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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* About Me */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
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Im 19 Years old from the UK Studying war studies at University and if all goes well after that ill be off on to the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst afterwards, I regularly shoot with my local rifle club and enjoy history (the gorier the better) and firearms. I used to be part of the the Army Cadet Force and whilst at uni im in the Officer Trainig Corps.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* L96A1 still in use? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You can pretty much boil it all down to blaming America. They said the .280 was underpowered, whilst Britain, Canada and Belgium said the 7.62x51mm would be uncontrollable in full auto (based on the fact that the US eventually switched to the even smaller 5.56x45mm it is pretty obvious who was right). When Winston Churchill returned to power he felt that NATO standardisation on a round, even if it was the wrong round, was vital, so we went for the 7.62x51mm. It was a real shame, as the EM-2 was a great gun. I have actually gotten a look at one of the EM-2s that was converted to 7.62x51mm, and the quality on it was excellent. It isn't that obvious in pictures, but there is even a wood veneer over the top of the rear of the receiver for your cheek. I can imagine it was much more expensive to make than the FAL though (this may have had something to do with it) as the receiver was totally milled from a single piece of steel and had a complicated internal shape (although the actual stripping and assembly was very simple). With the intermediate round, bullpup layout and integrated optical sight it was very much ahead of its time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew about Churchill's feelings on standardisation and if im honest I think the benefit of commonality outweighed poor choice of round, from an infantry soldiers IW stand point (ive found its  a lot more fun to hump 5.56 than 7.62 and I hardly get to touch 7.62 with cadets). I've heard that it was very well made and I was lead to believe that they would have cost around 3x as much as the SLR mostly due to the fact so much milling was required, it was however meant to be very reliable and well made as you said. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Churchill must have been smoking the wrong cigars that day. Given that Canada was enthusiastic about the .280 British (which dimensions are actually 7x43mm), &amp;quot;Mother England&amp;quot; could very well have turned it into the &amp;quot;British Commonwealth standard&amp;quot; instead and let the increased terminal effectiveness/range (relative to 5.56mm NATO, and not dependent on fragmentation as is the case for that cartridge's military versions) and increased controllability/portability (over 7.62mm NATO) speak for themselves in actual engagements and military campaigns (they could have started with the Northern Ireland campaign). It's a damn shame that this round has not been given a second chance (otherwise we might be using EM-3s, 4s or 5s by now). [http://7x46mmuiac.com/7x46mm_Cartridge.html A few are even recommending] we go to 7x46mm for a universal rifle/carbine cartridge. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:33, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Generally everyone (except the US thought) that .280 British was the way to go for NATO, I think eventually it will be seen that an intermediate cartridge is required but im sceptical it will be .280 [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:11, 24 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:.280 is just imperial measurements talk for 7mm-diameter rounds. Even the commission that designed the 6.8mm SPC admitted that 7mm had the best terminal performance (in the range between 6.5mm and 7mm). It may be that such lethality could trump accuracy in applications like suppressive fire (after all, you duck from suppressive fire because you're afraid you'll be lethally hit). I'm also interested in seeing just how much more performance the proposed 7x46mm cartridge would have over the 6.8mm SPC--sometimes 3 millimeters of case length can make a real difference, as is the case between the .40 S&amp;amp;W round and the 10mm Auto round. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 21:27, 24 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L96A1 still in use? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking on the Accuracy International site and went on the [http://www.accuracyinternational.com/gallery.php gallery] where there are several image supposedly from Herrick 13 which was 2010-201 that shows soldiers still using the L96A1. I'm fairly sure this time frame is correct as I see 16AA insignia MTP kit with the newest Osprey plate carrier. This would suggest that it was still being used within the last couple of years, does anyone know if it is still knocking around today? I would assume it probably is, as when the L115s came in and were issued to the Infantry sniper platoons I guess the L96A1s and L118A1s filtered down and were snapped up by others. There was a period where it was intended that the .308 rifles were going to be issued within Infantry sections as a sort of DMR before the L129A1 was procured. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:08, 30 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw them being used on the first series of our war and that was around 2008 and it was being used as the l129a1 is and l115's were being used as designated sniper weapon. But by now I had assumed they are gone however they are l96a1's being used, I would have assumed tehy would have had access to l129a1's. It does raise the question as to whether l96a1  should be moved to in service? &lt;br /&gt;
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:Except in 2008 the UOR that lead to the L129A1 hadn't even been written yet. The L129 was selected in 2009 and not issued until mid-late 2010. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 16:46, 3 February 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I didnt say that. I said I saw l96's being used in 2008 in the same role that l129a1's are now and I was surprised as now l129's are issued so could be used in place of the l96's in the photos on the AI website (taken on Herrick 13). [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]])&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You can pretty much boil it all down to blaming America. They said the .280 was underpowered, whilst Britain, Canada and Belgium said the 7.62x51mm would be uncontrollable in full auto (based on the fact that the US eventually switched to the even smaller 5.56x45mm it is pretty obvious who was right). When Winston Churchill returned to power he felt that NATO standardisation on a round, even if it was the wrong round, was vital, so we went for the 7.62x51mm. It was a real shame, as the EM-2 was a great gun. I have actually gotten a look at one of the EM-2s that was converted to 7.62x51mm, and the quality on it was excellent. It isn't that obvious in pictures, but there is even a wood veneer over the top of the rear of the receiver for your cheek. I can imagine it was much more expensive to make than the FAL though (this may have had something to do with it) as the receiver was totally milled from a single piece of steel and had a complicated internal shape (although the actual stripping and assembly was very simple). With the intermediate round, bullpup layout and integrated optical sight it was very much ahead of its time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew about Churchill's feelings on standardisation and if im honest I think the benefit of commonality outweighed poor choice of round, from an infantry soldiers IW stand point (ive found its  a lot more fun to hump 5.56 than 7.62 and I hardly get to touch 7.62 with cadets). I've heard that it was very well made and I was lead to believe that they would have cost around 3x as much as the SLR mostly due to the fact so much milling was required, it was however meant to be very reliable and well made as you said. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Churchill must have been smoking the wrong cigars that day. Given that Canada was enthusiastic about the .280 British (which dimensions are actually 7x43mm), &amp;quot;Mother England&amp;quot; could very well have turned it into the &amp;quot;British Commonwealth standard&amp;quot; instead and let the increased terminal effectiveness/range (relative to 5.56mm NATO, and not dependent on fragmentation as is the case for that cartridge's military versions) and increased controllability/portability (over 7.62mm NATO) speak for themselves in actual engagements and military campaigns (they could have started with the Northern Ireland campaign). It's a damn shame that this round has not been given a second chance (otherwise we might be using EM-3s, 4s or 5s by now). [http://7x46mmuiac.com/7x46mm_Cartridge.html A few are even recommending] we go to 7x46mm for a universal rifle/carbine cartridge. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:33, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Generally everyone (except the US thought) that .280 British was the way to go for NATO, I think eventually it will be seen that an intermediate cartridge is required but im sceptical it will be .280 [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:11, 24 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:.280 is just imperial measurements talk for 7mm-diameter rounds. Even the commission that designed the 6.8mm SPC admitted that 7mm had the best terminal performance (in the range between 6.5mm and 7mm). It may be that such lethality could trump accuracy in applications like suppressive fire (after all, you duck from suppressive fire because you're afraid you'll be lethally hit). I'm also interested in seeing just how much more performance the proposed 7x46mm cartridge would have over the 6.8mm SPC--sometimes 3 millimeters of case length can make a real difference, as is the case between the .40 S&amp;amp;W round and the 10mm Auto round. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 21:27, 24 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking on the Accuracy International site and went on the [http://www.accuracyinternational.com/gallery.php gallery] where there are several image supposedly from Herrick 13 which was 2010-201 that shows soldiers still using the L96A1. I'm fairly sure this time frame is correct as I see 16AA insignia MTP kit with the newest Osprey plate carrier. This would suggest that it was still being used within the last couple of years, does anyone know if it is still knocking around today? I would assume it probably is, as when the L115s came in and were issued to the Infantry sniper platoons I guess the L96A1s and L118A1s filtered down and were snapped up by others. There was a period where it was intended that the .308 rifles were going to be issued within Infantry sections as a sort of DMR before the L129A1 was procured. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:08, 30 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw them being used on the first series of our war and that was around 2008 and it was being used as the l129a1 is and l115's were being used as designated sniper weapon. But by now I had assumed they are gone however they are l96a1's being used, I would have assumed tehy would have had access to l129a1's. It does raise the question as to whether l96a1  should be moved to in service? &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You can pretty much boil it all down to blaming America. They said the .280 was underpowered, whilst Britain, Canada and Belgium said the 7.62x51mm would be uncontrollable in full auto (based on the fact that the US eventually switched to the even smaller 5.56x45mm it is pretty obvious who was right). When Winston Churchill returned to power he felt that NATO standardisation on a round, even if it was the wrong round, was vital, so we went for the 7.62x51mm. It was a real shame, as the EM-2 was a great gun. I have actually gotten a look at one of the EM-2s that was converted to 7.62x51mm, and the quality on it was excellent. It isn't that obvious in pictures, but there is even a wood veneer over the top of the rear of the receiver for your cheek. I can imagine it was much more expensive to make than the FAL though (this may have had something to do with it) as the receiver was totally milled from a single piece of steel and had a complicated internal shape (although the actual stripping and assembly was very simple). With the intermediate round, bullpup layout and integrated optical sight it was very much ahead of its time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew about Churchill's feelings on standardisation and if im honest I think the benefit of commonality outweighed poor choice of round, from an infantry soldiers IW stand point (ive found its  a lot more fun to hump 5.56 than 7.62 and I hardly get to touch 7.62 with cadets). I've heard that it was very well made and I was lead to believe that they would have cost around 3x as much as the SLR mostly due to the fact so much milling was required, it was however meant to be very reliable and well made as you said. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Churchill must have been smoking the wrong cigars that day. Given that Canada was enthusiastic about the .280 British (which dimensions are actually 7x43mm), &amp;quot;Mother England&amp;quot; could very well have turned it into the &amp;quot;British Commonwealth standard&amp;quot; instead and let the increased terminal effectiveness/range (relative to 5.56mm NATO, and not dependent on fragmentation as is the case for that cartridge's military versions) and increased controllability/portability (over 7.62mm NATO) speak for themselves in actual engagements and military campaigns (they could have started with the Northern Ireland campaign). It's a damn shame that this round has not been given a second chance (otherwise we might be using EM-3s, 4s or 5s by now). [http://7x46mmuiac.com/7x46mm_Cartridge.html A few are even recommending] we go to 7x46mm for a universal rifle/carbine cartridge. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:33, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Generally everyone (except the US thought) that .280 British was the way to go for NATO, I think eventually it will be seen that an intermediate cartridge is required but im sceptical it will be .280 [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:11, 24 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Screen Used MP5 variants==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EODMP5A3rubberprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with mounted [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm as used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]'s character Jericho Cane in the film ''[[End of Days]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00634.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm. This non-firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun is constructed of rubber and was used during parts of the barge sequence where the live firing gun was unecessary. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00634&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00646.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch SP89 - 9x19mm. This non-firing plastic prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The replica SP89 was used as a stand in for the virtually identical live firing MP5K used earlier in the sequence and was used onscreen when Winter throws the gun away. The tip was slightly damaged during the throw and is in otherwise good condition. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00646&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other Variants of the MP5==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;K 94.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 94 carbine with front pistol grip &amp;amp; barrel jacket]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KA4 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K_MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&amp;amp;K MP5 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:HKMP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Surefire Weaponlight and &amp;quot;SD&amp;quot;-style stock]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DayMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daisy Airsoft Model 14 Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K - 9x19mm. One of the first ASG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK_MP5SD.png|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with a integrated suppressor - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5K-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW fitted with a [[UMP]]-style stock - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD3-with2-round-burst.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with additional 2-round burst fire mode.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Note that this weapon '''is not''' an MP5SD6, the SD6 '''must''' feature the 3-round burst option. This trigger group is officially called &amp;quot;2-round burst&amp;quot; by H&amp;amp;K.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KACMP5RSRAIL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5F with Knight's Armament Company rail system - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JG MP5 RAS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''Airsoft''' MP5-RAS by Jing Gong - 6mm BB]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KModified.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group and forward handguard removed - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K-MP5Ksuitcase.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K in trademark Heckler &amp;amp; Koch suitcase - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SerenityMP5K.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K used in ''[[Serenity]]'' - version with SEF Plastic Trigger Pack and West German 'Waffle pattern' stick magazine - 9x19mm.  The LED sight, unfortunately, could not be found to mount on the weapon for the photograph.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SFA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SFA3 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD1 with 15-round magazine - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KAC.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A5 with PDW stock, Bushnell Holosight, RIS foregrip, and KAC railed forend - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 B&amp;amp;T visor stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Brugger &amp;amp; Thomet visor helmet stock, M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flash hider, and railed handguard - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 UMP stock.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5A3 with UMP stock, RIS foregrip, KAC railed forend, M68 Aimpoint red dot sight, and weaponlight - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Mp5 reverse stretch.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5K &amp;quot;Reverse Stretch&amp;quot; - 9x19mm. This is a custom weapon created by combining an MP5K front end with a full-size MP5 receiver This results in an MP5K capable of accepting a standard MP5 stock, in this case an MP5F retractable stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early MP5 gone==&lt;br /&gt;
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As you can tell, I deleted the section on early MP5s, for two reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
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(1.) It's unlikely early MP5s appear in movies or TV, simply because those models are quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany. If you go to HKPRO's MP5 page, you can see what the earliest MP5s looked like.&lt;br /&gt;
(2.) The pictures were not early MP5s (one was an MP5A2 taken by MPM, which has since been moved to the MP5A2 section, the other was an A3 with a straight mag and older convex-style buttplate).&lt;br /&gt;
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If anyone wants to restore it, please just copy and paste the code from an earlier revision; I made some other revisions that are important to keep. Don't undo all of my recent edits. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I've never seen a movie with the original HK54s, so I agree. If someone did want to put it on though, they have it on World Guns. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
:: I restored it, for three reasons: 1. I strongly disagree with the conclusion that a weapon has to be common to deserve inclusion. If that was a valid criterion a considerable number of the gun articles/sections on this site never would've been created. 2. The MP-54 is in [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]], so what if it's a video game, this site covers those too. 3. People editing ''that'' article take one look at &amp;quot;MP-54&amp;quot; and assume it's a typo, because even if they do their research by looking at ''this'' article, they find no such weapon and so conclude that it doesn't exist. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I checked your page for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. That doesn't look to me like an MP-54; it looks more like a regular MP5A3 with an open front sight. Such sights do exist as after-market accessories for the MP5. However, seeing as it's a game, it could also just be an artistic decision made by the gun modeler. But it's definitely not supposed to be an MP-54; notice it has the wrong rear sight and hand guards for the -54. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The page for [[Biggles: Adventures in Time]] (1986) mentions &amp;quot;old spec MP5's with staight magazines&amp;quot;; whether they're actual vintage early MP5s, I know not. British television and film productions might well use these guns. I worry about the deletion of the early section; it's going to clumsy to put it back when someone spots an early MP5, and someone ''will'' spot an early MP5 at some point. One will appear in the background of ''[[The Professionals]]'' or ''[[Who Dares Wins]]''; and although it may be true that they are &amp;quot;quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany&amp;quot;, this database doesn't exclude German television programmes. I understand that German television has historically not been too keen on guns, but there must have been German cop dramas and television films and indeed theatrical films in the 1970s. -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Why not put the 'fake' MP5s on the HK94 section?==&lt;br /&gt;
