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User talk:Predator20

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Python ... sorry Predator20 .... I am just learning how to use this site. would like to set up a page like yours ! beats Facebook !!! I do have a page (I thought) "Canecorso" .... any help would be awsome !
Thanks

==RE: SIG cont.==

It looks pretty nice! I've always loved the "reverse" two-tone SIGs (like the one in ''[[2 Fast 2 Furious]]''). That being said, if it says "Made in West Germany", that means it was made before 1989. Are you OK buying such an old gun that you can't inspect up-close? I'm kinda paranoid about buying guns that I can't inspect first, but if you're OK with it, then go for it. It's definitely a good-looking piece, and I think no gun collection without a SIG is ever complete (though I have an obvious bias).

Also, CCR does a great job on finishes (my 226 had its slide re-finished by them). If they did any work on the gun, it's probably in good shape, but personally, I would rather try it before I buy it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

:The checkered style gives a better grip, but you can't use the newer trigger bar springs with them (only the old ones, which have a tendency to break after extended usage). My recommendation is that when you get the gun, ditch the "pebble" grips and put on a set of Hogues (provided your hand is big enough). That's what I've got on my 226 right now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

::Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I like the two-tone one better. I think you made the right choice. And yeah, don't get the finger groove Hogues, those are too big. The regular Hogues are also pretty thick, but they do improve the grip. In my opinion, they're superior to the factory grips. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 22:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Blocked him. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:26, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

:I would need to see either the receivers or the sight to be sure. If they're real guns, they're most likely to be Norinco Type 56s. But if they're replicas, probably Hudson model gun AK-47s. Also, hope you enjoy the SIG; post pics when you get it! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

::Looked at 'em closely. They have milled receivers, so my guess is that they're the Hudson AK-47 replicas. When there's multiple types of a certain weapon in a scene, you're usually looking at replicas of some sort. Like, if there's a cache of M16s, there's usually going to be some MGC replicas. Same with the AKs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:48, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

::They are NOT Hudsons. I have Hudsons. I will post a pic of a Hudson soon. Those are .22 LR clones (not the new ones, but the old ones from the 1980s). Not Armscorp but I think some other company, perhaps Armi-Jager. The handguards are indicative of the strange .22LR clones of the AK from decades ago. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Corrected that problem. Also, hope you get the SIG soon. At least you live in a state that has sane handgun laws. NC's are just...well, retarded. Oh, and happy 4th! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:21, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Got 'em. In the future, though, can you also put the delete tag on them? I'm kinda busy this week (on the road a lot) and don't know how often I can be on the site. If you put the delete tag on, then at least another admin can get them if I'm not around.

:::Can't wait to see the SIG. Hope it serves you well. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Just put <nowiki>[[Category:Delete]]</nowiki> on the picture (hit "Edit" and type it in). You can still point me to it, but this way, if I'm not around, someone else might see it. This is the page listing all the stuff with the Delete tag: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Delete -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:07, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== Featured Article ==

Sure, feel free to edit the photos. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 02:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pinko ==

Well the guy is definitely British, or some kind of influence in his language. I know they are the only countries that calls us Americans "Yanky", but the way he writes is definite up there and only UK uses the worse arse [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 16:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for heads up. I'll check my other uploads. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Hunter ==

I've actually been considering making it a featured article; should I do it by season or the show as a whole? I'd go by season but I don't know if that'd be wise since not many people have heard of it. Then again, it may be a nice way to introduce people to the show and show off some of the various firearms used. What would you recommend? - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]] 15:41, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==New anonymous member==
I checked ALL of the other edits and everything else seems okay. it seems like he's learning the system and how to edit on IMFDB. That one you caught is a pretty big screwup, but so far none of the other edits are vandalism. I will try to keep an eye on him, but he must just be another noob who is unsure how to do the pages correctly. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Thanks for that info. I'm suddenly not sure whether I should do anything, though. As far as I'm concerned, if the people who wanted me to take down the original image want to get angry at this other guy, that's his problem. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:40, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Admin==

Hey, Brian, I have a question: Do you want an Administrator position? I think you're actually overdue for the promotion, and we need good people like you on the Admin team. If you want, I can email Bunni to ask him to give you the new status. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

:Good idea! I also asked Ben41 if he wanted it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:42, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for the vote of confidence ==
Thanks for putting in the good word. Guess we're going to have to learn something new. Should be fun. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Admin rights ==

you has em. [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 16:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

==BTW - a belated Congratulations on your promotion to Mod==
Now you will have to fight the trolls/idiots/fanboys even MORE! hahahahaha(evil laugh). Congratulations!!!! MPM

==Delete section==
I found a bunch of pages and screenshots not deleted by anyone here: [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Delete]. Unfortunately, I rarely see admins go there. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 15:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

==Stan's wacko watch==

Hey man, remember me? Maybe not. Interesting how massive one's talk page gets when they become an Admin.. Congrats on that BTW. That said, I figure I'll let you know about this (if you don;t already), and I suppose you can pass it on to MT2008 and the others. Anyway, I think there's a problem with [[Special:Contributions/76.121.27.16|76.121.27.16]] - He's been warned several times before to stop uploading/posting redundant gun images on pages (I just remembered MT was one of the ones who's warned him), yet he's kept on doing it. He's done a handful just earlier today that I've reverted back. I hate tattling on another guy but I have have a feeling I'm not the only one he's annoyed with this crap. The guy does seem to add to the site and all, but I just don't like him continuing to do this stuff, it's kind of irritating. So, well, there ya go. Again, I just remembered MT told about this a few months back, but it seems he didn't care to listen, so, I don't know. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

: Ah, good. Thanks, man. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:: I found a vandal [[Special:Contributions/75.31.96.25|75.31.96.25]] - He just made one comment, but it's a rather tasteless one and should probably be hit on the head with the banhammer anyway. Another good anonymous guy edited it out already, but, thought I'd let you know. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:31, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

:::- Another one [[Special:Contributions/71.91.170.82|71.91.170.82]] - he's removed content from pages, which I've reversed. I warned him on his talk page but you should probably keep an eye on him. Or just ban him, your choice I guess. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::- Got another dude who's apparently flipped his shit lately. However, the dude's made shitty comments elsewhere and I've also had to revert sections he's deleted before, too. - [[Special:Contributions/173.62.63.157|173.62.63.157]]. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Already terminated [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
::- Ah. Well, I guess it's nevermind then, Pred. Maybe you'll get the pleasure of the next one, heh. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

: - I know you got this one already (74.63.112.138), but damn if this comment didn't give me a chuckle (''can i request i be a mod? cause you know im awesome so yea. just tell me when thats done k? k...peace bro'') Bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:26, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::- Yeah, you have a real fun job, now! ;D [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

== Stevens 520/620 Shotgun ==

The Stevens 520/620 is a John Browning design. The 520 went on the market in 1904 and was discontinued in 1932. The 620 was a more streamlined version. The abrupt angle at the rear of the reciever on the Model 520 was eliminated with the 620.Other than that the 520/620 are mechanically identical. The 520/620 was manufactured in 12, 16 and 20 gauge. The 620 was discontinued in 1955. Both models were avilable in riot configuration and sport/field configuration. I saw you post on Nyles discussion page. Also I think a 520/620 page is a great idea. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 02:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

== Stevens 520 ==

As I understand it (and I'm a little fuzzy on the details myself as there's not all that much info available), the 520 was the original model with the stepped receiver, and the 520-30 was the later model with the flat receiver (pictured). Very cool shotguns, actually - they were designed by John Moses Browning and were actually the first side-ejecting hammerless guns on the market. They were made 1904-1932 and then another production run in the 40s for the US Army in trench gun configuration. - [[User:Nyles|Nyles]]

==Russian Spammer==
Hahaha. Good job on the ban hammer! You seemed unsure whether or not that Spammer you blocked was really a spammer. I speak Russian and can read it only so so. But that entire blurb was a nonsensical paragraph about how to buy cars. It was definitely SPAM. Funny since our Russian user Kloga has argued that he has 'never seen any Cyrillic Spam on IMFDB' LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

== Front Page ==

I added [[Stargate SG-1]] yesterday and was wondering: What articles qualify for the random featuring? Obviously games are out of the question. And they have to have a certain standard. But: Is a certain length (amount of firearms), or completion of details like cross linking (actor pages etc.) necessary, too? I did not find anything about this in the rules. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 08:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

: Thanks for the info. I´d go with
: [[Image:KingdomHK912.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fleury takes aim at the terrorists Mercedes.]]
: and [[Image:Sombra13.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A Saudi police officer with his SIG SG 552.]]
: Also: There seems to be something odd going on with the featured article frame. From time to time the place appears blank. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Blank feature article ==
If I remember correctly, it´s on the FeaturedArticle and the Main page. The thing is that the frame is ''empty''. So I can not tell whether it is a specific movie or just a single line of coding that is messing it up.

btw.: Can only admins redirect pages or change the title of one? Driven To Kill should - according to IMDB - be Driven to Kill. No capital T. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:52, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks ==
Okay. thanks for the head up. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== TOC format ==

What works for me is putting "Film Title" first, putting the poster info right underneath, and then the TOC br clear=all. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 20:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== Combining Grindhouse ==
Since the two films were released overseas and on video as separate films, I think it would be best to keep them as separate pages and put a link to the Grindhouse page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
: They're already on the page. I done that as one of my first deeds here. :) --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:: And how many pictures of Hobo should be scrapped? :( --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::: About Hobo - OK, i'll delete something. :) --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
::::: Wait, wait, wait! 6 pictures of ALL the trailer is the maximum, or you mean just the Hobo's Shotgun pictures? If the first variety - it's terrible. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 22:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::: Done. Even 5, not six. :) By the way, I'll found that video of Werewolf Women of the SS is officail - it from Rob Zombie's channel. Can i restore the pictures from this trailer. I was trying to write about it to [[User:Ben41|Ben41]], but he's ignoring me. :( --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 22:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

==Beretta 92FS==
It was you who identified it in [[Grindhouse]]? Just wanted to know how did you do that (if it's you, of course). :) --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 13:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
: Thanks for your answer. It's exciting to know such details. I do know, that many guns have their own features, but sometimes it's hard to tell what is that features and it's hard to know all, like that one with the exposed barrell in 92FS.
Also wanted to ask - is it a kind of ethics or something for this site to credit, who recognised the gun (if it's not the permanent writer of an article), like in the Miami Vixe series first season article? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 21:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

==Re:Total Recall/Goncz==

(From above section) Have you checked out the deal with the [[Total Recall]] page? I posted a bit extra myself in the [[Talk:Total Recall|Talk]] page, but, oh man, I really hope it ain't that serious.

: I agree, I feel we have an obligation to note the Claridge info as a resource for background on the gun itself. But, I guess that may not remain so. Well, lets just say it got be a bit perturbed. I remember what one banned member (movieman1993 or something) said that 'we wouldn't get legal problems you fools!' or something to that effect. Bah, wish he was here just so we could prove him wrong. Oh well, I guess we'll see what MPM and Bunni do. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I think it's odd and we really don't know if the poster is really Goncz. But I' sure we'll get it worked out. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:47, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Actor Page==

Well, I had to take off almost right after I set up the page. But, I probably would have forgotten to search so I appreciate the help, and I'll keep that in mind next time. Thanks, man. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

==Lame page makers==
How much you wanna bet that all these noob IMFDB members who make pages for kids movies, either Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network, are all around the age of a 7th grader? I recently deleted a project which wasn't even a movie, it was a video taken by a 7th grade class as part of a school project. I was stunned that the page maker took the project as being one of serious merit (and their spelling and grammar sucked) so I assumed the originator was a kid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Boxcar Bertha ==

I'm fairly certain it's a [[Remington Model 10]]. Look at the reciever and the end of the barrel. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Remington Model 10.jpg|thumbnone|300px|]]

Okay it's done.Now I need to make a page for the Model 10. For some reason I thought there was already one.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh and now there is a [[Remington Model 10]] page. Great.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== CC Revolvers ==
Snagging can be overcome with practice, but why when there are so many great hammerless and concealed hammer models now days. If you plan on shooting your concealment piece frequently I would suggest one of the S&W J frames. Personally I like the 649 or 49 and there are still many lightly used S&W J frames out there that will cost you a anywhere from a couple hundred to several hundred dollars less than a new one. The 38/638 is a good gun, but the alloy frame isn't as sturdy as the all steel if you're looking at a lot of shooting. Also if you can find one of the Ruger SP101 with the 2.25" barrel with the DA hammer you have a good little revolver there. However alot of folks prefer the trigger action on the S&W revolver. I prefer Smith & Wesson, but I appreciate Ruger and aknowledge that the company makes a very solid and strong revolver.Just remember that the Ruger is heavier, but will also withstand alot of heavy usage. Look at your requirements.

Now be careful with Colts. Like I said in that other posting the old Colt revolver action (Pre-Mk III/IV/V/King Cobra/Anaconda) is tricky and there aren't that many gunsmiths left anymore who know how to work on the action. I would recommend a Colt for collecting, but a Smith or Ruger for real world. Be careful of Taurus. The company has come a long way, but I still have doubts about the quality control. And that's not good for a revolver being used for the real world. Life or death in other words. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about adding this to your main page. I was working on it and I was also talking to my kids and dealing with the family pets (no not the kids). Guess I got distracted. Anyway glad to help. Also in all fairness to Taurus I am thinking of buying a Judge just as a "neat" revolver. Oh and that reminds me of something else. Somebody asked me about Charter Arms a few days ago. I would put that company in the same category as Taurus. It's come a long ways, but I'm still not sure about the consistency of it's Quality Control.Anyway talk to you later.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the mid size snubbies are great revolvers.I own a Colt Mk III Lawman with a 2" barrel. It'a a real Bulldog. They also look cool as hell. But they aren't really designed to be concealed. I know there are people who make them work, but I think they're more belt or shoulder holster revolvers. I suppose if you wear a sports coat all the time it would work, but that's not me. My dad carried a Model 19 snubbie for a few years back in the 70's and he described it as heavy after a few hours and dense. He said that he was always worried about it printing. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Glad to help. The 642 is a good revolver. You might want to get Snap Caps so you can practice your dry firing without worrying about breaking your firing pin.I like them even with frame mounted firing pin designs like Ruger. Also you can practice loading. I use tem in all my firearms. Handguns, rifles and shotguns. I tell all our new officers to do dry-firing at least a couple times a week. It's helped me over the years. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:41, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

==Pred's revolvers==
Congrats on your CCP, Pred, and sounds like a good choice going with the 442(?) Smith. Sounds good man, hope you enjoy it. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:: An added feature! Well, not really. But hey, if it works. Sounds like you didn't pay too many pretty pennies for it at least. Speaking of Smiths, tell me, what's your experience with that 'bling-bling' 586 you got? Have you fired it recently? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:- Cool, glad to know a bit. It is a full-size revolver so I'd expect it to have some weight, especially since it's bigger than K-frame. Anyway, thanks for the bit of knowledge, man. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 03:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==banning user 125.233.23.5 ==
His nowiki command was not necessarily vandalism. I've seen that mistake with noobs who know nothing of Wiki command structures. I wouldn't do a permanent ban, unless he has done something else wrong. mpm

==Temporarily ban him again==
But clearly tell why you are banning again. If he does it a fourth time, then permanently ban him. We can't have guys doing obviously stupid things and ignoring the mods. It MAY make IMFDB more 'nazi like' like some disaffected ex-members have accused us of, but seriously, the mods (and quality good members) waste so much time correcting inane and just dumb changes made by noobs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:: Bah, why do people even do that? It should be obvious what the end result will be. Well I don't know. People who act like that have always just irked the living hell out of me. I mean.. that's just irritating. And I'm not one of the poor souls.. err wonderful guys who handle those things. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:24, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

==RE: uploading images==
I only edit it again so it appears in the screenshot category. Does it still appear in the category if you put the category part in the summary section? - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 00:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

==I think I will have to withdraw the Stevens 67==
I just checked the fine print on the side of the gun. It's a Savage/Springfield Model 67, not a Savage/Stevens Model 67. I 'think' the Model 67 is virtually identical save for a few differences (the ribs in the forearm is a wee bit wider). What do you think? Keep it or trash it? The problem is that Stevens also has a Model 77 which looks the same. Arghhh. These gun manufacturers and their third party branding of the same damned gun just drives me nuts! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

==Wacko watch part deux==

[[Special:Contributions/1morey|1morey]] -
I'm afraid the guy's uploaded a shitload of redundant and jacked images (one of them has the copyright posted on the image itself), and his [[Call of juarez]] page is.. well, look for yourself. I try to not be that judgmental but, sheesh.. :( I'd fix the page but I don't wanna encroach on admin-type stuff. Besides it's a clear showing of how NOT to do a page.. ahem sorry. I just can't stand pages done that horribly. Saddest thing is that it seems the game pages are the ones most like that.. bah. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

:- That's cool. I know he's a new guy so I tried to keep that in mind, still that wasn't too pleasant to see. The page looks much better now so thanks on that. I'm gonna add the proper gun images and links, and do a bit of formatting. I'd like to get your ok to move the non-firearm weapons (Bible, Tomahawk, etc) to the talk page. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

:: [[Special:Contributions/95.116.165.233|95.116.165.233]] All for you, unless someone else gets him, of course. And remember - PENIS! :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== School Rumble ==

has anyone added a page on school Rumble, i was adding a page about Sora no woto, i forgot that it's already on here. so just before i try. is there anything about that anime on this website

== School Rumble ==

has anyone added a page on school Rumble, i was adding a page about Sora no woto, i forgot that it's already on here. so just before i try. is there anything about that anime on this website

== school rumble ==

i have tried its japanese name Sukūru Ramburu still noting has come up, so im wandering if i could make a page

im new to editing these pages its just the pics i have trouble with

my page is still unfinished, when you look at it you can see what the problem is, sorry im still new to making pages like this. just need to know how to get those images right with the text

== school rumble ==

its just the cover of the anime that im stuck with now, sorry i must be bothering you now

i guess its fine.
Thanks for the help :)
im still stumped on what gun Oji kurasuma has i dunno what it is. but i guess someone who does know will change it.

my dad took my laptop off me yesterday so, sorry if i was unresponsive. i was going to make the changes. but thanks anyway, you've been a real help :)

==RE: gun discussions==

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner...I have no problem with allowing some discussions of guns, as long as they don't deviate too much from the scope of the site. I mostly just hate people using the talk pages for the kind of discussions we saw on the Beretta 92 page, because I think that kind of stuff makes us look bad. Also, some of those topics on the 1911 page look to me like they were started by an anonymous user who seems to be a bit of a poser (I remember he started a topic on the M16 page where he said he liked M16A1s better than A2s because you can "spray" with an M16A1, LOL). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 12:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

==Photos==
Thanks for watching my back. Actually it's pretty easy to revert those pics, but I'll start protecting them, but there are almost 700 custom pics I've uploaded ;) yeow. We can do them when we get to them. What is this guy thinking? A high resolution shot of a gun that's already IN motion picture armorer inventory? That makes it a little more site relevant than some snapshot of some dude's private property gun in his back yard. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

==Raw Deal==
Well, I usually put 'screen used' on the caption if it is indeed a screen used gun. That's a build up. As you can see, the choke is slightly different. That was taken from a Browning Field shotgun and 'crammed' onto the Mossberg LOL! Also the original movie Mossberg was a different finish than mine. And also the original gun was lost or destroyed sometime in 1990 on another movie set so it is no longer (from what an armorer friend told me) but that was yet another off hand comment, second hand, so I can't verify it. Either way, that gun was just like the Hollowpoint Type 84S or the Dawn of the Dead Remington 870. Built up by [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] for imfdb using the parts (which I have) :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

==Mac-uzi?==
Are you kidding? For one, that gun is hella gay. Two, those parts were made back in the 1970s from scratch when armorers had trouble getting Uzis (the early 70s the Uzi was hot, Presidential security, the Raid on Entebbe, the gun was all in the news). Why would I have 35 year old fake gun parts that aren't even correct and were custom made in a metal fabrication shop to fit a MAC-10? :D So I guess the answer is HELL NO. No gay fake franken guns here! LOL!!!!!! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]

== J.C. Higgins Model 20 ==
I added alittle more about the history of the shotgun. Manufactured by High Standard under contract for Sears etc. Basically it's a no-frills version of the [[High Standard Flite King Shotgun Series]]. But it is a seperate model and should have it's own page. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

:This is a memory I've brought up before, but I remember going into a K-Mart probably thirty-five years ago with my dad and walking out (dad & I) with a Ruger New Model Blackhawk in .357 magnum. What's amazing is here in my town there is a drugstore (yes an old fashioned drugstore with an honest to go lunch counter) that sells both handguns and long-guns as well as ammo, fishing equipment and so on. A few years ago I purchased a Ruger Blackhawk from them just to help support a local business. Going into that store is like walking through a time-warp. There are still a few left I guess. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

== Redirect ==
Okay. thanks. I'll do that. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

==RE:==

Definitely a spammer. Nuked. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

== Armstrong images ==
Hello and sorry for the no neccessary images, you can delete them. I will respect next time. --[[User:Comateman|comateman]] 22:34, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

==RE: Auction==

Yeah, I remember that auction. Obviously, the info in the PDF is not going to be 100% (as evidenced by the example you cited). Inaccuracies are likely to be a result of the fact that whoever wrote that document wasn't knowledgeable about firearms. But it could still help us. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

:It's definitely possible the barrels were swapped out for a later movie, though I can't imagine which one. Also, as far as the Glock in ''[[Eraser]]'' being a G21, it's possible, but it's also a bit strange to me because the opening credits scene shows a Glock 17 being loaded (the mags aren't long enough to be G21 mags). Though of course, the opening credits gun wasn't necessarily the gun used by Arnie in the rest of the movie. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Thanks for deleting the friends page but I have redone the page thanks any way

== Zombie killer 1995 ==
Ok thanks I'll remember that

== zombie killer 1995 ==
sorry sorry I'm new to this thing my bad if I reset the picture size to say 450px would that be ok?

== RE: The Way of The Gun ==

Comin' right up! :) And thanks. I was a bit hesitant at first about uploading my screencaps... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Ah ok, and once again: thanks! And yes, this is gonna look awesome as a Featured Article... ;) I'll just finish it up and maybe add a couple of them situational shots. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 21:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

==RE: M1911A1 disclaimer==

Sure, I think that would a good disclaimer to add. I also wonder if we should add the info about how most firing 1911s in movies are 9mm derivatives (like the Mark IV Series 70 or Star Model B). But this has been a big problem. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

:''The Mark IV Series 70 in 9mm while it was available they aren't all that common, I very rarely see them come up for sale. (maybe the armories bought them all).''

:You'd have to ask one of our armorers about this, but I would guess that could very well be true! Also, because movie guns always get sent out on lots of shows, it's possible for them to be disproportionately represented in Hollywood compared to real life (I've seen too many movies and TV shows that have had bad guys using the SIG P220 and P226 Sport models, which are pretty rare and hard to find.)

:And yes, it's possible to re-chamber a .45-caliber 1911 to fire 9mm blanks. It's also not uncommon for gunsmiths to re-chamber weapons to fire more commonly available cartridges (i.e. re-chambering Japanese Arisaka rifles to shoot .30-.06 blanks). I have no idea how common this is with 1911s, though. The impression I've usually been under is that .45 ACP 1911s were used mostly for non-firing, the 9mm Star Model B or Mark IV Series 70 were used in firing. I dunno when gunsmiths in the industry started figuring out how to make 1911s function more reliably with .45 ACP blanks, but I'm guessing it wasn't until some time in the 1980s or 1990s, which would explain why 9mm pistols were still more common than other calibers up until recently. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 05:01, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

:::In early gangster films you see Colt 1911's that were not converted to blanks but were still live fire weapons. The 1911's and 1911a1 are a delayed blow back weapon and were more difficult to convert than the straight blow back pistol like the Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless. Also the .45 ACP blanks were made from a cut down .30-06 cartridge and were mainly used in the Colt Thompson Submachine Guns but the 1911 had some issues due to the hard rifle primers. So you will see most 1911 and 1911A1's used in film prior to 1950 firing one shot since they were not converted to blanks or a mock up 1911 that has a small revolver inside an aluminum shroud to stand in for a 1911 when firing multiple rounds. About 1950 the Star Model B was brought in to the US for sale and several studios and armories purchased these since 9mm blanks worked and a conversion on a delayed blow back weapon was developed. From 1950 through the mid 80's the Star Model B, Colt 9mm and Colt .38 Supers with a 9mm barrel were used. About 1985 a new .45 blank cartridge was developed that used a large pistol primer allowing the armories to activate there 1911's to fire reliably. The Stembridge had both Colt 1911 and GI 1911A1 in there inventory also had Colt 9mm Series 70. They did try to convert 45's to 9mm but had problems due to the larger breach face in the 45 slide compared to the 9mm slide. The rentals of 9mm 1911 pistol have slowed down when the .45 came on line but they still go out on shows when a Propmaster wants to limit the amount of different blanks on set. Hope this helps some it will be hard to decipher pistol types unless you study the photos closely. --[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 23:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

The machine pistol used on [[Public Enemies]] was originally a 38 Super converted to 9mm. It's a funny thing with those machine pistols that the original ones built for Dillinger in the 30's were 38 super. I have seen Barstow barrels in 9mm plugged and modified for blanks in Stembridge parts bin so that gives some credence to converting 38 Supers to 9mm blank. Also Stembridge had great connections at Colt and they would build custom pistol in 9mm for Stembridge. The pistols used in Cobra were 38 Super National Match made in 9mm by Colt for Stembridge.--[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 04:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

:That photo from [[Cobra]] is nice as it shows the ejection port. Colt made that pistol in 45 ACP and 38 Super only but they did build it special order in 9mm for Stembridge according to Syd Stembridge. The firearms companies do a lot of special builds if the time allows for it. Ellis Mercantile had new S&W Highway Patrolman revolvers built by Smith & Wesson for [[A Perfect World]]. They sent S&W an original from inventory and then S&W built them almost exactly like the sample. --[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 17:14, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::This is really great information! Thanks so much, Steve! Hey Predator, should we add this summary (or something like it) to the page? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

::Sounds good! Only thing is, don't use any personal pronouns ("you"). I gotta run, but I'll discuss further in a bit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:I had a 38 Super National Match with Elison rear sight in 1981 that came back from Mexico. The pistol came from a batch of guns imported by Odin International. As for the [[Cobra]] pistols Colt built them special in 9mm for Stembridge. That would be easy for Colt to do as the just run a couple of unfinished National Match slides though the 9mm machine operations for the firing pin hole, Extractor Hole, Ejector Slot and Breach Face. It is a lot easier for the manufacturer to do those for us than trying to do it in house. We also have Glocks that are marked Glock 23 but are in 9mm blank again it another special build by Glock for one of the armories. You are correct on Clint's revolver in [[A Perfect World]] as a Model 19. But they ordered the Model 28's for the show I am not sure who used them in the show just knew they were ordered and they went out on the show.--[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 17:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:: On the Glock 23 in 9mm some scripts call specifically for the Glock 23 since that is what the FBI use at this time. But to make things easier for the armorer or propmaster we had them made in 9mm instead of 40 cal. There are 40 cal Glocks in other armories as I have used them on some films but it would have been easier if it was 9mm as we had other 9mm pistols on the show. No problem on using what I told you about 45 blanks and I can get more info to fill it out for you. I will be talking to the guys about a new category for IMFDB on studios and armories of the past that should include a page on motion picture blanks. It depends on what the conversion was on the revolver. I have seen several from back in the early days with the cylinder bored or shaved for 5 in 1 blanks. Also we have some revolvers the have the barrels plugged and ported in different directions for close up use. It's very rare now a days for a revolver to be modified due to caliber as we have access to almost all calibers of brass. But we do still modify the barrels for the close in shots but usually on a spare barrel. The industry looks at it's guns as just props to assist in make a film so we due think that would make collectors cry like the 1st gen Colt Single Action with the bent barrel in the movie [[Unforgiven]]. The gunsmith was told to use one of the single actions on the rack so he did what was told. --[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 17:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Hi could you tell me how to delete pages thanks.

