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Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2012-07-14T16:11:32Z

Captain Snikt: /* Season 3 Mystery suppressed Gun */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Not only does a crossbow save on ammo and is silent, crossbow bolts can be retrieved and reused repeatedly before they bend, dull, break, or otherwise can't be used any longer. In effect, Daryl has essentially a near-infinite source of ammunition. As for Rick, I think the Python suits him better. It has personality, the Mark 23... not so much. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:43, 27 February 2012 (CST)

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe Basset is so damn useless that he hasn't even figured out that Glocks don't come with manual safeties... --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:28, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

:He also could have meant "Glock 9mm", you know, since "9" is common shorthand for 9mm. When has anyone referred to .45 ACP as "11.43mm"? Hell, I once had a conversation with a Korean War vet about 1911s and when I referred to the cartridge by its dimensions, he had a dumbfounded look on his face and "corrected" me, telling me that the 1911A1 was "a 45, not no 11-something". [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:51, 27 February 2012 (CST)

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

: It's definately not a Ruger SP101. As to the comment of the SP101 being unique with regards to the rear notch site. Nope. All snubbies have that. I have both the Taurus 85 (old shape) and the Taurus 85 Stainless. Looks much more like that due to the unique underlug on the revolver. Also look at the SP101's front. http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/sp101target8.jpg Definately not what we are seeing in these screen captures. [[User:Potentpoefie|Potentpoefie]] 07:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It appears to be a Taurus 405 to me. Looks large-bored, probably .40S&W so that would match the 405. The front sight is tiny from that back angle which also matches the 405, the cylinder backing plate is the same etc. krispic 21:36 Feb 22 2012

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

:I'm also reasonably certain the 82nd Airborne Division doesn't have tanks in their TO&E, yet the (un)dead soldier in the tank had an 82nd patch on his left shoulder. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 07:32, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

Well i would imagine that in the chaos of the zombie apocalypse lots of soldiers ended up with other units doin jobs they aren't really trained for.

Actually smaller units are frequently attached (I believe the Brits call it seconded) to other units for mission purposes. Some armor battalions spent the whole campaign in France (WW II, 1944-1945) being attached to various infantry units - to include the airborne. After all the elements of the 9th and 10th armor divisions that were in Bastogne during the siege fell under the 101st Airborne for the duration of that battle. Funny how the airborne mafia always seems to forget about all the ''other'' troops that fought in that battle. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 13:17, 23 August 2011 (CDT)

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

*Naw, that one they've actually made some modifications to like building up the hull and turret to be more Abrams-like and putting an M1-style bulge over the cylindrical fume extractor. This is just a Chieftain with a fake M2 awkwardly perched on top of the hatch weapon mounting. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 09:07, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

Definitely a 17 in the last episode when shane opens the barn doors and shhots all the walkers he fires too many rounds for it to be a 19

This is getting tiresome now, stop identifying guns based on the amount of rounds that they fire! It's a TV series where in editing they can easily make a 15 round magazine last for 80 rounds (see John Woo films) --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 05:27, 2 January 2012 (CST)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:It's not a P228. The screencap doesn't show it well, but I checked the episode again, and it's possible to see that it has the squared trigger guard of the P226, rather than rounded, as on a P228. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

:Maybe somebody "requisitioned" (read: looted) it from the National Infantry Museum or Fort Benning; both are in or around Columbus, GA, which isn't exactly close to Atlanta, but it's the closest place I can think of where you might plausibly find a DShK. When you need more HMGs, you grab what's available. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 20:18, 24 June 2011 (CDT)

Weird though, since they obviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

::Actually, those M2HBs are still there in episodes 2 ("Guts," when Grimes escapes from the tank) and 4 ("Vatos," when Glenn goes to retrieve the Bag O' Guns) and they pass at least two M2HBs on the way to the CDC's front door after they pass the DShK. They weren't just there for the pilot. --[[User:Euromutt|Euromutt]] 09:18, 25 June 2011 (CDT)

My thought was militia that made a last stand with the army to protect the people gathering at the CDC (notice the weapon is surrounded by bodies in civilian clothes), the DShK having been purchased by one of the members (legitimately or otherwise) and subsequently put to use following the outbreak. - Wolfblade670

Maybe the Russians dropped in tom VDV to help protect the CDC. -Jakezergling

:I, umm, highly doubt that... - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 03:30, 7 September 2011 (CDT)

:Yeah, Russia would have enough trouble fighting the Walkers on their own turf, considering that Russia is easily 2 times the size of continental United States. Besides that, do the Russians even use the DshK anymore? I do believe it's been phased out by the Kord since the late 90s/early 2000s. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 18:18, 27 February 2012 (CST)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's actually a Busse Combat Team Gemini with a bead blasted finish and black and tan layered g10. Gerber is now supplying knives to the show as well, as seen in the season 2 premiere when Carl finds a full roll in and abandon vehicle. The list of models is on their FB page. [[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]]

: I would agree that Daryl does have a Busse Combat Team Gemini. A clear profile-type photo of Daryl's knife was featured in the "story sync" for the eighth episode of the second season on the AMC website. Here's a link to that image: http://www.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/208-17.jpg --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:24, 23 February 2012 (CST)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

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I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

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I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

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We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Rick's shotgun, from the end of Vatos and on, was a Pardner Pump, but I don't think it was a 20 gauge. Sometimes, hunting model guns can have the vent-rib barrel cut down, to where it is a riot shotgun. I see that as being more plausible. --[[User:1897Reloaded|1897Reloaded]] 11:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

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When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

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*Well it is a show about the dead walking around and eating the flesh of the living. I'm willing to overlook the amazing skill that Rick displays with headshots.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:28, 20 June 2011 (CDT)

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Considering the US military teaches you do to that with a M4, the stock is pretty much the same as the M4 so I could see why he's doing it. Also I don't get the feeling that any of the actors are really inexperienced, they all seem to be trained well in regards to weapons. Least Rick and Shane do.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:18, 8 March 2012 (CST)

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

:Only if your in the desert sand, sitting around like that outside would be fine but not how I would store my guns.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 21:32, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

They really are worth it. I buy the trade paperbacks, they are like $12.00 a book. There are 13 of them up to now. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Personaaly i prefer the graphic novels. Dont get me wrong i love the series, but the comics are much more grim and dark, in the series everyone seems to be more willing to get along and its more zombie orientated, the comics are much more grim, its about the characters and in the comic no characters are safe, even mainstay ones. The tv series feels slightly more commercialised and main characters have outlived their comic book life already. I do love the tv version, and darly dixion is the best non comic character creation to be added to the series, I just hope Carl gets a gun next series, that said and cant belive i have to wait till october to see series 2.- Captain Snikt [[Special:Contributions/109.157.4.163|109.157.4.163]] 23:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

:Daryl has proven so popular that he's actually being written into the comic. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:15, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

== Popular Cop Guns ==
An answer above said that the Glock was "a very common cop gun, in both hollywood, and real life." This is true, but I was wondering if their were any other cop guns in hollywood and in real life that are as popular as the Glock.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 21:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

The Beretta 92 is the only one that comes to mind for me. -SasquatchJim.

:There aren't too many police depts issuing the Beretta 92F anymore, even though Hollywood still shows them being carried by cops. Anyway, Glock holds just under 2/3rds of the U.S. law enforcement market, SIG-Sauer holds about 1/3rd, and a number of other makes (S&W, H&K, Beretta, etc.) are constantly fighting each other for what's left. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

SIG-Sauer P226, S&W M19/66, AR-15, and many more... --[[User:nkingman|nkingman]]

Ah, that's right.
Some older ones include the S&W Model 10, S&W Model 28, Colt Trooper, and a 12 gauge pump shotgun (namely a Remington 870.)
Another new one is the S&W M&P -SasquatchJim

There was once a time when the S&W Model 15/67, the S&W Model 13/65. Colt Official Police, Ruger Six Series revolvers, the S&W Model 19/66 and the Colt Lawman/Trooper Mk III were also very popular Cop revolvers.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:40, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

Glocks, S&W M&Ps, SIGs, HK USPs, S&W 5906 (4506, etc) are known for being "cop guns",
Glocks IIRC are used by 60% of the police force in the US so its kinda hard to compare

== Flash suppressor on M4A1 ==

Did anyone else notice the flash suppressor on the M4A1 held by the soldier that gets grabbed is different than normal?
:I thought it was a nongun.--[[Special:Contributions/129.89.179.105|129.89.179.105]] 01:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)(thePotShot)
::Just for reference,
::[[Image:M4A1nongun.jpg|thumb|500px|none|M4A1 Non Gun]]--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's a Non Gun M4. Look at the range at which he's shooting at his comrades. Blanks are dangerous if an actor is shooting at other actors who are that close, so they probably had to use the Non Gun instead. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 15:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

:Actually, the Aimpoint M68 CCO (in this case I believe it is a Comp M2 or ML2) can be used with the foreward lens cover closed. Used in this method, it forms an occuladed eye-sight, which were one of the first types of weapons optics employed. Using an occuladed eye-sight is very similar in principle to the BAC method employed in some Trijicon ACOGs, both eyes are left open and due to the way the brain processes images from the eye, what the left (or right eye sees) downrange has the red dot from the other eye (which is looking down the sight) superimposed on it. This is useful as there are rumors that the red dot (particularly in the Aimpoint family) can in fact be detected from in front of the weapon due to the intensity of the light, espiecially in night battle conditions. So the sceintist might really know what he is doing, but it is just as likely it was a mistake by the prop department.[[User:SAWGunner89|SAWGunner89]] 22:17, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== I liked Rick's reaction when he pulled the pin on the grenade in the last episode ==

He was thinkin "ohshitohshitohshitohshit" and then hauled ass outta there haha. I liked that little detail, along with him getting knocked off his feet as he tried to get as far away from it as possible, instead of the clichè "walk slowly towards the camera as a bomb goes off behind you with a bad-ass grimace on your face". This show had a lot of nice little details like that. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 03:46, 28 January 2011 (UTC)- Yeah but its a grenade bro, you have like what 7 seconds so you can't walk away slowly from it..and also the building was about to total..-jake

Yeah, I liked that too. i hate when like the everyday joe can slowly walk away from a huge explosion,[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

I like the way that he pulled the pin and had the "Oh my GOD!" moment when he suddenly realised that he needed to run fast. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 07:49, 2 July 2011 (CDT)

Lol, my friend was like that fuse is burning wtf is he doing? chilling?

== Season 2 ==

Anyone seen the trailer yet for the second seaons? It's been out for a few weeks now. I jus--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)t thought it was interesting that it hasn't been mentioned here.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:57, 11 August 2011 (CDT)

I don't have the equipment for getting screencaps from TV, but the revolver Daryl took from the camper who committed suicide looks like either a Colt Cobra or Detective Special. The structure doesn't look right for being a S&W Model 10 or Model 36/37. And the slender grip profile and lack of an ejector rod housing eliminates the possibility of it being a Taurus.
--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

I was rewatching the season 2 premier episode and I noticed something that irked me a bit concerning the scene at the tent where Daryl found the Colt revolver. This is a series known for a great deal of firearms safety and consideration. But here we have an example of typical Hollywood gun handling. Nobody checked to see how many live rounds were in it, they just assumed it was still loaded and ready to be used. For all we know Daryl handed Laurie an empty weapon for taking on the trail back to the RV.
--[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

==Gerber Bag of Knives==

Carl ([[Chandler Riggs]]) found this bag in the first episode of the second season which contained six different gerber tool knives and machetes.

[[Image:Gerber-Zombie-Apocolypse-Knives.jpg|thumb|none|500px| So long as you use a knife, there's still a little love left.]]

In the Season 2 props video on the AMC website, they explain the endorsement and show some of the gear. The prop master also gives a look at Rick's character specific items, which includes a [http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-31-000582-Modified-Partially-Serrated/dp/B004DT26ME/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1319921541&sr=8-2 DMF Folder]. --[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 15:58, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

Some of this bag is anachronistic though, as the knives were not invented until after the zombie apocalypse destroyed humanity, and presumably the Gerber factory. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:21, 29 October 2011 (CDT)

How do you know that though? As far as I can remember there hasn't been a date mentioned for when the zombie apocalypse happened, it could be set in the very near future. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:30, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:What I meant is that some of the knives have been released since the series started airing, and I'm assuming that the first episode wasn't set in the future. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:41, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
::Fair enough. I do think of it like well they haven't really set an actual date on when it occurs so anything "new" that shows up in the show is either there to look cool or it's there for some sort of product placement. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:33, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:::Or both. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:35, 30 October 2011 (CDT)
:::: Touche --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:08, 30 October 2011 (CDT)

== Morgan's Revolver ==

The revolver that Morgan uses is a S&W model 60

:It can't be the Model 60 because of the curved ejector shroud. [[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:38, 21 November 2011 (CST)

== Season 2 spoiler-ish descriptions ==

I feel like a lot of the description "updates" on the guns used (or re-used, as applicable) in Season 2 are giving too much info away. Definitely enough to qualify as spoilers to some people (like me). One shouldn't need to narrate the scene and context in which the gun appears, at least not to the extent some of the descriptions are- especially if it's giving away future happenings.

== M4 ==

I think the caption about the doctor not noticing the covers for the M68 is a little of a moot point. The doctor stated he wasnt familiar with the weapon, and simply picked it up when soldiers started dying or running away. -MissySummers-

== Dave and Tony's guns ==

In the eighth episode of the second season - "Nebraska" - two newcomers walk into the bar where Rick and Glenn found Hershel drinking alone. The strangers introduce themselves to Rick, Glenn, and Hershel as Dave and Tony. I had a difficult time identifying these two guns that Dave and Tony had. Dave's gun looked to me like it might be a SIG-Sauer P226. Tony's gun looked to me like it was some sort of sawn-off double-barrel shotgun - maybe an over/under style double barrel shotgun too. Did anybody get a good look at either one of these guns? [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:52, 21 February 2012 (CST)

After watching the episode "Triggerfinger" it looks like hershel picked up Dave's pistol which looked to me like a SIG-SAUER P228 to me. And the big guy had a cutdown pump shotgun that I think was a Remington 870 and Rick was duel weilding it with his Python when they left the bar. The kid on the roof appeared to a have a bolt action rifle but it never showed a clear pic.

: I just watched the "Nebraska" and "Triggerfinger" episodes again back to back. I would have to agree with you now on Dave's gun. It appears that Dave actually did bring a SIG-Sauer P228 into the bar in the "Nebraska" episode. I got a better look at this gun in the "Triggerfinger" episode when Hershel was armed with it. I could tell this gun was a P228 because the trigger guard was curved instead of hooked like the P226 has, plus the barrel and slide on this gun were shorter than what the P226 has. I looked very closely at Tony's shotgun too, but I don't agree with you on this one. There's no way it could have been a Remington 870. I would still say that it is a sawn-off, over/under, double barrel shotgun. (Just my opinion here, but a sawn-off shotgun would be a piss-poor gun for defending yourself against a zombie horde that is coming at you. The shot spread pattern on a sawn-off shotgun would be way too wide to be effective on any zombie's head beyond short range, and it's better to kill multiple zombies from a distance than at point blank range, right?) I also noticed that Glenn had Tony's shotgun later on in the "Triggerfinger" episode. I agree with you about that the kid on the roof though - he sure seemed to have a bolt action rifle with a scope mounted on it. What happened to it is the question now. [[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 15:59, 22 February 2012 (CST)
I just watched it again and I swore I heard a cocking sound so that could make it a pump action shotgun. You were right its not a pump action i believe its a over/under gun. [[User:Balin21|Balin21]]

: TV shows and movies usually have the cocking sound effects for guns added in for dramatic purposes. (For example, it seems that we often hear the cocking sound effect every time the script calls for one character to point a gun at somebody or something. In real life, guns are normally silent when this happens.) The Walking Dead seems to be just such a TV show. I don't know how to screen capture this yet, but I paused episode 208 at the 43:15 mark. I could clearly see the underside of Tony's gun there, and I did not see things on this gun such as a loading port, or a slide piece, both of which would be consistent with a pump action shotgun. It was all dark on that part of the shotgun instead, which to me seems more consistent with a double barrel, over/under, break action shotgun than with a pump action shotgun. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 12:55, 23 February 2012 (CST)

: I couldn't get a good look at Tony's shotgun in either "Nebraska" or "Triggerfinger". At first glance it looked like a cut down Winchester 1887 (like in T-2). I was wondering if anyone else happened to think that too? Also it almost looked like it had a synthetic stock on it which made me think it could have been the Chiappa T-Series 1887, but I don't know if those are availible yet, but again I didn't get a good enough look at it.--[[User:Fenderfiver03|Fenderfiver03]] 20:10, 23 February 2012 (CST)
::It is a sawn off over and under (although it may be purpose made as it appeared to have a front sight present). You get a look at the gun when the guy gets up to piss, and after he is shot you see a front view of the gun showing that it is two open barrels rather than a barrel with a magazine tube underneath. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:37, 23 February 2012 (CST)
::: You're right. After rewatching the episode online and pausing just after he gets shot I could see the two barrels and also could see there is no lever either.--[[User:Fenderfiver03|Fenderfiver03]] 22:57, 23 February 2012 (CST)

Tony's shotgun looks VERY much like the MOSSBERG HS12 after another look at episode 9. When Rick searches Tony's pocket and picks up two (probably 12-ga) shotgun rounds, you can clearly see the Top/Locking Lever for opening/locking the breech contrasted against the background. In the shot just before that you can see a Picatinny or Weaver rail on top of the receiver. This clearly says "HS12" to me...and though it pretty clearly does not have a rail on the bottom of the under barrel, not all HS12s have the under-barrel rail, I think. --[[User:dryfireandy|dryfireandy]] 27 Feb 2012
:Had to Google Mossberg HS12, and I must admit I giggled a little bit at the concept of a "tactical" over/under. I watched the episodes in question the other day, and from memory at least I'd have to agree with you. It'd be nice if someone could post a picture, though.... [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 18:05, 27 February 2012 (CST)
::I will try to get an appropriate screencap uploaded; ditto for the Sig P228/229 to help resolve that one. PS "tactical" double-barrels have made ground in the last couple years or so- check out Stoeger's "tactical" SxS...just remember to bring your barf bag- they're charging the same prices for one as you'd see for a good 870 or Mossy pump. Outrageous! In any case, stupid people waste their money on them- but I digress. Tony's apparent choice of shotgun bespeaks his desperation and/or seriously limited tactical reasoning ability- which I guess we already could've figured out around the time his body hit the floor. =P --[[User:dryfireandy|dryfireandy]]

: Does the Mossberg HS12 come with sling swivel studs? I noticed that Tony was carrying his shotgun by a sling that was looped over his shoulder. Since the buttstock of this shotgun had been sawn off, there was no way to just let it hang there - he had to keep holding onto the sling with his hand instead. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 09:00, 29 February 2012 (CST)

== What caused it? ==
Does the comic ever reveal what the cause of the outbreak was? I'm not asking for spoilers as to what the cause ''was'', I'm just asking if it's ever revealed, like a "yeah, they find out what it was" or "no, they build a rocket ship and fly to Mars to restart human civilization", or something like that. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:59, 27 February 2012 (CST)
:I don't think any reason has actually been given, and Robert Kirkman (writer of the comic) has stated that he doesn't plan to ever give a definitive cause. In the comic characters have speculated that it is caused by a virus that everyone in the world is infected with that causes them to reanimate after death. Because I've read the comic I already knew this so can't remember if it is made clear in the series, but it is the kind of zombie apocalypse where everyone who dies turns into a zombie, even if they die from non zombie causes (zombie bites cause infections that are 100% lethal). --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:10, 27 February 2012 (CST)

For Example a certain Main Character is shot dead at the end of the first book (in the comic they never went to the CDC, instead they just got the guns and left, but before they left the character is killed) and later in the series (maybe a book or two later, Rick returns to the place where they buried said person, and he was a zombie even though he had died by a bullet and not bite/scratch --[[User:Smish34|Smish34]] 09:34, 29 February 2012 (CST)

== Unidentified pistol ==

In the most recent episode, S02E11, Carl takes a pistol out of Daryl's bike. Presumably it is the same pistol Daryl used in episode S01E4. There were some pretty clear shots of the pistol when Carl is holding it, looked like a Browning, but I could be completely wrong. --[[User:Animalmenace|Animalmenace]] 23:51, 5 March 2012 (CST)
:It was a [[Browning BDA]], not sure if this is the same gun as in S01E04 as it looks like that has a larger beavertail on the back of the grip, but is hard to tell from the shots available. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:56, 6 March 2012 (CST)

== Shotgun stock? ==
What type of stock is on Shane's shotgun?
--[[User:Zombie Killer 1995|Zombie Killer 1995]] 09:24, 6 March 2012 (CST)
:It says on the main article, a KNOXX SpecOps NRS stock. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:40, 6 March 2012 (CST)

== Daryl's pistol ==

I think Daryl's unidentified pistol might be a CZ-75 series, the frame/grips seem to match it as does the general size.
:Looked more like a Browning Hi-Power to me. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 13:18, 6 March 2012 (CST)
:Yeah, I concur with Cool-breeze. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 01:41, 7 March 2012 (CST)

::Looked more like a Browning BDM to me.

Hey, it does not really matter at this point as the stupid kid loses in the leafs and then books it..
::He ''didn't'' lose it in the bushes. But even if he had, it still matters what it is, considering the purpose of this website. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:22, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

That actually seemed to best the best look at the handgun we see and it appeared to be a Browning Hi-Power to me as well.[[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:15, 8 March 2012 (CST)

:People are talking about two different guns here. The easily identifiable one is the one that Carl takes out of Daryl's saddle bag in the most recent episode, which is definitely a [[Browning BDA]]. There is also the pistol that only the grip is seen sticking out of his waist band in S01E04, which I think is a different pistol. One of the only features that you can make out on this pistol is that fact that it has a prominent beavertail/grip spur at the back which is does not match the BDA or BDM. Hammer is wrong for the Hi-Power, my best guess would be a CZ-75 from the relationship between the hammer and the grip spur but it is not possible to tell from this pic. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:57, 9 March 2012 (CST)

== GUN SENSE ==

Their for sure would tons of M4'S and possibly m16a4's lying around in the streets of Atlanta with moer Berettas. Why does no one go for one and why do they not ask jenner for some. Would an assault rifle not be good to kill hordes of undead? Also why did rick not get on the .50 on the tank and take out some before. Even when I see police cars don't they raid them. The only time I have seen anyone do that is when Shane and Otis use the flares from the cruiser to distract the walkers..And yes I know it is a scripted show.
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Don't forget that the show starts a while after the zombies take over so any M4s,M16s, etc would have already been scooped up from the Atlanta streets, at least the ones people could get before the city was overrun. And they didn't ask Jenner for any because an assault rifle is actually quite cumbersome and the ammo could weigh them down even more then they already are. Also it would be pretty hard to find any ammunition for M4s/M16s as that doesn't seem to be a commonly used weapon in this show beyond the military. They don't search cop cars because as I stated, the show starts a while after the initial overrunning of cities so if people had any brains, they would have raided cop cars a long time ago. As for the Beretta statement, it seems like that is more of a military firearm as well and not a police weapon, plus they can't search every single corpse they find in the city. As to the .50 cal on the tank, notice how fast the zombies crawled on top of the tank? Rick would never have lasted, plus I don't believe there was any .50 ammo in the tank, nor in the gun. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 22:14, 8 March 2012 (CST)

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Sorry I'm new at posting on here. Good point I forgot it starts 2 week after the outbreak. But I was thinking if Otis and Shane both had automatics it may have ended differently. Also we do Rick's beretta again with Shane and Andrea in the housing developments she has it no and perfers it to her ladysmith. And as to the .50cal their was one zombie when he came out to escape he shoveled it in the face. The .50 just is a bad idea in my opinion caue its one loud mother. Also I don't understand why people carry bolt actions around, look what happend to Dale. Imagine how smooth the show would run if everyone had silenced weapons. One more thing, is anyone else hoping for the variety of guns to switch up? We know that the kid's camp has 30 men+(jude,jury,executioner)so assuming Rick's group comes up on top cause the shows been renewed for season 3. Will they get some real artiliery? (User:n Gunfan1996)

:If I remember in the first episode, Rick did bump into a tank and I coulda sworn I saw ammo in that 50 cal, but it is a bit heavy for one to carry. An Assault Rifle plus ammo is not heavy at all. A shotgun with ammo is actually more heavy and cumbersome to carry and limited range 12:46, 9 March 2012 (CST)

:There was no ammo in the tank gun.

[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of the mounting; note that the mounting is designed for the L7 GPMG, an FN MAG derivative, and the fake M2 simply sits on top of it. Compare to the real M2 in the foreground of the shot above.]]

:Besides, Rick was on horseback. What's he going to do, mount the .50 on the head of his horse? And it's also worth noting that he didn't have any weapons that used that ammo. A belt of .50 would be dead weight (no pun intended). [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:37, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

Still dunno why Rick uses a Python though, those .357 rounds are LOUD.
Personally, I hoped someone had scooped the Doc's M4 up on the way out of the CDC, oh well....
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:14, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

== WOW!!!!!!! AWESOME ENDING (SPOILERS! SPOILERS! SPOILERS!) ==

I couln' resist saying how awesome i thought S02: E12 was. That was the way to kill off Shane. Plus with the cool remix of the theme song playing as you see an army of walkers walk out onto the field. Just saying, I think Hershel or Maggie will die in the season finale. For those who missed it, here's a link: http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/talked-about-scene-episode-212-the-walking-dead-shanes-last-stand --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 14:51, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

Yep pretty good. I knew that eventually Shane was going. If I remember the comic book correctly it was Carl who killed Shane when he was going to kill rick and then Rick finished him off when he came back as a walker. So in the television show they reversed that. Liked the ending. I wonder if next season they will deal with the Governor and the Prison? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 15:30, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

:If you search for news of the show, te actor has already been cast, looking forward to the next season.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:14, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

:The Governor has indeed been cast and no it is not Merle. [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:55, 12 March 2012 (CDT) [[http://screenrant.com/david-morrissey-governor-the-walking-dead-yman-156371/]]

Nothing you guys said makes any sense because i don't read comics. Don't tell me though. I'm going to read the comics after the series finally ends. I know a friend with the complete collection who sai he is going to sell it along with DVD copies when they all come out. I WANT THAT!!!!! Check on ebay after the series comes to an end.--[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 18:56, 12 March 2012 (CDT)

All I'm wondering is why did they make it so all you have to do is die to become a zombie instead of being bitten/scratched? Do they explain this as well? [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 10:00, 13 March 2012

:Almost every zombie story I've ever read, movie I've ever seen, or game I've ever played has it the same way as The Walking Dead TV series and comic book has had it - When a person dies for any reason, that same person later becomes a zombie, unless their brain has been damaged or destroyed first. So far, no explanation has been given as to exactly how this happens. My guess would be that it's all due to an airborne virus. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 10:56, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

Can anyone identify the knife Rick used to finally put Shane down? Was it one of the Gerbers seen frequently throughout this season, or something else? I couldn't get a close enough look.--[[User:Mmarlon brando|Mmarlon brando]] 15:35, 13 March 2012 (CDT)

:I paused S02/Ep12 at the 39:09 mark. That was where I could get the best look at this knife. As best I can tell, Rick used a Gerber DMF folder on Shane. I think Rick has had that same knife all throughout Season 2. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 13:19, 14 March 2012 (CDT)

I also wanted to know about a knife from episode 10 of season 2 (18 Miles Out). The knife in question is the one that Rick leaves for Randall to use. I don't know if it can be seen any better in any other episode but I know that Randall does eventually use it and I think I remember a few semi-close up shots of it.

:Yes, there are a few close-up shots of the knife Randall uses in Episode 10 of Season 2. It appears to be a sheath knife without any serrations on the blade, finger grooves on the grip, and a clip point. I checked the official Gerber website, but I was unable to see any knife pictured there which resembled this one. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 19:20, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

On the actual subject of the firearms used in the finale, I think Lori uses the Charter Arms Pug that Carl had earlier in the season. Daryl used a revolver I couldn't ID.... Looked like a .38 of some kind with a 4 or 5 inch barrel, but I'm not sure. [[User:Krakydak|Krakydak]] 22:02, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

To add to that, Glenn was seen using Shane's Mossberg with the M4-style stock in the finale. (Shane no longer needed it.)
Hershel was also seen using, what I believe is the Remington 870 Wingmaster used by Dayrl in "Vatos"

== Logo on Carl's shirt ==
This is way off topic for IMFDB, but the logo on Carl's shirt in the episode "Better Angels", a black bear paw in front of a red atom, I know I've seen it elsewhere but I can't place it. At first I thought it was the old Blackwater logo, but the BW logo is a black bear paw in a red scope crosshair. Does anyone recognize it? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 19:13, 18 March 2012 (CDT)

:The logo on Carl's shirt is for "Science Dog" - another comic book by the creator of TWD, Robert Kirkman. The comic book version of Carl has this same exact logo on his shirt too. Adding this level of detail to Carl's wardrobe in the TV series was a nice touch, I would say. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 07:01, 19 March 2012 (CDT)

== The guns of the survivors ==
Way back in episode one of the series we see Rick load up all of the available weapons from the precinct's armory for his journey to Atlanta. And while we've had about 18 episodes to ask the question we really haven't yet. If they weapons came from the police armory why do a good portion of the long guns appear to be hunting firearms? The Browning BAR, the Remington 700, the Remington 870 and such look out of place in the right context.

- Well, I think that the older wooden-furniture Remington 870 and the Remington 700 can be explained, as it is a small, rural County Sheriff's Office in Georgia. Before the widespread distribution of tactical sniper rifles, M16's and M4's across America's police departments, police were using other weapons, such as the Remington 700 and the Winchester Model 70 for that purpose. Also, we see Rick gathering up the weapons AFTER the outbreak. The Sheriff's officers could have grabbed the new firearms and left the older ones, which would still be in the armory for storage and reserve purposes. If the story was broadened, it would probably show the other Sheriff's deputy's taking tactical rifles and carbines to employ them in the field. [[User:Scattergun|Scattergun]]

:One thing that always struck me as "unrealistic" about TWD has been the types and and amounts of guns depicted in seasons 1 and 2, along with the feelings of some of the characters toward guns. The setting for this show all along has been in Georgia, which in real life is a "red" pro-gun southern state with a longtime history of private gun ownership among a large percentage of the population. So far on TWD however, the way in which guns have been depicted seems somewhat more as if the show's setting has been in a "blue" anti-gun northeastern state like New Jersey!

:In real-life Georgia, I have no doubt that there are many civilians who own at least one semi-automatic rifle chambered for a military cartridge and a few high-capacity magazines for it, and that number probably increased by even more after Obama got elected in 2008. Bearing this in mind, I can't see why there would not have been at least a few people in that survivor's camp outside Atlanta during season 1 armed with something more than just hunting firearms and handguns. The two "redneck" characters in season 1 - Merle and Daryl - they would have both had tactical-type rifles and hidden caches of ammunition for them if it had been up to me. Rednecks in real life have been stockpiling ammunition ever since Obama got elected. Plus, seasons 1 and 2 have had two former cops in the group - Rick and Shane - but neither one of them have ever seen the need to acquire better firepower. There were M4's and other weapons scattered all around the outside of the CDC in season 1, but nobody thought to pick any of them up. If I had been Rick, I would have been constantly telling everybody else in the group all throughout seasons 1 and 2 to keep gathering up guns and ammunition whenever possible. That one black bag Rick loaded up at the police station's armory in the first episode of season 1 could not possibly have held enough ammunition to last all the way to the end of season 2.

:Then there were the anti-gun sentiments among some members in the group - Lori in season 1 and 2, and Hershel in season 2. Lori's objections to her son Carl learning how to shoot struck me as being a bit odd. Lori is supposed to be a housewife from a small town in the South who is married to a cop, not a soccer mom with a career from a liberal anti-gun upbringing. Being that Carl is the son of a southern small town cop, I think it would have been more realistic if he had already learned a few things about shooting from his dad Rick long before the outbreak. Hershel's attitude towards guns struck me as being most odd. Hershel is supposed to be a cattle rancher from rural Georgia, so when he said that he did want his property to become an "armed camp" from the group carrying guns around, I was shaking my head by then. Cattle ranchers in real life often have to keep a gun handy to kill coyotes and other pests. I doubt that coyotes would stay away from a farm or ranch with livestock on it after a zombie apocalypse starts. I would have to say that Hershel seemed to redeem himself later in season 2 when he said that he knew how to shoot, although he did not like to. In the season 2 finale however, Hershel seemed to be very much into showing off his shooting skills. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 10:43, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

::I just want to say a couple of things about this rant. First, you are being very stereotypical about the South, thinking that everyone is a gun-toting redneck. I can speak from experience because I am from the most anti-gun state in the country, Massachusetts, I think I can guarantee that there are at least a few people living in the South who don't like firearms. Like I said, I am from Massachusetts, but I like guns, unlike most of the state and most of the Northeast for that matter, except New Hampshire of course. Also, the show takes place a few weeks after the zombie outbreak, most of the people with the military caliber firearms have probably long since left and moved to places they would think was safer. About Rick teaching Carl to shoot guns, he is a cop, so maybe he has seen people get badly hurt by guns, so he didn't want anything to happen to Carl. Hershel knows how to shoot pretty well. I am guessing by his hate for guns, he probably faced some kind of horrible incident in the past that resulted from him using a gun. Again, this is just speculation. In the season 2 finale, Hershel showed his shooting skills because by this time, his outlook on the undead had completely changed. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 18:01, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

:::We love our guns up here in New Hampshire! Rick teaching Carl about guns is a good thing and something that is needed. He'll be needing to use that gun more considering how the world has become with the Zombies. --[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:57, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

::::Oh no, I completely agree with teaching Carl to use guns after the zombie outbreak, but I mean before the outbreak maybe Rick didn't have any motivation to teach his son to use guns, that's all. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 19:36, 21 March 2012 (CDT)

:::::SmithandWesson36, have you been to the South much? I have. I have been to most of the southern states myself, and not just to the large cities and tourist spots, either. I also live in a somewhat rural part of Pennsylvania - it's had some population growth over the last 15 years. Anyway, the point I was trying to make above is that these days, in the "red states" of the South and other rural areas, there are more tactical type rifles in the hands of "plain folks" civilians than ever before. It's more than some people may even realize or want to admit, and the buyers are not necessarily ones who fit the "redneck" mold. Case in point: Not long after Obama was elected in 2008, the biggest gun shop in my area was packed every time I went in to browse. The gun shop's employees were often telling me back then that they could not keep up with the demand for semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 Remington. I made some small talk there once with a single mom, who seemed articulate enough, not a redneck type, etc. She was with her teenage son - they were there to buy her first gun. She bought a Yugo SKS rifle. (I think she wanted to buy an AR type rifle at first, but the SKS was much cheaper.) Also in 2008, I went to several parts of North Carolina at different times that year. I noticed that even the small pawn shops in the suburban "Research Triangle" area of NC had at least one or two AK type rifles. Plus, every time I have been to either of the two shooting ranges that I regularly go to, there has always been at least one person there shooting his or her own AR type rifle. Based upon my own personal experiences such as these, this is part of the reason why wrote what I did above. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 01:11, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Originally this started out as a discussion about why a police precinct would have hunting firearms in the armory. I don't really know how we got into the portrayal of red state/blue state issues in the show and about who personally owns what and why as opposed to something else.

As to the anti-gun bias on the show, I believe that it's to some degree understandable when considering everything. Rick and Shane are police officers, their training dictates that firearms not in the hands of fellow officers are a threat to their safety. Even if the dead have started walking that training is still with them and they're going to be relying on what they know. Hershel's stance is understandable because he sees the Walkers as sick people in need of help, not open slaughter like what was possibly being shown on the news reports. He understands that the survivors don't see things his way and would rather shoot a Walker rather than help it and he wants to prevent that...at least until after Shane opens his eyes to the truth. Lori is a mother and worries about the safety of her son, possibly because so many kids get shot and killed each year and was afraid of contributing to that. It's also possible she's opposed to the idea of Carl learning to shoot because it doesn't jive with her hopes of the world returning to what is used to be when there was order and safety. It's possible she views the idea of her child growing up cold and hard is just another nail in the coffin of the world having any sort of order to it again and she doesn't want to be swinging that hammer. --[[User:Ballistics_Expert2|Ballistics_Expert2]]

:Thank you, Ballistics_Expert, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I wasn't arguing anything about red state/blue state, I'm simply stating that not everyone single person in the South loves guns and some are opposed to them. I didn't mean anything political by that, I just meant that anywhere you go, there will be people who disagree with the common concensus of the area. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 13:37, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

...and back to the subject...reason would lead one to believe the other cops already took the duty guns at the begining and all that was left was confiscated guns left in the evidence locker or something.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 14:44, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

:Plausible, considering Shane's M4-stocked Mossy sort of stands out from the rest of the group's guns. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:29, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

::I don't know about anyone else here, but my experience with firearms and viewing preferences with firearms-related TV shows is much more based in real life than in make-believe. I shoot my semi-auto tactical rifles and 1911 pistols on a regular basis and I know many other people who do likewise. I have been to gun shops, gun shows, and gun ranges all over this country. TWD is the only fictional TV show that I am into these days - all the other ones I watch are the "reality" shows on History Channel, Discovery, NatGeo, etc. ("Sons of Guns"/"Doomsday Preppers"/"American Guns"/"Top Shot" - just to name a few.) If you watch shows like these, have been to the South as often as I have been, have been around many gunners like I have, and have seen what I have seen, you probably also would have been a bit disappointed to see how nobody in season 1 of the TWD already had at least one modern semi-auto tactical carbine, or even an older military surplus rifle such the M1 Garand or the SKS. I have already tried to point out how it is actually quite common in real life for civilians in "red" states like Georgia to own semi-auto rifles such as these, and it's not just the hardcore "redneck" types who own them now - it's more like people from all walks of life instead. As a matter of fact, due to an overwhelming demand from the civilian market, Sturm Ruger, America's largest gun maker, actually had to halt production temporarily just this week. Bearing all of this in mind, this is why I say that it should not have even mattered if Rick and Shane's hometown police station's armory had already been looted of all the tactical carbines. As for some people in the South being anti-gun/non-gun-owners, sure, they exist, but they are nowhere as nearly numerous as the anti-gunners/non-gun-owners are in a "blue" state up North like New Jersey, and these are exactly the types of people who are mostly likely going to die first and die the most in a widespread zombie outbreak, simply because they will be totally unarmed before an outbreak begins. The percentage of lawful gun owners in most of the "red" states is 50% or greater. In most of the "blue" states, the percentage of lawful gun owners is as low as 10%.

::Now, one thing that did strike me as "realistic" about the depiction of "blue" states in TWD were the characters of Dave and Tony in the "Nebraska" episode. Both of them seemed to me as being very much "blue" state guys - it was as if they were two lost cast members of the "Jersey Shore" show or something. (Could you imagine having to rely on people like them during a zombie outbreak? Would you want "Snooki" or "the situation" in your survivor group?) What I mean by this is that Dave and Tony both acted like cocky jerks with chips on their shoulders. Dave actually did mention something about meeting Tony along Route 95 outside of Philadelphia, which is also rather close to the Jersey Shore for those of you who did not know this. Much like a great many of the "blue" state folks, neither Dave nor Tony were likely gun owners, or had had any firearms training prior to the zombie outbreak. Dave actually mentioned that he got his SIG pistol off a dead cop. For all we know, Dave was the one who killed that cop, in cold blood, no less. Tony had a sawn-off Mossberg HS12 - he was probably the one who cut the stock on it down, too. If that is what happened, then it just goes to show how clueless Tony was about guns in general. Just about everything Dave and Tony said and did in the "Nebraska" episode was ignorant, rude, and rubbed me the wrong way. How Rick handled Dave and Tony was one of the best decisions he made during all of season 2 as far as I am concerned. --[[User:Kepiblanc|Kepiblanc]] 20:41, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

:::Okay, I'm sorry, but I am still confused about why you keep bringing up "blue states" and "red states," all I am trying to say is that maybe all the modern, military caliber weapon wielding people left with their weapons to find better shelters out of a small town with no protection. I don't get what you mean by having people from the Jersey Shore as survivors in your group, I have a friend with relatives from the Jersey Shore who are not orange-skinned Italians. You also say that Dave and Tony are ignorant and rude because they come from a "blue" state? I'm sorry, but you are rudely stereotyping people, which has nothing to do with what this discussion is about. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:26, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

Anyway, getting back to the original topic,there is an Android Walking Dead game made by AMC and explains the first events of the outbreak right after Rick got shot, all the way up to Shane heading to the hospital to save Rick. According to the game, there were only three officers at the station when the first zombies attacked, Shane, Leon, and someone named Don. Judging by the fact that there are times when only three officers are at the station, there are probably not too many officers in this small town. I think that the police force of this town might just have been too small for it to have the budget to buy tactical rifles and they didn't really have the need for more firepower than hunting firearms. How much crime can a tiny town have, right? This is obviously just speculation, but it is my opinion. Although the real reason for their weapons could just be that a zombie show would be boring if the survivors were untouchable because they had military-grade firepower and tons and tons of ammo. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 22:06, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

== Police Armory ==

Hello everybody. Pretty spirited discussion going on above. Okay first of all (don't know how applicable this is, but here goes) I'm a police officer. October 12, 2012 will make twelve years for me. I'm also in Idaho which is in the Northwest, but very much a Red State. My department has 63 sworn officers (full-time) and eight reserve officers. I think. Our city is closing in on 50,000 residents.

Our swat team is called TRT (Tactical Response Team). We have two snipers. Both are equipped with Remington 700 rifles in .308. The rifles have 18" heavy barrels, synthetic sticks, scopes, bipods ect. All the gee-whiz tactical stuff. The other TRT members are equipped with Colt AR-15 carbines (16" barrel) and all the various accoutrements that have come to be assocaited with the AR-15 platform in the past decade. TRT officers are issued their rifles by the department.

Other offcers who wish to carry an AR-15 have to purchase the rifle out of their own pocket and attend a week long class. They have to qualify with the rifle at the end of the week if they hope to carry the rifle. The department supplies forty rounds for the rifle.

If you don't want to purchase a rifle you can carry a Remington 870 Police shotgun (supplied by the department) in 12 gauge, but it isn't mandatory.

We are issued either a [[Glock 21]] (45acp) or a [[Glock 19]] (9mm) if the 21 is too large and so on. I carry the [[Glock 19]] and I am also authorized to carry the [[Glock 26]] and the [[Smith & Wesson Model 36 / 38#Smith & Wesson Model 38/49|Smith & Wesson Model 49 Bodyguard]] as my backups and off duty pieces.

Only a couple years before I joined my department the TRT officers were carrying the [[Ruger Mini-14]] with the wooden stock and the [[Remington 870]] shotgun - also with the wooden stock. There was just one sniper and he carried the [[Savage 10/110 Series Rifles|Savage 110]] in .243 also outfitted with a wooden stock.

Officers were allowed to carry whatever type of semi-auto handgun they wanted as long as it was in 9mm, 40S&W or 45 acp. We didn't go to issuing Glocks until 2006.

So as you see it only been over the past fifteen years (more or less) that my department has gotten "modern". I can guarantee that there are many smaller departments out there (in the U.S.) that are still playing catch-up. So the police gun vault that we see in the first episode isn't that difficult to believe in. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:41, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

==Herschel's Shotgun==
is it just me or did herschel's shotgun have like unlimited ammo, cause he was just laying those shells into the zombies like a boss

:Yeah, I was thinking that too, when I watched the episode. I think he reloaded maybe once, and was able to get off upwards of 20 shells out of that. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 22:08, 23 March 2012 (CDT)

::Yep. Evidently I wasn't around when the local Cabelas was selling the special Remington 870 "Hollywood" configuration. Darn it. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:16, 24 March 2012 (CDT)

== Herschel's SIG ==

Is it just me or does it look a tad too short to be a P226? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 00:11, 29 March 2012 (CDT)
:It also has a rounded trigger guard which makes it a P228/ --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:46, 29 March 2012 (CDT)

==Mossberg HS12==
Uh, are there ANY other screencaps of this gun? The one we have does NOT prove that it is a Mossberg HS12 on its' own. I'm sure that there are other screenshots available (I don't work on this page so I count on others to do it). But right now it is a vague and nondistinct image and thus a new gun page for the Mossberg HS12 was created just for this one entry. We need to verify that this gun ID is correct. Thanks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:55, 28 May 2012 (CDT)

== Season 3 Mystery suppressed Gun ==

Just found this image online. It's apparently a season 3 sneak peek snapshot. What is Rick holding? Almost looks like a two tone glock with a stielhandgranate taped to it, stick pointing towards us.... but its obviously not=P
http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/4/46/Rick.JPG
:Definitely looks like a glock. The can looks like a big Mag-lite to me. [[User:The Kaptain|The Kaptain]] 21:33, 5 June 2012 (CDT)

I'm making an assumption, but it's safe to say it's the same Glock 17 he used in the season 2 finale. Seems like he will be using this pistol along with his Colt Python a lot next season. The suppressor was a pleasant surprise. Given the situation in the show, it's probably just a crude, homemade suppressor made with whatever materials he could scrounge.

I think it might be one of the Russian PBS suppressors, I have to agree with ^ it is good to see a suppressor for once when facing zombies.[[User:Recon42|Recon42]]

The suppressor looks like the one that you see on a mac-10 in desperado image and the silencer in that image looks similar.[[User:Balin21|Balin21]]

For sure it's a Glock, however I was thinking it was a crude homemade suppressor, [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 19:28, 12 June 2012 (CDT)

Remember Rick has T Dog's glock(shane hid his then took t dog's and rick took it when he killed shane) and the suppressor does look like a mac 10 suppressor bt it is likely homemade. --[[User:Yo dawg 111|Yo dawg 111]] 08:50, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

I think it is a home-made suppressor made from a [http://www.maglite.com/D_Cell_LED.asp Maglite 2 D-cell torch] (or maybe the 3 cell is hard to tell from that shot). The tube with a hole drilled in the base cap alternating between fabric packing and empty chambers would probably kind of work as a suppressor, hard bit would be somehow attaching the lamp end to the muzzle. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:59, 13 June 2012 (CDT)

On the talking dead, the producers state it is a flashlight as a makeshift suppressor --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:11, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

== First look at David Morrissey ==

First picture of David Morrissey as the Governor is up, he'll be the chief antagonist for some time to come on the show. One of his men in the background is holding something in his hand over his shoulder...can anyone make it out?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=91132

Too blurry, but my first thought was some form of speargun:
http://i.pgcdn.com/pi/1/87/67/18767193_260.jpg
Then again, I just got back from Cancun so I got fishing on the mind =P
--[[User:Geckcgt|Geckcgt]] 01:02, 11 June 2012 (CDT)

== Season 3 ==

Season 3 trailer is up, lots of footage to comb through! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcXvotzU2k

Im willing to screencap it but its to low quality for me. Maybe someone else can [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 09:09, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

Merle is back. Hopefully this season will have a bit more zip than Season 2. With the exception of the last couple episodes S2 was a little on the slow side. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 09:14, 14 July 2012 (CDT)

In the trailer I can see a helicopter from the UH-1 series along with an MG that I could not ID due to the low quality also the prison had some firearms available inside, Rick used a used a silenced handgun that may be a Glock. Also what kind of firearms would be availible to prison guards anyways? [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]]

Talk:Heckler & Koch

2012-01-23T02:18:55Z

Captain Snikt:

== Handguns ==

If anyone would like to adjust the Handguns' table so that the calibers line up with the capacity available for that caliber that would be great. If you don't get what I mean, look at the Heckler & Koch UMP in the Sub-Machine gun category. --[[User:Zackmann08|Zackmann08]] 23:07, 23 December 2011 (CST)

== :) ==
I like this idea. While this isn't a wiki, strictly speaking, like it or not, this IS the place people go online to learn stuff about firearms. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 16:26, 17 January 2012 (CST)

:Just to "keep it German," I'm glad that a brand-and-firearms-made-by-that-brand page for Walther has been made too. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 23:55, 17 January 2012 (CST)

Who did this page because im certain the HK45 didnt come out in 1995 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 20:18, 22 January 2012 (CST)

Talk:Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol

2011-12-30T16:59:33Z

Captain Snikt: /* Guns seen in movie (in theaters) */

What is the pistol used by Simon Pegg in the 3rd SIG screenshot? Am fairly sure it isn't a P226 as stated. Might be a Glock 17, but the front profile looks too tall/narrow. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:37, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:Has now been changed to say it is a Glock 17, which I admit is closer, but compare the pic of Renner with the Glock 17 to Pegg. They are both held at a similar angle, yet the front view of the guns looks drastically different, with Pegg's lookng much taller/thinner. Maybe it is just lighting though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:33, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Not a Glock - that's for sure. Though that front sight looks Glock, the bore-axis is all wrong. If I look quickly, I think P250, but then I waiver. Definitely Sig though.
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 17:47, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

I don't know, if you look closely on the slide, it looks like it has Glock type markings.Plus the slide release appears to be the same as other Glocks. Possible Non Gun? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:20, 19 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:MI4 513.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

I don't know why, but the gun is looking real CGI-ish to me. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:11, 22 December 2011 (CST)
: I saw this exact shot in an Empire magazine article and although it was only a tiny picture, it looked a lot like a SIG P226. However, this one doesn't so suspect it could have been messed around with. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:It's a P226R in the film, that's why this Glock looks odd, it's been edited in. Why? I have no idea. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== Some more screenshots ==

Some more weapons to be ID'ed. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:39, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

[[File:MI4 200.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:MI4 202.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Makarov PM. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)

[[File:MI4 204.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Top one looks like it could be a USP compact. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:34, 4 July 2011 (CDT)
::It is. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:39, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

USP Compact, Five-seven?, ???--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

*The bottom one looks like a H&K P7 with a suppressor and the slide locked back. Yay, unrealistic sparking bullets! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:28, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

::The second one is propably a 1911 variant --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:34, 9 September 2011 (CDT)

i saw it, the top one is indeed a usp compact, the middle is a makarov pm, and the bottom is an hk p7m13

Same as anon above, USP Compact, Makarov PM, P7. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)

Another two photos from the latest trailer:

[[File:MI4-pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brandt pulls the slide off a henchman's pistol.]]
[[File:MI4-pistol-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:: A Cougar --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 17:11, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

== The sig p226r==
The bottom picture on the Sig p226r section is the P226 TACOPS. You can tell my the extended grip well.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:47, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

I don't think this pistol is a TACOPS as it lacks the beavertail. Closest thing I can come up with is that it is a P226 Super Capacity Tactical fitted with the "Magwell" grips the TACOPS has. Proof will really be in the trigger, as the SCT is an older model and has the traditional trigger, as opposed to the TACOPS (which seems to have replaced it in the current SIG line-up) which has the new short reset trigger. Trigger is not visible in the trailer though, so will have to wait for the movie to come out to be sure. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:If we're not sure that it's a P226 TACOPS, who the hell changed it? Personally, I don't think it is one...the screencap is too blurry to tell if the grip is extended, and Paula Patton might just not have very big hands (which most women don't). Until the movie comes out and we can confirm the identity of the pistol, let's just call it a P226R for now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:04, 1 December 2011 (CST)

The picture is crappy...watch the trailer it does for sure have the extended grip and you can tell it has the tritium truglow sight on the front as well...yes it is possible someone put the extended grips onto a SCT but what would be the point of doing that? Its a Sig with all the features of the Tacops...i personally didnt change it but i think it the right gun.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 11:16, 1 December 2011 (CST)
:It doesn't have all the features of a Tacops as it lacks the beavertail, meaning that it is either a P226R with the slide changed for a Tacops one and magwell grips fitted, or it is a SCT with the grips added. Or it is a variant I am not aware of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:46, 1 December 2011 (CST)

Did some looking around and it seems like Sig did produce SCT models with the magwell grips on them...that would explain the lack of beavertail and why it has the tritium truglo sights.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 11:49, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure if SIG actually made SCTs with the magwell grips, but it was a common aftermarket mod as shown below:
:[[File:P3300159.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG-Sauer P226 Super Capacity Tactical fitted with Magwell grips - 9x19mm]]
::I've also photo shopped the Magwell grips onto an SCT, think this is a better picture:
::[[File:P226 SCT shopped.jpg|thumb||none|400px|]]
::--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:50, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::Finally saw the movie on IMAX, and I now agree that Carter's SIG is indeed a P226 SCT (I was able to see the extended magwell and the forward cocking serrations on the slide). The rest of the SIGs in the movie are P226 E2s and I believe there was at least one P229R. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:20, 30 December 2011 (CST)

==Kremlin==

The Russian Guards at the Kremlin wouldnt use a SKS in real life would they?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:Ceremonial guards, which those soldiers are supposed to be, use the SKS while parading: [http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/12/phdstudent-1.jpg Kremlin Guards] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 21:25, 30 November 2011 (CST)

Sad!...how embarrassing for them.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 09:28, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:!? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:16, 1 December 2011 (CST)

What's embarassing? They are ceremonial guards much like the 3rd Infantry Regiment here in the U.S. at Arlington. The ones that the public sees are there for a specific purpose but the remainder of the unit is at the ready in case of an incident. Are you going to tell the guards at Arlington that you're embarrassed because they carry M1 Garands when on duty? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:25, 19 December 2011 (CST)

Are you seriously comparing a M1 to a SKS?! Its embarrassing because its a SKS...SKSs suck, M1 garands are awesome. Sucky guns=embarrassing...Awesome guns=not embarrassing.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:49, 22 December 2011 (CST)

@spades of columbia: Only sad thing about this is your way of thinking. You're disgrace of your country... Because you're the embarassing one. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 10:42, 23 December 2011 (CST)

Nitpick: The Arlington guards carry M14s, not M1s. The USMC drill team uses M1s.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:47, 22 December 2011 (CST)

Sad dude!...im a disgrace to my country because i think the SKS is the worst military weapon of all time?...what does my country even have to do with this? I am a Montana man myself and America never adopted the SKS, we only imported them and that was because they were sooooo cheap that even the poorest american could buy a gun...i mean come on the Hi point is more reliable and more accurate and even cost more then the sks...If i was a military guy myself i would carry a The Springfield Model 1892-99 or a Mosin before i would grab a SKS. Yes i am a little bit of a gun snob but a disgrace?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 12:49, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:I don't know why you're pissing on the SKS. The gun itself is cheap, the ammo is cheap, it's simple to use, and it lacks a lot of features that might restrict its sale in some places, like a pistol grip or detachable mags. I have both a Hi-point carbine and an SKS, and I like my SKS better. It may not be as accurate, but it's more reliable and the ammo might actually be cheaper. (And Russians using Russian guns. What's the world coming to?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Cool story bro! :D Your statements reeks of "american made weapons are better than those made in east" -propaganda. Cold war ended already, you know? --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 13:23, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:By the way, SKS has been created in 1945 and it seems to me that in 1945 it looked not worse than M1 Garand. SKS has the same reliability, as well as АК-47. But it allows to do much more accurate shooting than AK. It seems АК-47 isn't a sucks? But why SKS a sucks?
:P.S. Guards at the Kremlin has many weapon. From Glocks to AWSMs. But use SKS as the ceremonial weapon of the Kremlin guards is a tradition since 1950th years. Earlier they used SVT-40. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)

@Flexo: From my experience I've learned that american has strict hate against non-american weapons. SKS doesn't suck, it just "american sucks". No offence against american people, but that's the mainstream truth. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 22:41, 29 December 2011 (CST)

==Random thoughts from seeing the movie in IMAX==
Saw MI4 in IMAX this Saturday (the IMAX version was released a week early). It was an awesome visual treat, the 30 mins of IMAX footage look spectacular. The high-tech train car/safe-house that can be seen in the trailer had racks of what looked like G36Cs and and P226Rs, which have already been ID'd on the main page, and possibly the newest versions of the P229, not sure.

Question to you guys with real handgun service/repair experience, in the real world could some one reach over and remove the slide from a hand gun like Brandt does to the guard's Cougar? It seems to me that the slide should be much harder to get off, since wouldn't it fly off randomly in usage if it were as easily removed in the real world?

Also a kudos to the production team is that they seem to have gotten the actors (at least for Jeremy Renner) some decent firearms training because we see Brandt disarm Hunt of his handgun and then he releases the magazine from the gun AND releases the round in the chamber. Many actions movies seem to forget about the one already in the chamber when showing the hero removing the bullets from a handgun.

Also the fact that Jeremy Renner kept his finger off the trigger as he never intended on pulling the trigger.

:I think this is relatively easy to do with a Cougar as unlike other handguns you do not need to retract the slide at all. To remove it you just hold a button on the right side of the frame, flick the locking lever down and pull the slide forward. Not sure if you can do this with a loaded magazine in place though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:42, 19 December 2011 (CST)

: Fixed something in that third paragraph --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:10, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:: I know that pulling forward on the slide use to allow it to be pulled off, as that was one of the reasons given for police to stick with revolvers for a long time, and was even taught somewhere as a disarmament technique (I do not remember where). I do not know if something more modern would still allow you to do this, or even if it is that easy to do (never tried it) but at least at some point in the not so distant past it was. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 08:16, 20 December 2011 (CST)

When they board the traincar, one agent was holding a sig 552.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 15:43, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== Guns seen in movie (in theaters) ==

I definitely saw a Tokarev (or a copy) in the hands of one of the assassins in the river scene, the guy on the end. Also, Agent Carter was holding a Sig 552 when they enter the train. In the train armory, I saw some kind of Semi-Auto sniper rifle, possibly a Remington RSASS. It was too slim to be a Barrett. That gun that Dunn in holding in the above screenshot is definitely a Glock, for sure. The silenced pistol from the server room scene (and several scenes before that) looks like a .22, maybe a Browning Buckmark. Its trigger guard was angular, so that rules out a Ruger Mark III, and the slide was chrome. In the river scene I also saw an assassin with a modernized RPK with an under-folding bipod. -Cutter9792. 12/22/2011 17:54, two hours after seeing the movie.

Ok, the supressed pistol in the end scene is a HKP7 (couldnt tell if it had double stack mags (m13) or not tho). Also the last 226 photo is misidentified as ethans SIG its actually belongs to Brandt. Ethan pulls a glock which brant takes off him, so ethan pulls brants SIG only to be disarmed yet again by Brandt --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 10:55, 30 December 2011 (CST)

Talk:Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol

2011-12-30T16:55:54Z

Captain Snikt:

What is the pistol used by Simon Pegg in the 3rd SIG screenshot? Am fairly sure it isn't a P226 as stated. Might be a Glock 17, but the front profile looks too tall/narrow. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:37, 29 June 2011 (CDT)
:Has now been changed to say it is a Glock 17, which I admit is closer, but compare the pic of Renner with the Glock 17 to Pegg. They are both held at a similar angle, yet the front view of the guns looks drastically different, with Pegg's lookng much taller/thinner. Maybe it is just lighting though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:33, 1 July 2011 (CDT)

Not a Glock - that's for sure. Though that front sight looks Glock, the bore-axis is all wrong. If I look quickly, I think P250, but then I waiver. Definitely Sig though.
--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 17:47, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

I don't know, if you look closely on the slide, it looks like it has Glock type markings.Plus the slide release appears to be the same as other Glocks. Possible Non Gun? [[User:Bristow8411|Bristow8411]] 17:20, 19 December 2011 (CST)
[[File:MI4 513.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

I don't know why, but the gun is looking real CGI-ish to me. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:11, 22 December 2011 (CST)
: I saw this exact shot in an Empire magazine article and although it was only a tiny picture, it looked a lot like a SIG P226. However, this one doesn't so suspect it could have been messed around with. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 10:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:It's a P226R in the film, that's why this Glock looks odd, it's been edited in. Why? I have no idea. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:13, 24 December 2011 (CST)

== Some more screenshots ==

Some more weapons to be ID'ed. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:39, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

[[File:MI4 200.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[File:MI4 202.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

Makarov PM. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)

[[File:MI4 204.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

:Top one looks like it could be a USP compact. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 06:34, 4 July 2011 (CDT)
::It is. - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 16:39, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

USP Compact, Five-seven?, ???--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 21:33, 14 August 2011 (CDT)

*The bottom one looks like a H&K P7 with a suppressor and the slide locked back. Yay, unrealistic sparking bullets! :D - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 17:28, 15 August 2011 (CDT)

::The second one is propably a 1911 variant --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 19:34, 9 September 2011 (CDT)

i saw it, the top one is indeed a usp compact, the middle is a makarov pm, and the bottom is an hk p7m13

Same as anon above, USP Compact, Makarov PM, P7. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 23:11, 24 December 2011 (CST)

Another two photos from the latest trailer:

[[File:MI4-pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Brandt pulls the slide off a henchman's pistol.]]
[[File:MI4-pistol-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:: A Cougar --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 17:11, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

== The sig p226r==
The bottom picture on the Sig p226r section is the P226 TACOPS. You can tell my the extended grip well.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:47, 10 September 2011 (CDT)

I don't think this pistol is a TACOPS as it lacks the beavertail. Closest thing I can come up with is that it is a P226 Super Capacity Tactical fitted with the "Magwell" grips the TACOPS has. Proof will really be in the trigger, as the SCT is an older model and has the traditional trigger, as opposed to the TACOPS (which seems to have replaced it in the current SIG line-up) which has the new short reset trigger. Trigger is not visible in the trailer though, so will have to wait for the movie to come out to be sure. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:04, 31 October 2011 (CDT)

:If we're not sure that it's a P226 TACOPS, who the hell changed it? Personally, I don't think it is one...the screencap is too blurry to tell if the grip is extended, and Paula Patton might just not have very big hands (which most women don't). Until the movie comes out and we can confirm the identity of the pistol, let's just call it a P226R for now. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 11:04, 1 December 2011 (CST)

The picture is crappy...watch the trailer it does for sure have the extended grip and you can tell it has the tritium truglow sight on the front as well...yes it is possible someone put the extended grips onto a SCT but what would be the point of doing that? Its a Sig with all the features of the Tacops...i personally didnt change it but i think it the right gun.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 11:16, 1 December 2011 (CST)
:It doesn't have all the features of a Tacops as it lacks the beavertail, meaning that it is either a P226R with the slide changed for a Tacops one and magwell grips fitted, or it is a SCT with the grips added. Or it is a variant I am not aware of. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 11:46, 1 December 2011 (CST)

Did some looking around and it seems like Sig did produce SCT models with the magwell grips on them...that would explain the lack of beavertail and why it has the tritium truglo sights.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 11:49, 2 December 2011 (CST)
:I'm not sure if SIG actually made SCTs with the magwell grips, but it was a common aftermarket mod as shown below:
:[[File:P3300159.jpg|thumb|400px|none|SIG-Sauer P226 Super Capacity Tactical fitted with Magwell grips - 9x19mm]]
::I've also photo shopped the Magwell grips onto an SCT, think this is a better picture:
::[[File:P226 SCT shopped.jpg|thumb||none|400px|]]
::--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:50, 2 December 2011 (CST)

:::Finally saw the movie on IMAX, and I now agree that Carter's SIG is indeed a P226 SCT (I was able to see the extended magwell and the forward cocking serrations on the slide). The rest of the SIGs in the movie are P226 E2s and I believe there was at least one P229R. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:20, 30 December 2011 (CST)

==Kremlin==

The Russian Guards at the Kremlin wouldnt use a SKS in real life would they?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:15, 30 November 2011 (CST)
:Ceremonial guards, which those soldiers are supposed to be, use the SKS while parading: [http://www.milsurps.com/images/imported/2009/12/phdstudent-1.jpg Kremlin Guards] --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 21:25, 30 November 2011 (CST)

Sad!...how embarrassing for them.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 09:28, 1 December 2011 (CST)

:!? - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 21:16, 1 December 2011 (CST)

What's embarassing? They are ceremonial guards much like the 3rd Infantry Regiment here in the U.S. at Arlington. The ones that the public sees are there for a specific purpose but the remainder of the unit is at the ready in case of an incident. Are you going to tell the guards at Arlington that you're embarrassed because they carry M1 Garands when on duty? --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:25, 19 December 2011 (CST)

Are you seriously comparing a M1 to a SKS?! Its embarrassing because its a SKS...SKSs suck, M1 garands are awesome. Sucky guns=embarrassing...Awesome guns=not embarrassing.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:49, 22 December 2011 (CST)

@spades of columbia: Only sad thing about this is your way of thinking. You're disgrace of your country... Because you're the embarassing one. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 10:42, 23 December 2011 (CST)

Nitpick: The Arlington guards carry M14s, not M1s. The USMC drill team uses M1s.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:47, 22 December 2011 (CST)

Sad dude!...im a disgrace to my country because i think the SKS is the worst military weapon of all time?...what does my country even have to do with this? I am a Montana man myself and America never adopted the SKS, we only imported them and that was because they were sooooo cheap that even the poorest american could buy a gun...i mean come on the Hi point is more reliable and more accurate and even cost more then the sks...If i was a military guy myself i would carry a The Springfield Model 1892-99 or a Mosin before i would grab a SKS. Yes i am a little bit of a gun snob but a disgrace?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 12:49, 23 December 2011 (CST)
:I don't know why you're pissing on the SKS. The gun itself is cheap, the ammo is cheap, it's simple to use, and it lacks a lot of features that might restrict its sale in some places, like a pistol grip or detachable mags. I have both a Hi-point carbine and an SKS, and I like my SKS better. It may not be as accurate, but it's more reliable and the ammo might actually be cheaper. (And Russians using Russian guns. What's the world coming to?) --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 14:26, 23 December 2011 (CST)
Cool story bro! :D Your statements reeks of "american made weapons are better than those made in east" -propaganda. Cold war ended already, you know? --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 13:23, 23 December 2011 (CST)

:By the way, SKS has been created in 1945 and it seems to me that in 1945 it looked not worse than M1 Garand. SKS has the same reliability, as well as АК-47. But it allows to do much more accurate shooting than AK. It seems АК-47 isn't a sucks? But why SKS a sucks?
:P.S. Guards at the Kremlin has many weapon. From Glocks to AWSMs. But use SKS as the ceremonial weapon of the Kremlin guards is a tradition since 1950th years. Earlier they used SVT-40. [[User:Flexo|Flexo]] 14:57, 23 December 2011 (CST)

@Flexo: From my experience I've learned that american has strict hate against non-american weapons. SKS doesn't suck, it just "american sucks". No offence against american people, but that's the mainstream truth. --[[User:SilentwarriorX|SilentwarriorX]] 22:41, 29 December 2011 (CST)

==Random thoughts from seeing the movie in IMAX==
Saw MI4 in IMAX this Saturday (the IMAX version was released a week early). It was an awesome visual treat, the 30 mins of IMAX footage look spectacular. The high-tech train car/safe-house that can be seen in the trailer had racks of what looked like G36Cs and and P226Rs, which have already been ID'd on the main page, and possibly the newest versions of the P229, not sure.

Question to you guys with real handgun service/repair experience, in the real world could some one reach over and remove the slide from a hand gun like Brandt does to the guard's Cougar? It seems to me that the slide should be much harder to get off, since wouldn't it fly off randomly in usage if it were as easily removed in the real world?

Also a kudos to the production team is that they seem to have gotten the actors (at least for Jeremy Renner) some decent firearms training because we see Brandt disarm Hunt of his handgun and then he releases the magazine from the gun AND releases the round in the chamber. Many actions movies seem to forget about the one already in the chamber when showing the hero removing the bullets from a handgun.

Also the fact that Jeremy Renner kept his finger off the trigger as he never intended on pulling the trigger.

:I think this is relatively easy to do with a Cougar as unlike other handguns you do not need to retract the slide at all. To remove it you just hold a button on the right side of the frame, flick the locking lever down and pull the slide forward. Not sure if you can do this with a loaded magazine in place though. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:42, 19 December 2011 (CST)

: Fixed something in that third paragraph --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] 22:10, 19 December 2011 (CST)

:: I know that pulling forward on the slide use to allow it to be pulled off, as that was one of the reasons given for police to stick with revolvers for a long time, and was even taught somewhere as a disarmament technique (I do not remember where). I do not know if something more modern would still allow you to do this, or even if it is that easy to do (never tried it) but at least at some point in the not so distant past it was. [[User:Dover500|Dover500]] 08:16, 20 December 2011 (CST)

When they board the traincar, one agent was holding a sig 552.--[[User:James Woods|James Woods]] 15:43, 20 December 2011 (CST)

== Guns seen in movie (in theaters) ==

I definitely saw a Tokarev (or a copy) in the hands of one of the assassins in the river scene, the guy on the end. Also, Agent Carter was holding a Sig 552 when they enter the train. In the train armory, I saw some kind of Semi-Auto sniper rifle, possibly a Remington RSASS. It was too slim to be a Barrett. That gun that Dunn in holding in the above screenshot is definitely a Glock, for sure. The silenced pistol from the server room scene (and several scenes before that) looks like a .22, maybe a Browning Buckmark. Its trigger guard was angular, so that rules out a Ruger Mark III, and the slide was chrome. In the river scene I also saw an assassin with a modernized RPK with an under-folding bipod. -Cutter9792. 12/22/2011 17:54, two hours after seeing the movie.

Ok, the supressed pistol in the end scene is a HKP7 (couldnt tell if it had double stack mags (m13) or not tho) --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 10:55, 30 December 2011 (CST)

Burn Notice

2011-07-12T19:58:55Z

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[[Image:Burnnoticecover.jpg‎|thumb|right|300px|''Burn Notice'' (2007-present)]]

''Burn Notice'' is an American action series that currently airs on the USA Network. The series stars [[Jeffrey Donovan]] as Michael Westen, an American spy who receives a "burn notice", indicating that he's been "blacklisted" from doing any spy work for the government. With his reputation and his finances ruined, Michael finds himself confined to the city of Miami, where his only allies are his former girlfriend and gundealer Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]), former Navy SEAL buddy Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) and his mother Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]). As Michael finds the clues to why he was "burned" and who is behind it, he finds himself helping others in need throughout the city.

'''The following weapons were used in the series ''Burn Notice'':'''
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=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P228==
The sidearm of choice for Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) in Seasons 1-3 is the [[SIG-Sauer P228]]. In Season 5's premiere, "Company Man", CIA officer Max (Grant Show) carries one as his sidearm.
[[Image:Sig-Sauer-P228.jpg|none|300px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P228 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNotice Donovan.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A promo image of Jeffrey Donovan as Michael Westen with a SIG-Sauer P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BN-P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A close-up of Michael's P228 in the episode "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNsig228fire.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael fires his repaired P228 at a propane tank with an open flame attached to it.]]
[[Image:BNsig228clear.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "False Flag", Michael aims his P228 at the assassin.]]
[[Image:BurNotice GabrielAnwar.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|A production image of Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) with a P228 - 9mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1082.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Fiona's SIG appears to be a non-gun version.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael pulls the SIG on Duman in Season 2's "Truth & Reconciliation".]]
[[Image:BurnS5 06.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 5's premiere, "Company Man", CIA officer Max (Grant Show) carries the SIG as his sidearm.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Two Tone)==
The [[SIG-Sauer P226]] two-tone model is carried by one of the Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot and nickel models have been used by many bad guys including Michael's mentor Larry ([[Tim Matheson]]) in Season 3. In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]) holds a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer).
[[Image:SigP226TwoTone02.jpg|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (two-tone)]] - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSIG-SauerP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary holds a (two-tone) [[SIG-Sauer P226]] on Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) while escorting him to the hotel.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 118.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael's wounded brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) has a two toned SIG-Sauer P226 (with a silver slide but black hammer) put to his head by Brennen ([[Jay Karnes]]).]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 (Nickel)==
A nickel [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is used by the kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) in Season 1's "Hard Bargain". Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot". It also seems to have become Jesse's preferred sidearm by the season finale of season 4.
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|[[SIG-Sauer P226|SIG-Sauer P226 (nickel) - 9x19mm]]]]
[[Image:BN-P226-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Michael gets a SIG put in his face by the kidnapper Reyes.]]
[[Image:BN-P226-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The kidnapper Reyes ([[Steven Bauer]]) holds the SIG on Michael.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) holds a nickel SIG on Fiona in Season 4's "Blind Spot".]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
A [[SIG-Sauer P226]] is pulled by Henderson's bodyguard in Season 1's "Wanted Man".
[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]
[[Image:BNsig226guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", a bodyguard draws his SIG-Sauer P226 on Mike when he takes his boss Henderson (Brett Cullen) hostage.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II==
In the Season 2 episode "Turn and Burn", the drug dealer Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) carries a rare [[SIG-Sauer P226#SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II]] as his sidearm (when he isn't using a [[MAC-10]]). This weapon is also seen briefly in the Pilot episode in the hands of Boris, the wannabe warlord.

[[Image:Sig sauer p 226sl stainless steel.jpg|none|350px|thumb|SIG-Sauer P226 SL Sport II - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 002.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Boris the wannabe warlord wields a SIG with a custom compenator as he intimidates Michael in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-352072.jpg|none|500px|thumb|A closeup of Raul's SIG Sport II in "Turn and Burn".]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355275.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In Season 2's "Turn or Burn", Raul ([[Kevin Alejandro]]) holds his SIG on Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]).]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-355159.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]) is threatened with the SIG.]]

== SIG-Sauer P230 ==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", kidnapper Lucio Velasquez (Gonzalo Menendez) pulls a [[SIG-Sauer P230]] on Michael.
[[Image:SigP230SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P230]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKsilver.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", kidnapper Lucio Velasquez (Gonzalo Menendez) draws the SIG on Michael.]]

== Beretta 92FS ==
Sam Axe ([[Bruce Campbell]]) carries a [[Beretta 92FS]] as his personal sidearm throughout the series. The Beretta has also seen use by various other characters throughout the series' run, in both suppressed and unsuppressed forms.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNberettaSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam pulls his Beretta at a possible intruder in Madeline's house.]]
[[Image:BNdoubleBeretta.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ([[Bruce Campbell]]) taunts a gangster by holding the commandeered Beretta (an Inox) and Sam's own "gangster-style".]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The [[Beretta 92FS Inox]] has been used by several characters, including 'Vincent' in a kidnap attempt in the pilot. Gabriel uses a 92FS Inox which he has Fiona strip down and assemble while testing her in Season 3's "Good Intentions".
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In the pilot episode, Vince the bodyguard ([[Chance Kelly]]) pulls his Beretta Inox before entering the house.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92FS.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Vince threatens Michael with a Beretta Inox.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMrPyne.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mr. Pyne ([[Ray Wise]]) with the Inox, moments after he accidentally shot his own goon. The gun is a flash paper version of the Beretta.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBeretta92.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike puts the Beretta in an evidence bag. "A crime lab's wet dream." he calls it, since Mr.Pyne's fingerprints all over it.]]

==Beretta Tomcat==
The Beretta Tomcat is occasionally used by Fiona as her sidearm rather than her Walther. In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]] on Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]).
[[Image:Beretta3032Tomcat.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 3032 Tomcat - .32 ACP ]]
[[Image:BurnS3 215.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" (S3E8), Fiona holds a [[Beretta 3032 Tomcat]].]]

==Beretta Cougar==
Michael hands Nate a [[Beretta Cougar]] in Season 3's "Partners in Crime."
[[Image:8000 Cougar F.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 8000 Cougar - 9x19mm]]
[[File:Burnnoticecoug.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael hands over a Cougar in S3E13 (brightened for clarity)]]

==Colt Python Elite==
In the pilot episode, Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]), the drug dealer who lives next door to Michael, is seen with a [[Colt Python|Colt Python Elite]] when Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) tactically invades his home and steals it during self defense. Michael later uses this stolen weapon to use it as a distraction device. He loads it up with blank rounds, attaches a flare, cell phone and a electric blasting cap to simulate gunfire.

[[Image:Colt python elite.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Colt Python Elite with 6 inch barrel- .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]) aims his [[Colt Python|Colt Python Elite]] at the front door having no clue Michaels coming from the rear. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael loads up .357 blanks into the Colt Python Elite. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael inserts what appears to be a electric blasting cap into a flare that's attached to the Python. Note the cell phone taped on the end of the flare. When Michael makes a phone call, the cap ignites a flare that will heat up the rounds in the revolver and at a random time the rounds will discharge. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColtPython2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael unveils his succeeded project to Mr. Pyne. Note the burn marks on the cylinder are from the ignited flare. ]]

==Colt M1911==
[[M1911_pistol_series#M1911|Colt 1911]] series handguns are seen numerous times throughout the series. In the pilot episode, an M1911 is pulled on a Nigerian mercenary. In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael relieves two cartel soldiers of their M1911A1's. In Season 2, a stainless 1911 is seen in the hands of Eddie the embezzler. In S2's "Rough Seas", another stainless Colt 1911 is given to Mike by the hijacker to defend himself with, which Mike uses to pretend to shoot Virgil, the ex-Navy SEAL. In S3's "Friends and Family", a very shiny M1911 is used by Mike's old friend Harlan in the new season's first episode when he kidnaps Mike and threatens him with it.
In the episode "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.
[[Image:COLTM1911_1913.jpg|none|300px|thumb|Colt M1911 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, an M1911A1 on the left is seen being pulled on a Nigerian mercenary.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 032.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Fight or Flight", Michael takes some M1911A1's off of some cartel soldiers. The one in his left hand looks to be a custom variant, a [[Kimber Custom TLE II]] perhaps.]]
[[Image:Burn 2705.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Shot in the Dark", a 13 year old boy drops a disassembled M1911 before admitting that he plans to kill his stepfather.]]
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainless.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie the embezzler about to discover his 1911 isn't loaded with real bullets.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessBlank.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Eddie fires his 1911, discovering it is loaded with blanks.]]
[[Image:BNcoltFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike aims the gun underneath Virgil's arm and pretends to shoot him.]]
[[Image:BNcoltStainlessFire.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Mike fires his 1911 at the gas tank of a truck while posing as a mild mannered chemist.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911-2.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Harlan shoots Rufino with his 1911. Due to its close proximity to the actor, this is probably a non-gun version. Note that Harlan's pointing the gun slightly off to Rufino's right for safety purposes.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeColt1911.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|Shiny! Harlan then turns the 1911 on Mike. Note the lack of front and rear sights.]]

=="Pre-B" CZ 75==
In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]), the Polish agent pulls a [[CZ 75|"Pre-B" CZ 75]] on Michael.

[[Image:Cz75.jpg|thumb|none|300px|"Pre-B" CZ 75 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Partners in Crime" (S3E14), Conrad ([[Tom Nowicki]]) pulls a "Pre-B" CZ 75 on Michael. Note the rounded trigger guard.]]

==CZ 75BD==

In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael and his new "friend" John Beck use a Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].
[[Image:Cz75bd.jpg|thumb|none|300px|CZ 75BD (decocker) - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Michael with the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]].]]
[[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael holds the Czech [[CZ 75|CZ 75BD]] on his new "friend" John Beck.]]
[[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ75 lays on the ground. Note the decock lever in place of the normal safety switch]]

== Desert Eagle ==
A nickel-plated [[Desert Eagle]] is seen in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4) when Sam is being audited as proof of his trip to the Middle East. He took it from a guy which was part of a group they were targeting, quote "There was this thing, and then the gun didn't have an owner anymore."
[[Image:DesertEagle357Black.jpg‎|thumb|390px|none|Desert Eagle MK VII - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Sam Desert Eagle Audit.JPG|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4), the IRS agent displays the nickel-plated Desert Eagle that Sam says is proof of his trip to the Middle East.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 115.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a gold-plated Desert Eagle.]]

