arsenal of Battlefield 3 as part of the upcoming 'Close Quarters' map pack and was first seen in the "Ziba Tower" gameplay video. Inaccurately appears as the "ACW-R" (Likely meaning 'Adaptive Combat Weapon - Rifle'), much like the PDW-R, and sports the tri-rail foregrip standard on the entry variant.

[[File:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington ACR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3 ACW-R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "ACW-R" in the player's hands]]

[[File:RussianguywithACR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Russian Engineer fires his "ACW-R," note the full length barrel]]

== Steyr AUGA3 ==

The "Ziba Tower" gameplay trailer shows the AUG in the killfeed, and it can be seen in at least one screenshot.

[[File:1.Steyr AUG A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUGA3 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3wallpaper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier in the foreground can be seen holding an AUGA3 (Note the tri-railed handguard and the placement of the charging handle) fitted with an EOTech 552 and KAC foregrip]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== M16A1 ===

The Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the M320/GP-30 shows an [[M203]] mounted to an [[M16A1]], complete with the heatshield handguard.

=== M16A2 ===

The Dog Tag the player recieves for 500 kills with the M16A3/A4 shows an [[M16A2]] instead.

=== FAMAS ===

A [[FAMAS]] (G2?) appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the FAMAS.

=== FN F2000 ===

The standard version of the F2000, with its built in scope, appears on the 500 kill Dog Tag for the F2000 Tactical.

=== FN Mk 16 Mod 0 (SCAR-L)===

After getting 100 kills with a weapon, the player is awarded with a dogtag to display their accomplishment. There appears to have been an oversight in the making of the SCAR-H dogtag, as it shows a [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR]] with what is very clearly a 5.56 STANAG magazine.

[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third Generation FN SCAR-L - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3_SCAR_L_dogtag.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

= Machine Guns =

== Heckler & Koch M27 IAR ==

The [[Heckler & Koch HK rifle series#Heckler & Koch M27 IAR|Heckler & Koch M27 IAR]] is the starting weapon for the US support class, and uses a 45-round extended magazine. It is shown with a 4-vent handguard, but the correct extended barrel for the version is shown, the handguard simply covering less of it.

[[Image:H&K M27 IAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch M27 IAR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-IAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M27 IAR equipped with a Trijicon RX01 reflex sight and tactical light in the mission "Kaffarov."]]

[[Image:Rrt877 iar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M240B ==

The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240B]] appears in the hands of some US Marines, and in the hands of the player character, fitted with an EOTech Holographic Weapon Sight (HWS). The trailer shows the weapon as having a deployable bipod which can be used to increase accuracy during prolonged firing, at the cost of player mobility.

[[Image:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240B with newer style lower handguard (designed to attach RIS rails via hex nut) - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3-M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Blackburn's fellow Marines, Montes, holds his M240B fitted with an M145 Machine Gun Optic.]]
[[File:BF3 M240B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an M240B with M145 Machine Gun Optic.]]

== M249E3 Para SAW / Mk 46 Mod 0 Hybrid ==

An [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249E3 Para SAW]] is featured in the game. It has a STANAG magazine well, identifying it as an M249 rather than a Mark 46, but the fixed buttstock and rail system are features of the Mk 46 Mod 0. This configuration is typical of Airsoft "Mk 46" guns which have Mk 46 features but retain their STANAG wells.

[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN M249 Para - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mk46.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mk 46 Mod 0 light machine gun - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M249-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds the hybrid SAW near the end of Operation Swordbreaker. Note the STANAG magazine well visible under the belt.]]
[[Image:BF3-SAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn sets up the bipod of his SAW.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 m249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

== M60E4 ==

The [[M60E4]] is the last MG to be unlocked in the Support kit. Extended magazines gifts the weapon with a massive 200 round box and this is visually shown on the weapon when attached.

[[Image:M60E4-mk43.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E4 Mk.43 with Picatinny rails, RIS foregrip, and ammo belt - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M60E4 with M145 Machine Gun Optic as Kaffarov's bodyguards have the brilliant idea of firing an RPG-7 indoors.]]

== QBB-95 ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBB-95]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Support kit. Uses 75 round drums by default, and can also use 100 round drums.

[[Image:QBB95Scope.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QBB-95 with 75-round drum magazine and 4x scope - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBB95-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBB-95 on the customise menu.]]

== QJY-88 ==

The [[Norinco QJY-88]] returns from Bad Company 2, once again called the "Type 88". This is quite odd, as the QBZ-95B, QBB-95, and QBU-88 all use their proper "QB" names.

[[Image:Type88gpmg2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Norinco QJY-88 - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QJY88-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky discovers a QJY-88 with the rare and for some reason unpopular linoleum-plated finish.]]

== PKP Pecheneg ==

The [[PK_Machine_Gun#PKP_Pecheneg_Machine_Gun|PKP Pecheneg]] has been seen in gameplay trailers.

[[Image:Pecheneg.jpg|thumb|401px|none|PKP Pecheneg machine gun with ammo box - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BF3-PKP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a PKP Pecheneg as he infiltrates someone's garage in "Operation Guillotine."]]
[[Image:BF3-PKP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovski uses his PKP Pecheneg to make some amendments to the internal layout of a building. Mostly new doors.]]

== RPK ==

The [[RPK light machine gun]] is the starting weapon for the Russian Support class. It is referred to in game as an "[[RPK light machine gun#RPK-74|RPK-74M]]", a modernised 5.45x39mm version with synthetic furnishings and a flash hider, despite that it is not shown with a flash hider. The weapon's damage matches the idea that it is a -74 model, as it is scaled to the 5.56mm machine guns, as opposed to behaving like a 7.62x39. When mounting optics the weapon gains side-mounted bracket for attaching them; if it does not mount optics, the bracket is not present. It can sometimes be found fitted with a vertical front grip attached to the underside of the handguard.

[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an RPK equipped with a Kobra reflex sight during "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks down at an RPK on the ground; note the lack of a rail under the handguard. Despite this, it can still mount a RIS foregrip.]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading an RPK fitted with an odd aftermarket bipod; the real RPK bipod is fixed just behind the front sight and folds backwards. This bipod is actually shorter than the magazine and therefore would not be particularly useful.]]

== L86A1 ==

The Enfield L86A1 is an upcoming weapon, being added as a part of the "Close Quarters" map pack.

[[File:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Enfield L86A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3 L86A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads his L86A1. Note that the image blur is from "suppression"]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== MG36 ===

Despite the fact that BF3's "MG36" is a hybrid of G36 variants, a configuration correct for an actual MG36 appears on the Dog Tag the player is awarded with for getting 500 kills with it.

= Sniper Rifles =

Unusually, Recon players can opt for low-magnification optics, unmagnified reflex/red-dot sights, or even iron-sights in lieu of the standard high-magnification optics.

== Barrett M98B ==

The [[Barrett M98B|M98B]] is the last bolt action unlocked. It is incredibly accurate and powerful, but is heavy and suffers from substantial sway unless a bipod is used.

[[Image:M98B.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M98B with Harris bipod - .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-98B-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn uses an M98B with the bipod set up as he assaults the bank at the end of "Operation Guillotine."]]

== Barrett M107 ==

The [[Barrett M107]] is confirmed to be in the game, however, DICE felt that the .50 caliber round it uses would either be overpowered if depicted properly, or feel useless if kept balanced, so they opted to simply not have it in multiplayer. It only appears in the singleplayer level "Kaffarov", where player character Dmitri Mayakovsky acquires it due to a somewhat bizarre series of events that don't seem to play out quite the way they were intended to. Here, it is equipped with a thermal scope. When reloading the weapon from empty, the player character removes the magazine and replaces it with his left hand, but in order the charge the weapon he utilizes his right hand. This is the only weapon animation in the game where the character utilizes both hands to reload.

[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the room ''before'' Dmitri Mayakovsky is actually supposed to get the M107, he acquires the M107 by approaching the door.]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On opening the door he finds an enemy sniper kindly carrying the M107 he already has, with the barrel pretending to be a bipod and the magazine very badly wanting to be the pistol grip.]]
[[Image:BF3-SV98-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Thank you, I had no idea why I was carrying that."]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky thanks the man by murdering him with his own SV-98 and proceeds onward, armed with the M107.]]

== Accuracy International G22==

The [[Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_series#Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_Magnum|Accuracy International G22]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack as the "L96", and can be used by the Recon kit. True to its reputation, the gun is extremely accurate at long ranges, with minimal bullet drop allowing for precise headshots.

[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-L96-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G22 on the customise menu.]]

== M39 EMR ==

The [[M14#M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle|M39 EMR]] is the last rifle unlocked for the Recon class. It can be unlocked earlier should a player receive 58,000 Co-Op Score.

[[Image:M-39EMR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M39-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M39 EBR rather curiously equipped with a Russian PK-AS optic as he looks around Kaffarov's villa. He might be a bad guy, but he sure knows how to keep the place neat.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ebr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 ebr reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M40A5 ==

The [[Remington Model 700#M40A5 Sniper Rifle|M40A5 sniper rifle]] is the second bolt-action rifle unlocked for the Recon class.

[[Image:M40A5.jpg|thumb|none|401px|M40A5 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a suppressed M40A5 fitted with an IR scope during the mission "Night Shift."]]

== Mk 11 Mod 0 ==

The [[Knight's_Armament_SR-25|Mk 11 Mod 0]] can be found occasionally in the single-player campaign. It is the default rifle for the US Recon kit in multiplayer, outfitted by standard with a 8x rifle scope.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-25 (known as Mk 11 Mod 0 in USMC and US Navy service) with suppressor and Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-Mod11-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn holds a scoped Mk 11 Mod 0 during Operation Swordbreaker.]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine sniper in multiplayer provides some overwatch with his scoped Mk 11 Mod 0.]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After some successful hunting, he reloads his rifle...]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...And hits the bolt-release. Note that the fire-selector is set to safe.]]

== Norinco NDM-86 ==

The .308 variant of the [[SVD_Dragunov#Norinco_NDM-86|Norinco NDM-86]] returns from ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]'', once again appearing as the ''[[SVD]]'' It is default for the Russian Recon Kit sporting a PKS-07 7x Scope by default, though the correct PSO-1 4x scope is the first attachment unlocked at only 10 kills.

[[Image:Ndm86.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco NDM-86 - .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3 NorincoNDM Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an NDM-86 fitted with a PKS-07 scope.]]

== QBU-88 ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBU-88]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Recon kit.

[[Image:Qbu-88-0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBU-88 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBU88-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBU-88 on the customise menu.]]

== SKS ==

The [[SKS rifle|SKS]] is seen mentioned in pre-order information. In-game, it has synthetic Tapco furniture and uses 20 round magazines.

[[Image:Sks_tapco_stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SKS with Tapco furniture installed as it appears ingame - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-SKS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SKS on the customise menu.]]
[[Image:BF3 SKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an SKS as he ponders if there might be a tank nearby.]]

== SV-98 ==

The [[SV-98]] returns as the first unlockable bolt action rifle.

[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98 with suppressor, bipod, carrying handle, and mirage band - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BF3-SV98-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During an extremely confusing QTE, an enemy sniper holds an SV-98.]]
[[Image:BF3 SV98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SV-98 fitted with the unnamed 12x scope, without a bipod.]]

= Launchers =

== FGM-148 Javelin ==

The [[FGM-148 Javelin|Javelin]] appears and can be used in either top-down or direct-fire modes, and obviously needs a lock to fire. In the campaign, Blackburn uses one during "Operation Guillotine;" here it has infinite ammunition. During the latter sequence, the Javelin is shown firing at absurdly short range; in real life it has a minimum range of around 250 feet.

[[Image:Javalin.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FGM-148 Javelin - 127mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Javelin-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harassed by tanks during "Operation Guillotine," Blackburn comes across his salvation in the form of an FGM-148 Javelin launcher.]]
[[Image:BF3-Javelin-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds the Javelin. Note the help text misidentifies it as a SMAW.]]

== FIM-92A Stinger ==

The [[FIM-92A Stinger]] appears as the American Engineer's anti-air launcher.

[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger - 70mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Stinger-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Finding himself under attack from an Su-25 "Frogfoot" ground-attack plane, Blackburn searches the wreckage of an M1161 "Growler" ITV. Thankfully, the Stinger is apparently made of stronger stuff than the light vehicle which exploded with it inside. The weapon resting on its unfolded tracking antenna cannot be good for the launcher.]]

== GP-30 ==

Interestingly, if the M320 is mounted to a Russian weapon, it instead becomes a [[GP-30]], though the name is not mentioned. It is still identified as an M320 in the kill feed. It is also correctly depicted firing VOG-25 caseless rounds, as the launcher is not flicked downwards to eject the spent casing as is common in first person shooters.

[[Image:Gp-30 ak-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-30 40mm grenade launcher mounted on an [[AK-74]] (5.45x39mm)]]

==Heckler & Koch M320 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch M320]] is the standard grenade launcher and can fire standard HE rounds, buckshot, or smoke rounds. It can either be mounted on the rifle, or standalone.

[[Image:XM320 stock extended.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch M320 with optional telescoping stock - 40x46mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a standalone M320 at the start of "Operation Guillotine." This appears to be randomly dropped by US infantry in this area.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As usual for an FPS protagonist, Blackburn is of the "pick a random notch and use it like a regular iron sight" school of leaf sight use.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the standalone M320; note the front grip visible and the fire selector always set to safe.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn reloads the M320 mounted under his HK416. Note that here he is removing the "spent" round; there appears to only be one grenade round model, so the fired round is shown unfired.]]

== M136 AT4 ==

The [[M136 AT4]] appears in the hands of US Marines and is equipped with a vertical foregrip. The AT4 will only appear in the Singleplayer campaign. It is incorrectly referred to as an "RPG".

[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M136 AT4 - 84mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn readies an AT4 as the squad try to take out a sniper hidden in a hotel.]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The results are fairly predictable.]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Throughout the campaign, Matkovic carries an AT4 on his back.]]

==M224 Mortar==

At the start of "Operation Guillotine," Blackburn is tasked with briefly carrying an [[M224 Mortar]] as he advances with his fellow Marines; here it cannot be used by the player, and is used by NPCs to fire illumination rounds during the night-time mission. In multiplayer it can be used by the Support class; the M224 in multiplayer has infinite ammunition and can fire smoke or HE rounds. In singleplayer, it is shown with no baseplate fitted, which would make it practically impossible to actually use.

[[Image:M224-60mm-mortar.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M224 Mortar - 60mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M224-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks at the set-up M224, wondering when he can have a go.]]

== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ==

The [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]] appears as the American Engineer's unguided rocket launcher.

[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW - 83mm]]
[[Image:BF3 SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player wields the MK 153 SMAW as he prepares to dish out some disproportionate retribution on some tumbleweeds for giving him allergies.]]

== RPG-7V2 ==

The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] is featured as the Russian Engineer's unguided rocket launcher.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BF3-RPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Practically invisible in his well-planned cover position, an Iranian soldier with an RPG-7 plots his next move.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 rpg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 rpg reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== SA-18 Grouse ==

The [[SA-18 Grouse]] (Russian: 9K38 Igla) appears as the Russian Engineer's anti-air launcher. As in the previous ''Battlefield'' games it is named "SA-18 Igla", using the US designation for the weapon, but the Russian nickname.

[[Image:Igla 191.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SA-18 Grouse launcher and missile - 72mm]]
[[Image:BF3BL9K38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The SA-18's in-game render, oddly enough, is an [[SA-7 Grail]].]]
[[Image:BF3 SA18 Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character holds an SA-18 in multiplayer as he wonders whether a checkpoint office counts as a vehicle.]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== GL1 ===
The F2000's GL1 appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the F2000, mounted to the rifle.

=== M203 ===
The [[M203]] appears on three Dog Tags. The first is the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the M320/GP-30 where it appears not mounted to anything, the second is the Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the M320/GP-30, where it appears mounted to an M16A1, and the third is the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the HK416, mounted to the rifle, just like it was in the ''Bad Company'' series.

= Explosives =

== M15 Anti-Tank mine ==

The [[M15 anti-tank mine|M15 Anti-Tank mine]] can be used by the Engineer kit. In Multiplayer mines that are placed can only be destroyed with explosives, shooting them has no effect. The mine is pressure activated, meaning only something heavy like a vehicle will set it off, infantry running across will not detonate it. Shooting the mine also has no effect.

[[Image:Landmine-dod-closeup.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M15 Anti-Tank mine]]
[[Image:BF3 ATMine Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character holds an M15 anti-tank mine.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==

[[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mines can also be used by the Support kit.

[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]

== M67 Hand Grenade ==

The [[M67 hand grenade]] is the primary grenade seen in ''Battlefield 3'', used by all factions. Instead of a grenade indicator, the body of the grenade flashes to make it more easily visible. Three grenades are carried in singleplayer. In multiplayer, every kit gets one as standard, but can equip two by using the "FRAG" specialization. There are two ways to throw grenades; either using a hotkey or by selecting the grenade as a weapon. The hotkey tosses the grenade instantly then switches back to the previously equipped weapon. Selecting the grenade manually allows multiple grenades to be thrown one after the other, and also allows the pin to be pulled and the grenade prepared for tossing - though as the spoon is held down, this does not actually "cook" the grenade's fuse.

[[Image:Baseball.jpg|thumb|none|250px|M67 hand grenade]]
[[Image:BF3-M67-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn readies an M67 grenade.]]

==M84 stun grenade==

Blackburn uses an [[M84 stun grenade]] to disorient a group of PLR fighters at the bottom of an elevator shaft.

[[Image:M84stun.jpg|thumb|none|M84 stun grenade]]
[[Image:BF3-Flashbang-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn, after managing not to fall to his death while rappelling down an elevator, readies an M84 "flashbang" grenade.]]
[[Image:BF3-Flashbang-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn throws the grenade. This frame and the next both show that, in common with many modern shooters, the thrown model is the same as the "in world" model for this grenade and so the safety lever is still attached.]]

= Mounted Weapons =

== AT-14 Spriggan ==

The [[AT-14 Spriggan]] appears in the game as the Russian counter to the American BGM-71 TOW mentioned below, and is also a secondary weapon on the BMP-2M APC.

[[Image:AT14-Spriggan.JPG|thumb|none|400px|AT-14 Spriggan launcher and missile - 152mm]]

== BGM-71 TOW ==

The [[BGM-71 TOW]] appears in the game as an emplaced anti-tank missile launcher for the US faction.

[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW on M220 tripod - 152mm]]

== Browning M2HB ==

The [[Browning M2#Browning M2 Heavy Barrel|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]] appears in the game mounted on vehicles, including M1A2 Abrams tanks. In terms of gameplay, the M2HB behaves more like a medium machine gun, requiring three or four shots to kill infantry, and dozens to disable a vehicle. In multiplayer, M1 tanks can be fitted with an M2HB mounted above the main cannon. When mounted like this, the M2's rate of fire slows to about 400rpm but gains a damage bonus that puts its power more in line with its real life counterpart. These changes were likely made to keep heavy machine guns from being overly powerful compared to other weapons.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun in vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the end of "Uprising," Blackburn takes control of an M2HB mounted on a Humvee as he defends a landing zone until a V-22 Osprey can extract the scattered Marines.]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Near the end of "Thunder Run," Sergeant Jonathan Miller mans his tank's .50 cal. It seems in the game's fiction the US Marine Corps has upgraded their Abrams tanks, since Anvil 3 is an M1A2, currently used only by the US Army. Note the TUSK gunshields for the missing loader's M240 are instead fitted to the M2.]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M2HB mounted on M1161 "Growler" ITV.]]

== DShK heavy machine gun (mounting) ==

Mountings for the [[DShK heavy machine gun]] can be seen on Iranian Type-72Z main battle tanks, modernised versions of the Russian T-55. These tanks seem to have been modelled from museum display vehicles, since the gun itself is missing from the mounting.

[[Image:DShKM-vehicle-mount.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DShKM heavy machine gun in standard vehicle mounting on a Romanian TR-85 main battle tank - 12.7x108mm]]
[[Image:BF3-DShK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An Iranian Type-72Z shows off the DShK it conspicuously does not have. Note the border at the edge of the screenshot is authentic, intended to display the edge of the Abrams' display screen as the vehicle moves around.]]

== GAU-8/A Avenger ==

The [[General Electric GAU-8/A Avenger]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack jet.

[[Image:GAU-8A.jpg|thumb|400px|none|GAU-8/A Avenger complete with feed system and 1,174 round drum - 30x173mm]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jennifer Hawkins looks out at an A-10 Thunderbolt II armed with a GAU-8 during the mission "Going Hunting."]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Later in the mission Hawkins gets to call in gun runs from the A-10, here shown on thermal.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

The [[GE M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on AH-6 Little Birds in both single and multiplayer.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" opens fire with its M134 minigun. Note that tracers are treated as solid by the engine, meaning the underside of what should be a bright light source is shown in shadow here. This is only really visible in stills.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==

Two [[M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|GAU-17/A miniguns]] are mounted on the sides of UH-1Y helicopters. More strangely, two are mounted on the windows of Kaffarov's Ka-60 Kasatka helicopter in the singleplayer campaign.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-17/A can be seen mounted on Kaffarov's private helicopter as Dmitri Mayakovsky dangles from it. Note it has no ammo feed.]]

== Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 ==

The [[Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30#GSh-30-1|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the Su-35BM Flanker-E fighter jet.

[[Image:GSH30 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 with ammo belt 30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the mission "Going Hunting," Hawkins faces several Su-35BM Flanker-E aircraft, incorrectly referred to throughout as "MiGs." This error is only present in the text in this mission; they are correctly named elsewhere in the game.]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chased by ''Shark 4-6'', one Su-35BM decides to show off with Pugachev's Cobra manoeuvre...]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...giving Hawkins a nice look at its missile armament.]]

==Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2==

The [[Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the Su-25TM (Su-39) Frogfoot ground attack jet.

[[Image:GSh-30-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2 30mm automatic cannon - 30x165mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Frogfoot-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Su-39 Frogfoot ground attack aircraft flies over as Blackburn finds himself between Iraq and a hard place.]]
[[Image:BF3-Frogfoot-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It soon returns for a series of gun runs as Blackburn has to move from cover to cover to find a Stinger. The Frogfoot here is basically firing a death ray with a deadzone around pieces of cover; moving out of cover is instant death during the time that counts as its attack even if it has already flown overhead and stopped firing.]]

== Kord ==

The [[Kord heavy machine gun]] is mounted on the T-90A tank, Russian army buggies and Vodniks, and a number of technicals. It behaves very similarly to the [[Browning M2#Browning M2 Heavy Barrel|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]]: more in line with a medium machine gun, and can be mounted on a T-90 with a lowered rate of fire but higher shot-for-shot damage.