It technically runs counter to common practice on IMFDB by putting the gun in the section of the weapon it's 'impersonating' rather than the real section.  Case in point.  We put fake M16A2s (that are A1s with A2 handguards) in the M16A1 section ... NOT the M16A2 section, even though that is the gun it is impersonating.  Why don't we put the appearances of the C&amp;amp;C HK94s in the HK94 section?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmmm, I didn't notice that this wasn't being done. But yes, I agree, all C&amp;amp;C HK94s impersonating MP5s should go in the HK94 section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Pay no attention to what I just edited out, I was being stupid.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K's with the foregrips removed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the point of MP5K's with the fore grips removed appearing in movies? you don't have a grip, and could burn you hand if you have been shooting&lt;br /&gt;
:What? Speak english for me please.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. On topic, they are used as if they are machine pistols. Look at the Third Matrix movie page on this site. They are used in that movie. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ on the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Used as if they are machine pistols&amp;quot;? That would still apply even if the MP5Ks had foregrips but were being dual-wielded like in those scenes. In fact, MP5Ks (as opposed to MP5K-PDWs) ''are'' machine pistols, just relatively bulky ones (compared to models like the Glock 18) due to their lack of a buttstock (like the M93 Raffica). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:31, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SP-10 / MP-10 is also the PXP-10 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Coharie Arms is the current producer of the SP-10 / MP-10 and its model is now designated as the PXP-10 (although the MP-10 designation is still in effect for fully automatic builds).  Their are some slight changes since the SP-10 production.  Specifically, the texturing was altered and mounting screws were added on the lower foregrip.  Additionally, the tint of the plastic may have changed as well.  Coharie has recently announced that the tooling is up for sale.&lt;br /&gt;
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== U.S. Police MP5 stocks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the most common stock type used by U.S. Police departments; the A2 type or the A3 type?&lt;br /&gt;
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That is almost impossible to tell. I've seen both in my local, county and State police SWAT teams so both are used in all police department. The better question would be are there any US police department that uses the MP5K? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:According to the picture about half way down the page, the Northeast Metro Law Enforcement Council Special Operations Unit in Massachusetts does. [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=70:hk-in-action-2-a-collection-of-actual-working-teams&amp;amp;catid=18:hk-in-action-series&amp;amp;Itemid=5] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP5F Redundancy?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we really need a section for the MP5F? It seems highly unlikely that this model would be used in films or television, and visually distinguishing it from an MP5A3 or MP5A5 would be practically impossible. The only external indicator would be the stock, and that can be interchanged with other MP5 variants. The section claims that this model is internally modified to handle high-pressure ammo, which would be irrelevant for a blank-adapted weapon seen on-screen. If you ask me, having a section for the MP5F would be like having a section for the US military's M9 Beretta on the Beretta 92 page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No contest, nuke it. From what I understand unless the gun image came directly from a movie armorer, if the weapon has not appeared in anything than it has no right to be on IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just to add, there are actually some other exterior differences other than the stock. If by some miracle you can see the receiver markings on the spine in a movie, they will simply read HK MP5 rather than HK MP5-N. More realistically, you can also tell the difference by the front sling loop. On the original MP5s there is only a sling eye on the left hand side, mounted as the end of a pin. On the MP5F however, there is a sling loop on either side of the barrel, lower than the single loop on the standard MP5s. The original sling loop pin is replaced with a regular pin, and a &amp;quot;saddle&amp;quot; type mount for the sling loops is mounted under the barrel, placing the sling loops level with the centre of the barrel rather than above it as in the original MP5s.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:32, 19 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP5/10==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could the MP5/10 be fitted with an MP5A3-style telescoping stock? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I believe so, I remember seeing MP5/10s with collapsible stocks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Only the really cool ones :)  plus if you google it, the very first picture of one has a telescoping stock. God bless Jeff Cooper and his 10mm. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5K without sights ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In a couple of shows (only one I can think of right now is [[Ultimate Force]]) a version of the MP5K can be seen that appears to have no sights aside from a vestigial post at the front, and possibly a simple notch at the back. Anyone know if this was an actual version that was made a or a modification? As a side note, this version was actually used in real life by the British SAS, and can be seen in several &amp;quot;publicity&amp;quot; (for lack of a better term) photos taken during a training exercise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, does anyone know if the single fire MP5 versions (Not chopped HK94s, but the things with paddle magazine releases and 3-lug muzzles, and with regular SEF or Navy trigger groups just missing the FA position) were ever available to the public as I think I have spotted a couple in something.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:37, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bloody typical, immediately after I ask the question I find out that it an MP5KA1 (or MP5KA5 with 3 round burst added), and has low profile fixed pistol type sight for use when worn under clothing to prevent snagging. Does this deserve its own entry on the main page, as the visual differances between the K and KA1 are more than the difference between a MP5A2 and MP5A4.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:03, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA5.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA5 fitted with the bulky old aiming point projector.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, the MP5KA1 should get its own section, although I'm not sure it's all that common (''[[Ultimate Force]]'' is so far the only media appearance of this variant that I've seen).&lt;br /&gt;
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:And to answer your other question: In the U.S., the MP5SF (the semi-only versions) would not be legal for public ownership. The MP5SF is just a standard mil-spec/LE MP5 that has had its lower receiver swapped out for the SF trigger group; any of the burst/auto-fire lowers can be installed quickly, which means that legally, it is still a machine gun. And if it has a short barrel with the attachment lugs, it would also be an SBR (Short-Barreled Rifle). The reason that the HK94 and other MP5 semi-auto clones don't have the paddle mag releases is because the semi-auto lower receiver is permanently attached to the upper so that a select-fire lower can never be installed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:04, 19 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5KN ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think, the gun labeled as &amp;quot;MP5KN&amp;quot; in the MP5K section is just an MP5K fitted with a Navy trigger pack. The real KN has an extended barrel, like the PDW. Anyone agree with this? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:53, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, have been meaning to change it for a while but keep forgetting about it. Below is an actual MP5KN (well not exactly as the only ones in existence were issued to the US Navy, but this one is a Navy lower MP5K that someone has fitted with a rare genuine MP5KN barrel so is as close as you will ever get).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:47, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:MP5K-N.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KN - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Rather curious why Heckler &amp;amp; Koch haven't made MP5K with threaded barrel in the first place... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:25, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Suitcase gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the pictures of the MP5's at the top of this page, and the one of the MP5K in the specially-made suitcase got me wondering-wouldn't that be very hard to aim properly? No iron sights, firing from the shin...and who uses it anyway? CIA, MI6, FSD (I think that's the Russian security service). And say you wanted to buy one, where would you buy it? I doubt from a normal H&amp;amp;K weapons shop. And how much would it even cost, assuming it hasn't been banned in loads of places? Why has this even been made? I mean, I am very interested in guns-that-don't-look-like-guns. I just wonder, have there been suitcase guns before this? If so, did anyone ever actually use them, and can legally talk about it? Can anyone else tell me about any guns out there that are disguised as something else? Always interested...Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Supposedly HK offered it to private security firms for use by bodyguards; given you can't reload it without opening the case anyway, I assume it's only designed for use against someone who jumps your VIP at extremely close range where just pointing the case and shooting is all you're going to need. No idea if anyone ever seriously used one, mind. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:50, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was used by the British SAS for close protection (they had it, don't know if they actually used it seriously though). The taught way to aim it was to brace the end of the case (the opposite end to the barrel obviously) horizontally across your chest. You can see pics of it being used [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=91:mp5k-series&amp;amp;catid=9:the-submachine-guns&amp;amp;Itemid=5 here], along with pictures of the more practical (IMHO) MP5K bag, which allows you to access the selector, as well as being more naturally &amp;quot;pointable&amp;quot;. These did get around a bit, [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/e160ef77.jpg 22 MP5Ks in the briefcase] were found by US soldiers as part of an arms cache in Baghdad in 2003. The same arms cache also had a [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/09028da8.jpg gold plated MP5SD6]. If you google it you can find a few places selling them, with the prices being up to $4,000 for the case not including the gun, with about $2,500 apparently being about the average they go for these days.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:43, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ah, O.K. Thanks. I once heard something about camera guns, though. Anyone know anything about them? Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Guns with cameras or guns in cameras? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:14, 7 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5 side folding stock? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do MP5s with the side folding UMP style stock go, MP5A3 section?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 UMP stock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|MP5 with side folding UMP stock, RIS forend, Aimpoint red dot sight, flashlight and vertical grip - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Depends on the trigger group. This one has the SEF, which tells that used to be either an A2 or A3. However, I'm not sure that it would into either category with the UMP stock. I would probably place it in the MP5A3 due to it being more similar to the extending stock than the solid.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:14, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5F? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly the MP5F is such a minor variant of the MP5A5 that I don't think it deserves its own section, and secondly that isn't a picture of an MP5F. The only external differences (the major differences are internal to allow it to fire particularly powerful ammunition) are the double sided front sling loop and the redesigned stock, neither of which are present on this gun. Or am I missing something and the MP5F refers to a different model with the PDW stock?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:48, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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While I cant really tell the difference between the MP5F and MP5A3 here is a [http://www.tscmachine.com/images/HK-MP5Flarge2.jpg picture] of it. [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 18:54, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK SMG series  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The SMG series weapons are totally different to the MP5 series, the only thing they have in commen is that the SMG series '''can''' use regular MP5 mags --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 12:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because if you read about the development of the H&amp;amp;K SMG 1 &amp;amp; 2 they are a development from the HK54A1 and that is an atempt to create a product improved MP5. In essence the SMG 1 is an evolutionary firearm between the MP5 series and the UMP series of firearms. We put it in with the MP5 for convenience sake.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Yes I have read about it... still different technology at all --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 13:35, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Couple Questions about full-auto conversion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:A. Yes, the safety should still work after a FA conversion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both of those statements are based around a theoretical FA conversion. Such conversions are restricted to someone with a SOT license.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 18:33, 25 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== .45 ACP ==&lt;br /&gt;
Why wasn't a version of the MP5 firing this round ever made? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:44, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not enough demand for mass production. Bill Flemming made the first conversions and the now Defunct Special weapons company made both HK94 and SP89 clones in .45ACP. Still they are both rare as hens teeth.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a .45 MP5. It's called the UMP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:53, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The UMP is not roller locked and I think it uses a different trigger pack design( or at least a modified) + it has a completely different body design and material therefore the UMP is a totally different concept even when it evolved from the PIP (same for the HK SMG series). -[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 18:19, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder why the 10mm MP5 didn't become more popular because of the 10mm's power over other pistol calibers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The FBI hostage rescue team used it but they felt that the recoil was to great for it to be used even in controlled bursts. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 14:09, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A cartridge's technical advantages aren't enough in and of themselves to win over potential major supporters like national LEO agencies. Still, if you pick over the various MP5/10 shooting range videos on youtube (especially where the 2-round-burst setting is used), you'll see that the recoil of the MP5/10 doesn't appear to be anything significant. A terminal ballistics specialist by the name of Dr. Gary Roberts even called it [http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1376584&amp;amp;postcount=109 &amp;quot;probably the most interesting and effective SMG ever made.&amp;quot;]--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:51, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea I was some what mistaken there, the 'Firearms Training Unit (FTU) experts at Quantico, Virginia, determined that the 10mm was the best-performing law-enforcement cartridge of all autoloader rounds then available on the market' how ever the recoil was deemed by the 'that its recoil was excessive in terms of training for average agent/police officer competency of use and qualification' and once the 40 s&amp;amp;w hit the market it was adopted in its place [http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html sorry I should have checked my facts before posting (I was half way right). [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:29, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:22, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Enfield EM-2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You can pretty much boil it all down to blaming America. They said the .280 was underpowered, whilst Britain, Canada and Belgium said the 7.62x51mm would be uncontrollable in full auto (based on the fact that the US eventually switched to the even smaller 5.56x45mm it is pretty obvious who was right). When Winston Churchill returned to power he felt that NATO standardisation on a round, even if it was the wrong round, was vital, so we went for the 7.62x51mm. It was a real shame, as the EM-2 was a great gun. I have actually gotten a look at one of the EM-2s that was converted to 7.62x51mm, and the quality on it was excellent. It isn't that obvious in pictures, but there is even a wood veneer over the top of the rear of the receiver for your cheek. I can imagine it was much more expensive to make than the FAL though (this may have had something to do with it) as the receiver was totally milled from a single piece of steel and had a complicated internal shape (although the actual stripping and assembly was very simple). With the intermediate round, bullpup layout and integrated optical sight it was very much ahead of its time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 19:18, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew about Churchill's feelings on standardisation and if im honest I think the benefit of commonality outweighed poor choice of round, from an infantry soldiers IW stand point (ive found its  a lot more fun to hump 5.56 than 7.62 and I hardly get to touch 7.62 with cadets). I've heard that it was very well made and I was lead to believe that they would have cost around 3x as much as the SLR mostly due to the fact so much milling was required, it was however meant to be very reliable and well made as you said. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 19:27, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Im 17 Years old from the UK looking to head off to University to study war studies and then on to the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst afterwards, I regularly shoot with my local rifle club and enjoy history (the gorier the better) and firearms as well as taking part with the Army Cadet Force.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_firearms_used_by_British_Armed_Forces&amp;diff=652745</id>
		<title>Talk:List of firearms used by British Armed Forces</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* Enfield EM-2 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:22, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Enfield EM-2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't say it was actually adopted though. All that happened was that the government declared that it was going to be the next weapon and that it would be designated as the No.9 Mk.1. However before mass production even began, let alone it actually being issued, the whole NATO standardisation fracas came about and a change of government saw it being shelved in favour of the FN FAL (this was also originally in .280 British, but it was more easily converted to 7.62x51mm). Basically it was given a designation and that is it. Besides, I don't think a rifle that less than a 100 of which were built can be called anything other than experimental.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 18:03, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Point taken, the numbers thing killed my idea for me. It was all a bit of a waste really especially considering that after deciding 7.62 wasn't ideal for an individual weapon and the problems some have had with 5.56, now .280 (or a calibre similar) seems like it would have been a much better choice from the start. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 18:50, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Enfield SA80</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1994 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. &lt;br /&gt;
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In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance’s Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions &amp;amp; Ordnance).&lt;br /&gt;
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Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Specifications==&lt;br /&gt;
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''(1985-1994)''&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Type:''' Assault Rifle&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Capacity:''' 20, 30-round {{STANAG}}&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Fire Modes:''' Semi/Auto (safety is separate from fire selector)&lt;br /&gt;
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=L85=&lt;br /&gt;