== FN FiveseveN ==
In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", bloodthirsty hooligan Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) uses a [[FN FiveseveN]] to hold Fiona hostage.
[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FN FiveseveN - 5.7x28mm ]]
[[Image:FiveseveN_BurnNotice.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Thomas O'Neill ([[Paul Blackthorne]]) with an FN Five-SeveN while holding Fiona.]]

== Glock 17 ==
[[Glock_17#Glock_17|Glock 17's]] are used by Miami PD in the many instances when Mike tricks criminals into being arrested to solve his problem of the week. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) uses a [[Glock#Glock 17|Glock 17]] pistol with a silver (possibly hard-chromed) slide and a suppressor attached. In Season 3, Detective Paxson and Detective Lopez both have Glock 17's. Michael uses a glock 17 in "The Hunter". In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 17 Second Generation - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2043.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Miami PD officer with his Glock 17 Second Generation.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Question & Answer", Sam uses a Glock 17 while playing a corrupt detective.]]
[[Image:Glock 17.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Generation 3 Glock 17 with stainless steel slide and adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSD.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", Prescott ([[Mark Sheppard]]) aims his Glock 17 at the bank manager.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneSDback.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The bank manager gets a Glock put to his head by Prescott.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneDisable.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike disables Prescott's Glock with a nitrogen spray-gun.]]
[[Image:BNglock19tutoneXplode.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Prescott's Glock 17 explodes when he tries to shoot Agent Bly.]]

==Glock 17 (Full Auto Conversion)==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot", one of Felix's thugs fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto with an extended mag on Michael's armored car.
[[Image:Glock 17machinepistol.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm - (converted to full-auto)]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2019.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Hot Spot", Felix's thug fires a [[Glock 17]] converted to full auto. Note that the weapon appears to have jammed.]]

== Glock 19 ==
In Season 1's "Unpaid Debts", corrupt cops are seen using "department issued" [[Glock_17#Glock_19|Glock 19's]], which is how Mike realizes they are police. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad. In Season 2's "Turn and Burn" (S2E2), DEA Agent Sophia ([[Jacqueline Piñol]]) carries one as her sidearm, which she draws on Michael when he finds out his identity. In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 19 Second Generation - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock19mike.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Michael holds a Glock 19 he took off a Bulgarian in a drug deal gone bad.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 217.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friends Like These" Natalie ([[Callie Thorne]]) pulls a Glock from the trunk of a car that has been left for her, when she is cornered by Fiona. She seems to have a low grip here, but corrects it by the next shot.]]
[[Image:BurnS3 218.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Natalie's Glock. She quips that she always tells her buyers to leave two things in any car left for her: a duffel full of cash, and a gun full of bullets.]]

== Glock 26 ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", a Bulgarian who tries to spoil a gun deal pulls a [[Glock_17#Glock_26|Glock 26]] from an ankle holster.
[[Image:Glock_26.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Glock 26 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNglock26.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", the Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 at Seymour's sports car.]]
[[Image:BNglock26fire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The Bulgarian fires his Glock 26 as Michael and Seymour flee.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP==
A [[Heckler_%26_Koch_USP#Heckler_.26_Koch_USP|Heckler & Koch USP]] with a chrome slide is seen in the hands of several characters in the series. In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) pulls a USP at Mike in a club. In Season 2's "Scatter Point" (S2E05), Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) uses one to coerce Michael into opening a liquor store safe. In "Bad Blood" (S2E6), Fiona uses one while kidnapping Eddie Valentine ([[Method Man]]) In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", the arms dealer Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls a standard USP on Michael after Fiona disarms his bodyguard. Several of Carla's ([[Tricia Helfer]]) men use USP's during the Season 2 finale "Lesser Evil".

[[Image:USP45SS.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Heckler & Koch USP- .45 Auto.]]
[[Image:BNuspClub.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 1's "Family Business", the gun dealer Ari ([[Guri Weinberg]]) aims his USP at Mike in a club.]]
[[Image:BNhkUSPstainless.jpg|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Timo puts the USP to Trevor's head to coerce Mike to open a safe.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 037.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Timo ([[Oded Fehr]]) holds the USP as Michael attempts to crack the liquor store safe.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 08.jpg|thumb|none|500px|John Barrett ([[Robert Patrick]]) pulls his USP on Michael in Season 4.]]
[[Image:USP9mm.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNseymourGun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Seymour ([[Silas Weir Mitchell]]) pulls his USP on Mike, proving he has a faster draw than his bodyguards at least.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Match==
A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Match|Heckler & Koch USP Match]] is briefly seen in the hands of a gun collector, Jonathan Carver (Scott Michael Morgan) when Michael is fleeing the scene of a fake car accident in Season 3 Episode 3 "End Run".
[[Image:H&K-USP-Compensator.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch USP Match - 9x19mm]]
[[File:BNS4 457.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Match|Heckler & Koch USP Match]] is briefly seen in the hands of a gun collector, Jonathan Carver (Scott Michael Morgan) when Michael is fleeing the scene of a fake car accident in Season 3 Episode 3 "End Run".]]

==Heckler & Koch USP Compact==
In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Fiona gives Michael her [[Heckler & Koch USP#Heckler & Koch USP Compact|USP Compact]] with a stainless slide which he says is a .45 caliber. He then uses it when confronting Strickler. Fiona is seen using her USP Compact in Season 2.
[[Image:USPCompactSS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch USP Compact with Stainless slide - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:Burn 5110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Long Way Back", Michael puts the USP Compact in the small of his back.]]
[[Image:Burn 5114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael shoots Tom Strickler twice with the USP Compact from an extremely quick draw and kills him.]]

==Heckler and Koch Mark 23==
A [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] is used by Kent the smuggler in Season 1's finale "Loose Ends". Despite being a former Marine, he has a terrible low grip on his Mark 23. Maybe it's just too much handgun for him, or maybe it's so Michael will be able to easily take it away from him.
[[Image:Mk23.jpg‎|thumb|350px|none|Heckler & Koch Mark 23 - .45ACP.]]
[[Image:BNsocom.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Loose Ends",Kent keeps his massive handgun in his pants.]]
[[Image:Mark23.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Closeup of Kent's Mark 23.]]
[[Image:Mark232.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Kent threatening Michael with the Mark 23. Horrible grip!]]
[[Image:BurnS3 112.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Heckler & Koch Mark 23.]]

==Heckler and Koch P30==
Starting in mid-Season 4, Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) changes his sidearm from the SIG-Sauer P228 to a [[Heckler & Koch P30]]. In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch P30]] that he uses to threaten Michael as well as combat Matt Reece's Thugs.

[[Image:HK-P30.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Heckler & Koch P30 ''(2006-present)'' - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNS4MikeP30.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A production image of Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]] as he aims his HK P30 at a fake chemical bomb in Season 4's "Hot Property".]]
[[Image:BurnS4 309.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm", Cole ([[Jon Seda]]) carries a [[Heckler & Koch P30]].]][[Image:MikeMaxS5E1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A production image of Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) aiming his HK P30 alongside Max (Grant Show) who is carrying a SIG-Sauer P228 in Season 5's "Company Man.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeP30.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A production image of Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) with his HK P30 in Season 5's "Company Man".]]
[[File:BurnS5 03.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires his P30 in "Company Man" (S5E01).]]
[[[[File:BurnS5 11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Madeline Weston ([[Sharon Gless]]) holds Michael's P30 in Season 5's "Bloodlines" (S5E02).]]

== Heckler & Koch VP70 ==
In Season 4's "Brotherly Love", Michael hands off a [[Heckler & Koch VP70]] to Sam that he says has been modified to fire three round bursts.
[[Image:HK VP70Z 1890.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch VP70 - 9x19mm with spare magazine]]

==Jericho 941 "Baby Eagle"==
The Stainless [[Jericho 941]] is a very common sidearm used by bad guys in the show, especially the head bad guy in various episodes. (It's almost like what the [[M1911|Infinity]] is to [[Heroes]].) In Season 1's "Family Business", the boss Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) carried one, which Fiona recognizes as a ''"Desert Eagle 9mm with combat grips"''. Also, in Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a suppressed Jericho. In Season 2's "Sins of Omission", Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) draws down on Michael with one. It is also used in the Season 3's "Question & Answer." In Season 3, a black Baby Eagle was used by the henchmen in "End Run" and in "Enemies Closer" and also is the gun used by Strickler in "Long Way Back."
[[Image:JerichoStainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Stainless IMI Jericho 941 - 9x19mm. The gun pictured here is the screen used pistol in the movie ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'']]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", Michael's brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) gets a Jericho put to his head.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also in "Family Business", Jake Miller ([[Scott Michael Campbell]]) gets a Jericho put to his head. Note that this gun is missing its rear sight for some reason, and the safety is engaged.]]
[[Image:BN-Jericho-3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli Zamar ([[Joel Swetow]]) draws his Jericho when he finds out what happens to his arms shipment in Season 1's "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSuppressed.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "False Flag", Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) fires her suppressed Jericho at Mike.]]
[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) aims his Jericho at Mike who is pretending to be a mild mannered chemist.]]
[[Image:BNjerichoSPAM.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Chandler stows his Jericho in his waistband before going inside his building.]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2055.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 2's "Sins of Omission".]]
[[Image:BurnS3 001.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Strickler ([[Ben Shenkman]]) pulls his Jericho on Mike in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Jericho 941FB Compact==
In Season 3's "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), the drug dealer Carlos ([[Carlos Gomez]]) pulls his [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941FB]] Compact on Michael. In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), Jacob's brother Eddy carries a [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941FB]] Compact as his sidearm and is seen pulling it on Michael.
[[Image:Jericho941FBCompact.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Jericho 941FB Compact 9x19mm, This one is a Magnum Research Model, as it was made in Minneapolis.]]
[[File:BNS4 456.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), the drug dealer Carlos ([[Carlos Gomez]]) pulls his [[Jericho 941|Jericho 941FB]] Compact on Michael.]]

== Kimber Pro Carry II ==
A [[M1911_pistol_series#Kimber_Pro_Carry_II|Kimber Pro Carry]] with a black slide and stainless frame is seen many times throughout the series. It appears to be an Aegis. It is first seen in the hands of a con artist in Season 1's "Identity". Michael describes it as having extended controls and a beveled magazine well, which shows how serious the criminal is. The competition style extended frame safety is noticeable in one brief shot. In Season 2's "Scatter Point", a similar firearm (possibly the same exact one) is used by Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]), the muscle of the bank robbery crew.
[[Image:KimberProCarryII_1911.jpg|none|300px|thumb|none|]]

[[Image:BurnS1 028.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Identity", Michael uses the Kimber to shoot the tires of a patrol car.]]
[[Image:BNcoltCommander.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|In Season 2's "Scatter Point", Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]) draws her Kimber Pro Carry II. The adjustable sights are barely visible.]]

== Lorcin Model L22 ==
Victor carries a Lorcin Model L22 in .22LR as a concealed weapon. Mike calls it "cute," but it's enough to make him think twice about attacking Victor when it's held on him under a chess table.
[[Image:BNjetfire22.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Victor holds his Lorcin Model L22 at Mike under the table.]]

==Makarov PM==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Makarov PM]] is seen in a display in a mansion in Miami, which catches Fiona's eye. As a reward for his assistance Mike buys it on the cheap and gives it to her for her birthday. While military surplus Makarov's are very common and inexpensive, there are some that are sought-after collector's pieces for various reasons.
[[Image:MakarovPM.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", Makarov PM is seen in a gun case, alongside a Ruger Blackhawk, a S&W 629 Performance Center, and a Colt 1911.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1032.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona holds the Makarov she received as a gift from Michael in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".]]

== STI Edge ==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[M1911#STI Edge|STI Edge]].
[[Image:Stiedgestockimage1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|STI Edge - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BurnS3 110.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a STI Edge (seen on the upper right)]]

==Ruger Mk I==
In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a [[Ruger Mk I]]. Pretending to be an idiot, Michael asks if it is a 357.
[[Image:RugerMk1Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger Mk I pistol - .22 LR]]
[[Image:BurnS3 114.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "End Run" (S3E03), Michael is seen admiring a gun engineer's collection of guns, which includes a Ruger Mk I.]]

== Ruger P95 ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part 2", one of Carmelo the heroin dealer's bodyguards pulls a [[Ruger P95]] on Michael at the club.
[[Image:RugerP95.gif‎|thumb|none|300px|Ruger P95 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1069.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Ruger P95 is seen on the right being pulled on Michael in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 2".]]

==Ruger Blackhawk==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:RugerBlackhawk357.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ruger Blackhawk .357 magnum.]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Ruger Blackhawk]] is seen in the lower left of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36==
Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] in Season 1's "Old Friends".
[[Image:M36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1052.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] to scare off an assassin in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 60==
In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).
[[Image:Classic60.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 60 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:Burn 5103.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Double Booked" (S2E08), Michael takes a [[Smith & Wesson Model 60]] off of Drew ([[Zachary Bryan]]).]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629==
In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler when he wants to know what happened to the stolen painting.
[[Image:S&WMod6294.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 with 4" Barrel - .44 magnum.]]
[[Image:Burn 265.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Seek & Destroy", Jacob Orr ([[M.C. Gainey]]) pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] on Chandler.]]
[[Image:Burn 264.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Scott Chandler ([[Joel Gretsch]]) is threatened with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]].]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 629 Performance Center==
In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in a display case in a mansion in Miami.
[[Image:Smith & Wesson Performance Center model 629.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 629 "Performance Center" with custom weighted barrel and scope rails - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:BNgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Hard Bargain", a [[Smith & Wesson Model 629]] is seen in the upper right of the display case.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 686==
A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.
[[Image:S&WModel686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 686 4" Barrel - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 007.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nigerian bystander pulls a [[Smith & Wesson Model 686]] in the pilot episode.]]

==Smith & Wesson 459==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman sent to kill him.
[[Image:M594.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 459 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2500.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09), Michael holds a [[Smith & Wesson 459]] that he took off the hitman following him.]]
[[Image:Burn 2503.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael holds the S&W on the hitman while taking a call.]]

==Smith & Wesson 4505==
The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09). In Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04), Mike takes up a 4505 after disarming some human traffickers.
[[Image:4505.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 4505 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Burn 5106.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[Smith & Wesson 4505]] is pulled by Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) to threaten Michael in Season 2's "Good Soldier" (S2E09).]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506black.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike tosses the 4505 in the air before catching it in Season 2's "Comrades" (S2E04).]]

==Smith & Wesson 639==
In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives a stainless [[Smith & Wesson 639]] with adjustable sights and a rounded trigger guard to his younger brother Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) to protect himself and their mother. Madeline later is seen holding it when she and Nate go to Michael's place.
[[Image:S&W639 ResDog MWte.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 639 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1", Michael gives the S&W to Nate.]]
[[Image:BNsmith4506nate.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Nate ([[Seth Peterson]]) fires his 639 to hold off some mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Smith & Wesson 5906==
In the pilot episode, one of Sugar's thugs pulls an early model [[Smith_%26_Wesson_5900_pistol_series#Smith_.26_Wesson_5906|Smith & Wesson 5906]] on Fiona and Michael. Michael later uses it with a homemade suppressor to wound Sugar. In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of the bank robbers uses a late model suppressed stainless 5906. A similar one is also carried by the boat guard in the same episode. This model (except with Novak sights) is seen again in Season 3's "Partners in Crime", first when Michael and Tim find it near Isabella's body and later on when Michael gives a similar one to Damon after Fiona fatigues the trigger assembly.
[[Image:S&W5906EarlyModel.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|300px|Early Model Smith & Wesson 5906 - 9x19mm. The early model 5906 pistols had the finger step trigger guard, but they changed it to the rounded trigger guard for 'ease of production'.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1063.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1064.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the S&W with his homemade suppressor in the pilot episode.]]
[[Image:S%26W5906LateModel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainless.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", the boat guard is disarmed of his Smith & Wesson by Sam.]]

==Springfield Armory XD==
In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a two-tone [[Springfield Armory XD|Springfield XD Service]] on Michael.

[[Image:XDBitone.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Springfield Armory XD - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2726.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Omar Hernandez ([[Jacob Vargas]]) pulls a [[Springfield Armory XD]] on Michael.]]

==Taurus PT940==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", a member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) uses his suppressed [[Taurus PT940]] to threaten Prescott.
[[Image:PT940SS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT940 in stainless steel - .40 S&W]]
[[Image:BNsmithFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A member of Prescott's crew ([[Rodney Rowland]]) holds his suppressed PT940.]]
[[Image:BNsmithStainlessBank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bank robber then threatens Prescott with his PT940.]]

==Taurus Model 85==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) twists the cylinder of her stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] next to Mike's ear at the beginning of Season 4's "Hard Time".

[[Image:Taurus85.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus Model 85 - .38 spl.]]
[[Image:BNtaurus85.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona twists the cylinder of her Taurus Model 85]]

==Walther PPK/S==
Fiona Glenanne ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) uses the [[Walther PPK|Walther PPK/S]] as her usual sidearm.

[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPK stainless - 9mm Kurz aka 9x17mm (.380 ACP)]]
[[Image:BNwaltherPPKfiona.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona with her PPK at the ready.]]
[[Image:BNfionaWalther.jpg|500px|thumb|none|Fiona captures a car-jacker with her PPK.]]

== Walther P99 ==
A two tone [[Walther P99]] is used by the Jamaican drug dealer to threaten Mike in Season 1's "Unpaid Debts". It is also carried by a thug in "Question & Answer." Simon uses a P99 in "Devil You Know" which Michael take and holds to his head.
Along with her PPK/S Fiona also owns a P99 that she keeps in her apartment which Michael uses when searching for an intruder in "Shot in the Dark".
[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNsmith99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The drug dealer aims his Walther P99 at Mike, not caring that a police boat is nearby.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1047.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Jan the Czech assassin ([[Ilia Volok]]) fires a suppressed Walther at Mike in Season 1's "Old Friends".]]

==Walther PPS==
In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", some of the bank robbers use [[Walther PPS]] pistols with sound suppressors attached. Michael Westen ([[Jeffrey Donovan]]) is able to acquire one of these guns from a robber after sedating him with medicine from a first-aid kit; however, as the robber goes down, he struggles with Michael and empties all but one of the rounds from the magazine, leaving Michael with no other choice but to find another way to incapacitate or eliminate the rest of the robbers. Agent Jason Bly ([[Alex Carter]]) uses one after taking down one of the robbers.
[[Image:PPS.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Walther PPS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNwaltherBrassCheck.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike does a brass check on his PPS after looking at the magazine and realizing it is empty.]]
[[Image:BNwaltherSilencerOff.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mike removes the silencer from his Walther PPS in order to conceal it in the back of his waistband.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Beretta M12==
The [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] are carried by some Nigerian mercenaries in the pilot episode.

[[Image:Beretta M12.jpg|none|thumb|350px|Beretta PM12S - 9x19mm ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12.jpg|none|500px|thumb|In the pilot episode, a Nigerian mercenary slings his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]].]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeoshi.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary, now decidedly outgunned. Several other weapons are also visible in this scene, including a [[M1911 pistol series#M1911|M1911]], a [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS Inox]], and an [[AK-47]] in the background. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S.JPG|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] as Michael pretends to be sick. ]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeBerettaPM12S2.jpg|none|thumb|500px|A Nigerian mercenary escorts Michael to the men's room with his [[Beretta M12|Beretta PM12S]] and another mercenary with a [[SIG-Sauer P226]]. ]]

==FN P90TR==

An [[FN P90#P90TR|FN P90TR]] fitted with an EOTECH Holosight is handled by Michael while he is posing as an arms dealer in Season 1's "Family Business". He refers to it as an "FN P90 with a Halo sight." A CIA extraction team is armed with P90's in Season 5's "Company Man".

[[Image:FNP90wEOTECHsight.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|FN P90 TR with rail and EOTECH holographic Sight (this is a real movie 'blank adapted' firearm) - 5.7x28mm]]
[[Image:BN-P90-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael checks out the "FN P90 with a Halo sight" in Season 1's "Family Business". ]]
[[File:BurnS5 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A CIA extraction team is armed with P90's in Season 5's "Company Man".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Felipe Vega ([[Danny Trejo]]) and his men are seen using [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]]'s.
[[File:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|350px|none|MP5K]]
[[File:BNS4 450.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "Friendly Fire", Felipe Vega ([[Danny Trejo]]) and his men are seen using [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]]'s.]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW ==
In Season 2's "Trust Me" (S2E3), Sam uses a [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW|Heckler & Koch MP5K-PDW]] fitted with a red dot sight to shoot a car belonging to a pair of con men dressed up as FBI agents.
[[Image:MP5K-PDWEarly.jpg|thumb|350px|none|MP5K-PDW - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5K-PDW]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdw2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam fires his MP5K-PDW]]
[[Image:BNmp5pdwFire.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam ventilates the trunk of an impostor FBI car.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A2==
In Season 4's "Friends and Enemies", Michael is seen carrying an [[Heckler & Koch MP5A2]] fitted with a scope when accompanying Vaughn ([[Robert Wisdom]]) on a mission to find an illegal gunrunner.
[[Image:2MP5A2.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A2 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight - 9x19mm]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A3==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Gerard ([[Max Martini]]) is seen using a [[Heckler & Koch MP5A3]] on the truck.
[[Image:HKmp5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with Surefire 628 dedicated forend weaponlight and safe-semi-two round burst trigger group - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNak74u.jpg|none|500px||thumb|Gerard fires his MP5A3 at the truck driven by "Charles Finley."]]

== Heckler & Koch MP5SD ==
An [[MP5#Heckler_.26_Koch_MP5SD|MP5SD3]] with tactical light and M68 Aimpoint sight is seen in the hands of mercenaries in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5SD3 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BNmp5sd.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A mercenary with his MP5SD3 in Season 1's "Loose Ends, Part 1".]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
In Season 2's "Good Soldier", a goon employed by Max Lesher ([[John Allen Nelson]]) prepares to use a [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] in a kidnapping attempt. In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona carry MP7's when they break into Brennan's house. Fiona and her brother when they attempt to kill O'Neil at his hotel in Season 3's "Long Way Home". In Season 5's "Company Man", guards are seen opening fire on Michael and Max with MP7's. Michael is later seen rigging MP7's to fire independently.
[[Image:Hk mp7 b-1-.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 4.6x30mm with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP7.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A goon brandishes a Heckler & Koch MP7A1 in Season 2's "Good Soldier".]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house armed with Heckler & Koch MP7A1s, Fiona's having a 40-round magazine.]]
[[File:BurnS5 09.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 5's "Company Man", Michael is seen rigging MP7's to fire independently.]]

== Ingram MAC-10 ==
In the Season 2 episode "Turn and Burn", Raul carries a [[MAC-10]] with the stock removed that is kept in a custom shoulder holster. Suppressed MAC-10's hidden in packing containers are carried by several of Prescott's men in Season 2's "Bad Breaks" (S2E13) who kept them .
In Season 4's premiere "Friends and Enemies" (S4E1), Michael wields two MAC-10's to try and intimidate a biker gang.
[[Image:IngramMAC10.jpg|thumb|300px|none|MAC-10 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:BNmac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Bad Breaks", one of Prescott's men disguised as a parcel deliverer chambers his suppressed MAC-10.]]
[[Image:BNbankMac10.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Another one of Prescott's men enters the hostage room with his suppressed MAC-10, with the bolt locked forward like that, all he'll get when he pulls the trigger is a disappointing "click".]]

== Interdynamic MP9 ==
In Season 2's "Hot Spot" (S2E11), an [[Interdynamic_KG-9_/_Intratec_TEC-9#Interdynamic_MP9.2FKG-9|Interdynamic MP9]] is used by Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) to shoot at the armored car with Mike(who is posing as "Johnny") and inadvertently his own boss. The weapon is identified as an Interdynamic MP9 by its foregrip and simple rear sight.
[[Image:InterDynamicMP9.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Interdynamic MP9 with foregrip and telescoping stock - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNintratec.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Felix Cole ([[Kirk "Sticky Fingaz" Jones]]) fires his MP9 at Michael's armored car in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

== Intratec TEC-9 ==

A variant of the [[Tec-9|Intratec TEC-9]] series of assault pistols (either the KG-99 or the TEC-9 itself) can be seen being used by thugs in Season 3's "Fearless Leader" (S3E4).
[[image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Intratec TEC-9 9x19mm]]

== Steyr TMP ==
A henchman is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".
[[Image:SteyrTMP.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Steyr TMP - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2074.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The henchman on the right is briefly seen carrying a [[Steyr TMP]] in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Micro Uzi ==
A [[Micro Uzi]] is used by one of Felix's thugs when they ambush Michael in Season 2's "Hot Spot".
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|300px|none|Micro Uzi with 32 round magazine - 9x19mm.]]
[[Image:BNmicroUzi.jpg|thumb|500px|none|The thug on the left fires his Micro Uzi in Season 2's "Hot Spot".]]

==Mini Uzi==
In Season 4's "Where There's Smoke" (S4E08), One of Jacob's thugs carries a [[Mini Uzi]] during the kidnapping attempt.
[[Image:MiniUzi 01.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Mini Uzi SMG with stock folded - 9x19mm]]

=Shotguns=
== Armsel Protecta==
In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering" (S2E1), Michael uses an [[Armsel_Striker_and_variants#Armsel_Protecta|Armsel Protecta]] in conjunction with 'quadrangle buckshot' and FRAG-12 ammunition to destroy some computer mainframes and blow out a window, respectively.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta - 12-gauge]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeStreetsweeper.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Michael prepares to fire the Armsel Protecta in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

== Mossberg 500 (Sawed off) ==
In Season 3's "Noble Causes" (S3E12), Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]) is armed with a [[Mossberg 500]] with sawed-off barrel and stock when some thieves want "to go ''[[Tombstone]]''" on him.
[[Image:Sawed-off mossberg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 with sawed-off barrel and stock - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Burn 2715.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Noble Causes" (S3E12), Sugar ([[Arturo Fernandez]]) is armed with a Mossberg 500 with sawed-off barrel and stock when some thieves want "to go ''[[Tombstone]]''" on him.]]

== Mossberg 500 Cruiser ==
In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].
[[Image:Mossberg500Cruiser.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser with plain barrel, no heat shield - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1048.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Old Friends", Michael booby traps the door to his place with a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]].]]

==Mossberg 590 Special==
In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Beck's men are armed with [[Mossberg 590]] shotguns as they round up the hit squad.
[[Image:Mossberg 590 Special.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 Special - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Burn 2702.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "The Hunter" (S3E6), Beck's men are armed with [[Mossberg 590]] shotguns as they round up the hit squad.]]

== Mossberg 590 Cruiser ==
In the season 1 finale "Loose Ends, Sam gives Michael's mom Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Cruiser]] to protect herself. Fiona also uses one to intimidate Rachel ([[Stacy Haiduk]]), a con artist in ''Do Not Harm'' (S2E10).
[[Image:Mossberg500 Cruiser ext.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1028.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Madeline ([[Sharon Gless]]) checks out the Mossberg.]]

==Remington 870 Folding Stock==

A [[Remington 870]] with a folding stock is used by Fiona on several occasions throughout Season 1.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Folding Stock - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeSPAS12.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona wields a Remington 870 in Season 1's "Old Friends" (S1E4).]]

==Remington 870 Police Standard==
In "Bad Blood" (S2E6), Michael uses a [[Remington Model 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Police Standard]] shotgun loaded with incendiary rounds while retrieving the package with Victor.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunIncendiary.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A snazzy 24-esque screen split shows Mike shooting his Remington 870.]]

== Remington 870 Express ==
Used by Sam on several occasions.
[[Image:Remington-870-Express-Deer.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 Express Deer - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1080.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Fiona finds a Remington among Sam's things.]]

== Remington 870 Pistol Grip==
In the episode "Hot Spot" (S2E11), Sam uses a pistol gripped [[Remington 870]] with synthetic furniture while disguised as a car theif. Seymour procures two pistol grippped [[Remington Model 870 Shotgun#Remington 870|Remington 870 Mariner]] shotguns for Mike and Fiona's assault on the bombers house. He remarks that he customized them himself, and that they are loaded, with the custom ammo he made for them. They are loaded with special water rounds used to destroy explosive devices without detonating them.
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
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[[Image:Rem870 twotone.jpg‎|thumb|600px|none|Remington 870 - 12 Gauge]]
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==Saiga 12K==
In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is said to have been used in an attempted hit on an FBI witness.
[[Image:Saiga 12k-1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Saiga 12K - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:BurnS4 302.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 4's "Center of the Storm" (S4E09), a modified [[Saiga 12K]] automatic shotgun is found by Michael in an arms dealer's car garage.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 303.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

== Serbu Super Shorty ==
In the Season 2 episode "Scatter Point", Kandi ([[Robin Givens]]) uses a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] during the jewelry heist. Fiona also carries one while rescuing a kidnapped child in Season 3's "Question and Answer."
[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]
[[Image:FionaSerbu.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona with a Serbu Super Shorty in Season 3's "Question and Answer".]]

=Assault Rifles=
== AKMSU ==
In Season 2's "Rough Seas", one of the hijackers who steals a drug shipment for a fake heist is armed with an [[AKMSU]]. These weapons also appeared in many other episodes.

[[Image:AK-Krinkov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|AKMSU Krinkov - 7.62x39mm. This is a blank adapted full auto transferable AKM (7.62x39mm) pistol that was converted into a Krinkov via parts kit.]]
[[Image:BurnNS2 064.jpg|none|500px||thumb|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", one of Gerard's men picks up an AKMSU to open fire on Charles Finley's truck.]]

==AKS-74U==
A human trafficker in "Comrade" (S2E4) carries an [[AK-74#AKS-74U|AKS-74U]] when Ivan Petrov ([[Andrew Divoff]]) arrives to transport the girls.
[[Image:AKSU-Krinkov.jpg|500px|thumb|none|AKSU-74U - 5.45x39mm.]]

== Heckler & Koch 416 ==
In Season 4's "Guilty as Charged", Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) uses what appears to be a [[Heckler & Koch HK416]] to shoot Michael.
[[Image:Heckler and Koch 416.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch HK416 with 10 inch barrel, 5.56x45mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnS4 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jesse Porter ([[Coby Bell]]) seen in lower left uses the 416.]]

==Heckler & Koch G36C==
A pair of [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_G36C|Heckler & Koch G36C]] rifles are used by Carla's henchmen to kill several unknown men in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering". Michael later acquires them to be planted on some mercenaries framing them for the murders.
[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BNg36c.jpg|none|500px|thumb|Fiona retrieves the H&K G36C's from the back of Sam's Cadillac in Season 2's "Breaking and Entering".]]

==IMI Galil==
A bystander in the marketplace is seen pointing a [[Galil]] at Michael's pursuers.
[[Image:GalilAR.jpg|thumb|500px|none|IMI Galil AR - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeGalil.jpg|thumb|500px|none]]

==M4A1 Carbine==
In Season 2's premiere "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team is seen armed with [[M4A1]] rifles. In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona ([[Gabrielle Anwar]]) is given an [[M16#M4/M4A1 Carbine|M4A1 Carbine]] by her gun-running friend, Seymour. The M4A1 has been modified with an RIS-style rail handguard, a vertical foregrip, a AN/PEQ-2 IR designator system and a red-dot sight. Fiona is also seen handling one fitted with a Surefire M900 weaponlight grip and AVN/PS-12 night vision scope in Season 2's "Truth and Reconciliation". In Season 3's "Friends & Family" (S301), an M4A1 fitted with an M203 grenade launcher, PEQ-2 IR pointer, Surefire light, Aimpoint CompM4 red dot sight, and 3X magnifier was used by Mike's "old buddy" Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]), a Special Forces operator, to fire into the windshield and engine block of an SUV to disable it during a snatch-and-grab op to kidnap a Venezuelan gangster.
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BNm4swat.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Breaking and Entering", an ATF team armed with M4 Carbine rifles sweeps down on a boat.]]
[[Image:Burn 2514.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 2's "Rough Seas", Fiona exits Seymour's house with the M4A1.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) bursts out of a van with an M4 Carbine.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine.]]

== M16A1 (with M16A2 handguards)==
In the pilot episode, several Nigerian soldiers were seen carrying [[M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16A2]]-style handguards.
[[Image:M16A1wA2Handguards.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|M16A1 outfitted with A2 handguards - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BN-M16-1.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In the pilot episode, several Nigerian soldiers were seen carrying [[M16A1]] assault rifles fitted with [[M16A2]]-style handguards.]]

==M16A2==
The [[M16A2]] is seen in the Season 4 finale "Last Stand" in the hands of US soldiers when they storm an abandoned hotel under siege by Vaughn and his men.
[[Image:ColtGovtModHBAR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government Model HBAR, the A2 version of the AR15 Civilian Rifle - 5.56x45mm (note the lack of a third position for burst mode for the selector switch)]]

==Norinco Type-56==
A rack of [[Norinco Type 56]] rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".
[[File:Type56Standard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco Type-56 - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rack of Norinco Type 56 rifles are seen behind Michael in Season 2's "Family Business".]]

==SCAR-L==
The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm". It's used when when Michael beats down the thug, causing the weapon to go flying in the air.
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|500px|none|Third-Generation FN SCAR-L - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS4 313.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The [[FN SCAR-L]] is carried by Matt Reece's thugs in Season 4's "Center of the Storm".]]

==SIG SG 552==
The [[SIG SG 552]] assault rifle is a frequently used weapon in the series. In Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back", Mike uses a SIG rifle when he and Sam go to rescue Fiona. Mike is seen with one slung over his shoulder in Season 3's "Friendly Fire" (S3E11) when repelling out a window. In "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), Mike gives a SIG with a scope attached to a drug dealer shoot up a car. Also used by one of Matt Reece's thugs and Matt Reece himself in season 4's "Center of the Storm."
Mostly recently featured in S4's "Guilty as Charged" by Fiona and Sam throughout the episode.
[[Image:SIG_SG552.jpg|thumb|500px|none|SIG SG 552 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Michael_Westen_SG_552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael fires the SIG SG 552 in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]
[[File:BNS4 454.jpg|thumb|none|500px| In "Enemies Closer" (S3E13), Michael takes aim a SIG SG 552 with a scope attached before handing it off to drug dealer Carlos ([[Carlos Gomez]]) shoot up a car.]]

=Sniper Rifles=

==Blaser R93 LRS2 Sniper Rifle==
In Season 2's finale, Carla's sniper can be seen armed with a [[Blaser R93 LRS2]] as he takes out Victor.
[[Image:Blaser93SniperRifleA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Blaser R93 LRS2 sniper rifle - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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== Browning BAR Safari ==
In Season 1's finale "Loose Ends, Part II", a [[Browning BAR Safari]] is used by Fiona, fitted with a sniper scope, to cover Sam and Mike as they escape from the boat where Sam was held captive. Note this is related only in name and designer to the M1918 BAR and its variants.
its not a BAR more likely a browning hunting rifle.However it is actually called the BAR and is made by Browning. The famous military BAR is also known as the Model 1918 Browning Automatic rifle.
[[Image:BARhunt.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning BAR Safari - .30-06]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1072.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona prepares to fire the BAR Safari.]]
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona takes aim the BAR Safari.]]

==Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"==
A [[M16|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match"]] fitted with a scope and bipod is used by Sam to provide cover in Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family", as well as when he and Michael go to save Fiona in the Season 3's summer finale "Long Way Back".
[[Image:Bushmaster xm15 vmatch 20.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster XM15 "V-Match" Note smooth handguard and absence of front sight - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BurnS3 101.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam uses the scoped Bushmaster in Season 3's "Friends and Family".]]
[[Image:BurnS2 2094.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam provides cover fire with the Bushmaster (here with a different scope and a laser sight) in Season 3's "Long Way Back".]]

==Heckler & Koch SL8==
In the Season 2 premiere "Breaking and Entering", a [[Heckler_%26_Koch_G36#Heckler_.26_Koch_SL8|H&K SL8]] rifle is used by a mercenary to watch over a deal, but ends up incriminating him when the police arrive. In Season 4 episode 3, Michael uses a suppressed SL8 to shoot out the security guard's tires. Later, Michael and Fiona use 2 suppressed SL8s to shoot Gio's engine block. This weapon is commonly used by Fiona and sam to provide cover for Michael
[[Image:H%26KSL8Tactical.jpg|none|450px|thumb|Heckler & Koch SL8 - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:BNsniper.jpg|none|500px|thumb|The mercenary sniper is surprised to see the police show up.]]
[[Image:samsl8deadalive.jpg|none|450px|thumb|Sam using a H&K SL8 to cover Michael during his meet with corrupt Detective 'Pete' in Dead or Alive.]]

== Heckler & Koch SR9TC ==
A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:HKSR9TC.jpg|thumb|450px|none|H&K SR9TC Sniper rifle with factory foregrip - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Heckler & Koch SR9TC]] rifle is mounted in the middle in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==M-1A==
A [[M14|M-1A]] with scope and Sage Stock was used by Fiona as a sniper rifle when she performed a fake assassination attempt on Campos in Season 1's "Turn and Burn." This rifle was first seen in Season 1's "Family Business", when the gun dealer Ari takes Michael to his armory. Michael specifically refers to it as a modified M1A for "Special Forces".

[[Image:m14sagestock.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Springfield M-1A - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael takes up the M-1A in "Family Business".]]
[[Image:BN-M1A-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Michael with the M-1A. This appears to be SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight).]]
[[Image:BNsemiSniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the M1A to simulate an assassination attempt in Season 2's "Turn and Burn". Her rifle appears to be either EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle) or EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle), which has a longer barrel.]]

==Remington 700==
In Season 2, Fiona is seen taking out Carla with a [[Remington 700]] sniper rifle.
[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 700 - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
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==Sako M995 TRG-S==
Evelyn ([[Lucy Lawless]]) uses a [[Sako M995 TRG-S]] sniper rifle in her attempt to eliminate a witness in Season 1's "False Flag". The rifle looks the same as used in ''[[Most Wanted#Suppressed Sako M995 TRG-S |Most Wanted]]''.
[[Image:SakoM995T.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sako M995 TRG-S - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her M995.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A view of the other end of the Sako: the end you would rather be behind.]]

==Remington 700 with AICS==
One of the preferred sniper rifles used by Michael is the [[Remington 700]] mounted on an Accuracy International Chassis System. In Season 2's "Double-Booked", he is seen using the rifle while wearing a wrist saddle shell holder.
[[Image:Rem700pssaics1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 700 AICS with Harris bipod - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 2's "Double-Booked", Mike assembles his rifle on a rooftop.]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeAIAW-2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike chambers a round in his rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS4 03.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sam uses the Remington AICS.]]

== SVD Dragunov ==
A [[SVD Dragunov]] is stolen by Mike and Victor to be used by the sniper, but it is never seen used.
[[Image:SVD_Rifle.jpg|500px|thumb|none|SVD Dragunov - 7.62x54mmR]]
[[Image:BNdragunovXray.jpg|none|500px|thumb|none|An X-ray image showing the silhouette of a Dragunov sniper rifle.]]

== Winchester Model 70 ==
A [[Winchester Model 70]] is frequently used by Sam to cover Mike or to provide distractions.
[[Image:Win70-2.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Winchester Model 70 - .30-06]]
[[Image:BNsniperSam.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 1's "Wanted Man", Sam takes out a security camera with his Winchester.]]

=Heavy Weapons=
==Barrett M107==
In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen among the weapons in Ari's armory.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG. Noteworthy is the holes in the lower part of the buttstock and the rail that runs along the top spine of the rifle.]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1038.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 1's "Family Business", a [[Barrett M107]] is seen on the table in Ari's armory.]]

==Browning M2HB==
In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.
[[Image:Browning-M2-Heavy-Barrel-w-Tripod.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on M3 tripod - .50 BMG.]]
[[Image:Burn 5117.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In Season 3's "Good Intentions" (S3E15), a [[Browning M2HB]] is seen being prepped by Mason Gilroy ([[Chris Vance]]) to be used for a particular job.]]

==M60==
In Season 3's "End Run", an [[M60]] is briefly seen as Sam and Fiona infiltrate the home of Brennan ([[Jay Karnes]]).
[[Image:M60.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M60 machine gun with bipod extended - 7.62x51mm NATO]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeMP72.jpg|thumb|500px|none|In Season 3's "End Run", an M60 is briefly seen in the foreground as Sam and Fiona search Brennan's house.]]

== M203 Grenade Launcher ==
In Season 3's premiere "Friends and Family" (S3E01), Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) is armed with an M4A1 with an [[M203]] grenade launcher attached underneath. He is not seen using it in the episode.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|362px|M203 grenade launcher - 40mm]]
[[Image:BurnNoticeM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Harlan ([[Brian Van Holt]]) covers the target SUV with his M4 Carbine with M203.]]

==M47 Dragon==
Mercenaries in the employ of a heroin dealer use a [[M47 Dragon]] to destroy a car in Season 1's "Loose Ends" (S1E11).
[[Image:M47 Dragon.jpg‎ |thumb|400px|none|M47 Dragon - 140mm]]
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==Milkor MGL==

A [[Milkor MGL]] is one of weapons seen mounted in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".
[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Milkor MGL - 40mm]]
[[Image:Burn 2510.jpg|thumb|500px|none|A [[Milkor MGL]] is mounted in the upper left in Seymour's mansion in Season 2's "Rough Seas".]]

==Fictional Gatling Gun==
A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".
[[Image:BurnS4 01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A CGI-created eight-barreled [[Gatling Gun]] is seen firing from underneath an MQ-1 Predator UAV in order to assassinate a rogue arms dealer ([[Michael Ironside]]) in Season 4's "Friends and Enemies".]]

=Other=
==Advanced Taser M26==
Fiona is seen using an [[Taser|Advanced Taser M26]] on a kidnapper in Season 1's "Hard Bargain".
[[Image:AdvancedM26.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Advanced Taser M26]]
[[Image:BurnS1 1015.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Fiona uses the Taser.]]
==Molotov Cocktail==
Fiona is seen throwing Molotov Cocktails on some cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight".
[[Image:BurnS1 030.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Last call, boys!" Fiona throws some Molotov Cocktails on cartel soldiers in Season 1's "Fight or Flight". ]]

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Transformers: Dark of the Moon

2011-07-10T01:04:22Z

Captain Snikt: /* M4A1 Variants */

[[Image:Transformersdarkofmoonlogo2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (2011)]]

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'':'''

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== Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] features prominently in the film. Sam ([[Shia LeBeouf]]) uses one during the battle in Chicago, which he is given by Epps ([[Tyrese Gibson]]). Epps also has one on a chest holster. Simmons' bodyguard Dutch uses one during a standoff with two former Russian cosmonauts in a bar, dual-wielding it with a sawn-off double-barreled shotgun. At the film's climax, Sam is held at gunpoint with one. In some scenes, the sound of a hammer being cocked is inaccurately inserted when the Glock is drawn.
[[File:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_dotm.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Epps ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) with a Glock pistol in a chest attached level II Blackhawk kydex holster.]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_sam.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Sam ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) pulls the Glock 17 during a confrontation in the film's trailer.]]

==Beretta 92FS INOX==
A pair of [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS INOXs]] are dual-wielded by Jerry Wang ([[Ken Jeong]]) in an attempt to defend himself from a Decepticon.

==Walther PPK/S==
During a standoff between Simmons, Dutch and two former cosmonauts, a Russian bodyguard pulls a [[Walther PPK|Walther PPK/S]], but is disarmed.

== M4A1 Variants ==
A number of [[M4A1]] style carbines are used by some of Soldiers of N.E.S.T, the US Army and Navy Seals. They are all customized with a different number of accessories. Many of the carbines used later in the film feature a wealth of Magpul furniture, including CTR stocks, MOE pistol grips, PMAGs, and angled foregrips, while those used by US forces and NEST base guards appear to have accessories from the SOPMOD kit. In one scene, Sam refers to them as "full-kit M4s".
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_water.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|Various US Navy Seals with customized M4s, the front with an EOtech and a weaponlight, the back with an ACOG]]

== Mk18 Mod0 ==
[[Image:Lor_pin_ctr.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Epps with his custom Mk18 Mod 0 fitted with a Magpul CTR stock.]]

== FN EGLM ==
A black stand alone version of the [[FN EGLM]] is seen being carried by a N.E.S.T soldier.
[[Image:FN40.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN EGLM - 40mm]]

== Remington ACR ==
The [[Bushmaster_ACR|Remington ACR]] is seen in the hands of Major Will Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]), as well as other N.E.S.T soldiers with a scope, laser and custom barrel shroud which might or might not supposed to be a flash suppressor. Like Epps' M4, Lennox's ACR also uses Magpul Pmags. Though the shots are not very clear, some rifles seen used by NEST extras appear to feature the stock pattern and overall profile of the "Entry Carbine" variant of the ACR, or possibly the Magpul Masada.

[[Image:Bushmaster-acr-carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR Carbine - 5.56x45mm/7.62x39mm]]

Note: This is the first movie where the ACR has been shown in numbers as well as a bunch of other Magpul products like the BUIS (Back UP Iron Sights), CTR stock, the Pmags of both 5.56mm and 7.62mm and the AFG (Angled ForeGrip). This is also the ACR's first appearance with this specific longer barrel and railed fore end.

== Milkor MGL 140==
A [[Milkor MGL]] Seen in the hands of a NEST soldier.
[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M32 MGL 40mm in desert tan finish fitted with Armson OEG reflex sight]]

== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR-L]] is seen in the hands of a NEST soldier, with an EoTech sight
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR-L]] Standard (third generation) - 5.56x45mm]]

== LaRue Tactical OBR ==
A [[LaRue Tactical OBR]], as identified by the forend bolted to the upper receiver, is used by a SEAL sniper to engage Decepticons during the battle in Chicago. Like many weapons in the film, it features a Magpul PMAG, this one being the 20LR version in 7.62x51mm NATO.
[[Image:LaRue Tactical Stealth OSR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LaRue Tactical OSR - 7.62x51mm with Harris bipod]]

== Browning M2 ==
Two [[Browning M2]]s are seen on one of the three Nascar Autobots (The Wreckers).
[[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2 Aircraft .50 BMG]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==
Seen in the grill and on the roof of the three Nascar Autobots (The Wreckers).
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|450px|General Electric M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]]

== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ==
Seen being carried on the back of the big soldier.
[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW - 83mm]]

== M136 AT4 ==
Seen being carried and aimed by an unkown soldier.
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M136 AT4 Anti-tank recoilless launcher - 84mm]]

==Double-Barreled Shotgun==
During the standoff between Simmons and the cosmonauts, the bartender pulls a sawn-off double-barreled shotgun from behind the bar. Dutch later grabs it from her and dual-wields it with his [[Glock 17]]. During the struggle, one shot is fired from it; erroneously, when Dutch grabs it and aims it, the sound effect of a pump-action shotgun and an empty shell falling to the floor can be heard.

== Unknown Pistols ==
Seen holstered on the big soldier. another is also seen in Sergeant Robert Epps' thigh holster.

== Mk 46 Mod 0 ==
A N.E.S.T soldier has been spotted on set carrying a Mk 46 Mod 0 light machinegun with modifications from the previous film. Several of these are used by NEST soldiers throughout the film.
[[Image:Mk46.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 46 Mod 0 - 5.56x45mm]]

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Transformers: Dark of the Moon

2011-07-10T01:03:21Z

Captain Snikt: /* M4A1 Variants */

[[Image:Transformersdarkofmoonlogo2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (2011)]]

'''The following weapons were used in the film ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'':'''

__TOC__ 

== Glock 17==
The [[Glock 17]] features prominently in the film. Sam ([[Shia LeBeouf]]) uses one during the battle in Chicago, which he is given by Epps ([[Tyrese Gibson]]). Epps also has one on a chest holster. Simmons' bodyguard Dutch uses one during a standoff with two former Russian cosmonauts in a bar, dual-wielding it with a sawn-off double-barreled shotgun. At the film's climax, Sam is held at gunpoint with one. In some scenes, the sound of a hammer being cocked is inaccurately inserted when the Glock is drawn.
[[File:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 17 3rd Generation - 9x19mm Parabellum]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_dotm.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Epps ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) with a Glock pistol in a chest attached level II Blackhawk kydex holster.]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_sam.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Sam ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) pulls the Glock 17 during a confrontation in the film's trailer.]]

==Beretta 92FS INOX==
A pair of [[Beretta 92 pistol series#Beretta 92FS Inox|Beretta 92FS INOXs]] are dual-wielded by Jerry Wang ([[Ken Jeong]]) in an attempt to defend himself from a Decepticon.

==Walther PPK/S==
During a standoff between Simmons, Dutch and two former cosmonauts, a Russian bodyguard pulls a [[Walther PPK|Walther PPK/S]], but is disarmed.

== M4A1 Variants ==
A number of [[M4A1]] style carbines are used by some of Soldiers of N.E.S.T, the US Army and Navy Seals. They are all customized with a different number of accessories. Many of the carbines used later in the film feature a wealth of Magpul furniture, including CTR stocks, MOE pistol grips, PMAGs, and angled foregrips, while those used by US forces and NEST base guards appear to have accessories from the SOPMOD kit. In one scene, Sam refers to them as "full-kit M4s".
[[Image:ColtM4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 Carbine with M68 Aimpoint reflex optic and Knight's Armament RAS railed handguard and vertical forward grip - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_ctr.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Epps with his custom Mk18 Mod 0 fitted with a Magpul CTR stock.]]
[[Image:Lor_pin_water.JPG‎|thumb|none|600px|Various US Navy Seals with customized M4s, the front with an EOtech and a weaponlight, the back with an ACOG]]

== FN EGLM ==
A black stand alone version of the [[FN EGLM]] is seen being carried by a N.E.S.T soldier.
[[Image:FN40.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FN EGLM - 40mm]]

== Remington ACR ==
The [[Bushmaster_ACR|Remington ACR]] is seen in the hands of Major Will Lennox ([[Josh Duhamel]]), as well as other N.E.S.T soldiers with a scope, laser and custom barrel shroud which might or might not supposed to be a flash suppressor. Like Epps' M4, Lennox's ACR also uses Magpul Pmags. Though the shots are not very clear, some rifles seen used by NEST extras appear to feature the stock pattern and overall profile of the "Entry Carbine" variant of the ACR, or possibly the Magpul Masada.

[[Image:Bushmaster-acr-carbine.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bushmaster ACR Carbine - 5.56x45mm/7.62x39mm]]

Note: This is the first movie where the ACR has been shown in numbers as well as a bunch of other Magpul products like the BUIS (Back UP Iron Sights), CTR stock, the Pmags of both 5.56mm and 7.62mm and the AFG (Angled ForeGrip). This is also the ACR's first appearance with this specific longer barrel and railed fore end.

== Milkor MGL 140==
A [[Milkor MGL]] Seen in the hands of a NEST soldier.
[[Image:MGL32.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M32 MGL 40mm in desert tan finish fitted with Armson OEG reflex sight]]

== FN SCAR-L ==
The [[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR-L]] is seen in the hands of a NEST soldier, with an EoTech sight
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[FN SCAR#FN SCAR-L|SCAR-L]] Standard (third generation) - 5.56x45mm]]

== LaRue Tactical OBR ==
A [[LaRue Tactical OBR]], as identified by the forend bolted to the upper receiver, is used by a SEAL sniper to engage Decepticons during the battle in Chicago. Like many weapons in the film, it features a Magpul PMAG, this one being the 20LR version in 7.62x51mm NATO.
[[Image:LaRue Tactical Stealth OSR.jpg|thumb|none|500px|LaRue Tactical OSR - 7.62x51mm with Harris bipod]]

== Browning M2 ==
Two [[Browning M2]]s are seen on one of the three Nascar Autobots (The Wreckers).
[[Image:M2aircraft.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Browning M2 Aircraft .50 BMG]]

== GE M134 Minigun ==
Seen in the grill and on the roof of the three Nascar Autobots (The Wreckers).
[[Image:M134.JPG|thumb|none|450px|General Electric M134 Minigun - 7.62x51mm]]

== Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW ==
Seen being carried on the back of the big soldier.
[[Image:Mk153SMAW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 153 Mod 0 SMAW - 83mm]]

== M136 AT4 ==
Seen being carried and aimed by an unkown soldier.
[[Image:AT-4Launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M136 AT4 Anti-tank recoilless launcher - 84mm]]

==Double-Barreled Shotgun==
During the standoff between Simmons and the cosmonauts, the bartender pulls a sawn-off double-barreled shotgun from behind the bar. Dutch later grabs it from her and dual-wields it with his [[Glock 17]]. During the struggle, one shot is fired from it; erroneously, when Dutch grabs it and aims it, the sound effect of a pump-action shotgun and an empty shell falling to the floor can be heard.

== Unknown Pistols ==
Seen holstered on the big soldier. another is also seen in Sergeant Robert Epps' thigh holster.

== Mk 46 Mod 0 ==
A N.E.S.T soldier has been spotted on set carrying a Mk 46 Mod 0 light machinegun with modifications from the previous film. Several of these are used by NEST soldiers throughout the film.
[[Image:Mk46.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mk 46 Mod 0 - 5.56x45mm]]

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Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon

2011-06-29T03:38:57Z

Captain Snikt: /* Possible M203 */

Photos will be added soon. need to know how first if anybody knows properly

I would like to know where you got your information from.

Same here. Have you seen any videos or promotional photos? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Some BTS stuff from random Joe's. http://transformers-3-movie-trailer.blogspot.com/ Shows Epps with a MagPul'd M4 and Glock, and someone with a modified AT4. Though I'm not sure where he's getting his. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

just look at the saved images i have on this group pls

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=249935032038&v=photos&ref=ts#!/photo_search.php?oid=249935032038&view=all

i also want to say if the guns are wrong just change it or tell me what they are without any hassle ok?
[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]
:You need to realize that these IMFDB members are correct in questioning the legitimacy of any info which is not in the public realm (at least to their knowledge). If you are accessing a pre-release copy or in your case, the production's facebook photo gallery, then IMFDB protocols require that you disclose in the actual page where ANY pre-release info or images came from. They are not hassling you and you need to dial back your attitude a bit. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== IS THE Transformers 3 FACEBOOK account legal? ==

Ok Moviemaster 1993, be straight with us. Did you have permission from the studio to create an "Official" Transformers 3 Facebook account? Did you also got permission on the images you've uploaded. If not, under copyrights, you cannot post any images that officially below to the studio, publicly open or not. This site rides on the legality of the images we upload under fair use and from released images from Trailers and the DVD/Blu-ray when released officially. We cannot use these images here if the source they are from is not legal. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:On Facebook, Moviemaster1993 claims that you can find it on Google and such, but only a few pictures from other websites (Moviemaster1993's images are not from any website I searched) were found. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 04:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well, all the more reason to remove those photos from this site. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

== Facebook gallery ==
oh yeah i would like to point point out that the facebook gallery is mine by the way. i created the group and added all the photos/news reports. 8~)

:Wait, so you just grabbed all these production stills from somewhere else? This isn't an "official" account? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or is there an M4 lower (pistol grip and mag well) on the bottom of the AT4?--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 19:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

i don't mean now
i mean everytime i attempted to add or change anything on a page the amount of hassle that is given by users is not that friendly
i was just trying to prevent it from happening again i understand about image/news protocol don't worry
lol
i would do a smiley face but the colon is a space lol

[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]
:They've been doing filming a big battle scene here in chicago and from what i saw, most of the strike team guys have M4s. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

:Anyone know why Epps has orange stripes on his pants? -[[24guns|24guns]]

It looks like a set of work coveralls. I'm guessing he needed to blend in, or he said 'Fuck it, I ain't dealing with the fucking robots anymore'. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 04:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lennox's ACR ==
I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but I am pretty sure that the ACR that Major Lennox (Josh Duhamel) has an extended upper rail, which is odd since the rail is directly integrated into the upper receiver. Now I haven't handled an ACR myself, but from what images I have seen of them, the rail would be shorter than the one shown in the stills. Is it just me? Or am I actually right on this?--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 05:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

The ACR is meant to be a very modular system like the AR-15 design. It has many barrel lengths and rail lengths, so this is a longer variant. And since this is supposed to be the military variant, then it's made by Remington, but we really can't tell since the only different between the Remington and the Bushmaster ACR is that the Remington fires full auto for the military and the Bushmaster is the exact same weapon but semi auto [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I did know that Remington and Bushmaster produce the ACR, but I still haven't found an example of a lengthened rail upper. If someone did know where to find an example of such, I'd love to see it. Till then, I'll keep looking.--[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:You won't find an example of an extended forend out there. They were made just for the show. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

Well the Entry carbine is the only one so far with the side rails, but it is possible these are unreleased longer type rail forends. Also the fore end is NOT integrated with the rest of the receiver. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

:I had the very first production one in my hands and they were made at a non-weapons related shop. The prototype was designed by the shows gunsmith. Also the ACR's have 14.5 inch barrels with an oversize muzzle extension. -[[User:Phoenixent|Phoenixent]]

==Epps' Pistol==
If you look at Sgt. Epps' tac-vest, he has a full size Glock pistol in a holster. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

That's what I put down, but it's a bit hard to tell which variant. Also, I don't know why I am doing all the hard work of getting the format and spelling and terms right for this page. It feel like I'm cleaning up someone's spill [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Just thought I'd put it out there but when I saw pics of Epps on set he had two pistols holstered on him, now it might look all tacti-cool but whats the point of having two handguns on you when the only thing that causes real damage to them is HE weapons. Maybe me just looking into it a bit much.

To be fair, if he isn't dual wielding handguns, it is find to have more than one handgun holstered on you. Some cops actually holster a backup gun on their belts that's a little hidden [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeh but you'd think he'd have extra grenades instead of an extra pistol which would be useless against an armoured mechanical being.

== Lennox is Soap ==

For some reason, Lennox's new hair style is reminding me of Soap MacTavish in Modern Warfare 2 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not buying it. It doesn't look anything like Soap's 'hawk. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 07:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, he has nothing on Soap's hawk. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Nope, Lennox ain't got squat on the Soaphawk. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 06:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Magpul products galore ==

Pmags both in 5.56 and 7.62, the ACR, and the Angled Foregrip are the things I've spotted from Magpul so far. How much am I going to bet the foregrip on Epps' M4 and their rifle slings are made by Magpul as well? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you, there is some serious Magpul product placement in this movie. But my quick identification on Epps' foregrip is Tango Down model. I forget the exact one. Also, you forgot to note the CTR stock and the MIAD on Epps' rifle, as well as the BUIS on pretty much all the rifles. But is Magpul product placement really a bad thing? --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 06:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I did mention the CTR stock in another section. Also no, I LOVE Magpul products. This is awesome! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad we can agree on that. Magpul is just brilliant for quality and appearance (which in movies, always matters). I must say, from what I'm seeing so far, I'm going to like this movie just a bit more than the first two. Definitely more than the second, since it will have weapons that aren't too sci-fi. Of course, there's nothing wrong with sci-fi guns, but I like to see realistic weapons in the hands of the guys that are supposed to be playing military officers. And the "M4"s in Transformers 2 just looked a little weird. Cool, but weird. --[[User:1SAZ|1SAZ]] 07:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm kinda hoping for a cameo by Travis Haley and/or Chris Costa. Why? Just because. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 07:45, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Would be awesome though. I can see the Magpul commercials now "Magpul. The offical gear to combat giant robots." [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 07:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

"Efficiency, Consistency, and Giant freaking Robots" [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 14:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Saw some behind the scenes footage of the gun fights and they were actually holding the rifles utilizing the Magpul Angled Foregrip. There is a moment where Shia Labouf's character takes his girlfriend and hides behind a bus stand. You know, the very thin later of glass and metal. I'm sure that's going to protect you from the giant robot shooting at you [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

== Question for Steve ==
Do the NEST "Chainguns" from the first two films reappear in the third? You know the guns on the FAst Attack Vehicles in the first film and on the Hummer H3 in the second film.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 04:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
: I did not see them when I was there prepping the cars. But that is not to stay they won't show up. -[[User:Phoenixent|Steve]] 21:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Behind the Scenes Image==

Just found this behind-the-scenes image of a group of actors on the set of the film in Chicago. The one on the middle-left appears to be carrying some variant of the SAW with an EOTech red dot while the one on the middle-right has an unidentified rifle or carbine that appears to have an FN EGLM mounted on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transformers3ActorsSetJuly10.jpg

[[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 12:19, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Too bad we can't put that on the site [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:35, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

==I feel sorry for those guys==
When they were filming here in Chicago, it was record breaking heat and heres all theses guys wearing completely black tactical gear, running around, and doing stunts, etc. The scenes gotta be awesome, though/ -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

== N.E.S.T. = Task Force 141? ==

So I just looked at the Facebook gallery for myself (surprisingly, the studios have not taken it down yet), and I swear, Michael Bay must have played Modern Warfare 2 at some point, because all the soldier characters like Epps and Lennox, and everyone else in those photos are starting to remind me of Task Force 141. Seriously, all they'd need is some TF 141 patches, and flag patches showing which country they come from, and voila! You have an unofficial on-screen representation of Task Force 141!

Now all they need is several British soldiers, including a guy with a skull-patterned balaclava named Ghost. :) --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 08:02, 24 April 2011 (CDT)

== Possible M203 ==
Take a look at the shot of the NEST soldiers in SCUBA. If you look closely, the one in the background in front of the boat has an underbarrel attachment on his M4 that looks like it could be an M203. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 21:24, 9 June 2011 (CDT)

== Epps ==

Just saw the film, Epps doesn't carry an M4 it's a Mk18mod0 due to the barrel length --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:38, 28 June 2011 (CDT)

Sucker Punch

2011-05-11T09:52:15Z

Captain Snikt: /* TBD Weapons */

[[Image:SuckerPunchPoster1.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Sucker Punch (2011).]]

The following screencaps are from the trailer and official clips.

'''WORK IN PROGRESS'''

'''The Following weapons were used in the film [[Sucker Punch (2011)]]:
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==Colt M1911A1==
In the third-tier 'dream world' the Wiseman ([[Scott Glenn]]) presents Baby Doll with her weapons, one of which is a nickel plated engraved [[M1911A1]] pistol with spare magazines (and small jewelry attachments). In the real world, a blued M1911A1 is used by Baby Doll ([[Emily Browning]]). Blue (Oscar Isaac) uses an M1911A1 with a bright nickel finish and pearl grips in the brothel.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]
[[Image:SP 01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wooden box is opened to reveal a polished nickel plated M1911A1 with three spare magazines. Note the trinkets attached by cord to the lanyard ring. These trinkets are visible in the character's movie poster.]]
[[Image:SP-M1911CY.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Baby Doll tries to shoot her stepfather with his M1911A1]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchM1911.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|In the real world, Baby Doll tries to shoot her stepfather with the M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:SP-M1911Dropped.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|Baby Doll drops the M1911A1 when she tries to run away after shooting at her evil stepfather.]]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:SP-BTS3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Emily Browning aiming her M1911A1 at a firing range.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP7A1==
Baby Doll ([[Emily Browning]])uses a suppressed [[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] with a tiny red dot sight, a flashlight, and two magazines taped together during the assault on the dragon's lair.
[[Image:MP7 40rdmag.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Heckler & Koch MP7A1 4.6x30mm with Zeiss Z-Point red dot sight and 40-round magazine]]
[[Image:SP-BabyDollMP7.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SP 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Colt M4A1==
An [[M4A1]] with rails, a SureShot reflex sight, and a flashlight is used by Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]), fitted with a suppressor during the hunt for the dragon's baby.
[[Image:ColtM4A1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt M4A1 with 6 position collapsible stock - 5.56x45mm. Note slight difference in shape of stock compared to older model M4 (above).]]
[[Image:SP 02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) uses an M4 Carbine when she enters the Dragon's lair with the others.]]
[[Image:SP 14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) (center) uses an M4 Carbine during the air battle.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchSuppressedM4.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|During some of the battles, Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) (left) uses a suppressor on her M4 Carbine]]

==Remington 870==
In the battle with armed automatons, Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) uses a tactical [[Remington 870]] Shotgun with surefire light, door breaching muzzle, and Knoxx M4 style stock. The brand of the stock is fairly unclear in the movie, but production stills clearly show "KNOXX" written on it.[http://trailers.apple.com//705/us/media/galleries/wb/suckerpunch/SPD-07922_720.jpg]
[[Image:Model870P 14inlg.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Police "Entry Gun" with a Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:SP 03.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) sweeps left and then front when she enters the large hallway.]]
[[Image:SP 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sweetpea ([[Abbie Cornish]]) gets ready to engage an army of robots with her Remington 870 shotgun]]

===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:SP-BTS1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abbie Cornish firing her Remington 870 at a firing range. Note the absence of the M4 stock.]]

==Heckler & Koch UMP45==
In all of the missions in the dream, Rocket ([[Jena Malone]]) carries [[Heckler & Koch UMP|Heckler & Koch UMP45]] with a SureShot reflex sight, a foregrip, and a flashlight. It is suppressed during the mission into the Dragon's lair, however an enormous muzzle flash can be seen when she fires it.
[[Image:UMP-45 Ironman.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch UMP45 - .45 ACP. This is a screen used UMP45 that appeared in the film [[Live Free or Die Hard]] and was later used on the set of [[Iron Man (2008)]]. It is one of many UMP-45s that appeared in both films and is in the same configuration seen in both films.]]
[[Image:SP-Girlsw3gunsDragon.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
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[[Image:SP-RocketUMP.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SuckerPunch3GirlShoot.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:SP-BTS.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jena Malone with her standard UMP.]]

==Flintlock Pistol==
During the trench battle with the World War One German Zombie Soldiers, Rocket ([[Jena Malone]]) uses a combination of bayonet and single shot flintlock pistol. She uses the pistol as a club in hand to hand combat, which is probably the most practical use for the antiquated weapon in that battle.
[[Image:SP-FlintlockPistol01.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rocket ([[Jena Malone]]) prepares to slam a Zombie German soldier with her Flintlock Pistol.]]
[[Image:SP-FlintlockPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rocket ([[Jena Malone]]) strikes with her Flintlock Pistol.]]
[[Image:SP-Flintlock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rocket catches her Flintlock pistol as she uses it to block a zombie's attack.]]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:SP-BTS5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jena Malone with a Flintlock Pistol during a rehearsal for the trench warfare scene.]]

==Daewoo K3 (mocked up as FN Minimi SPW)==
Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) use a [[Daewoo K3]] light machine gun fitted with a rail forearm and vertical grip (standing in for the [[FN Minimi|FN Minimi SPW]]). It is recognizable as a K3 due to the shape of the gas tube and front site, visible in the second screencap below. Despite being seen firing it in the trailer, she abandons it for her MP5K as soon as they reach the trench.

[[Image:DaewooK3.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Daewoo K3 with a chopped barrel and buttstock to resemble an M249 Paratrooper - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchTrench.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|While the girls walk down a World War One trench filled with British soldiers, Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) carries a Daewoo K3 SPW.]]
[[Image:M249%2B800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Blondie fires the K3.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5K==
A [[Heckler & Koch MP5K]] with an SEF trigger group, but also with a PDW-style flash hider, fitted with a small red dot sight and a flashlight is used by Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) as a back up to her K3.
[[Image:MP5K-SEF.jpg|thumb|none|450px| Heckler & Koch MP5K - 9mm.]]
[[Image:SP-BLondieMp5KAirFight.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Walther PPK==
A PPK is seen holstered on Blondie, but she never draws or uses it.

==Glock 17/19==
Amber uses either a Glock 17 or 19 as her sidearm. As she seems to always be the pilot in the group, she most likely wouldn't need anything more that this. In the film she is only seen firing it from the cockpit of the bomber to dislodge an Orc, but one of her character posters shows her wielding it in the trenches of WWI.[http://trailers.apple.com//705/us/media/galleries/wb/suckerpunch/SuckerPunch_Amber_Keyart_Dom_RGB_1600x2333_720.jpg]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:SP-BTS4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Abbie Cornish training with a Glock in the behind the scenes footage.]]

==Springfield 03-A4==
The Wiseman ([[Scott Glenn]]) uses an anachronistic 03A4 Sniper rifle in the trenches of World War 1, when he explains how the Germans are reanimating their dead with clockwork mechanisms and steam.
[[Image:Rifle Springfield M1903A4 with M84 sight.jpg|none|thumb|450px|M1903A4 Springfield sniper variant .30-06 with M84 scope.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunch03.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|''If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything,'']]

==Browning M2HB==
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchM2HB.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px|''Take that, you ugly mother!'']]
[[Image:M2HB-SP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of Blondie firing her Browning M2HB.]]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:BTS-SPBrowning.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vanessa Hudgens firing her Browning M2HB during a rehearsal for the plane scene.]]

==Browning M1919A4==
A [[Browning M1919|Browning M1919A4]] is seen being manned by Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) in the many air battles of the fantasy world.
[[Image:BrowningM37MG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M1919]]
[[Image:M1919-SP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Browning M1919A4 about to be manned by Blondie.]]
===Behind the Scenes===
[[Image:BTS-SPM1919.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Vanessa Hudgens firing her Browning M1919A4 during filming of the air battle scene.]]

==Lewis Gun==
During the trench battle, Baby Doll uses a Lewis Gun to shoot down the escaping zeppelin.
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Lewis gun - .303 British]]
[[Image:SP 06.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchLewisHold.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchLewisFires.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Unknown revolver==
[[Image:SP-RevolverDeflect02.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Someone firing a double action revolver at Baby Doll who herself is armed with a katana.]]
[[Image:SP 05.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sparks fly as Baby Doll deflects the bullet with her blade.]]

==Unidentified Carbine==
In one of many (intentional) weapon anachronisms, a zombie German World War One Soldier attacks Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) in the trench with a rifle that has its bayonet mounted. German soldiers from WW1 would be issued the [[Mauser Gewehr 1898]] rifle, but this is too short to be even the anachronistic [[Karabiner 98k]].
[[Image:SP-GermanBayonetRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Blondie ([[Vanessa Hudgens]]) fights off a zombie German soldier with a short carbine that has a bayonet attached.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchGermanRifles.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Scores of World War One Zombie German soldiers attack the girls with long rifles with bayonets attached, but they are cut down by the girls' automatic fire.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchGermanExplosion.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A shot of German Zombie soldiers getting blown up by mortar fire.]]

==Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)==
As the girls walk past the British Soldiers during World War One, the British Soldiers are carrying [[Short Magazine Lee-Enfield (SMLE)|SMLE No1. Mk III]] rifles - .303R
[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchSMLE.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Modified M61 Vulcan==
[[Image:SP 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Demon Samurai giant uses a modified M61 Vulcan in his battle with Baby Doll ([[Emily Browning]])]]
[[Image:SP 10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|On the Right arm of the "Bunny Rabbit Mech" is a modified M61 Vulcan.]]

==SMAW==
The same giant Samurai uses a SMAW that's just as oversized as his M61.

==Unidentified Auto Cannon==
On the left arm of the "Bunny Rabbit" Mech as it shoots down an attacking Bi-plane.
[[Image:SP 08.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchGundamAir.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px]]

==Mac 10==
In the battle with the robots, who are guarding a bomb on a train heading for a city, we see energy weapons which look like they are based on the Modified Mac 10 used in Blade 2
[[Image:SP-RobotWarriorsGuns.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]

==Rocket Pod/Missiles==
The Huey that Amber flies in the third dream has two missiles on each side.
[[Image:SuckerPunchRocketpods.jpg‎ |thumb|none|600px]]

==Trivia Special==
===A look inside the world of Sucker Punch===

[[Image:SP8-Zepplin.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|A World War 1 German Zeppelin crashes.]]
[[Image:SuckerPunchWW1Battlefield.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|An Epic World War One battlefield as seen from the air.]]
[[Image:SP8-SamuraiGiants.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Baby Doll ([[Emily Browning]]) must do battle with three Samurai Giants.]]
[[Image:SP8-Huey.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|The girls prepare for a mission with a Huey Helicopter on an Alien planet.]]
[[Image:SP8-Dragon.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|The dragon, a nemesis for the girls.]]
[[Image:SP8-City.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|A train speeds towards a futuristic city.]]
[[Image:SP8-Cabaret.jpg‎‎|thumb|none|600px|The girls in the dressing room of the Cabaret as they plot their escape.]]

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Talk:Sucker Punch

2011-04-18T14:27:27Z

Captain Snikt: /* Blondie */

==Unknown Revolver==
I think it is a Colt Model 1878. Sometimes called the Frontier Double Action.

==Just saw it==
SPOILER ahead:

Yep, I was afraid it would be like Brazil ...... :( This film will experience a very sharp DROP OFF in revenue after it's premiere. Audiences don't like downer movies .... :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:58, 25 March 2011 (CDT)

I doubt ill see it until netflix.

:Well, I gotta admit, even though the ending kind of made me feel glum on this inside, this film was pretty damn good! Seriously. Its like Girl Interrupted (At least on the mental institution parts. Feel free to disagree), but with the visual beauty and flair of films like Avatar, 300, Watchmen, The Spirit, and Inception, along with the kick-ass balls-to-the-wall action of films like Kill Bill, Iron Man, Sin City, The Last Samurai, Rambo IV, and all those cool action films that really captivate on the audience with breathtaking visuals and in-your-face action moments that prove their point without going too overboard. Sure... the story might be a little unoriginal and lacking depth or development in some places, and yeah, I agree with what you said MPM2008, the ending was one hell of a downer T__T

:But this movie was really awesome for a beginning flick that will pave the way for the harder-hitting summer blockbusters coming soon. Go see this movie folks, you will be in for one hell of a ride! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:28, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

Did anyone else notice the gaping plot hole? They only actually needed to see the map to find the exits to the instiution as simply pulling the fire alarm opens all the doors (the doors dont open when they start the fire only the alarm sounds). if theyd looked at the map then pulled the fire alarm they could have all made a run for it!!!--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:17, 3 April 2011 (CDT)

==Foot Holder/Crotch Watcher==
Seriously, what union is this guy in? I want his job!--[[User:James3|James3]] 21:51, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:Suckerpuncher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Trivia Images==
Though we usually frown on such non firearms related images on the main movie page, I added some pretty cool looking imagery from the HD trailer that is guaranteed to confuse people EVEN MORE! LOL. Obviously a 'trivia' special like this will probably be removed once the film is available on DVD for screencapping and we all concentrated JUST on the guns, but the visuals (and how weird and spectacular they are) is what is causing the primary buzz for the film. Until the film is released, I hope we can indulge me a little by showcasing some of the epic visuals (until the page is properly screencapped after DVD release). The visuals are just so eclectic that it leaves the viewer really scratching their head! LOL :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==Sucker Punch==
Wait, so this movie is about women killing Huns with modern weapons? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No...by my understanding all this is happening in one of the girls head...shes a abused teen and uses this fake world to cope with problems and to deal with a escape from a girls special home or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==This had better not END like BRazil :(==
The girl has a five day window to escape from the mental institution before she is lobotomized. This film had better not end with her getting lobotomized! Downer endings like that suck! The point is that she and the other girl inmates are trying to figure out how to escape, all within the backdrop of the girl's own dreams about a hero life. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but I like Brazil's ending, it was a nice change of pace from usual (happier) movie endings [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::Brazil's ending worked for Brazil. This film could potentially be much more cruel, since the victim of the unjustly administered lobotomy is an abused girl. Though Brazil was a dark look at a totalitarian society, this one could just be an exercise in cruelty. But then I really have a problem with Lobotomies in general. to me it's WORSE than death. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I always thought the worst thing you could do to a person you absolutely hated was an icepick lobotomy. That would be much crueler than death, not matter how slow. That being said, who still does lobotomies? Is the film set in the fifties? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::The 'real world' stories is set in the 1950s, but the fantasy worlds in her head prior to her 'fate' is a mish mash of different dreamworlds. Even though the weapons are anachronistic for her time, since they are all fantasy weapons in her head, it really doesn't bother me being that she is 'dreaming' the weapons and events. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

And lobotomies aren't exactly rare today either, they still happen. But, just like most medical procedures, it's not like television. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:WTF are you talking about? On WHAT do you base this comment? Nobody has done lobotomies since the 1960s. Modern Anti psychotic drugs have taken the place of this barbaric surgical procedure. One, the vast majority of Lobotomies done in the world were in either America, Canada, the Scandinavian Countries or the UK. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:Here's a start http://www.psychologistworld.com/biological/lobotomy.php Not to mention brain tumors. I didn't say it was used in psychological medicine anymore, but is still a medical procedure performed to remove malicious tissue from the brain. I wouldnt just talk out of my ass MPM. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::But if you wanna call horseshit on it, that's fine. No harm , no foul. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::No whoreshit called ;) , you were talking about lobotomies in the context of the surgical removal of brain tissue. I was talking about a FRONTAL LOBOTOMY which was a scrambling of the frontal lobes as a 'cure' for various mental illnesses. So there WAS No harm no foul, we were talking about TWO different things. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are still done in France of all places occasionally, at least since 2001 http://www.ccne-ethique.fr/docs/fr/avis071.pdf. I don't know if you read french though. Admittedly it has been a few years since I've been in psychology classes. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well that's because they're French. What else don't they do over there? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Scary thing is that's just what i could find documentation for. I saw some claims that they're still performed in the US; but since no credible sources jumped out at me on my casual search and any links I post via my school's library database will probably end up as dead for you guys it doesn't seem to be worth the effort to pursue. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 07:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
It's because of modern medicine, such a procedure is now considered obsolete and unnecessary [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

http://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ZZ275A92D4.jpg
In the pic you can see Amber (Jaime Chung) has a Glock 17. Good pic of the Bunny robot and its guns.

It looks like that handgun has a hammer which would make it not a glock.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Might it be the blue finish 1911 shown on the page? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Can someone tell me PLEASE what are the names of all the guns/weapons used in that pic for each girl!?!? Much would be appreciated. Thank you.

