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Talk:Metal Storm Weapons

2016-04-25T08:12:58Z

Blitzen: /* How does these weapons extract rounds from the barrel? */

==Other systems==
[[Image:MS 3GL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Metal Storm 3GL 3-shot grenade launcher in standalone configuration - 40mm]]
[[Image:MS Maul.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Metal Storm MAUL 5-shot accessory shotgun mounted on a Colt Law Enforcement Carbine - 12 gauge preloaded barrel & 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:MS VLE.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Comparison diagram of a rather poorly-rendered [[Heckler & Koch Mark 23]] and a more recent Metal Storm VLE; note the "stack" reloads inserted into the rear of the VLE and the fire control computer and access-restricting technology in the "magazine." This VLE appears to use 9mm loads only.]]
[[Image:Bertha.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Metal Storm 36-barrel "Bertha" Rig - 9mm preloaded barrel. This is the million rpm demonstrator, though really each barrel only fired at ~27,777 rpm; each fired 5 bullets for a 180-shot million rpm burst from the entire rig.]]

==Page Clean-Up==

Shouldn't this page be changed to a gun brand page and also split the weapons to different pages as well? --[[User:RaNgeR|RaNgeR]] 19:58, 1 July 2012 (CDT)
:I don't think there's really enough entries for any given weapon to justify that. Just one page for the technology is a little nonstandard, but when these things have appeared in more than a handful of shows we'll take another look. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 02:10, 25 July 2012 (CDT)

== How does these weapons extract rounds from the barrel? ==

No matter how I think about it, I don't know how you could extract multiple rounds from multiple locations in a single barrel, could someone explain this? [[User:Z008MJ|Z008MJ]] ([[User talk:Z008MJ|talk]]) 10:42, 22 February 2016 (EST)

:It depends really. For the most part, the spent casings essentially act as a sabot for the subsequent round in the tube. When the next round is set off, the casing is sent forward with the projectile and falls away when clear of the barrel. In a way, they operate very much like Roman candles, except there's not delay charge needing to be burned before igniting lift charges. However, there was some descriptions that made it sound like rocket ball ammunition, like in the Volcanic firearms. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 04:12, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Star Wars

2016-04-12T00:49:16Z

Blitzen: /* Star Wars: Force Awakens Props */

Isn't Jango & Boba Fett RPGs real weapons

==Spaceart images==

[[Image:Sw084-e.jpg|thumb|none|508px|Star Wars: Stormtrooper E-11 Blaster - Ultimate Edition]]
[[Image:Sw084-c.jpg|thumb|none|508px|Star Wars: Stormtrooper E-11 Blaster - Ultimate Edition]]

==BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol==
Which movie was this? It was NOT the first one (A new hope) (1977) because I've handled those original Prop guns and they were just cheap metal tubes and NOT built on a Sterling SMG. The Stormtrooper ones yes, but the Rebels on the blockade runner had very simple crappy prop pistols made out of machined aluminum. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

This is true, you can see during the blockade runner sequence the trigger guards on the dh-17s are really thick indicating something that was molded or thrown together cheaply.--[[User:Variableorange|Variableorange]] 05:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Star Wars guns==
Star wars fans and costumers have been for years trying to find out what all the guns in the star wars saga were made of: Parts of Star Wars ([http://www.partsofsw.com/]) is a fan-created list of most of the guns - from the main props to blink-and-you'll-miss-them ones wielded by extras.
--[[User:Variableorange|Variableorange]] 05:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Page Re-Organization Recommendation==

Is there any particular reason we have all the films in this franchise all on one page? I believe it would make more sense to split them into several pages covering the individual films and have a category to serve as a central hub for them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 15:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some Star Wars films have only one real-based guns (the first episode, for example) and is a waste to make so all of them are grouped in one page. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 16:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I did, group them all in one page. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I think this makes it look much less professional, however. --[[User:Jovantheun1337|Jovantheun1337]] 19:17, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

==Clone Blasters==
Should the clone blasters really be on this page, since there was never actually a physical prop for any of them used in the films? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most viewers would not realize that, so it's probably best if there is a section for it, if only to point out that, unlike the rest of the gun on the page, that one doesn't actually exist.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Droid blaster ==

Does anyone have any objection to the E-5 blaster used by the battle droids in the prequels being added?
[[Image:Battle droid blaster.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
The screen used practical props were made from castings of a an E-11 blaster replica, which itself was based on a Sterling. Granted, no guns were directly used to make this prop, but at least it is a physical prop unlike the clone rifles which are on this page.

Also, just as an unrelated bonus, here is a (hires) photo from a convention showing replicas of various Star Wars guns, where among others you can see the Episode VI Rebel rifles made from M-16 parts, and the Episode IV DH-17s notable by their thick trigger guards and generally cruder appearance. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:4940980122 e8bdf4e499 o.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

== Trivia and such ==

I've seen closeups of the props like the Star Destroyer, Millenium Falcon and Death Star surface; since they were decorated with random pieces of warship, aircraft, truck and tank models, they're ''covered'' in recognisable components and some of the weapons could probably be ID'd pretty easily. Also, I've seen a writeup on the R/C version of the Jawa Sandcrawler showing it with the track guards removed; underneath is the running gear of a Tamiya 1/16 scale R/C Sherman. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming ==

Isn't it IMFDb police to list these by their ''REAL'' names, not their in-universe fictional names? I remember the mods making that point during one of the Goldeneye dust-ups. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:15, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

: You can see that the real firearm is put in parenthesis after the fictional name. Since these are modified versions, this is what it should be. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:24, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== Imperial officers and the DH-17 Blaster ==

Is there any screenshot that proves that the Imperials actually used or had the DH-17 blaster? As far as I can recall, they used E-11s most of the time.--[[User:Greed-sama|Greed-sama]] ([[User talk:Greed-sama|talk]]) 21:41, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

:I know that the Imperial Navy troopers on the Death Star carry DH-17s. The guys that have the big bowl type open faced helmets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:44, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

== BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol reflex-sight! ==

Hey all! Is it just me or is the "BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol", as seen in "A New Hope", using the same type reflex sight that is shown in the 1978 movie "[[The Wild Geese]]"? If so, what is the name of that reflex sight? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 13:10, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

[[Image:StarWars-DH-171.jpg|thumb|none|500px|As seen in ''A New Hope''.]]
[[Image:WG-R1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|From the movie "The Wild Geese".]]

:It is the same sight, it is called a Singlepoint OEG (Occluded Eye Gunsight). There were versions for rifles with a truncated cone at the end (the one pictured here) that produced a narrow dot, or versions for shotguns which had a dome that produced a wide dot. I think they were also both available in red or green, with red dots having a transparent dome/cone, and green ones having a translucent one. You could not actually look through them, you placed the scope over one eye keeping both eyes open and the dot was superimposed over the image from the uncovered eye. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:33, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

::Well in that case I will add the info to the article :). Thanks man! [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 15:37, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

== Jango Fetts guns ==

Does anyone know if the guns Jango Fett uses are copy from any real guns? It could look like a chrome .22 without grip plates but the trigger looks kinda strange so I don't know.
::It always reminds me of an AutoMag without the ribbing on the barrel. Don't know why. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 13:16, 1 February 2015 (EST)

== Star Wars: Dark Forces II ==

Unlike the majority of games, Dark Forces II had Live Action cutscenes, I believe the only Star Wars game to have them (Not counting Stock Footage used in the Battlefront games or others that ust used Stock film footage). Three firearms appear, whether mocked up or not, I dunno. The cutscenes were never of high visual quality, so they may be a bit blurry. I figured all Star Wars, including games, go here.

First up is a familiar weapon: The DH-17 Blaster Pistol that appears in the game's second cutscene. It is only seen in this scene and is never seen again in cutscenes or even in-game.

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The DH-17 is first held up to Kyle Katarn's (Jason Court) head by a thug in the second cutscene. Note distinctive barrel. THe rest is fa to obscured by the blurriness and blackness to be further detailed here.]]

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kyle turns the tables by beating the first thug and wrestling the gun away to aim at a second thug. The Singlepoint scope is there, sorta. It just appears to be a cast of sorts seeing the back end is filled in. Looking carefully you see an ammo pack on the side. Possibly ESB based then.]]

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cutscene fades after this moment where Kyle taunts the thug. Sight front is just black. Entire gun could just be a rubber prop, or maybe just the scope. Maybe LucasArts got some real props, but maybe not the scope? Despite clear use in this cutscene the gun is never seen again. When the level begins Kyle's weapon changes to his more unique Bryar pistol.]]

The second weapon also comes from the second cutscene. It's carried by the three-eyed Gran thug. Meant to stand in for the E-11 apparently, as the Gran switches to one when gameplay begins, and this gun is never seen again.

[[Image:DarkForces Rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gran thug holds it on Katarn in a bar booth. Some sort of scope or rail on top. Interestingly, the actor holds the gun just as the Grans in the game do. Still a bit odd looking though. The gloves look a bit goofy and his finger seems to be too fat to even fit through the trigger guard.]]

[[Image:DarkForces Rifle 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gran thug sits down at bar stool in front of Kyle, lowering weapon on Kyle. The Gran is soon disarmed when Kyle flips the thug behind him over his shoulder and onto the table. Here we can see a magazine coming from the side of it. The weapon seems to be a poor mockup of the E-11. Makes sense I suppose as the Gran switches to an (even poorer digital version) E-11 in game.]]

And finally, Katarn's famous Bryar Blaster Pistol. It appears in several cutscenes throughout the game, and seems to be closely modeled after what appeared in the first Dark Forces. Interestingly, the in-game model differs substantially, as well as the models for it in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy.

[[Image:DarkForces Bryar 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|After the previous cutscene, Kyle ditches his DH-17 for his normal Bryar (Trivia: For the novel Rebel Agent, based on the game, most of the art does depict Katarn using his Bryar. However, in the original paintings he is actually armed with a DH-17 and the Bryar must've been digitally added later. A guess is that the artist saw the cutscene with Kyle stealing the DH-17 and assumed that it became his primary weapon). The third cutscene is the first time he draws it. He fires it several times, faking recoil. He blows a droid's arm off with it, but the rest of the droid escapes.]]