[[Image:Kord 02.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Kord heavy machine gun with ammo box - 12.7x108mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks over a Kord machine gun mounted on a technical.]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|He soon discovers the hard way that manning a Kord during an earthquake is a bad idea.]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A T-90 MBT opens fire with its main gun, the massive muzzle flash illuminating the Commander's Kord heavy machine gun.]]

== M61 Vulcan ==

The [[M61 Vulcan#M61 Vulcan|M61 Vulcan]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter jets. M61s are also seen in Phalanx installations on American warships, and in multiplayer the US base is protected by a land-based Phalanx C-RAM installation.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M61 Vulcan - 20mm]]
[[Image:Phalanx.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Phalanx CIWS - 20mm]]
[[Image:C-RAM_3.JPG|thumb|none|401px|Land-based Phalanx C-RAM mounting on a mobile trailer - 20mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M61-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In the mission "Gone Hunting" the player character is Lieutenant Jennifer Hawkins, WSO of an F/A-18F "Super Hornet" callsign ''Shark 4-6'' assigned to CVN-77 USS ''George H.W. Bush''.]]
[[Image:BF3-Phalanx-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawkins climbs up to the deck of the USS ''George H.W. Bush'', spotting the USS ''Ford'' (FFG-54), an ''Oliver Hazard Perry''-class frigate in the distance. This incorrectly mounts bow and stern Phalanx installations; while a future block upgrade is planned to add a forward gun over the removed SM-1 missile launcher of nine of the ''Perry''-class, this will be a Mk 38 Mod 2 (a remote-controlled navalised [[M242 Bushmaster chaingun]]), not a second Phalanx.]]
[[Image:BF3-M61-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The two Hornets ''Shark 4-2'' and ''Shark 4-6'' overfly the US fleet, giving plenty of glimpses of Phalanx installations on the various ships.]]
[[Image:BF3-C-RAM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up look at a land-based Phalanx C-RAM in multiplayer.]]

== M197 Vulcan ==

The [[M61 Vulcan#General Dynamics M197 Vulcan|M197 Vulcan]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the AH-1Z Viper attack helicopter.

[[Image:M197Gatling.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M197 Vulcan - 20mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M197-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Miller looks up at a friendly AH-1Z Viper during the mission "Thunder Run."]]
[[Image:BF3-M197 Vulcan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at an AH-1Z Viper's M197 Vulcan cannon.]]

== GAU-12/U ==

The [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U#GAU-12/U|GAU-12/U]] is the main gun on the LAV-AD in multiplayer. It should be noted that the LAV-AD itself is technically anachronistic as it has been removed from service.

[[Image:GAU-12U.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-12/U with unfired rounds - 25mm]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-12U.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-12/U mounted on an LAV-AD.]]

== GAU-22/A ==

The [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U#GAU-22/A|GAU-22/A]] appears in the game as the secondary weapon of F-35B Lightning II aircraft on some multiplayer maps, such as the revamped version of Gulf of Oman.

[[Image:F-35 GAU-22A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GAU-22/A - 25mm]]

== M240C ==

The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240C machine gun]] is coaxially mounted on the M1A2 Abrams MBT.

[[Image:M240C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240C machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M240C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller runs back towards the tank column after retrieving the "clicker" trigger for an M58 Mine Clearing Line Charge.]]

== M242 Bushmaster ==

The [[M242 Bushmaster chaingun]] is the main gun of the LAV-25.

[[Image:M242 25mm gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M242 Bushmaster chaingun - 25mm]]
[[Image:BF3-LAV-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn and his fellow Marines get out of their own LAV-25 and look over someone else's at the start of "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[Image:BF3-LAV-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks over another LAV-25 during the mission "Rock and a Hard Place."]]

== Mk 19 ==

The [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] is seen mounted on M1114 Humvees and AAVP7A1 amphibious transports.

[[Image:US_Mk._19_40mm_grenade_machine-gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 19 grenade launcher on vehicle mount - 40mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller looks over an AAVP7A1, mounting an M2HB and a Mark 19 grenade launcher in the commander's mini-turret.]]

== PKT ==

The [[PK Machine Gun#Kalashnikov PK/PKM Machine Gun|PKT machine gun]] is coaxially mounted on the T-90A and T-72 MBTs.

[[Image:Machine gun PKT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PKT machine gun with 250-round ammo drum - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:BF3-T72-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller gets a little ''too'' close to an Iranian T-72. The coaxial gun on the T-72 is mounted to the right of the main gun; the view is blocked from most angles (including this one) by the searchlight mounted next to it.]]

== Shipunov 2A42 ==

The [[Shipunov 2A42]] appears in the game as the main gun of the BMP-2M and BTR-90 APCs, and the secondary armament of the Mi-28 Havoc helicopter.

[[Image:Shipunov 2A42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Shipunov 2A42 - 30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Shipunov-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn advances on a BMP-2M during "Rock and a Hard Place," the IFV seemingly oblivious to his dastardly rocket-launching ambitions.]]

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CommanderLukas:

Battlefield 3

2012-04-10T01:38:13Z

CommanderLukas: /* Remington ACR */

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[[Image:Bf3-pc-cover.jpg|thumb|300px|right|''Battlefield 3'' (2011)]]

'''''Battlefield 3''''' (also known as '''''BF3''''') is the twelfth installment of the ''[[Battlefield|Battlefield series]]'', and direct sequel to ''[[Battlefield 2]]''. The game was developed by the Swedish company Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment (DICE) and published by Electronic Arts in 2011 for the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360. The game is powered by the proprietary Frostbite 2 engine, a further development of the engine used in the ''Bad Company'' games.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''Battlefield 3'':'''
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= Handguns =

== Beretta 92SB ==

The [[Beretta 92SB]], modified to resemble the [[Beretta 93R|93R]], can be unlocked as a sidearm in Co-Op requiring a 86,000 Co-Op Score. The weapon has been fitted with the 93R's muzzle brake and foregrip, as well as being modified to fire 3 round bursts. Uses 20 round magazines.

[[Image:BerettaM92SB.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92SB - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bf3_93r_slide_locked.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character stops to admire his custom weapon.]]

== Beretta M9 ==

In the beginning of the single-player mission "Semper Fidelis" and "The Great Destroyer", Blackburn acquires a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92F/FS|Beretta M9]]. It can also be seen holstered on some US Marine throughout the single-player campaign. In multiplayer it is the starting handgun for US forces. Another note of interest is that unlike in [[Battlefield: Bad Company 2]] and [[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'s multiplayer, the M9's magazine is 15 rounds + 1 in the chamber like in reality. In multiplayer, Players can unlock additional M9's outfitted with a Tactical Light and a Sound Suppressor separately as they level (rank) up.

[[Image:M9-pistolet.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta M9 - 9x19mm.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an M9 at the start of the introductory mission "Semper Fidelis." This one of only two times in the entire campaign the player character has a sidearm.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A US Marine holds a M9 in multiplayer.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M9 being reloaded in multiplayer.]]
[[File:BF3-M9-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine aims at a suspicious looking M1161 "Growler" ITV. Note that the sights are correct for a M9.]]
[[File:Bf3_M9_suppressed.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The M9 with a suppressor. Different classes of weapon use different suppressor models, but those models are shared among the weapons of that class. The only exceptions to this are the G3A3 and SCAR-H CQC, which use the same model as the sniper rifles because of their caliber.]]

== Glock 17 ==

The [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] is shown in an official screenshot for the Battlelog. Called "G17C", although it is modeled after a standard Glock 17 as there are no compensator cuts on the top of the slide. It comes standard with a laser sight, while a variant that has both a laser sight and a suppressor is available as a later unlock. It is the only handgun that lets you equip two attachments at a time. Also, all of the US Assault kit soldiers have a G17 in a chest holster in addition to whatever their selected sidearm is, and this G17 does not have a laser.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BF3-Glock-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A dead PLR soldier with a Glock 17 at his side.]]

[[File:Rrt877 g17c.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glock 17 in multiplayer.]]
[[File:Rrt877 g17c reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Glock 17 in multiplayer reloading.]]

== Glock 18 ==

The [[Glock 18]] appears as the "G18". It has an extended magazine base that gives it a 19 round capacity. Interestingly enough in the beta, the suppressed Glock 18 is unlocked before the standard unsuppressed variant (though this has been fixed in the regular game and the unsuppressed version is unlocked at Rank 30 with the suppressed variant unlocked at 41). Note that the Battlelog picture (seen below) lacks a fire selector, but is actually different than that G17's picture. This is most likely because it is from an early build of the game, as it appears correctly in-game. It is an incredibly effective sidearm in close quarters, but is useless at medium range and beyond unless burst fired.

[[Image:Glock18c_01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm. The model in-game is not a "C" model.]]
[[Image:BF3BLG18.jpg|thumb|none|350px|G18 in-game render.]]

== MEU(SOC) Pistol==

The USMC variant of the [[M1911]], the [[M1911_pistol_series#M45_.2F_MEU.28SOC.29|M-45]], can be used if the player is a Battlefield Veteran or a member of the EA Gun Club. All three variants of the M1911 are also unlocked for multiplayer by completing the single player campaign. It is a standard M1911A1 with a three-hole trigger, a Springfield slide, commander-style hammer, beavertail grip safety, Pachmayr rubber grips, and uses 8 round magazines. It comes with additional variants that incorporate a Tactical Flashlight or Sound Suppressor. A variant with both aforementioned attachments is available only to DICE employees.

[[File:Silver MEU.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MEU(SOC) Pistol - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character in multiplayer holds a MEU(SOC) pistol.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the MEU(SOC) pistol in multiplayer, the player character dumps the empty magazine...]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and lines up a fresh one (that's actually loaded) with the magazine well. Note that the markings and slanted serrations show it is a Springfield made slide.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character aims down the tritium sights of his MEU(SOC) pistol.]]
[[Image:BF3-MEU(SOC)-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A player character vaults over a fence with his MEU(SOC) pistol, appreciative of the fact that he actually has legs in this game.]]

== MP-412 REX ==

The [[MP-412 REX|MP-412]] revolver returns from ''Bad Company'' and ''Bad Company 2'' as an unlockable sidearm that can only be unlocked by achieving a 5000 Co-Op Score. Unlike in ''Bad Company 2'', the top break cartridge ejector is seen in full effect actually ejecting spent rounds as opposed to "flicking" them out. It is considerably different by having a slightly faster rate of fire and being more effective at close range compared to it's larger .44 cousin.

[[Image:Mp-412-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP-412 REX - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3 REX.jpg|600px|thumb|none|The player character in multiplayer holds an MP-412 REX.]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_1.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Pictured: the automatic extractor in action. Not pictured: Antigravity field generator.]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]
[[image:Bf3_MP412_reload_3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|]]

== MP-443 Grach ==

The [[Yarygin_PYa#MP-443_Grach|MP-443]] returns from ''Bad Company 2'' and is the Russian faction's sidearm. In Multiplayer the player unlocks the Tactical Light and Sound Suppressor as they level up instead of by gaining kills with the weapon.

[[Image:MP433Grach.jpg|none|thumb|400px|MP-443 Grach - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MP443-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vladimir uses his MP-443 as one of Solomon's men demonstrates how not to steal a car stereo.]]
[[Image:BF3-MP443-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his MP-443 on Blackburn as he tries to blame everything on a fire extinguisher.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 grach 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 grach reload 16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Taurus Model 444 ==

The .44 version of the [[Taurus Model 44]], the Model 444, appears as an unlockable sidearm, and can be fitted with a scope. Appears as ".44 Magnum", one of the few weapons in game that does not go by its proper name. In the campaign, the antagonist Solomon uses one as his personal sidearm. In multiplayer, a variant with a PK-A scope is fittingly unlocked at Rank 44.

[[Image:Taurus 44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 444 with 6" barrel - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Solomon aims his Taurus Model 444 at Blackburn during the introductory level. Visible in the full-sized image is what appears to be an empty speedloader hovering in mid-air behind the weapon, just above Solomon's wrist.]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn soon finds himself getting a closer look at the barrel.]]
[[Image:BF3-Taurus44-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Prior to the start of "Uprising," Solomon is seen aiming his Taurus at an injured Marine.]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
A large number of weapons appear on dog tags associated with a similar weapon, weapon of the same family, weapon of the same category, or in a few cases, weapons that make no sense at all. As there are so many, the weapons found '''only''' on dog tags have been placed in their own category at the bottom of each class of weapon. This is to avoid confusion as to which weapons are actually in the game and which ones are only pictures.

=== Colt 1873 ===
The [[Single Action Army|Colt 1873]], more commonly known as the Single Action Army, is featured on the Dog Tag the player is rewarded with when they get the ''Handgun Medal'', for getting the ''Handgun Ribbon'' 50 times. A ''Handgun Ribbon'' is awarded when the player kills four enemies with handguns in a game, and can be awarded multiple times in a game.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Action Army w/ 5.5" barrel known as the "Artillery" model. The most common of the SAA revolvers as it is just the right length. - .45 Long Colt]]
[[Image:BF3SAA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|The Western-themed ''Handgun Dog Tag''.]]

=== Colt M1911A1 ===
The [[M1911A1]] appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the MEU(SOC) pistol.

=== Makarov PB ===
The [[Makarov PM#Makarov PB|Makarov PB]] very oddly appears on the Dog Tag awarded for getting 100 kills with the Suppressed MP-443 Grach. Though they are both suppressed Russian pistols, they have almost nothing else in common.

= Submachine Guns =

Unlike previous games in the series, SMGs are all-kit unlockables, and not strictly limited to an Engineer/Spec Ops-type class.

== Heckler & Koch MP7A1 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch MP7|H&K MP7A1]] can be unlocked and used by any kit. It can use either a 20- or 40-round magazine. It must be unlocked in the Co-Op mode, requiring 34,000 Score. It does low damage to enemies, but has a very high rate of fire and manageable recoil to balance it out. An interesting thing to note is that this weapon has separate reload animations for the 20 and 40 round magazines (the 20 round magazine is dropped via the use of gravity, while the 40 round magazine is manually removed).

[[Image:MP7 40rdmag.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight and 40-round magazine - 4.6x30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an MP7A1 with suppressor, EOTech sight and 40-round extended magazine during the mission "Night Shift."]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn loads a new 40-round magazine into his MP7A1 as he is menaced by a series of incomprehensible graffiti tags.]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The 20-round magazine for the MP7A1 frequently glitches and fails to appear during the campaign; here in "The Great Destroyer" Blackburn reloads one with a large flash suppressor, IRNV scope and laser pointer...]]
[[Image:BF3-MP7-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...whereas earlier he just told his vanilla one to imagine it was full of bullets that were ''this'' big.]]

== Heckler & Koch UMP45 ==

This weapon can be used by all four classes, and has an ammo capacity of 25 + 1. The game correctly depicts the UMP's single / 2 round burst / full auto firing modes.

[[Image:UMP_45.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch UMP45 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:BF3-UMP-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his UMP during "The Great Destroyer," wondering why he didn't have it the first time he went through this section. Note the caution on the side of the weapon to read the owner's manual; while this makes some sense on this level where the UMPs are seen in the hands of terrorists, the warning is still present even in "Operation Guillotine" when the UMPs are used by the US military; military UMPs should not have it.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ump.jpg|thumb|none|601px|UMP in Multiplayer.]]

== FN P90 TR ==

The FN P90 TR boasts a large ammo capacity at 50 + 1, a high rate of fire, and excellent accuracy at the expense of suffering from low damage at long distance. The weapon is capable of being used by all four classes in multiplayer.
[[Image:FN_P90_Triple_Rail_(TR).jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN P90TR - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:BF3-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a P90TR during the mission "Comrades."]]

== PP-19 Bizon ==

The [[Izhmash PP-19 Bizon|PP-19 Bizon]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by any kit. The weapon features a slightly inaccurate magazine capacity of 54 rounds (where the real life 9x19mm Parabellum helical magazine has a max capacity of 53).

[[Image:Bizon1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Early PP-19 Bizon - 9x18mm Makarov. The version in game is this early model, but is chambered in 9x19mm Parabellum.]]
[[Image:BF3-PP19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|PP-19 Bizon on the customise menu.]]

== PP-2000 ==

The [[PP-2000]] returns from ''Bad Company 2'', feeling much more realistic this time around, with a more believable firing rate and packing a decent punch per shot, as opposed to the previous game, in which its firing rate was more akin to a Minigun and its power-per-shot around the area of lightly tossing a handful of pebbles at your opponent's face. Comes standard with a 20 round mag, and a 40 round extended mag can be unlocked.

[[Image:Pp-2000.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PP-2000 with red dot sight - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BF3-PP2000-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his PP-2000 after completing a HALO jump into Northern Iran at the start of the mission "Kaffarov."]]

= Shotguns =

For the first time in a main ''Battlefield'' series game (excluding spinoffs like ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]''), shotguns can be iron-sighted, and like the SMGs, can be used in every kit. In addition, DICE made it so that their shotguns have considerable range, unlike most videogames where you have to see the whites of the enemies' eyes for shotguns to be effective.

== SWD / Cobray Street Sweeper ==

The [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#SWD.2FCobray_Street_Sweeper|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper]] is included, identifiable by the winding key on the front of the drum magazine and lack of a rear-mounted drum advance lever. The weapon is referred to as the "DAO-12" in material advertising the game's pre-order rewards, as it was in ''[[Battlefield 2]]''; this stands for "double action only, 12 gauge" and is a ''description'' of the weapon rather than a correct name for it. The name was kept as an homage to ''Battlefield 2''. The weapon has an incorrect capacity of 8-rounds by default, but the correct 12 if the extended magazine attachment is used. This is most likely for balance, so players can't use a semi-auto, 12 round shotgun AND 3 attachments on top of that.

[[Image:CobrayStreetSweeper.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SWD/Cobray Street Sweeper with short barrel and top folding stock - 12 gauge. Visible is the Cobray logo on the side, no visible drum advance lever like on the Striker and the recognizable 'key' in the front of the drum for winding up the rotary cylinder.]]
[[File:BF3-Streetsweeper-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a Street Sweeper fitted with a Kobra reflex sight at the start of the mission "Kaffarov."]]

== Benelli M1014 ==

The [[Benelli M4 Super 90|Benelli M1014]] features semi-automatic firing and its tactical stock fully extended during gameplay. Magazine capacities available are either the civilian legal 4+1, or the full-length 6+1 (Indicating the use of 3-inch magnum rounds. The full-length tube normally holds seven 2.75-inch rounds). When reloading from empty, the player character loads a round into the chamber first, then fills the tube, and using the extended option will change the model's magazine tube accordingly, just like the 870 MCS. It's unrealistically inaccurate despite having a Cylinder Bore.

[[Image:M4Super90.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Benelli M4 Super 90 with 7-shot tube - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-M1014-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M1014 during the mission "Comrades."]]

[[Image:Rrt877 m1014.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1014 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 m1014 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M1014 in MP, reloading.]]

== M26 MASS ==

The [[M26 MASS]] can be used only in the Assault kit in the "Gadget 1" slot. It may be used either as a standalone weapon, or mounted on any of the assault rifles if said rifle is equipped with the underslung rail. It can fire buckshot, flechettes, FRAG-12 rounds, or slugs, same as the other shotguns. For some odd reason, the AEK-971 and AN-94 cannot mount the M26 MASS despite having underslung rails. A model glitch exists on some weapons that mount the M26 MASS where the charging handle will stay up even when the weapon is not in use.

[[Image:XM26 2 highRes.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 MASS - 12 gauge, mounted on [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 carbine]] with C-More red dot sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:XM26.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Standalone version of M26 MASS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3 Mass.jpg|thumb|none|600px|M26 standalone.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 mass mounted.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MASS mounted on a M16A3 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 mass mounted reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|MASS mounted on a M16A3 in MP, reloading.]]

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

The [[Pancor Jackhammer]], called the "MK3A1," is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by any kit. It can be safely assumed it will not emulate the real weapon's problems with failing to cycle. It is fully automatic and the only shotgun that can mount a suppressor. It should be noted that the suppressor does absolutely nothing to make the Jackhammer any more quiet and doesn't actually show up on the gun. In fact, the only thing the suppressor does is take up an attachment slot.

[[Image:Jackhammer.jpg‎|400px|thumb|none|Pancor Jackhammer - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-Jackhammer-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jackhammer on the customisation screen.]]

== Remington 870 MCS ==

The [[Remington 870|Remington 870 MCS]] appears as the "870MCS". The player pumps the shotgun very quickly, which makes it seem almost semi-automatic in-game, like a pump action combat shotgun should be. Magazine capacities are either the standard 4+1, or the extended 6+1. As with the M1014, when reloading from empty the player character loads a round into the chamber first, then fills the tube, and using the extended option will change the model's magazine tube

[[Image:Remington_870MCS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 MCS - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-MCS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an 870 MCS with a tactical light during the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-MCS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Blackburn's starting weapons in "Operation Guillotine" is this Remington 870 MCS with a laser aiming module. Precisely what this is for when he has his Big Magic White Circle for aiming with is unclear.]]
[[File:Bf3_870MCS_Frag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Firing a 12 gauge fragmentation round from the 870. It looks impressive and can suppress enemies well, but it does about as much damage as a firecracker without a direct hit.]]
[[File:BF3_chamberload_870mcs_ext_mag.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chamberloading an 870 that has an extended magazine.]]

== Saiga-12K ==

The [[Izhmash Saiga series shotgun|Saiga-12K]] returns from ''Battlefield 2'' and is the second semi-auto shotgun unlocked. Magazine capacities are either the standard 5+1, or an extended 10+1 (originally 8+1, following the maximum factory capacity, changed after the 4th update).

[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Saiga-12K - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds a rather beat-up camouflaged Saiga 12K during the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mission "Kaffarov" can be a little on the strange side at times; here Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a Saiga 12K fitted with a laser aiming module and PK-AS optic, watching in bemusement as shooting the windshield of a car makes two men who had clipped inside it dramatically leap through the roof. For a finishing touch, the car exploded immediately afterwards.]]
[[Image:BF3-Saiga-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Wary of any other weirdness, Dmitri reloads his Saiga 12K.]]

== USAS-12 ==

The [[USAS-12]] is the only full-auto shotgun in-game, barring Back to Karkand's MK3A1 Jackhammer. The magazine capacity is incorrectly 6+1 by standard or the correct 10+1 with the extended magazines equipped, most likely for balance, same as the Striker. When optics are attached it becomes a WM-12, an American semi-auto clone of the USAS-12, but with a rail instead of the carry handle. Like all shotguns, it can utilise standard Buckshot, Slugs, Flechettes and explosive FRAG-12 rounds as well as fit a variety of accessories and attachments.

