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Talk:Dirty Harry

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Bo Nidle: /* Only 6.5 inch barreled M29s were used. */ new section

== Model 25? ==
I've read that the gun actually was a Model 25 in .45 Colt. The substitution for the M29 was lack of availability of a M29 and the easy availability of blank cartridges in .45 Colt (which were probably widely used in Colt Peacemakers in Westerns).
:I heard it was a Model 57 in .41 caliber, but it makes more sense for it to be a Model 25, because .45 Colt blanks were very common thanks to the ridiculous amount of westerns made during that time. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
It can't be a model 25. It looks completely different near the forcing cone and cylinder lock-up as well. Gunmaster45, you heard correctly. It is a model 57 in 41 Magnum. Dead ringer except for calibre and the muzzle size difference will not be noticed between those two calibers on screen.

John Milius supplied the Model 29 for the film then both Ellis Mercantile and Stembridge Gun Rentals supplied them. The ones from Ellis Mercantile and Stembridge Gun Rentals were .44 Magnums but were re-chambered to use 5 in 1 blanks. - [[User:Phoenixent|Steve]]

From "guns and ammo" november 2006; Garry James: "my friend writer/director/gun enthusiast John Milius told me he originally intended for Eastwood to carry a 4- inch model 29 in "dirty harry,but model 29s of any stripe were in such short supply at the time that they couldn't find enough 4-inchers but did manage to scrounge up three 6 1/2 - inch 29s, so that's what they went with".[[User:Rafa|Rafa]] ([[User talk:Rafa|talk]]) 14:32, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

: The HD screencaps on both the main page and posted below show '44 MAGNUM' on the gun - I think it's irrefutable that Model 29s were used in the film at this point. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 21:53, 1 July 2014 (EDT)

== John Milius Model 29 ==
What is known is that after ''[[Magnum Force]]'' was finished Milius was presented with a Model 29 by Clint Eastwood and Warner Brothers. It has a small plaque on the grip. I've seen numerous photos of it and a few years ago it was on display at the NRA's museum in Virgina. Does anyone know if that Model 29 was used in either movie or was it just a gift? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

==It was a Model 29(maybe)==
It has also been written that two Model 29's '''''were''''' used in the filming of [[Dirty Harry]]. The Smith & Wesson company historian, Roy Jinks, has stated that the company was approached by Warner Brothers before filming had begun with a request for specimens. Evidently no Model 29's could be found to purchase. The Model 29 was something of a "niche" gun in the fifties and sixties and S&W did not produce large numbers of the 44 magnum revolver.

There had not been a production run for awhile and they had become rather scarce on the market. The factory did have parts on hand and were able to put together two models for the production. However all they had were 6.5 inch barrels so that's what the film went with.

John Milius has stated in the past that when he was doing fine tuning on the script he gave Inspector Callahan a Model 29 with a 4 inch barrel. Which makes sense since since it would be more practical for a cop to carry the 4" version. Of course practical in this case in more a matter of schemantics.

As others have said though it's hard to know what really occurred. The makers of [[Dirty Harry]] had no way of knowing that they were involved with pop culture history and nobody thought to keep accurate records about the props. So we continue to have fun debating all the possible models used by Inspector Callahan.And while your bringing it geel free to identify yourself like I just did. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:59, 16 April 2009

I would also bring to the table that in 1971 gun accuracy was not high priority. Revolvers shooting 123 rounds without ever reloading. Even today 100% gun accuracy isn't achievable. You must remember it's hollywood. However if you start reading printed books and that kind of thing on the topic you will see that it was indeed a model 57. Also saying that "Harry" said it is a 44 magnum doesn't make it so. Just because a character in a movie claims it to be a something definately doesn't make it so. Now on Magnum Force and his later movies I'm sure it was a model 29 but for Dirty Harry (the movie of this page) it definately is a model 57. If you really want to I can go get some book references for you and post them here. However that is going to take some time going through my library but I will. Myth busting when it comes to be guns is what I like. So bring it. [[Potentpoefie]]

Okay. It's supposed to be a Model 29 in the movie.Even if it was actually a Model 57 that was used. And I have also read so called printed books which was where I got the info about Roy Jinks and the Model 29's being used. So once again I'm going to change it.Also I get the impression that almost everyone here is accepting of the fact that it might have been a Model 57, but don't ''really care''. However I would like to see your references.Please post them. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 12:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, [[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] I don't know if I should thank you are swear at you. I had to go through 17 year's worth of gun magazines. However I knew I read about it before. But I finally found the articles. The thank you part comes in because I took the time and finally organized those 17 year's worth of gun magazine. So without even going to online references here you go.
Man Magnum March 1998 - One-Stop Shot by Keith Dyer
Man Magnum November 1998 - The Movie Guns of Clint Eastwood by Paul Scarlata
Man Magnum July 2006 - 44 Magnum - The First Fifty Years by Keith Dyer
So now this model 29 is turning into a model 57 again and if it doesn't bother you so much then I guess it's fine.
[[Potentpoefie]]

Yeah okay. I'm calling a truce. I'm leaving it to [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] to decide what he wants to do. He's basically the webmaster and it's his site. Peace my brother. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 23:11, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Well no peace to be made. Nobody declared war. Like I said. Thanks. It was an experience going through those magazines. Funny how what is "tactical/practical" has changed over the years. [[Potentpoefie]]

I took the snap below and brightened the image to better see the magnum markings. It looks like 44 Magnum to me. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 16:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:DH-00002.jpg|thumb|none|600px|looks like 44 Magnum to me]]
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:I'm pretty sure that this is a .44 Magnum bore, because I've seen a Model 29 up close and remember it looking just like this. I've never seen a Model 25, but some pictures I've seen online suggest it doesn't look like this.

:My guess is that they used the Model 25 mostly for the firing scenes, the Model 29 whenever the gun wasn't fired. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]
::In the last screenshot it clearly says ".44 magnum" down the side of the barrel. --[[User:Cool-breeze|cool-breeze]] ([[User talk:Cool-breeze|talk]]) 02:30, 16 December 2012 (EST)

== Rifle as Evidence ==

The reason the rifle was not viable evidence is because it was "fruit of the poisonous tree." Harry had no warrant to search the stadium so evidence pulled from the scene is not admissible in court. this is the reason stated in the movie BUT any halfway decent cop and district attorney would make it a legal search due to it being "fresh pursuit" not to mention the exigent circumstance of said pursuit. moreover scorpio could only get the protection of that statute if he were a legal resident of the stadium and i am pretty sure he wouldn't be recognized as such legally. so in reality it wouldn't happen quite like that, but the entire movie was an exercise of complaint at the systems apparent apathy towards victims rights and total obsession with criminal rights. so the whole point is rendered moot. just felt like sharing.
:I concur. the statement on the picture is just careless. However, the doctor said that the groundskeeper let him live there. That was the easy way they explained he was legally living there. Contract living or not, the implication that his living space is consensual with the owners or caretakers is legally enough to make it a protected area which requires a warranted search. Also, there was no "hot pursuit" or fresh pursuit. they were led to the stadium through a tip. They didn't see him run there and they didn't follow him in. Just my two cents [[Special:Contributions/69.23.137.224|69.23.137.224]] 07:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::Your point is quite valid, I only brought it up as it was a topic in my Substantive Law class. The fresh pursuit part isn't so much about actively chasing the suspect into the area, but the small amount of time that has passed in the pursuit, bolstered by the exigent circumstances (which is a trump card). The trouble with the groundskeeper giving permission to live there is that he (in all probability) has no legal standing to grant that permission. Since Scorpio is effectively a squatter and the "search" was more or less the rifle being in plain view during the course of a lawful arrest (if I remember correctly) the point is again moot. But I do agree with you on a few levels, I just merely wanted to point out that the topic in question is more of a legal quagmire than the cut and dry "you were bad, Harry" that the movie states or the cut and dry "they have the rifle there just use it as evidence" that others wish were the case. Just adding a few more cents, I think I'm up to a nickel now. =P
:::Scorpio would've had the expectation of privacy, since he considered it his home. But the key thing to consider here it not how the courts would consider this TODAY, but how they would've considered this in 1971. The Warren era had just handed down Gideon, Miranda and Escobedo less than a decade prior, so there's a good chance the courts would've sided with the defendant on this one. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 04:37, 8 September 2013 (EDT)
:I've altered the statement on the picture to refelct the fact that the rifle could have been used as evidence and the trial legally brought to court. - [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 0:14 8 September 2013 (EST)

== Harry and the 4th Amendment ==

I can't speak for 1971 but in 2009 if I was in a similar situation a couple phone calls and I would have a very quick answer from the on-call prosecutor. Also I would call my superior and make sure that I surrounded the stadium with officers and locked it down. I've gotten search warrants before and a couple times it only took about 90 minutes. Plus there would be a very good chance that the PA (prosecutor) would give you the green light to enter based on the exigent circumstances.

Also I imagine that you could contact the owner or owners and get permission to search fairly quickly. Especially considering the circumstances. Most people are essentially good and want to help the police. At least in the U.S.A. But if they showed that the system was somewhat flexible and that other folks also wanted to save the girl than Harry would lose his Lone Wolf status. That would have changed the whole movie and fun would that be?