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==L85A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The original variant of the SA80 series issued to the British forces. These were manufactured by Royal Ordnance (Formerly known as Enfield) from 1985 until 1994 after the notorious faults of the weapon in battlefield conditions.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Sa80-l85a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L85A1 left side.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[28 Days Later]]'' ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes, with and without bayonet || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Aliens]]'' ||  ||  || Seen on gun rack on ''Sulaco'' in extended edition || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Patriot Games]]'' ||  || British Army Guards || With covered SUSAT scopes and bayonets || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Patriot Games]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Police Story 3: Supercop ]]'' || || Royal Hong Kong police officer || || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[The Devil's Own]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers  || With SUSAT scopes|| 1997&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Dog Soldiers]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers || With blank-firing adaptors and SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Underworld]]'' ||  ||  || With SUSAT scope, seen on gun rack || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Resident Evil: Extinction]]'' || [[Linden Ashby]] || Chase || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Doomsday]]'' ||  || British Army Guards || Appear to be old airsoft toys (due to mini Union Flag near butt plate) || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Punisher: War Zone]]'' || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Kick-Ass]]'' || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|''[[Dempsey and Makepeace]]'' || || [[Mark Ryan]] ||&amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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|  || British soldiers || &amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' || [[Robson Green]] || Dave Tucker|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Midsomer Murders]]'' || || UK Territorial Army soldiers || &amp;quot;Days of Misrule&amp;quot; || 1997 - Present&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Firefly]]'' || ??? || Alliance soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Firefly]]'' || ??? || Browncoats ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || || British MOD police || w/SUSAT scopes || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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|  || SAS troopers || w/SUSAT scopes, only used for ceremonial occasions &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Red Cap]]'' || [[Tamzin Outhwaite]], others || British Army || W/SUSATs or Iron Sights || 2003 - 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Zero Hour]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || || 2004-2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' || ??? || Honor guards || w/white-painted handguard and lower receiver || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]''|| ??? || Caprica Resistance fighters || w/ SUSAT scopes, &amp;quot;Resistance&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Farm&amp;quot;  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Situation Critical]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Caprica]]'' || ??? ||Caprican police officer || ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| rowspan=&amp;quot;5&amp;quot;|''[[Occupation]]'' || [[Stephen Graham]] || Danny ||rowspan=&amp;quot;5&amp;quot;| w/SUSUAT scope || rowspan=&amp;quot;5&amp;quot;|2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  [[James Nesbitt]] || Mike Swift &lt;br /&gt;
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|  [[Adam Beresford]] || Richard Swift&lt;br /&gt;
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|  [[Warren Brown]] || Lee Hibbs&lt;br /&gt;
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|   ||  British Soldiers&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]]'' ||  ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Ghost Recon]]'' || SA80 ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' ||  || w/ SUSAT scope || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Black]]'' || || || Stock footage || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Combat Arms]]'' ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]]'' ||  ||  || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]]'' || IL86 || w/optional [[M203 grenade launcher]] and suppressor || Erroneously shown with controls inverted onto the lefthand side || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]]''||L85||||||2012 &lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]]'' ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[War Inc. Battlezone]]'' ||  ||  || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ZombiU]]'' ||SA80A2  ||  || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Akira]]'' || Neo Tokyo Police troops || w/SUSAT scopes || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Spriggan]]'' || British (?) troops || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' || Eru || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==L85A2==&lt;br /&gt;
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The L85A2 is a revamped version of the L85A1 with improved components, most notably the external 'Comma' shaped combined charging handle/brass deflector and stronger internal parts. The upgrading of L85A1 rifles to the L85A2 standard was carried out by Heckler &amp;amp; Koch (which, at the time, belonged to BAE) between 2002 and 2006; since then further improvements have been made in response to operational requirements, including new RIS/RAS equipped foreguards and the adoption of the ACOG sight by some units in Afghanistan. The new foreguards and the adoption of the Elcan Spectre as the official replacement of the SUSAT will be applied to all British Army units over the next three to four years.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|right|401px|L85A2 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2 upgraded.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 with magazine removed, railed forend, ACOG scope, Grippod foregrip, and Surefire FHSA80SA flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2AG36.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 5.56x45mm with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Children of Men]]'' ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Flood]]'' ||  || British soldiers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Shaun Dooley]] || Corporal Gant || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Leo Gregory]] || L/Cpl Quealy || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Matthew McNulty]] || Pte Shane Gulliver || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Gerard Kearns]] || Pte Mark &amp;quot;Treacle&amp;quot; Tate || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Sherlock]]''  || ??? || British Army soldier || w/SUSAT scope, S01E01 - &amp;quot;A Study in Pink&amp;quot; || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]]'' || ??? || British Army paratroopers || w/and w/out Surefire weaponlights || 2005 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]''||British soldiers||With futuristic furniture, cybernetic sights and underbarrel M203||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' ||  ||  || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Söldner: Secret Wars]]'' ||  |||| ||  2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' ||  || With AG36 grenade launcher || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With grippod foregrip and optional L123A2 grenade launcher, ACOG or SUSAT scopes ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]]'' ||  || w/[[M203 grenade launcher]] || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon 2]]'' || SA-80A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Counter-Strike Online]]'' ||  ||  || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Alliance of Valiant Arms]]'' ||  || With EOTech red dot sight or ACOG scope ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]]'' ||  || w/various optional accessories || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[SOCOM: Confrontation]]'' || IW-80 A2 || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]]'' || Sa-80 A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Contra 4]]'' ||  || ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ArmA II]]'' || L85A2  || w/ RIS, SUSAT, EOTech sights; also can be fitted with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 3]]'' || L85A2 || w/ various accessories || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]'' ||  || With black furniture and optional EOTech red dot sight or M145 MGO scope ||  || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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=L22=&lt;br /&gt;
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==L22 Prototype==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A1 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC, RAC and some REME Crew as a personal defence weapon. Often wrongly refered to as the L22A1, this gun was never given an L designation, known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Killing Floor]]'' || Bullpup || w/EOTech red dot sight and 40-round magazine || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==L22A1==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A2 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC Crew as a personal defense weapon. Often wrongly labelled the L22A2. The L22A1 has the same internal modification as the L85A2 and L86A2, but as the modification were done before the L22 was officially introduced it is designated the L22A1. New upgrades are now available such as the 20rnd magazine and picatinny rail systems.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80A2-l22a2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L22A1 w/20-round magazine and SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]]'' || L22A2 ||  ||w/ various attachments  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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=L86=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L86A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The L86A1 Light Support Weapon is the sustained fire variant of the SA80 series. Many have been replaced by the [[FN Minimi]] in this role or converted into L22 Carbines for AFV/Chopper crew members as a personal defense weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[A Sound of Thunder]]'' ||  || Apartment Resident || Lacks either iron sights or optics  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/various optics, w/ and w/O BFAs || 1991-1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Red Cap]]'' ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/SUSAT optic || 2003-2004&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Fallout 2]]'' || Light Support Weapon  || converted to a sniper rifle || features tan plastics, lengthened barrel || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' ||  || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'' || || w/ RIS foregrip, suppressor, red dot sight, EOtech holographic sight, SUSAT, thermal sight and/or extended magazine|| || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]''||L86 LSW||||||2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon Online]]'' ||   ||  ||  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 3]]'' || || ||Available in Close Quarter expansion || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Black Lagoon]]'' ||  || Seen on wall, with SUSAT scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR Clear=All&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L86A2==&lt;br /&gt;
A revamped L86A1 LSW. The L86A2 is in limited usage along the FN Minimi, only for DMR purposes as it has superior accuracy/range. The L86A2 is also used by the ACF but only 3-Star+ Trained Cadets are allowed to use this weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
As of 2009/10, futher modifications have been made to L86A2s used in Afghanistan. These have the current foreguards replaced with the DD-quad RAS foreguard (with the ability to add various extras on all surfaces, such as foregrips or flashlights). The outrigger under the barrel can been removed (but bipod retained) or replaced with a RiS/RAS rail system. SUSATs retained, with the intention of replacing them with Elcan Spectre optics. These modifications have only been made to a select few units L86A2 DMRs. Those units not in, or immediately going to Afghanistan have yet to recieve the upgrades.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Image-SA80-L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 with SUSAT - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With optional SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ArmA II]]'' || || With Trijicon ACOG || Added in ''Operation Arrowhead: British Armed Forces'' || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
=SA80 Prototypes=&lt;br /&gt;
Various prototypes made by Enfield for the British Government, starting in 1969. Various models, earliest using NATO 7.62. However, both of those listed below used the experimental British 4.85mm round. When NATO adopted the US 5.56 round, the XL70 series was redesigned to fire 5.56 and renamed under the SA80 programme - '''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80''''s. This project also included an LSW (although that version had a changeable barrel). Originally, the weapon had only a SUSAT - which was built in to the rifle, and non-removable - however, there was a folding foresight (visible).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XL64E5==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title '''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]]'' ||[[Lewis Collins]]||Bodie|| &amp;quot;Wild Justice&amp;quot; (S04E02) ||1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]]'' ||[[Martin Shaw]]||Doyle|| &amp;quot;Wild Justice&amp;quot; (S04E02) ||1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]''||Enfield||||w/ various customization options||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Fallout Tactics]]''||&amp;quot;XL70E3 Enfield&amp;quot;||||fires 5.56mm rounds||2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' ||  || w/SUSAT scope || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==XL65E4 LSW==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:XL65E4 LSW.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL65E4 LSW - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Fallout 2]]''||&amp;quot;XL70E3&amp;quot;||Bipod removed||fires 5mm rounds||1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
=See Also=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Royal Small Arms Factory]] - A list of weapons produced by RSAF Enfield&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Machine Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Bullpup]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Blackguineapig</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Enfield SA80</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1994 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance’s Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions &amp;amp; Ordnance).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Specifications==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''(1985-1994)''&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Type:''' Assault Rifle&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Capacity:''' 20, 30-round {{STANAG}}&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Fire Modes:''' Semi/Auto (safety is separate from fire selector)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=L85=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L85A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The original variant of the SA80 series issued to the British forces. These were manufactured by Royal Ordnance (Formerly known as Enfield) from 1985 until 1994 after the notorious faults of the weapon in battlefield conditions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L85A1 left side.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[28 Days Later]]'' ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes, with and without bayonet || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Aliens]]'' ||  ||  || Seen on gun rack on ''Sulaco'' in extended edition || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Patriot Games]]'' ||  || British Army Guards || With covered SUSAT scopes and bayonets || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Patriot Games]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Police Story 3: Supercop ]]'' || || Royal Hong Kong police officer || || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[The Devil's Own]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers  || With SUSAT scopes|| 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Dog Soldiers]]'' ||  || British Army soldiers || With blank-firing adaptors and SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Underworld]]'' ||  ||  || With SUSAT scope, seen on gun rack || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Resident Evil: Extinction]]'' || [[Linden Ashby]] || Chase || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Doomsday]]'' ||  || British Army Guards || Appear to be old airsoft toys (due to mini Union Flag near butt plate) || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Punisher: War Zone]]'' || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Kick-Ass]]'' || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|''[[Dempsey and Makepeace]]'' || || [[Mark Ryan]] ||&amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || British soldiers || &amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' || [[Robson Green]] || Dave Tucker|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Midsomer Murders]]'' || || UK Territorial Army soldiers || &amp;quot;Days of Misrule&amp;quot; || 1997 - Present&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Firefly]]'' || ??? || Alliance soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Firefly]]'' || ??? || Browncoats ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || || British MOD police || w/SUSAT scopes || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || SAS troopers || w/SUSAT scopes, only used for ceremonial occasions &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Red Cap]]'' || [[Tamzin Outhwaite]], others || British Army || W/SUSATs or Iron Sights || 2003 - 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Zero Hour]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || || 2004-2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]'' || ??? || Honor guards || w/white-painted handguard and lower receiver || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlestar Galactica]]''|| ??? || Caprica Resistance fighters || w/ SUSAT scopes, &amp;quot;Resistance&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Farm&amp;quot;  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Situation Critical]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Caprica]]'' || ??? ||Caprican police officer || ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;4&amp;quot;|''[[Occupation]]'' || [[Stephen Graham]] || Danny ||rowspan=&amp;quot;4&amp;quot;| w/SUSUAT scope || rowspan=&amp;quot;4&amp;quot;|2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  [[James Nesbitt]] || Mike Swift &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  [[Adam Beresford]] || Richard Swift&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|   ||  British Soldiers&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]]'' ||  ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon]]'' || SA80 ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' ||  || w/ SUSAT scope || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Black]]'' || || || Stock footage || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Combat Arms]]'' ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]]'' ||  ||  || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]]'' || IL86 || w/optional [[M203 grenade launcher]] and suppressor || Erroneously shown with controls inverted onto the lefthand side || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]]''||L85||||||2012 &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]]'' ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[War Inc. Battlezone]]'' ||  ||  || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ZombiU]]'' ||SA80A2  ||  || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Akira]]'' || Neo Tokyo Police troops || w/SUSAT scopes || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Spriggan]]'' || British (?) troops || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' || Eru || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L85A2==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The L85A2 is a revamped version of the L85A1 with improved components, most notably the external 'Comma' shaped combined charging handle/brass deflector and stronger internal parts. The upgrading of L85A1 rifles to the L85A2 standard was carried out by Heckler &amp;amp; Koch (which, at the time, belonged to BAE) between 2002 and 2006; since then further improvements have been made in response to operational requirements, including new RIS/RAS equipped foreguards and the adoption of the ACOG sight by some units in Afghanistan. The new foreguards and the adoption of the Elcan Spectre as the official replacement of the SUSAT will be applied to all British Army units over the next three to four years.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|right|401px|L85A2 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2 upgraded.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 with magazine removed, railed forend, ACOG scope, Grippod foregrip, and Surefire FHSA80SA flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2AG36.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 5.56x45mm with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Children of Men]]'' ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Flood]]'' ||  || British soldiers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Shaun Dooley]] || Corporal Gant || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Leo Gregory]] || L/Cpl Quealy || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Matthew McNulty]] || Pte Shane Gulliver || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || [[Gerard Kearns]] || Pte Mark &amp;quot;Treacle&amp;quot; Tate || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]]'' || || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Sherlock]]''  || ??? || British Army soldier || w/SUSAT scope, S01E01 - &amp;quot;A Study in Pink&amp;quot; || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]]'' || ??? || British Army paratroopers || w/and w/out Surefire weaponlights || 2005 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ultimate Force]]'' || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