Have a few more that show off a magazine, a hammer, and some other interesting spots. Image upload suddenly died. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 00:00, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

== Blanks ==

It seems odd that Lucas would bother having the guns in ''A New Hope'' actually fire blanks if he's just going to rotoscope in a beam in post. Not only would he be able to save money on having an armorer on set and safety considerations, he could've avoided dealing with flying brass and smoke. Although having the actors react to recoil was a nice touch, it's a stark contrast to how he filmed with prequels, with minimal sets and everything on greenscreen. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:33, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

: From what I understand, this was done to not only have the actors react to the weapons being fired, but to also have the animators who were going to add the lasers later on have a reference point of where the bolts should go.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:17, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
::And then, twenty years later, he stopped giving his actors sets to react to. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

== Missing Guns? ==

I think there are a few missing guns on this page, mainly from the bounty hunters in Empire. I believe Dengar has a modified MG42 and Bossk has a Schermully launcher, or am I just remembering these from production images and they never actually made it into the final cut of the film? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:52, 21 June 2014 (EDT)
*I believe Dengar is seen with an MG34 in promo shots, while in the actual film he has an MG42. Dengar's Promo 34 is seen in the hands of the droid bounty hunter 4LOM (Or maybe it's the other way around). There's a large number of other guns strewn throughout the films. This page could really use some reorganizing. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 17:42, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
*For that matter, isn't Greedo's gun missing?--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 00:04, 1 February 2015 (EST)
*Luke's landspeeder gun is a Moroccan flintlock. Denix used to sell one almost exactly like it.[[User:Mzmadmike|Mzmadmike]] ([[User talk:Mzmadmike|talk]]) 22:20, 29 February 2016 (EST)

== "Relby K23" blaster ==
I just uploaded two screencaps of a weapon (The "Relby K23 blaster") that I noticed missing from the article. I'm afraid I was a bit hasty uploading the caps as I learned (too late) that this weapon is not based on an actual firearm but was taken from a "nemrod" speargun. Since I can't delete the photos I figure I'd post them here just in case.
[[File:Relbyk23 (1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[File:Relbyk23 (2).jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
Cool, good to have everything possible I'd say. This might qualify to be on the page with the 'If it could be mistaken as a real firearm-mockup, etc' point, but if not, can definitely still go here on the discussion page I'm sure. That said, a minor technical note - 'none' should be set as the justification for all image thumbnails on talk pages. I went ahead and adjusted them accordingly here, just keep that in mind next time. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 19 February 2015 (EST)
:Oh...Did not realise that. I just put the two screencaps beside each other just to go easy on the eyes :). But, lesson learned! [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 17:01, 19 February 2015 (EST)
:: Well that might be fine at the resolution you're using, but they appeared diagonally for me because I only have a 1280 res on this system, and that's the point - Keep in mind we're dealing with various screen-size/resolution configurations here, so what looks fine to you may look odd to another. Keeping no alignment bypasses that potential issue entirely. It's no big deal, though, just a heads up. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:49, 19 February 2015 (EST)

== Finn's blaster ==
Is it just me, or does it look like Finn's blaster in the below promo image is based to some degree of a [[G36]]?
[[File:John-Boyega-and-Chewbacca-in-Star-Wars-Image.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[File:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]The parts that make me think this ar ethe shape of the magazine well and that diagonal line at the back of the handgaurd. It also looks like this might be a mirrored image as it has what looks like the ejection port (complete with sci-fi blue glow) and brass deflector on the left side. The sight on top also looks like it is based on the old Singlepoint OEG sights that were on the rebel blasters of the original trilogy, plus it has that shiny barrel which makes me think it might be intended to be a progression of the DH-17. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:36, 24 July 2015 (EDT)

Here's some images from the new merchandise. I think it's pretty safe to say it's based on a G36 variant. You can even see the selector switch.

[[File:3.75-inch_Finn_figure_box.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_figure.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_blaster_left.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_blaster_right.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:12-inch_Finn_figure.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]

Not sure why the blaster is yellow sometimes.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 14:53, 6 September 2015 (EDT)

== KPOS Glock carbines in "The Force Awakens" ==

Apparently, in addition to slightly modified E-11 blasters, the Stormtroopers in "The Force Awakens" also get Mako KPOS Glock carbines painted white. I've seen them on 1:6 TFA Stormtrooper toys, but I can't recall if there are any movie photos to confirm it. Anyone? --[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] ([[User talk:Seriously Mike|talk]]) 10:33, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
:These stormtrooper can be seen with some sort of sidearm in a holster or bracket moulded into their right thigh. They haven't been seen well in any of the trailers yet, but they can be seen in some promo images like [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/87/75/1b/87751ba5d9fa0d3605befb342542735e.jpg this]. Looks a little small to me but it ''could'' be a modded KPOS.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:12, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
::A new shot of the "Nerf" version you can buy pretty much confirms it is a Glock in a customised KPOS.
[[Image:StarWarsGlock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:03, 20 October 2015 (GMT)

== Star Wars: Force Awakens Props ==

Wired just released the images of the official props from The Force Awakens, including the guns http://www.wired.com/2015/11/star-wars-force-awakens-props/ --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 15:52, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:Wow, great resource, thanks! Captain Phasma's blaster has two stocks on it? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:06, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::No prob! I think that's actually the frontal grip --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::I thought so too, but then I realized it's the original folding stock on the Sterling. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::::Finally, someone else notices that! I think that only the "grip" can fold out, and the rest of the "folding stock" is actually fused with the body. If that's the case, I wish they would have left the useless part of the stock off and gone with a more practical grip design. But maybe then it wouldn't look enough like the E-11.

::::Also, in [http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sw_prop_1a-1024x768.jpg this image], the cap on the end of the F-11D is upside down for some reason.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 20:29, 19 November 2015 (EST)

::::I was checking out a few of the guns to see if I recognize any real-world weaponry in them, which is proving to be a challenge, and this one [http://i.imgur.com/Bwk7dJc.jpg here] I think was built around a shotgun and, judging by the slide/pump area (dunno the actual name, sorry), I'm thinking a Neostead.
:::::Looks like just a fabricated prop to me. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 05:05, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Looking at the "pump", maybe built off of some sort of water gun? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:45, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::I think that like a lot of these guns there are real parts used, such as the stock which is either from a Tantal or East German AK. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:46, 21 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Looks like this along with one or two other weapons are actually based off of the [[Bergmann Model 1896]]. The grip shape, trigger area and magazine housing are all very distinctive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 11 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::The second pistol-with-a-brick-for-a-muzzle looks like an M1911 with an extended beavertail lives in it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:40, 20 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::Was looking at it while half-asleep before, it's a Desert Eagle:
:::::::[[Image:SwPropDeagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trandoshan Tripler on a Shorosuub blaster:" note the Desert Eagle's long beavertail, slide release and textured grip.]]
:::::::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:29, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::A few other things we get from these images. Firstly, we can see the double stack step on Poe's blaster confirming that it is based on a P226. There are also a couple of blasters which are based more on the original Sterling than the stormtrooper rifles which look a lot like the original DH-17 rebel blasters (one of which appears to be battle damaged and has a stock, different sights and a few other slight differences). There is another version of the G36 blaster fitted with a stock, and from stuff I have seen my guess is that these are the standard Resistance blaster rifle. Lastly, I think there is actually an M1911 in one of these guns, just not that one. If you look at the one with the bone handle and long square barrel, the only exposed parts of the base gun are the trigger, trigger guard and magazine release, and the me these look like they are from a 1911 variant with a "3 hole" trigger:[[File:SWTFA bone blaster.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Huttsplitter blaster]] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:35, 21 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Beavertail's visible right of the circular thing, too, it's one of the upturned ones. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:18, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Pretty sure I saw a Barrett M82 in the bar/cantina/merc hideout. The really huge dude with a girl on his lap has it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:46, 22 December 2015 (EST)
::::::::::Mean this gun? --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:53, 22 December 2015 (EST)
[[File:Star-wars-force-awakens-tusk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barrel on the left]]
::::::::::Yes.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:40, 23 December 2015 (EST)
:::::::::::...And they even gave the guy a name and backstory apparently. Well, that's Star Wars for you.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:20, 24 December 2015 (EST)
::::::::::::From what I caught, the rifle Grummgar is holding, it's a 'hunting rifle with a remote trigger interface and a sniper barrel flash suppressor' --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 00:28, 14 January 2016 (EST)
Some of the Guavian Death Gang enforcers are wielding pistols and rifles made off a Kalashnikov AK-101/102/105. Most of the changes add a bulkier dust-cover, some cosmetics to obscure the receiver, and the removal of the barrel and gas tube. The foregrips and trunion block rear sight are unmistakable, however. The Visual Dictionary entry refers them as "sawed-off" percussive cannons.
[[File:Guavian_Death_Gang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen to the right]]
[[File:Guavian Death Gang Enforcers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two versions shown, pistol in upper right, rifle at bottom]]
--[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:49, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

== Star Wars Battlefront ==

Is it worth a new page for the Battlefront game? The in game weapons are incredibly accurate to the movie props, such as the Rebel's StG-44 based blaster.
[[file:SWBFB A280c.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I'd be up for this as the weapons are based 1:1 on the movie props --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:46, 24 December 2015 (GMT)

Talk:Star Wars

2016-04-12T00:48:53Z

Blitzen: /* Star Wars: Force Awakens Props */

Isn't Jango & Boba Fett RPGs real weapons

==Spaceart images==

[[Image:Sw084-e.jpg|thumb|none|508px|Star Wars: Stormtrooper E-11 Blaster - Ultimate Edition]]
[[Image:Sw084-c.jpg|thumb|none|508px|Star Wars: Stormtrooper E-11 Blaster - Ultimate Edition]]

