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Talk:I Am Legend

2011-02-19T01:25:58Z

Burgershot621: /* Similarity to The Omega Man */

== More info on the "Law Enforcement Carbine" ==

Propstore of London also has this picture of the M4gery he carries:

[[Image:Legend M4 Firearm 1 9.jpg|thumb|400px|none]]

You can clearly see it says "Law Enforcement Carbine" on the receiver. I went to Colt's web site, looked up this model, found http://www.colt.com/law/lecarbine.asp, and voila!

:What make of rail system is that? The page notes it as a KAC, but from the picture above, it doesn't look like it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

The entry in the Law Crabine says "according to the Propstore of London, the weapon was modified to fire automatic for the film." but i could swear to god Will Smith always fired the carbine Semi-automaticly, neither that or semi-auto sound was dubbed in --[[User:Yocapo32|Yocapo32]] 15:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

== Finished ==

Just got done revamping the page, and I apologize for the long delay. How does it look?--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 03:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Looks good. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

Thanks, the unknown rifle could possibly be a bullpup shotgun of some type, but I'm also thinking it could be one of the [[Calico Series of Rifles and Pistols|Calico rifle]]s.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 05:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going by the forward hand grip, which looks similar to a Mossberg 590 bullpup.
[[Image:Mossberg-Bullpup-Model500.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 590 Bullpup with 20" barrel and extended tube - 12 gauge]][[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198

== Neville's ACOG ==
Wasn't the TA31F model designed and calibrated specifically for the M16A4 rifle? Or am I incorrect? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC) Spartan198
:It can be used on M4-systems as well. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Yeah, I found that out a couple weeks after I made this inquiry, while I was trying to identify the model of ACOG on the game case for Ghost Recon: Island Thunder. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 10:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:The AR-15 carbine I fired on my 30th birthday was equipped with a TA31F-model ACOG scope, and it was pretty accurate. So far as I know, most ACOG models are designed to be compatible with all variants of the AR-15 & M16-series rifles and carbines, though Trijicon also manufactures ACOG models calibrated for other calibers, such as 7.62x51mm NATO. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

==Similarity to ''The Omega Man''==

I just noticed that this film has several similarities to the 1971 [[Charlton Heston]] film ''[[Omega Man, The|The Omega Man]]'', particularly the overall plot (a lone survivor trying to survive in a world overrun with zombie-esque monsters), and the name of the main protagonist. I wonder if this was intentional or just coincidental? [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 23:45, 12 May 2010 (UT

It's intentional actually. I Am Legend is a novel written by Richard Matheson, and there is quite a few films based on it including this movie, The Omega Man, The Last Man on Earth, and I Am Omega.--[[User:Alienqueen11|Alienqueen11]] 00:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

In the credits of ''I Am Legend'' it says the story is based on the screenplay of ''[[The Omega Man]]''.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:56, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

So, just food for thought. I don't think this can really be called a "zombie film." when you think about it, the antagonists are more mutants than they are zombies...they don't appear to eat human flesh, are more sentient than your average zombie, and don't shuffle around like old people heading to Wendy's at 330 in the afternoon for dinner.--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 01:25, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:The Walking Dead (TV Series)

2010-12-14T05:09:37Z

Burgershot621: /* Short Season Huh? */

==OTHER==
That's Norman Reedus with the crossbow. He plays Daryl Dixon, who was not in the actual comic that I can recall. I like that though, he's a cool actor. I'm also a little bummed that they didn't use the guns drawn in the comics. Rick uses a HK mk.23. For those of you who might think that it's impossible to tell that from the comic the artist wrote HK MK.23 on the barrel. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I read some where that the Walker are attracted to loud noises. that might be why he is carrying a crossbow

It is smart to use a crossbow; because it saves on bullets and in most all undead literature and movies the undead always react and swarm when they hear a gunshot. Very good show, have never read the comic but look forward to.-GoshMr.Peabody

It's pretty amazing. I recommend buying the trade paperbacks. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

==Whoa==
I loved the comic, when the hell did it get a tv show?

The idea was revealed a while ago. It comes out on Halloween. -SasquatchJim

honestly , its like two hours till the show ,i cant wait. simmons 8492

Well it kept my interest. I'll watch it again next week to see if it can maintain the momentum.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

honestly it took some time to realy get things going , but now hes in a populated zone with other survivers . and if i was him id start that tank up! simmons 8492

I coulda sworn the 50 on that tank was still loaded with ammo and in the next scene, it had no ammo [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:30, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Just watched it again. The .50 on the tank doesn't appear to be loaded, but there's another one in a sandbag fort that is, in the foreground as he goes by. -IGemini 04:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

iv watched it from the start and i have to say its great simmons 8492

== Crappy dialogue ==

In the trailer, one of the cops told the other to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off. First off, the man he was talking to, had a Glock, so no safety. And since he's a trained cop, ready to open fire on a suspect that's hostile, why wouldn't he have a round in the chamber and his gun ready to go? That line just threw me off [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 22:58, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, just watched it. Its brilliant, easily as good as the comic. The 'crappy dialogue above does jar a little tho. Hes telling him to make sure he had a round in the chamber and that his safety is off as it is implied the officer in question is a bit useless, however after doing a brass check the officer in question then presses down on the slide release (even tho the slide is forward) as if to pretend it is the saftey catch. Morgan has a 5 shot snub revolver (which someone else will have to identify as im not too good with em). Rick pull a 92fs (standing in for an m9) from a dead soldiers shoulder holster at the end of the episode, and i'm fairly sure the SIG is a tutone P228 or 229 not a P239 --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 00:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The funny thing about the thing with the safety is that you can hear the sound of a safety being click off.--[[User:Mattattack07|Mattattack07]] 04:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Remember that the dialogue was written long before it was decided the cop would be holding a Glock(unless the writer is Michael Mann). So maybe the round in the chamber thing may have been unwarranted, but maybe he was a rookie, he did seem sort of skittish. Regardless, it's unfair to call ''that'' crappy dialogue. I think you're letting your knowledge of guns get in the way of enjoying good stories.--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 04:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont know if its worth noting, but the cop he tells that too, is actually, the first zombie he ends up shooting, after leaving the police station. Rick commented he was careless and dumb, so reminding him, makes sense.

And, of course, Rick committed a cardinal sin; he referred to a magazine as a clip :P -SasquatchJim

I'm not surprised, Sasqatch. The cop I talked to called his Glock 17 a "Glock 9". I'm sure he would have said clip to. Not all cops are into guns. Haha

==SIG P239==

[[Image:WalkingDead-SIGP239.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|A chase suspect emerges from the wrecked car firing a two-tone SIG P239 at police.]]

This doesn't look like a P239 to me; more like a P226 or P228. It's too big, and it has nickel controls (which the two-tone P239s don't have). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:P228 because of the slide length. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 01:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Remember, on low resolution screencaps like the ones I had to use, feel free to correct the Gun IDs. :) [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]]
::: Watching the scene I agree that it is somewhat larger. Sounds fine to me - I'll change it. The first episode was pretty good. I'm adding a Beretta 92FS (M9) entry - Grimes indeed takes one off a 'dead' soldier inside the Abrams tank he gets into, as noted by the above section. Also, I never did get a good glance at the snub revolver, though I'm fairly certain it's a S&W. They're replaying the show so I'll keep an eye for it, and some of the other guns. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 02:21, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

==Spoiler Comment and Morgan's Revolver==
Its nice to see the page updated but arn't some of the descriptions (mainly the colt python) a bit spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched it yet? --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:: Whoa, yes they are, I sure as hell didn't add those. :b I'll reword them somewhat. Also! The revolver Morgan uses is a Snub S&W Model 66, I can almost guarantee it. Bah, wish I could get screencaps. Still, I'll add that as well. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 04:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure its a 66? I remember it having a 5 round cylinder --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I grabbed this off my skyplus box so sorry bout the quality [IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/2i700fm.jpg[/IMG] Any use, its definatly a 5 shot--[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 04:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: I could have ''sworn'' it was a S&W. But it's definitely not a Model 66, since there's no rear adj. sights, nor of course a 6-shot cylinder. But Smith snubbie J-frames (5-shot) all have flat 'bull-nose' ejector rod shrouds, not curved. Bah, now I'm kinda stumped. My best guess at this point would probably be a [[Ruger SP101]]. Convert that image there to JPG and upload it on the site. It's not great, but it's better than nothing. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Looks like it could also be either the [[Taurus Model 617]] or possibly a stainless steel [[Taurus Model 85]]. Biu it is difficult.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

From the barrel it looks like an early Taurus Model 85 in stainless or nickel plated. It was a five shot cylinder definitely.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

: After posting I did consider it being a Taurus, many of them are awfully S&W looking to begin with. I doubt it's a 617 but it easily could be an 85. Hell, could be anything for all I know at this point. I guess it'll just be another 'unidentified' until we get more/better screencaps. I'll modify the S&W 66 entry I posted and just call it un-ID'd snub revolver, noting the 5-shot capacity and stating the possible choices. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 17:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I am almost certain it is actually a Ruger SP101, two inch model. No other snubbie, as far as I know, has the upper rear of the frame shaped into a rear sight notch like the SP101, as both of those Taurus models just lack rear sights - you can check the Taurus website as both models lack a "rear sight" category under specifications. Also, if you check out the behind the scenes vid [http://www.amctv.com/originals/The-Walking-Dead/?bclid=625294007001&bcpid=111717822001&bctid=628200502001 here], there is a pretty decent side shot of the revolver. The general shape is very close to a SP101, and even from the front, the lines on Morgan's triggerguard and barrel are cut much closer semi-melted look on the SP than the very sharp ones on a Taurus oR S&W.