:Try taking a look at the main page. All the guns in the pic except the pistol that fishnet stalking girl is holding (which looks like a Glock model but appears to have a hammer unlike any Glock model) are identified there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to know if anybody can identify the pistol holstered on Blondie. I don't think she ever draws it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! I think everything else has been identified except for that one. LOL

==This movie is gonad suck==

I mean from actresses (if you can name em that) their hiring to the idea hell I'm all for girl power but when the hell did girl power mean actual ''girls'' I mean think about aliens and all the other movies women are in powerful roles they usually aren't little girl who act in Disney movies, sure there are examples Summer Glau of course but since she was in firefly everyone already associated her with badass
::I love how anonymous posters slam a film they've never seen .... and their spelling usually SUCKS! LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said before. This movie's all about hot chicks in skimpy clothing, wielding guns, swords and fighting monsters, dragons and demon samurai...What's not to like? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Well I kinda like Surrealistic films and this counts! :) And I gotta admit, the girls look uberhot! I think chicks with guns (When done right and these actresses look like they've had some training) is HOT! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

At least they don't look like they're duel wielding or shooting from the hip like all hotties do [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Frankly the sight of them walking across that bridge or whatever in a spread tactical formation bodes well for me. At least they had some sort of training for this that, and this is based on the images, they seem to be holding their weapons in a professional manner not, as Excalibur said, in some amateur fashion.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This article [http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/07/26/sucker-punch-female-stars-trained-with-navy-seals-to-prepare/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mtvmoviesblog+%28MTV+Movies+Blog%29|article] says they were trained six hours a day for three months by Navy SEALS. --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

When I heard that Vanessa Hudgens was in this, I repeatedly slammed my head on my desk. But when I saw her all grungey looking with a shag haircut and MP5K, I immediately thought "This is going to be epic!". I had the same reaction with Kristen Stewart as Joan Jett in ''The Runaways''. First I though "FAIL", then after seeing the previews, I thought "WIN!". -[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 23:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Saw this movie the night it came out, wasnt packed, but it had a good crowd, it was an awesome movie, and the girls were all definitely trained in tactics and usage of firearms, it was awesome! --[[User:Puckstopper|Puckstopper]] 15:18, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

==anachronistic==
the look of there imaginary world look like they took fiction, past, present, and future and mash them to gather. this kind of visual style making the idea of anachronistic pointless. we have dragons chasing a B-25 and Robots gunning down WW1 biplanes. so if thinks are out of place, they are there for the visual style. an example if a character is a detective he would be dresses like a 1930s detective so say up fount that he is a detective
::No, being Anachronistic is still relevant to the context of the film. Since the girl is 'dreaming' her worlds, having ANY of those items is understandable, except for the stuff which has not been invented yet. A girl in the 1950s dreaming of a B-25 Bomber and a fire breathing dragon is not anachronistic. Now if they had her make a call on an IPHONE, that would be stupid. The weapons anachronisms only 'work' because they could be things that she dreams someday could be real, but even that's a bit of a cop out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The School girl outfit the lead chick wears might be anachronistic if this takes place in the 50s because I don't believe such a style would exist at the time because the whole "bad girl", slutty girl motif hasn't been invented yet. So pretty much most of the weapons shouldn't even be in the girl's mind because seriously. Hate to seem sexist here, but how many girls does your granddad knows that knows guns enough to imagine guns that would not exist for 40 years? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I mean, seriously, robots that look like those? From the mind of a girl from the 50s. Robots weren't that streamline looking [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
::She was very forward thinking ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you really want them to design a whole new set of firing prop guns (which would probably be lackluster or simply ugly, then you would complain about ''that'') when they can use real ones and just get on with it? --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Real ones that don't fit in the time of the movie, even though it's a lot of made up dream sequences, it is still the 1950s and NONE of the weapons, especially the plastic ones like the UMP, and MP7 would exist. Couple that with that this IS a girl and yeah, if a girl dreams herself looking all slutty like that, odds are, she's not a gun nut as well and would have just dreamed up guns that fit her timeframe on what she saw in movies and posters of the time. I don't know how a girl in the 50s America would have heard of Samurai. Dragons, sure, everyone knows dragons and we've got NAZI's apparently or Germans. So it is understandable that her weird dreams of awesomeness would have things that exist in her time period or at least made up guns that don't exist at all. This is me speaking in a movie story sense. I'll reuse and modify something I said in Call of Duty Black OPS. Just like SOG, the dream world can bring in whatever you want since you'd have unlimited imagination, but that imagination can go only as far as the reality it is based on. So like how SOG in Black Ops cant get guns that hasnt even existed on paper yet, this girl's dreams can't dream up M4s and MP5s because they havent even existed in paper yet. Saying this is all a dream is not an excuse, it should have been something for the prop guns to build fictional guns from nothing because this is a dream [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
::She's probably inventive or something. [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 05:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Now you seem to be getting Asperger's syndrome, Excalibur! LOL! ;) I suppose it's BS to have AK47s in the hands of Capricans in Battlestar Galactica or M1 Garands in the hands of Tegalans in Stargate SG-1. I mean how is it possible that they had identical weapons development? Statistically it's nearly impossible to come up with identical (not just almost identical, but Completely identical) lines of technology designs. I say "so what?" There are many other things to worry about and given that we STILL don't know the entire story, I wouldn't waste any more time stressing over it. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:: Of course, this is assuming the surrealistic dream world is ''only'' in her head. It is entirely possible that the movie has a supernatural twist that hasn't been disclosed yet.

::: According to the pictures there are no Nazis, only "normal" Imperial German soldiers. Or will there be Nazis in the final film? Anyways - though heavily CGIed - the film looks interesting. Btw the short unidentified carbine could be one of the shortened G88s, which were used by pioneers or the artillery troops. But I am not sure wether there were still bayonet lugs or not. --Paul_Baeumer[[Special:Contributions/84.181.246.81|84.181.246.81]] 22:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:: There's the above point about the twist ending, but I can't believe I have to say this. Consider the film's pedigree--this is Zack Snyder we're talking about. This film is just going to be brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment, so I think he's just throwing all the cool shit on screen he can, anachronisms be damned.
::: True, that would fit with what he did in 300. I just think it's such an obvious twist it'd be a shame if they left it out. I know my first thought upon reading the description was "wouldn't it be cool if she turned out to be psychic, and that's why everyone thinks she's crazy?" I'm probably wrong, but it'd be a cool plot point in my books.
:: Did you even see Watchmen? Yes, he didn't write it, but it couldn't be further from "brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment."--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== What the hell is the plot of this movie? ==

Seriously, usually I can understand something about the plot from the images posted on the movie page, but this one makes absolutely no sense. I mean, I see zombies, nazis, robots, giant samurais with machine gun, and hookers with katanas. Can someone please explain what the plot of this movie is, so I can stop bashing my head against a proverbial wall trying to understand it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's so obvious Silly! It's the story of a wheat farmer in Depression Era Kansas and dealing with the death of his gay lover!! MPM

:according to wikipida "Set in the 1950s, it tells the story of Baby Doll (Browning), who is trying to hide from the pain caused by her evil stepfather and lobotomy. She ends up in mental institution in Brattleboro, Vermont and while there she starts to imagine an alternate reality. She plans to escape from that imaginary world but to do that she needs to steal five objects before she is captured by an unknown adversary. She has 5 days to escape before being lobotomized. In order to cope with the situation, she enters the hyper-real world of her imagination, and the lines between reality and dream begin to blur. She is joined with friends who are inmates from the institution. Lessons learned in the said fantasy world could help the girls escape their real-world fate."

So in the real world she's going to get her brains scrabbled and in the other world she's going to get her cherry popped?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You know it's only a movie right? And a film that is coming from director Zack Snyder, it's best if you check in reality at the door when you see this film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Modified Mini-Gun ==
Considering the relative size of the demon samurai could this be an [[M61 Vulcan]] instead? The large canister like housing behind the barrel cluster could be the ammo drum. Just a thought. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
: Could be. It's still a fantasy weapon, but the basis makes sense that it is a much larger weapon since the Samurai is pretty much King Kong sized. Technically I just added that for the sake of 'completeness'. Since it is 'some' sort of firearm. Changing it to a Vulcan seems okay to me. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I think its an M134 Minigun, the ammo is actually coming from a backpack and the drum that's on the gun is probably the motor and battery --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 12:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Just saw it, it was an oversized M134, and the same guy fired an equaly oversized SMAW right before. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:20, 30 March 2011 (CDT)

==M249 Para==

This movie was filmed in British Columbia, Canada. If I had to guess, the "M249" carried by Vanessa Hudgens is probably going to be one of those [[Daewoo K3]]s with RIS (because as we've seen in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', ''[[Walking Tall]]'', ''[[Postal]]'', etc., the armorers in British Columbia don't seem to have any real M249s and always use the K3 as a stand-in). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

:Wouldn't you know...I was right:

:[[Image:M249%2B800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Wow, I know I've been on this site way too long when I predict what a weapon is going to be based on the country in which it was filmed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Just saw an article about the movie on Entertainment Tonight (yes I watch it) and they show Hudgens on a green screen firing the weapon and you can clearly see it is a K3.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:14, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== GLOCK ==

It's GLOCK 19 or not?
[[Image:Glock_19.jpg‎‎]]

Looks like a white Block, fix the picture please.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't know why, but any uploaded files in InternetExplorer looks like that. In Opera and Chrome pictures looks fine.

That looks like a lefty...it would be a glock 19 if anything,to small to be a 17 and it has a rail so it can't be a 26.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Behind The Scenes==
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It4NITv1tdY&NR

And This (parts 2 and 3 too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deHYrQlXkgQ

This is pretty sweet, seems like always used their own guns, even for just for training. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 05:54, 11 April 2011 (CDT)

== Robot Guns ==

In the making of the robot automiton soldiers (from the train scene) are armed with the modified MAC 10's seen in the Blade movies painted green and pre CG. I think it is fair to assume these are the real life models the guns are built on - Captain Snikt

==Blondie==
Her never used pistol is a PPK. Also note that her MP5K has an SEF trigger group, but also has a PDW flash hider, and that combo is not a real variant. It's either an "MP5K" with a PDW flash hider, or an "MP5K-N" with an SEF trigger group, same thing.

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Sucker-Punch-character-poster4-Blondie.jpg
[[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 02:17, 18 April 2011 (CDT)

There is no paddle release on that pic soo im assuming its a SP89 with a pdw front fitted - Captain Snikt

Inception

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==Unknown Revolver==
I think it is a Colt Model 1878. Sometimes called the Frontier Double Action.

==Just saw it==
SPOILER ahead:

Yep, I was afraid it would be like Brazil ...... :( This film will experience a very sharp DROP OFF in revenue after it's premiere. Audiences don't like downer movies .... :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:58, 25 March 2011 (CDT)

I doubt ill see it until netflix.

:Well, I gotta admit, even though the ending kind of made me feel glum on this inside, this film was pretty damn good! Seriously. Its like Girl Interrupted (At least on the mental institution parts. Feel free to disagree), but with the visual beauty and flair of films like Avatar, 300, Watchmen, The Spirit, and Inception, along with the kick-ass balls-to-the-wall action of films like Kill Bill, Iron Man, Sin City, The Last Samurai, Rambo IV, and all those cool action films that really captivate on the audience with breathtaking visuals and in-your-face action moments that prove their point without going too overboard. Sure... the story might be a little unoriginal and lacking depth or development in some places, and yeah, I agree with what you said MPM2008, the ending was one hell of a downer T__T

:But this movie was really awesome for a beginning flick that will pave the way for the harder-hitting summer blockbusters coming soon. Go see this movie folks, you will be in for one hell of a ride! --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 03:28, 26 March 2011 (CDT)

Did anyone else notice the gaping plot hole? They only actually needed to see the map to find the exits to the instiution as simply pulling the fire alarm opens all the doors (the doors dont open when they start the fire only the alarm sounds). if theyd looked at the map then pulled the fire alarm they could have all made a run for it!!!--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:17, 3 April 2011 (CDT)

==Foot Holder/Crotch Watcher==
Seriously, what union is this guy in? I want his job!--[[User:James3|James3]] 21:51, 17 March 2011 (CDT)

[[Image:Suckerpuncher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

==Trivia Images==
Though we usually frown on such non firearms related images on the main movie page, I added some pretty cool looking imagery from the HD trailer that is guaranteed to confuse people EVEN MORE! LOL. Obviously a 'trivia' special like this will probably be removed once the film is available on DVD for screencapping and we all concentrated JUST on the guns, but the visuals (and how weird and spectacular they are) is what is causing the primary buzz for the film. Until the film is released, I hope we can indulge me a little by showcasing some of the epic visuals (until the page is properly screencapped after DVD release). The visuals are just so eclectic that it leaves the viewer really scratching their head! LOL :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

==Sucker Punch==
Wait, so this movie is about women killing Huns with modern weapons? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 19:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No...by my understanding all this is happening in one of the girls head...shes a abused teen and uses this fake world to cope with problems and to deal with a escape from a girls special home or something like that.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==This had better not END like BRazil :(==
The girl has a five day window to escape from the mental institution before she is lobotomized. This film had better not end with her getting lobotomized! Downer endings like that suck! The point is that she and the other girl inmates are trying to figure out how to escape, all within the backdrop of the girl's own dreams about a hero life. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:22, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but I like Brazil's ending, it was a nice change of pace from usual (happier) movie endings [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 21:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
::Brazil's ending worked for Brazil. This film could potentially be much more cruel, since the victim of the unjustly administered lobotomy is an abused girl. Though Brazil was a dark look at a totalitarian society, this one could just be an exercise in cruelty. But then I really have a problem with Lobotomies in general. to me it's WORSE than death. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::I always thought the worst thing you could do to a person you absolutely hated was an icepick lobotomy. That would be much crueler than death, not matter how slow. That being said, who still does lobotomies? Is the film set in the fifties? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 01:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::The 'real world' stories is set in the 1950s, but the fantasy worlds in her head prior to her 'fate' is a mish mash of different dreamworlds. Even though the weapons are anachronistic for her time, since they are all fantasy weapons in her head, it really doesn't bother me being that she is 'dreaming' the weapons and events. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

And lobotomies aren't exactly rare today either, they still happen. But, just like most medical procedures, it's not like television. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:WTF are you talking about? On WHAT do you base this comment? Nobody has done lobotomies since the 1960s. Modern Anti psychotic drugs have taken the place of this barbaric surgical procedure. One, the vast majority of Lobotomies done in the world were in either America, Canada, the Scandinavian Countries or the UK. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

:Here's a start http://www.psychologistworld.com/biological/lobotomy.php Not to mention brain tumors. I didn't say it was used in psychological medicine anymore, but is still a medical procedure performed to remove malicious tissue from the brain. I wouldnt just talk out of my ass MPM. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:36, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::But if you wanna call horseshit on it, that's fine. No harm , no foul. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::No whoreshit called ;) , you were talking about lobotomies in the context of the surgical removal of brain tissue. I was talking about a FRONTAL LOBOTOMY which was a scrambling of the frontal lobes as a 'cure' for various mental illnesses. So there WAS No harm no foul, we were talking about TWO different things. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are still done in France of all places occasionally, at least since 2001 http://www.ccne-ethique.fr/docs/fr/avis071.pdf. I don't know if you read french though. Admittedly it has been a few years since I've been in psychology classes. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 06:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well that's because they're French. What else don't they do over there? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
:Scary thing is that's just what i could find documentation for. I saw some claims that they're still performed in the US; but since no credible sources jumped out at me on my casual search and any links I post via my school's library database will probably end up as dead for you guys it doesn't seem to be worth the effort to pursue. =P [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 07:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
It's because of modern medicine, such a procedure is now considered obsolete and unnecessary [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 15:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

http://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ZZ275A92D4.jpg
In the pic you can see Amber (Jaime Chung) has a Glock 17. Good pic of the Bunny robot and its guns.

It looks like that handgun has a hammer which would make it not a glock.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 15:01, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Might it be the blue finish 1911 shown on the page? --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Can someone tell me PLEASE what are the names of all the guns/weapons used in that pic for each girl!?!? Much would be appreciated. Thank you.

:Try taking a look at the main page. All the guns in the pic except the pistol that fishnet stalking girl is holding (which looks like a Glock model but appears to have a hammer unlike any Glock model) are identified there. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 14:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

==This movie is gonad suck==

I mean from actresses (if you can name em that) their hiring to the idea hell I'm all for girl power but when the hell did girl power mean actual ''girls'' I mean think about aliens and all the other movies women are in powerful roles they usually aren't little girl who act in Disney movies, sure there are examples Summer Glau of course but since she was in firefly everyone already associated her with badass
::I love how anonymous posters slam a film they've never seen .... and their spelling usually SUCKS! LOL! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said before. This movie's all about hot chicks in skimpy clothing, wielding guns, swords and fighting monsters, dragons and demon samurai...What's not to like? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Well I kinda like Surrealistic films and this counts! :) And I gotta admit, the girls look uberhot! I think chicks with guns (When done right and these actresses look like they've had some training) is HOT! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

At least they don't look like they're duel wielding or shooting from the hip like all hotties do [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Frankly the sight of them walking across that bridge or whatever in a spread tactical formation bodes well for me. At least they had some sort of training for this that, and this is based on the images, they seem to be holding their weapons in a professional manner not, as Excalibur said, in some amateur fashion.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 09:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This article [http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/07/26/sucker-punch-female-stars-trained-with-navy-seals-to-prepare/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mtvmoviesblog+%28MTV+Movies+Blog%29|article] says they were trained six hours a day for three months by Navy SEALS. --[[User:Redram355|redram355]] 20:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

When I heard that Vanessa Hudgens was in this, I repeatedly slammed my head on my desk. But when I saw her all grungey looking with a shag haircut and MP5K, I immediately thought "This is going to be epic!". I had the same reaction with Kristen Stewart as Joan Jett in ''The Runaways''. First I though "FAIL", then after seeing the previews, I thought "WIN!". -[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 23:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Saw this movie the night it came out, wasnt packed, but it had a good crowd, it was an awesome movie, and the girls were all definitely trained in tactics and usage of firearms, it was awesome! --[[User:Puckstopper|Puckstopper]] 15:18, 28 March 2011 (CDT)

==anachronistic==
the look of there imaginary world look like they took fiction, past, present, and future and mash them to gather. this kind of visual style making the idea of anachronistic pointless. we have dragons chasing a B-25 and Robots gunning down WW1 biplanes. so if thinks are out of place, they are there for the visual style. an example if a character is a detective he would be dresses like a 1930s detective so say up fount that he is a detective
::No, being Anachronistic is still relevant to the context of the film. Since the girl is 'dreaming' her worlds, having ANY of those items is understandable, except for the stuff which has not been invented yet. A girl in the 1950s dreaming of a B-25 Bomber and a fire breathing dragon is not anachronistic. Now if they had her make a call on an IPHONE, that would be stupid. The weapons anachronisms only 'work' because they could be things that she dreams someday could be real, but even that's a bit of a cop out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The School girl outfit the lead chick wears might be anachronistic if this takes place in the 50s because I don't believe such a style would exist at the time because the whole "bad girl", slutty girl motif hasn't been invented yet. So pretty much most of the weapons shouldn't even be in the girl's mind because seriously. Hate to seem sexist here, but how many girls does your granddad knows that knows guns enough to imagine guns that would not exist for 40 years? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

I mean, seriously, robots that look like those? From the mind of a girl from the 50s. Robots weren't that streamline looking [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
::She was very forward thinking ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:31, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Do you really want them to design a whole new set of firing prop guns (which would probably be lackluster or simply ugly, then you would complain about ''that'') when they can use real ones and just get on with it? --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Real ones that don't fit in the time of the movie, even though it's a lot of made up dream sequences, it is still the 1950s and NONE of the weapons, especially the plastic ones like the UMP, and MP7 would exist. Couple that with that this IS a girl and yeah, if a girl dreams herself looking all slutty like that, odds are, she's not a gun nut as well and would have just dreamed up guns that fit her timeframe on what she saw in movies and posters of the time. I don't know how a girl in the 50s America would have heard of Samurai. Dragons, sure, everyone knows dragons and we've got NAZI's apparently or Germans. So it is understandable that her weird dreams of awesomeness would have things that exist in her time period or at least made up guns that don't exist at all. This is me speaking in a movie story sense. I'll reuse and modify something I said in Call of Duty Black OPS. Just like SOG, the dream world can bring in whatever you want since you'd have unlimited imagination, but that imagination can go only as far as the reality it is based on. So like how SOG in Black Ops cant get guns that hasnt even existed on paper yet, this girl's dreams can't dream up M4s and MP5s because they havent even existed in paper yet. Saying this is all a dream is not an excuse, it should have been something for the prop guns to build fictional guns from nothing because this is a dream [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:34, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
::She's probably inventive or something. [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 05:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Now you seem to be getting Asperger's syndrome, Excalibur! LOL! ;) I suppose it's BS to have AK47s in the hands of Capricans in Battlestar Galactica or M1 Garands in the hands of Tegalans in Stargate SG-1. I mean how is it possible that they had identical weapons development? Statistically it's nearly impossible to come up with identical (not just almost identical, but Completely identical) lines of technology designs. I say "so what?" There are many other things to worry about and given that we STILL don't know the entire story, I wouldn't waste any more time stressing over it. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:02, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

:: Of course, this is assuming the surrealistic dream world is ''only'' in her head. It is entirely possible that the movie has a supernatural twist that hasn't been disclosed yet.

::: According to the pictures there are no Nazis, only "normal" Imperial German soldiers. Or will there be Nazis in the final film? Anyways - though heavily CGIed - the film looks interesting. Btw the short unidentified carbine could be one of the shortened G88s, which were used by pioneers or the artillery troops. But I am not sure wether there were still bayonet lugs or not. --Paul_Baeumer[[Special:Contributions/84.181.246.81|84.181.246.81]] 22:53, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

:: There's the above point about the twist ending, but I can't believe I have to say this. Consider the film's pedigree--this is Zack Snyder we're talking about. This film is just going to be brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment, so I think he's just throwing all the cool shit on screen he can, anachronisms be damned.
::: True, that would fit with what he did in 300. I just think it's such an obvious twist it'd be a shame if they left it out. I know my first thought upon reading the description was "wouldn't it be cool if she turned out to be psychic, and that's why everyone thinks she's crazy?" I'm probably wrong, but it'd be a cool plot point in my books.
:: Did you even see Watchmen? Yes, he didn't write it, but it couldn't be further from "brainless hyper-masculine wish fulfillment."--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

== What the hell is the plot of this movie? ==

Seriously, usually I can understand something about the plot from the images posted on the movie page, but this one makes absolutely no sense. I mean, I see zombies, nazis, robots, giant samurais with machine gun, and hookers with katanas. Can someone please explain what the plot of this movie is, so I can stop bashing my head against a proverbial wall trying to understand it. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 21:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
:::It's so obvious Silly! It's the story of a wheat farmer in Depression Era Kansas and dealing with the death of his gay lover!! MPM

:according to wikipida "Set in the 1950s, it tells the story of Baby Doll (Browning), who is trying to hide from the pain caused by her evil stepfather and lobotomy. She ends up in mental institution in Brattleboro, Vermont and while there she starts to imagine an alternate reality. She plans to escape from that imaginary world but to do that she needs to steal five objects before she is captured by an unknown adversary. She has 5 days to escape before being lobotomized. In order to cope with the situation, she enters the hyper-real world of her imagination, and the lines between reality and dream begin to blur. She is joined with friends who are inmates from the institution. Lessons learned in the said fantasy world could help the girls escape their real-world fate."

So in the real world she's going to get her brains scrabbled and in the other world she's going to get her cherry popped?--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:48, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You know it's only a movie right? And a film that is coming from director Zack Snyder, it's best if you check in reality at the door when you see this film. --[[User:ThatoneguyJosh|ThatoneguyJosh]] 01:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

== Modified Mini-Gun ==
Considering the relative size of the demon samurai could this be an [[M61 Vulcan]] instead? The large canister like housing behind the barrel cluster could be the ammo drum. Just a thought. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
: Could be. It's still a fantasy weapon, but the basis makes sense that it is a much larger weapon since the Samurai is pretty much King Kong sized. Technically I just added that for the sake of 'completeness'. Since it is 'some' sort of firearm. Changing it to a Vulcan seems okay to me. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I think its an M134 Minigun, the ammo is actually coming from a backpack and the drum that's on the gun is probably the motor and battery --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 12:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

:Just saw it, it was an oversized M134, and the same guy fired an equaly oversized SMAW right before. [[User:Alex T Snow|Alex T Snow]] 03:20, 30 March 2011 (CDT)

==M249 Para==

This movie was filmed in British Columbia, Canada. If I had to guess, the "M249" carried by Vanessa Hudgens is probably going to be one of those [[Daewoo K3]]s with RIS (because as we've seen in ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', ''[[Walking Tall]]'', ''[[Postal]]'', etc., the armorers in British Columbia don't seem to have any real M249s and always use the K3 as a stand-in). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

:Wouldn't you know...I was right:

:[[Image:M249%2B800.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

:Wow, I know I've been on this site way too long when I predict what a weapon is going to be based on the country in which it was filmed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:53, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
::Just saw an article about the movie on Entertainment Tonight (yes I watch it) and they show Hudgens on a green screen firing the weapon and you can clearly see it is a K3.--[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 18:14, 16 March 2011 (CDT)

== GLOCK ==

It's GLOCK 19 or not?
[[Image:Glock_19.jpg‎‎]]

Looks like a white Block, fix the picture please.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 19:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't know why, but any uploaded files in InternetExplorer looks like that. In Opera and Chrome pictures looks fine.

That looks like a lefty...it would be a glock 19 if anything,to small to be a 17 and it has a rail so it can't be a 26.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

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==Blue Bloods==
Can someone make a page for this new show starring Tom Selleck?--[[User:SAMBAMA|SAMBAMA]] 18:39, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

==Steven Seagal==
Why is their no weapon page for Seagal's The Patriot?
: Well Mr., why don't you make it yourself? And while your at it, sign your posts. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 06:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Killzone ==
how are none of the killzone games on this website? i know they contain fictional weapons but its still intresting and other games with mock up weapons such as resident evil 0 are on here?

== Malcom X and 9 Deaths of the Ninja ==

There's a scene where Archie says, "Frisk me", and Malcom is unable to find the gun because it's hidden in the small of archie's back. Anyone know what type of gun that is? Oh and there's a low budget movie called "9 Deaths of the Ninja" which features a gatling type rifle called "the Dancer". Anyone know anything about that? Hit me up on my Talk Page. [[User:Des|Des]] 08:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==NCIS/Sons of Anarchy crossover arsenal==
Hey I'm writing a crossover between those two shows and would like a second opinion about the arsenal the 3 Nomads use. it's listed below.

Nomad’s weapons: In Trojan Horse and the sequels that will follow The Nomads employ a variety of guns and weapons to get the job done, however they usually carry them on their persons, their saddlebags, or in their Chevy van.
Their weapons include:
On person:
Sam: Glock 22, KaBar, Glock 26 on right ankle holster, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Vince: Glock 21, KaBar, 2 Glock 26s on a duel ankle holster on right ankle, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Hank: Dual Glock 21s in shoulder rig, Big Daddy Jungle Knife, 1 Glock 30 on right ankle holster, Tiger shark combat knife on left ankle

In Saddle bags: 10 in each

Sam: 1 Sawed off Remington 1100, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 1 Tec 9, 2 Kimber Custom 45s, 3 Glock 17s, 1 Glock 34, 1 Berretta PX4 storm 45

Vince: 1 Sawed off Ithaca M37, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 8 Glock 19s

Hank: 1 Sawed off Remington M870, 9 Glock 21s

106 in Van in a custom extra tire compartment in the back floor, gun rack, glove

compartments, and boxes:

60 Handguns:

30 Glock 17s

10 Glock 21s

10 Glock 22s

10 Glock 27s

15 Shotguns:

5 Sawed off Remington M870s

5 Sawed off Ithaca M37s

5 Benelli M4 tacticals

12 Assault Rifles:

12 AK 47s

11 Knives:

5 5” Tantos

1 Spartan fixed blade

3 13” Bowie Knives

2 Neck Knives

8 Melee:

3 Louisville Sluggers

1 9 iron golf club

2 sawed off pool cues

1 black jack

1 Brass knuckles

What do you guys think? Are these weapons appropriate for outlaw bikers?
Also heres the link to the story:http: //www.fanfiction.net/s/5643700/1/Trojan_Horse. tell me what you think.

==Bolt-Action Shotguns==
I have watched some youtube videos with people using a variety of bolt-action shotguns, one of the videos is called 16 ga one handed redneck style where he has modified this bolt-action shotty by sawing off the stock and adding a green finish, if you can identify it I would appreciate it.

==IMFDB = Internet Movie Firearms Data Base, right?==
That's an assumption from the obvious subject of this Wiki. Don't you think the full name should appear on the Main Page? I don't see it anywhere! Fine Wiki you've got going here. [[Special:Contributions/68.199.188.123|68.199.188.123]] 05:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:You are right! We should have the title INTERNET MOVIE FIREARMS DATA BASE somewhere boldly on the main page. I can EDIT the page, but it has a lot of wiki code on it and I don't want to mess anything up. Can someone else with access (and more wiki code experience) do this change? Can Bunni do this change? It seems pretty obvious and I can't believe we didn't catch it until now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I see now we have a big '''Internet Movie Firearms Database''' banner on the main page. Looks good. All the OCD nuts should be happy now! Yay! :b Seriously though, it is good to have it, thanks and nice job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

==Oh, and another question==
Just watched very interesting commercial. Directed by [[Sam Raimi]] it's actually spoofing [[Desperado]]. There are guns, including [[Remington 1866 Derringer]], one of my personal favoties, i can recognize it everywhere. There's also [[John Saxon]] here. Can i do a page about this commercial? Also, if more global, can commercials and music videos be here, as they also media, like video games and movies. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know about that. That's getting too much out of scope, I think. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::NO Commercials, NO Music Videos. There are tons of commercials that play only in Europe or Asia and we can't verify any of that info here. For one thing, you can't BUY or rent the DVDs of television commercials and (the vast majority of) Music videos to screencap them, or more importantly, confirm the veracity of said pages. Yes, chances are you can find a (usually low rez version) on the Internet, but really, do people wonder about the guns in either of those types of visual media? If we include ALL visual media, then we would be forced to accept news broadcasts, documentaries, industrial or training videos, etc. etc. and veer farther from the central theme of being the MOVIE firearms database. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::: You wrong actually - there are tons of DVD and festivals, that show commercials. And you can verify them via youtube Though, never mind. But can i do the thing on [[Sam Raimi]] page as a bonus like "Other Works" on IMDB? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 09:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::::No YOU'RE WRONG, Kloga. You insist on adding things that are (a) unnecessary and (b) Stupid. I'm on the verge of banning just because you keep on pushing it and pushing when we say NO to your various ideas. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

- Commercials? Music videos? Are you joking? Man, there are literally zillions of commercials that have been made in the world, and I'm sure a healthy percentage of them have gun usage. There have also been loads upon loads of music videos, with a much higher percentage of them having firearms in them. All of which would make for a rather ugly number of additional pages. You're talking about increasing this site in size and organization by at least two or three-fold, if not far more. Be realistic. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==Request: High Heels & Low Lifes==
While kinda chick-flick-ish, it's still a highly entertaining movie.. and has some really nice looking firearms. There is a scene where one of the main characters, Mason, is standing in the doorway of a darkened apartment, turns to face (three quarters) the camera and pulls out a gun. I have no idea what kind of firearm this is but it looks really awesome.. and if anyone can identify it would be much appreciated!

==Jacked pictures==
The following are pictures taken from my website. The first one is edited, but it's still my picture. The first version still has my copyright notice on it, as does the second picture. [[Image:M1891.jpg]] and [[Image:M39.jpg]] Please remove all versions of both these pictures from the database. I'm not very familiar with wikis or I'd do it myself. --[[User:7.62x54r.net|7.62x54r.net]] 23:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

==English Scripts==
To unregistered users. use English script when writing on these pages. Most of us are American and don't run asian word scripts on our computers. Thus Asian letters are unreadable to us and look like gibberish. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Screencap Legality ==
How do you know whether uploading screencaps violates copyright or not?
: Pretty sure it is okay because no one has hunted us down to sue us, but anyway, as long as you don't claim it is your work and credit only yourself, you should be okay. -GM
:: One thing I would advise you to do is not upload screenshots from pirated copies of movies that haven't been released yet on DVD and Blu Ray. I imagine that if someone working for one of the studios saw that, they would be very upset. They'll know the shots came from a bootleg if the movie isn't out on DVD yet, and they might just throw the book at us. Avoid this at all costs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Merging articles ==

Is it possible to merge an article with a pre-existing article? Every time I try to do this with particular types of guns, I get an error message that says, "A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name." For instance, if I wanted to move the HK91 article under the H&K G3 article (since the HK91 is a G3 variant, I don't think it needs its own page), I can't do this.
::To merge an article, take the article, copy all the information and put it on the new page in the format you wish to make. You can also do this if you wish to change the name of a page. Take the page that you copied everything from and delete everything on that page. Write on that page this exactly(minus quotes):
"#REDIRECT (then use double [ ] brackets) and write the name of the page EXACTLY AS IT IS. Screw up the name and it'll redirect no where.
:Example
# "#Redirect [[[[M16 rifle series]]]]"
Note:How I made it look finished is what it should look like. Not what it looks like when in the editing of the page. Hope I helped. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This is probably rhetorical, but is this the same method of redirecting to a page, i.e. [[QBZ-95]] redirecting to [[Norinco QB rifle series]]? I noticed that a page for the QBZ-95 was deleted because there already was one (Norinco QB rifle series), but whenever you type in QBZ-95, there are absolutely no results for it, and that could be confusing for your everyday user..[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 22:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Let there be backups! ==
Ok, I've installed ruby on our dedicated server, signed up for Amazon's s3 storage service, and customized a ruby backup script to automatically backup the database and all image files at 4am pst and upload them to our s3 folder. The process really bogs down the box for a good 10 minutes, so I'm thinking once every 24 hours is fine, but I may go to once every 12 hours eventually... Thanks for putting up with the ups and downs during this time of transition.

Best,
Chris
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 05:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to our new server! This is the first of many steps I am taking to ensure we never lose data again. The site used to be hosted on shared hosting overseas - we now have a dedicated server housed in a co-location in San Jose, CA. Dedicated servers don't come cheap, but your time, effort, and contributions are now my number one priority.

I'm still transferring the images that have been uploaded over the last couple days, don't worry they're not lost!

==The McUzi==
It wasn’t until I read the ‘Raw Deal’ article on the “fake Uzi” that I realized Hollywood was dressing MAC-10s up as Uzis.

In ‘The Dog of War’ the mercenaries are supposed to be using Uzis. However some are using MAC-10s and some are using MACs dressed up as Uzis. The actors seem to change weapons randomly. For example, as the climactic battle begins Tom Berenger is using a real Uzi and Christopher Walken is using a silenced Uzi. However in the final minutes both are using McUzis. This is made painfully clear as Walken holds the gun to his face when reloading.

There are real MAC Uzi hybrids. These are civilian versions of the Uzi with a .45 barrel, bolt and a MAC-10 magazine well to accept the universal Grease Gun magazines.

The Hollywood guns are merely MACs with Uzi parts added on.

I would see to real reason to make a gun like this accept that the filmmakers wanted to use Uzis but ran out. Much like ‘Planet of the Apes’ when the studio ran out of ape costumes they simply used paper mask. If you look closely at the audience of Heston’s mock trial.

I captured some great stills to add to ‘The Dogs of War’ article.````

== moved from main page ==
We're on the new server and still working the bugs out - email me at cserrano@gmail.com if you're having any issues editing or logging in. The backup file is from early September 30, so most of yesterdays edits are missing - sorry GunMaster45 I'm working on it! [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC) ''GunMaster45 I've recovered the latest version of the [[Street Kings]] page - anything else we're missing?'' [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 21:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I had the R9 pistol which I had uploaed today but I redid it. Will the pictures remain fuzzy and pixelated or is that just temporary? (Hopefully) -GM

If you find something missing from the old server you can still access it here 66.79.167.132/~imfdb/index.php?title=Main_Page [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 20:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I had just uploaded some pics of the AR18 from Terminator and the Street Sweeper from Total Recall. Can you get them back, or should I upload them again? Also, MPM2008 uploaded some new gun pics, and I don't think he'll appreciate their loss.

== How do i "screencap" a movie? ==
How do i screencap a movie?: [[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 12:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, OK then. We all have our own methods of doing so. Personally, I play my DVDs using VLC Media Player, which has a Snapshot feature which lets you take screenshots when paused, and then it saves them automatically as JPEGs or PNGs to a designated folder of your choosing. However, that's ONLY when I'm screencapping movies I own on DVD. I also rent and download movies using iTunes which I might screencap for IMFDB pages, and I can't play those with VLC. In those cases, I just hit the "Print Screen" key, paste the image into MSPaint, and then crop away the iTunes browser so that only the movie image remains. Then I save them to my HD in a designated folder. Once I've acquired enough screenshots for a movie, I use "Upload file" to put them on IMFDB so that I can use them for pages I edit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::First and most importantly, you need a DVD drive in your computer to watch the movie. I watch mine on Windows WinDVD system, which has a built in "screencap" button by pressing P, which saves them all in WinDVD file. I take those files from the folder, which are all saved under BMPs and re-save them as JPGs using Corel Paintshop. If they are widescreen, I use crop to cut them out. I then upload them to the site and post them. Now that I've read MT2008's method for iTunes, I can screencap [[Shoot 'Em Up]] which wasn't compatable with my WinDVD system, but worked on my other DVD player which had no screencap button. Hooray! -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

And also you can use the program I use which is CyberLink PowerDVD which also has a built in Screenshot button. First the screenshots start out as BMPs, but then I use Irfan View to save them as JPGs to a different folder. And if they are widescreen, I use Windows Photo Gallery to crop off the black bars. You should also check out Gunmaster's and MT2008's methods because they might be better.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What about taking pictures on a digital camera and uploading them to your PC? Does anyone know if it works?[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thats a very myspace101 question but it's simple there's about 4 ways to do it but I've only done 2. (This demonstration is only done on Windows XP)

:::Option 1: If your camera has a memory slot like a (Compact Flash, Secure Digital, Mini SD, Micro SD, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard (MMC), SmartMedia, xD-Picture Card (xD), etc.) you could remove the card from the camera. Step 1: Once you removed the card from the camera if you have a compatible USB card reader you can plug the card reader into the computer and plug the card into the card reader. The most common great quality card reader brands are (Sandisk, Memorex, PNY, and Lexar) for approximately $20.00 at Wal-Mart.

:::Option 2: If your camera has a connection for a USB cable. Step 1: You can easily find and plug the USB adaptor into the camera and plug the other end of the plug into you computer.

:::The upload process is easy (tested on Windows XP) your computer bottom right task tray will show a "Found New Hardware" icon and be gone that means your camera is connected. Step 2: A pop up will show on how you want to view your images click on "view with Windows" if this pop up does not pop up you will have to manually follow step 3 if not skip on to step 4. Step 3: You may click "My Computer" or "My Documents" most likely on the desktop or start menu on your computer you will go to "My Computer" and find a folder that says a brand of your memory card or camera. Step: 4 Click on the folder and look through all folders and once you find it you may highlight the folder or the selected images on your computer mouse right click and press copy (or press Ctrl+C on your keyboard) and paste the images where ever you want in your computer.

== How do i screencap from a television? ==
Like if i wanted to screencap some video games? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 22:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you have an XBOX 360 go out and buy a Dazzle adaptor, Video Amplification Distributor, and a few assorted cables such as an HD Cable for it. This will allow you to record videos from your game,and use a simple program like Paint or Snipping Tool to get your screenshots out of it.
-CZAR-

:You probably need some high tech gizmo. Usually people who screencap TV use DVR and record TV on DVD, then upload them on the computer. I've never done it but it may work for VGs. -GM45

::Personally, I'd recommend maybe trying an emulator to play said game on your computer (assuming your PC is fast enough to handle the software and game). I've been thinking of redoing the ''[[Goldeneye 007]]'' page for a while using Project64 (which has a screencap feature), because I can play that game at high resolution even on my laptop.
:::I recommend softwares like Fraps (only for PC games). It can take images with a click of a button and you can choose what to save it as in the Pictures section. The disadvantage is that you can't record gameplay in computer games and you must pay about $99 (not sure, but around there and you can also pay little by little per month or week to use) it to do unlimited video capturing. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Call of Duty 4 pictures==
I've got good pictures of guns for Call of Duty 4, but i don't know how to upload them, anyone knows how to email me at r1c0ch37@gmail.com

:All you have to do is go to "Upload file" under the "Toolbox" section in the left-hand column. -MT2008

==Protection Log?==
Is something wrong with the site. Why are all the pics being fixed with "([edit=sysop:move=sysop])" for a protection log? I know little about that technical stuff, is someone removing the pics or are they just being protected from over-uploading crappy pics over? -GM

:They're being protected. Some asshole came in earlier today and kept trying to replace MoviePropMaster's pics with stock 'Net images, and kept doing it even after he was asked to stop. MPM's pics are our pride 'n joy...Alienqueen and I agreed not to let them get screwed with anymore. -MT2008

Yeah, that's reason why I did it. I just wish I had my ability to block users back, and then I wouldn't have had to set up protections. I told that guy not to upload over MPM2008's images and multiple times and he didn't listen.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

==Flannigan==
on the Snatch page- I know it already says that the .50 is a 357, but also another way of finding out is that .50s fire 7 rounds where as in the film Bullet tooth tony fires 8 in every mag. so it must be a 357.

Retrieved from "http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Snatch"

==Deleting old files==
As y'all can probably tell, I have been on a huge deleting spree recently. I've been getting rid of files that weren't being used for whatever reason or another. Some of them were gun images that have since been replaced by MoviePropMaster's images, others were old screencaps that have been replaced by newer ones (like all of my old ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' shots, which have since been replaced by GunMaster's), and some were those images of weird experimental guns uploaded by Cutaway that don't appear in any movie and thus have no purpose on this site.

I realize, of course, that this by itself won't relieve the strain on the servers; it's inevitable as this site grows. But it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. If anyone of the Admins are interested in helping out, please go to "Special Pages" and click on "Unused Files" (at the top). If you see something that might be worth keeping (i.e. Choi's screencaps from ''[[The Killer]]'' which haven't been put on the page yet), leave it alone, but if you see gun images that obviously have no use or screencaps that you know have been replaced...ditch 'em.

Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Good Work, MT2008. I'm sure it'll give us more server space, I'll be sure to delete some myself. One question, if we get rid of the old files, will this site load faster?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:Beats me, but I'd have to guess...not ''noticeably'' faster. It will at least give us more space for uploading newer files. However, IMFDB is constantly growing, so it's inevitable we'll reach our limits eventually. You'd have to ask Bunni when that will be. Anyway, I'm off to the pub now. I will be back later to continue. [[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Go right ahead, you deserve a break. I'll get rid of as many as I can, I'm also seeing alot of screenshots nobody bothered to use, it makes me wonder why people upload them if they're just going to sit there for a year and gather dust. And, I'm also going to screencap [[Four Brothers]] and [[Assault on Precinct 13 (2005)]] soon, so you can look forward to seeing them completed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Fictional Firearms==
I propose that we denote pages for 'fictional' firearms with parentheses "like Non Guns" so that they are in a different grouping than real guns. GM has made pages for the fantasy weapons of Hellboy II and that made me think about custom pages for the Morita Rifle (Starship troopers) or the M590 (Space:Above and Beyond) or the Blade Runner Pistol or any of the Star Wars guns (versus other types of Sci fi weapons, these should be guns). Even though THESE fictional guns are based on real guns, they can have their own pages with links to the original weapons page. Regardless, I think that guns that aren't real should be separated, lest they confuse users. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:I agree. I was kinda turned off when I saw the Aliens Resurrection page. None of those guns were based off of real firearms or even guns dressed up to look like futuristic guns.

::Well I get the point of making a post about fictional guns that were built around real guns like the Morita rifle and the Pulse Rifle of Aliens, but guns that were built from scratch like the Samaritian. Would it really need a page here or is that just for the fanboys who like the gun? It's like a page for the cars used in the Punisher movie or people who like to include knives, swords, and even bows & arrow in pages, including me. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The advantage is that the page can inform an interested user that the prop was NOT based on any real firearm, information that is just as important as informing 'what real firearm' was used in a prop weapon. What I don't like are obvious NON crafted weapons .... like [[Molotov cocktails]] ... wtf? That's an improvised weapon, like a sharp stick or a brick.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::What about bows & arrows, or crossbows? I put them in my pages cause when they are used, they an impression and deserve a mention evne though they aren't firearms. Also what about knives and swords? I've seen some of those as well, but I think the knife of Rambo should stay because...well, it's the knife of Rambo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== My gripe on Empty pages ==

I've been seeing a lot of new pages lately. The problem is that they are a blank! Nothing, not even a list of guns. What the fuck? I mean, a list of guns with no photos is ok, but just a fucking blank page? Do the people that do that expect someone else to do the work for them? They mind as well type down, "someone list the guns and put up pics for me cause I am lazy as fuck to even give a list." At least writing that down says something. Not just a blank.
:We all understand your pain Exy, we need a more efficient way to let the anonymous users know that if you make a page, you got to do the work. You gotta watch the language though, people will see it and think it is okay to do often. We all do it, but we don't want it done for no reason. Just ignore the empty pages, let them do the work eventually. If they don't, delete the pages. Half of them are movies I've never heard of anyway. Keep an eye out for [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]], I'll have them done this week. -GM
::What about that new member who create thirty or so new movie pages (some of which barely had one gun in them) and then never filled out any of those pages? I'm tempted to give people a little time, but for movies in which I question their relevance to this site, I'm also tempted to get rid of blank pages and let people create them when they're ready to populate them with information. MPM
:::Sorry for the foul launguage. I'm used to talking on forums where the F word is acceptable when you are pissed. Swears is culturally part of any language and sometimes it slips and I like to think we're all adults here that do use swears in real life when it is required. Anyway. Nice job on the [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]] pages. I've only done one movie that had ONE gun in it and it was [[The Forbidden Kingdom]] and even I did the work for it. I guess the anonymous users might also just be curious guys online and just hope we know what movie they are talking about, have it, and would take the time to tell them what guns are in it by doing the pages, but maybe on the main page, someone should put down rules of how to operate this site. I mean, I wanted to put a new qoute into the qoute section, but can't cause I don't know how to do it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

=="jacked" summaries"==
One thing that irks me is people 'cut and pasting' a plot summary completely from IMDB. This is not only against IMFDB rules, but if any mods from IMDB sees them, they can make an stink about it. I'm tempted to 'erase' any pirated summaries and put a note to the original writer ''"'''Write your own summary in your own words'''. It isn't too hard, even to re-arrange the sentences and replace some words to make it LOOK like you wrote it yourself. Just don't lift them word for word from another well known source. IMDB itself has a rule that you must write your own summaries and not lift them from other 3rd party sources. So does IMFDB.org. "'' Of course there are so many jacked firearm images here, this may be hypocritical. Which is why I'm working so hard to get IMFDB their own exclusive gun images. But it's one thing to upload an image of an impossible to get gun which no one has, versus taking the time to type a few sentences...
:I agree. I did the same thing with my [[Black Lagoon]] page when I got here, but I took it off mainly because I didn't see the need for a summary at the beginning of the page that is THAT long winded. People are here for the guns and if they want to know what the movie or show is about, they just look it up. I don't know, I stopped writing summaries for movies and shows long ago. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I think we don´t need summaries.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with those who think "we don't need no stinkin' summaries..." For those people who have NOT seen the movie a SHORT summaries are okay. I've put them on some of my pages, usually when I have something interesting to add. I do like them when someone puts a page for a movie so obscure that I have no idea what it's about (and I don't want to have to go hunting around the web to find out, capice?) I added summaries (and others did) for those REALLY OBSCURE East german B&W movies that are on the site. Who created those pages anyway? Like anyone's going to see Black and white German language communist era DDR movies .... oh well. I can always start creating pages for the cinema of 1930s Lithuania! hahahaha. But having no summary for SOME of the pages sucks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I found some summaries to stick out too much. Maybe a sentence or two to just give the jist, or a catch phrase like, but really I don't do summaries anymore. But I'll think about it for the anime ones simply cause some of them are harder to find or most people wouldn't have interests in them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Leaving your sign==
If you want people to know who you are when you write things on pages and discussion boards, put four ~ symbols after your message. Your user name and time/date are automatically shown. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:See?

:: What he said. ;)
::: I agree wholeheartedly ...
::::Yes. Just yes. --Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Should we have templates? ==

Like in Wikipedia?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It WOULD make this site a bit more...colorful than the standard white background, but if it's too much work, then it's up to whoever really runs this place.

:In all honesty, what this site needs most of all is cross-referencing of some kind, so that if somebody enters the name of a gun in one page, it shows up on another. It's a downfall of Wikis in general, and this one in particular. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Views==

Is there a way how I could check how many people viewed may page like on the home page the top 5 articles says how many people have viewed are page.
-[[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== How do i replace a image? ==

How do i replace a image?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Updating ==

Can someone please update or add pictures to these listed pages:

*3000 miles to Graceland

*Blue streak

*The Mask

*Snatch

:The Mask and Snatch are on my to-do list. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== music videos ==

should be included on the site...i want to know the guns used in protest the hero's video for blindfolds aside...if anyone knows, please share, or at least where i can find out

== main page movies ==

What exactly is the criteria for a film to be featured on the main page? I was thinking of submitting some (unless there are already enough as it is). - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Popular, critically aclaimed (but gun heavy I guess, something that wins 9 oscars but has three guns isn't a good idea), and it should have a decent amount of guns on it (like 15-20 seems about right).

== Too many screencaps!!! ==

I'm getting a bit frustrated w/the amount of screencaps we're loading up. Is there any way we can limit the number? The pages are becoming much too long & scrolling takes forever. I know Wikis are not democracies so a vote would be out of the question but can we all please stop indulging our screecap skills by putting ALL our favorite stills from these films up & just have about 2-3 images per firearm? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:At least for the front page I have to agree - the loading is taking way too long. I'm going to disable the featured page for a while and see how it goes. I can't afford to upgrade the server at the moment to handle the huge load. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Can this be done on individual pages too? Take a look at the page for Shoot 'em Up for instance, seems like everyone just had to throw their favorite frame in there. Also, the Quick & the Dead is pretty bad too... Also, would it be bad in etiquette to go into pages & start cutting out images that are repetitive or unnecessary? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 18:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Excuse the language but FUCK YOU. And if you start removing my screencaps I'll be sure to remove ''you'' from the site. (sorry about the outburst but it is very rude to blatantly bash my hard work and contributions to this site, and it pisses me off gravely) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::No one was bashing the hard work or contributions. Don't confuse legitimate criticism with a personal attack, and your response back was a personal attack and beneath you, especially the fine responses you usually write (and the fact that you're a MOD now). I hope you eventually understand that I also mean no disrespect as well. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GM's comment aside I'm all for detailed screencaps. Heck I'm going to be trying to collect a bunch for myself. Unfortunantly the interesting films I have are VHS. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:He's got a point though. I dont want to be rude, but when every single time the certain gun is shown, it doesnt really need a picture. 5 tops is ok. GM, you are very nortorious for 13-14 pictures of the same gun. i can understand showing cycling misfeeds/changes in guns, but on the Punisher page, you dont really need that many pictures of Castle shooting Spoon and Dante. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::You shouldn't have to apologize. The members who seem to LOVE tons of screencaps take it personally, like you're attacking THEM, not the decision to display endless screenshots of guns. I think when they think about it, they may realize that no one is trying to be insulting. When I screencap, I edit the pictures. Sure I might have 14 shots, but I choose the best couple and cull the rest. I don't feel compelled to force everyone to look at every since solitary screenshot, just because I took the time to do them. Just like a writer or artist, you must have the maturity to cut out what is excess, even though at the time it sucks to cut out stuff you like. Looks like some of the new (i.e. young also) members are trying to outdo the record for ridiculous screencaps. [[We Were Soldiers]] is now a page that I no longer like to look at, now that I have to scroll down for ten minutes to see the next section. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== how do i screencap ==

i have many films, games exc that i want to screencap. please can someone tell me how to?
:You need a DVD-rom drive on your computer. Play the movie on a DVD player with a screencapture function. The images will be saved to a folder. Cut off any widescreen or full screen bars and convert the image to a JPG so it can be placed here. You'll need a photo editor such as Corel Photoshop or even Paintshop. Then go to the Upload file section and upload them on the site. Copy the picture's linkage (will say something like "Image:name.jpg") then put the image in double brackets [[]] and paste the linkage. now you'd take this image and write it like this:

(double bracket)Image:name.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comment.(double bracket)

Look at some other pages to see this in use. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

You can actually screencap with any Windows computer, very easily. Just use the Print Screen button and paste it into whatever program you want; you can then crop out the interface and whatnot. You can also use Print Screen + Alt so that you only get what's inside the window instead of everything (I think PrtScn + Alt is what you want.

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

==Should this picture be on the M16 Page?==
hahahaha. The CHAMPION of customization in the history of firearms! .....
[[Image:74ea0f45a31c.gif]]

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:Oh hell yea! that looks awesome! [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Looks like that GIF took a lot of work to make... Awesome though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::That would be perfect for the M16 page, so definitely yes!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well where on the page should this be on? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:Interesting enough I don't see this thing transform into an M16A1 or A2
::M16A1 is dead and gone. the a2 series is the new and improved. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Slow it down a touch and it's perfect! And to satisfy those who are sticklers about accuracy: split the animation into "A1" and "A2" animations (one for each M16 variant).
EDIT: Isn't there a silencer for it? Counter-Strike says so...
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

How awesome is that AR-15 builder, just love doing it for the hell of it.

== Grammar/Spelling ==
-
- Hello gentlemen. First off I just want to start of by telling you guys how much I enjoy this site. Anyhow, I come visiting from IMCDb (Internet Movie Car Database). I'm an administrator over there and given my interest in weapons and the similarity between the two sites, I've taken an interest in visiting your site. However, I've noticed a problem that I wanted to bring up to your guys' attention. Often times there are grammar and spelling mistakes and I think that it is something that you guys can improve upon a bit more. I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing or I'm calling anybody stupid or anything, but it's things like that that could make the site look cleaner and more appealing. And yes, I do understand that english may not be the first language for some of the posters here. My point is that I'm just giving some friendly advice from who I'd like to think of as someone from a "sister" site. Thanks gents...keep up the great work.

:: We have tons of contributors who aren't even old enough to shave yet. Does that tell you anything? GM45 once described it as a small group of Mods/ Super users fighting against the cresting tide of the ocean, or something to that effect. :) An apt metaphor. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi, I am a fan of IMCDB myself (it was where I learned all about how M1 Abrams tanks in Hollywood are mocked-up Centurions). I do appreciate your concerns about grammar/spelling and agree with you that it needs to be addressed. However, being that (unlike IMCDB) we are a Wiki open for all to edit, it's somewhat inevitable that this will be an issue. I appreciate the fact that this is less of an issue with IMCDB due to the format of the site, and at times, I wish we could integrate elements of IMCDB into this site to standardize things a bit (I still get annoyed when I see people who call a Beretta 92F a "Berretta M92F" even though it says at the top of the page that this is not the correct spelling). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::Fellas, I greatly appreciate the response. I understand the situation with your site and we ourselves deal with some of the same issues, as far as having younger members whose grammar and knowledge isn't exactly ideal. But thanks a lot for the response. And as I said earlier, keep up the good work.

:::::Thanks. We also have foreign contributors who don't have that great of a grasp of English. We also have guys who just don't know how to spell. One of my buddies who is a combat vet, former 82nd Airborne, types like a two year old on his computer. I jokingly say that I have to create a special filter for Babelfish to decypher what he is typing! LOL. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===Our own movie===
I was thinkin'. We've got a lot of people on this site, a lot of them are very talented, we could probably make our own movie someday. I know a good script writer with an idea already mostly-formed, maybe imfdb should have a meet up and make a movie. We could probably all pool our resources and make an awesome one. Just a whimsical fantasy...-protoAuthor
:A movie based on a website? What the fuck? That won't work. I am sorry but, that just won't work.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, I mean we all pitch together and make an action movie. Not based on the website, but the website has the people and resources. As in, a community effort. -protoAuthor
:::That would be cool if only the movie we make is a cheesy action movie in the same vein as Commando, then we can do it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::hahahahaha, uh no. :) Some of us actually work in the movie industry and it's not easy to make a movie, even a crappy backyard effort one with a video camera bought from Walmart. You're right, it's a whimsical fantasy, but you need a TON of talented people who know what they are doing in ALL of the positions of a film production. Not just armorers but you need everyone, a good script, good actors, a good director, a good producer (which amazingly is really hard since the producer is supposed to be a manager, NOT someone who micro manages the work by everyone else), a good crew, skilled camera operators, good cameras, pro lighting gear and a good DP or cinematographer. Oh did I mention TONS of $$ (you could spend a fortune just feeding the crew and paying for insurance and permits - salaries not withstanding). Wait, you also need office staff, pre production staff and post production staff and facilities (digital capture, color correcting, editing, sound engineering and editing) and then where are you going to sell it? You need marketing, posters, ads, trailers, a website, the list goes on and on. No I'm not making fun of your comment. It was funny and just that, fantasizing, but I know you are just throwing this bit out there and are not serious. Because it's akin to someone saying "hey let's stage our own high orbit launch of a satellite, all we need is ....." :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm currently working on an amatuer backyard crap job now, and it is actually turning out quite well. We don't have tons of money but we can fund things like fake blood, spare t-shirts (to cover in fake blood), and blanks. As for lighting, so far everything has been working well for us. We actually have enough filmed now that I'm confident this will be a good movie. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Help with VLC ==
I need help with my VLC Media Program. When i screencap movies the program screencaps like normal, but when i upload my images to IMFDB the images stay like this:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-252103Mk2.jpg|thumb|none|512px|Charlie Sheen in [[Platoon]]. <s>The Problem here is that even when the screencap is in 1200x configuration, the screencap is still away too small.</s> Fixed!]]
:Can Anyone help me with this?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:I don't have that problem, but I'm checking out the settings to see what might cause it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

::I imagine you've got this sorted by now, but it's because you missed the letter "p." It's "px" as in "pixel," not "x" as in "times." And that still won't make it larger than the image itself is. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Discussions on Articles==

I love this site, I have wasted many hours just browsing the wonderful collection of articles. My only qualm is some users feel that the article pages are also discussion pages to argue the validity of someone's addition. There is nothing that irks me more that when i am reading about a movie and then it becomes some kind of forum. I think this should be regulated to make the site more professional.

:We try to regulate it and throw those discussions on the discussion pages of articles but there are still some users that discuss on the articles.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, that has been a thorn in my side too. Nothing worse than to go to the trouble of creating a thorough, tidy-looking article only for people to clutter it up with chatter and arguements that should be saved for the article's talk page. that 'discussion' tab is up there for a reason, people! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I couldn't agree more, it turns me off when I'm going through a neat looking page, and then come across a bunch of comments and arguments. If we could just get into the habit of using the talk page for these arguments, then we'll be more obligated to use them more often.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== This video ==

Have any of you lazy sons-of-bitches seen this video:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg]

It's fucking awesome let me tell you. And no, i'm not spamming links just watch the video. It's about us!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's been out for a while now; take a look at some of those old gun pics on there, like the long since replaced M16A1/M203 with the 20-round mag. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I know but i never seen it. It's really funny.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately some our members are a bit too thin skinned. This guy wasn't being insulting. He was intentionally obnoxious trying to be a 'showman'. Some guys "telling him to fuck off" in the comments makes us look a bit immature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== How? ==
how do i create my own page to say what my favourite weapons and movies are and what contributions i have made? please can someone tell me.
:You have to register first and, contribute to this site. Bye!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
i'd hate to sound like an idiot but i've just done that (register and contribute) now what do i do?
:On the upper right corner of your screen there is an panel with thing about your username. Press the one with your name on it and write on it. Also, when editing, there will be an link with "Editing Help". Click it and read it. Now you know how to edit. Yay! Also, put four ~ after any of your messages. That way, you will sign you messages and people will know who you are.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Movie Article Request "Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow" ==

There are many guns, but I request this mostly for a big mistake in it. When Sky Captain is running on a log with a Colt 1911 (silver) in hand and drops it, the computer rendering shows a revolver of some sort. It is probably the same as the one in the scene where Sky Captain is at his desk and the reporter comes in, and he stops her at gunpoint.

Sorry if I was vague, but my memory's a little fuzzy.
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:I actually own that film and I ''could'' screencap it ,but I effing hate that movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

:Is it really that bad? It looked like it sucked, but I wasn't sure-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

::It's just really corny. It tries to capture the feel of movies made in the 20's or whenever the hell the movie's suppose to take place, but it is just super, super, super, corny. If it was intentionally corny, it would be funny. But it's not and that's what makes it bad. The only redeeming part is that Angelina Jolie is in it. Unfortunately, she's always in a uniform and has a patch over one eye, so it's not really worth it in the end. The dues ex Machina near the end doesn't help, or the fact that the female lead is the type of person that would push a button for no other reason then it says "DO NOT PUSH". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== How do I ==

get pictures on a page? not screencaps but an actor holding a gun in a movie?

You know I've been trying to figure that one out myself for my users page and can't seem to upload pictures of my favourite guns or actors/actresses. Help will be greatly appreciated--[[User:Mikey|Mikey]] 16:41, 11 March 2011 (MSK)

== Fixed Width 1000px ==

I'm working on making the front page a fixed width design... let me play with the ads and featured articles for a couple days. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 22:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:Created a new template for featured articles, you can play with it at [[Template:FeaturedArticle]]. I've currently only added 3:10 to Yuma and Live Free or Die Hard - feel free to add more. [[User:Bunni|bunni]]

==Random screencap==
Is there any chance of bringing this feature back? I liked looking at the different screenshots. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 11 Oct 2009
::Do you prefer having the site crash more often than not, for this little inconvenience?

== I need help with a Link problem ==

I started a State of Grace page, which shows up when entered in the search box, but when I went to add the info from the movie to the actors pages the link back to State of Grace is said to be deleted. Like when I went to the Sean Penn page and entered what pistol he used and entered State of Grace, when I click on State of Grace it brings to a page that says:

'''Warning: You are recreating a page that was previously deleted.'''

You should consider whether it is appropriate to continue editing this page. The deletion log for this page is provided here for convenience:
• 18:32, 15 April 2009 Gunmaster45 (Talk | contribs) deleted ''"State of Grace" ‎ (content before blanking was: 'This excellent movie starred Sean Penn, Ed Harris, and Gary Oldman. Penn, an undercover cop infiltrating the Irish mob in NYC carried a Smith 6906 in .9mm with a Ruger SP101 backup gun. Gary Oldman, a thug, carried ...')''

Does this mean I need to copy and paste all the work I did into that deleted page? Searching for the movie from the search box will bring you to the page I created from scratch, but the link from the actors pages brings you to that notice of an old deleted page. Can anyone help? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 03:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

There was a small difference in titles between the link and the page you created. The link was State of Grace and the title of your page was State Of Grace, so that's why it didn't link. I made a redirect on the previously deleted page so it should work now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Movies Page ==

I don't know if anyone has noticed but in the movies page King Kong (1933) is listed under B and there's no entry for it under K. Reason I'm saying this is because I guess only admins can edit category pages? because nothing pops up when I click edit.-[[User:Shooter2|Shooter2]]

::I fixed it. Someone put B&W in the same Category line as "movie". YOu put the categories in separate lines. WHen you put B&W in the same line, it thinks that you want the movie categorized in the "B" category [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

== Do a page on Pavement ==

Can someone please do a page on a movie called Pavement that stars Robert Patrick and Lauren Holly filmed in 2002. I was interested the weapons SWAT used and was pretty sure at one point even though she hadn't fired her weapon while clearing a house the top slide of her sidearm was locked back. I'd do it myself but I don't know where to find this movie as I saw it on TV one night and haven't done it before so wouldn't know how to make a page. Cheers
:Pavement was filmed in South Africa, even though the story is set in San Francisco. Funny how San Francisco, suddenly looks like the scenes from District 9? Lauren Holly used a Vektor CP1 pistol, and yes, she pops out and her slide is open, but it looks like she fired and the editor removed the sequence of her firing, wanting instead for the crazy dude to force her to withdraw by firing his shotgun first. It was an editorial decision that screwed up what was already filmed. The SWAT team used South African R4s, Vektor CR21s, some dummy SIG 550s and one M16A1(probably a replica). The weapons are what one expects from a South African production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Actor's Pages ==

I see that a lot of the actor pages are being converted to the "table" format, but I don't know if it's clear what should be in the first category. Should the guns be placed first before what movie the actor used them in? I would prefer it this way, because it's easier to read that way. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::You're right in pointing this out. I see NEW MEMBERS are changing the order in the tables on the ACTOR pages. Traditionally it's been WEAPON, then CHARACTER, then MOVIE TITLE, then notes. That format was chosen because it flows like a 'sentence'. I.e. John Doe has used the following ...... a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Krusty A. Clown in ''Attack of the Killer Cartoons'' (note), (year). WE should formalize a format and then institute it in the rules. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request ==

can someone do Wrongfully Accused with Leslie Nielsen. the reason I ask is because there is a strange LMG version of an M134 in it, and i would like to know what the hell it is, and if it is real.

== A question ==

So, this wiki has articles about video games, anime and animated films which are either 3d representations or drawings of guns. So why are stop-motion films, and other animation of this kind not allowed here? Why are they an exception?
::That answer is in the rules. The representations of guns are crude and not appropriate to waste IMFDB resources on. We haven't even covered the majority of our CORE genres (Films, Television shows, Anime & VG). And many of our pages are very incomplete or lame. So we tend to discourage new members from trying to introduce even MORE genres for us to cover. That and in those genres the guns are too crude to be listed as anything in particular. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Question: Live fire in movies ==

Hi, first of all, please excuse my English, I am not a native speaker. Secondly, please excuse I aks my question here although I know it is not the proper place for this, but I found no forum in this wiki. So here is my question:

When filming the German movie ''Spione'' (''Spys'', but there never was an English version) in 1928, there was live gun firing because they could not simulate it with special effects (1928), and the gun in the scene in question was fired in the direction of one of the actors. Strangely enough this caused a furor only because filming the scene was repeated several times by the director, who was was the lover of the actress in the scene, but it seems there was no talking about the live firing of a gun in a movie ''per se'' at all. So was using live fire in movies normal in a time they could not use special effects? Are there more films in which they used live fire instead of special effects? Thanks, Gustav

==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imfdb IMFBD Wikipeda Page]==
It's been put up for speedy deletion. Could better writers than me go explain why it shouldn't? -[[User:JonathanDP|JonathanDP]] 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not sure I could myself. I mean, a Wikipedia article about another Wiki? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Too late, it's already gone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Dude, there're many wikipedia articles on other wikis. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis Don't believe me?]--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 23:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I was actually the one who wrote that article (Rockmandrum on Wikipedia). I wrote that article because there are also different databases such as the IMCFD (Internet Adult Film Database) and I thought IMFDB should go there as it's a database, but my article got tagged for the lack of sources though there are some sources out there. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Quotes question...==

I dunno who is in charge of the featured quotes section, but I'd like to know. Can we, the registered users, propose new ideas of featured quotes? 'Cause I got a few, and I'm sure other guys have 'em too. [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:45 March 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Quote suggestions ==

You might want to make your suggestions in the discussion section of the [[Template:Quote]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Page that can't be edited==

Seems that the [[Ga-rei: Zero]] page can't be edited. There a problem with this or should it be just deleted instead to start all over? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

==Just Cause 2==
Hey guys. I know the first Just Cause had no realistic weapons, but that changes with JC2. So far even from the demo I've made out a Desert Eagle, M4-type rifle, MP5/UMP cross, and an M136 AT4. If anyone could screencap the game, I'd gladly do descriptions and the rest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

==Hi there==
New member here. Just wanted to drop a line. awesome site! Some pics I recognize off the net. Just a question. where do you get the great gun pictures from? I used to use Security arms and Guns of the world for reference but you guys have some of the best pics I've seen, including some that I have never seen anywhere else. If you license from some stock photo site, please let me know. I would be interested in getting access to their image library! :) Kyle

-For the most part pictures that are used are from MoviePropMaster2008, he is IMFDB's armorer, he has a lot of the pics of weapons on white backgrounds that you see. Many from movies they helped with. However, he doesn't have all of them. Just check for the picture you are looking before uploading any of your own. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 16:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Director's Pages ==

If I've seen a page on the site like Hurt Locker or Face/Off or even Heat, I might like to know what other films the director has done, so I think the pages are helpful in that respect. Judging by the amount of pages we have for actors who have maybe used or carried a gun once, compared to how many directors pages we have, I don't think you're saving that much on space. Also, if you're looking to make this site a really good reference site, omitting these pages just doesn't make sense. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

- Well, next thing you know, we'll include pages/categories for Producers, Production designers, etc. There's only so much this place needs to put on here. There's already an 'Internet Movie DataBase' that has all that other stuff. Like MPM said on another page - Putting a bunch of emphasis on what directors/actors/etc did what takes away from the primary focus of the site, which is to display and discuss the firearms and info directly relating to them. The actors are only here because they're the ones actually seen in movies handling the firearms, but anything other than that I feel would just be too much. If you want to find out about Directors and the like, again, there's IMDB as well as other sites on the internet for that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Franchise pages ==

Like director pages, can we make pages for particular game franchises, like all of the Call of Duty games or all the Medal of Honor games? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

- You mean like list pages, like we have for movie franchises, film genres and such? If so, that would be fine, would make reference/look-up of a particular title in a series easier. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:No, unless the franchises have tons of titles that are completely different. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out all of the games titled "Call of Duty" or Medal of Honor" belong to a certain series of games. And I have not seen a surge of titles that OMIT the franchise identifiers like a new title that is officially a part of the Call of Duty series that doesn't have 'Call of Duty' in the title. Unless that happens, the franchise identifiers are NOT NECESSARY and add to the overall clutter that IMFDB is trying to avoid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I was just talking about the really big franchises, and I guess it'd only apply to the CoD and MoH series. There are a DOZEN games in each series, several of which I've never even heard of. Users here are obviously fans, given how detailed the pages are and the length of the discussion pages. Maybe a chronological listing? Or a glorified disambiguation page? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There should be a ''see also'' addition to the pages, however, a glorified disambiguation page is not a bad idea. But the pages STILL need a 'see also' section at the bottom of the page that is complete. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. [[Heat]] , [[Ronin]] , [[McQ]], [[Public Enemies]] , [[Reign of Fire]] and so forth. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. Just wanted to get that out there so nobody sends me hate mail. I'm not messing with anybody's hard work. Just helping to organize. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

- I took a gander at those pages, I actually like the grouped-together firearms, again, makes reference on the contents of a page easier. Especially if a page has a lot of guns that can be grouped under said categories like those pages.

Although some people like doing the pages by chronological appearance of the firearms (T2, as well as my own page, [[Nothing But Trouble]], for instance) but those pages either don't have a lot of guns or are very diverse.

But in pages where there are a lot of guns that can be grouped under some general types (Pistols, SMGs, Shotguns, Assault Rifles, etc) I think it helps. I've certainly seen some pages re-organized as such and it helped. I won't say it's the thing to do for ALL pages, but many would benefit from it. Just my thoughts. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm doing it to the pages that I created and a few pages with many many firearms like [[Heat]]. But I want to do it slowly. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Made for TV movies ==

What's the ruling on made for TV movies? I've seen them go either ways on this site. Dirty Dozen: the Next Mission is listed as a movie, while Lost Battalion is listed as TV, despite both being made for TV movies. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''What are you talking about? The Lost Battalion is not listed that way'''. For the record, made for TV Movies (or as called in Hollywood MOW for "Movie of the Week" as the major networks used to do, are listed as movies. They are not episodic series or Mini-series. If the entire thing is shown in a single showing then it's a movie. These made for TV movies are sometimes theatrically released overseas, and many of them are released on video/DVD as movies. Anyway that's the rule and I still don't see any violation of that rule. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I was referring to the weapons pages that link to it. For example, the M1917 pistol and rifle pages both have Lost Battalion under Television, while the M1911 and Chauchat entries have it under Film. And others not at all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well that's an error on those gun pages. If you see errors like that, which I am sure there are plenty of on IMFDB, please fix them when you see them. There is a LOT of breaks in cross indexing. I've long berated members for creating pages and NOT cross indexing them to actors and gun pages. And with new members creating new pages every other hour or so, the problem is just going to get bigger. All IMFDB members should try to fix cross indexing errors when they see them. Heck, there are pages I've made that I forgot to cross index some of the weapons entries on. But we must be vigilant and try to keep IMFDB accurate and up to date as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Last Hunt ==

Hi it's been a while since I've seen this but I remember Robert Taylor using a massive Winchester rifle. I was wondering if this was a Model 1886 since he was hunting buffalo with it and it used a .45-90 bullet.

I've seen a Model '86 Winchester rifle in the Monte Walsh remake and in a recent episode of Pawn Stars and they didn't really look as big as Robert Taylor's. I was just wondering if anyone knew if it was an '86 or maybe something else.

==Gun-releated quotes on actor/actress page==
I thought of an idea while looking at the quotes section: how about some quotes said by an actor/actress can go on their page? For example, Al Pacino's quote, "Say hello to my little friend," from [[Scarface]] can also go on his page, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen Used movie firearms ==

I have recently been searching the website for weapons which were pictures of actual movie firearms, example being weapons in Quentin Tarantino films.
if anyone could list some films for me that would be great. These are some of the ones i have already found:

*[[Scarface]]
*[[Pulp Fiction]]
*[[Reservoir Dogs]]
*[[True Romance]]
*[[Jackie Brown]]
*[[Lethal Weapon]] series
*[[Die Hard]] series
*[[Predator]]
*[[The Untouchables]]
*[[Austin Powers in Goldmember]]
*[[The Spirit]]
*[[Lord of War]]
*[[Beverly Hills Cop]]
*[[We Were Soldiers]]
*[[Tightrope]]
*[[The Enforcer]]
*[[The Dead Pool]]
*[[Dirty Harry]] - no S&W 29 unfortunately
*[[The Quick and the Dead]]
*[[Man on Fire]]
*[[Miami Vice - Season 3]]
*[[The Getaway (1972)]]
*[[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]]
*[[The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean]]
*[[Machete]]
*[[Fair Game]]
*[[Ghosts of Mars]]
*[[Wild Wild West]]
*[[S.W.A.T. (2003)]]
*[[Collateral]]
*[[Hidalgo]]
*[[Appaloosa]]
That's all I could think of, for now, also many have the pics on the site may not say they were used in a certain film, but a lot of them are movie guns.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:::(a) Thank you. :) You're actually just chronicling my work for the site. 90% of the screen used photos I shot exclusively for IMFDB and I kinda wondered myself just how many titles I've covered. (b) it's sad but true that many OTHER gun pics are of guns that I'm certain have appeared in stuff, but unless record have been checked and verified, it can't be said with any sort of certainty. So we have TONS more movie used weapons than not in photographs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

:We also have several guns from ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. At some point, I think we need to make a page with all of the screen-used movie guns that MoviePropmaster has photographed for us. And then I also need to make a page with the gun pictures that my contact at ISS sent me. There are a lot of them on this site. Of course, there are also some that we've taken from other sites (like YourProps and PropStore), but I'd probably just put the gun pictures that are IMFDB exclusives. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
::That seems like a good idea MT.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Book of Eli, The]] has that kind of stuff on its page and [[The Unit]] as well, if you want to be hardcore about it. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== Missing firearm (The Peacemaker) ==
Just got done watching this movie & there is a scene between the Russian General & one of the bad guys in the back of the truck (about 1 hour 15 minutes in) & I'm sure the gun that the General threatens him with is a Steyr GB pistol, he also uses it to shoot at the approaching helicopters, could someone else confirm this & update the page?

== Empty firearm ==
In some films you see that when a gun is fired, the chamber clicks empty but the slide doesn't lock back and I was just curious as to how they manage to do that?
:If it's showcased in a film, then it was intentional. Many directors who are unfamiliar with guns will use that action to indicate that a gun is empty.
:'''''Scene:''' Bad guy points pistol at face of good guy. It is a Beretta 92FS. He pulls the trigger dramatically. "click" nothing happens. Bad guy has panicked look on his face. "Click" "Click"! as he continues to pull the trigger. "Aha!" yells the hero as he swats away the empty gun and punches the bad guy in the face.'' DOH!
:It's done via editing. I seriously doubt most directors would end a gunfight with the phenomenon of a dud round (though dud rounds have appeared in the storylines of some shows). Or a bad primer. Or a worn or damaged magazine which does not engaged the slide lock. Or a worn or damaged slide. But seriously, anyone who fires a gun can pretty much tell when it's empty and devoid of rounds, unless it's not their gun and they're completely unfamiliar with it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Bad magazines...its not the desired option on semi-autos.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== glock variants ==
i just wondered, is a Glock 19 the same as a Glock 23 with the exeption of the caliber?

Yes

==Main Page error==
Has anyone ever gotten this error before? This happened to me many times. During this error, I cannot go to any pages unless there are links on a page and I'm logged out and I can't log in. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Mainpageerror.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

: I have had this happen to me, too. I am running up to date Firefox. It´s a rather odd error, really. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've encountered it as well. I usually run IE as my browser, and it sometimes carries on when I go through Google Chrome too. Tends to be accompanied with a fair amount of lag as well when it occurs. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:I've never had this error before, but I only update or run programs if I have to. It's running on bare bones only. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 20:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

- I had this error as well Friday evening (running FireFox), but as we had a badass lightning storm that probably played havoc with the signal, that ain't too surprising (Lag/connection issue, like Orca alluded to). But I can't speak for you other guys, though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Page Format Change? ==

I recently noticed that the page justification seems to be locked down, making actor pages with the table format seem particularly squashed if there's a lot of information. Is there a reason for this? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's an example:
[[Image:Actor Page Format.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Before, the page would stretch down to fill out the entire screen, but now it seems to stop in the middle.

:- I also have that same issue, though my screen hasn't lost that much, in which case I'd say it's locked at a particular resolution (1024 I'd have to figure, based upon my own display res). Not to mention it's also present here on this talk page and other pages as well. I too wonder what that's all about. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 13:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Might be for the upcoming ad test on IMFDB. will have to wait and see. If that is the case the we will have to change the layout on the pages to something more standard.--[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 16:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
==best guns for an assassin==
what would be the best guns for an assassin????
:That would depend on the situation he's in. Is the the assassin shooting from a distance? Sniper rifle then. In a place where there are other people around that could hear a gunshot. Suppressed small caliber handgun. You should also remember there is a million and one ways to kill someone. A gun is just one of tools to use.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Choice guns for an assassin:

-H&K USP
-H&K Mk. 23
-Any Glock models
-Agent 47's AMT Hardballers
-Walther P99
-Walther PP or PPK
-FN FNP-45 or FNP-49
-FN Five-Seven
-Colt M1911
-Para-Ordinance P14-45 or P18.9
-Kimber Warrior
-Colt M1911 or Variants
-Beretta 92, 81, or 84
-Browning Hi-Powered
-Ruger Mk. II (Best Bet)
-Browning BDA
-Luger Or High-Standard if your old-school
-Makarov
-SIG P220, P226, P228, P229
-Steyr M9 or GB
-These are some of my personal choices, feel free to comment.
I understand that, but I was looking for something more precise, like in "Assassins" they make a big deal about using those Ruger .22, but in "Collateral" the hitman uses a H&K .45 (well, he also use a Ruger .22), in "The Replacement Killer" the killer is into Berettas 92f, but what would be the perfect gun for a profesional, smart and effective assassin??????

It's hard to say if their is a "perfect" assassin's weapon because people will always have opinions, but the Ruger Mk. 2 is definitely a Top 5, look up a video of a supressed Mk. 2 and you'll see what I mean. I would have to say that either a .380 or .32 pistol for stealth but .45 or 9mm for power. [[Czar]]

:In films like you mention, it's going to depend on what the writer or director chose to use. (Whether it was the ideal choice is another matter.) In Collateral he uses the H&K for the most part because noise isn't an issue and the .45 is a good round. He uses Ruger .22 only when in a restaurant. In the nightclub there's lots of people around, but he could get out with the crowd. The target also had several bodyguards. In the Replacement Killers the 92F was most likely chosen because Chow Yun-Fat used them in his prior films and knew how to handle them. There is no one gun that is the "perfect gun for a professional, smart and effective assassin." Since you're talking handgun distances there's too many good guns to choose from. Go with whatever you feel like in your story (I guess and hope that's the reason why you asked). If I had to choose I'd go with the 1911. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Agent 47 all the way, AMT Hardballers with optional longslide and supressor. More seriously, I guess a pistol like a Hi-Power or a Beretta 92 with a supressor would be good for closer range killings. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank ypu guys, Predator, I'm a scriptwritter, I don't own a gun and I don't want to kill anyone, so don't worry. I just like good assassins in movies, what about a H6K p7m8?????, It's such a compact gun for a 9mm, I always thought it was kind like a tactic gun, isn't it????? why Swat teams are into Kimbers?????
:Do you not speak English or are you just a kid? You grammar is terrible and with some many question marks at the end of your sentence, you must be a 12 year old or someone under 15. Also, it's very simple why SWAT like Kimbers, they like 1911s in general for its reliability. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, English is not my first language, so I'm sorry that my grammar is so terrible, but I'm glad that the people here know what I mean, and BTW I'm 30 years old, not 12 or 15....