I own all the Dirty Harry movies and I'm a fan of Clint Eastwood, but they are works of fiction and they play fast and loose with the law in order to make a political/social point. Your observations are dead on. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 14:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
::You said it though when you said, '''you can't speak for 1971'''. It was a different time. You can't compare today with 1971. Heck, I used to ride my motorcycle with a Springfield 03 rifle slung on my back (not in a case) down the 101 freeway on the way to a target shoot and nobody cared. This was back in the 1970s IN California (!?) Times surely have changed. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I think the politics of the film was in response to a lot of the changes brought about by the Warren court. I'm sure many people may have resented that these rulings swung in favor of the accused at the cost of the police. (Gideon, Miranda, Mapp, Escobedo, etc) But since then, with more conservative courts, some of that has been rolled back or relaxed, like Miranda. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 15:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

In the spring of 1981 I was thirteen and in 7th grade. Near the end of the school year my P.E. teacher let us have a "Fun Day" which included many activities to include archery. One of my friends brought his Barnett Crossbow and a quiver full of bolts onto the bus and walked with it into our school. The only thing he had to do was leave it with the P.E. teacher until classtime. But at the end of the day he rode the bus home with the crossbow and bolts and nobody even went "eek". That was just 29 years ago. Times do change don't they? --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:31, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

When I would walk to school in My Homestate of North Carolina, I would see men huntin' (My house was on a dirt road) in the open where everybody could see them and Me and My Friends just thought it was normal, but when I moved out of the country and into the city, with My Grandpa's old Springfield M1903A3 Rifle slung over My shoulder and a 1911A1 pistol tucked into the waist of my pants , driving an old 1950's pickup truck with half the paint worn off. Now imagine driving to New York in 1979 wearing the old uniform your father wore during the Korean War with a pair suspenders and a hand-me-down bandana soaked in blood and sweet. I saw things I didn't even think existed. That was the strangest moment in My Life. Now everbody used to seeing that stuff. The small town I lived near has been abandoned and torn down to make place for a tourist trap and mini mall. I searched for the America I grew up in and could not find it. - [[User:Kilgore|Kilgore]] 03:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

As mentioned above regarding the rifle being admissible, Scorpio was living in the Kezar Stadium under the consent of the groundskeeper, ''but'' the groundskeeper, in all likelyhood, does not have the right to grant that kind of permission, which would make Scorpio a squatter in the eyes of the law and therefore not protected by the Fourth Amendment. - [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 02:56 8 September 2013 (EST)

== .44 Magnum/.41 Magnum ==
From what I remember reading in gun mags of the time, when they contacted Smith & Wesson a week before production was due to start no M29's where being produced at that time. They where in the middle of a run of M57 .41 Magnums, which are identical appart from the differance in Calibur. They sent them a pair of these with an advisory note not to film the muzzle until some .44's could be sourced to replace them.

This means that i was fooled, i always believed that it was a Model 29, god this isn't a good week for me.--[[User:Dillinger|Dillinger]] 17:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:No, they were actual Model 29s, in .44 Magnum. Bob Sauer had two made from parts in the Smith and Wesson factory. If you look carefully, the barrel actually says .44 MAGNUM. - [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 03:04 8 September 2013

== M57 vs. M29 ==

It's a moot point what the real model was. In the movie it's identified as a S&W 44 magnum which means it's a Model 29. So I'm going to take the liberty of changing it ''back'' to being identified as a Model 29, but with all the info still included. Anyway the company historian has stated that the production company did use a couple Model 29's that the factory put together from spare parts. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 22:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:The barrels actually say .44 MAGNUM, so I'd say that's pretty conclusive. - [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 03:07 8 September 2013
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== Arisaka paratrooper rifle ==

I understand that sporterising a rare firearm negates its value as a collector's item, but is it possible that this particular Arisaka could remain valuable due to its appearance in this film?

That exact specimen would probably get a large amount of money at auction as long as there was provenance. --[[User:Jcordell|Jcordell]] 19:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

::Only as a movie memorabilia, not as a collector gun. There is a difference. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 21:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

:::I have to ask: what happens to movie prop guns when they're worn out? (I presume they get worn out.) Are they destroyed? Are they still considered firearms and regulated as such? Can they be converted back into regular firearms? Are they sold as collector's items? I'm sure the hero guns will go to some museum or something, but what of the rest? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 21:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::They are usually sold off to other prop houses/armories or gun collectors. Many of Stembridge's guns were sold to collectors in other states (back in 1999) when the Anti gun Atty General Bill Lockyer (D) was dead set on trying to nail Stembridge. The 1990s were a DARK TIME for gun rights. Dan Shea brokered a lot of the Title II sales to other buyers outside of California. You are right about the pendulum swinging back, but a lot of damage has been done and I don't see how many of the laws which really hurt armorers / gun owners can be turned back at the state level. We'll see. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 23:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, I was curious about the appearance of the takedown Arisaka in film, as it seems to have been a rather rare specimen compared to the scores of Type 38/Type 99 rifles brought back from the Second World War and the Korean War. Still, it appeared from time to time in movies, I remember Raymond Shaw (Lawrence Harvey) used one in The Manchurian Candidate.

== Scorpio Killer ==

I think the scorpio killer was supposed to be potrayed as a nazi or a racial socialist. He uses two of the most infamous nazi firearms in film, he had blonde hair and blue eyes, and finally he had a racial slur of african americans in his first death note.

== Arisaka suppressor ==

What type of suppressor is the suppressor used on the Arisaka? I can't remember any suppressors being made for the Arisaka before WWII, or indeed if it was able to use any sort of suppressor. Also, it's called a 'paratrooper' rifle, were they ever actually used by Japanese paratroopers? Were there any Japanese paratroopers during WWII?

Actually in WWII the Japanese had two separate paratrooper forces. Both the ''Special Naval Landing Forces'' (Marines) and the ''Imperial Army Air Force'' developed their own paratroopers. Although like the German ''Fallschirmjäger'' they only jumped a few times early in the war and spent the rest of it fighting as infantry. As for the Type 2 Paratroop Rifle, it wasn't designed for a suppressor, so it would have to custom fitted. [[User:Pravda616|Pravda616]] 15:53 28/12/11

== 6 shots or 5? ==
In the orginal theatrical release, "Harry" fired 5 shots, not 6. The recent DVD added a sixth to the soundtrack. He fired 5 rounds single action and then cocked on the sixth. After not firing, he lowered the hammer, then cocked again which rotated the cylinder to a previously fired chamber, which enabled him to click on that empty chamber. The public is so dense that even Milius has given up arguing the point. --[[User:Sg688|Sg688]] ([[User talk:Sg688|talk]]) 21:09, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Crew visible? ==

In the closeup of the Type 2's bolt handle, there are several reflections that almost look like crew or film equipment. - [[User:Maxman|Maxman]] 1:07 8 September 2013 (EST)

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== Additional ==

[[Image:DH1S&W25-5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Callahan shows the punk he had indeed fired six shots. He cocks the hammer, but due to continuity error, the alternate angle shows him pull the trigger in double action.]]

== Only 6.5 inch barreled M29s were used. ==

I have seen numerous sources over the years state that 6.5 inch versions AND 8.3/8 versions were used in the movie. This is NOT correct. Only 6.5 versions were used.

I believe this rumour owes its existence to the football stadium scene where Harry chases down Scorpio onto the playing field and shoots him in the leg. The lens used to show Harry aiming the Model 29 at Scorpio distorts the perspective similar to a "fish eye" lens but not as severe. This has the effect of elongating the image of the Model 29.

However the easiest way to confirm the barrel length is to compare the length of the ramp base of the foresight blade to the gap between it and the front of the ejector shroud.
The ramp base would barely fit into the gap once. If the 8.3/8 barrel was used it would fit in almost twice.

Just examine the gap difference on any profile of the two variations. Even with the distortion in the scene the proportions stay the same.

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Red Heat

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Bo Nidle:

[[Image:Red_heat.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Red Heat'' (1988)]]
'''''Red Heat''''' is a 1988 action thriller that stars [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as Ivan Danko, a Moscow police officer who travels to Chicago to bring back notorious Soviet (Georgian) drug dealer Viktor Rostavili ([[Ed O'Ross]]). When Viktor escapes custody, Danko partners with Chicago PD Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) as they attempt to track him down. The movie was directed by [[Walter Hill]] from a screenplay written by Hill and Troy Kennedy Martin. This film was done while the Soviet Union still existed, thus it was extremely difficult for any U.S. movie armorer to get Soviet Bloc weapons, due to an ATF regulation (per State Department directive) that no weapons from any Communist bloc country be sold within the United States, (unless that country had signed a specific trade agreement, like China (Norinco), and Yugoslavia (Zastava imported by Mitchell Arms.)**
''**(Many AKMs (ARM/MISR) were imported from Egypt with no special agreement since Egypt was not a communist country, nor had ever been one.)''

Since the film depicted a Russian cop as a hero, the filmmakers actually secured permission to do some filming in Moscow and the soldiers marching in Red Square were real, as were their Parade SKS rifles. The other snowbound filming took place in Budapest, Hungary, which is why so many of the 'Soviet' Police (aka Militsia) were carrying FEG PA-63 Pistols (from Hungarian Weapons Armorers).

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=Pistols=
== Podbyrin 9.2mm (mocked up Desert Eagle .357) ==
The fictional [[(Red Heat) - Podbyrin 9.2 mm Pistol|Podbyrin 9.2mm Pistol]], which is actually a modified [[Desert Eagle Mark I]] .357 Magnum to look more like a Soviet weapon, is the main weapon for Captain Ivan Danko ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) for much of the film, until he gets it taken away, due to his lack of a diplomatic license.

Director Walter Hill wanted a "P38 but bigger and meaner. A P38 on Steroids", so movie armorer Tim LaFrance built three guns he named "The Hollywood Eagle". He used the Desert Eagle .357 Mk I pistols as a base and had to modify the entire profile to resemble a large [[Walther P38]]. According to LaFrance, the most difficult part of the blank adaption conversion was the gas porting.
[[Image:MKIRight.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Podbyrin9 2mmPistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'Podbyrin 9.2mm']]
[[Image:RH-Pod01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko searches for Viktor 'Rosta' Rostavili with his fictional Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-Pod02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko shoots and kills Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) with his Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko loading up his Podbyrin 9.2mm in Chicago.]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Locking and loading the Podbyrin 9.2mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Montage of Danko in Chicago with the Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew02 02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commander Lou Donnelly ([[Peter Boyle]]) confiscates the Podbyrin 9.2mm from Danko for legal reasons.]]