All said, the easiest way to tell would be if they showed the damned cylinder release at some point. --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 07:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC) (Corrected typo --[[User:John 234|John 234]] 02:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC))

: It's not an SP101. The recoil shield shown is a simple traditional shape, not the bulkier contours Rugers have in that part of the frame. Also, the ejector rod shroud is cut back more sharply from the muzzle, and the revolver in the show seems to lack the small hole on the front of the frame for the front crane lock. [[User:Rule .303|Rule .303]] 14:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Judging by the screens uploaded I'd say definately not a 617, 617 is a 7-shot, also can't see a ported barrel. Still think it's a Taurus though. [[User:ZombieKiller|ZombieKiller]] 09:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

If you watch the Making of the Walking dead Season 1 it shows the side of the revolver.. Looks exactly like the Ruger SP101 from Breaking Bad. I'm guessing its the same prop. (Just like I think the RV is. )

== What kind of tank was that? ==

Its oviously a stand-in for an M-1 but I'm not sure what it is. I'm thinking possibly a Chieftain, but I'm not sure. Also, note that a real M-1 woulnd't have worked for the scene since it lacks the floor escape hatch.

-AC.

At this point I'm not sure, but I do suspect it's the same tank that shows up in ''[[Zombieland]]''. Both shows are filmed in Georgia and the voice-over commentary on ''Zombieland'' states that the tank is owned by a private collector.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 16:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Definately a Chieftain.

: I concur, Chieftains are often used (mocked-up) as stand-ins for Abrams tanks. I also noticed the bottom escape hatch, which as far as I can recall, indeed isn't on an actual Abrams. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 23:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

''Other comments posted on main page-''

(Perhaps it is just me, but the Abrams featured in this appears to be a mocked up British Chieftain Tank, I didn't get a good look at the tank but it didn't seem to be a genuine Abrams, although it could simply be an older pattern M1 without the TUSK upgrade, reactive armor and the more apparent loaders hatch. Yet that would not explain the escape hatch.- Doc345)

Older M1s didn't look that diffrent, from the later ones, aside from the most recent upgardes.

Also, the angle of the frontal turret armor is wrong to be an M1.

I think this may be the same tank which appeared in, among other series, Jericho. The vehicle, if I remember correctly, is built on an old Centurion chasis to resemble an Abrams with some obvious differences. --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 00:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

On a random note, where was a Striker seen in the episode? It says on the page that there was one with a fifty cal on it, but aside from the tank, the only other military vehicles I saw where some HMMWVs, what looked like a deuce, and a half, and some abandone Hueys.

Intrestingly, in the trailor, the one Rick first sees after leaving the hospital lacked a rotor blade making me think it was edited in post-production. Also, the one off to Ricks left appears to still be lacking one.

-AC

at the begging seen when the main cerictor walkes out of the hospital he sees a ebandoned military equpent you can see a Stryker IFV --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 21:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
heres a picture
[[Image:The walking dead.png]]

I can say without a doubt that the 'M1' ''is'' a Chieftain, not a Centurion. The long sloping frontal 'nose' armour, the front idler wheel and the lockers/storage bins are features of the Chieftain, not the Centurion. Not too sure about the 'escape hatch' though. I wonder if this is the same 'M1' that appears in the 2010 remake of Red Dawn? It looks the same to me. [[User:Spanner|Spanner]]

== Things I noticed ==

Did anybody else notice that when Morgan cocked the hammer back on his gun and threatened to shoot Grimes if he didn't talk, the cylinder didn't advance to the next chamber like it should?

And what about Grimes' personal arsenal in his backpack? Is it safe to assume that rubber/resin mockups? He was getting bounced pretty hard by that horse and the guns kept bumping him in the back. That's at least 40 pounds of gear to be carrying around.

More than safe to assume that. Most of them even appeared to have solid barrels. Probably rubber.--[[Special:Contributions/99.48.50.70|99.48.50.70]] 04:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

The cylinder did rotate, I remembered that happening when I watched the scene. As far as the bag -o- guns, I have no idea. If they were all rubber, they were modeled after some hard to find shotgun configurations and looked very real. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 20:59, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

According to Grimes in episode 3 his duffle bag was holding six shotguns, two "high powered" rifles, a dozen handguns, and 700 rounds of assorted ammo. That's easily 80-90 pounds of gear. There's no way Grimes could be carrying that around in one hand with a gas can in the other. Or getting bucked and having the bag sag to the side and the stuff not come falling out.

Did anybody else notice that Dale seemed to switch between carrying a rifle with a sling, to carrying one without a sling between scenes?

== I rewatched the first episode. ==

Two of the Sheriffs deputys from the neighboring county had shotguns. One looked like and 870 Remington. The other looked like a Mossberg.

The gun used to shoot Rick, I'm pretty sure was either 1911, or a Glock. It seemed to have an extended slide.

-AC

:: I noticed the shotguns too but it was hard to get a decent look at them, mainly the second one (Mossberg I guess). I will concur at least one of the other shotguns was indeed a standard 870. No idea what the pistol is/was. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 16:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Almost positive the other two deputys, from the neighboring county had Glocks, like the other deputys from Ricks department.

You can see one of the shotguns fairly well, after Rick gots shot, one of the two deputys joins Shane in trying to help Rick. Like Shane, he drops his gun, and it can be seen fairly well.

Looking at the pick on here, I'm more positive than ever that the last gunmans weapon was a 1911.
Good eye on my part, since it was litreally visible for like less than a second.-AC.

==Andrea's gun==
I believe Andrea is packing a Smith and Wesson 3913 Ladysmith [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:I concur. -[[User:The_Winchester|Winn]]

Here's a good picture. http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-2-rick-andrea.php
[[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:: I also agree about it being a 3913 Ladysmith. We also saw a M67 'baseball' grenade in this latest episode (actually the training version, you could still spot some blue paint on it). [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 05:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of rifle did Meryl have? ==

Looked like possibly a Model 70, but I'm bad at identifing bolt actions.
-AC

Seriously, does anyone know what kind of rifle he had?-AC

Compare the bolt heads (or whatever the end of the bolt closest to the butt is called); the Remington 700 seems to have more of a protruding portion, while the Mod. 70 is tucked in and more square-like.

At least, that's what it seems like. There used to be a generic page for comparing Bolt-Action Rifles, like the shotguns have now. Where did that page go?

Here it is.

[[Bolt Action Rifles - Most common Sporting Models|Scoped Bolt Action Hunting Rifles]]. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

==Shane's Pistol==
Can anyone identify the pistol Shane is carrying? It looks like either a Glock or possibly a Sig Pro. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Probally a Gock. There very common cop guns, in both hollywood, and real life. Also, severael of the cops, at opening shootout had them, so evedently the prophouse they went to had some.
-AC

Definitely a Glock. Although it's only shown briefly, it looks like a 17. He carries it in a thumb break holster.

Picture of him holding it: http://blogs.amctv.com/photo-galleries/the-walking-dead-season-1-episode-photos/episode-4-carl-lori-shane-morales.php

After looking at the screenshot on the main page, can anyone identify the holster?

In the finale you can see its a Glock 19. Not 17. (Also the firing M4s looked like they had blank firing adapters as flashiders)

==Merle==

It's Merle not Maryl or Marle

==Guts==
I really like how Rick actually checks the dead soldier's vest for more ammo instead of just taking the weapon like every other film. I also like how when his Beretta runs dry he doesn't toss it away like some generic action hero but he keeps it and stows it in Glenn's backpack. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 02:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that was good stuff. Have yet to see the Beretta again though. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

:Did you also notice that his [[Colt Python]] is still in his hoslter even though he ran out of ammo for it? I liked that touch as well. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:29, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

You never know what you might find ammo for at a latter date.-AC
::Which he does in the third episode. Anyway Python's are too expensive to be tossing away on a whim. Even after the Zombie Apocalypse has happened. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 17:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

If I recall right they've been outta production since the late 90s.

::The last Python was manufactured approximately six years ago. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 18:30, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Still outta production than. If I recall right, for a while it was outta generael production, but could be special ordered.

Yes the last five or six years it had to be ordered through the custom shop.--[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 01:54, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Python, and The Anaconda, where the best revolvers Colt made since the SAA imho-AC

IMO, the Official Police and Detective Special should be included as well. -SasquatchJim

Too bad that still fully loaded .50 next to the tank is too heavy to take back [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If he can walk and ride a horse with a 90lb bag on his back like its nothing, he could carry a M2.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 01:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And he brought buddies with him to GET that bag he left behind. They can lug around an M2 with ammo. Sure it doesn't look like there's any extra, but it's an M2 with AMMO! [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 03:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But honestly, what would be the purpose, in this story? I mean, they're already getting guns and ammo, and it's not like you need a lot of penetration to kill a zombie, so they don't really need a .50 caliber machinegun. All it would really do was kill a couple of zombies while making a shitload of noise, attracting every zombie in a mile radius. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 05:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

: I bet one would've come in handy on top of the camper during the attack on the camp. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 04:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Possibly (I posted that before I saw that episode, sorry.), though I doubt any of them have any training or even any practice with military grade machine guns, and so I'm betting that during the chaos of the attack, they would have killed more of their own people. [[User:Acora|Acora]] 02:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::: Woulda been kinda hard to use that thing in the dark, too, since the only source of light is that campfire. Scoring headshots on zombies without friendly fire in a situation like that? No way even TV-land can pull THAT one off.

Talking about scavenging guns, even when they were rushing back to the vehicles in front of the CDC wouldn't it have been a good idea to at least grab a couple of the discarded weapons lying around out front?