[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daewoo USAS-12 with 10-round magazine - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:BF3-USAS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads his USAS-12, which, according to the trademarks, was made by "Baewoo Brecisions" of Korea.]]

== SPAS-12 ==

The [[SPAS-12]] will be one of the 10 guns appearing in the upcoming Close Quarters expansion pack. Nothing else is known about it, except that the stock is unfolded.

[[Image:BF3SPAS12.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SPAS-12 - 12 gauge]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== SPAS-12 ===
One of the strangest weapons to appear on a different weapon's Dog Tag, the [[SPAS-12]] appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the USAS-12. Other than four capital letters followed by "-12", both being 12-gauge, and that they were both in the [[Battlefield: Bad Company]] series, they have little in common.

= Assault Rifles & Battle Rifles =

== 5,56A-91 ==

The [[5,56A-91]] appears as part of the incredibly vague "Compact Assault Rifle" classification, and thus is used by the 'Engineer' kit. It does not have its 40mm grenade launcher. It is the successor to the [[9A-91]] from ''Bad Company 2'', albeit firing the 5.56mm NATO round instead of the 9A-91's 9x39mm one. Called "[[A-91]]" in the game, which refers to the 7.62x39mm variant.

[[Image:A91.jpg|thumb|none|400px|5,56A-91 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-A91-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky looks at fellow GRU agent Vladimir holding a 5,56A-91 as they go to work at the start of "Comrades."]]
[[Image:Rrt877 a-91.jpg|thumb|none|600px|5,56A-91 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 a-91 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|5,56A-91 in MP reloading.]]

== AEK-971 ==

The [[AEK-971]] is an unlock for the Assault kit. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320. It cannot mount the M26 MASS due to a bug on the Xbox 360 version.

[[Image:aek971_545.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AEK-971 (Current Model) with folding stock - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AEK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an AEK-971 near the start of the mission "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3 AEK971.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-971 in Battlefield 3 with Kobra Red dot sight and foregrip attached. Note that because of a glitch, both the indirect flightpath crosshair and the standard crosshair appear when switching rapidly between the grenade launcher and primary weapon. Switching to secondary weapon and back again fixes this issue.]]

[[Image:Rrt877_aek2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-917 in MP.]]
[[Image:Rrt877 aek2 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|AEK-917 in MP, reloading.]]

== AK-74M ==

The [[AK-74#AK-74|AK-74M]] has been seen in gameplay trailers. It is the standard assault rifle used by the Russian 'Assault' kit. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320.

[[Image:AK-74M.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-74M - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an AK-74M equipped with a PSO-1 scope during "Operation Swordbreaker." Weapons on the ground do not show their attachments or have text signifying what they have attached, meaning occasionally picking up a boring-looking vanilla weapon will result in the player character producing Excalibur as here.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ak74m.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 ak74m reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== AKS-74U ==

The [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]] has been seen in gameplay trailers. In multiplayer, the AKS-74U, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit, and is the starting weapon for Russian Engineers.

[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AKS-74U - 5.45x39mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-AKS-74U-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn wrestles with one of Solomon's men during the introductory mission "Semper Fidelis." On the Xbox 360 version before the Back to Karkand update, this terrorist was instead armed with a UMP45, but still gives Blackburn an AKS-74U when he dies.]]
[[Image:BF3-AKS-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the start of the mission "Uprising," Blackburn relieves a PLR soldier of this AKS-74U with a Kobra reflex sight, suppressor and tactical light.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 aks74u.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 aks74u reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Aks74u in multiplayer, note the milled receiver.]]

== AN-94 ==

The [[AN-94]] returns from the Bad Company series. The AN-94's dual-rate full-auto mode has been correctly featured in Battlefield 3. When set to burst, the weapon fires an 1800RPM 2-round burst, and when set to full auto, it fires the first two shots at 1800RPM, while the rest are fired at 600RPM. If the M320 is selected and mounted on the weapon, it will instead be a GP-30, though if set to standalone, will still be an M320. The AN-94 is unique in that it starts in 2-round burst by default, in contrast to every other weapon in BF3, which all use the most aggressive fire mode available by default, usually full auto. Before a patch, the weapon lacked the semi-automatic mode found on the real weapon, instead featuring only the 2-burst and full-auto modes. One detail that should be noted is that in the single-player campaign, the 2 round burst is shown to incorrectly fire at the 600 rpm as opposed to the correct 1800 rpm, though this may be fixed as the game still contains a handful of bugs. Interesting note about the way the player character reloads the AN-94, he flicks the magazine out with another magazine, the same applies to the AEK-971.

[[Image:Russian AN-94 Abakan Nikonov 5.45x39mm assault rifle 3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|AN-94 Abakan Nikonov - 5.45x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AN94-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds an AN-94 equipped with a PKS-07 long-range scope as he looks over an airdropped Russian D-30 122mm howitzer during the mission "Rock and a Hard Place."]]

== AS Val ==

The [[AS Val]] appears as an all kit weapon, most likely due to its small size and unique integrated suppressor, making it too specialized for any specific kit.

[[Image:As val1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AS Val - 9x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-ASVal-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds his starting weapon, an AS Val assault rifle with a Kobra reflex sight, during the mission "Comrades."]]
[[Image:BF3-ASVal-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Kiril holds his AS Val near the end of "Comrades."]]

== Colt M4/M4A1 ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] is commonly seen in gameplay footage which is also in the hands of the main character. During the alpha stages footage, the in-game M4A1 can be seen fitted with iron sights, EOTech 552 Holographic sight, Trijicon TA01NSN 4x32 ACOG scope, Surefire Universal Weaponlight, AN/PEQ-2 laser designator, Magpul Ranger Plate, and a SOPMOD stock. Two different "reload-from-empty" animations have been seen. The "Fault Line" trailers had the player rack the charging handle, while in the more recent Operation Metro trailer, and the rest since then, the player uses the bolt release. It has been confirmed that both the M4A1 (full-auto) and M4 (3-round burst) will be available for use within the game. The standard M4/M4A1 has a KAC RIS handguard, Crane SOPMOD stock, Hogue pistol grip, M16A1 flash hider, and Magpul Ranger Plates. In multiplayer, the M4A1, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit, and is the starting weapon for US Engineers.

[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 Carbine - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-1.jpg‎|602px|thumb|none|Blackburn holds an M4A1 during "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Blackburn reloads his M4A1. "For law enforcement / military use" is printed on the side of the EOTech optic. Note also the fire selector on semi-auto.]]
[[Image:BF3-M4-3.jpg|600px|thumb|none|Reloading with the rifle in shadow reveals a snake-like design engraved on the mag well; this is present in ''[[Medal of Honor (2010)|Medal of Honor]]'', though as a dark shape that shows up in light rather than a silvery etching that only shows up in the dark. Also note that the semi-auto position reads "Fire", meaning it was modeled on a civilian M4 variant, which also explains why the selector is in this position.]]

== Colt M16A3/M16A4 ==

The [[M16 rifle series#M16A4 Rifle|M16A4 rifle]] was one of the first weapons to be shown in early gameplay footage, but was lacking rear iron sights and even optical sights because of the alpha stage development; these were added later on. Some later footage showed the M16 with the gas block missing when mounting sights, but this too was corrected in the final release. Both the M16A3 (full-auto) and M16A4 (3-round burst) are available for use within the game. They have [[M16 rifle series#M16A1 Rifle|M16A1]] flash hiders, KAC RIS handguards with a rail cover on the right side rail, a Hogue pistol grip, Magpul loops on the magazines, and a cloth sleeve wrapped around the stock. It is the standard assault rifle used by the US 'Assault' kit.

[[Image:M16A4withANPEQ&ACOG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M16A4 MWS (Modular Weapon System) with RAS rails installed, AN/PEQ-2 IR designator, RIS foregrip, and Trijicon 4x32 ACOG scope - 5.56x45mm. This is the USMC style setup.]]
[[Image:BF3-M16-1.jpg|601px|thumb|none|Blackburn holds his M16A3 during Operation Swordbreaker.]]
[[Image:BF3-M16-2.jpg|600px|thumb|none|A Marine reloads his M16A3 with a mounted Trijicon ACOG scope in multiplayer. Note that there are actually bullets in the magazine, a relatively rare sight in a modern shooter. But unfortunately, like in most modern shooters, the fire selector is always set to semi-auto.]]

== DIO KH2002 Sama ==

The Xbox 360 Operation Guillotine gameplay trailer shows a PLR militant using the [[DIO KH2002|DIO KH2002 Sama]] assault rifle. The weapon is a bullpup conversion of the DIO S-5.56 assault rifle, which is a direct copy of the [[M16 rifle series#Norinco Model 311|Norinco CQ]] assault rifle. The KH2002 was put into service in 2004 as a replacement for the Iranian Military's obsolete G3A3. The model featured in the game is the improved Sama model introduced in 2009, as noted by the diagonal cuts on the receiver as opposed to horizontal, side mounted rails and the combination of long carry handle and barrel mounted front sight. The improved foregrip of the Sama model only appears if the Foregrip attachment is used in multiplayer

In campaign mode, the weapon is often found in the hands of Iranian Army soldiers after the PLR's hostile takeover. It fires in single shot and 3-round burst firing modes, and uses Russian optics. It can be unlocked for multiplayer use with a 17,000 co-op score.

[[File:Kh2002 2009 improved.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Iranian Defense Industries Organization (DIO) KH2002, improved 2009 model - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-KH2002-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds a KH2002 during the mission "Uprising" as he discovers the exit.]]
[[File:BF3-KH2002-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his KH2002, showing that the Khaybar variant used in the game is the 2009 model.]]

== FAMAS Surbaissé ==

A [[FAMAS|FAMAS Surbaissé]] (FAMAS Low Profile) is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Assault kit. The weapon is shown with the large G1 / G2 trigger guard rather than the twin grips this version seems to use. In-game, the FAMAS has a 30+1 capacity, but is modeled with 25 round magazines. The capacity is going to be reduced to the correct 25+1 in a patch expected in March 2012.

[[Image:FAMASFELIN2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FAMAS Surbaissé - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-FAMAS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|FAMAS Surbaissé on the customisation screen.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 famas3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 famas3 reload.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== FN F2000 Tactical ==

The [[FN F2000]] returns from the Bad Company series, and has much more realistic statistics, most notably that it doesn't have a fire rate resembling a minigun. Due to its lack of an underslung rail, an M320 or M26 MASS will always be carried as a standalone if the F2000 is equipped. The F2000 can mount a bipod and foregrip like the other assault rifles.

[[Image:FN_F2000_tactical.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FN F2000 Tactical with folding vertical foregrip - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-F2000-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads an F2000 with EOTech reflex sight during the mission "Comrades."]]

== FN Mk 17 Mod 0 (SCAR-H CQC) ==

The First Generation FN Mk 17 Mod 0, or [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-H|SCAR-H CQC]], can be seen in the new Caspian Border gameplay trailer. In multiplayer, the SCAR-H is used by the 'Engineer' kit. A modelling mistakes shows the fire selector switch set on semi-auto as the weapon itself fires on full-auto by default.

[[Image:FN_SCAR_-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|First Gen Fabrique Nationale SCAR-H with M68 Aimpoint scope and Grippod foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-SCAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn reloads his SCAR-H at the start of "Operation Guillotine." Note that even though the weapon fires on full-auto, the fire selector switch is set on semi-auto.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 mk17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 mk17 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Heckler & Koch G36 ("MG36") ==

A hybrid of the [[Heckler & Koch G36]] and G36C, mislabelled as "MG36" (a weapon with a production run of around 100 units) is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Support kit. The weapon has the full-length forearm and barrel of the G36, but the carry handle and shorter stock of the G36C, as well as having a C-Mag fitted. The C-Mag only holds 50+1 instead of the correct 100+1 without the Extended Magazine attachment, but given that the attachment is unlocked by default it is clear that this is simply for balancing reasons, so the player can't use 100 round and another attachment, just like the Street Sweeper and Jackhammer.

[[Image:G36 CMag.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Configuration typically called "MG36;" actually just a standard G36 with a bipod handguard and C-Mag - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-MG36-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"MG36" on the customise menu. Note the 12x sniper scope attached, in case you feel the need to give suppressive fire from 1000+ meters.]]

== Heckler & Koch G36C ==

A [[Heckler & Koch G36#Heckler & Koch G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] is briefly seen being used by one of the players in PAX coverage from NVIDIA. It can fire, semi, auto, or two-round burst. In multiplayer, the G36C, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit.

[[Image:G36CwForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C with vertical foregrip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-G36-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a G36C he took from a French police officer during the mission "Comrades." Note that while the fire selector is in the correct position for fully automatic fire, the white position indicator is pointing to "safe."]]

== Heckler & Koch G3A3 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch G3#Heckler & Koch G3|G3A3]] is available in both single and multiplayer. It is an actual H&K G3A3, and not an Iranian clone. It has a wide handguard, and the fire selector markings are S-E-F. The Iranian-manufactured version differs in that it utilizes a slimline handguard and has Farsi writing on the receiver. It can be unlocked for use in multiplayer by gaining 160,000 Co-Op score.

[[File:G3a3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3A3 with wide handguard - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-G3-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn holds a G3A3 with ACOG scope during the mission "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[File:BF3-G3A3-Pickup.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The detailed pick-up icon for the G3A3.]]

== Heckler & Koch HK416 ==

The [[HK416]] returns from Bad Company and Bad Company 2 having a 10.4" barrel and OD furniture. It is the first unlock for the Assault kit and can have an M320 (which replaces the kit's Medkit) mounted as long as a grip or bipod are not. It once again appears as the "M416," seemingly just because that's what it was called in the ''Bad Company'' games since it is no longer shown as a standardised US military weapon in singleplayer. At release, it featured semi-auto, burst, and full-auto modes, something that isn't typically possible with AR-15 type rifles and derivatives. A patch later removed the burst mode, but it is still present on the Xbox 360 version.

[[Image:Heckler and Koch 416.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3-HK416-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn runs with his HK416 with M320 grenade launcher, straight into a most unpleasant surprise. The Russian transport craft depicted is an Antonov An-22. The pilot of the Antonov is a big fan of ''[[Top Gun]]'' and is getting as much low-altitude fly-by practice in as he can before the real war starts.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 hk416.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Heckler & Koch HK53 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch HK33|HK53]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack as the G53. It is a compact version of the HK33 rifle, and as a carbine, it can be used by the Engineer kit.

[[Image:H&KHK53-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch HK53 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:BF3-HK53-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|HK53 on the customisation screen.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 hk53.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 hk53 reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== L85A2 ==

The [[Enfield L85 rifle series|L85A2]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Assault kit.

[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|none|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-L85-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|L85A2 on the customisation screen.]]

== Magpul PDR ==

The [[Magpul PDR]] appears as an all kit weapon. For unknown reasons, it appears as the "PDW-R". Uses either 20 or 30 round polymer magazines, with 20 being the default option.

[[File:MagpulPDR.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Magpul PDR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-PDR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky reloads his PDR as he ponders the wisdom of Vladimir's "walking into a fire" plan.]]

== QBZ-95B ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBZ-95B]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and, as a carbine, can be used by the Engineer kit.

[[Image:Qbz-95carb s.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBZ-95B - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBZ95B-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBZ-95B on the customise menu.]]

== SIG SG 553 ==

The [[SIG SG 550|SG 553]] has been confirmed by DICE in the official Battlefield Blog. In multiplayer, being a carbine, is used by the 'Engineer' kit. It can only be unlocked in Co-Op by achieving a score of 120,000. In the campaign mode, the SG 553 is found in two places. The first is in "Comrades", where a police officer exiting the van has one, and the other one being found by the player after the train crashes in "The Great Destroyer".

[[File:SIG SG 553-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG SG 553 with railed handguard, vertical foregrip, flashlight, ACOG and 20-round factory magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-SG553-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds a SIG SG 553 during the mission "Comrades" as he fights his way through a French police cordon.]]

== Remington ACR ==

The [[Remington ACR|Remington ACR]] joins the arsenal of Battlefield 3 as part of the upcoming 'Close Quarters' map pack and was first seen in the "Ziba Tower" gameplay video. Inaccurately appears as the "ACW-R" (Likely meaning 'Adaptive Combat Weapon - Rifle'), much like the PDW-R, and sports the tri-rail foregrip standard on the entry variant.

[[File:Bushmasteracrentry.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington ACR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3 ACW-R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The "ACW-R" in the player's hands]]

[[File:BF3ACR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A Russian Engineer shows off his "ACW-R," note the full length barrel]]

== Steyr AUGA3 ==

The "Ziba Tower" gameplay trailer shows the AUG in the killfeed, and it can be seen in at least one screenshot.

[[File:1.Steyr AUG A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr AUGA3 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3wallpaper.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The soldier in the foreground can be seen holding an AUGA3 (Note the tri-railed handguard and the placement of the charging handle) fitted with an EOTech 552 and KAC foregrip]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== M16A1 ===

The Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the M320/GP-30 shows an [[M203]] mounted to an [[M16A1]], complete with the heatshield handguard.

=== M16A2 ===

The Dog Tag the player recieves for 500 kills with the M16A3/A4 shows an [[M16A2]] instead.

=== FAMAS ===

A [[FAMAS]] (G2?) appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the FAMAS.

=== FN F2000 ===

The standard version of the F2000, with its built in scope, appears on the 500 kill Dog Tag for the F2000 Tactical.

=== FN Mk 16 Mod 0 (SCAR-L)===

After getting 100 kills with a weapon, the player is awarded with a dogtag to display their accomplishment. There appears to have been an oversight in the making of the SCAR-H dogtag, as it shows a [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR]] with what is very clearly a 5.56 STANAG magazine.

[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|400px|none|Third Generation FN SCAR-L - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3_SCAR_L_dogtag.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

= Machine Guns =

== Heckler & Koch M27 IAR ==

The [[Heckler & Koch HK rifle series#Heckler & Koch M27 IAR|Heckler & Koch M27 IAR]] is the starting weapon for the US support class, and uses a 45-round extended magazine. It is shown with a 4-vent handguard, but the correct extended barrel for the version is shown, the handguard simply covering less of it.

[[Image:H&K M27 IAR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch M27 IAR - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-IAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M27 IAR equipped with a Trijicon RX01 reflex sight and tactical light in the mission "Kaffarov."]]

[[Image:Rrt877 iar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M240B ==

The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240B]] appears in the hands of some US Marines, and in the hands of the player character, fitted with an EOTech Holographic Weapon Sight (HWS). The trailer shows the weapon as having a deployable bipod which can be used to increase accuracy during prolonged firing, at the cost of player mobility.

[[Image:M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240B with newer style lower handguard (designed to attach RIS rails via hex nut) - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3-M240-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Blackburn's fellow Marines, Montes, holds his M240B fitted with an M145 Machine Gun Optic.]]
[[File:BF3 M240B.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an M240B with M145 Machine Gun Optic.]]

== M249E3 Para SAW / Mk 46 Mod 0 Hybrid ==

An [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249E3 Para SAW]] is featured in the game. It has a STANAG magazine well, identifying it as an M249 rather than a Mark 46, but the fixed buttstock and rail system are features of the Mk 46 Mod 0. This configuration is typical of Airsoft "Mk 46" guns which have Mk 46 features but retain their STANAG wells.

[[Image:M249ParaWAmmo.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|FN M249 Para - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Mk46.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mk 46 Mod 0 light machine gun - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M249-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds the hybrid SAW near the end of Operation Swordbreaker. Note the STANAG magazine well visible under the belt.]]
[[Image:BF3-SAW-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn sets up the bipod of his SAW.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 m249.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

== M60E4 ==

The [[M60E4]] is the last MG to be unlocked in the Support kit. Extended magazines gifts the weapon with a massive 200 round box and this is visually shown on the weapon when attached.

[[Image:M60E4-mk43.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M60E4 Mk.43 with Picatinny rails, RIS foregrip, and ammo belt - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M60-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M60E4 with M145 Machine Gun Optic as Kaffarov's bodyguards have the brilliant idea of firing an RPG-7 indoors.]]

== QBB-95 ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBB-95]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Support kit. Uses 75 round drums by default, and can also use 100 round drums.

[[Image:QBB95Scope.jpg|thumb|none|400px|QBB-95 with 75-round drum magazine and 4x scope - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBB95-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBB-95 on the customise menu.]]

== QJY-88 ==

The [[Norinco QJY-88]] returns from Bad Company 2, once again called the "Type 88". This is quite odd, as the QBZ-95B, QBB-95, and QBU-88 all use their proper "QB" names.

[[Image:Type88gpmg2.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Norinco QJY-88 - 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QJY88-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky discovers a QJY-88 with the rare and for some reason unpopular linoleum-plated finish.]]

== PKP Pecheneg ==

The [[PK_Machine_Gun#PKP_Pecheneg_Machine_Gun|PKP Pecheneg]] has been seen in gameplay trailers.

[[Image:Pecheneg.jpg|thumb|401px|none|PKP Pecheneg machine gun with ammo box - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BF3-PKP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a PKP Pecheneg as he infiltrates someone's garage in "Operation Guillotine."]]
[[Image:BF3-PKP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovski uses his PKP Pecheneg to make some amendments to the internal layout of a building. Mostly new doors.]]

== RPK ==

The [[RPK light machine gun]] is the starting weapon for the Russian Support class. It is referred to in game as an "[[RPK light machine gun#RPK-74|RPK-74M]]", a modernised 5.45x39mm version with synthetic furnishings and a flash hider, despite that it is not shown with a flash hider. The weapon's damage matches the idea that it is a -74 model, as it is scaled to the 5.56mm machine guns, as opposed to behaving like a 7.62x39. When mounting optics the weapon gains side-mounted bracket for attaching them; if it does not mount optics, the bracket is not present. It can sometimes be found fitted with a vertical front grip attached to the underside of the handguard.

[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn holds an RPK equipped with a Kobra reflex sight during "Uprising."]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks down at an RPK on the ground; note the lack of a rail under the handguard. Despite this, it can still mount a RIS foregrip.]]
[[Image:BF3-RPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading an RPK fitted with an odd aftermarket bipod; the real RPK bipod is fixed just behind the front sight and folds backwards. This bipod is actually shorter than the magazine and therefore would not be particularly useful.]]

== L86A1 ==

The Enfield L86A1 is an upcoming weapon, being added as a part of the "Close Quarters" map pack.