==BlasTech DH-17 blaster pistol==
Which movie was this? It was NOT the first one (A new hope) (1977) because I've handled those original Prop guns and they were just cheap metal tubes and NOT built on a Sterling SMG. The Stormtrooper ones yes, but the Rebels on the blockade runner had very simple crappy prop pistols made out of machined aluminum. [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 00:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

This is true, you can see during the blockade runner sequence the trigger guards on the dh-17s are really thick indicating something that was molded or thrown together cheaply.--[[User:Variableorange|Variableorange]] 05:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Star Wars guns==
Star wars fans and costumers have been for years trying to find out what all the guns in the star wars saga were made of: Parts of Star Wars ([http://www.partsofsw.com/]) is a fan-created list of most of the guns - from the main props to blink-and-you'll-miss-them ones wielded by extras.
--[[User:Variableorange|Variableorange]] 05:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Page Re-Organization Recommendation==

Is there any particular reason we have all the films in this franchise all on one page? I believe it would make more sense to split them into several pages covering the individual films and have a category to serve as a central hub for them. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 15:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
:Some Star Wars films have only one real-based guns (the first episode, for example) and is a waste to make so all of them are grouped in one page. - [[User:Kenny99|Kenny99]] 16:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I did, group them all in one page. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 01:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I think this makes it look much less professional, however. --[[User:Jovantheun1337|Jovantheun1337]] 19:17, 11 September 2011 (CDT)

==Clone Blasters==
Should the clone blasters really be on this page, since there was never actually a physical prop for any of them used in the films? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 19:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most viewers would not realize that, so it's probably best if there is a section for it, if only to point out that, unlike the rest of the gun on the page, that one doesn't actually exist.--[[User:PistolJunkie|PistolJunkie]] 21:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Droid blaster ==

Does anyone have any objection to the E-5 blaster used by the battle droids in the prequels being added?
[[Image:Battle droid blaster.jpg|thumb|500px|none|]]
The screen used practical props were made from castings of a an E-11 blaster replica, which itself was based on a Sterling. Granted, no guns were directly used to make this prop, but at least it is a physical prop unlike the clone rifles which are on this page.

Also, just as an unrelated bonus, here is a (hires) photo from a convention showing replicas of various Star Wars guns, where among others you can see the Episode VI Rebel rifles made from M-16 parts, and the Episode IV DH-17s notable by their thick trigger guards and generally cruder appearance. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 00:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
[[Image:4940980122 e8bdf4e499 o.jpg|thumb|600px|none|]]

== Trivia and such ==

I've seen closeups of the props like the Star Destroyer, Millenium Falcon and Death Star surface; since they were decorated with random pieces of warship, aircraft, truck and tank models, they're ''covered'' in recognisable components and some of the weapons could probably be ID'd pretty easily. Also, I've seen a writeup on the R/C version of the Jawa Sandcrawler showing it with the track guards removed; underneath is the running gear of a Tamiya 1/16 scale R/C Sherman. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 23:20, 4 July 2011 (CDT)

== Naming ==

Isn't it IMFDb police to list these by their ''REAL'' names, not their in-universe fictional names? I remember the mods making that point during one of the Goldeneye dust-ups. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 18:15, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

: You can see that the real firearm is put in parenthesis after the fictional name. Since these are modified versions, this is what it should be. --[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] 19:24, 3 May 2012 (CDT)

== Imperial officers and the DH-17 Blaster ==

Is there any screenshot that proves that the Imperials actually used or had the DH-17 blaster? As far as I can recall, they used E-11s most of the time.--[[User:Greed-sama|Greed-sama]] ([[User talk:Greed-sama|talk]]) 21:41, 16 April 2013 (EDT)

:I know that the Imperial Navy troopers on the Death Star carry DH-17s. The guys that have the big bowl type open faced helmets. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 04:44, 17 April 2013 (EDT)

== BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol reflex-sight! ==

Hey all! Is it just me or is the "BlasTech DH-17 Blaster Pistol", as seen in "A New Hope", using the same type reflex sight that is shown in the 1978 movie "[[The Wild Geese]]"? If so, what is the name of that reflex sight? [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 13:10, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

[[Image:StarWars-DH-171.jpg|thumb|none|500px|As seen in ''A New Hope''.]]
[[Image:WG-R1a.jpg|thumb|none|500px|From the movie "The Wild Geese".]]

:It is the same sight, it is called a Singlepoint OEG (Occluded Eye Gunsight). There were versions for rifles with a truncated cone at the end (the one pictured here) that produced a narrow dot, or versions for shotguns which had a dome that produced a wide dot. I think they were also both available in red or green, with red dots having a transparent dome/cone, and green ones having a translucent one. You could not actually look through them, you placed the scope over one eye keeping both eyes open and the dot was superimposed over the image from the uncovered eye. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:33, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

::Well in that case I will add the info to the article :). Thanks man! [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 15:37, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

== Jango Fetts guns ==

Does anyone know if the guns Jango Fett uses are copy from any real guns? It could look like a chrome .22 without grip plates but the trigger looks kinda strange so I don't know.
::It always reminds me of an AutoMag without the ribbing on the barrel. Don't know why. --[[User:Godzillafan93|That's the Way It's Done]] ([[User talk:Godzillafan93|talk]]) 13:16, 1 February 2015 (EST)

== Star Wars: Dark Forces II ==

Unlike the majority of games, Dark Forces II had Live Action cutscenes, I believe the only Star Wars game to have them (Not counting Stock Footage used in the Battlefront games or others that ust used Stock film footage). Three firearms appear, whether mocked up or not, I dunno. The cutscenes were never of high visual quality, so they may be a bit blurry. I figured all Star Wars, including games, go here.

First up is a familiar weapon: The DH-17 Blaster Pistol that appears in the game's second cutscene. It is only seen in this scene and is never seen again in cutscenes or even in-game.

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|The DH-17 is first held up to Kyle Katarn's (Jason Court) head by a thug in the second cutscene. Note distinctive barrel. THe rest is fa to obscured by the blurriness and blackness to be further detailed here.]]

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Kyle turns the tables by beating the first thug and wrestling the gun away to aim at a second thug. The Singlepoint scope is there, sorta. It just appears to be a cast of sorts seeing the back end is filled in. Looking carefully you see an ammo pack on the side. Possibly ESB based then.]]

[[Image:DarkForces DH17 3.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Cutscene fades after this moment where Kyle taunts the thug. Sight front is just black. Entire gun could just be a rubber prop, or maybe just the scope. Maybe LucasArts got some real props, but maybe not the scope? Despite clear use in this cutscene the gun is never seen again. When the level begins Kyle's weapon changes to his more unique Bryar pistol.]]

The second weapon also comes from the second cutscene. It's carried by the three-eyed Gran thug. Meant to stand in for the E-11 apparently, as the Gran switches to one when gameplay begins, and this gun is never seen again.

[[Image:DarkForces Rifle 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gran thug holds it on Katarn in a bar booth. Some sort of scope or rail on top. Interestingly, the actor holds the gun just as the Grans in the game do. Still a bit odd looking though. The gloves look a bit goofy and his finger seems to be too fat to even fit through the trigger guard.]]

[[Image:DarkForces Rifle 2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Gran thug sits down at bar stool in front of Kyle, lowering weapon on Kyle. The Gran is soon disarmed when Kyle flips the thug behind him over his shoulder and onto the table. Here we can see a magazine coming from the side of it. The weapon seems to be a poor mockup of the E-11. Makes sense I suppose as the Gran switches to an (even poorer digital version) E-11 in game.]]

And finally, Katarn's famous Bryar Blaster Pistol. It appears in several cutscenes throughout the game, and seems to be closely modeled after what appeared in the first Dark Forces. Interestingly, the in-game model differs substantially, as well as the models for it in Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy.

[[Image:DarkForces Bryar 1.jpg|thumb|none|500px|After the previous cutscene, Kyle ditches his DH-17 for his normal Bryar (Trivia: For the novel Rebel Agent, based on the game, most of the art does depict Katarn using his Bryar. However, in the original paintings he is actually armed with a DH-17 and the Bryar must've been digitally added later. A guess is that the artist saw the cutscene with Kyle stealing the DH-17 and assumed that it became his primary weapon). The third cutscene is the first time he draws it. He fires it several times, faking recoil. He blows a droid's arm off with it, but the rest of the droid escapes.]]

Have a few more that show off a magazine, a hammer, and some other interesting spots. Image upload suddenly died. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 00:00, 29 June 2013 (EDT)

== Blanks ==

It seems odd that Lucas would bother having the guns in ''A New Hope'' actually fire blanks if he's just going to rotoscope in a beam in post. Not only would he be able to save money on having an armorer on set and safety considerations, he could've avoided dealing with flying brass and smoke. Although having the actors react to recoil was a nice touch, it's a stark contrast to how he filmed with prequels, with minimal sets and everything on greenscreen. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 19:33, 22 April 2014 (EDT)

: From what I understand, this was done to not only have the actors react to the weapons being fired, but to also have the animators who were going to add the lasers later on have a reference point of where the bolts should go.--[[User:Ben41|Ben41]] ([[User talk:Ben41|talk]]) 20:17, 22 April 2014 (EDT)
::And then, twenty years later, he stopped giving his actors sets to react to. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 15:56, 29 April 2014 (EDT)

== Missing Guns? ==

I think there are a few missing guns on this page, mainly from the bounty hunters in Empire. I believe Dengar has a modified MG42 and Bossk has a Schermully launcher, or am I just remembering these from production images and they never actually made it into the final cut of the film? --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 06:52, 21 June 2014 (EDT)
*I believe Dengar is seen with an MG34 in promo shots, while in the actual film he has an MG42. Dengar's Promo 34 is seen in the hands of the droid bounty hunter 4LOM (Or maybe it's the other way around). There's a large number of other guns strewn throughout the films. This page could really use some reorganizing. --[[User:Clonehunter|Clonehunter]] ([[User talk:Clonehunter|talk]]) 17:42, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
*For that matter, isn't Greedo's gun missing?--[[User:Surv1v4l1st|Surv1v4l1st]] ([[User talk:Surv1v4l1st|talk]]) 00:04, 1 February 2015 (EST)
*Luke's landspeeder gun is a Moroccan flintlock. Denix used to sell one almost exactly like it.[[User:Mzmadmike|Mzmadmike]] ([[User talk:Mzmadmike|talk]]) 22:20, 29 February 2016 (EST)