==Vatos==
Ok, tonight I think I've seen a S&W model 10, a Colt Detective Special, and possibly a S&W mosel 28 in the hands of the mexican gangsters and it looks like T-Dog was using a BAR. The bag had some Sigs and Glocks and Daryl had a Remington 870 and I think that Rick is using a Mossberg 590 not a 500. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Just so everyone knows, I didn't edit the page tonight, I just wrote on here. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

Daryl took at least one Sig from the bag. T-Dog used a Mossberg later, but I think his scoped rifle was a BAR. The shotty Glenn ended up with, looked the same as Daryl's. Also, Shane drew his pistol at one point, but it was hard to see.-AC
==Daryl's Crossbow==
Daryl Dixon's crossbow is a Horton Scout HD 125: http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2817217&cid=CSE:GoogleProductSearch. In the fourth episode "Vatos", when Daryl points it a T-dog on the roof you can see the faded Horton logo on the front. Scout 125 can be seen above the trigger after the camera angle changes.

::Picture added and changes made. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

== Was that an XD? ==

The handgun, that Daryl takes from the bag of guns. At first I thought it was a SIG, but after rewatching it, I think it may have been a Springfield Army XD.
-AC

Nope, definitely a bi-tone Sig of some kind.

Yeah, the XDs don't have all that stuff on the side of the gun and the slide is actually more Glock like than the more rounder Sig slides [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 17:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Walkingdeadsig.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Rick Grimes ([[Andrew Lincoln]]) inspects a bi-tone Sig Sauer handgun from his bag of guns.]]

- ZeoRanger5 17:20, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that looks like a SIG-sauer P226 or P228. simmons 8492

I agree with simmons 8492, i'd say p228 myself.

How did you think that was an XD?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 14:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure. When I stuck it in his waistband, it looked like a combination between a Sig, and a Glock. As far as handguns go, I'd say the XD is closest to that description. Course I was rather sleep deprived at the time.-AC

i also think that in episode 5 shane pulls what looks to be a sig when the sister is coming back to life . im not sure because i know shane has a glock but this isnt in the holster , its carried mexican style and is only seen for seconds. can some one verify ?[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Rick also pulls a gun carried similarily in that scene. Ricks looked like a Glock.

but shanes looks more like a sig or something .[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

Some ones gotta move that pic into the 228 spot.[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Faking recoil==

Its a littlle overdone but nice to see it (a HP in 9mm doesnt kick as much as shown, but its better than most shows, and handling is pretty good or tv.

may be because he hasent realy fired a 9mm in a while he wasnt use to it or because hes used to the revovler

That makes no sense, .357 Magnum (I'm guessing thats what is loaded) has alot more kick, if he can handle a .357 than he could easily handle a 9mm.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 23:02, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

and im sure that a python has more kick than that highpower . and being that he killed a hand full of zombies with that in the first episode it wont matter .-[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

:Just a FYI, its Hi Power, not High Power.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 03:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Since most people don't know the distinction between a Hi-Power and a Colt M1911, and the show is known to have certain..flaws when it comes to reality, they could have just been assuming that it was a .45, and Hollywood logic states that if it's larger than 9mm, it makes your wrist fly up and sends bad guys flying.

Or it was just because they wanted Rick to seem cool with a stainless steel firearm (like his Colt Python, which he points at other survivors so often, it could be a drinking game).

But being seriously, this is the same show where Glocks have external, slide-mounted safeties in the US and headshots can be made off-hand with a sidearm at 50 meters while running.

AUA/

:I haven't been able to watch the series only the first episode (no cable) but... The Python is a heavy revolver and could be loaded with .38 Specials. Also with the Hi-Power being a semi-auto and able to shoot more rapidly. Would have more perceived recoil. Seeing guys on YouTube handle .45s with very little recoil, it's shotguns and full auto rifles where movies get recoil wrong. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 02:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

==DShK heavy machine gun?==

I believe there was an abandoned DShK heavy machine gun flanked by sandbags when they headed towards the CDC building by the looks of the muzzle. (This was the best episode so far, I think.) - Angel_956

Most likely a mocked up M2 but I definatly saw that distinct muzzle brake.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 18:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I added a cap but you cannot really tell one way or another if it is a mock up or not. Either way...it makes no sense for it to be there in the first place!!! --[[User:Charon68|Charon68]] 23:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was thinking. Why would an outdated Soviet Union machine gun even be in the show, but it might be cleared up in the next episode. I clearly remember the guy in the CDC building saying something about some French soilders, I think. If so it might of meant that there was an international response to the zombie outbreak, trying to control it, explaining the DShK. [[User:Angel_956|Angel_956]]

:Now your just over-analyzing, it's in all likeliness what they used because it's what was available to use when they were shooting the scene. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 05:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Weird though, since they oviously had M2s available for filming.-AC

:Not necessarily. Armorers can change during filming and weapons may not be available even though they were previously. Also remember that only the first episode had the M2 so the armorer could have changed since then. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 22:43, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

== Daryl's knife ==

In the third episode, when Daryl is told about his brother, he attacks Rick with some sort of hunting or combat knife. He's later seen with it in a sheath on his left thigh, and you get a fairly close (But very brief) look at it when they're walking through the building at the beginning of the forth episode. Anyone have any clue what it is? I mean, from the brief glimpse I got of it in the forth episode, it looked like it was possibly a TOPS Steel Eagle 107C, the same kind of knife that the character Royce had sheathed in Predators, but I'm not sure. Can anyone confirm, or give an alternative? [[User:Acora|Acora]] 07:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

== What kind of gun did he give Morales? ==

He said it was a .357, but I have no idea what it was.-AC

/AUA

He held it in his hand for a profile shot; maybe you should try screencapping it at that point and going from there. There should be an ID for it though, unlike Morgan's snubnose.

AUA/

I lack the equipment needed to screencap.-AC

/AUA

Use IrfanView (freeware) or the PrtScn button on your computer (press it on the frame you want to capture, and then paste it into Paint to crop it).

AUA/

I think it's a Smith and Wesson 586 [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

== Rick's second shotgun.==

After Rick gives the 590 (it wasn't a 500, someone should change that) to Guillermo, he uses one with an 18 inch barrel, a blued type finish and wood furniture. I think some people commented on it being a Mossberg, but it has a rounded bolt like a Remington 870. However, it's not an 870 since the trigger guard isn't round enough, the magazine tube is longer than the standard 4 shot tube, and it doesn't have an extension attached, and the wood furniture has a single rib on the side for gripping. After doing some research, my best guess is that it's an earlier H&R Pardner Pump, possibly in some sort of police configuration. I know it's neither a Mossberg or a Remington, though.

It's indeed an H&R Pardner Pump. The humpback receiver is unmistakable. [Ballistics_Expert2]

/AUA

I'd PrtScn/screencap the shotgun in question before making any comparisons. We still haven't definitively IDed Dale's bolt-action, so maybe you should get one of that as well.

AUA/

We still have Merles bolt-action as well.
-AC

This cap from the page will suffice:

[[Image:WD870ep05.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Rick with his Remigton, when he and Shane patrol the woods (Episode 5).]]

And a link to a Pardner Pump configured similarly:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/TRguy/Guns/NEFPardnerPumpYouth8-12-10.jpg

A few things distinguishing the shotgun in the picture as a Pardner Pump as opposed to an 870, 500 series, or whatever:

-Some type of thin rib on the top of the barrel.
-The foregrip has the distinctive groove in it as seen on the Pardner Pump.
-The agnle that the receiver curves at the butt end is a sharper angle rather than a bend type (you can tell by the shadow).
-The magazine tube is longer than a 4 shot, but it's not screwed on like other models, nor does the endcap and barrel link resemble that of other models.

Some other things that you can't notice in the picture, like the flatter trigger guard or a good shot of the angled receiver, are seen in the series very easily, namely in Episode 5 during Rick and Shane's patrol, when this cap takes place, and one instance in Episode 6 where the doctor is drawing blood and the gun is sitting behind Rick as he waits. This good enough? --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 10:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

::I think you're right, it's not a Remington, Mossberg, or a Winchester. It looks like a Pardner, more like the Pardner pump compact, due to the shorter barrell. --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] 23:43, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

-Rick's first shotgun was a 500 with the extended tube. It didn't have the bayonet lug, just check some of the promo pics on imbd.com - [[User:MarkXIX|MarkXIX]]

Ah, so it is, I could have sworn I saw the 590s tube cap on it. I can notice a buncha stuff on an H&R, but I get that wrong, lol. --[[User:Yournamehere|Yournamehere]] 17:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Think its funny==

Rick misses several close range shots (so do long gun toting officers) in the beginning against chase suspects, then later in series hes nailing headshots left and right....

Noticed that too, although zombies don't shoot back. They just charge straight ahead.

/AUA

It's a screenplay-direction thing. The show is already a bit overdramatized in general, so little things like the 'clip' and 'safety' dialogue or the headshot ratio aren't really all that important to the screenwriters, at least not compared with inserting dramatic bits into it.

AUA/

When the police were shooting the chase suspects, their targets were live people. An accurate marksman or not, if you're not used to firing live rounds at live humans your subconscious may not want you to hit that kill shot. Zombies are different.

also he has had weeks of shooting live targets ie the zombies so he as probaly leared to shot them really well --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 20:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

/AUA

Unless you're superhuman, you can't learn how to make a shot that is off-hand, behind you, at a 1.5 x 1 ft target at 50 meters, while RUNNING, in a few weeks. Few people would be able to make that shot, period. The gate-zombie shots were just...unfeasible.

AUA/

==Question about Shane's shotgun technique==
Just a question for those who may know, is it considered proper technique to hold the gun that high on the shoulder, with his cheek resting on the receiver? I figuered it was an adjustmant made due to the M4-style stock, as Rick and other survivors wielding unmodified weapons don't do this.