== BTJ DA38 ==
The [[DA38 Derringer|BTJ DA38]], a.k.a "sleeve pistol" is used by Viktor "Rosta" Rostavili ([[Ed O'Ross]]). It was modified by Tim La France, who also modified the Desert Eagle, and made the sleeve device (a la ''[[Taxi Driver]]''). The barrel of the derringer was cut off and a new one with a bore larger than a 12 gauge was machined, welded and blended into the original contours.
[[Image:DA38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DA38 O/U derringer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-ModDerringer04a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Closeup View of Rosta's heavily modified BTJ-DA38 with the enlarged barrel opening]]
[[Image:RH-ModDerringerFireA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Rosta's heavily modified BTJ-DA38 as it "fires" indicates that the flashes are small pyrotechnical charges (like a road flare) rather than actual blank ammunition fire.]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerArm01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Attaching the less than practical "suppressor" by simply snapping it into the barrel.]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerArmAssemblyiA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A side shot of the sleeve device]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerRostovShoot03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rosta kills again, now in Chicago with the BTJ DA38. In every scene where Rosta "fires" the gun, he fires three times without reloading, which is another Hollywood impossibility.]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
One of the weapons employed by Viktor 'Rosta' Rostavili are a pair of [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] pistols - one with a black slide, the other with a Stainless slide.
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9 hallwaya.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Viktor Rosta ([[Ed O'Ross]]) looks back with his standard Heckler & Koch P9S Pistol]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9 CloseupA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Rosta's hands as he racks the slide of the Stainless steel slide H&K P9S Pistol]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9Duo 02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Viktor Rosta ([[Ed O'Ross]]) with both guns, ready for a fight.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Several [[Taurus PT99]] pistols are used by the hit squad of Cleanheads sent after Danko in his hotel room.
[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPairPt01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPT99 Apta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPT99 CLoseupA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Clear view of the adjustable rear sight]]

==Colt Government==
A nickel [[Colt Government Model]] (commercial M1911A1) by one of the Cleanheads sent to kill Danko, in his hotel room.
[[Image:NickelPlatedM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 nickel plated with brown grips - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedHeat hallway guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the Cleanheads sent after Danko has a nickel plated Colt Government. Two other Cleanheads have PT-92s and one holds a two tone Colt Combat Commander.]]
[[Image:RedHeat Colt Government and Taurus girl.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government held by the Cleanhead closest to the wall.]]
[[Image:RedHear Colt Government and Taurus Cleanheads.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man on the far left holds the nickel plated Colt Government.]]

==Colt Combat Commander==
A [[Colt Combat Commander]] is held by one of the Cleanheads while outside Danko's hotel room.
[[Image:Colt Combat Commander .45acp (dual-tone finish) (frame polished and Parkerized components).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Combat Commander, two-tone finish (polished frame and parkerized slide/components) - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedHeat hallway guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the Cleanheads sent after Danko has a two tone Colt Combat Commander. Two other Cleanheads have PT-92s and one holds a nickel plated Colt Government.]]

==Beretta 92F==
A [[Beretta 92F]] is used by Josip Barada (Tengiz Borisoff) dressed in drag as a female nurse, to shoot at Danko in the hospital corridor.
[[Image:Beretta92F LeftSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-Beretta92FS01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Rosta's henchmen, dressed as a female nurse, fires his Beretta 92F at Danko.]]
[[Image:RH-Beretta92FSa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Josip Barada crashes through the glass door, shot several times by Danko, the Beretta 92F clearly falling to his side.]]

==FEG PA-63==
Used by nearly all parties (other than Danko) during the shootout after the fight in the Druzba Cafe. This entire sequence was filmed in Budapest, Hungary, and used Hungarian Armorers. This explains why the so-called Russian police officers are using Hungarian pistols.
[[Image:FEG PA63.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FEG PA-63 - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PA63a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Danko's fellow Russian police officers runs up with his PA-63.]]
[[Image:RH-RBGun01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) stumbles down the stairs after being shot in the leg, with his PA-63.]]
[[Image:RH-RBGun03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) makes a final stand with his FEG PA-63.]]

==Wz. 64==
Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) uses an [[P-64|Wz. 64]] pistol while in pursuit of Viktor Rosta in the snow.
[[Image:PolishP64.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Pistolet wzór 64 with spare magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) yells for Danko to follow him, with his Wz. 64.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) chases Rosta with his Polish Pistolet wzór 64.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistolFF05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) with his Wz. 64. The nose of the slide is thicker and the barrel in more inset than a PM.]]

=Revolvers=
==Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snubnose==
A Snubnosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] with Pachmayr combat grips, is the sidearm of Chicago Police Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) in the movie.
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose with Pachmayr grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) takes aim at the Cleanhead Apartment with his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66Outside2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"You look like Marvin Hagler. I lost money on Hagler!!"'']]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66StreetNighta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) takes cover from a gun toting Rosta while holding his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić aims his Model 66.]]
(Note to site admin: This section needs amending. Belushi's revolver is NOT a K framed S&W Model 66, it is clearly an N frame S&W as evidenced by the slab sided section of the cylinder crane and sheer size of the revolver. It appears to be a 3 inch barreled Model 629 (629-1?)or similar).

==Smith & Wesson Model 29==
One of the guns used by Danko is the [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]]. Though Ridžić gives Danko the revolver, he gives him no spare ammunition, so in typical "Hollywood" fashion, Danko regardless fires eighteen shots out of the six shot revolver without reloading.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 29, 6.5" barrel - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29Apt 01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko searches the hotel hallways with his S&W Model 29.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29 Apt08a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Montage of Danko with his S&W Model 29.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29 01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"Who is Dirty Harry?"'']]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36 "Chief's Special"==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is carried by Lieutenant Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) during the raid on the Cleanhead Apartment. A nickel version is carried by Detective Sergeant Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]).
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel36ChiefHallwaya.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) readies himself to raid a Cleanhead apartment with his S&W Model 36 'Chiefs Special". It is curious why the Lt. would choose to kick in the door of an armed gang with only a five shot .38 special revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel36a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) reacts to the fleeing Cleanhead.]]
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36, nickel finish - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his nickel S&W Model 36.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his nickel S&W Model 36.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]] is used by Cleanheads and one of Rosta's henchmen when they break Viktor Rosta free.
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586Holstera.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cleanheads, impersonating security guards have S&W Model 586s holstered before Viktor Rosta's breakout.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586PistolWhip01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cleanhead pistol whips Det. Sgt. Gallagher with his S&W Model 586.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of of Viktor Rosta's Georgian Gangmembers, Pytor Tatomovich ([[Roger Callard]]), fires the shots that kill Gallagher with his S&W Model 586. Actor Roger Callard is a fellow bodybuilder and many of Schwarzenegger's bodybuilding buddies make appearances in his films.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 38 "Bodyguard"==
A nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 38]] is carried by a hooker in her purse and used to save Danko's life, but later is discarded in the Hotel room. This was probably an attempt to disassociate herself with the killing, but to no avail, since she is questioned about shooting the Cleanhead by the CPD later. The hooker was played by actress [[Gretchen Palmer]] who would later become a familiar face on television.
[[File:S&WModel38Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 38 (Airweight version), nickel with pearl grips - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel38NickelBodyGuardA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nickel plated S&W Model 38 "Bodyguard" is pulled from a purse.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel38BodyguardGirla.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The hooker (Gretchen Palmer) fires her S&W Model 38 "Bodyguard" hammerless revolver while cowering behind a nightstand.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
A [[Remington 870]] is seen in the hands of a Cleanhead during a Chicago Police raid on a Cleanheads' apartment. It appears to be a Remington 870 with the early 1980s style combat rig, extended magazine tube and sling loop, however this one has a pistol grip only. A very similar setup is used by Schwarzenegger as John Matrix in ''[[Commando]]''.
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun4a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun5a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun6a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=
==SKS==
[[SKS rifle]]s are carried by Red Square parade soldiers during the title sequence.
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian Simonov Type 45 aka the Russian SKS rifle - 7.62x39mm. The Russian SKS has a milled receiver and a blade bayonet. The rifles were issued with hardwood or laminated stocks. This example has a hardwood stock.]]
[[Image:RH-SKSParade01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers in full parade dress march with polished Simonov SKS-45 Carbine with laminate stocks.]]
[[Image:RH-SKSParade02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Closer shot of the SKS.]]

==M16A1==
An [[M16A1]] or a similar AR-15 rifle variant is carried by a Cleanhead.
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RH-Cleanhead AR-15a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man in the back to the right, carries a full sized M16A1 with triangular forearm.]]

==CAR-15 Variant==
A [[CAR-15]] variant is seen in the hands of the Cleanheads during a brokered truce.
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Sporter I Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike with a slipover Flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RH-Cleanhead-CAR15a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man standing to the left behind the leader holds a CAR-15 variant. It looks to be a modified SP1 Sporter Carbine with slab side receiver.]]

==AK-47==
Seen in the hands of the Cleanheads during a brokered truce.
[[Image:RH-CleanheadAK47a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A hard to identify AK-47 variant is held by a Cleanhead. It is most likely a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle, but it cannot be verified since the man is seen from a distance in the film and only briefly.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch HK94==
A full length [[Heckler & Koch HK94]] is seen held by a Cleanhead. It has the ventilated barrel shroud and foregrip, as seen in Schwarzenegger's previous films ''[[Raw Deal]]'' and ''[[The Running Man]]''.
[[Image:H%26K_94.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch 94 carbine with front pistol grip & barrel jacket. This modification was common and often seen firing full auto in movies of the 1980s.]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadsHK94a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A cleanhead to the right holds the HK94 Carbine. His version has the ventilated head shroud and foregrip, seen in the films ''[[Raw Deal]]'' and ''[[The Running Man]]''.]]

=Other=
==The Cleanhead Apartment Arsenal==
[[Image:RH-CleanheadsSofaArsenala.jpg|thumb|none|500px|From left to right: [[Mossberg 500]] with a pistol grip and wooden pump, a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]], an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun, another [[Mossberg 500]] with a pistol grip and wooden pump, two [[Colt Python]] revolvers, one stainless, one blued, a [[Taurus PT99]], a [[Smith & Wesson 39]], a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] (note the "HK" logo on the handgun's grip), and an unknown Colt revolver.]]

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Red Heat

2017-06-23T22:46:52Z

Bo Nidle:

[[Image:Red_heat.jpg|thumb|300px|right| ''Red Heat'' (1988)]]
'''''Red Heat''''' is a 1988 action thriller that stars [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]] as Ivan Danko, a Moscow police officer who travels to Chicago to bring back notorious Soviet (Georgian) drug dealer Viktor Rostavili ([[Ed O'Ross]]). When Viktor escapes custody, Danko partners with Chicago PD Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) as they attempt to track him down. The movie was directed by [[Walter Hill]] from a screenplay written by Hill and Troy Kennedy Martin. This film was done while the Soviet Union still existed, thus it was extremely difficult for any U.S. movie armorer to get Soviet Bloc weapons, due to an ATF regulation (per State Department directive) that no weapons from any Communist bloc country be sold within the United States, (unless that country had signed a specific trade agreement, like China (Norinco), and Yugoslavia (Zastava imported by Mitchell Arms.)**
''**(Many AKMs (ARM/MISR) were imported from Egypt with no special agreement since Egypt was not a communist country, nor had ever been one.)''