== "Relby K23" blaster ==
I just uploaded two screencaps of a weapon (The "Relby K23 blaster") that I noticed missing from the article. I'm afraid I was a bit hasty uploading the caps as I learned (too late) that this weapon is not based on an actual firearm but was taken from a "nemrod" speargun. Since I can't delete the photos I figure I'd post them here just in case.
[[File:Relbyk23 (1).jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
[[File:Relbyk23 (2).jpg|thumb|none|500px|]]
Cool, good to have everything possible I'd say. This might qualify to be on the page with the 'If it could be mistaken as a real firearm-mockup, etc' point, but if not, can definitely still go here on the discussion page I'm sure. That said, a minor technical note - 'none' should be set as the justification for all image thumbnails on talk pages. I went ahead and adjusted them accordingly here, just keep that in mind next time. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 14:48, 19 February 2015 (EST)
:Oh...Did not realise that. I just put the two screencaps beside each other just to go easy on the eyes :). But, lesson learned! [[User:Dudster32|Dudester32]] ([[User talk:Dudster32|talk]]) 17:01, 19 February 2015 (EST)
:: Well that might be fine at the resolution you're using, but they appeared diagonally for me because I only have a 1280 res on this system, and that's the point - Keep in mind we're dealing with various screen-size/resolution configurations here, so what looks fine to you may look odd to another. Keeping no alignment bypasses that potential issue entirely. It's no big deal, though, just a heads up. ;) [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] ([[User talk:StanTheMan|talk]]) 18:49, 19 February 2015 (EST)

== Finn's blaster ==
Is it just me, or does it look like Finn's blaster in the below promo image is based to some degree of a [[G36]]?
[[File:John-Boyega-and-Chewbacca-in-Star-Wars-Image.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]
[[File:Hkg36c.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler & Koch G36C - 5.56x45mm]]The parts that make me think this ar ethe shape of the magazine well and that diagonal line at the back of the handgaurd. It also looks like this might be a mirrored image as it has what looks like the ejection port (complete with sci-fi blue glow) and brass deflector on the left side. The sight on top also looks like it is based on the old Singlepoint OEG sights that were on the rebel blasters of the original trilogy, plus it has that shiny barrel which makes me think it might be intended to be a progression of the DH-17. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 13:36, 24 July 2015 (EDT)

Here's some images from the new merchandise. I think it's pretty safe to say it's based on a G36 variant. You can even see the selector switch.

[[File:3.75-inch_Finn_figure_box.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_figure.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_blaster_left.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:6-inch_Finn_blaster_right.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]
[[File:12-inch_Finn_figure.jpg|thumb|300px|none|]]

Not sure why the blaster is yellow sometimes.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 14:53, 6 September 2015 (EDT)

== KPOS Glock carbines in "The Force Awakens" ==

Apparently, in addition to slightly modified E-11 blasters, the Stormtroopers in "The Force Awakens" also get Mako KPOS Glock carbines painted white. I've seen them on 1:6 TFA Stormtrooper toys, but I can't recall if there are any movie photos to confirm it. Anyone? --[[User:Seriously Mike|Seriously Mike]] ([[User talk:Seriously Mike|talk]]) 10:33, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
:These stormtrooper can be seen with some sort of sidearm in a holster or bracket moulded into their right thigh. They haven't been seen well in any of the trailers yet, but they can be seen in some promo images like [https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/87/75/1b/87751ba5d9fa0d3605befb342542735e.jpg this]. Looks a little small to me but it ''could'' be a modded KPOS.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:12, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
::A new shot of the "Nerf" version you can buy pretty much confirms it is a Glock in a customised KPOS.
[[Image:StarWarsGlock.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]] --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 19:03, 20 October 2015 (GMT)

== Star Wars: Force Awakens Props ==

Wired just released the images of the official props from The Force Awakens, including the guns http://www.wired.com/2015/11/star-wars-force-awakens-props/ --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 15:52, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:Wow, great resource, thanks! Captain Phasma's blaster has two stocks on it? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:06, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::No prob! I think that's actually the frontal grip --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 16:21, 19 November 2015 (EST)
:::I thought so too, but then I realized it's the original folding stock on the Sterling. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 16:39, 19 November 2015 (EST)
::::Finally, someone else notices that! I think that only the "grip" can fold out, and the rest of the "folding stock" is actually fused with the body. If that's the case, I wish they would have left the useless part of the stock off and gone with a more practical grip design. But maybe then it wouldn't look enough like the E-11.

::::Also, in [http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sw_prop_1a-1024x768.jpg this image], the cap on the end of the F-11D is upside down for some reason.--[[User:Quarax|Quarax]] ([[User talk:Quarax|talk]]) 20:29, 19 November 2015 (EST)

::::I was checking out a few of the guns to see if I recognize any real-world weaponry in them, which is proving to be a challenge, and this one [http://i.imgur.com/Bwk7dJc.jpg here] I think was built around a shotgun and, judging by the slide/pump area (dunno the actual name, sorry), I'm thinking a Neostead.
:::::Looks like just a fabricated prop to me. [[User:Mr. Wolf|Mr. Wolf]] ([[User talk:Mr. Wolf|talk]]) 05:05, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::Looking at the "pump", maybe built off of some sort of water gun? --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 07:45, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::I think that like a lot of these guns there are real parts used, such as the stock which is either from a Tantal or East German AK. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:46, 21 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Looks like this along with one or two other weapons are actually based off of the [[Bergmann Model 1896]]. The grip shape, trigger area and magazine housing are all very distinctive. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 11:38, 11 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::The second pistol-with-a-brick-for-a-muzzle looks like an M1911 with an extended beavertail lives in it. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 09:40, 20 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::Was looking at it while half-asleep before, it's a Desert Eagle:
:::::::[[Image:SwPropDeagle.jpg|thumb|none|600px|"Trandoshan Tripler on a Shorosuub blaster:" note the Desert Eagle's long beavertail, slide release and textured grip.]]
:::::::[[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 21:29, 20 November 2015 (EST)
::::::::A few other things we get from these images. Firstly, we can see the double stack step on Poe's blaster confirming that it is based on a P226. There are also a couple of blasters which are based more on the original Sterling than the stormtrooper rifles which look a lot like the original DH-17 rebel blasters (one of which appears to be battle damaged and has a stock, different sights and a few other slight differences). There is another version of the G36 blaster fitted with a stock, and from stuff I have seen my guess is that these are the standard Resistance blaster rifle. Lastly, I think there is actually an M1911 in one of these guns, just not that one. If you look at the one with the bone handle and long square barrel, the only exposed parts of the base gun are the trigger, trigger guard and magazine release, and the me these look like they are from a 1911 variant with a "3 hole" trigger:[[File:SWTFA bone blaster.jpg|thumb|450px|none|Huttsplitter blaster]] --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 05:35, 21 November 2015 (EST)
:::::::::Beavertail's visible right of the circular thing, too, it's one of the upturned ones. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] ([[User talk:Evil Tim|talk]]) 07:18, 21 November 2015 (EST)
Pretty sure I saw a Barrett M82 in the bar/cantina/merc hideout. The really huge dude with a girl on his lap has it.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:46, 22 December 2015 (EST)
::::::::::Mean this gun? --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 23:53, 22 December 2015 (EST)
[[File:Star-wars-force-awakens-tusk.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Barrel on the left]]
::::::::::Yes.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 10:40, 23 December 2015 (EST)
:::::::::::...And they even gave the guy a name and backstory apparently. Well, that's Star Wars for you.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 23:20, 24 December 2015 (EST)
::::::::::::From what I caught, the rifle Grummgar is holding, it's a 'hunting rifle with a remote trigger interface and a sniper barrel flash suppressor' --[[User:SeanWolf|SeanWolf]] ([[User talk:SeanWolf|talk]]) 00:28, 14 January 2016 (EST)
Some of the Guavian Death Gang enforcers are wielding pistols and rifles made off a Kalashnikov AK-101/102/105. Most of the changes add a bulkier dust-cover, some cosmetics to obscure the receiver, and the removal of the barrel and gas tube. The foregrips and trunion block rear sight are unmistakable, however. The Visual Dictionary entry refers them as "sawed-off" percussive cannons.
[[File:Guavian_Death_Gang.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Seen to the right]]
[[File:Guavian Death Gang Enforcers.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Two versions shown, pistol in upper right, rifle at bottom]]

== Star Wars Battlefront ==

Is it worth a new page for the Battlefront game? The in game weapons are incredibly accurate to the movie props, such as the Rebel's StG-44 based blaster.
[[file:SWBFB A280c.jpg|thumb|none|600px]]
:I'd be up for this as the weapons are based 1:1 on the movie props --[[User:RedRobinAlpha|RedRobinAlpha]] ([[User talk:RedRobinAlpha|talk]]) 18:46, 24 December 2015 (GMT)

File:Guavian Death Gang Enforcers.jpg

2016-04-12T00:43:09Z

Blitzen: Pulled from a scan of the Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary.

Pulled from a scan of the Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary.