{|class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; {|class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;font-size: 95%;&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #D0E7FF; background-color:#ffffff; text-align:left; font-size: 95%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]''||British soldiers||With futuristic furniture, cybernetic sights and underbarrel M203||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' ||  ||  || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Söldner: Secret Wars]]'' ||  |||| ||  2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2]]'' ||  || With AG36 grenade launcher || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With grippod foregrip and optional L123A2 grenade launcher, ACOG or SUSAT scopes ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]]'' ||  || w/[[M203 grenade launcher]] || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon 2]]'' || SA-80A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Counter-Strike Online]]'' ||  ||  || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Alliance of Valiant Arms]]'' ||  || With EOTech red dot sight or ACOG scope ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]]'' ||  || w/various optional accessories || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[SOCOM: Confrontation]]'' || IW-80 A2 || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]]'' || Sa-80 A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Contra 4]]'' ||  || ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ArmA II]]'' || L85A2  || w/ RIS, SUSAT, EOTech sights; also can be fitted with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 3]]'' || L85A2 || w/ various accessories || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield Play4Free]]'' ||  || With black furniture and optional EOTech red dot sight or M145 MGO scope ||  || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=L22=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L22 Prototype==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A1 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC, RAC and some REME Crew as a personal defence weapon. Often wrongly refered to as the L22A1, this gun was never given an L designation, known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Killing Floor]]'' || Bullpup || w/EOTech red dot sight and 40-round magazine || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR Clear=All&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L22A1==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A2 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC Crew as a personal defense weapon. Often wrongly labelled the L22A2. The L22A1 has the same internal modification as the L85A2 and L86A2, but as the modification were done before the L22 was officially introduced it is designated the L22A1. New upgrades are now available such as the 20rnd magazine and picatinny rail systems.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80A2-l22a2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L22A1 w/20-round magazine and SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Referred as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]]'' || L22A2 ||  ||w/ various attachments  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=L86=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L86A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The L86A1 Light Support Weapon is the sustained fire variant of the SA80 series. Many have been replaced by the [[FN Minimi]] in this role or converted into L22 Carbines for AFV/Chopper crew members as a personal defense weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[A Sound of Thunder]]'' ||  || Apartment Resident || Lacks either iron sights or optics  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]]'' ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/various optics, w/ and w/O BFAs || 1991-1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Red Cap]]'' ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/SUSAT optic || 2003-2004&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Fallout 2]]'' || Light Support Weapon  || converted to a sniper rifle || features tan plastics, lengthened barrel || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[7.62 High Calibre]]'' ||  || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Modern Warfare 2]]'' || || w/ RIS foregrip, suppressor, red dot sight, EOtech holographic sight, SUSAT, thermal sight and/or extended magazine|| || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]''||L86 LSW||||||2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Ghost Recon Online]]'' ||   ||  ||  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Battlefield 3]]'' || || ||Available in Close Quarter expansion || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| ''[[Black Lagoon]]'' ||  || Seen on wall, with SUSAT scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;BR Clear=All&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==L86A2==&lt;br /&gt;
A revamped L86A1 LSW. The L86A2 is in limited usage along the FN Minimi, only for DMR purposes as it has superior accuracy/range. The L86A2 is also used by the ACF but only 3-Star+ Trained Cadets are allowed to use this weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
As of 2009/10, futher modifications have been made to L86A2s used in Afghanistan. These have the current foreguards replaced with the DD-quad RAS foreguard (with the ability to add various extras on all surfaces, such as foregrips or flashlights). The outrigger under the barrel can been removed (but bipod retained) or replaced with a RiS/RAS rail system. SUSATs retained, with the intention of replacing them with Elcan Spectre optics. These modifications have only been made to a select few units L86A2 DMRs. Those units not in, or immediately going to Afghanistan have yet to recieve the upgrades.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Image-SA80-L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 with SUSAT - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Project Reality]]'' ||  || With optional SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[ArmA II]]'' || || With Trijicon ACOG || Added in ''Operation Arrowhead: British Armed Forces'' || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=SA80 Prototypes=&lt;br /&gt;
Various prototypes made by Enfield for the British Government, starting in 1969. Various models, earliest using NATO 7.62. However, both of those listed below used the experimental British 4.85mm round. When NATO adopted the US 5.56 round, the XL70 series was redesigned to fire 5.56 and renamed under the SA80 programme - '''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80''''s. This project also included an LSW (although that version had a changeable barrel). Originally, the weapon had only a SUSAT - which was built in to the rifle, and non-removable - however, there was a folding foresight (visible).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XL64E5==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title '''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Note/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]]'' ||[[Lewis Collins]]||Bodie|| &amp;quot;Wild Justice&amp;quot; (S04E02) ||1980&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]]'' ||[[Martin Shaw]]||Doyle|| &amp;quot;Wild Justice&amp;quot; (S04E02) ||1980&lt;br /&gt;
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|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]''||Enfield||||w/ various customization options||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Fallout Tactics]]''||&amp;quot;XL70E3 Enfield&amp;quot;||||fires 5.56mm rounds||2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| ''[[Upotte!!]]'' ||  || w/SUSAT scope || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XL65E4 LSW==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:XL65E4 LSW.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL65E4 LSW - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Fallout 2]]''||&amp;quot;XL70E3&amp;quot;||Bipod removed||fires 5mm rounds||1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
=See Also=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Royal Small Arms Factory]] - A list of weapons produced by RSAF Enfield&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Machine Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Bullpup]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Blackguineapig</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Talk:Heckler &amp; Koch MP5</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* .45 ACP */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Screen Used MP5 variants==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EODMP5A3rubberprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with mounted [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm as used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]'s character Jericho Cane in the film ''[[End of Days]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00634.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm. This non-firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun is constructed of rubber and was used during parts of the barge sequence where the live firing gun was unecessary. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00634&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00646.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch SP89 - 9x19mm. This non-firing plastic prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The replica SP89 was used as a stand in for the virtually identical live firing MP5K used earlier in the sequence and was used onscreen when Winter throws the gun away. The tip was slightly damaged during the throw and is in otherwise good condition. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00646&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other Variants of the MP5==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;K 94.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 94 carbine with front pistol grip &amp;amp; barrel jacket]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KA4 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K_MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&amp;amp;K MP5 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:HKMP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Surefire Weaponlight and &amp;quot;SD&amp;quot;-style stock]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DayMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daisy Airsoft Model 14 Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K - 9x19mm. One of the first ASG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK_MP5SD.png|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with a integrated suppressor - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5K-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW fitted with a [[UMP]]-style stock - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD3-with2-round-burst.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with additional 2-round burst fire mode.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Note that this weapon '''is not''' an MP5SD6, the SD6 '''must''' feature the 3-round burst option. This trigger group is officially called &amp;quot;2-round burst&amp;quot; by H&amp;amp;K.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KACMP5RSRAIL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5F with Knight's Armament Company rail system - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JG MP5 RAS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''Airsoft''' MP5-RAS by Jing Gong - 6mm BB]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KModified.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group and forward handguard removed - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K-MP5Ksuitcase.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K in trademark Heckler &amp;amp; Koch suitcase - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SerenityMP5K.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K used in ''[[Serenity]]'' - version with SEF Plastic Trigger Pack and West German 'Waffle pattern' stick magazine - 9x19mm.  The LED sight, unfortunately, could not be found to mount on the weapon for the photograph.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SFA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SFA3 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD1 with 15-round magazine - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KAC.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A5 with PDW stock, Bushnell Holosight, RIS foregrip, and KAC railed forend - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 B&amp;amp;T visor stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Brugger &amp;amp; Thomet visor helmet stock, M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flash hider, and railed handguard - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 UMP stock.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5A3 with UMP stock, RIS foregrip, KAC railed forend, M68 Aimpoint red dot sight, and weaponlight - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Mp5 reverse stretch.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5K &amp;quot;Reverse Stretch&amp;quot; - 9x19mm. This is a custom weapon created by combining an MP5K front end with a full-size MP5 receiver This results in an MP5K capable of accepting a standard MP5 stock, in this case an MP5F retractable stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early MP5 gone==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As you can tell, I deleted the section on early MP5s, for two reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(1.) It's unlikely early MP5s appear in movies or TV, simply because those models are quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany. If you go to HKPRO's MP5 page, you can see what the earliest MP5s looked like.&lt;br /&gt;
(2.) The pictures were not early MP5s (one was an MP5A2 taken by MPM, which has since been moved to the MP5A2 section, the other was an A3 with a straight mag and older convex-style buttplate).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If anyone wants to restore it, please just copy and paste the code from an earlier revision; I made some other revisions that are important to keep. Don't undo all of my recent edits. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I've never seen a movie with the original HK54s, so I agree. If someone did want to put it on though, they have it on World Guns. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
:: I restored it, for three reasons: 1. I strongly disagree with the conclusion that a weapon has to be common to deserve inclusion. If that was a valid criterion a considerable number of the gun articles/sections on this site never would've been created. 2. The MP-54 is in [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]], so what if it's a video game, this site covers those too. 3. People editing ''that'' article take one look at &amp;quot;MP-54&amp;quot; and assume it's a typo, because even if they do their research by looking at ''this'' article, they find no such weapon and so conclude that it doesn't exist. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I checked your page for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. That doesn't look to me like an MP-54; it looks more like a regular MP5A3 with an open front sight. Such sights do exist as after-market accessories for the MP5. However, seeing as it's a game, it could also just be an artistic decision made by the gun modeler. But it's definitely not supposed to be an MP-54; notice it has the wrong rear sight and hand guards for the -54. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The page for [[Biggles: Adventures in Time]] (1986) mentions &amp;quot;old spec MP5's with staight magazines&amp;quot;; whether they're actual vintage early MP5s, I know not. British television and film productions might well use these guns. I worry about the deletion of the early section; it's going to clumsy to put it back when someone spots an early MP5, and someone ''will'' spot an early MP5 at some point. One will appear in the background of ''[[The Professionals]]'' or ''[[Who Dares Wins]]''; and although it may be true that they are &amp;quot;quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany&amp;quot;, this database doesn't exclude German television programmes. I understand that German television has historically not been too keen on guns, but there must have been German cop dramas and television films and indeed theatrical films in the 1970s. -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Why not put the 'fake' MP5s on the HK94 section?==&lt;br /&gt;
It technically runs counter to common practice on IMFDB by putting the gun in the section of the weapon it's 'impersonating' rather than the real section.  Case in point.  We put fake M16A2s (that are A1s with A2 handguards) in the M16A1 section ... NOT the M16A2 section, even though that is the gun it is impersonating.  Why don't we put the appearances of the C&amp;amp;C HK94s in the HK94 section?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmmm, I didn't notice that this wasn't being done. But yes, I agree, all C&amp;amp;C HK94s impersonating MP5s should go in the HK94 section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Pay no attention to what I just edited out, I was being stupid.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K's with the foregrips removed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the point of MP5K's with the fore grips removed appearing in movies? you don't have a grip, and could burn you hand if you have been shooting&lt;br /&gt;
:What? Speak english for me please.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Better?&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes. On topic, they are used as if they are machine pistols. Look at the Third Matrix movie page on this site. They are used in that movie. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ on the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Used as if they are machine pistols&amp;quot;? That would still apply even if the MP5Ks had foregrips but were being dual-wielded like in those scenes. In fact, MP5Ks (as opposed to MP5K-PDWs) ''are'' machine pistols, just relatively bulky ones (compared to models like the Glock 18) due to their lack of a buttstock (like the M93 Raffica). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:31, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SP-10 / MP-10 is also the PXP-10 ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Coharie Arms is the current producer of the SP-10 / MP-10 and its model is now designated as the PXP-10 (although the MP-10 designation is still in effect for fully automatic builds).  Their are some slight changes since the SP-10 production.  Specifically, the texturing was altered and mounting screws were added on the lower foregrip.  Additionally, the tint of the plastic may have changed as well.  Coharie has recently announced that the tooling is up for sale.&lt;br /&gt;
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== U.S. Police MP5 stocks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the most common stock type used by U.S. Police departments; the A2 type or the A3 type?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is almost impossible to tell. I've seen both in my local, county and State police SWAT teams so both are used in all police department. The better question would be are there any US police department that uses the MP5K? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:According to the picture about half way down the page, the Northeast Metro Law Enforcement Council Special Operations Unit in Massachusetts does. [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=70:hk-in-action-2-a-collection-of-actual-working-teams&amp;amp;catid=18:hk-in-action-series&amp;amp;Itemid=5] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP5F Redundancy?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do we really need a section for the MP5F? It seems highly unlikely that this model would be used in films or television, and visually distinguishing it from an MP5A3 or MP5A5 would be practically impossible. The only external indicator would be the stock, and that can be interchanged with other MP5 variants. The section claims that this model is internally modified to handle high-pressure ammo, which would be irrelevant for a blank-adapted weapon seen on-screen. If you ask me, having a section for the MP5F would be like having a section for the US military's M9 Beretta on the Beretta 92 page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No contest, nuke it. From what I understand unless the gun image came directly from a movie armorer, if the weapon has not appeared in anything than it has no right to be on IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just to add, there are actually some other exterior differences other than the stock. If by some miracle you can see the receiver markings on the spine in a movie, they will simply read HK MP5 rather than HK MP5-N. More realistically, you can also tell the difference by the front sling loop. On the original MP5s there is only a sling eye on the left hand side, mounted as the end of a pin. On the MP5F however, there is a sling loop on either side of the barrel, lower than the single loop on the standard MP5s. The original sling loop pin is replaced with a regular pin, and a &amp;quot;saddle&amp;quot; type mount for the sling loops is mounted under the barrel, placing the sling loops level with the centre of the barrel rather than above it as in the original MP5s.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:32, 19 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could the MP5/10 be fitted with an MP5A3-style telescoping stock? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I believe so, I remember seeing MP5/10s with collapsible stocks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Only the really cool ones :)  plus if you google it, the very first picture of one has a telescoping stock. God bless Jeff Cooper and his 10mm. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5K without sights ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In a couple of shows (only one I can think of right now is [[Ultimate Force]]) a version of the MP5K can be seen that appears to have no sights aside from a vestigial post at the front, and possibly a simple notch at the back. Anyone know if this was an actual version that was made a or a modification? As a side note, this version was actually used in real life by the British SAS, and can be seen in several &amp;quot;publicity&amp;quot; (for lack of a better term) photos taken during a training exercise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, does anyone know if the single fire MP5 versions (Not chopped HK94s, but the things with paddle magazine releases and 3-lug muzzles, and with regular SEF or Navy trigger groups just missing the FA position) were ever available to the public as I think I have spotted a couple in something.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:37, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bloody typical, immediately after I ask the question I find out that it an MP5KA1 (or MP5KA5 with 3 round burst added), and has low profile fixed pistol type sight for use when worn under clothing to prevent snagging. Does this deserve its own entry on the main page, as the visual differances between the K and KA1 are more than the difference between a MP5A2 and MP5A4.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:03, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA5.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA5 fitted with the bulky old aiming point projector.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And to answer your other question: In the U.S., the MP5SF (the semi-only versions) would not be legal for public ownership. The MP5SF is just a standard mil-spec/LE MP5 that has had its lower receiver swapped out for the SF trigger group; any of the burst/auto-fire lowers can be installed quickly, which means that legally, it is still a machine gun. And if it has a short barrel with the attachment lugs, it would also be an SBR (Short-Barreled Rifle). The reason that the HK94 and other MP5 semi-auto clones don't have the paddle mag releases is because the semi-auto lower receiver is permanently attached to the upper so that a select-fire lower can never be installed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:04, 19 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5KN ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think, the gun labeled as &amp;quot;MP5KN&amp;quot; in the MP5K section is just an MP5K fitted with a Navy trigger pack. The real KN has an extended barrel, like the PDW. Anyone agree with this? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:53, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, have been meaning to change it for a while but keep forgetting about it. Below is an actual MP5KN (well not exactly as the only ones in existence were issued to the US Navy, but this one is a Navy lower MP5K that someone has fitted with a rare genuine MP5KN barrel so is as close as you will ever get).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:47, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:MP5K-N.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KN - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Rather curious why Heckler &amp;amp; Koch haven't made MP5K with threaded barrel in the first place... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:25, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Suitcase gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the pictures of the MP5's at the top of this page, and the one of the MP5K in the specially-made suitcase got me wondering-wouldn't that be very hard to aim properly? No iron sights, firing from the shin...and who uses it anyway? CIA, MI6, FSD (I think that's the Russian security service). And say you wanted to buy one, where would you buy it? I doubt from a normal H&amp;amp;K weapons shop. And how much would it even cost, assuming it hasn't been banned in loads of places? Why has this even been made? I mean, I am very interested in guns-that-don't-look-like-guns. I just wonder, have there been suitcase guns before this? If so, did anyone ever actually use them, and can legally talk about it? Can anyone else tell me about any guns out there that are disguised as something else? Always interested...Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Supposedly HK offered it to private security firms for use by bodyguards; given you can't reload it without opening the case anyway, I assume it's only designed for use against someone who jumps your VIP at extremely close range where just pointing the case and shooting is all you're going to need. No idea if anyone ever seriously used one, mind. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:50, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was used by the British SAS for close protection (they had it, don't know if they actually used it seriously though). The taught way to aim it was to brace the end of the case (the opposite end to the barrel obviously) horizontally across your chest. You can see pics of it being used [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=91:mp5k-series&amp;amp;catid=9:the-submachine-guns&amp;amp;Itemid=5 here], along with pictures of the more practical (IMHO) MP5K bag, which allows you to access the selector, as well as being more naturally &amp;quot;pointable&amp;quot;. These did get around a bit, [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/e160ef77.jpg 22 MP5Ks in the briefcase] were found by US soldiers as part of an arms cache in Baghdad in 2003. The same arms cache also had a [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/09028da8.jpg gold plated MP5SD6]. If you google it you can find a few places selling them, with the prices being up to $4,000 for the case not including the gun, with about $2,500 apparently being about the average they go for these days.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:43, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ah, O.K. Thanks. I once heard something about camera guns, though. Anyone know anything about them? Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Guns with cameras or guns in cameras? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:14, 7 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5 side folding stock? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do MP5s with the side folding UMP style stock go, MP5A3 section?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 UMP stock.jpg|thumb|450px|none|MP5 with side folding UMP stock, RIS forend, Aimpoint red dot sight, flashlight and vertical grip - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Depends on the trigger group. This one has the SEF, which tells that used to be either an A2 or A3. However, I'm not sure that it would into either category with the UMP stock. I would probably place it in the MP5A3 due to it being more similar to the extending stock than the solid.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:14, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5F? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly the MP5F is such a minor variant of the MP5A5 that I don't think it deserves its own section, and secondly that isn't a picture of an MP5F. The only external differences (the major differences are internal to allow it to fire particularly powerful ammunition) are the double sided front sling loop and the redesigned stock, neither of which are present on this gun. Or am I missing something and the MP5F refers to a different model with the PDW stock?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:48, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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While I cant really tell the difference between the MP5F and MP5A3 here is a [http://www.tscmachine.com/images/HK-MP5Flarge2.jpg picture] of it. [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 18:54, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK SMG series  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The SMG series weapons are totally different to the MP5 series, the only thing they have in commen is that the SMG series '''can''' use regular MP5 mags --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 12:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because if you read about the development of the H&amp;amp;K SMG 1 &amp;amp; 2 they are a development from the HK54A1 and that is an atempt to create a product improved MP5. In essence the SMG 1 is an evolutionary firearm between the MP5 series and the UMP series of firearms. We put it in with the MP5 for convenience sake.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Yes I have read about it... still different technology at all --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 13:35, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Couple Questions about full-auto conversion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A. On a firearm that has been converted from semi-automatic to full-auto, does the safety still work?&lt;br /&gt;
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- [[User: 2wingo]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:A. Yes, the safety should still work after a FA conversion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both of those statements are based around a theoretical FA conversion. Such conversions are restricted to someone with a SOT license.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 18:33, 25 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== .45 ACP ==&lt;br /&gt;
Why wasn't a version of the MP5 firing this round ever made? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:44, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not enough demand for mass production. Bill Flemming made the first conversions and the now Defunct Special weapons company made both HK94 and SP89 clones in .45ACP. Still they are both rare as hens teeth.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a .45 MP5. It's called the UMP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:53, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The UMP is not roller locked and I think it uses a different trigger pack design( or at least a modified) + it has a completely different body design and material therefore the UMP is a totally different concept even when it evolved from the PIP (same for the HK SMG series). -[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 18:19, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder why the 10mm MP5 didn't become more popular because of the 10mm's power over other pistol calibers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The FBI hostage rescue team used it but they felt that the recoil was to great for it to be used even in controlled bursts. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 14:09, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A cartridge's technical advantages aren't enough in and of themselves to win over potential major supporters like national LEO agencies. Still, if you pick over the various MP5/10 shooting range videos on youtube (especially where the 2-round-burst setting is used), you'll see that the recoil of the MP5/10 doesn't appear to be anything significant. A terminal ballistics specialist by the name of Dr. Gary Roberts even called it [http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1376584&amp;amp;postcount=109 &amp;quot;probably the most interesting and effective SMG ever made.&amp;quot;]--[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:51, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yea I was some what mistaken there, the 'Firearms Training Unit (FTU) experts at Quantico, Virginia, determined that the 10mm was the best-performing law-enforcement cartridge of all autoloader rounds then available on the market' how ever the recoil was deemed by the 'that its recoil was excessive in terms of training for average agent/police officer competency of use and qualification' and once the 40 s&amp;amp;w hit the market it was adopted in its place [http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id7.html sorry I should have checked my facts before posting (I was half way right).&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:22, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Temp89|Temp89]] 12:51, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Da.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Enfield EM-2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the EM-2 be moved to out of service rifles as it was accepted as a an issue rifle (albeit briefly) in 1951 as the No 9 Rifle?&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 14:06, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would think that because it was never officially adopted (coupled with the fact that its chambering, the .280 British round, was roundly dismissed by the US forces, even though now many there are backpedalling by using the 6.8x43mm SPC round, which is dimensionally quite similar), renders it firmly to the &amp;quot;Experimental&amp;quot; category. --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] ([[User talk:Mazryonh|talk]]) 22:07, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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No that's what im saying it was adopted for less than a year as the 'No 9 Rifle' [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1994 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. &lt;br /&gt;
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In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance’s Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions &amp;amp; Ordnance).&lt;br /&gt;
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Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Specifications==&lt;br /&gt;
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''(1985-1994)''&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Type:''' Assault Rifle&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Capacity:''' 20, 30-round {{STANAG}}&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Fire Modes:''' Semi/Auto (safety is separate from fire selector)&lt;br /&gt;
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=L85=&lt;br /&gt;
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==L85A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The original variant of the SA80 series issued to the British forces. These were manufactured by Royal Ordnance (Formerly known as Enfield) from 1985 until 1994 after the notorious faults of the weapon in battlefield conditions.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Sa80-l85a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L85A1 left side.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[28 Days Later]] ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes, with and without bayonet || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Aliens]] ||  ||  || Seen on gun rack on ''Sulaco'' in extended edition || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Patriot Games]] ||  || British Army Guards || With covered SUSAT scopes and bayonets || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Patriot Games]] ||  || British Army soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Police Story 3: Supercop ]] || || Royal Hong Kong police officer || || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[The Devil's Own]] ||  || British Army soldiers  || With SUSAT scopes|| 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dog Soldiers]] ||  || British Army soldiers || With blank-firing adaptors and SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Underworld]] ||  ||  || With SUSAT scope, seen on gun rack || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Resident Evil: Extinction]] || [[Linden Ashby]] || Chase || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Doomsday]] ||  || British Army Guards || Appear to be old airsoft toys (due to mini Union Flag near butt plate) || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Punisher: War Zone]] || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Kick-Ass]] || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|[[Dempsey and Makepeace]] || || [[Mark Ryan]] ||&amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || British soldiers || &amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] || [[Robson Green]] || Dave Tucker|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] || ??? || British Army soldiers|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Bugs]]/&amp;quot;Stealth&amp;quot; || || ||  || 1995 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
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|''[[Midsomer Murders]]'' || || UK Territorial Army soldiers || &amp;quot;Days of Misrule&amp;quot; || 1997 - Present&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Firefly]] || ??? || Alliance soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Firefly]] || ??? || Browncoats ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
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| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|[[Ultimate Force]] || || British MOD police || w/SUSAT scopes || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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|  || SAS troopers || w/SUSAT scopes, only used for ceremonial occasions &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Red Cap]] || [[Tamzin Outhwaite]], others || British Army || W/SUSATs or Iron Sights || 2003 - 2004&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Zero Hour]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || || 2004-2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Battlestar Galactica]] || ??? || Honor guards || w/white-painted handguard and lower receiver || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Battlestar Galactica]]/&amp;quot;Resistance&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Farm&amp;quot; || ??? || Caprica Resistance fighters || w/ SUSAT scopes || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Situation Critical]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Caprica]] || ??? ||Caprican police officer || ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
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| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|[[Occupation]] || [[Stephen Graham]] || Danny ||rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;| w/SUSUAT scope || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2009&lt;br /&gt;
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|  [[James Nesbitt]] || Mike Swift &lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]] ||  ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Ghost Recon]] || SA80 ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || w/ SUSAT scope || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Black]] || || || Stock footage || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Combat Arms]] ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]] ||  ||  || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || IL86 || w/optional [[M203 grenade launcher]] and suppressor || Erroneously shown with controls inverted onto the lefthand side || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]]||L85||||||2012 &lt;br /&gt;
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| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]] ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[War Inc. Battlezone]] ||  ||  || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[ZombiU]] ||SA80A2  ||  || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Akira]] || Neo Tokyo Police troops || w/SUSAT scopes || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Spriggan]] || British (?) troops || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Upotte!!]] || Eru || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
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==L85A2==&lt;br /&gt;
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The L85A2 is a revamped version of the L85A1 with improved components, most notably the external 'Comma' shaped combined charging handle/brass deflector and stronger internal parts. The upgrading of L85A1 rifles to the L85A2 standard was carried out by Heckler &amp;amp; Koch (which, at the time, belonged to BAE) between 2002 and 2006; since then further improvements have been made in response to operational requirements, including new RIS/RAS equipped foreguards and the adoption of the ACOG sight by some units in Afghanistan. The new foreguards and the adoption of the Elcan Spectre as the official replacement of the SUSAT will be applied to all British Army units over the next three to four years.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|right|401px|L85A2 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2 upgraded.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 with magazine removed, railed forend, ACOG scope, Grippod foregrip, and Surefire FHSA80SA flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2AG36.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 5.56x45mm with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Children of Men]] ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Flood]] ||  || British soldiers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Shaun Dooley]] || Corporal Gant || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Leo Gregory]] || L/Cpl Quealy || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Matthew McNulty]] || Pte Shane Gulliver || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Gerard Kearns]] || Pte Mark &amp;quot;Treacle&amp;quot; Tate || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Sherlock]] / S01E01 - &amp;quot;A Study in Pink&amp;quot; || ??? || British Army soldier || w/SUSAT scope || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]] || ??? || British Army paratroopers || w/and w/out Surefire weaponlights || 2005 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ultimate Force]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]||British soldiers||With futuristic furniture, cybernetic sights and underbarrel M203||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Upotte!!]] ||  ||  || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Söldner: Secret Wars]] ||  |||| ||  2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || With AG36 grenade launcher || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With grippod foregrip and optional L123A2 grenade launcher, ACOG or SUSAT scopes ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] ||  || w/[[M203 grenade launcher]] || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon 2]] || SA-80A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] ||  ||  || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Alliance of Valiant Arms]] ||  || With EOTech red dot sight or ACOG scope ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] ||  || w/various optional accessories || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[SOCOM: Confrontation]] || IW-80 A2 || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]] || Sa-80 A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Contra 4]] ||  || ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] || L85A2  || w/ RIS, SUSAT, EOTech sights; also can be fitted with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 3]] || L85A2 || w/ various accessories || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield Play4Free]] ||  || With black furniture and optional EOTech red dot sight or M145 MGO scope ||  || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
=L22=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L22 Prototype==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A1 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC, RAC and some REME Crew as a personal defence weapon. Often wrongly refered to as the L22A1, this gun was never given an L designation, known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Killing Floor]] || Bullpup || w/EOTech red dot sight and 40-round magazine || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR Clear=All&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L22A1==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A2 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC Crew as a personal defense weapon. Often wrongly labelled the L22A2. The L22A1 has the same internal modification as the L85A2 and L86A2, but as the modification were done before the L22 was officially introduced it is designated the L22A1. New upgrades are now available such as the 20rnd magazine and picatinny rail systems.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80A2-l22a2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L22A1 w/20-round magazine and SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Referred as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|''' Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]] || L22A2 ||  ||w/ various attachments  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=L86=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L86A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The L86A1 Light Support Weapon is the sustained fire variant of the SA80 series. Many have been replaced by the [[FN Minimi]] in this role or converted into L22 Carbines for AFV/Chopper crew members as a personal defense weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[A Sound of Thunder]] ||  || Apartment Resident || Lacks either iron sights or optics  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/various optics, w/ and w/O BFAs || 1991-1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Red Cap]] ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/SUSAT optic || 2003-2004&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Fallout 2]] || Light Support Weapon  || converted to a sniper rifle || features tan plastics, lengthened barrel || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] ||  || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || || w/ RIS foregrip, suppressor, red dot sight, EOtech holographic sight, SUSAT, thermal sight and/or extended magazine|| || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]||L86 LSW||||||2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon Online]] ||   ||  ||  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 3]] || || ||Available in Close Quarter expansion || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Lagoon]] ||  || Seen on wall, with SUSAT scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR Clear=All&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L86A2==&lt;br /&gt;