: I noticed that too, I figured it was just the actor's preference (possibly due to inexperience) but I guess it could be because of the M4 stock. I dunno. [[User:That's One Angry Duck|That's One Angry Duck]] 01:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

:It's standard practice in the US military. They teach you to ride the stock high so that your sights are level with your eyes. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 13:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats with the M16/M4, not a shotgun.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 20:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

:the stock on the shotgun is a Knoxx Industries SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock

::My dad has one on his 870.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 22:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

-i noticed that . i dont think that stock has a single thing to do with it . it probably prefrances [[user:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]

==Series Finale==

I noticed a nickel finished pistol tucked into Daryl's waistband mexican style early on in the episode, looked like a SIG.
I'm thinking that Daryl's pistol was probably the same Hi-Power Rick took off merle in episode 2.

Does any one else think the grenade description is a bit of a spoiler as it is a deus ex machina. I suggest only saying it is used in episode 6 and not how. I know this has absoloutely nothing to do with firearms but i loved the ax decapitation amidst the headshots at the end --[[User:Captain Snikt|Captain Snikt]] 02:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:The grenade wasn't a deus ex machina, but a textbook example of Chekhov's gun. He found it in the first episode even. It would have been a deus ex machina if they found it there.(I expected him to actually bring it out against the guys in the city in episode 3, myself)--[[User:Mr-Jigsaw|Mr-Jigsaw]] 08:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi, New guy here. When Jenner allows the the others to enter the facility at the start of the episode, he's seen holding an M4, and he mentions that "There're a lot of these lying around. I familiarized myself." And yet, none of the others ever even think of finding a couple of the guns for themselves. Shame, considering a couple of those and a few mags would've come in pretty handy outside (especially if there was a suppressor to be found) Anyone else bugged by this?

They've been sitting outside for like a month. The M4 is a fine, gun, but you need to clean it regularly.-AC

I was definitely bugged by this fact. Supposedly a lot of M4s and 30 round magazines lying around, and Jenner's the only guy who has one. But then again the supply of ammo might've been low, considering everything that'd happened. [[Ballistics_Expert2]]

first off all there are no M4A1`s seen inside all out side wicth iswere he probily got it second they were only out side for a few momints ehter runing away from the bulding or trying to get in before they are over welbed with zombies tird as he said ammo is preety rare as you can see when they are out side there are hunderdes of dead zombies witch had to be killed by something --[[User:Armyguy277|Armyguy277]] 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== To Do List. ==

1. Shotguns used by deputies in opening shootout.
2. Morgans revolver.
3. Merles rifle.
4. The guns, Rick, and Shane pull after Amy turns.
5. The gun given to Morales.
6. Daryls handgun.
7. Whether Shanes Glock is a 17 or 19.
8. Whether Ricks first shotty was a 500 or a 590.
9. Ricks second shotty.

I miss anything?-AC

==Short Season Huh?==

At least season 2 will be twice as long, whenever they get around to making it.....

At least there will be a seaon two, I thought this was a miniseries at first and was very dissapointed that it was over so soon. [[Special:Contributions/67.187.27.89|67.187.27.89]] 01:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It's definately already in production. Normally when a series gets picked up production on the second season gets rolling ASAP. This became a pretty popular show, show I'm guessing AMC got the ball rolling right away when they realized they had demand for the show. Anyone here read the graphic novel series? I want to try and get into it but want to know if it's worth the time and money--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 05:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Justified

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Burgershot621: /* Glock 21 */

So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
:He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys this is a realy good show and i would like to give it a proper paig so if any one could help me prefablery before season 2 that be great . if interested drop me a line on the talk page on my user page . --[[User:simmons 8492|simmons 8492]]
==Miami gun==
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas?
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Here is the pic converted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG [["Non Guns"]]:

:::[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer Non Gun]]

:::-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:::''Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.''

:::Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

well first , at the end of "fire in the hole" , at the end he says " a SIG P two twenty six" simmons 8492

==The Promo Gun==
I'm not sure if this related to the topic above but, on the Promo shot for the show, show on the original page on this site, the Sig that he is aiming has quite a large bore aperture. Considering this penchant for larger caliber Automatics, I think it could possibly be a Sig p220 in .45 ACP. Thoughts anyone?--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 17:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

==End of first episode==
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619

He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia

But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.

He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Givens shot Boyd centermass, so it's understood from the dialogue of the other characters that Givens missed the heart on purpose out of some sense of loyalty to Boyd. And if you would pay close enough attention to the dialogue and not just the action, many of these simple questions are answered.

==Glock==
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? [[Spades of Columbia]]

In S1.Ep.10 Raylen tells the judge the he carries a .45 Glock. Wouldn't that make it a 21?
:Just because that's what he says in the show doesn't make it so. The muzzle is what most use to determine what type of Glock, if there isn't a good view of the slide. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but he's saying its a .45 Glock. Now, it could be a G21 or a G37 if it's chambered in .45 GAP -burgershot621

Yeah...because it would be completely normal for a Southern Marshal to carry a .45gap, it would be a ACP if anything. [[Spades Of Columbia]]

In the episode, Raylen states he is carrying a .45 caliber glock. If it were a .45 GAP, he would say GAP. The .45 GAP is farely new, so it is understood that the character is carrying a .45 ACP, seeing as how the majority of the viewers may not be gun hounds like ourselves.-Mr. Peapobdy

Someone has now added the Glock 31 to the page. I'm starting to thing Glock sponsored this show just to advertize their product line.

Alot of the glocks on this page are speculative. For example just because a character on the show verbally says he's using a 45 doesnt mean he is using a real life Glock 21, he might say 45 but is filmed with a glock 17 or 19. Also just because it looks like a .357 sig cartridge doesnt mean its a Model 31 or 32, it might mean that he is using a model 22 with a necked and crimped blank round. They can also use the same gun in multiply seens with diffrent people...for all we know right now they can be passing the same Glock 17 and 26 to all the characters and call them diffrent calibers. [[Spades of Columbia]]

==Kentucky==
: As a former resident of Kentucky, I find Raylin's remarks about having to go back to KY hilarious. It is clearly obvious that he doesn't want to be there, and if you've ever had to live there you'll know exactly why-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think everyone feels that way about one's home state. Besides, there're bad places almost everywhere. Ever been to the backwoods of Florida? It's just like this show.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 04:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't see why he complains so much. I've lived in Kentucky my whole life. I love this place.

==Bulletville==
: Though you'll only see it for a glimpse, it seems as though Ava is using a USPc near the end of the episode, in the cabin. Perhaps Raylan switched his BUG, or just a pick up. Just an added note. [[GWHYSOW]]

I'm not sure where the USP came from, I think Raylan disarmed Bo's thug of it.
Other Weapons were the Revolver & Sniper Rifle used by Boyd. Two other badguys used AK rifles.

I believe the USP came from Bo's guy that was watching Ava in the cabin, then Boyd came through the back door and killed him at which point i believe Ava got the dead man's weapon. [[Spades of Columbia]]

you're right, the USP came from one of Bo's thugs. raylan finishes the fight with his back-up -burgershot621
==Moved from main page==
I hate seeing discussions on the main page do here. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
===Glock 26===
[[Image:Glock 26.jpg‎ |thumb|none|300px|Glock 26 subcompact Pistol - 9x19mm]]
The Glock 26 is a subcompact pistol chambered for 9x19mm.

In episode 2 Marshal Givens is asked to drop both his gun and his backup. If his primary gun is a Glock 17 or 19 it would make sense that his backup is a Glock 26. Then you have mag and ammo compatibility.

-He states that his primary is a .45 Glock. No .45 Glock is this small so it stands to reason that this would be a 9mm because of Armor safety issues. There's no need for it to be a .357. However, from the size, it could easily be a Glock 33 in .357 sig or a Glock 27 in .40 S&W.

(Regarding statement above about there not being a .45 glock in that size) If you don't know anything about glocks, which you obviously don't, keep your statements off the internet. The glock 30 is a compact .45 glock. In the episode "the hammer" he states he has a .45 glock, which means he has...a .45 glock!! Pay closer attention and think before you type on a website that gun-nut cops (such as myself) visit on a daily basis.

If you seriously think that that SUB COMPACT weapon shown below is a Glock 30, then you've never held one. As a Glock 30 is a smaller COMPACT weapon. My personal belief that this is very likely the Glock 39 in .45 GAP, it's size difference being almost negligable when compared to the glock Glock 26. This show obviously seems to be marketing for glock and it stands to reason that his full size weapon is a Glock 37, also in .45 GAP. So keep your big man mouth to yourself mr "cop."--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that we can all agree that this anon "cop" is just some random kid who's parents don't love him enough.. also, my uncle carries a Glock 37, and off duty he carries a Glock 39.. both are chambered in .45 GAP. Oh, and really quick, "gun-nut cop," if you really were a cop you would know not to tell everyone on the internet, and you would have learned how to control your temper. -PunisherDave

You can clearly see it is not the Glock 30, if you've ever held one. The frame size alone is far too small, Glock 30 holds 10 .45 ACP, the 39 only 6 in GAP. My first statement was that no weapon is ".45 Glock is this small" and while it isn't true, I had considered the Glock 30 a outright saw that this weapon is too small. I also wouldn't carry a Glock 30 in an ankle holster, I believe that's where he kept it.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 00:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to correct myself, I don't think this is a Glock 39, I'm pretty sure that the Glock 39 comes with the newer Slide release, the weapon pictured doesn't.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 02:32, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:justified_glock26.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Marshal Givens is asked to drop his backup gun in Episode 2. Looks like a Glock 26. It has the mag boot on it.]]

Could be a 36. Course I'm bad at identifing Glocks. They should show the slide at some point in every show/movie that has Glocks in it, to make the lives of us gun nuts easier. Also, he kept it in the small of his back.-AC

===Glock 21===
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|300px| ]]

-Possibly a Short Frame model.