File:Guavian Death Gang.jpg

2016-04-12T00:39:23Z

Blitzen: Guvaian Death Gang close-up from Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Pulled from the Wookiepedia entry http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guavian_Death_Gang

Guvaian Death Gang close-up from Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Pulled from the Wookiepedia entry http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guavian_Death_Gang

Talk:Murderers' Row

2016-01-17T23:55:26Z

Blitzen: /* Note about Wall's Gyrojet */

== Note about Wall's Gyrojet ==
Thought Wall's Gyrojet fires harpoon darts, it's not a Lancejet that looks [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100501153706/guns/images/thumb/d/d3/Lancejet.jpg/640px-Lancejet.jpg different]. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 17:25, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
:Another point about the Gyrojets, I do not think that the "pepperbox" is a genuine Gyrojet. Here is the only picture I can find of this variant, being help by the inventor Robert Mainhardt:[[File:Gyrojet volley gun.jpg|thumb|400px|none|]]As you can see the real variant did have 12 barrels an alothough similar, is definitely different to gun used in the movie. If nothing else, the vast majority of Gyrojet guns were chambered in 13mm or 12mm, and this gun has much smaller barrels. It is possible that it could be 6mm, but I think this was only used for a few dozen experimental assault rifles that were given to the US army so I doubt it is that. Also, it seems to have a needless amount of metal around the barrels with too much space between them. The real version has barrels made from very thin metal and were tightly packed together, which was possible due to the fact that it had an incredibly low chamber pressure. Also, just pointing out that pedantically this isn't a pepperbox pistol, but instead is a volley pistol. The difference is that a pepperbox has barrels which rotate on a centre axis to fire in sequence, as opposed to this which fires all barrels at the same time. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 09:31, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
::Thank you, it's all seem reasonable. So I was too gullible when I found numerous statements about Gyrojet Pepperbox in ''Murderers' Row''. So the screen gun is a pure fictional movie prop, right? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 09:53, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:::My guess is that it is a prop, but there is so little info about the various Gyrojets that I suppose it could be possible that it is a real prototype weapon. To me though, it has the ''look'' of a prop gun, looking a bit too simple and sleek, especially considering that these pistols were pure prototypes and were never produced (they were also only ever intended as a specialist military weapon for mowing down a pack of VC in one shot so I doubt they would look this "nice" for lack of a better term). Also, based on how the Gyrojets work, I imagine it is very difficult to actually get one to fire blanks (I have no idea how they manage it with the standard carbines and pistols in other movies, probably just a pyrotechnic in the barrel and no actual round at all), so it might actually be easier to just build a prop from scratch. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 10:35, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
::::I changed [[Murderers'_Row#Volley_Pistol|the description]] of this gun. Does it look correct now? [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 11:01, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:::I watched that scene from ''Murderers' Row'' today and I'm not entirely convinced that it's a prop. At one point, there's rocket plumes coming off the gun in the shots with Karl Malden, so I'm still unsure if it might a pyrotechnic gag with a guide wire or a live fire weapon. BTW, the 12-shot pepperbox version does appear in ''[[You Only Live Twice]]'', in Tiger Tanaka's introduction to the Gyrojet guns to Bond. It's on the table, between the Gyrojet Rifles and Gyrojet Carbines. [[File:Yoltw-mba1.jpg]] --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:55, 17 January 2016 (EST)--[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:55, 17 January 2016 (EST)

==Bolomauser?==
[[File:Bolomauserad.jpg|thumb|left]]
Thank you very, very much for doing a great piece on ''Murderers' Row''. I believe Helm's AR-7 variation is a Hy Hunter Bolomauser, as the weapons in ''The Ambushers'' are Hunter AR-7 variants. I hope their are pieces on all the films in that great series.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 06:01, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:Well, I found out that I was wrong: Charter Arms started manufacturing of AR-7 only in 1973, so the screen gun cannot be Explorer II. But as Hy Hunter Bolomauser and Charter Arms Explorer II look just the same and both perfectly fit the screen gun, I think that we can keep the existing image with an addition that it's another but same looking gun. Thank you for clarification. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 06:22, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
 
==Thank you, gentlemen==
[[File:Yolt-1.jpg|thumb|800px|left]]
 
Thank you very much for your efforts to educate us. Enclosed is a piece from ''Esquire'' magazine promoting ''[[You Only Live Twice]]'' that featured several concepts that did not make it to the completed film. The same magazine did a similiar piece on ''[[Thunderball]]'' showing a variety of interesting dart guns that weren't in the completed film.

My theory is both Irwin Allen and his former partner Cubby Broccoli (and Harry Saltzman) saw the 1966 piece in ''Life'' magazine on MBA and the Gyrojet weapons. Interesting how ''Murderers' Row'' beat YOLT to the post and also started the film with Matt Helm having a faked death and a trick cigarette. Also interesting how the Bond films of the '70s resembled the Helm films of the '60s (jokey villains, even the golden bullet on the poster of ''[[The Man with the Golden Gun]]'' resembling the "Matt Helm" bullet in the pre-credits sequence of ''[[The Silencers]]'' with Jaws meeting his demise in ''[[The Spy Who Loved Me]]'' in a similar manner to Ironhead in ''Murderers' Row''.[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 19:09, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
 
==MAB P-15?==
Could the mystery pistol used by the police in their vehicle be an [[MAB PA-15]]? The weapon came out in 1966 and though Dino refused to go to Europe, second unit action sequences were shot in France and the Isle of Wight (hovercraft and helicopter scenes, the latter the same one that flew the Beatles out at the end of ''A Hard Day's Night'')[[User:Foofbun|Foofbun]] ([[User talk:Foofbun|talk]]) 18:54, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
:As for me, this pistol resembles more some Beretta model (maybe [[Beretta M1934]]). If my eyes doesn't mistake, it has typical Beretta open top slide. But maybe I'm wrong. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 03:12, 10 August 2014 (EDT)
==2nd Guess==
Is it a [[MAS M1935S]]?
:Hardly. The screen pistol has a flat top without raised rear sight that it typical for 35S. I think that it's most likely a Beretta, maybe [[Beretta M1934]] but it's still a guess. [[User:Greg-Z|Greg-Z]] ([[User talk:Greg-Z|talk]]) 01:28, 24 September 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-26T03:17:22Z

Blitzen: /* Weapons sites */

The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.

The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
:Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]])
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

[[File:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

=Moved from main page=
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.

:I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Unknown Machine gun==
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

I was going through some stills from the film, and apparently this gun does make an appearance in the film. It's in the armory scene in the weapons rack. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:58, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

[[Image:Elysium_-_Armory_Shot.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Off to the far right, you can see the dismounted door gun, the Cousar Crowe carbines, and, of course, Max carrying the Chemrail rifle]]

==aZMD AKM==
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.
:::Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Taser Carbine==
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]]
:Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Weapons sites==
Sources for weapons specifications.
http://www.civilcooperationbureau.com/weapons-vehicles/
http://www.wetanz.com/tst-chemrail-dual-stage-linear-motor-rifle-prop-replica/
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

Since we're bringing up that, these also popped up on the Elysium auction. They claimed their screen used but I can not recall what scenes they're in. The first is a gold-painted pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle and the other is an olive-drab Chemrail rifle, covered with camo tape, that was supposedly used by Drake (Brandon Auret). Of interesting note, the auction mentions that Drake's rifle is a functional prop, with a battery-operated sight display and reciprocating barrel, so that means it had to have been used on screen (or cut footage) at some point.--[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 23:17, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

[[Image:Elysium_-_Carlyle_Pistol.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:14765628.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-26T03:16:56Z

Blitzen: /* Weapons sites */

The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.

The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
:Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]])
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

[[File:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

=Moved from main page=
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.

:I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Unknown Machine gun==
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

I was going through some stills from the film, and apparently this gun does make an appearance in the film. It's in the armory scene in the weapons rack. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:58, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

[[Image:Elysium_-_Armory_Shot.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Off to the far right, you can see the dismounted door gun, the Cousar Crowe carbines, and, of course, Max carrying the Chemrail rifle]]

==aZMD AKM==
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.
:::Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Taser Carbine==
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]]
:Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Weapons sites==
Sources for weapons specifications.
http://www.civilcooperationbureau.com/weapons-vehicles/
http://www.wetanz.com/tst-chemrail-dual-stage-linear-motor-rifle-prop-replica/
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

Since we're bringing up that, these also popped up on the Elysium auction. They claimed their screen used but I can not recall what scenes they're in. The first is a gold-painted pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle and the other is an olive-drab Chemrail rifle, covered with camo tape, that was supposedly used by Drake (Brandon Auret). Of interesting note, the auction mentions that Drake's rifle is a functional prop, with a battery-operated sight display and reciprocating barrel, so that means it had to have been used on screen (or cut footage) at some point.

[[Image:Elysium_-_Carlyle_Pistol.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:14765628.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

File:Elysium - Carlyle Pistol.jpeg

2013-08-26T03:10:09Z

Blitzen: Pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle (William Fichtner) in Elysium. Photo from Elysium auction site.

Pistol supposedly used by John Carlyle (William Fichtner) in Elysium. Photo from Elysium auction site.

File:14765628.jpg

2013-08-26T03:07:38Z

Blitzen: Chemrail Rifle used by Drake (Brandon Auret) in Elysium. From Elysium auction site.

Chemrail Rifle used by Drake (Brandon Auret) in Elysium. From Elysium auction site.

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-26T02:58:03Z

Blitzen: /* Unknown Machine gun */

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-26T02:57:44Z

Blitzen: /* Moved from main page */

The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.

The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
:Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]])
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

[[File:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

=Moved from main page=
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.

:I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Unknown Machine gun==
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

I was going through some stills from the film, and apparently this gun does make an appearance in the film. It's in the armory scene in the weapons rack.

[[Image:Elysium_-_Armory_Shot.jpeg|thumb|none|600px|Off to the far right, you can see the dismounted door gun, the Cousar Crowe carbines, and, of course, Max carrying the Chemrail rifle]]

==aZMD AKM==
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.
:::Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Taser Carbine==
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]]
:Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Weapons sites==
Sources for weapons specifications.
http://www.civilcooperationbureau.com/weapons-vehicles/
http://www.wetanz.com/tst-chemrail-dual-stage-linear-motor-rifle-prop-replica/
--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 20:25, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

File:Elysium - Armory Shot.jpeg

2013-08-26T02:54:10Z

Blitzen: Shot of the Chemrail rifle, the Cousar Crowe SMG, and the dismounted door gun from the armory scene, from Elysium.