You can't errase the serial number of a Glock, so that make it a bad choice for an assasin, what do you people think????

Still thinking in the perfect gun for an profesional assassin (don't worry, I'm a scriptwriter, I don't own a gun and never shotted anything). Now I'm thinking that a 9mm compact is a good option, but it have to be alloy, steel or metal frame, not polymer, so you can errase the serial numbers, high mag capacity and it have to be in production. What would you recomend? I will love it to be a H&K P7M13, that is the perfect gun, a beauty, but is not currently under production and it will impossible to get a "clean" one. (Lenny)

== Listverse.com ==
Here's a cool little list I found on The List Universe.com about the 10 greatest firearms in history.

http://listverse.com/2009/10/07/top-10-greatest-firearms-in-history/

not such a good list IMO. Where is the Sturmgewher 44? Basically started the assault rifle revolution? The Winchester M1873 (they didn't call it the gun that won the west for nothing) sure the Henry was first, but the Winchester set the standard. [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 06:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

well, they can only fit ten in. [[User:jackbel]]

heres another one I found on that site: 10 greatest firearm designers.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 02:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

http://listverse.com/2010/05/23/top-10-greatest-firearms-designers/

== This is ridiculous...==
anybody else think that the amount of pages slated for deletion is absolutely absurd and unneccesary?

We're cleaning out the pages that are either not good enough or not supposed to be on the wiki. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I am only restoring some of the pages that look like there was some work put into them. These can still be deleted, but I just want make sure that's what the consensus is. This is probably going to be discussed in the forum. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

: I made a note about the 'Documentary' matter in the discussion for the [[Mail Call]] page earlier. In any case, I'm sure the admins will let us know what will happen about all that in due course. Other than that, almost all the other pages slated for deletion are piss-poor pages that should indeed be in the Delete category. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Reviewguy/girl ==
So, did the search pay off? Do we have our own movie reviewer? What's the deal anyways? Just curious :)--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:- I almost forgot about that.. Well, indeed, what of it? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Are we gonna get a section for film reviews? If so, are the reviews gonna be the "normal" kind (what we see in the papers, tv, etc.) or are the reviews gonna emphasize gun use/usage in films?

== A Question ==
How do I submit a quote from a movie so it will appear on the Featured quotes section? [[User:jackbel]]

: Go [[Template:Quote|here]] and simply edit it in according to the template. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

well, how do you submit screencaps to the featured movies section? [[User:jackbel]]

: [[Template:FeaturedArticle|Click]]. Add it according to the template. If you are unsure of how it will look, try it out on the discussion page first. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Most Popular Gun? ==

I can't believe this hasn't been asked. So, Lets hear your views.

:- The top most viewed gun page on the site is the [[M1911 pistol series]] ‎(526,596 views), followed by the [[M16 rifle series]] ‎(420,778 views). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I actually meant popular by appearances. I've found out though [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:MostImages here] that it's the Beretta 92FS. Strange how the Annihilator 2000 is 2nd though?!

:That's because it is the icon that appears in the banner at the top of a page that is incomplete.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 11:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

:: Indeed, by the 'Linked most' attribute, the Annihilator image stat is misleading - Exclude the pages with the Incomplete template and it is certainly NOT the second most used gun image. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== An urgent notice ==

If you see something that is wrong, PLEASE don't just say so, CHANGE it yourself.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Uh, I'm afraid that statement is a bit ambiguous and potentially misleading. We all have our own opinion on what we see is 'wrong' on a page, and based on my own personal experience, you ''don't'' make changes based solely on that. I believe what Jackbel means is that if you see something that you are ''certain'' is wrong/incorrect on a page, especially spoilers, spelling/format errors, obviously false information, or anything of that particular sort, then it's probably ok to change that. ''Otherwise'', it is probably better to make a note in the proper discussion page about it, especially if you're not absolutely certain, as the RS&P states. Not to barge in, but I just think that needed a bit of flushing out. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, no need to get so hasty --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 20:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I really wasn't trying to snob you man, but from what I gather, it's usually better for users to make notes and ask first about any serious or notable edits as many of the other members/admins find that less annoying than reverting bad edits - A note about that is in the RS&P. Again, not trying to snob you dude, Honest! :) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Facebook ==

We should totally have like a "recommend" or "like" buttons on the database... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Do firearms work in space? ==

Stupid hypothetical question, but was watching the most recent episodes of [[Stargate Universe]] and one character was carrying a [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] in a hard vacuum, zero gravity situation. This got me wondering, would unmodified firearms reliably operate in space? I can imagine recoil and blowback operated weapons working ok, but am not so sure about any gun that uses gas operation. Also, would the coldness of space cause problems for the rounds to go off, and if they did would the gun components fracture at this low a temperature (About -270 degrees Celsius for arguments sake). And then even if the gun did fire there would be the problem that it would then very quickly overheat, as there would be no air to cool it, not to mention the fact that any lubricants would either be frozen, or instantly vaporise in the vacuum. I know that there were experiments by the Russians putting a Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 (or NR-30) cannon into space and shooting down target satellites, but has there ever been any experimentation with regular small arms? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 16:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

definitely not, for the same reason that there can't be any explosions in space, because fire needs oxygen and theres none of that in space.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:Not true actually, all gunpowders and the majority of explosives do not require external oxygen to detonate, as they have an oxidant as part of the composition. How do you think a torpedo explodes? Or how a rocket can work in space? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Firefly the series does a good job addressing that issue. i believe it was "Our Mrs. Reynolds".--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:I remember that episodes, and Jayne said Vera (his gun) needed air around her to fire, so I believe that this line was purely based on the misconception that bullets need oxygen to detonate. Or it could be that Vera is not a conventional weapon as we know it. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== The African Queen ==

Can someone do a page for [[The African Queen]] (1951)? I tried, but my DVD screwed up and I'd really like to see that film on this site. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Not allowing PNG's ==

Someone noted that if we're discouraging uploading of PNG files, then it should be removed as an acceptable format on the upload page. This has been asked in the forum, but is there a way to do that? Is there a way to just restrict the uploading of files to just JPG's only? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Another question ==

Would whoever is putting screen used guns on their main page please stop? Screen used gun pictures belong in their discussion pages under "Additional Varients". --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 04:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Satchel charges ==

We've all seen these in movies or video games, or even on Mail Call with R. Lee Eremy. Designs and explosives charges vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, with field versions being cobbled together from whatever's on hand. But as far as the satchel charges built for use by the American military concerned, is there any information available on how they were made? Was there an official type of carrying bag that received a military designation and was ordered up under a governmental work contract? [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

== Colt Ad ==

haha, look at this ad for Colt from 1933 --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 22:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

:Works for me. Those prices really work for me. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

::I see someone else reads Cracked.com.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Colt ad.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::You sure this AD is from 1933? 84 dollars for that Colt Woodsman translates into $1,390.00 in 2010 dollars. That Colt Officer's Model in .22 LR is priced $79.00 which is $1,310.00 now. Actually dollar for dollar, they are more EXPENSIVE relative to what people earned than today's prices. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I did a search in google, and I ran across two sources that say the ad is from 1939. If you run it through the inflation calculator though, the prices are still a bit high. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Tomorrow When the War Began ==

Hi, if possible could someone do an article on the Australian film Tomorrow When the War Began, it's pretty much the Australian version of Red Dawn but I'm not too familiar with the weapons or how to even create a page to do it myself, cheers.

The guns I saw used were the Fold stock AK-47's, AKM's, .22 Caliber rifles, a handgun I think to be is the H&K USP, some light Machineguns and the warhead's of the RPG-7. (I'm an American-Pinoy who watched it in NZ)

==Ban a Wangchao today?==
So how many Wangchaos do we have to ban? Some spammer is up to Wangchao58. He's like Doctor Who. He doesn't die. He just comes back as yet another incarnation. You know you haven't lived unless you've banned a user named "Wangchao_ _ "[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:i dont get to ban people. :( lol -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

==Ads now?==
Stupid question time: are the ads supposed to be here? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

: http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1232&page=4 --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC).

==So, two questions==

First of all, how do you upload pictures to this site, for those of us who are wiki-impaired. Secondly, I'm trying to start a page up for The Cape, that new TV series, and I wanted to know if anyone would be willing to help me, as it'll be my first page. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

: First go to the [[Special:Upload]] page. Click on "upload" and select the file you want to upload. Make sure that all images you upload are .jpgs, the .png format isn't allowed per the rules. Now, insert the name of the Film/Television Show/other Medium, that the page you are working on belongs to the Summary section like this: <nowiki>[[A-Team, The|The A-Team]]</nowiki>. Note that you can have the link display a different text than the one of the page you are linking to. The '''The A-Team''' for example is called "A-Team, The", but since that isnt exactly fun to read I used the | to put the "The" were it belongs. Then you need the appropriate category. These can be found here:[[:Category:Images]]. Insert them just like you inserted the title. Afterwards the only thing left is to upload the image. Once that is done, insert it into your page like this:

<nowiki>

[[Image:KingdomHK912.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Description]]

</nowiki>

:The first part is obviously your file name. Thumb forces the wiki to reformat it into a thumbnail of (here) 400 pixels. Instead of "right", there are also "left" and "center". But the only allowed page formatting is "left" for screenshots and "right" for the movie poster. Replace Description with an appropriate summary of the images contents. It´s also useful for inserting trivia notes and the likes.

: And as for starting your own page: Simply copy the basic layout from already existing pages and analyse what you see. [[Rules%2C_Standards_and_Principles|Rules, Standards and Principles]] also contains a lot of basic tips and guidelines that´ll help you get started. Once you feel like delving deeper into the wonders of wiki formatting: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki . I hope that helped. If you have any more questions, just put them up here on Talk:Main Page. The admins and mods usually give this place a lot of attention. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== What caliber is this? ==

Whilst capping for the [[Red Cap]] page I came across this shot of a L85A1 being reloaded on the firing range:
[[Image:L85a1_100_2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sgt McDonagh ([[Tamzin Outhwaite]]) reloads her rifle at the range.]]
Clearly the rounds in the magazine are neither live nor blank 5.56mm rounds, as they are rounded rather than spitzer bullets, and they are overall shorter/fatter. Also, there is some kind of spacer fitted at the front of the magazine to accommodate the shorter rounds. Regardless, the fact that it is firing a different round is bizarre to me, as have never heard of any SA80s firing anything other than 5.56mm other than a rare few converted to .22LR for training. Has anyone ever seen this type of round before, or explain why it is used in an L85A1? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== television series from 1993 ==

in 1993 there was a television show starring Nick Mancuso.
He was a hitman with all kinds of cool looking guns, and he drove a corvette.
The show was called "matrix".
i am suprised to find nothing from that show here at imfdb.

-Max

::Why are you surprised Max? (1) the show has NOT been rebroadcast with any sort of regularity. Sure I used to watch it all the time when it was on and once during a Sci Fi channel run, but I haven't seen it since. and (2) It's not out on DVD. So exactly how are we supposed to do a page on the show? I for one would love to do pages on TONS of shows, but the jerks who own the rights won't release them on DVD. :( Shame. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this show is not available on DVD. I believe that there's some clips on Youtube. Another interesting bit of trivia is that [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] was also on the show. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia on the Front Page ==

I just saw this bit of trivia on the main page today:

"... that a lot of television series substitute the M249 for visually modified Daewoo K3 machine guns? "

Shouldn't that instead read "...M249 _with_ visually modified Daewoo..."?

- Jeff
:I fixed it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sweet deal. -Jeff

== Harrington & Richardson Pistol ==

I found this little pistol on Arundel Militaria.com, the site calls it a "Harrington & Richardson .32 Semi-Automatic Pistol", but doesn't give the exact name. Can anyone here tell me? --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 11:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Harrington & Richardson.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/deactivated-guns/allied-deactivated-guns/deactivated-very-rare-harrington-richardson-32-semi-automatic-pistol/prod_969.html

:I believe it is just called a H&R Self Loading Pistol. Have seen it referred to as the "Webley Type", due to it being basically an American made version of the Webley and Scott automatic pistol. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Modern Warfare 3 ==

Just to let you guys know, www.findmakarov.com has appeared which contains a countdown, reportedly until the announcement of Modern Warfare 3 in 5 days time (Next Wednesday). --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] 16:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

*It's a hoax. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 06:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::It isn't a hoax, but it isn't for Modern Warfare 3. It is apparently for a "Call of Duty inspired project" from a Toronto based group called ''We Can Pretend''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sarah Palin's Alaska Shotgun? ==

What kind of shotgun was the one Sarah was shooting at the range with what I recall had a foregrip for the pump.

== Pig Hunt ==

i think this site should have a page for the 2008 movie, "Pig Hunt"

:If you want a page for it, make it yourself. This is a wiki, making pages is pretty easy if you put a little effort into it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:02, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

Bullseye. Feel free to make the page.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:20, 11 March 2011 (MSK)

== Signatures ==

Not to sound stupid, but what's the (MSK) in this --> [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:44, 5 March 2011 (MSK) mean? It used to be (UTC) (whatever that means), and why does it say it's the 5th, It's the 4th where I am (GA). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

: ''MSK'' = Moscow Standard Time.'' UTC'' = Coordinated Universal Time. ''GA'' stands for the United States State of Georgia and is that states code used by the United States Postal Service. At least I think so. Basically it's the Time Zone you are in. '''Preferences -> Date and Time'''. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:19, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

::Yeah, my timezone was set to "Other." Testing to see what it stamps this. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:26, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Problem ==

I'm having a problem with the site (it might be related to the new change, I'm not sure) but whenever I search for any Smith & Wesson, I get redirected to [[Smith]] --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:22, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

It works now. I just checked the search by copying and pasting what you wrote. It's good now [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:06, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

*Yeah, for a while yesterday it seemed "&" was an invalid character. Trying for any Heckler & Koch gun would land you on the page "Heckler," too. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:56, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

: Problem still persists for me. Going to the [[Smith & Wesson Escort]] page always sends you straight to the page on [[Smith]] --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:41, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

::Looks like it's happening again. XM8 page was working earlier but now dumps me straight on "Heckler," and Kane & Lynch 2 to "Kane." [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 18:01, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

Anyone else got the problem that the latest revision, discussions and whatever list is missing from the bottom of the main page? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:47, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

Yeah im missing it too, both physically and emotionally --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:16, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

: FYI Bunni removed it to "test speed improvements". http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 23:29, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

Can we have it back now? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 13:08, 20 March 2011 (CDT)

==Deus Ex: Human Revolution==

Hi, fellas. Just want to ask you if this game could have its own page? (The first game's page has been deleted) This game features a modified hi-tech FAMAS, MP7 and some more weapons. The weapons look like in Crysis or F.E.A.R. 2 and since those games have their own page this game should also. (I guess I don't have to tell you the history and influence of this franchise compared to the "new kid" Crysis....) --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:28, 6 March 2011 (MSK)
:I reckon so, the guns in the second game look alot less generic and made up than in the first game. From the look of it the SMG is a hybrid of an MP5 and an MP7, and the combat rifle does look like a FAMAS with a modified handguard and a few other bits. Granted they are not 100% real, but they are a hell of alot closer to real guns than most of those on the [[Crysis 2]] page. There is also a 10mm automatic pistol and a revolver firing explosive rounds in the gameplay trailer, but I don't know if these are based on anything. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:13, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

== The New Website Layout ==

This new website layout is seriously screwed up, i cant get to any weapon pages with "Heckler" or "Smith & Wesson" in the name, whoever did this seriously needs to rethink it.....

I second that. The whole thing looks a mess. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] 19:25, 8 March 2011 (MSK)

Can we go back to having the latest Discussions, New Entries, and Modified Entries on the homepage too? This new layout is a big step backwards in functionality. ''Wraith''

:We're working on it, but the software upgrade was a fact of life, we were running a seriously outdated version of the software with many security vulnerabilities. [[Special:Contributions/68.124.159.34|68.124.159.34]] 03:08, 9 March 2011 (MSK)

==Upload?==

I cannot upload any images since the update... can anyone confirm?? [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 23:42, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

: I had that problem early on. I was first able to upload again around midday today (that's Central European Time mind you). --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 22:21, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

::I don't seem to be able to log in. o_O [[User:Vangelis2|Vangelis2]] 14:56, 10 March 2011 (MSK)

== FN FAL vs M16 ==

I would totally choose the FN FAL. M16's give to many problems and is too weak. Any opinions?--[[User:Mikey|Mikey]] 22:24, 11 March 2011 (MSK)
:you can compare a 7.62semi/full auto to a 5.56 semi/3 round, either way FAL=more stopping power, M16=acuraccy. i heard alot of the reliability issues are being solved too.
In a way I really don't respect the M16 due to:

*The lack of reliability, M16's jam alot and could cost a soldier his/her life.
*Accuracy can do but it has little ability to stop a potential target(unless a marksman and can give a few well placed shots.)

FN FAL:

*Has good accuracy and is more reliable.
*The FAL is capable of taking out potential targets behind any sort of cover what so ever, unlike the famous 50. BMG Sniper rifles and other rifles(5.56 or 7.62)where one would have to wait for the target to "pop out" behing cover.
*No matter where a soldier hits his target with his FAL the target will drop.

== How do I make a page? ==

I want to for a movie and video game. I do <nowiki>[[Category:Video Game]]</nowiki> then I put the game name right after it. I get "Bad Title" everytime.
:You may have figured this out on your own or maybe you tried it when we were doing sever changes and that was the problem. Did you go here? http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Category:Video_Game --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:13, 18 March 2011 (CDT)

Inception

2011-03-10T13:01:41Z

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Talk:Main Page

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==Steven Seagal==
Why is their no weapon page for Seagal's The Patriot?
: Well Mr., why don't you make it yourself? And while your at it, sign your posts. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 06:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Killzone ==
how are none of the killzone games on this website? i know they contain fictional weapons but its still intresting and other games with mock up weapons such as resident evil 0 are on here?

== Malcom X and 9 Deaths of the Ninja ==

There's a scene where Archie says, "Frisk me", and Malcom is unable to find the gun because it's hidden in the small of archie's back. Anyone know what type of gun that is? Oh and there's a low budget movie called "9 Deaths of the Ninja" which features a gatling type rifle called "the Dancer". Anyone know anything about that? Hit me up on my Talk Page. [[User:Des|Des]] 08:49, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

==NCIS/Sons of Anarchy crossover arsenal==
Hey I'm writing a crossover between those two shows and would like a second opinion about the arsenal the 3 Nomads use. it's listed below.

Nomad’s weapons: In Trojan Horse and the sequels that will follow The Nomads employ a variety of guns and weapons to get the job done, however they usually carry them on their persons, their saddlebags, or in their Chevy van.
Their weapons include:
On person:
Sam: Glock 22, KaBar, Glock 26 on right ankle holster, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Vince: Glock 21, KaBar, 2 Glock 26s on a duel ankle holster on right ankle, S&W tactical boot knife on left ankle

Hank: Dual Glock 21s in shoulder rig, Big Daddy Jungle Knife, 1 Glock 30 on right ankle holster, Tiger shark combat knife on left ankle

In Saddle bags: 10 in each

Sam: 1 Sawed off Remington 1100, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 1 Tec 9, 2 Kimber Custom 45s, 3 Glock 17s, 1 Glock 34, 1 Berretta PX4 storm 45

Vince: 1 Sawed off Ithaca M37, 1 Walther P22 loaded with ratshot, 8 Glock 19s

Hank: 1 Sawed off Remington M870, 9 Glock 21s

106 in Van in a custom extra tire compartment in the back floor, gun rack, glove

compartments, and boxes:

60 Handguns:

30 Glock 17s

10 Glock 21s

10 Glock 22s

10 Glock 27s

15 Shotguns:

5 Sawed off Remington M870s

5 Sawed off Ithaca M37s

5 Benelli M4 tacticals

12 Assault Rifles:

12 AK 47s

11 Knives:

5 5” Tantos

1 Spartan fixed blade

3 13” Bowie Knives

2 Neck Knives

8 Melee:

3 Louisville Sluggers

1 9 iron golf club

2 sawed off pool cues

1 black jack

1 Brass knuckles

What do you guys think? Are these weapons appropriate for outlaw bikers?
Also heres the link to the story:http: //www.fanfiction.net/s/5643700/1/Trojan_Horse. tell me what you think.

==Bolt-Action Shotguns==
I have watched some youtube videos with people using a variety of bolt-action shotguns, one of the videos is called 16 ga one handed redneck style where he has modified this bolt-action shotty by sawing off the stock and adding a green finish, if you can identify it I would appreciate it.

==IMFDB = Internet Movie Firearms Data Base, right?==
That's an assumption from the obvious subject of this Wiki. Don't you think the full name should appear on the Main Page? I don't see it anywhere! Fine Wiki you've got going here. [[Special:Contributions/68.199.188.123|68.199.188.123]] 05:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
:You are right! We should have the title INTERNET MOVIE FIREARMS DATA BASE somewhere boldly on the main page. I can EDIT the page, but it has a lot of wiki code on it and I don't want to mess anything up. Can someone else with access (and more wiki code experience) do this change? Can Bunni do this change? It seems pretty obvious and I can't believe we didn't catch it until now. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 15:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I see now we have a big '''Internet Movie Firearms Database''' banner on the main page. Looks good. All the OCD nuts should be happy now! Yay! :b Seriously though, it is good to have it, thanks and nice job. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

==Oh, and another question==
Just watched very interesting commercial. Directed by [[Sam Raimi]] it's actually spoofing [[Desperado]]. There are guns, including [[Remington 1866 Derringer]], one of my personal favoties, i can recognize it everywhere. There's also [[John Saxon]] here. Can i do a page about this commercial? Also, if more global, can commercials and music videos be here, as they also media, like video games and movies. --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 15:39, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
:I don't know about that. That's getting too much out of scope, I think. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:23, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
::NO Commercials, NO Music Videos. There are tons of commercials that play only in Europe or Asia and we can't verify any of that info here. For one thing, you can't BUY or rent the DVDs of television commercials and (the vast majority of) Music videos to screencap them, or more importantly, confirm the veracity of said pages. Yes, chances are you can find a (usually low rez version) on the Internet, but really, do people wonder about the guns in either of those types of visual media? If we include ALL visual media, then we would be forced to accept news broadcasts, documentaries, industrial or training videos, etc. etc. and veer farther from the central theme of being the MOVIE firearms database. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:08, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
::: You wrong actually - there are tons of DVD and festivals, that show commercials. And you can verify them via youtube Though, never mind. But can i do the thing on [[Sam Raimi]] page as a bonus like "Other Works" on IMDB? --[[User:Kloga|Kloga]] 09:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

::::No YOU'RE WRONG, Kloga. You insist on adding things that are (a) unnecessary and (b) Stupid. I'm on the verge of banning just because you keep on pushing it and pushing when we say NO to your various ideas. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 03:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

- Commercials? Music videos? Are you joking? Man, there are literally zillions of commercials that have been made in the world, and I'm sure a healthy percentage of them have gun usage. There have also been loads upon loads of music videos, with a much higher percentage of them having firearms in them. All of which would make for a rather ugly number of additional pages. You're talking about increasing this site in size and organization by at least two or three-fold, if not far more. Be realistic. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

==Request: High Heels & Low Lifes==
While kinda chick-flick-ish, it's still a highly entertaining movie.. and has some really nice looking firearms. There is a scene where one of the main characters, Mason, is standing in the doorway of a darkened apartment, turns to face (three quarters) the camera and pulls out a gun. I have no idea what kind of firearm this is but it looks really awesome.. and if anyone can identify it would be much appreciated!

==Jacked pictures==
The following are pictures taken from my website. The first one is edited, but it's still my picture. The first version still has my copyright notice on it, as does the second picture. [[Image:M1891.jpg]] and [[Image:M39.jpg]] Please remove all versions of both these pictures from the database. I'm not very familiar with wikis or I'd do it myself. --[[User:7.62x54r.net|7.62x54r.net]] 23:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

==English Scripts==
To unregistered users. use English script when writing on these pages. Most of us are American and don't run asian word scripts on our computers. Thus Asian letters are unreadable to us and look like gibberish. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 20:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

== Screencap Legality ==
How do you know whether uploading screencaps violates copyright or not?
: Pretty sure it is okay because no one has hunted us down to sue us, but anyway, as long as you don't claim it is your work and credit only yourself, you should be okay. -GM
:: One thing I would advise you to do is not upload screenshots from pirated copies of movies that haven't been released yet on DVD and Blu Ray. I imagine that if someone working for one of the studios saw that, they would be very upset. They'll know the shots came from a bootleg if the movie isn't out on DVD yet, and they might just throw the book at us. Avoid this at all costs. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Merging articles ==

Is it possible to merge an article with a pre-existing article? Every time I try to do this with particular types of guns, I get an error message that says, "A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name." For instance, if I wanted to move the HK91 article under the H&K G3 article (since the HK91 is a G3 variant, I don't think it needs its own page), I can't do this.
::To merge an article, take the article, copy all the information and put it on the new page in the format you wish to make. You can also do this if you wish to change the name of a page. Take the page that you copied everything from and delete everything on that page. Write on that page this exactly(minus quotes):
"#REDIRECT (then use double [ ] brackets) and write the name of the page EXACTLY AS IT IS. Screw up the name and it'll redirect no where.
:Example
# "#Redirect [[[[M16 rifle series]]]]"
Note:How I made it look finished is what it should look like. Not what it looks like when in the editing of the page. Hope I helped. -[[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

This is probably rhetorical, but is this the same method of redirecting to a page, i.e. [[QBZ-95]] redirecting to [[Norinco QB rifle series]]? I noticed that a page for the QBZ-95 was deleted because there already was one (Norinco QB rifle series), but whenever you type in QBZ-95, there are absolutely no results for it, and that could be confusing for your everyday user..[[User:Run its a T-55|Run its a T-55]] 22:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

== Let there be backups! ==
Ok, I've installed ruby on our dedicated server, signed up for Amazon's s3 storage service, and customized a ruby backup script to automatically backup the database and all image files at 4am pst and upload them to our s3 folder. The process really bogs down the box for a good 10 minutes, so I'm thinking once every 24 hours is fine, but I may go to once every 12 hours eventually... Thanks for putting up with the ups and downs during this time of transition.

Best,
Chris
[[User:Bunni|bunni]] 05:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to our new server! This is the first of many steps I am taking to ensure we never lose data again. The site used to be hosted on shared hosting overseas - we now have a dedicated server housed in a co-location in San Jose, CA. Dedicated servers don't come cheap, but your time, effort, and contributions are now my number one priority.

I'm still transferring the images that have been uploaded over the last couple days, don't worry they're not lost!

==The McUzi==
It wasn’t until I read the ‘Raw Deal’ article on the “fake Uzi” that I realized Hollywood was dressing MAC-10s up as Uzis.

In ‘The Dog of War’ the mercenaries are supposed to be using Uzis. However some are using MAC-10s and some are using MACs dressed up as Uzis. The actors seem to change weapons randomly. For example, as the climactic battle begins Tom Berenger is using a real Uzi and Christopher Walken is using a silenced Uzi. However in the final minutes both are using McUzis. This is made painfully clear as Walken holds the gun to his face when reloading.

There are real MAC Uzi hybrids. These are civilian versions of the Uzi with a .45 barrel, bolt and a MAC-10 magazine well to accept the universal Grease Gun magazines.

The Hollywood guns are merely MACs with Uzi parts added on.

I would see to real reason to make a gun like this accept that the filmmakers wanted to use Uzis but ran out. Much like ‘Planet of the Apes’ when the studio ran out of ape costumes they simply used paper mask. If you look closely at the audience of Heston’s mock trial.

I captured some great stills to add to ‘The Dogs of War’ article.````

== moved from main page ==
We're on the new server and still working the bugs out - email me at cserrano@gmail.com if you're having any issues editing or logging in. The backup file is from early September 30, so most of yesterdays edits are missing - sorry GunMaster45 I'm working on it! [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 17:03, 1 October 2008 (UTC) ''GunMaster45 I've recovered the latest version of the [[Street Kings]] page - anything else we're missing?'' [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 21:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I had the R9 pistol which I had uploaed today but I redid it. Will the pictures remain fuzzy and pixelated or is that just temporary? (Hopefully) -GM

If you find something missing from the old server you can still access it here 66.79.167.132/~imfdb/index.php?title=Main_Page [[User:WikiSysop|WikiSysop]] 20:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:I had just uploaded some pics of the AR18 from Terminator and the Street Sweeper from Total Recall. Can you get them back, or should I upload them again? Also, MPM2008 uploaded some new gun pics, and I don't think he'll appreciate their loss.

== How do i "screencap" a movie? ==
How do i screencap a movie?: [[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 12:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, OK then. We all have our own methods of doing so. Personally, I play my DVDs using VLC Media Player, which has a Snapshot feature which lets you take screenshots when paused, and then it saves them automatically as JPEGs or PNGs to a designated folder of your choosing. However, that's ONLY when I'm screencapping movies I own on DVD. I also rent and download movies using iTunes which I might screencap for IMFDB pages, and I can't play those with VLC. In those cases, I just hit the "Print Screen" key, paste the image into MSPaint, and then crop away the iTunes browser so that only the movie image remains. Then I save them to my HD in a designated folder. Once I've acquired enough screenshots for a movie, I use "Upload file" to put them on IMFDB so that I can use them for pages I edit. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::First and most importantly, you need a DVD drive in your computer to watch the movie. I watch mine on Windows WinDVD system, which has a built in "screencap" button by pressing P, which saves them all in WinDVD file. I take those files from the folder, which are all saved under BMPs and re-save them as JPGs using Corel Paintshop. If they are widescreen, I use crop to cut them out. I then upload them to the site and post them. Now that I've read MT2008's method for iTunes, I can screencap [[Shoot 'Em Up]] which wasn't compatable with my WinDVD system, but worked on my other DVD player which had no screencap button. Hooray! -[[User:Gunmaster45|GM45]]

And also you can use the program I use which is CyberLink PowerDVD which also has a built in Screenshot button. First the screenshots start out as BMPs, but then I use Irfan View to save them as JPGs to a different folder. And if they are widescreen, I use Windows Photo Gallery to crop off the black bars. You should also check out Gunmaster's and MT2008's methods because they might be better.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

What about taking pictures on a digital camera and uploading them to your PC? Does anyone know if it works?[[User:TheDon152|TheDon152]] 21:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

::Thats a very myspace101 question but it's simple there's about 4 ways to do it but I've only done 2. (This demonstration is only done on Windows XP)

:::Option 1: If your camera has a memory slot like a (Compact Flash, Secure Digital, Mini SD, Micro SD, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard (MMC), SmartMedia, xD-Picture Card (xD), etc.) you could remove the card from the camera. Step 1: Once you removed the card from the camera if you have a compatible USB card reader you can plug the card reader into the computer and plug the card into the card reader. The most common great quality card reader brands are (Sandisk, Memorex, PNY, and Lexar) for approximately $20.00 at Wal-Mart.

:::Option 2: If your camera has a connection for a USB cable. Step 1: You can easily find and plug the USB adaptor into the camera and plug the other end of the plug into you computer.

:::The upload process is easy (tested on Windows XP) your computer bottom right task tray will show a "Found New Hardware" icon and be gone that means your camera is connected. Step 2: A pop up will show on how you want to view your images click on "view with Windows" if this pop up does not pop up you will have to manually follow step 3 if not skip on to step 4. Step 3: You may click "My Computer" or "My Documents" most likely on the desktop or start menu on your computer you will go to "My Computer" and find a folder that says a brand of your memory card or camera. Step: 4 Click on the folder and look through all folders and once you find it you may highlight the folder or the selected images on your computer mouse right click and press copy (or press Ctrl+C on your keyboard) and paste the images where ever you want in your computer.

== How do i screencap from a television? ==
Like if i wanted to screencap some video games? 
[[User:Sick-vice|Sick-vice]] 22:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you have an XBOX 360 go out and buy a Dazzle adaptor, Video Amplification Distributor, and a few assorted cables such as an HD Cable for it. This will allow you to record videos from your game,and use a simple program like Paint or Snipping Tool to get your screenshots out of it.
-CZAR-

:You probably need some high tech gizmo. Usually people who screencap TV use DVR and record TV on DVD, then upload them on the computer. I've never done it but it may work for VGs. -GM45

::Personally, I'd recommend maybe trying an emulator to play said game on your computer (assuming your PC is fast enough to handle the software and game). I've been thinking of redoing the ''[[Goldeneye 007]]'' page for a while using Project64 (which has a screencap feature), because I can play that game at high resolution even on my laptop.
:::I recommend softwares like Fraps (only for PC games). It can take images with a click of a button and you can choose what to save it as in the Pictures section. The disadvantage is that you can't record gameplay in computer games and you must pay about $99 (not sure, but around there and you can also pay little by little per month or week to use) it to do unlimited video capturing. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Call of Duty 4 pictures==
I've got good pictures of guns for Call of Duty 4, but i don't know how to upload them, anyone knows how to email me at r1c0ch37@gmail.com

:All you have to do is go to "Upload file" under the "Toolbox" section in the left-hand column. -MT2008

==Protection Log?==
Is something wrong with the site. Why are all the pics being fixed with "([edit=sysop:move=sysop])" for a protection log? I know little about that technical stuff, is someone removing the pics or are they just being protected from over-uploading crappy pics over? -GM

:They're being protected. Some asshole came in earlier today and kept trying to replace MoviePropMaster's pics with stock 'Net images, and kept doing it even after he was asked to stop. MPM's pics are our pride 'n joy...Alienqueen and I agreed not to let them get screwed with anymore. -MT2008

Yeah, that's reason why I did it. I just wish I had my ability to block users back, and then I wouldn't have had to set up protections. I told that guy not to upload over MPM2008's images and multiple times and he didn't listen.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

==Flannigan==
on the Snatch page- I know it already says that the .50 is a 357, but also another way of finding out is that .50s fire 7 rounds where as in the film Bullet tooth tony fires 8 in every mag. so it must be a 357.

Retrieved from "http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Talk:Snatch"

==Deleting old files==
As y'all can probably tell, I have been on a huge deleting spree recently. I've been getting rid of files that weren't being used for whatever reason or another. Some of them were gun images that have since been replaced by MoviePropMaster's images, others were old screencaps that have been replaced by newer ones (like all of my old ''[[Hard Boiled]]'' shots, which have since been replaced by GunMaster's), and some were those images of weird experimental guns uploaded by Cutaway that don't appear in any movie and thus have no purpose on this site.

I realize, of course, that this by itself won't relieve the strain on the servers; it's inevitable as this site grows. But it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. If anyone of the Admins are interested in helping out, please go to "Special Pages" and click on "Unused Files" (at the top). If you see something that might be worth keeping (i.e. Choi's screencaps from ''[[The Killer]]'' which haven't been put on the page yet), leave it alone, but if you see gun images that obviously have no use or screencaps that you know have been replaced...ditch 'em.

Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Good Work, MT2008. I'm sure it'll give us more server space, I'll be sure to delete some myself. One question, if we get rid of the old files, will this site load faster?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:13, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

:Beats me, but I'd have to guess...not ''noticeably'' faster. It will at least give us more space for uploading newer files. However, IMFDB is constantly growing, so it's inevitable we'll reach our limits eventually. You'd have to ask Bunni when that will be. Anyway, I'm off to the pub now. I will be back later to continue. [[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Go right ahead, you deserve a break. I'll get rid of as many as I can, I'm also seeing alot of screenshots nobody bothered to use, it makes me wonder why people upload them if they're just going to sit there for a year and gather dust. And, I'm also going to screencap [[Four Brothers]] and [[Assault on Precinct 13 (2005)]] soon, so you can look forward to seeing them completed.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 02:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Fictional Firearms==
I propose that we denote pages for 'fictional' firearms with parentheses "like Non Guns" so that they are in a different grouping than real guns. GM has made pages for the fantasy weapons of Hellboy II and that made me think about custom pages for the Morita Rifle (Starship troopers) or the M590 (Space:Above and Beyond) or the Blade Runner Pistol or any of the Star Wars guns (versus other types of Sci fi weapons, these should be guns). Even though THESE fictional guns are based on real guns, they can have their own pages with links to the original weapons page. Regardless, I think that guns that aren't real should be separated, lest they confuse users. Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.
[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

:I agree. I was kinda turned off when I saw the Aliens Resurrection page. None of those guns were based off of real firearms or even guns dressed up to look like futuristic guns.

::Well I get the point of making a post about fictional guns that were built around real guns like the Morita rifle and the Pulse Rifle of Aliens, but guns that were built from scratch like the Samaritian. Would it really need a page here or is that just for the fanboys who like the gun? It's like a page for the cars used in the Punisher movie or people who like to include knives, swords, and even bows & arrow in pages, including me. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The advantage is that the page can inform an interested user that the prop was NOT based on any real firearm, information that is just as important as informing 'what real firearm' was used in a prop weapon. What I don't like are obvious NON crafted weapons .... like [[Molotov cocktails]] ... wtf? That's an improvised weapon, like a sharp stick or a brick.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::What about bows & arrows, or crossbows? I put them in my pages cause when they are used, they an impression and deserve a mention evne though they aren't firearms. Also what about knives and swords? I've seen some of those as well, but I think the knife of Rambo should stay because...well, it's the knife of Rambo. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== My gripe on Empty pages ==

I've been seeing a lot of new pages lately. The problem is that they are a blank! Nothing, not even a list of guns. What the fuck? I mean, a list of guns with no photos is ok, but just a fucking blank page? Do the people that do that expect someone else to do the work for them? They mind as well type down, "someone list the guns and put up pics for me cause I am lazy as fuck to even give a list." At least writing that down says something. Not just a blank.
:We all understand your pain Exy, we need a more efficient way to let the anonymous users know that if you make a page, you got to do the work. You gotta watch the language though, people will see it and think it is okay to do often. We all do it, but we don't want it done for no reason. Just ignore the empty pages, let them do the work eventually. If they don't, delete the pages. Half of them are movies I've never heard of anyway. Keep an eye out for [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]], I'll have them done this week. -GM
::What about that new member who create thirty or so new movie pages (some of which barely had one gun in them) and then never filled out any of those pages? I'm tempted to give people a little time, but for movies in which I question their relevance to this site, I'm also tempted to get rid of blank pages and let people create them when they're ready to populate them with information. MPM
:::Sorry for the foul launguage. I'm used to talking on forums where the F word is acceptable when you are pissed. Swears is culturally part of any language and sometimes it slips and I like to think we're all adults here that do use swears in real life when it is required. Anyway. Nice job on the [[Tropic Thunder]] and [[The Shawshank Redemption]] pages. I've only done one movie that had ONE gun in it and it was [[The Forbidden Kingdom]] and even I did the work for it. I guess the anonymous users might also just be curious guys online and just hope we know what movie they are talking about, have it, and would take the time to tell them what guns are in it by doing the pages, but maybe on the main page, someone should put down rules of how to operate this site. I mean, I wanted to put a new qoute into the qoute section, but can't cause I don't know how to do it [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

=="jacked" summaries"==
One thing that irks me is people 'cut and pasting' a plot summary completely from IMDB. This is not only against IMFDB rules, but if any mods from IMDB sees them, they can make an stink about it. I'm tempted to 'erase' any pirated summaries and put a note to the original writer ''"'''Write your own summary in your own words'''. It isn't too hard, even to re-arrange the sentences and replace some words to make it LOOK like you wrote it yourself. Just don't lift them word for word from another well known source. IMDB itself has a rule that you must write your own summaries and not lift them from other 3rd party sources. So does IMFDB.org. "'' Of course there are so many jacked firearm images here, this may be hypocritical. Which is why I'm working so hard to get IMFDB their own exclusive gun images. But it's one thing to upload an image of an impossible to get gun which no one has, versus taking the time to type a few sentences...
:I agree. I did the same thing with my [[Black Lagoon]] page when I got here, but I took it off mainly because I didn't see the need for a summary at the beginning of the page that is THAT long winded. People are here for the guns and if they want to know what the movie or show is about, they just look it up. I don't know, I stopped writing summaries for movies and shows long ago. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 13:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I think we don´t need summaries.[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with those who think "we don't need no stinkin' summaries..." For those people who have NOT seen the movie a SHORT summaries are okay. I've put them on some of my pages, usually when I have something interesting to add. I do like them when someone puts a page for a movie so obscure that I have no idea what it's about (and I don't want to have to go hunting around the web to find out, capice?) I added summaries (and others did) for those REALLY OBSCURE East german B&W movies that are on the site. Who created those pages anyway? Like anyone's going to see Black and white German language communist era DDR movies .... oh well. I can always start creating pages for the cinema of 1930s Lithuania! hahahaha. But having no summary for SOME of the pages sucks. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::I found some summaries to stick out too much. Maybe a sentence or two to just give the jist, or a catch phrase like, but really I don't do summaries anymore. But I'll think about it for the anime ones simply cause some of them are harder to find or most people wouldn't have interests in them. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Leaving your sign==
If you want people to know who you are when you write things on pages and discussion boards, put four ~ symbols after your message. Your user name and time/date are automatically shown. [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]] 20:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

:See?

:: What he said. ;)
::: I agree wholeheartedly ...
::::Yes. Just yes. --Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

== Should we have templates? ==

Like in Wikipedia?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 11:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

It WOULD make this site a bit more...colorful than the standard white background, but if it's too much work, then it's up to whoever really runs this place.

:In all honesty, what this site needs most of all is cross-referencing of some kind, so that if somebody enters the name of a gun in one page, it shows up on another. It's a downfall of Wikis in general, and this one in particular. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

==Views==

Is there a way how I could check how many people viewed may page like on the home page the top 5 articles says how many people have viewed are page.
-[[User:Btracy1994|Btracy1994]] 01:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== How do i replace a image? ==

How do i replace a image?[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Updating ==

Can someone please update or add pictures to these listed pages:

*3000 miles to Graceland

*Blue streak

*The Mask

*Snatch

:The Mask and Snatch are on my to-do list. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== music videos ==

should be included on the site...i want to know the guns used in protest the hero's video for blindfolds aside...if anyone knows, please share, or at least where i can find out

== main page movies ==

What exactly is the criteria for a film to be featured on the main page? I was thinking of submitting some (unless there are already enough as it is). - [[User:Speakeasy804|Speakeasy804]]
:Popular, critically aclaimed (but gun heavy I guess, something that wins 9 oscars but has three guns isn't a good idea), and it should have a decent amount of guns on it (like 15-20 seems about right).

== Too many screencaps!!! ==

I'm getting a bit frustrated w/the amount of screencaps we're loading up. Is there any way we can limit the number? The pages are becoming much too long & scrolling takes forever. I know Wikis are not democracies so a vote would be out of the question but can we all please stop indulging our screecap skills by putting ALL our favorite stills from these films up & just have about 2-3 images per firearm? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 20:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:At least for the front page I have to agree - the loading is taking way too long. I'm going to disable the featured page for a while and see how it goes. I can't afford to upgrade the server at the moment to handle the huge load. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 03:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::Can this be done on individual pages too? Take a look at the page for Shoot 'em Up for instance, seems like everyone just had to throw their favorite frame in there. Also, the Quick & the Dead is pretty bad too... Also, would it be bad in etiquette to go into pages & start cutting out images that are repetitive or unnecessary? [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 18:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Excuse the language but FUCK YOU. And if you start removing my screencaps I'll be sure to remove ''you'' from the site. (sorry about the outburst but it is very rude to blatantly bash my hard work and contributions to this site, and it pisses me off gravely) - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::::No one was bashing the hard work or contributions. Don't confuse legitimate criticism with a personal attack, and your response back was a personal attack and beneath you, especially the fine responses you usually write (and the fact that you're a MOD now). I hope you eventually understand that I also mean no disrespect as well. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GM's comment aside I'm all for detailed screencaps. Heck I'm going to be trying to collect a bunch for myself. Unfortunantly the interesting films I have are VHS. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:He's got a point though. I dont want to be rude, but when every single time the certain gun is shown, it doesnt really need a picture. 5 tops is ok. GM, you are very nortorious for 13-14 pictures of the same gun. i can understand showing cycling misfeeds/changes in guns, but on the Punisher page, you dont really need that many pictures of Castle shooting Spoon and Dante. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::You shouldn't have to apologize. The members who seem to LOVE tons of screencaps take it personally, like you're attacking THEM, not the decision to display endless screenshots of guns. I think when they think about it, they may realize that no one is trying to be insulting. When I screencap, I edit the pictures. Sure I might have 14 shots, but I choose the best couple and cull the rest. I don't feel compelled to force everyone to look at every since solitary screenshot, just because I took the time to do them. Just like a writer or artist, you must have the maturity to cut out what is excess, even though at the time it sucks to cut out stuff you like. Looks like some of the new (i.e. young also) members are trying to outdo the record for ridiculous screencaps. [[We Were Soldiers]] is now a page that I no longer like to look at, now that I have to scroll down for ten minutes to see the next section. :( [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

== how do i screencap ==

i have many films, games exc that i want to screencap. please can someone tell me how to?
:You need a DVD-rom drive on your computer. Play the movie on a DVD player with a screencapture function. The images will be saved to a folder. Cut off any widescreen or full screen bars and convert the image to a JPG so it can be placed here. You'll need a photo editor such as Corel Photoshop or even Paintshop. Then go to the Upload file section and upload them on the site. Copy the picture's linkage (will say something like "Image:name.jpg") then put the image in double brackets [[]] and paste the linkage. now you'd take this image and write it like this:

(double bracket)Image:name.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Comment.(double bracket)

Look at some other pages to see this in use. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

You can actually screencap with any Windows computer, very easily. Just use the Print Screen button and paste it into whatever program you want; you can then crop out the interface and whatnot. You can also use Print Screen + Alt so that you only get what's inside the window instead of everything (I think PrtScn + Alt is what you want.

[[Special:Contributions/72.189.150.170|72.189.150.170]]

==Should this picture be on the M16 Page?==
hahahaha. The CHAMPION of customization in the history of firearms! .....
[[Image:74ea0f45a31c.gif]]

[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:Oh hell yea! that looks awesome! [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
::Looks like that GIF took a lot of work to make... Awesome though. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:::That would be perfect for the M16 page, so definitely yes!--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 20:47, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well where on the page should this be on? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 21:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

:Interesting enough I don't see this thing transform into an M16A1 or A2
::M16A1 is dead and gone. the a2 series is the new and improved. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

Slow it down a touch and it's perfect! And to satisfy those who are sticklers about accuracy: split the animation into "A1" and "A2" animations (one for each M16 variant).
EDIT: Isn't there a silencer for it? Counter-Strike says so...
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

How awesome is that AR-15 builder, just love doing it for the hell of it.

== Grammar/Spelling ==
-
- Hello gentlemen. First off I just want to start of by telling you guys how much I enjoy this site. Anyhow, I come visiting from IMCDb (Internet Movie Car Database). I'm an administrator over there and given my interest in weapons and the similarity between the two sites, I've taken an interest in visiting your site. However, I've noticed a problem that I wanted to bring up to your guys' attention. Often times there are grammar and spelling mistakes and I think that it is something that you guys can improve upon a bit more. I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing or I'm calling anybody stupid or anything, but it's things like that that could make the site look cleaner and more appealing. And yes, I do understand that english may not be the first language for some of the posters here. My point is that I'm just giving some friendly advice from who I'd like to think of as someone from a "sister" site. Thanks gents...keep up the great work.

:: We have tons of contributors who aren't even old enough to shave yet. Does that tell you anything? GM45 once described it as a small group of Mods/ Super users fighting against the cresting tide of the ocean, or something to that effect. :) An apt metaphor. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

:::Hi, I am a fan of IMCDB myself (it was where I learned all about how M1 Abrams tanks in Hollywood are mocked-up Centurions). I do appreciate your concerns about grammar/spelling and agree with you that it needs to be addressed. However, being that (unlike IMCDB) we are a Wiki open for all to edit, it's somewhat inevitable that this will be an issue. I appreciate the fact that this is less of an issue with IMCDB due to the format of the site, and at times, I wish we could integrate elements of IMCDB into this site to standardize things a bit (I still get annoyed when I see people who call a Beretta 92F a "Berretta M92F" even though it says at the top of the page that this is not the correct spelling). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

::::Fellas, I greatly appreciate the response. I understand the situation with your site and we ourselves deal with some of the same issues, as far as having younger members whose grammar and knowledge isn't exactly ideal. But thanks a lot for the response. And as I said earlier, keep up the good work.

:::::Thanks. We also have foreign contributors who don't have that great of a grasp of English. We also have guys who just don't know how to spell. One of my buddies who is a combat vet, former 82nd Airborne, types like a two year old on his computer. I jokingly say that I have to create a special filter for Babelfish to decypher what he is typing! LOL. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

===Our own movie===
I was thinkin'. We've got a lot of people on this site, a lot of them are very talented, we could probably make our own movie someday. I know a good script writer with an idea already mostly-formed, maybe imfdb should have a meet up and make a movie. We could probably all pool our resources and make an awesome one. Just a whimsical fantasy...-protoAuthor
:A movie based on a website? What the fuck? That won't work. I am sorry but, that just won't work.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, I mean we all pitch together and make an action movie. Not based on the website, but the website has the people and resources. As in, a community effort. -protoAuthor
:::That would be cool if only the movie we make is a cheesy action movie in the same vein as Commando, then we can do it.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
::::hahahahaha, uh no. :) Some of us actually work in the movie industry and it's not easy to make a movie, even a crappy backyard effort one with a video camera bought from Walmart. You're right, it's a whimsical fantasy, but you need a TON of talented people who know what they are doing in ALL of the positions of a film production. Not just armorers but you need everyone, a good script, good actors, a good director, a good producer (which amazingly is really hard since the producer is supposed to be a manager, NOT someone who micro manages the work by everyone else), a good crew, skilled camera operators, good cameras, pro lighting gear and a good DP or cinematographer. Oh did I mention TONS of $$ (you could spend a fortune just feeding the crew and paying for insurance and permits - salaries not withstanding). Wait, you also need office staff, pre production staff and post production staff and facilities (digital capture, color correcting, editing, sound engineering and editing) and then where are you going to sell it? You need marketing, posters, ads, trailers, a website, the list goes on and on. No I'm not making fun of your comment. It was funny and just that, fantasizing, but I know you are just throwing this bit out there and are not serious. Because it's akin to someone saying "hey let's stage our own high orbit launch of a satellite, all we need is ....." :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'm currently working on an amatuer backyard crap job now, and it is actually turning out quite well. We don't have tons of money but we can fund things like fake blood, spare t-shirts (to cover in fake blood), and blanks. As for lighting, so far everything has been working well for us. We actually have enough filmed now that I'm confident this will be a good movie. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Help with VLC ==
I need help with my VLC Media Program. When i screencap movies the program screencaps like normal, but when i upload my images to IMFDB the images stay like this:

[[Image:Vlcsnap-252103Mk2.jpg|thumb|none|512px|Charlie Sheen in [[Platoon]]. <s>The Problem here is that even when the screencap is in 1200x configuration, the screencap is still away too small.</s> Fixed!]]
:Can Anyone help me with this?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 19:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

:I don't have that problem, but I'm checking out the settings to see what might cause it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

::I imagine you've got this sorted by now, but it's because you missed the letter "p." It's "px" as in "pixel," not "x" as in "times." And that still won't make it larger than the image itself is. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Discussions on Articles==

I love this site, I have wasted many hours just browsing the wonderful collection of articles. My only qualm is some users feel that the article pages are also discussion pages to argue the validity of someone's addition. There is nothing that irks me more that when i am reading about a movie and then it becomes some kind of forum. I think this should be regulated to make the site more professional.

:We try to regulate it and throw those discussions on the discussion pages of articles but there are still some users that discuss on the articles.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

::I agree, that has been a thorn in my side too. Nothing worse than to go to the trouble of creating a thorough, tidy-looking article only for people to clutter it up with chatter and arguements that should be saved for the article's talk page. that 'discussion' tab is up there for a reason, people! [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 21:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I couldn't agree more, it turns me off when I'm going through a neat looking page, and then come across a bunch of comments and arguments. If we could just get into the habit of using the talk page for these arguments, then we'll be more obligated to use them more often.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 22:38, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

== This video ==

Have any of you lazy sons-of-bitches seen this video:
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_3FFThpkyg]

It's fucking awesome let me tell you. And no, i'm not spamming links just watch the video. It's about us!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:That's been out for a while now; take a look at some of those old gun pics on there, like the long since replaced M16A1/M203 with the 20-round mag. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 22:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::I know but i never seen it. It's really funny.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 22:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately some our members are a bit too thin skinned. This guy wasn't being insulting. He was intentionally obnoxious trying to be a 'showman'. Some guys "telling him to fuck off" in the comments makes us look a bit immature. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== How? ==
how do i create my own page to say what my favourite weapons and movies are and what contributions i have made? please can someone tell me.
:You have to register first and, contribute to this site. Bye!-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
i'd hate to sound like an idiot but i've just done that (register and contribute) now what do i do?
:On the upper right corner of your screen there is an panel with thing about your username. Press the one with your name on it and write on it. Also, when editing, there will be an link with "Editing Help". Click it and read it. Now you know how to edit. Yay! Also, put four ~ after any of your messages. That way, you will sign you messages and people will know who you are.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 21:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

== Movie Article Request "Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow" ==

There are many guns, but I request this mostly for a big mistake in it. When Sky Captain is running on a log with a Colt 1911 (silver) in hand and drops it, the computer rendering shows a revolver of some sort. It is probably the same as the one in the scene where Sky Captain is at his desk and the reporter comes in, and he stops her at gunpoint.

Sorry if I was vague, but my memory's a little fuzzy.
--Maxaxle, [[Special:Contributions/99.50.201.235|99.50.201.235]] 23:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
:I actually own that film and I ''could'' screencap it ,but I effing hate that movie. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 21:34, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

:Is it really that bad? It looked like it sucked, but I wasn't sure-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

::It's just really corny. It tries to capture the feel of movies made in the 20's or whenever the hell the movie's suppose to take place, but it is just super, super, super, corny. If it was intentionally corny, it would be funny. But it's not and that's what makes it bad. The only redeeming part is that Angelina Jolie is in it. Unfortunately, she's always in a uniform and has a patch over one eye, so it's not really worth it in the end. The dues ex Machina near the end doesn't help, or the fact that the female lead is the type of person that would push a button for no other reason then it says "DO NOT PUSH". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 21:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== How do I ==

get pictures on a page? not screencaps but an actor holding a gun in a movie?

== Fixed Width 1000px ==

I'm working on making the front page a fixed width design... let me play with the ads and featured articles for a couple days. [[User:Bunni|bunni]] 22:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:Created a new template for featured articles, you can play with it at [[Template:FeaturedArticle]]. I've currently only added 3:10 to Yuma and Live Free or Die Hard - feel free to add more. [[User:Bunni|bunni]]

==Random screencap==
Is there any chance of bringing this feature back? I liked looking at the different screenshots. [[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 11 Oct 2009
::Do you prefer having the site crash more often than not, for this little inconvenience?

== I need help with a Link problem ==

I started a State of Grace page, which shows up when entered in the search box, but when I went to add the info from the movie to the actors pages the link back to State of Grace is said to be deleted. Like when I went to the Sean Penn page and entered what pistol he used and entered State of Grace, when I click on State of Grace it brings to a page that says:

'''Warning: You are recreating a page that was previously deleted.'''

You should consider whether it is appropriate to continue editing this page. The deletion log for this page is provided here for convenience:
• 18:32, 15 April 2009 Gunmaster45 (Talk | contribs) deleted ''"State of Grace" ‎ (content before blanking was: 'This excellent movie starred Sean Penn, Ed Harris, and Gary Oldman. Penn, an undercover cop infiltrating the Irish mob in NYC carried a Smith 6906 in .9mm with a Ruger SP101 backup gun. Gary Oldman, a thug, carried ...')''

Does this mean I need to copy and paste all the work I did into that deleted page? Searching for the movie from the search box will bring you to the page I created from scratch, but the link from the actors pages brings you to that notice of an old deleted page. Can anyone help? --[[User:Mauser|Mauser]] 03:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

There was a small difference in titles between the link and the page you created. The link was State of Grace and the title of your page was State Of Grace, so that's why it didn't link. I made a redirect on the previously deleted page so it should work now.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:48, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== Movies Page ==

I don't know if anyone has noticed but in the movies page King Kong (1933) is listed under B and there's no entry for it under K. Reason I'm saying this is because I guess only admins can edit category pages? because nothing pops up when I click edit.-[[User:Shooter2|Shooter2]]

::I fixed it. Someone put B&W in the same Category line as "movie". YOu put the categories in separate lines. WHen you put B&W in the same line, it thinks that you want the movie categorized in the "B" category [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 02:26, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

== Do a page on Pavement ==

Can someone please do a page on a movie called Pavement that stars Robert Patrick and Lauren Holly filmed in 2002. I was interested the weapons SWAT used and was pretty sure at one point even though she hadn't fired her weapon while clearing a house the top slide of her sidearm was locked back. I'd do it myself but I don't know where to find this movie as I saw it on TV one night and haven't done it before so wouldn't know how to make a page. Cheers
:Pavement was filmed in South Africa, even though the story is set in San Francisco. Funny how San Francisco, suddenly looks like the scenes from District 9? Lauren Holly used a Vektor CP1 pistol, and yes, she pops out and her slide is open, but it looks like she fired and the editor removed the sequence of her firing, wanting instead for the crazy dude to force her to withdraw by firing his shotgun first. It was an editorial decision that screwed up what was already filmed. The SWAT team used South African R4s, Vektor CR21s, some dummy SIG 550s and one M16A1(probably a replica). The weapons are what one expects from a South African production. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

== Actor's Pages ==

I see that a lot of the actor pages are being converted to the "table" format, but I don't know if it's clear what should be in the first category. Should the guns be placed first before what movie the actor used them in? I would prefer it this way, because it's easier to read that way. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
::You're right in pointing this out. I see NEW MEMBERS are changing the order in the tables on the ACTOR pages. Traditionally it's been WEAPON, then CHARACTER, then MOVIE TITLE, then notes. That format was chosen because it flows like a 'sentence'. I.e. John Doe has used the following ...... a [[Beretta 92FS]] as Krusty A. Clown in ''Attack of the Killer Cartoons'' (note), (year). WE should formalize a format and then institute it in the rules. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request ==

can someone do Wrongfully Accused with Leslie Nielsen. the reason I ask is because there is a strange LMG version of an M134 in it, and i would like to know what the hell it is, and if it is real.

== A question ==

So, this wiki has articles about video games, anime and animated films which are either 3d representations or drawings of guns. So why are stop-motion films, and other animation of this kind not allowed here? Why are they an exception?
::That answer is in the rules. The representations of guns are crude and not appropriate to waste IMFDB resources on. We haven't even covered the majority of our CORE genres (Films, Television shows, Anime & VG). And many of our pages are very incomplete or lame. So we tend to discourage new members from trying to introduce even MORE genres for us to cover. That and in those genres the guns are too crude to be listed as anything in particular. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

== Question: Live fire in movies ==

Hi, first of all, please excuse my English, I am not a native speaker. Secondly, please excuse I aks my question here although I know it is not the proper place for this, but I found no forum in this wiki. So here is my question:

When filming the German movie ''Spione'' (''Spys'', but there never was an English version) in 1928, there was live gun firing because they could not simulate it with special effects (1928), and the gun in the scene in question was fired in the direction of one of the actors. Strangely enough this caused a furor only because filming the scene was repeated several times by the director, who was was the lover of the actress in the scene, but it seems there was no talking about the live firing of a gun in a movie ''per se'' at all. So was using live fire in movies normal in a time they could not use special effects? Are there more films in which they used live fire instead of special effects? Thanks, Gustav

==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imfdb IMFBD Wikipeda Page]==
It's been put up for speedy deletion. Could better writers than me go explain why it shouldn't? -[[User:JonathanDP|JonathanDP]] 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not sure I could myself. I mean, a Wikipedia article about another Wiki? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 18:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Too late, it's already gone. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
::Dude, there're many wikipedia articles on other wikis. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wikis Don't believe me?]--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 23:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I was actually the one who wrote that article (Rockmandrum on Wikipedia). I wrote that article because there are also different databases such as the IMCFD (Internet Adult Film Database) and I thought IMFDB should go there as it's a database, but my article got tagged for the lack of sources though there are some sources out there. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 02:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Quotes question...==

I dunno who is in charge of the featured quotes section, but I'd like to know. Can we, the registered users, propose new ideas of featured quotes? 'Cause I got a few, and I'm sure other guys have 'em too. [[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:45 March 7, 2010 (UTC)

== Quote suggestions ==

You might want to make your suggestions in the discussion section of the [[Template:Quote]] page. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 00:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

==Page that can't be edited==

Seems that the [[Ga-rei: Zero]] page can't be edited. There a problem with this or should it be just deleted instead to start all over? [[User:Ominae|Ominae]] 20:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

==Just Cause 2==
Hey guys. I know the first Just Cause had no realistic weapons, but that changes with JC2. So far even from the demo I've made out a Desert Eagle, M4-type rifle, MP5/UMP cross, and an M136 AT4. If anyone could screencap the game, I'd gladly do descriptions and the rest. [[User:M14fanboy|M14fanboy]]

==Hi there==
New member here. Just wanted to drop a line. awesome site! Some pics I recognize off the net. Just a question. where do you get the great gun pictures from? I used to use Security arms and Guns of the world for reference but you guys have some of the best pics I've seen, including some that I have never seen anywhere else. If you license from some stock photo site, please let me know. I would be interested in getting access to their image library! :) Kyle

-For the most part pictures that are used are from MoviePropMaster2008, he is IMFDB's armorer, he has a lot of the pics of weapons on white backgrounds that you see. Many from movies they helped with. However, he doesn't have all of them. Just check for the picture you are looking before uploading any of your own. --[[User:Camden Hennis|Camden Hennis]] 16:20, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Director's Pages ==

If I've seen a page on the site like Hurt Locker or Face/Off or even Heat, I might like to know what other films the director has done, so I think the pages are helpful in that respect. Judging by the amount of pages we have for actors who have maybe used or carried a gun once, compared to how many directors pages we have, I don't think you're saving that much on space. Also, if you're looking to make this site a really good reference site, omitting these pages just doesn't make sense. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 02:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

- Well, next thing you know, we'll include pages/categories for Producers, Production designers, etc. There's only so much this place needs to put on here. There's already an 'Internet Movie DataBase' that has all that other stuff. Like MPM said on another page - Putting a bunch of emphasis on what directors/actors/etc did what takes away from the primary focus of the site, which is to display and discuss the firearms and info directly relating to them. The actors are only here because they're the ones actually seen in movies handling the firearms, but anything other than that I feel would just be too much. If you want to find out about Directors and the like, again, there's IMDB as well as other sites on the internet for that. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

== Franchise pages ==

Like director pages, can we make pages for particular game franchises, like all of the Call of Duty games or all the Medal of Honor games? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

- You mean like list pages, like we have for movie franchises, film genres and such? If so, that would be fine, would make reference/look-up of a particular title in a series easier. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

:No, unless the franchises have tons of titles that are completely different. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out all of the games titled "Call of Duty" or Medal of Honor" belong to a certain series of games. And I have not seen a surge of titles that OMIT the franchise identifiers like a new title that is officially a part of the Call of Duty series that doesn't have 'Call of Duty' in the title. Unless that happens, the franchise identifiers are NOT NECESSARY and add to the overall clutter that IMFDB is trying to avoid. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 19:12, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::I was just talking about the really big franchises, and I guess it'd only apply to the CoD and MoH series. There are a DOZEN games in each series, several of which I've never even heard of. Users here are obviously fans, given how detailed the pages are and the length of the discussion pages. Maybe a chronological listing? Or a glorified disambiguation page? --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 20:48, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:::There should be a ''see also'' addition to the pages, however, a glorified disambiguation page is not a bad idea. But the pages STILL need a 'see also' section at the bottom of the page that is complete. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Organizing firearms by type ==

I'm just organizing some pages. [[Heat]] , [[Ronin]] , [[McQ]], [[Public Enemies]] , [[Reign of Fire]] and so forth. I'm not changing the text or screencaps, but I'm anal and I am grouping the firearms by type. Just wanted to get that out there so nobody sends me hate mail. I'm not messing with anybody's hard work. Just helping to organize. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 21:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

- I took a gander at those pages, I actually like the grouped-together firearms, again, makes reference on the contents of a page easier. Especially if a page has a lot of guns that can be grouped under said categories like those pages.

Although some people like doing the pages by chronological appearance of the firearms (T2, as well as my own page, [[Nothing But Trouble]], for instance) but those pages either don't have a lot of guns or are very diverse.

But in pages where there are a lot of guns that can be grouped under some general types (Pistols, SMGs, Shotguns, Assault Rifles, etc) I think it helps. I've certainly seen some pages re-organized as such and it helped. I won't say it's the thing to do for ALL pages, but many would benefit from it. Just my thoughts. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm doing it to the pages that I created and a few pages with many many firearms like [[Heat]]. But I want to do it slowly. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 00:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== Made for TV movies ==

What's the ruling on made for TV movies? I've seen them go either ways on this site. Dirty Dozen: the Next Mission is listed as a movie, while Lost Battalion is listed as TV, despite both being made for TV movies. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''What are you talking about? The Lost Battalion is not listed that way'''. For the record, made for TV Movies (or as called in Hollywood MOW for "Movie of the Week" as the major networks used to do, are listed as movies. They are not episodic series or Mini-series. If the entire thing is shown in a single showing then it's a movie. These made for TV movies are sometimes theatrically released overseas, and many of them are released on video/DVD as movies. Anyway that's the rule and I still don't see any violation of that rule. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:50, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I was referring to the weapons pages that link to it. For example, the M1917 pistol and rifle pages both have Lost Battalion under Television, while the M1911 and Chauchat entries have it under Film. And others not at all. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 05:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Well that's an error on those gun pages. If you see errors like that, which I am sure there are plenty of on IMFDB, please fix them when you see them. There is a LOT of breaks in cross indexing. I've long berated members for creating pages and NOT cross indexing them to actors and gun pages. And with new members creating new pages every other hour or so, the problem is just going to get bigger. All IMFDB members should try to fix cross indexing errors when they see them. Heck, there are pages I've made that I forgot to cross index some of the weapons entries on. But we must be vigilant and try to keep IMFDB accurate and up to date as possible. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

== The Last Hunt ==

Hi it's been a while since I've seen this but I remember Robert Taylor using a massive Winchester rifle. I was wondering if this was a Model 1886 since he was hunting buffalo with it and it used a .45-90 bullet.

I've seen a Model '86 Winchester rifle in the Monte Walsh remake and in a recent episode of Pawn Stars and they didn't really look as big as Robert Taylor's. I was just wondering if anyone knew if it was an '86 or maybe something else.

==Gun-releated quotes on actor/actress page==
I thought of an idea while looking at the quotes section: how about some quotes said by an actor/actress can go on their page? For example, Al Pacino's quote, "Say hello to my little friend," from [[Scarface]] can also go on his page, too. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 21:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

== Screen Used movie firearms ==

I have recently been searching the website for weapons which were pictures of actual movie firearms, example being weapons in Quentin Tarantino films.
if anyone could list some films for me that would be great. These are some of the ones i have already found:

*[[Scarface]]
*[[Pulp Fiction]]
*[[Reservoir Dogs]]
*[[True Romance]]
*[[Jackie Brown]]
*[[Lethal Weapon]] series
*[[Die Hard]] series
*[[Predator]]
*[[The Untouchables]]
*[[Austin Powers in Goldmember]]
*[[The Spirit]]
*[[Lord of War]]
*[[Beverly Hills Cop]]
*[[We Were Soldiers]]
*[[Tightrope]]
*[[The Enforcer]]
*[[The Dead Pool]]
*[[Dirty Harry]] - no S&W 29 unfortunately
*[[The Quick and the Dead]]
*[[Man on Fire]]
*[[Miami Vice - Season 3]]
*[[The Getaway (1972)]]
*[[3:10 to Yuma (2007)]]
*[[The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean]]
*[[Machete]]
*[[Fair Game]]
*[[Ghosts of Mars]]
*[[Wild Wild West]]
*[[S.W.A.T. (2003)]]
*[[Collateral]]
*[[Hidalgo]]
*[[Appaloosa]]
That's all I could think of, for now, also many have the pics on the site may not say they were used in a certain film, but a lot of them are movie guns.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:03, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

:::(a) Thank you. :) You're actually just chronicling my work for the site. 90% of the screen used photos I shot exclusively for IMFDB and I kinda wondered myself just how many titles I've covered. (b) it's sad but true that many OTHER gun pics are of guns that I'm certain have appeared in stuff, but unless record have been checked and verified, it can't be said with any sort of certainty. So we have TONS more movie used weapons than not in photographs. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

:We also have several guns from ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]''. At some point, I think we need to make a page with all of the screen-used movie guns that MoviePropmaster has photographed for us. And then I also need to make a page with the gun pictures that my contact at ISS sent me. There are a lot of them on this site. Of course, there are also some that we've taken from other sites (like YourProps and PropStore), but I'd probably just put the gun pictures that are IMFDB exclusives. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
::That seems like a good idea MT.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 14:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Book of Eli, The]] has that kind of stuff on its page and [[The Unit]] as well, if you want to be hardcore about it. [[Spades of Columbia]]

== Missing firearm (The Peacemaker) ==
Just got done watching this movie & there is a scene between the Russian General & one of the bad guys in the back of the truck (about 1 hour 15 minutes in) & I'm sure the gun that the General threatens him with is a Steyr GB pistol, he also uses it to shoot at the approaching helicopters, could someone else confirm this & update the page?

== Empty firearm ==
In some films you see that when a gun is fired, the chamber clicks empty but the slide doesn't lock back and I was just curious as to how they manage to do that?
:If it's showcased in a film, then it was intentional. Many directors who are unfamiliar with guns will use that action to indicate that a gun is empty.
:'''''Scene:''' Bad guy points pistol at face of good guy. It is a Beretta 92FS. He pulls the trigger dramatically. "click" nothing happens. Bad guy has panicked look on his face. "Click" "Click"! as he continues to pull the trigger. "Aha!" yells the hero as he swats away the empty gun and punches the bad guy in the face.'' DOH!
:It's done via editing. I seriously doubt most directors would end a gunfight with the phenomenon of a dud round (though dud rounds have appeared in the storylines of some shows). Or a bad primer. Or a worn or damaged magazine which does not engaged the slide lock. Or a worn or damaged slide. But seriously, anyone who fires a gun can pretty much tell when it's empty and devoid of rounds, unless it's not their gun and they're completely unfamiliar with it. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 18:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Bad magazines...its not the desired option on semi-autos.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== glock variants ==
i just wondered, is a Glock 19 the same as a Glock 23 with the exeption of the caliber?

Yes

==Main Page error==
Has anyone ever gotten this error before? This happened to me many times. During this error, I cannot go to any pages unless there are links on a page and I'm logged out and I can't log in. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 13:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Mainpageerror.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

: I have had this happen to me, too. I am running up to date Firefox. It´s a rather odd error, really. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:I've encountered it as well. I usually run IE as my browser, and it sometimes carries on when I go through Google Chrome too. Tends to be accompanied with a fair amount of lag as well when it occurs. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 06:26, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

:I've never had this error before, but I only update or run programs if I have to. It's running on bare bones only. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 20:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

- I had this error as well Friday evening (running FireFox), but as we had a badass lightning storm that probably played havoc with the signal, that ain't too surprising (Lag/connection issue, like Orca alluded to). But I can't speak for you other guys, though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Page Format Change? ==

I recently noticed that the page justification seems to be locked down, making actor pages with the table format seem particularly squashed if there's a lot of information. Is there a reason for this? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 05:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Here's an example:
[[Image:Actor Page Format.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Before, the page would stretch down to fill out the entire screen, but now it seems to stop in the middle.

:- I also have that same issue, though my screen hasn't lost that much, in which case I'd say it's locked at a particular resolution (1024 I'd have to figure, based upon my own display res). Not to mention it's also present here on this talk page and other pages as well. I too wonder what that's all about. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 13:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

::Might be for the upcoming ad test on IMFDB. will have to wait and see. If that is the case the we will have to change the layout on the pages to something more standard.--[[User:Phoenixent|phoenixent]] 16:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
==best guns for an assassin==
what would be the best guns for an assassin????
:That would depend on the situation he's in. Is the the assassin shooting from a distance? Sniper rifle then. In a place where there are other people around that could hear a gunshot. Suppressed small caliber handgun. You should also remember there is a million and one ways to kill someone. A gun is just one of tools to use.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 13:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Choice guns for an assassin:

-H&K USP
-H&K Mk. 23
-Any Glock models
-Agent 47's AMT Hardballers
-Walther P99
-Walther PP or PPK
-FN FNP-45 or FNP-49
-FN Five-Seven
-Colt M1911
-Para-Ordinance P14-45 or P18.9
-Kimber Warrior
-Colt M1911 or Variants
-Beretta 92, 81, or 84
-Browning Hi-Powered
-Ruger Mk. II (Best Bet)
-Browning BDA
-Luger Or High-Standard if your old-school
-Makarov
-SIG P220, P226, P228, P229
-Steyr M9 or GB
-These are some of my personal choices, feel free to comment.
I understand that, but I was looking for something more precise, like in "Assassins" they make a big deal about using those Ruger .22, but in "Collateral" the hitman uses a H&K .45 (well, he also use a Ruger .22), in "The Replacement Killer" the killer is into Berettas 92f, but what would be the perfect gun for a profesional, smart and effective assassin??????

It's hard to say if their is a "perfect" assassin's weapon because people will always have opinions, but the Ruger Mk. 2 is definitely a Top 5, look up a video of a supressed Mk. 2 and you'll see what I mean. I would have to say that either a .380 or .32 pistol for stealth but .45 or 9mm for power. [[Czar]]

:In films like you mention, it's going to depend on what the writer or director chose to use. (Whether it was the ideal choice is another matter.) In Collateral he uses the H&K for the most part because noise isn't an issue and the .45 is a good round. He uses Ruger .22 only when in a restaurant. In the nightclub there's lots of people around, but he could get out with the crowd. The target also had several bodyguards. In the Replacement Killers the 92F was most likely chosen because Chow Yun-Fat used them in his prior films and knew how to handle them. There is no one gun that is the "perfect gun for a professional, smart and effective assassin." Since you're talking handgun distances there's too many good guns to choose from. Go with whatever you feel like in your story (I guess and hope that's the reason why you asked). If I had to choose I'd go with the 1911. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 12:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Agent 47 all the way, AMT Hardballers with optional longslide and supressor. More seriously, I guess a pistol like a Hi-Power or a Beretta 92 with a supressor would be good for closer range killings. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 14:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank ypu guys, Predator, I'm a scriptwritter, I don't own a gun and I don't want to kill anyone, so don't worry. I just like good assassins in movies, what about a H6K p7m8?????, It's such a compact gun for a 9mm, I always thought it was kind like a tactic gun, isn't it????? why Swat teams are into Kimbers?????
:Do you not speak English or are you just a kid? You grammar is terrible and with some many question marks at the end of your sentence, you must be a 12 year old or someone under 15. Also, it's very simple why SWAT like Kimbers, they like 1911s in general for its reliability. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Excalibur, English is not my first language, so I'm sorry that my grammar is so terrible, but I'm glad that the people here know what I mean, and BTW I'm 30 years old, not 12 or 15....

You can't errase the serial number of a Glock, so that make it a bad choice for an assasin, what do you people think????

Still thinking in the perfect gun for an profesional assassin (don't worry, I'm a scriptwriter, I don't own a gun and never shotted anything). Now I'm thinking that a 9mm compact is a good option, but it have to be alloy, steel or metal frame, not polymer, so you can errase the serial numbers, high mag capacity and it have to be in production. What would you recomend? I will love it to be a H&K P7M13, that is the perfect gun, a beauty, but is not currently under production and it will impossible to get a "clean" one. (Lenny)

== Listverse.com ==
Here's a cool little list I found on The List Universe.com about the 10 greatest firearms in history.

http://listverse.com/2009/10/07/top-10-greatest-firearms-in-history/

not such a good list IMO. Where is the Sturmgewher 44? Basically started the assault rifle revolution? The Winchester M1873 (they didn't call it the gun that won the west for nothing) sure the Henry was first, but the Winchester set the standard. [[Special:Contributions/65.29.239.251|65.29.239.251]] 06:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

well, they can only fit ten in. [[User:jackbel]]

heres another one I found on that site: 10 greatest firearm designers.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 02:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

http://listverse.com/2010/05/23/top-10-greatest-firearms-designers/

== This is ridiculous...==
anybody else think that the amount of pages slated for deletion is absolutely absurd and unneccesary?

We're cleaning out the pages that are either not good enough or not supposed to be on the wiki. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 22:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I am only restoring some of the pages that look like there was some work put into them. These can still be deleted, but I just want make sure that's what the consensus is. This is probably going to be discussed in the forum. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 01:06, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

: I made a note about the 'Documentary' matter in the discussion for the [[Mail Call]] page earlier. In any case, I'm sure the admins will let us know what will happen about all that in due course. Other than that, almost all the other pages slated for deletion are piss-poor pages that should indeed be in the Delete category. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Reviewguy/girl ==
So, did the search pay off? Do we have our own movie reviewer? What's the deal anyways? Just curious :)--[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

:- I almost forgot about that.. Well, indeed, what of it? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 21:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:: Are we gonna get a section for film reviews? If so, are the reviews gonna be the "normal" kind (what we see in the papers, tv, etc.) or are the reviews gonna emphasize gun use/usage in films?

== A Question ==
How do I submit a quote from a movie so it will appear on the Featured quotes section? [[User:jackbel]]

: Go [[Template:Quote|here]] and simply edit it in according to the template. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 05:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

well, how do you submit screencaps to the featured movies section? [[User:jackbel]]

: [[Template:FeaturedArticle|Click]]. Add it according to the template. If you are unsure of how it will look, try it out on the discussion page first. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 09:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Most Popular Gun? ==

I can't believe this hasn't been asked. So, Lets hear your views.

:- The top most viewed gun page on the site is the [[M1911 pistol series]] ‎(526,596 views), followed by the [[M16 rifle series]] ‎(420,778 views). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 20:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I actually meant popular by appearances. I've found out though [http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Special:MostImages here] that it's the Beretta 92FS. Strange how the Annihilator 2000 is 2nd though?!

