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Talk:Courage Under Fire

2011-01-07T18:54:10Z

Bulletsponge13: New page: Re: A wounded Captain Walden lies with Monfriez's FN C9. You will note that there is a green 200 round drum attached indicating blank cartridges. A black drum would indicate live 4 ball 1 ...

Re: A wounded Captain Walden lies with Monfriez's FN C9. You will note that there is a green 200 round drum attached indicating blank cartridges. A black drum would indicate live 4 ball 1 tracer (4B1T). Her Beretta is also visible.
Having served in the US Army, every blank drum I used was black, and every live drum was green.

Talk:Generation Kill

2011-01-05T01:05:52Z

Bulletsponge13: /* the M4s in this show */

In the book, evan wright mentions benelli shotguns being used by officers

:Sure but in the series, we don't see any. Did see a shotgun carried by the Iraqi translator.

There is a Major in the series who carries a shotgun with him (Nate Fick's book refers to him as "Major Benelli") though from the looks of it it doesn't look like a Benelli. The PALS webbing on his body armor has shotgun shells stowed in them.

:I just finished watching this whole series. I feel that it was a day well spent-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
==The quality of the screencaps==
Is it just me or are the quality of the screencaps in this page really low quality?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==PVS-17 in daylight?==
Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why a '''night sight''' is shown being used in broad daylight? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

he switches it of you can see in screewby he switches it one again at night most of the time it isn't shown when he does that, I bet he didn't have another scope to mount so he just used it switched of

the scope can be used during the day or night. If you notice the cover on the lens, it has a small hole in it, this allows a small amount of light into the unit if the cover was removed during the day time it would danage the scope. At night the lens cap is removed .

Actually the scope Colbert uses in the series is just a prop, and doesn't quite look like a AN/PVS-17.

i recently bought the book after watching the series and love them both. in the middle of the book it has a series of pictures in cluding thereal brad colbert with an M4 with M203 and night-vision scope. the same setup his M4 has in the series and many other soldiers have the same setup aswell [[user:smish34|smish34]]

-Real operators used NV scopes in broad daylight because they can see their AN/PEQs laser (you know, those infrared aiming devices). I assumed it'll be the most logical answer there is. Oh well, just sharing my mind right now... [TeeKev]

==Older Teardrop Forward Assists on m4 Carbines?==
What's up with that? I don't think Colt ever made m4s with anything but the newer round style forward assist.

- maybe an airsoft replica? i read a discussion on an airsoft board where they claimed they could read Classic Army designations on the guns in some scenes (then there was a flamewar about it...)

::It's possible that they may have used some airsoft M4s for the ''non-firing'' scenes, but I would never take the airsoft community's word for it. Airsofters tend to be full of crap and think that ''every'' movie uses airsoft guns and CGI muzzle flashes (because most of them don't appreciate how much more expensive and unrealistic CGI is for creating muzzle flashes...it's actually cheaper to use the real thing and blanks).

::Anyway, it is kind of strange that the M4s in this movie have the teardrop forward assist, but it's fairly easy to replace forward assists on AR upper receiver units. I've seen pictures of M16A1s with the round forward assist (even though Colt only made them with teardrop) and M16A2s with the teardrop forward assist (in fact, many of Colt's early AR-15 A2 uppers had the teardrop style). It's possible that whatever armorer supplied the weapons for this movie just happened to have an abundance of teardrop forward assists in inventory, but it certainly doesn't mean the weapons are airsoft. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

:I actually never paid too much attention to the forward assist and never knew about the different styles, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::I did notice a Classic Army airsoft M4 in one scene of Episode 4 (been seeing a lot of those in movies/TV recently, i.e. ''[[The Hurt Locker]]''). But most of the M4s on this show are real guns; the teardrop forward assist is something that can be replaced in maintenance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

== M733? ==

That barrel looks a bit long to be an M733 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it is an M733, the picture is low quality which (combined with the motion blur of the scene) makes it hard to distinguish where the barrel ends and the flash hider begins, thus making the barrel appear longer. Then again I'm no expert on AR variants, so take that for what you will. If anyone with a higher quality image (or more knowledge on ARs than I) could confirm/correct the entry, that would be great.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 23:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 733 SMG - 5.56x45mm. It should be noted this is actually an M16A1 upper used to build a mock up of a 733 for films.]]
[[Image:GKC15A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the Marine's Colt 733.]]
Look at the length of the handguards, it's not a shorty. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:GKC15B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Marine not wearing his helmet carries the Colt 733.]]