Shot of the Chemrail rifle, the Cousar Crowe SMG, and the dismounted door gun from the armory scene, from Elysium.

Elysium

2013-08-14T22:58:21Z

Blitzen: /* Cousar Crowe assault rifle */

{{NowShowing}}
{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name=Elysium
|picture=Elysium 2013 poster.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=[[Neill Blomkamp]]
|writer=[[Neill Blomkamp]]
|date=9 August 2013
|character1=Max De Costa
|actor1=[[Matt Damon]]
|character2=Secretary Rhodes
|actor2=[[Jodie Foster]]
|character3=Kruger
|actor3=[[Sharlto Copley]]
|character4=John Carlyle
|actor4=[[William Fichtner]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Pistols=
==Beretta 93R==
Sandro ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) wields dual [[Beretta 93R]] pistols in the film.
[[Image:Beretta M93.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R with wood grips - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013beretta93r2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production still.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013Beretta93R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sandro ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) firing his Berettas.]]

==Walther P99==
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013waltherp99.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) with a [[Walther P99]].]]

==Unknown Pistol==
Human Elysium security forces carry an unidentified sci-fi pistol.
[[Image:Elysium2013unknownpistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

=Rifles=
==AKM==
A dressed up [[AKM]] rifle is used by Max ([[Matt Damon]]), firing airbusting ammunition.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[AKM|AKM]], Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Elysium ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Side view]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another side view]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) clearing a malfunction for Max De Costa ([[Matt Damon]]).]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hi-res production still]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akmammo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) hands Max ([[Matt Damon]]) airburst ammunition. He claims the rounds have a 5-meter kill radius, making each round as powerful as present-day 40x46mm grenade. ]]

==FN SCAR-L==
Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) and Max ([[Matt Damon]]) use a [[FN SCAR-L]] assault rifle during the data heist. Its 5.56×45mm ammunition, unlike the AKM's airbust rounds, prove highly ineffective against the security droids.
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation FN SCAR-L (5.56×45mm NATO)]]
[[Image:Elysium2013fnscar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) with a SCAR-L.]]

==Vektor R4==
The resistance fighter escorting Frey and Matilda carries a well-worn [[Vektor R4]] assault rifle.
[[Image:VektorR4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Vektor R4 assault rifle of the South African forces with 50-round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

==AR-15==
An AR-15 variant can be seen in the film.
[[Image:Elysium3013AR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Norinco QBZ-97B ==
One of the resistance fighters who accompanies Spyder to Elysium carries a [[Norinco QBZ-97B]]
[[Image:QBZ97B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco QBZ-97B - 5.56x45mm]]

==Chem Rail==
Max ([[Matt Damon]]) grabs a Chemrail while fighting in the armory on Elysium. The weapon has a high rate of fire, and its high-velocity rounds rip right through walls and shred enemies. However, the blazing rate of fire forces Max to ditch the weapon for a fresh gun quickly. Judging by the name, firing effects, and the fact it seems to fire semi-normal ammunition, it is probably a combination of normal rifle firing caseless rounds with electromagnetic rails to increase velocity.
[[Image:Elysium rail gun.jpg|thumb|none|550px| According to the magazine, the Chemrail is chambered for 8.75x52mm. ]]
[[Image:Elysium rail.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max opens fire in the armory, Swiss-cheesing an opponent on the other side of a wall.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013chemrail.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

==Cousar Crowe assault rifle ==
The Cousar Crowe is a fictional assault rifle carried by Elysium security droids, human security, and Kruger's team. According to the official site, it is a 40 kg anti-material rifle firing .22 caliber hyper-velocity rounds. According to the prop itself, it is made in Brazil and fires 5.25x25mm electro-chemically propelled rounds. The movie itself treats it as a bog standard assault rifle that is neither heavy nor particularly powerful.
[[Image:Elysium sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Elysium Homeland Defense Force security bot detains an illegal immigrant.]]
[[Image:Elysium trailer sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Carlyle's security droids aims its weapon as it engages Max and Julio during the data heist. Carlyle is rich, so both the droid and its weapon have incredibly tacky gold plating.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown12578.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Kruger's men holds his Cousar Crowe as he ducks an explosion during the attempted takeover]]
[[Image:elysium2013unknown5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]
[[Image:Elysium_(2013)_Coursar_Crowe_Rifle_Detail_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Magazine detail, taken from auction bid. The magazine supposedly contains 40 rounds of 5.25x25mm ammunition, set off by a 5 Amp charge.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
Max De Costa ([[Matt Damon]]) uses a [[Remington 870]] with a short barrel, M4-style stock, a doorbreaching muzzle device, and Surefire weaponslight foregrip.
[[Image:Rem870w618Surefire.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 with Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) holds the Remington 870. He mentions that it's loaded with guided high-explosive rounds.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max fires the 870 at a private shuttle before discarding the weapon]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine guns=

==Fictional door gun==
A door gun is mounted on the R-165 Raven Assault VTOL Kruger ([[Sharlto Copley]]) and his men ride.
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes prop.]]

==FN Minimi SPW (Knight's Armament ChainSAW Mock-Up)==
Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) uses an FN Minimi SPW mocked up to look like a KAC ChainSAW (a modified Stoner 96 LMG with chainsaw grips, Cobray flare launcher, and suppressor) during the data heist.
[[Image:FNminimiSPW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Minimi SPW - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|KAC ChainSAW - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the Minimi-style gas regulator cap and front sight.]]

=Launchers=
==Missile launcher==
Kruger ([[Sharlto Copley]]) uses a surface-to-space missile launcher that looks similar to a [[M202 FLASH|M202A1 FLASH]]. It fires ground-to-space missiles at about 518 kilometers per second, or 45 times escape velocity.
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Front covers closed]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Front covers opening]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of instructions]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kruger firing off three rockets.]]

==Sky Sweeper grenade launcher==
John Carlyle's ([[William Fichtner]]) security droids carry Sky Sweeper grenade launchers mounted on their Crowe assault rifles. According to the official site, the device is a 15kg, 25mm caliber missile launcher that fires megaton-range explosive rounds at escape velocity, and is able to engage targets on Earth from the Moon. In the actual movie, the weapon apears closer to 40mm caliber and suffers from Video Game Grenade Launcher Syndrome, turning the supposedly-powerful weapon into an inaccurate dumbfire weapon whose rounds do zero damage. However, only his droids ever carry the launcher, suggesting that it may well add a good deal of weight to the rifle it is mounted on.
[[Image:Elysium trailer sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Explosives=
==Grenade==
An unknown model of hand grenade is used by one of Carlyle's security droids, Max, and Kruger's team.
[[Image:Elysium2013grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grenade lands under a car after a security droid casually tosses during the data heist]]
[[Image:Elysium2013explosivegernade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Action]]
[[Category:Science Fiction]]

Elysium

2013-08-14T22:56:00Z

Blitzen: /* Cousar Crowe assault rifle */

{{NowShowing}}
{{Infobox Movie|{{PAGENAME}}
|name=Elysium
|picture=Elysium 2013 poster.jpg
|caption=''Theatrical Release Poster''
|country=[[Image:USA.jpg|25px]] United States
|director=[[Neill Blomkamp]]
|writer=[[Neill Blomkamp]]
|date=9 August 2013
|character1=Max De Costa
|actor1=[[Matt Damon]]
|character2=Secretary Rhodes
|actor2=[[Jodie Foster]]
|character3=Kruger
|actor3=[[Sharlto Copley]]
|character4=John Carlyle
|actor4=[[William Fichtner]]
}}

{{Film Title}}

__TOC__ 

=Pistols=
==Beretta 93R==
Sandro ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) wields dual [[Beretta 93R]] pistols in the film.
[[Image:Beretta M93.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Beretta 93R with wood grips - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013beretta93r2.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Production still.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013Beretta93R.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Sandro ([[Jose Pablo Cantillo]]) firing his Berettas.]]

==Walther P99==
[[Image:Walther-P99-Pistol.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Walther P99 - 9x19mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013waltherp99.jpg|thumb|none|550px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) with a [[Walther P99]].]]

==Unknown Pistol==
Human Elysium security forces carry an unidentified sci-fi pistol.
[[Image:Elysium2013unknownpistol.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

=Rifles=
==AKM==
A dressed up [[AKM]] rifle is used by Max ([[Matt Damon]]), firing airbusting ammunition.
[[Image:AKMRifle.jpg|thumb|none|400px|[[AKM|AKM]], Stamped Steel Receiver w/ slant muzzle brake - 7.62x39mm]]
[[Image:Elysium ak.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Side view]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Another side view]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) clearing a malfunction for Max De Costa ([[Matt Damon]]).]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akm5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Hi-res production still]]
[[Image:Elysium2013akmammo.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) hands Max ([[Matt Damon]]) airburst ammunition. He claims the rounds have a 5-meter kill radius, making each round as powerful as present-day 40x46mm grenade. ]]

==FN SCAR-L==
Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) and Max ([[Matt Damon]]) use a [[FN SCAR-L]] assault rifle during the data heist. Its 5.56×45mm ammunition, unlike the AKM's airbust rounds, prove highly ineffective against the security droids.
[[Image:FN SCAR-L (Standard).jpg|thumb|none|400px|Third Generation FN SCAR-L (5.56×45mm NATO)]]
[[Image:Elysium2013fnscar.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Julio ([[Diego Luna]]) with a SCAR-L.]]