:That's because it is the icon that appears in the banner at the top of a page that is incomplete.--[[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 11:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

:: Indeed, by the 'Linked most' attribute, the Annihilator image stat is misleading - Exclude the pages with the Incomplete template and it is certainly NOT the second most used gun image. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

== An urgent notice ==

If you see something that is wrong, PLEASE don't just say so, CHANGE it yourself.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Uh, I'm afraid that statement is a bit ambiguous and potentially misleading. We all have our own opinion on what we see is 'wrong' on a page, and based on my own personal experience, you ''don't'' make changes based solely on that. I believe what Jackbel means is that if you see something that you are ''certain'' is wrong/incorrect on a page, especially spoilers, spelling/format errors, obviously false information, or anything of that particular sort, then it's probably ok to change that. ''Otherwise'', it is probably better to make a note in the proper discussion page about it, especially if you're not absolutely certain, as the RS&P states. Not to barge in, but I just think that needed a bit of flushing out. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, no need to get so hasty --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 20:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: Sorry, I really wasn't trying to snob you man, but from what I gather, it's usually better for users to make notes and ask first about any serious or notable edits as many of the other members/admins find that less annoying than reverting bad edits - A note about that is in the RS&P. Again, not trying to snob you dude, Honest! :) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 22:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Facebook ==

We should totally have like a "recommend" or "like" buttons on the database... --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 13:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== Do firearms work in space? ==

Stupid hypothetical question, but was watching the most recent episodes of [[Stargate Universe]] and one character was carrying a [[Heckler & Koch UMP]] in a hard vacuum, zero gravity situation. This got me wondering, would unmodified firearms reliably operate in space? I can imagine recoil and blowback operated weapons working ok, but am not so sure about any gun that uses gas operation. Also, would the coldness of space cause problems for the rounds to go off, and if they did would the gun components fracture at this low a temperature (About -270 degrees Celsius for arguments sake). And then even if the gun did fire there would be the problem that it would then very quickly overheat, as there would be no air to cool it, not to mention the fact that any lubricants would either be frozen, or instantly vaporise in the vacuum. I know that there were experiments by the Russians putting a Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 (or NR-30) cannon into space and shooting down target satellites, but has there ever been any experimentation with regular small arms? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 16:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

definitely not, for the same reason that there can't be any explosions in space, because fire needs oxygen and theres none of that in space.--[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:Not true actually, all gunpowders and the majority of explosives do not require external oxygen to detonate, as they have an oxidant as part of the composition. How do you think a torpedo explodes? Or how a rocket can work in space? [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Firefly the series does a good job addressing that issue. i believe it was "Our Mrs. Reynolds".--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:I remember that episodes, and Jayne said Vera (his gun) needed air around her to fire, so I believe that this line was purely based on the misconception that bullets need oxygen to detonate. Or it could be that Vera is not a conventional weapon as we know it. [[User:Commando552|Commando552]] 22:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== The African Queen ==

Can someone do a page for [[The African Queen]] (1951)? I tried, but my DVD screwed up and I'd really like to see that film on this site. --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 19:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

== Not allowing PNG's ==

Someone noted that if we're discouraging uploading of PNG files, then it should be removed as an acceptable format on the upload page. This has been asked in the forum, but is there a way to do that? Is there a way to just restrict the uploading of files to just JPG's only? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Another question ==

Would whoever is putting screen used guns on their main page please stop? Screen used gun pictures belong in their discussion pages under "Additional Varients". --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 04:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

== Satchel charges ==

We've all seen these in movies or video games, or even on Mail Call with R. Lee Eremy. Designs and explosives charges vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, with field versions being cobbled together from whatever's on hand. But as far as the satchel charges built for use by the American military concerned, is there any information available on how they were made? Was there an official type of carrying bag that received a military designation and was ordered up under a governmental work contract? [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

== Colt Ad ==

haha, look at this ad for Colt from 1933 --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 22:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

:Works for me. Those prices really work for me. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 03:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

::I see someone else reads Cracked.com.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:04, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Colt ad.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

::You sure this AD is from 1933? 84 dollars for that Colt Woodsman translates into $1,390.00 in 2010 dollars. That Colt Officer's Model in .22 LR is priced $79.00 which is $1,310.00 now. Actually dollar for dollar, they are more EXPENSIVE relative to what people earned than today's prices. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I did a search in google, and I ran across two sources that say the ad is from 1939. If you run it through the inflation calculator though, the prices are still a bit high. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 21:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Tomorrow When the War Began ==

Hi, if possible could someone do an article on the Australian film Tomorrow When the War Began, it's pretty much the Australian version of Red Dawn but I'm not too familiar with the weapons or how to even create a page to do it myself, cheers.

The guns I saw used were the Fold stock AK-47's, AKM's, .22 Caliber rifles, a handgun I think to be is the H&K USP, some light Machineguns and the warhead's of the RPG-7. (I'm an American-Pinoy who watched it in NZ)

==Ban a Wangchao today?==
So how many Wangchaos do we have to ban? Some spammer is up to Wangchao58. He's like Doctor Who. He doesn't die. He just comes back as yet another incarnation. You know you haven't lived unless you've banned a user named "Wangchao_ _ "[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 08:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:i dont get to ban people. :( lol -[[User:The_Winchester|Winchester]]

==Ads now?==
Stupid question time: are the ads supposed to be here? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:10, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

: http://forum.imfdb.org/showthread.php?t=1232&page=4 --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 11:55, 3 January 2011 (UTC).

==So, two questions==

First of all, how do you upload pictures to this site, for those of us who are wiki-impaired. Secondly, I'm trying to start a page up for The Cape, that new TV series, and I wanted to know if anyone would be willing to help me, as it'll be my first page. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

: First go to the [[Special:Upload]] page. Click on "upload" and select the file you want to upload. Make sure that all images you upload are .jpgs, the .png format isn't allowed per the rules. Now, insert the name of the Film/Television Show/other Medium, that the page you are working on belongs to the Summary section like this: <nowiki>[[A-Team, The|The A-Team]]</nowiki>. Note that you can have the link display a different text than the one of the page you are linking to. The '''The A-Team''' for example is called "A-Team, The", but since that isnt exactly fun to read I used the | to put the "The" were it belongs. Then you need the appropriate category. These can be found here:[[:Category:Images]]. Insert them just like you inserted the title. Afterwards the only thing left is to upload the image. Once that is done, insert it into your page like this:

<nowiki>

[[Image:KingdomHK912.jpg|thumb|400px|right|Description]]

</nowiki>

:The first part is obviously your file name. Thumb forces the wiki to reformat it into a thumbnail of (here) 400 pixels. Instead of "right", there are also "left" and "center". But the only allowed page formatting is "left" for screenshots and "right" for the movie poster. Replace Description with an appropriate summary of the images contents. It´s also useful for inserting trivia notes and the likes.

: And as for starting your own page: Simply copy the basic layout from already existing pages and analyse what you see. [[Rules%2C_Standards_and_Principles|Rules, Standards and Principles]] also contains a lot of basic tips and guidelines that´ll help you get started. Once you feel like delving deeper into the wonders of wiki formatting: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki . I hope that helped. If you have any more questions, just put them up here on Talk:Main Page. The admins and mods usually give this place a lot of attention. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 06:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== What caliber is this? ==

Whilst capping for the [[Red Cap]] page I came across this shot of a L85A1 being reloaded on the firing range:
[[Image:L85a1_100_2.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Sgt McDonagh ([[Tamzin Outhwaite]]) reloads her rifle at the range.]]
Clearly the rounds in the magazine are neither live nor blank 5.56mm rounds, as they are rounded rather than spitzer bullets, and they are overall shorter/fatter. Also, there is some kind of spacer fitted at the front of the magazine to accommodate the shorter rounds. Regardless, the fact that it is firing a different round is bizarre to me, as have never heard of any SA80s firing anything other than 5.56mm other than a rare few converted to .22LR for training. Has anyone ever seen this type of round before, or explain why it is used in an L85A1? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 13:11, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

== television series from 1993 ==

in 1993 there was a television show starring Nick Mancuso.
He was a hitman with all kinds of cool looking guns, and he drove a corvette.
The show was called "matrix".
i am suprised to find nothing from that show here at imfdb.

-Max

::Why are you surprised Max? (1) the show has NOT been rebroadcast with any sort of regularity. Sure I used to watch it all the time when it was on and once during a Sci Fi channel run, but I haven't seen it since. and (2) It's not out on DVD. So exactly how are we supposed to do a page on the show? I for one would love to do pages on TONS of shows, but the jerks who own the rights won't release them on DVD. :( Shame. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 05:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, this show is not available on DVD. I believe that there's some clips on Youtube. Another interesting bit of trivia is that [[Carrie-Anne Moss]] was also on the show. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia on the Front Page ==

I just saw this bit of trivia on the main page today:

"... that a lot of television series substitute the M249 for visually modified Daewoo K3 machine guns? "

Shouldn't that instead read "...M249 _with_ visually modified Daewoo..."?

- Jeff
:I fixed it. --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 16:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
::Sweet deal. -Jeff

== Harrington & Richardson Pistol ==

I found this little pistol on Arundel Militaria.com, the site calls it a "Harrington & Richardson .32 Semi-Automatic Pistol", but doesn't give the exact name. Can anyone here tell me? --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 11:04, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:Harrington & Richardson.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/deactivated-guns/allied-deactivated-guns/deactivated-very-rare-harrington-richardson-32-semi-automatic-pistol/prod_969.html

:I believe it is just called a H&R Self Loading Pistol. Have seen it referred to as the "Webley Type", due to it being basically an American made version of the Webley and Scott automatic pistol. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:01, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Modern Warfare 3 ==

Just to let you guys know, www.findmakarov.com has appeared which contains a countdown, reportedly until the announcement of Modern Warfare 3 in 5 days time (Next Wednesday). --[[User:Ritch|Ritch]] 16:52, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

*It's a hoax. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 06:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::It isn't a hoax, but it isn't for Modern Warfare 3. It is apparently for a "Call of Duty inspired project" from a Toronto based group called ''We Can Pretend''. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 23:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sarah Palin's Alaska Shotgun? ==

What kind of shotgun was the one Sarah was shooting at the range with what I recall had a foregrip for the pump.

== Pig Hunt ==

i think this site should have a page for the 2008 movie, "Pig Hunt"

:If you want a page for it, make it yourself. This is a wiki, making pages is pretty easy if you put a little effort into it.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 04:02, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Signatures ==

Not to sound stupid, but what's the (MSK) in this --> [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] 06:44, 5 March 2011 (MSK) mean? It used to be (UTC) (whatever that means), and why does it say it's the 5th, It's the 4th where I am (GA). - [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]]

: ''MSK'' = Moscow Standard Time.'' UTC'' = Coordinated Universal Time. ''GA'' stands for the United States State of Georgia and is that states code used by the United States Postal Service. At least I think so. Basically it's the Time Zone you are in. '''Preferences -> Date and Time'''. --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 15:19, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

::Yeah, my timezone was set to "Other." Testing to see what it stamps this. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 15:26, 5 March 2011 (MSK)

== Problem ==

I'm having a problem with the site (it might be related to the new change, I'm not sure) but whenever I search for any Smith & Wesson, I get redirected to [[Smith]] --[[User:Jackbel|Jackbel]] 05:22, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

It works now. I just checked the search by copying and pasting what you wrote. It's good now [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 11:06, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

*Yeah, for a while yesterday it seemed "&" was an invalid character. Trying for any Heckler & Koch gun would land you on the page "Heckler," too. [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 11:56, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

: Problem still persists for me. Going to the [[Smith & Wesson Escort]] page always sends you straight to the page on [[Smith]] --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 17:41, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

::Looks like it's happening again. XM8 page was working earlier but now dumps me straight on "Heckler," and Kane & Lynch 2 to "Kane." [[User:Vangelis|Vangelis]] 18:01, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

Anyone else got the problem that the latest revision, discussions and whatever list is missing from the bottom of the main page? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 21:47, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

Yeah im missing it too, both physically and emotionally --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 23:16, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

==Deus Ex: Human Revolution==

Hi, fellas. Just want to ask you if this game could have its own page? (The first game's page has been deleted) This game features a modified hi-tech FAMAS, MP7 and some more weapons. The weapons look like in Crysis or F.E.A.R. 2 and since those games have their own page this game should also. (I guess I don't have to tell you the history and influence of this franchise compared to the "new kid" Crysis....) --[[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 20:28, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

== The New Website Layout ==

This new website layout is seriously screwed up, i cant get to any weapon pages with "Heckler" or "Smith & Wesson" in the name, whoever did this seriously needs to rethink it.....

==Upload?==

I cannot upload any images since the update... can anyone confirm?? [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 23:42, 6 March 2011 (MSK)

: I had that problem early on. I was first able to upload again around midday today (that's Central European Time mind you). --[[User:Milkovich|Milkovich]] 22:21, 7 March 2011 (MSK)

Talk:Burn Notice

2011-02-14T14:10:29Z

Captain Snikt:

==Lol Wut?==
Relocated this from the main page. It made even less sense before I cleaned up the spelling and grammar errors: "I know that in the new Burn Notice episode "Question & Answer," a thug uses a Colt Diamondback but I don't know how to add it. Will someone do it for me? It is "Double Down" look it up." Whatever, dood. --[[User:DOHC Holiday|DOHC Holiday]] 04:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

==Formatting==
This page's formatting was really atrocious, so I did quite a bit of editing. I really don't want to see that happen again, y'all.

Anyway, I have the Pilot episode of this show on my laptop now, so I will screencap it in the near future, and maybe buy some more episodes on iTunes for the other guns. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...I'm doing some work too and your kinda screwing up my practice here. No hard feelings, but i got it and you take it from here. (The Winchester)

:Oh, OK. Well, this page's formatting has actually been pretty bad for a while now. Anyway, for practice, I would recommend hitting the "Edit" button on other people's pages to study how formatting was done. I'm also in the habit of recycling my own code when it comes to inserting gun entries on a page (i.e. if I see a movie with an MP5A3, the first thing I do is go to a movie page I know has MP5A3s in correct format, cut and paste all of the text for the gun entry, paste it in my page, and edit the text as necessary to conform to my new page).

::yea, i've been doing that, but i think i'm starting to get better at it. Thanks for the advice though. -Winchester

::Hey what was the revolver used by the security guy to kill Chandler in the latest episode? It looks like a Smith and Wesson Model 29 but I'm not sure. MW

:Well, i have the 1st season on dvd and i could do it in the future. i have a few movies that im still committed to, so it might be a while. [[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]

A molotov cocktail isn't a firearm, so I've removed it. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 08:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I just finished watching the premier episode of Season 3 on USA and noted usage of an M4A1 and an M203 on the page. The 203 definitely wasn't a Cobray, but since it wasn't actually used, I figure it could most likely have been an airsoft version. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]]

WOWWWEEEE. I just did a ton of work on this. I made a bunch of errors because it took me like four hours, but I think I fixed them all. I apologize for the relatively low quality of my screen caps, but they are DVR downloads from TV, and not very high quality TV. Does anybody have the HD version? Or the DVD? --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:One more thing, there is a sniper rifle used by Fiona in one episode, that I can not put my finger on. Here is the image.
[[Image:BNfionaRifle.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Fiona shoots some dudes with some rifle.]]
--[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Looks to me like a Browning Automatic Rifle, that civilian one that's not actually the B.A.R.-protoAuthor

:I do in fact have HD versions of many episodes on my back-up external drive and have meaning to upload for a while, but right now, I'm juggling a whole bunch of different things (including IMFDB pages). At some point, I plan to do a huge re-vamp on this page (it was supposed to be BEFORE Season 3 started, but obviously, that didn't pan out for me). If you want a preview, take a look at some of the shots I've been meaning to upload but haven't gotten around to yet:

:[[Image:Vlcsnap-153758.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
:[[Image:Vlcsnap-409605.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]

:Also, a few other things: Please mention the episode beneath the screenshot, and name the characters/actors who use guns if you can. I use IMDB to make sure I have my info correct. For instance, the hijacker in Episode 2.07 (the guy with the nickel Jericho) is named Gerard and is played by [[Max Martini]] (same dude who's on "The Unit"). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

he played MSG. Mack Gerhardt in the Unit. he was also in season 2 or 3 of 24 (if sum1 has any screenshots, i believe he had a MP5.

:To whoever did the Steyr Scout, how'd you identify it as such, and the BAR maybe we should rephrase it to somethign like "not to be confused the the m1918 Browning Automatic Rifle" instead of calling it a civie version since they are two different firearms.-[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

:I'm beginning to think that the Steyr scout, isn't. The Barrel is not fluted and maybe a little thick, the bolt handle is different, and im doubting the reciever, and the stock is not a Steyr's. -[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::I looked at it again, you're right. I mostly guessed on that anyway. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]] 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoever put the gun that Michael used in the pilot episode to get rid of the drug dealer as a Jericho/Baby Eagle needs to get their eyes checked. That's definetly not a Jericho. I want to say it's a smith and wesson but don't know which model. Here's the image I got

[[Image:Gun pilot.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]

It is either a S&W 4006 or S&W 5906 because it exhibits the double stack bulge. I'm leaning towards the 5906 because of the hooked trigger guard.[[Special:Contributions/96.32.185.136|96.32.185.136]] 22:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm removing the ones that are under the Jericho section that are wrong. --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 00:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the party but that looks like a S&W 645 to me because of the exposed screws. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 12:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

== Fiona's assault rifle ==

I was looking for the model of Fiona's souped up assault rifle, that she stole from the gun-smuggler (after Michael poured gunpowder all over his face).

It can also be seen in Season 2 Ep 14 @ 40:00 - it kind of looks like an SG-500, but I don't think it is. Anyone got any ideas?

they assault rifle Fiona got from Seymour (arms dealer) was an M4A1 carbine with what appeared to be an Ampoint (possibly ACOG) anpeq-2 and some type of verticle grip. [[User:Dirtdiver6421|Dirtdiver6421]] 02:20, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== Sam's Rifle ==
In the season 3 finale, Sam uses an assault rifle with a scope to get the kidnappers onto a boat and help free Fiona. Since Bruce Campbell is left handed, he covers up most of the rifle when he's shown firing. It looks like an AR derivative, either an M16A4 or SPR. I don't think it's an SR-25. They took the episode down from Hulu so I can't get a screenshot of it.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 07:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Someone is dissing Bruce Campbell firing the MP5 PDW without using the sights. I just saw a show on Discovery channel about the Iran hostage crisis and it interviewed two former SAS operatives. Its standard for them to point shoot small arms with intense practice and instinct in close quarters. Afterall Sam is a former SEAL. --~~

==Mark 23==
thanks for the compliment to whoever took the screencaps I posted on HKpro.com forums for the Mk23 sub heading. Cheers!

==sig 226==

i am pretty sure the black sig in the first picture being held by the michael character is a 228, the barrel looks short and in a later episode he mentions the 228, it seems to be his prefered weapon, and i'm not sure but i think the third one is as well,

==Errors==
2 Errors of note: The Steyr is a Remington 700. The stock isn't even close, the barrel doesn't have the twist and the scout rail isn't present. It's not a ProHunter either.

The Winchester 1300's aren't either. Note the lack of v-shaped reciever. They're Remington 870 Marine Magnum's.

I don't think they're even real. They look more like airsoft. The barrels don't seem to be connected to the magazine tube, there doesn't seem to be a safety or a pump release in the places you'd find them on a 1300 or 870. also we cannot see the ejection port which helps matters a great deal. I'm going to watch the episode again when i get home and look again. I also don't remembering them actually firing but there being an effect in its place.[I would ad my signature but I haven't been able to access my account as of late, Mercer]

==Accuracy International==

During the episode "Double Booked" Michael apparently assembles an "AI AWC" but it has a standard Remington 700 bolt handle (flat and knurled), I think it appears to be a Remington 700 with AICS which does have a folding option, anyone prove me wrong? Update: I changed the name to reflect what this is.

== Desert Eagle ==

Added Desert Eagle to handgun list. Season 3 Episode 4 "Fearless Leader". --[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 17:44, 13 January 2010
(UTC)

== Beretta Tomcat==

In Season 3 Episode 8 "Friends Like These". Fiona uses a Beretta Tomcat on Natalie. Can anyone get a screenshot of this.
==SIG not Glock==
[[Image:BNglock19black.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Mike shoots at the hood of a car with another commandeered SIG.]]
This is not a Glock, look at the grip above Michael's hand. It's a Sig, though it looks too big for his 228. Maybe a 226?
This gun is a SIG non-gun. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 06:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Its a P226

==HK USP compact 45==
I deleted the bit about Fiona's walther ppk because it said that it was the gun Michael used to shoot Strickler. That is wrong Mike uses Fiona's HK USP compact and that is what she leaves at his house.

on the topic of HK USPs what kind is Seymour (arms dealer) seen using when he pulls it on Mike. the barrel looks to small to be a .45 but it appeared to be under HK USP .45

==Fiona's M1==
At the end of the episode when Sam is seen disposing of the weapons it is not a stretch to assume he kept some of them for their use, explaining where Fiona got the rifle.
''The M-1A is a Springfield Armory weapon designed for civilian use, because of this the rifle is much more likely to be the M-1A since it is a Civvie version. It is NOT an EBR (Enhanced Battle Rifle)the barrel is too long to be the EBR, which was designed for DMR as well as CQB. It is more likely the EMR (Enhanced Marksman Rifle) which has a longer barrel.''
 

:''The "Family Business" M-1A appears to be a SOPMOD conversion (note the slightly different stock and a lack of a front iron sight) instead of the EMR/EBR Fiona uses in "Turn and Burn."

==Fiona's rifle==
What is the rifle Fiona uses to shoot Carla with?

I think it's the BAR she used earlier in the series.
[[Image:BurnS2 2063.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
Doesn't BAR stand for : Browning AUTOMATIC Rifle? The rifle in the image clearly has a bolt handle. Rob the Fiend
it's a different BAR. Not the ww2 rifle

I know it's not the WW2 rifle, read this: http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=002B&catalog_=B

::You are right. Definitely NOT the BAR Safari, being that rifle is a semiautomatic and she does have a bolt action visible in the pic. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 17:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

==S3Ep13==
This is probably the best yet! Man Burn Notice is awesome. --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

== AWM Season 3 Episode 11 ==

Toward the end Fiona pulls out what I believe is an Arctic Warfare Magnum.

== Great show ==
I love this show. And Fiona is my ultimate dream girl. A knockout who you can take to the gunstore and range! But I wouldn't be able to use the old excuse of buying her a particular firearm knowing that she would never use it and I would. Not only would she use it she's probably break your arm if you tried to take it! What a woman.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Heh, right on. "Honey! I got you a S&W in .44! The recoil might be a bit much for you though, I'll just use it inste-*CRACK* AUUUUGHHGGGG!" --[[User:ManiacallyChallenged|ManiacallyChallenged]]

ha ha that funny . but id rather hang with michael . i like him . maybe pick up a few things . fight moves , learn to speak russian , and some super cool
spy stuff. im happy its on tonight. simmons 8492

== CZ 75BD ==

In season 3 episode 6 "the hunter" Michael and his new friend John Beck use a CZ 75BD pistol.
[[Image:Bn1.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn2.jpg|thumb|none|400px]] [[Image:Bn3.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

==BNS4==
Damn I love this show. Season 4 started out with a BANG!!!!! [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

damn right brother , i love this show so much . simmons 8492

==Khan's Gun==

what was kahn using in s4e2? im thinking fn fnp

[[ Image:Screencap.jpg|thumb|none|400px ]]

That would be a Walther p99AS in what could be a 9mm or a 40S&W. [[Spades of Columbia]]

: Nope. [[Smith & Wesson SW99]], with a titanium or hard-chromed slide. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 18:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

you are absolutely correct on that Sir, tip of the hat to ya, good eye on the front slide surrations. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==What are these==

these guns look really dressed up

[[ Image:Bns4.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

Heckler and Koch SL8 with suppressors

-Double Agent M

Whats with the bent up areas under the scopes

- Just a somewhat unconventional frame design.

[[Image:HK-SL8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Heckler & Koch SL8 target match with 10 round magazine - 5.56x45mm.]]

[[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

So...what was the Gun that Josh pulled on the crooked invester in the most recent episode? It was Sam's buddy that Michael dissarmed at one point.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Screenies [[Image:IMFDB1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Resized the screenies..]]

[[Image:IMFDB2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

I'm thinking a shiny Sig sauer p22xr?

looks like a non gun

Wow, fricking huge screens. It is neither a SIG or a non gun, but a Taurus PT940. Probably the same one used in the other bank episode.

Sorry for the huge screenies. From what i can see on taurus website they dont make the pt940 stainless with rail. Sure it could be aftermarket or the black could have been removed. But still the pt940 with rail has 2 notches in the rail and from what i can tell this gun dosnt. I am no taurus fan neither a taurus knower on the other hand.

It could be the 9mm version of the PT940. I think it is called the model 911 maybe? I know that the Taurus 9mm version comes with rails. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 12:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:It's a PT911 or 940 (more likely the 911). And yes, Taurus does make those pistols with rails now. Their web site may not be updated, but I just saw a PT940 with a rail frame for sale at a gun show last weekend. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:03, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

== Original CZ 75... ==

In Season 3 Episode 14, the Polish agent at the lighthouse pulls what I believe is an original CZ 75 (pre B). I don't know how to upload screen caps, but if someone else wants to confirm this, it's at 4:41 in the episode. - [[User:WATYF|WATYF]]

I'm sure it's a pre B, rounded trigger guard is a dead giveaway.

[[Image:Burn Notice S03 E14 CZ 75 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

--[[User:Noe|Noe]] 12:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

==S04E06==

Does anyone know what concealed carry pistol Buddy is carrying at roughly 8 min? I can't take screenies on this computer, they just turn out all black :<.

==S04E09==
Cohen or what the dudes name was, was holding a H&K P30 on Michael

== Breaking Up By Season? ==

The show has been renewed for 2 more seasons, so it may be time to break up this page by season. The only thing is that many of the same guns are used in every season. Thoughts? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 07:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally dont see the point of breaking it up into seasons. Most entries are marked with season and episode so if your wondering about a specific one most web browsers have a built in search function. On Opera and Firefox to open the search box just use Ctrl+F. Noe

== ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? ==
After Michael and Fiona get out of Seymours mansion after Seymour attacks them is the "laser targeting assist" she has on her rifle an ATPIAL/AN PEQ15? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

No one got an answer? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 17:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Remington 870==

wrong....I don't know what it is. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 14:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

How is that not a Remington 870? --[[User:ShootoutWithDave|ShootoutWithDave]] 15:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A few things have always bugged me about those guns. First, the barrel doesn't seem to connect to the magazine tube the right way. Second the safety and slide release seem to be missing. Third there is no clear view of the right side of the weapon so we cannot see the ejection port. And lastly, we never see them actually fire, the "water shell" is a practical effect, not a blank round. I would bet money they're airsoft. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 16:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Shotgun US Remington 870 'Tac Star' 12 gauge slide action shotgun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Remington 870 with pistol grip and vertical foregrip - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:BNshotgunCase.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Seymour proudly opens his case of customized shotguns.]]
[[Image:Burn 266.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
[[Image:Burn 267.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]

Something is off about them. The trigger guard doesn't look right either, the inside of them is too squared. Often times S&W 3000 shotguns are misidentified as 870s. But they aren't 3000s either. As [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] said probably airsoft.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- I could be wrong, but I've a pretty strong feeling that those are actually Ithaca 37s, or at least, fakes based off the Ithaca 37, anyway. The trigger guard looks awful close and if they're Ithacas/Ithaca-based, it would also explain the lack of side ejectors. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 19:43, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:- Pin placement is wrong for Ithaca, it mostly resembles 870 but is just not right. And it's not that the ejection port doesn't exist, it's that it's not seen. The problem that makes my say airsoft is that the weapon isn't seen to function in any way aside from the practical effect for the "water round." No blank fire or weapon cycling. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
::They look like nickel plated Winchester 1300 defenders with pistol grips and standard mag tubes. And I don't think they're airsoft, if you look down the barrel of one of them in the case, you see residue from firing blanks. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:: Winchester 1300 Defs? Bah, why didn't I think of that? [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
::- Not a 1300 either. 1300s have a single pin, and the safety button would be visible as would the slide release. And the "residue" could be just about anything, and I think its more likely to be from lighting. [[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 21:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

==Robert Patrick==

Robert Patrick uses the USP with the silver slide in the most recent episode. -- [[User:K|K]] 12:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

==Jessie's Rifle==

Anyone know what Jessie was using when he "shot" Micheal in the finale? --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Not a Remington 700? ==

Is this not a Remington 700? --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 04:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:BNassassinRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Evelyn the assassin ([[Lucy Lawless]]) adjusts the scope on her Remington.]]
[[Image:BNassassinRifle2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A view of the other end of the Remington: the end you would rather be behind.]]
I don't think this is correct, at least based on the picture of the 700PSS provided. Look at the bolt handle, not what on a factory Remington 700. And the stock is too glossy and smooth looking to be a tactical rifle

== H&K P30 or HK45? I think this gun is misidentified. ==

This looks more like a Heckler and Koch P30 than an HK45. They are very similar looking except the external safety on the HK45, the bottom of the magazine is different, and the HK45 is larger.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/4/41/BurnS4_309.jpg/500px-BurnS4_309.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/c8/HH45.jpg/400px-HH45.jpg

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/12/HK-P30.jpg/350px-HK-P30.jpg

(I tried to post the pictures but couldn't get it to work). Notice the difference in the bottom of the magazine. The HK45 is also a full-size, the P30 is a compact. Notice the slight difference in the length of the slide. The gun in his hand looks more like a compact, and the slide looks shorter than the HK45. I'm new, so I'm not going to change anything myself. Just a suggestion.

SnakeDoc

Its definately A P30.. you can tell by the trigger guard

== New sidearm for Weston in Season 4? ==

The attached picture from Burn Notice may show Weston carrying an HK P30 9mm. (Again, I can't figure how to embed the picture).

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/113/1135169/burn-notice-20101117073255292_640w.jpg

It is a publicity still from the latest episode (aired in late November). If I recall the episode correctly, he drew the gun on his own (didn't recover it from someone else) and used it to shoot a fake chemical weapon cannister filled with tear gas and pesticide.
It looks like an H&K to me ... too small to be an HK45, not square enough to be a USP Compact. I'm pretty sure it isn't Weston's usual Sig, though I am unsure if it represents a permanent change in sidearm of choice.

Hope not, SIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HK, like is way better.

Its definatetly a P30. Personally i think a new gun would be good the P228 is outdated and is used by everybody in most T.V shows so a new gun like the P30 would be good.. OR stay with Sig and get the P229 E2

honestiy , i like the P228 with him . its been with him since the pilot so i say , if it aint broke dont fix it simmons 8492

Its his signature weapon, seriously signature weapons cant be changed.

:Yep, it's official: Michael Weston has switched to the H&K P30 as his new sidearm. I was a bit disappointed, as I hoped he would just get a newer SIG (i.e. the P229R, SP2022, or P250), but P30 it is. I figured it was inevitable at some point he was gonna switch sidearms. Actually, I'm surprised he had the 228 for as long as he did, considering the assortment of new(er) pistols that have been used by other characters on the show (like the Walther PPS, FN Five-Seven USG, and Springfield XD, among others). I would have figured it's a rule in Hollywood that the protagonist always has to have the best gun. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

XD was only briefly shown in one episode, I believe 5-7 was too. Look at Sam, conealing a beretta the whole series, Fiona likes her ppk and michael had a SIG. Now I have to see a HK.......Sigh. A PPS may be a better choice for a new gun for Fiona. And the 92 is a beast, maybe something SIG sized for Sam would be appropriate, hes also a former seal so it would make sense.

: Signature weapons can change occasionally. Jack Bauer switched from a Sig to an H&K USP Compact between Seasons 2 and 3 of 24 (he used the USPc for the remaining seasons). I don't mind the change. I actually like the P30 quite a bit personally, so its good to see it getting a bit more publicity. -- SnakeDoc

I hate HK, I mean, a rail that only takes their special accessories, instead of a standard rail everybody else uses, since there you know, too good for a streamlight or what not, and they got a mag release on the trigger guard instead of the grip. The sig is compact, accurate, reliable, and has the ergos right.

-k9870

: The P30 has a standard rail.

-looks like the 228 is back in the finale ;)

Agreed the Sig is back for the finale show down... I agree i'd love to see him make the practical and logical step to a Sig P229R DAK... because in a adreneline situation who wants to remember long pull short pull---ST0NEFIELD

== Pistol in S04E15 "Brotherly Love" ==

Did anybody notice the gun that Michael gave to Sam in the loft, the one that he said that Fiona had modified to fire 3-round bursts? It only showed it for a second, so I didn't get a good lock at it, and I was just wondering if anybody here did and recognized it --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

HK VP70, I think. He probably meant Fiona altered it to fire burst without the stock attached.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 07:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that does indeed look like what I saw. Never even heard of that pistol before, and I consider myself somewhat of a gun nut, so it's cool to learn about a new gun. It's kind of neat how they build the selector switch into the stock mount. Thanks for the info! --[[User:THizzle80|THizzle80]]

== Mike's Holster ==

Anyone have any clue what holster Mike uses? You don't get a lot of good looks at it, but you get a fairly good one in Season 1's 'Unpaid Debts', when he's walking away from the screen after they kidnap the brother of the pimp. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 09:32, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

==Jesse's Rifle==

Okay, dont attack me for this but i think in season 4's guilty as charged Jesse is using a HK416. Look at the gas black, Hk front sight and the lower side rails. With all the othe Hk love in series 4 it wouldnt be too abnormal to have a 416 turn up --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 14:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-08T12:15:59Z

Captain Snikt:

I changed the trench gun entry as it is used by a character called Dum Dum Dugan. He is played by Neil McDonough of band of brothers, on another note im so glad Cap is acking a 1911 as his sidearm--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Captain America wouldn't be American if he didn't pack a .45 --[[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]] 14:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I also think the rag tag group of allied troups with the 'custom' weapons are the howling commando's but thats probably for a geekier site--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:If that is Dum Dum Dugan then it is the "Howling Commandos". Whether or not Nick Fury makes an appearance is the other question. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 11:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Fury is listed on the cast as Jackson has signed for a 9 picture deal with marvel but i dont think we'll be getting sgt fury tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 12:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

It has been confirmed by the producer that the Howling commandos do feature, and confirmed that Gabe Jones (I believe played by Derek Luke if the rumours are correct) will make an appearance in the film. I would guess that the guy next to Cap with the Thompson is Dino Manelli, and strongly suspect that the guy in the beret with the Sten is Percival "Pinky" Pinkerton. EDIT: Don't think it is Pinky actually, as Union Jack is in the film played by JJ Field, so I reckon they have amalgamated The Invaders and The Howling Commandos. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:And the Asian guy with the knit cap carrying the custom gun is Jim Morita. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 12:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::the CHARACTER's name is Jim Morita, which would probably imply that he is a Nisei (Japanese American GI fighting in Europe). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

If i remeber correctly he was the leader of a Nisei squadron till he joined Fury's howling commando's --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 01:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The one next cap holding the Thompson is Bucky. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-08T01:12:02Z

Captain Snikt:

Talk:Machete

2011-02-07T17:17:16Z

Captain Snikt: /* Sartana's Glock */

I am not good at all with names. Be gentle [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 01:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Prop gun ==

It looks like underneath all that prop is some kind of AR-15 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... my brother thinks it an Remington ACR. I think it looks like an insane prop Browing M1919 [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 02:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

::Definitely an AR-15.-protoAuthor 03:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, AR-15. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 12:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

That is not a WALTHER P99!...come on! that is totally a Walther NightHawk on the table with all the toy junk on it.[[Spades of Columbia]]

Does this sight allow BB gun on the main page?

Definitely a BB gun. Here is a link to a "weapon" exactly the same as the one pictured. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

http://dvice.com/archives/2008/04/walther-nightha.php
Thank you for finding that, i was positive that was the NightHawk. [[Spades of Columbia]] 15 may 2010

==Lohans Revolver==
From the size and 5 chambered cylinder i'd say lohans revolver is a Smith n Wesson 500 - CaptainSnikt

It is a S&W 500. when they do the freeze frame on her there is a better view of it.[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Oh yeah, when they freeze oh her licking it? Heh, I'm pretty sure i saw Don Johnson packing a 1911 variant - Captain Snikt
==Engraved Series 80==
The engraved nickel 1911a1 doesn't need the last line implying a different frame from the stock gun. The Colts with the large roll mark saying MKIV Series 80 had the arched mainspring housing and short trigger exactly as this pistol appears. This is how the full size Colts were made in the 80s.

The CURRENT Colt Series 80s have the flat mainspring housing and the long trigger, I think that is where the confusion is coming from.

The pistol in the picture does not appear to be modified in any way (except for the engraving of course.) The last line in the description that says "''Though the slide is marked "MK IV Series 80", it appears to have been a standard M1911A1 frame''" should be deleted. This is a standard Colt Government Model made in the 1980s. -[[User:Zenner22]]
::Cool! Thanks Zenner22. Though I photographed the actual gun used by Robert DeNiro, I did NOT write that section. I don't know who did, but I didn't contest it because I always defer to people who know MORE about M1911s than I do. If this is indeed the case, you have the right to edit that information to correct it and provide an explanation here. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
:::I could have swore that same engraved Series 80 was used on an episode of the TV series The Good Guys.--[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 00:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

==New Images==
Guys, can someone put some new screencaps from the redband trailer, and upload the new images that have been appearing in the las few months,i can't upload the my screencaps of the trailers because they are awful. --[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 23:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

:I just watched the red band trailer and it looked like Danny Trejo was using either a Smith & Wesson model 66 or 686 but their are too many quick cut scenes to tell for sure. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 05:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

anyone else see the awesome promo still of Tom Savini with a USAS 12?
http://www.shockya.com/news/2009/10/25/tom-savini-photo-from-machete/

One trailer I saw showed Jessica Alba's character using a Glock Pistol, most likely a Glock 17.

==Machete==
Just got home from seeing it. Theres quite a bit of gun porn in it. I believe I saw a USAS 12 a lot of different 1911s, a spas 12, an mp5k, and maybe a couple more

Yeah, I noticed several of those too, one guy had an MP5K-PDW, and I think I saw a Mk. 23 as well. Oh, also, in the first scene of the movie, some of Seagal's henchmen are carrying some sort of AKs or AK knockoffs.

:Just saw it myself. It seems everyone in the film uses a stainless 1911 at some point. Also, I noticed during the credits that this film (unlike many) actually gave its armourer a credit. I think his name was something like Steve Gilbert but don't quote me on that.-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

== Okay, two things ==

First of all, the double barreled sawn-off doesn't look like a twelve gauge to me. The barrels look much too large for a twelve, though it might just be perspective. Also, why would anyone need a compensator for a .22? [[Special:Contributions/67.191.192.233|67.191.192.233]] 00:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Bump-firing with a extended magazine? [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 00:21, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
::.22's may be small but in a pistol they still have some muzzle flip, so a compensator can be used to make the pistol pretty much completely recoiless, which is very useful when target shooting when you have to drill the same target multiple times quickly.
: Are you talking about the P22? Because all the compensator really does is lengthen the barrel, enabling you to actually shoot it with some amount of accuracy-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 15:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Mossberg thinks that a .22 semi auto kicks alot apparently.http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?ID=30&section=products--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 17:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

==Sartana's Glock==
I saw the movie today and when Sartana ejects the magazine from her Glock you get a clear shot of the bullets in it and they looked alot like .357 sig rounds. So i was thinking that her Glock may be a Glock 32. Anyone else see it yet? [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]
:Even if it were a .357 (a fact of which I am unconvinced) her pistol looked full-sized to me which would make it a Glock 31 not a 32. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Maybe Danny Trejo's hands made it look smaller to me, because I thought it looked sub-compact. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Were you looking at the frame or the barrel, because from the length of the barrel it is definately not a sub-compact. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

She has small hands so it still looks subcompact to me. It probably is a 9mm though considering it's a movie. I think she should have been carrying a SIG-Sauer P229R. That's what ICE officers carry. --[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

As you cant read 19 on the pic below (all i can read is just a '2') I want to say its a 32. Im sure i remember it saying 32 or 357 on a close up when the pistol is lying out of reach afters she spends the night with machete--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 17:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Promo pics don't always use the same guns, but Jess has a Glock 19 in this pic. Compare from there. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 19:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Machete Promo.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==USAS-12==

Do you think it should be mentioned that although it's a shotgun, it sounds like an assault rifle (error in sound editing, I'm guessing) when Osiris is firing it in the church? May help to clear any misunderstandings.. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 23:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

==another S&W 500==
[[Image:Machete-500.png|thumb|none|500px|]]
the porting makes me think of a S&W 500. --[[User:Schwert|Schwert]] 14:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-07T12:25:25Z

Captain Snikt:

Talk:Red (2010)

2011-02-07T08:43:42Z

Captain Snikt: /* Unknown Under Barrel Revolver Attachment */

What's that chunky anti-material rifle hanging up in John Malkovic's gun-den? Looks to me like a Steyr 50HS, except with a custom scope?? - Bigchiefreefa

I think it might be an AR-50. The one in the movie has the same horizontal grooves as an Ar-50. Also, the rifle in the movie doesn't have a magazine. The Ar-50 is a single-shot .50cal. I think it's one of the two. -Dr. Feelgood

==Anyone know what this is?==
I don't know power tools so I need help ;) mpm What is Malkovich holding and loading?

It's for punching concrete nails. You insert .22 blanks, and it pressures out nails with a sabot. --[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 18:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
::I KNEW it was some sort of hammer, but do you know which one?

It is a HILTI DX 460-F8. http://www.hilti.de/holde/page/module/product/prca_rangedetail.jsf?lang=de&nodeId=-69275

[[Image:Tool.jpg|thumb|none|500px]]

Yahoo movies just released a new trailer that shows some more guns and better angles on the ones we already know. Just FYI.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 18:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

fitting for a character that act crazy to be using a nail gun

He's not using the nail gun as a weapon but too bolt down the .50 tripod and in the above pic is preparing to fix the mechanism that holds the trigger down. --[[User:Sidewinder Forge|Sidewinder Forge]] 08:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

==KARL URBAN'S SIG 226 SPORT ==

Though at first sight I had hoped for a custom comp'd 1911, I realized that he was holding a Sport. Again, I could be a little off, but take a look for yourself.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2815066112/tt1245526

--[[User:Gwhysow|Gwhysow]] 18:42, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

That it correct...it is a Sig 226 Sport or the 220 sport.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I think I see double stack bulges in the grip making it the P226 Sport but I can't be sure.

:I dunno, I mean, yes it appears to have double stack bulges, but the bore diameter looks far too large to be 9mm, not to mention that his compensator is much longer than the one in the P226 Sport picture.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 15:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The pistol is a 220 sport, and not a 226, because of the features of the compensator and muzzle diameter.

:Saw this last night, definitely a P220 Sport, there are no bulges on the frame.--[[User:Pølaris|Pølaris]] 17:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

== Helen Mirren's Sniper Rifle ==

Anyone know what it is? You see it briefly when she makes the "girl time" remark in one of the trailers. I think it may be something like a Mk12 or maybe an M4 with a sniper scope. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

You get a much better view of it in the newer trailer. I'd dump a screen-shot in but I'm at work and don't have access (damn you web marshall!). At a glance I thought it was either a modified M4 or an M16 SPR. But I could easily be well off the mark. Anyone (smarter than me) got a better clue? --[[User:bigchiefreefa|bigchiefreefa]] 12:30 26 Juy 2010 (GMT)
::It's a standard M16A4 style HBAR flat top upper with a GemTech Suppressor, standard A2 handguards with a Harris Bipod mounted and a CAA Sharp Shooting Stock on the back end. (edit) BTW, I got one of these with a CAA stock. Just have to make sure all the other details are correct before I photograph the gun. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:RED-M16Sniper01.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Helen Mirren with an M16A4 flat top HBAR rifle with a GemTech Suppressor, standard A2 handguards with a Harris Bipod mounted and a CAA Sharp Shooting Stock on the back end - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:RED-M16Sniper02.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Closer shot detailing the CAA Sharp Shooter Buttstock for the M16 - 5.56mm]]
[[Image:CAASharpShooterStock.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|CAA ARS Sharp Shooter Stock for M16/M4]]

== New Guns ==

I just saw an advanced free screening. I am going to add that there was an AKMS, an M240 with spade grips, a corner shot with a Glock (unknown model) and M68 Aimpoint, a regular P226 used by William Cooper's ([[Keith Urban]]) supervisor (movie name Cynthia), and either a p228 or p229 used by the secret service agents. Also am M26 Taser, and either an M21 or M14 on John Malkoviche's character's safe house (only saw the left side). It's late and I'm tired, just putting this up so I don't forget tomorrow.--[[User:Gunkatas|Gunkatas]] 03:14, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

in one of the trailers I think I saw some one holding a corner shot.

== Guns used to shoot up Frank Moses' house in Ohio ==

In the db, it was stated that maybe a PKM was used. I thought it looked like a M249 with the handguard removed. It definitely had a different bipod than on the PKM. The bipod looked like it was from a Barrett M82A.

It looks to feed from the right, and the M249 dosn't do that dos is? As far as I know, only Russian guns feed from the right.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 22:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The barrel alignment isn't right for a PKM. [It's either an [[RPD]] with no foresight or an [[M60]] with no foresight or handgaurd-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

I think its an [[RPD]]. maybe?

It might also be the [[FN MAG]] in the weapons cache.

PKM? In the film, the machine gun feeds from the right and has the charging handle on the right side. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I saw a pretty good still of the reciever of this weapon and it looks like a PKM reciever. It has that large drop forward of the ammo feed and what looks like rimmed cartridges and a skeleton buttstock and nondisintegrating belt feed.

[[Image:PKM-mg.jpg|thumb|none|400px|]]
[[Image:Red 302.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

It is a PKM machine gun modified with accessories from Blackheart International (http://www.bhigear.com). They purchased 2 accessory kits from us to modify PKM's. We did not get to see the final modifications they did to the PKM, but as you can see from the movie screenshot above, they cut off the fron sight.

[[Image:BHI-SOPMOD-PKM.jpg|thumb|none|800px]]

:Thanks so much for that info! Really cool! -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:26, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

== .45 acp appeared to be a Para ==

When Moses goes into the Russian Embassy, he hands over his pistol to those left in car, it seemed to me to be a Para or Kimber, hard to tell but it did have a stamp of some large sort on Slide? just a thought? Notice Skeletonized Hammer for one. Ambi-Safety for 2.

== Helen Mirren ==
I think it was on Entertainment Tonight, yes I watch it, that Mirren mentions the weapons training she had to go through in order to be allowed to handle loaded firearms. As a side note, one of my fav weapons related moments in this movie was when Malkovich reverently kisses an SMG and says "Swedish K, now that is exciting." --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 16:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

:I think the Carl Gustav M45 was a favorite with special forces in the 1960-1970s

Also regarding Helen Mirren:
She performs the HK slap like a pro during the scene with the MP-5Ks. Awesome. --[[User:rlapid2112|rlapid2112]]

==Questionable sources==
[[Image:Red_Unknown.png|thumb|none|500px|]]
I'm removing this screencap from the actual page, since it looks like it was jacked from an illegal copy, most likely a bad cam version. This should also be removed from here later. We can't go around taking screencaps from dvdscreeners/cams/telesyncs(=crap) beacause if some studio boss sees this they're gonna be all over this page. You should wait for the BLU-Ray/DVD to be released. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 18:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The Colt MK IV Series 80 is not used by former CIA operative Frank Moses. '''He used Para 1911 GI Expert.'''

I'm sure for 100%.
::The only thing potentially disproving this is the the ambidextrous safety. The GI Expert lack that. Unless an armorer for the film claims he added an ambi safety for the piece, I'm not 100% sold. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Well, Bruce is a well known south paw so it could be likely that a good armorer would be prepared for this.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 22:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

How can it be that para when it clearly does not say GI Expert on the slide? Look at the last pic. Nothing on the slide.
:You can make out the stamp on the slide actually if you look closesly. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

No you cant make out any lettering on the weapon. [[User:Gunman2006|Gunman2006]]

==Joe Matheson's 1911==
Joe Matheson's ([[Morgan Freeman]]) 1911 is listed as a GI Expert Para-Ordnance likes Frank's. I'm unsure if it is, but I found this pic on IMDb:
[[Image:RedM1911MorganFreeman.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note this 1911 is single stack stainless with pearl grips and a suppressor.]]
Unsure if it is a GI Expert or not, but I'm unsure of the make. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

== Reference ==

I have not seen the movie, so I don't know if it's already been said, but the screencap below reminds me of the incursion of the ESU in Leon.
[[Image:Red 208.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Red (2010).]]
[[Image:Leon185.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Leon (1994).]]

Or am I wrong?--[[User:Charly Driver|Charly Driver]] 13:37, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

the mook from red is falling backwords after being shot. the mook for Leon has he hands up because Leon took him hostage

coincidence since a lot of movies and shows tend to copy off of each other in terms of shots [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 04:21, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Milkor MGL? ==

In the "Hidden Cache of Weapons" part Charon68 mislaved a granade launcher as a Milkor MGL, I'm 103% sure is the same DefTech prop from The Incredible Hulk. Here, compare

Incredible Hulk:
[[Image:Vlcsnap-183240.jpg|thumb|600px|none|37mm barrel, full stock, chubby RIS handguard.]]

Red:
[[Image:Red 303.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none|Same full stock and fat RIS handguard.]]

--[[User:Yocapo32|yocapo32]] 00:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

== Unknown Under Barrel Revolver Attachment ==

When the team are in the woods (I won't go into details for spoilers sake), John Malkovich's Smith and Wesson has some sort of underbarrel attachment. It's not just a flashlight mount (that's sort of on the side), this looks more like some kind of single shot shotgun barrel, like a mini M203. Any ideas?

[[Image:Revolver_attachment?.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none]]

[[Image:Revolver_attachment? 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|none]]

--Cole Thorton 26th January, 2011

There is a clearer shot of the bottom pic in this months empire magazine and you can see a flashlight to the left side of the pistol and youre right, what can only be descrided as a shotun barrel underslung the revolver. I have no idea what it is tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:39, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2423227904/tt1245526

Clearer pic at link --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Red (2010)

2011-02-07T08:39:04Z

Captain Snikt: /* Unknown Under Barrel Revolver Attachment */

Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-07T08:32:55Z

Captain Snikt:

Talk:Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-07T08:30:44Z

Captain Snikt: New page: I changed the trench gun entry as it is used by a character called Dum Dum Dugan. He is played by Neil McDonough of band of brothers, on another note im so glad Cap is acking a 1911 as his...

Captain America: The First Avenger

2011-02-07T08:27:51Z

Captain Snikt: /* Winchester 1897 */

Talk:12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun

2011-02-07T08:26:08Z

Captain Snikt: /* Firing both barrels of a Double Barreled Shotgun */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:CZ-584.jpg|500px|thumb|none|CZ-584 Shotgun - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Large2-uplander.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stoeger Uplander - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Baikal izh43.jpg|thumb|none|500px| Baikal Izh43 hammerless side by side shotgun - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:StoegerCoachGunWestern.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Stoeger imported Coach Western side by side shotgun with exposed hammers - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:Remington premier.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington Premier 12 or 20 gauge, or a combination.]]
With two barrels stacked on top of one another the O/U proved to be more accurate and effective at shooting airborne clay targets and bird hunting than a side-by-side.
[[Image:IMG 1298.JPG|thumb|none|500px|Samuel L. Jackon's cut-down CZ Redhead - 12 gauge O/U shotguns as used in ''The Spirit''. This image was provided specially to IMFDB by a source close to the movie's armorers.]]
[[Image:TOZ-34.jpg|500px|thumb|none|TOZ-34 - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:R VG BENTLEY CLUNN.JPG|thumb|none|500px|VG Bentley - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:hitphotogun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|This is a photoshopped image of what the Sawn-Off Over/Under Shotgun - 12 Gauge could look like, with the exception that the foregrip is still attached.]]
[[Image:Investarm12.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Investarm "Single Trigger" O/U Model Shotgun - .410 Gauge. This is not the model used in the film ''[[Eraser]]'', but very close.]]

Note: Most 8 gauge shotguns were NOT punt guns. 8 gauge punt guns were rare, and in generally had a MUCH LONGER chamber than the standard 8 gauge. I don't know why hunting regulations drew the line of 'too big' between 8 gauge and 10 gauge, but it is wrong to instantly call an 8 gauge a 'punt gun'

Unless someone objects in the near future, I will be editing out 'punt gun'

== Firing Sawn-off Double Barreled Shotguns One Handed ==

Is it possible in real life to fire a sawn-off double barreled shotgun one handed effectively and with out hurting ones-self?
:A 12 or 20 gauge is relatively controllable with one hand with only a little stout recoil, but if you went up to 10 or 8 gauge, it's more likely you're going to hurt your wrist or bruise your finger in the trigger guard from the recoil. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Assuming the lever that opens the breach doesn't drive into the web of your hand. Worst case scenario: severed thumb.
:::Ouch! Good thing 10 and 8 gauges are pretty rare now a days, well I should of mentioned 12 gauge do to it being the most common. Wow, I did not expect a sawn-off 12 gauge shotgun to be that easy to shoot one handed. So is shooting a sawn-off 12 GA shotgun with one hand similar to firing .44 Magnum revolver or of the like with one hand?
::::It's at most just a little more stout than a .44 Magnum. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
Are you sure? If experience with Snub-nosed revolvers teaches anything it's that shortening the barrel increases felt recoil. Given the recoil of a normal 12 gauge shotgun, I'd imagine a Sawn-off weapon would be a nightmare. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

==Over Under Shotgun in Call of Duty: World at War==

I don't ever remember an over-under shotgun being in this game. A side-by-side, yes, but no O/U. Someone may have gotten confused with Black Ops. Does anybody ever see an O/U shotgun in this game?

I'm calling confusion as well. No over-under shotty in World At War --[[User:HashiriyaR32|HashiriyaR32]] 15:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Firing both barrels of a Double Barreled Shotgun ==

Would firing both barrels at the same time really destroy a double barreled shotgun like some people said on this site? I would very much appreciate an answer from someone who actually knows what their talking about and not just someone assuming, thank you.

Ive fired both barrells at one on numerous occasions whilst clay pidgeon shooting and from berettas to webleys it has never once damaged anything but my aim --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 08:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Punisher: War Zone

2011-02-04T17:51:59Z

Captain Snikt: /* So? M4 or not? */

This is a quote from an interview with the military advisor of the film about how he outfitted Frank

"We used weapons based on need and back-story and nothing made up. All of the Punisher’s weapons currently exist and are being used in modern combat! The Punisher originated out of Vietnam, so his primary weapon in the film is an M-4 which he would feel the most comfortable with. To that I mounted a mini grenade launcher using thermo baric grenades for point detonations. I followed that up with the most powerful revolver on the planet, a Knight’s Armament/Smith&Wesson custom Model 500 .50 cal, in a breakaway leg holster as his back-up!
We created two fully automatic Beretta 92f handguns for close quarter combat.
In the opening of the film he uses ultra reliable H&K custom MP5’s in fully automatic that he carries in the small of his back, and for speed draws a H&K USP compact .45.
I also had a custom mini 13” Bolo machete combat knife created that he carries on a leg holster for hand to hand.
The result was modern weapons used in the modern time, but in full Punisher style!"
:Not a very good advisor, is he? The Smith & Wesson 500 is the most powerful production revolver, certainly not the most powerful on the planet. The .600 Nitro Revolver made by some guy that weighs about 12 pounds is the most powerful. Sounds like he's a little too excited about his decisions. Personally, this movie looks like it will suck, but I'll give it a chance. -GM
::The Pfeifer Zeliska .600 Nitro Express revolver is more powerful but it IS NOT a "production revolver" so sorry to break to you chief and your expertise.. but SW 500 "most powerful production revolver in the world today" so the Military Advisor is right.-D
:::You are aware I'm the one who said it's athe most powerful production revolver right? He said it was the most powerful in the world, but it isn't. I said the Pfeifer Zeliska was, but it isn't a production gun. Read more carefully next time. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
: Actually, in the comics Frank Castle states he hates the M16 and M4 rifles. He also always carries a m1911 and a pump gun in his coat and has a M249 on the backseat of his Hummer.-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

::For me, I might not watch this movie really because Thomas Jane isn't in it and it looks like a bad generic action movie. I like how the first one showed how the Punisher really can do things we believe, but the moment I saw the trailer of the Punisher dropping from the ceiling, and spinning around with double MP5Ks...it makes it look like the action style is trying to be John Woo, but even that is over the top. The weapon of choices they give the Punisher movie, in my opinion, doesn't fit for how the Punisher should be. I understand the M4 with the grenade launcher and even the USP as the backup, but apparently, he carries all that in one action sequence. Seems a little too much stuff to carry, but hey, I'll give this movie a chance to JUST because I have to really see it to really critize it. -Ex
:Full auto Beretta Inoxs are very tactically stupid. A S&W 500 is not a back up gun, it's a primary. You don't carry an ankle gun that can down a bear. Personally, I thought the original Punisher comics sucked ass, too "comics" like. Have you ever read a seventies comic? They are terrible. Like a bad '50s safety video. Personally I liked the "Welcome Back, Frank" story which the 2004 film was based on. Thomas Jane was going for the "descent into madness" sort of look like DeNiro in ''[[Taxi Driver]]'', which is an interesting idea (although the punisher should not be a physchopath, that's bad). Castle's attachment to 1911s was one of my favorite elements of the story. And my LEAST favorite part of the old comics was the costume. The new story made it a sweet T-shirt, this one brings out the lame ass tights. I just don't have much faith in it. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::Are they INOXs or 92FS? I tried to distinguish what I thought was right on the page, but why would they switch Beretta models like that?-UW

:I want to know who this military adviser for the film is and tell him that most of his suggestions for a modern day Punisher arsenal is very stupid. Except the M4 with the GL. The S&W 500 and auto Berettas dual wielding and dual wielding MP5ks while spinning from a chandelier is very stupid and he's watched too many John Woo movies and even John Woo never had his actors spin around a chandelier like that... [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 06:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I followed a lot of the details about this movie for a while before it came out. I think the military advisor was mostly responsible for teaching the handling of the weapons. While it's definitely possible he advised some of these weapon choices, it's more likely director Lexi Alexander made the final calls. I can't say I agree with her vision, but I enjoyed the film for its action and cheesy performances. The 04 version was a serious film that was marred by a lot of stupid stuff and a lack of action. The 08 version was a campy attempt that didn't even try to be serious but had the brutality that the 04 movie lacked. It's sad that a film hasn't yet been made that's done the Punisher justice. I don't know how to post pictures, but put Punisher revolver into a search engine and it will bring up the sweet Knight's Armament custom piece that was made for the final fight, no matter how impractical it may be. A lot of stuff in War Zone was done simply for the sake of theatrics. -- ZG

:::''(I followed a lot of the details about this movie for a while before it came out. I think the military advisor was mostly responsible for teaching the handling of the weapons. While it's definitely possible he advised some of these weapon choices, it's more likely director Lexi Alexander made the final calls.)''
:::Well said, and not to burst anyone else's bubble but the ARMORER or Military Advisor doesn't make the final call on weapons ... EVER. It's the director. Period. I've had to bite my tongue several times (as the other armorers here can attest as well) when a Director picks a weapon that I would not have. But it's their decision to make. So stop blaming the advisors or armorers, when it's probably the director you need to yell at. Just a note! :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

: ''The Punisher '04 was plenty bloody and brutal, better constructed and better acted. Tom Jane's Frank Castle, quite frankly, would stomp mudholes right into the Jason Voorhees wannabe that Ray Stevenson either chose to portray or HAD to portray. And frankly, no amount of theatrics can act as an excuse for the absolute tripe that went down in this movie. Seemed like the man was holstering and drawing his pistols every other kill; I'm sorry, isn't he supposed to be former frickin' Special Forces? And for all of the whole "We're more faithful to the comics" crap, I'm not seeing it. I can't remember a single one of the MAX comics being as horrible as this movie ended up being. Total dreck. And I've got a few choice words for the military advisor on the movie, but I'm afraid that they're not suitable for even this little corner of the Internet.'' --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 09:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The theatrics, I think, were just another one of the films downfalls. I agree the 04 version was better acted. As for the construction of the films...eh, I've got too many thoughts to list. I'm glad you liked the 04 movie. The fact that both films have so many fans AND detractors just means there's so much territory still to cover, though I think the fans have been part of what tears these movies apart. I'm much more lenient on the film because I have no definitive view of the Punisher and I really have no particular need for material to come directly from the comics. I think we need to step away from the comics and focus on what makes a good movie, instead. Though I was just thinking earlier that War Zone was so goofy and flamboyant, if they were going to drop the Punisher into the Marvel Universe with the likes of Spiderman and Iron Man, this would pretty much be the Punisher I would expect them to use.
:^Do we have comments from a film maker here? Please comment more. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

==They destroyed [[The Punisher]]==

The advisor said that the guns are full punisher style! Bullshit! they ruined the whole thing like the dropping from the ceiling with to SMGs part. And the real punisher doesn't use extremely modern looking weapons and dress up like that! This movie might have lots of action and all that but the style of the punisher is gone. The 1911s are a trademark of Frank Castle, so to Lionsgate, bring Thomas Jane back or the next Punisher suffers!-GunnutHk

:Thomas Jane was completely onboard for the second Punisher movie, but when the producers took too long getting a script up and changing actors, he decided to drop out. I think this movie would have been better if Thomas Jane was in it. And speaking of the 1911, we do see in the movie the Punisher taking a 1911, disasemebling it and cleaning it, but never use it. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 10:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Agreed, Thomas Jane's take on Castle was far superior to Ray Stevenson's (no diss to Ray, though, as he's one of my favorite actors). And I also agree that the weapon selections (save for the M4A1, the SL8, and the MP5Ks) sucked. They should have given him 1911s instead of Beretta 92s or that 500 and put an M203 on the M4 instead of that AGX. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi everybody i was just wonering wher did he keep his usp compact?

the Punisher seems like a Vigilante slowly going down hill then a action hero rex095

Better than the Thomas Jane one there reason is Castle has no super powers but he has one that could be a super power his incredible pain tolerance he just doesn't care about pain he is a pure killing machine no regrets whatsoever and that's why this movie nailed it, Jane was a pussy with his t shirt and getting beaten all the time in this movie even though he got the shit kicked out of him by Jigsaws brother he didn't even flinch he didn't hesitate to kill micro cause that was what he had to do Punisher doesn't care about life if it can't be saved he wont try

:The Jane Punisher getting the shit kicked out of him by the Russian was straight out of the comics and very faithful to how it played on film. The fight with LBJ was frankly anemic, and boring. Also, if he doesn't care about a life that he knows can not be saved, then why the hell did he tell the ex-gangbanger who was missing limbs and had an axe in his chest not to die on him? That is a very un-Punisher thing to say.

:And that one shot in the 2004 film of Jane shooting a thug lying wounded on the ground without given him any notice or care, says a lot more about the character than killing 50 criminals in one scene.[[Special:Contributions/173.88.129.35|173.88.129.35]]

:My weigh in on the Russian fight is that I just wasn't a big fan of Castle getting beat up. I didn't like how it was done in the comic and the movie recreation was just so-so. If you've ever played the PS2 or Xbox Punisher game, that scenario plays out with Frank kicking the crap out of the Russian and tossing him out a window. I'd have liked that better. As for the injured ex-gangbanger, to me that showed a bit of character development from Frank, who had previously shown his distaste for the man, but after working with him had come to view him as an ally. This is something we'd probably never see in the comic, and I liked it. I did really like the shootout in the 04 Punisher, especially when he finished off the wounded guy, but I also felt we got the same type of brutal Punisher mindset when Stevenson threw McGinty onto an iron fence before jumping down on his neck. What I liked the most about the Dolph Lundgren and Ray Stevenson films is that they showed that the Punisher can viciously murder criminals and still be a GOOD GUY without dealing with all that anti-hero moral conundrum bullcrap. -- ZG

::Regarding the gangbanger thing, you may have liked but it was a completely out of character thing for him to say, even to an ally. They went for a cliched moment that was out of character.[[Special:Contributions/173.88.129.35|173.88.129.35]]

::Yeah, I understand. And I can see how a lot of people wouldn't have liked it. I guess I just like the idea of Castle being an actual good guy sometimes rather than a completely desensitized psycho, which I know is what he's kind of supposed to be. I like a balance, I think it's what makes him endearing as a hero that does very brutal things. -- ZG

Also, scenes being constantly neonlighted got pretty annoying fast. I'm sure the idea sounds cool in paper, but is quite the opposite in practice. -AlkoTanko

Ok, tho i might not be the biggest military buff, i did a few years in the royal marines, but i do know comics and i know the punisher, bitch all you like about the stupid MP5 cieling deal , cus that was retarded, but this is garthe ennis's marvel max punisher, the punisher comics every tru punisher fan swears by. The 2004 tom jane job was based loosely on welcome back frank and punisher year one. Garth ennis wrote welcome back frank as a tester to get punisher made into a serious adult title and he self proclaimed hating the stupid bits in the comic such as the russian. Now you can say that tom janes version was any less tactially aware than stevensons, i mean he took a 40mm lancher into a nightclub and didnt even cover up his arms. Im not sayin i dont like the 2004 version, but it wasnt the punisher. Just angry op the movie, wrong actor, wrong location and a shity villain. So im gonna defend stevensons monosyallabic rough house, and dont forget kiddies, this is based on a comic book movie --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 03:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, anyone who has read Punisher knows he loses a lot of fights, it creates dramatic tension. If he won hands down every fight it would get boring, there needs to be a challenge. That's why every one of the Ennis stories had an epic fight with someone of Frank's aptitude. Second, Frank rarely gives a shit when people die, especially gangbangers reformed or not. The only one in recent memory was O'Brian. Third, they screwed up every villain from the comic. Pitsy was supposed to be an old tough bastard with a "Fuck you you fuckin fuck!" attitude, in this he was more a tag-along fuck-tard. McGinty was a torture loving psycho out for money, not a meth addict free-runner looking for a fun time. Tiberiu Bulat was an irredeemable rapist war criminal, not a kindly old man who had rules who you could make a deal wit. Where should i start with Jigsaw? That being said Stevenson was a pretty good Castle, and Wayne Knight was a pretty good Micro. the movie around them was what sucked, the over the top Jigsaw, the ceiling shooting, and Nicky Cavella the undercover cop instead of the maniac from the comic ruined this film. It talked a good game in the locker room but was shaky when it was time to put on the cleats.

What they should've done was just adapt some Punisher: Max stories, seriously, those're awesome. In fact, wouldn't it be great if directors could just get their head around the fact that they could simply take the comic DIRECTLY into a movie? Of course, then you have their egos to deal with, and then all hell breaks loose... I noticed someone said above that Frank doesn't like the M16/M4. This is true, but he actually does use it, because he likes the M203. And speaking of firearms, would a suppressor on a .50 cal revolver even do anything? I mean, don't revolvers have that gap between the barrel and cylinder, making supporessors useless besides hiding muzzle flash? And another thing; he puts a scope onto the smaller 500, but doesn't put one onto the longer 500, which has a picattiny rail built into it just for scopes? Holy shit, that's just sad. Will there ever be a movie that has a bunch of firearms, but doesn't screw them all up? Huh...you know, imagine that, if some director asks for advice from a site like this to make sure he knows what the hell he's doing. Now that I think about it, why don't the armorers ever tell them about that stuff? Whatever...--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 02:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

::I've stated my opinion before that I'm not hooked on having movies made directly from the comics, though I certainly understand the desire. I think the problem most of us have isn't the use of an original storyline, but the fact that filmmakers take characters from the universe that we establish as canon, and then change them for the movie. I don't care much about about his weapon choices, I just like the guns in general. I don't have much to gripe about his tactics as long as he's killing baddies. It seems like we're all looking for something different from Frank. -- ZG

"would a suppressor on a .50 cal revolver even do anything? I mean, don't revolvers have that gap between the barrel and cylinder, making supporessors useless besides hiding muzzle flash?"-- Zblayde|Zblayde

On a normal revolver, no. It is possible to build a revolver tight enough to be effectively suppressed. For an example, look up the Nagant R-1895m though from what I understand the way that the Nagant works is quite different from an ordinary revolver.
One of the biggest advantages to suppressing a revolver is that you don't leave behind any shells.

==Mini Crossbow==
In the beginning of the movie, the Punisher uses a very small fold-out crossbow to take down a guard at the docks. Is this even a real weapon?

- Wade Wilson

Before the weapon is unfolded it has similar shape and structure of a glock pistol or a Sig Sauer

it could be the same model but customized

[[user:moviemaster1993|moviemaster1993]]

=unknowns=
'''[moved from main page]''' --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 06:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
== Mircrochip's gun racks ==
[[Image:Punisher2gunrack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
Right side, very top is a (very) shorty G3. -[[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 22:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:it is a airsot replica produced by Tokyo Marui model company labled the g3SAS

::Yep, correct, that's a G3 SAS from Tokyo Marui. Coincidentally, I held one not too long ago (although the one I held was fitted with a fixed stock). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:Punisher2gunrack2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

there is an L86 LSW
(nope sorry it's a L85a2)
[[Image:Punisher2gunrack3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Guns in this pic?==
[[Image:Pwz lair.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Steyr TMP]]?

*m1911 pistol
*mp5
*beretta 92 two tone( maybe a elite II)
*m4a1
*rare.22 type suppresed pistol
== Unknowns ==

[[Image:Punishergun5.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
I see the MP5Ks with removed foregrips, Springfield XDs, M1911s and a full size MP5.-[[User:GunnutHk|GunnutHk]]

Actually I think the one on the bottom right is a Smith & Wesson M&P.

[[Image:Punishergun7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
::probaly a Charter Arms Snub

i don't think charter makes a hammerless.
[[Image:Punishergun8.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
:Micro/Mini Uzi? That looks like an Uzi stock
:It's a Smith & Wesson M76. You can see the stock and the hand grip. If your smart.
[[Image:Punishergun9.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
:Ruger Mk II?
[[Image:RugerMkIIStandard.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger Mk II pistol with a standard heavy barrel - .22 LR]].
looks like it. [[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] 18:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

that is a 44 or 357 automag-Doomsayer64

==Revenge or Punishment?==

Okay, the Punisher punishes people right? He began punishing them as a ''form'' of revenge, but still, why would they write "Vengeance has a new name" on the dvd cover? That's kind of inaccurate...does anyone agree? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I think they meant that vengeance has a new name which is Frank Castle

I disagree. There was alreay a Punisher film made. I think they meant Ray Stevenson, since he's replacing Thomas Jane as the Punisher.
As a side note, I believe TJ's Punisher could kick the crap outta RS's Punisher. Agree or disagree?

a little of both. i like the badassery that RS brings to the movie, although TJ is more believable even though he is shot to pieces and blown up multiple times in the movie.
I just like watching RS punch someone in the face and their head explode into chunks.
Plus he uses an S&W Model 500--[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 18:34, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== So? M4 or not? ==

Reading the comments, I never found a streight answer. Everyone seems to call it an 'Ak47' when it may be a chinese copy. So, when the armourer says 'M4' I doubt he means it. It's definatly an HK416. Please change it. I beg of you.

:Tell me your evidence that it is an HK416. Unfortunately none of the screen caps on the page gives us the lower receiver. It could be a Colt M933, the shorter barrel version of the M4 with a flat top. So point out please how you've come to the conclusion that it's a 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Xi5mYXi0g watch the behind the scenes that talks all about the weapons. You get a pretty good look at the whole rifle the armorer holds up for you. You can see that the top rails are interrupted unlike the 416 which has an uninterrupted top rail. You can also see that on the KAC quad rail system, the holes are big circles instead of small slits. So this is in fact an M4 system with a short 10in barrel, but it could be called the M933 because of the shorter barrel. I know the lighting makes it harder to see the rails and the receiver and on top of that in the semi-dark you can almost see an uninterrupted top rail. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

And what do you mean "Everyone seems to call it an 'Ak47' when it may be a chinese copy." ? Someone on the discussion calling the M4 an AK? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]
::No, he means "like when we see on other pages people calling a gun the "AK-47" when in reality it is a Norinco Type-56", i.e. the example of technically mis-identifying a gun as a generic type when at IMFDB, we ID as close to the real platform as possible. That's all.

:::I have this movie on Blu Ray, and the Punisher's rifle is not an HK416. The lower receiver lacks H&K markings, and the production model 416 does not have a tan-colored "LE" six-position buttstock. The upper receiver make is harder to identify, but the quad-rail is definitely not the same type that comes standard on the 416. That being said said, this does appear to be a short-stroke piston upper, which is the same type of system used by the 416, but H&K is no longer the only company manufacturing such weapons.

:::Also, yes, it is true that the armorer might just be using "M4" as a generic term, but I don't think so. Actually, in the past few years, we've had a problem on IMFDB where everyone seems to think that any fancy-looking AR-type weapon which lacks a front sight post is an HK416 (I remember when the ''[[Live Free or Die Hard]]'' page used to say that the Mark 12 Mod 0s in that movie were HK416s). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

:I remember when people also assume a fancy looking AR-15 to be a Barret M468 or the REC-7 as it is called now. Oh MT, how can you tell if it is using a stroke piston upper? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like it. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

[[Image:PunisherM4.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Castle firing his M4A1]]
The Magazine on the 416 is shaped slightly differently than the M4. Also, it being fitted with the AG36 Grenade Launcher and not the M203. This makes it look like the HK416.

:I'm sorry, but you CLEARLY have no clue here. A 416 can take regular AR mags, and vice-versa. And the AG36 can be mounted to ANY AR model rifle (there are pictures of Canadian SF units using AG36s on their C7s and C8s). Furthermore, as our page says, the AG36 used on this movie was actually a Madbull AGX airsoft replica. This is not an HK416; the receiver has no H&K markings (when I watch my Blu-Ray copy), and the quad-rail handguard is clearly not the HK-style. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

And as I said earlier, if you go to the link to watch the special features of the weapons by the armorer, he holds it up and you can see the quad-rail handguard and the holes are not the same as the 416 and the top rail is interrupted unlike the 416. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

Considering the barrel length, wouldn't it be more accurate to classify it as a Mark 18 CQB-R instead of an M4? I mean, unless someone can identify the suppressor and determine how much barrel it fits over (some suppressors simply screw onto the threads or the flash hider/muzzle brake itself, whereas others, like the OPS, Inc. 12th Model for the Mark 12 SPR, covers a good portion of the barrel when attached, making it seem shorter than it actually is). As most of the regulars here know, most M16A2s in movies have full auto lowers which would technically make them M16A3s, but we still classify them as M16A2s because that's what they're mimicking. And for all intents and purposes, the "M4" in this movie seems to be mimicking a CQB-R. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think that it should be relabeled as an M4A1. This weapon is obviously an M4 that was highly customized for CQB, and not a Colt 933-PunisherDave

::I dunno if we can call it the Mark 18 CQBR, since the Mark 18 has a standard DI upper with the triangular front sight post. If anybody can identify the specific make/model of the upper receiver (because I can't), then it would be perfectly fine to re-label the weapon on the page. But what I do know for sure is that this gun is not an HK416, so it would be inappropriate to label it as such. Until we know for sure what it is (and until I see credible proof), "M4A1" is the appropriate generic description. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 17:04, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:::The standard FSP on an M4 can easily be changed out with another front sight design or even just a gas block. Why would the Mark 18 be any different? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 08:38, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

::::The thing with the punisher is, he could have changed out the barrel and removed any markings, but whatever it is it is NOT an M4, at least not an off the rack version. I thought it was an HK416 after playing army of two. Certainly does look a hell of a lot like it.

:::::First of all, use "<nowiki>:</nowiki>" to separate your entries; don't bleed into Spartan's. Second, it's not an HK416. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 04:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I looked at a weapon made by Bushmaster called the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S, it is an M4 Carbine copy and the image i found had the same stock as this weapon, and to had the top stroke piston, the only difference between the movie and this image is the shorter barrel. I definitely think that the weapon used is the XM-15 E2S

I know im late im on this one but i think its a MK 18 model 0 with the same front assembly as Jack Bauers in 24 series 7 but with the folding front sight removed (http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Image:24S7E15_Mk_18_Mod_05.JPG). It has the same mini picatinnys on the front over the gas block - Capatin Snikt

::Thanks, Captain Snikt, your suggestion seems a lot closer than anything suggested in this discussion so far. The gas block does look a lot like the one on the AR from Season 7 of ''[[24]]''. Of course, that still doesn't tell us what the base gun might have been. But I guess Mark 18 is about as close as we're gonna get. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

::The gas block on Bauer's CQBR has rails on the sides, the one on Castle's doesn't. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:27, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I never said it did. It has the picatinny over the block at the top and the screw holes to mount rails on the sides though. I was just using bauers as an example to justify me calling it a mk 18 mod 0 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 17:51, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

== AK74U is NOT an SMG ==

Somebody put this rifle in the SMG section most likely because he played too much call of duty. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== grenade launcher minimum detonation range ==

how come there is a huge stink kicked up about the use of weapons, and no body has made a section about the use of the grenade launcher in the last major fight scenes in the movie. i distinctly remember a scene where frank punches his grenade launcher through a door, and fires it into a room, where it detonates not 5 meters from where it was fired. this hardly seems accurate, as the explosion took out almost all of the occupants of the room, and yet did no harm to the punisher. -turtle

For 2 reasons. One, in all action movies, grenade launchers have NO minimum detonation range and 2...He's the freaking Punisher. He bathes in fire and washes his mouth in bullets [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Don't forget greases his hair with gun polish.--[[User:Pump Shotty Justice|Pump_Shotty_Justice]] 16:37, 11 January 2011 (UTG)

== Beretta 92FS shoulder holster ==

Does anyone have any idea what shoulder holster Frank is using? I'm trying to find a similar one for my 92FS. -Supreme CQB

Human Target

2011-02-04T07:28:14Z

Captain Snikt: /* Smith & Wesson Model 29 */

[[Image:Human-Target-Poster.jpg|thumb|right|350px|''Human Target'' (2010 - ????)]]
''Human Target'' is a TV series follows the life of Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), a unique private contractor, bodyguard and security expert hired to protect his clients. He protects his clients by completely integrating himself into the lives of the client, to become the human target. Based on DC Comics by Len Wein and Carmine Infantino.

'''The following weapons appear in the television series ''Human Target'':'''
 

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==Handguns==

===Walther P99===
Christopher Chance's ([[Mark Valley]]) preferred pistol. In the Pilot episode, Chance used the newer version of the P99, the QA version. He did not use any version of the P99 in 'Rewind', 'Embassy Row', 'Salvage and Reclamation', 'Corner Man', 'Tanarak' and 'Victoria'. However, in 'Sanctuary', 'Run', 'Lockdown', 'Baptiste', and 'Christopher Chance' he used the pre-2004 version (the James Bond version). In 'Sanctuary', Sam Fisher used a Walther P99, before it was taken by Chance and used to shoot Fisher's henchmen. In 'Baptiste' and 'Christopher Chance', Baptiste ([[Lennie James]]) used a pre-2004 P99 with a silver slide. It was also portrayed in the opening credits of the show. It first made its appearance in the first episode of Season 2's 'Ilsa Pucci' under the disguise of a bank security guard.

[[Image:Walther-P99QA LS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99|Walther P99QA]] - 9mm]]

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:P99 Lockdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance using the P99 in "Lockdown".]]

[[Image:P99 rear closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of P99's rear sights in "Pilot", aimed at the assassin.]]

[[Image:Baptiste P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptise with his P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT silenced P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste putting a silencer on his P99 in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 forest.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An army soldier is threatened by his superior officer using his own P99 in "Salvage and Reclamation".]]

[[Image:HT sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The soldier's sidearm surrendered to his CO.]]

[[Image:HT P99 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Fisher ([[William Mapother]]) aims the P99 at Chance after he saves John Gray from nearly falling off the gondola in "Sanctuary".]]

[[Image:HT opening.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P99 shown in the opening credits with a silencer mounted.]]