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Ok thanks the the info.

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Hi just one question is it possible to put a block on a page so that only the creator of that page can edit it. or some way to that people can only edit with creators permission?.

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Hi, I looked on one of my pages I created [[Doghouse]] also with [[Phoenix Nights]] and it says that the page is incomplete but it is there is only one gun used in it so should I just get rid of the ?.

== J.C. Higgins Shotguns ==

How about we rename the page "J.C. Higgins Shotgun Series"? I think that would work. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:05, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

:: Sure thing. That would simplify things. I finally discovered the identity of the Model 21 because I bought the 1965 edition of ''Gun Digest'' at a used bookstore today. Mainly because I thought it might help with identifying older more obscure firearms (which it did) plus I like reading old gun articles from the past forty-seventy years. You'd be suprised how much info they have in them - even in 2010. Plus the old writers weren't so focused on everything being high tech and uber tactical. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:10, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::The 65 edition I picked up has several interesting articles. One is about the brand new 41 magnum. Another is about the endof the M14 and looks at the possible replacements to include the AR-15 and finally an article about the changes introduced by Winchester to the Model 70. The crazy thing is the writer approved of the changes! Boy if he been able to see into the future and the big stink that people would make about Pre-64 vs. Post 64 Model 70's. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Hi just needed to ask recently I have seen annoying advertisements on the right and left side of this website trying to sell things is it possible for them to be disabled.
Thank you for listening to me hope to hear from you soon.

== RE: From Dusk Till Dawn ==

This is becoming a habit ;) How do you like the new shots? I'm gonna update the whole page with some better caps of all the shotguns too... And damn, couldn't have imagined that Tarantino's 1911 was a china-copy. I could have sworn it was a Springfield. Oh, well... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 00:08, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:: Ok, thanks. Hmm, funny coincidence with Tarantino and the 1911. One can't help but wonder if it's a conscious choice... Anyways, back here in Finland, it's like UK or New York for us "gun-nuts". Not a lot of people do ,for example, gun-related sports (well, other than hunting I guess) in here, especially young people. It's a tough nut getting a firearm. And if you are into guns/or have a gun (other than basic hunting rifles/shotguns) people thinks you're nuts :D (I had a point here somewhere, I think...) Anyways, when there's not a lot of people into guns, there ain't a lot of guns either. So if you wanna have a 1911 -type pistol, Norinco is the most easily acquirable, and more importantly, cheap. And I've heard a lot of people bad-mouthing the piece. As for myself, I don't like to judge anything if I haven't tried it myself. (<-applies for guns, not people :P) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 00:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:::: Yeah, we don't got a lot to choose from. I mean when you walk into a gun store in Finland... hmm, I don't think we even have other than a few gun shops in the whole country! Well, when you walk into a gun shop, or a hunting store, you got dozens of shotguns (O/U, pump-action, you name it), hunting rifles (Lot's of Finnish Sakos and Tikkas, then lots of others), and your .22s. I mean every place you go you have dozens of .22s, some basic every-guy-knows-them-guns (92FS, P226, etc.), and only a few others. I mean of course they can get them, but they're more... "special". If you ask for e.g. a Springfield 1911 TRP, they're gonna have to import it from somewhere. I've heard some people get the Norinco, and use it as a basis for something they wanna build. In here Norinco's are about 400€, give or take. Less if they're used. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 01:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

== P226 pic ==

Thanks for pointing that out about the pic. I've notified the user. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 13:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== RE: PNGs ==
Shit I forgot. Been away too long. Thanks for the reminder. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

==RE:==

Huh? That's odd...it looks centered to me. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

:I'm a little confused. Here's what the alphabet list at the top looks like for me:

:[[Image:Alpha-centered.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Is that what you're referring to? Also, I haven't emailed/Gchated Chris yet, should I? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:24, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

::Yeah, I usually see the ads, but sometimes, they don't load properly and then I don't. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Done, good suggestion. Ads are gone, although the menu is still on the left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

== Hi, delete request ==

Hi.I heard you were an admin. I did a little upgradin' on the [[Ninja Assassin]] page. I upgraded some pictures, and I took out some of the crappier ones. Could you possibly delete these, please?--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

[[Media:NA-MP002M-3.jpg]]

[[Media:NA-G36opticsight.jpg]]

::::Okay, gotcha. Thanks. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

==RE: AK==

First of all, I just viewed the auction, and it says someone bought it. Are you that someone? If not, this discussion is (sadly) moot.

Second, yes, $1K for a PT Legend is a really good deal. I paid about $950 for mine (in 2004), but mine is a stamped receiver, not milled. Milled receiver AKs are always more expensive. However, I'm personally a lot more partial to stamped; they're lighter and feel a lot less...antique, I guess.

As far as other brands: Norincos are pretty good, but their fit and finish isn't as good as PTs. In the 1980s, they were considered the bargain-price "no frills" AKs (they often sold for $300, which is crazy considering what they cost today). They're also built to almost the same specs as the PLA-issue Type 56 rifles, so if you want something identical to what Hamas militants or Iranian Revolutionary Guards carry, the Norincos are cheaper and closer to mil-spec.

Hungarians are my second-favorite after the PTs. I've handled an SA85M and it was quite possibly the most beautiful AK I've ever seen. Unfortunately, the FFL wanted $2,500 for it, and from what I've seen, it's hard to find one for under $2K because only about 7,000 were imported to this country before Bush, Sr. banned them in 1989. Right now, there are some manufacturers who are building SA85Ms by taking Hungarian parts kits and putting them on American-made receivers; I haven't seen one firsthand, but I would be suspicious of anything made in this country. American companies are never going to be as good at making AKs as their counterparts in Eastern Europe or East Asia, IMO.

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

:Sorry, I phrased that poorly. My gun isn't a Legend (Legends are milled receivers only). Mine says "AK47S" on the side of the receiver, and it was imported by Golden State Arms, which was one of Poly Tech's front companies in California. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

==Re: I'm Gonna Git You Sucka==

This time I mentioned that it's a Type 56-1 with an AKM-style muzzle break. Hopefully, that'll clear things up. Also, at some point, I gotta talk to Ben about his IDs - he gets stuff wrong all the time (usually minor things, though, like specific Glock variants/generations). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== Archer page ==

I agree that the weapons are drawn well enough to be identified. I wouldn't have any trouble with it, but it may be better to run it by the other mods and then probably a disclaimer should be put at the top of its page to explain why this page is okay. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Stargate SG-1 ==

I just started with Season 10, so I am not really done with the page yet. In the meantime you could put splitting the page up for vote. See if people think it's a good idea or not. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 07:31, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

: I was wondering who will split the page up. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 12:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

:: I am already putting the Seasons into separate .txt files (anything else and the formatting goes haywire). I have 1 through 6 done. Until I am done with that I will keep on adding screenshots to the SG-1 talkpage. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

:: Done. I apologize for not warning anyone beforehand. The pages probably need a lot of fixing. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:48, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

== Splitting Up by Season ==

It would be nice to split those shows by season, but I've found that both those shows as well as NCIS are pretty much the same each season so there would be a lot of overlap of weapons used. [[24]] was different because each season was pretty much a different story. [[Miami Vice]] had a lot of different weapons each season. Splitting Burn Notice and The Unit would mean having to go back and examine each episode of each season to reexamine which weapons went with each season. In other words, I would vote not to split. (Stargate's another matter). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

== Black Hawk Down pics ==

Just wondering why you wrote over my pics for Black Hawk. Mine are from the Blu-ray. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be more careful next time. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

==Deleting files==
How do I delete a file if I upload the wrong one?
Not trying to be a pain but I'm still new to your site.
Thanks- Peejn8r

== Zombie killer 1995 ==
Hi I was wondering if you could confirm for me what the name of the pistol is.
Is it a M1911A1 or a Beretta 9000?
[[Image:l copy.jpg|500px|thumb|none]]
[[Image:l copy2.jpg|500px|thumb|none]]

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Do you know the name of the pistols is it a Colt Officer's ACP but in black and i dont no why i coverd their faces
thanks for the help I thinks its a Colt Officer's ACP

==images==
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. BTW, you're doing an EXCELLENT job as mod. I see you kicking ass and taking names when it comes to banning spammers and keeping error prone 'drive by anonymous members' in check. I'm taking a break from photos for iMFDB. the problem is that members LOVE the pics, but too many members feel that I'm being some sort of jerk in trying to protect the images from piracy by other websites. IP (intellectual property) seems to be a foreign concept to most of the membership on IMFDB. We're legal on the screencaps, I know that much. But I put a ton of work into gun images and recently some of the arguements (on and OFF the forums/discussion pages) have left a bad taste in my mouth. So officially I'm on strike for now. No more pics. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:44, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia template ==

I wanted to see how it would look on the main page first and just waiting for an okay from some of the other mods before putting it up for a longer trial period. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== RE: Killshot 1911s ==

Holy crap, I think you're right! When I saw the film the first time, I spotted the gun as a Series 80, peace of cake. I didn't care to think anymore, since I had already recognized it. I couldn't have even thought it to be not only 2, but maybe 3 different guns.
The second screencap looks like an M1911A1, as you already noticed. The third might as well be a Norinco, I mean they even used plastic shotguns for some scenes. I'll have to watch the film again to see if it changes even more. Thanks for spotting that, I appreciate it :) And thanks for the compliments --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 00:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Re: Killshot ==

Now that you mentioned, the Smith looks like a possible alternative. Btw, the film was full of continuity errors and such. A real nightmare. It didn't help production that they had to cut and re-shoot the movie several times.

But about the shotgun, I'ma wing it and say that it is a Winchester Model 1300, even though I don't know if they make it with a full synthetic stock with a regular mag tube. But the foregrip reminds me of the 1300 Defender...
[[Image:WinchesterModel1300Def.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[Image:KS870_4.jpg|none|thumb|600px|]]
--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

== P I Staker ==

OH...I get it. Piss Taker...Thanks [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==RE:==

I think you're correct, good catch! Still wish we could ID the other shotgun, though (the one with the long tube).

Also, as far as the Type 56 section goes: I think it's fine to add a note that they were originally made with milled receivers. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 08:06, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

:Yeah, I think it's a Hatsan. Also, I don't know if the tube is unsupported; I think it's just that the connector blends with the suit of the agent in the background. Also, I'm pretty sure that same shotgun appears later in the movie, and it definitely doesn't have an unsupported tube. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 08:23, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== Recreated ==

Hi. I have recreated a page for a game which was once deleted (don't know the reason...). Could you please take a look at this page: [[Condemned: Criminal Origins]]. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:00, 19 March 2011 (CDT)

== Bruni 92 ==

== Bruni 92 ==

Hi there, since you're the registered user for the Beretta 92 page, could you please add the below table for the Bruni 92? I coded already for you so it's probably a matter of cut-and-paste.

===Films===
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size: 95%;" border="1" style="border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%"
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="280"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="170"|'''Actor'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="250"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="50"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[Razor Blade Smile]]|| [[Eileen Daly]] || Lilith Silver || || 1998
|-
| [[Razor Blade Smile]]|| [[Christopher Adamson]] || Sir Sethane Blake || || 1998

|-
|}

Also, I found a good quality image of the Bruni 92 ([[Media:Bruni_92.jpg]]) that you may want to include, currently there's none.--[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 10:32, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Thanks for trying. I literally just took the image again (played the movie) and re-uploaded, and still no go. I think the file itself is just going to need to be deleted. I have no idea what could possibly be causing this error. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:39, 7 April 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, I saw! It's good that we have him on here, too. I figured those weird AKs were modified R5s, but it's nice to have confirmation. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:35, 12 April 2011 (CDT)

== RE: Dark Blue ==

Thanks, I think the page is coming along great, too. Oh, and I did some re-organizing on the handguns, as you adviced, so that the main characters' pieces are the first ones you see on the page. I also put the unknown 1911 on the colt government section. Check it out, now it looks even better ;)

I'm also planning on screencapping the second season in the upcoming weeks, as soon as I'm done with the first season and a couple of other projects I'm planning. Cheers, mate --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 02:30, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

== Just to point out since I can't post on the forums (don't have permission): ==

Burt's argument is basically that "RPG" is not the correct term to use to describe an RPG; I've shown him links to BAE Systems and the US Army using the term to describe a class of weapons, but he insists they're incorrect as if he's somehow in a position to overrule experts in the defence industry and the military on what the correct term is. This is why he wants to remove "RPG" from all mentions of the Type 69; he thinks it can only be applied to the RPG-X series of weapons, not to RPG weapons in general or their warheads. Given he's seemingly immune to logic, fixated on "correcting" things that aren't wrong, [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=BurtReynoldsMoustache&page=&year=&month=-1 doesn't contribute anything of merit] and edits the same articles in the same way, I'm fairly sure he's actually good old PersonOfInterest; this probably explains why he's trying to describe me as a "troublemaker" (I haven't caused anything resembling trouble in years, last I checked; "good contributor" is probably a better label) since I disagreed with him before. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:48, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

*Further to that, here's something fun: PersonOfInterest's last activity is [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest 26th August 2010]. He made a new account and came back (and got banned again) just under a month later on [http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PersonOfInterest2 September 28th]. [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&target=BurtReynoldsMoustache Burt's first edit is a month and four days later] and he's soon back to editing Goldeneye and the N64 The World Is Not Enough, which were POI's weird little obsessions. He also has that POI quirk of often taking two tries to sign talk page edits, if he bothers to sign them at all (look for places where he edits a talk page twice in a row, including his first two edits). Interesting, huh? Another little thing: [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:007:_The_World_Is_Not_Enough&diff=prev&oldid=363154 the user who posted the top comment was PersonOfInterest]. How come "both" of them think this is the right way to say things on a talk page? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:49, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

**Well, people seem to be seeing through his rather ridiculous attempts at character assassination on the forums (yeah, I'm a disruptive user, damn me for posting over a hundred screencaps in the last five days while he's never posted a single one ever). It's basically common sense: if the experts say something and a random person on the internet says something else, the experts are going to be the ones in the right. Anyway, I've copy-pasted the POI stuff to MT2008, so we'll see what he makes of it. Any idea why I can't post on the forums? I registered a new account name (Evil Tim) since I can't get a password reminder for "Vangelis," but that says I don't have permission to post. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:20, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

***Yeah, it's my Hotmail account, though I was cleared for forums on my other account (Gmail) just fine. One of those things, I guess. Anyway, time for me to hit the hay. Have a good one. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 10:56, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

*Hey, I realise this is kinda dead, but while looking through the abbreviation list I noticed something: Burt said of RPG "we don't use that term on this site." [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_gun_abbreviations&action=historysubmit&diff=294935&oldid=289165 Guess who decided that]? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:50, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

==RE: Feast==

Now that you mentioned it, it seem like the shotgun used in [[Feast]] definitely changes during the film. The trigger guard looks like it's from a Winchester, but the pins resemble Remington. Damn, I guess I'm gonna have to watch it again, to get a good look at it. It's been a couple of years since I saw the film, and just recently I upgraded the pics used on the page to .jpgs. It was one of my first pages, so I wasn't familiar with how the site works, and I initially uploaded them as .pngs. The .pngs are still here somewhere, I couldn't write them over with my .jpegs. I guess they can still be deleted, though? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 14:24, 19 April 2011 (CDT)

Hmm. Time to put Google to use ;) I'll see what I can dig up. Oh and I got you the .pngs, so you only have to delete them:

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_12gauge.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_12gauge2.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_12gauge3.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_paintinggun.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_colt.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_colt2.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_colt3.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_colt3.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_saa.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast_saa2.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast870.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast870_2.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast870_3.png

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:Feast870_4.png

::::Hi, Predator. Long time, no see. Sorry that I'm only now contacting you about the Feast shotgun thing, but to be completely honest; I forgot. I was incredibly busy with work and school and such just the other day, but I just quit my job so now I have time for imfdb :). About the shotgun, I still dont't know what it could be. I tried to do a little Googling but I found nothing enlighting. My dad said that he had subscribed to a Finnish gun magazine when he was younger. So I went to my father's attic and found a stack of old Finnish gun magazines. One of them had a big shotgun comparison article. Still nothing, altough the article itself was very interesting. Coulde the shotgun in the film be like a chinese copy of the 870? Oh and I found a couple of screenshots I hadn't used for the page, I think I'll upload some of them to get some better images. Ps. Forgive me if I sound ditzy, I haven't slept for 27 hours... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:41, 16 June 2011 (CDT)

== Everybody hates chris ==

MPM had deleted this page and I had restored it for exactly the same reason you restored it, but I was left a message to keep it deleted. Just letting you know. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:11, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

==Xm21 file==
Predator could you completely delete the file as the file I'm trying to upload is the black and white file. It seems that whenever i try to upload the new file it apears to me as a coruption of POI's file wich is a missidentification of the weapon. by deleting all of the versions i can upload a fresh image without anything going wrong with the upload hopefully.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 22:19, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

== Righteous Kill ==

Thanks for the corrections on [[Righteous Kill]], I'm doing them now. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:26, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Can we get RPG-7 unlocked now? ==

Orca's left the page locked as admin editing only, which seems a little counter-productive since it's a very common weapon and nobody can currently add examples to it's page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:51, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Spaceart ==

I thought the consensus was that they were basically spam and bunni's take on it was "The outbound links need to be removed and the images (he) uploaded need to be off the main pages and on the discussion pages unless they are actual screen used props." I noticed they'd been removed from almost all the articles they were posted on, so just got rid of the rest since none of them were in the right place anyway (all above the main weapon image). Was that not right? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:48, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
:Well, the way I read it was that MPM was the only one for using the images and he changed his mind when bunni said it was spam. I'll move them to the talk pages right now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:10, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Thank you ==

That was starting to get irritating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:01, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

: Yeah, that'd be good. Could you also do that for [[Black]] and [[Homefront]] since they're both basically finished? They're more likely to be vandalised by anons than added to now. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:14, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
???? Will that help in any way, and what will that do.--[[User:Zombie Killer 1995|Zombie Killer 1995]] 09:15, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

Ok then do what you can to protect my page please.

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
Hi I need some advise on which scope is better.
[[Image:H&KSG1.jpg‎ |thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3SG/1 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington Model 700 (1970s Production) .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:Remington-Model-700-BDL 308.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope (current production) - .308 Winchester]]
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]

== RE: Tec 9 ==

Hi friend, I replied to your comment on that movie which is apparantly so insulting it needs a special disclaimer. I'd like to know if I can edit the page still, and if the people running this site (I guess this includes you, as an admin) share the views and biases which enabled such a disclaimer to be put on that page.
Peace [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 12:54, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry to interject on your talk page, Predator20 :) but I must reply to TEC 9.
:::Dear mister Tec-9, quoted below is one of your comments: '''''"If the people who run this place feel that is an offense or breach to the rules of this wiki, then I'd be happy for them to ban me. It just proves this wiki is run by ignorant red-neck gun-lovers who lack the open-mindedness and moderateness to question the actions of their service members. "''''' You IMMEDIATELY cop an attitude and insult the people on this site. If our biases are so egregious, you Mister Tec-9 are welcome to go elsewhere. The Mods of IMFDB have banned tons of guys who violate the rules. Having a foul attitude or elitist demeanor is not one of them. Don't parade your self important "I am non biased" BS and try to make changes that are inappropriate. Your comments already belie a pre-existing bias. You have a bias against gun "lovers", 'rednecks' and "Americans" or you wouldn't use the terms as an insult. You obviously don't care that unlike [[Casualties of War]]. the film [[Redacted]] came out in the middle of a conflict, stoking the fires of Anti-American hatred, giving a huge propaganda boot to the enemy, stoking anger and hatred when our men and women are out there risking their lives to fight terrorism. This arrogant insulting tome usually manifests itself when we encounter European or Foreign based IMFDB members. Now I don't know where you hail from, but your attitude immediately rubbed me the wrong way. :) best regards MPM2008
'''MPM2008:''' I replied to your points on the discussion page of that movie, and for all intents and purposes, I take back my use of the term 'Redneck'. I wont ruin Predator20's page, in writing my arguememt against your statement, so please check out that page. And I'd just like to add that they are not fighting terrorism - you used to be able to enjoy a nice cold beer an a bellydance at a decent hang-out in Baghdad before, now alcohol is banned and the government in Iraq is run by the Ayatollah Islamist scumbags in Iran, with Persians and terrorists crawling out of the woodwork everywhere. US soldiers have caused more suffering to innocent Iraqis than terrorists. Also, please feel free to reply back on my Wiki page for further discussion.
Take care. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 07:40, 4 June 2011 (CDT)

'''Predator20:''' Thanks again for the reply. I do completely agree, that the term "The members" should probably be changed to "Some members". However, a IMFDB lacks a comprehensive framework of just how many members need to be express insult at any particular film for it to have a disclaimer. Also, even if we say 'X-number of members need to express insult for a disclaimer', this will be open for abuse by people who'll herd in loads of new members just to get that disclaimer. And finally, IMFDB is a wiki to document movies - it should have no place for opinions - no matter how burning some members feel they are. This will keep it's credibility as an unbiased source for everyone as opposed to a politicied forum. Members can also always join the plethora of Right-Wing/Conservative NRA-type forums out there to express such opinions. I feel this is the first step of a very slippery slope in the politicisation of this place.
Peace bro. [[User:Tec-9|Tec-9]] 07:41, 4 June 2011 (CDT)

==RE: .38 Supers==
Yeah, I remember that talk with Steve as well. I can't remember for sure, but I think the gun from Public Enemies was a 9mm from the start (I've looked over the image of it though and can't tell). But he said that there are currently no registered .38 Super blank guns in Hollywood armories. Since someone on the Desperado page claimed the 1911 looked like a .38 Super, I corrected it because if today .38 Super blank guns are unheard of, it's highly improbable that one was used in a low-budget film from 1994. The only chance is if they were being supplied by an armorer in Mexico while filming there, since .38 Super is the largest military caliber permitted, giving it a higher chance of being used in place of a .45. Like you said though, it's very likely a 9mm Series 80, and not a Colt Super .38. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:I stand corrected. I misremembered what he said I guess. Matt sent me the picture as well, it didn't click with me that the pre-series 70s weren't sold in 9mm. My bad. >.< - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Re: The Big Bang ==

Thanks for the compliments. I just re-uploaded your screencap. Oh, and thanks for reminding me about the opening credits sequence. I remember that I first thought the gun was a series 70/series 80 as I had seen one in the film, but couldn't remember where. It was driving me nuts, so I just wrote it off as an M1911A1, hoping that someone would correct me, lol :). --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:03, 16 July 2011 (CDT)

==Improper Gun Image==

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/File:M1911.jpg

Isn't there a rule about posting gun images of the firearms in-hand and using them on pages? Like it's not even allowed? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:06, 16 July 2011 (CDT)

:: Didn't know it was actually a screenshot, and not just a gun image, that's fine. Still not correct to use it as a gun image though (Ben's since changed it on that MoH page so it's fine now). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:43, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

==Censoring issue with a member==

[[Special:Contributions/Yodawg|Yodawg]]

This guy has done random censors (by using asterisks in the word) on a few pages now and frankly, I've become annoyed. User Evil Tim and myself talked to Ben41 about it but he did it again and I'm now wondering if's he purposely doing it solely to annoy users like myself. The rules state to keep swears to a minimum, not to censor them entirely, and also it relates to user comments and article descriptions, not movie quotes. I could be incorrect but that's simply how I interpret it. I've left him a message on his talk page and Ben's but I wanted to bring this to the attention of other Admins as well, because I'm seriously starting to consider it a problem. I've posted this to you and JCordell so far (in addition to Ben) but I think I'll stop and let you guys go from here. I really don't like even bothering multiple people like this but this seriously rubbed me the wrong way. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:21, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

:: That's a good point, and I appreciate the reply. Frankly, I've always found censors to be silly, especially in regard to sites like this one (We're a site about guns, things that hurt and kill other living beings, and somebody's offended by a 'fuck' here and there?), but that's another matter. Point is, I'm not the one forcing the issue, this guy is, and I really feel he's not forcing an issue so much as being a annoying semi-vandal under the guise of eliminating bad words. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:51, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

==Wacko Watch strikes back==

[[Special:Contributions/Daitravdyazen]] I believe the specific offense would be 'spamming links to external sites'. Of course you may not get em but hopefully somebody does soon.. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:51, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

: No prob, man. I actually had a little fun vandalizing him back.. I know I shouldn't have done it but.. bah. ;b [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:02, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

:: EDIT - On a secondary note, since it seems the whole site is going that way (though it doesn;t seem to help that much), mind protecting my user and talk pages? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 15:03, 18 July 2011 (CDT) EDIT AGAIN - Thanks much.