==Vektor R4==
The resistance fighter escorting Frey and Matilda carries a well-worn [[Vektor R4]] assault rifle.
[[Image:VektorR4.jpg|thumb|none|450px|Vektor R4 assault rifle of the South African forces with 50-round magazine - 5.56x45mm]]

==AR-15==
An AR-15 variant can be seen in the film.
[[Image:Elysium3013AR15.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

== Norinco QBZ-97B ==
One of the resistance fighters who accompanies Spyder to Elysium carries a [[Norinco QBZ-97B]]
[[Image:QBZ97B.jpg|thumb|none|500px|Norinco QBZ-97B - 5.56x45mm]]

==Chem Rail==
Max ([[Matt Damon]]) grabs a Chemrail while fighting in the armory on Elysium. The weapon has a high rate of fire, and its high-velocity rounds rip right through walls and shred enemies. However, the blazing rate of fire forces Max to ditch the weapon for a fresh gun quickly. Judging by the name, firing effects, and the fact it seems to fire semi-normal ammunition, it is probably a combination of normal rifle firing caseless rounds with electromagnetic rails to increase velocity.
[[Image:Elysium rail gun.jpg|thumb|none|550px| According to the magazine, the Chemrail is chambered for 8.75x52mm. ]]
[[Image:Elysium rail.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max opens fire in the armory, Swiss-cheesing an opponent on the other side of a wall.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013chemrail.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

==Cousar Crowe assault rifle ==
The Cousar Crowe is a fictional assault rifle carried by Elysium security droids, human security, and Kruger's team. According to the official site, it is a 40 kg anti-material rifle firing .22 caliber hyper-velocity rounds. The movie itself treats it as a bog standard assault rifle that is neither heavy nor particularly powerful.
[[Image:Elysium sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|An Elysium Homeland Defense Force security bot detains an illegal immigrant.]]
[[Image:Elysium trailer sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Carlyle's security droids aims its weapon as it engages Max and Julio during the data heist. Carlyle is rich, so both the droid and its weapon have incredibly tacky gold plating.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown12578.jpg|thumb|none|600px|One of Kruger's men holds his Cousar Crowe as he ducks an explosion during the attempted takeover]]
[[Image:elysium2013unknown5.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]
[[Image:Elysium_(2013)_Coursar_Crowe_Rifle_Detail_1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Magazine detail, taken from auction bid. The magazine supposedly contains 40 rounds of 5.25x25mm ammunition, set off by a 5 Amp charge.]]

=Shotguns=

==Remington 870==
Max De Costa ([[Matt Damon]]) uses a [[Remington 870]] with a short barrel, M4-style stock, a doorbreaching muzzle device, and Surefire weaponslight foregrip.
[[Image:Rem870w618Surefire.jpg‎|thumb|none|600px|Remington 870 with Surefire dedicated forend weaponlight - 12 gauge.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) holds the Remington 870. He mentions that it's loaded with guided high-explosive rounds.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Max fires the 870 at a private shuttle before discarding the weapon]]
[[Image:Elysium2013shotgun1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Machine guns=

==Fictional door gun==
A door gun is mounted on the R-165 Raven Assault VTOL Kruger ([[Sharlto Copley]]) and his men ride.
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Behind the scenes prop.]]

==FN Minimi SPW (Knight's Armament ChainSAW Mock-Up)==
Manuel ([[Adrian Holmes]]) uses an FN Minimi SPW mocked up to look like a KAC ChainSAW (a modified Stoner 96 LMG with chainsaw grips, Cobray flare launcher, and suppressor) during the data heist.
[[Image:FNminimiSPW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Minimi SPW - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|KAC ChainSAW - 5.56x45mm]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Notice the Minimi-style gas regulator cap and front sight.]]

=Launchers=
==Missile launcher==
Kruger ([[Sharlto Copley]]) uses a surface-to-space missile launcher that looks similar to a [[M202 FLASH|M202A1 FLASH]]. It fires ground-to-space missiles at about 518 kilometers per second, or 45 times escape velocity.
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Front covers closed]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Front covers opening]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Close up of instructions]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:Elysium2013launcher4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Kruger firing off three rockets.]]

==Sky Sweeper grenade launcher==
John Carlyle's ([[William Fichtner]]) security droids carry Sky Sweeper grenade launchers mounted on their Crowe assault rifles. According to the official site, the device is a 15kg, 25mm caliber missile launcher that fires megaton-range explosive rounds at escape velocity, and is able to engage targets on Earth from the Moon. In the actual movie, the weapon apears closer to 40mm caliber and suffers from Video Game Grenade Launcher Syndrome, turning the supposedly-powerful weapon into an inaccurate dumbfire weapon whose rounds do zero damage. However, only his droids ever carry the launcher, suggesting that it may well add a good deal of weight to the rifle it is mounted on.
[[Image:Elysium trailer sub.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]

=Explosives=
==Grenade==
An unknown model of hand grenade is used by one of Carlyle's security droids, Max, and Kruger's team.
[[Image:Elysium2013grenade.jpg|thumb|none|600px|The grenade lands under a car after a security droid casually tosses during the data heist]]
[[Image:Elysium2013explosivegernade.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Displayed at San Diego Comic-Con.]]

[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Action]]
[[Category:Science Fiction]]

File:Elysium (2013) Coursar Crowe Rifle Detail 1.jpg

2013-08-14T22:50:01Z

Blitzen: Taken from http://vipfanauctions.com/elysium-auctions/

Taken from http://vipfanauctions.com/elysium-auctions/

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-14T22:45:27Z

Blitzen: /* Moved from main page */

The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.

The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
:Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]])
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

[[File:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

=Moved from main page=
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.

:I'm monitoring the auction site, but apparently this is in the film. It's described in the auction as "ELYSIUM SIR JOHN CARLYLE WILLIAM FICHTNER SCREEN USED WETA SHUTTLE PROP DEVICE", so I'm guessing it's in the heist scene, but it's probably hanging somewhere in the background. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Unknown Machine gun==
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

==aZMD AKM==
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.
:::Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

==Taser Carbine==
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]]
:Belated signature --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 18:45, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-14T00:33:30Z

Blitzen:

The second gun looks like CGI, which it probably is, the third just looks like a prop, looks a bit like scar, but the magazine seems a bit far and I see no reason why they would put a gun underneath the shell if the magazine is not there, besides it doesn't shoot bullets so no point in a working gun.

The last gun in the unknown 1 section looks a bit like a TDI Vector, but I could just be imagining angles. I would assume the Chemrail is a prop built for the movie and doesn't really function, but then again stranger things have happened (the shockingly functional Zorg Pod weapon from the Fifth Element). -Jerkyman45
:Is the ChemRail a DSR50 or based off of it? It kinda looks like there's a spare magazine in the frame of the stock. --[[User:DeltaOne|DeltaOne]] ([[User talk:DeltaOne|talk]]) 07:31, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

I think Unknown for is this:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/19/knights-armament-chain-saw/
:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/2009shotshow-day3-2009shotshow-01172009-001.jpg[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 00:34, 1 August 2013 (EDT)

:I don't think it is exactly, but it's definitely based off of it. You get a nice shot of it during the film, the fire control unit looks to be much bulkier than the KAC ChainSAW, so it's likely a custom conversion done by the film armorers. I do think the weapon is a M249 or Minimi SAW, but would need to see the film or that scene again to make sure. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 22:13, 11 August 2013 (EDT)

:: Yeah, the gun isn't a Minimi variant. Can't figure out what it is though, it's got the M249 belt box. The rebel with Frey and Matilda at the end has a well-worn R4, and there's what look to be Colt M933s or Mk.18s with suppressors in Spyder's command center. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Second thought, I think it is. I'm marking it as so on the main page until the DVD/Blu-ray comes out to show otherwise.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:39, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

Towards the end of the film, one of Spider's men is carrying a QBZ carbine (that distinctive flash hider can be seen). I couldn't see whether it was a 95 or 97, but 97 I think is more likely. I believe he's the one that gets killed by that explosive throwing star.[[User:Korium9|Korium9]] ([[User talk:Korium9|talk]])
: Yeah, probably a 97. "It's only a flesh wound" '''''BOOM''''' --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 11:16, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:: I haven't seen this film, ''YET'', but I was just wondering; does Agent Kruger use a firearm of any kind in this film, or does he go by his ninja sword and exploding ninja stars? --[[User:Warejaws|Warejaws]] ([[User talk:Warejaws|talk]]) 11:35, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
::: Well he uses the quad missile launcher, but i don't remember any others off the top off my head. Said missile launcher's rounds are going 518m/s, BTW. Oh, and he uses a shield that takes the equivalent of two dozen M203 rounds before failing. He also BBQs with his katana.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

The unknown 4 is a SAW variant I think its specifically modified from this http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz92/shaunr_2009/WTF.jpg --[[User:Iceman|Iceman]] ([[User talk:Iceman|talk]]) 12:33, 12 August 2013 (EDT)
: Yeah, I called it 10 days ago. Good eye though.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] ([[User talk:Mandolin|talk]]) 12:41, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

[[File:KAC ChianSAW.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Uploaded two years ago.]] --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 12:51, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

=Moved from main page=
I don't think this was in the movie, so I'm putting it here.
==Unknown Machine gun==
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Matt Damon holding a prop behind the scenes.]]
[[Image:Elysium2013unknown1.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
:Interesting enough, somewhat similar muzzle design has already appeared in Aaron Back's [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vD4U5h2EtCs/TZrK-Tfoc2I/AAAAAAAAAZI/TNZ4aU1QFyA/s1600/heavy_anvil.jpg earlier pieces]. Side mounted trigger group heavily reminds me of [[Denel_PAW-20|PAW-20]] which was probably influential during design of this weapon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 15:01, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::My guess it's the manportable version of the Asgari Chemrail gun before they decided to make it more rifle-like, as seen in the finished product. The muzzle matches both the Raven-mounted side gun version and the later rifle version. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:14, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

::Actually, now looking over the side gun in the article, it's the same gun. The finish is darker gunmetal and not blaze safety yellow of the side gun, the green battery back or ammo cassette is clearly visible, and the butterfly grips almost match the same position and look of the side grip. I still say it's probably going to be usedfor the armory gunfight, but they made something a bit more handy out of the Chemrail rifle. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:23, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

==aZMD AKM==
The Russian on the side of the airburst modules seems to be fairly functional. My guess is that it's called the aZMD (or, really аМЗД), based off the Cyrillic on the side of the sight. The module hooked to the magazine released reads "задать ДИСТ" or "Specify remote". I'm not sure what the button nearest the magazine says, but I'm guess it's "рожим" or rozhim, but I really think it's "размах" or range, which would fit if it's for an airburst unit. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 20:57, 12 August 2013 (EDT)

:As a native Cyrillic reader my self I'm more inclined to say that it is вМЗД. It's probably supposed to be an acronym for the name of the top mounted air-burst computer module. As much as "размах" makes sense, it looks much more like "режим" (mode or regime) to me. Word "рожим" isn't familiar to me, so I'm opting that it's probably not it. "Задать дист." certainly stands for "задать дистанция" or 'set distance'. I can also make out inscription on the computer module over the gas block. It reads "Автомат Калашникова" but it's followed up by something indecipherable from the current screenshots. Hope this helps somewhat and hope we get better pictures of that prop soon. --[[User:BeloglaviSup|BeloglaviSup]] ([[User talk:BeloglaviSup|talk]]) 05:40, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

::Yeah, you're probably going to be better at this than I am. I assumed that the AZMD/BZMD was an acronym, but thanks for clearing up some of the other stuff, especially the "режим" button. "Mode" makes a bit more sense, because "размах" seemed to long.