[[File:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Enfield L86A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[File:BF3 L86A1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player reloads his L86A1. Note that the image blur is from "suppression"]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== MG36 ===

Despite the fact that BF3's "MG36" is a hybrid of G36 variants, a configuration correct for an actual MG36 appears on the Dog Tag the player is awarded with for getting 500 kills with it.

= Sniper Rifles =

Unusually, Recon players can opt for low-magnification optics, unmagnified reflex/red-dot sights, or even iron-sights in lieu of the standard high-magnification optics.

== Barrett M98B ==

The [[Barrett M98B|M98B]] is the last bolt action unlocked. It is incredibly accurate and powerful, but is heavy and suffers from substantial sway unless a bipod is used.

[[Image:M98B.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M98B with Harris bipod - .338 Lapua Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-98B-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn uses an M98B with the bipod set up as he assaults the bank at the end of "Operation Guillotine."]]

== Barrett M107 ==

The [[Barrett M107]] is confirmed to be in the game, however, DICE felt that the .50 caliber round it uses would either be overpowered if depicted properly, or feel useless if kept balanced, so they opted to simply not have it in multiplayer. It only appears in the singleplayer level "Kaffarov", where player character Dmitri Mayakovsky acquires it due to a somewhat bizarre series of events that don't seem to play out quite the way they were intended to. Here, it is equipped with a thermal scope. When reloading the weapon from empty, the player character removes the magazine and replaces it with his left hand, but in order the charge the weapon he utilizes his right hand. This is the only weapon animation in the game where the character utilizes both hands to reload.

[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|In the room ''before'' Dmitri Mayakovsky is actually supposed to get the M107, he acquires the M107 by approaching the door.]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On opening the door he finds an enemy sniper kindly carrying the M107 he already has, with the barrel pretending to be a bipod and the magazine very badly wanting to be the pistol grip.]]
[[Image:BF3-SV98-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Thank you, I had no idea why I was carrying that."]]
[[Image:BF3-Barrett-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky thanks the man by murdering him with his own SV-98 and proceeds onward, armed with the M107.]]

== Accuracy International G22==

The [[Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_series#Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare_Magnum|Accuracy International G22]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack as the "L96", and can be used by the Recon kit. True to its reputation, the gun is extremely accurate at long ranges, with minimal bullet drop allowing for precise headshots.

[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Accuracy International G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]
[[Image:BF3-L96-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|G22 on the customise menu.]]

== M39 EMR ==

The [[M14#M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle|M39 EMR]] is the last rifle unlocked for the Recon class. It can be unlocked earlier should a player receive 58,000 Co-Op Score.

[[Image:M-39EMR.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M39 Enhanced Marksman Rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M39-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dmitri Mayakovsky holds an M39 EBR rather curiously equipped with a Russian PK-AS optic as he looks around Kaffarov's villa. He might be a bad guy, but he sure knows how to keep the place neat.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 ebr.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 ebr reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== M40A5 ==

The [[Remington Model 700#M40A5 Sniper Rifle|M40A5 sniper rifle]] is the second bolt-action rifle unlocked for the Recon class.

[[Image:M40A5.jpg|thumb|none|401px|M40A5 sniper rifle with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M40-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a suppressed M40A5 fitted with an IR scope during the mission "Night Shift."]]

== Mk 11 Mod 0 ==

The [[Knight's_Armament_SR-25|Mk 11 Mod 0]] can be found occasionally in the single-player campaign. It is the default rifle for the US Recon kit in multiplayer, outfitted by standard with a 8x rifle scope.

[[Image:SR25.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Knight's Armament SR-25 (known as Mk 11 Mod 0 in USMC and US Navy service) with suppressor and Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-Mod11-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|Blackburn holds a scoped Mk 11 Mod 0 during Operation Swordbreaker.]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Marine sniper in multiplayer provides some overwatch with his scoped Mk 11 Mod 0.]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|After some successful hunting, he reloads his rifle...]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk 11-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...And hits the bolt-release. Note that the fire-selector is set to safe.]]

== Norinco NDM-86 ==

The .308 variant of the [[SVD_Dragunov#Norinco_NDM-86|Norinco NDM-86]] returns from ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]'', once again appearing as the ''[[SVD]]'' It is default for the Russian Recon Kit sporting a PKS-07 7x Scope by default, though the correct PSO-1 4x scope is the first attachment unlocked at only 10 kills.

[[Image:Ndm86.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco NDM-86 - .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3 NorincoNDM Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an NDM-86 fitted with a PKS-07 scope.]]

== QBU-88 ==

The [[Norinco QB rifle series|QBU-88]] is included in the Back To Karkand expansion pack, and can be used by the Recon kit.

[[Image:Qbu-88-0.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco QBU-88 5.8x42mm]]
[[Image:BF3-QBU88-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|QBU-88 on the customise menu.]]

== SKS ==

The [[SKS rifle|SKS]] is seen mentioned in pre-order information. In-game, it has synthetic Tapco furniture and uses 20 round magazines.

[[Image:Sks_tapco_stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SKS with Tapco furniture installed as it appears ingame - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BF3-SKS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SKS on the customise menu.]]
[[Image:BF3 SKS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character in multiplayer holds an SKS as he ponders if there might be a tank nearby.]]

== SV-98 ==

The [[SV-98]] returns as the first unlockable bolt action rifle.

[[Image:SV98.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SV-98 with suppressor, bipod, carrying handle, and mirage band - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BF3-SV98-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During an extremely confusing QTE, an enemy sniper holds an SV-98.]]
[[Image:BF3 SV98.jpg|thumb|none|600px|SV-98 fitted with the unnamed 12x scope, without a bipod.]]

= Launchers =

== FGM-148 Javelin ==

The [[FGM-148 Javelin|Javelin]] appears and can be used in either top-down or direct-fire modes, and obviously needs a lock to fire. In the campaign, Blackburn uses one during "Operation Guillotine;" here it has infinite ammunition. During the latter sequence, the Javelin is shown firing at absurdly short range; in real life it has a minimum range of around 250 feet.

[[Image:Javalin.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FGM-148 Javelin - 127mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Javelin-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harassed by tanks during "Operation Guillotine," Blackburn comes across his salvation in the form of an FGM-148 Javelin launcher.]]
[[Image:BF3-Javelin-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds the Javelin. Note the help text misidentifies it as a SMAW.]]

== FIM-92A Stinger ==

The [[FIM-92A Stinger]] appears as the American Engineer's anti-air launcher.

[[Image:-0976t.jpg|thumb|none|400px|FIM-92A Stinger - 70mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Stinger-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Finding himself under attack from an Su-25 "Frogfoot" ground-attack plane, Blackburn searches the wreckage of an M1161 "Growler" ITV. Thankfully, the Stinger is apparently made of stronger stuff than the light vehicle which exploded with it inside. The weapon resting on its unfolded tracking antenna cannot be good for the launcher.]]

== GP-30 ==

Interestingly, if the M320 is mounted to a Russian weapon, it instead becomes a [[GP-30]], though the name is not mentioned. It is still identified as an M320 in the kill feed. It is also correctly depicted firing VOG-25 caseless rounds, as the launcher is not flicked downwards to eject the spent casing as is common in first person shooters.

[[Image:Gp-30 ak-74.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GP-30 40mm grenade launcher mounted on an [[AK-74]] (5.45x39mm)]]

==Heckler & Koch M320 ==

The [[Heckler & Koch M320]] is the standard grenade launcher and can fire standard HE rounds, buckshot, or smoke rounds. It can either be mounted on the rifle, or standalone.

[[Image:XM320 stock extended.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch M320 with optional telescoping stock - 40x46mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn holds a standalone M320 at the start of "Operation Guillotine." This appears to be randomly dropped by US infantry in this area.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|As usual for an FPS protagonist, Blackburn is of the "pick a random notch and use it like a regular iron sight" school of leaf sight use.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Reloading the standalone M320; note the front grip visible and the fire selector always set to safe.]]
[[Image:BF3-M320-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn reloads the M320 mounted under his HK416. Note that here he is removing the "spent" round; there appears to only be one grenade round model, so the fired round is shown unfired.]]

== M136 AT4 ==

The [[M136 AT4]] appears in the hands of US Marines and is equipped with a vertical foregrip. The AT4 will only appear in the Singleplayer campaign. It is incorrectly referred to as an "RPG".

[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|M136 AT4 - 84mm]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-3.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn readies an AT4 as the squad try to take out a sniper hidden in a hotel.]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The results are fairly predictable.]]
[[Image:BF3-AT4-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Throughout the campaign, Matkovic carries an AT4 on his back.]]

==M224 Mortar==

At the start of "Operation Guillotine," Blackburn is tasked with briefly carrying an [[M224 Mortar]] as he advances with his fellow Marines; here it cannot be used by the player, and is used by NPCs to fire illumination rounds during the night-time mission. In multiplayer it can be used by the Support class; the M224 in multiplayer has infinite ammunition and can fire smoke or HE rounds. In singleplayer, it is shown with no baseplate fitted, which would make it practically impossible to actually use.

[[Image:M224-60mm-mortar.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M224 Mortar - 60mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M224-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks at the set-up M224, wondering when he can have a go.]]

== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ==

The [[Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW]] appears as the American Engineer's unguided rocket launcher.

[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW - 83mm]]
[[Image:BF3 SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player wields the MK 153 SMAW as he prepares to dish out some disproportionate retribution on some tumbleweeds for giving him allergies.]]

== RPG-7V2 ==

The [[RPG-7#RPG-7|RPG-7]] is featured as the Russian Engineer's unguided rocket launcher.

[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:BF3-RPG7-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Practically invisible in his well-planned cover position, an Iranian soldier with an RPG-7 plots his next move.]]

[[Image:Rrt877 rpg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Rrt877 rpg reloading.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== SA-18 Grouse ==

The [[SA-18 Grouse]] (Russian: 9K38 Igla) appears as the Russian Engineer's anti-air launcher. As in the previous ''Battlefield'' games it is named "SA-18 Igla", using the US designation for the weapon, but the Russian nickname.

[[Image:Igla 191.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SA-18 Grouse launcher and missile - 72mm]]
[[Image:BF3BL9K38.jpg|thumb|none|350px|The SA-18's in-game render, oddly enough, is an [[SA-7 Grail]].]]
[[Image:BF3 SA18 Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character holds an SA-18 in multiplayer as he wonders whether a checkpoint office counts as a vehicle.]]

== Dog Tag Weapons ==

=== GL1 ===
The F2000's GL1 appears on the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the F2000, mounted to the rifle.

=== M203 ===
The [[M203]] appears on three Dog Tags. The first is the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the M320/GP-30 where it appears not mounted to anything, the second is the Dog Tag awarded for 500 kills with the M320/GP-30, where it appears mounted to an M16A1, and the third is the Dog Tag awarded for 100 kills with the HK416, mounted to the rifle, just like it was in the ''Bad Company'' series.

= Explosives =

== M15 Anti-Tank mine ==

The [[M15 anti-tank mine|M15 Anti-Tank mine]] can be used by the Engineer kit. In Multiplayer mines that are placed can only be destroyed with explosives, shooting them has no effect. The mine is pressure activated, meaning only something heavy like a vehicle will set it off, infantry running across will not detonate it. Shooting the mine also has no effect.

[[Image:Landmine-dod-closeup.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M15 Anti-Tank mine]]
[[Image:BF3 ATMine Multi.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The player character holds an M15 anti-tank mine.]]

== M18A1 Claymore ==

[[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personnel mines can also be used by the Support kit.

[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel mine]]

== M67 Hand Grenade ==

The [[M67 hand grenade]] is the primary grenade seen in ''Battlefield 3'', used by all factions. Instead of a grenade indicator, the body of the grenade flashes to make it more easily visible. Three grenades are carried in singleplayer. In multiplayer, every kit gets one as standard, but can equip two by using the "FRAG" specialization. There are two ways to throw grenades; either using a hotkey or by selecting the grenade as a weapon. The hotkey tosses the grenade instantly then switches back to the previously equipped weapon. Selecting the grenade manually allows multiple grenades to be thrown one after the other, and also allows the pin to be pulled and the grenade prepared for tossing - though as the spoon is held down, this does not actually "cook" the grenade's fuse.

[[Image:Baseball.jpg|thumb|none|250px|M67 hand grenade]]
[[Image:BF3-M67-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn readies an M67 grenade.]]

==M84 stun grenade==

Blackburn uses an [[M84 stun grenade]] to disorient a group of PLR fighters at the bottom of an elevator shaft.

[[Image:M84stun.jpg|thumb|none|M84 stun grenade]]
[[Image:BF3-Flashbang-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn, after managing not to fall to his death while rappelling down an elevator, readies an M84 "flashbang" grenade.]]
[[Image:BF3-Flashbang-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn throws the grenade. This frame and the next both show that, in common with many modern shooters, the thrown model is the same as the "in world" model for this grenade and so the safety lever is still attached.]]

= Mounted Weapons =

== AT-14 Spriggan ==

The [[AT-14 Spriggan]] appears in the game as the Russian counter to the American BGM-71 TOW mentioned below, and is also a secondary weapon on the BMP-2M APC.

[[Image:AT14-Spriggan.JPG|thumb|none|400px|AT-14 Spriggan launcher and missile - 152mm]]

== BGM-71 TOW ==

The [[BGM-71 TOW]] appears in the game as an emplaced anti-tank missile launcher for the US faction.

[[Image:Tow 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|BGM-71 TOW on M220 tripod - 152mm]]

== Browning M2HB ==

The [[Browning M2#Browning M2 Heavy Barrel|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]] appears in the game mounted on vehicles, including M1A2 Abrams tanks. In terms of gameplay, the M2HB behaves more like a medium machine gun, requiring three or four shots to kill infantry, and dozens to disable a vehicle. In multiplayer, M1 tanks can be fitted with an M2HB mounted above the main cannon. When mounted like this, the M2's rate of fire slows to about 400rpm but gains a damage bonus that puts its power more in line with its real life counterpart. These changes were likely made to keep heavy machine guns from being overly powerful compared to other weapons.

[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun in vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|At the end of "Uprising," Blackburn takes control of an M2HB mounted on a Humvee as he defends a landing zone until a V-22 Osprey can extract the scattered Marines.]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Near the end of "Thunder Run," Sergeant Jonathan Miller mans his tank's .50 cal. It seems in the game's fiction the US Marine Corps has upgraded their Abrams tanks, since Anvil 3 is an M1A2, currently used only by the US Army. Note the TUSK gunshields for the missing loader's M240 are instead fitted to the M2.]]
[[Image:BF3-M2-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A M2HB mounted on M1161 "Growler" ITV.]]

== DShK heavy machine gun (mounting) ==

Mountings for the [[DShK heavy machine gun]] can be seen on Iranian Type-72Z main battle tanks, modernised versions of the Russian T-55. These tanks seem to have been modelled from museum display vehicles, since the gun itself is missing from the mounting.

[[Image:DShKM-vehicle-mount.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DShKM heavy machine gun in standard vehicle mounting on a Romanian TR-85 main battle tank - 12.7x108mm]]
[[Image:BF3-DShK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|An Iranian Type-72Z shows off the DShK it conspicuously does not have. Note the border at the edge of the screenshot is authentic, intended to display the edge of the Abrams' display screen as the vehicle moves around.]]

== GAU-8/A Avenger ==

The [[General Electric GAU-8/A Avenger]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack jet.

[[Image:GAU-8A.jpg|thumb|400px|none|GAU-8/A Avenger complete with feed system and 1,174 round drum - 30x173mm]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Jennifer Hawkins looks out at an A-10 Thunderbolt II armed with a GAU-8 during the mission "Going Hunting."]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Later in the mission Hawkins gets to call in gun runs from the A-10, here shown on thermal.]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==

The [[GE M134 Minigun]] is seen mounted on AH-6 Little Birds in both single and multiplayer.

[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|400px|General Electric M134 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M134-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An AH-6 "Little Bird" opens fire with its M134 minigun. Note that tracers are treated as solid by the engine, meaning the underside of what should be a bright light source is shown in shadow here. This is only really visible in stills.]]

== General Dynamics GAU-17/A ==

Two [[M134_Minigun#General_Dynamics_GAU-17.2FA|GAU-17/A miniguns]] are mounted on the sides of UH-1Y helicopters. More strangely, two are mounted on the windows of Kaffarov's Ka-60 Kasatka helicopter in the singleplayer campaign.

[[Image:GAU-17A HH60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-17/A, US Air Force version of the M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-17/A can be seen mounted on Kaffarov's private helicopter as Dmitri Mayakovsky dangles from it. Note it has no ammo feed.]]

== Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 ==

The [[Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30#GSh-30-1|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the Su-35BM Flanker-E fighter jet.

[[Image:GSH30 1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-1 with ammo belt 30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|During the mission "Going Hunting," Hawkins faces several Su-35BM Flanker-E aircraft, incorrectly referred to throughout as "MiGs." This error is only present in the text in this mission; they are correctly named elsewhere in the game.]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Chased by ''Shark 4-6'', one Su-35BM decides to show off with Pugachev's Cobra manoeuvre...]]
[[Image:BF3-MiG-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...giving Hawkins a nice look at its missile armament.]]

==Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2==

The [[Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the Su-25TM (Su-39) Frogfoot ground attack jet.

[[Image:GSh-30-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-30-2 30mm automatic cannon - 30x165mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Frogfoot-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Su-39 Frogfoot ground attack aircraft flies over as Blackburn finds himself between Iraq and a hard place.]]
[[Image:BF3-Frogfoot-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|It soon returns for a series of gun runs as Blackburn has to move from cover to cover to find a Stinger. The Frogfoot here is basically firing a death ray with a deadzone around pieces of cover; moving out of cover is instant death during the time that counts as its attack even if it has already flown overhead and stopped firing.]]

== Kord ==

The [[Kord heavy machine gun]] is mounted on the T-90A tank, Russian army buggies and Vodniks, and a number of technicals. It behaves very similarly to the [[Browning M2#Browning M2 Heavy Barrel|Browning M2HB heavy machine gun]]: more in line with a medium machine gun, and can be mounted on a T-90 with a lowered rate of fire but higher shot-for-shot damage.

[[Image:Kord 02.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Kord heavy machine gun with ammo box - 12.7x108mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks over a Kord machine gun mounted on a technical.]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-1.jpg|thumb|none|602px|He soon discovers the hard way that manning a Kord during an earthquake is a bad idea.]]
[[Image:BF3-Kord-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|A T-90 MBT opens fire with its main gun, the massive muzzle flash illuminating the Commander's Kord heavy machine gun.]]

== M61 Vulcan ==

The [[M61 Vulcan#M61 Vulcan|M61 Vulcan]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the F/A-18E and F/A-18F Super Hornet fighter jets. M61s are also seen in Phalanx installations on American warships, and in multiplayer the US base is protected by a land-based Phalanx C-RAM installation.

[[Image:M61vulcan.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M61 Vulcan - 20mm]]
[[Image:Phalanx.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Phalanx CIWS - 20mm]]
[[Image:C-RAM_3.JPG|thumb|none|401px|Land-based Phalanx C-RAM mounting on a mobile trailer - 20mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M61-2.jpg|thumb|none|601px|In the mission "Gone Hunting" the player character is Lieutenant Jennifer Hawkins, WSO of an F/A-18F "Super Hornet" callsign ''Shark 4-6'' assigned to CVN-77 USS ''George H.W. Bush''.]]
[[Image:BF3-Phalanx-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawkins climbs up to the deck of the USS ''George H.W. Bush'', spotting the USS ''Ford'' (FFG-54), an ''Oliver Hazard Perry''-class frigate in the distance. This incorrectly mounts bow and stern Phalanx installations; while a future block upgrade is planned to add a forward gun over the removed SM-1 missile launcher of nine of the ''Perry''-class, this will be a Mk 38 Mod 2 (a remote-controlled navalised [[M242 Bushmaster chaingun]]), not a second Phalanx.]]
[[Image:BF3-M61-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|The two Hornets ''Shark 4-2'' and ''Shark 4-6'' overfly the US fleet, giving plenty of glimpses of Phalanx installations on the various ships.]]
[[Image:BF3-C-RAM.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up look at a land-based Phalanx C-RAM in multiplayer.]]

== M197 Vulcan ==

The [[M61 Vulcan#General Dynamics M197 Vulcan|M197 Vulcan]] appears in the game as the secondary armament of the AH-1Z Viper attack helicopter.

[[Image:M197Gatling.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M197 Vulcan - 20mm]]
[[Image:BF3-M197-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Miller looks up at a friendly AH-1Z Viper during the mission "Thunder Run."]]
[[Image:BF3-M197 Vulcan-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A closer look at an AH-1Z Viper's M197 Vulcan cannon.]]

== GAU-12/U ==

The [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U#GAU-12/U|GAU-12/U]] is the main gun on the LAV-AD in multiplayer. It should be noted that the LAV-AD itself is technically anachronistic as it has been removed from service.

[[Image:GAU-12U.jpg|thumb|none|400px|General Dynamics GAU-12/U with unfired rounds - 25mm]]
[[Image:BF3-GAU-12U.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A GAU-12/U mounted on an LAV-AD.]]

== GAU-22/A ==

The [[General Dynamics GAU-12/U#GAU-22/A|GAU-22/A]] appears in the game as the secondary weapon of F-35B Lightning II aircraft on some multiplayer maps, such as the revamped version of Gulf of Oman.

[[Image:F-35 GAU-22A.jpg|thumb|none|400px|GAU-22/A - 25mm]]

== M240C ==

The [[FN MAG#M240 Machine Gun|M240C machine gun]] is coaxially mounted on the M1A2 Abrams MBT.

[[Image:M240C.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M240C machine gun - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BF3-M240C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller runs back towards the tank column after retrieving the "clicker" trigger for an M58 Mine Clearing Line Charge.]]

== M242 Bushmaster ==

The [[M242 Bushmaster chaingun]] is the main gun of the LAV-25.

[[Image:M242 25mm gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M242 Bushmaster chaingun - 25mm]]
[[Image:BF3-LAV-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn and his fellow Marines get out of their own LAV-25 and look over someone else's at the start of "Operation Swordbreaker."]]
[[Image:BF3-LAV-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blackburn looks over another LAV-25 during the mission "Rock and a Hard Place."]]

== Mk 19 ==

The [[Mk 19 grenade launcher]] is seen mounted on M1114 Humvees and AAVP7A1 amphibious transports.

[[Image:US_Mk._19_40mm_grenade_machine-gun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mk 19 grenade launcher on vehicle mount - 40mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Mk19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller looks over an AAVP7A1, mounting an M2HB and a Mark 19 grenade launcher in the commander's mini-turret.]]