Since the film depicted a Russian cop as a hero, the filmmakers actually secured permission to do some filming in Moscow and the soldiers marching in Red Square were real, as were their Parade SKS rifles. The other snowbound filming took place in Budapest, Hungary, which is why so many of the 'Soviet' Police (aka Militsia) were carrying FEG PA-63 Pistols (from Hungarian Weapons Armorers).

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=Pistols=
== Podbyrin 9.2mm (mocked up Desert Eagle .357) ==
The fictional [[(Red Heat) - Podbyrin 9.2 mm Pistol|Podbyrin 9.2mm Pistol]], which is actually a modified [[Desert Eagle Mark I]] .357 Magnum to look more like a Soviet weapon, is the main weapon for Captain Ivan Danko ([[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]) for much of the film, until he gets it taken away, due to his lack of a diplomatic license.

Director Walter Hill wanted a "P38 but bigger and meaner. A P38 on Steroids", so movie armorer Tim LaFrance built three guns he named "The Hollywood Eagle". He used the Desert Eagle .357 Mk I pistols as a base and had to modify the entire profile to resemble a large [[Walther P38]]. According to LaFrance, the most difficult part of the blank adaption conversion was the gas porting.
[[Image:MKIRight.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Magnum Research Desert Eagle MK I - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Podbyrin9 2mmPistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'Podbyrin 9.2mm']]
[[Image:RH-Pod01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko searches for Viktor 'Rosta' Rostavili with his fictional Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-Pod02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko shoots and kills Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) with his Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko loading up his Podbyrin 9.2mm in Chicago.]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Locking and loading the Podbyrin 9.2mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Montage of Danko in Chicago with the Podbyrin 9.2mm]]
[[Image:RH-PodNew02 02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Commander Lou Donnelly ([[Peter Boyle]]) confiscates the Podbyrin 9.2mm from Danko for legal reasons.]]

== BTJ DA38 ==
The [[DA38 Derringer|BTJ DA38]], a.k.a "sleeve pistol" is used by Viktor "Rosta" Rostavili ([[Ed O'Ross]]). It was modified by Tim La France, who also modified the Desert Eagle, and made the sleeve device (a la ''[[Taxi Driver]]''). The barrel of the derringer was cut off and a new one with a bore larger than a 12 gauge was machined, welded and blended into the original contours.
[[Image:DA38.jpg|thumb|none|300px|DA38 O/U derringer - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-ModDerringer04a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Closeup View of Rosta's heavily modified BTJ-DA38 with the enlarged barrel opening]]
[[Image:RH-ModDerringerFireA.jpg‎ |thumb|none|500px|Rosta's heavily modified BTJ-DA38 as it "fires" indicates that the flashes are small pyrotechnical charges (like a road flare) rather than actual blank ammunition fire.]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerArm01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Attaching the less than practical "suppressor" by simply snapping it into the barrel.]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerArmAssemblyiA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A side shot of the sleeve device]]
[[Image:RH-DerringerRostovShoot03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Rosta kills again, now in Chicago with the BTJ DA38. In every scene where Rosta "fires" the gun, he fires three times without reloading, which is another Hollywood impossibility.]]

==Heckler & Koch P9S==
One of the weapons employed by Viktor 'Rosta' Rostavili are a pair of [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] pistols - one with a black slide, the other with a Stainless slide.
[[Image:Hk-p9s-1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Heckler & Koch P9S - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9 hallwaya.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Viktor Rosta ([[Ed O'Ross]]) looks back with his standard Heckler & Koch P9S Pistol]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9 CloseupA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A closeup of Rosta's hands as he racks the slide of the Stainless steel slide H&K P9S Pistol]]
[[Image:RH-HKP9Duo 02a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Viktor Rosta ([[Ed O'Ross]]) with both guns, ready for a fight.]]

==Taurus PT99==
Several [[Taurus PT99]] pistols are used by the hit squad of Cleanheads sent after Danko in his hotel room.
[[Image:MindPt99.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Taurus PT99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPairPt01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPT99 Apta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-TaurusPT99 CLoseupA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Clear view of the adjustable rear sight]]

==Colt Government==
A nickel [[Colt Government Model]] (commercial M1911A1) by one of the Cleanheads sent to kill Danko, in his hotel room.
[[Image:NickelPlatedM1911A1.jpg|thumb|none|300px|M1911A1 nickel plated with brown grips - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedHeat hallway guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the Cleanheads sent after Danko has a nickel plated Colt Government. Two other Cleanheads have PT-92s and one holds a two tone Colt Combat Commander.]]
[[Image:RedHeat Colt Government and Taurus girl.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Colt Government held by the Cleanhead closest to the wall.]]
[[Image:RedHear Colt Government and Taurus Cleanheads.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man on the far left holds the nickel plated Colt Government.]]

==Colt Combat Commander==
A [[Colt Combat Commander]] is held by one of the Cleanheads while outside Danko's hotel room.
[[Image:Colt Combat Commander .45acp (dual-tone finish) (frame polished and Parkerized components).jpg|thumb|none|300px|Colt Combat Commander, two-tone finish (polished frame and parkerized slide/components) - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:RedHeat hallway guns.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of the Cleanheads sent after Danko has a two tone Colt Combat Commander. Two other Cleanheads have PT-92s and one holds a nickel plated Colt Government.]]

==Beretta 92F==
A [[Beretta 92F]] is used by Josip Barada (Tengiz Borisoff) dressed in drag as a female nurse, to shoot at Danko in the hospital corridor.
[[Image:Beretta92F LeftSide.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 92F - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:RH-Beretta92FS01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Rosta's henchmen, dressed as a female nurse, fires his Beretta 92F at Danko.]]
[[Image:RH-Beretta92FSa.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Josip Barada crashes through the glass door, shot several times by Danko, the Beretta 92F clearly falling to his side.]]

==FEG PA-63==
Used by nearly all parties (other than Danko) during the shootout after the fight in the Druzba Cafe. This entire sequence was filmed in Budapest, Hungary, and used Hungarian Armorers. This explains why the so-called Russian police officers are using Hungarian pistols.
[[Image:FEG PA63.jpg|thumb|none|300px|FEG PA-63 - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PA63a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of Danko's fellow Russian police officers runs up with his PA-63.]]
[[Image:RH-RBGun01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) stumbles down the stairs after being shot in the leg, with his PA-63.]]
[[Image:RH-RBGun03a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Vitkor's brother, Vagran Rostavili ([[Gábor Koncz]]) makes a final stand with his FEG PA-63.]]

==Wz. 64==
Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) uses an [[P-64|Wz. 64]] pistol while in pursuit of Viktor Rosta in the snow.
[[Image:PolishP64.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Pistolet wzór 64 with spare magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) yells for Danko to follow him, with his Wz. 64.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) chases Rosta with his Polish Pistolet wzór 64.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistolFF05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) with his Wz. 64. The nose of the slide is thicker and the barrel in more inset than a PM.]]

=Revolvers=
==Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snubnose==
A Snubnosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] with Pachmayr combat grips, is the sidearm of Chicago Police Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) in the movie.
[[Image:Mod66wPachmayr.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub Nose with Pachmayr grips - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) takes aim at the Cleanhead Apartment with his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66Outside2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"You look like Marvin Hagler. I lost money on Hagler!!"'']]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66StreetNighta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) takes cover from a gun toting Rosta while holding his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić aims his Model 66.]]
(Note to site admin: This section needs amending. Belushi's revolver is NOT a K framed S&W Model 66, it is clearly an N frame S&W as evidenced by the slab sided section of the cylinder crane and sheer size of the revolver. It appears to be a short barreled (custom?) Model 629 or similar).

==Smith & Wesson Model 29==
One of the guns used by Danko is the [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]]. Though Ridžić gives Danko the revolver, he gives him no spare ammunition, so in typical "Hollywood" fashion, Danko regardless fires eighteen shots out of the six shot revolver without reloading.
[[Image:Smith&WessonModel29.jpg|thumb|none|350px|Smith & Wesson Model 29, 6.5" barrel - .44 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29Apt 01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko searches the hotel hallways with his S&W Model 29.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29 Apt08a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Montage of Danko with his S&W Model 29.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel29 01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|''"Who is Dirty Harry?"'']]

==Smith & Wesson Model 36 "Chief's Special"==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]] is carried by Lieutenant Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) during the raid on the Cleanhead Apartment. A nickel version is carried by Detective Sergeant Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]).
[[Image:S&W 36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36 - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel36ChiefHallwaya.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) readies himself to raid a Cleanhead apartment with his S&W Model 36 'Chiefs Special". It is curious why the Lt. would choose to kick in the door of an armed gang with only a five shot .38 special revolver.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel36a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Lt. Charlie Stobbs ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) reacts to the fleeing Cleanhead.]]
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 36, nickel finish - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his nickel S&W Model 36.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his nickel S&W Model 36.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 586==
A [[Smith & Wesson Model 586]] is used by Cleanheads and one of Rosta's henchmen when they break Viktor Rosta free.
[[Image:S&W Mod586.jpg|300px|thumb|none|Smith & Wesson Model 586 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586Holstera.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cleanheads, impersonating security guards have S&W Model 586s holstered before Viktor Rosta's breakout.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586PistolWhip01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Cleanhead pistol whips Det. Sgt. Gallagher with his S&W Model 586.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel586a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|One of of Viktor Rosta's Georgian Gangmembers, Pytor Tatomovich ([[Roger Callard]]), fires the shots that kill Gallagher with his S&W Model 586. Actor Roger Callard is a fellow bodybuilder and many of Schwarzenegger's bodybuilding buddies make appearances in his films.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 38 "Bodyguard"==
A nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 38]] is carried by a hooker in her purse and used to save Danko's life, but later is discarded in the Hotel room. This was probably an attempt to disassociate herself with the killing, but to no avail, since she is questioned about shooting the Cleanhead by the CPD later. The hooker was played by actress [[Gretchen Palmer]] who would later become a familiar face on television.
[[File:S&WModel38Nickel.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 38 (Airweight version), nickel with pearl grips - .38 Special]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel38NickelBodyGuardA.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A Nickel plated S&W Model 38 "Bodyguard" is pulled from a purse.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel38BodyguardGirla.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The hooker (Gretchen Palmer) fires her S&W Model 38 "Bodyguard" hammerless revolver while cowering behind a nightstand.]]