==Taser Carbine==
I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but apparently Media Rights Captial is putting some stuff up for auction, including both a resin and rubber pistol used by Josh Blacker (Crowe) and a Taser Carbine, that is said to have been screen-used, but I can't remember where. The auction site says no specific character information was given, so I assume it was used by an extra in some of the Homeland Security bunker scenes.
[[Image:Elysium_Taser_Carbine.JPG|thumb|none|600px|SMG Dummy Taser]]

File:Elysium Taser Carbine.JPG

2013-08-14T00:22:37Z

Blitzen: Screen-used Taser Carbine featured in Elysium (2013), from VIP Auctions - Elysium website.

Screen-used Taser Carbine featured in Elysium (2013), from VIP Auctions - Elysium website.

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-13T00:57:30Z

Blitzen:

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-13T00:23:28Z

Blitzen: /* Unknown Machine gun */

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-13T00:14:31Z

Blitzen: /* Unknown Machine gun */

Talk:Elysium

2013-08-12T02:13:02Z

Blitzen:

Talk:Ghost in the Shell (1995)

2013-07-20T11:43:52Z

Blitzen: /* HV Ammo */

I had a good going over of this page; I feel that apart from being severely lacking in information and with several errors, using one page for three films and two TV series occupying two parallel continua was somewhat silly. I've studied the guns from the GITS series in depth; I fully intend to make pages for each film and each series in the future, and populate all of them with far more than I've cropped from here. In the meantime I'm using this to store this paragraph.

In the Stand Alone Complex TV series, Togusa carries a fictional Mateba 2006M, which quite closely resembles the real Mateba Unica-6 autorevolver, a semiautomatic revolver with uses the recoil of firing to revolve the cylinder and cock the hammer. The most visible difference from the Unica-6 is a ventilated rib that the 2006M lacks, although the grip is also different.
[[Image:Mateba_6_Unica.jpg|thumb|none|300px|MATEBA Unica-6]]

Sadly I'm 5500 miles from my DVDs presently so I can't really back this up with screenshots as good as I'd like to, but I'll do what I can. [[User:YourMessageHere|YourMessageHere]] 16:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mateba 2006M vs. Mateba 6 Unica ==

Togusa's revolver is modeled after the Mateba 2006M. This is a real gun and it is different from the Mateba 6 Unica Autorevolver. To reload 2006M you swing out the cylinder upwards to the left, just like in the movie. The 6 Unica's cylinder moves downward instead. Also, the top of the Unica's frame is open, which is clearly not the case for Togusa's gun.

Hence Togusa's Mateba/Matever resembles a 2006M and not a 6 Unica.

Youtube video comparing both revolvers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0zxgyim_g4

02:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

== Another rant about Togusa's gun ==

The article currently states: "Togusa carries yet another fictionalized version of a real gun, the Mateba 2008M, a spinoff of the 2006M variant of the Mateba model 6 Unica." This is incorrect. The 2006M is not a variant of the 6 Unica, they are very different models. In fact the 2006M was built starting from the early 80s while the 6 Unica became available as recently as the late 90s. The biggest difference between those two guns is that the 6 Unica has a slide and is capable of semi-automatic fire while the 2006M can only be fired as single- or double action.

One thing I'm not sure about is the naming. Does anybody have an official source saying that this particular gun from the movie is supposed to be called 2008? I have seen the artbooks for SAC and they call Togusa's gun from SAC a 2008, but that is a different gun. It would be strange if the creators gave the same number to two different guns. Also there is an airsoft replica which calls itself 2007 and claims to be officially licensed: http://www.marushin-kk.co.jp/itemmateba.html
21:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== The P90 does not field strip like the M22 ==

According to one of the caps, it shows them field stripping an M22 where it swings open forward like an AR-15. The FN P90 that the M22 is based off of does not open forward and tilt on a hinge. The front of of a P90 just comes apart forward from the rest of the body. Here's a vid of a PS90 (The civi P90) being field stripped. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IhG1o1bz_I [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== M22 vs. M23 ==

Motoko Kusanagi calls her weapon M23 (you can hear her pronouncing it as "ni-san", meaning "two-three") and it is translated as M-23 in all english subtitles that I have. Why does the article call this weapon M22? 
: バトー「装備は？」
: 草薙「M23とユニットB。」
: Batou: Equipment?
: Kusanagi: M23 and UnittoB
Also: What's a Unit-B?
19:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

It's an M22 because the official manual calls it an M22. What the voice actor pronounces is a different matter. I checked, there is no M23 in the Ghost in the shell universe [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

What is this official manual and comprehensive list of all guns in the GitS universe that you are talking about? 22:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't read Japanese, but it's written in the official guide to the Ghost in the Shell universe a friend of mine has. In it listed most things like guns in English including numbers. I have read in other sources online that it is called M-23, but most places has M22 written down. A site that makes airsoft shells of anime guns and it is a Japanese site, calls it M22 or the 9Weapon. So, unless we find some way to ask the creator what the official designation, I'm sticking with M22 because it's the most hits on a search engine over M23. [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]]

== HV Ammo ==

While the article featuring the Micro Uzi is correct in asserting that High Velocity ammunition wouldn't foul the gun's bore, '''HV''' stands for '''Hyper-Velocity''' in GITS canon, the next logical step in pushing performance of conventional ballistics. Even so, a gun would disassemble itself long before sliding its firer backwards along the ground due to the party-pooper known more commonly as 'physics'. A clear demonstration of the distinction between High and Hyper-velocity is the effect the rounds have on the armored van Togusa and Kusanagi arrive in, discharging an incredible amount of energy into the body of the vehicle before the explosive charges take effect. Unless, of course, the explosion was a dramatically-delayed, cinematic result of a fuel-tank puncture, which still speaks volumes of the rounds' impossible penetrating power. [[User: AnomylousAnonymous]]

wat? In order for rounds to have more velocity without changing barrel lenghts or without adding a silencer is to make the rounds hotter, in other words more powder. Adding too much can damage the gun, for example the bolt slamming back and forth too fast and damaging the frame, upper reciever, etc.--[[User:FIVETWOSEVEN|FIVETWOSEVEN]] 13:29, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

^ That sounds like a more compact version of my statement. Not sure what you mean about adding a silencer increasing a round's velocity, though. That's just... wrong. [[User: AnomylousAnonymous]]
::Which is why you don't load fancy schmancy ammo types in older style guns. You're just asking for the gun to blow up in your hands. [[User: Young Gun]]

The Hypervelocity Ammo should be addressed at some point. Unfortunately, it's never shown in the film, but the 9mm HV ammo are actually bottlenecked 9mm cartridges to be fitted with a 4-5mm pointed-tip penetrator round, but use a sabot ring around the projectile, so it can still be fired in a 9mm gun. It's kinda goofy-looking and I don't know if it could work in real life. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] ([[User talk:Blitzen|talk]]) 07:43, 20 July 2013 (EDT)

Talk:The Interceptor (Zapreshchyonnaya Realnost)

2012-04-19T06:11:43Z

Blitzen: /* Submachine gun with helical magazine */

=SPAS-12 style shotgun=
This shotgun looks like [[Franchi SPAS-12]] but his receiver looks different. I don't know what it actually.
[[Image:ZapReal-PumpShtgn.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ZapReal-PumpShtgn2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ZapReal-PumpShtgn3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ZapReal-PumpShtgn4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 17:33, 02 February 2012 (CST)
:Since it looks like he's smashing someone in the head with it, it may be a rubber replica. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:45, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::The stock appears to have been taped to the receiver, presumably to stop it opening whilst it is being swung around. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 05:02, 3 February 2012 (CST)

=Submachine gun with helical magazine=
Another strange weapon. This submachine gun looks like customized [[Heckler & Koch MP5]] but it may be just some sort of dummies
[[Image:ZapReal-MP.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ZapReal-MP2.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[Image:ZapReal-MP3.jpg|thumb|none|600px|Also note the strange assault rifle]]
[[Image:ZapReal-MP4.jpg|thumb|none|600px|]]
[[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 17:33, 02 February 2012 (CST)
:[[Izhmash PP-19 Bizon]], I think. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] 17:44, 2 February 2012 (CST)
::No, I think it's a SIG SG 552 mocked up to look like a PP19. --[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 18:54, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:::A SIG 552 rupper prop, that is.--[[User:Mandolin|Mandolin]] 20:58, 2 February 2012 (CST)
:Judging from the two photos here, that strange assault rifle looks to be a [[Howa Type 89]] assault rifle. Since there's no export version, it's likely an airsoft. --[[User:Blitzen|Blitzen]] 01:11, 19 April 2012 (CDT)

== Groza = AKU-94 ==

Are you sure the OC-14 isn't just an AKU-94?--[[User:Mattatack92|Mattatack92]] 03:17, 3 February 2012 (CST)
:: You're right. It is really an AKU-94 -- [[User:Bednardos|Bednardos]] 02:27, 03 February 2012 (CST)