Okay, anybody have any ideas as to what it is then?--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 21:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hard to say. Barrel length looks longer than a 733, but the handguards look too long to make it a 723. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, look at the forward assist. Its an MGC replica. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Good caps, guys ==
Whoever capped this should be commended. Really good shots, not too many, not too few. They also LOOK really good.-protoAuthor 21:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*The user who uploaded those screencaps was [[User:Ben41|Ben41]]. You may congratulate him for that. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

==PEQ-IV==

Does anyone know if the AN/PEQ-IV (the type of laser aiming module seen on many of the Marines' M4s in this series) is actually used by any service in real life? I've only ever seen airsofters (who can't afford PEQ-2s) using them. I didn't think the PEQ-IV was considered mil-spec equipment. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

-It's actually AN/P'''A'''Q-IV, but yes it is mil-spec and was widely used by the USMC in the earlier stages of the Iraq War.
However they are technically inaccurate to Force Recon, who make use of the SOPMOD package for their M4/M16's, which includes the
AN/PEQ-2, not the PAQ-4.

::Thanks for the info. I just did some more reading, and it turns out that the Recon Marines were using the PAC-4/C literally right up until the invasion when they started getting the PEC-2s. Also, I notice that in the images of 1st Recon that appear in the book ''Generation Kill'', several of the Marines do in fact have PEC-2s on their M4s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== M-136 use. ==

One can be seen being used in the Johnny cash montage at the ending. An M-240 can be seen being used also.

==the M4s in this show==

Here is a Blu-Ray image of Sgt. Colbert with his M4 in the last episode of the series:

[[Image:GK1.7-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''(Enlarge this to full-size by clicking twice on it)''']]

All of the M4s in this show appear to be fitted with accessories that are not mil-specification. Some questions I have:

(1.) What brand lower receiver is Colbert's M4 built upon? It doesn't seem to be Colt; the markings on the magazine well look wrong. Anyone have any thoughts on who manufactured these lowers? (we've already pointed out that the uppers have the older teardrop forward assist; maybe the maker of the uppers is the same as lowers)

(2.) Contrary to what the page says, none of the firing M4s in the show are fitted with Knight's Armament RAS forearms (although the airsoft Classic Army M4s that are used as non-firing stand-ins do have KAC). You can see that the forearms have four wide air slits, rather than seven circular holes (as on KAC forearms), so they must be some other brand. Can anyone tell me what?

(3.) Sgt. Rudy Reyes also has a vertical foregrip on his M4 that does not seem to be either KAC or ERGO (again, contrary to the page). Any thoughts on the brand?

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

The rail covers on the rails in the above screen cap are UTG, I am not sure of the rail system itself though. It is possible they used UTG rails for filming even on the firing rifles.

== MK-19 AGL ==

The screen cap labeled "MK19 AGL disassembled" is incorrect. The weapon is fully assembled in that cap, but not mounted.

Talk:Generation Kill

2011-01-05T01:02:40Z

Bulletsponge13: /* MK-19 AGL */ new section

In the book, evan wright mentions benelli shotguns being used by officers

:Sure but in the series, we don't see any. Did see a shotgun carried by the Iraqi translator.

There is a Major in the series who carries a shotgun with him (Nate Fick's book refers to him as "Major Benelli") though from the looks of it it doesn't look like a Benelli. The PALS webbing on his body armor has shotgun shells stowed in them.

:I just finished watching this whole series. I feel that it was a day well spent-[[User:S&Wshooter|S&Wshooter]] 22:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
==The quality of the screencaps==
Is it just me or are the quality of the screencaps in this page really low quality?-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

==PVS-17 in daylight?==
Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why a '''night sight''' is shown being used in broad daylight? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 11:50, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

he switches it of you can see in screewby he switches it one again at night most of the time it isn't shown when he does that, I bet he didn't have another scope to mount so he just used it switched of

the scope can be used during the day or night. If you notice the cover on the lens, it has a small hole in it, this allows a small amount of light into the unit if the cover was removed during the day time it would danage the scope. At night the lens cap is removed .

Actually the scope Colbert uses in the series is just a prop, and doesn't quite look like a AN/PVS-17.

i recently bought the book after watching the series and love them both. in the middle of the book it has a series of pictures in cluding thereal brad colbert with an M4 with M203 and night-vision scope. the same setup his M4 has in the series and many other soldiers have the same setup aswell [[user:smish34|smish34]]

-Real operators used NV scopes in broad daylight because they can see their AN/PEQs laser (you know, those infrared aiming devices). I assumed it'll be the most logical answer there is. Oh well, just sharing my mind right now... [TeeKev]

==Older Teardrop Forward Assists on m4 Carbines?==
What's up with that? I don't think Colt ever made m4s with anything but the newer round style forward assist.

- maybe an airsoft replica? i read a discussion on an airsoft board where they claimed they could read Classic Army designations on the guns in some scenes (then there was a flamewar about it...)