A revamped L86A1 LSW. The L86A2 is in limited usage along the FN Minimi, only for DMR purposes as it has superior accuracy/range. The L86A2 is also used by the ACF but only 3-Star+ Trained Cadets are allowed to use this weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
As of 2009/10, futher modifications have been made to L86A2s used in Afghanistan. These have the current foreguards replaced with the DD-quad RAS foreguard (with the ability to add various extras on all surfaces, such as foregrips or flashlights). The outrigger under the barrel can been removed (but bipod retained) or replaced with a RiS/RAS rail system. SUSATs retained, with the intention of replacing them with Elcan Spectre optics. These modifications have only been made to a select few units L86A2 DMRs. Those units not in, or immediately going to Afghanistan have yet to recieve the upgrades.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Image-SA80-L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 with SUSAT - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With optional SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] || || With Trijicon ACOG || Added in ''Operation Arrowhead: British Armed Forces'' || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=SA80 Prototypes=&lt;br /&gt;
Various prototypes made by Enfield for the British Government, starting in 1969. Various models, earliest using NATO 7.62. However, both of those listed below used the experimental British 4.85mm round. When NATO adopted the US 5.56 round, the XL70 series was redesigned to fire 5.56 and renamed under the SA80 programme - '''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80''''s. This project also included an LSW (although that version had a changeable barrel). Originally, the weapon had only a SUSAT - which was built in to the rifle, and non-removable - however, there was a folding foresight (visible).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==XL64E5==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]] / Wild Justice||[[Lewis Collins]]||Bodie||||1977-1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]] / Wild Justice||[[Martin Shaw]]||Doyle||||1977-1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]||Enfield||||w/ various customization options||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Fallout Tactics]]||&amp;quot;XL70E3 Enfield&amp;quot;||||fires 5.56mm rounds||2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Upotte!!]] ||  || w/SUSAT scope || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==XL65E4 LSW==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:XL65E4 LSW.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL65E4 LSW - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Fallout 2]]||&amp;quot;XL70E3&amp;quot;||Bipod removed||fires 5mm rounds||1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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=See Also=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Royal Small Arms Factory]] - A list of weapons produced by RSAF Enfield&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Machine Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Bullpup]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Blackguineapig</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Enfield SA80</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* Television */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The '''SA80''' ('''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80'''s) is a series of 5.56x45mm bullpup assault rifles and light support weapons designed on the operation of the [[Armalite AR-18]] and SAR-87 (An advanced AR-18 made by the rival company Sterling Armaments of Dagenham), and produced from 1985 to 1994 by the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield Lock. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In 1988 production of the rifle was transferred to the Royal Ordnance’s Nottingham Small Arms Facility (later British Aerospace, Royal Ordnance; now BAE Systems Land Systems Munitions &amp;amp; Ordnance).&lt;br /&gt;
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Unlike other bullpup weapons like the [[FAMAS]] and [[AUG]] series, the L85 series has no ambidextrous ejection port, forcing it to be used right-handed only. &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The SA80 can be seen in the following films, television series, anime and video games used by the following actors:'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Specifications==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
''(1985-1994)''&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Type:''' Assault Rifle&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Caliber:''' 5.56x45mm NATO&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Capacity:''' 20, 30-round {{STANAG}}&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Fire Modes:''' Semi/Auto (safety is separate from fire selector)&lt;br /&gt;
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=L85=&lt;br /&gt;
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==L85A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The original variant of the SA80 series issued to the British forces. These were manufactured by Royal Ordnance (Formerly known as Enfield) from 1985 until 1994 after the notorious faults of the weapon in battlefield conditions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L85A1 left side.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;80&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[28 Days Later]] ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes, with and without bayonet || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Aliens]] ||  ||  || Seen on gun rack on ''Sulaco'' in extended edition || 1986&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Patriot Games]] ||  || British Army Guards || With covered SUSAT scopes and bayonets || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Patriot Games]] ||  || British Army soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Police Story 3: Supercop ]] || || Royal Hong Kong police officer || || 1992&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[The Devil's Own]] ||  || British Army soldiers  || With SUSAT scopes|| 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Dog Soldiers]] ||  || British Army soldiers || With blank-firing adaptors and SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Underworld]] ||  ||  || With SUSAT scope, seen on gun rack || 2003&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Resident Evil: Extinction]] || [[Linden Ashby]] || Chase || With M68 Aimpoint red dot scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Doomsday]] ||  || British Army Guards || Appear to be old airsoft toys (due to mini Union Flag near butt plate) || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Punisher: War Zone]] || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Kick-Ass]] || || ||Seen on gun rack || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|[[Dempsey and Makepeace]] || || [[Mark Ryan]] ||&amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || British soldiers || &amp;quot;Extreme Prejudice&amp;quot; (S03E05) &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] || [[Robson Green]] || Dave Tucker|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] || ??? || British Army soldiers|| w/ SUSAT scopes, w/ and without bayonets and protective covers || 1991 - 1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Bugs]]/&amp;quot;Stealth&amp;quot; || || ||  || 1995 - 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|''[[Midsomer Murders]]'' || || UK Territorial Army soldiers || &amp;quot;Days of Misrule&amp;quot; || 1997 - Present&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Firefly]] || ??? || Alliance soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Firefly]] || ??? || Browncoats ||  || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|[[Ultimate Force]] || || British MOD police || w/SUSAT scopes || rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;|2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|  || SAS troopers || w/SUSAT scopes, only used for ceremonial occasions &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Red Cap]] || [[Tamzin Outhwaite]], others || British Army || W/SUSATs or Iron Sights || 2003 - 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Zero Hour]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || || 2004-2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlestar Galactica]] || ??? || Honor guards || w/white-painted handguard and lower receiver || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlestar Galactica]]/&amp;quot;Resistance&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Farm&amp;quot; || ??? || Caprica Resistance fighters || w/ SUSAT scopes || 2004 - 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Situation Critical]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Caprica]] || ??? ||Caprican police officer || ||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Occupation]] || ??? ||British Army Soldiers || w/SUSUAT scopes || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Release Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear]] ||  ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon]] || SA80 ||w/ SUSAT scope || || 2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || w/ SUSAT scope || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black]] || || || Stock footage || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Combat Arms]] ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas (PSP)]] ||  ||  || || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]] || IL86 || w/optional [[M203 grenade launcher]] and suppressor || Erroneously shown with controls inverted onto the lefthand side || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Jagged Alliance: Back in Action]]||L85||||||2012 &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky]] ||  ||  || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[War Inc. Battlezone]] ||  ||  || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| [[ZombiU]] ||SA80A2  ||  || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Akira]] || Neo Tokyo Police troops || w/SUSAT scopes || 1987&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Spriggan]] || British (?) troops || || 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Upotte!!]] || Eru || || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;BR clear=all&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L85A2==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The L85A2 is a revamped version of the L85A1 with improved components, most notably the external 'Comma' shaped combined charging handle/brass deflector and stronger internal parts. The upgrading of L85A1 rifles to the L85A2 standard was carried out by Heckler &amp;amp; Koch (which, at the time, belonged to BAE) between 2002 and 2006; since then further improvements have been made in response to operational requirements, including new RIS/RAS equipped foreguards and the adoption of the ACOG sight by some units in Afghanistan. The new foreguards and the adoption of the Elcan Spectre as the official replacement of the SUSAT will be applied to all British Army units over the next three to four years.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2Iron.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l85a2.jpg|thumb|right|401px|L85A2 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2 upgraded.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 with magazine removed, railed forend, ACOG scope, Grippod foregrip, and Surefire FHSA80SA flash hider - 5.56x45mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:L85A2AG36.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L85A2 5.56x45mm with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] 40mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;220&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Children of Men]] ||  || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Flood]] ||  || British soldiers ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Shaun Dooley]] || Corporal Gant || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Leo Gregory]] || L/Cpl Quealy || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Matthew McNulty]] || Pte Shane Gulliver || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || [[Gerard Kearns]] || Pte Mark &amp;quot;Treacle&amp;quot; Tate || With SUSAT scope || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Mark of Cain, The|The Mark of Cain]] || || British soldiers || With SUSAT scopes || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title/Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;170&amp;quot;|'''Actor'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;225&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;75&amp;quot;|'''Air Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Sherlock]] / S01E01 - &amp;quot;A Study in Pink&amp;quot; || ??? || British Army soldier || w/SUSAT scope || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Doctor Who (New Series)|Doctor Who]] || ??? || British Army paratroopers || w/and w/out Surefire weaponlights || 2005 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ultimate Force]] || ??? || British Army soldiers || w/SUSAT scopes || 2002 - 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Note'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig|Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. 2nd GIG]]||British soldiers||With futuristic furniture, cybernetic sights and underbarrel M203||2004-2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Upotte!!]] ||  ||  || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;250&amp;quot;|'''Mods'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;200&amp;quot;|'''Notation'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Söldner: Secret Wars]] ||  |||| ||  2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2]] ||  || With AG36 grenade launcher || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With grippod foregrip and optional L123A2 grenade launcher, ACOG or SUSAT scopes ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 2: Modern Combat]] ||  || w/[[M203 grenade launcher]] || || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon 2]] || SA-80A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2004&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Counter-Strike Online]] ||  ||  || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Alliance of Valiant Arms]] ||  || With EOTech red dot sight or ACOG scope ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Rainbow Six: Vegas 2]] ||  || w/various optional accessories || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[SOCOM: Confrontation]] || IW-80 A2 || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Delta Force: Task Force Dagger]] || Sa-80 A2 || w/SUSAT scope || || 2002&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Contra 4]] ||  || ||  || 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] || L85A2  || w/ RIS, SUSAT, EOTech sights; also can be fitted with [[Heckler &amp;amp; Koch AG36 Grenade Launcher|L123A2 grenade launcher]] ||  || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 3]] || L85A2 || w/ various accessories || || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield Play4Free]] ||  || With black furniture and optional EOTech red dot sight or M145 MGO scope ||  || 2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
=L22=&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==L22 Prototype==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A1 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC, RAC and some REME Crew as a personal defence weapon. Often wrongly refered to as the L22A1, this gun was never given an L designation, known only as an SA80 AFV or Armoured Fighting Vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80-l22a1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|SA80 AFV prototype with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Killing Floor]] || Bullpup || w/EOTech red dot sight and 40-round magazine || || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
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==L22A1==&lt;br /&gt;
Converted from L86A2 Light Support Weapons, These are issued to AAC Crew as a personal defense weapon. Often wrongly labelled the L22A2. The L22A1 has the same internal modification as the L85A2 and L86A2, but as the modification were done before the L22 was officially introduced it is designated the L22A1. New upgrades are now available such as the 20rnd magazine and picatinny rail systems.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Sa80A2-l22a2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L22A1 w/20-round magazine and SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] || || ||w/ various attachments|| 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon: Future Soldier]] || L22A2 ||  ||w/ various attachments  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
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=L86=&lt;br /&gt;
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==L86A1==&lt;br /&gt;
The L86A1 Light Support Weapon is the sustained fire variant of the SA80 series. Many have been replaced by the [[FN Minimi]] in this role or converted into L22 Carbines for AFV/Chopper crew members as a personal defense weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SA80-L86A1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A1 with SUSAT scope - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Film===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[A Sound of Thunder]] ||  || Apartment Resident || Lacks either iron sights or optics  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Soldier Soldier (TV series)|Soldier Soldier]] ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/various optics, w/ and w/O BFAs || 1991-1997&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Red Cap]] ||  || British Army Soldiers || w/SUSAT optic || 2003-2004&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Fallout 2]] || Light Support Weapon  || converted to a sniper rifle || features tan plastics, lengthened barrel || 1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[7.62 High Calibre]] ||  || || || 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Modern Warfare 2]] || || w/ RIS foregrip, suppressor, red dot sight, EOtech holographic sight, SUSAT, thermal sight and/or extended magazine|| || 2009&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3]]||L86 LSW||||||2011&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Ghost Recon Online]] ||   ||  ||  || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Battlefield 3]] || || ||Available in Close Quarter expansion || 2012&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Black Lagoon]] ||  || Seen on wall, with SUSAT scope || 2006&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==L86A2==&lt;br /&gt;
A revamped L86A1 LSW. The L86A2 is in limited usage along the FN Minimi, only for DMR purposes as it has superior accuracy/range. The L86A2 is also used by the ACF but only 3-Star+ Trained Cadets are allowed to use this weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
As of 2009/10, futher modifications have been made to L86A2s used in Afghanistan. These have the current foreguards replaced with the DD-quad RAS foreguard (with the ability to add various extras on all surfaces, such as foregrips or flashlights). The outrigger under the barrel can been removed (but bipod retained) or replaced with a RiS/RAS rail system. SUSATs retained, with the intention of replacing them with Elcan Spectre optics. These modifications have only been made to a select few units L86A2 DMRs. Those units not in, or immediately going to Afghanistan have yet to recieve the upgrades.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Image-SA80-L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:L86A2.jpg|thumb|right|400px|L86A2 with SUSAT - 5.56x45mm NATO]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Project Reality]] ||  || With optional SUSAT scope ||  || 2005&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[ArmA II]] || || With Trijicon ACOG || Added in ''Operation Arrowhead: British Armed Forces'' || 2010&lt;br /&gt;
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=SA80 Prototypes=&lt;br /&gt;
Various prototypes made by Enfield for the British Government, starting in 1969. Various models, earliest using NATO 7.62. However, both of those listed below used the experimental British 4.85mm round. When NATO adopted the US 5.56 round, the XL70 series was redesigned to fire 5.56 and renamed under the SA80 programme - '''S'''mall '''A'''rms for the 19'''80''''s. This project also included an LSW (although that version had a changeable barrel). Originally, the weapon had only a SUSAT - which was built in to the rifle, and non-removable - however, there was a folding foresight (visible).&lt;br /&gt;
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==XL64E5==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EnfieldXL64.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL64E5 - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Television===&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;280&amp;quot;|'''Show Title / Episode'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]] / Wild Justice||[[Lewis Collins]]||Bodie||||1977-1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Professionals (TV Series), The|The Professionals]] / Wild Justice||[[Martin Shaw]]||Doyle||||1977-1983&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Call of Duty: Black Ops]]||Enfield||||w/ various customization options||2010&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Fallout Tactics]]||&amp;quot;XL70E3 Enfield&amp;quot;||||fires 5.56mm rounds||2001&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anime===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Film/Series Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;275&amp;quot;|'''Character'''&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;100&amp;quot;|'''Date'''&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Upotte!!]] ||  || w/SUSAT scope || 2012 - ????&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==XL65E4 LSW==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:XL65E4 LSW.jpg|thumb|right|400px|XL65E4 LSW - 4.85x49mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Video Games===&lt;br /&gt;