Very possibly a Glock 37 in .45 GAP.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 15:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I love how when I suggest that he might be carrying a glock in .45 GAP it's shot down, but the theory has resurfaced numerious times after and now it seems like a credible option for a U.S. Marshall to be carrying one. --burgershot621

I can't think of a Reason why it couldn't be one. He specifically states its a .45 and glock would want to market it over the 21, surely.--[[User:Jackie.45Cal|Jackie.45Cal]] 18:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

For the love of God its a tv show...just because a character says he is shooting a .45 does not mean that the shows armour handed the actor a .45 to act with. Number one, where and why would a movie/tv armour buy all but dead calibered hand guns like the 45GAP...and two why would a small town law enforcement agent carrie a hard to get ammoed firearm like the 45gap.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 19:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Then by your comment, why do we discuss anything at all on this website? Everything on here is just a movie, t.v. show, or video game. Number one, .45GAP is anything but dead, and U.S. Marshals aren't small town law enforcement. It's a federal law enforcment agency that is part of the executive branch. Doesn't sound small time to me, and sounds like it could stand to reason that it would use a specialized caliber such as .45 GAP. - Burgershot621

Kinda hard to call it a dead caliber when the entire the Georgia State Patrol carry Glock's in 45GAP.[[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 19:08, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

In the commercial world Yes the 45GAP is dead in the water...Glock themselves are unloading them in hope of getting rid of them at a lower fee, I can buy any model of 45Gap for atleast 20% less then any other model of glock ...because there is NO public demand. Yes, a couple state patrols got bamboozled into issueing them...but do you really think a movie armorer will go out of their way to special order a 45GAP for a TV show and then get specialized blanks for the 45gap..or do you think it is more logical to give the actors another model of glock and just put in the script that it is a 45.--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 20:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

dunno, there's been some speculation as to the plethora of glocks shown in this show, such as maybe a product placement deal? who knows. i mean, the last time i looked at the actual page it was listed that raylen used a glock in .357 Sig. Why would he switch from a 9mm, to a .357, to a .45ACP? Just something to think about and no one said that the .45 was definately .45 GAP. its just speculation and is not beyond the realm of possibility...

goodwin's law.

In the commercial world? If you are going by the commercial world then the round would have to be no longer produced by any manufacturer to be dead. Federal, Magtech, Remington, Winchester, and Speer are major producers of ammunition and they still see fit to produce the .45 GAP. If major suppliers of ammunition are still producing a round, then it can't be considered dead in the water. As for .45 GAP Glock's being cheaper, its called supply and demand. The .45 GAP was forgotten by a lot of writers when Springfield Armory made their XD in .45 ACP. The same could be said about the .357 Sig. Except for Law Enforcement Agencies, not a lot of people carry or own a .357 Sig. Where I am, pistols chambered in the .357 Sig are somewhat cheaper than .40S&W, .45ACP or 9mm. They is not a great demand so suppliers are focusing more on popular models. I have cousins and know a lot of Georgia State Patrolmen. They didn't get bamboozled into the .45 GAP. They like it. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 23:29, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as how Para Ordnance had Springfield have decided to create 1911s and XD's chambered for .45 GAP, the round is anything but dead.---[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 00:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

In my store we have 6 types of .357 sig, 5 types of 10mm, 2 types of .327 federal...Hell we even have RCM ammo in stock. But not one box of 45 GAP, not one gun chambered in .45 GAP. All my suppliers from MT to Acusport to gunarama to ellett brothers tell me they cant give the .45GAPs away because they sit on the shelf and collect dust because nobody wants them. The ammo is becoming more and more low production similiar to the .32 H&R mag and .38 short colt ammo. Springfield DID chamber the XD in 45 gap but dropped it because NOBODY was buying them...and just try to find a Springfield 1911 in a 45 gap (they talked about it in 2005 but i never saw one). If my memory serves me right i think PARA chambers in a 9x23 so if they do do a 45gap it is meaningless for the caliber and anyway they dont do it anymore. AND Finally, If someone gave me a free 45 gap and my job supplied me with all the 45gap ammo i could shot (like the Georgia State patrol) I would most likely say that i like the caliber too...but that does not mean i would go buy my own ammo and my own personal gun in that caliber. All my customers that bought the 45gap back in the day thinking it would be cool all grew to regret it and are now trying to sell them without lossing their shirt in the deal. I call it dead because it will have no more growth, production will never be higher then the previous year...I am not yet calling the 45GAP a wildcat--[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 01:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

soo back to the original point of this...it is possible that givens would have a .45 GAP glock if it was issued to him...--[[User:Burgershot621|Burgershot621]] 01:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Justified

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Burgershot621: /* Glock 21 */

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Burgershot621: /* Glock 21 */

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Burgershot621: /* Glock 21 */

Talk:The Hurt Locker

2010-12-13T02:20:12Z

Burgershot621: /* Airsoft? */

==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't understand...are you asking what airsoft guns are? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I think he's asking what airsoft is. Airsoft replicas are replicas of real world firarms that shoot plastic BBs and can be powered by CO2, springs, even electric motors. High quality airsoft replicas are often used when it is more economical to do so, since they are less expensive than actual firearms. The trained eye can spot a lot of instances of this in this movie - burgershot621

:::::They don't use airsoft guns because they're less expensive. The real guns you see in movies aren't ''bought''; they are ''rented'' (usually, on a weekly basis). Airsoft guns are used in locations where the gun laws are so restrictive that real can't be handled on-set without a licensed armorer present (i.e. Jordan, where this movie was filmed). Since airsoft guns are not real, they can be handled by the actors when the armorer isn't on-set, which saves money. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I stand corrected, they are less expensive to use on set. - Burgershot621

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

Talk:The Hurt Locker

2010-12-13T02:18:40Z

Burgershot621: /* Airsoft? */

==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't understand...are you asking what airsoft guns are? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I think he's asking what airsoft is. Airsoft replicas are replicas of real world firarms that shoot plastic BBs and can be powered by CO2, springs, even electric motors. High quality airsoft replicas are often used when it is more economical to do so, since they are less expensive than actual firearms. The trained eye can spot a lot of instances of this in this movie - burgershot621

:::::They don't use airsoft guns because they're less expensive. The real guns you see in movies aren't ''bought''; they are ''rented'' (usually, on a weekly basis). Airsoft guns are used in locations where the gun laws are so restrictive that real can't be handled on-set without a licensed armorer present (i.e. Jordan, where this movie was filmed). Since airsoft guns are not real, they can be handled by the actors when the armorer isn't on-set, which saves money. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I stand corrected, they are less expensive to use on set -[[Burgershot621]]

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

Talk:The Hurt Locker

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Burgershot621: /* Airsoft? */

==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't understand...are you asking what airsoft guns are? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I think he's asking what airsoft is. Airsoft replicas are replicas of real world firarms that shoot plastic BBs and can be powered by CO2, springs, even electric motors. High quality airsoft replicas are often used when it is more economical to do so, since they are less expensive than actual firearms. The trained eye can spot a lot of instances of this in this movie - burgershot621

:::::They don't use airsoft guns because they're less expensive. The real guns you see in movies aren't ''bought''; they are ''rented'' (usually, on a weekly basis). Airsoft guns are used in locations where the gun laws are so restrictive that real can't be handled on-set without a licensed armorer present (i.e. Jordan, where this movie was filmed). Since airsoft guns are not real, they can be handled by the actors when the armorer isn't on-set, which saves money. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:03, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::::I stand corrected, they are less expensive to use on set[[Burgershot621]]

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

User:Burgershot621

2010-12-13T02:15:12Z

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21 Years old and liscenced to ill. I shoot to thrill.

I enjoy firearms, don't currently own any but I have plans to change that once I get a steady job. Hopefully going to pick up a couple of Mosin Nagants and teach myself basic restoration and gunsmithing techniques...I watch a ton of youtube on these subjects.

'''Firearms I've shot/handled'''

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Marlin .22 (exact type unknown)

Beretta M9

M16A2

M249 SAW

H&K USP Compact (9mm)

Glock 19

Glock 23

Ruger SR9

SIG Sauer 1911 Target (nitron finish)

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2010-12-13T02:14:27Z

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21 Years old and liscenced to ill. I shoot to thrill.

I enjoy firearms, don't currently own any but I have plans to change that once I get a steady job. Hopefully going to pick up a couple of Mosin Nagants and teach myself basic restoration and gunsmithing techniques...I watch a ton of youtube on these subjects.

'''Firearms I've shot/handled'''

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Marlin .22 (exact type unknown)
Beretta M9
M16A2
M249 SAW
H&K USP Compact (9mm)
Glock 19
Glock 23
Ruger SR9
SIG Sauer 1911 Target (nitron finish)

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2010-12-13T02:08:36Z

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2010-12-13T02:03:51Z

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Talk:The Hurt Locker

2010-12-13T01:45:18Z

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==The helmet covers==
I know the military seems awesome and all, but they screw up sometimes too. They don't always issue the right shit, like the Marines in Generation Kill were issued the wrong camo for desert operations. Especially helmet covers. They are really bad on those. So it doesn't designate that hes EOD, it just shows that the Army screws up -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
:Except that the Marines in the 2003 were issued woodland camo because the USMC already were replacing the desert camo and the woodland camo with MARPAT. Hence that Iceman was wearing MARPAT and so were the officers. The Army replaced the Desert Camo and the Woodland camo in 2005 so it's unlikely that in 2007 (the year the movie takes place) there would be still camouflage needed replacing. It's most likely that the Prop Department didn't have enough UCP helmet covers. The Prop Department also screwed up by giving a lot of soldiers PASGT helmets. By 2007 the MICH TC-2000 Combat Helmet had completely replaced the PASGT helmet.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 14:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, the USMC was issued MARPAT in 2003, but per the Army, the Woodland and DCU were officially no longer regulation at the end of October 2006. Even from that time, it took months for soldiers to get gear completely replaced. A rule of thumb ever since the American Civil War and one that applies today is that it takes about a YEAR from an official change to filter down to all soldiers in a theatre of operations.[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