==RE:==

I don't really care if that comment is removed. I only included it as a concession to all of the people who disagreed and insisted the gun might be a G23. Since that debate is long over, the comment can go. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:23, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

== Vandalous newcomer in Battlefield 3 page ==

Hello.

I need to report a newcomer: [[Special:Contributions/Lukewilliams010]] in Battlefield 3 page whose actions are of vandalous nature. He posts leaked (not official) material, keeping referring to it as the other way round, and swears on everyone who mentions this to him, particularly: [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_3&diff=prev&oldid=444768] [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_3&diff=prev&oldid=450770] [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_3&diff=prev&oldid=450861] [http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battlefield_3&diff=prev&oldid=451130]. And he doesn't sign his posts seemingly in attempt to hide his identity (which is of course impossible thanks to "View history" feature. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 16:40, 24 August 2011 (CDT)

: Thanks.

: Which currently present admin would you suggest to message about video game issue next time? I've tried to message Gunmaster45 a couple of days before but he seems to be absent. --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 14:53, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

::Understood and appreciated --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:30, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

== Remington 870 ==

Sorry, I had found the image on the Rem 870 discussion page and didn't know it was from your page (that's why I made a new image and didn't overwrite the original). If you're photographing them again, it would be great if you could photograph both sides. Thanks! --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:34, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

Yeah, your 870 is the only one on the site with wood furniture and the extended mag tube. I can do the "white out" part if you want and I'll make sure to give you the proper credit for taking the picture. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 16:47, 25 August 2011 (CDT)

== Variations of guns missing in overview ==

Sorry to bother but there's a thing I hope you can help me out with.

A few months ago you were kind enough to add the Bruni 92 to the Beretta 92 page. Do you have any idea why this particular gun (and e.g. the Springfield Armory Omega which I added on the M1911A1 page yesterday), don't show up in overviews when you type their names? For instance, when I choose the search function on the left side of the screen, and go to 'B' for bruni, then there's no trace of the Bruni 92.

Aren't variations of guns like e.g. Beretta 92 and Colt M1911A1 supposed to show up in the search function and does one need to scroll down from the 'mother' model? In any way, look forward to have your opinion on this. Thanks a lot --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 06:20, 27 August 2011 (CDT)

Thanks a lot for your comment on how to make redirects, works like crazy! Even though I have only created 3 movie pages, I like this site to be as complete as possible and I'd hate certain guns to be missing from the general overview. Also increases the risk that people create duplicate pages.

By the way, I checked your personal gunpage; WOW! My favourite is the Hi-Power with the Captains' rear sight, awesome! --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 11:39, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks ==

Whew, I was wondering when one of you was going to jump in. Have fun deleting. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:42, 2 September 2011 (CDT)

== Nazi Fishwife ==

Hey Predator, thanks for getting rid of Nazi fishwife. I've been watching him for the past week now, and I sent him a message telling him to stop with his language and insults. I was hoping to get a response from him, but by his edits, he was just another troll, and I was probably going to block him eventually myself. Thanks, you do your job well.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 13:29, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

== Deleting a movie page ==

I was hoping you'd be able to tell me how to delete a movie page. Reason is I created a page for [[Leningrad]] but after I created the page, I noticed that the correct title should be [[Leningrad (Attack on)]]. I copied all the coding to a newly created page for the correct title, but the empty page [[Leningrad]] still remains. Thanks if you can spare me a few minutes to let me know how I can correct this, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 09:16, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

MoviePropMaster2008 has already picked up this matter. I am in contact with him about this, but thanks anyway for your response, --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 05:05, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

== kasxjamil58 ==

"Jamil" and that spammer's already gone by "Jamal" before. And his first edit is impersonating an admin... [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 16:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

== JD0556 ==

Hey Predator20, that vandal that's been abusing all those accounts came back under the username: JD0556, I think I may have talked some sense into him this time, so he might have stopped for good, but do you think you can't keep an eye on incase he does whenever I'm not around?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:55, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

Thanks---[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 13:54, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

==Cut down Ted Williams==
I have access to four (4) cut down Ted Williams Model 21 shotguns. If you want, I can check and see if there is a model that matches the look of the others, just let me know which films you want me to look at. I just grabbed one because of time constraints. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:48, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

== A little help... ==

Hello again. I just screencapped the page ''[[Hannibal Rising]]'', and there's a [[Hannibal_Rising#Unknown_Heavy_Machine_Gun|heavy machine gun]] I do not recognize. At first I thought it was a [[DShK]], but then again I'm not sure. Do you perhaps know what it is? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 08:44, 12 September 2011 (CDT)
::Nevermind, it seems that someone already ID'd it. But thanks for the suggestion, that's what I'd have gone if someone hadn't recognized it --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 12:49, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== WTF? ==

I wanted to add tens of download links (none not tested by myself and virus free), thought to try only a few times since I wasn't sure if it was allowed, why was I accused of "spamming" and IP banned?

== RE: a request ==

Here you go:

[[Image:ThePunisherTedWilliamsFront.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The best shot of the front of the barrel.]]

That is the clearest shot of the front of the barrel, even though a bit shaky.

ps. Does this have something to do with the conversation on MPM's talk page? ;) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:11, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

::Ooh, sweet :P --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:21, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

==Cut down Ted Williams==
Crap. Just my luck. I'm presented with FOUR cut down Model 21s. I grab the one with the flush cut because at the time I think that's what IMFDB needs. I distinctly remember other shotguns with slightly longer barrels. Just great... :( Oh well. Let's call that a place holder until I get get a pic of the right gun! LOL. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:51, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== Featured Article ==

That is weird. Not sure why it throws a blank one. If we keep adding movies I think it's less likely to throw a blank one... I'll have to check out the documentation to see why that happens. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 14:31, 13 September 2011 (CDT)

:Hi Predator20! Delete the last <nowiki>"@@@"</nowiki> (right above the very last <nowiki>"<random>"</nowiki>) and it will not show the blank page anymore. Now it thinks that there is an empty page after Heat, and puts that blank page to the rotation too. (I would do it but the page is locked.) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:10, 13 September 2011 (CDT)

== Cbeattie ==

Well, he's back. And straight back to his old hobby of harassing Mr. Wolf over that "terror scoped rifle" he seems utterly obsessed with. Could you ban him again? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:37, 20 September 2011 (CDT)
:Take a look at [[Special:Contributions/Cbeattie]] or at [[User_talk:Mr._Wolf#Terror_Scoped_rifle_from_The_Saboteur]]. This kid ''constantly'' posts on this damn thing, just randomly trying to guess what this one fictional rifle in [[The Saboteur]] is. He's been warned by Alienqueen11 to knock it off ([[User_talk:Cbeattie#Hey]]) but the first thing he did when his ban expired was go straigh back to harassing the same user over the same issue; Mr. Wolf has ''repeatedly'' told him he's never played the game and doesn't care for this discussion. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 11:48, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

Please tell me what is wrong with proving that the terror scoped rifle is real whitich it is util somebody can prove it is not real then the fact will not change. ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:32, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

If it stays the ZH-29 then a will not edit it but if someone gets rid of that then i will Edit and they should get blocked for getting rid of false info. ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:22, 21 September 2011 (CDT))

What have you done i am going to complain to the bosses of this about this outrage :( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 10:00, 21 September 2011 (CDT))

The Saboteur

2011-09-21T11:10:05Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror scoped rifle */

''The Saboteur'' is a 2009 action-adventure developed by the now closed Pandemic Studios, published by Electronic Arts, about an Irish race driver turned saboteur who tries to avenge the death of his best friend in Nazi-occupied France by killing the man responsible, demolishing as much of the Third Reich's hardware as possible in the process.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''The Saboteur'':'''

[[Image:Saboteur - CoverArt.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Saboteur'' (2009)]]
__TOC__ 

= Handguns =

== Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model ==

The [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith & Wesson 2ND Model|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model]] appears as the ".44 Pistol", but it has an unsupported ejector rod. Strangely it uses the same ammo as both the Kruger and the Raum pistols. It is a 1 hit kill weapon. Sean calls it a "Yankee Hand Cannon" and states that "One shot will turn the Krauts insides into Shepherd's pie. But watch out. She's a bitch to reload." Another oddity is that it has a target front sight and a fixed rear sight.

[[Image:HE2ndTarget.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model, Target Configuration - .44 S&W Special]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ".44 Pistol" ingame. Note the inventory depicts a stainless steel version. Note the S&W trigger guard on the icon version.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht officer contemplates committing suicide in "Angel of Death", Act II, the .44 revolver in hand.]]

== Beretta M1934 ==

A Beretta Model 1934 is shown on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade that can be bought at gunshops.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the left.]]

== Luger P08 ==

The [[Luger P08]] appears as the "Kruger pistol". Uses pistol ammo. Dierker, the main villain, uses a modified version called the "Executioner pistol". It has a brass-knuckles-like finger guard, a knife attached to the base plate of the magazine and fires fully automatic; it's Dierker's weapon of choice and can be obtained by killing him, or be bought from any Weapons Dealer after the game is finished. It, too, uses pistol ammo and is able to take out pretty much any human enemy in one shot.

[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dierker holds his modified [[Luger P08]] during Act I, "The Darkest Night".]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean struggles with a fake Dr. Kessler in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean steps between Skylar and her intended victim at the beginning of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Mauser M712 ==

Appears as the "Raum pistol". Uses pistol ammo, explained by it being a Red 9 (9mm version), though that is never mentioned.
It's actually a [[Mauser C96#Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer|Mauser M712]], the select fire version of the C96, evident by the detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - C96.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser M712 ingame.]]

== Walther PPK ==

The [[Walther PPK]] appears as the "Silenced pistol". The suppressor and the weapon description stating that this weapon was popular among British spies is obviously a reference to James Bond. Uses silenced pistol ammo.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK fitted with a sound suppressor - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Suppressed Walther PPK ingame.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Also seen on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the right.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MP40 ==

Appears as the [[MP40]]. Both the Resistance and the German military uses it. Sean says it "is as common as hookers in Paris, and seen about as much action", which is somewhat inaccurate in real life.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

A hybrid [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] appears as the "Tommy-MG". Mostly found in supply crates and used by high level Résistance members. It looks like a M1A1, but fitted with a 50 round drum which the M1A1 was not designed to accept.

[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Thompson Submachine Gun ingame.]]

== Sten Mk. 2 ==

Silenced [[Sten]] Mk. 2. Appears as the "Viper SMG". Uses silenced machine gun ammo.

[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II fitted with silencer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Sten.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A female Résistance member holds a Sten Mk II in the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

= Rifles =

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==

The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] appears as the "MP44 MG". Shares the ammo with the MP40 and the Tommy gun, which is definitely unrealistic. The first appearance in the game took place during the Battle of France in 1940, a full 2 years before it was widely distributed to German troops.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:MP44Saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean fires the [[Sturmgewehr 44]] in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]

[[Image:MP44saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean takes cover, Stg 44 in hand.]]

== Gewehr 98==
The [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Gewehr 98]] appears as the "Steiner Rifle" (a possibly nod to [[Cross of Iron]], as the protagionist was named Steiner). It uses rifle ammo. A scoped version also appears, which uses sniper ammo. Both versions are semi-auto in-game

[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle" scoped]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle"]]

== Henry-Martini.22 ==

Appears as the "Hunting rifle". Uses rifle ammo.

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vernoique aims the "Hunting Rifle" in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Hunting Rifle".]]

== Mauser Karabiner 98K ==

The [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98K]] appears as the "Carbine" (which is inaccurate since it's rifle). A scoped version is available. The normal (unscoped) version uses rifle ammo, the scoped version uses sniper rifle ammo.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar982.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Karabiner K98k ingame.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k with scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean Devlin holds a scoped Mauser K98k.]]

== Terror scoped rifle ==

A semi-automatic sniper rifle that fires 5 gauge shotgun ammo. Despite labelled as a "Terror" weapon, it is never actually used by Terror troops. Uses Terror rifle ammo.

Resembles a ZH-37 rifle.

== Terror MP60 ==

Fictional automatic weapons used by the "Terror troops", German elite soldiers. Despite being labelled as an "MP" (Maschinenpistole/Submachine gun), it rather resembles a light machine gun. Uses Terror MG ammo. It heavily resembles the [[AA-12]] full-auto shotgun.
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During "Boiling Point", Act II, Devlin holds the MP60.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Terror Trooper holds the MP60 in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

= Shotguns =

== Merkel 147 shotgun ==

Appears as the "Double barreled shotgun". Uses shotgun ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Double barreled Shotgun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean with the shotgun.]]

== Winchester model 1912 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as the "Trench gun".This is unrealistic because the German military had always detested the use of shotguns in warfare. The name Trench Gun is a nickname for the Winchester models 1897 and 1912 that were modified for US military use during WWI and WWII.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Trench gun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht soldier holds the "Trench Gun" during "The Bavarian Candidate", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc (right) holds the "Trench Gun" at the end of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Terror Shotgun ==
An automatic shotgun, resembling the [[AA-12]] and other modern combat shotguns. The only fictional weapon used by the "Terror troops". Uses Terror shotgun ammo. Again this is unrealistic for the German military at the time because they and most of the other European powers don't use shotguns in their military.

[[Image:Saboteur - TerrShot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Terror Shotgun, note the dedicated forend weaponlight.]]

= Heavy Weapons =

== MG42 ==

The [[MG42|Maschinengewehr Model 42]] is seen mounted on Kübelwagen and in fortified positions. The front end looks like the MG42, but the back end looks like the Browning machine guns

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[MG42]] mounted on a catwalk on the Island of Notre Dame.]]

== Panzerfaust ==

Appears as the "Siegfaust II". Uses Siegfaust ammo. Unlike the real [[Panzerfaust]], this one in the game had a pistol grip that looks like it was taken from an RPG and it was fired off the shoulder.

[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust - 44mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerfaust ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Siegfaust II".]]

== Panzerschreck ==

Appears as the "Panzerschreck". Uses Panzerschreck ammo

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerschreck ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Panzerschreck.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
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[[Category:Stealth]]

The Saboteur

2011-09-21T11:06:59Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror scoped rifle */

''The Saboteur'' is a 2009 action-adventure developed by the now closed Pandemic Studios, published by Electronic Arts, about an Irish race driver turned saboteur who tries to avenge the death of his best friend in Nazi-occupied France by killing the man responsible, demolishing as much of the Third Reich's hardware as possible in the process.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''The Saboteur'':'''

[[Image:Saboteur - CoverArt.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Saboteur'' (2009)]]
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= Handguns =

== Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model ==

The [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith & Wesson 2ND Model|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model]] appears as the ".44 Pistol", but it has an unsupported ejector rod. Strangely it uses the same ammo as both the Kruger and the Raum pistols. It is a 1 hit kill weapon. Sean calls it a "Yankee Hand Cannon" and states that "One shot will turn the Krauts insides into Shepherd's pie. But watch out. She's a bitch to reload." Another oddity is that it has a target front sight and a fixed rear sight.

[[Image:HE2ndTarget.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2nd Model, Target Configuration - .44 S&W Special]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ".44 Pistol" ingame. Note the inventory depicts a stainless steel version. Note the S&W trigger guard on the icon version.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht officer contemplates committing suicide in "Angel of Death", Act II, the .44 revolver in hand.]]

== Beretta M1934 ==

A Beretta Model 1934 is shown on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade that can be bought at gunshops.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the left.]]

== Luger P08 ==

The [[Luger P08]] appears as the "Kruger pistol". Uses pistol ammo. Dierker, the main villain, uses a modified version called the "Executioner pistol". It has a brass-knuckles-like finger guard, a knife attached to the base plate of the magazine and fires fully automatic; it's Dierker's weapon of choice and can be obtained by killing him, or be bought from any Weapons Dealer after the game is finished. It, too, uses pistol ammo and is able to take out pretty much any human enemy in one shot.

[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dierker holds his modified [[Luger P08]] during Act I, "The Darkest Night".]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean struggles with a fake Dr. Kessler in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean steps between Skylar and her intended victim at the beginning of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Mauser M712 ==

Appears as the "Raum pistol". Uses pistol ammo, explained by it being a Red 9 (9mm version), though that is never mentioned.
It's actually a [[Mauser C96#Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer|Mauser M712]], the select fire version of the C96, evident by the detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - C96.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser M712 ingame.]]

== Walther PPK ==

The [[Walther PPK]] appears as the "Silenced pistol". The suppressor and the weapon description stating that this weapon was popular among British spies is obviously a reference to James Bond. Uses silenced pistol ammo.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK fitted with a sound suppressor - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Suppressed Walther PPK ingame.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Also seen on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the right.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MP40 ==

Appears as the [[MP40]]. Both the Resistance and the German military uses it. Sean says it "is as common as hookers in Paris, and seen about as much action", which is somewhat inaccurate in real life.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

A hybrid [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] appears as the "Tommy-MG". Mostly found in supply crates and used by high level Résistance members. It looks like a M1A1, but fitted with a 50 round drum which the M1A1 was not designed to accept.

[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Thompson Submachine Gun ingame.]]

== Sten Mk. 2 ==

Silenced [[Sten]] Mk. 2. Appears as the "Viper SMG". Uses silenced machine gun ammo.

[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II fitted with silencer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Sten.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A female Résistance member holds a Sten Mk II in the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

= Rifles =

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==

The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] appears as the "MP44 MG". Shares the ammo with the MP40 and the Tommy gun, which is definitely unrealistic. The first appearance in the game took place during the Battle of France in 1940, a full 2 years before it was widely distributed to German troops.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:MP44Saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean fires the [[Sturmgewehr 44]] in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]

[[Image:MP44saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean takes cover, Stg 44 in hand.]]

== Gewehr 98==
The [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Gewehr 98]] appears as the "Steiner Rifle" (a possibly nod to [[Cross of Iron]], as the protagionist was named Steiner). It uses rifle ammo. A scoped version also appears, which uses sniper ammo. Both versions are semi-auto in-game

[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle" scoped]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle"]]

== Henry-Martini.22 ==

Appears as the "Hunting rifle". Uses rifle ammo.

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vernoique aims the "Hunting Rifle" in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Hunting Rifle".]]

== Mauser Karabiner 98K ==

The [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98K]] appears as the "Carbine" (which is inaccurate since it's rifle). A scoped version is available. The normal (unscoped) version uses rifle ammo, the scoped version uses sniper rifle ammo.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar982.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Karabiner K98k ingame.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k with scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean Devlin holds a scoped Mauser K98k.]]

== Terror scoped rifle ==

A semi-automatic sniper rifle that fires 5 gauge shotgun ammo. Despite labelled as a "Terror" weapon, it is never actually used by Terror troops. Uses Terror rifle ammo.

Resembles a Z37 rifle.

== Terror MP60 ==

Fictional automatic weapons used by the "Terror troops", German elite soldiers. Despite being labelled as an "MP" (Maschinenpistole/Submachine gun), it rather resembles a light machine gun. Uses Terror MG ammo. It heavily resembles the [[AA-12]] full-auto shotgun.
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During "Boiling Point", Act II, Devlin holds the MP60.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Terror Trooper holds the MP60 in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

= Shotguns =

== Merkel 147 shotgun ==

Appears as the "Double barreled shotgun". Uses shotgun ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Double barreled Shotgun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean with the shotgun.]]

== Winchester model 1912 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as the "Trench gun".This is unrealistic because the German military had always detested the use of shotguns in warfare. The name Trench Gun is a nickname for the Winchester models 1897 and 1912 that were modified for US military use during WWI and WWII.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Trench gun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht soldier holds the "Trench Gun" during "The Bavarian Candidate", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc (right) holds the "Trench Gun" at the end of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Terror Shotgun ==
An automatic shotgun, resembling the [[AA-12]] and other modern combat shotguns. The only fictional weapon used by the "Terror troops". Uses Terror shotgun ammo. Again this is unrealistic for the German military at the time because they and most of the other European powers don't use shotguns in their military.

[[Image:Saboteur - TerrShot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Terror Shotgun, note the dedicated forend weaponlight.]]

= Heavy Weapons =

== MG42 ==

The [[MG42|Maschinengewehr Model 42]] is seen mounted on Kübelwagen and in fortified positions. The front end looks like the MG42, but the back end looks like the Browning machine guns

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[MG42]] mounted on a catwalk on the Island of Notre Dame.]]

== Panzerfaust ==

Appears as the "Siegfaust II". Uses Siegfaust ammo. Unlike the real [[Panzerfaust]], this one in the game had a pistol grip that looks like it was taken from an RPG and it was fired off the shoulder.

[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust - 44mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerfaust ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Siegfaust II".]]

== Panzerschreck ==

Appears as the "Panzerschreck". Uses Panzerschreck ammo

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerschreck ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Panzerschreck.]]

[[Category:Video Game]]
[[Category:War]]
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User talk:Predator20

2011-09-21T09:22:07Z

Cbeattie: /* Cbeattie */

User talk:Evil Tim

2011-09-20T21:08:35Z

Cbeattie: /* re:CB */

And I think we'll start this again with a clean slate.

== Type 69 response ==

I've asked BRM to refrain from making any more changes until this is decided upon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:05, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==Black==

Dude, Your comments on the screen caps are awesome! (The Uzi) "Kellar reloads his NO KELLAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'LL KILL US ALL". XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:41, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==
It is interesting about them two editing just certain pages. If I remember right when MT2008 banned POI, I think he banned certain IP addresses he was using, I don't think Burt's IPs matched. But they are both in Cali. They were on the forums about the same time posting, they may have made replies back to each other. I don't remember. Hopefully the other mods will come to a decision on the RPG issue.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:13, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

:Hi, Tim, I have to present some of my research today (I'm in grad school), so I apologize for being so busy yesterday and today, but quick update:

:(1.) I think I got you approved to post on the forum. Try it now and see if it works.

:(2.) I did used to think that Burt might be PoI re-incarnated, and he certainly sounds like PoI sometimes, but I haven't been able to be sure of this. Being stubborn and argumentative is not a personality trait exclusive to PoI, and Burt hasn't demonstrated some of the other personality traits that made PoI so unlikable (in my opinion, anyway). That being said, PoI was quite technically competent (setting up sock puppet accounts after he got banned), so it's not impossible that he and Burt are the same person. But as Brian told you, their IPs were very, very different.

:(3.) We'll get to the bottom of the Type 69 issue. Promise. :)

:-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 09:26, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

::I'm not sure why you haven't been approved on the forums. Are you using a free e-mail like Yahoo, Gmail? I don't have approval privileges on the forum. So I get "don't have permission" message when viewing your name, despite being a mod. Matt (MT2008) has a little bit more rights. So he may be able to help. But he's dealing with school, so just be patient.

::On another note, Burt didn't start making edits on the wiki until after he was temp banned from the forum, if I remember right (Matt did the banning). I ended up temp banning him on the wiki too for being a smartass. He's gotten better about things, but he still ends up rubbing people the wrong way.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:54, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Have you tried contacting Bunni here on the wiki about your forum problems?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:06, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== ESU is SWAT ==

In the NYPD, the Emergency Services Unit functions as SWAT in addition to other duties.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:20, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

You did take a look at the official NYPD website, right? [http://www.nyc.gov/html/doc/html/about/esu.shtml] They perform the tactical duties, but are not called SWAT.

== Created Gun Tables ==

If you are thinking about converting the gun pages to the table format, please use the table as seen in [[Taurus PT945]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:18, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

In keeping with the actor pages, please arrange by year earliest FIRST for any future revisions (you can keep minigun entries the way they are). For the videogame tables, just eliminate the "Actor" box. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:58, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare ==

Do you feel like helping me look over the page for errors?