== PKT ==

The [[PK Machine Gun#Kalashnikov PK/PKM Machine Gun|PKT machine gun]] is coaxially mounted on the T-90A and T-72 MBTs.

[[Image:Machine gun PKT.jpg|thumb|none|400px|PKT machine gun with 250-round ammo drum - 7.62x54mm R]]
[[Image:BF3-T72-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Miller gets a little ''too'' close to an Iranian T-72. The coaxial gun on the T-72 is mounted to the right of the main gun; the view is blocked from most angles (including this one) by the searchlight mounted next to it.]]

== Shipunov 2A42 ==

The [[Shipunov 2A42]] appears in the game as the main gun of the BMP-2M and BTR-90 APCs, and the secondary armament of the Mi-28 Havoc helicopter.

[[Image:Shipunov 2A42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Shipunov 2A42 - 30mm]]
[[Image:BF3-Shipunov-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|Blackburn advances on a BMP-2M during "Rock and a Hard Place," the IFV seemingly oblivious to his dastardly rocket-launching ambitions.]]

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Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-04-08T16:40:58Z

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See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

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== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

More funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsbTjPe2fs&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::An LRSR mission with the Barrett like the one in CoD4 would have been awesome to have in BF3. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:Holy crap, I thought that was a real Marine in that pic at first! :O [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

::Yeah, most definitely. We welcome clarification on any component or add-on used in the game. IMFDB's priorities are much different than those of game-based wikis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:31, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Do you guys think we should have a section for the attachments in the game, since there are so many? For most games it wouldn't be necessary, but here there are 12 different optics, the aftermarket irons, KAC foregrip, Harris bipod, six (I think) suppressors, PEQ-2, pistol laser sight, and a tac light. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:Yes, please include the info on which flash suppressors and other accessories are being used on which guns in the screenshots (as well as an addendum at the end of the page outlining just which real-life firearm accessories are in the game). There are many of us not in the know who would like to learn about them. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:32, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: SCAR-L (misspelled as SCARL-L; I tweeted Demize)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: ACR (as ACW-R, like PDW-R)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: "M5K" (don't know what it is, described as M5K tactical machine pistol)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

LIST EDITED

::I'm excited to see the AUG and the MTAR, but the ACR and SCAR-L... while I have nothing against them (in fact, I really like them) aren't they a bit... implausible? As for the LSAT... HELL. NO. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 19:15, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Not sure if this is on the up and up, but people are talking about the Recon weapons being the HK417 and the CZ-750 (these are were supposedly found buried in some code in a leaked beta build), and with both of these weapons having an effective range of about a thousand meters, this seems plausible. However others are claiming there will be no Recon weapons in this expansion, which seems like it would a stupid move on DICE's part. In addition people are saying the ACR will be a carbine with a 25+1 capacity, and that the SCAR-L will be the assault rifle weapon (seems odd to have a the 7.62 variant as a carbine and the 5.56 variant as an assault rifle, but oh well). Others say the second All Kit weapon will be something called an M5K? I'm not sure what that is. Again none of this was shown in the trailer, however some people claim to have seen the CZ-750 in the trailer, but it's such a poor view that it could just as well be the SV-98. Also, BF3 fans work fast, someone made these mock ups of the stats screens for the guns: http://imgur.com/a/iOlAQ [[User:Spry|Spry]] 03:08, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::After thinking about it a bit, I'm starting to think the M5K is meant to be the MP5K, when you consider that they've renamed a couple of H&K weapons like the HK53 and the HK416, it's plausible that they had some licensing issues with H&K like they seem to have had with Magpul and Glock (No surprise there, considering how notoriously protective Glock is of their brand), So they probably just renamed it the M5K. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 10:29, 14 March 2012 (CET)
:::::Either that, or they misspelled it, like they did the SCAR-L. And if the MP5 doesn't have H&K's name in its name, they probably wouldn't have to rename it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:18, 14 March 2012 (PST)
::::::You also have to take into account that some of the weapons used by said classes in the trailer could just be kits they picked up in the middle of the battle, perhaps to throw off the assertion of which one belongs to who. I'm just glad the L86A1 is in there, finally another British weapon added, just add a Browning Hi-Power or a SIG P226 and I'm set! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:38, 14 March 2012 (CDT)Draco122

An M203A2 would be a nice addition, since the Marines don't use the M320. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:12, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I thought this belonged here, since we're on the subject of expansions, here's a HUGE list of updates in this upcoming patch.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 01:56, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

"Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)" TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:59, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

== L96 Irons?! ==

What in the holy hell is that garbage?! finally a rifle with good iron sights and the stick a SECOND front sight on the end of the receiver rail... for a whopping 7" sight radius... dear god what a disappointment. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]]
:As a side note, that isn't an L96 front sight, looks more like the one that is on the G22 (German variant of the AWM). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:39, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
::Hahaha, that was my reaction too. The sights will be fixed in that big patch that should be out this month. It was on that huge notes list. EDIT: I think the BF3 rifle IS the G22; folding stock & front sight. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg here][[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:55, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
:[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]

: question on the L96, what is it chambered in? It should be .300 Winchester Magnum (I think?) but the ingame description says 7.62mmx51mm NATO... [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 00:03, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
::The standard Arctic Warfare is chambered in either .243 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. However, the in game gun is modelled on a magnum rifle (can tell by the size of the magazine) which is chambered in .300 Winchester of .338 Lapua. The caliber is correct for the name of the gun, but wrong for the model it actually is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:00, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
:Keep in mind most of the calibres are wrong for the Back To Karkand guns, like the QBs being 5.45mm [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:40, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

== Shortcuts ==

I was on the 360 Marketplace this week, looking for new Add-ons for any of my games when I came across several for Battlefield 3. They are class specific and cost 560 Microsoft points apiece or you can get the ultimate bundle which includes Air, Ground and Co-Op 'shortcuts' for a whopping 3200 points. What a shortcut entails is basically a free pass to getting ALL of the specific kits weapons, attachments and gadgets thereby bypassing the experience system if someone has the credits.

In short, this is a noob's wetdream. Personally, I think they should rename the Ultimate Shortcut Bundle to the Ultimate Lazy Bastards Bundle. Thankfully all of the shortcuts have been getting pretty low reviews. Thoughts? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 16:28, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:Wait, it includes weapon attachments? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:24, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Every other game is dumbed down for casual gamers to blow through in an hour. Why is this any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:51, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Shortcuts are gay. 'nuff said. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 17:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm not too happy about shortcuts either, but did you really have to use gay as a way to insult it? [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42
:Sorry, I forgot gay means "happy" --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:27, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== SPAS-12 = Pump-Action? ==

I was watching the part of the Close-Quarters Expansion Pack trailer where it showed the SPAS-12, and it looked like it was operating in pump-action mode. Is anyone else disappointed by this? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

I'm actually quite glad, I was quite disappointed with the lack of pump-action shotguns in game. I guess they could say it's an SAS-12 so it's a pump-action only variant in real life. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42

I don't really care, I want more pump actions, but another tube fed semi action shotty too. --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:40, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

Talk:Battlefield 3

2012-04-08T16:27:21Z

CommanderLukas: /* Shortcuts */

See [[Talk:Battlefield 3/Archive 1]] for older discussions.

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== Why am I not surprised? ==

Part of me isn't too surprised that the CODMW3 article would be taken off the Work in Progress Status in a much shorter time than BF3's page. Personally I think MW3 committed a war crime with how atrocious the M16A4 looks both in the first person and 3rd person models of it. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:00, 16 November 2011

:Just the M16? :/ Hell, the P99 is the only pistol where they didn't get something wrong. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:14, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:It has more to do with the fact that MW3 makes more mistakes and therefore is far more fun to write about. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:18, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::My personal favourite screw up in MW3 has to be the Skorpion's scope rail mount, with the "MG36" as a close runner up. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:02, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::I still mad about the fact they suddenly decided that it'll better that the M4A1 will have a 20-round magazine rather than a 30-round magazine -_- --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 03:05, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:::Lol good points all around. I'm not too knowledgeable on everything but I'm in the service and I use the M16A4 often. So it stuck out like a sore thumb the moment I picked up the rifle in the game that something was really freaking off about it. Like it wasn't already bad having 30 rounds come out of a 20 round mag. But bolt on rails to A2 Handguards? Really?! XDDD I don't know how accurate that P99 is, but it irks the hell out of me seeing it held one handed in the First Person Model. [[User:DarkSamuraiX1999|DarkSamuraiX1999]] 00:25 16 November 2011

Ya know? It's funny that the "fact" they are using military advisers to make the game better in "tactics" and stuff (yeah, right), this military advisers or what ever, aren't aware of the way the developers model the weapons and doesn't 100% reassemble to the real life one's :/ I guess the developers tell them "We don't really give a damn about realism, just tell us how the hell modern warfare works"... Still, the guys of BF3 made a bit better, though it does have also many things unrealistic, like the fact Marines are using M16A3's instead of M16A4's, and some of them running with an M240 like it a was wooden gun. Sigh. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 02:57, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:The thing about an advisor is that his job is to answer questions. It's up to the developers if they a) ask him the right questions and b) pay attention to his answers. I believe ''Star Trek's'' science advisors have publically complained that they're only asked for advice on what terminology to use and never on whether something is actually good science. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:15, 16 November 2011 (CST)

One thing SP Campaign of BF3 proves is that BF3 shouldn't have SP Campaign in the first place. One would expect it to be more authentic, yet it takes approach of CoD: "We just put randomly weapons we have in MP whether or not they fit in". So suddenly we have Marines with M16A3s and M240Bs (instead of M16A4s and M240Gs), insurgents (exactly insurgents and not organized militia from pre-alpha trailers) with AK-74Ms and AEK-971s (instead of AK-47s / AKMs), Spetsnaz member Vladimir with 5.56 A-91 (despite Russian forces simply not using this caliber even for SF), etc. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:27, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:Let's not forget that the protagonist of the game, Blackburn, during the interrogations scenes, you can see his name and branch tags that they're in white and straight rather than MARPAT and in an angle with the chest pockets. Also, one of the the guys in Blackburn's team, though I can't remember his exact name (the guy who carries M136 all the time), wears MultiCam OCP, still, rather than MARPAT uniform. Eventually, war games wouldn't be realistic as real life, even in the small parts. --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 11:22, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Except my games (If I ever make games). :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:34, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Plus, they (Marines) get CAS from Little Birds. Apparently, to the game devs the terms 'US Army' and 'USMC' are interchangeable. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:50, 16 November 2011 (CST)

:I don't recall the insurgents using AEK-971s in the Iran missions, usually it was a random stew of your typical AKS-74u, AK-74M (don't real militants from the former Soviet bloc use the more modern 5.45 AK-74 at times?), RPKs, and the KH2002. However, the terrorists with Solomon from later on in the story do use all this, and even more somewhat outlandish equipment. Also, since the page is incomplete, can you explain to me how you identify the Marine's M16 models as the A3 versions? During the campaign I recall Blackburn's M16 as being able to fire in fully automatic. (Except that one mission where you inexplicably jump off with an HK416) Also, didn't Vladimir use the AS VAL throughout the Spetsnaz missions? And although it's not top-notch realistic Ala ''The Hurt Locker'', I wouldn't exactly outright call it the CoD approach. I mean, just look at what they did with Black Ops. Pointing out every inaccuracy in that game is to the point of turning it into a drinking game. Long Fallen 17:49, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Other than that one HK416 Blackburn had, which was odd, if they worst things the Marines had were M16A3s instead of A4s and M240Bs instead of M240Gs, then I'm happy enough. And the PLR only had 74Ms, 74Us, and RPKs if I remember correctly, the later enemies had AEKs. All the weird guns were given to Kaffarov's private army, as he is an arms dealer. It's like complaining you see a few M1928s instead of M1A1s in a WWII movie. Black Ops.. is Black Ops, and MW3 had FADs in the hands of African militia... [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:20, 16 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe it is related to the "AKS-74U vs. UMP issue": in some of the videos of "Operation Swordbreaker", inside of the building, leading to anti-sniper position, one of the insurgents is certainly equipped with AEK-971, with others having AKS-74U and AK-74M (AK-74 would be correct for former Soviet bloc militant but not AK-74M unless he managed to scavenge it from Russian soldier). For M16A3, check one of the Marines on the way to bridge in the same mission. And while Kiril used the AS "Val", Vladimir used the 5.56 A-91. And yes, as Alex said, Black Ops... is Black Ops *sadface* --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:17, 17 November 2011 (CST)

:::You are right, that one insurgent always has an AEK, but that's an exception. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:31, 17 November 2011 (CST)

Cod always screws up the guns
:What does that have to do with Battlefield 3? [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:12, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Sidearms ==

Has anyone else noticed Campo carries ''two'' sidearms, one on his chest and one by his hip? Looks like two Glocks.

[[Image:BF3-Glock-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ten more and he'll be a Glockenspiel.]]

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:18, 18 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm sorry, but that caption was just too good. On topic however, it seems as if the handgun holstered on his chest seems pretty low res to be made out. Could it be a designer oversight or something? - Long Fallen 17:21, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Maybe they are copying Epps from [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]], he nonsensically carries a pair of Glocks in the same way as well... --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (CST)

::Well, that's the Assault kit's chest, with the Glock and all, so they most likely gave him a leg holster and forgot about that one. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:01, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::It's like in MW2 where the snipers carry unusable M1911. Although it is peculiar that the Marine in this game carries unusable Glock and not M9 or MEU(SOC). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:17, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== BTK Weapons ==

Finally! http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

:MG36 and Jackhammer? Guess the XM8 and plasma rifle will be in the next DLC. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:30, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:I guess that confirms that there will be no PLA Faction DLC *sadface* I still hope for EU Faction :|
:Also confirmed that HK53 is back intact :)
:--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Why do they choose to include the "HK" prefix in the HK53, but not on the M416? [[User:Santos|Santos]] 11:26, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:::I'll ask Demize why this HK is okay (and the HK21 in BF2). Actually, they hinted they might do more weapon DLCs later, so I'm expecting a "Back To Bad Company" pack with all three XM8s and other stuff. Also, not a plasma rifle, but I've always thought it'd be cool to see Halo guns in another game, the human ones. For those of you that don't know, they all make functional sense. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:48, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::::lol yeah all those functional Spartan Lasers we have lying around. Though it would be cool to see an NTW-20 in a videogame. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:45, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle Have] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle1 you] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle2 said] [http://www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/ntw-20-anti-material-rifle3 NTW-20]? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:34, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== RPK ==

Incidentally, I need to check if the RPK-74 has a flash hider. If not, with wood furniture and a ribbed metal magazine, it's actually an RPK with a sight rail, not a -74 at all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Maybe I didn't spend enough time using it, but I remember it having black furniture. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 12:44, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Checking my PS3 video captures it's very dark brown; more to the point, though, it's got that standard AK-style handguard with two holes through the middle (with a RIS foregrip sticking out the bottom, admittedly); the -M polymer handguard is a different shape and has ridges all along the top of the gas tube.

::[[Image:Soviet RPK-74.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK-74 light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[Image:rpk74m.jpg|thumb|none|601px|RPK-74M light machine gun with 45-round box magazine - 5.45x39mm]]
::[[File:BF3-RPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|601px|]]

::If it doesn't have a flash hider, I think that makes it an RPK. I thought I could see one there, but in my PS3 video it looks like it doesn't have one and the in-world and pickup models don't have one either. I was going to say "except the scope mount" but MPM's RPK image has one:

::[[Image:RPK lmg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|RPK Light Machine Gun with 40 round magazine - 7.62x39mm]]

::Is this normal? From what I'd read the scope bracket was an -M thing. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:35, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::Thanks for clearing up the RPK differences, as for the scope rail, scopes are nice to have sometimes, I'm sure some of the older RPKs were fitted with scope mounts as aftermarket parts in real life. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:06, 20 November 2011 (CST)
::::As the RPK in the game only has the bracket fitted when a sight is there, I would certainly put it in the "aftermarket" category. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:37, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Oh right, just like the AKS-74U becomes an AKS-74UN when mounted with optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:47, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Just to assure you this ''does'' happen (it's so nice having a PS3 video of half the game to pull shots from):

:[[Image:BF3-RPKForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:RPK with inexplicable foregrip. I'd just forgotten they don't all have that. Also, is it just me or is the scope mounting screwed to the side of the dust cover rather than attached to a bracket? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Single Action Army ==

Just letting you guys know, as stated on its page it is called Single Action Army on this site as there are so many nearly identical replicas calling it the more correct Colt 1873 might actually be wrong, and SAA is used as a catch-all term. However, just as we assume a full-size Glock is a 17 unless we can tell otherwise, we also assume a gun in a game is not a clone, unless we can tell otherwise. Therefore, it is assumed that the drawing of the SAA is the original Colt 1873, and should be named as such. This is just to avoid an edit war, or something. :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:28, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== M224 ==

I don't know about Xbox, but on the PS3 the M224 definitely has an M7 baseplate in multiplayer. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 15:54, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Yup, it has one on 360. Lol at the baseplate having a designation :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (CST)
:::Just about everything in the military has a designation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 00:10, 10 March 2012 (CST)

::Feel free to change it, I was going off it not having one in single. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:31, 19 November 2011 (CST)

== Kaffarov's Private Army ==

While I understand that Kaffarov is an arms dealer, it boggles my mind how so many times in fiction there are people who are able to procure such military spec equipment like the F2000, Mk.17 (SCAR-H), AEK-971, and so many others. Surely the companies and or countries that produce them don't freely sell them to whatever buyers there are? My question is how would people like Kaffarov even be able to avoid the system and acquire such equipment? I don't know if it has been answered elsewhere, or for obvious reasons '''hasn't''', but it's just something that I haven't been able to explain logically. -- Long Fallen 18:03, 19 November 2011 (CST)

:Reminds me of [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Legionnaire Legionnaire] from [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Battlefield:_Bad_Company Battlefield: Bad Company]. And that guy paid his mercenaries in ''gold bars'', mind you. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Kaffarov... Makarov... Kaffarov... Makarov... Is it only me or does BF3 is trying to copy MW3 in many matters? :/ --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 23:29, 19 November 2011 (CST)

::Um, what's so suspicious about Russian (or Russified) surname ending in -ev or -ov? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 00:51, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I'm not sure either, but it lets us have the cool guns people don't really use, so it gets a pass in my books. Also, those two names aren't really that similar, and the characters are nothing alike. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:12, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:To answer the question, no. Any customer who could afford top-drawer equipment would be dealing directly with the company that made it, the kinds of people who go to dodgy arms dealers want weapons that are simple enough to equip illiterate militiamen with, cheap enough to equip a ''lot'' of them with, and have widely available spare parts and ammunition. It's no longer the era when unpaid former Soviet commanders would empty entire arms depots onto the black market and flee to countries that don't have extradition treaties with Russia, and no longer the era when you could get a superpower to pony up a whole bunch of equipment and training just by saying you were fighting for / against communism. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:46, 20 November 2011 (CST)

::I see, but I recall this story from a few years back -[http://www.expatica.com/be/news/local_news/factory-tightens-security-after-gun-thefts-23226.html Stolen Five-seveNs from FNH factories] (I had no idea the P90 was a handgun xD) - And then there's this too -[http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20081112_worrying_signs_border_raids Mexican drug cartels being armed with P90s and Five-seveNs] So I still want to know, what are the likely chances of seeing terrorists with such equipment? I mean, these articles seem to bring it to light. (Sorry if I'm going off topic) -- Long Fallen 00:42, 21 November 2011 (CST)

:::With Mexico it's a situation where a lot of the top-class armament is purchased in the United States and smuggled across the border; similar arrangements were used to smuggle arms to the IRA during The Troubles in Northern Ireland. That's the "buying directly from the supplier" kind of deal, and is usually done without a dealer acting as an intermediary (because the Cartels have enough money to do it themselves, or take the weapons in part payment for supplying product to drug dealers). Your typical Eastern Bloc / African arms dealer just buys up weapons somewhere a war is ending and ships them to where a war is still going on, because the buyers don't have the contacts, legitimacy or resources to do it by themselves. A lot of the guns these guys circulate have been involved in local conflicts for years or even decades.

:::Top-end hardware typically comes from governments and organisations. Insurgents in Iraq didn't get top-of-the-line anti-tank weapons and training in making IEDs from some guy in the business of moving weapons, they got them from sympathisers in places like Iran. Alarmism about what ''kind'' of weapons terrorists have is pretty foolish anyway, since generally they prefer the instant, indiscriminate destruction of explosives to trying to shoot people with a gun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:58, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, I see, thanks for enlightening me :) -- Long Fallen 20:25, 21 November 2011 (CST)

Whoever said "a lot of the top-class armament...blah blah Mexico... smuggled from US..." is rather wrong. The Mexican cartels who have P90s and M16s and etc western weaponry are getting it from the Mexican military and police, only a small percentage of the guns near the US border are actually smuggled in to Mexico from the US. The numbers seem higher because recently Mexico has been sending in stores of arms they have confiscated over the past X amount of years (that they know can be most likely traced to the US) to get traced at the same time. This leads to a overblown number that looks good on anti-firearms pamphlets. If you think about it a bit, what do you think would be easier and cheaper:

1. Finding and paying someone to buy 10 semi-automatic guns in the US at ridiculous prices, risking him getting caught, losing your money, going through all the background checks, etc, then sneaking them over the border. Not to mention finding ammo.

Or

2a. Paying some guerrillas in some SA country x amount of dope to bring in a ship, container, truck, or plane full of 100s or 1000s of eastern bloc or former US military weaponry, that is most likely going to be fully automatic. Plus large quantities of ammo for said weaponry.

2b. Stealing or buying from a corrupt military/ police official brand new weaponry.

The "X% of guns in Mexico are from the US" myth is a fallacy created by the Mexican and US govts and heavily compounded by the ATF smuggling them themselves or letting them walk, and the FBI for not laying out the specifics of the stats. Then the subsequent (ratings improving) media hype compounds it further.

Not saying it doesn't happen, just that it is greatly exaggerated.

Now as for how someone like Kaffarov would get the weaponry, its pretty simple. 1. Start a (possibly dummy) corporation (possibly in a different country). 2. Buy from a manufacturer saying they are intended for "security", or "testing", or hell, even arming your own "PMC". 3.Lock and load. How do you think PMCs such as Xe (Blackwater), AirScan, Aegis DS, etc.. get their new "HSLD" weaponry? Most international arms trafficking treaties do not extend to selling firearms to private entities in the same way they do governments.
Respectfully, the (somewhat intoxicated)-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 02:33, 22 November 2011 (CST)

:I wasn't saying it's the majority source, just the source of the more pricey / modern equipment. These people have supply networks that move ''tons'' of drugs across the border, they're not going to consider moving guns in the other direction a substantial risk; one would imagine their US buyers are probably the same people who buy their drugs, considering they're already going to be smuggling stuff back as payment and keeping their activities secret. Most of the weapons they get from the US aren't purchased legally (the big myth is they're bought legitimately from normal gun stores, SO WE MUST CLAMP DOWN ON THIS). Most of their stuff is indeed bought in from other sources, but weapons like the Barretts aren't going to be coming from just anywhere, and there ''is'' precedent from this happening in Northern Ireland where the IRA got a lot of their best weapons from Irish expatriates in America.