[[Image:HT metro.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at Baptiste at the Washington Metro in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 grip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katherine Walters handles the P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)ChanceP99IWB.PNG|thumb|none|500px|Chance removing his P99 from his belt in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Chance P99(2.1) Bank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at the Interrogator ([[Timothy Omundson]]) and Winston.]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)FireAlarm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance shooting the fire alarm of the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45 Limited===
Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) changes his sidearm in Season 2's 'A Problem Like Maria' to a Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45. He carries one starting from 'Communication Breakdown' and gives it to Ilsa at one point. He can also be seen using it in 'Cool Hand Guerrero' in Gun World to shoot the camera. In 'Kill Bob' he uses it, only to trade weapons with Natalya 'Angie' during their fight.
[[Image:Para-sx1445er.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Para Ordnance S14-45 Limited (Stealth Edition)]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the S14-45 at Hector before realizing he's shot.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa handles the S14-45 given to her by Chance.]]
[[Image:Chance_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fires the Para Ordnance S14-45 at the beginning of "A Problem Like Maria".]]
[[Image:Chance_S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking cover while holding the S14-45. Note double-stack sized magazine.]]
[[Image:Ilsa S14 45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa picking up the S14-45.]]
[[Image:S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S14-45 set on a table. Note silver ejection port, 6 rear cocking serrations and 3 in the fron, and obvious double-stack thickness.]]

===Heckler & Koch Mk. 23===
The assassin uses a suppressed Mk. 23 after his first, and more covert way to kill Stephanie Dobbs ([[Tricia Helfer]]) failed in "Pilot".

[[Image:H&KMk23ModwKnightsSuppressor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[H&K Mk 23 Mod 0]] - .45 ACP with Knight Armaments suppressor.]]

[[Image:HT silenced pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The assassin (Mike Desabrais) searching for Chance and Stephanie after initially failing to kill them in the California Bullet Train.]]

===Beretta 92FS===
In "Run", renegade San Francisco Police detectives under Wes Gibson are armed with the 92FS. SFPD officers are also seen using the 92FS. At the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci", the Interrogator's ([[Timothy Omundson]]) henchmen use 92FS's in the bank. Used by Chance and Baptiste in "The Return of Baptiste." Broward aims his 92FS at John Doe in "Dead Head" after he realizes that he was faking the recovery of his real memory. Maria uses this as her sidearm in "A Problem like Maria". Victor Rosko ([[Eric Pollins]]) has one in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Wes Gibson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibson with the 92FS in "Run".]]

[[Image:HT 92FS jam.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance using his hand to jam the 92FS' slide.]]

[[Image:HT SFPD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officers aiming at the incoming rigged ambulance with their 92FS pistols.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 92FS with its slide retracted back.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance firing the 92FS in Gibson's hands, killing a rogue SFPD detective.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber 2 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogater's henchman with the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber1 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogator's henchman aims the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the 92FS at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT Beretta pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Broward intimidating John Doe with his sidearm aimed at his neck.]]

[[Image:Human Target Maria pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria aims her 92FS at Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Victor aims his 92FS at the head of Connie Pucci.]]

===Beretta 92FS Inox===
Found in a secret compartment in the Brooks residence in "The Wife's Tale". Used by Rebecca in an attempt to shoot Chance after she finds out what happened to her deceased husband.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Human Target Beretta Inox.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inox pistol in Brooks residence.]]

===Beretta 93R===
Used by two gunman working for Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:HT 93R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman opens fire at Chance inside a bank in Geneva. Here he holds the foregrip.]]
[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another gunman covers Shelly and the others by firing his 93R at Chance inside the bank.]]

===Glock 17===
A Federal Air Marshal in "Rewind" is armed with a Glock 17, detaining Chance after suspecting him of being a felon. The stewardess arms herself with the Glock 17 after Chance disarms the air marshal. In reality, they are suppose to be using the Sig Sauer P229 as their main sidearm. FBI agents in "Lockdown" are portrayed using Glock 17 as their main sidearm. Emma Barnes uses the Glock 17 as her sidearm with the FBI from the episode "Baptiste". Security guards in "Sanctuary" fought against Sam Fisher's gang with Glock 17s. Seattle police officers are armed with the Glock 17 in "Pilot". Rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria" use them to gun down Chance and Victoria in order to prevent them from showing evidence to the Queen in incriminating Templeton to a murder attempt against the princess after infiltrating the museum. Security Guards for a bank and security personnel in Ilsa's party used them at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". SFPD detectives use Glock 17s in "Dead Head". A thug is armed with a Glock 17 in 'The Other Side of the Mall', suppressed when he attacks Winston and the mother, and unsuppressed when he sticks it in Joel's back. A few Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria are armed with Glock 17s. Corrupt Arizona State prison guards and Guerrero use it in ""Cool Hand Guerrero", the latter trying to threaten death to the corrupt warden for accusing him of murder.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Air Marshal armed with Glock 17.]]

[[Image:HT Stewardess.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stewardess pointing the Glock 17 at the disarmed marshal.]]

[[Image:HT FBI.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An FBI agent in "Lockdown" with the Glock 17 aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT metro a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Emma Barnes in "Baptiste" aims her Glock 17 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A security guard in "Santuary" takes aim at Sam Fisher's gang.]]

[[Image:HT Seattle pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pistol on the left is the Glock 17, at the hands of a Settle PD officer.]]

[[Image:HT cornered.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis held at gunpoint by a rogue Protection Command bodyguard with a Glock 17, although the shot makes it hard to tell if it's the actual pistol.]]

[[Image:HT assassin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin in a dream sequence with a silenced Glock 17 after assassinating Gerard.]]

[[Image:HT BankSecurity(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bank Security Guards use the Glock in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Glocks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Security personnel armed with Glock 17s.]]

[[Image:HT detective.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD detective searching Ilsa's office.]]

[[Image:HT takedown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance takes down a corrupt Major Crimes Unit detective.]]

[[Image:ThugGlock17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug with the Glock in "The Other Side of the Mall.]]

===Glock 19===
Gerard uses the Glock 19 as his main sidearm in "Victoria", gunning down two rogue Protection Command bodyguards before he was shot himself.

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Gerard kitchen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard shooting a rogue Protection Command bodyguard in the hotel's kitchen.]]
[[Image:HT Gerard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard holding the Glock 19.]]

===SIG-Sauer P225===
In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez uses a [[SIG-Sauer P225]] initially, then later it switches to a full size P226. Its compact size can be seen when Ames takes it and tries to leave the bar.

[[Image:SIG-Sauer-P225.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P225 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Human Target Eladio Lopez.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames disarming Eladio of his P225.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ames pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames aiming the P225 at the Lopez brothers.]]

===SIG-Sauer P226===

Used by Laverne Winston ([[Chi McBride]]) as his main sidearm in 'Sanctuary' and 'Baptiste'. He also uses one in Season 2's "The Wife's Tale". One can be seen in the flashback to Chance's assassin days in his toolbox in "The Wife's Tale" (2.2). In "Dead Head", Chance takes Winston's P226 after being attacked by Mongrel bikers. In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez initially carries a P225, but it switches to a full size P226 later when he pulls it in the helicopter.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[SIG-Sauer P226]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:P226 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs in "Sanctuary".]]
[[Image:HT pistol aiming.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs.]]
[[Image:Human Target pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P226 found next to the silenced P99, which was used to assassinate his target.]]
[[Image:HT pistol cock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance gripping the P226's slide.]]
[[Image:ChanceWinstonP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance racking the slide of Winston's P226 before taking on the Mongrels.]]
[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio aiming the P226 at Maria.]]

===Walther PPK===
Gerard had a Walther PPK in an ankle holster in the episode "Victoria". He then gave it to Chance, who used it for the rest of the episode. Raven uses a nickel PPK in "Embassy Row" and assassin uses a smuggled one in "Rewind".

[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Walther PPK]] with brown grips.]]

[[Image:HT PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard making a grab for the PPK on his left ankle holster.]]

[[Image:HT PPK grab.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking the PPK from Gerard after the pistol was hurled to him.]]

[[Image:HT confiscated PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis confiscates Gerard's PPK.]]

[[Image:HT compact pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Raven handling the pistol in "Embassy Row" after assassinating Victor Shukoff on embassy grounds. For this episode, this shot assumes it's a nickel PPK.]]

[[Image:HT Rewind.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin with the silenced pistol, being attacked first by Chance.]]

===Desert Eagle===
Joubert ([[Armand Assante]]) uses a dressed up [[Desert Eagle]] in the episode "Christopher Chance". One with a nickel finish is seen holstered in the jean pants of Esteban in the Triple Frontier in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle - .50 AE.]]

[[Image:HT Confrontation.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joubert with his semi-dressed up Desert Eagle in a silver finish.]]

[[Image:HT DE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Esteban negotiating with Ilsa in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:Esteban_Deagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another scene. Not a good place to stick your Desert Eagle. Imagine if that goes off!]]

===M1911 ===
In "Victoria", a dream sequence showed assassins planting a used M1911 at the hands of Tony Sorrento after shooting him with the pistol, previously silenced, to frame him for being a murderer. The former Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) uses this to save Chance by wounding Baptiste in "Christopher Chance" before he was killed with a hurled combat knife in the chest. Chance uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]

[[Image:HT evidence.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An assassin plants the M1911 in a dream sequence where it is suggested he would be framed as a killer.]]

[[Image:HT M1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) aiming the M1911 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT M1911 harbor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) knifed in the chest, still holding his M1911.]]

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the M1911 at Baptiste in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:Chance1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

====Custom M1911====
Used by Chicago in "Taking Ames" to pistol whip Marcus. Winston picks it up at one point.

[[Image:Human Target Custom 1911 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marcus before he was pistol whipped with a custom 1911.]]

[[Image:WinstonChicago1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston with the 1911.]]

===[[Makarov PM]]===
Standard sidearm of Russian Embassy security forces in "Embassy Row". Raven aka Peter Blanchard disarms one of the guards and uses it to gun down Alexei Volkov and some of the guards with him at the embassy's security room before Emma kicks him to disarm him of the weapon.

[[Image:HT Makarov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Makarov PM on the floor after Emma disarms Raven by kicking him.]]

[[Image:HT Makarov a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the specific style of slide mounted safety and the magazine release. In this shot, the Makarov has changed to a Walther PPK.]]

===FN Five-SeveN===
A thug under Hugh Prentiss in "Corner Man" takes aim at Chance with the [[FN Five-seveN]] USG. Hugh tries to take the pistol after thug is killed by Chance. Two assassins used a suppressed version before Winston takes one of them in "The Other Side Of The Mall." They change to the newer USG version in a continuity error.

[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN USG (U.S. Government), 5.7x28mm. This is the most common version of the Five Seven in channels of commerce. It has a frame mounted safety and integral rails. No FN Five-seveN is issued with a threaded barrel, however, threaded barrels for sound suppressors are commercially available as an aftermarket item.]]

[[Image:FN-Five-seveN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN (Original Model), 5.7x28mm. This model is no longer produced.]]

[[Image:Five-SeveN USG ground.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh attempting to grab the USG.]]

[[Image:HT USG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh's thug with the USG aimed at the back of Chance.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the suppressed USG pistol on his right hand.]]

[[Image:HT USG pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aiming the suppressed USG at a civilian.]]

[[Image:5-7_old_model HT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug loads his Five-seveN in "The Other Side of the Mall". The rounded trigger tells that it is the old model.]]

===Beretta 21 or 950===

Chance takes either a [[Beretta 21 Bobcat]] or a [[Beretta 950 Jetfire]] from an assassin disguised as a stewardess in "Rewind".

[[Image:HT plane.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance showing off the pistol he took from the stewardess.]]

===Beretta Cougar===

The [[Beretta Cougar]] is Guerrero's ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) main sidearm. He has one brandished at the pilot of a cargo airplane in "Salvage and Reclamation". He also uses one in "Sanctuary" and "Christopher Chance". Guerrero can be seen carrying one in Season 2's "Ilsa Pucci" when he checks the elevator and threatens to shoot Ames' kneecaps. He also carries it in "Dead Head" and in "Imbroglio" to test out a kevlar vest Chance "got in the mail".

[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at the cargo pilot.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at Joubert from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out the informant from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the pistol used by Guerrero to finish off the downed informant.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero Beretta 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero responding to Chance after he searched the elevator in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:Guerrero Beretta 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero threatening to shoot Ames' kneecaps if she doesn't tell him who hired her in "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:HT Beretta Cougar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cougar being prepared by Guerrero after he sees two SFPD detectives arriving outside the bank.]]
[[Image:Human Target test.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero meeting Ilsa while aiming the Cougar at Chance's kevlar-covered chest.]]

===Beretta Px4 Storm===

Winston uses it in "The Other Side of the Mall" as his sidearm, outfitted with a laser module.

[[Image:Px4 Storm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Px4 Storm 9x19mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the Px4 Storm on his left hand after chasing out the assassins.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the Storm.]]

===Smith and Wesson 5904===

In "Dead Head", Winston removes a [[Smith & Wesson 5904]] from Lieutenant Broward, which changed from a [[Beretta 92FS]].

[[Image:S&W5904LateModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Late Model Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:WinstonBroward 5904.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston taking Broward's 5904]]

===CZ 75 "Pre B"===

Seen used by at first Baptiste to shoot a thug in a bar, then held by Chance in a standoff after they fight. Has wood grips.

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the CZ 75 "Pre B" at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT CZ closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CZ 75 in Baptiste's hands. Note good trigger discipline, but awful grip.]]

[[Image:Wood_CZ75.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ-75 "Pre B"'s wood grips.]]

===Jericho 941===

Baptiste uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the Jericho 941 at Chance in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:HT hammer down.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste cocking the hammer of the Jericho 941. Shows good trigger discipline, but a very poor low grip.]]

===Smith & Wesson M&P===
Hector Lopez uses dual [[Smith & Wesson M&P]]s with nickel slides in 'A Problem Like Maria' and 'Communications Breakdown'. They are also momentarily used by Guererro and Ilsa.

[[Image:Twotone mp.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twotone M&P - 9mm]]

[[Image:Human Target dual pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero with the dual M&Ps after disarming Hector.]]
[[Image:Human Target M&P.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa beaten up before she kills Hector with his own sidearm.]]

===Taurus PT92===
Used by Eli Rosko ([[Carlo Rota]]) in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:Human Target Eli Rosko.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli aiming the pistol at Ilsa, taking her hostage.]]

[[Image:Human Target leveled pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Perhaps I wasn't clear before."]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the PT92.]]

===Tokarev TT-33===

Baptiste aims at Chance with a TT-33 in Ilsa's private plane in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste angrily aiming the TT-33 at Chance. Finger off trigger and hammer down, wich would in reality not be very threatening. ]]

===Vektor CP1===

Used by Ilsa's corrupt attorney Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci" as his personal sidearm when he was in Geneva.

[[Image:HT CP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shelly aiming the CP1 at Ilsa to make Chance drop his sidearm before he was wounded by Guerrero.]]

===Smith and Wesson Model 29===

In the season one finale 'Christopher Chance', Chance uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] hidden revolver to take out some of the commando's and then levels it at Joubert.

[[Image:HT revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aims the revolver at Joubert before realizing he's out of ammo.]]
[[Image:Revolver pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance with the revolver.]]

===Unknown Pistols===
The air marshal draws out a compact pistol in "Rewind", making Winston tackle him to disarm him again. Connor Dunham uses a silenced pistol in "Victoria"

[[Image:HT plane a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston tackles the air mashal after seeing him draw out a compact pistol.]]
[[Image:HT silenced pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Connor with the silenced pistol aimed at Chance and Victoria.]]

==Submachine Guns==

===FN P90===
Used by the unknown commandos in "Christopher Chance". It was outfitted with a laser and flashlight. One was also used by Ilsa's kidnappers to shoot at Chance in Season 2's pilot- "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:FNP90Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[FN P90]] without laser or flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT P90 aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando aims at Carmine after he pulled the P90's bolt.]]

[[Image:HT P90 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the P90. On the left is the flashlight; the right is the laser designator.]]

[[Image:HT P90s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unknown commandos infiltrate the second floor of Chance's/Winston's office while aiming their P90s.]]

[[Image:HT FN P90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A P90 is fired at Chance outside the hotel.]]

[[Image:HT P90 view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing the P90. On the right of the weapon is the flashlight module.]]

===H&K MP5===
One of Sam Fisher's crewmembers is armed with a HK MP5A3, outfitted with a tactical flashlight on its foregrip and a scope during a robbery in "Sanctuary". In "Christopher Chance", a commando is armed with a MP5 outfitted with a scope and a tactical foregrip attached to a railed barrel. Another commando has a MP5 outfitted with a UMP stock. MP5A3s is handled by Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria" when the Lopez brothers meet with Chance to exchange Ames and Guerrero for their hostage. Mercenaries use this in "Imbroglio", especially when they use Guerrero and a few hostages to be disguised as armed gunmen with MP5s taped to their bodies, similar to a scene from ''[[The Dark Knight]]'', (Not to mention Batman and Human Target are both based on DC Comics).

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at left with the MP5A3.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commando with a tricked up MP5.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the said MP5. Has a foregrip, scope and a tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando armed with the MP5, its UMP stock folded.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 stock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Lopez henchman with the MP5A3. You can see the extended stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5A3 foregrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the next shot, you can see the Surefire foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Imbroglio.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with the MP5 and a UMP stock. Possibly the same prop used in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance giving Guerrero a MP5 with a railed foregrip and an attached scope. You can see the Navy trigger group and the ring at the end to place a sling, replacing the stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A restrained Guerrero uses the MP5's tac flashlight switch to send a message with his loose finger.]]

===H&K MP5K===
The MP5K is seen in the hands of Victoria' rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria". The Lopez brothers are armed with it in "A Problem like Maria". Hector Lopez uses one hunting Chance and Ilsa in Season 2's "Communication Breakdown". A mercenary uses it in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KA4.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rogue Protection Command bodyguard is seen holding the MP5K on the left in "Victoria".]]

[[Image:HT fight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fights off the rogue Protection bodyguard to disarm him of his MP5K.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5Ks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio and Hector Lopez shoot the getaway car in "A Problem Like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector slaps on the bolt after reloading it somewhere in South America.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the MP5K used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K sling.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This MP5K has a tac flashlight and a foregrip.]]

[[Image:Hector_MP5k.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the MP5k.]]

===H&K MP7===

The company men shooting at Chance and Jessica in "Tanarak" use [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s. Russian security forces at the Russian embassy in "Embassy Row" use MP7s to attack both Chance and Emma when they escape from embassy grounds. In "Sanctuary", a Sam Fisher crewman starts the robbery by aiming the MP7 at the guards, as well as firing it against them. A Cervantes gunman in "The Return of Baptist" holds one on Chance and Baptiste. Mercenaries in "Imbroglio" use them. Chance takes one from one of them when he feigned illness. Ilsa uses one too after Chance knocks out another.

[[Image:H&K MP71A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] ]]

[[Image:HT MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary aims his MP7 at Chance. This does not have its standard picatinny railing on the receiver.]]

[[Image:HT MP7s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mercenaries armed with MP7s. One of the MP7s has the curved 40-round magazine.]]

[[Image:HT MP7 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of MP7 used by Russian Spetsnaz operator under cover of embassy guard. A scope is mounted on its picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:HT robbery crew.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sam Fisher crewman surprises guards with the MP7.]]

[[Image:HT attack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same crewman fires the MP7 at the guard after they started shooting at them.]]

[[Image:Cervantes MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cervantes gunman with the H&K MP7.]]

[[Image:Human Target Chance MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the MP7. This has a scope and a tactical flashlight on the right side.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP7 Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa after picking up the discarded MP7 to shoot the padlock.]]

===Unknown MP5===
In "Victoria", one of the assassin has a MP5-type submachine gun with its integral suppressor and a scope.

[[Image:HT silenced SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the assassins restraining Tony Sorrento has the silenced MP5.]]

===Heckler & Koch UMP===
A Lopez henchman is seen with the UMP after ambushing Ames and Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria". Another is seen in the same episode, but with no stock and instead, a sling takes it place.

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lopez henchman on the left with the UMP. It has a scope and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target UMP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Lopez henchman on the right is armed with the UMP, but has a sling in place with a scope.]]

===IMI Uzi===
A Cervantes gunman uses this when he and his comrades brought Ilsa to the Triple Frontier.

[[Image:HT Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cervantes gunman with the Uzi. This version has the metal folding stock.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right is the Uzi. You can see its barrel and cocking handle.]]

====IMI Mini-Uzi====
Used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio", holding everyone in the auditorium hostage.

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right side, you can see the barrel of the Mini-Uzi.]]

[[Image:Human Target Mini-Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Mini-Uzi.]]

===Unknown SMG===

[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The gunmen on the left and right are using MAC 11-like submachine guns.]]

==Shotguns==

===Remington 870 Shotgun===
Used briefly by Winston to shoot a commando in 'Christopher Chance'.

[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Shotgun with black stock]]

[[Image:HT shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston firing the shotgun at a surprised commando.]]

===Remington 870 Folded Stock===
A Sam Fisher crewman is armed with the Remington 870 with a folded stock in "Sanctuary" when a robbery takes place. Winston uses it as his main weapon from "Dead Head" onward.

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at right with the folded Remington 870 (partially unseen, but the stock can be seen.)]]

[[Image:HT robbery a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the crewman's Remington 870.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The 870 is fired at the guards after shooting starts.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston takes the shotgun from the Cadillac Escalade in "Dead Head".]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Firing the shotgun at Mongrel bikers.]]

[[Image:Human Target shotgun close up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston after taking out assassins in "Communication Breakdown".]]

===Sawed off Remington 870 Field Gun===
Maria uses the sawed off Remington 870 in "Salvage and Reclamation". A sawed off 870 shotgun was used by Guerrero when he was posing as a security guard at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". Chance uses this to save John Doe from Broward's custody by shooting the unmarked Crown Victoria cruiser's tires and radio.

[[Image:HT sawed off 870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with her hands on the sawed off Remington 870.]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero approaching Winston's captors in the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance uses a sawed off 870 aimed at Broward's unmarked cruiser.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the sawed off 870 at the unmarked cruiser's radio.]]

===Remington 870 Slug Gun===
A Remington 870 Slug Gun in black furniture is used brifly by a mercenary in "Tanarak" before Chance disarms him of it and commandeers the weapon.

[[Image:HT shotgun trunk.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Slug Gun in the trunk of the Suburban.]]

[[Image:HT 870 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The mercenary knocked off. Note the sights on the shotgun, which indicates it is a Slug Gun from the regular 870.]]

===Serbu Super-Shorty===
In 'Christopher Chance', in the flashback, Chance finds a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] in the bottom of a drawer.

[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance examines the Super-Shorty found from the bottom of a drawer.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the shotgun.]]

===Ithaca 37===
A sawed off Ithaca 37 is used by a Mongrel biker hired to take out Chance and Winston in "Dead Head".

[[Image:Ithaca m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ithaca 37 12 gauge with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off Ithaca 37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Mongrel biker taking aim with a sawed off Ithaca 37.]]

===Franchi SPAS-12===
Used by SFPD officers barging in the Major Crimes Unit office after hearing noise from the outside in "Dead Head". (Which is pretty rare in real life.)

[[Image:HT barging in.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer armed with SPAS-12. This has a torchlight.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun porting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another SFPD officer with the SPAS-12. Also has a torchlight mounted.]]

===Franchi SPAS-15===
Briefly handled by Chance in "A Problem like Maria".

[[Image:Human Target SPAS 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the SPAS-15. Can be barely seen due to the mirror's reflection.]]

==Assault Rifles==

===AKM===
Used by a Cervantes gunman chasing Chance, Baptiste and Susan in Paraguay via pickup truck.

[[Image:HT chase.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A satisfactory closeup of the AKM used by a Cervantes gunman in Paraguay.]]

===AKS-74U===
Russian Spetsnaz operators were on duty in the Russian Embassy as embassy security guards with the AKS-74U in "Embassy Row." A Cervantes gunman uses this when he was "taking" Ilsa to negotiate for Susan Connors' release in South America.

[[Image:HT AKSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian embassy guard approaches Chance and Emma with an AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT Russian embassy guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian guards in tactical gear armed with AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT AKS-74U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cervantes gunman in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the left is the AKS-74U. You can see its trigger guard and plastic magazine.]]

===Beretta CX4 Storm===
Seen used by Sentronics "level 2" security officers, their chief of security Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and briefly by Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) in "Lockdown", attached with flashlights on the forgrip picatinny railing and scopes on top of the receiver. The Beretta Cx4 Storm carbines used in this episode are the same Cx4s that were used in the re-imagined series of ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' (note the muzzle).

[[Image:Beretta_CX4_storm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta CX4 Storm - 9x19mm, .40 S&W & .45 ACP]]

[[Image:Human-Target-CX4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Head of Sentronics security, Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), fight in an elevator for control of a [[Beretta CX4 Storm]] in season 1, episode 6.]]

[[Image:HT CX4 barrel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CX4's barrel with the tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT Sentronics guards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sentronics guards armed with CX4s.]]

===Colt M16A4===
A Colt M16A4 is seemingly used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". Also used by Paraguayan army in "The Return of Baptiste."

[[Image:HT soldiers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldiers sweeping a bar alongside Bertram.]]

[[Image:HT Army.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Paraguayan army soldiers manning a roadblock near a local airport.]]

===Colt M4===
Used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". These have tactical foregrips.

[[Image:HT guard rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldier with the M4.]]

===Colt M4A1===
Used by FBI Hostage Rescue Team assaulters in "Baptiste" after arresting him. In "Pilot", Seattle SWAT teams are armed with the M4A1, outfitted with a tactical foregrip. Guerrero uses one in "Communication Breakdown" to protect an investigator from assassins.

[[Image:HT rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI HRT assaulter with M4A1 at the left. His rifle has a scope (unseen) and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:HT SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operators guiding hostages out of the premises.]]

[[Image:Human Target Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero wielding the M4A1 after gunning down an assassin.]]

===Norinco Type 56===
In "Salvage and Reclamation", Doug Slocum is armed with it after Chance and Maria ([[Leonor Varela]]) bust out of the besieged bar from initially using the Type 84S. This has a bayonet lug, but without the bayonet. Chance is also seen holding one until he gives it to Maria at the end of the episode.

All of the Type 56 rifles seen in this episode (and other episodes) are actually airsoft replicas made by Real Sword. They are replaced with the Type 84s in firing scenes for this reason.

[[Image:HT Type 56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 56. This has no bayonet present in the lug.]]

[[Image:HT Maria Type 56 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with the Type 56 after helping Chance and Doug escape.]]

===Norinco Type 84S===
A Norinco Type 84S is used by Doug to distract the soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation." This magically changes to the Type 56 later when Chance and Maria escape the bar.

[[Image:HT Type 84S.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 84S, firing away with a sadistic smile. Pacifist? Not anymore.]]

===SIG SG 552===
San Francisco Police officers in "Run" are armed with the SIG SG 552, used to gun down a rigged ambulance trying to breach the blocked road. This rifle is, however, not being used by the actual SFPD. In "A Problem like Maria", Winston uses it when he fights against the henchmen of the Lopez henchmen. Some of them are also armed with the rifle in ambushing Ames and Guerrero.

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer with the SIG SG 552.]]

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SG 552. This one has a picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two of the Lopez henchmen with 552s, outfitted with a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target Winston shooting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The blur makes the image a bit bad, but this is a SG 552 outfitted with a foregrip and a scope.]]

[[Image:Human Target pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston poses with the 552 after the Lopez henchmen were defeated.]]

===Unknown AK-type rifles===
Another Sam Fisher crewman is armed with a AK-based rifle in "Sanctuary". Also seen with Pablo and with several mercenaries in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also at the left of the picture, a crewman is armed with a AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An unknown AK rifle is handled by Pablo, aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with an AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An uninjured mercenary chases after Doug and Maria.]]

==Bolt-Action Rifles==

===Karabiner 98k===
A Karabiner 98k is seemingly used in "Salvage and Reclamation", used by one of Pablo's men.

[[Image:HT bolt action rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The guy can be seen with the 98k, but the camera distance makes it hard to confirm.]]

[[Image:HT prisoners.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the supposed 98k.]]

==Sniper Rifles==

===Barrett M107===
Seen disassembled in the black room in "Lockdown", disassembled by Chance
.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Barrett rifle parts.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance disassembling the M107.]]

===Unknown M14/M1A===

Guerrero uses this to cover Chance while he and Ilsa escape the bank in Switzerland from the episode "Ilsa Pucci." Receiver is not clearly seen to tell which model it is. He uses it again to cover Bob in "Kill Bob". The exact same prop is seen in Gun World in "Cool Hand Guerrero".

[[Image:HT rifle check.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero conducting a weapons check on the M14 with a mounted riflescope.]]

[[Image:Guerrero M14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out Shelly and his men in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Remington 700===
Guerrero finds a [[Remington 700]] in the cab of a pickup when he and Winston are being held down by sniper fire in the episode "Victoria".

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]

[[Image:HT M700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the Remington 700 at the sniper outside.]]

[[Image:HT rifle garage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero examining the Remington 700, taken from a pickup.]]

===Remington 700PSS/700P===
A sniper uses a [[Remington 700PSS]] to hold Winston and Guerrero in a garage in the episode "Victoria". It is shown to be firing semi-automatically though. A Seattle SWAT sniper is seemingly using the rifle too in "Pilot". It was not fired. The Remington 700PSS/P is used again by Guerrero ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) to cover Chance and Ilsa Pucci during the banquet in the episode "Ilsa Pucci."

[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]

[[Image:Picture_3000.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Guerrero arming himself with the 700PSS]]

====Remington 700 AICS====
Guerrero uses a Remington 700 AICS sniper rifle chassis to position his audio surveillance equipment in "Taking Ames".

[[Image:Human Target AICS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero using the audio surveillance equipment on a Remington 700 AICS.]]

===SIG Sauer SSG 3000===
A FBI Hostage Rescue Team sniper is armed with the SIG Sauer SSG 3000 in "Baptiste".

[[Image:SSG3000.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG Sauer SSG 3000.]]
[[Image:HT sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBT HRT sniper reports back to controller in "Baptiste", providing overwatch before he was executed by Baptiste by snapping his neck.]]

===Remington 7400===
Hollis, an ex-firm employee uses this as his main weapon alongside a vest rigged with plastique explosives in "Pilot". Chance disarms the employee and kills him with a single shot at his vest.
[[Image:7400wd-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 7400 - .308]]

[[Image:7600 Pilot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity photo of Hollis, armed with the Remington 7400, arguing with Chance as he tries to get close in order to disarm the rifle from the employee.]]

[[Image:HT closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 7400's sights.]]

[[Image:HT Chance shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ending Hollis' planned attempt to murder his boss, Lydecker, by firing the 7400 at his suicide vest.]]

==Machine Guns==

===DShk machine gun===
Used by Cervantes gunmen before they were disabled after Chance and Baptiste kill the gunners.

[[Image:HT machine gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShk being manned by Cervantes gunman before Baptiste shoots him.]]

==Grenade launchers==

===DefTech 37mm launcher===

A Seattle SWAT operator prepares the DefTech 37mm launcher after loading it up in "Pilot" over a hostage situation.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech 37mm launcher]]

[[Image:HT launcher load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Loading the DefTech 37mm launcher with presumably non-lethal grenade shells.]]

[[Image:HT launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operator armed with DefTech 37mm launcher.]]

===RPG-7===
A RPG-7 is seen slung on the back of an armed mercenary in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 slinged on the back of an armed mercenary.]]

[[Image:HT RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary working under Jesus Montaya with a RPG warhead on his backpack.]]

==Rocket Launchers==

==FIM-92A Stinger==
Hector Lopez uses a Stinger in "A Problem in Maria" and in "Communication Breakdown" to shoot down Ilsa's private plane as retribution for Eladio's death.

[[Image:Human Target Stinger reticle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the Stinger. You can see the functioning reticle.]]
[[Image:Human Target Stinger rear.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rear part of Hector's Stinger, still aimed at Ilsa's private plane.]]

===Unknown Rocket Launcher===
Winston uses an unknown rocket launcher in "A Problem Like Maria" to destroy a truck, giving Chance and the others enough distraction to fight off the Lopez brothers. It has a digital touchscreen to make the weapon work.

[[Image:Human Target bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rocket launcher with Hebrew writing.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston loads the warhead from the front.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka front.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The front portion of the rocket launcher.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka actual.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston handling the Hebrew-based touchscreen.]]

==Homemade Weapons==

===Molotov Cocktail===
Chance threw his homemade Molotov Cocktail at an enemy SUV right at end of the pilot episode. Also done in "Dead Head".

[[Image:HT Molotov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance preparing a Molotov cocktail in "Dead Head".]]

===Improvised Gas Bomb===
Winston and Guerrero worked together to create a DYI flashbomb by using the gas meant to kill them tied inside an empty water dispenser bottle and detonated with an Iphone.

[[Image:Human Target DYI bomb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bomb rolled by Guerrero towards the assassins.]]
[[Image:Human Target call.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It's the call of your life, brother. And you're doomed.]]

==Others==
A huge assortment of firearms are aimed at Chance in Season 1's "Salvage and Reclamation" as well as Season 2's "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT assorted firearms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several firearms aimed at Chance. Poor guy. The assault rifle in that image looks like a Norinco Type 56. The pistols are probably an M1911A1 or Browning Hi-Power and the revolvers looks to be a Smith & Wesson Model 29.]]

[[Image:HT Cervantes Men.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Multiple firearms aimed at Chance and Baptiste. There is an [[M1 Garand]], an [[IMI Uzi]], an unknown AK variant, an AKS-74U, and an unknown pistol.]]

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Talk:Human Target

2011-02-04T07:26:51Z

Captain Snikt:

A word of advice to the original author(s), the descriptions of a weapon's use should be posted above the image of the gun, not below. I fixed the problem but thought I should state this for future reference.

I love this show, but see it hasnt been renewed or cancelled. when do you think we'll know if it will be back?

==That's an interesting looking MP7.==

[[Image:HT MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary aims his MP7 at Chance.]]

To be quite honest, that doesn't look like any MP7A1 I've ever seen. It looks like someone took a MAC 11 and dressed it up to death. --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 03:01, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

:I don't know why they WOULDN'T have real MP7s. It looks like they're using the same armorers as Battlestar Galactica (as you can tell by the tricked out CX4 Storms from a previous episode) and they had real MP7s in BSG. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 23:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

::The rest of the MP7 look real, so this one could be a real MP7 but is dose look off. it might be the sights are removed.

:::''The sights?'' How about the fact that, in proportion with the rest of the shot, it looks like someone dropped it in a compactor first? --[[User:Clutch|Clutch]] 04:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't think there's anything unique about this MP7. It has a 20-round mag and no sights, as someone else pointed out, but I don't think it's that different. Also, as Funkychinaman pointed out, we've already seen genuine MP7s in other productions that rented their weapons from Felcan Enterprises (the armorers on this show), so I don't know why they'd need to use a dressed-up MAC-11. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== "Iron Man" Suit ==

[[Image:HT P90 aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Human Target]]
[[Image:24_M26_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|24, Season 8]]
Is this a real life suit or just happen to use the same prop?

Dude on top is wearing a helmet, sunglasses/goggles, balaclava, and non-modular boy armour. Jack has a mask, and modular body armour. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 23:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Why am I thinking of Army Of Two when i look at the bottom image? [[User:SeanWolf]]

Because it's an Army of Two mask. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Dead Head==

In this episode winston gets out a folding stock shotgun and actually unfolds the stock and shoulders it before use, this was a nice touch. Never see it anymore. couldn't identify the shotgun though.

Looked like an 870 Folder to me. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 14:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==A problem like maria==

Was that 2 tone M&Ps that guerro took off the bad guys? Looks like hector carries one in the next episode too, and chance seems to have switched the walther for a custom 1911.

As far as the 1911 goes, I found two that could be it. Chance's has 3 front cocking serrations, and was stainless at beginng but in a closeup when he gave it to Ilsa it was black (could have been lighting). 1st is a Para Ord P-14/ hi cap and 2nd is a Para Ord LDA. It also could have been a custom kimber of some sort. the show is filmed in Canada, and para is canada comp. UPDATE: Just watched again (yay DVRs) and it was definitely black with silver barrel. It had a skeletonized hammer and traditional single action trigger. Sorry, no screencaps. Also, is there a para specialist out there? I thought i saw a four letter word starting with p on the top of the ejection port. --[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 01:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

[[Image:ParaOrdnanceP14.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Para Ordnance P14]]

[[Image:Para Ordinance LDA hammerless.jpg|thumb|none|200px|Para Ordnance LDA Hammerless]]

Shape looks the same but color pattern was different, his seemed all stainless, the cocking serrations weren't black. Do you think this will replace his signature p99? And I believe the gun hector, guerro, and ilsa used was a 2 tone m&P.

When was his all stainless? When he gave it to ilsa it was black, and also at beginng of problem like maria. I hope it doesnt replace the p99. Its nice to see some diversity of guns on tv, but i think chance needs a p99. In the preview for next weeks opera episode, they showed a flash of chance whith a 92fs sliding down a rope. Also, search on the internet stealth s14-45, its a para that could be it. Hector definitely used m&ps, and i think his brother used a sig p225 or p226, it looked compact in ames' hands, but later in the helicopter it looked like a full size 226. Also, was the gun that guererro gave ames a beretta jetfire? Either that or a tomcat.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 05:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Hulu resolution is pretty bad so i may be missing something.

Just uploaded the S14-45, here it is just cuz. I'll also add the m&p and p225/226
[[Image:Para-sx1445er.jpg|thumb|none|200pz|Para Ordnance S14-45 Stealth]]

==Baptiste (Lennie James) gun handling==

Its strange, you usually see a good grip and trigger discipline, or bad grip and bad trigger discipline. He ends up having good trigger control, keeping finger along slide, but has a horrible low cup and saucer grip. Seems strange to see this combo.

In Jericho he always seemed to have a good grip and trigger discipline. Strange that he would go from good to bad. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 18:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:''[[Jericho]]''? Seriously?

:[[Image:Jericho92F-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hawkins ([[Lennie James]]) aims his Beretta]]

:He uses the exact same cup-and-saucer grip throughout ''[[Jericho]]'' that he's used in this show. I also believe I remember him holding pistols the same way in some other movies and TV shows in which he's appeared. So I don't think he's gone from good to bad...his grip on almost any pistol he's ever handled is pretty much the same. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Cool Hand Guerrero ==

I just watched "Cool Hand Guerrero" where Chance has a bad experience in a gun store, interesting thing is all the customers who are browsing suddenly turn and start shooting at him. I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure they wouldnt keep all their guns loaded...

Or use a UMP.....

:That was an MP5 with a UMP stock. The exact same one Guerrero handled in the previous episode,. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yeah, over the past two seasons I've noticed this show re-uses firearm props. A lot.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 22:22, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Every TV show is like that: You'll routinely see weapons being reused by different characters in many episodes. They don't have unlimited money to rent many different types of firearms, so of course you're gonna see the same guns often. What's really crazy to me is when I see the exact same weapon getting reused in many different movies or TV shows. The exact same "Beretta 93R" used in this show (which is actually a Beretta 92FS modified to look like a 93R) has been used in ''[[Viper]]'', ''[[The Sentinel (TV series)|The Sentinel]]'', ''[[Harsh Realm]]'', ''[[Stargate SG-1]]'', etc. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

With a bunch of tactical accessories and a scope...

Or shoot at hundreds of dollars worth of stuff just to stop a burglar stealing a few DVDs...

Exactly.

==Dark Knight References==

The episode "Imbroglio" contains numerous Dark Knight references. From the use of bad guys wearing masks to disguising hostages as gunmen and taping submachine guns on them. Not to mention both Batman and Human Target are based on DC Comics.

==Seies Finale revolver==
Just watched the season one finale the hidden revolver is definatly a Smith 29, added it to the main page as the pics to confirm where already there--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 07:26, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Human Target

2011-02-04T07:24:43Z

Captain Snikt: /* Unknown Pistols */

[[Image:Human-Target-Poster.jpg|thumb|right|350px|''Human Target'' (2010 - ????)]]
''Human Target'' is a TV series follows the life of Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), a unique private contractor, bodyguard and security expert hired to protect his clients. He protects his clients by completely integrating himself into the lives of the client, to become the human target. Based on DC Comics by Len Wein and Carmine Infantino.

'''The following weapons appear in the television series ''Human Target'':'''
 

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==Handguns==

===Walther P99===
Christopher Chance's ([[Mark Valley]]) preferred pistol. In the Pilot episode, Chance used the newer version of the P99, the QA version. He did not use any version of the P99 in 'Rewind', 'Embassy Row', 'Salvage and Reclamation', 'Corner Man', 'Tanarak' and 'Victoria'. However, in 'Sanctuary', 'Run', 'Lockdown', 'Baptiste', and 'Christopher Chance' he used the pre-2004 version (the James Bond version). In 'Sanctuary', Sam Fisher used a Walther P99, before it was taken by Chance and used to shoot Fisher's henchmen. In 'Baptiste' and 'Christopher Chance', Baptiste ([[Lennie James]]) used a pre-2004 P99 with a silver slide. It was also portrayed in the opening credits of the show. It first made its appearance in the first episode of Season 2's 'Ilsa Pucci' under the disguise of a bank security guard.

[[Image:Walther-P99QA LS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99|Walther P99QA]] - 9mm]]

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:P99 Lockdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance using the P99 in "Lockdown".]]

[[Image:P99 rear closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of P99's rear sights in "Pilot", aimed at the assassin.]]

[[Image:Baptiste P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptise with his P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT silenced P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste putting a silencer on his P99 in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 forest.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An army soldier is threatened by his superior officer using his own P99 in "Salvage and Reclamation".]]

[[Image:HT sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The soldier's sidearm surrendered to his CO.]]

[[Image:HT P99 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Fisher ([[William Mapother]]) aims the P99 at Chance after he saves John Gray from nearly falling off the gondola in "Sanctuary".]]

[[Image:HT opening.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P99 shown in the opening credits with a silencer mounted.]]

[[Image:HT metro.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at Baptiste at the Washington Metro in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 grip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katherine Walters handles the P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)ChanceP99IWB.PNG|thumb|none|500px|Chance removing his P99 from his belt in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Chance P99(2.1) Bank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at the Interrogator ([[Timothy Omundson]]) and Winston.]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)FireAlarm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance shooting the fire alarm of the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45 Limited===
Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) changes his sidearm in Season 2's 'A Problem Like Maria' to a Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45. He carries one starting from 'Communication Breakdown' and gives it to Ilsa at one point. He can also be seen using it in 'Cool Hand Guerrero' in Gun World to shoot the camera. In 'Kill Bob' he uses it, only to trade weapons with Natalya 'Angie' during their fight.
[[Image:Para-sx1445er.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Para Ordnance S14-45 Limited (Stealth Edition)]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the S14-45 at Hector before realizing he's shot.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa handles the S14-45 given to her by Chance.]]
[[Image:Chance_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fires the Para Ordnance S14-45 at the beginning of "A Problem Like Maria".]]
[[Image:Chance_S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking cover while holding the S14-45. Note double-stack sized magazine.]]
[[Image:Ilsa S14 45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa picking up the S14-45.]]
[[Image:S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S14-45 set on a table. Note silver ejection port, 6 rear cocking serrations and 3 in the fron, and obvious double-stack thickness.]]

===Heckler & Koch Mk. 23===
The assassin uses a suppressed Mk. 23 after his first, and more covert way to kill Stephanie Dobbs ([[Tricia Helfer]]) failed in "Pilot".

[[Image:H&KMk23ModwKnightsSuppressor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[H&K Mk 23 Mod 0]] - .45 ACP with Knight Armaments suppressor.]]

[[Image:HT silenced pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The assassin (Mike Desabrais) searching for Chance and Stephanie after initially failing to kill them in the California Bullet Train.]]

===Beretta 92FS===
In "Run", renegade San Francisco Police detectives under Wes Gibson are armed with the 92FS. SFPD officers are also seen using the 92FS. At the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci", the Interrogator's ([[Timothy Omundson]]) henchmen use 92FS's in the bank. Used by Chance and Baptiste in "The Return of Baptiste." Broward aims his 92FS at John Doe in "Dead Head" after he realizes that he was faking the recovery of his real memory. Maria uses this as her sidearm in "A Problem like Maria". Victor Rosko ([[Eric Pollins]]) has one in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Wes Gibson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibson with the 92FS in "Run".]]

[[Image:HT 92FS jam.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance using his hand to jam the 92FS' slide.]]

[[Image:HT SFPD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officers aiming at the incoming rigged ambulance with their 92FS pistols.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 92FS with its slide retracted back.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance firing the 92FS in Gibson's hands, killing a rogue SFPD detective.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber 2 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogater's henchman with the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber1 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogator's henchman aims the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the 92FS at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT Beretta pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Broward intimidating John Doe with his sidearm aimed at his neck.]]

[[Image:Human Target Maria pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria aims her 92FS at Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Victor aims his 92FS at the head of Connie Pucci.]]

===Beretta 92FS Inox===
Found in a secret compartment in the Brooks residence in "The Wife's Tale". Used by Rebecca in an attempt to shoot Chance after she finds out what happened to her deceased husband.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Human Target Beretta Inox.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inox pistol in Brooks residence.]]

===Beretta 93R===
Used by two gunman working for Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:HT 93R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman opens fire at Chance inside a bank in Geneva. Here he holds the foregrip.]]
[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another gunman covers Shelly and the others by firing his 93R at Chance inside the bank.]]

===Glock 17===
A Federal Air Marshal in "Rewind" is armed with a Glock 17, detaining Chance after suspecting him of being a felon. The stewardess arms herself with the Glock 17 after Chance disarms the air marshal. In reality, they are suppose to be using the Sig Sauer P229 as their main sidearm. FBI agents in "Lockdown" are portrayed using Glock 17 as their main sidearm. Emma Barnes uses the Glock 17 as her sidearm with the FBI from the episode "Baptiste". Security guards in "Sanctuary" fought against Sam Fisher's gang with Glock 17s. Seattle police officers are armed with the Glock 17 in "Pilot". Rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria" use them to gun down Chance and Victoria in order to prevent them from showing evidence to the Queen in incriminating Templeton to a murder attempt against the princess after infiltrating the museum. Security Guards for a bank and security personnel in Ilsa's party used them at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". SFPD detectives use Glock 17s in "Dead Head". A thug is armed with a Glock 17 in 'The Other Side of the Mall', suppressed when he attacks Winston and the mother, and unsuppressed when he sticks it in Joel's back. A few Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria are armed with Glock 17s. Corrupt Arizona State prison guards and Guerrero use it in ""Cool Hand Guerrero", the latter trying to threaten death to the corrupt warden for accusing him of murder.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Air Marshal armed with Glock 17.]]

[[Image:HT Stewardess.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stewardess pointing the Glock 17 at the disarmed marshal.]]

[[Image:HT FBI.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An FBI agent in "Lockdown" with the Glock 17 aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT metro a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Emma Barnes in "Baptiste" aims her Glock 17 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A security guard in "Santuary" takes aim at Sam Fisher's gang.]]

[[Image:HT Seattle pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pistol on the left is the Glock 17, at the hands of a Settle PD officer.]]

[[Image:HT cornered.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis held at gunpoint by a rogue Protection Command bodyguard with a Glock 17, although the shot makes it hard to tell if it's the actual pistol.]]

[[Image:HT assassin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin in a dream sequence with a silenced Glock 17 after assassinating Gerard.]]

[[Image:HT BankSecurity(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bank Security Guards use the Glock in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Glocks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Security personnel armed with Glock 17s.]]

[[Image:HT detective.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD detective searching Ilsa's office.]]

[[Image:HT takedown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance takes down a corrupt Major Crimes Unit detective.]]

[[Image:ThugGlock17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug with the Glock in "The Other Side of the Mall.]]

===Glock 19===
Gerard uses the Glock 19 as his main sidearm in "Victoria", gunning down two rogue Protection Command bodyguards before he was shot himself.

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Gerard kitchen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard shooting a rogue Protection Command bodyguard in the hotel's kitchen.]]
[[Image:HT Gerard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard holding the Glock 19.]]

===SIG-Sauer P225===
In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez uses a [[SIG-Sauer P225]] initially, then later it switches to a full size P226. Its compact size can be seen when Ames takes it and tries to leave the bar.

[[Image:SIG-Sauer-P225.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P225 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Human Target Eladio Lopez.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames disarming Eladio of his P225.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ames pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames aiming the P225 at the Lopez brothers.]]

===SIG-Sauer P226===

Used by Laverne Winston ([[Chi McBride]]) as his main sidearm in 'Sanctuary' and 'Baptiste'. He also uses one in Season 2's "The Wife's Tale". One can be seen in the flashback to Chance's assassin days in his toolbox in "The Wife's Tale" (2.2). In "Dead Head", Chance takes Winston's P226 after being attacked by Mongrel bikers. In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez initially carries a P225, but it switches to a full size P226 later when he pulls it in the helicopter.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[SIG-Sauer P226]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:P226 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs in "Sanctuary".]]
[[Image:HT pistol aiming.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs.]]
[[Image:Human Target pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P226 found next to the silenced P99, which was used to assassinate his target.]]
[[Image:HT pistol cock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance gripping the P226's slide.]]
[[Image:ChanceWinstonP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance racking the slide of Winston's P226 before taking on the Mongrels.]]
[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio aiming the P226 at Maria.]]

===Walther PPK===
Gerard had a Walther PPK in an ankle holster in the episode "Victoria". He then gave it to Chance, who used it for the rest of the episode. Raven uses a nickel PPK in "Embassy Row" and assassin uses a smuggled one in "Rewind".

[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Walther PPK]] with brown grips.]]

[[Image:HT PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard making a grab for the PPK on his left ankle holster.]]

[[Image:HT PPK grab.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking the PPK from Gerard after the pistol was hurled to him.]]

[[Image:HT confiscated PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis confiscates Gerard's PPK.]]

[[Image:HT compact pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Raven handling the pistol in "Embassy Row" after assassinating Victor Shukoff on embassy grounds. For this episode, this shot assumes it's a nickel PPK.]]

[[Image:HT Rewind.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin with the silenced pistol, being attacked first by Chance.]]

===Desert Eagle===
Joubert ([[Armand Assante]]) uses a dressed up [[Desert Eagle]] in the episode "Christopher Chance". One with a nickel finish is seen holstered in the jean pants of Esteban in the Triple Frontier in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle - .50 AE.]]

[[Image:HT Confrontation.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joubert with his semi-dressed up Desert Eagle in a silver finish.]]

[[Image:HT DE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Esteban negotiating with Ilsa in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:Esteban_Deagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another scene. Not a good place to stick your Desert Eagle. Imagine if that goes off!]]

===M1911 ===
In "Victoria", a dream sequence showed assassins planting a used M1911 at the hands of Tony Sorrento after shooting him with the pistol, previously silenced, to frame him for being a murderer. The former Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) uses this to save Chance by wounding Baptiste in "Christopher Chance" before he was killed with a hurled combat knife in the chest. Chance uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]

[[Image:HT evidence.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An assassin plants the M1911 in a dream sequence where it is suggested he would be framed as a killer.]]

[[Image:HT M1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) aiming the M1911 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT M1911 harbor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) knifed in the chest, still holding his M1911.]]

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the M1911 at Baptiste in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:Chance1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

====Custom M1911====
Used by Chicago in "Taking Ames" to pistol whip Marcus. Winston picks it up at one point.

[[Image:Human Target Custom 1911 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marcus before he was pistol whipped with a custom 1911.]]

[[Image:WinstonChicago1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston with the 1911.]]

===[[Makarov PM]]===
Standard sidearm of Russian Embassy security forces in "Embassy Row". Raven aka Peter Blanchard disarms one of the guards and uses it to gun down Alexei Volkov and some of the guards with him at the embassy's security room before Emma kicks him to disarm him of the weapon.

[[Image:HT Makarov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Makarov PM on the floor after Emma disarms Raven by kicking him.]]

[[Image:HT Makarov a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the specific style of slide mounted safety and the magazine release. In this shot, the Makarov has changed to a Walther PPK.]]

===FN Five-SeveN===
A thug under Hugh Prentiss in "Corner Man" takes aim at Chance with the [[FN Five-seveN]] USG. Hugh tries to take the pistol after thug is killed by Chance. Two assassins used a suppressed version before Winston takes one of them in "The Other Side Of The Mall." They change to the newer USG version in a continuity error.

[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN USG (U.S. Government), 5.7x28mm. This is the most common version of the Five Seven in channels of commerce. It has a frame mounted safety and integral rails. No FN Five-seveN is issued with a threaded barrel, however, threaded barrels for sound suppressors are commercially available as an aftermarket item.]]

[[Image:FN-Five-seveN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN (Original Model), 5.7x28mm. This model is no longer produced.]]

[[Image:Five-SeveN USG ground.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh attempting to grab the USG.]]

[[Image:HT USG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh's thug with the USG aimed at the back of Chance.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the suppressed USG pistol on his right hand.]]

[[Image:HT USG pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aiming the suppressed USG at a civilian.]]

[[Image:5-7_old_model HT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug loads his Five-seveN in "The Other Side of the Mall". The rounded trigger tells that it is the old model.]]

===Beretta 21 or 950===

Chance takes either a [[Beretta 21 Bobcat]] or a [[Beretta 950 Jetfire]] from an assassin disguised as a stewardess in "Rewind".

[[Image:HT plane.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance showing off the pistol he took from the stewardess.]]

===Beretta Cougar===

The [[Beretta Cougar]] is Guerrero's ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) main sidearm. He has one brandished at the pilot of a cargo airplane in "Salvage and Reclamation". He also uses one in "Sanctuary" and "Christopher Chance". Guerrero can be seen carrying one in Season 2's "Ilsa Pucci" when he checks the elevator and threatens to shoot Ames' kneecaps. He also carries it in "Dead Head" and in "Imbroglio" to test out a kevlar vest Chance "got in the mail".

[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at the cargo pilot.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at Joubert from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out the informant from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the pistol used by Guerrero to finish off the downed informant.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero Beretta 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero responding to Chance after he searched the elevator in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:Guerrero Beretta 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero threatening to shoot Ames' kneecaps if she doesn't tell him who hired her in "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:HT Beretta Cougar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cougar being prepared by Guerrero after he sees two SFPD detectives arriving outside the bank.]]
[[Image:Human Target test.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero meeting Ilsa while aiming the Cougar at Chance's kevlar-covered chest.]]

===Beretta Px4 Storm===

Winston uses it in "The Other Side of the Mall" as his sidearm, outfitted with a laser module.

[[Image:Px4 Storm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Px4 Storm 9x19mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the Px4 Storm on his left hand after chasing out the assassins.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the Storm.]]

===Smith and Wesson 5904===

In "Dead Head", Winston removes a [[Smith & Wesson 5904]] from Lieutenant Broward, which changed from a [[Beretta 92FS]].

[[Image:S&W5904LateModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Late Model Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:WinstonBroward 5904.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston taking Broward's 5904]]

===CZ 75 "Pre B"===

Seen used by at first Baptiste to shoot a thug in a bar, then held by Chance in a standoff after they fight. Has wood grips.

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the CZ 75 "Pre B" at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT CZ closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CZ 75 in Baptiste's hands. Note good trigger discipline, but awful grip.]]

[[Image:Wood_CZ75.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ-75 "Pre B"'s wood grips.]]

===Jericho 941===

Baptiste uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the Jericho 941 at Chance in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:HT hammer down.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste cocking the hammer of the Jericho 941. Shows good trigger discipline, but a very poor low grip.]]

===Smith & Wesson M&P===
Hector Lopez uses dual [[Smith & Wesson M&P]]s with nickel slides in 'A Problem Like Maria' and 'Communications Breakdown'. They are also momentarily used by Guererro and Ilsa.

[[Image:Twotone mp.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twotone M&P - 9mm]]

[[Image:Human Target dual pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero with the dual M&Ps after disarming Hector.]]
[[Image:Human Target M&P.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa beaten up before she kills Hector with his own sidearm.]]

===Taurus PT92===
Used by Eli Rosko ([[Carlo Rota]]) in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:Human Target Eli Rosko.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli aiming the pistol at Ilsa, taking her hostage.]]

[[Image:Human Target leveled pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Perhaps I wasn't clear before."]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the PT92.]]

===Tokarev TT-33===

Baptiste aims at Chance with a TT-33 in Ilsa's private plane in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste angrily aiming the TT-33 at Chance. Finger off trigger and hammer down, wich would in reality not be very threatening. ]]

===Vektor CP1===

Used by Ilsa's corrupt attorney Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci" as his personal sidearm when he was in Geneva.

[[Image:HT CP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shelly aiming the CP1 at Ilsa to make Chance drop his sidearm before he was wounded by Guerrero.]]

===Smith and Wesson Model 29===

==Smith & Wesson Model 29 ==

In the season one finale 'Christopher Chance', Chance uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] hidden revolver to take out some of the commando's and then levels it at Joubert.

[[Image:HT revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aims the revolver at Joubert before realizing he's out of ammo.]]
[[Image:Revolver pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance with the revolver.]]

===Unknown Pistols===
The air marshal draws out a compact pistol in "Rewind", making Winston tackle him to disarm him again. Connor Dunham uses a silenced pistol in "Victoria"

[[Image:HT plane a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston tackles the air mashal after seeing him draw out a compact pistol.]]
[[Image:HT silenced pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Connor with the silenced pistol aimed at Chance and Victoria.]]

==Submachine Guns==

===FN P90===
Used by the unknown commandos in "Christopher Chance". It was outfitted with a laser and flashlight. One was also used by Ilsa's kidnappers to shoot at Chance in Season 2's pilot- "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:FNP90Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[FN P90]] without laser or flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT P90 aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando aims at Carmine after he pulled the P90's bolt.]]

[[Image:HT P90 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the P90. On the left is the flashlight; the right is the laser designator.]]

[[Image:HT P90s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unknown commandos infiltrate the second floor of Chance's/Winston's office while aiming their P90s.]]

[[Image:HT FN P90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A P90 is fired at Chance outside the hotel.]]

[[Image:HT P90 view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing the P90. On the right of the weapon is the flashlight module.]]

===H&K MP5===
One of Sam Fisher's crewmembers is armed with a HK MP5A3, outfitted with a tactical flashlight on its foregrip and a scope during a robbery in "Sanctuary". In "Christopher Chance", a commando is armed with a MP5 outfitted with a scope and a tactical foregrip attached to a railed barrel. Another commando has a MP5 outfitted with a UMP stock. MP5A3s is handled by Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria" when the Lopez brothers meet with Chance to exchange Ames and Guerrero for their hostage. Mercenaries use this in "Imbroglio", especially when they use Guerrero and a few hostages to be disguised as armed gunmen with MP5s taped to their bodies, similar to a scene from ''[[The Dark Knight]]'', (Not to mention Batman and Human Target are both based on DC Comics).

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at left with the MP5A3.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commando with a tricked up MP5.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the said MP5. Has a foregrip, scope and a tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando armed with the MP5, its UMP stock folded.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 stock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Lopez henchman with the MP5A3. You can see the extended stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5A3 foregrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the next shot, you can see the Surefire foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Imbroglio.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with the MP5 and a UMP stock. Possibly the same prop used in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance giving Guerrero a MP5 with a railed foregrip and an attached scope. You can see the Navy trigger group and the ring at the end to place a sling, replacing the stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A restrained Guerrero uses the MP5's tac flashlight switch to send a message with his loose finger.]]

===H&K MP5K===
The MP5K is seen in the hands of Victoria' rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria". The Lopez brothers are armed with it in "A Problem like Maria". Hector Lopez uses one hunting Chance and Ilsa in Season 2's "Communication Breakdown". A mercenary uses it in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KA4.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rogue Protection Command bodyguard is seen holding the MP5K on the left in "Victoria".]]

[[Image:HT fight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fights off the rogue Protection bodyguard to disarm him of his MP5K.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5Ks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio and Hector Lopez shoot the getaway car in "A Problem Like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector slaps on the bolt after reloading it somewhere in South America.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the MP5K used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K sling.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This MP5K has a tac flashlight and a foregrip.]]

[[Image:Hector_MP5k.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the MP5k.]]

===H&K MP7===

The company men shooting at Chance and Jessica in "Tanarak" use [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s. Russian security forces at the Russian embassy in "Embassy Row" use MP7s to attack both Chance and Emma when they escape from embassy grounds. In "Sanctuary", a Sam Fisher crewman starts the robbery by aiming the MP7 at the guards, as well as firing it against them. A Cervantes gunman in "The Return of Baptist" holds one on Chance and Baptiste. Mercenaries in "Imbroglio" use them. Chance takes one from one of them when he feigned illness. Ilsa uses one too after Chance knocks out another.

[[Image:H&K MP71A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] ]]

[[Image:HT MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary aims his MP7 at Chance. This does not have its standard picatinny railing on the receiver.]]

[[Image:HT MP7s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mercenaries armed with MP7s. One of the MP7s has the curved 40-round magazine.]]

[[Image:HT MP7 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of MP7 used by Russian Spetsnaz operator under cover of embassy guard. A scope is mounted on its picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:HT robbery crew.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sam Fisher crewman surprises guards with the MP7.]]

[[Image:HT attack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same crewman fires the MP7 at the guard after they started shooting at them.]]

[[Image:Cervantes MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cervantes gunman with the H&K MP7.]]

[[Image:Human Target Chance MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the MP7. This has a scope and a tactical flashlight on the right side.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP7 Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa after picking up the discarded MP7 to shoot the padlock.]]

===Unknown MP5===
In "Victoria", one of the assassin has a MP5-type submachine gun with its integral suppressor and a scope.

[[Image:HT silenced SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the assassins restraining Tony Sorrento has the silenced MP5.]]

===Heckler & Koch UMP===
A Lopez henchman is seen with the UMP after ambushing Ames and Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria". Another is seen in the same episode, but with no stock and instead, a sling takes it place.

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lopez henchman on the left with the UMP. It has a scope and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target UMP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Lopez henchman on the right is armed with the UMP, but has a sling in place with a scope.]]

===IMI Uzi===
A Cervantes gunman uses this when he and his comrades brought Ilsa to the Triple Frontier.

[[Image:HT Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cervantes gunman with the Uzi. This version has the metal folding stock.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right is the Uzi. You can see its barrel and cocking handle.]]

====IMI Mini-Uzi====
Used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio", holding everyone in the auditorium hostage.

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right side, you can see the barrel of the Mini-Uzi.]]

[[Image:Human Target Mini-Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Mini-Uzi.]]

===Unknown SMG===

[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The gunmen on the left and right are using MAC 11-like submachine guns.]]

==Shotguns==

===Remington 870 Shotgun===
Used briefly by Winston to shoot a commando in 'Christopher Chance'.

[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Shotgun with black stock]]

[[Image:HT shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston firing the shotgun at a surprised commando.]]

===Remington 870 Folded Stock===
A Sam Fisher crewman is armed with the Remington 870 with a folded stock in "Sanctuary" when a robbery takes place. Winston uses it as his main weapon from "Dead Head" onward.

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at right with the folded Remington 870 (partially unseen, but the stock can be seen.)]]

[[Image:HT robbery a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the crewman's Remington 870.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The 870 is fired at the guards after shooting starts.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston takes the shotgun from the Cadillac Escalade in "Dead Head".]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Firing the shotgun at Mongrel bikers.]]

[[Image:Human Target shotgun close up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston after taking out assassins in "Communication Breakdown".]]

===Sawed off Remington 870 Field Gun===
Maria uses the sawed off Remington 870 in "Salvage and Reclamation". A sawed off 870 shotgun was used by Guerrero when he was posing as a security guard at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". Chance uses this to save John Doe from Broward's custody by shooting the unmarked Crown Victoria cruiser's tires and radio.

[[Image:HT sawed off 870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with her hands on the sawed off Remington 870.]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero approaching Winston's captors in the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance uses a sawed off 870 aimed at Broward's unmarked cruiser.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the sawed off 870 at the unmarked cruiser's radio.]]

===Remington 870 Slug Gun===
A Remington 870 Slug Gun in black furniture is used brifly by a mercenary in "Tanarak" before Chance disarms him of it and commandeers the weapon.

[[Image:HT shotgun trunk.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Slug Gun in the trunk of the Suburban.]]

[[Image:HT 870 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The mercenary knocked off. Note the sights on the shotgun, which indicates it is a Slug Gun from the regular 870.]]

===Serbu Super-Shorty===
In 'Christopher Chance', in the flashback, Chance finds a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] in the bottom of a drawer.

[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance examines the Super-Shorty found from the bottom of a drawer.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the shotgun.]]

===Ithaca 37===
A sawed off Ithaca 37 is used by a Mongrel biker hired to take out Chance and Winston in "Dead Head".

[[Image:Ithaca m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ithaca 37 12 gauge with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off Ithaca 37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Mongrel biker taking aim with a sawed off Ithaca 37.]]

===Franchi SPAS-12===
Used by SFPD officers barging in the Major Crimes Unit office after hearing noise from the outside in "Dead Head". (Which is pretty rare in real life.)

[[Image:HT barging in.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer armed with SPAS-12. This has a torchlight.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun porting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another SFPD officer with the SPAS-12. Also has a torchlight mounted.]]

===Franchi SPAS-15===
Briefly handled by Chance in "A Problem like Maria".

[[Image:Human Target SPAS 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the SPAS-15. Can be barely seen due to the mirror's reflection.]]

==Assault Rifles==

===AKM===
Used by a Cervantes gunman chasing Chance, Baptiste and Susan in Paraguay via pickup truck.

[[Image:HT chase.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A satisfactory closeup of the AKM used by a Cervantes gunman in Paraguay.]]

===AKS-74U===
Russian Spetsnaz operators were on duty in the Russian Embassy as embassy security guards with the AKS-74U in "Embassy Row." A Cervantes gunman uses this when he was "taking" Ilsa to negotiate for Susan Connors' release in South America.

[[Image:HT AKSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian embassy guard approaches Chance and Emma with an AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT Russian embassy guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian guards in tactical gear armed with AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT AKS-74U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cervantes gunman in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the left is the AKS-74U. You can see its trigger guard and plastic magazine.]]

===Beretta CX4 Storm===
Seen used by Sentronics "level 2" security officers, their chief of security Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and briefly by Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) in "Lockdown", attached with flashlights on the forgrip picatinny railing and scopes on top of the receiver. The Beretta Cx4 Storm carbines used in this episode are the same Cx4s that were used in the re-imagined series of ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' (note the muzzle).

[[Image:Beretta_CX4_storm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta CX4 Storm - 9x19mm, .40 S&W & .45 ACP]]

[[Image:Human-Target-CX4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Head of Sentronics security, Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), fight in an elevator for control of a [[Beretta CX4 Storm]] in season 1, episode 6.]]

[[Image:HT CX4 barrel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CX4's barrel with the tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT Sentronics guards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sentronics guards armed with CX4s.]]

===Colt M16A4===
A Colt M16A4 is seemingly used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". Also used by Paraguayan army in "The Return of Baptiste."

[[Image:HT soldiers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldiers sweeping a bar alongside Bertram.]]

[[Image:HT Army.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Paraguayan army soldiers manning a roadblock near a local airport.]]

===Colt M4===
Used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". These have tactical foregrips.

[[Image:HT guard rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldier with the M4.]]

===Colt M4A1===
Used by FBI Hostage Rescue Team assaulters in "Baptiste" after arresting him. In "Pilot", Seattle SWAT teams are armed with the M4A1, outfitted with a tactical foregrip. Guerrero uses one in "Communication Breakdown" to protect an investigator from assassins.

[[Image:HT rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI HRT assaulter with M4A1 at the left. His rifle has a scope (unseen) and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:HT SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operators guiding hostages out of the premises.]]

[[Image:Human Target Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero wielding the M4A1 after gunning down an assassin.]]

===Norinco Type 56===
In "Salvage and Reclamation", Doug Slocum is armed with it after Chance and Maria ([[Leonor Varela]]) bust out of the besieged bar from initially using the Type 84S. This has a bayonet lug, but without the bayonet. Chance is also seen holding one until he gives it to Maria at the end of the episode.

All of the Type 56 rifles seen in this episode (and other episodes) are actually airsoft replicas made by Real Sword. They are replaced with the Type 84s in firing scenes for this reason.

[[Image:HT Type 56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 56. This has no bayonet present in the lug.]]

[[Image:HT Maria Type 56 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with the Type 56 after helping Chance and Doug escape.]]

===Norinco Type 84S===
A Norinco Type 84S is used by Doug to distract the soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation." This magically changes to the Type 56 later when Chance and Maria escape the bar.

[[Image:HT Type 84S.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 84S, firing away with a sadistic smile. Pacifist? Not anymore.]]

===SIG SG 552===
San Francisco Police officers in "Run" are armed with the SIG SG 552, used to gun down a rigged ambulance trying to breach the blocked road. This rifle is, however, not being used by the actual SFPD. In "A Problem like Maria", Winston uses it when he fights against the henchmen of the Lopez henchmen. Some of them are also armed with the rifle in ambushing Ames and Guerrero.

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer with the SIG SG 552.]]

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SG 552. This one has a picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two of the Lopez henchmen with 552s, outfitted with a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target Winston shooting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The blur makes the image a bit bad, but this is a SG 552 outfitted with a foregrip and a scope.]]

[[Image:Human Target pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston poses with the 552 after the Lopez henchmen were defeated.]]

===Unknown AK-type rifles===
Another Sam Fisher crewman is armed with a AK-based rifle in "Sanctuary". Also seen with Pablo and with several mercenaries in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also at the left of the picture, a crewman is armed with a AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An unknown AK rifle is handled by Pablo, aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with an AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An uninjured mercenary chases after Doug and Maria.]]

==Bolt-Action Rifles==

===Karabiner 98k===
A Karabiner 98k is seemingly used in "Salvage and Reclamation", used by one of Pablo's men.

[[Image:HT bolt action rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The guy can be seen with the 98k, but the camera distance makes it hard to confirm.]]

[[Image:HT prisoners.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the supposed 98k.]]

==Sniper Rifles==

===Barrett M107===
Seen disassembled in the black room in "Lockdown", disassembled by Chance
.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Barrett rifle parts.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance disassembling the M107.]]

===Unknown M14/M1A===

Guerrero uses this to cover Chance while he and Ilsa escape the bank in Switzerland from the episode "Ilsa Pucci." Receiver is not clearly seen to tell which model it is. He uses it again to cover Bob in "Kill Bob". The exact same prop is seen in Gun World in "Cool Hand Guerrero".

[[Image:HT rifle check.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero conducting a weapons check on the M14 with a mounted riflescope.]]

[[Image:Guerrero M14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out Shelly and his men in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Remington 700===
Guerrero finds a [[Remington 700]] in the cab of a pickup when he and Winston are being held down by sniper fire in the episode "Victoria".

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]

[[Image:HT M700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the Remington 700 at the sniper outside.]]

[[Image:HT rifle garage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero examining the Remington 700, taken from a pickup.]]

===Remington 700PSS/700P===
A sniper uses a [[Remington 700PSS]] to hold Winston and Guerrero in a garage in the episode "Victoria". It is shown to be firing semi-automatically though. A Seattle SWAT sniper is seemingly using the rifle too in "Pilot". It was not fired. The Remington 700PSS/P is used again by Guerrero ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) to cover Chance and Ilsa Pucci during the banquet in the episode "Ilsa Pucci."

[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]

[[Image:Picture_3000.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Guerrero arming himself with the 700PSS]]

====Remington 700 AICS====
Guerrero uses a Remington 700 AICS sniper rifle chassis to position his audio surveillance equipment in "Taking Ames".

[[Image:Human Target AICS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero using the audio surveillance equipment on a Remington 700 AICS.]]

===SIG Sauer SSG 3000===
A FBI Hostage Rescue Team sniper is armed with the SIG Sauer SSG 3000 in "Baptiste".

[[Image:SSG3000.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG Sauer SSG 3000.]]
[[Image:HT sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBT HRT sniper reports back to controller in "Baptiste", providing overwatch before he was executed by Baptiste by snapping his neck.]]

===Remington 7400===
Hollis, an ex-firm employee uses this as his main weapon alongside a vest rigged with plastique explosives in "Pilot". Chance disarms the employee and kills him with a single shot at his vest.
[[Image:7400wd-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 7400 - .308]]

[[Image:7600 Pilot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity photo of Hollis, armed with the Remington 7400, arguing with Chance as he tries to get close in order to disarm the rifle from the employee.]]

[[Image:HT closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 7400's sights.]]

[[Image:HT Chance shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ending Hollis' planned attempt to murder his boss, Lydecker, by firing the 7400 at his suicide vest.]]

==Machine Guns==

===DShk machine gun===
Used by Cervantes gunmen before they were disabled after Chance and Baptiste kill the gunners.

[[Image:HT machine gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShk being manned by Cervantes gunman before Baptiste shoots him.]]

==Grenade launchers==

===DefTech 37mm launcher===

A Seattle SWAT operator prepares the DefTech 37mm launcher after loading it up in "Pilot" over a hostage situation.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech 37mm launcher]]

[[Image:HT launcher load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Loading the DefTech 37mm launcher with presumably non-lethal grenade shells.]]

[[Image:HT launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operator armed with DefTech 37mm launcher.]]

===RPG-7===
A RPG-7 is seen slung on the back of an armed mercenary in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 slinged on the back of an armed mercenary.]]

[[Image:HT RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary working under Jesus Montaya with a RPG warhead on his backpack.]]

==Rocket Launchers==

==FIM-92A Stinger==
Hector Lopez uses a Stinger in "A Problem in Maria" and in "Communication Breakdown" to shoot down Ilsa's private plane as retribution for Eladio's death.

[[Image:Human Target Stinger reticle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the Stinger. You can see the functioning reticle.]]
[[Image:Human Target Stinger rear.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rear part of Hector's Stinger, still aimed at Ilsa's private plane.]]

===Unknown Rocket Launcher===
Winston uses an unknown rocket launcher in "A Problem Like Maria" to destroy a truck, giving Chance and the others enough distraction to fight off the Lopez brothers. It has a digital touchscreen to make the weapon work.

[[Image:Human Target bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rocket launcher with Hebrew writing.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston loads the warhead from the front.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka front.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The front portion of the rocket launcher.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka actual.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston handling the Hebrew-based touchscreen.]]

==Homemade Weapons==

===Molotov Cocktail===
Chance threw his homemade Molotov Cocktail at an enemy SUV right at end of the pilot episode. Also done in "Dead Head".

[[Image:HT Molotov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance preparing a Molotov cocktail in "Dead Head".]]

===Improvised Gas Bomb===
Winston and Guerrero worked together to create a DYI flashbomb by using the gas meant to kill them tied inside an empty water dispenser bottle and detonated with an Iphone.

[[Image:Human Target DYI bomb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bomb rolled by Guerrero towards the assassins.]]
[[Image:Human Target call.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It's the call of your life, brother. And you're doomed.]]

==Others==
A huge assortment of firearms are aimed at Chance in Season 1's "Salvage and Reclamation" as well as Season 2's "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT assorted firearms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several firearms aimed at Chance. Poor guy. The assault rifle in that image looks like a Norinco Type 56. The pistols are probably an M1911A1 or Browning Hi-Power and the revolvers looks to be a Smith & Wesson Model 29.]]

[[Image:HT Cervantes Men.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Multiple firearms aimed at Chance and Baptiste. There is an [[M1 Garand]], an [[IMI Uzi]], an unknown AK variant, an AKS-74U, and an unknown pistol.]]

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Human Target

2011-02-04T07:23:51Z

Captain Snikt: /* Handguns */

[[Image:Human-Target-Poster.jpg|thumb|right|350px|''Human Target'' (2010 - ????)]]
''Human Target'' is a TV series follows the life of Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), a unique private contractor, bodyguard and security expert hired to protect his clients. He protects his clients by completely integrating himself into the lives of the client, to become the human target. Based on DC Comics by Len Wein and Carmine Infantino.

'''The following weapons appear in the television series ''Human Target'':'''
 

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==Handguns==

===Walther P99===
Christopher Chance's ([[Mark Valley]]) preferred pistol. In the Pilot episode, Chance used the newer version of the P99, the QA version. He did not use any version of the P99 in 'Rewind', 'Embassy Row', 'Salvage and Reclamation', 'Corner Man', 'Tanarak' and 'Victoria'. However, in 'Sanctuary', 'Run', 'Lockdown', 'Baptiste', and 'Christopher Chance' he used the pre-2004 version (the James Bond version). In 'Sanctuary', Sam Fisher used a Walther P99, before it was taken by Chance and used to shoot Fisher's henchmen. In 'Baptiste' and 'Christopher Chance', Baptiste ([[Lennie James]]) used a pre-2004 P99 with a silver slide. It was also portrayed in the opening credits of the show. It first made its appearance in the first episode of Season 2's 'Ilsa Pucci' under the disguise of a bank security guard.

[[Image:Walther-P99QA LS.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99|Walther P99QA]] - 9mm]]

[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:WaltherP99_twotoneA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|[[Walther P99]] - 9mm (pre-2004 version)]]

[[Image:P99 Lockdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance using the P99 in "Lockdown".]]

[[Image:P99 rear closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of P99's rear sights in "Pilot", aimed at the assassin.]]

[[Image:Baptiste P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptise with his P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT silenced P99.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste putting a silencer on his P99 in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 forest.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An army soldier is threatened by his superior officer using his own P99 in "Salvage and Reclamation".]]

[[Image:HT sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The soldier's sidearm surrendered to his CO.]]

[[Image:HT P99 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sam Fisher ([[William Mapother]]) aims the P99 at Chance after he saves John Gray from nearly falling off the gondola in "Sanctuary".]]

[[Image:HT opening.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P99 shown in the opening credits with a silencer mounted.]]

[[Image:HT metro.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at Baptiste at the Washington Metro in "Baptiste".]]

[[Image:HT P99 grip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Katherine Walters handles the P99 in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)ChanceP99IWB.PNG|thumb|none|500px|Chance removing his P99 from his belt in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Chance P99(2.1) Bank.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the P99 at the Interrogator ([[Timothy Omundson]]) and Winston.]]

[[Image:HT(2.1)FireAlarm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance shooting the fire alarm of the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45 Limited===
Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) changes his sidearm in Season 2's 'A Problem Like Maria' to a Para Ordnance Stealth S14-45. He carries one starting from 'Communication Breakdown' and gives it to Ilsa at one point. He can also be seen using it in 'Cool Hand Guerrero' in Gun World to shoot the camera. In 'Kill Bob' he uses it, only to trade weapons with Natalya 'Angie' during their fight.
[[Image:Para-sx1445er.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Para Ordnance S14-45 Limited (Stealth Edition)]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the S14-45 at Hector before realizing he's shot.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa handles the S14-45 given to her by Chance.]]
[[Image:Chance_2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fires the Para Ordnance S14-45 at the beginning of "A Problem Like Maria".]]
[[Image:Chance_S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking cover while holding the S14-45. Note double-stack sized magazine.]]
[[Image:Ilsa S14 45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa picking up the S14-45.]]
[[Image:S14_45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The S14-45 set on a table. Note silver ejection port, 6 rear cocking serrations and 3 in the fron, and obvious double-stack thickness.]]

===Heckler & Koch Mk. 23===
The assassin uses a suppressed Mk. 23 after his first, and more covert way to kill Stephanie Dobbs ([[Tricia Helfer]]) failed in "Pilot".

[[Image:H&KMk23ModwKnightsSuppressor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|[[H&K Mk 23 Mod 0]] - .45 ACP with Knight Armaments suppressor.]]