*The woodland cover is probably just a stylistic choice on the part of the director to make Sergeant James more distinctive from the other members of the team and to enhance his "outsider" status. As for the PASGT helmets, The Hurt Locker is an indie film that was produced on a limited budget by most action movie standards, so it is far cheaper just to outfit everyone in the background with the existing PASGT helmets rather than to purchase genuine or replica MICH helmets. [[User:Markit|Markit]]
:I agree. Makes more sense.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 01:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, I can't remember where the movie specifies when it takes place.-protoAuthor

::* Definitely right about the military screwing up, or sometimes new kit taking longer to get in service. I worked with US troops in 2007 that were still using mixed camouflage and ALICE gear. Out of a whole battalion I think like 5 guys had all the new stuff. Hell, sometimes it depends on what base you get issued your kit at. I got my tans in Winnipeg and got the old desert boots, everyone who kitted in Edmonton got the new ones. - Nyles
:Sometimes they don't even issue people the correct sidearms due to limited supplies. For example, My cousin was issued a very old M1911 when he joined the Navy (He now has a privately owned Desert Warrior)and many of the people that he was with ddn't get the M9 either-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Could be worse, we've used the Inglis Hi Power so long we don't have anything else in stores but 1050 Sig P225s we bought for MPs in the 90s. I wasn't even supposed to get one until they dug up a few more spares - I was literally last on the list to get one, the two guys in my section with names later in the alphabet didn't! Couldn't even get a shoulder holster because all the senior officers got them all.
:Alright, I found out that this movie is set in 2004. Won't UCP be a inaccuracy?--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 13:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::This movie isn't set in 2004; it's set in 2007, the same year it was filmed. I'm not sure why people think it's set in 2004. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
:::Well, rotten tomatoes seems to agree with me. [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hurt_locker/ RottenTomatoes page] .
"In the summer of 2004". Mark Boal was also in Iraq in 2004.--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 17:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Rotten Tomatoes could be wrong, too. They aren't exactly the official source. It's possible that whoever wrote the entry just assumed that because Mark Boal was in Iraq in 2004, the movie was set at the same time. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::NPR agrees with me too. [http://http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105964997].--[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 15:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

:Saw it again today. Yeah, it's set in 2004.-protoAuthor 05:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::The reviews indicate 2004, but iirc there is no explicit reference to that year in the movie, unless there was a scene that I forgot.--[[User:Markit|Markit]] 07:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

How about the beginning caption when the movie opens that says "Baghdad 2004".
:::Little off question. Why most hi-speeds ignore helmet covers? Pimpin'?

== Watermarked pic ==

Putting this picture here until I can find one that doesn't have the watermark on it.

[[Image:THL M4A1 2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|James and Sanborn open fire with their M4A1's at a pair of insurgents attempting to hold Eldridge prisoner. They manage to kill the pair, but Eldridge is hit in the femur thereafter.]] --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 23:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Rank Issue.

I believe Renner's character wore Sergeant First Class (E-7 - Three stripes up with two rockers below) chevrons. This is a rank that is one grade higher than Staff Sergeant. Also, SSGT is not an abriviation used by the US Army as SSG is used instead.
:SSGT is Marine Corps abbreviation. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 23:28, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

SSGT may be a USMC designation but this movie is about US Army Soldiers, not Marines.
:Yes, we already know that. I was pointing out that SSGT is the Marine Corps abbreviation for the rank, not that the soldiers in the movie were Marines. And sign your posts by typing four '''~''' symbols at the end of it. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 20:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

== Glock? ==

Is that a Glock 23 or 19? im so bad with glocks :(

:It's always hard to tell Glock models based on bore diameter, but IMFDB's rule of thumb is to assume that a pistol is a 9mm model unless we have inside information that the gun is another caliber, or unless there is a close-up of the slide where we can see caliber/model number markings. We do know that historically, movie armorers have tended to use 9mm pistols because this caliber is the easiest and most reliable to convert to blank-fire. So it's a safe bet that this Glock is probably a G19. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 16:37, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Think about it: If a contractor in the middle east is carrying a Glock, would it be a 19 or a 23? How easy do you think it is to find some 40sw there?

:Right, but that would be '''real life''', whereas this is a '''movie'''. Since this is a site about guns in '''movies''', what's relevant to us is what caliber pistols are most likely to be in the inventory of Hollywood's '''prop houses'''. The movie armorers who are readers/members of this very site have told us that prop houses tend to stock mostly 9mm pistols. Sometimes, I feel that trying to explain this stuff to people is like spitting into the wind. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:10, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just removed some commentary by another person who actually tried to make the argument using a reference to the real-life availability of Glock 19s in Iraq. It's not that I disagree the pistol is probably a Glock 19 - but I find it unfathomable that anyone could fail to understand that there's a difference between real and life and what armorers bring to a movie set. Am I just too OCD, or is it downright retarded to use real life to argue what guns are used in a movie? How is it that people can't grasp the difference? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

:::It is not unfathomable to think that the film makers might have actually done research and asked themselves what kind of weapons a British contractor might use in Iraq. I feel this is especially so because he is also using an AK. If they didn't do any research why not just give him an AR or SA80? I personally know British contractors who carry Ak's and Hi Powers or Glock 19's because they are reliable,easy to get ammo for, and readily available. Since movies are meant to mirror real life in some ways, maybe you are retarded to not realize that it might be relevant to the film maker what would be available and likely for a character to carry. -[[User:Captain America]]

::::Yes, of course the directors are going to ask for weapons that match the characters as accurately as possible, and they will ask the armorers (the people who supply and handle the weapons on the show) for advise on the correct weapons. One would, for instance, expect U.S. Army personnel in Vietnam to have XM16E1s or M16A1s, not the modern-day M4 used by today's troops. That being said, when it comes to something as minor as the particular caliber of a weapon (which looks identical to the same weapon in a different caliber), there isn't some iron law that the exact variant of a weapon in a movie (i.e. Glock 19 vs. Glock 23) absolutely '''has''' to accurately mirror what it would be in real life.

::::If you ever look at some of the pages on this site for WWII movies, you will notice that the Colt MK IV Series 70 in 9x19mm has often been used to stand-in for the [[M1911A1]] (which was the correct service pistol for the U.S. at the time). The reason for this is that for years, movie armorers had difficulty converting .45 ACP pistols to reliable blank-fire, so they used 9mm 1911 stand-ins (some of which are historical anachronisms) because they knew audience was not likely to recognize the difference. The same applies to Glocks - most armorers use (and still use) 9mm Glocks because that's what they had in stock. So they often use 9mm Glocks regardless of what the model should be in real life, because they know that even gun experts will not be able to tell the difference. That is the point I am making here. If your sole reference for a specific weapon in a movie is what it ''should'' be in real life, then you are thinking the wrong way. As our own MPM2008 (who is a movie armorer) has told us many times, the reality of movie gun use differs from the reality of real life ''very'' often. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

::::I understand the difference between movie guns and real guns completely. I just don't understand why someone would make an assumption that the Glock in this movie was a 23 when, as you said, people who are familiar with movie guns would know that they tend to be 9mm. Add to that the context of the movie, and again, why would someone even guess it was a 23? I wasn't disagreeing with you, just stating that sometimes the "movie" gun used does not necessarily represent what the character is "supposed" to be carrying in the movie. Much like the Browning Hi Power used in Raiders of the Lost Ark. In the original script and artwork, Indy is "supposed" to be carrying a Colt 1911. But as we all know it back in the day it was hard to get .45's to function with blanks, so a BHP was used, thus still creating debate between what "was used" and what was "supposed to be" used. That was my only point about what a "real life" PSC would have used.-[[User:Captain America]]

I was the guy who originally stated it may be a G23. For the record, all I did was comment on the bore size, and said it looked kinda big for a 9mm. Someone took that to change the page.-AC

After doing some research, it seems that Glcok 19s are the prefered handgun of most contractors in Iraq. From Blackwater, to Armour Group.-AC

:Your research is irrelevant. Again, '''we don't care about real life.''' What matters is what the '''movie's armorers''' had in inventory. Thinking about real life is the wrong way to make your case, as I've said repeatedly on this page. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Agree, but for plot purposes, its probally supposed to be a 19.-AC

Why does there continue to be a disclaimer about the Glock? The OP admitted he guessed at the fact it was a 23 to begin with. Everyone agrees it is a 19. So then there is a disclaimer saying that it could be a 23 but it's not? The gun should simple be identified as what it is agreed to be. If there is a footnote, it should be on this discussion page.

== Movie Connections ==

Does this sucessful movie have any connections with the Matt Damon movie "Green Zone"?