:As for Kaffarov, the main problem with the mythical top-end arms dealer is who he's supposed to sell these rare weapons on to, not how he'd get them himself. Sure, if it's ''just'' equipment for his private troops he might splash out, but he wouldn't be wholesaling in exotic arms with rare ammo and parts because nobody would buy them, plus he'd have problems with the companies he's buying from wondering why their weapons are suddenly turning up in conflict zones in the exact quantity they're selling them to his shell company. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 22 November 2011 (CST)

::I know who! He's obviously selling to the Russian Army, Brazilian and African militants, and Makarov's terrorists in MW2 and MW3! [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:32, 23 November 2011 (CST)

: From what I remember in the BF3 novel Kaffarov was a former GRU agent handling weapons and training with then political ally Iran, who got too deep in the local agendas and was probably compromised. IN the novel his weapons were less new (Uzis and shit), but I could totally buy that Kaffarov was still connected enough to Russia's arms trade that he could probably weasel crates of AEK971s out of them without too much trouble. Supposedly that's how Solomon got the suitcase nukes in the first place anyway, off Kaffarov. (as a note the book's plot is little more coherent than the game, probably worth the pickup if you're trying to dissect the game's narrative.)--[[User:Toadie|Toadie]] 04:17, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:This entire discussion is clearly a case of thinking way harder about what Kaffarov is hypothetically capable of procuring for his men than DICE did while they were working on the game. As for the whole "Mexico Gun Smuggling Debate" - try reading some academic reports on the subject before claiming that the statistics were cooked up ([http://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/Chapter%206-%20U.S.%20Firearms%20Trafficking%20to%20Mexico,%20New%20Data%20and%20Insights%20Illuminate%20Key%20Trends%20and%20Challenges.pdf Wilson Centre: U.S Firearms Trafficking to Mexico] is a long read, but it does illuminate the various ways guns are smuggled and how they are interdicted) --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 16:41, 23 November 2011 (CST)

well look at the Libyan civil war were both sides were able to get massive amounts of G-36s --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:38, 23 November 2011 (CST)

Most of the weapons such as Barretts, M16s, etc.. are coming from the Mexican military. As for the IRA in the 80s I know all about that, that was a different time. Many things happened back then that could not happen now. Plus the IRA stopped getting guns from the US when they realized it was easier to get them from places like Palestine and etc..
With Libya... well HK is in deep right now for selling to some state police in Mexico that they shouldn't be selling to, it wouldn't surprise me if they sold to Libya and other places.
And Markit, the report you linked to actually states in a couple places that the reports are skewed by many factors.
This can state the facts better than I can: http://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/90PercentMyth.pdf
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 00:57, 24 November 2011 (CST)
:There was also an incident during the Georgia-Russia war where Georgian SF were seen with G36s that they previously weren't known to have. HK weapons are turning up in all kinds of strange places. :S [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:28, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:@Ranger01 - There's no verifiable proof that all those high-end weapons are coming solely from Mexican law enforcement - last time I checked, they could get better weapons than the FN PS90s, Romanian WASR clones, MAK-90s, AR-15 clones with the post-ban features, SKS rifles with Tapco furniture etc. that have been turning up in seizures of cartel arsenals. I know that the 90% statistic was erroneous, but I also do not believe that the percentage is only 12% according to your report (extrapolating only from serial numbers is faulty in itself when criminals usually take measures to remove/modify them). Besides, the "most deadliest weapons come from Central America" does not equal "most of the weapons come from Central America", which seems to be the tack that your article is taking. Also erroneous is the claim that Mexican military personnel are defecting and taking "American-made" weapons with them - the "150,000" figure was for desertions (which take place for any number of reasons in a conscription-based system) and most soldiers are armed with Mexican-produced versions of H&K weapons.

::On an additional note, the G36s that were seen in Libya were likely a gray market sale - a firm buys the weapons with the end user certificate for one country, ships them there, then transfers them to the actual destination. A more controversial story would be that FN directly sold several hundred FN 2000s, FN 303s and P90s to Libya in 2009-2010. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 18:32, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::Politics aside, F2000s would be ''great'' for a desert country; they're almost airtight. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:22, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::Well Saudi Arabia did adopt the F2000 as their standard rifle. -- Long Fallen 21:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Hmm, didn't know that. As probably most of us are, I haven't had hands on on most of these, but am well read on them, and the F2000 would be one of my first choices of assault rifle if I had a country/army :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:51, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::::Now it's just a matter or wondering if they'll ever get around to using them... Sad is the day when hundreds of beautiful F2000s sit untouched in Arabian armories, gathering up dust. It's enough to bring a tear to any IMFDB user's eye xD -- Long Fallen 02:43, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::Researchers point to '''Heckler & Koch G3A3''' being replaced with '''Steyr AUG''' in Saudi Arabian Army[http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_standard_infantry_rifle_for_saudi_arabian_army][http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110305182603AA3EBn4] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:13, 27 November 2011 (CST)

::::::::So the SA National Guard bought the 55,000 F2000s... but the AUG was on issue? Did it replace the AUG? The standard rifle is the G3A3 as of now? A lot of this information feels so outdated. -- Long Fallen 16:19, 27 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::::Saudi Arabian National Guard is separate from Saudi Arabian Army. An analogy would be 'Waffen-SS' (SANG) and 'Wehrmacht' (SAA)[http://www.dnipogo.org/fcs/comments/c424.htm] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:08, 28 November 2011 (CST)

== Blackburn from BHD ?? ==

Go see the Colt M4 section and the M4 series below it is said that Black burn holds M4 quite often. I would like to ask is this Blackburn any how related to Todd Blackburn from Black Hawk Down, the Ranger who fell from the Black Hawk chopper? - [[S9771773G]] 09:47, 20 November 2011 (GMT)

:I imagine it's just a coincidence, Blackburn is a "heroic" surname like Carver or Slater or whatever. I'd have thought if they were referencing Black Hawk Down they'd have named him after someone like Shughart or Gordon, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:08, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Doubt it. 'Battlefield 3' is unrelated to 'Black Hawk Down', plus, Todd Blackburn is Army Ranger while Henry Blackburn is Marine Recon. Proper analogy would be Patterson's from 'Medal of Honor' series. Both are in Army and [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/Jim_Patterson one] is actually the grandson of [http://medalofhonor.wikia.com/wiki/James_Steven_Patterson another]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 04:19, 20 November 2011 (CST)
:'''P.S.''' Although, this would explain the appearance of Little Birds...

::There's also the fact that Todd Blackburn is a real person while Henry Blackburn is a fictional one. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:14, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:::True, there is even a page on [http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/vips/todd-blackburn.php Todd Blackburn]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:27, 21 November 2011 (CST)

::::From the link posted by Masterius: "In reality, it is not known why Blackburn lost his grip on the rope and is generally assumed that his inexperience led to his fall ('''However, Master Sergeant Matt Eversmann states that around the time when Blackburn fell, the UH60 canted slightly, and had to put his hand down to stay upright'''. The ranger that roped in after Blackburn also swears that he had grabbed the rope.) Additionally, the film incorrectly portrays Blackburn as a new arrival to Somalia, when in reality he had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company."
::::Um... why would Matt Eversmann have any trouble staying upright in said canting helicopter ''when he was in a Humvee on the ground''? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:22, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::[http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp Because he was, in fact, in a Blackhawk?] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:00, 25 November 2011 (CST)
:::::'''P.S.''' ^ Oh, the age there is said to be 18, and "just months out of a Florida high school", instead of 20, and "had been in country for the same amount of time as the rest of his Company". So which of the descriptions is the correct one?

::::::They'd said on the DVD commentary as well as in the History Channel documentary about the raid that Eversmann was with the convoy the whole time. Guess they didn't have their facts straight. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:16, 26 November 2011 (CST)

:::::::He was the leader of Chalk Four as shown in the film and was inserted by Black Hawk, callsign Super 67. He didn't go to the crash site as shown in the film though, instead he was part of "The Lost Convoy" carrying the captured prisoners, think that is what you are thinking of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:36, 26 November 2011 (CST)

::::An interesting thing I found about Todd Blackburn was that he was born on October 25, the same date that BF3 was released, maybe that date was selected on purpose by DICE? [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Now this is intriguing... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:01, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I can tell you without any doubts that BF3 has several [[Generation Kill]] references. For example:

- The main protagonist is part of the 1st Reconnaissance Battalion.

- When driving towards Tehran in the humvees and complaining that they signed up for an ambush, the driver says "Frankly gentleman, I'm not hearing the aggression I'd like. Keep scanning". Which is a reference to the 5th episode "A Burning Dog" when the team leaders are preparing to clear out an ambush by a bridge.

- When Henry Blackburn and Co. drives in a convoy to capture Kaffarov the arms dealers. Matkovic, the guy wearing MultiCam OCP and the AT4, was sleeping on the convoy and when woken up he says "thirty four minutes... I've been asleep for thirty four minutes drinking a vanilla milkshake." Also a reference from the 5th episode A Burning Dog, when Ray Person wakes Brad Colbert to a team leader meeting, Brad responds "fifty six minutes. I've been asleep for fifty six minutes".

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:00, 20 November 2011 (CST)

:Not to mention the character named Chaffin. There's more, I'll have to play it again to find them all.-protoAuthor 23:16, 24 November 2011 (CST)

== M203 Dog tag ==

I was watching my new unlocked dog tags on Battlelog, and saw that the 40mm GL proficiency Dog tag has an M203 in the background.
Should it be added to the list of weapons appearing in the game?

http://battlelog-cdn.battlefield.com/public/profile/bf3/stats/dogtags/lb/dtb094.png?v=1628729

[[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yes it should, like the SAA. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:29, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, though I would prefer these as full screenshots if possible (ie someone unlocking / viewing them), I never like pages full of different aspect ratios and weird tiny images. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:Well since we're mentioning weapons appearing on dog tags but not the actual game for usage, the USAS-12 proficiency dog tag has a SPAS-12 silhouette for some reason. It was probably directly ported from Bad Company 2 given how it looks. -- Long Fallen 17:59, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::Quite a number are, the SCAR-H is a SCAR-L. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:37, 23 November 2011 (CST)

::It actually peeves me that many of the assault rifle proficiency dog tags use the icons for the Bad Company 2 models, like most of the assault rifles equipped with grenade launchers. Especially the F2000 one, which isn't even possible to have an underslung grenade launcher, let alone the EGLM pictured on it. :P -- Long Fallen 21:05, 23 November 2011 (CST)

:::You'd be wrong about the F2000 not being able to take a grenade launcher.

:::[[Image:Fn f2000 3.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|FN F2000 - 5.56x45mm NATO with [[FN EGLM|FN GL1]] - 40mm]]

:::[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:38, 24 November 2011 (CST)

::::Ah, sorry, I should've made it clear that while the dog tag shows off the EGLM, you can't mount any kind of grenade launcher to the F2000 itself to use. -- Long Fallen 00:42, 25 November 2011 (CST)

:::::You mean ''in the game''. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:05, 26 November 2011 (CST)

== Going Rambo ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMcM7OpC2dI&hd=1

Just how realistic is it? --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:02, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:I think they should implement an overheating system for all the light machineguns. Just like in Battlefield 2. [[User:Santos|Santos]] 06:33, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Barrel changes would be more interesting, I think. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:32, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::And then there will be people complaining that Battlefield is becoming simulator. Rather odd, since magazine system and overheating system were part of the core Battlefield games since the beginning... Sigh, Bad Company... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 05:52, 1 December 2011 (CST)

More funny stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxsbTjPe2fs&hd=1 --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

== Back to Karkand ==

There's an expansion pack coming out in December, and it's going to have ten new guns and four new vehicles.

Here's a list of the weapons that I can absolutely confirm from seeing in the kill-feed in the trailers:

MG36 with a top rail instead of the carrying handle/optics

L85A2

QBZ-95B

QBU-88

FAMAS (Looks to be the Felin version)

There also looks to be some sort of Kalashnikov style weapon, but it's not shown clearly enough for me to recognize.

Here are the trailers if you feel like playing Where's Waldo:

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TyN_Zjw4l-s Overall Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjTmieRMKjo Karkand Trailer]

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emGXp-qRrVg Oman Trailer]

Also of note, I have the PC version and just about all the weapons unlocked. I might upload screenshots if I get the chance.
--[[User:AchingScaphoid|AchingScaphoid]] 08:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:Unless they've got the screenshot feature working now, you'll need FRAPS to get screenshots. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:20, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:There are 2 AK variants in the first trailer you posted, I think the first is an [[AKM]], second is the same [[AKS-74U]] with the incorrect milled receiver as seen in the main game. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:37, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:The L85 is in the first trailer, although very briefly. 0.37, there's an L85. Old plastic handguard, RIS instead of the 19mm rail. No idea on the optic, other than it not being a SUSAT. --[[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

::I think it might be an Elcan of some sort but not sure. The newest modification to the L85A2 replaces the old rail with a MIL-STD-1913 rail and is fitted with an Elcan Spectre with a piggybacked CCO. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:08, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:::I've also seen real L85s with ACOGs, so using that could be authentic for optics. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:13, 29 November 2011 (CST)

::::An ACOG on a MIL-STD-1913 would be incorrect though. British ACOGs have a proprietary mount for the original 19mm rail. Any gun that is fitted with the new rail will be using the ELCAN. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:::::Indeed:
:::::[http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL069/upload/2008/02/2_acog.jpg L85A2 with ACOG on mount]
:::::[http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee252/TarnishUK/SpecterOS4x.jpg L85A2 with Specter on rail]
:::::--[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 06:41, 1 December 2011 (CST)

I added them to the page, feel free to expand them. This picture was on the Blog a few weeks back, it shows all 10 weapons:

http://blogs.battlefield.ea.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/battlefield_5F00_bad_5F00_company/Back_2D00_to_2D00_Karkand_2D00_Assignments.jpg

[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:12, 29 November 2011 (CST)

:List of all weapons and attachments in BtK expansion:

:http://mp1st.com/2011/11/30/the-complete-list-of-bf3-back-to-karkand-weapons-and-attachments-revealed/

:--[[User:Wikinerd|Wikinerd]] 09:04, 30 November 2011 (CST)

::Really, the best they could manage was photos of someone's TV? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)

:I'm not too sure what to think of the Pancor Jackhammer being in this game, I mean, we've already got the USAS-12 as the automatic shotgun, if they wanted to add in another one, they could've just added in the AA-12. Anyone kinda with me on this? - Long Fallen 14:20, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Not a fan of automatic shotguns anyway, since they, technically, overshadow the semi-automatic ones (because of selective fire). --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)

:::The USAS-12 has competition with the Jackhammer, I haven't unlocked it yet but I remember picking up a kit with the Jackhammer and it was like using a slightly lower capacity DAO-12 with it's 6+1 rounds but with automatic fire rate. This video shows some gameplay, extended mags give it 13+1 magazine capacity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ICdl9fsE&feature=related It's apparently "slower than the USAS" from what little experience I've had with it and from people I've asked about it [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)

== MG36 ==
I know that there were only 100 or so MG36s made, but isn't a standard G36 with a bipod foregrip and a double drum mag exactly the same thing? I get that if there's one in a movie it will actually be a G36 with bipod and drum added, but in a game can't it be called an MG36 since it didn't start as something else? Also, it IS an MG, not an AR, unless the RPK, M27, and QBB-95 are ARs too. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:21, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:An MG36 has a bipod handguard, C-mag, ''and'' a heavy barrel and reinforced action. This, like basically every other MG36 that has appeared in anything, is based on a standard G36 with a bipod and drum, as the Bundrswehr use. I don't think there's even a specific name for the configuration, but it is ''not'' called MG36. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:35, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::Oh okay, but would the heavy barrel look any different externally? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:11, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::I believe it's mostly internal. However, IIRC the MG36 was rejected the same year the MIL-STD-1913 standard was drawn up, so an "MG36" with a flat-top rail would have to be a G36 or an after the fact modification of an MG36, and speculating a gun that isn't real ''must'' be modified is trying a little too hard to cover up a simple naming error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
::::Oh okay, well, if it had the standard carry handle I'd say it should be "MG36", but seeing as it has the "C" one, it's a G36 with a bipod, C-Mag, and G36C rail. To be fair though, MG36 is a ''lot'' easier for the sake of the game. On DICE's part I mean. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:10, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:::::Alex - According to G3Kurz on HKpro, the barrel OD is 30% thicker. http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/94949-wtk-mg36-barrel-question.html Evil Tim - Where did you hear that it had reinforced action? --[[User:Shadowkungfu|Shadowkungfu]] 22:44, 30 November 2011 (CST)

== "Kaffarov" ==

So, is this mission always buggy as hell, or did I just have a bad run screencapping it? As well as that weirdness with the Barrett I had guns inheriting the texture of the floor they were on top of (I have a lovely image of a linoleum QJY-88), some pictures of MP7s with their magazine against their front grip and their stock hovering in front of them at ninety degrees to the gun and every single USAS-12 in the level appearing on the ground with no magazine. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:42, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:That always seems to happen with USASs and MP7s, but please, please add the linoleum QJY-88 to the main page, just for laughs :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 04:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

::Also, I really didn't get the last level. Why would you hijack a train that was already going to where you want to go (thus drawing attention to yourself for no good reason), then randomly rig it to explode even though you've already got a nuke on board? And why was one man with a detonator standing in the same room as the explosives that detonator set off? And how did Blackburn know that trigger would set off the random bombs and not the nuke? I have questions, dammit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::You're not an operator, you wouldn't understand. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:21, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:::This is my explanation and I know there's several holes in it but bear with me, it makes slightly more sense than just a lack of general explanation. The hijacking of the train was probably a distraction whereby once they got off their intended stop with the nuke, they would send it hurtling somewhere else for the police and other emergency services to follow. This would have then given them an opportunity to get the nuke to Times Square undetected while the emergency services scrambled to stop the train wired with explosives. In terms of the detonator, the guy was probably the patsy to serve as a suicide bomber-type to ensure the distraction seemed like the real deal and to lay blame once again on the PLR rather than Solomon. Blackburn knew that the trigger wouldn't set off the nuke because nukes require specialised arming devices if I'm not mistaken and you can't use a normal detonator to blow it up. Just my explanation of the events. Feel free to lay waste to my over-active imagination that came up with this somewhat cockamamie fill-in to explain the plotholes in the last mission. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:25, 7 December 2011 (CST)
::::The thing is the train was already ''going'' to Times Square, and detonating a nuke underground would create a sinkhole a large chunk of lower Manhattan would fall into; if anything it would be even worse than detonating it on the surface. Solomon could have just sat there alone with the thing in his lap on a timer or dead man's switch, the only purpose the hijacking ultimately served was to draw attention to the fact that something was up.

::::Then again, this story also had my very favourite, the framing device of the protagonist describing the action. I always smile when I imagine how it's going during the actual level. "So then I ducked into cover. Looked up but didn't shoot. Reloaded. Aimed down my sights. Saw a guy ducking out so I fire twice and reloaded and then..." "Weren't we supposed to be on a time limit?" "One Thousand Three Hundred Thirty Seventh Amendment." "Ah, yes, the right to defence in the form of an average-length modern video game." [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:47, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Correct, the train was going to Times Square but perhaps it was not the last station? I'm not sure how the trains work in New York because I don't personally live there but it's possible that Times Square was a station on a longer line of stations where Solomon could have sent the police, ESU, FBI, Homeland Security and whatever government agencies to follow the train rigged with explosives. Creating a sinkhole does seem like a better idea but I think the purpose of blowing it in Times Square itself above ground was to send a message. The mushroom cloud that would be better seen from above ground would strike more fear, in my opinion but hey, that's just my two cents.

:::::In terms of the framing device, I have to agree with the utter ridiculousness of the idea of Blackburn describing the action he performed when recalling every single detail from the playable level but it's far more plausible than Black Ops. Thinking of how Mason could describe every single detail of his action movie experience as well as the experience of the SR-71 Blackbird pilot just made my brain stop completely. Especially when he was extremely doped up and possibly tortured judging by the bloodstains on various parts of his clothing. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:59, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca4D0-s8OsI&feature=related Believe me, an underground nuclear detonation is hard to mistake for anything else]. As for Blops, I always had the image of the guys questioning him picking up the bottle of truth serum and checking the expiry date when he started with the G11s and WA2000s. Or the whole THE NUMBERS thing just ending up with him forgetting his wife's birthday. "No! Reznov said it was tommorrow!" [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:11, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::Holy wow. I know that's destructive and it's horrible to say this but that is indeed impressive. My sentiments exactly. However, they probably just went meh because they (as in the interrogators who were CIA) were probably using LSD as a truth serum as well as a mind control drug at the time. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 05:46, 7 December 2011 (CST)

== Question ==

I just got this game (yay! I absolutely love it, even the singleplayer) and I was gonna get screenshots but I heard I need FRAPS. What is FRAPS and how do I get it? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:34, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:It is a program that can record gameplays and you can also take screenshots with a hotkey if it is running in the background. It has a freeware version. I think in the free version it can only save images in BMP, but u can convert them easily. Get if from here: www.fraps.com. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 00:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::The free version watermarks videos, not sure if it does the same with screenshots. You're best off saving in BMP since the JPEG captures are pretty abysmal quality with lots of artifacting. Give me a few days first, though, I have fifteen hundred images of the singleplayer I need to sort through. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:29, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::I just need screenshots and I have Photoshop CS4. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

::::Then yeah, http://www.fraps.com/ to download the free version. Wikipedia says it doesn't watermark screenshots even on the free version, just be sure you have plenty of HD space since a 1920x1080 BMP weighs 3-6 megabytes. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:05, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::596 GB. :B - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:49, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::: I currently use FRAPS myself. It does not watermark screenshots. Haven't tried getting videos yet. Anyways, the race is on to see who can put up pictures first.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 14:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

I will be uploading a lot of great screenshots for the page tomorrow, should I add pics of the iron sights or just ones of interest? (ie, misaligned sights, the M9's correct sights, the MEU's tritium sights, etc.) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:45, 8 December 2011 (CST)

:Actually, I'm in favour of having ironsight pictures on all video game pages, since they're so often missaligned, or out of scale, as a lot of what we do here is point out flaws and educate (hopefully) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 01:06, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Yay, more work. I need more weight to this. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:22, 8 December 2011 (CST)

::Iron sights are fine as long as they're reasonably interesting and the article doesn't have too many weapons; this one should be ok. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== My God ==

I am so glad with battlefield 3 and mainly dice the are actually listening to the community and something even better they are fixing incorrect guns.