== RE: CODBO screenshots ==

Yeah, I had spotted it too, but by that time I had already taken the screenshots. It doesn't look too out of place but the next batch of shots that I plan to upload soon, have the corrected size.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:41, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spacing ==

I'm using Internet explorer at 1366 x 768, so I guess it's only in that browser. I'll amend my message. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

== Re: Re: Call of Duty World at War ==

By your definition, what's to stop people from listing every single howitzer, tank cannon, and other heavy artillery piece imaginable on this site? We have to draw the line somewhere. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:02, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

:In that case, I guess we should get to work listing every time a Tiger tank shows up with its' 88mm gun in a WW2-themed article or when an Abrams fires its' M256 120mm gun in a modern film. You up for cluttering the pages with that extraneous, unnessicary info? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:25, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Spaceart replicas ==

Did someone tell you to remove them? We went over this on the forum. Since we don't have the screen used guns in some cases, they are okay to use. We were planning on removing the links though. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
:Some were kind of for them, some weren't. http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1662 I thought they were okay representatives to use. If they aren't going to be on the main pages, place them on the talk pages. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:05, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
I'm putting them on so I can remember them better. Sorry for any inconvenience but I will continue to do it, But I will change the jpeg name so that my images won't be uploaded. Is that ok.
==re:thank you==
No problem. If you want I can change the protection for your page to registered users only. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:11, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

== That Spambot ==

I guess we'll just have to keep deleting out the entries. Thank for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

==new actor pages with the gibberish==
Don't bother blanking them. Or marking them. When I delete them, it will only show their contributions and I can double check the ip to make sure I banned it. Talk pages are okay and just revert full pages and we will protect them against further action.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:53, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

== Chuck: Thanks for the ID. ==

Thanks for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:22, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== M2 Browning in Bad Company 2 Vietnam. ==

The M2 Browning is mounted on the M48 Patton Tank, but you maybe know a better picture

maybe its better to just use an standard M2 browning picture, the picture i uploaded isn't the best if you understand--[[User:WorldofTanks|WorldofTanks]] 12:19, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
thx for the upload it looks better now

== Shinji Mikami‎ ==

On IMDB, I only see that he's directed video games. All the directors credited on the site have either two or more films represented on the site or is also an actor who has used a firearm in a production. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:41, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

Adding game directors as a category is getting way too far away from the original purpose of the site. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pagecounter ==

How do the pagecouter works on this wiki ?

==Trademark==
Though it's not absolutely necessary, for the longest times people thought Muzzelite was the name of a GUN not the cover. And then people started naming Muzzelite as a generic term for other aftermarket bullpup kits, which it is not. Muzzelite IS a tactical aftermarket accessories company that is independent from Ruger. and their most famous contribution to society is a trademarked line of bullpup kits. at the time the TM was just a way to break people from the bad habit of using the Muzzelite as a generic firearm term, that's all. You're overthinking it. This all happened YEARS before you were a member so don't worry about it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:24, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

==M8A1==
You are correct, your photos are proof that the M8A1 is the base chassis, but I ask where did you get your information? You state that you did research. Did another source correctly identify the tanks? I only ask because the guys at Veluzat themselves erroneously identified the chassis as M48s on the DVD and to me personally. Now you have proven them wrong, but I want to know where else on the net the correct info has been listed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
::jeez, you send me a message right when I'm fixing the page already..... LOL. I was doing it already :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:48, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Though some state that the M8A1 is a derivative of the M41, I wonder how much. The M8A1 has 6 main bogey wheels and four return rollers. The M41 & M42 have only FIVE Main bogey wheels and three return roller. That indicates a completely different frame. Just noting. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:55, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

== Help needed ==

Hi. I'm working on a page for the film "Derailed". There was a S&W pistol, what the detective ID'd as a Smith & Wesson Model 5906. However it had those bigger sights, like the one on this image:
[[Image:Pix1264003015.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9mm]]
It this a very early M5906? I thought I ask you since you visit the site every day, and know a lot about guns. :) Thanks in advance. P.S.: I added an image of a WW2 "thing" onto the talk page of [[Clive Barker's Jericho]]. You have any idea what that is? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:55, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
:'''Never mind, I figured out that Smith and Wesson thing...''' - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:31, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

::Thanks a lot for the help with that shitty WW2 gun. I thought it will be some kind of mortar or something like that. I think it should ''not'' be added to the page, what do you think? I also added the M26 MASS, I found in the manual that it is an "XM-26 semi-auto shotgun", LOL. Just a little trivia: I was really disappointed with F3AR (and I think you were also - at least that's what I've figured out of the talk page), but this game is pretty sick, I bought it in 2008 but haven't played it till now. I played it tru 5 times in the last week. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:00, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

==D-War==
Unless you know for sure with a verifiable source be careful NOT to declare it as a definite fact. The reason why I said that is I recently went by a movie tank farm where they had lightweight Abrahms 'dummies' that ran on some sort of small vehicle for deep background shots. Sure, lots of movies like to CGI duplicate but there are some times when the film wants people interacting with the tanks in the distance. Thanks for the note though. :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:49, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

==Re: Ace Combat==

That's a good question. I have the PS2 titles in the series myself and have played the demo for ''AC6'', but lack a means to take screenshots that wouldn't look like crap. Ideally, I'd like to see the weapon ports for each aircraft mentioned in the articles (ideally with the gun firing so as to show the viewer where the firing port is via the muzzle flash), but I know that might be a bit excessive with some of the games such as ''The Unsung War'' which has something like 16 aircraft that all use the [[M61 Vulcan]] cannon. If my ideal suggestion is not possible, then try to get the player characters' signature aircraft (F-14A Tomcat in ''AC5'', F-22A Raptor in ''AC04'', F-15C Eagle in ''AC Zero'', F-16C Fighting Falcon & F-15E Strike Eagle in ''AC6'', etc.). I greatly appreciate your interest in helping to complete these articles, and look forward to seeing your input on them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

:I would exercise caution with some of the ground vehicle weapons, as that can easily stray into territory not within the scope of the wiki. If you can find a tank or APC with a machine gun or a ZSU-23 AA gun, that's fine, but please avoid things like heavy artillery systems or large-caliber flak guns. There is also a screenshot I would like to see for the ''AC5'' article, but it's extremely difficult to get; namely an image of the player's aircraft being engaged by a [[FIM-92A Stinger]] in "Powderkeg" with the Yuktobanian radio chatter that specifically mentions that weapon system by name. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:43, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

::The 'tricky' part of the "Powderkeg" shot I mentioned is having that piece of dialogue appear at the same time as you're being engaged by said SAM. Both things happen at random during the mission if I remember correctly, so getting them to happen together so as to create a decent screenshot could be difficult. I also thought of another shot I would like to see for ''AC Zero''; a pic of a Belkan BM-335 bomber firing its defensive M61 Vulcan armament (I've noticed that the BM-335 seems to be the only heavy bomber in the series thus far that has any defensive gun armament; the in-game B-52's & Tu-95's appear to have been 'neutered'). [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

== Payday is deleted ==

Thanks for the heads up --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:56, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

==Rank changes==
Navy ranks are abbreviated differently. Listing a US Navy Lieutenant as "Lt." is not correct. See the link. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:US_officer_ranks] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:28, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:We're not talking about Jessica Biel or Josh Lucas, we're talking about their characters, who are US Navy Lieutenants. If we're going to bother listing their ranks, we might as well do it correctly. And as I said, "Lt." is not shorthand for a US Navy Lieutenant, "LT" is. If you want to write out the whole rank, go ahead. But if you're going to abbreviate it, then do it correctly. You noticed I left non-naval ranks alone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:44, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
::I thought being correct trumped readability. "Lt." may be short for the *word* "Lieutenant," but we're talking about the specific rank. And it's not just an administrative choice, navy LTs a different grade than Army/AF/MC lieutenants, just as Army/AF/MC Captains are different than Navy/CG Captains. Using the proper abbreviations helps in differentiating them. [http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=266] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:12, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:::"I don't know, if you're trying to educate people there's no point being correct if nobody understands you're correct..." Really? On the website that tracks *46* variants of what most people would just call a "Colt .45?" (And at least thirty variants of what laymen would just call an M16.) If you want to write out the full rank, go ahead, but keep in mind, the abbreviations do exist for a reason. And of course there are no hard feelings, we're resolving this like reasonable adults. As for [[Stealth]], I think it A) REALLY deserved a good video game adaptation, B) felt like a fifth grader's attempt to remake "2001: A Space Odyssey," C) is an absolutely gorgeous, yet absolutely terrible film, like [[Pearl Harbor]], and D) like Pearl Harbor, makes me wonder if the Navy leaves deciding whether or not to assist on a film to a chimp. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
::::It is what it is. If people see a someone in a naval uniform with LT in front of his or her name, and can't figure out it's short of Lieutenant, then I don't know what we can do. If we can educate people, I think we should. (Just be happy there aren't any Rear Admirals here. Explaining RDML and RADM would be a pain.) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ace Combat series. (I haven't had a PS2 in four years, and yet still have my copies of AC04, AC5, and Zero just in case I do get one again.) Considering it's taken them FOUR YEARS to make a console sequel to AC6, I'm willing to make room for a few clones, like a Stealth game. (As long as it's good. The HAWX series is really disappointing.) How desperate was I for another AC game? I actually thought about getting a Wii just so I can play Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, those UAV missions were just lazy. And that just sums up the entire HAWX franchise. The gameplay is somewhat close to the AC series, but it just lacks polish. The cutscenes in HAWX 1 were some of the worst I've ever seen. BTW, I saw your note to Bunni about the cache issue. I got the same issue two weeks ago, but with a different user. I tried clicking on those same pictures you mentioned, and I'm in as a different, albeit logged out user. If I click back, I'm back in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Sarcasm ==

There is no need for you to leave sarcastic comments on talk pages. Don't delete my comments and leave your saracasm on there. Grow up

There is no need for you to add that in the talk. What is the point of it? I'm going to delete it.

Don't removie my posts if your just complaing about people doing the same thing to you.

If they ban me they would have to ban you. There is no reason to leave your sarcastic comment on that page. Like I stated earlier GROW UP

No Funkychinaman answered my question you just addaded your two cents in when there was no need for it.

Yeah Ben41 warned me but did you see that he didn't delete anything I posted on the talk page, no he didn't. I could keep this up all day your comment will be removed, your not an administrator either

== How to make new pages/articles ==

Hi there i may wanna create a page for the game "Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West"

My question is how i create new pages ?

==Steyr AUG==
Those images of soldiers using the gun in the field are not usable for 'gun images'. Sorry. Please remove them. We only allow stand alone images of guns, NOT news or media release photos of them in the field. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:19, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
::Doesn't matter if they offer a better view of the weapon. Even up to the big crew served weapons and gun platforms, IMFDB tries to put solo pics up, no pics from field use. Put those type of pics in the discussion page. Other than that, only sterile Gun only pics are allowed as gun photos on the gun pages and movie pages. Thanks. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:43, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== Cloudflare ==

Good catch - I'm going to see if there's any way to exclude some pages from the cache and force them to update every time. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 19:28, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Jason Lee==
I'm opting not to make a page for [[Stealth]]'s Jason Lee since he's only got one film credit. If there's a need, I'm leaning toward using the IMDB name of Jason Lee (IX). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:58, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Stealth==
The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

==battling comments and deletions==
So whats the deal with you and this noob? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== Supernatural ==
I'll leave it up for now. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:36, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== New User ==

Hey man, I just thought it would be funny to create my name like this. I'm not here to go around harass people and cause trouble jd0555--[[User:Jd0555|Jd0555]] 11:51, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: Bah, ain't that what they all say? After all, aliens always say 'We come in peace/we mean no harm' even if they intend to destroy us all. :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:02, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

I mean yeah a little it got you a little upset :p. Like I said I'm not here to start trouble

Well right now (even though I agree with you, but would that hold up in a court of law?) lets wait and see. if he starts acting up I have no trouble with blocking him. and I know MPM2008 won't have any trouble doing that either. Nor will Ben --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:13, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

==RE: Language==

That was just a thought on my part. And to me, if it was one line that's one thing - but two makes it a different case - a pattern. If he's deliberately trying to get pages censored that's not right. You should make a note of that to Ben. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:09, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: He's done it again, and now I'm seriously starting to think that either he's intentionally doing it just to be annoying. I've brought this back up with Ben, and also have brought it to attention of Predator20 and JCordell. This has now started to tick me off and I'm starting to see it as a real problem. I want to know what this guy's deal is. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:37, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

== Profanity ==

The amount of offensive language should be kept at a minimum level in order to maintain the professionalism of the site. The quotes were removed because they were not overly important to the screencap. I don't think I'll be going through and removing all profanity, but I don't want users to ask why we allow profanity on the movie pages and not in discussions. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

Those comments were made long before the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] were finalized and now it's been stated that swearing should be kept at a minimum. I just removed a (now banned) user's comments due to the profanity. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:41, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

==Wrong?==
Instead of putting just "Wrong" when correcting a misidentified weapon, you could also put a reason down. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

== Re. communication on IMFDB ==

Thanks for your quick reaction, this is much appreciated!

I now understand the 'logic' and I will indeed make replies on somebody's user talk page so that the person gets a notice. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:39, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==zastava==
don't remove the note. Instead point to it and publicly shame me into actually getting around to DOING IT! LOL. hahahaha. I forgot because I just haven't seen that note in a long time (and when you mentioned it I did a "DOH!!!!") It's a wee bit tough since all those Yugo AK variants are in a vault about 65 miles away from my home (though I live in a major metro area of California, the state government of CA won't allow those types of restricted weapons in major dense population centers, even though the movies are all shot here, but we know how stupid most politicians are.....) I haven't had time to photograph that and many other weapons since I've been working non-stop (gotta grab the work when it happens, since there are LONG times of 'famine' in this biz). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:54, 21 July 2011 (CDT) Thanks for the reminder. I will try to do that soon.

== Thanks for the help ==

Hey Evil Tim, thanks for help undoing that spammer's work, My computer was terribly slow on those last two pages and I couldn't undo them as quickly as I would have liked too, so thank you for that too. You are a great contributor to the site, and keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

==MGS4 Page==
I actually just utilized HD youtube vids, not really tech savvy enough to use a capture card I guess. I agree on the M67 image, that was a random shot I found on google, and if you can replace it with a better one, please feel free.

I planned to capture shots from MGS2 and 3 as well, but there aren't very good quality videos out there, and since the HD remakes are coming out in the fall, I'll wait until then to find better quality shots to upload. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==terror scoped rifle the saboteur==

sorry to ask but can you find out for me what type of gun the terror scoped rifle is :)[[user:cbeattie]]14:49

== Human Revolution ==

Hi. Are you planning to finish the page for this year's best game? I have it but have no time to upload so feel free to finish tha page. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:25, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Just Cause 2 M249 ==

Does it really feed from the underside in the game? To me it looks like the screenshot could be misleading. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 15:01, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== G11 Magazine ==
Huh, I thought that the stick was simply just a block of rounds stuck together and the weapon consumes the entire thing. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 08:52, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

== Captions ==

Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon [[Far Cry 2]] page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:Thanks :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:21, 15 September 2011 (CDT)

== Renaming pages ==

Hi Tim, thanks for your comments. I followed your instructions and [[Attack on Leningrad]] was created in just seconds. Jolly good! --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 08:36, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== bioshock ==

Hey man, didnt mean to get rude with the bioshcok "machine gun". I get defensive at times, I apologize for my rude behavior.--Gunner5

==about==

what all that about on the saboteur ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:20, 8 September 2011 (CDT))

== User: Cbeattie ==

Can I please have some help? Cbeattie is bugging the living hell out of me. ಠ_ಠ Just look at the "Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur" and the "sabouter 44 pistol" section on my talk page. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:33, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

sorry to ask what is that rifle on your main page
please ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 10:32, 20 September 2011 (CDT))
thank you

You don't get it the terror scoped rifle is real it is a ZH-29 with a few mods so it fits sean if you don't belive me i have proof on the wiki page ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:47, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

Tim look at this crap Cbeattie did on The Saboteur wiki. [http://the-saboteur.wikia.com/wiki/Terror_scoped_rifle] :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:38, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

For the last time it is not me stop saying it is :( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:46, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

==re:CB==
Alright, you're going to have to go into more detail about what the problem is. I can't ban him just because he's disagreeing with another member. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

==Please==
please Tim what is that rifle on your user page called cheers ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 16:08, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-09-20T19:13:27Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]

just as a cap the 44 pistol fires a 44 special load which due to its much bigger and heavier bullet of that time does mutch more damage than anythink round that time even now it will do more damage than the magnum vesion at close range ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 17:00, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:What!? Was that English? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:50, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

what do you mean i am explaining how the 44 special does more damadge than the 44 magnum ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:02, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:... Your wrong. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

how is that wrong ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:11, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:The .44 Magnum round has a much greater energy output than the .44 Special round. ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

does not matter the 44 specials bullet is 3 inches bigger resulting in a lot more damage ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:19, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.61 in (41 mm)
bullet 8.4 mm

Case length 1.16 in (29 mm)
Overall length 1.615 in (41.0 mm
bullet 12 mm
([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:24, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:Your still wrong, I have a .44 Magnum round and a .44 Special round sitting in my room and the .44 Magnum round is noticeably longer than the .44 Special round. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:24, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

right your special if the bullet is the same size as the magnums is the special conversion which people do because the specials bullet is to big.the 44 magnum is more powerful than the 44 special but the speical bullet is mutch bigger and heavier.the the 44 magnum will make a hole in somone about the size of a marble whaere as the special will make a tennis ball size hole in a person there fore the special is mutch more damaging than the magnum at short range.
id thought you would have known that :o
([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT))

:Uh, genius, the bullets are '''THE SAME SIZE'''! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:32, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

i have found out what it is it is a modified vesion of the Mondragón rifle whitch has the exact same shape and also can change ammo and fires auto ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:57, 4 September 2011 (CDT))

:Okay, good for you. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:23, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

or it could be a t3 vickers-pederson rifle prototype have a look :) ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 05:24, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Mondrag%C3%B3n+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=px2Xoysrad5zSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php%3F3288-306-Garand-picture-of-the-Day-How-well-do-you-know-your-Garands&docid=L57cm9boL_ALHM&w=750&h=321&ei=PKRkToOCEdGv8QP-s82gCg&zoom=1]

or the ZH-29.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 06:56, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ZH-29+Semi-automatic+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=4YcPhvuAH54LHM:&imgrefurl=http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/17446-chinese-weapons-of-ww2-question/&docid=WnMc7r1cLCLW4M&w=1019&h=202&ei=6apkTvn0EMWn8QPz3uCKCg&zoom=1]

or the Farquhar-Hill Hybrid
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Farquhar-Hill+Hybrid&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=R4oaNBq_qF7uXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/collections_view.aspx%3Fid%3D151&docid=exQjKyiwpZjUFM&w=440&h=124&ei=qrhkTtWiMsnG8QOhnKClCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=1&tbnh=48&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=135&ty=29]

they all can be fitted with scopes

:I looked at the pic of the Terror Scoped rifle I have, and unfortunately it looks like none of these rifles. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

i started to think you where good at identfyinf weapons but obisly not. :((( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:51, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

Well it looks ulmost identical to the ZH-29 WITH MODS THAT EVERY WORLD WAR 2 sniper has to fit its owner perfectly quit frankly it IS the ZH-29 with some mods a will list if you want ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:16, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

:The ZH-29's magazine is too big and too far forward to be the Terror Rifle and the receiver is too squired. And the Terror Rifle isn't modded, it just has a scope. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:35, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

stop being a dork it is the ZH-29 just because don't think so keep it to youre self and if you can find a gun that looks more like it please share it ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT))

:Why are you being a jerk! Why don't '''you''' keep it to your self. >:( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:17, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

no jerk you stop being an idiot its the ZH-29 ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 15:40, 7 September 2011 (CDT))

:I'm not being a jerk and it's not a ZH-29! What are you, 8 years old! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:44, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

It might sound a bit far fetched but it could look like the BAR 1918 have a look cheers ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 11:59, 19 September 2011 (CDT))

:ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:01, 19 September 2011 (CDT)

Do you think

:No. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:00, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

ok it stays a ZH-29 :)
anyway i have proof have a look on the saboteur wiki the terror scoped rifle page

I am putting an end to this I am not the cjbeattie i am cbeattie and the terror scoped rifle IS the ZZH-29 FIANL ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:04, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

:What the crap!!! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

It means what it says ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:13, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

listen user make your own talk page so we don,t have to talk about this on Mr wolf's page I am not cjbeattie I am cbeattie if you persist to make me out to be someone I am not I will have to complain and get you banned.

:Um, we can actually tell that you are the "cjbeattie." First of all, why would a user with the same name post the same information that is on a different wiki. Second, the information is the same with little to no proof about your claim. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:34, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Changing captions in gun images ==

Please do not change captions in the stock gun images if it's mentioned that the weapon pictured is an actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:48, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I did it because it looked cluttered on Movie pages, I didn't change it on the Weapon page itself. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

== Bodycount reminds me of this ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:38, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

:Freakin' unbelievable! XD That was so epic I bookmarked it. X) Wow, I really feel bad for you. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:52, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

== changing to 1px ==

I'm not sure if this is the same reason Warejaws is changing the pics by 1px, but I've been doing this because this is the only way you can see instantly the changes in a screenshot that's been uploaded over an older one. Since this doesn't change the overall size of screenshots in comparison to 600px pics, you don't have to worry about it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:14, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:Aww. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:11, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

okay first of all, read this: http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut&curid=104047&diff=457228&oldid=456506
That conversation caught my eye. I reuploaded those two shots, and they haven't updated yet. So I figured I'd try it out since I've seen Ben do it on a couple of pages already. AND btw, that was '''''the first time''''' I've changed any caps, so I don't ''keep adding 1px to screen caps''.
And second, you could have come to me about this issue, instead of going straight to an admin. I'm not not some irresponsible teenager, who is trying to vandalize IMFDB. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 06:15, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:I don't didn't go straight to an admin and I didn't think you were trying vandalize imfdb! I saw you do it a couple of times and I just asked you why you were doing it. I didn't rat on you! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:25, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

::I'm sorry, it appears you were speaking the truth. It's jst I can't stand people who can't find the time to go straight to the person resposible (which you aren't). My outburst was petty, and I apologize to you. But on a side note, what I did on ''The Wolfman'' page, was the '''first time ever''' I tried it out. I've only seen Ben41 do it on a couple of pages, and it's been effective, since some screencaps don't update immediately.
Ps. Once again, I'm sorry. Hope this doesn't create any bad blood between us. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:25, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

:Nah, It's alright, I understand. :) Actually I was concerned '''I''' was the one who intentionally might have caused bad blood between us. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:49, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

::Well, the past is the past, bruv. From where I stand, we're cool :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:18, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== I'm not sure I can ==

They haven't yet invented a way to make people more intelligent or kill them using the internet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:Can you please atleast tell him he's wrong, he'll keep going on forever about the .44 Spl is bigger and more powerful than the .44 Magnum! No matter what my answer is he says I'm wrong. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I really think he's just doing this because he wants attention at this stage. He uses that annoying method of debating where you just restate your premise over and over regardless of what your opponent says. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:13, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:::(*Sigh*) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:14, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== A funny thing (not at all site related) ==

http://lparchive.org/Dead-to-Rights-Retribution/

Behold a videogame starring the worst police officer ''ever''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:52, 18 September 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, that's just plain, um, bad. :\ The only thing I liked is the wolf-dog Shadow. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:52, 19 September 2011 (CDT)
::Wolf-dog-bear-monster. Later he manages to take down a helicopter. Yes, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:24, 19 September 2011 (CDT)
:::0_0 ... Awesome. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:48, 19 September 2011 (CDT)

== Call of Juarez Shotgun ==

I think I found the shotgun for Call of Juarez and Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.

I think it is actually a Remington-Whitmore 1875 Shotgun and not the Colt 1878 Shotgun as it is currently identified as.

They look very similar (especially CoJ 1's shotgun). And a user at imdb had identified all the guns (for the shotgun he simply put Remington 1875), and I just wanted to see what you think. - [[User:1morey]] September 19, 2011 8:03 PM (EST)
:How would I know? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:37, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-09-20T19:04:04Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]

just as a cap the 44 pistol fires a 44 special load which due to its much bigger and heavier bullet of that time does mutch more damage than anythink round that time even now it will do more damage than the magnum vesion at close range ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 17:00, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:What!? Was that English? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:50, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

what do you mean i am explaining how the 44 special does more damadge than the 44 magnum ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:02, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:... Your wrong. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

how is that wrong ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:11, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:The .44 Magnum round has a much greater energy output than the .44 Special round. ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

does not matter the 44 specials bullet is 3 inches bigger resulting in a lot more damage ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:19, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm)
Overall length 1.61 in (41 mm)
bullet 8.4 mm

Case length 1.16 in (29 mm)
Overall length 1.615 in (41.0 mm
bullet 12 mm
([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 18:24, 10 September 2011 (CDT))

:Your still wrong, I have a .44 Magnum round and a .44 Special round sitting in my room and the .44 Magnum round is noticeably longer than the .44 Special round. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:24, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

right your special if the bullet is the same size as the magnums is the special conversion which people do because the specials bullet is to big.the 44 magnum is more powerful than the 44 special but the speical bullet is mutch bigger and heavier.the the 44 magnum will make a hole in somone about the size of a marble whaere as the special will make a tennis ball size hole in a person there fore the special is mutch more damaging than the magnum at short range.
id thought you would have known that :o
([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT))

:Uh, genius, the bullets are '''THE SAME SIZE'''! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:32, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

i have found out what it is it is a modified vesion of the Mondragón rifle whitch has the exact same shape and also can change ammo and fires auto ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:57, 4 September 2011 (CDT))

:Okay, good for you. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:23, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

or it could be a t3 vickers-pederson rifle prototype have a look :) ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 05:24, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Mondrag%C3%B3n+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=px2Xoysrad5zSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php%3F3288-306-Garand-picture-of-the-Day-How-well-do-you-know-your-Garands&docid=L57cm9boL_ALHM&w=750&h=321&ei=PKRkToOCEdGv8QP-s82gCg&zoom=1]

or the ZH-29.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 06:56, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ZH-29+Semi-automatic+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=4YcPhvuAH54LHM:&imgrefurl=http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/17446-chinese-weapons-of-ww2-question/&docid=WnMc7r1cLCLW4M&w=1019&h=202&ei=6apkTvn0EMWn8QPz3uCKCg&zoom=1]

or the Farquhar-Hill Hybrid
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Farquhar-Hill+Hybrid&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=R4oaNBq_qF7uXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/collections_view.aspx%3Fid%3D151&docid=exQjKyiwpZjUFM&w=440&h=124&ei=qrhkTtWiMsnG8QOhnKClCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=1&tbnh=48&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=135&ty=29]

they all can be fitted with scopes

:I looked at the pic of the Terror Scoped rifle I have, and unfortunately it looks like none of these rifles. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

i started to think you where good at identfyinf weapons but obisly not. :((( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:51, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

Well it looks ulmost identical to the ZH-29 WITH MODS THAT EVERY WORLD WAR 2 sniper has to fit its owner perfectly quit frankly it IS the ZH-29 with some mods a will list if you want ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:16, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

:The ZH-29's magazine is too big and too far forward to be the Terror Rifle and the receiver is too squired. And the Terror Rifle isn't modded, it just has a scope. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:35, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

stop being a dork it is the ZH-29 just because don't think so keep it to youre self and if you can find a gun that looks more like it please share it ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT))

:Why are you being a jerk! Why don't '''you''' keep it to your self. >:( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:17, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

no jerk you stop being an idiot its the ZH-29 ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 15:40, 7 September 2011 (CDT))

:I'm not being a jerk and it's not a ZH-29! What are you, 8 years old! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:44, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

It might sound a bit far fetched but it could look like the BAR 1918 have a look cheers ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 11:59, 19 September 2011 (CDT))

:ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:01, 19 September 2011 (CDT)

Do you think

:No. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:00, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

ok it stays a ZH-29 :)
anyway i have proof have a look on the saboteur wiki the terror scoped rifle page

I am putting an end to this I am not the cjbeattie i am cbeattie and the terror scoped rifle IS the ZZH-29 FIANL ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:04, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

listen user make your own talk page so we don,t have to talk about this on Mr wolf's page I am not cjbeattie I am cbeattie if you persist to make me out to be someone I am not I will have to complain and get you banned.