=Shotguns=
==Remington 870==
A [[Remington 870]] is seen in the hands of a Cleanhead during a Chicago Police raid on a Cleanheads' apartment. It appears to be a Remington 870 with the early 1980s style combat rig, extended magazine tube and sling loop, however this one has a pistol grip only. A very similar setup is used by Schwarzenegger as John Matrix in ''[[Commando]]''.
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun4a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun5a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadShotgun6a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]

=Rifles=
==SKS==
[[SKS rifle]]s are carried by Red Square parade soldiers during the title sequence.
[[Image:Simonov-Russian-SKS45.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Russian Simonov Type 45 aka the Russian SKS rifle - 7.62x39mm. The Russian SKS has a milled receiver and a blade bayonet. The rifles were issued with hardwood or laminated stocks. This example has a hardwood stock.]]
[[Image:RH-SKSParade01a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Soldiers in full parade dress march with polished Simonov SKS-45 Carbine with laminate stocks.]]
[[Image:RH-SKSParade02a.jpg‎|thumb|none|500px|Closer shot of the SKS.]]

==M16A1==
An [[M16A1]] or a similar AR-15 rifle variant is carried by a Cleanhead.
[[Image:M16A1w30rdMag.jpg|thumb|none|500px|M16A1 with 30 Round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RH-Cleanhead AR-15a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man in the back to the right, carries a full sized M16A1 with triangular forearm.]]

==CAR-15 Variant==
A [[CAR-15]] variant is seen in the hands of the Cleanheads during a brokered truce.
[[Image:FakeXM177.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Colt Sporter I Carbine - converted into an XM177 Lookalike with a slipover Flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:RH-Cleanhead-CAR15a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The man standing to the left behind the leader holds a CAR-15 variant. It looks to be a modified SP1 Sporter Carbine with slab side receiver.]]

==AK-47==
Seen in the hands of the Cleanheads during a brokered truce.
[[Image:RH-CleanheadAK47a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A hard to identify AK-47 variant is held by a Cleanhead. It is most likely a [[Norinco Type 56]] rifle, but it cannot be verified since the man is seen from a distance in the film and only briefly.]]

=Submachine Guns=
==Heckler & Koch HK94==
A full length [[Heckler & Koch HK94]] is seen held by a Cleanhead. It has the ventilated barrel shroud and foregrip, as seen in Schwarzenegger's previous films ''[[Raw Deal]]'' and ''[[The Running Man]]''.
[[Image:H%26K_94.JPG|thumb|450px|none|Heckler & Koch 94 carbine with front pistol grip & barrel jacket. This modification was common and often seen firing full auto in movies of the 1980s.]]
[[Image:RH-CleanheadsHK94a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|A cleanhead to the right holds the HK94 Carbine. His version has the ventilated head shroud and foregrip, seen in the films ''[[Raw Deal]]'' and ''[[The Running Man]]''.]]

=Other=
==The Cleanhead Apartment Arsenal==
[[Image:RH-CleanheadsSofaArsenala.jpg|thumb|none|500px|From left to right: [[Mossberg 500]] with a pistol grip and wooden pump, a [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]], an [[Ithaca 37]] shotgun, another [[Mossberg 500]] with a pistol grip and wooden pump, two [[Colt Python]] revolvers, one stainless, one blued, a [[Taurus PT99]], a [[Smith & Wesson 39]], a [[Heckler & Koch P9S]] (note the "HK" logo on the handgun's grip), and an unknown Colt revolver.]]

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Talk:Red Heat

2016-06-18T01:03:22Z

Bo Nidle: /* Model 66 or 629? */

== Question about the Sleeve Device ==

If anyone can answer this, how does a sleeve device work? I've been wondering how he can pull the gun out from under his sleeve. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:Spring-loaded.-protoAuthor

== Model 66 or 629? ==
I moved this to the discussion page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A Snubnosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] with Pachmayr combat grips, is the sidearm of Chicago Police Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) in the movie.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub with 2" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[Jim Belushi]]) takes aim at the Cleanhead Apartment with his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66Outside2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''''"You look like Marvin Hagler. I lost money on Hagler!!"''''' ]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66StreetNighta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[Jim Belushi]]) takes cover from a gun toting Rosta while holding his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver - .357 Magnum]]

- Looks too big to be a K-Frame S&W 66. You can also tell by the barrel and the subtle difference in the shape of the ejector shroud (compared to a 2.5" Model 66 barrel.) that it is probably an N-Frame 629 with 3" barrel in .44 Magnum. This makes sense if Belushi's character gives Arnie a full-sized Model 29. He probably really liked the "big" Magnums! - --[[User:Sidspappy|sidspappy]] 20:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think you're on to something there!!!! :) Something to look into! I will try to find a 629 snubbie to photograph for comparison! THANKS! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I also believe it is a Smith & Wesson model 629 with a three inch barrel. Another possibility is the .44 Special N frame M624. However, I cannot see the typical barrel taper of the M624 in the pictures and the cylinder also seems to fill the frame almost completely. The model 624 features a slightly shorter cylinder, as the .44 Special rounds are shorter in length as well.
[[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
I took this screencap only to show the muzzle. Looks like a .357 to me not a .44. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:After comparing the 66 to the 629, I agree with Predator. This is definitely a model 66. 1) the muzzle is definitely that of a .357 revolver. 2) the barrel on Belushi's gun looks a bit too long to be a 629, but it looks EXACTLY like a model 66. The first shot is a dead giveaway. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:M6293.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

I would agree that in many of the shots it looks like a 629 with a 3inch barrel, they existed at the time, and in the first shots the barrel and the cylinder appear too large for a .357, the gun itself is too large as well. Belushi has large hands but that gun seems to dwarf them. In the final picture I could see how that is a .357, but the first shots are without a doubt a .44 [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 18:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

While in some of the shots the gun seems large. I don't think people realize that k-frames like the Model 66 or 19 are full size guns. A snub-nose Model 66 or 19 is not the same size as a j-frame Model 36. Here is a pic below for comparison. Now if the gun Belushi is using is an n-frame, I think it would be a Model 27 - .357 with a stainless finish. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SW66vSW36.JPG||thumb|none|500px|SW66 v SW36]]

We understand perfectly, but the barrel size is just too large, I have rather large hands myself and I own a full size revolver, and my hands make that gun seem diminutive. My point is not that I think you are wrong with the muzzle shots, but the others that gun is too large.[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

I don't think Ridžić used the model 66. He definitely used a .44 Mag. He most likely used the S&W 629 3" barrel w/ different grips. He didnt use a .357 [[User:ErikSantiago|ErikSantiago]]

Belushi used a .357 Model 66 snub nose in the movie. He did not use a .44. For a good example, look at the size of the cylinder when he hands Schwarzenegger a real .44 Magnum in the car - it's huge! Definitely bigger than the gun Belushi uses. I think the confusion stems from one of the promotional materials included in the dvd where Belushi pulls out his .357 and calls it the "Magnum .44" for the interview in order to pump up the movie. It's a Model 66 .357. The page needs to be changed.

Definitely NOT a K frame model 66. It is an N frame. The easiest way to differentiate between the K and the N frames is the section of cylinder crane between the cylinder and the ejection rod shroud and corresponding section of frame on the opposite side. On the K frame it is curved in shape, on the N frame it is a flat square. Belushi's gun has a very obvious flat square. That and the size of the revolver show it to be an N frame without question. Probably, as already stated, a Model 629 with a three inch barrel. [[User:Bo_Nidle|Bo_Nidle]]

==Model 64 or 60?==
* Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) carries what looks like a S&W Model 10 snubnose, except in Stainless steel, which would make it the S&W Model 64.
:The cylinder looks like it only holds five shots, meaning it would be the Model 60 snub. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::It may be, but it also looks like a 6 shot to me. It's always hard since actors have different sized hands and this looks larger than a Model 60 to me. I will scroll through the film again and scan for better pics of the cylinder. -[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think its a Model 64. On a Model 60, when looking at the gun from the right side, you cannot see the ejector rod, but on a Model 64, you can. Notice how can most definitely see the ejector rod on Gallagher's gun. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You can't see the ejector rod here]]
[[Image:S&W64Snub.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You CAN see the ejector rod here]]
Actually, looking at it now, while you can see the ejector rod, the barrel on Gallagher's gun is a little too long to be a model 64. But it IS the right size for a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]], which also has the ejector rod exposed on the right side. That's definitely the gun that Gallagher uses. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The barrel is the right size and the ejector rod is exposed. This is definitely the right gun used]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl]]

==Polish P-64==
The gun listed as a Hungarian FEG MAK380 used by a Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) actually appears to be a polish gun called P-64.
[[Image:PolishP64.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Polish P-64 with spare magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) yells for Danko to follow him, with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) chases Rosta with his Polish P-64 - 9x18mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistolFF05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]]

==M1911A1 - Two Tone ==
:Based on the length of the slide and the ring hammer, I'd say it's a Commander. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

Talk:Red Heat

2016-06-18T01:01:17Z

Bo Nidle: /* Model 66 or 629? */

== Question about the Sleeve Device ==

If anyone can answer this, how does a sleeve device work? I've been wondering how he can pull the gun out from under his sleeve. -[[User:500Magnum|500Magnum]]
:Spring-loaded.-protoAuthor

== Model 66 or 629? ==
I moved this to the discussion page. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 19:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

A Snubnosed [[Smith & Wesson Model 66]] with Pachmayr combat grips, is the sidearm of Chicago Police Detective Art Ridžić ([[James Belushi]]) in the movie.
[[Image:Smith-&-Wesson-686.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub with 2" barrel - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[Jim Belushi]]) takes aim at the Cleanhead Apartment with his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66Outside2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|'''''"You look like Marvin Hagler. I lost money on Hagler!!"''''' ]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel66StreetNighta.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Ridžić ([[Jim Belushi]]) takes cover from a gun toting Rosta while holding his Smith & Wesson Model 66 Snub nose revolver - .357 Magnum]]