::It's possible that they may have used some airsoft M4s for the ''non-firing'' scenes, but I would never take the airsoft community's word for it. Airsofters tend to be full of crap and think that ''every'' movie uses airsoft guns and CGI muzzle flashes (because most of them don't appreciate how much more expensive and unrealistic CGI is for creating muzzle flashes...it's actually cheaper to use the real thing and blanks).

::Anyway, it is kind of strange that the M4s in this movie have the teardrop forward assist, but it's fairly easy to replace forward assists on AR upper receiver units. I've seen pictures of M16A1s with the round forward assist (even though Colt only made them with teardrop) and M16A2s with the teardrop forward assist (in fact, many of Colt's early AR-15 A2 uppers had the teardrop style). It's possible that whatever armorer supplied the weapons for this movie just happened to have an abundance of teardrop forward assists in inventory, but it certainly doesn't mean the weapons are airsoft. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 02:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

:I actually never paid too much attention to the forward assist and never knew about the different styles, [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

::I did notice a Classic Army airsoft M4 in one scene of Episode 4 (been seeing a lot of those in movies/TV recently, i.e. ''[[The Hurt Locker]]''). But most of the M4s on this show are real guns; the teardrop forward assist is something that can be replaced in maintenance. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:19, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

== M733? ==

That barrel looks a bit long to be an M733 [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

I think it is an M733, the picture is low quality which (combined with the motion blur of the scene) makes it hard to distinguish where the barrel ends and the flash hider begins, thus making the barrel appear longer. Then again I'm no expert on AR variants, so take that for what you will. If anyone with a higher quality image (or more knowledge on ARs than I) could confirm/correct the entry, that would be great.--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 23:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Colt Model 733.jpg‎|thumb|500px|none|Colt Model 733 SMG - 5.56x45mm. It should be noted this is actually an M16A1 upper used to build a mock up of a 733 for films.]]
[[Image:GKC15A.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Another view of the Marine's Colt 733.]]
Look at the length of the handguards, it's not a shorty. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 23:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:GKC15B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The Marine not wearing his helmet carries the Colt 733.]]

Okay, anybody have any ideas as to what it is then?--[[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 21:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Hard to say. Barrel length looks longer than a 733, but the handguards look too long to make it a 723. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:No, look at the forward assist. Its an MGC replica. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 17:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Good caps, guys ==
Whoever capped this should be commended. Really good shots, not too many, not too few. They also LOOK really good.-protoAuthor 21:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*The user who uploaded those screencaps was [[User:Ben41|Ben41]]. You may congratulate him for that. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 22:55, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

==PEQ-IV==

Does anyone know if the AN/PEQ-IV (the type of laser aiming module seen on many of the Marines' M4s in this series) is actually used by any service in real life? I've only ever seen airsofters (who can't afford PEQ-2s) using them. I didn't think the PEQ-IV was considered mil-spec equipment. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 14:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

-It's actually AN/P'''A'''Q-IV, but yes it is mil-spec and was widely used by the USMC in the earlier stages of the Iraq War.
However they are technically inaccurate to Force Recon, who make use of the SOPMOD package for their M4/M16's, which includes the
AN/PEQ-2, not the PAQ-4.

::Thanks for the info. I just did some more reading, and it turns out that the Recon Marines were using the PAC-4/C literally right up until the invasion when they started getting the PEC-2s. Also, I notice that in the images of 1st Recon that appear in the book ''Generation Kill'', several of the Marines do in fact have PEC-2s on their M4s. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 23:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== M-136 use. ==

One can be seen being used in the Johnny cash montage at the ending. An M-240 can be seen being used also.

==the M4s in this show==

Here is a Blu-Ray image of Sgt. Colbert with his M4 in the last episode of the series:

[[Image:GK1.7-M4-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|'''(Enlarge this to full-size by clicking twice on it)''']]

All of the M4s in this show appear to be fitted with accessories that are not mil-specification. Some questions I have:

(1.) What brand lower receiver is Colbert's M4 built upon? It doesn't seem to be Colt; the markings on the magazine well look wrong. Anyone have any thoughts on who manufactured these lowers? (we've already pointed out that the uppers have the older teardrop forward assist; maybe the maker of the uppers is the same as lowers)

(2.) Contrary to what the page says, none of the firing M4s in the show are fitted with Knight's Armament RAS forearms (although the airsoft Classic Army M4s that are used as non-firing stand-ins do have KAC). You can see that the forearms have four wide air slits, rather than seven circular holes (as on KAC forearms), so they must be some other brand. Can anyone tell me what?

(3.) Sgt. Rudy Reyes also has a vertical foregrip on his M4 that does not seem to be either KAC or ERGO (again, contrary to the page). Any thoughts on the brand?

-[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]

== MK-19 AGL ==

The screen cap labeled "MK19 AGL disassembled" is incorrect. The weapon is fully assembled in that cap, but not mounted.