Ex:

Tweaked the AN94 so its burst fire better conveys the real world advantage offered by this weapon.

Added Single Shot to the AN94 as an available fire mode.

Slightly increased the recoil on the M416 and removed the Burst Fire mode (this weapon incorrectly had burst fire, which was not authentic).

from latest patch --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:13, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Cool! =) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:19, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh! But HK416 is still called M416? :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:13, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, really? they removed burst from the 416 and added semi to the 94? Wow, cool! Those were the only fire mode errors too :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:02, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, aside from not being able to fire the spotting rifle on the SMAW. I still think it would be amusing to be able to shoot people with your 9mm tracer that shoots like a rocket. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:16, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::What? Oh, looked it up: "Each round consists of a special 9mm tracer bullet, crimped into a 7.62x51mm NATO casing with a .22 Hornet blank cartridge for propellant". That is the most WTF round I've ever heard of :O [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 13:41, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::Alex, I don't suppose you could share the link with anyone reading this page? :) -- Long Fallen 14:17, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::Oh right :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:58, 3 December 2011 (CST)

:::::::I found a more detailed look at the round here: http://cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo05oct.htm [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 16:49, 3 December 2011 (CST)

::::::::I wonder if they're going to fix the "SVD" as well [[User:Santos|Santos]] 08:01, 4 December 2011 (CST)

:Is that just for PC? 'Cause I'm on the PS3 and the HK416 still has a burst mode and the AN-94 still doesn't have semi-auto as a fire mode. Or is this for the campaign? I haven't played the campaign again in a while. [[User:GunEnthusiast|GunEnthusiast]] 04:28, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::With the new patch that came out for the upcoming DLC, Back to Karkand. The AN-94 got the single-shot fire-mode and the HK416 got the burst-fire mode removed. Confirmed on the PC [[User:Santos|Santos]] 05:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

::On the PS3 here, AN-94 still has the automatic/burst selection as before; no semiautomatic fire. The HK416 also still has semi/burst/fire selection. - Long Fallen 23:18, 9 December 2011 (CST)

:::Xbox still has the old AN 94 and M416 fire modes. Also if you use the AN 94 with iron sights and swap back and forth between your pistol, the front sight disappears on the Xbox. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:30, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::::That change is in the next patch we're supposed to get, it takes longer for consoles. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:54, 20 December 2011 (CST)

Any idea of when that is? I just started using the AN 94 and love the two round burst but I'm hindered at long range because of the recoil and rate of fire.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:05, 26 December 2011 (CST)

:No idea, it has to go through certification from MS/Sony and usually takes 2-3 weeks. Ish. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:51, 26 December 2011 (CST)

== Changing Descriptions in screenshots. ==

If you take the screenshot, go ahead and put whatever you want in there. But if you're going to edit my words, do so only if there is a typo, misspell, incorrect information or bad grammar. Seriously, if you want to put your own words so badly, put your own damn screenshots up.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:58, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Your screenshot descriptions read like a filing cabinet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:40, 5 December 2011 (CST)
Then like I said previously, put up your own damn screenshots--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 13:20, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:This is a wiki. The point of a wiki is collaborative editing. As stated in the [[Rules,_Standards_and_Principles#IMFDB_is_an_information_resource.2C_not_our_private_playground | Rules, Standards and Principles]], ''"IMFDB is an information resource, not our private playground."'' --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 13:48, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:And besides, if you take a look at the bottom of the edit window, you'll see it reads: '''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here.''' So... yeah. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:12, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:If you're going to get this precious about your screenshots, then don't bother uploading them at all. While IMFDB does have a certain unwritten concept of "uploader's privilege" it does not extend to captions that sound like they were sent in Morse code and don't match the way the other captions already on the page are written and formatted. Also, lose the attitude or you'll be getting some time out. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 15:50, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::Unless the map or game mode is important to the image, which it usually is not, it should be left out. As for the rest of your captions, I have no problem with what you put, just the map/gamemode doesn't belong here. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:38, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:Fine fine. I didn't know you were an admin so don't ban me just to prove you can. Sorry if I sounded a little terse, but it is annoying having your words re-written constantly. But just one last thing, cause I noticed you mass changed my changes back to what you had, would you mind changing "the player character" to the class? Such as "The US/Russian Engineer in Multiplayer holds the A-91"? (i'll put that screenshot up in a bit)--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:10, 5 December 2011 (CST)
::I mainly do that because the character has no name in multi, it's much easier in single where you can do "Blackburn holds an X." "An engineer holds an X" seems a little awkward in terms of sentence structure; it feels oddly unspecific about the character holding the weapon being the one the player is controlling. I mainly make a deal of saying "the player character holds..." because it annoys me when people say "the player holds..." since the player is either holding a control pad or a mouse. Typically if the player is holding a gun something has gone very badly wrong somewhere along the line. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:28, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] is admin since October 2011, so keep that in mind. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:07, 6 December 2011 (CST)

:::I didn't know that, congrats! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 6 December 2011 (CST)

::I just think that it sounds better than just saying "the player character" because it is just extremely generic. That's why I usually just put "weapon with extra extra extra attatched" without putting player character, cause it's obvious there is a player character holding the weapon. And you don't want people to be holding guns in real life? Tsk Tsk. What kinda firearm wiki admin are you? And relating to that, is there a list of site Admins available? Is it in the forum? Cause I know there's at least 5 of you guys floating around here (plus Bunni, but I have never actually seen him post or discuss something in the main wiki) and it'd be nice to know who they are. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 10:08, 7 December 2011 (CST)

:::[[Imfdb :. guns in movies :. movie guns :. the internet movie firearms database:Administrators|There you go]]. Overly long page title BTW. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 10:29, 7 December 2011 (CST)

As long as you don't edit my post about the PP2000 doing as much damage and throwing pebbles at someones face, that's my gem right there. :p (not like there's anything I can do about if it does get edited) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 13:24, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:I won't change it. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:28, 10 December 2011 (CST)

== Knife used by Dmitri ==

Does anyone know what kind of knife was used by Dmitri in the mission "Comrades"? Its the one he uses to cut the wires in the garage to unlock the gates. It looks ... funky and not very utilitarian--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:06, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:It's a Spetsnaz machete. [http://www.sovietarmystuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1160] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:25, 5 December 2011 (CST)
:A more in-depth look here: http://interestingswords.com/machete/russian-machete-taiga.html [[User:Nohomers48|Nohomers48]] 17:10, 8 December 2011 (CST)

== Furthering the US Army / USMC mix theory ==

IRL USMC use neither [[M26 Modular Accessory Shotgun System|M26 MASS]] nor [[Heckler & Koch M320|M320 GLM]]. Army does. USMC still use [[M203 grenade launcher|M203 GL]] as UGL. As for hand-held grenade launcher... [[Milkor MGL#MGL 140|M32 MGL]]. Spammy for MP but would have worked for SP (like [[Barrett M82#Barrett M107|M107 LRSR]] did). Thoughts shared. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:40, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:Well yeah, and they also don't use the M1A2 Abrams. This seems to be in some nebulous future where the USMC has upgraded all their equipment. Also the M107 was actually pretty stupid since all you did with it was shoot some guys on the other side of a courtyard with a non-magnifying scope. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:44, 9 December 2011 (CST)

::Gotta say, upgrading equipment in the future one 'A' more doesn't seem as excessive as with entirely new one... But yeah, it's still upgrade. Like, say, giving the future US Army the USMC [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta M9A1|M9A1]].
::Heh, that's the wrong mission they put M107 in. Is there any USMC mission where the long range capabilities of M107 would have served better? (Here I'm starting to think of those sniper missions in '''CoD 4''' and '''MoH''') --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:12, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::I think the best mission to have the M107 in would have been "Rock and a Hard Place," there's a lot of range in that valley. Perhaps even let you pick off officers directing things at the rear so fewer vehicles would show up. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:38, 9 December 2011 (CST)
::::In Operation Swordbreaker I sorta hoped you'd get a chance for some M107 urban action from a sniper point, taking out PLR Insurgents from afar. I'd thought big anti-material plus big city with lots of cover, be a perfect role for an Anti-Material sniper, alas it was used against you rather than use from you. Instead you just got a Mk. 11. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 11:14, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::Yeah, I was sad the M107 wasn't put to better use, it's the only time it appears in the ENTIRE game. The only I thing I didn't like in the SP. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:31, 9 December 2011 (CST)
:::::An LRSR mission with the Barrett like the one in CoD4 would have been awesome to have in BF3. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

http://www.battlefield.com/images/bf3-hooah :\ --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 12:02, 13 December 2011 (CST)
:Holy crap, I thought that was a real Marine in that pic at first! :O [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:35, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

== Just some silliness ==

I didn't feel like uploading tons of screens for the page today so I'll put these up just for fun.
[[Image:BF3-Falcon Kick!.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Falcon Kick!''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''Damn, those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting up my ride.''']]
[[Image:BF3-Duke Nukem-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!''']]
- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:00, 10 December 2011 (CST)

:Would be cool if the kick could actually have been used as a combat move like in '''F.E.A.R.''' or '''Mirror's Edge''' (also made by EA DICE) :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:42, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:More pictures with included silliness are always welcome to me :D If we could make pictures with captions as hilarious as the ones on the Far Cry 2 page, I would always come to the BF3 page whenever I'm in a bad mood xD -- Long Fallen 22:11, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::Yeah, the Far Cry 2 page is the best page ever created! :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:46, 12 December 2011 (CST)

::Wait, how do you kick? [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:37, 11 December 2011 (CST)

::You can't kick, this animation only happens when your character vaults over a low lying object, like a guardrail or a rock. -- Long Fallen 22:44, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:::Dammit. I am disappoint. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:46, 11 December 2011 (CST)

== Current Page Status / More Images ==

It's amazed me how long the game's been out yet there's still not very many images of all the weapons :/

I've unlocked all the multiplayer weapons, but unfortunately don't have a capture card for my PS3, which I think is moot since most of the current images look like they were taken on the PC's level of detail.

As of right now I love the current format the MP7's listing is in, showing off the accessories it can mount at one time, while also showing off each part of the reload animation. It would also be nice if each listing had the weapon's simple ironsights as the first image, or vice versa.

Either way, we need to make this image complete :D A game like this doesn't deserve to have such a barren imfdb page... -- Long Fallen 22:40, 11 December 2011 (CST)

:It's because the game's too fun to take the time to do it ;) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:43, 12 December 2011 (CST)

== HK53 ==

Is it only on the 360 version where the HK53 is, for some reason, referred to as the G53? And for some reason it comes standard with a 12x ballistic scope. It's quite amusing, the scope is as long as the gun. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 03:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:It's called G53 on PC as well. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]]
::I think the 12x is a bugged accessory, that's usually only available on those weapons for DICE Employees [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 06:01, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:::HK53 on PS3, hence that screenshot. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:12, 15 December 2011 (CST)
::::I had assumed that DICE didn't get the rights to use "HK" because in the description for all other HK guns they are referred to as "made by a German weapons manufacturer". Strange that PS3 uses the "HK".--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 12:44, 18 December 2011 (CST)
:12x Ballistic Scope? Can you take a screenshot and post it here? :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::lol sorry, I don't know the first thing about taking screenshots. I'm sure someone else here could get a screenshot. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:30, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::All the BTK guns have the DICE-only attachments unlocked by default, that is to say, all the ones you're never supposed to get. If you want screen shots I'd get them in the next month or less as they'll probly get rid of them in the next patch. 12x Scope: FAMAS, L85A2, HK53, QBZ-95B, QBB-95, MG36. Flash Suppressor: QBU-88, L96. Suppressor: Jackhammer. Note that for the Jackhammer the suppressor doesn't appear on the model in first or third person, the stats don't change, and I'm pretty sure the sound doesn't either, so really, it doesn't exist. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 10:04, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::DICE-only? Cheating Campers >:O
:::HK53 and QBZ-95B with ballistic scope - would be funny to see :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:33, 17 December 2011 (CST)

== "Realistic" ==

Does it annoy the hell out of anyone else when people talk about how "realistic" BF3 is, specifically compared to MW3? Yes, DICE did a much better job on the modeling and it does have a more realistic ballistics engine, but come on. Every soldier carries around an infinitely reusable parachute? People run around with defibrillators to instantly revive teammates? Somehow the Support class fits an infinite amount of ammo for every caliber in his pocket? Then, of course, every single soldier is trained to use every jet, helicopter and tank, and the jets can be used as taxis with wing mounted seating. Don't get me wrong, these are all things that add to the enjoyment of the game, and they work really well as game mechanics, but not even remotely realistic. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 06:22, 15 December 2011 (CST)
:They call it realistic because using the word "verisimilitude" makes people think you're trying to look clever for the sake of it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Yeah, some aspects of the game are unrealistic, but think about it though. Would you really want to play a game where you run out of ammo ever 5 minutes and have to run around and just wait to die or hope you knife someone to take his weapons, and then hope he too hasn't run out of ammo? Or would you want to have to go through a Gran Turismo-esque license course to be able to use every vehicle properly? While some things are clearly over-the-top, I won't argue with that, some things are obviously put in for the gameplay value, for enjoyment. IF the developers truly wanted a realistic game, they'd have the disc eject and destroy itself after you die. Though the defibrillator comment reminded me of something my friend said, "Oh, you come back to life after getting hit directly with a tank shell! Oh here, let me revive this oatmeal!" [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 20:49, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:Googling "Battlefield 3 is too realistic" and getting matching results is kinda funny. For some interesting comparisons: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacklerScaleOfFPSRealism Fackler Scale of FPS Realism] --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 08:28, 15 December 2011 (CST)

::As an airsofter I find it that list really funny. Classic: All FPSs / Realistic: Airsoft :D Seriously though, what I look for when I think realism is things that work how they do in real life, how they have to work, not whether they normally are or should be used in that way. BF3 is rare in that it has the following: Tac and normal reloads all done right, one in the chamber, iron sights and optics lined up/used properly, all fire modes that should be on any weapon present, switching modes does not change the gun's stats (ie switching to semi makes gun more powerful) just the mode, damage (which can never be considered fully realistic) at a reasonable level and based on the calibre, bullet travel time and drop. Now, whether the Marines have the right weapons, vehicles, or camo, and stuff like that comes second to me, because even if they don't use a certain camo, they ''could'' as opposed to one in the chamber, which '''has''' to funtion like that. Russian soldiers don't use, say SG 553s, QJY-88s, or Jackhammers, but they could, and more importantly I can, because first and foremost in mulitplayer I'm me. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 09:58, 15 December 2011 (CST)

:::Well, things like single reload animation, no +1 round in the chamber, fixed firing mode, hitscan, etc. are usually the result of engine limitations. In this regard we can see that [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite-2 Frostbite 2 Engine] is more advanced than [http://www.moddb.com/engines/frostbite Frostbite 1 Engine] (which already had bullet physics; although magcount and overheating from [http://www.moddb.com/engines/refractor-2 Refractor 2 Engine] are absent; it would have also been nice if there were interchangeable magazines). Regarding the equipment it shows how much there [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch didn't do the research] and [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShownTheirWork shown their work]. Me wants [[Project Reality]] for BF3 :| --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:02, 17 December 2011 (CST)

:I'm not saying that it isn't realistic in some specific areas, sure it is, but it's a video game, and to compare it to COD and say BF is more realistic is kind of like comparing Star Trek to Star Wars and saying Star Trek is more realistic because they used the word "tachyon". That being said, I think all four examples I just used are very evertaining. [[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 04:56, 16 December 2011 (CST)

== Javelins are the best. ==

Javelin + CITV station on a tank = fantastic combination. The top down fire mode makes killing LAVs and Amtraks, especially on Noshair (sp?) Canals easy, not to mention the massively amusing ability to fire on laser painted aircraft. It's always hilarious to watch an FA/18 blow up and the guy flying just sees FGM-148 Javelin killed him and he wonders what just happened. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 02:22, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:Oh my, sounds like tracer darting in BC2 o_O --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:56, 18 December 2011 (CST)

::And CITV Station + MBT Guided Shells! Lock, fire, triple kill on one Little Bird! Lock, fire, quad on the other. I was 7/0 20 seconds into the game! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:14, 18 December 2011 (CST)

:::It's even better against a jet. I just try to imagine the expression on a pilot's face as he wonders how the hell an Abrams just shot down his Flanker. [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:The Javelins may be the best, however, setting up the SOFLAM is akin to setting yourself up with giant neon lights pointing "I'M RIGHT HERE!" to the enemies. I'm sure DICE had good intentions when programming it so that it wouldn't be ridiculously common and spammy, but it just sort of defeats the point of giving it to the stealthy ninja that the Recon class should be. Not to mention it gets even less useful on Wake Island with the mobile AA guns shooting the bright red light visible from just about any distance with the fury of a thousand angry Russians armed with PPSh's. :/ -- Long Fallen 22:32, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Oh, the Tunguska, which has the ability of firing every bullet ever made at the same time?[[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 22:49, 19 December 2011 (CST)

::Haha, is there any other? -- Long Fallen 01:26, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== 9K22 Tunguska ==

I've actually just realized that while the page is mostly (half) complete, the 9K22 Tunguska's armaments haven't been added to the page; because I'd like to know exactly how much ammunition for its guns it carries and approximately for how long would it waste it all before running out, since it's a mobile AA platform? -- Long Fallen 01:36, 20 December 2011 (CST)
:Ammunition capacity is 1,904, combined rate of fire is variable between 3,900 and 5,000 rounds per minute, so if we take the lower rate of fire this works out to about 30 seconds of continuous firing. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:45, 20 December 2011 (CST)

::[[Image:2a38m.jpg|thumb|none|400px|2A38M Autocannon - 30x165mm]]
::Example image in case anyone feels like adding. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:36, 22 December 2011 (CST)

== Added a piece of info about the M1014 ==

It's really inaccurate for even a shotgun. I've patterned my shotgun in real life which also has a cylinder bore and the pattern was half the size of the pattern in game. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 12:46, 20 December 2011 (CST)

:This "short-range shotgun" problem is sadly common in video games, to the point which the TVTropes website has a page just for it. And Frag-12 rounds for the shotguns in this game are horribly overpowered too. I'd take a tighter pattern with a realistic damage-drop-off with distance with buckshot if they could tone down the Frag-12 rounds. For a more realistic shotgun, try playing SWAT 4. You can actually snipe somewhat well with a Benelli Nova in that game if you crouch and wait to become fully accurate.--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 20:55, 21 December 2011 (CST)

:SWAT4... It's the same game that also has handgun sniping and guns that do less damage at point blank range. I was disappointed with the 1911 in that game sadly. :( I'd be careful advising anyone to play that game; its mechanics are ungodly finicky. -- Long Fallen 22:23, 21 December 2011 (CST)

::You could snipe with handguns in Battlefield 2 too... That was actually a tactic employed by experienced BF2 snipers: shoot the enemy with bolt-action sniper rifle and then immediately switch to pistol and finish him off ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 01:20, 22 December 2011 (CST)

:Meh, SWAT 4 isn't as finicky with its mechanics if you know what you're doing. The damage with its guns is somewhat random to reflect how bullets in real life don't always perform as expected (i.e., JHPs clog with clothing and fail to expand, 5.56mm FMJ fails to fragment once inside a target if the bullet isn't properly constructed or the barrel it's fired from is too short, etc.). though I will admit that the M1911 and other .45 ACP guns are underpowered in that game. But I think the reason as to why "handgun sniping" has persisted up until now is that modelling ballistic physics for bullets en masse was only possible when the right programming and hardware appeared. The BF2 example was probably implemented as well given the limited draw distance of the engine; without an omnipresent zoom system to represent how your eyes can focus on far-off objects (like in ARMA 2) the limitations of pixels on our monitors means that enemies become unrecognizable jumbles of pixels at distances we would still be able to clearly see them in real life. Also, because adjustable sights are hard to model in games (as opposed to scopes with ballistic drop markings), pistols often don't have ballistic drop either. I tried compensating for ballistic drop while shooting pistols in the STALKER series--because the iron sights on pistols can't be adjusted it's very difficult, since essentially the muzzle will obscure your target when you aim high to compensate.

:But the sooner we get realistic shotgun buckshot spreads and ranges in games, the better. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:02, 22 December 2011 (CST)

::The problem is, the zoom system only activates when you press a button. So any time you don't, the environment is presented in its distant form. This gives an edge to the person who secured a position and now zooms in in the enemy direction, while the enemy is on the move and can't see said person. In reality, they should see each other evenly. I like this absence of bionic eyes in [[Project Reality]]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:So you have to hold down the button in ARMA2 to focus on distant objects? Well, a toggle system would be much better (probably combined with using a "dynamic zoom" system that used your mouse wheel or two keys to zoom in and out so you could vary the amount of zoom much like your eyes can focus across a great deal of ranges). Still, given the pixellation problem that I mentioned earlier, all PCs in Project Reality have to carry binoculars so as to focus on distant targets, but these cannot be combined with weaponry, so if you're using a kit that has no optics for your gun and are trying to hit something that you can't really see unmagnified (even though in real life you would be able to see and hit a target at that distance), tough luck. Project Reality is also going in the process of making a version based on the ARMA2 engine as well. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 18:17, 23 December 2011 (CST)

::Adjustable Zoom would be nice. Sadly, developers haven't yet caught the idea. Even adjustable FOV is not in every modern shooter (and where it is, it might be limited).
::It works both ways in PR: you have problems seeing an enemy in the distance and an enemy has problems seeing you ;) And yes, I'm aware of PR for ArmA II. [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-reality-arma2 It's currently v0.1], right at the starting line. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:47, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== M1014 magazine tube length ==

Can someone explain to me what's going on with the magazine tube length of the M1014 in-game? The weapon art models show the typical length, but in-game, the magazine length looks like a M3. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 13:12, 27 December 2011 (CST)

The pump action shotguns in the game start with four round mag tubes. Therefore the art models depict them as such. However, when you unlock "Extended Magazines", the in world model changes to the six round tube for both the Remington and the Benelli.--[[User:GLOCK10mil|GLOCK10mil]] 16:18, 27 December 2011 (CST)

:Didn't think of that. Thank you. --[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 17:03, 27 December 2011 (CST)

== UMP trigger group ==

It seems the world model for the H&K UMP has safe, semi-auto, and full auto, even though the in-game weapon operates with a selectable 2-round burst.--[[User:Baztian|Baztian]] 14:53, 28 December 2011 (CST)
:If that's true than it is an error, though the UMP ''can'' have a full/2/semi/safe trigger group. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:32, 28 December 2011 (CST)

== Back To Karkand Weapons ==

So I've been playing B2K a lot, and I've gathered a bunch of trivia about some of the guns that could be added to the page, but I'm not so knowledgable about them so I thought I'd leave them here so someone who knows more can add them into the page.