:Um, we can actually tell that you are the "cjbeattie." First of all, why would a user with the same name post the same information that is on a different wiki. Second, the information is the same with little to no proof about your claim. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:34, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Changing captions in gun images ==

Please do not change captions in the stock gun images if it's mentioned that the weapon pictured is an actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:48, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I did it because it looked cluttered on Movie pages, I didn't change it on the Weapon page itself. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

== Bodycount reminds me of this ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE_msAKWdOs

[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:38, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

:Freakin' unbelievable! XD That was so epic I bookmarked it. X) Wow, I really feel bad for you. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:52, 8 September 2011 (CDT)

== changing to 1px ==

I'm not sure if this is the same reason Warejaws is changing the pics by 1px, but I've been doing this because this is the only way you can see instantly the changes in a screenshot that's been uploaded over an older one. Since this doesn't change the overall size of screenshots in comparison to 600px pics, you don't have to worry about it. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:14, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:Aww. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:11, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

okay first of all, read this: http://www.imfdb.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bozitojugg3rn4ut&curid=104047&diff=457228&oldid=456506
That conversation caught my eye. I reuploaded those two shots, and they haven't updated yet. So I figured I'd try it out since I've seen Ben do it on a couple of pages already. AND btw, that was '''''the first time''''' I've changed any caps, so I don't ''keep adding 1px to screen caps''.
And second, you could have come to me about this issue, instead of going straight to an admin. I'm not not some irresponsible teenager, who is trying to vandalize IMFDB. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 06:15, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:I don't didn't go straight to an admin and I didn't think you were trying vandalize imfdb! I saw you do it a couple of times and I just asked you why you were doing it. I didn't rat on you! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:25, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

::I'm sorry, it appears you were speaking the truth. It's jst I can't stand people who can't find the time to go straight to the person resposible (which you aren't). My outburst was petty, and I apologize to you. But on a side note, what I did on ''The Wolfman'' page, was the '''first time ever''' I tried it out. I've only seen Ben41 do it on a couple of pages, and it's been effective, since some screencaps don't update immediately.
Ps. Once again, I'm sorry. Hope this doesn't create any bad blood between us. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 07:25, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

:Nah, It's alright, I understand. :) Actually I was concerned '''I''' was the one who intentionally might have caused bad blood between us. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:49, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

::Well, the past is the past, bruv. From where I stand, we're cool :) --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:18, 12 September 2011 (CDT)

== I'm not sure I can ==

They haven't yet invented a way to make people more intelligent or kill them using the internet. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:58, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:Can you please atleast tell him he's wrong, he'll keep going on forever about the .44 Spl is bigger and more powerful than the .44 Magnum! No matter what my answer is he says I'm wrong. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I really think he's just doing this because he wants attention at this stage. He uses that annoying method of debating where you just restate your premise over and over regardless of what your opponent says. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 13:13, 11 September 2011 (CDT)
:::(*Sigh*) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:14, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

== A funny thing (not at all site related) ==

http://lparchive.org/Dead-to-Rights-Retribution/

Behold a videogame starring the worst police officer ''ever''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:52, 18 September 2011 (CDT)
:Wow, that's just plain, um, bad. :\ The only thing I liked is the wolf-dog Shadow. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 01:52, 19 September 2011 (CDT)
::Wolf-dog-bear-monster. Later he manages to take down a helicopter. Yes, really. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:24, 19 September 2011 (CDT)
:::0_0 ... Awesome. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:48, 19 September 2011 (CDT)

== Call of Juarez Shotgun ==

I think I found the shotgun for Call of Juarez and Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.

I think it is actually a Remington-Whitmore 1875 Shotgun and not the Colt 1878 Shotgun as it is currently identified as.

They look very similar (especially CoJ 1's shotgun). And a user at imdb had identified all the guns (for the shotgun he simply put Remington 1875), and I just wanted to see what you think. - [[User:1morey]] September 19, 2011 8:03 PM (EST)
:How would I know? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:37, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

Saints Row 2

2011-09-20T18:58:42Z

Cbeattie: /* Kobra Pistol */

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[[Image:Saints Row 2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Saints Row 2 (2008)]]
In Saints Row 2, all one-handed weapons can be dual wielded by the player and can sometimes be seen being dual wielded by NPCs as well. There are also many improvised weapons available.

= Pistols =

== [[Taser]] ==
Used by police and Ultor guards in-game when at low police notoriety levels. Referred to in-game as "Stun Gun".
[[File:Stungun (Taser M18)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|250px|Stungun (Taser M18)(SR2).jpg]]

== Glock 21 ==
The [[Glock#Glock 21|Glock 21]] appears as "NR4". It is different from the icon above the armory, as it does not have an extended barrel, and the trigger guard is different. It is the sidearm of the Stilwater Police Department and the Ultor Security Services in Saint's Row District. Some gang members use this weapon as well. Erroneously holds 12 rounds rather than the correct 13.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 21 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:NR4 (Glock 21 .45ACP)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Beretta 84F Cheetah ==
The [[Beretta 80 Series Pistols - "Cheetah"|Beretta 84F Cheetah]] appears as "VICE 9", replacing the 92FS that was used in SR1. For some reason, both the 92FS and the Cheetah are used in cutscenes. Both a stainless and a blued version are available (the blued one can be found on customers in gunstores, the stainless is found everywhere else). The Player uses a Cheetah several times in cutscenes, such as using it to intimidate Donnie, killing Mr. Sunshine, firing multiple rounds into him before beheading him with his own machete, and most notably to kill both the Brotherhood leader, Maero, and the former Saints leader, Julius.
[[Image:Beretta-Cheetah.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 84FS - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Vice 9 (M9)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Model of VICE 9 from Saints Row 2]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
The VICE 9 from the first game, which was a poorly rendered [[Beretta 92FS]], is used only cutscenes.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:M9A1(only during cutscenes)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Saints Row 1 VICE 9 model, used in cutscenes in Saints Row 2]]

== Colt Anaconda ==
The [[Colt Anaconda]] appears again as ".44 Shepherd". Is somewhat less powerful than the one in SR1. Is carried by several gang thugs, namely the Ronin and the Brotherhood.
[[Image:Colt Anaconda HQ.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Colt Anaconda - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:44 Shepherd (Colt Anaconda)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Desert Eagle ==
The [[Desert Eagle]] appears again as "GDHC .50". Strangely, it has an 8-round magazine, only found on the .44 Magnum Desert Eagle. It is used by the FBI Agents in the game.
[[Image:DesertEagle50AE.jpg|thumb|300px|none|IMI Desert Eagle with chrome finish - .50 AE ]]
[[Image:GDHC .50 (Desert Eagle)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== Kobra Pistol ==
The Kobra pistol is a fully automatic pistol, fully based on the full-auto [[Steyr 1912|Steyr Model 1912]] variant. It carries fifteen rounds of the Steyr version of the 9mm ammo(that has a bigger powder charge than normal 9x19mm making it more powerful), and comes equipped with a laser sight mounted atop the gun. It is unlocked by completing Fuzz, Mission 3 (Projects) in the game. It is in the middle being stronger than any SMG and way faster than any pistol. As it is basically a mini version of an assault rifle due to its power and rate of fire, and can be dual weilded it is one of the best guns on the game.
[[Image:Steyr1912.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Steyr Model 1912 - 9x23mm]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon fuzz 1 half.jpg|none|thumb|250px]]
[[Image:Kobra (M1912)(SR2).jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

= Submachine Guns =

== Intratec TEC-9 ==
The [[Intratec TEC-9]] appears as the "T3K Urban". 9mm SMG, the cheapest one in the game. Is used by all the gangs, including the Saints, Sons of Samedi, Ronin, and the Brotherhood.
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|250px|Intratec TEC-9 - 9x19mm]]
[[image:T3K Urban (Tec-9)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|250px]]
[[Image:Sr 09a gunfire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The TEC-9 in-game]]

== IMI Uzi ==
The [[Uzi#Uzi|Uzi]], known in-game as "GAL 43", and is fitted with a MAC-10 style stock (blocking the sights). Can be dual wielded. It is unlocked by completing level 3 of one of the "Snatch" Activities. Extremely high-rate of fire and a sort of minigun sound effect. The name "GAL" is likely a reference to the creator of the Uzi, Uziel Gal.
[[Image:Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|400px|IMI Uzi - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:GAL-43 (Mini UZI)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px]]
[[File:Unlock weapon snatch 2 half.jpg|thumb|300px|none]]

== H&K MP5K ==
The [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler and Koch MP5K|H&K MP5K]] appears in-game as the "SKR-9 Threat". Can be dual-wielded, and is used by some gang members and by Ultor Masako Assault Team members in the game. in the game the gun holds 40 rounds but in real life the gun would only hold 15 with the short magazine depicted in game. Can be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|300px|H&K MP5K - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:SKR-9 Threat (MP5K)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

= Shotguns =

== USAS-12 Shotgun ==
The [[USAS-12 Shotgun]] appears as the "AS14 Hammer". Used by gangs, namely the Brotherhood and the Ronin thugs. It is fitted with a folding stock rather than a fixed one. It is wrongly depicted as having a 12-round drum magazine, where it actually holds 20 rounds.
[[Image:USAS12.jpg|thumb|none|450px|USAS 12 full auto shotgun - 12 gauge.]]

== Savage/Stevens 311A ==
The sawn-off [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun#Short barreled Side by Side Shotgun (Sawed Off)|Savage/Stevens 311A]] appears again from the last game as the "12 Gauge". Carried by many thugs in the game, namely the Sons of Samedi and the Brotherhood. In game it holds six shells at once, four more than it can ever possibly hold in real life.

== Benelli M3 ==
The [[Benelli M Series Super 90 Shotguns#Benelli M3|Benelli M3]] appears again as "Tombstone." Used by Police and Ultor members.
[[Image:Benelli_m3-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Benelli M3 Super 90 12 gauge with pistol grip stock combination]]
[[Image:Tombstone (Benelli M3)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Saints Row 2 Tombstone, seen in a model viewer]]
[[Image:Benelli M3(only during cutscenes)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Saints Row Tombstone, used in cutscenes in Saints Row 2.]]
[[Image:Sr 04a ronin 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gat holding the Benelli in-game]]

= Assault Rifles =

== XM177E2 ==
The [[M16 rifle series#Colt XM177/CAR-15/Commando Series|XM177E2]] appears again as the "AR-40 Xtnd". Used by Ultor Masako Assault Teams and SWAT. It also has no bolt assist, and is probably the only weapon that cannot be acquired by in-game cheats.
[[Image:AR-40 Xtnd (M4 Carbine)(SR2).jpg|400px|thumb|none]]
[[Image:M4_SR2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|A character designed to look like Faith (Yes, the one from [[Mirror's Edge]]) disarms a policeman of his XM177E2]]

== Heckler & Koch XM8 ==
The [[Heckler & Koch XM8]] is known as the "AR-50 XMAC" in-game. Seen in the hands of the Ultor Masako assault team in a trailer, as well as in several cutscenes in game. Scoring the maximum rating for Gang Kills and earning one rating for the other combat ratings unlocks a variant with a grenade launcher, which uses grenades in your inventory as ammo. In this game the magazine of the XM8 is 50 rounds but in real life it is only 30 rounds. The non-grenade launching version can be purchased at Friendly Fire.
[[Image:XM8.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Heckler and Koch XM8]]
[[Image:AR-50 XMAC(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]
[[Image:AR-50w Grenade Launcher(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon div combatgun.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

== AK-47 ==
The [[AK-47]] reappears as "K6 Krukov". It is used by many gang thugs in the game. Can be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:AK47-PolyTechLegend.jpg|thumb|450px|none|AK-47 Type III - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:K6 Krukov (AK-47)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

== M249-E2 SAW ==
The [[FN Minimi#M249-E1 / M249-E2 / M249 Paratrooper SAW|M249-E2]] is called the AR200 SAW in the game. It is used in the first level when making your escape from the prison in the boat, and then afterwards by the player when firing from a helicopter. The Ronin also use this when defending the Recreation Center during a Stronghold Mission. Can also be purchased from Friendly Fire.
[[Image:Fn_m249saw_mk2_10-1-.jpg|thumb|none|450px|M249-E2 SAW - 5.56x45mm with 200 round ammo drum.]]
[[Image:AR200 SAW (Minimi M249)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

= Special Weapons =

== Barrett XM109 ==
The Barrett XM109 replaces .338 Cal "McManus" as the 25x59mm "McManus 2010". It is seen used by an Ultor Masako Sniper in "Picking a Fight", and Johnny Gat attempts to use one to snipe the Ultor Executive, Dane Vogel, but fails when a guard stops him. The rifle was thought to be an M82A1, but is actually Barrett's new rifle under development, the XM109. Reasons supporting this is the barrel is shorter than the M82, like the XM109 is designed to be, and the weapon uses large 25x59mm rounds, which are fed through a standard 5-round magazine for the rifle.
[[Image:SoldierTech_XM109-2.jpg‎|thumb|none|450px|Barrett XM109]]
[[Image:McManus 2010(M82A1)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px]]

== Flame Thrower ==
An over-sized double-barreled futuristic-looking flamer.

== [[GE M134 Minigun]] ==
The [[GE M134 Minigun]] appears as the "Minigun". Originally a project for a man-portable minigun, this fabled weapon is found in SR2 in the hands of Maero during the fight at the Brotherhood's hideout. Unlocked by the player after defeating Maero in said mission and put into armory. Fires from 200 round belt or ammo pack not seen on the actual gun.
[[Image:Minigun 2.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Handheld M134 Minigun with 'Chainsaw grip' to handle the recoil force.]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon bh10 minigun.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

== Browning M2 ==
You find the [[Browning M2]] on the Bear vehicle, six of them are wing-mounted on the Wolverine, and two are nose-mounted on the Parrot. Oddly, the HUD icon shows a Minigun.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]

== Cane Gun ==
Called "Pimp Cane", it's a shotgun obviously hidden in a pimp cane. Very powerful, kills people instantly from up close and destroys common vehicles in 2 hits. Holds 16 rounds, which is way more that it should.

= Explosives =

== RPG-7 ==
The [[RPG-7]] appears as simply "RPG". Used by Masako Team units, and gang members, the latter using theirs only a little later in the game. It is the most powerful weapon in the game able to destroy anything that can be destroyed in the game. Strangely the player holds the weapon with one hand on the trigger while the other on the top, even though the proper way to hold it is one hand on the trigger grip and the other on the rear grip. The player holds the weapon very much like the [[Type 69 RPG#Type 69 RPG|Type 69 RPG.]] (the Chinese version of the RPG-7). A part of its iron sights are gone while the other is there unfliped.
There is another version, which has been upgraded to seek out heat and looks more futuristic (it's bulkier, has a scope, and lots more chrome and a panzerfaust like warhead) known as the "Annihilator RPG". This version can only be unlocked upon completing a certain activity.
[[Image:Rpg-7-1-.jpg‎ |thumb|none|450px|RPG-7 - 40mm]]
[[Image:RPG Launcher (RPG-7)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The RPG as it appears in the game.]]
[[Image:Annihilator RPG(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none|The Annihilator RPG.]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon mayhem 1 whole.jpg|thumb|300px|none|The Annihilator RPG in the magazine.]]

== FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0 ==
The [[FN EGLM#FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0|FN 40GL/Mk 13 Mod 0]] is featured in the game, mounted on the unlockable variant of the Heckler & Koch XM8 (a weapon it was not designed to be compatible with), with an oddly rendered trigger.
[[Image:SCAR 2nd gen w EGLM.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Fabrique Nationale EGLM 40mm mounted on a [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|Fabrique Nationale SCAR-L]] 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:AR-50w Grenade Launcher(XM8)(SR2).jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

== Satchel Charge ==
Your basic satchel charge, which sticks to anything when thrown. Ten can be carried at one time.
[[Image:SatchelCharge(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|300px]]
[[Image:Unlock weapon div hitman 3.jpg|thumb|none|300px]]

= Unused weapons =
== Ingram MAC-10==
The SKR-7 Spree from ''[[Saints Row]] 1'', though not available to the player in-game, can be seen in gun shops in a glass case.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Ingram MAC-10 open bolt submachine gun - .45 ACP]]‎
[[File:Mini UZI(only in Friendly Fire)(SR2).JPG|thumb|none|400px|SKR-7 Spree in Saints Row 2, seen in Friendly Fire, and in a model viewer]]

== Accuracy International AW ==
The McManus from ''[[Saints Row]] 1'', though not available to the player in-game, can be seen in gun shops in a glass case.
[[Image:Accuracy International Arctic Warfare - Psg 90.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Accuracy International AW 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:L96A1(only in Friendly Fire)(SR2).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The Saints Row 1 McManus, seen in Friendly Fire, and shown in a model viewer]]

== Franchi SPAS-12 ==
Similar to the AWS, a SPAS-12 can be seen in a glass case at Friendly Fire, but it cannot be purchased by the player.
[[Image:Franchi-SPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Franchi SPAS-12 with stock folded and butt-hook removed - 12 Gauge]]
[[File:SPAS12(only in Friendly Fire).jpg|thumb|none|450px|The As12 Riot in Saints Row 2, as seen in friendly fire and in a model viewer]]

== H&K G36C ==
A chopped-down version is seen on the game's cover art, but is not in the game. It may have been considered, but dropped in favor of the XM8.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]

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User talk:Evil Tim

2011-09-20T18:46:53Z

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User talk:Evil Tim

2011-09-20T17:47:30Z

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And I think we'll start this again with a clean slate.

== Type 69 response ==

I've asked BRM to refrain from making any more changes until this is decided upon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:05, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==Black==

Dude, Your comments on the screen caps are awesome! (The Uzi) "Kellar reloads his NO KELLAR WHAT ARE YOU DOING YOU'LL KILL US ALL". XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:41, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==
It is interesting about them two editing just certain pages. If I remember right when MT2008 banned POI, I think he banned certain IP addresses he was using, I don't think Burt's IPs matched. But they are both in Cali. They were on the forums about the same time posting, they may have made replies back to each other. I don't remember. Hopefully the other mods will come to a decision on the RPG issue.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:13, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

:Hi, Tim, I have to present some of my research today (I'm in grad school), so I apologize for being so busy yesterday and today, but quick update:

:(1.) I think I got you approved to post on the forum. Try it now and see if it works.

:(2.) I did used to think that Burt might be PoI re-incarnated, and he certainly sounds like PoI sometimes, but I haven't been able to be sure of this. Being stubborn and argumentative is not a personality trait exclusive to PoI, and Burt hasn't demonstrated some of the other personality traits that made PoI so unlikable (in my opinion, anyway). That being said, PoI was quite technically competent (setting up sock puppet accounts after he got banned), so it's not impossible that he and Burt are the same person. But as Brian told you, their IPs were very, very different.

:(3.) We'll get to the bottom of the Type 69 issue. Promise. :)

:-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 09:26, 15 April 2011 (CDT)

::I'm not sure why you haven't been approved on the forums. Are you using a free e-mail like Yahoo, Gmail? I don't have approval privileges on the forum. So I get "don't have permission" message when viewing your name, despite being a mod. Matt (MT2008) has a little bit more rights. So he may be able to help. But he's dealing with school, so just be patient.

::On another note, Burt didn't start making edits on the wiki until after he was temp banned from the forum, if I remember right (Matt did the banning). I ended up temp banning him on the wiki too for being a smartass. He's gotten better about things, but he still ends up rubbing people the wrong way.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:54, 15 April 2011 (CDT)
:::Have you tried contacting Bunni here on the wiki about your forum problems?--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 10:06, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== ESU is SWAT ==

In the NYPD, the Emergency Services Unit functions as SWAT in addition to other duties.

--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:20, 16 April 2011 (CDT)

You did take a look at the official NYPD website, right? [http://www.nyc.gov/html/doc/html/about/esu.shtml] They perform the tactical duties, but are not called SWAT.

== Created Gun Tables ==

If you are thinking about converting the gun pages to the table format, please use the table as seen in [[Taurus PT945]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:18, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

In keeping with the actor pages, please arrange by year earliest FIRST for any future revisions (you can keep minigun entries the way they are). For the videogame tables, just eliminate the "Actor" box. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:58, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare ==

Do you feel like helping me look over the page for errors?

== RE: CODBO screenshots ==

Yeah, I had spotted it too, but by that time I had already taken the screenshots. It doesn't look too out of place but the next batch of shots that I plan to upload soon, have the corrected size.--[[User:SB2296|SB2296]] 05:41, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

== Spacing ==

I'm using Internet explorer at 1366 x 768, so I guess it's only in that browser. I'll amend my message. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 30 April 2011 (CDT)

== Re: Re: Call of Duty World at War ==

By your definition, what's to stop people from listing every single howitzer, tank cannon, and other heavy artillery piece imaginable on this site? We have to draw the line somewhere. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:02, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

:In that case, I guess we should get to work listing every time a Tiger tank shows up with its' 88mm gun in a WW2-themed article or when an Abrams fires its' M256 120mm gun in a modern film. You up for cluttering the pages with that extraneous, unnessicary info? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:25, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Spaceart replicas ==

Did someone tell you to remove them? We went over this on the forum. Since we don't have the screen used guns in some cases, they are okay to use. We were planning on removing the links though. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 5 May 2011 (CDT)
:Some were kind of for them, some weren't. http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1662 I thought they were okay representatives to use. If they aren't going to be on the main pages, place them on the talk pages. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:05, 5 May 2011 (CDT)

== Zombie Killer 1995 ==
I'm putting them on so I can remember them better. Sorry for any inconvenience but I will continue to do it, But I will change the jpeg name so that my images won't be uploaded. Is that ok.
==re:thank you==
No problem. If you want I can change the protection for your page to registered users only. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 09:11, 8 May 2011 (CDT)

== That Spambot ==

I guess we'll just have to keep deleting out the entries. Thank for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:00, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

==new actor pages with the gibberish==
Don't bother blanking them. Or marking them. When I delete them, it will only show their contributions and I can double check the ip to make sure I banned it. Talk pages are okay and just revert full pages and we will protect them against further action.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 08:53, 11 May 2011 (CDT)

== Chuck: Thanks for the ID. ==

Thanks for your help. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:22, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

== M2 Browning in Bad Company 2 Vietnam. ==

The M2 Browning is mounted on the M48 Patton Tank, but you maybe know a better picture

maybe its better to just use an standard M2 browning picture, the picture i uploaded isn't the best if you understand--[[User:WorldofTanks|WorldofTanks]] 12:19, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
thx for the upload it looks better now

== Shinji Mikami‎ ==

On IMDB, I only see that he's directed video games. All the directors credited on the site have either two or more films represented on the site or is also an actor who has used a firearm in a production. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:41, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

Adding game directors as a category is getting way too far away from the original purpose of the site. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:06, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Pagecounter ==

How do the pagecouter works on this wiki ?