- Looks too big to be a K-Frame S&W 66. You can also tell by the barrel and the subtle difference in the shape of the ejector shroud (compared to a 2.5" Model 66 barrel.) that it is probably an N-Frame 629 with 3" barrel in .44 Magnum. This makes sense if Belushi's character gives Arnie a full-sized Model 29. He probably really liked the "big" Magnums! - --[[User:Sidspappy|sidspappy]] 20:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
::I think you're on to something there!!!! :) Something to look into! I will try to find a 629 snubbie to photograph for comparison! THANKS! [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 01:52, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I also believe it is a Smith & Wesson model 629 with a three inch barrel. Another possibility is the .44 Special N frame M624. However, I cannot see the typical barrel taper of the M624 in the pictures and the cylinder also seems to fill the frame almost completely. The model 624 features a slightly shorter cylinder, as the .44 Special rounds are shorter in length as well.
[[Image:RH-SW66-4.jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
I took this screencap only to show the muzzle. Looks like a .357 to me not a .44. -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 17:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:After comparing the 66 to the 629, I agree with Predator. This is definitely a model 66. 1) the muzzle is definitely that of a .357 revolver. 2) the barrel on Belushi's gun looks a bit too long to be a 629, but it looks EXACTLY like a model 66. The first shot is a dead giveaway. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 18:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:M6293.jpg|thumb|none|400px]]

I would agree that in many of the shots it looks like a 629 with a 3inch barrel, they existed at the time, and in the first shots the barrel and the cylinder appear too large for a .357, the gun itself is too large as well. Belushi has large hands but that gun seems to dwarf them. In the final picture I could see how that is a .357, but the first shots are without a doubt a .44 [[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]] 18:36, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

While in some of the shots the gun seems large. I don't think people realize that k-frames like the Model 66 or 19 are full size guns. A snub-nose Model 66 or 19 is not the same size as a j-frame Model 36. Here is a pic below for comparison. Now if the gun Belushi is using is an n-frame, I think it would be a Model 27 - .357 with a stainless finish. --[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:SW66vSW36.JPG||thumb|none|500px|SW66 v SW36]]

We understand perfectly, but the barrel size is just too large, I have rather large hands myself and I own a full size revolver, and my hands make that gun seem diminutive. My point is not that I think you are wrong with the muzzle shots, but the others that gun is too large.[[User:RedJedRevolver|RedJedRevolver]]

I don't think Ridžić used the model 66. He definitely used a .44 Mag. He most likely used the S&W 629 3" barrel w/ different grips. He didnt use a .357 [[User:ErikSantiago|ErikSantiago]]

Belushi used a .357 Model 66 snub nose in the movie. He did not use a .44. For a good example, look at the size of the cylinder when he hands Schwarzenegger a real .44 Magnum in the car - it's huge! Definitely bigger than the gun Belushi uses. I think the confusion stems from one of the promotional materials included in the dvd where Belushi pulls out his .357 and calls it the "Magnum .44" for the interview in order to pump up the movie. It's a Model 66 .357. The page needs to be changed.

Definitely NOT a K frame model 66. It is an N frame. The easiest way to differentiate between the K and the N frames is the section of cylinder crane between the cylinder and the ejection rod shroud and corresponding section of frame on the opposite side. On the K frame it is curved in shape, on the N frame it is a flat square. Belushi's gun has a very obvious flat square. That and the size of the revolver show it to be an N frame without question. Probably, as already stated, a Model 629 with a three inch barrel.

==Model 64 or 60?==
* Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) carries what looks like a S&W Model 10 snubnose, except in Stainless steel, which would make it the S&W Model 64.
:The cylinder looks like it only holds five shots, meaning it would be the Model 60 snub. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]
::It may be, but it also looks like a 6 shot to me. It's always hard since actors have different sized hands and this looks larger than a Model 60 to me. I will scroll through the film again and scan for better pics of the cylinder. -[[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 04:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:I think its a Model 64. On a Model 60, when looking at the gun from the right side, you cannot see the ejector rod, but on a Model 64, you can. Notice how can most definitely see the ejector rod on Gallagher's gun. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Smith wesson 60.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You can't see the ejector rod here]]
[[Image:S&W64Snub.jpg|thumb|none|400px|You CAN see the ejector rod here]]
Actually, looking at it now, while you can see the ejector rod, the barrel on Gallagher's gun is a little too long to be a model 64. But it IS the right size for a nickel [[Smith & Wesson Model 36]], which also has the ejector rod exposed on the right side. That's definitely the gun that Gallagher uses. -[[User:Gunman69|Gunman69]] 07:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:StainlessS&WModel36.jpg|thumb|none|400px|The barrel is the right size and the ejector rod is exposed. This is definitely the right gun used]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) ready in the hallway with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl.]]
[[Image:RH-S&WModel-64 3a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Det. Sgt. Gallagher ([[Richard Bright]]) makes an arrest with his S&W Model 64 - .38 spl]]

==Polish P-64==
The gun listed as a Hungarian FEG MAK380 used by a Russian police officer Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) actually appears to be a polish gun called P-64.
[[Image:PolishP64.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Polish P-64 with spare magazine - 9x18mm Makarov]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol2a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) yells for Danko to follow him, with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistol03a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) chases Rosta with his Polish P-64 - 9x18mm.]]
[[Image:RH-PolicePistolFF05a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Danko's partner Yuri Ogarkov ([[Oleg Vidov]]) with his P-64 - 9x18mm.]]

==M1911A1 - Two Tone ==
:Based on the length of the slide and the ring hammer, I'd say it's a Commander. - [[User:Gunmaster45|Gunmaster45]]

2 Days in the Valley

2011-01-06T20:40:41Z

Bo Nidle:

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[2 Days in the Valley]]'':'''
[[Image:2DaysInTheValley.jpg‎|right|300px|''2 Days in the Valley'' (1996)]]

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== Beretta 950 Jetfire ==
When Helga Svelgen ([[Charlize Theron]]) and Becky Foxx ([[Teri Hatcher]]) fight in the hotel room, Helga goes to her purse and pulls out her .25 [[Beretta Jetfire]]. She and Becky then fight over it before a gunshot goes off. As Becky runs out of the hotel room, Helga fires the Beretta at her.
[[Image:PicB_950_jetfire.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 950 Jetfire .25 ACP]]

[[Image:2d7.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Helga ([[Charlize Theron]]) and Becky ([[Teri Hatcher]]) fight over the [[Beretta Jetfire]] in .25 ACP.]]

==Colt Junior==
Teddy Peppers ([[Paul Mazursky]]) carries a [[Colt Junior]] and constantly is seen putting it to his head.
[[Image:ColtJunior.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt junior - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:2d1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Teddy's Colt Junior in .25 acp that he takes out while in the bathroom.]]
[[Image:2d2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Teddy puts the Colt to his head, but doesn't load it.]]

==Colt Commander==
The [[M1911A1|Colt Commander]] is the main sidearm of Detective Wes Taylor ([[Eric Stoltz]]). After Taylor is knocked unconscious, Lee Woods ([[James Spader]]) takes the detective's gun and fires at Dosmo Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]).
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:2Days (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Taylor ([[Eric Stoltz]]) draws his Colt.]]
[[Image:2d5.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Woods ([[James Spader]]) opens fire with Taylor's Colt.]]

==Beretta Model 84 Cheetah==
Woods uses a suppressed [[Beretta Cheetah]] to eliminate a mark at the beginning of the film. He then uses it to double-cross Pizzo.
[[Image:Beretta-Cheetah.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 84FS .380 ACP]]

[[Image:2d3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Woods uses his suppressed Cheetah on Pizzo.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
While investigating a crime scene, Detective Creighton ([[Keith Carradine]]) pulls his [[Beretta 92FS]] after his partner doesn't respond.

[[Image:2Days (9).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Creighton draws his Beretta.]]

==Ruger GP100==
The [[Ruger GP100]] is the main weapon of Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]). He brandishes it throughout the film and engages in a firefight with Woods at the end of the film.
[[Image:GP100.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger GP100 .357 magnum]]

[[Image:2d4.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Pizzo pulls his Ruger on the pet dog.]]

[[Image:2Days (6).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]) pulls his Ruger on Teddy.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 29==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] snub is the main sidearm of Detective Alvin Strayer ([[Jeff Daniels]]). He draws it at the Foxx's home and then when a golfer strokes a ball through his front window.

[[Image:sw m29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 with 3" barrel.]]
[[Image:2Days (7).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Strayer ([[Jeff Daniels]]) pulls his S&W on the golfers.]]
That is NOT a Model 29. It appears to be a Model 27 with the 3 inch barrel and red ramp sight added. The barrel is too narrow at the muzzle and flares to meet the frame at the breech end. M29 barrel is a constant width. The revolver used by Daniels is too small for an N frame S&W looks more like an M19 .357 snub. Bo_Nidle.
==SIG-Sauer P220==
At the end of the film, Woods returns to his scene of the crime with a suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P220]] to take care of the loose ends.
[[Image:SigP220EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 1st Generation "American" model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:2Days (10).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Woods pulls his suppressed SIG on an unsuspecting Taylor.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]

2 Days in the Valley

2011-01-06T20:39:27Z

Bo Nidle:

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''[[2 Days in the Valley]]'':'''
[[Image:2DaysInTheValley.jpg‎|right|300px|''2 Days in the Valley'' (1996)]]

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== Beretta 950 Jetfire ==
When Helga Svelgen ([[Charlize Theron]]) and Becky Foxx ([[Teri Hatcher]]) fight in the hotel room, Helga goes to her purse and pulls out her .25 [[Beretta Jetfire]]. She and Becky then fight over it before a gunshot goes off. As Becky runs out of the hotel room, Helga fires the Beretta at her.
[[Image:PicB_950_jetfire.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 950 Jetfire .25 ACP]]

[[Image:2d7.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Helga ([[Charlize Theron]]) and Becky ([[Teri Hatcher]]) fight over the [[Beretta Jetfire]] in .25 ACP.]]