The L85A2 has three round burst as well as auto and semi, which as far as I know it doesn't in real life. It also can't mount the M320 which, again as far as I know, is the grenade launcher it mounts in real life. It's also 'cocked' by pressing a bolt release just above the magwell.

The FAMAS also has burst as well as semi and auto, again I don't know if this is true in real life.

Both the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B and burst as well as automatic and semi, but I'll admit I know nothing about these weapons. The QBZ-95B and the QBU-88 are reloaded similarly to the AN94/AEK-971 (new mag is used to push the mag release and then inserted) and it looks absolutely bizarre in first person because they're bullpup.

Also, the QBB-95 and the QBZ-95B are chambered in 5.45x39mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm and the QBU-88 is chambered in 7.62x54mm under the info screen rather than 5.8x42mm.

That's all I've got [[User:Nikonov|Nikonov]] 18:17, 9 January 2012 (CST)

:The FAMAS does have all three, and a lot of the info screens are wrong or somewhat wrong, pretty sure they're just copy-pasting errors as opposed to them not knowing the calibre. Everything else you said is correct as far as I know. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 20:34, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::Well, if they are copy-pasting errors then someone should tweet Demize about it ;) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:10, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::The reload animation for those Chinese rifles doesn't use the magazine to push the old mag out. The character pulls out a new mag and pulls the old one out with just his fingers but has the magazine in hand to load into the gun right after. I saw a video of it with an AK once.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:49, 9 January 2012 (CST)

::I'm assuming DICE watched this video, I don't have a clue if this is what they teach in the PLA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMmaIZ8Umnk--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 00:40, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:IRL L85A2 mounts not [http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/m320/lg_m320_3.jpg M320] but a different variant of AG36, called [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Black_Hawk_169/DSC00005.jpg UGL]. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 07:07, 10 January 2012 (CST)

::I just Tweeted Demize about the calibre and ROFs being sometimes wrong for the BTK guns. :) Also, he says he's not going to add the HK79 and GL1 due to memory issues, which is fair. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:16, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:::That would make a nice "GL Pack" DLC though: GL1, HK79, M203, UGL... And more, should the carbines get corresponding rifle variants :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 02:20, 11 January 2012 (CST)

Also interesting, the QBZ-95's ironsights glitch when you fire. Actually helps. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:23, 10 January 2012 (CST)

I don't have a Twitter, could someone suggest something small on the HUD on hardcore modes that show what fire mode your gun is set to? I change it a lot and the guns with three settings make it difficult.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:43, 10 January 2012 (CST)

:I agree, and Tweeted :) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:56, 11 January 2012 (CST)
::Would be kind of cool if in hardcore mode you could actually look down at your weapon and see the fire selector or check how many rounds are in the magazine. If you think having no HUD is "hardcore," just imagine having to actually worry about taking your eyes off the battleground long enough to check on your weapon like that. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (CST)

== Pancor Jackhammer ==

Why? Not only is this weapon relatively pointless since they included the USAS-12 (it seems to recoil less and that's about it) but it comes with a freaking suppressor. Of all the useless devices you can equip to a weapon as insanely loud as the Jackhammer theoretically would be, this and an under-barrel can opener would just about top the list. (I presume they put it on there because the revolving magazine system of the Jackhammer has some similarities to that of a Nagant M1895.) Also, why in the hell is the freaking thing even in the game? There's supposedly a grand total of two of the dumb things in existence. If we're going to throw in an automatic shotgun prototype that never made it into production, how about the H&K CAWS? That one was actually tested by the US military. In another world, it could have been adopted. Or, hell, the Atchisson AA-12. Don't get me wrong, the Jackhammer is a cool looking gun, but it never made it off the design bench and I'm a ''little'' tired of seeing it crop up in video games claiming at least some level of real world veracity (the world "realistic" is a silly one to use for FPS games). [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 03:24, 22 January 2012 (CST)
:It's supposed to be for the nostalgia, I guess, since it was an unlockable in BF2. Much like them keeping that "DAO-12" name for the Protecta, though it's now a Street Sweeper. There were actually quite a few Jackhammer prototypes, but only two that fired fullauto. Or rather didn't, which is why there were only two. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:38, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:They will put XM8 as military tested weapon, methinks. CAWS was pretty cool gun in [[Jagged Alliance 2]] :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 11:52, 22 January 2012 (CST)

::As stated, it's in because it was in BF2, that's the point of the Back To Karkand pack. Also, it doesn't actually have a suppressor. Well, it does, but it's invisible and does not change any stats whatsoever, not even making you not appear on the minimap. So, there's just a pretend option for a suppressor. Why? Same reason the two ARs, two Carbines, and two MGs have 12x scopes, and the two Sniper Rifles have Flash Suppressors: it was an oversight, those are the attachments you're supposed to ''never'' get those attachments, only DICE gets them, because they're silly. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 14:10, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Well the suppressor actually does do something, it cuts damage down. I actually like the Pancor though, with frag rounds, ext mags, and a Holo sight I can clear out most hallways on metro. But, that is pretty much the only map it is of any use on.-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]] 16:47, 22 January 2012 (CST)

:::Oh geez, way for me to miss the obvious. I forgot about it being in BF2, having not played the "older" games in quite a while. (Why does 2005 seem so long ago?) Actually, I was a little sad that B2K didn't include the option to hijack semi-trucks and civilian cars like you could with the Armored Fury booster pack. At least you can borrow a Bobcat on Wake Island and try to run enemy soldiers down with it for nothing other than sheer comedy value... And the other "weird" attachments (okay, maybe not the flash suppressor) are at least ''sort of'' useful. You can be extremely annoying with the MG36 fitted with a 12x - no sniper likes dodging nearly-accurate long range machine gun fire, and anything that snipers don't like is fine with me. [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]] 04:26, 4 February 2012 (CST)

== Dog Tag Weapons ==
I vote we add a section either at the bottom of the page for all of them, or at the end of each class of weapons for them, because there are a LOT of guns on dog tags that aren't actually in the game. (SAA, SCAR-L, proper MG36, standard FAMAS, that weird suppressed Makarov PM variant, M203, and lots more) [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:25, 26 January 2012 (CST)
:If no one objects to this, I'm going to create a sub-catagory at the bottom of each weapon class (SMG, shotgun, etc) that has all the Dog Tag-only weapons, because this page will get very confusing if we don't, as none of those weapons are in the game, just pictures of them. So far (of the top of my head) Makarov PB, Single Action Army, M1911A1, SPAS-12, SCAR-L, FAMAS (standard), M203, M16A2, M16A1, MG36 (proper). I'm sure there are more, but that's what I can think of right now. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 15:45, 4 February 2012 (CST)
::I've added everything I know of, but there are probably more. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:46, 8 February 2012 (CST)

== Patch is still yet to reach Xbox it appears ==

It appears as though the Xbox has been forgotten since the AN 94 still just has two fire modes and the HK416 still has it's three fire modes. Does anyone know more about it than me? --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:59, 17 February 2012 (CST)

:Yeah, we never got that patch that the other two platforms did. I'm assuming it'll be rolled into the patch that was originally supposed to come out for all platforms this month, but is now going to be in March at the earliest. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 00:57, 18 February 2012 (CST)

::Nope, here on the PS3 it's still the same, three-mode HK416 and two-mode AN94. DICE has gone on to say that across all consoles the stats are very different; however, the next patch will put all weapons on equal ground across all platforms. -- Long Fallen 02:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== All Fancy Right Side Dog Tags ==
I'm going to add this to the page soon, to replace the Dog Tag Weapons sections I made before, but right now I need sleep. They're sorted by the name of the real weapon in game, not in game name and not name of weapon in the picture, if those are different. If any of you can figure out what the not-actually-a-QBB-95 is, let me know :/ [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 06:36, 1 March 2012 (CST)

[[Image:BF3_500KillGuns.jpg|thumb|none|650px]]

:You have no idea how grateful I am to see this in a neat compilation! Been looking everywhere for just these designs to no avail. -- Long Fallen 02:46, 2 March 2012 (CST)
I think the QBB-95 is a totally made up frankengun. However the core of it is actually an Enfield L85, you can tell by the vent holes on the receiver: 3 horizontal vents at the rear, then a slightly larger gap followed by two slightly smaller vents. Also visible is the raised portion on the bottom edge of the upper receiver which runs horizontally under these vent holes, and the pistol grip and trigger guard seem to match. On top it seems to be a grossly oversized M4/M16A4 detachable carry handle, and the front is anyone's guess. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:56, 2 March 2012 (CST)
::Yeah, I think you're right. It also has the generic bipod most guns in BF3 use, Harris Bipod I think it's called. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:45, 2 March 2012 (CST)

== Flash Suppresor ==
I know this is really not important and probably no one cares, but I think the flash suppresor may be a Vltor VC-1. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 17:15, 1 March 2012 (CST)
:You found it! :D [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 17:28, 1 March 2012 (CST)

::Not important? Any info is very welcome on this site! In fact, I was wondering this myself. -- Long Fallen 02:48, 2 March 2012 (CST)

::Yeah, most definitely. We welcome clarification on any component or add-on used in the game. IMFDB's priorities are much different than those of game-based wikis. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:31, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Do you guys think we should have a section for the attachments in the game, since there are so many? For most games it wouldn't be necessary, but here there are 12 different optics, the aftermarket irons, KAC foregrip, Harris bipod, six (I think) suppressors, PEQ-2, pistol laser sight, and a tac light. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 21:53, 15 March 2012 (CDT)

:Yes, please include the info on which flash suppressors and other accessories are being used on which guns in the screenshots (as well as an addendum at the end of the page outlining just which real-life firearm accessories are in the game). There are many of us not in the know who would like to learn about them. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 01:32, 16 March 2012 (CDT)

== 3 Expansions planned for BF3 ==

[http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/07/battlefield-3-close-quarters-announced.aspx 3 Expansions planned for BF3]

Newest expansion has 10 new guns, what are you guys thinking/hoping they will be? I'm hoping for a USP, perhaps another pump action shotgun,maybe a TAR or a Galil, and an XM8 (wishful thinking on that last one, but they put the Jackhammer in, so why not?) [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 18:20, 7 March 2012 (CST)

EDIT: Can someone fix that link please? I'm not very good at this clearly.

Me being the AR fanboy that I am, I just want a short barreled AR (10 inches prefferably). cheech98 9:28, 7 March 2012

:HK416. I'd like to see another pump shotty and some pistols at the least. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 22:49, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Already spoken for; the M416 is the 10" 416.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 18:16, 8 March 2012 (CST)

Definitely a pump shotgun, maybe an Ithica or a Mossberg with wood furniture (because with black furniture it would look too much like the 870). I would like to see an AK in 7.62x39. I was honestly appalled that BF3 didn't feature a .30 cal AK. An MP5, a Hi-Power, a CZ-75 and a SIG-Sauer would also be nice; a non-tacticool FAL, maybe an FNC (always loved that gun), a Skorpion (come on, who doesn't wanna shoot that thing in a video game), the VZ-58, the HK P7 perhaps? The HK33 would be an awesome weapon to see (although admittedly not too plausible), an Uzi (full size or mini, doesn't really matter to me), a Makarov (still common among the Russian Armed Forces, right?), the P99, and MORE REVOLVERS, DAMMIT. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 02:04, 8 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I think if they added the FAL, it wouldn't be tacticool, seeing as how the G3A3 wasn't. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 1:32, 11 March 2012 (PST)

:Rumours are circulating that two such weapons in Close Quarters Pack are the CZ-75 Automatic is one such pistol as a competition towards the G18 and 93R and a new sniper rifle, the CZ-750 for the Recon. Also two new vehicles rumored are the UH-60 Blackhawk and M2A2 Bradley IFV. [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:07, 9 March 2012 (CST)

::But isn't the CQ Pack gonna take place entirely indoors? I'm pretty sure it said somewhere that the four maps in the next pack are going to feture entirely infantry-based, indoors combat. I guess I could see a helicopter working in there somewhere (thinking of the Airport map's chopper-gunners on MW2, I suppose) but it seems like vehicles would break the tense, room-to-room air they're going for here. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 3:56, 13 March 2012 (EST)

The HK33 is actually in the game already, in the Back to Karkand expansion pack as the 'G53' or something like that. *EDIT* Nevermind, you meant the full size rifle, my mistake...
--[[User:Ghostdigga|Ghostdigga]] 12:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

It's gonna be a bunch of CQB guns, no doubt. I'd like to see (Assault Rifles) Tavor TAR-21 and the Masada. (Carbines) AKMs and the AUG A3. (Machine Guns) LSAT and the IMI Negev (Snipers) VSS Vintorez and the DSR-1 (Submachine Guns)MP5 PDW and the Colt R0991 9mm. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 16:28, 8 March 2012 (CST)

There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year, I think we are going to have our hands full identifying all them because it ain't just firearms either, they're adding a slew of vehicles with each pack as is the norm with this supposed DLC's. "Close quarters" I think is mostly gonna be all transport vehicles so I suspect, possibly Technicals, Civilian Vehicles, maybe an aerial transport helicopter/plane or light attack scout helicopters, possibly light IFV's too. Weapons are likely to be CQB in nature, I'm hoping for alot of Sub-Machine Gun's and Shotguns, the game needs more Pump Shotguns in my opinion. My general wish-list includes:

* SA58 OSW Battle Rifle and Type 95 Assault Rifle (to round out the Chinese Firepower in BF3, almost the full collection now) for the Assault Kit
* Zastava M92 (Compact AK47 Variant) and the Mark 18 Mod 0 (Ultra compact AR) and possibly the QLZ-87 Automatic Grenade Launcher (as an Anti-Vehicle Weapon, replaces the Rocket Launcher) for the Engineer
* MG3 GPMG and L86A2 (Equivalent to BF3's RPK and M27, gotta have more weapons like those for the Support Kit)
* Mark 12 SPR (American equivalent of the SKS in BF3) and CZ-750 for the Recon
* CZ-75 Auto, H&K MP5, Mossberg 590 Pump Shotgun (if it was a secondary for the Assault I'd be in love with it), TOZ-194, Valtro PM-5, Sawn Off Double Barrel, Benelli M3 Super 90, Smith & Wesson 686, SIG P226, H&K USP, QSZ-92 and FN Five SeveN are just some examples of all kit weapons I'd love to see.

[[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 10:56, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:If they added the QLZ-87, it would be '''''WAY''''' overpowered. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:28, 12 March 2012 (PST)

:Dunno about the QLZ-87, man. I'd think most Battlefield players are already sick of overpowered, hand-held weapons that can auto-fire frags. [[User:Sopher|Sopher]] 4:03, 13 March 2012 (EST)

"There's gonna be AT least 30 weapons or more tops in each of the three packs over a period of this year" 
Thirty weapons in each pack? Are you kidding me? BtK had eight weapons. And how do you know all the packs will have weapons in?[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 12:37, 9 March 2012 (CST)
:Actually, BtK had ten weapons, and he meant at least 30 overall, he just stated it wrong. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 3:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

They just released a new trailer that shows off some of the weapons in the first expansion pack, I only saw two but there may be more hidden throughout, the ones I saw were the L86A1 and the ACR(I assume it was the ACR, it was however called "ACW-R", I'm seeing a trend with Magpul weapons here with the PDR being renamed the PDW-R. (PS. sorry if I screwed up the formatting, this is my first entry.)
After further searching the complete list seems to be AUG, SPAS-12, ACW-R(ACR), L86A1 LSW, LSAT, MTAR-21, SCAR-L. However some people claim to have spotted the CZ-75 Auto. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 12:38, 13 March 2012 (CET)

:Good catch Spry, I watched the trailer twice carefully and found the same. I'll make it a list so it's easier to see. As with Karkand we should avoid adding anything new to the main page until we have more to add. I'm assuming the same weapon layout as Karkand until I hear something solid about that full auto CZ-75, maybe it has a stock and is a PDW? I'm also assuming what go to what classes, can't really go wrong there. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 11:47, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

*Assault: SCAR-L (misspelled as SCARL-L; I tweeted Demize)
*Assault: AUG (variant unknown)
*Engineer: ACR (as ACW-R, like PDW-R)
*Engineer: MTAR-21
*Support: L86A1
*Support: LSAT
*Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)
*Recon: ???
*All Kit: "M5K" (don't know what it is, described as M5K tactical machine pistol)
*All Kit: SPAS-12

LIST EDITED

::I'm excited to see the AUG and the MTAR, but the ACR and SCAR-L... while I have nothing against them (in fact, I really like them) aren't they a bit... implausible? As for the LSAT... HELL. NO. [[User:ManchurianCandidate|ManchurianCandidate]] 19:15, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Not sure if this is on the up and up, but people are talking about the Recon weapons being the HK417 and the CZ-750 (these are were supposedly found buried in some code in a leaked beta build), and with both of these weapons having an effective range of about a thousand meters, this seems plausible. However others are claiming there will be no Recon weapons in this expansion, which seems like it would a stupid move on DICE's part. In addition people are saying the ACR will be a carbine with a 25+1 capacity, and that the SCAR-L will be the assault rifle weapon (seems odd to have a the 7.62 variant as a carbine and the 5.56 variant as an assault rifle, but oh well). Others say the second All Kit weapon will be something called an M5K? I'm not sure what that is. Again none of this was shown in the trailer, however some people claim to have seen the CZ-750 in the trailer, but it's such a poor view that it could just as well be the SV-98. Also, BF3 fans work fast, someone made these mock ups of the stats screens for the guns: http://imgur.com/a/iOlAQ [[User:Spry|Spry]] 03:08, 14 March 2012 (CET)

::::After thinking about it a bit, I'm starting to think the M5K is meant to be the MP5K, when you consider that they've renamed a couple of H&K weapons like the HK53 and the HK416, it's plausible that they had some licensing issues with H&K like they seem to have had with Magpul and Glock (No surprise there, considering how notoriously protective Glock is of their brand), So they probably just renamed it the M5K. [[User:Spry|Spry]] 10:29, 14 March 2012 (CET)
:::::Either that, or they misspelled it, like they did the SCAR-L. And if the MP5 doesn't have H&K's name in its name, they probably wouldn't have to rename it. [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 7:18, 14 March 2012 (PST)
::::::You also have to take into account that some of the weapons used by said classes in the trailer could just be kits they picked up in the middle of the battle, perhaps to throw off the assertion of which one belongs to who. I'm just glad the L86A1 is in there, finally another British weapon added, just add a Browning Hi-Power or a SIG P226 and I'm set! [[User:Draco122|Draco122]] 14:38, 14 March 2012 (CDT)Draco122

An M203A2 would be a nice addition, since the Marines don't use the M320. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:12, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

I thought this belonged here, since we're on the subject of expansions, here's a HUGE list of updates in this upcoming patch.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/#!/bf3/news/view/2832654779195992365/ [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 01:56, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

"Recon: HK417 (as M417, like M416)" TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 05:59, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

== L96 Irons?! ==

What in the holy hell is that garbage?! finally a rifle with good iron sights and the stick a SECOND front sight on the end of the receiver rail... for a whopping 7" sight radius... dear god what a disappointment. [[User:Furious Oyster|Furious Oyster]]
:As a side note, that isn't an L96 front sight, looks more like the one that is on the G22 (German variant of the AWM). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 15:39, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
::Hahaha, that was my reaction too. The sights will be fixed in that big patch that should be out this month. It was on that huge notes list. EDIT: I think the BF3 rifle IS the G22; folding stock & front sight. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/G22_ohne_Schalldaempfer.jpg here][[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 19:55, 16 March 2012 (CDT)
:[[File:AI AW G22.jpg|thumb|400px|none|G22 - .300 Winchester Magnum]]

: question on the L96, what is it chambered in? It should be .300 Winchester Magnum (I think?) but the ingame description says 7.62mmx51mm NATO... [[User:Lurker McNasty|Lurker McNasty]] 00:03, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
::The standard Arctic Warfare is chambered in either .243 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. However, the in game gun is modelled on a magnum rifle (can tell by the size of the magazine) which is chambered in .300 Winchester of .338 Lapua. The caliber is correct for the name of the gun, but wrong for the model it actually is. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:00, 21 March 2012 (CDT)
:Keep in mind most of the calibres are wrong for the Back To Karkand guns, like the QBs being 5.45mm [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:40, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

== Shortcuts ==

I was on the 360 Marketplace this week, looking for new Add-ons for any of my games when I came across several for Battlefield 3. They are class specific and cost 560 Microsoft points apiece or you can get the ultimate bundle which includes Air, Ground and Co-Op 'shortcuts' for a whopping 3200 points. What a shortcut entails is basically a free pass to getting ALL of the specific kits weapons, attachments and gadgets thereby bypassing the experience system if someone has the credits.

In short, this is a noob's wetdream. Personally, I think they should rename the Ultimate Shortcut Bundle to the Ultimate Lazy Bastards Bundle. Thankfully all of the shortcuts have been getting pretty low reviews. Thoughts? --[[User:Bad Boy|Bad Boy]] 16:28, 3 April 2012 (CDT)

:Wait, it includes weapon attachments? [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 18:24, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Every other game is dumbed down for casual gamers to blow through in an hour. Why is this any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:51, 4 April 2012 (CDT)

:Shortcuts are gay. 'nuff said. --[[User:Commander Lukas|Commander Lukas]] 17:21, 5 April 2012 (CDT)

I'm not too happy about shortcuts either, but did you really have to use gay as a way to insult it? [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42
:Sorry, I forgot gay means "happy" --[[User:CommanderLukas|CommanderLukas]] 11:27, 8 April 2012 (CDT)

== SPAS-12 = Pump-Action? ==

I was watching the part of the Close-Quarters Expansion Pack trailer where it showed the SPAS-12, and it looked like it was operating in pump-action mode. Is anyone else disappointed by this? [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 8:57 7 April 2012 (PST)

I'm actually quite glad, I was quite disappointed with the lack of pump-action shotguns in game. I guess they could say it's an SAS-12 so it's a pump-action only variant in real life. [[User:Recon42|Recon42]] 10:04, 8 April 2012 (CDT) Recon42