==Trademark==
Though it's not absolutely necessary, for the longest times people thought Muzzelite was the name of a GUN not the cover. And then people started naming Muzzelite as a generic term for other aftermarket bullpup kits, which it is not. Muzzelite IS a tactical aftermarket accessories company that is independent from Ruger. and their most famous contribution to society is a trademarked line of bullpup kits. at the time the TM was just a way to break people from the bad habit of using the Muzzelite as a generic firearm term, that's all. You're overthinking it. This all happened YEARS before you were a member so don't worry about it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:24, 27 June 2011 (CDT)

==M8A1==
You are correct, your photos are proof that the M8A1 is the base chassis, but I ask where did you get your information? You state that you did research. Did another source correctly identify the tanks? I only ask because the guys at Veluzat themselves erroneously identified the chassis as M48s on the DVD and to me personally. Now you have proven them wrong, but I want to know where else on the net the correct info has been listed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:46, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
::jeez, you send me a message right when I'm fixing the page already..... LOL. I was doing it already :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:48, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:::Though some state that the M8A1 is a derivative of the M41, I wonder how much. The M8A1 has 6 main bogey wheels and four return rollers. The M41 & M42 have only FIVE Main bogey wheels and three return roller. That indicates a completely different frame. Just noting. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 14:55, 29 June 2011 (CDT)

== Help needed ==

Hi. I'm working on a page for the film "Derailed". There was a S&W pistol, what the detective ID'd as a Smith & Wesson Model 5906. However it had those bigger sights, like the one on this image:
[[Image:Pix1264003015.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9mm]]
It this a very early M5906? I thought I ask you since you visit the site every day, and know a lot about guns. :) Thanks in advance. P.S.: I added an image of a WW2 "thing" onto the talk page of [[Clive Barker's Jericho]]. You have any idea what that is? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 09:55, 5 July 2011 (CDT)
:'''Never mind, I figured out that Smith and Wesson thing...''' - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:31, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

::Thanks a lot for the help with that shitty WW2 gun. I thought it will be some kind of mortar or something like that. I think it should ''not'' be added to the page, what do you think? I also added the M26 MASS, I found in the manual that it is an "XM-26 semi-auto shotgun", LOL. Just a little trivia: I was really disappointed with F3AR (and I think you were also - at least that's what I've figured out of the talk page), but this game is pretty sick, I bought it in 2008 but haven't played it till now. I played it tru 5 times in the last week. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 06:00, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

==D-War==
Unless you know for sure with a verifiable source be careful NOT to declare it as a definite fact. The reason why I said that is I recently went by a movie tank farm where they had lightweight Abrahms 'dummies' that ran on some sort of small vehicle for deep background shots. Sure, lots of movies like to CGI duplicate but there are some times when the film wants people interacting with the tanks in the distance. Thanks for the note though. :D [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:49, 5 July 2011 (CDT)

==Re: Ace Combat==

That's a good question. I have the PS2 titles in the series myself and have played the demo for ''AC6'', but lack a means to take screenshots that wouldn't look like crap. Ideally, I'd like to see the weapon ports for each aircraft mentioned in the articles (ideally with the gun firing so as to show the viewer where the firing port is via the muzzle flash), but I know that might be a bit excessive with some of the games such as ''The Unsung War'' which has something like 16 aircraft that all use the [[M61 Vulcan]] cannon. If my ideal suggestion is not possible, then try to get the player characters' signature aircraft (F-14A Tomcat in ''AC5'', F-22A Raptor in ''AC04'', F-15C Eagle in ''AC Zero'', F-16C Fighting Falcon & F-15E Strike Eagle in ''AC6'', etc.). I greatly appreciate your interest in helping to complete these articles, and look forward to seeing your input on them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

:I would exercise caution with some of the ground vehicle weapons, as that can easily stray into territory not within the scope of the wiki. If you can find a tank or APC with a machine gun or a ZSU-23 AA gun, that's fine, but please avoid things like heavy artillery systems or large-caliber flak guns. There is also a screenshot I would like to see for the ''AC5'' article, but it's extremely difficult to get; namely an image of the player's aircraft being engaged by a [[FIM-92A Stinger]] in "Powderkeg" with the Yuktobanian radio chatter that specifically mentions that weapon system by name. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 04:43, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

::The 'tricky' part of the "Powderkeg" shot I mentioned is having that piece of dialogue appear at the same time as you're being engaged by said SAM. Both things happen at random during the mission if I remember correctly, so getting them to happen together so as to create a decent screenshot could be difficult. I also thought of another shot I would like to see for ''AC Zero''; a pic of a Belkan BM-335 bomber firing its defensive M61 Vulcan armament (I've noticed that the BM-335 seems to be the only heavy bomber in the series thus far that has any defensive gun armament; the in-game B-52's & Tu-95's appear to have been 'neutered'). [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 05:07, 6 July 2011 (CDT)

== Payday is deleted ==

Thanks for the heads up --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:56, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

==Rank changes==
Navy ranks are abbreviated differently. Listing a US Navy Lieutenant as "Lt." is not correct. See the link. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:US_officer_ranks] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:28, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:We're not talking about Jessica Biel or Josh Lucas, we're talking about their characters, who are US Navy Lieutenants. If we're going to bother listing their ranks, we might as well do it correctly. And as I said, "Lt." is not shorthand for a US Navy Lieutenant, "LT" is. If you want to write out the whole rank, go ahead. But if you're going to abbreviate it, then do it correctly. You noticed I left non-naval ranks alone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:44, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
::I thought being correct trumped readability. "Lt." may be short for the *word* "Lieutenant," but we're talking about the specific rank. And it's not just an administrative choice, navy LTs a different grade than Army/AF/MC lieutenants, just as Army/AF/MC Captains are different than Navy/CG Captains. Using the proper abbreviations helps in differentiating them. [http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=266] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:12, 8 July 2011 (CDT)
:::"I don't know, if you're trying to educate people there's no point being correct if nobody understands you're correct..." Really? On the website that tracks *46* variants of what most people would just call a "Colt .45?" (And at least thirty variants of what laymen would just call an M16.) If you want to write out the full rank, go ahead, but keep in mind, the abbreviations do exist for a reason. And of course there are no hard feelings, we're resolving this like reasonable adults. As for [[Stealth]], I think it A) REALLY deserved a good video game adaptation, B) felt like a fifth grader's attempt to remake "2001: A Space Odyssey," C) is an absolutely gorgeous, yet absolutely terrible film, like [[Pearl Harbor]], and D) like Pearl Harbor, makes me wonder if the Navy leaves deciding whether or not to assist on a film to a chimp. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:05, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
::::It is what it is. If people see a someone in a naval uniform with LT in front of his or her name, and can't figure out it's short of Lieutenant, then I don't know what we can do. If we can educate people, I think we should. (Just be happy there aren't any Rear Admirals here. Explaining RDML and RADM would be a pain.) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the Ace Combat series. (I haven't had a PS2 in four years, and yet still have my copies of AC04, AC5, and Zero just in case I do get one again.) Considering it's taken them FOUR YEARS to make a console sequel to AC6, I'm willing to make room for a few clones, like a Stealth game. (As long as it's good. The HAWX series is really disappointing.) How desperate was I for another AC game? I actually thought about getting a Wii just so I can play Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 01:53, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, those UAV missions were just lazy. And that just sums up the entire HAWX franchise. The gameplay is somewhat close to the AC series, but it just lacks polish. The cutscenes in HAWX 1 were some of the worst I've ever seen. BTW, I saw your note to Bunni about the cache issue. I got the same issue two weeks ago, but with a different user. I tried clicking on those same pictures you mentioned, and I'm in as a different, albeit logged out user. If I click back, I'm back in. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 11:35, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Sarcasm ==

There is no need for you to leave sarcastic comments on talk pages. Don't delete my comments and leave your saracasm on there. Grow up

There is no need for you to add that in the talk. What is the point of it? I'm going to delete it.

Don't removie my posts if your just complaing about people doing the same thing to you.

If they ban me they would have to ban you. There is no reason to leave your sarcastic comment on that page. Like I stated earlier GROW UP

No Funkychinaman answered my question you just addaded your two cents in when there was no need for it.

Yeah Ben41 warned me but did you see that he didn't delete anything I posted on the talk page, no he didn't. I could keep this up all day your comment will be removed, your not an administrator either

== How to make new pages/articles ==

Hi there i may wanna create a page for the game "Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West"

My question is how i create new pages ?

==Steyr AUG==
Those images of soldiers using the gun in the field are not usable for 'gun images'. Sorry. Please remove them. We only allow stand alone images of guns, NOT news or media release photos of them in the field. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:19, 11 July 2011 (CDT)
::Doesn't matter if they offer a better view of the weapon. Even up to the big crew served weapons and gun platforms, IMFDB tries to put solo pics up, no pics from field use. Put those type of pics in the discussion page. Other than that, only sterile Gun only pics are allowed as gun photos on the gun pages and movie pages. Thanks. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 16:43, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== Cloudflare ==

Good catch - I'm going to see if there's any way to exclude some pages from the cache and force them to update every time. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 19:28, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Jason Lee==
I'm opting not to make a page for [[Stealth]]'s Jason Lee since he's only got one film credit. If there's a need, I'm leaning toward using the IMDB name of Jason Lee (IX). --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 21:58, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

==Stealth==
The standard format for IMFDB is to start with the smallest weapons first and move towards bigger ones. The page as it is now is really jarring since the GUN PLATFORMS and CREW SERVED weapons are first. That's the opposite of how IMFDB pages have been traditionally. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:48, 12 July 2011 (CDT)

==battling comments and deletions==
So whats the deal with you and this noob? [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 13:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== Supernatural ==
I'll leave it up for now. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:36, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

== New User ==

Hey man, I just thought it would be funny to create my name like this. I'm not here to go around harass people and cause trouble jd0555--[[User:Jd0555|Jd0555]] 11:51, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: Bah, ain't that what they all say? After all, aliens always say 'We come in peace/we mean no harm' even if they intend to destroy us all. :P [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:02, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

I mean yeah a little it got you a little upset :p. Like I said I'm not here to start trouble

Well right now (even though I agree with you, but would that hold up in a court of law?) lets wait and see. if he starts acting up I have no trouble with blocking him. and I know MPM2008 won't have any trouble doing that either. Nor will Ben --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:13, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

==RE: Language==

That was just a thought on my part. And to me, if it was one line that's one thing - but two makes it a different case - a pattern. If he's deliberately trying to get pages censored that's not right. You should make a note of that to Ben. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 12:09, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:: He's done it again, and now I'm seriously starting to think that either he's intentionally doing it just to be annoying. I've brought this back up with Ben, and also have brought it to attention of Predator20 and JCordell. This has now started to tick me off and I'm starting to see it as a real problem. I want to know what this guy's deal is. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 14:37, 17 July 2011 (CDT)

== Profanity ==

The amount of offensive language should be kept at a minimum level in order to maintain the professionalism of the site. The quotes were removed because they were not overly important to the screencap. I don't think I'll be going through and removing all profanity, but I don't want users to ask why we allow profanity on the movie pages and not in discussions. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

Those comments were made long before the [[Rules, Standards and Principles]] were finalized and now it's been stated that swearing should be kept at a minimum. I just removed a (now banned) user's comments due to the profanity. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:41, 15 July 2011 (CDT)

==Wrong?==
Instead of putting just "Wrong" when correcting a misidentified weapon, you could also put a reason down. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:35, 18 July 2011 (CDT)

== Re. communication on IMFDB ==

Thanks for your quick reaction, this is much appreciated!

I now understand the 'logic' and I will indeed make replies on somebody's user talk page so that the person gets a notice. --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 03:39, 20 July 2011 (CDT)

==zastava==
don't remove the note. Instead point to it and publicly shame me into actually getting around to DOING IT! LOL. hahahaha. I forgot because I just haven't seen that note in a long time (and when you mentioned it I did a "DOH!!!!") It's a wee bit tough since all those Yugo AK variants are in a vault about 65 miles away from my home (though I live in a major metro area of California, the state government of CA won't allow those types of restricted weapons in major dense population centers, even though the movies are all shot here, but we know how stupid most politicians are.....) I haven't had time to photograph that and many other weapons since I've been working non-stop (gotta grab the work when it happens, since there are LONG times of 'famine' in this biz). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:54, 21 July 2011 (CDT) Thanks for the reminder. I will try to do that soon.

== Thanks for the help ==

Hey Evil Tim, thanks for help undoing that spammer's work, My computer was terribly slow on those last two pages and I couldn't undo them as quickly as I would have liked too, so thank you for that too. You are a great contributor to the site, and keep up the great work.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:51, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

==MGS4 Page==
I actually just utilized HD youtube vids, not really tech savvy enough to use a capture card I guess. I agree on the M67 image, that was a random shot I found on google, and if you can replace it with a better one, please feel free.

I planned to capture shots from MGS2 and 3 as well, but there aren't very good quality videos out there, and since the HD remakes are coming out in the fall, I'll wait until then to find better quality shots to upload. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==terror scoped rifle the saboteur==

sorry to ask but can you find out for me what type of gun the terror scoped rifle is :)[[user:cbeattie]]14:49

== Human Revolution ==

Hi. Are you planning to finish the page for this year's best game? I have it but have no time to upload so feel free to finish tha page. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 12:25, 30 August 2011 (CDT)

== Just Cause 2 M249 ==

Does it really feed from the underside in the game? To me it looks like the screenshot could be misleading. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 15:01, 31 August 2011 (CDT)

== G11 Magazine ==
Huh, I thought that the stick was simply just a block of rounds stuck together and the weapon consumes the entire thing. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that. --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 08:52, 1 September 2011 (CDT)

== Captions ==

Hi. I was randomly browsing through IMFDB pages and stumbled upon [[Far Cry 2]] page. I just have to say: "This is amazing work!" Can you please list the pages that you've personally captioned? It would be much appreciated :) --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 15:14, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

:Thanks :D --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:21, 15 September 2011 (CDT)

== Renaming pages ==

Hi Tim, thanks for your comments. I followed your instructions and [[Attack on Leningrad]] was created in just seconds. Jolly good! --[[User:PeeWee055|PeeWee055]] 08:36, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

== bioshock ==

Hey man, didnt mean to get rude with the bioshcok "machine gun". I get defensive at times, I apologize for my rude behavior.--Gunner5

==about==

what all that about on the saboteur ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 14:20, 8 September 2011 (CDT))

== User: Cbeattie ==

Can I please have some help? Cbeattie is bugging the living hell out of me. ಠ_ಠ Just look at the "Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur" and the "sabouter 44 pistol" section on my talk page. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:33, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

sorry to ask what is that rifle on your main page
please ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 10:32, 20 September 2011 (CDT))
thank you

You don't get it the terror scoped rifle is real it is a ZH-29 with a few mods so it fits sean if you don't belive me i have proof on the wiki page ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:47, 20 September 2011 (CDT))

==re:CB==
Alright, you're going to have to go into more detail about what the problem is. I can't ban him just because he's disagreeing with another member. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 11:43, 20 September 2011 (CDT)

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''The Saboteur'' is a 2009 action-adventure developed by the now closed Pandemic Studios, published by Electronic Arts, about an Irish race driver turned saboteur who tries to avenge the death of his best friend in Nazi-occupied France by killing the man responsible, demolishing as much of the Third Reich's hardware as possible in the process.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''The Saboteur'':'''

[[Image:Saboteur - CoverArt.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Saboteur'' (2009)]]
__TOC__ 

= Handguns =

== Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model ==

The [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith & Wesson 2ND Model|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model]] appears as the ".44 Pistol", but it has an unsupported ejector rod. Strangely it uses the same ammo as both the Kruger and the Raum pistols. It is a 1 hit kill weapon. Sean calls it a "Yankee Hand Cannon" and states that "One shot will turn the Krauts insides into Shepherd's pie. But watch out. She's a bitch to reload." Another oddity is that it has a target front sight and a fixed rear sight.

[[Image:HE2ndTarget.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model, Target Configuration - .44 S&W Special]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ".44 Pistol" ingame. Note the inventory depicts a stainless steel version. Note the S&W trigger guard on the icon version.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht officer contemplates committing suicide in "Angel of Death", Act II, the .44 revolver in hand.]]

== Beretta M1934 ==

A Beretta Model 1934 is shown on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade that can be bought at gunshops.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the left.]]

== Luger P08 ==

The [[Luger P08]] appears as the "Kruger pistol". Uses pistol ammo. Dierker, the main villain, uses a modified version called the "Executioner pistol". It has a brass-knuckles-like finger guard, a knife attached to the base plate of the magazine and fires fully automatic; it's Dierker's weapon of choice and can be obtained by killing him, or be bought from any Weapons Dealer after the game is finished. It, too, uses pistol ammo and is able to take out pretty much any human enemy in one shot.

[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dierker holds his modified [[Luger P08]] during Act I, "The Darkest Night".]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean struggles with a fake Dr. Kessler in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean steps between Skylar and her intended victim at the beginning of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Mauser M712 ==

Appears as the "Raum pistol". Uses pistol ammo, explained by it being a Red 9 (9mm version), though that is never mentioned.
It's actually a [[Mauser C96#Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer|Mauser M712]], the select fire version of the C96, evident by the detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - C96.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser M712 ingame.]]

== Walther PPK ==

The [[Walther PPK]] appears as the "Silenced pistol". The suppressor and the weapon description stating that this weapon was popular among British spies is obviously a reference to James Bond. Uses silenced pistol ammo.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK fitted with a sound suppressor - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Suppressed Walther PPK ingame.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Also seen on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the right.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MP40 ==

Appears as the [[MP40]]. Both the Resistance and the German military uses it. Sean says it "is as common as hookers in Paris, and seen about as much action", which is somewhat inaccurate in real life.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

A hybrid [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] appears as the "Tommy-MG". Mostly found in supply crates and used by high level Résistance members. It looks like a M1A1, but fitted with a 50 round drum which the M1A1 was not designed to accept.

[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Thompson Submachine Gun ingame.]]

== Sten Mk. 2 ==

Silenced [[Sten]] Mk. 2. Appears as the "Viper SMG". Uses silenced machine gun ammo.

[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II fitted with silencer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Sten.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A female Résistance member holds a Sten Mk II in the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

= Rifles =

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==

The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] appears as the "MP44 MG". Shares the ammo with the MP40 and the Tommy gun, which is definitely unrealistic. The first appearance in the game took place during the Battle of France in 1940, a full 2 years before it was widely distributed to German troops.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:MP44Saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean fires the [[Sturmgewehr 44]] in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]

[[Image:MP44saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean takes cover, Stg 44 in hand.]]

== Gewehr 98==
The [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Gewehr 98]] appears as the "Steiner Rifle" (a possibly nod to [[Cross of Iron]], as the protagionist was named Steiner). It uses rifle ammo. A scoped version also appears, which uses sniper ammo. Both versions are semi-auto in-game

[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle" scoped]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle"]]

== Henry-Martini.22 ==

Appears as the "Hunting rifle". Uses rifle ammo.

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vernoique aims the "Hunting Rifle" in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Hunting Rifle".]]

== Mauser Karabiner 98K ==

The [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98K]] appears as the "Carbine" (which is inaccurate since it's rifle). A scoped version is available. The normal (unscoped) version uses rifle ammo, the scoped version uses sniper rifle ammo.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar982.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Karabiner K98k ingame.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k with scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean Devlin holds a scoped Mauser K98k.]]

== Terror sniper rifle ==

A automatic sniper rifle that fires 5 gauge shotgun ammo. Despite labelled as a "Terror" weapon, it is never actually used by Terror troops. Uses Terror rifle ammo.

Resembles a us pederson rifle .

== Terror MP60 ==

Fictional automatic weapons used by the "Terror troops", German elite soldiers. Despite being labelled as an "MP" (Maschinenpistole/Submachine gun), it rather resembles a light machine gun. Uses Terror MG ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During "Boiling Point", Act II, Devlin holds the MP60.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Terror Trooper holds the MP60 in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

= Shotguns =

== Merkel 147 shotgun ==

Appears as the "Double barreled shotgun". Uses shotgun ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Double barreled Shotgun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean with the shotgun.]]

== Winchester model 1912 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as the "Trench gun".This is unrealistic because the German military had always detested the use of shotguns in warfare. The name Trench Gun is a nickname for the Winchester models 1897 and 1912 that were modified for US military use during WWI and WWII.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Trench gun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht soldier holds the "Trench Gun" during "The Bavarian Candidate", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc (right) holds the "Trench Gun" at the end of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Terror Shotgun ==
An automatic shotgun, resembling the [[AA-12]] and other modern combat shotguns. Another fictional weapon used by the "Terror troops". Uses Terror shotgun ammo. Again this is unrealistic for the German military at the time because they and most of the other European powers don't use shotguns in their military.

[[Image:Saboteur - TerrShot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Terror Shotgun, note the dedicated forend weaponlight.]]

= Heavy Weapons =

== MG42 ==

The [[MG42|Maschinengewehr Model 42]] is seen mounted on Kübelwagen and in fortified positions. The front end looks like the MG42, but the back end looks like the Browning machine guns

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[MG42]] mounted on a catwalk on the Island of Notre Dame.]]

== Panzerfaust ==

Appears as the "Siegfaust II". Uses Siegfaust ammo. Unlike the real [[Panzerfaust]], this one in the game had a pistol grip that looks like it was taken from an RPG and it was fired off the shoulder.

[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust - 44mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerfaust ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Siegfaust II".]]

== Panzerschreck ==

Appears as the "Panzerschreck". Uses Panzerschreck ammo

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerschreck ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Panzerschreck.]]

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''The Saboteur'' is a 2009 action-adventure developed by the now closed Pandemic Studios, published by Electronic Arts, about an Irish race driver turned saboteur who tries to avenge the death of his best friend in Nazi-occupied France by killing the man responsible, demolishing as much of the Third Reich's hardware as possible in the process.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''The Saboteur'':'''

[[Image:Saboteur - CoverArt.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Saboteur'' (2009)]]
__TOC__ 

= Handguns =

== Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model ==

The [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith & Wesson 2ND Model|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model]] appears as the ".44 Pistol", but it has an unsupported ejector rod. Strangely it uses the same ammo as both the Kruger and the Raum pistols. It is a 1 hit kill weapon. Sean calls it a "Yankee Hand Cannon" and states that "One shot will turn the Krauts insides into Shepherd's pie. But watch out. She's a bitch to reload." Another oddity is that it has a target front sight and a fixed rear sight.

[[Image:HE2ndTarget.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model, Target Configuration - .44 S&W Special]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ".44 Pistol" ingame. Note the inventory depicts a stainless steel version. Note the S&W trigger guard on the icon version.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht officer contemplates committing suicide in "Angel of Death", Act II, the .44 revolver in hand.]]

== Beretta M1934 ==

A Beretta Model 1934 is shown on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade that can be bought at gunshops.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the left.]]

== Luger P08 ==

The [[Luger P08]] appears as the "Kruger pistol". Uses pistol ammo. Dierker, the main villain, uses a modified version called the "Executioner pistol". It has a brass-knuckles-like finger guard, a knife attached to the base plate of the magazine and fires fully automatic; it's Dierker's weapon of choice and can be obtained by killing him, or be bought from any Weapons Dealer after the game is finished. It, too, uses pistol ammo and is able to take out pretty much any human enemy in one shot.

[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dierker holds his modified [[Luger P08]] during Act I, "The Darkest Night".]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean struggles with a fake Dr. Kessler in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean steps between Skylar and her intended victim at the beginning of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Mauser M712 ==

Appears as the "Raum pistol". Uses pistol ammo, explained by it being a Red 9 (9mm version), though that is never mentioned.
It's actually a [[Mauser C96#Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer|Mauser M712]], the select fire version of the C96, evident by the detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - C96.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser M712 ingame.]]

== Walther PPK ==

The [[Walther PPK]] appears as the "Silenced pistol". The suppressor and the weapon description stating that this weapon was popular among British spies is obviously a reference to James Bond. Uses silenced pistol ammo.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK fitted with a sound suppressor - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Suppressed Walther PPK ingame.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Also seen on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the right.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MP40 ==

Appears as the [[MP40]]. Both the Resistance and the German military uses it. Sean says it "is as common as hookers in Paris, and seen about as much action", which is somewhat inaccurate in real life.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

A hybrid [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] appears as the "Tommy-MG". Mostly found in supply crates and used by high level Résistance members. It looks like a M1A1, but fitted with a 50 round drum which the M1A1 was not designed to accept.

[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Thompson Submachine Gun ingame.]]

== Sten Mk. 2 ==

Silenced [[Sten]] Mk. 2. Appears as the "Viper SMG". Uses silenced machine gun ammo.

[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II fitted with silencer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Sten.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A female Résistance member holds a Sten Mk II in the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

= Rifles =

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==

The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] appears as the "MP44 MG". Shares the ammo with the MP40 and the Tommy gun, which is definitely unrealistic. The first appearance in the game took place during the Battle of France in 1940, a full 2 years before it was widely distributed to German troops.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:MP44Saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean fires the [[Sturmgewehr 44]] in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]

[[Image:MP44saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean takes cover, Stg 44 in hand.]]

== Gewehr 98==
The [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Gewehr 98]] appears as the "Steiner Rifle" (a possibly nod to [[Cross of Iron]], as the protagionist was named Steiner). It uses rifle ammo. A scoped version also appears, which uses sniper ammo. Both versions are semi-auto in-game

[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle" scoped]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle"]]

== Henry-Martini.22 ==

Appears as the "Hunting rifle". Uses rifle ammo.

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vernoique aims the "Hunting Rifle" in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Hunting Rifle".]]

== Mauser Karabiner 98K ==

The [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98K]] appears as the "Carbine" (which is inaccurate since it's rifle). A scoped version is available. The normal (unscoped) version uses rifle ammo, the scoped version uses sniper rifle ammo.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar982.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Karabiner K98k ingame.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k with scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean Devlin holds a scoped Mauser K98k.]]

== Terror sniper rifle ==

A semi-automatic sniper rifle that fires 5 gauge shotgun ammo. Despite labelled as a "Terror" weapon, it is never actually used by Terror troops. Uses Terror rifle ammo.

Resembles a ZH-29 semi-auto.

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== Terror MP60 ==

Fictional automatic weapons used by the "Terror troops", German elite soldiers. Despite being labelled as an "MP" (Maschinenpistole/Submachine gun), it rather resembles a light machine gun. Uses Terror MG ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During "Boiling Point", Act II, Devlin holds the MP60.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Terror Trooper holds the MP60 in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

= Shotguns =

== Merkel 147 shotgun ==

Appears as the "Double barreled shotgun". Uses shotgun ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Double barreled Shotgun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean with the shotgun.]]

== Winchester model 1912 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as the "Trench gun".This is unrealistic because the German military had always detested the use of shotguns in warfare. The name Trench Gun is a nickname for the Winchester models 1897 and 1912 that were modified for US military use during WWI and WWII.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Trench gun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht soldier holds the "Trench Gun" during "The Bavarian Candidate", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc (right) holds the "Trench Gun" at the end of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Terror Shotgun ==
An automatic shotgun, resembling the [[AA-12]] and other modern combat shotguns. Another fictional weapon used by the "Terror troops". Uses Terror shotgun ammo. Again this is unrealistic for the German military at the time because they and most of the other European powers don't use shotguns in their military.