[[Image:HT silenced pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The assassin (Mike Desabrais) searching for Chance and Stephanie after initially failing to kill them in the California Bullet Train.]]

===Beretta 92FS===
In "Run", renegade San Francisco Police detectives under Wes Gibson are armed with the 92FS. SFPD officers are also seen using the 92FS. At the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci", the Interrogator's ([[Timothy Omundson]]) henchmen use 92FS's in the bank. Used by Chance and Baptiste in "The Return of Baptiste." Broward aims his 92FS at John Doe in "Dead Head" after he realizes that he was faking the recovery of his real memory. Maria uses this as her sidearm in "A Problem like Maria". Victor Rosko ([[Eric Pollins]]) has one in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Beretta 92FS]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Wes Gibson.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gibson with the 92FS in "Run".]]

[[Image:HT 92FS jam.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance using his hand to jam the 92FS' slide.]]

[[Image:HT SFPD.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officers aiming at the incoming rigged ambulance with their 92FS pistols.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 92FS with its slide retracted back.]]

[[Image:HT 92FS fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance firing the 92FS in Gibson's hands, killing a rogue SFPD detective.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber 2 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogater's henchman with the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT BankRobber1 (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Interrogator's henchman aims the Beretta.]]

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the 92FS at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT Beretta pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Broward intimidating John Doe with his sidearm aimed at his neck.]]

[[Image:Human Target Maria pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria aims her 92FS at Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Victor aims his 92FS at the head of Connie Pucci.]]

===Beretta 92FS Inox===
Found in a secret compartment in the Brooks residence in "The Wife's Tale". Used by Rebecca in an attempt to shoot Chance after she finds out what happened to her deceased husband.

[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92FS INOX - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:Human Target Beretta Inox.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Inox pistol in Brooks residence.]]

===Beretta 93R===
Used by two gunman working for Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:HT 93R.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman opens fire at Chance inside a bank in Geneva. Here he holds the foregrip.]]
[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another gunman covers Shelly and the others by firing his 93R at Chance inside the bank.]]

===Glock 17===
A Federal Air Marshal in "Rewind" is armed with a Glock 17, detaining Chance after suspecting him of being a felon. The stewardess arms herself with the Glock 17 after Chance disarms the air marshal. In reality, they are suppose to be using the Sig Sauer P229 as their main sidearm. FBI agents in "Lockdown" are portrayed using Glock 17 as their main sidearm. Emma Barnes uses the Glock 17 as her sidearm with the FBI from the episode "Baptiste". Security guards in "Sanctuary" fought against Sam Fisher's gang with Glock 17s. Seattle police officers are armed with the Glock 17 in "Pilot". Rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria" use them to gun down Chance and Victoria in order to prevent them from showing evidence to the Queen in incriminating Templeton to a murder attempt against the princess after infiltrating the museum. Security Guards for a bank and security personnel in Ilsa's party used them at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". SFPD detectives use Glock 17s in "Dead Head". A thug is armed with a Glock 17 in 'The Other Side of the Mall', suppressed when he attacks Winston and the mother, and unsuppressed when he sticks it in Joel's back. A few Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria are armed with Glock 17s. Corrupt Arizona State prison guards and Guerrero use it in ""Cool Hand Guerrero", the latter trying to threaten death to the corrupt warden for accusing him of murder.

[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Glock 17]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Glock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Air Marshal armed with Glock 17.]]

[[Image:HT Stewardess.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Stewardess pointing the Glock 17 at the disarmed marshal.]]

[[Image:HT FBI.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An FBI agent in "Lockdown" with the Glock 17 aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT metro a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Special Agent Emma Barnes in "Baptiste" aims her Glock 17 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A security guard in "Santuary" takes aim at Sam Fisher's gang.]]

[[Image:HT Seattle pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pistol on the left is the Glock 17, at the hands of a Settle PD officer.]]

[[Image:HT cornered.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis held at gunpoint by a rogue Protection Command bodyguard with a Glock 17, although the shot makes it hard to tell if it's the actual pistol.]]

[[Image:HT assassin.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin in a dream sequence with a silenced Glock 17 after assassinating Gerard.]]

[[Image:HT BankSecurity(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Bank Security Guards use the Glock in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:HT Glocks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Security personnel armed with Glock 17s.]]

[[Image:HT detective.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD detective searching Ilsa's office.]]

[[Image:HT takedown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance takes down a corrupt Major Crimes Unit detective.]]

[[Image:ThugGlock17.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug with the Glock in "The Other Side of the Mall.]]

===Glock 19===
Gerard uses the Glock 19 as his main sidearm in "Victoria", gunning down two rogue Protection Command bodyguards before he was shot himself.

[[Image:Glock19pistol.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (3rd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:HT Gerard kitchen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard shooting a rogue Protection Command bodyguard in the hotel's kitchen.]]
[[Image:HT Gerard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard holding the Glock 19.]]

===SIG-Sauer P225===
In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez uses a [[SIG-Sauer P225]] initially, then later it switches to a full size P226. Its compact size can be seen when Ames takes it and tries to leave the bar.

[[Image:SIG-Sauer-P225.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P225 - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:Human Target Eladio Lopez.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames disarming Eladio of his P225.]]
[[Image:Human Target Ames pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ames aiming the P225 at the Lopez brothers.]]

===SIG-Sauer P226===

Used by Laverne Winston ([[Chi McBride]]) as his main sidearm in 'Sanctuary' and 'Baptiste'. He also uses one in Season 2's "The Wife's Tale". One can be seen in the flashback to Chance's assassin days in his toolbox in "The Wife's Tale" (2.2). In "Dead Head", Chance takes Winston's P226 after being attacked by Mongrel bikers. In "A Problem Like Maria", Eladio Lopez initially carries a P225, but it switches to a full size P226 later when he pulls it in the helicopter.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[SIG-Sauer P226]] - 9x19mm]]

[[Image:P226 Sanctuary.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs in "Sanctuary".]]
[[Image:HT pistol aiming.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston aiming the P226 at one of Sam Fisher's thugs.]]
[[Image:Human Target pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|P226 found next to the silenced P99, which was used to assassinate his target.]]
[[Image:HT pistol cock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance gripping the P226's slide.]]
[[Image:ChanceWinstonP226.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance racking the slide of Winston's P226 before taking on the Mongrels.]]
[[Image:Human Target hostage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio aiming the P226 at Maria.]]

===Walther PPK===
Gerard had a Walther PPK in an ankle holster in the episode "Victoria". He then gave it to Chance, who used it for the rest of the episode. Raven uses a nickel PPK in "Embassy Row" and assassin uses a smuggled one in "Rewind".

[[Image:WaltherPPK.jpg|thumb|none|350px|[[Walther PPK]] with brown grips.]]

[[Image:HT PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gerard making a grab for the PPK on his left ankle holster.]]

[[Image:HT PPK grab.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance taking the PPK from Gerard after the pistol was hurled to him.]]

[[Image:HT confiscated PPK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Francis confiscates Gerard's PPK.]]

[[Image:HT compact pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Raven handling the pistol in "Embassy Row" after assassinating Victor Shukoff on embassy grounds. For this episode, this shot assumes it's a nickel PPK.]]

[[Image:HT Rewind.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Assassin with the silenced pistol, being attacked first by Chance.]]

===Desert Eagle===
Joubert ([[Armand Assante]]) uses a dressed up [[Desert Eagle]] in the episode "Christopher Chance". One with a nickel finish is seen holstered in the jean pants of Esteban in the Triple Frontier in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:Desert-Eagle.jpeg|thumb|none|400px|Desert Eagle - .50 AE.]]

[[Image:HT Confrontation.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Joubert with his semi-dressed up Desert Eagle in a silver finish.]]

[[Image:HT DE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Esteban negotiating with Ilsa in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:Esteban_Deagle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another scene. Not a good place to stick your Desert Eagle. Imagine if that goes off!]]

===M1911 ===
In "Victoria", a dream sequence showed assassins planting a used M1911 at the hands of Tony Sorrento after shooting him with the pistol, previously silenced, to frame him for being a murderer. The former Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) uses this to save Chance by wounding Baptiste in "Christopher Chance" before he was killed with a hurled combat knife in the chest. Chance uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 .45 ACP]]

[[Image:HT evidence.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An assassin plants the M1911 in a dream sequence where it is suggested he would be framed as a killer.]]

[[Image:HT M1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Christopher Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) aiming the M1911 at Baptiste.]]

[[Image:HT M1911 harbor.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ([[Lee Majors]]) knifed in the chest, still holding his M1911.]]

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the M1911 at Baptiste in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:Chance1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

====Custom M1911====
Used by Chicago in "Taking Ames" to pistol whip Marcus. Winston picks it up at one point.

[[Image:Human Target Custom 1911 pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Marcus before he was pistol whipped with a custom 1911.]]

[[Image:WinstonChicago1911.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston with the 1911.]]

===[[Makarov PM]]===
Standard sidearm of Russian Embassy security forces in "Embassy Row". Raven aka Peter Blanchard disarms one of the guards and uses it to gun down Alexei Volkov and some of the guards with him at the embassy's security room before Emma kicks him to disarm him of the weapon.

[[Image:HT Makarov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Makarov PM on the floor after Emma disarms Raven by kicking him.]]

[[Image:HT Makarov a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Note the specific style of slide mounted safety and the magazine release. In this shot, the Makarov has changed to a Walther PPK.]]

===FN Five-SeveN===
A thug under Hugh Prentiss in "Corner Man" takes aim at Chance with the [[FN Five-seveN]] USG. Hugh tries to take the pistol after thug is killed by Chance. Two assassins used a suppressed version before Winston takes one of them in "The Other Side Of The Mall." They change to the newer USG version in a continuity error.

[[Image:FN-FiveSeven USG.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN USG (U.S. Government), 5.7x28mm. This is the most common version of the Five Seven in channels of commerce. It has a frame mounted safety and integral rails. No FN Five-seveN is issued with a threaded barrel, however, threaded barrels for sound suppressors are commercially available as an aftermarket item.]]

[[Image:FN-Five-seveN.jpg|thumb|none|350px|FN Five-SeveN (Original Model), 5.7x28mm. This model is no longer produced.]]

[[Image:Five-SeveN USG ground.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh attempting to grab the USG.]]

[[Image:HT USG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hugh's thug with the USG aimed at the back of Chance.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the suppressed USG pistol on his right hand.]]

[[Image:HT USG pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Aiming the suppressed USG at a civilian.]]

[[Image:5-7_old_model HT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A thug loads his Five-seveN in "The Other Side of the Mall". The rounded trigger tells that it is the old model.]]

===Beretta 21 or 950===

Chance takes either a [[Beretta 21 Bobcat]] or a [[Beretta 950 Jetfire]] from an assassin disguised as a stewardess in "Rewind".

[[Image:HT plane.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance showing off the pistol he took from the stewardess.]]

===Beretta Cougar===

The [[Beretta Cougar]] is Guerrero's ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) main sidearm. He has one brandished at the pilot of a cargo airplane in "Salvage and Reclamation". He also uses one in "Sanctuary" and "Christopher Chance". Guerrero can be seen carrying one in Season 2's "Ilsa Pucci" when he checks the elevator and threatens to shoot Ames' kneecaps. He also carries it in "Dead Head" and in "Imbroglio" to test out a kevlar vest Chance "got in the mail".

[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at the cargo pilot.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero sidearm.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the pistol at Joubert from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out the informant from behind.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the pistol used by Guerrero to finish off the downed informant.]]
[[Image:HT Guerrero Beretta 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero responding to Chance after he searched the elevator in Episode 2.1 "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:Guerrero Beretta 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero threatening to shoot Ames' kneecaps if she doesn't tell him who hired her in "Ilsa Pucci".]]
[[Image:HT Beretta Cougar.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cougar being prepared by Guerrero after he sees two SFPD detectives arriving outside the bank.]]
[[Image:Human Target test.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero meeting Ilsa while aiming the Cougar at Chance's kevlar-covered chest.]]

===Beretta Px4 Storm===

Winston uses it in "The Other Side of the Mall" as his sidearm, outfitted with a laser module.

[[Image:Px4 Storm.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta Px4 Storm 9x19mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston holding the Px4 Storm on his left hand after chasing out the assassins.]]

[[Image:HT pistol wield a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the Storm.]]

===Smith and Wesson 5904===

In "Dead Head", Winston removes a [[Smith & Wesson 5904]] from Lieutenant Broward, which changed from a [[Beretta 92FS]].

[[Image:S&W5904LateModel.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Late Model Smith & Wesson 5904 - 9x19mm.]]

[[Image:WinstonBroward 5904.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston taking Broward's 5904]]

===CZ 75 "Pre B"===

Seen used by at first Baptiste to shoot a thug in a bar, then held by Chance in a standoff after they fight. Has wood grips.

[[Image:HT CZ pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the CZ 75 "Pre B" at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT CZ closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CZ 75 in Baptiste's hands. Note good trigger discipline, but awful grip.]]

[[Image:Wood_CZ75.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The CZ-75 "Pre B"'s wood grips.]]

===Jericho 941===

Baptiste uses this while escaping Cervantes's mansion.

[[Image:HT showdown.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste aiming the Jericho 941 at Chance in Paraguay.]]

[[Image:HT hammer down.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste cocking the hammer of the Jericho 941. Shows good trigger discipline, but a very poor low grip.]]

===Smith & Wesson M&P===
Hector Lopez uses dual [[Smith & Wesson M&P]]s with nickel slides in 'A Problem Like Maria' and 'Communications Breakdown'. They are also momentarily used by Guererro and Ilsa.

[[Image:Twotone mp.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Twotone M&P - 9mm]]

[[Image:Human Target dual pistols.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero with the dual M&Ps after disarming Hector.]]
[[Image:Human Target M&P.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa beaten up before she kills Hector with his own sidearm.]]

===Taurus PT92===
Used by Eli Rosko ([[Carlo Rota]]) in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:Human Target Eli Rosko.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eli aiming the pistol at Ilsa, taking her hostage.]]

[[Image:Human Target leveled pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|"Perhaps I wasn't clear before."]]

[[Image:Human Target pistol closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the PT92.]]

===Tokarev TT-33===

Baptiste aims at Chance with a TT-33 in Ilsa's private plane in "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT pistol aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Baptiste angrily aiming the TT-33 at Chance. Finger off trigger and hammer down, wich would in reality not be very threatening. ]]

===Vektor CP1===

Used by Ilsa's corrupt attorney Shelly in "Ilsa Pucci" as his personal sidearm when he was in Geneva.

[[Image:HT CP1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shelly aiming the CP1 at Ilsa to make Chance drop his sidearm before he was wounded by Guerrero.]]

===Smith and Wesson Model 29===

==Smith & Wesson Model 29 ==

In the season one finale 'Christopher Chance', Chance uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] hidden revolver to take out some of the commando's and then levels it at Joubert.

[[Image:HT revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aims the revolver at Joubert before realizing he's out of ammo.]]
[[Image:Revolver pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance with the revolver.]]

===Unknown Pistols===
The air marshal draws out a compact pistol in "Rewind", making Winston tackle him to disarm him again. Chance uses a hidden revolver to take out some of the commandos in "Christopher Chance". Connor Dunham uses a silenced pistol in "Victoria"

[[Image:HT plane a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston tackles the air mashal after seeing him draw out a compact pistol.]]
[[Image:HT revolver.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aims the revolver at Joubert before realizing he's out of ammo.]]
[[Image:Revolver pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Publicity photo of Chance with the revolver.]]
[[Image:HT silenced pistol a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Connor with the silenced pistol aimed at Chance and Victoria.]]

==Submachine Guns==

===FN P90===
Used by the unknown commandos in "Christopher Chance". It was outfitted with a laser and flashlight. One was also used by Ilsa's kidnappers to shoot at Chance in Season 2's pilot- "Ilsa Pucci".

[[Image:FNP90Side.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A [[FN P90]] without laser or flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT P90 aim.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando aims at Carmine after he pulled the P90's bolt.]]

[[Image:HT P90 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the P90. On the left is the flashlight; the right is the laser designator.]]

[[Image:HT P90s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Unknown commandos infiltrate the second floor of Chance's/Winston's office while aiming their P90s.]]

[[Image:HT FN P90.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A P90 is fired at Chance outside the hotel.]]

[[Image:HT P90 view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gunman firing the P90. On the right of the weapon is the flashlight module.]]

===H&K MP5===
One of Sam Fisher's crewmembers is armed with a HK MP5A3, outfitted with a tactical flashlight on its foregrip and a scope during a robbery in "Sanctuary". In "Christopher Chance", a commando is armed with a MP5 outfitted with a scope and a tactical foregrip attached to a railed barrel. Another commando has a MP5 outfitted with a UMP stock. MP5A3s is handled by Lopez henchmen in "A Problem like Maria" when the Lopez brothers meet with Chance to exchange Ames and Guerrero for their hostage. Mercenaries use this in "Imbroglio", especially when they use Guerrero and a few hostages to be disguised as armed gunmen with MP5s taped to their bodies, similar to a scene from ''[[The Dark Knight]]'', (Not to mention Batman and Human Target are both based on DC Comics).

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at left with the MP5A3.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commando with a tricked up MP5.]]

[[Image:HT MP5 tricked up view.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the said MP5. Has a foregrip, scope and a tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K-PDW.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A commando armed with the MP5, its UMP stock folded.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 stock.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Lopez henchman with the MP5A3. You can see the extended stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5A3 foregrip.jpg|thumb|none|500px|In the next shot, you can see the Surefire foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Imbroglio.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with the MP5 and a UMP stock. Possibly the same prop used in "Christopher Chance".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance giving Guerrero a MP5 with a railed foregrip and an attached scope. You can see the Navy trigger group and the ring at the end to place a sling, replacing the stock.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A restrained Guerrero uses the MP5's tac flashlight switch to send a message with his loose finger.]]

===H&K MP5K===
The MP5K is seen in the hands of Victoria' rogue Protection Command bodyguards in "Victoria". The Lopez brothers are armed with it in "A Problem like Maria". Hector Lopez uses one hunting Chance and Ilsa in Season 2's "Communication Breakdown". A mercenary uses it in "Imbroglio".

[[Image:MP5KA4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5KA4.]]

[[Image:HT MP5K.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A rogue Protection Command bodyguard is seen holding the MP5K on the left in "Victoria".]]

[[Image:HT fight.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance fights off the rogue Protection bodyguard to disarm him of his MP5K.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5Ks.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Eladio and Hector Lopez shoot the getaway car in "A Problem Like Maria".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector slaps on the bolt after reloading it somewhere in South America.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the MP5K used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio".]]

[[Image:Human Target MP5K sling.jpg|thumb|none|500px|This MP5K has a tac flashlight and a foregrip.]]

[[Image:Hector_MP5k.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the MP5k.]]

===H&K MP7===

The company men shooting at Chance and Jessica in "Tanarak" use [[Heckler & Koch MP7]]s. Russian security forces at the Russian embassy in "Embassy Row" use MP7s to attack both Chance and Emma when they escape from embassy grounds. In "Sanctuary", a Sam Fisher crewman starts the robbery by aiming the MP7 at the guards, as well as firing it against them. A Cervantes gunman in "The Return of Baptist" holds one on Chance and Baptiste. Mercenaries in "Imbroglio" use them. Chance takes one from one of them when he feigned illness. Ilsa uses one too after Chance knocks out another.

[[Image:H&K MP71A1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[Heckler & Koch MP7A1]] ]]

[[Image:HT MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary aims his MP7 at Chance. This does not have its standard picatinny railing on the receiver.]]

[[Image:HT MP7s.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Mercenaries armed with MP7s. One of the MP7s has the curved 40-round magazine.]]

[[Image:HT MP7 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of MP7 used by Russian Spetsnaz operator under cover of embassy guard. A scope is mounted on its picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:HT robbery crew.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Sam Fisher crewman surprises guards with the MP7.]]

[[Image:HT attack.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The same crewman fires the MP7 at the guard after they started shooting at them.]]

[[Image:Cervantes MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Cervantes gunman with the H&K MP7.]]

[[Image:Human Target Chance MP7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the MP7. This has a scope and a tactical flashlight on the right side.]]

[[Image:Human Target MP7 Ilsa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ilsa after picking up the discarded MP7 to shoot the padlock.]]

===Unknown MP5===
In "Victoria", one of the assassin has a MP5-type submachine gun with its integral suppressor and a scope.

[[Image:HT silenced SMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the assassins restraining Tony Sorrento has the silenced MP5.]]

===Heckler & Koch UMP===
A Lopez henchman is seen with the UMP after ambushing Ames and Guerrero in "A Problem like Maria". Another is seen in the same episode, but with no stock and instead, a sling takes it place.

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lopez henchman on the left with the UMP. It has a scope and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target UMP.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Lopez henchman on the right is armed with the UMP, but has a sling in place with a scope.]]

===IMI Uzi===
A Cervantes gunman uses this when he and his comrades brought Ilsa to the Triple Frontier.

[[Image:HT Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cervantes gunman with the Uzi. This version has the metal folding stock.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right is the Uzi. You can see its barrel and cocking handle.]]

====IMI Mini-Uzi====
Used by a mercenary in "Imbroglio", holding everyone in the auditorium hostage.

[[Image:Human Target MP5K closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the right side, you can see the barrel of the Mini-Uzi.]]

[[Image:Human Target Mini-Uzi.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the Mini-Uzi.]]

===Unknown SMG===

[[Image:HT guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The gunmen on the left and right are using MAC 11-like submachine guns.]]

==Shotguns==

===Remington 870 Shotgun===
Used briefly by Winston to shoot a commando in 'Christopher Chance'.

[[Image:Remington870BlackSynthetic.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 870 Shotgun with black stock]]

[[Image:HT shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston firing the shotgun at a surprised commando.]]

===Remington 870 Folded Stock===
A Sam Fisher crewman is armed with the Remington 870 with a folded stock in "Sanctuary" when a robbery takes place. Winston uses it as his main weapon from "Dead Head" onward.

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Crewman at right with the folded Remington 870 (partially unseen, but the stock can be seen.)]]

[[Image:HT robbery a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the crewman's Remington 870.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun fire.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The 870 is fired at the guards after shooting starts.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston takes the shotgun from the Cadillac Escalade in "Dead Head".]]

[[Image:HT shotgun acquisition a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Firing the shotgun at Mongrel bikers.]]

[[Image:Human Target shotgun close up.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston after taking out assassins in "Communication Breakdown".]]

===Sawed off Remington 870 Field Gun===
Maria uses the sawed off Remington 870 in "Salvage and Reclamation". A sawed off 870 shotgun was used by Guerrero when he was posing as a security guard at the beginning of "Ilsa Pucci". Chance uses this to save John Doe from Broward's custody by shooting the unmarked Crown Victoria cruiser's tires and radio.

[[Image:HT sawed off 870.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with her hands on the sawed off Remington 870.]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun (2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero approaching Winston's captors in the bank in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

[[Image:Guerrero Shotgun 2(2.1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance uses a sawed off 870 aimed at Broward's unmarked cruiser.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance aiming the sawed off 870 at the unmarked cruiser's radio.]]

===Remington 870 Slug Gun===
A Remington 870 Slug Gun in black furniture is used brifly by a mercenary in "Tanarak" before Chance disarms him of it and commandeers the weapon.

[[Image:HT shotgun trunk.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Slug Gun in the trunk of the Suburban.]]

[[Image:HT 870 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The mercenary knocked off. Note the sights on the shotgun, which indicates it is a Slug Gun from the regular 870.]]

===Serbu Super-Shorty===
In 'Christopher Chance', in the flashback, Chance finds a [[Serbu Super Shorty]] in the bottom of a drawer.

[[Image:Shotgun US Serbu Super-Shorty, a modified Mossberg Maverick.jpg‎|thumb|none|350px|Serbu Super Shorty Shotgun - 12-Gauge with foregrip extended.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance examines the Super-Shorty found from the bottom of a drawer.]]

[[Image:HT compact shotgun a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another angle of the shotgun.]]

===Ithaca 37===
A sawed off Ithaca 37 is used by a Mongrel biker hired to take out Chance and Winston in "Dead Head".

[[Image:Ithaca m37sawedoff.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Ithaca 37 12 gauge with sawed-off stock and barrel - 12 Gauge.]]

[[Image:HT sawed off Ithaca 37.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Mongrel biker taking aim with a sawed off Ithaca 37.]]

===Franchi SPAS-12===
Used by SFPD officers barging in the Major Crimes Unit office after hearing noise from the outside in "Dead Head". (Which is pretty rare in real life.)

[[Image:HT barging in.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer armed with SPAS-12. This has a torchlight.]]

[[Image:HT shotgun porting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another SFPD officer with the SPAS-12. Also has a torchlight mounted.]]

===Franchi SPAS-15===
Briefly handled by Chance in "A Problem like Maria".

[[Image:Human Target SPAS 15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance with the SPAS-15. Can be barely seen due to the mirror's reflection.]]

==Assault Rifles==

===AKM===
Used by a Cervantes gunman chasing Chance, Baptiste and Susan in Paraguay via pickup truck.

[[Image:HT chase.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A satisfactory closeup of the AKM used by a Cervantes gunman in Paraguay.]]

===AKS-74U===
Russian Spetsnaz operators were on duty in the Russian Embassy as embassy security guards with the AKS-74U in "Embassy Row." A Cervantes gunman uses this when he was "taking" Ilsa to negotiate for Susan Connors' release in South America.

[[Image:HT AKSU.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian embassy guard approaches Chance and Emma with an AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT Russian embassy guard.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian guards in tactical gear armed with AKS-74U.]]

[[Image:HT AKS-74U.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cervantes gunman in the Triple Frontier.]]

[[Image:HT shot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|On the left is the AKS-74U. You can see its trigger guard and plastic magazine.]]

===Beretta CX4 Storm===
Seen used by Sentronics "level 2" security officers, their chief of security Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and briefly by Chance ([[Mark Valley]]) in "Lockdown", attached with flashlights on the forgrip picatinny railing and scopes on top of the receiver. The Beretta Cx4 Storm carbines used in this episode are the same Cx4s that were used in the re-imagined series of ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' (note the muzzle).

[[Image:Beretta_CX4_storm.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta CX4 Storm - 9x19mm, .40 S&W & .45 ACP]]

[[Image:Human-Target-CX4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Head of Sentronics security, Leonard Kreese ([[Mitch Pileggi]]), and Christopher Chance ([[Mark Valley]]), fight in an elevator for control of a [[Beretta CX4 Storm]] in season 1, episode 6.]]

[[Image:HT CX4 barrel.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the CX4's barrel with the tactical flashlight.]]

[[Image:HT Sentronics guards.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sentronics guards armed with CX4s.]]

===Colt M16A4===
A Colt M16A4 is seemingly used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". Also used by Paraguayan army in "The Return of Baptiste."

[[Image:HT soldiers.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldiers sweeping a bar alongside Bertram.]]

[[Image:HT Army.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Paraguayan army soldiers manning a roadblock near a local airport.]]

===Colt M4===
Used by South American soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation". These have tactical foregrips.

[[Image:HT guard rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|South American soldier with the M4.]]

===Colt M4A1===
Used by FBI Hostage Rescue Team assaulters in "Baptiste" after arresting him. In "Pilot", Seattle SWAT teams are armed with the M4A1, outfitted with a tactical foregrip. Guerrero uses one in "Communication Breakdown" to protect an investigator from assassins.

[[Image:HT rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBI HRT assaulter with M4A1 at the left. His rifle has a scope (unseen) and a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:HT SWAT.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operators guiding hostages out of the premises.]]

[[Image:Human Target Guerrero.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero wielding the M4A1 after gunning down an assassin.]]

===Norinco Type 56===
In "Salvage and Reclamation", Doug Slocum is armed with it after Chance and Maria ([[Leonor Varela]]) bust out of the besieged bar from initially using the Type 84S. This has a bayonet lug, but without the bayonet. Chance is also seen holding one until he gives it to Maria at the end of the episode.

All of the Type 56 rifles seen in this episode (and other episodes) are actually airsoft replicas made by Real Sword. They are replaced with the Type 84s in firing scenes for this reason.

[[Image:HT Type 56.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 56. This has no bayonet present in the lug.]]

[[Image:HT Maria Type 56 rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Maria with the Type 56 after helping Chance and Doug escape.]]

===Norinco Type 84S===
A Norinco Type 84S is used by Doug to distract the soldiers in "Salvage and Reclamation." This magically changes to the Type 56 later when Chance and Maria escape the bar.

[[Image:HT Type 84S.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Doug with the Type 84S, firing away with a sadistic smile. Pacifist? Not anymore.]]

===SIG SG 552===
San Francisco Police officers in "Run" are armed with the SIG SG 552, used to gun down a rigged ambulance trying to breach the blocked road. This rifle is, however, not being used by the actual SFPD. In "A Problem like Maria", Winston uses it when he fights against the henchmen of the Lopez henchmen. Some of them are also armed with the rifle in ambushing Ames and Guerrero.

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SFPD officer with the SIG SG 552.]]

[[Image:HT SIG SG 552 closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the SG 552. This one has a picatinny railing.]]

[[Image:Human Target Lopez henchmen.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Two of the Lopez henchmen with 552s, outfitted with a tactical foregrip.]]

[[Image:Human Target Winston shooting.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The blur makes the image a bit bad, but this is a SG 552 outfitted with a foregrip and a scope.]]

[[Image:Human Target pose.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston poses with the 552 after the Lopez henchmen were defeated.]]

===Unknown AK-type rifles===
Another Sam Fisher crewman is armed with a AK-based rifle in "Sanctuary". Also seen with Pablo and with several mercenaries in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT robbery.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Also at the left of the picture, a crewman is armed with a AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An unknown AK rifle is handled by Pablo, aimed at Chance.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary with an AK rifle.]]

[[Image:HT mercenary AK a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|An uninjured mercenary chases after Doug and Maria.]]

==Bolt-Action Rifles==

===Karabiner 98k===
A Karabiner 98k is seemingly used in "Salvage and Reclamation", used by one of Pablo's men.

[[Image:HT bolt action rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The guy can be seen with the 98k, but the camera distance makes it hard to confirm.]]

[[Image:HT prisoners.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another shot of the supposed 98k.]]

==Sniper Rifles==

===Barrett M107===
Seen disassembled in the black room in "Lockdown", disassembled by Chance
.
[[Image:Berrett M107.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Barrett M107 long range sniper rifle - .50 BMG.]]

[[Image:Barrett rifle parts.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance disassembling the M107.]]

===Unknown M14/M1A===

Guerrero uses this to cover Chance while he and Ilsa escape the bank in Switzerland from the episode "Ilsa Pucci." Receiver is not clearly seen to tell which model it is. He uses it again to cover Bob in "Kill Bob". The exact same prop is seen in Gun World in "Cool Hand Guerrero".

[[Image:HT rifle check.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero conducting a weapons check on the M14 with a mounted riflescope.]]

[[Image:Guerrero M14.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero taking out Shelly and his men in "Ilsa Pucci".]]

===Remington 700===
Guerrero finds a [[Remington 700]] in the cab of a pickup when he and Winston are being held down by sniper fire in the episode "Victoria".

[[Image:Remington 700 BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 .308 Winchester]]

[[Image:HT M700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero aiming the Remington 700 at the sniper outside.]]

[[Image:HT rifle garage.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero examining the Remington 700, taken from a pickup.]]

===Remington 700PSS/700P===
A sniper uses a [[Remington 700PSS]] to hold Winston and Guerrero in a garage in the episode "Victoria". It is shown to be firing semi-automatically though. A Seattle SWAT sniper is seemingly using the rifle too in "Pilot". It was not fired. The Remington 700PSS/P is used again by Guerrero ([[Jackie Earle Haley]]) to cover Chance and Ilsa Pucci during the banquet in the episode "Ilsa Pucci."

[[Image:RemingtonPSS700.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700PSS with Harris bipod, in .300 Win Mag]]

[[Image:Picture_3000.jpg|thumb|500px|none|Guerrero arming himself with the 700PSS]]

====Remington 700 AICS====
Guerrero uses a Remington 700 AICS sniper rifle chassis to position his audio surveillance equipment in "Taking Ames".

[[Image:Human Target AICS.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Guerrero using the audio surveillance equipment on a Remington 700 AICS.]]

===SIG Sauer SSG 3000===
A FBI Hostage Rescue Team sniper is armed with the SIG Sauer SSG 3000 in "Baptiste".

[[Image:SSG3000.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG Sauer SSG 3000.]]
[[Image:HT sniper.jpg|thumb|none|500px|FBT HRT sniper reports back to controller in "Baptiste", providing overwatch before he was executed by Baptiste by snapping his neck.]]

===Remington 7400===
Hollis, an ex-firm employee uses this as his main weapon alongside a vest rigged with plastique explosives in "Pilot". Chance disarms the employee and kills him with a single shot at his vest.
[[Image:7400wd-1-.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Remington 7400 - .308]]

[[Image:7600 Pilot.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A publicity photo of Hollis, armed with the Remington 7400, arguing with Chance as he tries to get close in order to disarm the rifle from the employee.]]

[[Image:HT closeup.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Closeup of the 7400's sights.]]

[[Image:HT Chance shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance ending Hollis' planned attempt to murder his boss, Lydecker, by firing the 7400 at his suicide vest.]]

==Machine Guns==

===DShk machine gun===
Used by Cervantes gunmen before they were disabled after Chance and Baptiste kill the gunners.

[[Image:HT machine gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DShk being manned by Cervantes gunman before Baptiste shoots him.]]

==Grenade launchers==

===DefTech 37mm launcher===

A Seattle SWAT operator prepares the DefTech 37mm launcher after loading it up in "Pilot" over a hostage situation.

[[Image:Federallabs37.jpg|thumb|none|400px|DefTech 37mm launcher]]

[[Image:HT launcher load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Loading the DefTech 37mm launcher with presumably non-lethal grenade shells.]]

[[Image:HT launcher.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Seattle SWAT operator armed with DefTech 37mm launcher.]]

===RPG-7===
A RPG-7 is seen slung on the back of an armed mercenary in "Salvage and Reclamation".

[[Image:HT RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|500px|RPG-7 slinged on the back of an armed mercenary.]]

[[Image:HT RPG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A mercenary working under Jesus Montaya with a RPG warhead on his backpack.]]

==Rocket Launchers==

==FIM-92A Stinger==
Hector Lopez uses a Stinger in "A Problem in Maria" and in "Communication Breakdown" to shoot down Ilsa's private plane as retribution for Eladio's death.

[[Image:Human Target Stinger reticle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Hector aiming the Stinger. You can see the functioning reticle.]]
[[Image:Human Target Stinger rear.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rear part of Hector's Stinger, still aimed at Ilsa's private plane.]]

===Unknown Rocket Launcher===
Winston uses an unknown rocket launcher in "A Problem Like Maria" to destroy a truck, giving Chance and the others enough distraction to fight off the Lopez brothers. It has a digital touchscreen to make the weapon work.

[[Image:Human Target bazooka.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The rocket launcher with Hebrew writing.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka load.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston loads the warhead from the front.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka front.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The front portion of the rocket launcher.]]
[[Image:Human Target bazooka actual.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Winston handling the Hebrew-based touchscreen.]]

==Homemade Weapons==

===Molotov Cocktail===
Chance threw his homemade Molotov Cocktail at an enemy SUV right at end of the pilot episode. Also done in "Dead Head".

[[Image:HT Molotov.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Chance preparing a Molotov cocktail in "Dead Head".]]

===Improvised Gas Bomb===
Winston and Guerrero worked together to create a DYI flashbomb by using the gas meant to kill them tied inside an empty water dispenser bottle and detonated with an Iphone.

[[Image:Human Target DYI bomb.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The bomb rolled by Guerrero towards the assassins.]]
[[Image:Human Target call.jpg|thumb|none|500px|It's the call of your life, brother. And you're doomed.]]

==Others==
A huge assortment of firearms are aimed at Chance in Season 1's "Salvage and Reclamation" as well as Season 2's "The Return of Baptiste".

[[Image:HT assorted firearms.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Several firearms aimed at Chance. Poor guy. The assault rifle in that image looks like a Norinco Type 56. The pistols are probably an M1911A1 or Browning Hi-Power and the revolvers looks to be a Smith & Wesson Model 29.]]

[[Image:HT Cervantes Men.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Multiple firearms aimed at Chance and Baptiste. There is an [[M1 Garand]], an [[IMI Uzi]], an unknown AK variant, an AKS-74U, and an unknown pistol.]]

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The Punisher (2004)

2011-02-04T00:13:44Z

Captain Snikt: /* Colt M1911A1 (customized) */

'''Check the discussion section for list of Cutlery and Vehicles used in the film.'''

'''The following guns were used in the film ''[[The Punisher (2004)]]'':'''

[[Image:PunisherDVDextendedcut.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Punisher (2004): Extended Cut (2005)'']]

=Pistols=
==Colt M1911A1 (customized)==
Frank Castle ([[Thomas Jane]]) uses a pair of heavily customized [[M1911A1]]s as his main sidearms in the film. His father Frank Castle Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]]) devoted some dialogue to the guns, commenting on how he bored the chambers, customized the triggers, and added some thread-on compensators. Some other notable feattures are their Novak night sights, the ''Smith and Alexander'' extended magazine wells, combat hammers and combat triggers, ''Kings Gun Works'' extended slide stops and extended slide releases, as well as ''Ed Brown'' Memory Grove beavertail grip safeties and front cocking serrations. The leg holster is not a Safariland 6004 but a custom Blade-Tech Tactical Thigh Holster.

An E-mail from the current owner of the guns explains:
'''"The pistols are 1911's and the slide is marked COLT'S GOVERNMENT MODEL. The sight attached to the slide is marked NOVAK'S upside down. The slide is the same shape as a normal 1911's but on the sides towards the left and right there is a grid design."'''

[[Image:ColtM1911A1PunisherProps.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The two blank firing prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:Colts_1-1-.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|The two rubber prop Colt M1911A1s used in the film for stunt work.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. keeps his two custom M1911A1 pistols in a glass display case.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes the two Colt M1911A1s out of his father's display case after his family is massacred by the Saints.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his Colt M1911A1s when he faces off with Dante and Spoon in the Saint building.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his right M1911A1 at Spoon.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his left M1911A1 at Dante.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An over-the-shoulder view of Castle taking out the two men with his .45s.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After facing the two men, one of Castle's .45s jams. Maybe he should have used different ammo so it wouldn't misfeed on him.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle keeps his hand close to his back-holstered .45 when Harry Heck enters the diner.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle dishes Sardines from a can with his .45 close by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his right .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-11.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads his left .45 when preparing to face Saint in the club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-12.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45 in the club. Thomas Jane's weapons training is clearly evident.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-13.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does a mid-mag change with his .45...]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-14.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...and pointlessly racks the slide despite having a round in the chamber, which he loses for doing this.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his .45 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-16.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his .45.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle does another mid-mag reload and pointlessly racks a live round from the chamber. ]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-18.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pops a round into a half-dead thug as he walks by.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle quick-draws his .45 and takes out Howard Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-20.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle decides not to commit suicide after imagining his wife witnessing him die.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox (flashpaper)==
Howard Saint ([[John Travolta]]) is seen using a [["Non Guns"|Beretta 92FS Inox "Flashpaper"]] gun, which is designed to imitate the flash and smoke of a blank gun minus the loud sound and dangerous wad which fires from the barrel. Instead of swapping to a real Beretta, it appears to stay a flash-paper gun throughout the film, so I'm seperating it from the real Inoxes used.
[[Image:Ng pistol beretta92 SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Howard Saint uses his flashpaper Beretta 92FS Inox to execute the man supposed to be watching his son when he was killed.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint executes the man with his flashpaper Beretta.]]
[[Image:Punisherflashpaper92-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Saint tries to draw his flashpaper Beretta when facing Castle near the end of the film, but isn't quick enough in comparison.]]

==Beretta 92FS Inox==
The stainless steel [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92FS Inox]] makes several appearances in the film in the hands of nameless thugs. The most notable user is Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]), one of Saint's hired thugs, who tries to draw it when facing Castle with Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) at his side in the Saint building.
[[Image:Beretta-Inox.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS Inox - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A money launderer in the Saint Building tries to reach for his Beretta 92FS Inox when Castle enters.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante prepares to draw his Beretta 92FS Inox when facing Castle in the Saint Building.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug in the dance club fires his Beretta Inox at Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherBerettaInox-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Beretta Inox at Castle, and manages to break his M4.]]

==LeMat 1861==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[LeMat Revolver|LeMat 1861]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:Lemat.jpg|thumb|none|400px|LeMat 1861 Revolver - .36 or .44 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A LeMat is seen to the top right.]]

==Colt Officers ACP==
When the FBI raids the weapons transfer, Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover) draws a tutone [[M1911|Colt Officers ACP]] which apears to be customized, before being "killed".
[[Image:Colt Officers ACP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Officers ACP - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherKimberCopII.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle as Kreig draws his Colt Officers ACP. Castle seems to have a fondness for 1911 guns (smart man).]]
[[Image:PunisherOfficersACP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Kreig" tries to fire his Officers ACP at the officers but is "gunned-down" first.]]

==Colt 1851 Navy==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt 1851 Navy]] percussion revolver.
[[Image:1851Navy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt 1851 Navy - .36 caliber.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt Navy is seen to the top left.]]

==Colt Single Action Army==
Frank Castle, Sr. ([[Roy Scheider]])'s gun case, in addition to the twin M1911s, contains a [[Colt Single Action Army]] 5 1/2" Artillery.
[[Image:ColtSingleActionArmy.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Single Army 5 1/2" Artillery - .45 Long Colt.]]
[[Image:PunisherCustom1911-SAA-LeMat-ColtNavy.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Colt SAA Artillery is pictured in the middle.]]

==Glock 17==
The [[Glock|Glock 17]] 2nd generation is seen multiple times in the film by nameless thugs but is most notabley seen used by Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]), who they delve deeper into character-wise in the extended cut.
[[Image:Glock17EarlyModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 17 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officer Jimmy Weeks fires a blank loaded Glock 17 at Castle, under cover as Otto Kreig, to fake his death.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the money launderers keeps a Glock 17 nearby.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with a Glock 17 in his FBI holster. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug who later gets a paper-cutter to the head holds a Glock 17 like he's never seen a gun in his life.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock17-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug walks by "Spacker" Dave ([[Ben Foster]]) when they search for Castle in his apartment.]]

==Glock 18==
One of the weapons seen in Castle's arsenal is a chrome slide [[Glock|Glock 18]] 3rd Generation. (while it is not confirmed as a Glock 18, the 33 round magazine and stock indicate it possibly is, or is supposed to be.) Sadly, he is never seen using it despite being seen preparing it before leaving to assault Saint's club.
[[Image:Glock18c 01-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 18C - 9mm. Basically the same gun with ported compensator cuts in the slide.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A chrome-slide Glock 18 is among Castle's arsenal.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Glock 18 is seen as the camera pans over Castle's arsenal. Note how it is fitted with a stock and a 33 round magazine.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches the stock to the Glock 18.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock18-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 33 round mag into the Glock 18.]]

==Glock 19==
One of the thugs in Saint's dance club is seen using a compact [[Glock|Glock 19]] 2nd generation, which based on the angle appears too short to be the same Glock 17 used in other scenes.

[[Image:Glock19_2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Glock 19 2nd Generation - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Glock 19 at Castle and over does the recoil too much.]]
[[Image:PunisherGlock19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug tries to reload his Glock but is sent flying by two 12 gauge rounds before he succeeds.]]

==Heckler & Koch USP45==
Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) is seen with a [[Heckler & Koch USP]] handgun in his holster when facing Castle in the Saint building. Based on the length of the grip, it looks the the .45 ACP model, the USP45.
[[Image:HK-USP.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch USP45 - .45 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherUSP45.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A USP45 is seen in Spoon's holster.]]

==Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0==
Seen fitted with a suppressor in Castle's arsenal is a [[Heckler & Koch Mk 23 Mod 0|Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod. 0]]. Reportedly, one of Saint's thugs that walks into Castle's apartment is armed with the same prop, although it is never seen closely.
[[Image:PunisherMk23SOCOMprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM Mod 0 rubber prop used in the film.]]
[[Image:PunisherSOCOMk23.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Heckler & Koch Mk. 23 SOCOM is seen to the left at the bottom of his customized M1911s.]]

==Heckler & Koch P2000SK==
One of the thugs in the club is seen armed with a [[Heckler & Koch P2000|Heckler & Koch P2000SK]] and tries to use it before he recieves a .45 between the eyes from Castle.
[[ Image:H&KP200SK Right.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P2000SK 9x19mm]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|This thug armed with a P2000SK gets a bullet in the head before he can fire his gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherP2000sk-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug falls back dead with the P2000SK still in hand.]]

==Ruger SP101==
One of the money launderers in the Saint Building tries to draw a [[Ruger SP101]] revolver when Castle walks in.
[[Image:RugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ruger SP101 - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherRugerSP101.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The launderer to the left tries to draw a Ruger SP101.]]

==SIG-Sauer P226==
John Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) uses a nickel-plated [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]] throughout the film. He most notabley uses it when he puts a bullet in Castle's chest, claiming "This time they're not blanks."
[[Image:SigP226Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|SIG-Sauer P226 Nickel - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint executes a woman with his SIG-Sauer P226...]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|...which stovepipes on the second shot.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerp226-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John's SIG-Sauer P226 is seen in his shoulder holster as he beats on Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John prepares to execute Castle.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle has a flashback of when he is shot in the chest. The bullet apparently just missed his heart.]]
[[Image:PunisherSIGsauerP226-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John becomes pinned under a book-shelf when Castle assaults the club and his P226 is just out of reach. Note double stack bulges.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 66==
When Castle is "safe-guarding" his apartment, he places a stainless steel [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] into a custom made drawer launcher, which kicks out the drawer when the counter is tapped. Castle tries to grab this gun when he is attacked by "The Russian" ([[Kevin Nash]]), but he grabs a weight and smashes the barrel flat.

The weapon crushed by Kevin Nash in the movie was a real S&W Model 66 that was actually destroyed just for the film.

[[Image:IMG 1561.JPG|thumb|none|400px|A Smith & Wesson Model 66 in .357 Magnum that was destroyed for ''The Punisher''. This is the actual gun that was smashed by The Russian in the movie, as you can tell by the barrel.]]
[[Image:IMG 1562.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Another view of the Smith & Wesson Model 66 that was used (and smashed) in ''The Punisher''. This image gives a better view of the crushed barrel.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tests the launcher drawer with his Smith & Wesson Model 66.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle tries to retrieve his Smith & Wesson Model 66 when fighting The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|While it is blurry, you can see the S&W Model 66 is cleary crushed before The Russian smashes it.]]
[[Image:PunisherS&W66-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks at the bent Model 66.]]

==Taurus Model 689==
Harry Heck ditches his Striker when Castle totals his GTO and gets out, armed with a [[Taurus Model 689]]. Castle pulls out a spring loaded stilleto (basically an amatuer ballistics knife) and fires it into his neck before he can use it. Castle than takes the gun and leaves in Heck's Satellite.

[[Image:Taurus_M689.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Taurus Model 689 with 4" Barell (one in film is 8") - .44 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck walks up to Castle with his Taurus Model 689 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherHHrevolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck points his Taurus Model 689 at Castle.]]

''[Edit: This pistol actually appears to be a Dan Wesson. Notice the placement of the front sight, the flat profile of the vent ribs on top, the shape of the barrel (particularly the shape of the underlug) and the shape of the grip.]''

==Smith & Wesson Model 627==
Castle is seen in the extended cut giving Jimmy Weeks ([[A. Russell Andrews]]) a Smith & Wesson Model 627. Weeks takes the gun and tries to kill Castle, but the gun is empty. Castle gives Weeks a single bullet and watches as he commits suicide for ratting him out to Saint and having his family killed because of it.
[[Image:Sw627.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 627 Performance Center .357 Magnum (right side)]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sits in Weeks' house with the 627 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle leaves the 627 on the chair for Weeks to pick up.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks tries to shoot Castle but the gun is empty.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle gives Weeks a bullet and watches. The bullet looks like a .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks loades the bullet into the 627.]]
[[Image:PunisherTaurussnub-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks prepares to commit suicide with the 627.]]

==Walther PPK==
Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) keeps a stainless steel [[Walther PPK]] as his weapon. He is killed before he ever gets a chance to use it.
[[Image:PPK_stainless.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther PPK - .380 ACP.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby Saint sits a the bar in the dance club with his Walther PPK next to him. (extended cut).]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby tries to de-escalate the situation and gets mowed down for it.]]
[[Image:PunisherWaltherPPK-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Bobby lays dead with his Walther PPK at his side.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Cobray M11/9==
One of the arms dealers is armed with a [[MAC-10|Cobray M11/9]] when the FBI raids the exchange. Bobby Saint points his gun at him by mistake and is shot by him in return.
[[Image:M11 2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M11/9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug fires his Cobray M11/9 at Bobby Saint.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM119-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The thug gets filled with bullets from the surrounding FBI agents after firing his Cobray M11/9.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5A5==
Some of the FBI agents that make the illegal weapons sale bust are armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5A5|Heckler & Koch MP5A5]] submachine guns. One of the thugs in the club is also seen with one.
[[Image:H&KMP5A5.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A5 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the left fires his MP5A5, which has a sight mounted way above his eyeline.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5A5-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Officers armed almost entirely with MP5A5s.]]
[[Image:the punisherMp5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A thug is seen with an MP5A5.]]

==Heckler & Koch MP5SD4==
One of the FBI agents is seen firing a [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD4]], which is a full-stock MP5A4 with an integral sound suppressor.
[[Image:H&KMP5A4.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5A4 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMP5SD4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer to the right fires his MP5SD4.]]

==Intratec TEC-9==
Some of the hitters who help massacre Castle's family are armed with [[TEC-9]]s, which clearly have sling swivels (although these shots don't show them), which a TEC-DC9 lacks. They were likely converted to full-auto by the armorer for the film.
[[Image:TEC-9.jpg|thumb|none|400px|TEC-9 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter approaches the family reunion party with his TEC-9 in hand.]]
[[Image:PunisherTEC9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter fires his TEC-9 at Castle and Castle Sr. while taking cover behind a grill.]]

==Steyr SPP==
Several thugs in the film are seen armed with [[Steyr TMP|Steyr SPP]] pistols, which appear to be converted to full-auto based on the one instance it is seen firing.
[[Image:SteyrSPPPistl.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Steyr SPP - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter finds a family cowering under a house and heartlessly executes them with his Steyr SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another shot of him firing the SPP.]]
[[Image:PunisherSteyrSPP-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A half-dead thug holds an SPP in the club.]]

==Micro Uzi==
Several of [[Uzi|Micro Uzis]] are seen used by Saint's men when they massacre Castle's family. Most notably seen using them are Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) and Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) when they both fire their Micros at Maria Castle's ([[Samantha Mathis]]) car, and manage to flip it with them.
[[Image:MicroUziPistol02.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Micro Uzi - 9mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante ([[Marc Macaulay]]) shoots a man trying to escape on a boat with his Micro Uzi.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante fires his Micro Uzi while Spoon ([[Terry Loughlin]]) prepares to.]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis at Maria Castle as she tries to drive away with Will Castle ([[Marcus Johns]]).]]
[[Image:PunisherMicroUzi-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Dante and Spoon fire their Micro Uzis.]]

=Shotguns=
==Armsel Protecta==
Harry Heck ([[Mark Collie]]) is seen using what looks like an [[Armsel Striker and variants|Armsel Protecta]] to fire shots at Castle's Pontiac GTO, but he luckily has metal shields that slide up over the windows to protect himself.
[[Image:Protecta.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Armsel Protecta - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Harry Heck fires his Armsel Protecta at Castle in his GTO.]]
[[Image:PunisherArmselstriker-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Heck fires the Protecta at Castle as he drives away.]]

==Ithaca 37 (pistol gripped)==
Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) uses an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun with nickel plating and a pistol grip throughout the film. It is not a Stakeout model, as it is too long. When using it to shoot Castle's vest in the dance club, he puts two 12 gauge rounds into his body armor from less than 10ft away. Though this might seem impossible, a level IIIA Vest can easily withstand shots as powerful as 00 Buckshot.
[[Image:Stakeout-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Ithaca 37 "Stakeout" - 12 gauge. (closest to model in film).]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln ([[Tom Nowicki]]) shoots Castle Sr. in the back with his nickel-plated, pistol gripped Ithaca 37 shotgun.]]
[[Image:PunisherIthaca37-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Lincoln fires his Ithaca 37 into Castle's vest.]]

== J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe (sawed-off) ==
When Saint's men massacre Castle's family, one of the assassins is armed with a sawed-off [[J.C. Higgins Model 20#J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe|J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe]] Field shotgun with a cut down Ribbed barrel and stock. Castle picks up the same Mossberg and tries to save his wife and son. Castle fires off four shots, which pattern like buckshot rounds, before running dry.

[[Image:SearTedwilliams21.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Full size J.C. Higgins Model 21 Deluxe - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A hitter looks for hidden family members with his sawed-off J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his J.C. Higgins Model 21 at the hitters in the Ford Pickup.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The action of the J.C. Higgins Model 21 appears to have engine grooves and the wooden forend has more fanciful engraving than a standard field gun. This was at one point a higher end shotgun before it was cut down.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle pumps the J.C. Higgins Model 21 , and clearly no fresh round chambers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss500-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''CLICK!'' Castle's J.C. Higgins Model 21 goes empty when he needs it the most.]]
Trivia: When Castle first begins firing, he racks the shotgun, ejecting a live round from the chamber, which would have greatly helped him out when he faces the men as they exit the truck.

==Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser"==
When Castle goes to the Saint Building to dump all his money into the street, he takes a [[Mossberg 500|Mossberg 590 "Compact Crusier"]], which is the perfect gun to stash in his trench coat. He uses the gun to force Saint's money launderers to dump the money from the top floor and "rain 100 dollar bills."
[[Image:MossbergCompactCruiser.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle points his Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" at the money launderers.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Get up.... wheel the money out."]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts down his Compact Cruiser and then turns his back to them to cut open the window... with the gun still there. Not very smart thinking.]]
[[Image:PunisherMoss590CC-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the men to throw the money out the window.]]

==Savage/Stevens 311A==
When the hitters begin to massacre Castle's family, Castle Sr. takes out two [[12 Gauge Double Barreled Shotgun|Savage/Stevens 311As]] for himself and Frank. The two both uses them to great effect and Castle scores two kills with his, one of which by means of blowing up a propane tank on a grill. They are smooth-bore shotguns because they are clearly seen loading birdshot shotgun rounds into them. Based on slight difference in the trigger guard and pistol grip/tang area, these appear to be Spanish Eibar copies.
[[Image:Savage-Stevens-311-Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 Gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle digs out some 12 gauge birdshot heavy game loads from a Remington box.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads 12 gauge rounds into his Savage/Stevens 311A. Note the fired primer, this is a dummy inert round.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle shoots the Mossberg wielding thug with his S/S311A, loading it just in time. It looks like he fired both barrels at once. Ouch.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like all typical shotguns in movies, Castle's gun is shown capable of sending this guy flying. They are birdshot none the less (although no type of shotgun round would send someone airborne anyway unless it was a high explosive round).]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Both Castle and Castle Sr. with the S/S311As at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. aims his S/S311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle and Castle Sr. fire their S/S311As.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-8dent.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes aim with his 311A. Someone seems to have dented the barrel more than half-way down the gun.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-9.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle Sr. with his 311A at the ready before being shot by Lincoln.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311A-10.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle wraps the 311As in a rug when he arms up after the massacre.]]

==Sawed-Off Savage/Stevens 311A==
Castle appears to saw down one of his 311As later in the film, and turns it into a sawed-off shotgun. Castle brings this gun with him when he raids Saint's club, holstered on his back, and manages to kill one of his thugs with it.
[[Image:SS311A sawed-off-2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Sawed-off Savage/Stevens 311A - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the chamber on his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle runs a bore mop through his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle looks down the barrels of his sawed-off 311A.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads up his sawed-off 311A when preparing to face Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherSS311Asawedoff-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his sawed-off 311A in the club, and of course, send the thug flying off his feet.]]

=Rifles=
==Heckler & Koch G36C==
When Bobby Saint ([[James Carpinello]]) tries to impress his father by buying guns, he meets with Otto Kreig (Frank Castle under-cover), who shows Bobby four suitcases loaded with [[Heckler & Koch G36|Heckler & Koch G36C]] assault rifles. I didn't bother adding all four suitcases because it looks like they just reused the same shot four times and flipped it twice.

[[Image:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kreig's thugs open up the briefcases loaded with H&K G36Cs.]]
[[Image:PunisherG36C-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|They then open the other cases. Note how the ejection port is not on the right side and the folding stock is in the wrong direction, the instant result of reversing the image.]]

==M4A1==
Frank Castle is seen using an [[M4A1]] carbine assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]] and an Aimpoint CompM2 red dot sight when assaulting Howard Saint's club ''Saints and Sinners''. He loses use of this weapon when a bad guy's bullet hits the receiver and ruins the gun.

[[Image:Sopmod m4 m203 06.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M4A1 with Aimpoint CompM2 scope and fitted with an M203 launcher - 5.56x45mm and 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle is seen in a military picture in his classified file with an M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle's M4A1 is seen in his inventory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle racks the charging handle on his M4A1 when loading up to face Saint in his dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the bottom floor of the club with his M4A1. It seems smarter for him to use his bow as to not break stealth before facing the mass on the second floor. He also appears to lack trigger discipline.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle with his M4A1 at the ready.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assaults the club with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his M4A1.]]
[[Image:PunisherM4A1-8.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies his M4A1 before it gets hit by a bullet.]]

===Special===
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Thomas Jane practices weapons techniques with his M4A1.]]
[[Image:Punisher-SF-M4A1-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Jane loads up his M4A1 for weapons training.]]

==M16A2 with an M203 Grenade Launcher==
On the original movie poster for the film, Castle is seen armed with an [[M16|M16A2]] assault rifle fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]].
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 (with A2 rear Sight, brass deflector, heavy barrel and longer buttstock) 5.56x45mm with [[M203 grenade launcher]] - 40mm]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle of the movie poster armed with an M16A2/M203.]]

=Other=
==Cobray M79LF==
Seen next to the M203 launcher in Castle's arsenal is what appear to be a [[Cobray 37mm Launcher|Cobray M79LF]] flare launcher with the stock folded up.
[[Image:CM79LFSide.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Cobray M79LF - 37mm Flare.]]
[[Image:PunisherCobrayM79LF.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Cobray M79LF to the right, under the M4.]]

==Compound Bow==
While not a firearm, Castle does some nice stealth kills with a compound bow. Anyone who knows what type is welcome to comment.
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A compound bow and arrows are seen in Castle's inventory when the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle assembles his compound bow when preparing to assault Saint's club.]]
[[Image:PunisherCompoundbow-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires the compound bow, shooting an arrow right through a guard's neck.Ouch. ]]

==M18A1 Claymore==
Castle has an [[M18A1 Claymore]] anti-personal mine among his arsenal, and uses one with a beeper detonator to blow up one of Saint's money transporting boats.
[[Image:M18a1 07.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M18A1 Claymore Anti-Personal Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle prepares an M18A1 Claymore Mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Claymore mine is seen in Castle's armory as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John Saint picks up one of Castle's Claymore Mines. Note how it has a beeper detonator with a "555" number.]]
[[Image:PunisherClaymore-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|John realizes what the Claymore is and dives off the boat, just barely escaping.]]

==M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade==
Among the weapons in his arsenal, Castle has a handful of [[M67 hand grenade]]s, one of which he keeps attached under the sink in his bathroom. He also keeps a switch near by which shuts the door so he can throw the grenade out and shut the door to protect himself from the blast. This technique proves inefective when he tries it on The Russian, who uses a pipe like a baseball bat and whacks the "baseball" right back into the bathroom. Castle just barely makes it into the bathtub to avoid the blast.
[[Image:M67.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M67 "Baseball" Hand Grenade.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle attaches an M67 "Baseball" Grenade to the sink in his bathroom.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Four M67 Baseballs are seen in Castle's arsenal as the camera pans over.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle readies the M67 grenade to throw at The Russian.]]
[[Image:PunisherM67baseball-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|To Castle's horror, the grenade comes right back into the bathroom, ready to blow.]]

==M203 grenade launcher==
Castle's [[M16|M4A1]] is seen fitted with an [[M203 grenade launcher]], which do to such close proximity battles is never used during the shootout in the club. The original movie poster also prominently feattures Castle holding an [[M16|M16A2]] fitted with an M203.
[[Image:M203.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M203 grenade launcher - 40mm.]]
[[Image:PunisherDVDcover.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Castle on the movie poster with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle loads a 40mm round into his M203. One wonders what good it will do him in such close quarters...]]
[[Image:PunisherM203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle closes the breach on his M203.]]

==Unknown AP Mines==
Castle brings some Anti-Personel (AP) mines with him to assault the dance club. One he plants on the main entrance, which is set off when someone tries to run out. The second mine he sends up the dumb-waiter hidden in a wine bucket. When the man goes to pull the wine out, the whole rooms blows up. The last mine he uses to leave John Saint at the mercy of his own willpower. He claims the AP mine weighs 8lbs, which isn't much, but then he outstretches his arm and ties the fuse to a hanging piece of insolation. He then says how holding that mine up with an outstretched arm would be a "hell of a work out."
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants an AP mine on the front entrance of the dance club.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A henchman pulls out the wine bottle from the bucket, unbeknownst to him it is rigged to an AP mine.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The henchman than activates the mine and blows the room to hell.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another henchman tries to run out the front door and sets off the AP mine, making yet another devistating explosion to the building.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle puts the AP Mine in the pinned down John Saint's outstretched arm.]]
[[Image:PunisherAPmines-6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close-up of the mine in John's hand.]]

==Unknown Remote Mines==
Castle brings an unfathomable number of Remote Detonation mines with him, which he plants on all the cars in the parking lot. When he sets them all off, a sky view reveals "The Punisher" skull drawn with flame.
[[Image:PunisherRemotemines-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle checks the remote mines in his arsenal inventory.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants mines under the cars. They appear to stick using magnetics.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle plants another mine under a car.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle sets off the mines in the parking lot with the remote detonator.]]
[[Image:Punisherremotemines-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|After blowing up the cars in the lot, the sky view reveals this.]]

=ANIMATED SEGMENT=
An extra on the extended cut is an animated segment built to illustrate the deleted scene of Frank Castle serving in the Gulf War, during a battle in Kuwait. The following guns are seen in this segment.

Behind the scenes note: The weapons used in the flashback animated sequence were a mix of airsoft, metal replica, and a few real guns. The soldiers shot on green screen were airsofters, not actors, and not real military.

==Pistols==
===Beretta M9===
A [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta M9]] is seen used by the U.S. officer to attempt to kill the captured enemy soldiers but he is stopped by Castle.
[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92FS - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer prepares to execute the enemies with his M9.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The officer about to pull the trigger.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M9-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle forces the officer to fire his M9 into the ground, which was strangley loaded with only one bullet.]]

===Beretta 92G Elite II===
Seen in the hands of a U.S. officer is a [[Beretta 92 pistol series|Beretta 92G Elite II]]. He is seen loading it up and then it disapears, being replaced by a simpler M9. The 92G Elite II was not issued during the Gulf War nor was it even made yet so that's somewhat of an anachronism.

This is a Airsoft gun its a Tokyo Mauri Tac Master --[[User:Sarkardarkstar|Sarkardarkstar]] 18:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

[[Image:Beretta 92G Elite II.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 92G Elite II - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer loads a magazine into his 92G Elite II. Note how the decocking safety is activated, yet the hammer is up. Also, the back sight has been removed.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-BerettaElite-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An officer chambers his 92G Elite II, finger on the trigger like no real soldier would do.]]

==Submachine Guns==
===Heckler & Koch MP5SD3===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen armed with [[Heckler & Koch MP5|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3]]s. Castle is briefly seen firing one, in a MASSIVE continuity error.
[[Image:MP5SD3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch MP5SD3 - 9mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an MP5SD3.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-MP5SD-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle fires his MP5SD3, which switched from another gun.]]

==Shotguns==
===Remington 870===
Some U.S. soldiers are seen with a folding stock [[Remington 870]] shotgun and Castle grabs one and charges an enemy position with it.
[[Image:Remington870LONGFolder.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 with extended mag tube and folding stock - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier armed with a folding stock Remington 870.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle takes cover with his 870 in hand.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Rem870-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Castle holds a freshly fired 870.]]

==Rifles==
===AK-47===
During the deleted animated segment taking place in Kuwait, an enemy soldier can be seen firing a gun that vaguely resembles an [[AK-47]].
[[Image:Ak 54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|AK-47 - 7.62x39mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-AK-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires an AK-47 in the animated segment.]]

===Colt Model 715===
One of the enemy soldiers is seen firing an M16 with an A1 sight but with an A2 reciever, making it a [[M16|Colt Model 715]].
[[Image:Colt715 C7Rifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Colt Model 715 (known as the C7 for Canadian Armed Forces) - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt725-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires his Colt 715 at the U.S. soldiers.]]

===Colt Model 723===
Some of the U.S. soldiers are seen firing [[M16|Colt Model 723]] carbines. Some of the enemies are seen using them as well.
[[Image:Colt-M-16-A-2-m723.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Model 723 - 5.56x45mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier in the back fires a suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A soldier fires his suppressed Colt 723.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-Colt723-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fire a Colt 723. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===M14===
A U.S. soldier is seen firing an [[M14 Rifle]] briefly.
[[Image:M14Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M14 - 7.62x51mm NATO.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M14-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier fires his M14.]]

===M16A2/M203===
Both Jimmy Weeks and an unknown soldier are seen using [[M16|M16A2]] rifles fitted with [[M203 grenade launcher]]s.
[[Image:M16A2 M203.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A2 with M203 - 5.56x45mm/40mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A U.S. soldier with an M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks with his M16A2/M203.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M16A2M203-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Weeks fires his M16A2/M203. This shot was reversed so I flipped it proper.]]

===Norinco Type 69 RPG===
An enemy soldier is seen firing an [[RPG-7|Norinco Type 69 RPG]] with an over-sized warhead. It can be most easily identified by its single grip and carry handle as opposed to the dual grips on an RPG-7.
[[Image:Type69RPG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Norinco Type 69 RPG - 70mm.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-RPG7.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An enemy soldier fires a Norinco Type 69 RPG. Note over-sized warhead.]]

==Other==
===M26 "Lemon" Hand Grenade===
A U.S. soldier is seen with a [[M26 hand grenade|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade]] on his belt, which the enemy prisoner pulls off his belt and commits suicide with, killing everyone but Castle and Weeks.
[[Image:200px-M-67handgrenade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M26 "Lemon" hand grenade.]]
[[Image:Punisher-A-M26hg.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The terrorist goes to grab the soldiers M26 grenade.]]

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Talk:Justified

2011-02-01T22:31:18Z

Captain Snikt: /* Glock 21 */

So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
:He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys this is a realy good show and i would like to give it a proper paig so if any one could help me prefablery before season 2 that be great . if interested drop me a line on the talk page on my user page . --[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
==Miami gun==
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas?
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Here is the pic converted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG [["Non Guns"]]:

:::[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer Non Gun]]

:::-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:::''Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.''

:::Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492

==The Promo Gun==
I'm not sure if this related to the topic above but, on the Promo shot for the show, show on the original page on this site, the Sig that he is aiming has quite a large bore aperture. Considering this penchant for larger caliber Automatics, I think it could possibly be a Sig p220 in .45 ACP. Thoughts anyone?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 17:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

which trailer?.[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

==End of first episode==
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619

He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia

But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.

He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Givens shot Boyd centermass, so it's understood from the dialogue of the other characters that Givens missed the heart on purpose out of some sense of loyalty to Boyd. And if you would pay close enough attention to the dialogue and not just the action, many of these simple questions are answered.

He Says , adn i quote "at glenco , didnt you teach those recruts to aim for the heart?" just the fact that Raylan pulled a onr handed pull,and was able to miss intentionaly is a sign of intence training.[[User:Simmons 8492|Simmons 8492]]

==Glock==
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? [[Spades of Columbia]]

The holster appears to be a Bianchi 59 Special Agent Holster.

In S1.Ep.10 Raylen tells the judge the he carries a .45 Glock. Wouldn't that make it a 21?
:Just because that's what he says in the show doesn't make it so. The muzzle is what most use to determine what type of Glock, if there isn't a good view of the slide. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but he's saying its a .45 Glock. Now, it could be a G21 or a G37 if it's chambered in .45 GAP -burgershot621

Yeah...because it would be completely normal for a Southern Marshal to carry a .45gap, it would be a ACP if anything. [[Spades Of Columbia]]

In the episode, Raylen states he is carrying a .45 caliber glock. If it were a .45 GAP, he would say GAP. The .45 GAP is farely new, so it is understood that the character is carrying a .45 ACP, seeing as how the majority of the viewers may not be gun hounds like ourselves.-Mr. Peapobdy

Someone has now added the Glock 31 to the page. I'm starting to thing Glock sponsored this show just to advertize their product line.

Alot of the glocks on this page are speculative. For example just because a character on the show verbally says he's using a 45 doesnt mean he is using a real life Glock 21, he might say 45 but is filmed with a glock 17 or 19. Also just because it looks like a .357 sig cartridge doesnt mean its a Model 31 or 32, it might mean that he is using a model 22 with a necked and crimped blank round. They can also use the same gun in multiply seens with diffrent people...for all we know right now they can be passing the same Glock 17 and 26 to all the characters and call them diffrent calibers. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==Kentucky==
: As a former resident of Kentucky, I find Raylin's remarks about having to go back to KY hilarious. It is clearly obvious that he doesn't want to be there, and if you've ever had to live there you'll know exactly why-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think everyone feels that way about one's home state. Besides, there're bad places almost everywhere. Ever been to the backwoods of Florida? It's just like this show.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 04:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why he complains so much. I've lived in Kentucky my whole life. I love this place.

==Bulletville==
: Though you'll only see it for a glimpse, it seems as though Ava is using a USPc near the end of the episode, in the cabin. Perhaps Raylan switched his BUG, or just a pick up. Just an added note. [[GWHYSOW]]

I'm not sure where the USP came from, I think Raylan disarmed Bo's thug of it.
Other Weapons were the Revolver & Sniper Rifle used by Boyd. Two other badguys used AK rifles.

I believe the USP came from Bo's guy that was watching Ava in the cabin, then Boyd came through the back door and killed him at which point i believe Ava got the dead man's weapon. [[Spades of Columbia]]

you're right, the USP came from one of Bo's thugs. raylan finishes the fight with his back-up -burgershot621
==Moved from main page==
I hate seeing discussions on the main page do here. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
===Glock 26===
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
The Glock 26 is a subcompact pistol chambered for 9x19mm.

In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility.

-He states that his primary is a .45 Glock. No .45 Glock is this small so it stands to reason that this would be a 9mm because of Armor safety issues. There's no need for it to be a .357. However, from the size, it could easily be a Glock 33 in .357 sig or a Glock 27 in .40 S&W.

(Regarding statement above about there not being a .45 glock in that size) If you don't know anything about glocks, which you obviously don't, keep your statements off the internet. The glock 30 is a compact .45 glock. In the episode "the hammer" he states he has a .45 glock, which means he has...a .45 glock!! Pay closer attention and think before you type on a website that gun-nut cops (such as myself) visit on a daily basis.

If you seriously think that that SUB COMPACT weapon shown below is a Glock 30, then you've never held one. As a Glock 30 is a smaller COMPACT weapon. My personal belief that this is very likely the Glock 39 in .45 GAP, it's size difference being almost negligable when compared to the glock Glock 26. This show obviously seems to be marketing for glock and it stands to reason that his full size weapon is a Glock 37, also in .45 GAP. So keep your big man mouth to yourself mr "cop."--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that we can all agree that this anon "cop" is just some random kid who's parents don't love him enough.. also, my uncle carries a Glock 37, and off duty he carries a Glock 39.. both are chambered in .45 GAP. Oh, and really quick, "gun-nut cop," if you really were a cop you would know not to tell everyone on the internet, and you would have learned how to control your temper. -PunisherDave

You can clearly see it is not the Glock 30, if you've ever held one. The frame size alone is far too small, Glock 30 holds 10 .45 ACP, the 39 only 6 in GAP. My first statement was that no weapon is ".45 Glock is this small" and while it isn't true, I had considered the Glock 30 a outright saw that this weapon is too small. I also wouldn't carry a Glock 30 in an ankle holster, I believe that's where he kept it.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to correct myself, I don't think this is a Glock 39, I'm pretty sure that the Glock 39 comes with the newer Slide release, the weapon pictured doesn't.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 02:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

Could be a 36. Course I'm bad at identifing Glocks. They should show the slide at some point in every show/movie that has Glocks in it, to make the lives of us gun nuts easier. Also, he kept it in the small of his back.-AC

===Glock 21===
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]

-Possibly a Short Frame model.

Very possibly a Glock 37 in .45 GAP.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I love how when I suggest that he might be carrying a glock in .45 GAP it's shot down, but the theory has resurfaced numerious times after and now it seems like a credible option for a U.S. Marshall to be carrying one. --burgershot621

I can't think of a Reason why it couldn't be one. He specifically states its a .45 and glock would want to market it over the 21, surely.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 18:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

For the love of God its a tv show...just because a character says he is shooting a .45 does not mean that the shows armour handed the actor a .45 to act with. Number one, where and why would a movie/tv armour buy all but dead calibered hand guns like the 45GAP...and two why would a small town law enforcement agent carrie a hard to get ammoed firearm like the 45gap.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Then by your comment, why do we discuss anything at all on this website? Everything on here is just a movie, t.v. show, or video game. Number one, .45GAP is anything but dead, and U.S. Marshals aren't small town law enforcement. It's a federal law enforcment agency that is part of the executive branch. Doesn't sound small time to me, and sounds like it could stand to reason that it would use a specialized caliber such as .45 GAP. - Burgershot621

Kinda hard to call it a dead caliber when the entire the Georgia State Patrol carry Glock's in 45GAP.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

In the commercial world Yes the 45GAP is dead in the water...Glock themselves are unloading them in hope of getting rid of them at a lower fee, I can buy any model of 45Gap for atleast 20% less then any other model of glock ...because there is NO public demand. Yes, a couple state patrols got bamboozled into issueing them...but do you really think a movie armorer will go out of their way to special order a 45GAP for a TV show and then get specialized blanks for the 45gap..or do you think it is more logical to give the actors another model of glock and just put in the script that it is a 45.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

dunno, there's been some speculation as to the plethora of glocks shown in this show, such as maybe a product placement deal? who knows. i mean, the last time i looked at the actual page it was listed that raylen used a glock in .357 Sig. Why would he switch from a 9mm, to a .357, to a .45ACP? Just something to think about and no one said that the .45 was definately .45 GAP. its just speculation and is not beyond the realm of possibility...

goodwin's law.

In the commercial world? If you are going by the commercial world then the round would have to be no longer produced by any manufacturer to be dead. Federal, Magtech, Remington, Winchester, and Speer are major producers of ammunition and they still see fit to produce the .45 GAP. If major suppliers of ammunition are still producing a round, then it can't be considered dead in the water. As for .45 GAP Glock's being cheaper, its called supply and demand. The .45 GAP was forgotten by a lot of writers when Springfield Armory made their XD in .45 ACP. The same could be said about the .357 Sig. Except for Law Enforcement Agencies, not a lot of people carry or own a .357 Sig. Where I am, pistols chambered in the .357 Sig are somewhat cheaper than .40S&W, .45ACP or 9mm. They is not a great demand so suppliers are focusing more on popular models. I have cousins and know a lot of Georgia State Patrolmen. They didn't get bamboozled into the .45 GAP. They like it. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as how Para Ordnance had Springfield have decided to create 1911s and XD's chambered for .45 GAP, the round is anything but dead.---[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 00:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

In my store we have 6 types of .357 sig, 5 types of 10mm, 2 types of .327 federal...Hell we even have RCM ammo in stock. But not one box of 45 GAP, not one gun chambered in .45 GAP. All my suppliers from MT to Acusport to gunarama to ellett brothers tell me they cant give the .45GAPs away because they sit on the shelf and collect dust because nobody wants them. The ammo is becoming more and more low production similiar to the .32 H&R mag and .38 short colt ammo. Springfield DID chamber the XD in 45 gap but dropped it because NOBODY was buying them...and just try to find a Springfield 1911 in a 45 gap (they talked about it in 2005 but i never saw one). If my memory serves me right i think PARA chambers in a 9x23 so if they do do a 45gap it is meaningless for the caliber and anyway they dont do it anymore. AND Finally, If someone gave me a free 45 gap and my job supplied me with all the 45gap ammo i could shot (like the Georgia State patrol) I would most likely say that i like the caliber too...but that does not mean i would go buy my own ammo and my own personal gun in that caliber. All my customers that bought the 45gap back in the day thinking it would be cool all grew to regret it and are now trying to sell them without lossing their shirt in the deal. I call it dead because it will have no more growth, production will never be higher then the previous year...I am not yet calling the 45GAP a wildcat--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

soo back to the original point of this...it is possible that givens would have a .45 GAP glock if it was issued to him...--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 01:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The character Givens in theory could be issued a 45 gap in script form...but it is very unlikely that Timothy Olyphant physically has a .45 GAP in his hands in filming.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

One of the old teaser trailers had a few good close-ups of the Glock. "17" and "9x19" were both clear on the slide. It may not necessarily be the same one used for filming the episodes, but it seems pretty likely. [[User:Gato|Gato]] 19:48, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it was pure speculation, based upon the scene we see. If we are going go over this "9mm are easier to blank fire" thing EVERYTIME a glock is mentioned, then this site is going to get very boring. There are many incidents of a director or actor wanting the specific weapon because a person or persons they base their character on, or them just liking a certain caliber. Also, gun companies often use tv or movies to advertise their weapons or calibers or new equipment, if a character often mentions the exact caliber or model number of their weapon, it's reasonable to assume that this is the case.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 00:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It has to be a 21, I just finished watching the whole series and Raylan always fires 13 rounds before reloading, the promo art and the uk box shows a wide bore on the barrel. Coupling this with him telling the judge he uses a 'glock in 45' and tha fact the 45gap glock only has a ten round capacity i think its safe to say its a 21--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Justified

2011-02-01T22:28:19Z

Captain Snikt: /* Glock 21 */

[[Image:Justified.jpg|thumb|right|400px||''Justified'']]
'''The following guns were used in the series ''Justified'':'''

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun"==
The sidearm in ep 1 used by Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) when he shoots Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) is a 9mm [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]]. In Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1), he is seen pulling it on a fugitive suspect in Miami when he refuses to surrender and tries to shoot Raylan with a gun he had hidden underneath the table. The SIG he pulls at the beginning appears to be a [["Non Guns"|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun"]] flashpaper replica. Later in the episode, Chief Deputy Art Mullen ([[Nick Searcy]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG P226]] during the gunfight against Crowder's two "fat" Neo Nazi thugs. In later episodes (i.e. "Long in the Tooth" the gun throws some cartridges that look more like .357 SIG, must have upgraded.

**The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun".]]
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Here, he fires the SIG "Non Gun".]]