Doubt it. --[[User:Crazycrankle|Crazycrankle]] 10:16, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

:Aside from taking place in Baghdad, it's doubtful. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 16:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

::I just saw ''Green Zone'' recently, and I can say that there is zero connection, besides the fact that both movies had the same cinematographer (according to one review I read). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

:The Green Zone had a lot more Matt Damon shaking the camera during the action scenes [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== Blood covered rounds?? ==

Would the blood on the Barrett rounds really be enough to jam them in the chamber? I could maybe see it if the blood were dried on & formed any sort of crusty residue (ICK!!)... [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
:Maybe if there was a lot of blood and it congealed within the magazine. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::Doesn't seem like there was that much time for the blood to coag, but it does sound plausible actually. There wasn't much of a time element to the scene I guess... thanks for the theory tho! [[User:Tommyt|Tommyt]] 03:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Just looking at the condition of that Barret with all the dust and sand, I would think that just that would be enough to jam the weapon.--[[User:MarineCorps1|MarineCorps1]] 22:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I assumed the sand that was kicking about would stick to the blood on the round, and tats what would cause a jam. Tho i also thought it would have been easier to empty the mag, and load the rounds into the breech directly, one shot at a time - Captain Snikt

== Taking it a bit further... ==

If I may dork out a little more, it looked like he was using a SOG Power Plier multitool in the beginning, but later switched to a Leatherman Wave. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 06:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

== Barrett Shells ==
When Sanborn is using the barrett, as he reloads you can see the magazine is loaded with (live?) rounds in one shot, and then in another shot, as he is inserting the magazine, the shells have no bullets in them. And right after this, they show another shot of the mag and it is loaded with live rounds again. WTF? --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 14:29, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

:You sure they are live rounds? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What I mean is that they have the appearance of live rounds. They have the slug in the shell casing. But when Sanborn reloads, they show two different shots. In one, he holds a loaded magazine, but in the other he has what looks like just empty shell casings. Watch the part again if you can and tell me what you think. --[[User:FirearmFanatic|FirearmFanatic]] 12:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

== Airsoft? ==

Ok, who put the Airsoft M4 there and what proof is there that there are Airsoft M4s? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 23:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

In some scenes, Sandborn and Eldridge have Classic Army M15A4 airsoft rifle replicas.
Like this one - http://shop.georgiaairsoft.com/ProductImages/CA%20M15A4%20CARBINE%20RIS%20AEG%20NEW%20MODEL%20WEBSIZE%20IMAGE.jpg - If you look closely at recievers of their guns, you would see the white "Armalite" logo partially covered with black paint and Save - Semi - Auto highlighted with white paint on the fire selector. As far as I know, no real AR-15 manufacurer (apart from the HK and their HK-416) does not highlight markings on AR-15 recievers with white paint.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1981/hurtlockerm15a4.jpg

[Ragnar - unregistered viewer]

::::I just watched this movie on Blu Ray again, and I can confirm that yes, the non-firing M4s in the movie are Classic Army airsoft replicas (some of them don't even have completely blacked-out markings). We've already pointed out that the buttstocks of the M4s in the movie keep changing from 6-position to 4-position types. From what I can tell, any time you see an M4 with a 4-position stock, it's a Classic Army replica. The real M4s used in the movie all have 6-position stocks. They probably used the Classic Army weapons so that the actors could handle them when the armorer wasn't on-set. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 20:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

::What exactly ''are'' Airsoft replicas, and how are they so different from the actual rifles (so they can be used on set w/o an armorer present, as mentioned in the article)?[[User:Sentient6|Sentient6]] 01:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't understand...are you asking what airsoft guns are? -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 01:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::::I think he's asking what airsoft is. Airsoft replicas are replicas of real world firarms that shoot plastic BBs and can be powered by CO2, springs, even electric motors. High quality airsoft replicas are often used when it is more economical to do so, since they are less expensive than actual firearms. The trained eye can spot a lot of instances of this in this movie - burgershot621

== M 136. ==

One of the soldiers near the end, that has cordoned off the forced suicide bomber has an M-136 on his back. It can be seen fairly clearly, when he pulls the interpretor behind cover.

:Correct. Also, the guy who apprehends James at the checkpoint (after his vigilante mission) has what seems to be a Remington 870 folder. I'll get them all added when I do the Blu-Ray update to this page (can't give an ETA yet, but hopefully this weekend). -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't notice the remington.

On a sidenote, what pistol does James have when he goes on his little vigilante crusade? Most of the camera angles for that part, make it hard to identify the trigger guard.
:It's a Beretta 92 series. I'm pretty sure it was a 92FS, from the hooked trigger, but I'll have to check. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 10:55, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

== Six wheeled armore vehicles. ==

What models are those six whelled APCs seen throughout the movie? I dont know if this site is a good place to ask this, but i cant find it anywhere.

Also, I assume there stand-ins for Strikers.-AC
:::The vehicles are South African Ratel IFVs, likely borrowed from the Royal Jordanian Land Force (where the movie was filmed). IMCDB has a thorough list of the vehicles if you are interested. --[[User:Markit|Markit]] 01:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Eldridge's Eye Protection ==
Although it may be irrelevant, does anyone happen to know what brand or type of eye protection (or shooting glasses) that Eldridge uses throughout the movie? Thanks. --''[[User:Blemo|'''B''''''le''''''mo''']] [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] [[user talk:Blemo|'''TALK''']] • [[Special:Contributions/Blemo|'''CONTRIBUTIONS''']] • [[Special:Emailuser/Blemo|'''EMAIL''']] • '''MESSAGE''''' 08:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

also someone know what gloves Sanborn wears in the beretta pick I've been wanting to get fingerless for some time now G36 have crappy small trigger guards and my oakleys just don't fit to well and I don't wanna cut em up since they were expensive as shit

==Blu-Ray update finished==

Sorry it took me so long. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 19:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== James' Knife ==

Can anyone tell me what knife James had in his hand after disarming the "Send Us All To Jesus" VB-IED? The one he throws in the back before Sanborn thumps him.

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

Talk:Pineapple Express

2010-06-02T02:32:29Z

Burgershot621:

I've got to give you credit Uzi870, this page looks pretty professional and rivals MPM2008's, MT2008's, Speakeasy804's, and GM45's screencapped pages. Your Terminator page was okay, but the screencaps were a little out of proportion. I'll give your Pineapple Express page a 10 out of 10. I'm currently working a page for the film adaption of the S.E. Hinton novel ''The Outsiders''. Check it out okay? - [[User:Swordfish941|Swordfish941]]
:Ouch, my pride. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
:What? Winchester doesnt get a notably mention? lol. -[[User:The Winchester|The Winchester]]
: Could someone change the picture in the former 1911 section to a GCNM please? I have yet to learn how to do this.
::Thanks MT2008, I appreciate it [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]
::Has anyone here on this site ever read ''The Outsiders''? - Swordfish941
::I have, it's one of my favorite books. Read it at least 5 times -Burgershot621

== Sound editing ==
Was anyone else bothered by the sound editing in the climactic shootout between the two drug gangs? The Asian gang uses a variety of weapons in a variety of calibers yet they all seem to sound alike; fake and exaggerated. The Kalashnikovs used by Ted's gang all appear to have the sound of heavy machinegun fire superimposed over them. I understand that the sound of gunfire is frequently if not always embellished in movies but the way it was done in this film seems really odd to me.
:-[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]]

Justified

2010-05-26T07:01:42Z

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The following guns were used in the series ''Justified'':

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun"==
The main sidearm used by Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) is a 9mm [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]]. In Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1), he is seen pulling it on a fugitive suspect in Miami when he refuses to surrender and tries to shoot Raylan with a gun he had hidden underneath the table. The SIG he pulls at the beginning appears to be a [["Non Guns"|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun"]] flashpaper replica. Later in the episode, Chief Deputy Art Mullen ([[Nick Searcy]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG P226]] during the gunfight against Crowder's two "fat" Neo Nazi thugs. In later episodes (i.e. "Long in the Tooth" the gun throws some cartridges that look more like .357 SIG, must have upgraded

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun".]]
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Here, he fires the SIG "Non Gun".]]

==Glock 17==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat in his crew in Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). Later in the episode a couple of Glock 17s can be seen in the trunk of Chief Mullen's SUV, when he reaches to collect some weapons and ammo to confront Crowder's two "fat" Neo-Nazi thugs. Givens throughout the rest of the season uses a Glock 17 as his standard pistol.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Just2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat.]]

In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.

==Glock 19==
The Miami fugitive ([[Peter Greene]]) that is confronted by Raylan at the beginning of the premiere episode is seen trying to pull his [[Glock 19]] hidden underneath the table.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 21==
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]]

==Colt 1911A1==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) is also seen armed with a nickel plated Colt [[M1911A1]] later in the premiere episode.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]

==Unknown Compact 1911A1==
Raylan Givens carries an unknown compact 1911A1 after arriving in Kentucky in "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It's either a Commander or Officers size model most likely. The best view of it can be seen when he does a one handed brass check on it in the motel room before leaving to Ava's. It appears to have an added beveled mag well, 3 hole combat trigger and other custom features.

it appears the compact 1911 could possibly be the new Sig Sauer version: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Justified

It had the Gold Medallion, which almost always makes it a colt
Uh, no.

=Rifles=
==Ruger Mini-14==
One of Crowder's thugs uses a [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB-F in the premiere episode. He is first using it in a bank robbery then later using the Mini-14 to pin down Raylan's team.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]

==AKM==
The other Crowder thug uses an [[AKM]] first during a bank robbery then uses it to pin down Raylan's team alongside his brother.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]

==Remington R700==
In "Riverbrook" (S1E2), a police sniper uses a Remington R700 to snipe Dupree in the climax.

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
Dewey Crowe ([[Damon Herriman]]) tries to intimidate Raylan by loading a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. The shotgun is fitted with pistol grip, vertical foregrip, and has a saddle shell holder attached to the left side of the shotgun's receiver. Dewey loads two rounds in the shotgun but forgets to rack in a load, in which Raylan calls him out and says "Can you rack in a load before I put a hole through it?" Later in the episode Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes Dewey's shotgun and fires one round to command Dewey.
[[Image:Mossberg500CruiserwithForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Justifiedproductionstill 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A production still of Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) seen with the Mossberge 500 Cruiser with pistol grip and vertical foregrip]]

==Mossberg 590==
Seen in season 1 episode 2 by an escaped convict taken from a prison guard during his escape. Shown with synthetic stock and forearm.

==Unknown pump shotgun==
Ava Crowder ([[Joelle Carter]]) uses an unknown pump shotgun at the end of "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It closely resembles a Mossberg 500, but has a rounded bolt which the Mossberg does not have.

=Rifles=
==Unknown AR-15 sniper rifle==
One of Given's fellow Marshals use an unknown [[AR-15]] sniper rifle configuration with Aimpoint M68 Sight and a rear night vision scope in the premiere episode.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M72 LAW==
An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church in the premiere episode.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:Just2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church. The backblast is not accurate.]]