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|-bgcolor=#D0E7FF&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;300&amp;quot;|'''Game Title'''&lt;br /&gt;
!align=center bgcolor=#D0E7FF width=&amp;quot;150&amp;quot;|'''Appears as'''&lt;br /&gt;
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|-&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Fallout 2]]||&amp;quot;XL70E3&amp;quot;||Bipod removed||fires 5mm rounds||1998&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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=See Also=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Royal Small Arms Factory]] - A list of weapons produced by RSAF Enfield&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Assault Rifle]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Machine Gun]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Bullpup]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Blackguineapig</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.buildlogs.org/index.php?title=Talk:Heckler_%26_Koch_MP5&amp;diff=652324</id>
		<title>Talk:Heckler &amp; Koch MP5</title>
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		<updated>2013-01-22T19:09:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Blackguineapig: /* .45 ACP */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Screen Used MP5 variants==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:EODMP5A3rubberprop.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 9x19mm with mounted [[M203 grenade launcher]] 40mm as used by [[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]'s character Jericho Cane in the film ''[[End of Days]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00634.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 - 9x19mm. This non-firing weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The gun is constructed of rubber and was used during parts of the barge sequence where the live firing gun was unecessary. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00634&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:P00646.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Screen used prop Heckler &amp;amp; Koch SP89 - 9x19mm. This non-firing plastic prop weapon is verified as screen used from the film ''[[Salt]]''. The replica SP89 was used as a stand in for the virtually identical live firing MP5K used earlier in the sequence and was used onscreen when Winter throws the gun away. The tip was slightly damaged during the throw and is in otherwise good condition. This item is currently being sold by [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/ The Golden Closet]; see [http://www.thegoldencloset.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=6ef04a13fbe759cbdcbdc6bc4c4b809f&amp;amp;Screen=PROD&amp;amp;Product_Code=P00646&amp;amp;Store_Code=TGC&amp;amp;search=Salt&amp;amp;offset=0&amp;amp;filter_cat=&amp;amp;PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&amp;amp;sort=&amp;amp;range_low=&amp;amp;range_high= this link].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other Variants of the MP5==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:H&amp;amp;K 94.JPG|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch 94 carbine with front pistol grip &amp;amp; barrel jacket]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KA42.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5KA4 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K_MP54.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP54 earliest prototype of the H&amp;amp;K MP5 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:HKMP5A3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Surefire Weaponlight and &amp;quot;SD&amp;quot;-style stock]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DayMP5K.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Daisy Airsoft Model 14 Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K - 9x19mm. One of the first ASG.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:HK_MP5SD.png|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with a integrated suppressor - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5K-UMP.jpg|thumb|none|401px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K-PDW fitted with a [[UMP]]-style stock - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD3-with2-round-burst.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD3 with additional 2-round burst fire mode.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Note that this weapon '''is not''' an MP5SD6, the SD6 '''must''' feature the 3-round burst option. This trigger group is officially called &amp;quot;2-round burst&amp;quot; by H&amp;amp;K.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:KACMP5RSRAIL.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5F with Knight's Armament Company rail system - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JG MP5 RAS.jpg|thumb|none|400px|'''Airsoft''' MP5-RAS by Jing Gong - 6mm BB]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KModified.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K with SEF trigger group and forward handguard removed - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:H&amp;amp;K-MP5Ksuitcase.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K in trademark Heckler &amp;amp; Koch suitcase - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SerenityMP5K.jpg |thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K used in ''[[Serenity]]'' - version with SEF Plastic Trigger Pack and West German 'Waffle pattern' stick magazine - 9x19mm.  The LED sight, unfortunately, could not be found to mount on the weapon for the photograph.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SFA3.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SFA3 - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5SD1.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5SD1 with 15-round magazine - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MP5KAC.jpg|thumb|400px|none|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A5 with PDW stock, Bushnell Holosight, RIS foregrip, and KAC railed forend - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 B&amp;amp;T visor stock.jpg|thumb|none|400px|Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5A3 with Brugger &amp;amp; Thomet visor helmet stock, M68 Aimpoint red dot scope, flash hider, and railed handguard - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5 UMP stock.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5A3 with UMP stock, RIS foregrip, KAC railed forend, M68 Aimpoint red dot sight, and weaponlight - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Mp5 reverse stretch.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5K &amp;quot;Reverse Stretch&amp;quot; - 9x19mm. This is a custom weapon created by combining an MP5K front end with a full-size MP5 receiver This results in an MP5K capable of accepting a standard MP5 stock, in this case an MP5F retractable stock.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early MP5 gone==&lt;br /&gt;
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As you can tell, I deleted the section on early MP5s, for two reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
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(1.) It's unlikely early MP5s appear in movies or TV, simply because those models are quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany. If you go to HKPRO's MP5 page, you can see what the earliest MP5s looked like.&lt;br /&gt;
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If anyone wants to restore it, please just copy and paste the code from an earlier revision; I made some other revisions that are important to keep. Don't undo all of my recent edits. Thanks. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I've never seen a movie with the original HK54s, so I agree. If someone did want to put it on though, they have it on World Guns. -GM&lt;br /&gt;
:: I restored it, for three reasons: 1. I strongly disagree with the conclusion that a weapon has to be common to deserve inclusion. If that was a valid criterion a considerable number of the gun articles/sections on this site never would've been created. 2. The MP-54 is in [[S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl]], so what if it's a video game, this site covers those too. 3. People editing ''that'' article take one look at &amp;quot;MP-54&amp;quot; and assume it's a typo, because even if they do their research by looking at ''this'' article, they find no such weapon and so conclude that it doesn't exist. --[[User:MattyDienhoff|MattyDienhoff]] 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I checked your page for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. That doesn't look to me like an MP-54; it looks more like a regular MP5A3 with an open front sight. Such sights do exist as after-market accessories for the MP5. However, seeing as it's a game, it could also just be an artistic decision made by the gun modeler. But it's definitely not supposed to be an MP-54; notice it has the wrong rear sight and hand guards for the -54. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The page for [[Biggles: Adventures in Time]] (1986) mentions &amp;quot;old spec MP5's with staight magazines&amp;quot;; whether they're actual vintage early MP5s, I know not. British television and film productions might well use these guns. I worry about the deletion of the early section; it's going to clumsy to put it back when someone spots an early MP5, and someone ''will'' spot an early MP5 at some point. One will appear in the background of ''[[The Professionals]]'' or ''[[Who Dares Wins]]''; and although it may be true that they are &amp;quot;quite rare and basically not available outside of Germany&amp;quot;, this database doesn't exclude German television programmes. I understand that German television has historically not been too keen on guns, but there must have been German cop dramas and television films and indeed theatrical films in the 1970s. -[[User:Ashley Pomeroy|Ashley Pomeroy]] 18:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Why not put the 'fake' MP5s on the HK94 section?==&lt;br /&gt;
It technically runs counter to common practice on IMFDB by putting the gun in the section of the weapon it's 'impersonating' rather than the real section.  Case in point.  We put fake M16A2s (that are A1s with A2 handguards) in the M16A1 section ... NOT the M16A2 section, even though that is the gun it is impersonating.  Why don't we put the appearances of the C&amp;amp;C HK94s in the HK94 section?  [[User:MoviePropMaster2008|MoviePropMaster2008]] 22:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmmm, I didn't notice that this wasn't being done. But yes, I agree, all C&amp;amp;C HK94s impersonating MP5s should go in the HK94 section. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Pay no attention to what I just edited out, I was being stupid.-protoAuthor&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heckler &amp;amp; Koch MP5K's with the foregrips removed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the point of MP5K's with the fore grips removed appearing in movies? you don't have a grip, and could burn you hand if you have been shooting&lt;br /&gt;
:What? Speak english for me please.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 20:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. On topic, they are used as if they are machine pistols. Look at the Third Matrix movie page on this site. They are used in that movie. Also, sign your posts by putting four ~ on the end of every message.-[[User:Oliveira|Oliveira]] 16:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Used as if they are machine pistols&amp;quot;? That would still apply even if the MP5Ks had foregrips but were being dual-wielded like in those scenes. In fact, MP5Ks (as opposed to MP5K-PDWs) ''are'' machine pistols, just relatively bulky ones (compared to models like the Glock 18) due to their lack of a buttstock (like the M93 Raffica). --[[User:Mazryonh|Mazryonh]] 14:31, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== SP-10 / MP-10 is also the PXP-10 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Coharie Arms is the current producer of the SP-10 / MP-10 and its model is now designated as the PXP-10 (although the MP-10 designation is still in effect for fully automatic builds).  Their are some slight changes since the SP-10 production.  Specifically, the texturing was altered and mounting screws were added on the lower foregrip.  Additionally, the tint of the plastic may have changed as well.  Coharie has recently announced that the tooling is up for sale.&lt;br /&gt;
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== U.S. Police MP5 stocks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the most common stock type used by U.S. Police departments; the A2 type or the A3 type?&lt;br /&gt;
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That is almost impossible to tell. I've seen both in my local, county and State police SWAT teams so both are used in all police department. The better question would be are there any US police department that uses the MP5K? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 02:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:According to the picture about half way down the page, the Northeast Metro Law Enforcement Council Special Operations Unit in Massachusetts does. [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=70:hk-in-action-2-a-collection-of-actual-working-teams&amp;amp;catid=18:hk-in-action-series&amp;amp;Itemid=5] --[[User:Funkychinaman|funkychinaman]] 03:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP5F Redundancy?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we really need a section for the MP5F? It seems highly unlikely that this model would be used in films or television, and visually distinguishing it from an MP5A3 or MP5A5 would be practically impossible. The only external indicator would be the stock, and that can be interchanged with other MP5 variants. The section claims that this model is internally modified to handle high-pressure ammo, which would be irrelevant for a blank-adapted weapon seen on-screen. If you ask me, having a section for the MP5F would be like having a section for the US military's M9 Beretta on the Beretta 92 page. [[User:Orca1 9904|Orca1 9904]] 19:33, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No contest, nuke it. From what I understand unless the gun image came directly from a movie armorer, if the weapon has not appeared in anything than it has no right to be on IMFDB. --[[User:AdAstra2009|AdAstra2009]] 19:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just to add, there are actually some other exterior differences other than the stock. If by some miracle you can see the receiver markings on the spine in a movie, they will simply read HK MP5 rather than HK MP5-N. More realistically, you can also tell the difference by the front sling loop. On the original MP5s there is only a sling eye on the left hand side, mounted as the end of a pin. On the MP5F however, there is a sling loop on either side of the barrel, lower than the single loop on the standard MP5s. The original sling loop pin is replaced with a regular pin, and a &amp;quot;saddle&amp;quot; type mount for the sling loops is mounted under the barrel, placing the sling loops level with the centre of the barrel rather than above it as in the original MP5s.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:32, 19 May 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==MP5/10==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could the MP5/10 be fitted with an MP5A3-style telescoping stock? [[User:MrOshimida27|MrOshimida27]] 00:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I believe so, I remember seeing MP5/10s with collapsible stocks. [[User:StanTheMan|StanTheMan]] 01:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Only the really cool ones :)  plus if you google it, the very first picture of one has a telescoping stock. God bless Jeff Cooper and his 10mm. --[[User:Spades of Columbia|Spades of Columbia]] 17:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5K without sights ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In a couple of shows (only one I can think of right now is [[Ultimate Force]]) a version of the MP5K can be seen that appears to have no sights aside from a vestigial post at the front, and possibly a simple notch at the back. Anyone know if this was an actual version that was made a or a modification? As a side note, this version was actually used in real life by the British SAS, and can be seen in several &amp;quot;publicity&amp;quot; (for lack of a better term) photos taken during a training exercise.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, does anyone know if the single fire MP5 versions (Not chopped HK94s, but the things with paddle magazine releases and 3-lug muzzles, and with regular SEF or Navy trigger groups just missing the FA position) were ever available to the public as I think I have spotted a couple in something.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 17:37, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bloody typical, immediately after I ask the question I find out that it an MP5KA1 (or MP5KA5 with 3 round burst added), and has low profile fixed pistol type sight for use when worn under clothing to prevent snagging. Does this deserve its own entry on the main page, as the visual differances between the K and KA1 are more than the difference between a MP5A2 and MP5A4.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:03, 13 April 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA1.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA1]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP5KA5.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KA5 fitted with the bulky old aiming point projector.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, the MP5KA1 should get its own section, although I'm not sure it's all that common (''[[Ultimate Force]]'' is so far the only media appearance of this variant that I've seen).&lt;br /&gt;
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:And to answer your other question: In the U.S., the MP5SF (the semi-only versions) would not be legal for public ownership. The MP5SF is just a standard mil-spec/LE MP5 that has had its lower receiver swapped out for the SF trigger group; any of the burst/auto-fire lowers can be installed quickly, which means that legally, it is still a machine gun. And if it has a short barrel with the attachment lugs, it would also be an SBR (Short-Barreled Rifle). The reason that the HK94 and other MP5 semi-auto clones don't have the paddle mag releases is because the semi-auto lower receiver is permanently attached to the upper so that a select-fire lower can never be installed. -[[User:MT2008|MT2008]] 10:04, 19 July 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5KN ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think, the gun labeled as &amp;quot;MP5KN&amp;quot; in the MP5K section is just an MP5K fitted with a Navy trigger pack. The real KN has an extended barrel, like the PDW. Anyone agree with this? - [[User:Bozitojugg3rn4ut|bozitojugg3rn4ut]] 13:53, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, have been meaning to change it for a while but keep forgetting about it. Below is an actual MP5KN (well not exactly as the only ones in existence were issued to the US Navy, but this one is a Navy lower MP5K that someone has fitted with a rare genuine MP5KN barrel so is as close as you will ever get).  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 14:47, 4 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[File:MP5K-N.jpg|thumb|400px|none|MP5KN - 9x19mm]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::Rather curious why Heckler &amp;amp; Koch haven't made MP5K with threaded barrel in the first place... --[[User:Masterius|Masterius]] 03:25, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Suitcase gun ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was looking at the pictures of the MP5's at the top of this page, and the one of the MP5K in the specially-made suitcase got me wondering-wouldn't that be very hard to aim properly? No iron sights, firing from the shin...and who uses it anyway? CIA, MI6, FSD (I think that's the Russian security service). And say you wanted to buy one, where would you buy it? I doubt from a normal H&amp;amp;K weapons shop. And how much would it even cost, assuming it hasn't been banned in loads of places? Why has this even been made? I mean, I am very interested in guns-that-don't-look-like-guns. I just wonder, have there been suitcase guns before this? If so, did anyone ever actually use them, and can legally talk about it? Can anyone else tell me about any guns out there that are disguised as something else? Always interested...Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Supposedly HK offered it to private security firms for use by bodyguards; given you can't reload it without opening the case anyway, I assume it's only designed for use against someone who jumps your VIP at extremely close range where just pointing the case and shooting is all you're going to need. No idea if anyone ever seriously used one, mind. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 03:50, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::It was used by the British SAS for close protection (they had it, don't know if they actually used it seriously though). The taught way to aim it was to brace the end of the case (the opposite end to the barrel obviously) horizontally across your chest. You can see pics of it being used [http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=91:mp5k-series&amp;amp;catid=9:the-submachine-guns&amp;amp;Itemid=5 here], along with pictures of the more practical (IMHO) MP5K bag, which allows you to access the selector, as well as being more naturally &amp;quot;pointable&amp;quot;. These did get around a bit, [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/e160ef77.jpg 22 MP5Ks in the briefcase] were found by US soldiers as part of an arms cache in Baghdad in 2003. The same arms cache also had a [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/Todays%20Pix/09028da8.jpg gold plated MP5SD6]. If you google it you can find a few places selling them, with the prices being up to $4,000 for the case not including the gun, with about $2,500 apparently being about the average they go for these days.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:43, 5 April 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ah, O.K. Thanks. I once heard something about camera guns, though. Anyone know anything about them? Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