==Glock 17==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat in his crew in Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). Later in the episode a couple of Glock 17s can be seen in the trunk of Chief Mullen's SUV, when he reaches to collect some weapons and ammo to confront Crowder's two "fat" Neo-Nazi thugs
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Just2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat.]]

==Glock 19==
Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) pull a [[Glock 19]] out from under a table when he is confronted by Raylan at the beginning of the premiere episode.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 26==
In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility. In a later episode he tells to the judge that he carries a .45 Glock. Just because he says that what he uses doesn't mean the actual gun used is a .45 Glock and his backup being the same caliber.
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

==Glock 21==
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]
[[Image:justified_glock17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]Marshal Givens is asked to drop his gun in Episode 2.

==Colt 1911A1==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) is also seen armed with a nickel plated Colt [[M1911A1]] later in the premiere episode.
[[Image:NickelM1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel-plated Colt M1911A1 w/ pearl grips - .45 ACP]]

==Glock 31==
In ep 4 when Raylan in defending Raleigh and the girl from the Mexican sniper, if you pause it quick you can see that the ejected brass has a shoulder on it, making the cartridge a .357 SIG. Probably a G31.
[[Image:G31.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
Bo Crowder ([[M.C. Gainey]]) threathens his son Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]], after Boyd blew up a truck with an RPG in "Bulletville". Bo Crower later gives the gun to Arlo Givens ([[Raymond J. Barry ]]) and is also used later by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]).
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]

==Unknown Compact 1911A1==
Raylan Givens carries an unknown compact 1911A1 after arriving in Kentucky in "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It's either a Commander or Officers size model most likely. The best view of it can be seen when he does a one handed brass check on it in the motel room before leaving to Ava's. It appears to have an added beveled mag well, 3 hole combat trigger and other custom features.

it appears the compact 1911 could possibly be the new Sig Sauer version: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Justified

=Rifles=
==Ruger Mini-14==
One of Crowder's thugs uses a [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB-F in the premiere episode. He is first using it in a bank robbery then later using the Mini-14 to pin down Raylan's team.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]

==AKM==
The other Crowder thug uses an [[AKM]] first during a bank robbery then uses it to pin down Raylan's team alongside his brother.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]

==Remington R700==
In "Riverbrook" (S1E2), a police sniper uses a Remington R700 to snipe Dupree in the climax.

==Unknown AR-15 sniper rifle==
One of Given's fellow Marshals use an unknown [[AR-15]] sniper rifle configuration with Aimpoint M68 Sight and a rear night vision scope in the premiere episode.

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
Dewey Crowe ([[Damon Herriman]]) tries to intimidate Raylan by loading a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. The shotgun is fitted with pistol grip, vertical foregrip, and has a saddle shell holder attached to the left side of the shotgun's receiver. Dewey loads two rounds in the shotgun but forgets to rack in a load, in which Raylan calls him out and says "Can you rack in a load before I put a hole through it?" Later in the episode Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes Dewey's shotgun and fires one round to command Dewey.
[[Image:Mossberg500CruiserwithForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Justifiedproductionstill 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A production still of Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) seen with the Mossberge 500 Cruiser with pistol grip and vertical foregrip]]

==Mossberg 590==
Seen in season 1 episode 2 by an escaped convict taken from a prison guard during his escape. Shown with synthetic stock and forearm.

==Remington 870==
Ava Crowder ([[Joelle Carter]]) uses a Remington 870 sawn off thru out Justified.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M72 LAW==
An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church in the premiere episode.

At the end of ep 11 Boyd Crowder purchases what looks like an [[RPG-7]] from an Kentucky arms dealer.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:Just2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church. The backblast is not accurate.]]

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[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Detective]]

Justified

2011-02-01T22:27:49Z

Captain Snikt: /* Glock 21 */

[[Image:Justified.jpg|thumb|right|400px||''Justified'']]
'''The following guns were used in the series ''Justified'':'''

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun"==
The sidearm in ep 1 used by Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) when he shoots Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) is a 9mm [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]]. In Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1), he is seen pulling it on a fugitive suspect in Miami when he refuses to surrender and tries to shoot Raylan with a gun he had hidden underneath the table. The SIG he pulls at the beginning appears to be a [["Non Guns"|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun"]] flashpaper replica. Later in the episode, Chief Deputy Art Mullen ([[Nick Searcy]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG P226]] during the gunfight against Crowder's two "fat" Neo Nazi thugs. In later episodes (i.e. "Long in the Tooth" the gun throws some cartridges that look more like .357 SIG, must have upgraded.

**The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun".]]
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Here, he fires the SIG "Non Gun".]]

==Glock 17==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat in his crew in Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). Later in the episode a couple of Glock 17s can be seen in the trunk of Chief Mullen's SUV, when he reaches to collect some weapons and ammo to confront Crowder's two "fat" Neo-Nazi thugs
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Just2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat.]]

==Glock 19==
Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) pull a [[Glock 19]] out from under a table when he is confronted by Raylan at the beginning of the premiere episode.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 26==
In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility. In a later episode he tells to the judge that he carries a .45 Glock. Just because he says that what he uses doesn't mean the actual gun used is a .45 Glock and his backup being the same caliber.
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

==Glock 21==
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]
[[Image:justified_glock17.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his gun in Episode 2.

==Colt 1911A1==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) is also seen armed with a nickel plated Colt [[M1911A1]] later in the premiere episode.
[[Image:NickelM1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel-plated Colt M1911A1 w/ pearl grips - .45 ACP]]

==Glock 31==
In ep 4 when Raylan in defending Raleigh and the girl from the Mexican sniper, if you pause it quick you can see that the ejected brass has a shoulder on it, making the cartridge a .357 SIG. Probably a G31.
[[Image:G31.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
Bo Crowder ([[M.C. Gainey]]) threathens his son Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]], after Boyd blew up a truck with an RPG in "Bulletville". Bo Crower later gives the gun to Arlo Givens ([[Raymond J. Barry ]]) and is also used later by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]).
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]

==Unknown Compact 1911A1==
Raylan Givens carries an unknown compact 1911A1 after arriving in Kentucky in "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It's either a Commander or Officers size model most likely. The best view of it can be seen when he does a one handed brass check on it in the motel room before leaving to Ava's. It appears to have an added beveled mag well, 3 hole combat trigger and other custom features.

it appears the compact 1911 could possibly be the new Sig Sauer version: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Justified

=Rifles=
==Ruger Mini-14==
One of Crowder's thugs uses a [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB-F in the premiere episode. He is first using it in a bank robbery then later using the Mini-14 to pin down Raylan's team.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]

==AKM==
The other Crowder thug uses an [[AKM]] first during a bank robbery then uses it to pin down Raylan's team alongside his brother.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]

==Remington R700==
In "Riverbrook" (S1E2), a police sniper uses a Remington R700 to snipe Dupree in the climax.

==Unknown AR-15 sniper rifle==
One of Given's fellow Marshals use an unknown [[AR-15]] sniper rifle configuration with Aimpoint M68 Sight and a rear night vision scope in the premiere episode.

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
Dewey Crowe ([[Damon Herriman]]) tries to intimidate Raylan by loading a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. The shotgun is fitted with pistol grip, vertical foregrip, and has a saddle shell holder attached to the left side of the shotgun's receiver. Dewey loads two rounds in the shotgun but forgets to rack in a load, in which Raylan calls him out and says "Can you rack in a load before I put a hole through it?" Later in the episode Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes Dewey's shotgun and fires one round to command Dewey.
[[Image:Mossberg500CruiserwithForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Justifiedproductionstill 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A production still of Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) seen with the Mossberge 500 Cruiser with pistol grip and vertical foregrip]]

==Mossberg 590==
Seen in season 1 episode 2 by an escaped convict taken from a prison guard during his escape. Shown with synthetic stock and forearm.

==Remington 870==
Ava Crowder ([[Joelle Carter]]) uses a Remington 870 sawn off thru out Justified.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M72 LAW==
An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church in the premiere episode.

At the end of ep 11 Boyd Crowder purchases what looks like an [[RPG-7]] from an Kentucky arms dealer.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:Just2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church. The backblast is not accurate.]]

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[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Detective]]

Justified

2011-02-01T22:27:18Z

Captain Snikt: /* Glock 17 */

[[Image:Justified.jpg|thumb|right|400px||''Justified'']]
'''The following guns were used in the series ''Justified'':'''

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun"==
The sidearm in ep 1 used by Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) when he shoots Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) is a 9mm [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]]. In Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1), he is seen pulling it on a fugitive suspect in Miami when he refuses to surrender and tries to shoot Raylan with a gun he had hidden underneath the table. The SIG he pulls at the beginning appears to be a [["Non Guns"|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun"]] flashpaper replica. Later in the episode, Chief Deputy Art Mullen ([[Nick Searcy]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG P226]] during the gunfight against Crowder's two "fat" Neo Nazi thugs. In later episodes (i.e. "Long in the Tooth" the gun throws some cartridges that look more like .357 SIG, must have upgraded.

**The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun".]]
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Here, he fires the SIG "Non Gun".]]

==Glock 17==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat in his crew in Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). Later in the episode a couple of Glock 17s can be seen in the trunk of Chief Mullen's SUV, when he reaches to collect some weapons and ammo to confront Crowder's two "fat" Neo-Nazi thugs
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Just2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat.]]

==Glock 19==
Tommy Bucks ([[Peter Greene]]) pull a [[Glock 19]] out from under a table when he is confronted by Raylan at the beginning of the premiere episode.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 26==
In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility. In a later episode he tells to the judge that he carries a .45 Glock. Just because he says that what he uses doesn't mean the actual gun used is a .45 Glock and his backup being the same caliber.
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

==Glock 21==
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]

==Colt 1911A1==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) is also seen armed with a nickel plated Colt [[M1911A1]] later in the premiere episode.
[[Image:NickelM1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Nickel-plated Colt M1911A1 w/ pearl grips - .45 ACP]]

==Glock 31==
In ep 4 when Raylan in defending Raleigh and the girl from the Mexican sniper, if you pause it quick you can see that the ejected brass has a shoulder on it, making the cartridge a .357 SIG. Probably a G31.
[[Image:G31.jpg|thumb|none|300px|]]
The reason there is a shoulder on the casings is because they are blanks, not actual ammunition. Blanks are the same shape of a regular round of ammunition that is crimped at the top. They are shaped that way so they will feed smoothly.

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
Bo Crowder ([[M.C. Gainey]]) threathens his son Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) with a [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]], after Boyd blew up a truck with an RPG in "Bulletville". Bo Crower later gives the gun to Arlo Givens ([[Raymond J. Barry ]]) and is also used later by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]).
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|400px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]

==Unknown Compact 1911A1==
Raylan Givens carries an unknown compact 1911A1 after arriving in Kentucky in "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It's either a Commander or Officers size model most likely. The best view of it can be seen when he does a one handed brass check on it in the motel room before leaving to Ava's. It appears to have an added beveled mag well, 3 hole combat trigger and other custom features.

it appears the compact 1911 could possibly be the new Sig Sauer version: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Justified

=Rifles=
==Ruger Mini-14==
One of Crowder's thugs uses a [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB-F in the premiere episode. He is first using it in a bank robbery then later using the Mini-14 to pin down Raylan's team.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]

==AKM==
The other Crowder thug uses an [[AKM]] first during a bank robbery then uses it to pin down Raylan's team alongside his brother.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]

==Remington R700==
In "Riverbrook" (S1E2), a police sniper uses a Remington R700 to snipe Dupree in the climax.

==Unknown AR-15 sniper rifle==
One of Given's fellow Marshals use an unknown [[AR-15]] sniper rifle configuration with Aimpoint M68 Sight and a rear night vision scope in the premiere episode.

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
Dewey Crowe ([[Damon Herriman]]) tries to intimidate Raylan by loading a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. The shotgun is fitted with pistol grip, vertical foregrip, and has a saddle shell holder attached to the left side of the shotgun's receiver. Dewey loads two rounds in the shotgun but forgets to rack in a load, in which Raylan calls him out and says "Can you rack in a load before I put a hole through it?" Later in the episode Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes Dewey's shotgun and fires one round to command Dewey.
[[Image:Mossberg500CruiserwithForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Justifiedproductionstill 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A production still of Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) seen with the Mossberge 500 Cruiser with pistol grip and vertical foregrip]]

==Mossberg 590==
Seen in season 1 episode 2 by an escaped convict taken from a prison guard during his escape. Shown with synthetic stock and forearm.

==Remington 870==
Ava Crowder ([[Joelle Carter]]) uses a Remington 870 sawn off thru out Justified.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M72 LAW==
An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church in the premiere episode.

At the end of ep 11 Boyd Crowder purchases what looks like an [[RPG-7]] from an Kentucky arms dealer.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:Just2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church. The backblast is not accurate.]]

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Talk:The Mechanic (2011)

2011-01-30T22:21:17Z

Captain Snikt: /* Couch Gun */

==Unidentified Weapons==

A thug threatens McKenna with a pistol before being subdued.

[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:Mechanic-pistol-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
[[Image:SeecampLWS-32.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Seecamp LWS-32 .32 ACP. my best guess [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]]]

== McKenna's 1911 ==

Is it me or does it look like the 1911 McKenna is using is the engraved one that is used in Supernatural and Machette? --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] 01:34, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

It's similiar, but both of the ones you mentioned are heavily engraved, especially De Niro's. The pistol from this film just has a phrase on either side of the slide. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]

==hitmen in movies==
in this version it look like there assanations are the run in and shoot the place to pieces. is the original he tried to make it look like an an accident first

well they only show three hits . the one in the pool , which is totaly ninja , the one where the gas station blows, an accident and then the all out brawl in the street , and being that they killed his mentor and father, i would hit em hard also . and being that they are aware of the hitmans presence , the sneek atack isnt an option. [[User: Simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==THIS MOVIE==
is gonna be total crap, I promise. --[[User:ZeoRanger5|ZeoRanger5]] 18:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Impossible, it stars Jason Statham. --[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 11:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

==The Barret==
[[Ben Foster]] is the one firing it right.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Yup, he decimates a cinder block in short order. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]

==Couch Gun==
For those who've seen the movie, at one point a character draws a pistol from the inside of a couch. Anyone catch what it was? It was lightning fast, but I'm thinking Glock 19. Hopefully someone can confirm. [[User:mmarlon brando|mmarlon brando]]

I thought it was a SIG, id say 226 or 228 as I think i remember it having a hammer, dont quote me on that tho --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 22:21, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

The Expendables

2011-01-16T17:22:52Z

Captain Snikt: /* Beretta 92G Elite 1A */

Bradley Cooper

2011-01-16T17:19:50Z

Captain Snikt:

[[Image:ATeamG17.jpg|thumb|right|500px|''Bradley Cooper'' Aims a [[Glock 17]] as Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck in [[The A-Team (2010)]] ]]
'''Bradley Cooper can be seen with the following firearms in the following films'''
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
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!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="175"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
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| [[M4A1 Carbine]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || fitted with tan furniture, Magpul CTR stock, and red dot sight || 2010
|-
| [[Browning M2]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || tank mounted || 2010
|-
| [[Glock 17]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[Walther P99]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || Seen holstered on tactical vest || 2010
|-

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Bradley Cooper

2011-01-16T17:18:52Z

Captain Snikt:

[[Image:ATeamG17.jpg|thumb|right|500px|''Bradley Cooper'' Aims a [[Glock 17]] as Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck in [[The A-Team (2010)]] ]]
'''Bradley Cooper can be seen with the following firearms in the following films'''
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="275"|'''Gun'''
!align=center bgcolor=#DOE7FF width="200"|'''Character'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="175"|'''Title'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="300"|'''Note'''
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width="100"|'''Date'''
|-
| [[M4A1 Carbine]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || fitted with tan furniture, Magpul CTR stock, and red dot sight || 2010
|-
| [[Browning M2]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || tank mounted || 2010
|-
| [[Glock 17]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || || 2010
|-
| [[Walther P99]] || Lt. Templeton "Faceman" Peck || ''[[The A-Team (2010)]]'' || || 2010
|-

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Star Wars

2011-01-14T02:17:29Z

Captain Snikt: /* Jawa blasters */

Throughout the six films of the Star Wars saga, creator George Lucas was determined that the universe he envisioned would have a "lived-in" look to it. Thus, the many weapons seen in the saga are in fact visually modified or based upon real-world weapons.

The following lists the real-world firearms that were visually modified for use in the six films of the ''Star Wars'' saga:

[[Image:StarwarsMovieposter.jpg|thumb|600px|right|The Star Wars Saga (1977-2005)]]

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=Original Trilogy (Episodes IV, V, and VI)=
==Vostok Margolin .22LR target pistol==

In the early scenes of ''A New Hope'' and in a few scenes in ''Return Of The Jedi'', Princess Leia ([[Carrie Fisher]]) can be seen with a Defender Sporting Blaster, actually a Vostok Margolin .22 LR Target Pistol, with some muzzle attachment fitted. The end of the attachment is actually a compensator that was also available for the pistol.
[[Image:SWVM22a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:SWVM22b.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:SWVM22.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:SW 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leia with the Vostok Margolin pistol before shooting a stormtrooper with it in ''A New Hope''.]]
[[Image:SW-Vostokpistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of Leia's Vostok Margolin pistol in ''Return of the Jedi.'' Note that the muzzle attachment has been removed and a few differences in its design.]]

==BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle (Sterling L2A3)==

Standard issue blaster rifle of the Imperial Stormtroopers. The E-11 blaster rifle props were built from the British-made [[Sterling SMG | Sterling L2A3]] submachine gun. Numerous main characters, including Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker ([[Mark Hamill]]), and Han Solo ([[Harrison Ford]]) use the weapon. Lando Calrissian ([[Billy Dee Williams]]) also uses an E-11 blaster in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.

While the gun is being fired, in some scenes, if you look closely, you can see the spent casings being ejected out of the gun. The one that comes to mind is in ''A New Hope'' when Luke and Leia swing across the gap to the other side of the bridge while inside the Death Star. The stormtrooper that fires at them from the platform they just left clearly has spent casings coming out of the gun.

[[Image:SterlingSMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sterling Submachine Gun - 9mm]]
[[Image:SWE11br.jpg|thumb|none|500px|BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle. Standard-issue blaster rifle of the Imperial Stormtroopers]]

[[Image:Star Wars-Sterling2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stormtroopers fire their E-11 blaster rifles at the Rebels on the ship Tantive IV in ''A New Hope.'']]
[[Image:StarWars-Sterling3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Princess Leia fires an E-11 Blaster. Note a spent shell casing is visible when she fires (circled in red).]]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo fires his E-11 blaster rifle at Stormtroopers while trapped in the Death Star.]]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luke Skywalker fires his E-11 blaster rifle while stuck on a bridge in the Death Star.]]
[[Image:STarWars-Sterling.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stormtrooper with a BlasTech E-11 during the arrest of Rebel forces in ''Return of the Jedi.'']]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Yeeeh ha ha!" An Ewok holds a captured E-11 blaster rifle while cheering in victory during the Battle of Endor.]]

==BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol==

The BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol is one of the blaster pistols on issue to the Rebel Alliance. Like the E-11 blaster rifle prop, the DH-17 blaster pistol prop was also built from the British-made [[Sterling SMG | Sterling L2A3]] submachine gun. The version used by Rebel troops in Episode IV is quite different than the Episode V pistol pictured below. The muzzle flashes appear to be added in post-production, given that there was no magazine.

[[Image:SWE11br2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-DH-171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of Rebels with BlasTech DH-17s.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DH-172.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebels open fire on the stormtroopers invading the ship Tantive IV.]]

==BlasTech A280 and A295 blaster rifles==

Standard issue blaster rifle of the Rebel Alliance ground forces in both ''The Empire Strikes Back'' and ''Return Of The Jedi''. Both the A280 and A295 blaster rifle props were CAST FROM replicas simlilar to (built from) both the World War 2-era German [[Sturmgewehr 44]] (''The Empire Strikes Back'') and from the [[M16]] series rifles (''Return Of The Jedi'').

[[Image:SWBTA280.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-SWBTA280.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A line of Rebel Hoth forces in the back fire their A295 blaster rifles at the Imperial walkers in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SWBTA2802.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of a Rebel's A295 blaster rifle in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:Starwars-A295.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel forces on Endor aim their A280 blaster rifles at a lone scout trooper.]]

==DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle (MG34)==

Standard issue heavy blaster of the Imperial Stormtroopers. The DLT-19s were nothing more than World War 2 German [[MG34]] general purpose machine guns with little to no modifications to its external appearance.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with 75-round ammo drum]]
[[Image:SWSTBR2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DLT-19 Heavy Blaster]]
[[Image:SWSTBR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sandtrooper officer on the left carries the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle (MG34).]]
[[Image:SW 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the stormtroopers investigating the Millennium Falcon carrying the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle.]]
[[Image:SW-DLT-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chewbacca fires his DLT-19 at the Death Star's security alarms.]]

== T-21 Blaster Rifle (Lewis Machine Gun)==
The heavy blaster seen carried by the Sandtrooper Officer is a modified British Lewis light machine gun.
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Lewis gun .303]]
[[Image:T-21blasterifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The T-21 blaster rifle as seen in Star Wars.]]
[[Image:SWSTBR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sandtrooper officer in the middle carries the T-21 Blaster (Lewis Machine Gun sans drum magazine).]]

== RT-97C heavy blaster rifle (MG15 machine gun) ==
An Imperial Sandtrooper can be seen holding a RT-97C heavy blaster rifle while on patrol on Tatooine. The RT-97C heavy blaster rifle prop is in fact a modified German [[MG15 machine gun]].
[[Image:MG15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG15 machine gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

==DL-44 Blastech blaster pistol==
The DL-44 blaster pistol was the blaster of choice for Han Solo ([[Harrison Ford]]) and the Rebel Alliance. The weapon is seen wielded by Luke Skywalker ([[Mark Hamill]]) throughout ''The Empire Strikes Back''. Possibly the best known duplicate of a real gun, the DL-44 blaster pistol prop was built from a [[Mauser C96]] handgun, sometimes with a sniper scope. The modifications are obviously added on to the exterior, though the distinct "broomhandle" grips are still wooden.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser. Note the rear tangent sight; in something of a display of wishful thinking, the C96's sight is adjustable for ranges up to 1000 metres.]]
[[Image:SWHanB.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Star Wars version of the pistol.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-44.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo with his DL-44 blaster pistol in ''Return Of The Jedi.'' In the background is Leia with her Vostok Margolin .22LR target pistol.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-442.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luke gets surprised by Yoda's appearance and draws out his DL-44 blaster on him in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-441.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo chambers his scoped DL-44 blaster in ''A New Hope.'' Note the coiled frame on the pistol.]]

==Ion blaster==
The Ion blaster utilized by the Jawa who shot R2-D2 in ''A New Hope'' was built from a cut-down British [[SMLE|Lee-Enfield No.1 MkIII*]] series bolt-action rifle with the grenade launcher cup attached to the shortened barrel.

[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century.]]
[[Image:SWJawab.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa aims the Jawa blaster at R2-D2.]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa fires the Jawa blaster, disabling R2-D2.]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa with the Jawa blaster as he calls out his fellow Jawas.]]

== Boba Fett's EE-3 Blaster Carbine==
The prop Boba Fett uses in the films is a modified Webley & Scott No.1 Mark 1 Flare Gun.
[[Image:SWBobafett.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BobaFett-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boba Fett with his EE-3 blaster carbine while guarding Jabba the Hutt in ''Return Of The Jedi''.]]
[[Image:BobaFett-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boba Fett aims his EE-3 blaster carbine at Luke during the battle on Jabba's ship before the carbine gets cut in half by Luke.]]

== Ponda Baba's SE-14C blaster pistol ==
The SE-14C blaster pistol Ponda Baba used when his partner, Evazan, tries to get Luke Skywalker into a fight at the Mos Eisley cantina in ''A New Hope'' is actually a Swiss Rexim-Favor submachine gun with the stock, barrel, and magazine removed and has a double sniper scope attached.
[[Image:SE14Cblaster-Starwars.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The SE-14C, a common weapon for Mos Eisley gangsters according to Wookieepedia.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SE-14C.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ponda Baba fires his SE-14C blaster pistol at Obi-Wan.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SE-14C2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SE-14C blaster pistol on the ground with Ponda Baba's arm cut off by Obi Wan's lightsaber.]]

=Prequel Trilogy (Episodes I, II, and III)=
==S-5 Blaster Pistol==
In Episode I ''The Phantom Menace'', the Naboo troops used this weapon that was based around a Walther LP300 Model Air Gun.
[[Image:SWNaboo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Feinwerkbau C55 Model Air Gun]]
[[Image:Starwars-Naboopistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Naboo troops with Naboo blasters.]]
[[Image:Starwars-Naboopistol2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Panaka carries a Naboo blaster as Padme ([[Natalie Portman]]) fires a Naboo pistol.]]

==CR-2 Blaster==
Also seen in ''The Phantom Menace'' is the Naboo CR-2 Blaster, which appears to be based off of the [[Calico#Calico M950/950A|Calico M950A]].
[[Image:CR-23.jpg|400px|thumb|none|The Naboo blaster which is called, according to the Star Wars wiki, the CR-2 blaster.]]
[[Image:CR-2-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Naboo trooper with a CR-2 blaster (circled in red) while riding on a Naboo speeder.]]
[[Image:CR-2blaster-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Naboo trooper behind Anakin Skywalker with a CR-2 blaster.]]

==DC-15A Heavy Plasma Rifle==
Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the DC-15-series was a range of plasma weapons used by the Republic clone troopers during the Clone Wars in Episode II ''Attack of the Clones'' and Episode III ''Revenge of the Sith''. Although entirely computer-generated (as are all the Clone Troopers, no costumes were manufactured,) its design is based on parts from the German [[MG34]] making up the rear half, as well as much of the [[Sterling SMG|Sterling L2A3]] turned upside-down for the front.
[[Image:DC-15a Blaster Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yoda accompanies a squad of clone troopers with DC-15A heavy blaster rifles in ''Attack of the Clones.'']]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A clone trooper fires his DC-15A heavy blaster rifle at battle droids during the rescue of Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padme Amidala and the Jedi.]]
[[Image:DC-15A-Starwars3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of clone troopers with DC-15A heavy blaster rifles while advancing behind Mace Windu ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]).]]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Swamp clone troopers fire on the Trade Federation droid army in ''Revenge of the Sith.'']]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Galactic Marines aim their DC-15A heavy blaster rifles at Ki-Adi-Mundi after Order 66 was issued.]]

==DC-15S Compact Plasma Rifle==
Like the M16 has the M4, the DC-15A has the DC-15S. It is basically a compacted version (a "carbine" if you will) of the DC-15, lacking some of the range but making up for it in ease of use and portability. It is usually seen in the hands of officers, most notably Commander Bacara when he and the Galactic Marines kill Ki-Adi-Mundi, as well as in the hands of many regular clone troopers (the design of the DC-15S carbine would later influence the design and development of the E-11 blaster rifle used by the Imperial Stormtroopers in Episodes IV-VI). As this weapon is computer generated, what it is based upon (if any) is currently unknown; its similarity to the E-11 suggests it was based on the [[Sterling SMG|Sterling L2A3]] as well.
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Commander Bacara (The one in the middle) has a DC-15S.]]

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Star Wars

2011-01-14T02:16:27Z

Captain Snikt: /* DL-44 blaster pistol */

Throughout the six films of the Star Wars saga, creator George Lucas was determined that the universe he envisioned would have a "lived-in" look to it. Thus, the many weapons seen in the saga are in fact visually modified or based upon real-world weapons.

The following lists the real-world firearms that were visually modified for use in the six films of the ''Star Wars'' saga:

[[Image:StarwarsMovieposter.jpg|thumb|600px|right|The Star Wars Saga (1977-2005)]]

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=Original Trilogy (Episodes IV, V, and VI)=
==Vostok Margolin .22LR target pistol==

In the early scenes of ''A New Hope'' and in a few scenes in ''Return Of The Jedi'', Princess Leia ([[Carrie Fisher]]) can be seen with a Defender Sporting Blaster, actually a Vostok Margolin .22 LR Target Pistol, with some muzzle attachment fitted. The end of the attachment is actually a compensator that was also available for the pistol.
[[Image:SWVM22a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
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[[Image:SW 07.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leia with the Vostok Margolin pistol before shooting a stormtrooper with it in ''A New Hope''.]]
[[Image:SW-Vostokpistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of Leia's Vostok Margolin pistol in ''Return of the Jedi.'' Note that the muzzle attachment has been removed and a few differences in its design.]]

==BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle (Sterling L2A3)==

Standard issue blaster rifle of the Imperial Stormtroopers. The E-11 blaster rifle props were built from the British-made [[Sterling SMG | Sterling L2A3]] submachine gun. Numerous main characters, including Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker ([[Mark Hamill]]), and Han Solo ([[Harrison Ford]]) use the weapon. Lando Calrissian ([[Billy Dee Williams]]) also uses an E-11 blaster in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.

While the gun is being fired, in some scenes, if you look closely, you can see the spent casings being ejected out of the gun. The one that comes to mind is in ''A New Hope'' when Luke and Leia swing across the gap to the other side of the bridge while inside the Death Star. The stormtrooper that fires at them from the platform they just left clearly has spent casings coming out of the gun.

[[Image:SterlingSMG.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Sterling Submachine Gun - 9mm]]
[[Image:SWE11br.jpg|thumb|none|500px|BlasTech E-11 blaster rifle. Standard-issue blaster rifle of the Imperial Stormtroopers]]

[[Image:Star Wars-Sterling2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Stormtroopers fire their E-11 blaster rifles at the Rebels on the ship Tantive IV in ''A New Hope.'']]
[[Image:StarWars-Sterling3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Princess Leia fires an E-11 Blaster. Note a spent shell casing is visible when she fires (circled in red).]]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo fires his E-11 blaster rifle at Stormtroopers while trapped in the Death Star.]]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luke Skywalker fires his E-11 blaster rifle while stuck on a bridge in the Death Star.]]
[[Image:STarWars-Sterling.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A stormtrooper with a BlasTech E-11 during the arrest of Rebel forces in ''Return of the Jedi.'']]
[[Image:Starwars-Sterling6.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Yeeeh ha ha!" An Ewok holds a captured E-11 blaster rifle while cheering in victory during the Battle of Endor.]]

==BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol==

The BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol is one of the blaster pistols on issue to the Rebel Alliance. Like the E-11 blaster rifle prop, the DH-17 blaster pistol prop was also built from the British-made [[Sterling SMG | Sterling L2A3]] submachine gun. The version used by Rebel troops in Episode IV is quite different than the Episode V pistol pictured below. The muzzle flashes appear to be added in post-production, given that there was no magazine.

[[Image:SWE11br2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-DH-171.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of Rebels with BlasTech DH-17s.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DH-172.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebels open fire on the stormtroopers invading the ship Tantive IV.]]

==BlasTech A280 and A295 blaster rifles==

Standard issue blaster rifle of the Rebel Alliance ground forces in both ''The Empire Strikes Back'' and ''Return Of The Jedi''. Both the A280 and A295 blaster rifle props were CAST FROM replicas simlilar to (built from) both the World War 2-era German [[Sturmgewehr 44]] (''The Empire Strikes Back'') and from the [[M16]] series rifles (''Return Of The Jedi'').

[[Image:SWBTA280.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-SWBTA280.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A line of Rebel Hoth forces in the back fire their A295 blaster rifles at the Imperial walkers in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SWBTA2802.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A close up of a Rebel's A295 blaster rifle in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:Starwars-A295.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rebel forces on Endor aim their A280 blaster rifles at a lone scout trooper.]]

==DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle (MG34)==

Standard issue heavy blaster of the Imperial Stormtroopers. The DLT-19s were nothing more than World War 2 German [[MG34]] general purpose machine guns with little to no modifications to its external appearance.
[[Image:mg-34.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG34 7.92x57mm Mauser with 75-round ammo drum]]
[[Image:SWSTBR2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|DLT-19 Heavy Blaster]]
[[Image:SWSTBR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sandtrooper officer on the left carries the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle (MG34).]]
[[Image:SW 04.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of the stormtroopers investigating the Millennium Falcon carrying the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle.]]
[[Image:SW-DLT-19.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Chewbacca fires his DLT-19 at the Death Star's security alarms.]]

== T-21 Blaster Rifle (Lewis Machine Gun)==
The heavy blaster seen carried by the Sandtrooper Officer is a modified British Lewis light machine gun.
[[Image:Lewis gun.JPG|thumb|none|450px|Lewis gun .303]]
[[Image:T-21blasterifle.jpg|thumb|none|450px|The T-21 blaster rifle as seen in Star Wars.]]
[[Image:SWSTBR.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Sandtrooper officer in the middle carries the T-21 Blaster (Lewis Machine Gun sans drum magazine).]]

== RT-97C heavy blaster rifle (MG15 machine gun) ==
An Imperial Sandtrooper can be seen holding a RT-97C heavy blaster rifle while on patrol on Tatooine. The RT-97C heavy blaster rifle prop is in fact a modified German [[MG15 machine gun]].
[[Image:MG15.jpg|thumb|none|500px|MG15 machine gun 7.92x57mm Mauser]]

==DL-44 Blastech blaster pistol==
The DL-44 blaster pistol was the blaster of choice for Han Solo ([[Harrison Ford]]) and the Rebel Alliance. The weapon is seen wielded by Luke Skywalker ([[Mark Hamill]]) throughout ''The Empire Strikes Back''. Possibly the best known duplicate of a real gun, the DL-44 blaster pistol prop was built from a [[Mauser C96]] handgun, sometimes with a sniper scope. The modifications are obviously added on to the exterior, though the distinct "broomhandle" grips are still wooden.
[[Image:C96Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Pre-War dated Mauser C96 "Broomhandle" Commercial Version - 7.63x25mm Mauser. Note the rear tangent sight; in something of a display of wishful thinking, the C96's sight is adjustable for ranges up to 1000 metres.]]
[[Image:SWHanB.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Star Wars version of the pistol.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-44.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo with his DL-44 blaster pistol in ''Return Of The Jedi.'' In the background is Leia with her Vostok Margolin .22LR target pistol.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-442.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Luke gets surprised by Yoda's appearance and draws out his DL-44 blaster on him in ''The Empire Strikes Back''.]]
[[Image:StarWars-DL-441.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Han Solo chambers his scoped DL-44 blaster in ''A New Hope.'' Note the coiled frame on the pistol.]]

==Jawa blasters==
The blaster utilized by the Jawa who shot R2-D2 in ''A New Hope'' was built from a cut-down British [[SMLE|Lee-Enfield No.1 MkIII*]] series bolt-action rifle with the grenade launcher cup attached to the shortened barrel.

[[Image:SMLE.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lee-Enfield No.1 Mk.III* - .303 British. This was the main battle rifle of British and Commonwealth forces during the First World War, introduced in 1907 it has seen action throughout the 20th century.]]
[[Image:SWJawab.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster0.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa aims the Jawa blaster at R2-D2.]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa fires the Jawa blaster, disabling R2-D2.]]
[[Image:StarWars-jawablaster2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The Jawa with the Jawa blaster as he calls out his fellow Jawas.]]

== Boba Fett's EE-3 Blaster Carbine==
The prop Boba Fett uses in the films is a modified Webley & Scott No.1 Mark 1 Flare Gun.
[[Image:SWBobafett.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:BobaFett-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boba Fett with his EE-3 blaster carbine while guarding Jabba the Hutt in ''Return Of The Jedi''.]]
[[Image:BobaFett-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boba Fett aims his EE-3 blaster carbine at Luke during the battle on Jabba's ship before the carbine gets cut in half by Luke.]]

== Ponda Baba's SE-14C blaster pistol ==
The SE-14C blaster pistol Ponda Baba used when his partner, Evazan, tries to get Luke Skywalker into a fight at the Mos Eisley cantina in ''A New Hope'' is actually a Swiss Rexim-Favor submachine gun with the stock, barrel, and magazine removed and has a double sniper scope attached.
[[Image:SE14Cblaster-Starwars.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The SE-14C, a common weapon for Mos Eisley gangsters according to Wookieepedia.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SE-14C.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Ponda Baba fires his SE-14C blaster pistol at Obi-Wan.]]
[[Image:StarWars-SE-14C2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The SE-14C blaster pistol on the ground with Ponda Baba's arm cut off by Obi Wan's lightsaber.]]

=Prequel Trilogy (Episodes I, II, and III)=
==S-5 Blaster Pistol==
In Episode I ''The Phantom Menace'', the Naboo troops used this weapon that was based around a Walther LP300 Model Air Gun.
[[Image:SWNaboo.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Feinwerkbau C55 Model Air Gun]]
[[Image:Starwars-Naboopistol.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Naboo troops with Naboo blasters.]]
[[Image:Starwars-Naboopistol2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Captain Panaka carries a Naboo blaster as Padme ([[Natalie Portman]]) fires a Naboo pistol.]]

==CR-2 Blaster==
Also seen in ''The Phantom Menace'' is the Naboo CR-2 Blaster, which appears to be based off of the [[Calico#Calico M950/950A|Calico M950A]].
[[Image:CR-23.jpg|400px|thumb|none|The Naboo blaster which is called, according to the Star Wars wiki, the CR-2 blaster.]]
[[Image:CR-2-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Naboo trooper with a CR-2 blaster (circled in red) while riding on a Naboo speeder.]]
[[Image:CR-2blaster-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A Naboo trooper behind Anakin Skywalker with a CR-2 blaster.]]

==DC-15A Heavy Plasma Rifle==
Manufactured by BlasTech Industries, the DC-15-series was a range of plasma weapons used by the Republic clone troopers during the Clone Wars in Episode II ''Attack of the Clones'' and Episode III ''Revenge of the Sith''. Although entirely computer-generated (as are all the Clone Troopers, no costumes were manufactured,) its design is based on parts from the German [[MG34]] making up the rear half, as well as much of the [[Sterling SMG|Sterling L2A3]] turned upside-down for the front.
[[Image:DC-15a Blaster Rifle.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Yoda accompanies a squad of clone troopers with DC-15A heavy blaster rifles in ''Attack of the Clones.'']]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A clone trooper fires his DC-15A heavy blaster rifle at battle droids during the rescue of Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padme Amidala and the Jedi.]]
[[Image:DC-15A-Starwars3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A group of clone troopers with DC-15A heavy blaster rifles while advancing behind Mace Windu ([[Samuel L. Jackson]]).]]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Swamp clone troopers fire on the Trade Federation droid army in ''Revenge of the Sith.'']]
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Galactic Marines aim their DC-15A heavy blaster rifles at Ki-Adi-Mundi after Order 66 was issued.]]

==DC-15S Compact Plasma Rifle==
Like the M16 has the M4, the DC-15A has the DC-15S. It is basically a compacted version (a "carbine" if you will) of the DC-15, lacking some of the range but making up for it in ease of use and portability. It is usually seen in the hands of officers, most notably Commander Bacara when he and the Galactic Marines kill Ki-Adi-Mundi, as well as in the hands of many regular clone troopers (the design of the DC-15S carbine would later influence the design and development of the E-11 blaster rifle used by the Imperial Stormtroopers in Episodes IV-VI). As this weapon is computer generated, what it is based upon (if any) is currently unknown; its similarity to the E-11 suggests it was based on the [[Sterling SMG|Sterling L2A3]] as well.
[[Image:DC-15A-StarWars5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Commander Bacara (The one in the middle) has a DC-15S.]]

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Talk:Franchi SPAS-12

2011-01-10T17:48:10Z

Captain Snikt:

is it just me or are we seeing less and less of the Franchi SPAS-12
:Yup, and the AA12 has taken its place. At least the AA12 isn't heavy and useless-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

- Plus the Benelli M3 gave us the same gun without being quite as heavy or bulky. Still, the SPAS will always have that eternal beefy and badass look to it - Which is the main reason it was used so much. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 00:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

:It's really strange to me that the AA12 has become the latest, coolest auto-shotgun of choice in movies lately, considering that the design is actually ''older'' than the SPAS-12. But yes, Hollywood definitely loves the SPAS, or did. They were still appearing in tons of movies long after Franchi discontinued them. I kinda wish the SPAS-15 had caught on, but no go. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:I held a Spas 12 last year and it seems to be heavier than my AR. I still have no clue why people love them so damn much-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 02:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

is the look, it has a intimidating appearance.
The AA12 looks cool and could be a effective weapons system. I don't see modern army adopting as a main rifle, because it the size of a rifle but don't have the range. Rex095
:I'd imagine that no one is going to adopt it as a main rifle because IT'S NOT A RIFLE TO BEGIN WITH.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 07:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
:He meant as a main infantry individual firearm, don't pick on words.
::Doesn't matter. [[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] was correct. A shotgun will NEVER be a main infantry weapon anyway. So the initial comment was weird. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I have the Franchi SPAS 12 in my armory. It sucks. Seriously. It's hard to rack rounds on pump action and it tends to jam on semi auto action (either LIVE rounds at the range or blanks rounds with a BFA doesn't matter, it is still really finicky). It tried hard to be the best of both worlds and sucks at both. It's heavy, clunky and is hard to use. Why do you see so many times in films it's used ONLY as a pump action shotgun? because the semiauto action sucks and jams. What I dont' understand is why Franchi didn't just make a dedicated pump action shotgun that LOOKED like the SPAS12 (to get around the stupid "Assault weapon bans" in various states in the US), cut down on the weight and make the action smooth and light. Just the bad ass looks alone would have been a selling point. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 20:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Pfff. i don't care if it looks badass. it a useless hunk of metal. you want a Better, comparible weapon? benelli M3T, ligghter, sleeker, RELIABLE, nearly any shotgun in a combat test would beat a SPAS. For something scary or bad ass that is a better choice for movies? Saiga 12k, Protecta, striker, HS model 10A or a USAS-12. But they picked the SPAS. i was offered to shoot one at a gun convention and i passed. because the SPAS is 9 odd pounds of ''Scheisse'' [[User:SargeOverkill]]

Guess I'm the only one on this site who loves the SPAS 12. :( 9 pounds, pfff, that's not much at all, the AA12 is probably heavier and it's bulkier than the SPAS 12 to boot (not that the AA12's bad in any way). did you know that heavier shotguns are much easier to control and maintain while firing than say, 6 to 7 pound shotguns. Well MoviePropMaster2008 I think you got a lemon SPAS 12 (I bet you can find a lemon Benelli M1014 (my next favorite shotgun) and it's one of the most reliable shotguns in the world!), I've heard from other sources that the SPAS 12 is very reliable, it's possible you have a civilian version (Sporting Purpose Automatic Shotgun), which is probably inferior to the Military version (Special Purpose Automatic Shotgun). I love the SPAS 12 and all it's heavy bulkiness, and you won't make me think differently. :) I not saying its the best shotgun ever but its diffidently a great one. Try talking to actual SPAS 12 users and see what you get. Oh by the way, Protecta/Striker suck because they take way to long to reload and I've heard the USAS-12 isn't very reliable. What's a HS Model 10A? The SPAS 12 being finicky, 1911 pistols can also be finicky but people still love them and carry them into combat.

::Wait a minute. ''' DO YOU OWN ONE?''' If you don't then you don't hold much sway over those who actually own the shotgun. Also, you asked what an HS10A was. It stands for High Standard Model 10A, which was one of the FIRST bullpup auto shotguns in production. But I wait to see if you own one, and whether or not it is a civilian one or a military one. And also, identify yourself when you post :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
[[Image:HIghStandardM10Shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10A shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10A had the flashlight integral to the body of the shotgun and is the rarer of the two models.]]
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|400px|none|High Standard Model 10B shotgun - 12 gauge. The Model 10B had a removeable carry handle and bar to attach both a handle and a flashlight.]]
:That's cool, but it doesn't look as "scary or bad ass" as the SPAS 12 though. Unfortunately, no, I do not own a one (god I wish I did, I'm too poor), :( but don't count me out. :| Sorry, I just know a lot of stuff about the SPAS 12. My sources are reliable and non-biased. I still think you just got a bad SPAS 12 though. Fussing at me about the liking the SPAS 12, is like fussing at someone for liking the Browning HP or the Colt 1911 80s series instead of the Beretta 92FS or the HK USP45 (The former is technically better than the latter).
::I own two Franchi SPAS-12s and have handled SIX. Fussing at you because you like the gun? No. Fussing at you because you're arguing like you know what you're talking about. Yes. It is amazing that you have such a strong opinion of a firearm you don't own and possibly have never even touched or fired. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 06:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Wit one moment... "Military" and "Civilian" Versions? I thought the reason for the "Special Purpose" vs "Sporting Purpose" terminology was because Franchi changed it to be more press-friendly. As far as I knew, they were the same damn gun. Also, anon editor; 9 pounds doesn't look like much on paper, but you compared it to a much larger weapon. Go ahead, pick up a SPAS-12 and try not to feel revolted by the weight. I can also assume that you've never tried operating the "controls" on one. It's like Franchi would rather you never be able to even pump the damn thing. (sorry, MPM08, I don't ''own'' one either, but I did get the... "privilege"... to try one out).--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 15:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

::- I've read plenty of stuff about the SPAS, and from what I gather, the overall quality and practicality of the gun is questionable at best. I've read several things and notes, some good and some bad, and 'seems questionable' is the overall opinion I make. I won't ever have a valid personal opinion of my own until I try one out for myself - and until then, I will speak with no certainty of any kind about the SPAS. I will say that the others have a point about the weight though - 9 lbs is actually quite heavy for a shoulder-arm, especially for one you might have to lug around for a while. Nonetheless, nobody's trying to discount you because you like them. I think it does look cool and awesome, and like it to that extent myself. But I think the same way about a number of guns, some of which are no better than the SPAS in terms of practical use. Good aesthetics is nice but it doesn't automatically equal a great firearm. Like you, I'd still like to handle one, if only to see for myself whether or not it is that bad. In the end, I will give MPM's word some considerable weight, as the man has handled more firearms than I can even count (and indeed owns about that many). To Franchi's credit, I will give them a bit of a break for trying to be somewhat innovative. Even if it didn't work all that well in the case of the SPAS, it helped pave the way for the Benelli M3 and probably helped some other concepts as well that do work. But overall, in a practical sense, the weapon is not the most desirable from what I've read. Again, that's my own view though. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 18:23, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks StanTheMan my head was about to explode. :) I am diffidently giving MPM's word some considerable weight. Frankly, I don't give a damn about weight. A fully kited M16A4 or other like assault rifles weighs 10 pounds or even more, a milled receiver AK-47 type III weighs over 10 pounds, and a Thompson Sub Machine Gun weighs almost 14 pounds! I don't even know how much an AA12 weighs, 10 to 16 pounds. revolted by the weight, please. And I can't sign because I don't have an account, and I don't know if I want one anymore, because every gun page I go on everybody hates every gun, the 92FS, 1911, G36, MP5, Tommy Gun etc. God the SPAS 12 isn't like the L85A1 or something.

Look, the SPAS is an awful weapon. the Irish Army Rangers figured that out pretty quick and booted it in favor of the Benelli M3T. the Striker and protecta are meant for lightning assault and ambushes. USAS is a very well made shotgun. the High Standards Model 10A is a very innovative shotgun. the Saiga 12K is the BEST shotgun in my mind, Semi Auto, Magazine Fed, Reliable and light. it is much better than the SPAS. i can think of nearly 15+ shotguns that would beet the SPAS in nearly any category. and by the way Badassness is not a real category-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:I thought people gave up SPAS 12 because it was "big and heavy" not because it was unreliable. Kinda like the Navy SEALs gave up the Mark. 23 because it was "big and heavy".

no, the SPAS was dumped because the IAR decided it was unreliable and not worth the price. then the adopted by the M3t. BTW you right about the MK23 but that was a reliable pistol. plus the P226, the MK23 replacement held more ammo. which was good for Log Range Recon patrols.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:That sucks, the SOCOM only holds three less rounds and it's a very controllable and accurate .45

I agree. A very good .45 is the HK45-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
:Not good as the MK23 though. :(

Well, at least I have the Benelli M1014/M4 to fall back on. :P -(The guy who liked The SPAS 12 and fussed about it but doesn't own one. :P) Edit: I just found out that the later model SPAS 12s in nearly new condition are very reliable with almost all types of shotgun ammunition in semi-auto and are much easier to pump, look here [http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=c61939ed37126617a3e1a46d5f017e89&t=60729/ link] idk, what do you think. :)

I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any. No the MK23 isn't worth the price, neither is the USP or the HK45. If you want on my page is a link that sums up what I think of HK that is truthful.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:What are you talking about! The MK23 is a great handgun, it's just kinda big and heavy. The USP may not be as accurate as the 92FS or the P220/P226 but it's a excellent and high quality handgun. What's your problem? Are you the same guy who hates the Beretta 92FS?
::No, the Mk23 is a terrible handgun. It may be accurate and reliable, but there are ''dozens'' of other weapons that are just as reliable and accurate without being an awkward, oversized, poorly balanced foot-long piece of metal that costs $2,000. And how does him hating the MK.23 have anything to do with the 92F?--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:56, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

The guns that I hate are the ones that don't work and the newer HK guns. I'm pretty biased against them because of their overpriced guns and them crapping on the civilians. I think the 92 is a wonderful handgun. If you decide to make an account, answer this, how is the USP series worth the higher price? What makes it high quality?--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

==Just protected this page==
Don't like completely ANONYMOUS IP addresses arguing with folks. Once you get to a certain point of talking with (and more importantly arguing with IMFDB members) you had better make an account so that you have a contribution history. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised that this whole site isn't locked so that only people with accounts can post. That would weed alot of the idiots out.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

::''I really hate these people that speak of experiance when they don't have any.''

::With all due respect, Mr. Five-Two-Seven, the fact that you've read Larry Correia's "HK. Because you suck." blog post doesn't make you any more "experienced" than most of the people on here (I posted that article for discussion on IMFDB's forum almost two years ago). You aren't even old enough to purchase long guns, let alone pistols. You really might want to stop running around and touting your own expertise; since you claim you hate other people who do it, it's hard not to think of you as a hypocrite. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I know it's a gun site but, FOOL(FIVETWOSEVEN) YOU JUST GOT OWNED IN THE FACE!-[[User:SargeOverkill]]
Besides HK is an awesome firearms manufacturer.

Just because a manufacturer makes good products doesn't mean they can't be overhyped. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

I guess thats true. anytime whether combat or just collecting you always diversify, don't just stick with your favorite brand. either way HK is preeeetty high up there on my list.-[[User:SargeOverkill]]

==Butt hook==
What is it for, exactly? [[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 14:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ok here's my thoughts on everything. The butt hook was designed for 1 handed shooting (crazy right) for use while handlking a prisoner or shooting out of a moving vehicle (damned crazy italien designers). In practical use the butt hook, much like thae rest of the SPAS is awkward and poorley excecuted. Which is why you never see the hook used much, if at all in movies. I think the one handed use was primarily for police use with rioat or bean bag rounds but it never really worked. I find the SPAS itself to be the ideal hollywood gun, as, lets be honest, it does look cool. But its too big and clunky, the pump is too heavy and the semi jams up all kinds of bad. I dont own one but i have (tried) to use one, and found the semi action stovepipes all too often (much like in Jurassic park infact). As for the pistol rant, I do love the Mk23 and would take it over the USP as the accuraccy on the 23 is unbelievable (and frankly out weighs the size issue), but if im going for a .45 ill go 1911 all the way.--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 17:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-12-07T02:39:30Z

Captain Snikt:

Talk:Heckler & Koch G36

2010-11-16T22:15:50Z

Captain Snikt: /* Just wondering */

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:Mod._G36-1-.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler & Koch G36K with the stock removed and two magazines clipped together - 5.56x45mm as used in the film ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]''.]]

==Question==

Just a Question about the SL8, it seems silly, but is it integrally suppressed?
:[[User:Revolver|Revolver]], not at all silly question, but no. None of the SL8s have integral silencers. They have heavy barrels but I have never seen one outfitted to take a silencer either. The three SL8 Variants you see on the page are my personal guns, so I am just working from that. ;) There may be variations somewhere that I don't know about, but I can assure you that such a modification is a custom aftermarket modification. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 09:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

:As far as I know, the only Heckler & Koch weapon that comes with a silencer from the factory is the [[Heckler & Koch MP5#Heckler & Koch MP5SD|Heckler & Koch MP5SD]] submachine gun. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 08:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if this counts as integrally suppressed, but on HKPRO.COM, there is something advertised as the SL9-SD.
http://www.hkpro.com/sl9sd.htm
Kinda reminds me of the suppressed sniper rifle in Far Cry: Instincts.
hkpro.com is also a good site for pics/info pertaining to hk products, btw.
:Cool! It looks neat. It's an SL8 with a threaded barrel for their suppressor. Other than the addition of a PSG-01 style trigger, I don't see much of a difference, except they did not subdue the "bright red" HK logos on the stocks. I may have to convert one of my SL8 rifles to that configuration. ;) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 07:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Could a G36 take the role of a Designated Marksman Rifle, if the Designated Marksman lost it rifle. in a story im writing for fun a former Designated Marksman use a G36 as his main rifle, and carys is Mark 14 Mod 0 Enhanced Battle Rifle for sharpshooting. I was wounding if it was a good chose REX095

Probably. Any semi-automatic weapon that can take an optic can be a DMR, as long as it has greater accuracy than a standard model; I'd probably have him use a Springfield M1A Match instead of the G36, because it's basically a civilian model of the M14 with around the same inherent accuracy. It's semi-auto only, but a DMR isn't exactly going to use a full-auto weapon either, so it works out.

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:Why would one take an M1A and a Mark 14 into battle at the same time? That makes no sense because doing so wouldn't provide any kind of advantage as you'd have two weapons that are of the same basic classification. What Rex095 is asking is if a G36 (his character's primary ''defensive'' weapon) can take over the role of DMR if his EBR (his marksman rifle, which itself is selectable between semi-automatic and full automatic) goes down. Rex, as the guy above me said, any semi-auto rifle can perform in a limited DMR role, but accuracy is likely going to be sub-par compared to a dedicated DMR. If your character has the resources, equip his G36 with a heavier barrel (e.g., an MG36 barrel) which will give better accuracy than a standard G36 barrel in case the EBR goes down and it's needed to fulfill the DMR role. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

==G36C==
:Why is this gun in just about every new action movie and video game that feature large amounts of gunplay? I'm getting tired of seeing this gun and wonder why there are barely any other of the G36 series in movies and video games-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 00:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

:Why is it I hear lots of "I'm tired of (insert fairly new weapon here) when no one ever says "I'm tired of seeing those M4s. Theyre in every new action movie and video game and I'm sick of it" when that last statement is actually true? S&W, I don't know about you, but I don't see the G36C as much as many many other kinds of weapons. Personally I'm getting very sick of seeing overly-upgraded M4 or M16 rifles and all the Beretta 92-like guns going around out there. I think seeing more of the G36 family would be a refreshing change. Any other gun that deserves more attention would be nice. Where are all the Mk. 46s and the REC-7s? I've only seen those in R6V2 and if you ask me were misrepresented terribly. And am I the only one upset over losing the G36 in MW2? I was hoping for the full size version.

I like seeing more gun variety in movies and games, so as long as it makes some sense (i.e., not stuff like random street thugs in Predator 2 pulling out Steyr AUGs). Contrary to what some naive or misinformed souls may believe, Colt is not "teh ownly gun manufacturer wurth showing" on screen or in games, and not everyone uses a M16 or an M4 or an AK-47. The G36 is a perfectly good gun to round out the arsenal on screen or in games.

By the same token:

-The FN P90 is not the only PDW/Armour-piercing SMG worth showing on screen or in games--the MP7 and SR-3 Vikhr or the OTs-14 Groza are both perfectly suitable for the same role.

-M60s and M249 SAWs are not the only light machine guns that are effective or useful--PKMs, MG36s, QBB-95s, or even older ones like the MG42 are perfectly viable and useful.

The firearms industry has always been fiercely competitive and people from different factions often use different weapons in real life. More gun variety in games usually means more possible playstyles available and less of a chance that someone will get bored looking at the same gun all the time. For instance, despite the ejection ports being in the wrong places and the reliability factors largely in favour of Warsaw pact weapons vs. NATO weapons, STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl's gun selection was good for both the variety and the various playstyles it encouraged.

Hopefully movie armourers and game developers will put in more reasonable gun variety in those two media forms. Even in real life I highly doubt any one firearms company will end up establishing an unbreakable monopoly, forcing gun monotony on us all. [[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 02:24, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

--
GOD, I hated Infinity Ward for taking the G36C out of MW2, as I am a HUGE G36 fan. But to your point, [[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]]: Weapons like the Remington ACR, HK G36, IMI Tavor, HK MP7, FNH F2000... Newer, more modern weapons like these don't see NEARLY enough movie use.

The way I see it, when it comes down to it, you have these as perhaps the 10 most cliched weapons in the media (not in any particular order):

1: M16/M4 Assault Rifle series

2: Beretta 92FS

3: Franchi SPAS-12

4: HK MP5A3

5: FNH P90 PDW

6: FNH M249 S.A.W.

7: Glock Safe-Action Pistols (Any model, but the 18 is the most cliched, no doubt about it)

8: Desert Eagle (Models VII and XIX)

9: Steyr AUG A1

10: Saco Defense M60

With the exception of the Desert Eagle (Gotta love it), we've seen and re-seen these guns WAY too much if you ask me, but no one ever complains about it. WTF is up with that?
On the other end of the spectrum, you have some firearms that need to see more use (also not in any particular order):

1: HK G36 Assault Rifle series

2: Remington ACR

3: FNH F2000

4: IMI Tavor

5: HK MP7A1

6: Steyr AUG A3

7: M14 (Both the Original and the Mk. 14 EBR as well)

8: Saiga 20K (PGO)

9: TDI Vector

10: FNH M249 S.P.W.

Sorry if this got a bit long, but I just wanted to put it out there.
--[[User:GamerfreakB7|GamerfreakB7]]--Destroying the world, one hippie at a time. 04:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

We don't see a lot of the "newer" guns like the ACR, TDI Vector or the ACR because I don't think any armorer has them yet. A Canadian armorer that did Resident Evil Apocalypse had a couple Tavors, 24 showed the MP7s and F2000. It's just that you have to look at the armorers. They can't have every single gun in their collection. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 05:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

The weird thing about the Beretta 92 is that no one ever seems to have a Beretta 90-two, in the newer games/films.

Also, I've never seen a Steyr M9/A1 in ANY film. Even in Fringe, they just used the Five-seveN as a futuristic stand-in; the world is supposed to be like ours, except different. The Steyr looks superficially like the Glock, but it has pretty out-there sights and is pretty different externally when you look at it up close.

And about the Saiga, I don't think I've seen a Saiga sporter (the original model from which the Saiga-20K is derived) in any film either.

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I totally agree, when they next make a game about US soldiers in combat, they should give them all G36s, ACRs, Vektors, HK45s, and PSG1s even though they don't use them in the real world simply because the "old guns" are cliched *rolls eyes*. But, seriously, I ''am'' all for variety, but that variety needs to be sensible. LAPD SWAT or US Army SF suddenly appearing with Tavors or XM8s wouldn't make a lick of sense. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 05:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

== Reliability? ==

Is the G36 reliable when put through mud, water,and dirt(ex Ak-47, HK416)? or does it face similar problems the M16 family faces?

The H&K 416 is basically a G36 operating system in an AR-15. So yeah, it is reliable in those conditions. The XM8 rifle was just a revamped G36, and it topped the 416's reliability by more than 200 rounds.

Thank you for responding, also does this apply to other assualt rifles of this era too?

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I don't know about the fifty-plus other assault rifles (I only really know about the main ones and some irregular ones like the Vektor CR-21), but the newer H&K models are mostly based on the G36. It's the same relationship as the G3 on contemporary models (PSG1, etc), you know?

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== Just wondering ==

Does the G36C see any action at all in either american or british special forces?
---P226 21:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

im not quite shure about the american special forces but yes it is actualy used by britsh speical forces not as heavaly as shown is movies and vidio games but is still a comon weapon in there arsenal --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 23:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

:I have never heard of either American or British SF carrying G36 variants. Both use AR-series rifles. It's possible they may have purchased some G36s, but that's irrelevant, because those guys purchase a little of everything. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 00:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Well maybe this is a better question... Does the G36C model have any use in the special forces comunity at all?, and does it have any conventional military use?---P226 21:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

::I don't think anyone on here is going to be able to tell you anything more accurate than what can be found on Wikipedia. It's not like any of us are in SF units. Assuming the Wikipedia article is accurate, the G36C seems to be used almost entirely by law enforcement at present. Whereas the M4 is pretty much the weapon-of-choice for every SF unit that is in good standing with the U.S. I would highly doubt that the G36C would be used by regular infantry, given that its barrel is too short for the engagement distances that infantry expect to face. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

S019 the standard british armed police response units and british airport security both have access to and utilise G36c's, thought these UK models are restiriced to semi automatic only. In most cases in airports when Ive seen a pair of officers one wiull be carrying an Mp5 with a 15 round mag and the other a G36 with a full 30 round mag. So there you have it --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 11:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

:Mr. P226 specifically asked about ''military special forces'' (American and British). SO19 (now CO19) are not military SF. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

well i know the G36c is the standerd weapon on german special forces like GSG-9,Kommando Spezialkräfte and Fernspählehrkompanie 200 but like MT2008 said know one really knows --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

:Last I heard (on the HKPRO message board), the KSK traded in its G36s for HK416s a few years ago. I remember there was a picture of them training for deployment to Afghanistan while using 416s with 14.5" barrels that were all painted in desert camo. They allegedly wanted to buy M4s, but the Bundeswehr doesn't let them buy anything that isn't German-made. Also, it's still irrelevant because (as I told Captain Snikt) P226 asked about '''American''' and '''British''' special forces. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 21:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Heckler & Koch G36

2010-11-16T22:15:18Z

Captain Snikt: /* Just wondering */

Talk:Heckler & Koch G36

2010-11-16T11:00:54Z

Captain Snikt: /* Just wondering */

Talk:Desert Eagle

2010-11-13T02:59:58Z

Captain Snikt:

==Additional Variants==
[[Image:MP2customEagle.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Desert Eagle XIX gold/stainless controls with ivory grips - .50AE]]
[[Image:BDSIIDeagle-1.jpg|thumb|none|450px|A Desert Eagle Mark XIX (.357 Magnum) as used in ''[[The Boondock Saints II: All Saints Day]]''. The weapon pictured here is one of the actual screen-used guns from the film; note the custom barrel weight. ''(Big thanks to [[Al Vrkljan]] at Movie Armaments Group for this IMFDB Exclusive image!)'']]
[[Image:KWCDesert.jpg|thumb|none|450px|This is the modified Desert Eagle airsoft pistol made by KWC used on the set of ''[[Mission: Impossible III]]''. Pictures supplied by Propstore.com.]]

:As you can see, I have replaced ManiacallyChallenged's Photoshopped Desert Eagle with what I believe to have been the exact same Desert Eagle that inspired the texture artists and 3D modelers who worked on ''Max Payne 2''. This one belongs to Rick Washburn's Weapons Specialists, Ltd. in New York and was originally used in ''[[The Sopranos]]''. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

==Re-organization==

Alright, I just did a major revamp on this page. There are still quite a few movies and TV shows where I wasn't able to tell what Eagle model appears, and I didn't even ''try'' with the video games yet. Anyone want to help out some more? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:03, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

==Question==

I have a quick question. Does the DE fire .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum rounds originally made for revolvers or automatic rimmless .357 DE and .44 DE rounds? - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

:It fires actual rimmed ammo, one reason it tends to be unreliable. Currently nobody produces rimless, too bad as I always thought semiauto carbines in rimless magnums would be effective.
[[User:k9870|k9870]]

::You can buy special .44 Magnum ammo for the Desert Eagle. I went with my father to buy ammo once and we just grabbed a box of .44's for our Ruger and they ended up being for the Desert Eagle. They worked just as well as normal rounds though-S&Wshooter

Next to 'Call of Duty 4' in the listing of games this gun appears in, someone left this comment: 

:''Apparently, [[Call of Duty 4]] is the source of gaming popularity of the gun and the word "Deagle"'' 

No, that would be Counter-Strike. Call of Duty 4 was only released in 2007, and both the gun and the nickname "Deagle" have been popular in the mainstream gaming world for much longer than that. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 11:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if that's true because It is called a "Deagle" in Hitman 2 and that came out quite a few years ago(around 2000)

Would any of the ammunition that the desert Eagle piercing body armor?
:It would depend on what ammunition and what level of body armor is in question. Level 1 armor is only designed to stop rounds up to .380 ACP, level 2A up to .40S&W, level 2 up to .357 Magnum, and level 3A up to .44 Magnum. Any level Higher than that is intended to stop rifle rounds and would most likely stop all Desert Eagle rounds. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

[[User:Pump Shotty Justice|Pump Shotty Justice]]-That's interesting.

could the .50 AE round stop a car engine? Rex095
:There are alot of variables to consider there. What component of the engine was hit? from what distance did it hit? what part of the car did the round have to penetrate to reach the engine? Its hard to say definitively, that may be a better a question for the Mythbusters. -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Not to mention the load/ bullet type being used. As a general rule I'd say no. The only 2 common pistol rounds I know of that have a chance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W and the .500 S&W. But even those would require FMJ or penetrator-core ammo. BUT even if the round penetrates the block (lets use that as an example), it would take longer than you have been lead to believe in movies. For a vehicle to be stopped by a bullet like in a movie you would have to use something like .50 BMG and/ or destroy many critical components in one shot. As an example I had a friend who owned a Geo Metro, the block was cracked and we removed 2 pistons to see if it would still run, it ran; not for long but we estimated it at about 5 miles.
-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]]
==Action==
I feel dumb for asking this but is the Desert Eagle single action? -[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]
:Yes it is. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 22:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Uh No, its Double Action
:It's single action not sure why it was listed on the page as double/single. (I changed the page, also not sure why it listed as a gas operated trigger either I have no idea what that means) The hammer must be down in order to fire. The Mark VII and XIX have an adjustable trigger but that don't make it double action capable. If you think I'm talking out my ass, that's my Desert Eagle below. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 06:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:MagResDE.357MarkI.jpg|thumb|none|390px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum. First model of Desert Eagle put into production.]]

Hell, im not a expert in guns... but a a gas operated trigger means that the trigger uses gas (like a assault rifle) to actually fire the the bullet, so in a way, you shouldn't changed it [[Random internet user]]

:You are wrong. Assault rifles do not have a 'gas operated trigger'. They are gas-operated, but their trigger system is basically the same as recoil operated guns. Gas operation means that the weapon uses gas, from the exploded gunpowder, to move the mechanism, eject the spent casing, where a spring, or springs, take over and move the action forward, loading a new round. The gas is bled a way from the barrel, either through a tube going directly into the bolt carrier ('Direct Impingement') or into a chamber/tube where it pushes back on a piston ('Gas Piston'), which moves the action. All firearms uses the gunpowder gas to propel the bullet. So yes, you are definitely no expert on guns. [[User:Ramell|Ramell]] 23:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

whoever you are you need to further explain this concept of a gas operated trigger... Are we talking pneumatically operated or something? Are we talking to reset the trigger? to fire the bullet? to force the slide back? What are we talking about here? As far as I know the DE is gas operated only to push the slide back at which point springs take care of everything else.

-[[User:Ranger01|Ranger01]]

== to clear the confusion... ==

the desert eagle is single action. when a magazine is inserted in the pistol, one has to rack the slide back to chamber a round, thus cocking the hammer in the rearward position and putting the pistol in a ready to fire mode. if it was double action, then every time you squeeze the trigger, regardless if loaded or not, the hammer would be in motion going back and then forward striking the firing pin when the trigger breaks.

and it is gas operated. there is a piston that is located under the barrel wich is pushed rearward by propellant gases through holes in the barrel along with the slide wich then ejects and reloads another round, and also cocks the hammer and ready's itself for another shot. thats why FMJ ammo is not reccomended due to the gas piston MAY get itself soldered to the slide or the frame of the pistol in wich it resides, not that it will, but its possible to happen.

depending on wich configuration your getting in this firearm, there is no "special" ammo for it except the .50AE. the .50 action express was basically designed for this pistol. It was developed in 1988 by Evan Whildin of Action Arms. all others will shoot any .357 mag or .44 mag. i baby mine so i use jhp's. dont get them confused with the .357 sig or the .44 special.

The only commercial handgun cartridges designed that exceed its ballistic performance are the .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum and the .500 S&W Magnum.

as far as stopping a moving vehicle, that depends on where its making contact. i know if i was shooting mine at a vehicle, id just shoot the driver or the gas tank, but most handguns probably wont stop a vehicle in reality anways, and one who tries will most likely end up being roadkill.

ill think of more when i get some more time. hope this helps with some of the confusion.

Do any terrorists in real life use this handgun??

- It's certainly a possibility. Though I imagine it'd be pretty uncommon. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe some well off terrorists. You can probably get half a dozen Makarovs for the price of one DE. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 16:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

== Magnums: Desert Eagle vs. Revolver ==

I have a character in a Sci-fi story where he often encounters large, ferocious, and very tough cat-like creatures and he carry's a magnum handgun as a secondary sidearm for the them. What would be best, A .44 Magnum Desert Eagle or a .44 Magnum Revolver? He can handle ether of them well, so that's not a factor.

:Protip: In 9 out of 10 cases of amateur/fan fiction, Desert Eagle = Gary Stu --[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 00:19, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
::Changing the gun doesn't change the character. Getting rid of a symptom doesn't cure the disease. --[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 05:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

::A revolver is more reliable and practical compared to the Desert Eagle in most instances.
:::- Revolver. Ditto above - The Desert Eagle, for all it's cool-kickass looks, isn't exactly known for it's solid reliability from what I gather. Only main advantage it does have over the revolver is two extra ready rounds, and frankly, if whatever he's shooting at isn't taken care of with six .44s, the extra two more-than-likely won't help all that much. Plus, well, if it's a sci-fi story and he's carrying a (presently) contemporary firearm in the first place, why not go all out and use the wheelgun? I think it would 'show a certain sense of style', myself. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:40, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::::::: It also so up to you as the writer, as a which ones do you like?, and what ones dose the character like. the Character could be if he is old fashion and like using a Revolver,or nearly been killed by one when his gun jammed he might carry a Revolver. a Revolver would also make it ease to load and shoot exploding rounds and other "special bullets" (if he use any). you could have the flip side that carry's a Desert Eagle because he was nearly killed because his Revolver took too long to reload. if he uses a Revolver is he could also have a small .357 Snubnosed revolver in a ankle holster as a last ditch weapon. I would also assume that the Character use Rifle(Battle Rifle, Assault rifle,or hunting) or shot gun as well because attacking Large hard to kill Creature with just a Revolver doesn't seem like the best idea in the world. Rex095
::::::::Thanks all, I'm staying as realistic as I can with this, and I know A LOT about guns. ;) I'll go with the 44 Revolver because I'd rather have reliability than 1 (with .50 AE) to 2 extra rounds and slightly faster reloading. This sci-fi story takes place in the far future but I'm avoiding the cliche' of just made up weapons. I can't see most modern weapon designs today being improved upon too much. Ironically, I think revolvers will be around much longer then the Desert Eagle. ;) Oh and his primary sidearm is a 12 round .45 which is an improved version of the H&K HK45, his rifle of choice is an G36-based, 7.62 NATO, 32 round, bull-pup assault rifle.

::::::::: wouldn't his rifle be G3-Based? an explanation on why were still using bullets is that if there on another world so is easier to make on a newly colonized worlds. Because Laser and Rail guns are more complicated to make and requires more maintenance.REX095
::::::::::No, I did mean G36-based. It uses the same internal system and it's external appearance is similar but more streamlined and bull-puped. It just uses the more powerful 7.62 NATO and it's constructed of stainless-steel and ultra-tough plastic.

This is just an opinion, but I think the real cliche' would be having barely explained laser or plasma or whatever guns. [[User:BeardedHoplite|BeardedHoplite]] 17:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
:I agree, :) atleast when I designed my Blaster handgun (meant for another story) I did my best to explain how it works and it's designed like a conventional handgun, it looks kinda like a cross between a HK USP and a Glock, and it's neither fragile or hard to maintain. :) Do you want me to explain how my Blaster works? if not, I really want to wrap this comment section up. This is the Desert Eagle discussion page, not my Sci-fi Story discussion page. ;D

I kinda wanna know how the blaster works. But id go wheel gun all the way, in an apocalypse magazines are hard to find and sand gets eveywhere. --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:59, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-12T16:59:30Z

Captain Snikt: /* Beretta 92FS */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
__TOC__ 

=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==M1911A1==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series. The weapon is taken, then used by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Beretta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"==
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glen for his own protection.
[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson 3193 "Ladysmith" - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==
Rick takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the overpainted OD green color.
[[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-11-12T16:59:03Z

Captain Snikt: /* Beretta 92FS */

[[Image:WalkingDead.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''The Walking Dead'' (2010)]]
''The Walking Dead'' is a television series airing on AMC that chronicles the actions of County Sheriff's Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) as he leads a band of survivors after a pandemic has turned the population into zombies. The series was adapted for television by Frank Darabont (''[[The Shawshank Redemption]]'') from the Image comic book series.
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=Handguns=
==Colt Python==
Deputy Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) carries a six-inch barreled [[Colt Python]] .357 Magnum revolver as his duty sidearm in the series. Of note is that when Grimes fires the gun in a very tight, enclosed space (in this case, inside a tank), it actually severely disorients him and hurts his hearing, unlike most movies or shows that have people firing guns indoors or in other enclosed spaces without being phased.

[[Image:Python6in.jpg|thumb|400px|none|[[Colt Python]] with 6" Barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Walkingdead11.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Rick Grimes([[Andrew Lincoln]])aims his [[Colt Python]] sidearm at a threat.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonFront.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Deputy Grimes wields his Colt Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPythonAltAngle.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Grimes aims his Python.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPython.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Grimes wields his Python as the other deputies wield [[Glock 17]]s]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-ColtPyhonFence.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Glock 17==
A [[Glock 17]] was one of the sidearms of the police in the first episode. One of the deputies was told by Grimes to have a round chambered and also (incorrectly) to make sure the safety was off.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|350px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Glock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A deputy aims his Glock 17.]]

==SIG-Sauer P228==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the first episode uses what appears to be a two-tone [[SIG-Sauer P228]].
[[Image:Two_Tone_Sig_Sauer_P228.jpg|thumb|none|350px|SIG-Sauer P228 with Two Tone finish - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-SIG.P228-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P228 at police.]]

==M1911A1==
One of the suspects from the police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[M1911_pistol_series#M1911A1|M1911A1]].
[[Image:M1911Colt.jpg|thumb|none|350px|M1911A1 - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The thug fires at Rick and the other officer with his M1911A1.]]

==Browning Hi-Power==
Merle Dixon ([[Michael Rooker]]) uses a silver chrome [[Browning Hi-Power]] pistol in the series. The weapon is taken, then used by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:SilverchromeHP.JPG|thumb|none|400px|FN Browning Hi-Power silver chrome with adjustable sights - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningHiPower.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) holds the Hi-Power to Dixon's ([[Michael Rooker]]) head.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) takes a [[Beretta 92FS]] (standing in for a U.S. Military-issue M9) from a dead soldier inside a tank, identifying it as a Bertetta with 15 rounds. He fires it until dry then stores it in Glen's Backpack.

[[Image:BerettaM92FS.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Beretta 92FS - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Rick-Beretta-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"==
Andrea ([[Laurie Holden]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson 3913#Smith & Wesson 3913 "Ladysmith"|Smith & Wesson 3913]] in the second episode. She later hands the pistol to Glen for his own protection.
[[Image:S&W Model 3913.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson 3193 "Ladysmith" - 9x19mm]]

==Unidentified Snub-Nose Revolver==

A stainless snub-nose revolver of unknown make/model is used by Morgan in the pilot episode. It has a 5-shot cylinder but is not of the S&W J-frame series. Most likely choices at present are a Taurus revolver (a stainless [[Taurus Model 85]] or [[Taurus Model 617|Model 617]]) or possibly even a [[Ruger SP101]]. More in the [[Talk:Walking Dead (TV Series), The|Discussion]] page.
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:Walking.Dead-Morgan-Revolver-2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Shotguns=

==Mossberg 500==
Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) can be seen using a 12 Gauge [[Mossberg 500]] in the series.
[[Image:50577.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 500 with high-capacity magazine tube - 12 gauge]]

==Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser==
One of the suspects that emerge from the wrecked car following a police chase at the beginning of the pilot episode uses a [[Mossberg_500_series_shotgun#Mossberg_590_Cruiser_.2F_590_Compact_Cruiser|Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser]] with door-breaching muzzle-brake.
[[Image:Mossberg590CompactCruiserBreach.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 "Compact Cruiser" with door breaching brake - 12 Gauge]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Mossberg590.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect fires a Mossberg 590 Compact Cruiser. Note door-breaching muzzle brake.]]

==Mossberg 590==
A full-size [[Mossberg 590]] is the primary weapon of Shane, Rick's partner. It is fitted with an extended magazine tube, heat-shield, collapsible M4/CAR-15 style stock and pistol grip.
[[Image:Mossberg 590.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Mossberg 590 with extended magazine tube and heat shield - 12 gauge. The Military version has a subdued matte finish, either matte blued or parkerized. Version in show has an M4 style stock.]]
[[Image:The_walking_dead_amc_cast_photo_01.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Shane with the Mossberg 590 in a promotional image.‎]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Shane aims the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Side.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Opposite angle of the Mossberg.]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem870Stock.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|The Mossberg 590 lays on the ground as Shane checks Grimes.]]

==Remington 870 Wingmaster==
A [[Remington 870]] Wingmaster shotgun is briefly seen.
[[Image:WalkingDead SemiautoShotgun.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

==Remington 11-87==
[[Image:WalkingDead-Rem1187.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=

==Unknown Scoped Bolt-Action==
A currently unidentified bolt-action rifle with a scope is seen in a promotional image with a character named Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]).
[[Image:Walkingd6cards1072110.jpg|thumb|none|400px| The character Dale ([[Jeffrey DeMunn]]) poses with his rifle in a promotional image, note the good trigger discipline.]]

==Remington 700 BDL==
A scoped [[Remington Model 700|Remington 700 BDL]] is given to Morgan by Rick Grimes.
[[Image:Remington_700_BDL.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Remington 700 BDL rifle with no iron sights and scope - .308 Winchester (7.62x51mm)]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-Remington700.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Machine Guns=

==Browning M2HB==
A [[Browning M2HB]] is seen mounted atop the Abrams MBT (Possibly a mocked-up British Chieftain MBT) that Grimes takes refuge in. M2HBs are also seen on Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and on a IAV Stryker.
[[Image:BrowningM2.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Browning M2HB on vehicle mount - .50 BMG]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:WalkingDead-BrowningM2HB 02.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

= Other Weapons =

==M67 Hand Grenade (M69 Training version)==
Rick takes an [[M67 hand grenade|M69 Hand Grenade]] (The inert training version of the live M67 grenade) from a tank and stores it in his pocket. It can be noted as an M69 not only by the inherent likelihood of it being so but also because it is seen in some shots with a bit of the blue paint showing through the overpainted OD green color.
[[Image:M67.jpg‎|thumb|none|200px|M69 training grenade - an inert version of the M67 High-Explosive Fragmentation hand grenade. The real live version has a more brownish color and has painted factory markings on the body.]]

== Crossbow ==
A Crossbow used by Daryl Dixon ([[Norman Reedus]]).

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[[Category:Horror]]
[[Category:Post Apocalyptic]]
[[Category:Frank Darabont]]