==Colt Junior==
Teddy Peppers ([[Paul Mazursky]]) carries a [[Colt Junior]] and constantly is seen putting it to his head.
[[Image:ColtJunior.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt junior - .25 ACP]]
[[Image:2d1.JPG|thumb|none|600px|A closeup of Teddy's Colt Junior in .25 acp that he takes out while in the bathroom.]]
[[Image:2d2.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Teddy puts the Colt to his head, but doesn't load it.]]

==Colt Commander==
The [[M1911A1|Colt Commander]] is the main sidearm of Detective Wes Taylor ([[Eric Stoltz]]). After Taylor is knocked unconscious, Lee Woods ([[James Spader]]) takes the detective's gun and fires at Dosmo Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]).
[[Image:ColtCombatCommander.jpg‎ |thumb|none|350px|Colt Combat Commander - .45 ACP]]

[[Image:2Days (5).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Detective Taylor ([[Eric Stoltz]]) draws his Colt.]]
[[Image:2d5.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Woods ([[James Spader]]) opens fire with Taylor's Colt.]]

==Beretta Model 84 Cheetah==
Woods uses a suppressed [[Beretta Cheetah]] to eliminate a mark at the beginning of the film. He then uses it to double-cross Pizzo.
[[Image:Beretta-Cheetah.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Beretta 84FS .380 ACP]]

[[Image:2d3.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Woods uses his suppressed Cheetah on Pizzo.]]

==Beretta 92FS==
While investigating a crime scene, Detective Creighton ([[Keith Carradine]]) pulls his [[Beretta 92FS]] after his partner doesn't respond.

[[Image:2Days (9).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Creighton draws his Beretta.]]

==Ruger GP100==
The [[Ruger GP100]] is the main weapon of Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]). He brandishes it throughout the film and engages in a firefight with Woods at the end of the film.
[[Image:GP100.jpg|thumb|none|300px|Ruger GP100 .357 magnum]]

[[Image:2d4.JPG|thumb|none|600px|Pizzo pulls his Ruger on the pet dog.]]

[[Image:2Days (6).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Pizzo ([[Danny Aiello]]) pulls his Ruger on Teddy.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 29==
The [[Smith & Wesson Model 29]] snub is the main sidearm of Detective Alvin Strayer ([[Jeff Daniels]]). He draws it at the Foxx's home and then when a golfer strokes a ball through his front window.

[[Image:sw m29.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 29 with 3" barrel.]]
[[Image:2Days (7).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Strayer ([[Jeff Daniels]]) pulls his S&W on the golfers.]]
That is NOT a Model 29. It appears to be a Model 27 with the 3 inch barrel and red ramp sight added. The barrel is too narrow at the muzzle and flares to meet the frame at the breech end. M29 barrel is a constant width. The revolver used by Daniels is too small for an N frame S&W looks more like an M19 .357 snub.
==SIG-Sauer P220==
At the end of the film, Woods returns to his scene of the crime with a suppressed [[SIG-Sauer P220 pistol series|SIG-Sauer P220]] to take care of the loose ends.
[[Image:SigP220EarlyModel.jpg‎|thumb|none|300px|SIG-Sauer P220 1st Generation "American" model - .45 ACP]]
[[Image:2Days (10).jpg|thumb|none|600px|Woods pulls his suppressed SIG on an unsuspecting Taylor.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]

Thief

2010-04-09T12:56:51Z

Bo Nidle:

''Thief'' is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of Michael Mann. It starred James Caan as Frank, a jewel thief. Mann, director of other famous films such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Collateral]]'' is known for his attention to detail, especially in firearms. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.

Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Thief'':'''

[[Image:Jimmy_Cann.jpg|right|300px|thumb| ''Thief'' (1981)]]

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==Custom Jim Hoag M1911A1==
One of the guns used by the main character, Frank ([[James Caan]]), is a 6" long slide [[M1911A1]] pistol customized by California gunsmith Jim Hoag. There is a long vertical cutout on the skeletonized trigger, which means the pistol is most likely a Colt Gold Cup National Match. Hoag Gun Works modified the pistol by lengthening the slide, squaring the trigger guard, adding a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, skeletonized hammer and beavertail grip safety. If this pistol is indeed a Gold Cup, then it is presumably chambered in .45 ACP.
[[Image:ColtMKIV-Series-70-GCNM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Gold Cup National Match - probably the base pistol for the custom Hoag longslide used in the film.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Long Slide 1911A1 replica, very similar to what Frank used in the film.]]
[[Image:Thief_brass_chk.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) does a brass check on his Hoag M1911A1. Before going into Attaglia's business. Note that in the film, this is supposed to be the long slide pistol, but it is actually a normal Colt Gold Cup NM in this brief scene. Note the way he does a brass check, thumb in trigger guard, fingers in front of muzzle. At the time of filming this was the taught method, but is no longer taught anymore.(Note: Tyler Durden- Good thing its not taught or negligent discharges into hands would be everywhere.)]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I am the last guy in the world that you wanna fuck with."'' Frank holds his custom 1911A1 on Attaglia, demanding his money.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Best view of Frank's ([[James Caan]]) longslide M1911A1, as he clears the rooms in Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like in the scene when he does a brass check, his longslide 1911A1 changes to a normal Colt Gold Cup NM when clearing the rooms.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank aims his longslide 1911A1 on a wounded Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank fires his longslide 1911A1 at Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide5.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank changing out a magazine outside Leo's home. Note that the slide isn't locked back, he only fired 5 to 6 rounds prior. So he would have 1 to 2 rounds remaining depending on how he loaded his gun. Frank is smart enough to swap in a fully loaded magazine at the opportune time rather than run out in the middle of the gun fight and then try to reload.]]
[[Image:Thief_reload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank loading in a fresh magazine.]]

==Colt Combat Commander==
When Frank ([[James Caan]]) first goes to visit Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) about his money. A [[Colt Commander]] is seen in the hidden compartment of the door panel. In one brief scene, Frank flashes the Colt Combat Commander at a nightclub bouncer played by a young [[William Petersen]]. Frank is later seen with at his car lot when he is looking for Barry ([[James Belushi]]). But he is unable to use it because he gets knock out by a mobster with an M1 Carbine.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Commander]]
[[Image:Thief-COLCOMM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Frank draws his custom longslide, a Colt Commander is also seen in the hidden compartment.]]
[[Image:Thief_cc.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) flashes his chromed Colt Combat Commander on a young Willam Peterson.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank with his Commander as he gets knock out by the mobster.]]
It looks like the stainless model, but I don't think stainless CC's were available in 1980, so it's probably a chromed finish. It has a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, and custom skeletonized hammer. Even though the entire pistol cannot be seen, due to the crease in Frank's waistband and the shadow it casts, it appears to be the shorter slide of a Combat Commander.

==High Standard Model 10==
A [[High Standard Model 10]] shotgun is used by Carl ([[Dennis Farina]]), at Frank's car dealership and the final shootout. [[Dennis Farina]]'s role as a mobster in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a Chicago Police officer for 18 years.
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl fires his High Standard Model 10 at Barry.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl with his High Standard Model 10 outside Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the High Standard Model 10.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Leo ([[Robert Prosky]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] with pearl grips at the end of the film.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo fires his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded Leo aims his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Best view of the Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose==
Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose]] in the film. It's mostly tucked in his waistband so it's hard to tell.
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 tucked in his waistband.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Attaglia draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19 after being knocked out by Frank.]]
This appears to be a Model 66 as it appears to be stainless steel rather than shiney nickel plated.- Jon P

==Remington 870 Shotgun==
Sgt. Urizzi ([[John Santucci]]) is seen armed with a [[Remington 870 Shotgun]] when he pulls over Frank ([[James Caan]]). [[John Santucci]]'s role as a police officer in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a former thief. In addition to being a technical advisor for the film, most of the tools used by Frank ([[James Caan]]) to crack the safes were his.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Thief-870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Urizzi holds a Remington 870 Shotgun on Frank.]]

==M1 Carbine==
An [[M1 Carbine]] is used by one of the mobsters at Frank's car dealership.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.]]
It either appears to bend after hitting him or has a folding stock? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Unknown Rifle==
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden)

More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Michael Mann]]

Thief

2010-04-09T12:55:03Z

Bo Nidle:

''Thief'' is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of Michael Mann. It starred James Caan as Frank, a jewel thief. Mann, director of other famous films such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Collateral]]'' is known for his attention to detail, especially in firearms. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.

Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Thief'':'''

[[Image:Jimmy_Cann.jpg|right|300px|thumb| ''Thief'' (1981)]]

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==Custom Jim Hoag M1911A1==
One of the guns used by the main character, Frank ([[James Caan]]), is a 6" long slide [[M1911A1]] pistol customized by California gunsmith Jim Hoag. There is a long vertical cutout on the skeletonized trigger, which means the pistol is most likely a Colt Gold Cup National Match. Hoag Gun Works modified the pistol by lengthening the slide, squaring the trigger guard, adding a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, skeletonized hammer and beavertail grip safety. If this pistol is indeed a Gold Cup, then it is presumably chambered in .45 ACP.
[[Image:ColtMKIV-Series-70-GCNM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Gold Cup National Match - probably the base pistol for the custom Hoag longslide used in the film.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Long Slide 1911A1 replica, very similar to what Frank used in the film.]]
[[Image:Thief_brass_chk.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) does a brass check on his Hoag M1911A1. Before going into Attaglia's business. Note that in the film, this is supposed to be the long slide pistol, but it is actually a normal Colt Gold Cup NM in this brief scene. Note the way he does a brass check, thumb in trigger guard, fingers in front of muzzle. At the time of filming this was the taught method, but is no longer taught anymore.(Note: Tyler Durden- Good thing its not taught or negligent discharges into hands would be everywhere.)]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I am the last guy in the world that you wanna fuck with."'' Frank holds his custom 1911A1 on Attaglia, demanding his money.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Best view of Frank's ([[James Caan]]) longslide M1911A1, as he clears the rooms in Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like in the scene when he does a brass check, his longslide 1911A1 changes to a normal Colt Gold Cup NM when clearing the rooms.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank aims his longslide 1911A1 on a wounded Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank fires his longslide 1911A1 at Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide5.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank changing out a magazine outside Leo's home. Note that the slide isn't locked back, he only fired 5 to 6 rounds prior. So he would have 1 to 2 rounds remaining depending on how he loaded his gun. Frank is smart enough to swap in a fully loaded magazine at the opportune time rather than run out in the middle of the gun fight and then try to reload.]]
[[Image:Thief_reload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank loading in a fresh magazine.]]