:Guns with cameras or guns in cameras? [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 07:14, 7 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5 side folding stock? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where do MP5s with the side folding UMP style stock go, MP5A3 section?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:49, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Depends on the trigger group. This one has the SEF, which tells that used to be either an A2 or A3. However, I'm not sure that it would into either category with the UMP stock. I would probably place it in the MP5A3 due to it being more similar to the extending stock than the solid.--[[User:--JazzBlackBelt--|--JazzBlackBelt--]] 20:14, 11 May 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== MP5F? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Firstly the MP5F is such a minor variant of the MP5A5 that I don't think it deserves its own section, and secondly that isn't a picture of an MP5F. The only external differences (the major differences are internal to allow it to fire particularly powerful ammunition) are the double sided front sling loop and the redesigned stock, neither of which are present on this gun. Or am I missing something and the MP5F refers to a different model with the PDW stock?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:48, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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While I cant really tell the difference between the MP5F and MP5A3 here is a [http://www.tscmachine.com/images/HK-MP5Flarge2.jpg picture] of it. [[User:Mr.Ice|Mr.Ice]] 18:54, 11 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== HK SMG series  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The SMG series weapons are totally different to the MP5 series, the only thing they have in commen is that the SMG series '''can''' use regular MP5 mags --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 12:15, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because if you read about the development of the H&amp;amp;K SMG 1 &amp;amp; 2 they are a development from the HK54A1 and that is an atempt to create a product improved MP5. In essence the SMG 1 is an evolutionary firearm between the MP5 series and the UMP series of firearms. We put it in with the MP5 for convenience sake.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 13:21, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Yes I have read about it... still different technology at all --[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 13:35, 16 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Couple Questions about full-auto conversion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A. On a firearm that has been converted from semi-automatic to full-auto, does the safety still work?&lt;br /&gt;
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B. When converting a semi-auto to full-auto, can you control the rate of fire, or is that predetermined by other factors?&lt;br /&gt;
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:A. Yes, the safety should still work after a FA conversion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Both of those statements are based around a theoretical FA conversion. Such conversions are restricted to someone with a SOT license.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 18:33, 25 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== .45 ACP ==&lt;br /&gt;
Why wasn't a version of the MP5 firing this round ever made? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] ([[User talk:Spartan198|talk]]) 18:44, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not enough demand for mass production. Bill Flemming made the first conversions and the now Defunct Special weapons company made both HK94 and SP89 clones in .45ACP. Still they are both rare as hens teeth.[[User:Rockwolf66|Rockwolf66]] ([[User talk:Rockwolf66|talk]]) 19:52, 31 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a .45 MP5. It's called the UMP [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 10:53, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The UMP is not roller locked and I think it uses a different trigger pack design( or at least a modified) + it has a completely different body design and material therefore the UMP is a totally different concept even when it evolved from the PIP (same for the HK SMG series). -[[User:DAN11|DAN11]] ([[User talk:DAN11|talk]]) 18:19, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder why the 10mm MP5 didn't become more popular because of the 10mm's power over other pistol calibers [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] ([[User talk:Excalibur01|talk]]) 23:22, 21 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The FBI hostage rescue team used it but they felt that the recoil was to great for it to be used even in controlled bursts. [[User:Blackguineapig|Blackguineapig]] ([[User talk:Blackguineapig|talk]]) 14:09, 22 January 2013 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Once again, much like in the now-vastly-improved Russian weapons page, feel free to contribute as much as you'd like. The format is all together, and I'll periodically update the page myself, as well. --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:09, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'll add some stuff. In the case of weapons that are used by the SAS/SBS/whatever I would just list them as UKSF as that is the umbrella that they all fall under, and they all use the same pool of specialist weapons. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:23, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I thought about the UKSF thing too. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 19:40, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Massive respect too whoever created this, I've been waiting for something like this for a while! I'll try and contribute as best as I can. @Commando552, something you might wanna add is the H&amp;amp;K MP5A3 and MP5KA1, as used by the SAS/SBS/Royal Marines/Paratroop Regiment. As for out of service, as far as I'm aware, the SAS WERE issued Walther PPKs as a backup, however, I am unsure as to whether this is still in use by them. I know an AR-15 CQB type rifle is in use by the Pathfinder Regiment, Royal Military Police and Army Security Guard Regiments. The MP5KA1 is also used by Infantry drivers and Pilots. Hope this helps. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Just added the SMGs. The problem is that there is not really any documentation about what the special forces use, it is more just what you can see them with in the rare photo or hear about through the grapevine. I believe the PPK is still on the books, although maybe not used, as there have been EFRs (Equipment Failure Reports) sent in for the PPK as recently as 2007, so someone was apparently using it then. As for the CQB AR-15, are you talking about the L119A1 which is a C8 SFW? If so I wasn't aware of the Pathfinders using this, I thought they used a C7 (for some reason i think 300 were bought but have no source for this, the number is just in my head) along with the Royal Marines Brigade Patrol Troop (as seen [http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.operations.mod.uk/veritas/img/veritas/45cdogp/jacana_stonehouse01_hr.jpg here]). They may have switched to the L119A1 by now to standardise (this was originally only used by the SAS/SBS but has been spreading out throughout the services) but a few years ago they still has the C7s. Have also seem them using M16A1s with A2 handguard which I'm assuming migrated over from UKSF. Where did you get the thing about drivers and pilots having MP5KA1s, have never seen or heard anything about that. Also, what do you mean by &amp;quot;Army Security Guard Regiments&amp;quot;?  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 19:05, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So we're not putting the LMT into this? [[User:Excalibur01|Excalibur01]] 20:00, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This page is very far from done (I'm off to bed now so if anyone else wants to try and help finish it of be my guest), but more importantly the L129A1 hasn't appeared in anything yet has it? if not then it shouldn't be on the site so shouldn't be here.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 20:16, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think that if there is a gun used by the British, but doesn't have an Imfdb page, it should be listed here. This is a list of Guns used by the British Armed Forces, not a list of guns ''on Imfdb'' used by British Armed Forces. --[[User:SmithandWesson36|SmithandWesson36]] 21:03, 31 July 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was under the impression that these pages ARE a list of guns used by the British Army that appear on IMFDB as an aid to ID-ing and working out if something is anachronistic/inaccurate. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That's exactly what it is, a list of guns ''on IMFDb'' used by the British Armed Forces. We're a wiki about guns in media, not a general gun encyclopedia. These &amp;quot;firearms used by [insert organization name]&amp;quot; pages are already bleeding toward the latter as is, IMO. If one wants a complete list of all guns used by the Brits, Wikipedia has a template listing as such at the bottom of various pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85]. [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 15:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
@Commando552 Yeah mate, it's not unheard of for UKSF to use the Walther, as I believe it used as a backup. Yeah the L119A1 is what I meant - that sort of weaponry has been used by Pathfinders (to my knowledge) in Afghanistan on patrols, due too compact size (I believe). I cannot speak for the RM, but seeing as the Brigade Patrol Group are a recon regiment (like the Pathfinders) it would make sense, as they favor compact weaponry. As for pilots/drivers, I read somewhere that they had, however after re-reading the same article, they do not, it was just my error of skim reading over the words &amp;quot;pilots&amp;quot;, &amp;quot; infantry drivers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;MP5K&amp;quot;. I do apologize for the confusion on the pilots part, but I do believe they carry a sidearm. In combat, Infantry drivers were known to be issued an MP5 of some sort. I assumed it was the A1 due to the fact it is easy to conceal and easy to draw (due to the sights), in case of contact. The Army Security Guards (Military Provost Guard Service) have been known too use a CQB AR-15 during in VIP close protection, too the best of my knowledge. As for the M16A1s with the A2 handguard, to the best of my knowledge, I cannot recall hearing or seeing any branch of the UK military using it in my time, but I may be wrong.  However, I will double check the info and will get back too you. Apologizes for any confusion. [[User:Fixer|Fixer]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The Pathfinders and BPT were still using the C7 in Afghanistan, there are quite a few photos of it, but my guess is that they may have phased it out now that the L119A1 is becoming more widespread. The only reason they adopted the C7 in the first place is that at the time the L85 was incapable of taking an UGL, so they wanted a rifle they could mount an M203 on. I don't think the MPGS do use the L119A1 as they have no close protection role, that is the Royal Military Police who tend to use the short barrelled version of the L119A1. Now that you say that about the MP5 for drivers and pilots that clicks something in my brain, but I think they actually used the MP5A3 not the MP5K. However this is not the case anymore, with them either using the L22A2 or the L119A1. Also, [http://www.mega-tapety.info/resize/militaria-zolnierze-2560-1920-1706.jpg here] is a photo of a couple of BPT marines, note that the one on the right has an A2 handguard but no brass deflector.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:31, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there a 'Flamethrower' section? To my knowledge, the British Army has-and will never use-flamethrowers. It's just not the done thing. Alasdair.&lt;br /&gt;
* They did use the [[No. 2 Portable Flamethrower]] during WW2 --[[User:Crackshot|Crackshot]] 07:28, 01 August 2012 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Flamethrower in this context also refers to any rocket-based incendiary weapon (i.e. the US FLASH launcher). --[[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 07:44, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This might only be my imagination but i thought the Accuracy International AW was named L96?&lt;br /&gt;
:Almost. The L96A1 is the Accuracy International PM. The Arctic Warfare is the L118A1.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 03:05, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::There is  A LOT of confusion about the L96 designation, mainly because in some sources the Army gets it wrong. In some places they incorrectly call the L118A1 the L96A1, so they then work backwards to say that the original PM was just the L96, despite the fact that this isn't how British designations work, always having an A1 at the end.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 04:11, 1 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L22A1/A2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The version of the L22 that is currently issued is actually referred to as the A2 variant, despite what the L85 page says. It has the &amp;quot;HK A2&amp;quot; markings on it, and MOD documents refer to it as the L22A2. I think part of the confusion is the fact that the receiver markings are A1 as they are built from scavenged L86A1 receivers. I think the L22 prototype is now retroactively refereed to as the L22A1, although it was not called this at the time.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 03:40, 2 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm relatively sure it is issued as the L22A1 as they are still the first version adopted and have not been upgraded as they were adopted post h&amp;amp;k upgrades off the SA80 family. [[User:Blackguinepig|Blackguinepig]] ([[User talk:Blackguinepig|talk]]) 15:48, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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That is logical from one perspective, but like I said above, that is what it is referred to as in MOD documents, and A2 is stamped on the weapon. You could argue that it is the second version of the weapon as it is a modified version of the earlier AFV variant, which has retroactively been referred to as the L22A1 in MOD documentation despite the fat that it never had this designation in service.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 16:58, 16 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OK, I think I may have stuffed things a bit with the minigun entry, since searching http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk for &amp;quot;minigun&amp;quot; shows both GAU-17s and M134s with DA flashhiders. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I wouldn't worry too much about it, there is a random mix of miniguns used by the RAF and RN. As far as I have seen, the majority have a 2 flange barrel clam with either a solid or slotted flash hider, whilst some have a 4 flange clamp with slotted flash hider (like the GAU-17/A). The two flange with the solid flash hider would be a Dillon, but don't know what the 2 flange with the slotted flash hider would be. Not sure, but i think this may be a Dillon as well, as I believe the early Dillon barrel clamps had the slots before they decided it was more effective without them.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 18:37, 3 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This just in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm currently scrambling to find verifiable sources for all this but apparently the Glock 17 Generation 4 with an added manual safety has been adopted to formally replace the L9A1. At the moment the only source I have is [http://www.arrse.co.uk/weapons-equipment-rations/186621-new-service-pistol.html this one], which is of questionable veracity until I see anything official. Thoughts? [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 06:43, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/09/17/dsei-09-glock-17-with-thumb-safety/ this] is the gun in question (this is a 3rd gen but shows the safety), was put forward a few years ago but wasn't adopted and the MOD continued to buy SIGs. However I think this is now a monetary issue, with the MOD wanting a larger number of soldiers to be carrying a pistol and the Glock being probably less than half the price of a SIG. I would prefer them to keep the SIG as I prefer the trigger and the general feel of a SIG, but I can understand them going with the Glock 17 with this manual safety as it has pretty much the same position as the safety on the SA80 guns, and is also probably more idiot proof than a SA/DA gun with a decocker, which is a plus when you are looking for a gun which will be more widely issued.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:38, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Although looking back through the thread I think the Glock submitted for the trails in question didn't have the extra safety, which would bring the cost down a bit more. Plus the SIG was only a UOR anyway.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 08:44, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20978842 BBC article] I read implied that it did not have a manual safety. --[[User:Funkychinaman|Funkychinaman]] ([[User talk:Funkychinaman|talk]]) 10:50, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn't; it's just a vanilla GEN4. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 13:01, 11 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
OK, it's apparently official now; there's an item on the Defence Imagery database's News section about it. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 09:56, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Anyone know what the [http://www.defenceimagery.mod.uk/fotoweb/cmdrequest/rest/preview.fwx/Emb_DES-2013-003-0184.jpg?rt=1&amp;amp;f=A81D8793137680C0E66D08E8E606BD1F11732CAD1490F960D1DA871986B1F9663B985DAF6425EE16CAAA2B3AA2B030D852712EB1B11DAC16E9CD46A292732506240FA4CE69847E5B34196B04A1F6CBBB4B67DD2723BC6E1EF145AC4CF1573623EDE94D9F55FA41C813CFAEC8028BE23AD12AE2727DF5726C8DCB6D4024767B9FC80341BDCE70AD62984BAEAB73CEFE374FDB59CC67824D637AEB4353BDBF4FD2145CBFD6B2DE5B3B3FF976452C66399A690F5F5799113910ACC3C46898BFD744&amp;amp;sz=1024 new holster] is, I don't recognise it (apparently it is Italian but that is all I could find). It looks really bulky, so I'm assuming there must be something special about it otherwise it is a very odd design. My random guess is that that is actually a button at the top of the holster which you press to rotate it or something. I personally would have preferred the Army officially adopted the P226, but am glad they are getting something as I have heard the current UOR P226s have been used to death (particularly the magazines, as because it was an UOR they ended up with OTS mags rather than milspec so they are pretty much all buggered at this point).&lt;br /&gt;
::My first thought was Blackhawk since it looks pretty SERPA-ish. But it's not.[[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 12:44, 10 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, if [http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/brits-replace-brownings-with-glock-17-gen4/ this source] is to be believed it is a Blackhawk holster. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] ([[User talk:The Wierd It|talk]]) 14:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Finally found the bastard, I went to Viking Arms list of suppliers and eventually found it on the [http://www.radar1957.com/en/innovation-zone/automatic-security-systems/LEP-System.php?m=8&amp;amp;sx=152 Radar] site. Never heard of them, but it is Italian so it fits the bill. It is their LEP holster which means &amp;quot;Lock-on Ejection Port&amp;quot;, meaning that the pistol is retained by a piece that engages with the ejection port on the slide. It seems like an awful lot of bulk to add along the top of the pistol just to have it not lock on the trigger guard in my opinion. My guess is that this is for durability reasons, as with the Glock trigger guard being polymer it would probably be more susceptible from wear from repeated holstering and drawing.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] ([[User talk:Commando552|talk]]) 17:10, 13 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarification ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just to clarify, does the British military use the standard AW50 rifle, or the AW50F? I was just curious, and I couldn't find good information. [[User:Dirty Harold|Dirty Harold]] 09:15, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is the AW50F. Have changed the &amp;quot;Used by&amp;quot; from UKSF to all branches, as it is used by all branches in an EOD capacity (such as [http://army-uk.com/news_detail.php?id=1652 Royal Navy clearance divers]), along with UKSF for long range sniping. Although only officially adopted in 2008, it had been used for a while by UKSF. There is a part of a biographical book called ''Sniper One'' written by Sgt. Dan Mills about hios time in Iraq in 2004 where his sniper unit is supported by a &amp;quot;Royal Marine&amp;quot; (although he is clearly actually special forces) sniper who in pictures in the book is using an AW50F.--[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 08:56, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, [http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/07/sniper-with-holographic-sight/ here] is a nice shot of A Royal Marine aerial sniper using one in an anti-piracy role with an EOTech sight showing that it is an AW50F.  --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 09:01, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== L129A1 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Don't forget the new &amp;quot;Sharpshooter&amp;quot; L129A1 sniper rifle that got put into active duty last year.&lt;br /&gt;
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We did have it in here, but since neither it nor the LM7 has appeared in anything fictional it got taken down again. [[User:The Wierd It|The Wierd It]] 13:18, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you were going to make these pages so that they included every gun used rather than just the guns that appear in media, we would have to be adding hundreds of new pages for essentially no reason. Also, there are a large number of guns that have been used by certain militaries that it is near impossible to get a good picture of, as they have never been use by anyone but the miitary in question. For example, there was a custom made version of the P226 known as the P226K that was made in the 90s that had a full length grip with a shortened slide which was designated as the L106A1, but I dare you to find a picture of it to put it on here. --[[User:Commando552|commando552]] 16:48, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also please don't link to world.guns, Max doesn't screen his ads for malicious java and the site is a digital plague pit. [[User:Evil Tim|Evil Tim]] 17:10, 26 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As if his bad grammar and words constantly bleeding together aren't bad enough? [[User:Spartan198|Spartan198]] 04:37, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Well, he ''is'' Russian.  [[User:Jeddostotle7|Jeddostotle7]] 09:11, 27 August 2012 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Enfield EM-2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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