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Talk:Justified

2010-05-26T03:32:31Z

Burgershot621: /* Glock */

So what gun does Raylin use to shoot Boyd in the chest with?
:He did a brass check on it in the motel room. It looked like a Commander model. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
==Miami gun==
This screen-cap of the gun Raylin uses at the table in Miami at the start of the episode does NOT look like a SIG Sauer P226. It has large square front end, the possibly after-market spring guide rod is stainless and rather large hex; the grip flares above the hand. Other details are a little hard to distinguish, but I think the ID for this prop gun is still unknown. Ideas?
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3390/snapshot20100318023606.png
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 22:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:I don't see double stack bulges either. I'm going to covert that pic to JPEG and put it on the main page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|]]
::Here is the pic converted. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

:::This doesn't look like a real SIG to me; it looks like one of the SIG [["Non Guns"]]:

:::[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer Non Gun]]

:::-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

Perfect! Here's an animated image I took off the ep. It clearly shows that it's a non-gun. That's why it looks kind of funny, a little like a Glock, some of the parts don't match, and it's way too simplified. Classic non-gun. Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226. And we have another image to add to the non-gun page.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6461/justifiednongun.gif
--[[Special:Contributions/24.8.253.46|24.8.253.46]] 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
::EXCELLENT! Yes, that tell tale "poof" of the flame and the smoke lacks the 'blast' of a real blank. It's definitely an ISS non-gun. Just remember to list it on the NON gun page as well as the actor page (along with this page). [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:::''Given that I think we're fine leaving it as a Sig Sauer P226.''

:::Nope, if it's a Non Gun, then it should be designated as such, and not as a SIG P226. We are trying to be an accurate as possible. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 13:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

==End of first episode==
Seriously? They killed the main antagonist in the first episode, now what?-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 06:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

He didn't fucking die dude. Raylen just wounded him instead of killing him instantly. He'll be back.-ArmoredMason619

He was alive when they put him in the ambulance and he is on the next episode.-Spades of Columbia

But he took a .45 slug and a load of buckshot to the chest! I bet next episode he's going to be perfectly fine (stupid television)-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 20:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

She missed, no buckshot to the chest. The have already shown he's in the hurt box but alive. FX tends to be on the level with violence.

He wasn't perfectly fine the next episode. He was in a hospital bed with little movement possible and a button where he can control pain meds. He isn't fine. And just because he was shot with a .45 in the chest doesn't mean much if Raylan didn't hit his heart or lungs. But it did knock the guy down and out of the fight. [[User:GaBoy45|GaBoy45]] 17:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Givens shot Boyd centermass, so it's understood from the dialogue of the other characters that Givens missed the heart on purpose out of some sense of loyalty to Boyd. And if you would pay close enough attention to the dialogue and not just the action, many of these simple questions are answered.

==Glock==
I believe that Raylen is carrying a glock 22 and a glock 27 in the second episode. He even makes a reference to The Fugative as he is a US Marshal. [[User:humanzie3|humanzie3]]

I have yet to get a good enough look at what Type/style/Brand of holster Raylin draws from. Can anyone identify the holster or at least get a good picture of it? [[Spades of Columbia]]

In S1.Ep.10 Raylen tells the judge the he carries a .45 Glock. Wouldn't that make it a 21?
:Just because that's what he says in the show doesn't make it so. The muzzle is what most use to determine what type of Glock, if there isn't a good view of the slide. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 15:14, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but he's saying its a .45 Glock. Now, it could be a G21 or a G37 if it's chambered in .45 GAP -burgershot621

==Kentucky==
: As a former resident of Kentucky, I find Raylin's remarks about having to go back to KY hilarious. It is clearly obvious that he doesn't want to be there, and if you've ever had to live there you'll know exactly why-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 03:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
::I think everyone feels that way about one's home state. Besides, there're bad places almost everywhere. Ever been to the backwoods of Florida? It's just like this show.--[[User:Zblayde|Zblayde]] 04:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Justified

2010-05-26T03:28:08Z

Burgershot621: /* SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun" */

The following guns were used in the series ''Justified'':

=Handguns=
==SIG-Sauer P226/"Non Gun"==
The main sidearm used by Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) is a 9mm [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P226]]. In Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1), he is seen pulling it on a fugitive suspect in Miami when he refuses to surrender and tries to shoot Raylan with a gun he had hidden underneath the table. The SIG he pulls at the beginning appears to be a [["Non Guns"|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun"]] flashpaper replica. Later in the episode, Chief Deputy Art Mullen ([[Nick Searcy]]) uses a [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG P226]] during the gunfight against Crowder's two "fat" Neo Nazi thugs. In later episodes (i.e. "Long in the Tooth" the gun throws some cartridges that look more like .357 SIG, must have upgraded

-In a more recent episode where Raylan protects the judge, he states that he's packing a ".45 caliber Glock." It could be a G21 or maybe even a G37 if its .45 GAP. While it is a Sig in the flash back, it looks like he switched to a Glock when he came back to Harlan

[[Image:SigP226.jpg|thumb|none|400px|A factory black (K-Kote) SIG-Sauer P226 pistol chambered in 9x19mm. This is a real movie gun and has appeared in several motion pictures.]]

[[Image:SIGnon-gun.jpg|thumb|none|500px|SIG-Sauer "Non Gun".]]
[[Image:JT-SIG.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Here, he fires the SIG "Non Gun".]]

==Glock 17==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat in his crew in Season 1's "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). Later in the episode a couple of Glock 17s can be seen in the trunk of Chief Mullen's SUV, when he reaches to collect some weapons and ammo to confront Crowder's two "fat" Neo-Nazi thugs. Givens throughout the rest of the season uses a Glock 17 as his standard pistol.
[[Image:Glock173rdGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|A Generation 3 Glock 17 9x19mm. Note the finger grooves, thumb reliefs, and accessory rail on the frame, which differentiate it from the older model.]]
[[Image:Just2003.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) uses a [[Glock 17]] to dispatch a suspected rat.]]

In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.

==Glock 19==
The Miami fugitive ([[Peter Greene]]) that is confronted by Raylan at the beginning of the premiere episode is seen trying to pull his [[Glock 19]] hidden underneath the table.
[[Image:Glock19 2ndGen.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Glock 19 (2nd Generation) - 9x19mm]]

==Glock 21==
In S1E10, The Hammer, Raylan Givens tells a judge he is assigned to protect that he carries a ".45 caliber Glock" making his sidearm a Glock model 21.
[[Image:Glock21.jpg|thumb|none|600px| ]]

==Colt 1911A1==
Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) is also seen armed with a nickel plated Colt [[M1911A1]] later in the premiere episode.
[[Image:NickelM1911A1.jpg|thumb|350px|none|Commercial Satin Nickel M1911A1 Pistol - .45 ACP. Manufactured on license by Remington Rand.]]

==Unknown Compact 1911A1==
Raylan Givens carries an unknown compact 1911A1 after arriving in Kentucky in "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It's either a Commander or Officers size model most likely. The best view of it can be seen when he does a one handed brass check on it in the motel room before leaving to Ava's. It appears to have an added beveled mag well, 3 hole combat trigger and other custom features.

it appears the compact 1911 could possibly be the new Sig Sauer version: http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Justified

It had the Gold Medallion, which almost always makes it a colt
Uh, no.

=Rifles=
==Ruger Mini-14==
One of Crowder's thugs uses a [[Ruger Mini-14]] GB-F in the premiere episode. He is first using it in a bank robbery then later using the Mini-14 to pin down Raylan's team.
[[Image:Mini14gb-f.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Stainless Steel Ruger Mini-14 GB-F ("Government Barrel, Folding Stock") - 5.56x45mm]]

==AKM==
The other Crowder thug uses an [[AKM]] first during a bank robbery then uses it to pin down Raylan's team alongside his brother.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg‎|thumb|none|400px|AKM, Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake 7.62x39mm]]

==Remington R700==
In "Riverbrook" (S1E2), a police sniper uses a Remington R700 to snipe Dupree in the climax.

=Shotguns=
==Mossberg 500 Cruiser==
Dewey Crowe ([[Damon Herriman]]) tries to intimidate Raylan by loading a [[Mossberg 500 Cruiser]]. The shotgun is fitted with pistol grip, vertical foregrip, and has a saddle shell holder attached to the left side of the shotgun's receiver. Dewey loads two rounds in the shotgun but forgets to rack in a load, in which Raylan calls him out and says "Can you rack in a load before I put a hole through it?" Later in the episode Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) takes Dewey's shotgun and fires one round to command Dewey.
[[Image:Mossberg500CruiserwithForegrip.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Mossberg 500 Cruiser - 12 gauge]]
[[Image:Justifiedproductionstill 1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|A production still of Raylan Givens ([[Timothy Olyphant]]) seen with the Mossberge 500 Cruiser with pistol grip and vertical foregrip]]

==Mossberg 590==
Seen in season 1 episode 2 by an escaped convict taken from a prison guard during his escape. Shown with synthetic stock and forearm.

==Unknown pump shotgun==
Ava Crowder ([[Joelle Carter]]) uses an unknown pump shotgun at the end of "Fire in the Hole" (S1E1). It closely resembles a Mossberg 500, but has a rounded bolt which the Mossberg does not have.

=Rifles=
==Unknown AR-15 sniper rifle==
One of Given's fellow Marshals use an unknown [[AR-15]] sniper rifle configuration with Aimpoint M68 Sight and a rear night vision scope in the premiere episode.

=Heavy Weapons=
==M72 LAW==
An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church in the premiere episode.
[[Image:M72A2LAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M72A2 LAW - 66mm]]
[[Image:Just2007.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An [[M72 LAW]] is used by Boyd Crowder ([[Walton Goggins]]) to blow up a church. The backblast is not accurate.]]

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