[[Image:Saboteur - TerrShot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Terror Shotgun, note the dedicated forend weaponlight.]]

= Heavy Weapons =

== MG42 ==

The [[MG42|Maschinengewehr Model 42]] is seen mounted on Kübelwagen and in fortified positions. The front end looks like the MG42, but the back end looks like the Browning machine guns

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[MG42]] mounted on a catwalk on the Island of Notre Dame.]]

== Panzerfaust ==

Appears as the "Siegfaust II". Uses Siegfaust ammo. Unlike the real [[Panzerfaust]], this one in the game had a pistol grip that looks like it was taken from an RPG and it was fired off the shoulder.

[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust - 44mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerfaust ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Siegfaust II".]]

== Panzerschreck ==

Appears as the "Panzerschreck". Uses Panzerschreck ammo

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerschreck ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Panzerschreck.]]

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User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-09-07T08:54:08Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]
==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

i have found out what it is it is a modified vesion of the Mondragón rifle whitch has the exact same shape and also can change ammo and fires auto ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:57, 4 September 2011 (CDT))

:Okay, good for you. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:23, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

or it could be a t3 vickers-pederson rifle prototype have a look :) ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 05:24, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Mondrag%C3%B3n+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=px2Xoysrad5zSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php%3F3288-306-Garand-picture-of-the-Day-How-well-do-you-know-your-Garands&docid=L57cm9boL_ALHM&w=750&h=321&ei=PKRkToOCEdGv8QP-s82gCg&zoom=1]

or the ZH-29.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 06:56, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ZH-29+Semi-automatic+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=4YcPhvuAH54LHM:&imgrefurl=http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/17446-chinese-weapons-of-ww2-question/&docid=WnMc7r1cLCLW4M&w=1019&h=202&ei=6apkTvn0EMWn8QPz3uCKCg&zoom=1]

or the Farquhar-Hill Hybrid
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Farquhar-Hill+Hybrid&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=R4oaNBq_qF7uXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/collections_view.aspx%3Fid%3D151&docid=exQjKyiwpZjUFM&w=440&h=124&ei=qrhkTtWiMsnG8QOhnKClCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=1&tbnh=48&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=135&ty=29]

they all can be fitted with scopes

:I looked at the pic of the Terror Scoped rifle I have, and unfortunately it looks like none of these rifles. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

i started to think you where good at identfyinf weapons but obisly not. :((( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:51, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

Well it looks ulmost identical to the ZH-29 WITH MODS THAT EVERY WORLD WAR 2 sniper has to fit its owner perfectly quit frankly it IS the ZH-29 with some mods a will list if you want ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:16, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

:The ZH-29's magazine is too big and too far forward to be the Terror Rifle and the receiver is too squired. And the Terror Rifle isn't modded, it just has a scope. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:35, 6 September 2011 (CDT)

stop being a dork it is the ZH-29 just because don't think so keep it to youre self and if you can find a gun that looks more like it please share it ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 03:54, 7 September 2011 (CDT))

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

listen user make your own talk page so we don,t have to talk about this on Mr wolf's page I am not cjbeattie I am cbeattie if you persist to make me out to be someone I am not I will have to complain and get you banned.

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Changing captions in gun images ==

Please do not change captions in the stock gun images if it's mentioned that the weapon pictured is an actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:48, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I did it because it looked cluttered on Movie pages, I didn't change it on the Weapon page itself. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-09-06T19:13:06Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]
==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

i have found out what it is it is a modified vesion of the Mondragón rifle whitch has the exact same shape and also can change ammo and fires auto ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:57, 4 September 2011 (CDT))

:Okay, good for you. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:23, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

or it could be a t3 vickers-pederson rifle prototype have a look :) ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 05:24, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Mondrag%C3%B3n+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=px2Xoysrad5zSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php%3F3288-306-Garand-picture-of-the-Day-How-well-do-you-know-your-Garands&docid=L57cm9boL_ALHM&w=750&h=321&ei=PKRkToOCEdGv8QP-s82gCg&zoom=1]

or the ZH-29.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 06:56, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ZH-29+Semi-automatic+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=4YcPhvuAH54LHM:&imgrefurl=http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/17446-chinese-weapons-of-ww2-question/&docid=WnMc7r1cLCLW4M&w=1019&h=202&ei=6apkTvn0EMWn8QPz3uCKCg&zoom=1]

or the Farquhar-Hill Hybrid
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Farquhar-Hill+Hybrid&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=R4oaNBq_qF7uXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/collections_view.aspx%3Fid%3D151&docid=exQjKyiwpZjUFM&w=440&h=124&ei=qrhkTtWiMsnG8QOhnKClCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=1&tbnh=48&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=135&ty=29]

they all can be fitted with scopes

:I looked at the pic of the Terror Scoped rifle I have, and unfortunately it looks like of these rifles. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

i started to think you where good at identfyinf weapons but obisly not. :((( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:51, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

Well it looks ulmost identical to the ZH-29 WITH MODS THAT EVERY WORLD WAR 2 sniper has to fit its owner perfectly quit frankly it IS the ZH-29 with some mods a will list if you want ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:16, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

listen user make your own talk page so we don,t have to talk about this on Mr wolf's page I am not cjbeattie I am cbeattie if you persist to make me out to be someone I am not I will have to complain and get you banned.

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Changing captions in gun images ==

Please do not change captions in the stock gun images if it's mentioned that the weapon pictured is an actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:48, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I did it because it looked cluttered on Movie pages, I didn't change it on the Weapon page itself. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)

The Saboteur

2011-09-06T09:58:41Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror sniper rifle */

''The Saboteur'' is a 2009 action-adventure developed by the now closed Pandemic Studios, published by Electronic Arts, about an Irish race driver turned saboteur who tries to avenge the death of his best friend in Nazi-occupied France by killing the man responsible, demolishing as much of the Third Reich's hardware as possible in the process.

'''The following weapons appear in the video game ''The Saboteur'':'''

[[Image:Saboteur - CoverArt.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Saboteur'' (2009)]]
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= Handguns =

== Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model ==

The [[Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector Series#44 Smith & Wesson 2ND Model|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model]] appears as the ".44 Pistol", but it has an unsupported ejector rod. Strangely it uses the same ammo as both the Kruger and the Raum pistols. It is a 1 hit kill weapon. Sean calls it a "Yankee Hand Cannon" and states that "One shot will turn the Krauts insides into Shepherd's pie. But watch out. She's a bitch to reload." Another oddity is that it has a target front sight and a fixed rear sight.

[[Image:HE2ndTarget.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model, Target Configuration - .44 S&W Special]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The ".44 Pistol" ingame. Note the inventory depicts a stainless steel version. Note the S&W trigger guard on the icon version.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Rev2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht officer contemplates committing suicide in "Angel of Death", Act II, the .44 revolver in hand.]]

== Beretta M1934 ==

A Beretta Model 1934 is shown on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade that can be bought at gunshops.
[[Image:Beretta Model 1934 Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Model 1934 - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the left.]]

== Luger P08 ==

The [[Luger P08]] appears as the "Kruger pistol". Uses pistol ammo. Dierker, the main villain, uses a modified version called the "Executioner pistol". It has a brass-knuckles-like finger guard, a knife attached to the base plate of the magazine and fires fully automatic; it's Dierker's weapon of choice and can be obtained by killing him, or be bought from any Weapons Dealer after the game is finished. It, too, uses pistol ammo and is able to take out pretty much any human enemy in one shot.

[[Image:P08Luger1917.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Luger P08 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Dierker holds his modified [[Luger P08]] during Act I, "The Darkest Night".]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean struggles with a fake Dr. Kessler in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Luger2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean steps between Skylar and her intended victim at the beginning of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Mauser M712 ==

Appears as the "Raum pistol". Uses pistol ammo, explained by it being a Red 9 (9mm version), though that is never mentioned.
It's actually a [[Mauser C96#Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer|Mauser M712]], the select fire version of the C96, evident by the detachable box magazine holding 20 rounds.

[[Image:MauserM712Schnellfeuer.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mauser M712 Schnellfeuer - 7.63x25mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - C96.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser M712 ingame.]]

== Walther PPK ==

The [[Walther PPK]] appears as the "Silenced pistol". The suppressor and the weapon description stating that this weapon was popular among British spies is obviously a reference to James Bond. Uses silenced pistol ammo.

[[Image:WaltherPPKSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK fitted with a sound suppressor - .380 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Suppressed Walther PPK ingame.]]

== Walther P38 ==
Also seen on the picture for the "Uprising" upgrade.
[[Image:P38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P38 pistol (manufactured at the Mauser Factory) - World War II dated - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - ShopInvet.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Second handgun from the right.]]

= Submachine Guns =
== MP40 ==

Appears as the [[MP40]]. Both the Resistance and the German military uses it. Sean says it "is as common as hookers in Paris, and seen about as much action", which is somewhat inaccurate in real life.

[[Image:MP40.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MP40 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:MP40saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|]]

== Thompson Submachine Gun ==

A hybrid [[Thompson Submachine Gun]] appears as the "Tommy-MG". Mostly found in supply crates and used by high level Résistance members. It looks like a M1A1, but fitted with a 50 round drum which the M1A1 was not designed to accept.

[[Image:M1928A1Drum.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1928A1 Thompson with 50-round drum magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:M1sb.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1A1 Thompson with 30-round magazine - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Thompson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Thompson Submachine Gun ingame.]]

== Sten Mk. 2 ==

Silenced [[Sten]] Mk. 2. Appears as the "Viper SMG". Uses silenced machine gun ammo.

[[Image:StenMKIISilenced.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sten Mk II fitted with silencer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Sten.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A female Résistance member holds a Sten Mk II in the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

= Rifles =

== Sturmgewehr 44 ==

The [[Sturmgewehr 44]] appears as the "MP44 MG". Shares the ammo with the MP40 and the Tommy gun, which is definitely unrealistic. The first appearance in the game took place during the Battle of France in 1940, a full 2 years before it was widely distributed to German troops.

[[Image:Sturmgewehr_44.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sturmgewehr 44 - 7.92x33mm]]

[[Image:MP44Saboteur.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean fires the [[Sturmgewehr 44]] in "Rolling Thunder", Act II.]]

[[Image:MP44saboteur2.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Sean takes cover, Stg 44 in hand.]]

== Gewehr 98==
The [[Mauser Gewehr 1898|Gewehr 98]] appears as the "Steiner Rifle" (a possibly nod to [[Cross of Iron]], as the protagionist was named Steiner). It uses rifle ammo. A scoped version also appears, which uses sniper ammo. Both versions are semi-auto in-game

[[Image:Mauser g98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mauser 1898 - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle" scoped]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Steiner2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Steiner Rifle"]]

== Henry-Martini.22 ==

Appears as the "Hunting rifle". Uses rifle ammo.

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vernoique aims the "Hunting Rifle" in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

[[Image:Saboteur - HunRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Hunting Rifle".]]

== Mauser Karabiner 98K ==

The [[Karabiner 98k|Karabiner 98K]] appears as the "Carbine" (which is inaccurate since it's rifle). A scoped version is available. The normal (unscoped) version uses rifle ammo, the scoped version uses sniper rifle ammo.

[[Image:Karabiner-98K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar982.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Karabiner K98k ingame.]]
[[Image:Tur3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mauser K98k with scope - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Kar98.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean Devlin holds a scoped Mauser K98k.]]

== Terror scoped rifle ==

A semi-automatic sniper rifle that fires 5 gauge shotgun ammo. Despite labelled as a "Terror" weapon, it is never actually used by Terror troops. Uses Terror rifle ammo.

Resembles a ZH-29 semi-auto rifle .

[[File:http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=terror+scoped+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1441&bih=579&tbm=isch&tbnid=o1uU0ofXY7rS5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.giantbomb.com/terror-scoped-rifle/93-3850/&docid=Lmq07wXh7Ipy7M&w=300&h=269&ei=Ie5lTrGHEczCswaxkICeCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=171&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=171&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=114&ty=67]]

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== Terror MP60 ==

Fictional automatic weapons used by the "Terror troops", German elite soldiers. Despite being labelled as an "MP" (Maschinenpistole/Submachine gun), it rather resembles a light machine gun. Uses Terror MG ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|During "Boiling Point", Act II, Devlin holds the MP60.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MP60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Terror Trooper holds the MP60 in "C'est ici l'empire de la mort", Act III.]]

= Shotguns =

== Merkel 147 shotgun ==

Appears as the "Double barreled shotgun". Uses shotgun ammo.
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Double barreled Shotgun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - DubBar2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean with the shotgun.]]

== Winchester model 1912 ==

The [[Winchester Model 1912]] appears as the "Trench gun".This is unrealistic because the German military had always detested the use of shotguns in warfare. The name Trench Gun is a nickname for the Winchester models 1897 and 1912 that were modified for US military use during WWI and WWII.
[[Image:Winchester Model 1912.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Winchester Model 1912 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The "Trench gun" ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Wehrmacht soldier holds the "Trench Gun" during "The Bavarian Candidate", Act II.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Shotgun3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Luc (right) holds the "Trench Gun" at the end of the Act II mission "Lambs to the Slaughter".]]

== Terror Shotgun ==
An automatic shotgun, resembling the [[AA-12]] and other modern combat shotguns. Another fictional weapon used by the "Terror troops". Uses Terror shotgun ammo. Again this is unrealistic for the German military at the time because they and most of the other European powers don't use shotguns in their military.

[[Image:Saboteur - TerrShot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Terror Shotgun, note the dedicated forend weaponlight.]]

= Heavy Weapons =

== MG42 ==

The [[MG42|Maschinengewehr Model 42]] is seen mounted on Kübelwagen and in fortified positions. The front end looks like the MG42, but the back end looks like the Browning machine guns

[[Image:MG42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|MG42 Machine Gun - 7.92x57mm Mauser]]
[[Image:Saboteur - MG42.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[MG42]] mounted on a catwalk on the Island of Notre Dame.]]

== Panzerfaust ==

Appears as the "Siegfaust II". Uses Siegfaust ammo. Unlike the real [[Panzerfaust]], this one in the game had a pistol grip that looks like it was taken from an RPG and it was fired off the shoulder.

[[Image:Panzerfaust.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerfaust - 44mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerfaust ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzaa2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the "Siegfaust II".]]

== Panzerschreck ==

Appears as the "Panzerschreck". Uses Panzerschreck ammo

[[Image:Tank_h5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Panzerschreck - 88mm]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Panzerschreck ingame.]]
[[Image:Saboteur - Panzerschreck2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sean holds the Panzerschreck.]]

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User talk:Mr. Wolf

2011-09-06T09:51:45Z

Cbeattie: /* Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur */

==Black MAC 10==

It's hard to see, but it's not a reflex sight, it's an MP5 front sight mounted on a riser. If you look carefully at the pic you can see it's got an actual post rather than a projected aim point. Precisely why...Well, it's ''Black''. Sense is not it's strong point. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 07:50, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm, interesting. The pic was too small for me to see it at first glance, it looked like a C-more to me, plus I forgot about the game. XD
::Yeah, it's certainly laid out like a C-More: perhaps the developers saw a picture of one, thought it looked cool and didn't bother to check what it was or how it worked. I certainly know of other games made by people who didn't know how reflex sights work (''Haze'' and ''Blacksite: Area 51'' both feature holographic reflex sights that aren't actually switched on, for example). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:::For some reason it makes think of the stupid extra front sight mounted on USP's RIS in F.E.A.R. 2. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

:Just to add here; I thought you were just basing it on the ".380 SMG" thing, which I was nervous about going with since if that ''is'' ever visible it's only on the XBox version. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:33, 14 June 2011 (CDT)
::Here's the one I was talking about [[http://www.airsoftpost.com/images/large/AR_DE_M11A1_lg.jpg]], this one's similar too [[http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/siopsopmod/DSC_0037.jpg?t=1293345032]].

==Crysis==

Look at it this way: imagine if someone took a copy of Photoshop and built the shape of the PSG-1 out of a photograph of a DSR-1: extended the handguard, put the magazine and grip where they'd be on a PSG-1, made the barrel project way further forward, and so on. That's basically what the DSG-1 seems to have been. The main clue is in the name; the gun is a PSG-1 / DSR-1, so they went halves on what they called it. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== G3KA4 ==

Granted, I'm eyeballing, but it looks more like it's got the carbine-length handguard but with the barrel tip from the full-size rifle, it seems just a little too short to be full-size. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 08:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:No its handguard is not carbine-length and on the wall it's longer than the AK. The K is somewhat near the size of an MP5, the in-game looks like a full-size rifle. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::I've reverted it back to how you had it. I'm not sure, you are, so we'll go with you. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:20, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Why thank you :), But Your are right about it being kinda smallish, look at it compared to the FAL. It looks like a slightly shrunk-down G3A4 pretending to be a G3KA4. lol, Thanks Ubisoft. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

As for the SVD, it's still an odd hold since you'd have to stick the stock ''inside'' your shoulder to get it to look like that. That's largely due to the usual weirdly narrow FPS field of view, mind you; FPS characters only have central vision (and also can't see their own noses). [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:12, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Hmmm. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

You'll forgive me for being a tiny bit overprotective, it did take me 26 hours to screencap that page. :) [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's completely understandable. :) lol, it seems you have quite a few pages here that are your babes. :D I just wanted mainly to "fix" the AR-15 and G3 that have been bugging me for over a year (I joined about a mouth ago). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Well, the idea is it's a quote-unquote AR-16; since it isn't really anything in particular, it would just end up with a mess of weapon pics below it (AR-15s, AR-18s, etc). I think it's best off how it is now, with just the one it's called and isn't. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 10:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, I'm noticing playing through ''Black'' now that ''Far Cry 2's'' devs seem to have got some of their ideas about weapons from it; specifically, it also has the RPG-7 with a side-mounted iron sight and an M249 with a metal ammo drum. Also doing a Let's Play of ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty'' and marvelling at how the devs managed to get literally everything about everything in it wrong, including three weapons with the safeties on. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Interesting. :D I think you meant ''side-ways'' mounted iron sights, Oh and you forgot Call of Duty: Modern Warfare's RPG-7. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]
::Far as I'm aware the RPG-7's iron sight is usually mounted on the top, the Far Cry 2 one just rotates the whole mounting 90 degrees to the left, while the Black one puts it there and turns it vertical, so you might even say Black's is the one that's sideways. I guess they prefer the side mount because bringing the RPG-7 to the middle of the screen to aim down the iron sight doesn't really look like it's over your shoulder so much as stuck through your body. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== M249 ==

Just noticed your edit there; as far as I'm aware, the belt box is correctly called a drum (see [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/c01.htm#sectioni this field manual], for example). I'm not sure if it's just in-the-field slang terms (IIRC the smaller cloth drum is also called a "nutsack," but we probably won't be calling it that), but I've certainly never heard bandoleer used to refer to anything but a belt that you wear on your body, usually for storing single rounds for weapons like M203s and shotguns. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 09:38, 5 March 2011 (MSK)
:All right. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

== Click on my name. ==

The result will amuse you, hopefully. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:13, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:lol, that's awesome! XD - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:20, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:(p.s what game is the last one from?)
::The last one is from Bulletstorm, which is an extremely silly game. Fun game, but the Peacemaker Carbine is one of the most unergonomic and genuinely hideous designs I've ever seen. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 12:39, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:::I agree. At least most HALO weapons seem fairly practical, not including the 12.7x40mm M6 pistols that weigh over 6 lbs. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 12:47, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== For why it's a UCP ==

Click the image and look under where it says "Laser pointer (pistol)." It's got a third control just behind the accessory rail which none of the other three guns have, which suggests most of the HK45-ish features are actually from the UCP; only the milling cut is certainly not from it. As for the P99, I really can't see how it's anything but the grip texture and trigger; the differences could well be because it's also based on the ''other'' UCP ([http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/de/hk-ucp-e.html see here]). [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 05:40, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
* Thing is, with things like that it comes down to I see / you see. Sure, I can see the P99 dismantling button now, but before that it's really just the grip and trigger; I wouldn't say the frame shape is a huge point of calling between P99 and a hybrid of the two UCP designs. I'd say yes, P99 is probably better then. Also, I'm fairly sure ''Black'' calls the revolver an Anaconda, I'll have to check to be certain. Certainly it's not like any normal Anaconda created by human hands, but, as ever, this is ''Black'' we're talking about. I never meant to insult you, I'm sorry if I come across as rude at all. I just try to explain as much as possible in case I'm misunderstood. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 17:12, 6 April 2011 (CDT)
:It's okay. :) But you keep forgetting the trigger guard, which is just like the P99's too, I'm sorry, but a grip, trigger, and trigger guard is more significant than the UCP's "third control lever". On the "Anaconda", don't we on this site identify weapons based on their appearance, not what the developers call it, that's like in a game if they call a M16 a "AK47", we identify it as a "AK47" because they say so. Oh, I was looking at pics of the P99 and UCP and I noticed that their frames look somewhat similar. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:06, 7 April 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, the trigger guard of the UCP is also fairly similar to the P99, at least to my eye; and the gap between the base of the trigger and the bottom of the guard is much smaller on the SOCOM than on the P99. Probably half-and-half there. As for the Anaconda, I think only the bulked-up barrel is really like that Smith & Wesson; I'll wait until I've got some decent shots of it in-game and see what the rest looks like, since that "in-game" shot looks more like a promo render. This unfortunately means I have to do that damn asylum again to get to Nazran Foundry, since my other game has silver weapons and I don't want to screencap those. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 20:42, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::The trigger guard is not like a Anaconda's. Oh, are you gonna change the SOCOM back again. :( I also noticed the mag release on the SOCOM is also from the P99 and the trigger guard is angler like the P99s, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:50, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::No no no, I'm talking about the UCP / P99 trigger guard; they're practically the same shape, and the SOCOM's trigger goes right down to almost touch the guard like the UCP, rather than having a gap like the P99. I'm not changing it back, just re-adding the note that the UCP pictured is a 2004 model since the other one looks totally different. The Anaconda / SW I wouldn't say the trigger guard looked like either of them; I'd be more concerned with what the hammer and cylinder latch looked like, it seems to have a Colt-style latch since if it's like the SW you ''should'' be able to see it from that angle. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:10, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::But the trigger guard on the SOCOM is angler like the P99s, as I said, the UCPs trigger guard is smoother and a bit more rounded. Yes, I do see what you mean about the gap between the trigger and the trigger guard. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:14, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
::::::I can kinda see what you mean, but I don't think there's much need to disagree over it; they're very close to each other, and I think we've found a decent compromise. [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 22:20, 8 April 2011 (CDT)
:::::::Oaky-Doky. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:25, 8 April 2011 (CDT)

== Thanks! ==

It's basically finished barring proofreading now, at least until I feel like going through the game on Hard to get the M16 with M203; even so, we've got pictures of both those weapons now. Glad you like it, and your checks to my edits have been appreciated, especially correctly pointing out what the Magnum actually was; I'd never have thought to make the Magnum = Dirty Harry connection without that. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 22:48, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
:Your welcome. ^^ Hey, I just noticed something while looking over the page is that the "M16" is actually modeled after a [[M16#Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine|Colt AR-15A2 Government Carbine]], the hand-guard and 16" barrel are too short (both in 1st and 3rd person) and is it has a (poorly done) telescoping carbine stock. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 23:01, 14 April 2011 (CDT)
::Thanks for spotting that. As for naming, I think to be consistent with my calling the HK94 an HK94 rather than an "MP5," we'll go with saying AR-15A2 in the captions. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:35, 14 April 2011 (CDT)

== To be honest, I wouldn't mind re-doing those caps completely ==

I've never been a fan of those cropped-right-down-to-the-weapon images the CoD pages use, they look dull and they bugger up the perspective by cutting out the rest of the field of view. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 20 April 2011 (CDT)

== InFamous ==

Thanks for fixing that page. If you can find some cover art, that would be great. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:07, 21 April 2011 (CDT)

:You want me to put that on my rather large list of things I need to cap? I've got a PS3, so it's not like it'd be impossible for me to get around to it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:27, 22 April 2011 (CDT)
::That'd be cool, I don't have a PS3 and don't know squat about InFamous, though I would love to play it. :/ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:11, 22 April 2011 (CDT)

== M21 Image ==
you are right when you say that the M21 Image that was up is a M1A rifle with a scope. I have been trying to clean up the M14 pages with the help of a M14 forum that includes a few experts on the M14 history and developments. Unfortunatly I am having trouble uploading a public domain image of a real M21 Rifle the only one I have found is a B&W US Army image. I've been trying to upload it over POI's missnamed Image.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 21:30, 25 April 2011 (CDT)

==Rename JPG==
Just upload a new image with the new name. I'll delete the other one. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 17:42, 27 April 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:59, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

==Noting the caliber on the lines==
The original nomenclature of this site when it was created by Bunni was that we noted the caliber or gauge whenever possible. Only because newer members either did not know this or people got lazy resulted in so much of the site straying from the style standards created when this site was founded. When in doubt, DO NOT REMOVE the calibers or gauges from the descriptions. That is actually truer to the original style of the site. Until the membership decides to officially change that element of the style, it is NOT incorrect to list them. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:49, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

Oh BTW, welcome to IMFDB. Though you've been a member since Feb 2011, there are many things which were standard since 2007. Since the influx of new members doing a multitude of pages in differing styles, there may be many inconsistencies within IMFDB. Hopefully these will be addressed by the Mods soon. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:54, 27 April 2011 (CDT)

:Alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 00:12, 28 April 2011 (CDT)

==SIG-Sauer P220 page==
Why did you do that?! It broke every section-specific redirect to that page on the site!--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 17:06, 1 May 2011 (CDT)
:Uhh, sorry. ^^; I thought I was just correcting a error, my bad. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 22:55, 1 May 2011 (CDT)