==Colt Combat Commander==
When Frank ([[James Caan]]) first goes to visit Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) about his money. A [[Colt Commander]] is seen in the hidden compartment of the door panel. In one brief scene, Frank flashes the Colt Combat Commander at a nightclub bouncer played by a young [[William Petersen]]. Frank is later seen with at his car lot when he is looking for Barry ([[James Belushi]]). But he is unable to use it because he gets knock out by a mobster with an M1 Carbine.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Commander]]
[[Image:Thief-COLCOMM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Frank draws his custom longslide, a Colt Commander is also seen in the hidden compartment.]]
[[Image:Thief_cc.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) flashes his chromed Colt Combat Commander on a young Willam Peterson.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank with his Commander as he gets knock out by the mobster.]]
It looks like the stainless model, but I don't think stainless CC's were available in 1980, so it's probably a chromed finish. It has a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, and custom skeletonized hammer. Even though the entire pistol cannot be seen, due to the crease in Frank's waistband and the shadow it casts, it appears to be the shorter slide of a Combat Commander.

==High Standard Model 10==
A [[High Standard Model 10]] shotgun is used by Carl ([[Dennis Farina]]), at Frank's car dealership and the final shootout. [[Dennis Farina]]'s role as a mobster in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a Chicago Police officer for 18 years.
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl fires his High Standard Model 10 at Barry.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl with his High Standard Model 10 outside Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the High Standard Model 10.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Leo ([[Robert Prosky]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] with pearl grips at the end of the film.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo fires his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded Leo aims his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Best view of the Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose==
Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose]] in the film. It's mostly tucked in his waistband so it's hard to tell.
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 tucked in his waistband.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Attaglia draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19 after being knocked out by Frank.]]
This appears to be a Model 66 as it appears to be stainless steel rather than shiney nickel plated.- Jon P

==Remington 870 Shotgun==
Sgt. Urizzi ([[John Santucci]]) is seen armed with a [[Remington 870 Shotgun]] when he pulls over Frank ([[James Caan]]). [[John Santucci]]'s role as a police officer in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a former thief. In addition to being a technical advisor for the film, most of the tools used by Frank ([[James Caan]]) to crack the safes were his.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Thief-870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Urizzi holds a Remington 870 Shotgun on Frank.]]

==M1 Carbine==
An [[M1 Carbine]] is used by one of the mobsters at Frank's car dealership.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.]]
It either appears to bend after hitting him or has a folding stock? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Unknown Rifle==
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden)
More likely the Hk91 or as it would be commercially available in the USA rather than the G3 which was not imported in the same numbers. Another clue is the entire weapon is obviously black including the foreend. A G3 would have green furniture.- Jon P

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Michael Mann]]

Thief

2010-04-09T12:37:11Z

Bo Nidle:

''Thief'' is the 1981 film that marked the directorial debut of Michael Mann. It starred James Caan as Frank, a jewel thief. Mann, director of other famous films such as ''[[Heat]]'' and ''[[Collateral]]'' is known for his attention to detail, especially in firearms. He is supposedly a certified range instructor himself, but for this film, he and actor Caan attended classes at Gunsite, a renowned firearms training facility. The story goes that they trained in the "Modern Combat Technique," until Jeff Cooper (founder of Gunsite, and the technique) learned who Mann's film protagonist was (a criminal). Cooper insisted that a thief would never be allowed to learn the Modern Technique and refused to continue instruction. Allegedly, Chuck Taylor, Cooper's operations manager at the time (and a well-known instructor himself), then decided to take them off-site and teach them the methods you see in the film.

Caan's training is obvious, as he uses an exaggerated Weaver Stance, high thumbhold grip, speed reloading, and room clearing techniques directly attributable to the Modern Combat Technique.

'''The following guns were used in the movie ''Thief'':'''

[[Image:Jimmy_Cann.jpg|right|300px|thumb| ''Thief'' (1981)]]

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==Custom Jim Hoag M1911A1==
One of the guns used by the main character, Frank ([[James Caan]]), is a 6" long slide [[M1911A1]] pistol customized by California gunsmith Jim Hoag. There is a long vertical cutout on the skeletonized trigger, which means the pistol is most likely a Colt Gold Cup National Match. Hoag Gun Works modified the pistol by lengthening the slide, squaring the trigger guard, adding a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, skeletonized hammer and beavertail grip safety. If this pistol is indeed a Gold Cup, then it is presumably chambered in .45 ACP.
[[Image:ColtMKIV-Series-70-GCNM.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Colt Gold Cup National Match - probably the base pistol for the custom Hoag longslide used in the film.]]
[[Image:WA490 4 mark.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Airsoft Long Slide 1911A1 replica, very similar to what Frank used in the film.]]
[[Image:Thief_brass_chk.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) does a brass check on his Hoag M1911A1. Before going into Attaglia's business. Note that in the film, this is supposed to be the long slide pistol, but it is actually a normal Colt Gold Cup NM in this brief scene. Note the way he does a brass check, thumb in trigger guard, fingers in front of muzzle. At the time of filming this was the taught method, but is no longer taught anymore.(Note: Tyler Durden- Good thing its not taught or negligent discharges into hands would be everywhere.)]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|''"I am the last guy in the world that you wanna fuck with."'' Frank holds his custom 1911A1 on Attaglia, demanding his money.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide1.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Best view of Frank's ([[James Caan]]) longslide M1911A1, as he clears the rooms in Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Like in the scene when he does a brass check, his longslide 1911A1 changes to a normal Colt Gold Cup NM when clearing the rooms.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank aims his longslide 1911A1 on a wounded Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief-1911LS-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank fires his longslide 1911A1 at Leo.]]
[[Image:Thief_longslide5.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank changing out a magazine outside Leo's home. Note that the slide isn't locked back, he only fired 5 to 6 rounds prior. So he would have 1 to 2 rounds remaining depending on how he loaded his gun. Frank is smart enough to swap in a fully loaded magazine at the opportune time rather than run out in the middle of the gun fight and then try to reload.]]
[[Image:Thief_reload.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank loading in a fresh magazine.]]

==Colt Combat Commander==
When Frank ([[James Caan]]) first goes to visit Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) about his money. A [[Colt Commander]] is seen in the hidden compartment of the door panel. In one brief scene, Frank flashes the Colt Combat Commander at a nightclub bouncer played by a young [[William Petersen]]. Frank is later seen with at his car lot when he is looking for Barry ([[James Belushi]]). But he is unable to use it because he gets knock out by a mobster with an M1 Carbine.
[[Image:ColtCommander1911.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Colt Commander]]
[[Image:Thief-COLCOMM-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|When Frank draws his custom longslide, a Colt Commander is also seen in the hidden compartment.]]
[[Image:Thief_cc.jpg|thumb|600px|none|Frank ([[James Caan]]) flashes his chromed Colt Combat Commander on a young Willam Peterson.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Frank with his Commander as he gets knock out by the mobster.]]
It looks like the stainless model, but I don't think stainless CC's were available in 1980, so it's probably a chromed finish. It has a Bo-Mar adjustable rear sight, and custom skeletonized hammer. Even though the entire pistol cannot be seen, due to the crease in Frank's waistband and the shadow it casts, it appears to be the shorter slide of a Combat Commander.

==High Standard Model 10==
A [[High Standard Model 10]] shotgun is used by Carl ([[Dennis Farina]]), at Frank's car dealership and the final shootout. [[Dennis Farina]]'s role as a mobster in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a Chicago Police officer for 18 years.
[[Image:High standard 10 SHG.jpg|thumb|none|400px|High Standard Model 10]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl fires his High Standard Model 10 at Barry.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Carl with his High Standard Model 10 outside Leo's home.]]
[[Image:Thief-HS10-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Closeup of the High Standard Model 10.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19==
Leo ([[Robert Prosky]]) uses a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19]] with pearl grips at the end of the film.
[[Image:Smith&Wesson-Model-19.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 - .357 Magnum]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Leo fires his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|A wounded Leo aims his Smith & Wesson Model 19 at Frank.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW28-4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Best view of the Smith & Wesson Model 19.]]

==Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose==
Attaglia ([[Tom Signorelli]]) carries a [[Smith & Wesson Model 19|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose]] in the film. It's mostly tucked in his waistband so it's hard to tell.
[[Image:SW19SN.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 Snub Nose - .357 Magnum.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Smith & Wesson Model 19 tucked in his waistband.]]
[[Image:Thief-SW19-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Attaglia draws his Smith & Wesson Model 19 after being knocked out by Frank.]]
This appears to be a Model 66 as it appears to be stainless steel rather than shiney nickel plated.- Jon P

==Remington 870 Shotgun==
Sgt. Urizzi ([[John Santucci]]) is seen armed with a [[Remington 870 Shotgun]] when he pulls over Frank ([[James Caan]]). [[John Santucci]]'s role as a police officer in the film is contradictory as to what he was in real life, a former thief. In addition to being a technical advisor for the film, most of the tools used by Frank ([[James Caan]]) to crack the safes were his.
[[Image:Remington870PoliceStd.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Remington 870 Police Magnum - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Thief-870.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sgt. Urizzi holds a Remington 870 Shotgun on Frank.]]

==M1 Carbine==
An [[M1 Carbine]] is used by one of the mobsters at Frank's car dealership.
[[Image:M1CarbineLateModel.jpg|thumb|none|400px|M1 Carbine]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster taking cover armed with an M1 Carbine.]]
[[Image:Thief-M1CAR-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The mobster hits Frank in the back of the head with his M1 Carbine.]]
It either appears to bend after hitting him or has a folding stock? -[[User:Predator20|Predator20]] 20:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

==Unknown Rifle==
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Thief-UNKRIFLE-2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
looks like a G3 or HK91 -Joe (Note: Good job Joe your dead on its either definitely but you can't tell.- Tyler Durden)

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[[Category:Crime]]
[[Category:Michael Mann]]