== Fixing vandalism ==

If you want to undo a lot of edits at once, just go to the "history" tab and click the date and time of the revision you want to return it to. So with that one, you'd click "21:25, 1 May 2011." This brings up the old revision. Click "edit" and you'll get the normal edit window with the added note "Warning: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost." Click "save page" and you'll return it to that revision. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:22, 4 May 2011 (CDT)
:Thanks. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:24, 4 May 2011 (CDT)

== THX 4 the help ==
We managed to "resurrect" the [[Peace Walker]] page, thanks for your help. [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:44, 24 May 2011 (CDT)
:Yo welcome. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:45, 24 May 2011 (CDT)

==Removing pics==
Don't remove pics from gun pages if it qualifies. If it is not a commonly used variant you can MOVE the pic to the discussion page, but it's a no no to remove the pic completely. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:02, 25 May 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:46, 25 May 2011 (CDT)

== Incidentally ==

When I talk about lever actions, I'm kinda thinking something like the pair on my user page. Yeah, it's kinda unreasonable, but there's nothing that says "gun" like the sound of a levergun and it annoys me that of the only games I can offhand recall having them, one was the BB gun in ''Fallout 3'' and the other had the misfortune of being in ''Turning Point: Fall of Liberty''. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 08:44, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
:Did you forget Lincoln's Repeater and the Black Water rifle in FO3? In my concept for L4D3 there would be a lever action rifle as a Special weapon. I agree with you, lever-guns don't get enough love in games, but they don't belong in Modern Warfare, sadly, I don't think even in WW1 and WW2 they ever used lever-guns. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 26 May 2011 (CDT)
::I think the Russian army was still using Winchester 1895s in WW1, but the last I can find is the Spanish Civil War. And come on, half the stuff in Modern Warfare doesn't belong in Modern Warfare :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 00:31, 3 June 2011 (CDT)
:::That was about 80 years ago (*shrug*). Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, and so it seems Modern Warfare 3 are kinda silly. :P Still a semi-auto rifle or a assault rifle is better than a lever-gun. But I would still include a lever-gun in some games I would create, like in this Sci-fi one I thought of a character that uses a reproduction 1887 lever-shotgun, god I love that gun. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:25, 3 June 2011 (CDT)

Well, I could only see a lever action in a manual weapon role (ie sniper and ''maybe'' high-precision marksman) or during WW2-era for rifles, but then in the fiction here it's basically the nation's best-loved rifle and bolt-actions never caught on with the military brass. There's five nations shown, each with a tendency towards a different action for their marksman rifle, so you get a lever-action, straight-pull bolt action, traditional bolt-action, semi-auto and pump-action. Then again the lists also include a liquid propellant gun, an underbarrel railgun, shotguns that fire self-forging penetrators, HESH rounds or SACLOS guided missiles, and your support gunner is a 12'8", 1,800-pound ogre with a 350-pound chaingun and a sidearm chambered in 40x127mm; being ''believable'' is more a concern than being ''realistic'' per se here. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:30, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Bows ==

Also, re: Resi 4, I think the rule is that longbows and crossbows are allowed if (a) they fire explosive arrows (the Rambo exemption) or (b) the precise make and model of the bow is identifiable for trivia purposes. Krauser's bow and the Bow Gun get (a), though I'd be tempted to remove them to the talk page for now because there's no pictures. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 14 June 2011 (CDT)

== Uploads ==

Looks like you're having the same issue I was. Seems the server's taking a while (sometimes hours) to notice alterations to file pages. Just leave it, it does update by itself eventually. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 20:30, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

:Ugh, stupid server, blarg. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:36, 19 June 2011 (CDT)

==Thanks, man==
Thank you for cleaning up the grammar a bit on the [[Kane & Lynch: Dead Men]] page. I was mostly building off the comments that were there before, so I didn't really check them. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 07:56, 22 June 2011 (CDT)
:No problem. :) [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:48, 22 June 2011 (CDT)

==RoboCop 2 Edits==

I was in the middle of adding those extra sections/entries when you made your corrections. Nonetheless, I did add what I thought were all the corrections you made - Guess I missed some. Anyway, we were both editing at the same time so there's you explanation. Good job on making the little typo corrections. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:58, 30 June 2011 (CDT)
:It's alright and danke. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:59, 30 June 2011 (CDT)

== Vegas 2 Mossberg ==

Just wondering how can that be a Cruiser if it has a full stock?

[[File:R6V2-shotties.jpg]]

The second is in the game, not the first. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 10:24, 7 July 2011 (CDT)
:Opps, sorry, my mistake. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:04, 7 July 2011 (CDT)

== Done a little 3D modelling myself, you see... ==

[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/GMCMA/GMC/King%20Cobra/KingCobra_image54.jpg Example]. And, well, rotational copies on the progam I used, you define the axis of rotation and then type in the number of degrees to shift each copy, then enter the number of repeats. So creating a minigun with 5, 6, 10, 36 barrels, it's all just a matter of what numbers you type (though I imagine with 36 they'd overlap). The thing does have M134 barrel clamps, which is more what I was focusing on. Plus Terminator 3 has oversized M134s still ID'd as M134s, so I figure it's ok when it's this obvious. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 06:54, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:Alright, your reworked descriptions work fine. :) lol, I'm only good with Photoshop. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 07:04, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

::On a completely unrelated note, if you can think of any [[Bofors 40mm]] guns in movies, games or TV shows, feel free to add them. I know I'm missing a lot there. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:58, 9 July 2011 (CDT)
:::lol, I am a small-arms guy not an artillery guy. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:37, 9 July 2011 (CDT)

== Calibres on lines ==

It's not something I normally do, but MPM did say up there on this very page that if a page already does it it's not correct to remove it, so I figure that I should just stick to pattern. It's not something I personally think looks all that good (and it makes captions harder to write), but hey. Also, got a couple pistols there on the talk page if you want to take a look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:52, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:That kind of a silly rule. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:56, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, yes. I can't say I really understand what it's for myself. Still, it's funny looking at a caption you've just written and realising you have to rephrase it so you're not saying Josh Lucas fires 5.56mm NATO rounds, and the laugh was worth the hassle. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:02, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Would be alright if I removed ALL the caliber mentions in the caps in one edit? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

::::MPM up there said no. You'd have to take it up with him. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:06, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:::::I ain't a Amin, I got no power. lol :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:11, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

Chronological placed weapons and calibers in caps are things I hate the most in pages, but Stealth sucks so I really don't care. But please for the sake of God nobody EVER do that in future pages. D: - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:41, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

:Not a fan of either thing myself, but I am a fan of the way this wiki allows a certain amount of individuality in pages. It just means sometimes you're writing a page in a way you wouldn't personally do if it was your page, is all. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:45, 11 July 2011 (CDT)

== AA-12 ==

Yeah, I guess they added that shell holder using the ''Black'' "make the weapon look complicated" logic. You have to admit, the AA-12 looks like a paintball gun if you just depict it stock. Not without precident in the series, either, Blops had a WA2000 with a stock saddle. Also, shouldn't all the firearm images be one size rather than some being 500 and some 450? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:14, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
:I go with what looks best on the page to me. :\ Is it a problem, does it look bad to you? I've done the same on many other pages. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:58, 13 July 2011 (CDT)
::P.S. The AA-12 doesn't look like a paintball gun to me. It looks like a plastic and stainless steel auto-shotgun. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:05, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::I dunno, lately I've just been putting gun pics at 400 and screencaps at 600 by default. I think it gives the page a nice uniformity if every section has the images done the same way, though, so all of them at 450 ''or'' 500px would probably be best than some one and some the other. Obviously with the exception of things like grenades and boxy subguns like MACs and other things that end up really big if they're the same size as landscape pics of rifles.

:::And you know what I mean, that stuff that looks like a rubbery non-slip coating on the whole gun makes it look rather weird.[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:10, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Hey, pretty is, as pretty does. ;) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:15, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

There's a method to my madness, I kinda do it from smaller firearm to larger firearm. The way I do pages is that I do caps at 600px, then I do handguns at 350px to 400px (sometimes 450px for handguns like the DE, Mark 23, and large revolvers), and firearms larger than pistols will be 400px to 500px depending on what type of firearm it is. I don't know, what looks better, assault rifles being the same size as a pistol or bigger than a pistol? Bottom line I just like nice sized weapon images that fit accordingly to weapon type. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:39, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:I guess it's just my mouse (one of those fancy-ass Logitech ones with the flywheel for a scrollwheel); I like to go past uniform sections as I go down a page, it gives me the ability to pretend I'm good at keeping things tidy. :D Also, the 200-pixel difference makes it easy to tell when I'm passing each new entry, it's like a section tab or something. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::LOL, My cheap HP mouse is better than fancy-ass Logitech. XD See the [[Rainbow Six: Vegas]] page for an example of my work, I don't know, maybe I'll change my ways for people like you with "fancy-ass" Logitech mouses. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:07, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, it also hits issues when you get images like the G3KA4 and Steyr Scout Tactical which are only 400 and 417 pixels across, so you end up with rifles being shown smaller than some of the pistols as on that page. I find most of our gun images are at least 400px, so it's a good baseline. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 19:12, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

:::350px for handguns and 400px most other weapons might work just fine. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:56, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

::::Update: No it isn't, it's too small for me. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 13 July 2011 (CDT)

By the way, do you have Skype? If you do, PM me your name on the forums, I'm sure we'll save a lot of time editing each other's talk pages if we can IM each other. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 12:31, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Nope, I don't, I'm just a gun nut country boy who actually prefers verbal conversation over texting. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:17, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well, then we're going to have to rig up a tin can on a string across the Atlantic or something. No other way. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 18:21, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== 30-round 7.62mm NATO magazines for G3-type rifles ==
You mentioned in your edit notes for Rainbow Six Vegas that they exist, but I've never, EVER seen what they look like, or even know that they exist. Mind sharing some images or additional info? --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 20:52, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

:Here's a HK91 (Civilian legal G3) fitted with a 30-round mag.

:[[Image:44 Minutes 032.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of Phillips with the HK91 fitted with a 30-round magazine. (from ''44 Minutes: The North Hollywood Shootout'')]]
:[[Image:G3KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G3KA4 with 20-round magazine]]

:It's simply just a longer version of the 20-rounder, I think their mostly used for the lightmachine gun variants of the G3. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:08, 14 July 2011 (CDT)

== Singularity revolver ==

Looking at the end of the barrel and the way it extends out past the front sight, it looks more like they were going for SW500 than Model 629. What do you reckon? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:39, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:It's ''way'' too small to be a SW500 and it has a six-shot cylinder. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:08, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

::Yeah, but at very least I'd say it's a 629 with an SW500 barrel stuck on it. Less Franken than most of the guns, mind you. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:46, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Yeah I noticed that too, I'd say a SW500 "like" barrel, maybe a PC/custom barrel? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:33, 28 July 2011 (CDT)

== Team Fortress 2 ==

How many hours have you played? --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 03:10, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:213.2 hrs, but atleast I don't call BLU team "BLUE". - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:56, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Also, can we do without the triple dots? It reads like a five year old wrote it. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] [[File:Milkovich Signature.jpg|20px|frameless|link=User:Milkovich|]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:five year olds don't do ''periods'' at all. :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:03, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== Minor things ==

Firstly, that Saboteur thing: I figured it was the SW version of the M1917 (which looks a lot like the hand ejector) but Jackbel changed it to the Colt version because of the front sight (even though the grip is nothing like the Colt version). The initial "Colt Official Police" was just my first attempt to translate the other guy's writing into English.

this is cbeattie the 44 pistol on the saboteur is the SW 44 Hand ejector 2ND model with a target configuration.

:Phillb36 was the one said it was S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model in the first place. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Second, IIRC the soldier / Marine / operator / etc distinction is only among the American services; over here I've never heard of anyone being bothered by it, and "soldier" is just a generic for "guy who fights on land." I think you're only correct calling an SAS guy an operative if he specifically ''isn't'' on a combat mission, otherwise he's a soldier. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:11, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

:Oh, alright. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:53, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

== the sabouter 44 pistol ==

what type of gun is the 44 pistol?[[cbeattie]]

:Uh... Go look on the page... It's a S&W 44 Hand Ejector 2ND Model with a Colt M1917's barrel, it seems to be a franken gun. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:05, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

What type of gun is the terror sniper rifle [[jj]]

:How would I know, There's no screen cap and I haven't played the game. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:34, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

It looks like a updated vesion of a us pederson rifle

:Ok... And that helps me how? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:40, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Just saying what the rifle is

:We need a cap of it to confirm it and sign your posts... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:51, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Going back to the revolver it is a S & W 44 hand ejector 2ND with an colt style cylinder rod[[user:cbeattie]] 19:57

:I'm the one who said that! Why are you taking my credit?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:02, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No I am not stealing your credit you said it had a colt barrel I'm saying it has a colt cylinder rod not a colt barrel [[user:cbeattie]]20:07

:And the front sight, so it pretty much has a Colt M1917's barrel. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:12, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

Actually if you ve played the game you'll see that the front sight is that of S & W that you put on the saboteur page (target configuration ) [[cbeattie]]20:18

:Alright, alright, I going off the screen caps the best I could. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:22, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

No problem :)[[cbeattie]]20:25

so do you know what gun the terror rifle is

:NO. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:01, 30 July 2011 (CDT)

I'm wondering if this guy isn't either (a) that troll from before again or (b) inexperienced with English to the extent that he's asking questions like they're knock-knock jokes ("Do you know why...?" "No" "...Because of X is why.") Either way, it's rather exasperating. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:14, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

I am nethier I'm just telling Mr. Wolf what the 44 pistol is and if he know's what the terror scoped rifle is :/[[user:cbeattie]]
==Terror Scoped rifle from The Saboteur==
sorry to be annoying but could you find out what the terror scoped rifle is there's pictures on the saboteur wiki website.[[user:cbeattie]]15:30

:This ''is'' the best image I could find on the web. --> [http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/13307/1373402-terror_sniper.jpg] I have no idea what it's based on as of now, looks like a generic detachable magazine-fed rifle like a lot of game developers make, it's defiantly not a [[Gewehr 43]]. Maybe you can help Tim. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:59, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

::Well I looked through the entire Rifle Category, even the Flintlocks, and couldn't find a single rifle that matched it. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:19, 31 July 2011 (CDT)

:::Looks like one parent was an SVT-40 and the other was a junkyard. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:38, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::The magazine is too close to the trigger guard to be related to the SVT-40. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:46, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::::Yeah, I'm more looking at the SVT's barrel versus that one's forestock top, it's the only WW2 rifle I can think of that would have anything that might get turned into what looks more like a shotgun heat shield. I guess by a concept artist who doesn't know one end of a gun from the other. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

cheers guys defintly looks like a metal SVT-40 with loads of mod's in the game it also fires shotgun shells and it fires automatically.[[user:cbeattie]]10:21

:No it doesn't, it looks like the product of an artist with no idea what he was doing drawing a WW2 rifle with the aid of a half-burned photograph of an SVT-40 that he'd spilled beer on and then eaten. It's just some fictional frankengun. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:24, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::What the crap, did Cbeattie just describe the Terror Shotgun?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:47, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

:::I think this is why asprin was invented. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

::::lolz. -_- [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:17, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

what the hell does that mean !!!!![[user:cbeattie]]

:Whoa, what's with the hostility?! - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 18:22, 1 August 2011 (CDT)

i have found out what it is it is a modified vesion of the Mondragón rifle whitch has the exact same shape and also can change ammo and fires auto ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 12:57, 4 September 2011 (CDT))

:Okay, good for you. :) - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 13:23, 4 September 2011 (CDT)

or it could be a t3 vickers-pederson rifle prototype have a look :) ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 05:24, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Mondrag%C3%B3n+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=px2Xoysrad5zSM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php%3F3288-306-Garand-picture-of-the-Day-How-well-do-you-know-your-Garands&docid=L57cm9boL_ALHM&w=750&h=321&ei=PKRkToOCEdGv8QP-s82gCg&zoom=1]

or the ZH-29.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 06:56, 5 September 2011 (CDT))
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ZH-29+Semi-automatic+rifle&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=4YcPhvuAH54LHM:&imgrefurl=http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php%3F/topic/17446-chinese-weapons-of-ww2-question/&docid=WnMc7r1cLCLW4M&w=1019&h=202&ei=6apkTvn0EMWn8QPz3uCKCg&zoom=1]

or the Farquhar-Hill Hybrid
[http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Farquhar-Hill+Hybrid&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW&biw=1366&bih=549&tbm=isch&tbnid=R4oaNBq_qF7uXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/collections_view.aspx%3Fid%3D151&docid=exQjKyiwpZjUFM&w=440&h=124&ei=qrhkTtWiMsnG8QOhnKClCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=0&page=1&tbnh=48&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=135&ty=29]

they all can be fitted with scopes

:I looked at the pic of the Terror Scoped rifle I have, and unfortunately it looks like '''none''' of these rifles. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:02, 5 September 2011 (CDT)

i started to think you where good at identfyinf weapons but obisly not. :((( ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:51, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

Well it looks ulmost identical to the ZH-29 WITH MODS THAT EVERY WORLD WAR 2 sniper has to fit its owner perfectly quit frankly it IS the ZH-29 with some mods a will list if you want ([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 04:16, 6 September 2011 (CDT))

== Welrod ==

I think with the "go off visuals" we need to go with it being a Mark 1 with no trigger guard rather than a Mark 2 that occasionally spontaneously saws itself in half. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:It's not sawn in half, it's drawn too short in the first two caps, then it's full length in the last cap. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:42, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::Yeah, but the only way a Welrod would ever get that short is if the front of the suppressor was taken off, in which case the front sight would be more or less exactly where it is in the caps on a Mark 1. And really, it's just as easy to believe they gave a reference image of a Mark 1 with the front of the suppressor removed to some of the animators as that a gun-obsessed anime with a reasonably large budget would make such a basic scale error. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 04:49, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::If they based it off a Mark 1 than why does it ''not'' have a trigger guard? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 04:57, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::Well, this goes in circles: if they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots? Missing a wire trigger guard that might have fallen off a pictured reference is one thing, but only one Welrod can ever get that short under any circumstances (and certainly only one has any way of changing length), so I think we kinda have to say it's that one, even if it doesn't make much sense ''why'' it changes length. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:10, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::''"If they based it on a mark 2, why is it drawn as short as a broken-down Mark 1 in two shots?"'' Because like you said, it's a scaling error. Question: were all the gunshots suppressed? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 05:12, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::I have no idea, I edited that page to begin with because I've read the comics, I haven't seen the anime. Still, even if it's a scaling error, we still have pictures of a Welrod that can change size, and I think half the barrel vanishing is more of an identifying feature than the trigger guard vanishing. Wouldn't matter, anyway, IIRC the Welrod can't be fired safely with the front of the suppressor removed, it's for concealment (same reason the grip is part of the magazine). [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 05:54, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::I thought it being an artist error was an easy enough explanation. So it's a Mark I that at the last second grew its suppressor for the last shot? So should I say that the M1A in High School of the Dead has a custom ginormous charging handle installed just because of an artist error? :P You know that goofs like this happen in Animes all the time. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:11, 1 August 2011 (CDT)
::::::::Well, if there was a production M1A version with a ginormous charging handle, I'd have said you'd have to say it was that version in that shot. :P [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:12, 2 August 2011 (CDT)
:::::::::ಠ_ಠ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 02:11, 2 August 2011 (CDT)

== By the way... ==

http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1834

You might like this :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 01:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:For the love of God! That is so... Awesome! XD I would have posted on the form but it won't let me, I've activated my account twice but it keeps saying "''Your account has been activated but you are currently in the moderation queue to be added to the forum'''". I can't even view my Profile or get a Avatar. :( - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:03, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I had that too, you should speak to MT2008 about it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:16, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

As an addition, I've finally got around to finishing Homefront on Youtube. :D [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:55, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

== Sniper 3 ==

I'm working on this page right now, and I ask that you please let me finish my changes first. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:12, 4 August 2011 (CDT)
:Okay. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:53, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

==RE:==

Hi, I'm not sure I have the ability to approve you. I thought I did, but when Evil Tim wanted to join the forum, I repeatedly tried to activate his account to no avail. It may also just be that I'm incompetent and can't figure out the system, but long story short, Tim only got approved when Bunni did it for him. So as much as I hate to give you a copout response, I'm going to suggest you message Bunni (by email, not talk page) and ask him instead. Sorry, -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:23, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

:How do I contact Bunni? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 11:55, 4 August 2011 (CDT)

::I recall he once told me that he gets an email every time someone leaves a message on his talk page. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:07, 5 August 2011 (CDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hi. I saw movie called '''13''' today and I am planning to screencap it. There is one problem, however. It is full of stupid revolvers which I hate. I checked every single revolver page but I could not find a gun that matched the ones in the film. I was wondering if you could help me with those f'ing revolvers, since according to your user page you are "nearly a master at identifying firearms". :) So can I count on you? I have cookies... *puppy dog face* - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:30, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:Is there a page of it on this site? If so, I'll do my best. D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:34, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

::No, not yet. I will upload the images tomorrow (its 22:50 now at my place) to my userpage. After that please feel free to make edits on it. Thanks in advance! - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 15:51, 6 August 2011 (CDT)

:::Okay! D:< - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 15:52, 6 August 2011 (CDT)
::::I have uploaded the images. Good luck, and thanks again. Like I said just edit my userpage. - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 04:27, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

First of all, you Sir, are a LEGEND. You saved me a week of my life by helping with those revolvers. I managed to ID the Python and Model 10 right ''when'' you were editing, but the other ones, nothing. So BIG thanks again, I will be in your debt for the rest of my life. Oh, about MOH2010, maybe that one is an exception. :) - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 14:26, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

:Thank you and your welcome. :) I may have not been able to ID all the revolvers and It took me a long time but I was glad to help. I always like to exercise my ID'ing and researching abilities. :) BTW I'm psyched for BF3. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:05, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

Hi. Sorry to bother you again, but I think I have figured out Jason Statham's handgun in '''13'''. It looks like a Pre-B CZ 75:
[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|400px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:13 temp image.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When he puts it to his belt the old-style hammer can be seen, as well as the CZ 75 style safety and slide serrations. It has bigger rear sights though. Is it possible to customize those sights?]]
What do you think? Could it be a 75-clone? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 01:56, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

:It's a Pre-B CZ 75 clone due to the fact that it does not have the noticeable milling-cuts on the front of the frame. I think it might be a Solothurn ITM AT84S [http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/solothurn-itm-at84s-0 link]. Note the rear sight and lack of milling-cuts on the front of the frame, even the grips match up. BTW you really need Blu-ray. ;P - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:41, 8 August 2011 (CDT)

==Red Dead Redemption==
hi mr.wolf sorry for seeming hostile the other day do you know what bullets the red dead redemption buffalo rife uses is it the 50-90 sharps or the 50-140 sharps and whitch one does more damage cheers [[user:cbeattie]] August 7,20:06

:I have no idea, that gun and its ammo are beyond my knowledge, sorry. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:15, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

do you anyone that would know [[user:cbeattie]]

:Nope. :| - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 14:36, 7 August 2011 (CDT)

== Saints Row 2 XS-2 Ultimax ==

I was wondering if I could borrow your keen eye to take a look at the [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:XS-2_Ultimax_(SR2).png XS-2 Ultimax from Saints Row 2]?
 [[User:Cbeattie]], who I see you have run into already, has been arguing for several days on the Saints Row Wiki about this, first claiming it was a SPAS 15, then a M1014, and now a Saiga-12.
 He's edited the Saints Row 2 page here, claiming it was a SPAS 15, and then changed it to a Saiga-12. I've removed it from the page, since I think it looks nothing like it, other than the fact they're both "shotgun shaped". I'm sure he will add it back in a few hours, so I'd appreciate another opinion on whether it looks anything like it.
 He appears to be under the impression that it '''must''' be based on a real life weapon, and that the Saiga-12 is the closest thing he can find, therefore it '''must''' be based on it. I've looked at some images of the Saiga-12, and none of the features match. (You're not the first person to say he is acting like a troll, or to wonder how old he is.)
 I personally have very little experience with weapons, but I can play "spot the difference" very well.
 As I'm sure you've noticed, the weapons in Saints Row 2 are all almost identical to real life weapons, which makes me believe that if it was based on anything, then it would also look very similar. -[[User:User452|User452]] 18:13, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

:I'm sorry, but I say it's most defiantly a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:42, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

I m sorrt I have no Idea what your talking about I have no account on any saints row 2 the person you are talking about is a cjbeattie and he seems to be quite good at Identifying weapons.([[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]] 13:07, 17 August 2011 (CDT))

:What the heck are you guys talking about? I just gave my opinion that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life bases. If you guy are gonna have a discussion about Saints Row 2, do it on the Saints Row 2 discussion page, not mine. :\ - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 20:06, 17 August 2011 (CDT)

::Sorry about that, it looks like "[[User:Cbeattie|Cbeattie]]" here is trying to claim that he is a completely different person than the "cjbeattie" who has been inserting the exact same information on a different wiki.
::Thank you very much for confirming that it's a made-up shotgun with no real-life basis, I hope Cbeattie doesn't give you too much trouble here. -[[User:User452|User452]] 21:16, 20 August 2011 (CDT)

listen user make your own talk page so we don,t have to talk about this on Mr wolf's page I am not cjbeattie I am cbeattie if you persist to make me out to be someone I am not I will have to complain and get you banned.

== Forum ==

I approved your forum account. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 18:44, 16 August 2011 (CDT)
:YAY! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:38, 16 August 2011 (CDT)

== Changing captions in gun images ==

Please do not change captions in the stock gun images if it's mentioned that the weapon pictured is an actual screen-used weapon. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 18:48, 28 August 2011 (CDT)
:I did it because it looked cluttered on Movie pages, I didn't change it on the Weapon page itself. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 19:01, 28 August 2011 (CDT)